1 2010-11-22 00:10:41 <brocktice> anarchy: 60A?
  2 2010-11-22 00:10:49 <brocktice> That's pretty damn low
  3 2010-11-22 00:12:08 <brocktice> finally cleaned up the damn tubes with the addition of a right-angle fitting: http://www.flickr.com/photos/brocktice/5195604987/
  4 2010-11-22 00:12:19 <brocktice> It's still not pretty but it's functional
  5 2010-11-22 00:12:40 <brocktice> and it fits in 4u
  6 2010-11-22 00:13:05 <AAA_awright> How much money are we spending to get a few Bitcoins?
  7 2010-11-22 00:13:22 <ArtForz> hmmm... that case looks like it might have airflow issues
  8 2010-11-22 00:13:41 <AAA_awright> I mean, is that profitable?
  9 2010-11-22 00:13:43 <ArtForz> you have 3 120mm intake at the front, and only 2 80mm + PSU at the back
 10 2010-11-22 00:14:17 <brocktice> ArtForz: well, the cards have vents
 11 2010-11-22 00:14:29 <ArtForz> yeah, but except for the cards it doesnt look like theres a lot of vent holes in the back
 12 2010-11-22 00:14:51 <ArtForz> might try replacing the empty slot brackets with grilled ones
 13 2010-11-22 00:15:03 <brocktice> ArtForz: I actually was thinking of putting a dedicated blower there
 14 2010-11-22 00:15:59 <ArtForz> otherwise a nice build
 15 2010-11-22 00:16:40 <brocktice> thanks
 16 2010-11-22 00:16:47 <brocktice> cable ties would go a long way
 17 2010-11-22 00:16:49 <brocktice> one day when I have time
 18 2010-11-22 00:17:15 <ArtForz> the case builders version of "if it compiles, ship it" ;)
 19 2010-11-22 00:18:54 <ArtForz> you could also replace the ultra kazes with 20-30W deltas and have it *sound* like a server ;)
 20 2010-11-22 00:19:19 <brocktice> ArtForz: it's 1 foot from my knee and I make conference calls from here, so, no
 21 2010-11-22 00:19:24 <ArtForz> ouch
 22 2010-11-22 00:19:28 <brocktice> If I did that I could probably cram 3 5970s in
 23 2010-11-22 00:19:32 <ArtForz> yeah
 24 2010-11-22 00:19:34 <ArtForz> given enough airflow a 360mm rad should be enough for 4 cards
 25 2010-11-22 00:19:35 <brocktice> as it is I don't think the rad can handle it
 26 2010-11-22 00:19:39 <brocktice> push/pull would help too
 27 2010-11-22 00:19:45 <brocktice> I could squeeze it in, but it's working for now
 28 2010-11-22 00:19:59 <brocktice> one of those 450W GPU PSUs would fit in toward the 'top' of the pic there, too
 29 2010-11-22 00:20:48 <ArtForz> yeah, 1200W main + 400-500W aux gpu
 30 2010-11-22 00:21:15 <ArtForz> or a 1500W+ main, but those are hard to find
 31 2010-11-22 00:21:19 <brocktice> yeah
 32 2010-11-22 00:21:24 <brocktice> it was nice that it was easy to yank out all the drive bays
 33 2010-11-22 00:21:34 <brocktice> and that foam is reused from the product packaging :)
 34 2010-11-22 00:21:47 <ArtForz> they're usually just screwed in on most rackmount cases
 35 2010-11-22 00:21:52 <brocktice> yep
 36 2010-11-22 00:21:57 <brocktice> brb
 37 2010-11-22 00:21:58 <ArtForz> except for the really cheap stuff, those are spot welded
 38 2010-11-22 00:22:03 <ArtForz> ... usually
 39 2010-11-22 00:24:21 <brocktice> back
 40 2010-11-22 00:24:42 <brocktice> ArtForz: I'm trying to figure out how to get more cool air to my PSU
 41 2010-11-22 00:24:54 <brocktice> thought of making some plastic or cardboard ducting over the top of the radiator
 42 2010-11-22 00:25:19 <brocktice> Now that I'm back to two 5970s it's not such a big deal though
 43 2010-11-22 00:25:28 <brocktice> ~930W at plug
 44 2010-11-22 00:27:36 <ArtForz> btw, I killed my 2nd 1kW PSU
 45 2010-11-22 00:27:40 <brocktice> :(
