1 2010-09-24 01:33:42 <Edogaa> I has 150 bitcoins =D
  2 2010-09-24 01:55:27 <bitbot> Insert coins here -> 1C8nEDn3H1PRw6vF3HSKyPjYwfxSJ8L5Yi
  3 2010-09-24 01:55:48 <necro> bitbot: Coin-operated bot?
  4 2010-09-24 02:40:32 <Kiba> hello bitcoiners
  5 2010-09-24 02:42:16 <Kiba> sleepy bitcoiners
  6 2010-09-24 02:44:14 <necro> ..zzZZzz..
  7 2010-09-24 02:46:22 <Kiba> anyway
  8 2010-09-24 02:46:35 <Kiba> my niche list thread is suprisingly unpopular
  9 2010-09-24 02:46:43 <Kiba> and nobody has commited themsleves to a niche yet
 10 2010-09-24 03:01:08 <eureka^> bowflex
 11 2010-09-24 03:01:59 <Netsniper> i would have never thought of using a bowflex for autoerotic asphixiation
 12 2010-09-24 03:02:13 <eureka^> sorry, amsg :p
 13 2010-09-24 03:02:17 <eureka^> by accident
 14 2010-09-24 03:02:51 <Netsniper> well it was on topic
 15 2010-09-24 03:02:54 <Netsniper> so...
 16 2010-09-24 03:03:04 <eureka^> ;)
 17 2010-09-24 03:03:13 <Netsniper> :)
 18 2010-09-24 03:14:58 <Kiba> 500 dollars on the line for the bitcoin economy
 19 2010-09-24 03:15:02 <Kiba> make it grow, people!
 20 2010-09-24 03:17:11 <Netsniper> i'm witholding my bitcoins from the market until the prices improve :P
 21 2010-09-24 03:19:45 <Kiba> and I am busy with a project too
 22 2010-09-24 03:20:16 <Kiba> my own bitcoin project that is.
 23 2010-09-24 05:35:52 <bitbot> lfm: CurrentBlockCount( 81,670 blocks ) CurrentDifficulty( 917.8309374400 ) NextDifficultyAt( 82,656 blocks ) NextDifficultyIn( 986 blocks )
 24 2010-09-24 05:35:52 <lfm> ;nr
 25 2010-09-24 05:35:59 <lfm> ;estimate
 26 2010-09-24 05:36:00 <bitbot> lfm: LastDiff(5d 05:30:11 ago)  ExpBlocks(753)  ActualBlocks(1030)  TrgNewDiffDate(2010/10/03 02:04:07 GMT)  EstNewDiffDate(2010/09/29 07:42:48 GMT)  EstNewDiff(1255.46595692)
 27 2010-09-24 09:30:35 <keith4> oh jeez. new difficulty estimate of 1255?~
 28 2010-09-24 09:31:11 <Diablo-D3> well
 29 2010-09-24 09:31:14 <Diablo-D3> I give up
 30 2010-09-24 09:34:48 <Edogaa> giveu p?
 31 2010-09-24 09:37:00 <bonsaikitten> never gonna give you up!
 32 2010-09-24 09:55:33 <UukGoblin> yup, I stop generating too if the price doesn't change
 33 2010-09-24 10:43:09 <intgr> Was it "singularity" or something?
 34 2010-09-24 10:45:03 <intgr> Oops wrong channel
 35 2010-09-24 13:10:58 <mizerydearia> Lawlz!! Google Maps now shows "Kayak across the Pacific Ocean" similarly as it did years ago with "swim across the Pacific Ocean"
 36 2010-09-24 13:11:30 <UukGoblin> yeah ;-)
 37 2010-09-24 13:11:40 <UukGoblin> try googling for 'anagram'
 38 2010-09-24 13:12:38 <UukGoblin> it also used to find an interesting walking route from london to edinburgh... went via dover, france, denmark, and back to uk, taking ferries
 39 2010-09-24 13:13:23 <UukGoblin> yup, still does it, maybe excluding denmark this time
 40 2010-09-24 15:26:21 <jgarzik> anybody got bitcoins?
 41 2010-09-24 15:26:32 <jgarzik> somebody's on bitcoinmarket, selling them for more than mtgox
 42 2010-09-24 15:26:42 <jgarzik> easy arbitrage opportunity for someone with 5900 BTC
 43 2010-09-24 15:37:17 <idev> Hello there, how would i go about installing bitcoin on my hosting?
 44 2010-09-24 15:39:10 <jgarzik> idev: pretty much "unpack tarball and run", it's easy.
 45 2010-09-24 15:39:34 <jgarzik> idev: bitcoind uses ~/.bitcoin to store data.  it will take ~30 min to download all ~80000 existing blocks.
