1 2010-11-16 00:02:35 <Diablo-D3> http://www.reddit.com/r/Economics/comments/e6app/eff_begins_accepting_disruptive_new_p2p_currency/
  2 2010-11-16 00:02:37 <Diablo-D3> 99
  3 2010-11-16 00:02:51 <alystair> wait... what.
  4 2010-11-16 00:05:47 <Kiba> MEDIA storm
  5 2010-11-16 00:17:46 <brucewagner> hey
  6 2010-11-16 00:19:20 <jgarzik> hay
  7 2010-11-16 00:21:25 <Kiba> hello
  8 2010-11-16 00:22:01 <Kiba> look like that bitcoin article kick up a media storm
  9 2010-11-16 00:23:03 <Kiba> but the job is not done
 10 2010-11-16 00:23:08 <Kiba> especially with the people at the CCC
 11 2010-11-16 00:23:55 <jgarzik> Kiba: which bitcoin article?  which media storm?  :)
 12 2010-11-16 00:24:50 <Kiba> bitcoin blogger article
 13 2010-11-16 00:26:26 <hadronzoo> Is bitcoin compatible with FileVault? Whenever I run it, it brings my machine to its knees
 14 2010-11-16 00:27:00 <Kiba> what is filevault?
 15 2010-11-16 00:27:25 <hadronzoo> It's OS X's account encryption system
 16 2010-11-16 00:27:48 <jgarzik> hadronzoo: define "brings to its knees"
 17 2010-11-16 00:28:04 <jgarzik> hadronzoo: bitcoin generation will max out your CPU, sure
 18 2010-11-16 00:28:33 <hadronzoo> jgarzik: I'm not generating. It's accessing the disk excessively.
 19 2010-11-16 00:28:42 <jgarzik> hadronzoo: all blocks downloaded?
 20 2010-11-16 00:28:52 <hadronzoo> Essentially, everything I run pauses every 5 seconds or so
 21 2010-11-16 00:29:13 <hadronzoo> They were all downloaded, now it won't download anymore (even though I can connect to 50 peers)
 22 2010-11-16 00:29:23 <jgarzik> hadronzoo: probably the database sync'ing to disk.
 23 2010-11-16 00:29:39 <hadronzoo> Is the debug log turned on by default?
 24 2010-11-16 00:29:43 <jgarzik> yes
 25 2010-11-16 00:29:50 <jgarzik> but that's not sync'd to disk
 26 2010-11-16 00:30:03 <jgarzik> does OS X flush dirty writes to disk every 5 seconds?
 27 2010-11-16 00:30:04 <hadronzoo> That's probably it then. It's flushing after every write, right??
 28 2010-11-16 00:30:10 <jgarzik> not the log, no.
 29 2010-11-16 00:30:21 <jgarzik> not the debug log, no.
 30 2010-11-16 00:30:25 <jgarzik> database log, yes.
 31 2010-11-16 00:30:56 <jgarzik> if your OS's filesystem has a journal, then that journal is sync'ing to disk even if an app does not
 32 2010-11-16 00:31:09 <hadronzoo> I see. Each flush incurs CPU overhead, although running my Windows 7 VM is less intensive than Bitcoin
 33 2010-11-16 00:31:48 <hadronzoo> I've read in the forums that others were unable to use Bitcoin with Filevault
 34 2010-11-16 00:31:52 <jgarzik> sure.  makes sense with encryption.
 35 2010-11-16 00:32:23 <hadronzoo> Is there any fix to the excessive flushing (even if it has some risk)?
 36 2010-11-16 00:34:55 <jgarzik> hadronzoo: it's your OS not bitcoin
 37 2010-11-16 00:35:14 <jgarzik> hadronzoo: you could try symlinking the debug log on a non-encrypted devices
 38 2010-11-16 00:35:16 <jgarzik> device
 39 2010-11-16 00:35:51 <jgarzik> it's silly to encrypt tons of debug data and public block data.  you only need to encrypt wallet.dat.
 40 2010-11-16 00:36:13 <hadronzoo> jgarzik: My entire home directory is encrypted. That's what OS X does by default
 41 2010-11-16 00:36:53 <hadronzoo> jgarzik: From MATLAB to GPG to VMWare, nothing grinds like Bitcoin
 42 2010-11-16 00:37:16 <brocktice> Hm, I never saw problems like that from FileVault, but then I wasn't running bitcoin.
 43 2010-11-16 00:37:39 <brocktice> hadronzoo: you turned off bitcoin generation, right?
 44 2010-11-16 00:37:45 <brocktice> oh I see you said that.
 45 2010-11-16 00:37:46 <brocktice> nm
 46 2010-11-16 00:37:49 <hadronzoo> brocktice: right, FileVault has run great for me for years without any problems
 47 2010-11-16 00:37:59 <jgarzik> hadronzoo: none of those other apps drop large debug and database turds in your home directory
 48 2010-11-16 00:38:38 <hadronzoo> jgarzik: Is there a setting to set the flush interval? I can compile if needed.
 49 2010-11-16 00:40:02 <jgarzik> hadronzoo: the flush interval is in your OS
 50 2010-11-16 00:40:17 <jgarzik> hadronzoo: so you have to answer that question yourself
 51 2010-11-16 00:40:54 <Kiba> so, people...
 52 2010-11-16 00:41:21 <hadronzoo> jgarzik: Most apps built atop BDB (like Voldemort) give you a tuning parameter to set the flush interval
 53 2010-11-16 00:41:52 <jgarzik> hadronzoo: the debug log is a text file outside of berkeley db
 54 2010-11-16 00:42:01 <hadronzoo> jgarzik: Writes are cached in memory and then flushed asynchronously to prevent things from slowing down
 55 2010-11-16 00:42:01 <ne0futur> alystair: hosting, domain names, server admin, seo and more
 56 2010-11-16 00:42:27 <hadronzoo> jgarzik: Oh, so you think it's the debug log that's the problem, not BDB?
 57 2010-11-16 00:43:09 <jgarzik> hadronzoo: BDB flushes with each database transaction, not every 5 seconds.
 58 2010-11-16 00:43:23 <jgarzik> hadronzoo: that generates lots of little disk blips
 59 2010-11-16 00:43:42 <jgarzik> not one big one, at regular intervals
 60 2010-11-16 00:44:27 <gavinandresen> hadronzoo: known bug.... workaround is to link ~/Library/Application Support/Bitcoin/debug.log to /dev/null
 61 2010-11-16 00:44:28 <brocktice> Kiba: yes?
 62 2010-11-16 00:44:35 <jgarzik> writing out the debug log calls for your system to do a lot of encryption work
 63 2010-11-16 00:44:42 <jgarzik> thus working both CPU and disk
 64 2010-11-16 00:44:42 <Kiba> brocktice: nothing to say...
 65 2010-11-16 00:44:56 <gavinandresen> It is the constant opening and closing of the debug.log that makes FileValue unhappy.
 66 2010-11-16 00:45:04 <hadronzoo> gavinandresen: Perfect, so it is the debug log. Thanks! I'll try this now...
 67 2010-11-16 00:45:54 <brocktice> Kiba: Oh, sounded like you were trying to redirect the conversation somewhere.
 68 2010-11-16 00:46:01 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: that seems rather silly.  as long as data passes through write(2), it's likely there, even if the app crashes
 69 2010-11-16 00:46:17 <Kiba> well, I am thinking that we need more goods and services that accept bitcoins
 70 2010-11-16 00:46:20 <jgarzik> you're only scrogged if the entire computer dies
 71 2010-11-16 00:46:22 <Kiba> not in a half-heartly way
 72 2010-11-16 00:46:31 <brocktice> Kiba: I think most people are thinking that.
 73 2010-11-16 00:46:40 <Kiba> but are they building anything?
 74 2010-11-16 00:46:50 <brocktice> yeah, some people are
 75 2010-11-16 00:47:27 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: yeah.... convenient if you're rotating debug.log, though....  (should probably just close/re-open every ten minutes, or not write so much stuff if not -debug )
 76 2010-11-16 00:47:49 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: or, in Unix/OSX, upon SIGHUP
 77 2010-11-16 00:47:51 <Kiba> brocktice: well, it's sure a slow process
 78 2010-11-16 00:48:09 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: that's the standard...
 79 2010-11-16 00:48:47 <gavinandresen> Too bad bitcoin has to run on PCs, too......
 80 2010-11-16 00:48:58 <gavinandresen> (do PCs do SIGHUP?)
 81 2010-11-16 00:49:26 <brocktice> Kiba: patience, it's speeding up
 82 2010-11-16 00:49:43 <hadronzoo> gavinandresen: What a difference. Thanks! it's usable now
 83 2010-11-16 00:49:53 <hadronzoo> I appreciate everyone's help
 84 2010-11-16 00:49:59 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: Windows has some idea of signals, but quite different from *nix
 85 2010-11-16 00:50:11 <gavinandresen> hadronzoo: great!  You're the second person to run into this, I'll make sure it gets fixed.
 86 2010-11-16 00:50:41 <hadronzoo> gavinandresen: cool
 87 2010-11-16 00:52:38 <hadronzoo> It's taking 1 second instead of 1 minute to process a block!
 88 2010-11-16 00:53:00 <hadronzoo> This is like night and day
 89 2010-11-16 01:00:19 <brocktice> Kiba: What's the most important thing, you think?
 90 2010-11-16 01:00:33 <brocktice> Doesn't the bitcoin mutual support thingie exist for this?
 91 2010-11-16 01:00:37 <brocktice> Oh yeah, I need to join that...
 92 2010-11-16 01:00:46 <Kiba> brocktice: surviving against government faggots
 93 2010-11-16 01:01:06 <brocktice> Kiba: I mean, in terms of enabling more goods and services
 94 2010-11-16 01:01:33 <Kiba> building goods and services
 95 2010-11-16 01:03:27 <brocktice> Kiba: Did you see someone's got a Project Daemon on five grinder?
 96 2010-11-16 01:03:34 <Kiba> no
 97 2010-11-16 01:04:02 <Diablo-D3> english?
 98 2010-11-16 01:04:36 <Kiba> I didn't see anything until I visit the site just now
 99 2010-11-16 01:04:40 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: Did you read Daemon?
100 2010-11-16 01:06:40 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: no?
101 2010-11-16 01:07:20 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: Oh, well, it's a long story, but the premise is that this master MMORPG developer builds this insidious daemon that installs itself on computers all over the world.
102 2010-11-16 01:07:39 <brocktice> Then when he dies of cancer, it's triggered by watching the news feeds and starts to act on its own.
103 2010-11-16 01:08:12 <brocktice> It basically turns the real world into a MMORPG, including giving people tech-based powers based on their completing quests to help the network, etc.
104 2010-11-16 01:08:25 <brocktice> The sequel is Freedom(TM)
105 2010-11-16 01:08:35 <Diablo-D3> who wrote it?
106 2010-11-16 01:08:48 <brocktice> Daniel Suarez
107 2010-11-16 01:08:54 <brocktice> Apparently a tech consultant of some kind.
108 2010-11-16 01:10:30 <anarchyx> amazon europe just died for 5 mins.. its back
109 2010-11-16 01:10:38 <Diablo-D3> http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap100906.html
110 2010-11-16 01:10:41 <Diablo-D3> I find this greatly amusing
111 2010-11-16 01:10:48 <Diablo-D3> see the milky way there?