 46 2010-11-22 00:27:50 <brocktice> ArtForz: Slayer of PSUs
 47 2010-11-22 00:28:04 <ArtForz> first one was probably a manufacturing defect, at 800W it suddenly went *bang*
 48 2010-11-22 00:28:50 <ArtForz> second one ran at 1100W @ the plug for a few hours, then just shut down
 49 2010-11-22 00:29:47 <ArtForz> and smelled like magic smoke
 50 2010-11-22 00:30:17 <ArtForz> looks like one complete bank of mosfets on the 12V rectification blew up
 51 2010-11-22 00:31:12 <ArtForz> 2 banks @ 3*IRFB3206 each
 52 2010-11-22 00:31:31 <brocktice> Ah the smell of magic smoke
 53 2010-11-22 00:31:37 <brocktice> been a while, fortunately
 54 2010-11-22 00:31:38 <ArtForz> each one rated @ 120A continous
 55 2010-11-22 00:32:04 <ArtForz> and they blew up pretty good
 56 2010-11-22 00:33:22 <ArtForz> I have an idea about what happened, but I have to check the whole thing more closely
 57 2010-11-22 00:33:36 <brocktice> this has potential: http://www.amazon.com/Antec-CYCLONE-3-SPEED-Exhuast-Expansion/dp/B0007MGEO2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1290389573&sr=8-1
 58 2010-11-22 00:33:48 <ArtForz> the 3 FETs in each bank are simply paralleled
 59 2010-11-22 00:34:20 <ArtForz> where would it pull air from? it's flanked by cards
 60 2010-11-22 00:34:36 <brocktice> it would have room on the CPU side for sure
 61 2010-11-22 00:34:47 <brocktice> not so much on the other side
 62 2010-11-22 00:34:53 <ArtForz> ahhh. true
 63 2010-11-22 00:36:10 <brocktice> I need more pics of that thing
 64 2010-11-22 00:37:07 <brocktice> seems to pull from both sides but I'd probably be better off with a smaller faster one that pulled from cpu side only
 65 2010-11-22 00:37:47 <brocktice> like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835119065
 66 2010-11-22 00:38:00 <brocktice> faster and quieter according to specs
 67 2010-11-22 00:39:35 <ArtForz> neat
 68 2010-11-22 00:41:36 <Kiba> http://ub.yepcorp.com/file/download/8
 69 2010-11-22 00:41:45 <brocktice> pag?
 70 2010-11-22 00:41:58 <Kiba> it's a sketch
 71 2010-11-22 00:42:06 <brocktice> It says 'pag' on my screen
 72 2010-11-22 00:42:09 <brocktice> js required?
 73 2010-11-22 00:42:25 <Kiba> it's...dead?
 74 2010-11-22 00:54:20 <MT`AwAy> seems so
 75 2010-11-22 00:55:20 <Kiba> Hippich is investigating it
 76 2010-11-22 00:55:23 <brocktice> ArtForz: do you know where aticonfig --odcc stores its data?
 77 2010-11-22 00:55:37 <ArtForz> odcc?
 78 2010-11-22 00:55:45 <ArtForz> ahhh, commit clocks
 79 2010-11-22 00:56:19 <ArtForz> probably in /etc/ati/amdpcsdb
 80 2010-11-22 00:57:01 <ArtForz> AMD Persistent Config Store DataBase
 81 2010-11-22 00:57:01 <brocktice> yep
 82 2010-11-22 00:57:07 <brocktice> there it is
 83 2010-11-22 00:57:15 <brocktice> noticed that restarting X hosed my scripted core speeds
 84 2010-11-22 00:57:27 <brocktice> hopefully that will alleviate the problem
 85 2010-11-22 00:57:50 <brocktice> I thought it was maybe in xorg.conf but didn't see it anywhere there
 86 2010-11-22 00:58:15 <brocktice> ;;bc,estimate
 87 2010-11-22 00:58:16 <gribble> 6697.77385748
 88 2010-11-22 00:58:19 <brocktice> ;;bc,stats
 89 2010-11-22 00:58:21 <gribble> Current Blocks: 93200 | Current Difficulty: 6866.89864897 | Next Difficulty At Block: 94752 | Next Difficulty In: 1552 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 1 hour, 11 minutes, and 53 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6697.77385748
 90 2010-11-22 01:17:24 <xelister> everyone sleeps?  next person to reply will get 10000/(10^seconds) BTCs from me, rounded down by 10...