 46 2010-09-24 15:41:19 <idev> @ jgarzik where would i put it on my server, and how do i run it?
 47 2010-09-24 15:41:53 <jgarzik> idev: windows or linux?
 48 2010-09-24 15:42:02 <idev> linux
 49 2010-09-24 15:43:20 <mizerydearia> idev: Which distro?
 50 2010-09-24 15:43:30 <jgarzik> idev: there aren't any packages for it, so you put it whereever you please.  ~/bitcoin is fine.  I run mine like this: nohup nice -n19 /path/to/bitcoind -gen -server
 51 2010-09-24 15:43:54 <jgarzik> idev: it will create and use ~/.bitcoin
 52 2010-09-24 15:44:13 <jgarzik> idev: if you are an uber-sysadmin, give it its own user account
 53 2010-09-24 15:44:46 <idev> no its a shared hosting but i have ssh access
 54 2010-09-24 15:45:18 <idev> but im not really clued up on all commands and such
 55 2010-09-24 15:46:34 <idev> as i always tend to shy away for these type of installs as i don't really know how to do it
 56 2010-09-24 17:02:34 <porcupine> yeah right! http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Casual-Gaming-Zynga-Facebook-FarmVille-FrontierVille,news-8096.html
 57 2010-09-24 17:14:20 <mouse> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Message_From_Xenu/Bitcoin
 58 2010-09-24 17:14:48 <mouse> I guess that's where the Bitcoin article at wikipedia is and can still be updated
 59 2010-09-24 18:03:26 <Keefe> hey! :X
 60 2010-09-24 18:03:48 <Keefe> i put in an order at mtgox to sell 90 btc for 0.06216
 61 2010-09-24 18:04:02 <Keefe> and it sold 50 for 0.0621599
 62 2010-09-24 18:04:39 <Keefe> i know, the amount is totally insignificant, but what if i were selling 100000 and cared about that tiny bit
 63 2010-09-24 18:07:36 <Keefe> i was intentionally placing my ask just a tiny bit above the best bid (0.0621599) so it wouldn't actually sell right away
 64 2010-09-24 18:09:41 <mizerydearia> mm, interesting
 65 2010-09-24 18:14:06 <mizerydearia> It appears bitbot has infected gribble and gribble also does things twice as noticeable in #bitcoin-market
 66 2010-09-24 18:16:00 <Keefe> does mtgox have a public data feed?
 67 2010-09-24 18:17:32 <Keefe> grr, i can't shake off this someone who keeps changing their ask everytime i change mine, always a bit lower than mine, lol
 68 2010-09-24 18:18:10 <mizerydearia> Keefe, That would be a bot ^_^
 69 2010-09-24 18:18:11 <jgarzik> Keefe: not AFAIK.  you gotta poll their market info JSON.
 70 2010-09-24 18:18:21 <jgarzik> Keefe: nothing 'push' or real-time
 71 2010-09-24 18:18:27 <Keefe> that's sufficient. i'll check it out
 72 2010-09-24 18:18:59 <Keefe> miz: i figured as much except it's smart enough to not let me drive it into the bids :(
 73 2010-09-24 18:19:11 <mizerydearia> Bots are smart too, look at bitbot
 74 2010-09-24 18:19:27 <bitbot> miz: Who's a bot? You are! Not me.. You!
 75 2010-09-24 18:38:15 <Keefe> mizerydearia, how often does nullvoid poll mtgox's json?
 76 2010-09-24 18:38:30 <mizerydearia> every 200 femtoseconds
 77 2010-09-24 18:39:06 <mizerydearia> 60 seconds
 78 2010-09-24 18:46:34 <Kiba> I created a list of niches for people to occupy
 79 2010-09-24 18:46:38 <Kiba> n0body is occupying
 80 2010-09-24 18:46:54 <Diablo-D3> bitcoin is popular now
 81 2010-09-24 18:46:56 <Diablo-D3> so whats the point
 82 2010-09-24 18:50:10 <Kiba> what a sleepy channel
 83 2010-09-24 18:50:14 <Zarutian> popular how?
 84 2010-09-24 18:50:15 <Kiba> only keefe and mizerydearia talked
 85 2010-09-24 18:50:32 <Diablo-D3> Zarutian: IM GLAD YOU ASKED
 86 2010-09-24 18:50:35 <Diablo-D3> kiba didnt take the bait :<
 87 2010-09-24 18:50:51 <Diablo-D3> its popular now in the sense that I cant gen coins anymore
 88 2010-09-24 18:51:01 <mizerydearia> Zarutian, http://is.gd/fr7NT
 89 2010-09-24 18:51:49 <Zarutian> Diablo-D3: You mean you cant generate coins _cheaply_ anymore
 90 2010-09-24 18:52:01 <mizerydearia> quickly
 91 2010-09-24 18:52:31 <Diablo-D3> at all, actually
 92 2010-09-24 18:52:43 <Diablo-D3> I think I've been genning for 3 weeks straight and no coins
 93 2010-09-24 18:55:24 <diven> I did a block on one of my slower nodes this week
 94 2010-09-24 18:55:39 <diven> but before that the last one was on the 15th
 95 2010-09-24 18:56:24 <Zarutian> hmm.. if blocks were generated at a higher rate for fewer coins each then how could the gossip about new blocks be better distributed?