112 2010-11-16 01:10:59 <Diablo-D3> I have the milky way as my desktop background
113 2010-11-16 01:11:04 <Diablo-D3> and it looks just like that
114 2010-11-16 01:12:18 <gavinandresen> brocktice:  my favorite sci-fi books of the last... oh, three or four years... is are Daemon and Freedom.
115 2010-11-16 01:12:35 <brocktice> gavinandresen: yeah I loved them
116 2010-11-16 01:13:00 <brocktice> I've been thinking it would be interesting to try to get something like that going.
117 2010-11-16 01:13:05 <brocktice> Looks like someone on Five Grinder agrees.
118 2010-11-16 01:13:18 <Diablo-D3> http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap100823.html
119 2010-11-16 01:13:19 <Diablo-D3> whahaha
120 2010-11-16 01:13:22 <Diablo-D3> this is awesome
121 2010-11-16 01:13:34 <gavinandresen> We're WAY far away from AI as described in Daemon.
122 2010-11-16 01:14:18 <brocktice> gavinandresen: Oh sure, but there are a lot of interesting components.
123 2010-11-16 01:14:37 <Kiba> I want to write a steampunk novel about a cunning capitalist that violate IP laws
124 2010-11-16 01:14:42 <brocktice> it would be totally feasible to write something that watches the news and does things accordingly. Last I read Wall Street firms are doing that now.
125 2010-11-16 01:14:49 <brocktice> with their autotraders.
126 2010-11-16 01:15:25 <brocktice> Plus, now we have the Xbox Kinect or however you spell that
127 2010-11-16 01:15:28 <brocktice> easy computer vision.
128 2010-11-16 01:15:49 <Kiba> it will take a while to develop good computer vision using reverse engineered tech
129 2010-11-16 01:16:08 <brocktice> One of my favorite parts of the pair of books is when Loki gets pissed at a guy in the line at a coffee shop.
130 2010-11-16 01:16:17 <brocktice> Won't spoil it, but damn that was a great scene.
131 2010-11-16 01:17:18 <brocktice> Wow, that's an amazing pic
132 2010-11-16 01:21:57 <Diablo-D3> [09:14:42] <brocktice> it would be totally feasible to write something that watches the news and does things accordingly. Last I read Wall Street firms are doing that now.
133 2010-11-16 01:22:00 <Diablo-D3> yeah and its dumb
134 2010-11-16 01:22:04 <gavinandresen> Anybody awake enough to double-check the "don't constantly close and re-open debug.log" fix?  : https://gist.github.com/701330
135 2010-11-16 01:22:12 <Diablo-D3> the market is the most efficient information medium ever
136 2010-11-16 01:22:24 <Diablo-D3> you may not know WHAT happened, but the market has already adjusted for it by the time you find out
137 2010-11-16 01:22:57 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: Yeah but it's like running from a bear.
138 2010-11-16 01:23:04 <brocktice> I don't have to outrun the bear, just the person behind me.
139 2010-11-16 01:23:44 <brocktice> If they can trade faster than some people, they will still come out ahead.
140 2010-11-16 01:24:03 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: yeah, but its still noise I ignore
141 2010-11-16 01:24:10 <Diablo-D3> if they cant beat me, who are they kidding?
142 2010-11-16 01:24:20 <Diablo-D3> I'm some guy who lives in Maine and sits infront of a computer all day
143 2010-11-16 01:24:27 <Diablo-D3> I dont even CARE about the stock market
144 2010-11-16 01:24:30 <Diablo-D3> and they cant beat me
145 2010-11-16 01:24:33 <ArtForz> gavinandresen: looks good, applying to my local branch
146 2010-11-16 01:25:21 <gavinandresen> ArtForz: thanks.
147 2010-11-16 01:27:28 <ArtForz> whoops
148 2010-11-16 01:27:43 <davex__> Diablo-D3, have you read nassim taleb?
149 2010-11-16 01:28:12 <ArtForz> causes heap corruption
150 2010-11-16 01:28:35 <gavinandresen> ArtForz: heap corruption is bad......
151 2010-11-16 01:28:51 <ArtForz> lemme try a make clean first
152 2010-11-16 01:29:26 <ArtForz> as I think I upgraded gcc since I compiled this one last
153 2010-11-16 01:29:46 <ArtForz> there we go
154 2010-11-16 01:29:47 <Diablo-D3> man
155 2010-11-16 01:29:53 <Diablo-D3> davex__: no
156 2010-11-16 01:30:01 <Diablo-D3> so
157 2010-11-16 01:30:02 <Diablo-D3> man
158 2010-11-16 01:30:12 <Diablo-D3> I have not seen that movie with the dreams and whatever in it
159 2010-11-16 01:30:23 <Diablo-D3> inception or whatever it was
160 2010-11-16 01:30:37 <Diablo-D3> but now Im randomly spitting out the soundtrack
161 2010-11-16 01:30:57 <ArtForz> gavinandresen: applied cleanly, compiled, runs
162 2010-11-16 01:31:21 <gavinandresen> ArtForz: awesome, thanks.  I'm going to go ahead and commit it.
163 2010-11-16 01:31:45 <ArtForz> it also appears to help reduce disk access quite a bit on linux
164 2010-11-16 01:31:56 <Diablo-D3> what patch?
165 2010-11-16 01:32:03 <ArtForz> might be because my debug.log is ~200MB
166 2010-11-16 01:32:14 <Diablo-D3> lolfail
167 2010-11-16 01:32:19 <ArtForz> <gavinandresen> Anybody awake enough to double-check the "don't constantly close and re-open debug.log" fix?  : https://gist.github.com/701330
168 2010-11-16 01:32:33 <Diablo-D3> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imamcajBEJs
169 2010-11-16 01:32:43 <ArtForz> yeah, seems my log rotate script died quite a while ago
170 2010-11-16 01:33:34 <Diablo-D3> Im not sure why its a good OST
171 2010-11-16 01:33:37 <Diablo-D3> I havent seen the movie
172 2010-11-16 01:33:42 <Diablo-D3> its really simplistic
173 2010-11-16 01:34:00 <Diablo-D3> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOJqicM6x84
174 2010-11-16 01:34:02 <Diablo-D3> or that
175 2010-11-16 01:34:19 <gavinandresen> ArtForz: I did test log rotating, the new code (svn r181 now) works as expected (on mac/linux, anyway) -- continues to write to the old file until the 10-minute timer goes off.
176 2010-11-16 01:34:26 <Diablo-D3> BWAAAAAAAAANG
177 2010-11-16 01:34:32 <Diablo-D3> BWAAAAAAAAANG
178 2010-11-16 01:34:38 <Diablo-D3> BWAAAAAAAAANG
179 2010-11-16 01:40:26 <ArtForz> yep
180 2010-11-16 01:57:28 <Diablo-D3> fuck
181 2010-11-16 01:57:29 <Diablo-D3> want
182 2010-11-16 01:57:30 <Diablo-D3> to
183 2010-11-16 01:57:31 <Diablo-D3> watch
184 2010-11-16 01:57:32 <Diablo-D3> tron
185 2010-11-16 01:57:33 <Diablo-D3> legacy
186 2010-11-16 01:57:41 <Diablo-D3> I dont even care if its shit and will ruin the original for me
187 2010-11-16 01:57:43 <Diablo-D3> I must watch it
188 2010-11-16 02:01:14 <alystair> I just want the soundtrack
189 2010-11-16 02:01:16 <alystair> tbh
190 2010-11-16 02:05:14 <hadronzoo> I've noticed that my Bitcoin client sometimes stops downloading blocks (even when connected to many peers). Is this normal?
191 2010-11-16 02:06:34 <MT`AwAy> hadronzoo: at how many blocks ?
192 2010-11-16 02:07:01 <hadronzoo> I currently have 64 connections and my blocks are stuck at 88376
193 2010-11-16 02:07:24 <hadronzoo> 65 connections now
194 2010-11-16 02:09:36 <MT`AwAy> mh
195 2010-11-16 02:09:37 <MT`AwAy> weird
196 2010-11-16 02:09:43 <MT`AwAy> maybe quit/restart ?
197 2010-11-16 02:10:26 <hadronzoo> MT`AwAy: I'll try...
198 2010-11-16 02:11:03 <MT`AwAy> might be stuck requesting a block from a peer that went down
199 2010-11-16 02:11:12 <MT`AwAy> (dunno how the block downloading thing works exactly)
200 2010-11-16 02:12:27 <hadronzoo> MT`AwAy: Just waiting for connections...
201 2010-11-16 02:13:00 <ArtForz> MT: yeah
202 2010-11-16 02:13:21 <ArtForz> afair the timeout is slightly crazy, something like 30 min
203 2010-11-16 02:14:47 <MT`AwAy> ok, so quit/restart was the right call :D
204 2010-11-16 02:15:36 <hadronzoo> MT`AwAy: OK, it's working again. About 2 blocks per second. Thanks
205 2010-11-16 02:18:58 <MT`AwAy> btw if I have time I'm thinking of writing a new bitcoin client from scratch, having a 111kB main.cpp is just not workable
206 2010-11-16 02:19:23 <hadronzoo> MT`AwAy: Hmm. It hung again. It seems like when I start to get a lot of connections, it stops downloading blocks...
207 2010-11-16 02:19:39 <ArtForz> don't rewrite, refactor
208 2010-11-16 02:19:47 <MT`AwAy> hadronzoo: you could just ignore it for a while, and it'll start working again
209 2010-11-16 02:19:53 <MT`AwAy> ArtForz: I'm not a wxwidgets/boost guy
210 2010-11-16 02:20:08 <MT`AwAy> so for me, rewriting might be faster
211 2010-11-16 02:20:52 <hadronzoo> MT`AwAy: OK, although I've had it hang for 30 hours before (although that was before I symlinked debug.log to /dev/null)
212 2010-11-16 02:21:23 <MT`AwAy> hadronzoo: slow disk?
213 2010-11-16 02:21:46 <hadronzoo> MT`AwAy: FileVault problems
214 2010-11-16 02:21:51 <MT`AwAy> ah
215 2010-11-16 02:41:27 <ArtForz> gavin: found a major problem
216 2010-11-16 02:42:06 <ArtForz> we need to protect the static reopen-debug.log with a lock
217 2010-11-16 02:42:49 <Diablo-D3> [10:01:15] <alystair> I just want the soundtrack
218 2010-11-16 02:43:02 <Diablo-D3> alystair: I suspect Jesus was reincarnated as Daft Punk
219 2010-11-16 03:09:46 <MT`AwAy> looks like someone is sending lots of 0.01 trx
220 2010-11-16 03:09:53 <MT`AwAy> (not me this time)
221 2010-11-16 03:11:04 <ArtForz> doesn't look like it affects anything much though
222 2010-11-16 03:12:56 <ArtForz> and after some futzing with locking my tx-for-miner-block ccache seems to work
223 2010-11-16 04:03:21 <Kiba> hmm
224 2010-11-16 04:03:22 <Kiba> ya know
225 2010-11-16 04:03:30 <Kiba> I just realize that I don't know how the Chinese thinks
226 2010-11-16 04:03:43 <Kiba> what they do over there in China net?
227 2010-11-16 04:06:52 <MT`AwAy> ?
228 2010-11-16 04:06:57 <MT`AwAy> what do you mean, "what they do" ?
229 2010-11-16 04:07:09 <MT`AwAy> they work, have fun, sleep, eat, etc
230 2010-11-16 04:07:19 <Kiba> the internet
231 2010-11-16 04:07:22 <Kiba> what they think
232 2010-11-16 04:07:24 <MT`AwAy> :D
233 2010-11-16 04:07:39 <MT`AwAy> they have their own twitter made in china, with most icons/stylesheet copied
234 2010-11-16 04:07:45 <MT`AwAy> they have their own search engines, blog engines, etc
235 2010-11-16 04:08:01 <Kiba> yeah, sure.