 91 2010-11-22 01:17:26 <xelister> offering 10000
 92 2010-11-22 01:17:29 <xelister> offering 1000
 93 2010-11-22 01:17:32 <xelister> offering 100
 94 2010-11-22 01:17:39 <xelister> offering 10
 95 2010-11-22 01:17:56 <xelister> eh that will teach you guys to sleep on chan. ;)  1 btc anyone?
 96 2010-11-22 01:18:12 <brocktice> sure
 97 2010-11-22 01:18:23 <xelister> if only you responded 3 or like 6 sec before :P
 98 2010-11-22 01:18:37 <brocktice> 1ArQDXF8DPY5Y1bVcGQqqNFZxtNczmzFYo
 99 2010-11-22 01:18:42 <brocktice> hey, a bitcoin is a bitcoin
100 2010-11-22 01:18:50 <xelister> tooo late :P
101 2010-11-22 01:18:55 <xelister> brocktice: you run miner on windows right?
102 2010-11-22 01:19:00 <brocktice> no, linux
103 2010-11-22 01:19:05 <brocktice> 20:16 < xelister> eh that will teach you guys to sleep on chan. ;)  1 btc anyone?
104 2010-11-22 01:19:07 <xelister> what distro?
105 2010-11-22 01:19:12 <brocktice> ubuntu 10.04 server
106 2010-11-22 01:19:17 <xelister> hmm hmm
107 2010-11-22 01:19:35 <xelister> do you have anyone with windows also, and gpu capable of some generating?
108 2010-11-22 01:19:43 <brocktice> LobsterMan I think?
109 2010-11-22 01:19:50 <brocktice> And Malin?
110 2010-11-22 01:20:25 <brocktice> xelister: finally posted a picture of it with the water cooling today when I reworked the tube routing: http://www.flickr.com/photos/brocktice/5195604987/#/photos/brocktice/5195604987/lightbox/
111 2010-11-22 01:21:57 <Kiba> I wonder. desoldering heat the component that I am trying to dismantle. Is that bad?
112 2010-11-22 01:22:08 <brocktice> Kiba: what's the component?
113 2010-11-22 01:22:16 <xelister> looks interesting
114 2010-11-22 01:22:29 <xelister> Kiba: depends on how much ;)
115 2010-11-22 01:22:37 <brocktice> xelister: the black foam on the front seals the lid over the radiator
116 2010-11-22 01:22:43 <brocktice> to force it to suck air in from the front of the case
117 2010-11-22 01:23:09 <Kiba> a transitor of some kind
118 2010-11-22 01:23:30 <xelister> Kiba: dunno... try it and see
119 2010-11-22 01:23:54 <Kiba> is that...a steel mesh?
120 2010-11-22 01:24:02 <brocktice> no? where?
121 2010-11-22 01:25:20 <brocktice> here's the front: http://www.flickr.com/photos/brocktice/5167159926/in/photostream/
122 2010-11-22 01:25:28 <xelister> brocktice: I send you the coin :) perhaps later you can help me with post to forum about my website related to bitcoin ;)
123 2010-11-22 01:25:39 <Kiba> brocktice: right
124 2010-11-22 01:25:43 <brocktice> xelister: sure, perhaps
125 2010-11-22 01:25:45 <xelister> brocktice: btw, say when you received it. how fast exactly this works now
126 2010-11-22 01:25:55 <brocktice> Oh I saw it as soon as you said that
127 2010-11-22 01:26:12 <xelister> we need a ka-ching! sound in the gui lol
128 2010-11-22 01:26:13 <brocktice> BTW I saw after the fact that you had given it as 10000/(10^seconds)
129 2010-11-22 01:26:24 <xelister> brocktice: ;)
130 2010-11-22 01:26:29 <brocktice> so I guess I didn't actually qualify, I can send it back.