 96 2010-09-24 18:57:23 <Kiba> growing the bitcoin economy is like a really long marathon
 97 2010-09-24 19:00:11 <Diablo-D3> Zarutian: well, see, I said this
 98 2010-09-24 19:00:20 <Diablo-D3> say, gen blocks 50 times faster, but each block is a single coin
 99 2010-09-24 19:00:48 <Diablo-D3> but I said this back before bitcoin was popular
100 2010-09-24 19:01:05 <Diablo-D3> so, as usual, it takes MONTHS for people to realize Im right
101 2010-09-24 19:01:40 <Zarutian> I am mainly thinking about why it was set so slow. The blocks arent that big are they?
102 2010-09-24 19:01:52 <Diablo-D3> its slow because of enforced limit.
103 2010-09-24 19:02:02 <Kiba> concerned about bitcoin usability?
104 2010-09-24 19:02:13 <Kiba> just delegate the problem to someone else, like a web service
105 2010-09-24 19:02:17 <Diablo-D3> Zarutian: we get a new block on the chain every 10 minutes
106 2010-09-24 19:02:29 <Diablo-D3> Zarutian: difficulty is adjusted to maintain this
107 2010-09-24 19:02:31 <niekie> On average.
108 2010-09-24 19:02:32 <niekie> ;)
109 2010-09-24 19:03:05 <Kiba> advanced users probably don't care, newbies and grandma stick to web services
110 2010-09-24 19:03:11 <Zarutian> Kiba: yep and I am impatient to wait 200 minutes for 20 confirmations
111 2010-09-24 19:03:28 <Diablo-D3> if we changed it to, say, once a minute, and then caused a new winning block to gen 5 coins, nothing would change
112 2010-09-24 19:03:36 <Diablo-D3> except for the fact people participating wouldnt get fucked in the ass so hard
113 2010-09-24 19:03:55 <Kiba> lot of usability problem, not going to disappear overnight
114 2010-09-24 19:04:07 <Kiba> like I say, the effort is a long marathon
115 2010-09-24 19:04:14 <Zarutian> Kiba: so better start sooner at chipping at them
116 2010-09-24 19:04:28 <Diablo-D3> now
117 2010-09-24 19:04:28 <Kiba> Zarutian: I am chipping away at bitpredict
118 2010-09-24 19:04:40 <Diablo-D3> we should look at the credit card terminal problem
119 2010-09-24 19:04:46 <Diablo-D3> a new block should gen once a second
120 2010-09-24 19:04:59 <Diablo-D3> confirmations could be done under 30 seconds
121 2010-09-24 19:05:46 <Zarutian> proplem: massive traffic just for "ye heard of block #####?"
122 2010-09-24 19:06:08 <Diablo-D3> not an issue
123 2010-09-24 19:06:15 <Diablo-D3> we use, effectively, zero traffic now
124 2010-09-24 19:09:20 <Zarutian> ; pop
125 2010-09-24 19:09:27 <Zarutian> ; population
126 2010-09-24 19:09:52 <Kiba> Zarutian: what are you working on as far as bitcoin is concerned?
127 2010-09-24 19:11:11 <Zarutian> single item-type vending machine, still at the preliminary design stage, but I do know people wont want to stick around while the thing confirms
128 2010-09-24 19:11:39 <Kiba> where are you going to find concentrated bitcoin users?
129 2010-09-24 19:12:19 <Zarutian> more thinking of it as an additional payment method besides the usual coinage
130 2010-09-24 19:12:34 <Kiba> Good luck with that
131 2010-09-24 19:12:48 <Kiba> brick and mortar business are for later stage of the bitcoin economy
132 2010-09-24 19:13:16 <Kiba> your is going into play when bitcoin is pretty much viable as a currency
133 2010-09-24 19:13:51 <Kiba> if the bitcoin growing effort actually succeed
134 2010-09-24 19:13:56 <Zarutian> better be prepared then
135 2010-09-24 19:14:11 <Kiba> well, I am not as optimistic as you are
136 2010-09-24 19:14:37 <Zarutian> It is easier to invent the future than to predict it.