236 2010-11-16 04:08:24 <MT`AwAy> and they have proud in their country
237 2010-11-16 04:08:25 <Kiba> but..I am thinking like...what concerns Chinese?
238 2010-11-16 04:08:51 <MT`AwAy> they hate japanese people because "they never apologized for WW2" (that's what they learn in school, it's false btw)
239 2010-11-16 04:09:21 <Kiba> false how?
240 2010-11-16 04:10:55 <Kiba> the Japanese are focused on the nuclear bomb I think. The American bombed Japan and lot of civilians died, yep.
241 2010-11-16 04:11:01 <Kiba> but the Japanese is imperalistic...
242 2010-11-16 04:11:20 <Kiba> and FDR is probably an ass for provoking the Japanese
243 2010-11-16 04:11:37 <Kiba> so..if that's true, than it's the fault of both countries that WW2 happens
244 2010-11-16 04:11:53 <MT`AwAy> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070909211807AAi2mxe
245 2010-11-16 04:11:57 <MT`AwAy> the matter is "after"
246 2010-11-16 04:12:41 <MT`AwAy> while Japan has decided to not have military anymore (except the defense force) and sents apologies & money to china (and are still sending money to china), in China schools you learn that Japan never apologized nor gave even one cent to china
247 2010-11-16 04:13:37 <Kiba> meh
248 2010-11-16 04:13:44 <Diablo-D3> hey man
249 2010-11-16 04:13:45 <Kiba> sino-exceptionalism
250 2010-11-16 04:13:49 <Diablo-D3> dont underestimate the jsdf
251 2010-11-16 04:14:08 <Diablo-D3> MT`AwAy: also, you're REALLY glossing over china-japan relations
252 2010-11-16 04:14:11 <Kiba> if American exceptionalism exists, so does sino-exceptionism
253 2010-11-16 04:15:02 <Kiba> why does Japan needs to apologize on behalf of a bunch of scumbags 20-30 years ago?
254 2010-11-16 04:15:13 <Diablo-D3> they dont
255 2010-11-16 04:15:26 <Diablo-D3> I mean, Japan is one of the US's biggest allies now
256 2010-11-16 04:15:43 <Kiba> we're srry that our elder are ASSHOLES
257 2010-11-16 04:15:50 <Diablo-D3> only outright xenophobic morons (on either side, and yes they exist) are problematic
258 2010-11-16 04:16:29 <Kiba> hmm
259 2010-11-16 04:16:41 <Kiba> gottach love the existence of free porn video sites
260 2010-11-16 04:17:47 <MT`AwAy> :D
261 2010-11-16 05:25:12 <MT`AwAy> wow
262 2010-11-16 05:25:16 <MT`AwAy> my wallet.dat is 616MB
263 2010-11-16 05:28:23 <ne0futur> I wonder why mine is only 28k
264 2010-11-16 05:29:01 <samfisher> Hi. anyone can help me set up the GPU generation app?
265 2010-11-16 05:30:04 <samfisher> i don't know what OpenCL implementation to use, or where to get it (i'm at the pyopencl building part)
266 2010-11-16 05:35:50 <MT`AwAy> we might need a function to "forget" a bitcoin address, could be nice for short lived addresses (forget would only be successful if the address has no funds on it)
267 2010-11-16 05:36:40 <nanotube> MT`AwAy: yea that's been mentioned before... at the moment, i guess you could just make a new wallet, and send your funds to it. if you don't have any addresses you need to keep that is.
268 2010-11-16 05:36:54 <nanotube> or you could possibly do it using bitcointools...
269 2010-11-16 05:37:02 <MT`AwAy> nanotube: I still want to keep /some/ of those addresses
270 2010-11-16 05:37:14 <MT`AwAy> anyway it's no urgence, I still have plently of disk space
271 2010-11-16 05:37:22 <nanotube> mm in that case.. option 1 is not for you. :)
272 2010-11-16 05:37:36 <MT`AwAy> but at some point it could be nice :)
273 2010-11-16 05:37:42 <nanotube> yea
274 2010-11-16 05:37:52 <nanotube> especially if you get in the habit of generating microtransaction storms. :)
275 2010-11-16 05:38:04 <Kiba> an ever changing address!
276 2010-11-16 05:38:42 <MT`AwAy> an option to destroy a batch of bitcoin addresses and have funds sent to a single address instead :p
277 2010-11-16 05:39:05 <MT`AwAy> (destroy <address list> => generate new address => send funds there => forget private keys for the old address list)
278 2010-11-16 05:39:18 <MT`AwAy> (except if no funds there)
279 2010-11-16 05:39:28 <nanotube> right
280 2010-11-16 05:39:58 <MT`AwAy> destroying a single address with funds would have no sense as it would generate another address, that's why I specify "address list" ;)
281 2010-11-16 05:40:16 <Kiba> man.
282 2010-11-16 05:40:20 <Kiba> I don't have enough bitcoins
283 2010-11-16 05:40:28 <MT`AwAy> Kiba: who has?
284 2010-11-16 05:40:31 <nanotube> but destroying a single address with no funds would be sensible. :)
285 2010-11-16 05:40:41 <lfm> MT`AwAy, destorying a single UNUSED address would be ok
286 2010-11-16 05:40:46 <nanotube> haha yea, i don't have enough either.
287 2010-11-16 05:40:48 <MT`AwAy> lfm: yep
288 2010-11-16 05:41:02 <MT`AwAy> lfm: unfortunately there's no easy way to know if an address is unused or not
289 2010-11-16 05:41:18 <lfm> unless someone sent you funds to that address after you destroyed it
290 2010-11-16 05:41:21 <Kiba> MT`AwAy: I been spending my bitcoins on donation and sponsoring bounty
291 2010-11-16 05:44:12 <lfm> why destroy addreses anyway, especially if you can never be sure there wont be another transaction to it?
292 2010-11-16 05:44:36 <nanotube> lfm: to keep down the size of wallet.
293 2010-11-16 05:44:44 <lfm> bah! a few bytes
294 2010-11-16 05:44:58 <nanotube> lfm: MT`AwAy has a 600+MB wallet
295 2010-11-16 05:45:12 <Kiba> with HD size these days, it's not so bad
296 2010-11-16 05:45:12 <nanotube> it could make a difference to websites that generate one-time-use addresses for users
297 2010-11-16 05:45:13 <lfm> so how big is his disk?
298 2010-11-16 05:45:44 <nanotube> lfm: given that you should make regular backups of the wallet... probably not big enough. :)
299 2010-11-16 05:46:33 <lfm> what, hasnt he baught a disk in the last 10 years?
300 2010-11-16 05:47:06 <MT`AwAy> lfm: what worries me is that it's probably going to get even bigger
301 2010-11-16 05:47:25 <nanotube> i don't know what he bought or not... i'm just saying that i'd like to be able to avoid storing useless cruft, if i can.
302 2010-11-16 05:47:58 <lfm> just transfer your money to a new wallet, nice and small
303 2010-11-16 05:48:09 <MT`AwAy> anyway I'm accepting payments in bitcoins, I generate temporary addresses for payments
304 2010-11-16 05:48:17 <MT`AwAy> and I also have permanent addresses for people to send payments when they want
305 2010-11-16 05:48:19 <MT`AwAy> (in the same wallet)
306 2010-11-16 05:48:35 <MT`AwAy> I didn't expect the wallet to grow that big, that fast
307 2010-11-16 05:49:13 <nanotube> lfm: you might want to keep some particular addresses...
308 2010-11-16 05:49:33 <MT`AwAy> anyway I'm not telling it urgent
309 2010-11-16 05:49:36 <lfm> MT`AwAy, are you the one was playing with the bitcent spam? how else you get that much in wallet?
310 2010-11-16 05:49:51 <MT`AwAy> until the wallet gets to 10GB I should have a few months
311 2010-11-16 05:50:37 <MT`AwAy> lfm: yesterday (evening in JST) we did tests with ArtForz with bitcoins tx floods (my transactions are only random 0.02~1.00,  the 0.01 are not mine)
312 2010-11-16 05:51:34 <ArtForz> flood? more like a fast trickle ;)
313 2010-11-16 05:51:42 <MT`AwAy> yep, 0.44trx/sec
314 2010-11-16 05:54:12 <lfm> btw I got my gpu unning 1400 khash/s
315 2010-11-16 05:55:01 <lfm> the cpu is 2400 khash/s
316 2010-11-16 05:56:48 <MT`AwAy> my cpu is 5000khash/s
317 2010-11-16 05:57:00 <MT`AwAy> and some of my cpus go at 11000khash/s
318 2010-11-16 05:57:34 <lfm> my gpu is $40
319 2010-11-16 05:57:39 <MT`AwAy> :D
320 2010-11-16 05:57:45 <MT`AwAy> this explains everything
321 2010-11-16 05:57:49 <lfm> hehe
322 2010-11-16 05:59:08 <lfm> it does work with the m0m miner though, kinda cool
323 2010-11-16 06:01:32 <samfisher> anyone can help me with mining on gpu?
324 2010-11-16 06:04:23 <lfm> samfisher, lots of people can, depends whats wrong
325 2010-11-16 06:04:57 <lfm> samfisher, first question, are you using Linux?
326 2010-11-16 06:05:29 <Kiba> mtgox bitcoin action is most unexciting EVER
327 2010-11-16 06:06:03 <lfm> Kiba, you need to take long view
328 2010-11-16 06:07:32 <samfisher> lfm: yes
329 2010-11-16 06:07:55 <samfisher> lfm: i can't build pyopencl, i need an openCL implementation
330 2010-11-16 06:08:44 <lfm> what linux is it?
331 2010-11-16 06:09:01 <samfisher> Slackware64 13.1
332 2010-11-16 06:09:52 <lfm> ooooo, you got pyopencl and it doesnt build? any error messages?
333 2010-11-16 06:09:57 <Kiba> I seriously should write a bot to automate my trading
334 2010-11-16 06:11:59 <jgarzik> Kiba: http://www.geniustrader.org/ is right there waiting for ya
335 2010-11-16 06:12:19 <lfm> samfisher, the actual OpenCL comes with the video drivers either ati or nvidia. you know what version your video drivers are?
336 2010-11-16 06:13:01 <Kiba> but, I don't like perl!
337 2010-11-16 06:13:35 <jgarzik> Kiba: <shrug>  does that mean you'd ignore a wealth of helpful code?  ;-)
338 2010-11-16 06:13:58 <jgarzik> I'm sure the same algorithms work in python
339 2010-11-16 06:14:54 <Kiba> I need a systematic approach to learning programming
340 2010-11-16 06:15:06 <Kiba> blah
341 2010-11-16 06:15:07 <Kiba> whatever
342 2010-11-16 06:15:11 <samfisher> lfm: i have nvidia latest
343 2010-11-16 06:15:19 <Kiba> but anyway, it would be nice for me to learn something everyday
344 2010-11-16 06:15:26 <Kiba> that will contribute to my intelligence
345 2010-11-16 06:16:16 <lfm> samfisher, when you try to build pyopencl does it give you an error message?