131 2010-11-22 01:26:45 <xelister> you can in return test my miner later
132 2010-11-22 01:26:54 <brocktice> k sure
133 2010-11-22 01:26:58 <xelister> its based on diablos, but sends bitcoins and report to centrall server
134 2010-11-22 01:27:02 <brocktice> ah
135 2010-11-22 01:27:10 <brocktice> I have a little script for that, I think many people do
136 2010-11-22 01:27:13 <xelister> you can set the sending to just 0 or 1% to test etc
137 2010-11-22 01:27:23 <Kiba> people getting serious about the optimization of their mining rig
138 2010-11-22 01:27:26 <brocktice> send_bitcoins_home.sh
139 2010-11-22 01:27:34 <brocktice> Kiba: yeah, now mine emails me when it finds one
140 2010-11-22 01:27:36 <xelister> well I think there is not much to improve in the miners, they od their job
141 2010-11-22 01:27:42 <xelister> perhaps I will add nicer stats and shit
142 2010-11-22 01:27:46 <brocktice> usability, low maintenance
143 2010-11-22 01:27:51 <xelister> and pause / slowdown throlle
144 2010-11-22 01:28:00 <brocktice> I'm adding checks to mine to monitor temps, hangs etc.
145 2010-11-22 01:28:07 <brocktice> It already emails me if a gpu stops hashing.
146 2010-11-22 01:28:10 <brocktice> (failed overclock)
147 2010-11-22 01:28:13 <xelister> m0m's liked to hang if it was OC
148 2010-11-22 01:28:16 <xelister> haha same problem then? :)
149 2010-11-22 01:28:21 <brocktice> it's m0m's kernel
150 2010-11-22 01:28:29 <brocktice> I forked it, changed the python
151 2010-11-22 01:28:32 <xelister> I found out that m0m's was hanging, and later that both where crashing the computer
152 2010-11-22 01:28:41 <xelister> it turned out, that apparenlty
153 2010-11-22 01:28:44 <xelister> was too high OC
154 2010-11-22 01:29:03 <brocktice> https://github.com/brocktice/poclbm
155 2010-11-22 01:29:24 <brocktice> minerd.py is my version
156 2010-11-22 01:29:24 <xelister> I think I will though use the java's one,
157 2010-11-22 01:29:32 <brocktice> check_gpus.sh works with the log output
158 2010-11-22 01:29:33 <brocktice> sure
159 2010-11-22 01:29:35 <xelister> because it is I guess easier to distribute to all platforms
160 2010-11-22 01:29:43 <xelister> was thiking for some days about it
161 2010-11-22 01:29:53 <brocktice> as long as you can get around those bugs where it doesn't work right / fast enough :)
162 2010-11-22 01:29:56 <xelister> it seems java's will work all windows + all linuxes just with JRE
163 2010-11-22 01:30:03 <xelister> I fixed this
164 2010-11-22 01:30:22 <brocktice> Yeah I'm putting Linux-specific code in my python miner now anyway
165 2010-11-22 01:30:25 <xelister> need to add auto-detect code to switch to proper .cl using/not using amd bitalign (needed for 5xxx radeons)
166 2010-11-22 01:30:30 <brocktice> I don't really care at all if it runs on Windows.
167 2010-11-22 01:30:55 <brocktice> I'm building it into a dedicated mining daemon for dedicated mining hardware.
168 2010-11-22 01:31:02 <brocktice> And why run dedicated mining hardware on windows?
169 2010-11-22 01:31:18 <xelister> ;)
170 2010-11-22 01:31:25 <xelister> btw
171 2010-11-22 01:31:34 <xelister> would any of you be interested
172 2010-11-22 01:31:38 <xelister> in buying a miner?