137 2010-09-24 19:15:12 <Kiba> I am not optimistic enough to build something reserved for future
138 2010-09-24 19:15:31 <Kiba> I am trying to build the foundation so it is possible for your stuff to come into play
139 2010-09-24 19:16:08 <Zarutian> so, what is missing from the foundation?
140 2010-09-24 19:16:27 <Kiba> just goods and services
141 2010-09-24 19:16:46 <Kiba> the easiest stuff to build are web application
142 2010-09-24 19:16:48 <Kiba> so I am doing that.
143 2010-09-24 19:17:36 <Zarutian> what kind of webapps?
144 2010-09-24 19:17:57 <Kiba> simple one
145 2010-09-24 19:18:24 <Kiba> like bitpredict, just a site to trade on predictions and bets
146 2010-09-24 19:18:27 <Kiba> CRUD
147 2010-09-24 19:18:43 <Zarutian> got a url to the bitpredict?
148 2010-09-24 19:18:49 <Kiba> nothing there
149 2010-09-24 19:20:40 <Kiba> http://github.com/kiba/bitpredict
150 2010-09-24 19:20:43 <Kiba> it's in code though
151 2010-09-24 21:05:44 <second> hi
152 2010-09-24 21:19:08 <bitbot> LobsterMan: CurrentBlockCount( 81,830 blocks ) CurrentDifficulty( 917.8309374400 ) NextDifficultyAt( 82,656 blocks ) NextDifficultyIn( 826 blocks )
153 2010-09-24 21:19:08 <LobsterMan> ;nr
154 2010-09-24 21:19:09 <LobsterMan> hi
155 2010-09-24 21:30:01 <bsmith093> i have really low block download speeds ( i just found this thing) and i was wondering how many blocks are there to download?
156 2010-09-24 21:30:18 <bsmith093> i have only 8 connections
157 2010-09-24 21:31:19 <bsmith093> 1650 khash/s is that fast?
158 2010-09-24 21:31:28 <Diablo-D3> its kinda slow
159 2010-09-24 21:31:43 <Diablo-D3> my c2d e8500 @ 3.16ghz does around 3000
160 2010-09-24 21:31:59 <bsmith093> could it be bc im on a wlan
161 2010-09-24 21:32:26 <bsmith093> how long will it take before i can generate my own?
162 2010-09-24 21:33:48 <Diablo-D3> oh, probably never.
163 2010-09-24 21:34:16 <Diablo-D3> infact, it will probably be in early 2013.
164 2010-09-24 21:34:52 <bsmith093> why so long
165 2010-09-24 21:36:30 <Diablo-D3> end of the world has to happen first
166 2010-09-24 21:39:14 <Keefe> bsmith093, it should take an hour or two to download the current block chain
167 2010-09-24 21:39:29 <bsmith093> ok well i have 12000 blocks currently how many are there to download
168 2010-09-24 21:40:01 <Keefe> ~81K
169 2010-09-24 21:40:09 <Keefe> ;nr
170 2010-09-24 21:40:12 <bitbot> Keefe: CurrentBlockCount( 81,832 blocks ) CurrentDifficulty( 917.8309374400 ) NextDifficultyAt( 82,656 blocks ) NextDifficultyIn( 824 blocks )
171 2010-09-24 21:41:11 <Keefe> ;khps
172 2010-09-24 21:41:14 <Keefe> ;khps 1650
173 2010-09-24 21:41:20 <Keefe> ;hps 1650
174 2010-09-24 21:42:26 <Keefe> at the current difficulty, your computer should find a block about once every 4 weeks
175 2010-09-24 21:42:49 <Keefe> could find one in the next minute, could search for a year and never find one
176 2010-09-24 21:42:57 <bsmith093> isnt that really really really slow?
177 2010-09-24 21:43:01 <Keefe> but on average, once per 4 weeks
178 2010-09-24 21:43:15 <Keefe> that's typical for a average cpu
179 2010-09-24 21:43:29 <bsmith093> what do the  difficulty stats mean?
180 2010-09-24 21:43:29 <Keefe> my C2D 2ghz does 1700 khps
181 2010-09-24 21:44:05 <Keefe> the higher the difficulty factor, the more sparse winning numbers are
182 2010-09-24 21:44:45 <Keefe> at diff=917, it's about 1 in 4 trillion
183 2010-09-24 21:45:01 <Keefe> your cpu is able to check 1650000 in a second
184 2010-09-24 21:45:12 <Diablo-D3> [07:43:29] <Keefe> my C2D 2ghz does 1700 khps
185 2010-09-24 21:45:14 <Diablo-D3> sounds about right
186 2010-09-24 21:45:19 <Diablo-D3> lets say thats 2000
187 2010-09-24 21:45:25 <Diablo-D3> my c2d 3ghz does 3000