346 2010-11-16 06:16:36 <samfisher> yes, let me show you
347 2010-11-16 06:18:49 <samfisher> lfm: http://pastebin.com/986TTPTQ
348 2010-11-16 06:21:11 <Kiba> nightie night
349 2010-11-16 06:23:31 <lfm> samfisher, sorry I dont know exactly what that problem is. something to do with the .h header files it seems either not found or wrong ersions somewhere I think
350 2010-11-16 06:24:45 <lfm> samfisher, I think you need a sdk from nvidia
351 2010-11-16 06:25:01 <lfm> samfisher, for opencl
352 2010-11-16 06:25:18 <lfm> the cl/cl.h file is missing
353 2010-11-16 06:28:07 <lfm> samfisher, if you have a CL/cl.h file somewhere on your system, perhaps you need some env var to point to the wright dir or something
354 2010-11-16 06:33:37 <samfisher> lfm: i'm lost
355 2010-11-16 06:34:19 <Diablo-D3> samfisher: why are you building pyopencl?
356 2010-11-16 06:35:18 <samfisher> isn't it a dependency?
357 2010-11-16 06:35:29 <Diablo-D3> why are you _building_ it
358 2010-11-16 06:35:51 <Diablo-D3> most linux distros package it.
359 2010-11-16 06:36:19 <samfisher> i don't have it on slack
360 2010-11-16 06:36:30 <Diablo-D3> then quit using out of date distros like slack
361 2010-11-16 06:36:32 <samfisher> or i don't know having it
362 2010-11-16 06:36:33 <Diablo-D3> switch to debian
363 2010-11-16 06:36:51 <Diablo-D3> pyopencl shouldnt be built by people who dont know how to compile things
364 2010-11-16 06:37:18 <samfisher> slack is not out of date
365 2010-11-16 06:37:31 <Diablo-D3> apparently it is if it doesnt have things like pyopencl
366 2010-11-16 06:44:50 <lfm> samfisher, pyopencl that is
367 2010-11-16 06:49:30 <lfm> on a different note I finally got my gpu running m0mchill's miner. I looked at yours but I dont know enuf java to get it to run
368 2010-11-16 06:50:19 <samfisher> is it easier on windows7?
369 2010-11-16 06:51:21 <lfm> I never tried windows. it is easier on certain recent versions of debian and ubuntu (as Diablo-D3 indicated) but its still not simple imho
370 2010-11-16 06:52:43 <Diablo-D3> apt-get install pyopencl isnt simple?
371 2010-11-16 06:52:43 <samfisher> what hashrate could i get on an nvidia 9500?
372 2010-11-16 06:52:53 <samfisher> i don't have ubuntu
373 2010-11-16 06:53:07 <Diablo-D3> lfm: also, why would you need to know java to use mine?
374 2010-11-16 06:53:11 <Diablo-D3> you just run the appropriate script
375 2010-11-16 06:53:12 <lfm> samfisher, bitcoin is mired in many various dependancies not just for gpus but gpus make the dependancies deaper
376 2010-11-16 06:54:22 <lfm> Diablo-D3, ya the Diablo-d3.Linux script? it cant find anything. the java files in the tarball are in differently named directories or something
377 2010-11-16 06:54:22 <xelister> are we 100% sure m0mchil's miner is working fine?
378 2010-11-16 06:54:48 <lfm> xelister, no, depends who we is I spoze
379 2010-11-16 06:55:30 <xelister> with  python poclbm.py  -d 1 -f 90 -r 3   I found a block at    found: 59602XXXX, 16/11/2010 05:08
380 2010-11-16 06:55:40 <xelister> and still now getinfo shows ballance 0
381 2010-11-16 06:55:43 <Diablo-D3> lfm: you cd into the dir and do ./DiabloMiner-Linux.sh -u foo -p bar
382 2010-11-16 06:56:03 <Diablo-D3> xelister: because getinfo doesnt show pending blocks
383 2010-11-16 06:56:13 <Diablo-D3> xelister: you need to look at the UI client for the transaction list
384 2010-11-16 06:56:19 <xelister> "balance":0.05000000,"blocks":92140,"connections":8
385 2010-11-16 06:56:22 <lfm> xelister, wait 120 blocks and get back to us
386 2010-11-16 06:57:19 <samfisher> xelister: still couldn't build pyopencl
387 2010-11-16 06:57:44 <xelister> ok so if you generate a block, it may take up to for example 120 blocks (120*10 minutes = 20 hours??) before you see it in the ballance of RPC client / are able to use it?
388 2010-11-16 06:57:59 <Diablo-D3> xelister: yes
389 2010-11-16 06:58:02 <Diablo-D3> this isnt news
390 2010-11-16 06:58:33 <xelister> we arelly do need as much as 120 blocks for, I assume, anti-split protection?
391 2010-11-16 06:58:49 <Diablo-D3> for anti fraud protection
392 2010-11-16 06:59:18 <lfm> Diablo-D3, NoClassDefFoundError
393 2010-11-16 06:59:54 <xelister> samfisher: hi, today I will be rather bussy. Perhaps tomorrow; One thing to consider could be to dual boot also to ubuntu to leave it for the night to mine
394 2010-11-16 06:59:57 <lfm> xelister, I wouldnt think so but thats what it is
395 2010-11-16 07:00:05 <Diablo-D3> lfm: pastebin the entire error
396 2010-11-16 07:00:12 <Diablo-D3> lfm: because you're doing something wrong
397 2010-11-16 07:03:17 <lfm> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/diablominer/DiabloMiner/DiabloMiner
398 2010-11-16 07:03:20 <lfm> Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: com.diablominer.DiabloMiner.DiabloMiner
399 2010-11-16 07:03:28 <samfisher> is it easier to install the miner in win7?
400 2010-11-16 07:03:33 <Diablo-D3> samfisher: no.
401 2010-11-16 07:03:37 <Diablo-D3> lfm: then you've screwed up
402 2010-11-16 07:03:51 <Diablo-D3> lfm: are you sure you have the newest version of the build zip?
403 2010-11-16 07:03:56 <xelister> aactually ubuntu appears to be most miner-friendly
404 2010-11-16 07:04:01 <samfisher> Diablo-D3: can I use a virtualized machine with ubuntu?
405 2010-11-16 07:04:09 <Diablo-D3> samfisher: and access your hardware how?
406 2010-11-16 07:04:11 <lfm> Diablo-D3-DiabloMiner-bce2404
407 2010-11-16 07:04:24 <samfisher> Diablo-D3: that would be my next question
408 2010-11-16 07:05:13 <Diablo-D3> samfisher: pci-e passthrough for devices that initiate dma on their own is not possible in virtualization without driver support
409 2010-11-16 07:05:19 <Diablo-D3> thus, no one does it yet
410 2010-11-16 07:05:30 <Diablo-D3> and your host OS would have to be headless for it to work anyhow
411 2010-11-16 07:05:44 <Diablo-D3> lfm: ... I dont recognize that version
412 2010-11-16 07:06:14 <samfisher> f it
413 2010-11-16 07:06:19 <samfisher> i'm install 'buntu
414 2010-11-16 07:06:25 <Diablo-D3> samfisher: ubuntu sucks
415 2010-11-16 07:06:27 <Diablo-D3> use debian
416 2010-11-16 07:07:13 <samfisher> i want it just for mining
417 2010-11-16 07:07:28 <lfm> Diablo-D3, download from https://github.com/Diablo-D3/DiabloMiner about 2 hours ago
418 2010-11-16 07:08:27 <Diablo-D3> lfm: but thats only the source code.
419 2010-11-16 07:08:36 <Diablo-D3> you need to run mvn package to get anything useful out of that
420 2010-11-16 07:09:33 <lfm> ok, I dont know mvn
421 2010-11-16 07:11:12 <Diablo-D3> well seeing as I told you the exact command to run, whats the problem?
422 2010-11-16 07:12:43 <lfm> Diablo-D3, I guess I assumed building would be obvious, obtaining binary now. I assumed binary was optional
423 2010-11-16 07:13:03 <Diablo-D3> the binary is for people who dont want to build it
424 2010-11-16 07:14:09 <lfm> Is Binary for linux32 only?
425 2010-11-16 07:14:17 <Diablo-D3> no, its java
426 2010-11-16 07:14:20 <lfm> by any chance
427 2010-11-16 07:14:42 <lfm> wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32 (Possible cause: architecture word width mismatch)
428 2010-11-16 07:15:14 <Diablo-D3> thats the same problem whatshisface was having
429 2010-11-16 07:15:37 <Diablo-D3> but the lwjgl developers couldnt figure it out because he wouldnt do what they asked
430 2010-11-16 07:15:50 <Diablo-D3> because it works on amd64 because thats what I use
431 2010-11-16 07:16:00 <Diablo-D3> lfm: what distro are you on
432 2010-11-16 07:16:19 <lfm> kubuntu 64 on intel
433 2010-11-16 07:16:22 <Diablo-D3> huh
434 2010-11-16 07:16:31 <Diablo-D3> I wonder if ubutnu has just majorly fucked something up
435 2010-11-16 07:16:44 <Diablo-D3> because the other guy also was on ubuntu
436 2010-11-16 07:16:51 <lfm> maybe, the m0mchil miner is working for me
437 2010-11-16 07:17:03 <Diablo-D3> fucking ubuntu
438 2010-11-16 07:17:08 <Diablo-D3> I wish people would quit using that distro
439 2010-11-16 07:18:06 <lfm> debian doesnt work for me, doesnt support my wireless dongle
440 2010-11-16 07:18:11 <Diablo-D3> they ignore bug reports, they CAUSE bugs
441 2010-11-16 07:18:14 <Diablo-D3> lfm: bullshit, it does
442 2010-11-16 07:18:24 <Diablo-D3> distros dont support hardware, the kernel does
443 2010-11-16 07:18:31 <Diablo-D3> you probably forgot to install the firmware packages
444 2010-11-16 07:18:35 <lfm> well, well I am just to stupid to figure it out
445 2010-11-16 07:20:39 <omglolbbq> heya diable
446 2010-11-16 07:20:41 <omglolbbq> o
447 2010-11-16 07:20:59 <Diablo-D3> lfm: a lot of companies are in bed with microsoft
448 2010-11-16 07:21:17 <Diablo-D3> and thought requiring firmware blobs uploaded by the driver would stop linux
449 2010-11-16 07:21:22 <Diablo-D3> it didnt
450 2010-11-16 07:21:38 <Diablo-D3> debian, due to the non-free nature of the firmware, does not install them by default
451 2010-11-16 07:21:42 <omglolbbq> bitcoin forum down?
452 2010-11-16 07:21:53 <omglolbbq> The server at www.bitcoin.org is taking too long to respond.
453 2010-11-16 07:22:27 <Diablo-D3> lfm: thus, you have to apt-get them
454 2010-11-16 07:22:38 <lfm> I thot the design with firmware blob uploads was just to make it cheaper
455 2010-11-16 07:22:45 <Diablo-D3> cheaper? no
456 2010-11-16 07:23:01 <Diablo-D3> either way they have to include something to store it
457 2010-11-16 07:23:19 <Diablo-D3> most of them dont have something on the chip die to store the firmware
458 2010-11-16 07:23:27 <Diablo-D3> so its still another chip
459 2010-11-16 07:23:31 <ArtForz> erm... no
460 2010-11-16 07:23:58 <Diablo-D3> lfm: its just a large part of the ongoing scam
461 2010-11-16 07:24:18 <ArtForz> on-chip ram to store firmware *is* cheaper than flash
462 2010-11-16 07:24:28 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: yes, but who said flash?