173 2010-11-22 01:31:44 <brocktice> I'm all set
174 2010-11-22 01:31:50 <Kiba> how much does it cost?
175 2010-11-22 01:31:52 <xelister> no, I mean like
176 2010-11-22 01:31:57 <brocktice> I'll wait until this one has paid itself off before I consider building more hardware
177 2010-11-22 01:32:09 <Kiba> amortalization.
178 2010-11-22 01:32:12 <xelister> pay now XXX BCs, and get guaranteed XXXXXX GHash/sec for next 30 days
179 2010-11-22 01:32:27 <brocktice> a-mortalization?
180 2010-11-22 01:32:27 <xelister> or shorter/longer time
181 2010-11-22 01:32:28 <brocktice> I want that
182 2010-11-22 01:32:28 <Kiba> is there any incentives?
183 2010-11-22 01:32:46 <ArtForz> didnt tcatm already do that?
184 2010-11-22 01:32:56 <Kiba> I don't get the incentives
185 2010-11-22 01:33:06 <brocktice> Kiba: if diff goes way up it could pay off
186 2010-11-22 01:33:14 <xelister> in this setup I do not have the risk that changes in difficulty or exchanged rate will make it bad for me,  and the buyer gets access Ghashes without hassle
187 2010-11-22 01:33:29 <brocktice> oh nm
188 2010-11-22 01:33:41 <Kiba> so, umm..
189 2010-11-22 01:33:48 <brocktice> shares in a miner. tcatm sold shares in a miner?
190 2010-11-22 01:33:51 <xelister> I dont know exactly yet
191 2010-11-22 01:33:54 <brocktice> I was considering doing so
192 2010-11-22 01:33:58 <brocktice> need to heat my basement living room
193 2010-11-22 01:33:59 <xelister> it will be calculated to be fair for everyone
194 2010-11-22 01:34:30 <xelister> it will be so that it will pay off unless the market collapses in next 30 days
195 2010-11-22 01:34:34 <ArtForz> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1360.0
196 2010-11-22 01:34:41 <xelister> so overall the buyer of shares acts like insurance I guess :)
197 2010-11-22 01:35:01 <xelister> woooo we are now business insurance institutions o/ almost like FED.  how cool open source money is?? ;)
198 2010-11-22 01:36:29 <Kiba> insurance against what?
199 2010-11-22 01:37:29 <brocktice> speaking of sleeping in the channel
200 2010-11-22 01:37:51 <brocktice> I've got other stuff to do tonight. You can leave me messages here xelister if you want me to test something later.
201 2010-11-22 01:38:15 <xelister> Kiba: insurrance against market collaps.  both really should not happen, but there is some chance
202 2010-11-22 01:38:30 <xelister> brocktice: ok. or PM. well, it could take few days before "relese", will see yet :
203 2010-11-22 01:38:32 <xelister> :)
204 2010-11-22 01:44:37 <xelister> paytxfee - whats up with that? do I set that on my node? or how this owkrs now
205 2010-11-22 01:47:56 <davex__> there's no point in paying that now afaik
206 2010-11-22 01:49:01 <davex__> but if you do pay it, it ends up with whoever generates the next block (i think)
207 2010-11-22 01:53:54 <AAA_awright> Isn't that a maximum and not a price?
208 2010-11-22 01:55:27 <jgarzik> xelister: -paytxfee=NN.NN on command line, to add that TX fee to each TX
209 2010-11-22 01:55:52 <xelister> what exactly this means - why would one use that?
210 2010-11-22 01:55:54 <jgarzik> xelister: if free spam continues to fill up free TX, it -might- help speed up your TX's
211 2010-11-22 01:56:19 <jgarzik> xelister: raises your priority.  if free TX area fills up, you must wait for next block, unless you pay TX fee.
212 2010-11-22 01:56:41 <jgarzik> of course, simply sending a non-spam transaction for free should give you priority over spam transactions
213 2010-11-22 01:56:47 <xelister> so this is volounteray money that I wish to spend so that my transaction will be processed higher?  ok
214 2010-11-22 01:56:58 <jgarzik> xelister: correct
215 2010-11-22 01:56:58 <xelister> and the fees go to next block generator as addition to 50btc?