463 2010-11-16 07:24:37 <lfm> cheaper to make it customizable for different countries with different radio bands used and stuff
464 2010-11-16 07:24:43 <Diablo-D3> it could be a rom chip, which are really fucking cheap
465 2010-11-16 07:24:57 <Diablo-D3> lfm: which has nothing to do with the firmware
466 2010-11-16 07:25:01 <Diablo-D3> lfm: thats managed by the driver
467 2010-11-16 07:25:28 <davux> hi!
468 2010-11-16 07:26:12 <lfm> ArtForz, ya, just ram, not flash and not separate flash chip == cheaper
469 2010-11-16 07:26:21 <Diablo-D3> and they can do on-die flash too
470 2010-11-16 07:26:30 <Diablo-D3> so thats another non-argument
471 2010-11-16 07:26:32 <ArtForz> yep, just check prices on stuff like cypress USB microcontrollers
472 2010-11-16 07:26:50 <davux> do you know of any encoding for bitcoin addresses for contexts where uppercase chars are not allowed?
473 2010-11-16 07:27:04 <lfm> daveparrish, nope
474 2010-11-16 07:27:20 <lfm> davux, nope
475 2010-11-16 07:27:37 <davux> i'm working of an xmpp gateway to bitcoin
476 2010-11-16 07:27:50 <davux> so that people could send bitcoins via IM
477 2010-11-16 07:28:10 <jgarzik> davux: nice
478 2010-11-16 07:28:14 <davux> directly to a bitcoin address
479 2010-11-16 07:28:18 <lfm> davux, what sorta context doesnt allow UPPER case? back in asr33 days lower case was not allowed
480 2010-11-16 07:28:29 <davux> lfm: xmpp addresses
481 2010-11-16 07:28:35 <davux> well, in theory they do
482 2010-11-16 07:28:50 <omglolbbq> diablo debug msg in your pm :)
483 2010-11-16 07:29:00 <davux> but clients are buggy and don't make a difference between fOo and FOO
484 2010-11-16 07:29:02 <lfm> davux, treat it as a string, not an address
485 2010-11-16 07:29:09 <davux> i do
486 2010-11-16 07:29:15 <jgarzik> davux: I always wanted an XMPP-based bitcoin bank.  initiate deposits via IM.  tell it to send bitcoins via IM.  all without having to install anything but XMPP on your system.
487 2010-11-16 07:29:31 <davux> jgarzik: http://gitorious.org/bitcoim/
488 2010-11-16 07:29:50 <davux> i'm just starting to work on it so don't expect anything usable atm
489 2010-11-16 07:30:09 <davux> (yes it's called bitcoIM)
490 2010-11-16 07:30:27 <jgarzik> davux: does one agent support multiple users, with suitable strong authentication?
491 2010-11-16 07:30:40 <jgarzik> davux: ie. Alice and Bob's bank accounts must be separate :)
492 2010-11-16 07:31:17 <davux> at the moment i handle only one connection to a bitcoind instance
493 2010-11-16 07:31:34 <davux> and as you know, the wallet cannot be split
494 2010-11-16 07:31:35 <ArtForz> urk. found another possible deadlock in my miner
495 2010-11-16 07:32:12 <jgarzik> ah
496 2010-11-16 07:32:31 <jgarzik> davux: so it's more a remote control, than a bank
497 2010-11-16 07:32:37 <jgarzik> for one person
498 2010-11-16 07:32:47 <davux> can be
499 2010-11-16 07:33:05 <davux> it's free software so people are encouraged to run an instance of their own
500 2010-11-16 07:33:12 <davux> or for small-sized collectives
501 2010-11-16 07:33:24 <davux> although i will probably run an instance at bitco.im
502 2010-11-16 07:33:34 <jgarzik> davux: well without account separation it's not suitable for multi-user use, AFAICS?
503 2010-11-16 07:33:41 <jgarzik> so no collectives
504 2010-11-16 07:34:08 <davux> it is, if you keep track of who owns which address
505 2010-11-16 07:34:35 <davux> jgarzik: http://gitorious.org/bitcoim/pages/Design#Internal+distinction+between+user+accounts
506 2010-11-16 07:36:16 <MT`AwAy> http://freebitcoins.appspot.com/TEST/ <- "I'm giving away 5 per visit" <- wasn't it more like 500 before ?
507 2010-11-16 07:36:36 <Diablo-D3> no, it was 5 before, and now its 0.05
508 2010-11-16 07:36:45 <MT`AwAy> Diablo-D3: "TEST"
509 2010-11-16 07:36:54 <Diablo-D3> oh
510 2010-11-16 07:36:57 <Diablo-D3> dunno then
511 2010-11-16 07:36:59 <Diablo-D3> probably still 5
512 2010-11-16 07:37:10 <jgarzik> davux: ok, good
513 2010-11-16 07:37:26 <MT`AwAy> was 500 yesterday
514 2010-11-16 07:40:19 <davux> i don't understand that TEST thing
515 2010-11-16 07:40:35 <Diablo-D3> its for the test net
516 2010-11-16 07:41:27 <MT`AwAy> davux: it's a place where you can get lots of bitcoins easily to test your stuff
517 2010-11-16 07:41:37 <MT`AwAy> for example I sent 1350.04 bitcoins to the test faucet just for fun
518 2010-11-16 07:41:53 <MT`AwAy> (one day of cpu bitcoin generation)
519 2010-11-16 07:42:11 <davux> oh ok, it's like a 2nd blockchain?
520 2010-11-16 07:42:23 <MT`AwAy> yep
521 2010-11-16 07:42:26 <MT`AwAy> only for tests
522 2010-11-16 07:42:31 <davux> funny
523 2010-11-16 07:42:38 <MT`AwAy> it has no value so people are not gpu-mining it
524 2010-11-16 07:42:41 <davux> what's the difference with the other one?
525 2010-11-16 07:42:49 <Diablo-D3> one is real, one isnt
526 2010-11-16 07:42:53 <davux> what makes it have no value?
527 2010-11-16 07:42:57 <MT`AwAy> so you can still generate coins like you could with bitcoins at first
528 2010-11-16 07:43:04 <MT`AwAy> davux: it has no value by convention
529 2010-11-16 07:43:11 <MT`AwAy> what makes it have no value is nobody wants to buy that
530 2010-11-16 07:43:15 <MT`AwAy> and everybody gives it happily
531 2010-11-16 07:43:40 <davux> so somehow the generation is easier, i guess
532 2010-11-16 07:43:54 <davux> is the difficulty adjusted in a different way or something?
533 2010-11-16 07:44:11 <Diablo-D3> davux: no
534 2010-11-16 07:44:16 <Diablo-D3> but theres no one mining on it
535 2010-11-16 07:44:18 <MT`AwAy> daveparrish: no, just that there's nobody mining there
536 2010-11-16 07:44:19 <Diablo-D3> so it has very low difficulty
537 2010-11-16 07:44:21 <MT`AwAy> arg
538 2010-11-16 07:44:26 <Diablo-D3> its a test. net.
539 2010-11-16 07:44:27 <davux> ok
540 2010-11-16 07:44:28 <MT`AwAy> daveparrish: sorry, meant to say davux
541 2010-11-16 07:44:30 <Diablo-D3> whats so hard to understand?
542 2010-11-16 07:45:56 <MT`AwAy> bitcoin hashes with version 111 are from testnet
543 2010-11-16 07:46:08 <MT`AwAy> (that's what makes them start with a m instead of a 1)
544 2010-11-16 07:55:01 <davux> how great, i think bitcoIM will have to deal with JIDs of the form 1_h_czp29k_w_yevpve_u_fef_h_qs_np3_p6jy_t_so_u_u@foo.bar
545 2010-11-16 07:55:12 <davux> A -> _a etc.
546 2010-11-16 07:56:14 <davux> unless i can come up with 26 characters that are accepted by clients, and can be displayed anywhere
547 2010-11-16 07:56:25 <davux> (in utf-8 range)
548 2010-11-16 07:56:37 <davux> as a replacement for [A-Z]
549 2010-11-16 08:02:01 <MT`AwAy> davux: why not just use hash+sum ?
550 2010-11-16 08:02:08 <MT`AwAy> well
551 2010-11-16 08:02:11 <MT`AwAy> version+hash+sum
552 2010-11-16 08:02:19 <davux> what do you mean?
553 2010-11-16 08:02:44 <MT`AwAy> 1Eym7pyJcaambv8FG4ZoU8A4xsiL9us2zz = 009955c1b44fa66688d27aaa06ba4ad02c6dd91088dcc4bb97
554 2010-11-16 08:02:56 <MT`AwAy> you could even compact that by using base36
555 2010-11-16 08:03:47 <MT`AwAy> so
556 2010-11-16 08:03:58 <MT`AwAy> 1Eym7pyJcaambv8FG4ZoU8A4xsiL9us2zz becomes mn9yeVLeZYWzoU1GHZRgnDzeFicGkGRQz8
557 2010-11-16 08:04:02 <MT`AwAy> mh
558 2010-11-16 08:04:04 <MT`AwAy> wtf
559 2010-11-16 08:04:09 <davux> fomr a mathematical point of view, it's what would make more sense, but it's maybe easier to allow people to convert easily between a base58 address and the JID representation
560 2010-11-16 08:04:11 <MT`AwAy> base36 shouldn't have uppercase
561 2010-11-16 08:04:21 <MT`AwAy> davux: "easily" ? :D
562 2010-11-16 08:04:27 <MT`AwAy> just provide a tool or something
563 2010-11-16 08:04:55 <MT`AwAy> btw
564 2010-11-16 08:05:13 <MT`AwAy> 1Eym7pyJcaambv8FG4ZoU8A4xsiL9us2zz (base58) becomes 0zc91t3oevztkwf4ip4wlxfarpfztk1mzweu1j (base36)
565 2010-11-16 08:05:20 <MT`AwAy> base36 has no uppercase :)
566 2010-11-16 08:05:59 <davux> i mean, it's easier to control whether two forms represent the same address with the ugly underscore version
567 2010-11-16 08:06:10 <davux> although i must admin the base36 one is nice too
568 2010-11-16 08:06:15 <davux> admit*
569 2010-11-16 08:06:47 <MT`AwAy> just provide a quick tool to convert between both
570 2010-11-16 08:07:09 <MT`AwAy> having an address full of _ is not nice
571 2010-11-16 08:07:21 <davux> ok i'll make this abstract and let people choose between the 2 methods
572 2010-11-16 08:07:39 <davux> doesn't have to be a global choice anyway
573 2010-11-16 08:07:46 <davux> i agree
574 2010-11-16 08:07:58 <MT`AwAy> :p
575 2010-11-16 08:08:18 <davux> how do you convert between base36 and base58?
576 2010-11-16 08:08:57 <MT`AwAy> I do it in php, probably not helpful for you
577 2010-11-16 08:09:18 <davux> i wish i could find a way to keep [a-z][0-9] chars unchanged
578 2010-11-16 08:09:46 <MT`AwAy> davux: I had to do like you did for one site of mine
579 2010-11-16 08:10:08 <MT`AwAy> davux: was getting something like http://om-rhdn-v40.est-un-boulet.com/ xD
580 2010-11-16 08:10:36 <davux> funny
581 2010-11-16 08:10:36 <Diablo-D3> MT`AwAy: wait, why cant they be over 16 oz?
582 2010-11-16 08:10:46 <MT`AwAy> Diablo-D3: because of terrorism risks
583 2010-11-16 08:10:58 <MT`AwAy> Diablo-D3: you know, japan is a poor country full of dangerous mulsim terrorists
584 2010-11-16 08:10:59 <Diablo-D3> so... how do I get my plamo now?
585 2010-11-16 08:11:19 <MT`AwAy> Diablo-D3: if the shipper is a company with a pro contract, they can still ship bigger packages
586 2010-11-16 08:11:46 <MT`AwAy> "For those of you who have a contract with JP Post, you will not be impacted and can continue to ship to any destination of any weight and size."
587 2010-11-16 08:12:01 <Diablo-D3> ahh, its only jp post
588 2010-11-16 08:12:03 <Diablo-D3> not the other two
589 2010-11-16 08:12:19 <MT`AwAy> the other two? you mean fedex?
590 2010-11-16 08:12:39 <Diablo-D3> no, theres two other internationally shipping shipping companies in japan
591 2010-11-16 08:12:41 <Diablo-D3> forget the names
592 2010-11-16 08:12:48 <MT`AwAy> if it's EMS, it's JP Post
593 2010-11-16 08:12:53 <Diablo-D3> ahh
594 2010-11-16 08:12:55 <Diablo-D3> EMS is one of them
595 2010-11-16 08:13:01 <MT`AwAy> EMS *is* JP Post
596 2010-11-16 08:13:03 <Diablo-D3> Im too lazy to look up the other
597 2010-11-16 08:13:12 <MT`AwAy> JP Post has many names :p
598 2010-11-16 08:13:18 <MT`AwAy> Yupack is JP Post too
599 2010-11-16 08:13:39 <MT`AwAy> davux: it even supports unicode ;)
600 2010-11-16 08:13:51 <LobsterMan> has anyone noticed bitcoin .15 using more memory than previous versions?
601 2010-11-16 08:14:02 <davux> ;)
602 2010-11-16 08:14:59 <davux> i can't believe XMPP can handle any strange utf-8 address, but clients don't do the distinction between uppercase and lowercase
603 2010-11-16 08:15:35 <MT`AwAy> davux: probably just before it was never enforced in specs
604 2010-11-16 08:16:34 <Diablo-D3> davux: erm
605 2010-11-16 08:16:39 <Diablo-D3> then it _cant_ handle utf8
606 2010-11-16 09:29:17 <samfisher> who can point me to a GPU miner guide?
607 2010-11-16 09:30:51 <Diablo-D3> there isnt one
608 2010-11-16 09:33:32 <MT`AwAy> btw Diablo-D3 if I was to switch to ATI, which kind of card would you recommand? :p
609 2010-11-16 09:35:38 <samfisher> Diablo-D3: ok, i have ubuntu, pyopencl, i did a svn co https://bitcoin.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bitcoin bitcoin
610 2010-11-16 09:35:46 <samfisher> what's next?
611 2010-11-16 09:37:37 <samfisher> i'll donate first 50 btc to whoevere helps me
612 2010-11-16 09:38:18 <MT`AwAy> samfisher: how many GPU do you have?
613 2010-11-16 09:38:20 <Diablo-D3> MT`AwAy: not sure yet, I wanna see how the 69xx series comes out
614 2010-11-16 09:38:31 <Diablo-D3> samfisher: apply m0's getwork patch
615 2010-11-16 09:38:33 <samfisher> MT`AwAy: one
616 2010-11-16 09:38:37 <Diablo-D3> samfisher: and then make bitcoind
617 2010-11-16 09:38:55 <m0mchil> hi, just wanted to let you all know that I just fixed getwork patch to handle properly recent transaction tests
618 2010-11-16 09:39:24 <samfisher> Diablo-D3: it's a little complicated for me
619 2010-11-16 09:39:33 <samfisher> where and how do i apply that patch?
620 2010-11-16 09:39:39 <Diablo-D3> ask m0
621 2010-11-16 09:39:41 <MT`AwAy> samfisher: with the unix "patch" command
622 2010-11-16 09:39:49 <Diablo-D3> speaking of which
623 2010-11-16 09:39:51 <Diablo-D3> hi m0
624 2010-11-16 09:39:55 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/16/amds-bobcat-apu-benchmarked-the-age-of-the-atom-is-at-an-end/
625 2010-11-16 09:39:59 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: raperaperaperape
626 2010-11-16 09:40:27 <MT`AwAy> http://xkcd.com/325/ bobcat?
627 2010-11-16 09:40:36 <samfisher> MT`AwAy: you have to teach me command by command
628 2010-11-16 09:40:45 <samfisher> never used the "patch" command
629 2010-11-16 09:41:15 <MT`AwAy> samfisher: cd bitcoin/src; patch -p0 </path/to/downloaded/getwork/patch.patch
630 2010-11-16 09:41:25 <m0mchil> hi devil
631 2010-11-16 09:41:34 <Diablo-D3> MT`AwAy: :D
632 2010-11-16 09:43:55 <samfisher> MT`AwAy: where do i dowload the patch from?
633 2010-11-16 09:44:36 <samfisher> MT`AwAy: found it
634 2010-11-16 09:44:37 <MT`AwAy> samfisher: google "bitcoin getwork" and find https://github.com/m0mchil/bitcoin-getwork
635 2010-11-16 09:44:55 <samfisher> yea, do i need only the patch file?
636 2010-11-16 09:45:06 <MT`AwAy> either download the .patch, OR download the 3 other files and overwrite in your sources dir
637 2010-11-16 09:46:51 <davout> o hai
638 2010-11-16 09:47:29 <MT`AwAy> (download/overwrite might be easier)
639 2010-11-16 09:47:39 <samfisher> yea
640 2010-11-16 09:49:49 <samfisher> MT`AwAy: ok. did that. now i have to build bitcoind?
641 2010-11-16 09:50:39 <samfisher> MT`AwAy: make -f makefile.unix && sudo make install  ?
642 2010-11-16 09:50:45 <MT`AwAy> samfisher: something like that
643 2010-11-16 09:51:19 <Diablo-D3> no
644 2010-11-16 09:51:25 <Diablo-D3> just make -f makefile.unix bitcoind
645 2010-11-16 09:52:23 <samfisher> ok. let me check the manual, i want to be sure i have all the deps
646 2010-11-16 09:52:46 <Diablo-D3> just building bitcoind avoids the nasty wx dep
647 2010-11-16 09:54:18 <samfisher> so i don't have to build wxwidgets?
648 2010-11-16 09:55:53 <Diablo-D3> http://www.reddit.com/r/Economics/comments/e6app/eff_begins_accepting_disruptive_new_p2p_currency/
649 2010-11-16 09:55:55 <Diablo-D3> samfisher: yes
650 2010-11-16 09:56:03 <Diablo-D3> so the reddit story has reached 104
651 2010-11-16 09:56:07 <Diablo-D3> BUT THIS ISNT ENOUGH
652 2010-11-16 09:56:16 <Diablo-D3> NOT UNTIL IT REACHES OVER NINE THOUUUSAAAAAAAND
653 2010-11-16 09:56:55 <samfisher> 104 what?
654 2010-11-16 09:58:23 <Diablo-D3> 104 up votes
655 2010-11-16 09:58:45 <samfisher> error when building
656 2010-11-16 09:58:49 <samfisher> http://pastebin.com/PpLHF7uv
657 2010-11-16 09:59:10 <Diablo-D3> what error?
658 2010-11-16 09:59:30 <Diablo-D3> I dont see one
659 2010-11-16 10:00:45 <samfisher> who-invalid setoff
660 2010-11-16 10:01:06 <Diablo-D3> um, wtf?
661 2010-11-16 10:01:10 <Diablo-D3> thats not an error
662 2010-11-16 10:01:36 <Diablo-D3> -W is a gcc flag that adds warning output
663 2010-11-16 10:02:07 <Diablo-D3> -Wno-invalid-offsetof means warn when a invalid offsetof macro is used
664 2010-11-16 10:03:30 <Diablo-D3> samfisher: btw, what version of libdb did you build bitcoind with?
665 2010-11-16 10:03:50 <samfisher> the one ubuntu took with apt-get
666 2010-11-16 10:04:03 <Diablo-D3> then its probably the wrong version
667 2010-11-16 10:04:32 <Diablo-D3> apt-get install libdb4.7-dev libdb4.7++-dev
668 2010-11-16 10:04:54 <Diablo-D3> and make -f makefile.unix clean bitcoind
669 2010-11-16 10:05:21 <samfisher> * is already the newest version.
670 2010-11-16 10:05:35 <Diablo-D3> yay it is the right one then
671 2010-11-16 10:05:36 <samfisher> the problem is now, bitcoind is freezed to this
672 2010-11-16 10:05:50 <Diablo-D3> speak english
673 2010-11-16 10:05:54 <samfisher> bitcoin server starting
674 2010-11-16 10:05:59 <Diablo-D3> yes, it started.
675 2010-11-16 10:06:23 <samfisher> how can i see my khashes?
676 2010-11-16 10:06:40 <Diablo-D3> bitcoind forks and doesn't output anything
677 2010-11-16 10:06:54 <Diablo-D3> bitcoind also doubles as a bitcoind json client
678 2010-11-16 10:07:01 <Diablo-D3> so do ./bitcoind getinfo
679 2010-11-16 10:07:36 <doublec> I'm surprised you didn't get an error about setting an RPC password
680 2010-11-16 10:08:01 <Diablo-D3> doublec: that error needs to be fixed anyhow
681 2010-11-16 10:08:05 <Diablo-D3> you need to set user AND password
682 2010-11-16 10:08:20 <samfisher> http://pastebin.com/vvTesg0x
683 2010-11-16 10:08:39 <samfisher> i set the password as requeste, in ~/.bitcoin/bitcoin.conf
684 2010-11-16 10:08:44 <Diablo-D3> samfisher: yes, why are you pastebinning it?
685 2010-11-16 10:08:52 <samfisher> because 0 khashed
686 2010-11-16 10:08:55 <doublec> samfisher, you're still downloading the block chain
687 2010-11-16 10:09:03 <samfisher> o_O
688 2010-11-16 10:09:15 <doublec> you have about 73,000 so far. We're up to 90,000 odd
689 2010-11-16 10:09:20 <samfisher> when i was using the gui i knew that
690 2010-11-16 10:09:23 <Diablo-D3> "blocks" : 92150,
691 2010-11-16 10:09:35 <samfisher> so Diablo-D3 i'll give you some 50 btc
692 2010-11-16 10:10:03 <Diablo-D3> 1414VebW9RnPXymGqrG9SnHk5RrtYHaFy8
693 2010-11-16 10:10:20 <samfisher> ok
694 2010-11-16 10:10:24 <doublec> is this a gpu miner?
695 2010-11-16 10:10:26 <Diablo-D3> samfisher: oh, and btw, its not worth cpu genning if you're doing gpu mining
696 2010-11-16 10:10:43 <samfisher> the next question i wanted to ask
697 2010-11-16 10:10:48 <Diablo-D3> samfisher: so ./bitcoind setgenerate false
698 2010-11-16 10:11:17 <doublec> doesn't that stop generation completely?
699 2010-11-16 10:11:25 <Diablo-D3> doublec: no
700 2010-11-16 10:11:31 <Diablo-D3> miners obviously ignore the setting
701 2010-11-16 10:11:33 <samfisher> why the difficulty doubled?
702 2010-11-16 10:11:42 <Diablo-D3> doubled?