216 2010-11-22 01:57:02 <jgarzik> xelister: correct
217 2010-11-22 01:57:09 <xelister> cool idea
218 2010-11-22 01:57:27 <xelister> seriously BTC is more comfortable then banks
219 2010-11-22 01:57:50 <jgarzik> with low volume, it is pointless to pay TX fee, because each block reserves small area for free TX.
220 2010-11-22 01:57:58 <xelister> then fucking with SWIFT, reading 25 page agreement to know how much I will pay for transfer, when, and how much pay extra to have it done quicker
221 2010-11-22 01:58:05 <jgarzik> once free TX area fills up, you must (a) pay fee or (b) wait until next block
222 2010-11-22 01:58:09 <xelister> no crappy looking for my bank details, address, BIC code etc
223 2010-11-22 01:59:02 <xelister> last time I was waiting like 14 days for DE->PL transfer (inside Eu, in EURO) !!!
224 2010-11-22 01:59:13 <xelister> I think I will recommend btc to my cunstomers.
225 2010-11-22 01:59:53 <xelister> (usually DE->PL is around 2-4 days)
226 2010-11-22 02:00:18 <xelister> if you think about it, normal banks such a huge cock, why they do it sooo sloowlllyyyyy. It was not a milion dolar or something
227 2010-11-22 02:18:15 <jgarzik> SVN r187:
228 2010-11-22 02:18:16 <jgarzik> added transaction fee setting in UI options menu,
229 2010-11-22 02:22:27 <davex__> block generation time is more-or-less constant, right?
230 2010-11-22 02:23:34 <nanotube> cut free transaction area? what's the new fee schedule, then?
231 2010-11-22 02:35:04 <xelister> btw what if satoshi one day releases officiall version that changes the protocol, and amongs other rhings, attributes 10 BTC from each block to some account 1bc561sda2x...
232 2010-11-22 02:39:26 <ArtForz> then everyone with half a brain cell switches to a fork
233 2010-11-22 02:45:05 <Kiba> man
234 2010-11-22 02:45:09 <Kiba> I wish my scanner work
235 2010-11-22 02:45:39 <Kiba> IT's decided.
236 2010-11-22 02:45:44 <Kiba> I will work one hour a day
237 2010-11-22 02:45:49 <xelister> ArtForz: yeah but who has rights to "BTC" "bitcoin" etc
238 2010-11-22 02:45:52 <Kiba> then put up my artwork for downloading
239 2010-11-22 02:46:58 <xelister> Kiba: is there some /free/ /thumbnail/ or something
240 2010-11-22 02:47:00 <xelister> :)
241 2010-11-22 02:47:41 <Kiba> I don't know. I have not put up a gallery yet.
242 2010-11-22 02:48:45 <OneFixt> ;;bc,stats
243 2010-11-22 02:48:48 <gribble> Current Blocks: 93207 | Current Difficulty: 6866.89864897 | Next Difficulty At Block: 94752 | Next Difficulty In: 1545 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 2 hours, 1 minute, and 56 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6646.65770304
244 2010-11-22 03:00:49 <Diablo-D3> huh
245 2010-11-22 03:00:50 <xelister> diff will be lower?
246 2010-11-22 03:00:52 <Diablo-D3> this is interesting
247 2010-11-22 03:00:58 <Diablo-D3> the way I coded my miner
248 2010-11-22 03:01:00 <xelister> happened before
249 2010-11-22 03:01:09 <Diablo-D3> there is no penalty for low framerates
250 2010-11-22 03:01:21 <Diablo-D3> because it never blocks X
251 2010-11-22 03:01:21 <xelister> hm?
252 2010-11-22 03:01:25 <Diablo-D3> it only blocks my app
253 2010-11-22 03:01:26 <xelister> need -f 120 to work smoothly
254 2010-11-22 03:01:34 <Diablo-D3> xelister: not on my hardware.