703 2010-11-16 10:11:52 <Diablo-D3> "difficulty" : 4536.35372328,
704 2010-11-16 10:12:05 <samfisher> "difficulty" : 352.16120907,  and then "difficulty" : 623.38695987,
705 2010-11-16 10:12:16 <Diablo-D3> because you dont have the whole chain yet
706 2010-11-16 10:12:29 <Diablo-D3> it obviously doesnt know the correct number until its done
707 2010-11-16 10:12:56 <samfisher> obviously, i don't know, since the inner workings of bitcoin are criptic
708 2010-11-16 10:13:09 <Diablo-D3> cryptic yet mostly logical
709 2010-11-16 10:13:21 <Diablo-D3> difficulty is derived from the block chain
710 2010-11-16 10:13:53 <samfisher> so what gpu should i buy?
711 2010-11-16 10:14:05 <Diablo-D3> dont know yet
712 2010-11-16 10:14:08 <Diablo-D3> wait until 69xx comes out
713 2010-11-16 10:14:17 <samfisher> cost?
714 2010-11-16 10:14:27 <Diablo-D3> within the realm of reason
715 2010-11-16 10:15:08 <Diablo-D3> I suspect the 6970 should have impressive performance, but no one will know until Art buys one
716 2010-11-16 10:15:35 <samfisher> how soon can you generate the first 50 btcs?
717 2010-11-16 10:15:44 <samfisher> with a 9600
718 2010-11-16 10:15:46 <samfisher> nvidia
719 2010-11-16 10:15:49 <Diablo-D3> effectively never.
720 2010-11-16 10:15:54 <Diablo-D3> geforces perform like shit
721 2010-11-16 10:16:19 <samfisher> pfff
722 2010-11-16 10:16:26 <Diablo-D3> use the mhash calculator
723 2010-11-16 10:16:33 <samfisher> where is it
724 2010-11-16 10:16:39 <Diablo-D3> http://www.alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator.php
725 2010-11-16 10:17:10 <samfisher> ;block
726 2010-11-16 10:17:33 <samfisher> ;currentblock
727 2010-11-16 10:17:52 <Diablo-D3> "blocks" : 92150,
728 2010-11-16 10:19:12 <Diablo-D3> samfisher: remember to ./bitcoind stop when you're done with it
729 2010-11-16 10:19:29 <samfisher> ok
730 2010-11-16 10:19:57 <samfisher> so, it's worth investing in a good gpu?
731 2010-11-16 10:20:09 <samfisher> when will these days be gone?
732 2010-11-16 10:21:51 <samfisher> Diablo-D3: still 0 khashes http://pastebin.com/uGWZFRUh
733 2010-11-16 10:24:25 <Diablo-D3> yes, if gen is off, its going to read 0.
734 2010-11-16 10:24:54 <Diablo-D3> miners do not report back their own speed, if thats what you're wondering
735 2010-11-16 10:25:07 <samfisher> well, that i wanted to see
736 2010-11-16 10:25:11 <samfisher> how fast can i generate
737 2010-11-16 10:25:15 <Diablo-D3> the miner itself spits it out
738 2010-11-16 10:25:24 <samfisher> also, how can i see when i generated 50
739 2010-11-16 10:25:36 <samfisher> ./bitcoind showmemoney
740 2010-11-16 10:25:50 <Diablo-D3> both my and m0's miner says when they've found a candidate block
741 2010-11-16 10:26:09 <samfisher> "hashespersec" : 2308989
742 2010-11-16 10:26:18 <samfisher> with setgenerate true
743 2010-11-16 10:26:30 <Diablo-D3> so 2.3 mhash
744 2010-11-16 10:26:34 <Diablo-D3> not worth having on
745 2010-11-16 10:26:39 <samfisher> :(
746 2010-11-16 10:26:41 <samfisher> why
747 2010-11-16 10:26:46 <doublec> that's your cpu only, right?
748 2010-11-16 10:26:51 <samfisher> both
749 2010-11-16 10:26:52 <Diablo-D3> because it can effect gpu mining, and its also a waste of watts
750 2010-11-16 10:27:11 <Diablo-D3> my 4850 has a theoretical maximum of 75 mhash
751 2010-11-16 10:27:18 <Diablo-D3> and thats slow
752 2010-11-16 10:27:26 <Diablo-D3> 5970 is 6xx mhash
753 2010-11-16 10:27:28 <samfisher> 95%  6 hours, 47 minutes
754 2010-11-16 10:27:39 <samfisher> so 6 hr i can mine them
755 2010-11-16 10:27:48 <Diablo-D3> I dont think so tim
756 2010-11-16 10:27:48 <doublec> i think you put the wrong numbers in
757 2010-11-16 10:28:00 <doublec> more like 60 days
758 2010-11-16 10:28:09 <Diablo-D3> samfisher: the calculator asks for khash, not hash
759 2010-11-16 10:28:19 <Diablo-D3> samfisher: you're doing 2308 khash
760 2010-11-16 10:28:20 <samfisher> daaamn
761 2010-11-16 10:28:21 <samfisher> yes
762 2010-11-16 10:28:32 <Diablo-D3> so its like 97 days
763 2010-11-16 10:28:59 <samfisher> :(
764 2010-11-16 10:29:00 <doublec> what is your cpu?
765 2010-11-16 10:29:09 <Diablo-D3> his cpu is slower than mine
766 2010-11-16 10:29:11 <samfisher> intel e6300
767 2010-11-16 10:29:28 <doublec> ok, just curious. I get that mhash, or close to it, with cpu only on my laptop.
768 2010-11-16 10:30:09 <samfisher> 97 days
769 2010-11-16 10:30:12 <samfisher> jeez
770 2010-11-16 10:30:15 <Diablo-D3> samfisher: just leave cpu gen off and do gpu mining only
771 2010-11-16 10:31:15 <samfisher> ok, but i want to see how soon i could gen them
772 2010-11-16 10:31:44 <samfisher> because if i gen a block in 5 days
773 2010-11-16 10:31:54 <Diablo-D3> gpu. mining. use it.
774 2010-11-16 10:32:31 <samfisher> i am
775 2010-11-16 10:33:15 <samfisher> so, maybe 50 in 10 days/
776 2010-11-16 10:33:42 <samfisher> isn't any way i can see my hashrate when doing only gpu?
777 2010-11-16 10:34:02 <Diablo-D3> uh, yes, the miner spits it out
778 2010-11-16 10:34:45 <doublec> how can he tell if the gpu is working?
779 2010-11-16 10:34:57 <doublec> it sounds like it hasn't spit anything out
780 2010-11-16 10:35:34 <Diablo-D3> the miner outputs its own khash meter live
781 2010-11-16 10:37:32 <MT`AwAy> http://www.prosecurepayment.com/ <- wouldn't this kind of payment be nice for bitcoins ?
782 2010-11-16 10:38:27 <Diablo-D3> no.
783 2010-11-16 10:38:35 <Diablo-D3> doesnt stop faggots with chargebacks
784 2010-11-16 10:38:49 <MT`AwAy> yep, and 8.5% fee is way way too expensive
785 2010-11-16 10:39:06 <samfisher> Diablo-D3: i'm not sure that my gpu miner is working correctly
786 2010-11-16 10:39:19 <Diablo-D3> samfisher: how did you come to that conclusion?
787 2010-11-16 10:39:32 <samfisher> if i can't see any hashrate, i can't tell if it worths to gpu mine
788 2010-11-16 10:39:39 <Diablo-D3> how did you start it?
789 2010-11-16 10:39:52 <samfisher> ./bitcoind -gen -rpcpassword
790 2010-11-16 10:39:58 <Diablo-D3> no, the miner
791 2010-11-16 10:39:58 <samfisher> ./bitcoind -gen -rpcpassword=mypass
792 2010-11-16 10:40:09 <doublec> the miner is separate from bitcoind
793 2010-11-16 10:40:20 <joe_1> has bitcoin reached 100$ a coin yet
794 2010-11-16 10:40:20 <samfisher> ...
795 2010-11-16 10:40:42 <Diablo-D3> btw, I wasnt aware -rpcpassword was a flag
796 2010-11-16 10:40:43 <samfisher> i didn't knew, i tought the patch modifies the bitcoind
797 2010-11-16 10:40:45 <doublec> joe_1, yes and I can sell you 500 of them for that if you want...
798 2010-11-16 10:41:00 <Diablo-D3> samfisher: it modifies it so miners can access it
799 2010-11-16 10:41:01 <joe_1> ok
800 2010-11-16 10:41:05 <Diablo-D3> you still have to start the miner
801 2010-11-16 10:41:11 <samfisher> Diablo-D3: where do i get the miner from?
802 2010-11-16 10:41:22 <Diablo-D3> from m0's repo
803 2010-11-16 10:42:18 <doublec> seriously though, volume seems low on mtgox lately
804 2010-11-16 10:42:21 <Diablo-D3> https://github.com/m0mchil/poclbm/
805 2010-11-16 10:42:38 <samfisher> yes, found it
806 2010-11-16 10:42:40 <joe_1> low volume = plunge soon?
807 2010-11-16 10:42:51 <Diablo-D3> joe_1: no
808 2010-11-16 10:42:54 <Diablo-D3> it mostly means nothing
809 2010-11-16 10:43:12 <joe_1> what happened to bitcoinstore.yzyzy.yzy
810 2010-11-16 10:44:00 <joe_1> looks like they closed down, they used to sell and buy coins for dollars
811 2010-11-16 10:44:16 <joe_1> althuogh i might start using mt. gox
812 2010-11-16 10:45:52 <samfisher> Diablo-D3: Diablo-D3 i have bitcoind and those two files in a folder. started bitcoind. how to i start the miner?
813 2010-11-16 10:46:07 <Diablo-D3> ./pocosdfkjsazlkfjSZDf.py -u user -p pass
814 2010-11-16 10:46:28 <samfisher> ?
815 2010-11-16 10:46:41 <Diablo-D3> insert proper name of python script where available
816 2010-11-16 10:47:03 <samfisher> -u user has to be set in ~/.bitcoin/bitcoin.conf?
817 2010-11-16 10:47:20 <Diablo-D3> yes, its the rpcuser field
818 2010-11-16 10:49:20 <samfisher> python poclbm.py -u username -p mypass
819 2010-11-16 10:49:28 <Diablo-D3> yes
820 2010-11-16 10:49:30 <samfisher> Traceback (most recent call last):
821 2010-11-16 10:49:40 <Diablo-D3> you dont have the jsonrpc module installed
822 2010-11-16 10:49:43 <Diablo-D3> what distro are you on?
823 2010-11-16 10:49:48 <samfisher> ubuntu 10.10
824 2010-11-16 10:49:57 <Diablo-D3> I dont know if ubuntu packages it
825 2010-11-16 10:50:32 <samfisher> i' so lucky
826 2010-11-16 10:50:45 <Diablo-D3> if it doesnt, just install it yourself http://json-rpc.org/wiki/python-json-rpc
827 2010-11-16 10:52:07 <samfisher> did that
828 2010-11-16 10:52:08 <samfisher> Traceback (most recent call last):
829 2010-11-16 10:52:09 <samfisher> platform = cl.get_platforms()[0]
830 2010-11-16 10:52:30 <Diablo-D3> your nvidia drivers probably arent up to date
831 2010-11-16 10:52:41 <Diablo-D3> you apt-got pyopencl right?
832 2010-11-16 10:52:51 <samfisher> it's amazing how you can resist with me
833 2010-11-16 10:53:58 <Diablo-D3> because on debian, that automatically pulls in nvidia-opencl-icd and nvidia-libopencl1
834 2010-11-16 10:54:05 <Diablo-D3> though I dont know what they're called in ubuntu
835 2010-11-16 10:54:19 <Diablo-D3> I suspect either your driver is out of date, or you dont have those packages installed
836 2010-11-16 10:54:38 <samfisher> i'm upgrading the drivers
837 2010-11-16 10:54:55 <Diablo-D3> do NOT use nvidia's installer shit
838 2010-11-16 10:54:58 <Diablo-D3> it will fuck your system up
839 2010-11-16 10:55:00 <samfisher> but?
840 2010-11-16 10:55:31 <Diablo-D3> afiak 10.10 already has the newest version
841 2010-11-16 10:55:37 <Diablo-D3> so make sure you have all the right packages installed
842 2010-11-16 10:57:09 <samfisher> i can't find those packages in ubuntu
843 2010-11-16 10:57:18 <Diablo-D3> apt-cache search nvidia | grep opencl
844 2010-11-16 10:57:39 <samfisher> nothing
845 2010-11-16 10:59:01 <Diablo-D3> wtf ubuntu
846 2010-11-16 11:00:11 <Diablo-D3> huh
847 2010-11-16 11:00:15 <Diablo-D3> apparently its in nvidia-current
848 2010-11-16 11:00:38 <samfisher> nvidia-current is already the newest version.
849 2010-11-16 11:00:43 <samfisher> i'm installing the nvidia drivers
850 2010-11-16 11:00:47 <Diablo-D3> no you're not.
851 2010-11-16 11:00:50 <samfisher> ok
852 2010-11-16 11:00:53 <Diablo-D3> are you SURE you're using the nvidia drivers and not nv?
853 2010-11-16 11:01:00 <samfisher> no
854 2010-11-16 11:01:09 <samfisher> i had fresh install of ubuntu
855 2010-11-16 11:01:47 <Diablo-D3> system->admin->additional drivers
856 2010-11-16 11:01:49 <Diablo-D3> turn nvidia on
857 2010-11-16 11:03:30 <samfisher> done it
858 2010-11-16 11:03:40 <Diablo-D3> reboot and try again
859 2010-11-16 11:03:58 <samfisher> ok. brb
860 2010-11-16 11:06:27 <samfisher> Traceback (most recent call last):
861 2010-11-16 11:06:28 <samfisher> ImportError: No module named pyopencl
862 2010-11-16 11:06:35 <samfisher> nothing greater
863 2010-11-16 11:06:46 <Diablo-D3> how the hell did you manage that
864 2010-11-16 11:07:07 <samfisher> managed what?
865 2010-11-16 11:07:22 <Diablo-D3> to break pyopencl
866 2010-11-16 11:07:44 <samfisher> i really have no idea
867 2010-11-16 11:11:20 <samfisher> Diablo-D3: http://pastebin.com/dmNVP6Rs
868 2010-11-16 11:11:39 <samfisher> i did an apt-get install python-pyopencl
869 2010-11-16 11:11:58 <Diablo-D3> ....
870 2010-11-16 11:12:09 <Diablo-D3> ls -al /usr/lib/libOpenCL*
871 2010-11-16 11:12:42 <samfisher> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 2010-11-16 14:09 /usr/lib/libOpenCL.so -> nvidia-current/libOpenCL.so
872 2010-11-16 11:13:36 <Diablo-D3> sudo ln -s /usr/lib/nvidia-current/libOpenCL.so /usr/lib/libOpenCL.so.1
873 2010-11-16 11:13:49 <Diablo-D3> I hate ubuntu
874 2010-11-16 11:14:08 <LobsterMan> does anyone know where i can find the .14 getwork win32 exe file? i accidentally deleted mine and .15 is giving me some problems <_<
875 2010-11-16 11:14:10 <samfisher> ok, did the link
876 2010-11-16 11:14:32 <m0mchil> LobsterMan, waht problems with 15
877 2010-11-16 11:14:42 <LobsterMan> my hash rate keeps dropping
878 2010-11-16 11:14:46 <samfisher> Traceback (most recent call last):
879 2010-11-16 11:14:52 <LobsterMan> it's like the miner's stop for a second or so every so often
880 2010-11-16 11:14:55 <m0mchil> just fixed this, download latest from froum link
881 2010-11-16 11:15:11 <LobsterMan> ah ok
882 2010-11-16 11:15:28 <Diablo-D3> samfisher: what does glxinfo | grep OpenGL say
883 2010-11-16 11:15:52 <samfisher> to install glxinfo
884 2010-11-16 11:16:11 <Diablo-D3> mesa-utils
885 2010-11-16 11:16:20 <samfisher> yea
886 2010-11-16 11:16:25 <samfisher> i did it, but same error
887 2010-11-16 11:16:55 <Diablo-D3> why is ubuntu such shit?
888 2010-11-16 11:16:57 <dsg> m0mchil: Could you please add a '-s' option to your miner to use HTTPS for bitcoin RPC?
889 2010-11-16 11:16:58 <Diablo-D3> thats all I wanna know
890 2010-11-16 11:17:14 <samfisher> slackware was harder
891 2010-11-16 11:17:32 <Diablo-D3> samfisher: /usr/bin/glxinfo | grep OpenGL
892 2010-11-16 11:17:34 <LobsterMan> m0mchil what was causing the problems with the other version?
893 2010-11-16 11:17:45 <m0mchil> dsg, perhaps, not sure if python-jsonrpc supports it
894 2010-11-16 11:18:11 <Diablo-D3> DiabloJSONRPC supports it :D
895 2010-11-16 11:18:13 <dsg> m0mchil: Yeah, it works fine if you change http for https :)
896 2010-11-16 11:18:22 <dsg> m0mchil: Just more problem for the precompiled windows miner
897 2010-11-16 11:18:23 <samfisher> Diablo-D3: http://pastebin.com/YdwmpUZi
898 2010-11-16 11:18:39 <Diablo-D3> samfisher: you dont have nvidia drivers functioning
899 2010-11-16 11:18:41 <m0mchil> LobsterMan, the problem is with the many test transactions recently... my patch didn't wait enough between including the transactions in block, hogging CPU
900 2010-11-16 11:18:52 <LobsterMan> ^_^
901 2010-11-16 11:18:54 <samfisher> Diablo-D3: man, but i enabled them
902 2010-11-16 11:18:59 <Diablo-D3> samfisher: double check system -> admin -> additional drivers
903 2010-11-16 11:19:34 <Diablo-D3> is it still checked?
904 2010-11-16 11:19:37 <samfisher> no
905 2010-11-16 11:19:43 <samfisher> was unchecked
906 2010-11-16 11:19:45 <Diablo-D3> lsmod | grep nvidia
907 2010-11-16 11:19:49 <Diablo-D3> does it list anything?
908 2010-11-16 11:20:08 <samfisher> no
909 2010-11-16 11:20:28 <Diablo-D3> dpkg -l | grep linux-image
910 2010-11-16 11:21:06 <samfisher> http://pastebin.com/wve2XYGU
911 2010-11-16 11:22:02 <Diablo-D3> erm, isnt that a 32 bit kernel?
912 2010-11-16 11:22:09 <Diablo-D3> you're on 64 bit hardware
913 2010-11-16 11:22:26 <samfisher> yes
914 2010-11-16 11:22:30 <samfisher> but it should work ok
915 2010-11-16 11:22:45 <Diablo-D3> "work" in the sense that you're giving up about 15% performance for no reason
916 2010-11-16 11:23:17 <samfisher> if it won't affect mining 15% i'll go with it
917 2010-11-16 11:23:25 <Diablo-D3> it might, who knows
918 2010-11-16 11:23:44 <samfisher> anyway, i'll let it this way
919 2010-11-16 11:23:50 <doublec> bitcoind 0.3.15 seems to sit at 2% cpu usage constantly
920 2010-11-16 11:23:55 <samfisher> i just want to see how i can mine
921 2010-11-16 11:23:57 <doublec> I don't recall prior versions of bitcoin doing that
922 2010-11-16 11:24:42 <Diablo-D3> apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.32-25-generic-pae
923 2010-11-16 11:25:50 <samfisher> no package with this name
924 2010-11-16 11:26:21 <Diablo-D3> http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux-headers-2.6.32-25-generic-pae_2.6.32-25.45_i386.deb
925 2010-11-16 11:26:26 <Diablo-D3> just wget it and dpkg -i it
926 2010-11-16 11:27:03 <samfisher> done
927 2010-11-16 11:27:54 <Diablo-D3> now try turning nvidia on again and rebooting
928 2010-11-16 11:28:52 <samfisher> nvidia are enabled
929 2010-11-16 11:29:13 <Diablo-D3> after a reboot?
930 2010-11-16 11:29:24 <samfisher> no, now
931 2010-11-16 11:29:33 <Diablo-D3> yes, but you _have to reboot first_
932 2010-11-16 11:29:40 <samfisher> ok. brb
933 2010-11-16 13:22:24 <brocktice> m0mchil: You fixed the problem in the bitcoin-getwork git?
934 2010-11-16 13:22:34 <brocktice> It looks to me like there's a memory leak
935 2010-11-16 13:22:46 <brocktice> After running all night bitcoind was taking up a gig of RAM and hogging CPU.
936 2010-11-16 13:23:48 <m0mchil> hm, didn't noticed memory leak, even with the non-fixed version
937 2010-11-16 13:24:16 <brocktice> I'm not sure if it's a problem with bitcoind or the patch
938 2010-11-16 13:24:25 <brocktice> I thought I'd come ask if anyone else had seen it before trying to track it down.
939 2010-11-16 13:24:30 <m0mchil> try with latest patch... it just adds wait period of 60 seconds before processing new transactions (as in original client)
940 2010-11-16 13:24:48 <brocktice> ok may run it in valgrind as well
941 2010-11-16 13:25:09 <brocktice> m0mchil: I continue to work on revamping the miner, but I don't have a lot of time and I'm still trying to understand the whole thing.
942 2010-11-16 13:25:18 <brocktice> minerd continues to work well for the most part but it needs fixes
943 2010-11-16 13:25:28 <brocktice> and I want to add double-buffering like Art uses.
944 2010-11-16 13:26:04 <m0mchil> ask, I'll try to help
945 2010-11-16 13:26:25 <brocktice> OK, once I figure out a few more things I will ask if I have specific questions.
946 2010-11-16 13:26:39 <brocktice> I should learn more about OpenCL anyway for work so it's two-for-one
947 2010-11-16 13:27:38 <brocktice> I'll watch this one for memory leaks and then if it's still doing it I'll run it in valgrind.
948 2010-11-16 13:27:44 <brocktice> got it built and running on Linux
949 2010-11-16 13:27:47 <brocktice> m0mchil: are you running on Windows?
950 2010-11-16 13:28:19 <m0mchil> yes, with 5770... and two 5970s on a debian squeeze
951 2010-11-16 13:28:57 <brocktice> Ah, by the way XxMalinxX said he's running two 5970s on windows, strangely enough he had to crossfire them
952 2010-11-16 13:29:01 <brocktice> then it worked at full speed
953 2010-11-16 13:29:04 <brocktice> (with a cable)
954 2010-11-16 13:30:17 <m0mchil> is he sure it works?
955 2010-11-16 13:30:51 <brocktice> Last I heard.
956 2010-11-16 13:31:03 <brocktice> I'll check again when he comes back on and see if it still seems to be working.
957 2010-11-16 13:43:12 <Diablo-D3> hmm
958 2010-11-16 13:43:16 <Diablo-D3> samfisher never came back
959 2010-11-16 13:43:51 <Diablo-D3> m0mchil: btw, did you see a slowdown with 10.10?
960 2010-11-16 13:44:16 <m0mchil> still with 10.9
961 2010-11-16 13:44:24 <Diablo-D3> hmm