255 2010-11-22 03:01:36 <xelister> if default or -f 30
256 2010-11-22 03:01:42 <xelister> then it APPEARS to work smoothly
257 2010-11-22 03:01:43 <xelister> but
258 2010-11-22 03:02:01 <xelister> if you move mouse cursor a lot, in example in front of kde apps like kmail, THEN it slows down (huh?) and cpu usage goes to max
259 2010-11-22 03:02:09 <xelister> on -f 120 all is fine
260 2010-11-22 03:02:10 <Diablo-D3> hrm
261 2010-11-22 03:02:15 <Diablo-D3> well -f 60 SHOULD be fine
262 2010-11-22 03:02:29 <xelister> perhaps it is fine as well
263 2010-11-22 03:02:30 <Diablo-D3> but qt is probably fucking up
264 2010-11-22 03:02:44 <xelister> well by slowing down I ment
265 2010-11-22 03:02:55 <xelister> slow down as shit  CAN'T HIT SHIT SIR
266 2010-11-22 03:03:04 <Diablo-D3> yeah bu
267 2010-11-22 03:03:06 <Diablo-D3> but
268 2010-11-22 03:03:22 <Diablo-D3> drive up the global work size to say 30 seconds worth
269 2010-11-22 03:03:25 <Diablo-D3> my mouse still moves
270 2010-11-22 03:03:29 <Diablo-D3> but
271 2010-11-22 03:03:31 <Diablo-D3> control c it
272 2010-11-22 03:03:38 <Diablo-D3> it locks x up for a minute
273 2010-11-22 03:03:44 <Diablo-D3> until the work is done
274 2010-11-22 03:06:49 <Diablo-D3> xelister: on m0's, it seems to lock up after every queue execution because he runs enqueue read using blocking
275 2010-11-22 03:07:49 <xelister> btw so your mine ris not really
276 2010-11-22 03:07:54 <xelister> faster or lower cpu usage then m0m's
277 2010-11-22 03:08:09 <xelister> Im probably picking it, since java apppears more portable for this task
278 2010-11-22 03:08:16 <Diablo-D3> its probably due to mine is more efficient
279 2010-11-22 03:08:43 <xelister> I dont see it being more efficient
280 2010-11-22 03:08:50 <Diablo-D3> it doesnt seem to rape 2D
281 2010-11-22 03:09:18 <xelister> nor does m0m's ...
282 2010-11-22 03:09:25 <Diablo-D3> m0's does for me
283 2010-11-22 03:09:31 <xelister> hm. I didnt yet compared what happens on movie/flash
284 2010-11-22 03:09:49 <xelister> m0m was hanging flash after few minutes regardless of -f -w. BUT that was sdk 1.2
285 2010-11-22 03:10:17 <xelister> perhaps 1.1 fixes both miners in this area
286 2010-11-22 03:10:30 <xelister> btw why sdk 1.2 is worse :( we need to email Ati about this
287 2010-11-22 03:10:46 <Diablo-D3> its not "worse"
288 2010-11-22 03:10:54 <Diablo-D3> radeon drivers internally use an event system
289 2010-11-22 03:10:56 <xelister> RAGE EMAIL .. RAGEON gets on my nerves!!1111
290 2010-11-22 03:11:08 <Diablo-D3> all they did was glue that to the part of the sdk that exposes it for opencl
291 2010-11-22 03:11:29 <xelister> so why with 1.2 all sucks
292 2010-11-22 03:12:01 <xelister> both miner uses cpu, m0m's 100%, yours 200% (btw m0m is better here, since it uses less cpu BUT STILL devliveres full 160M)
293 2010-11-22 03:12:33 <Diablo-D3> xelister: not less
294 2010-11-22 03:12:43 <Diablo-D3> m0's is just merely not multiple threads
295 2010-11-22 03:12:49 <xelister> Diablo-D3: if I make hcanges locally then how to give you my changes; or how to if I fork your poject&how
296 2010-11-22 03:13:09 <Diablo-D3> read the github manual
297 2010-11-22 03:13:20 <Diablo-D3> xelister: btw, on multi-card setups
298 2010-11-22 03:13:24 <Diablo-D3> you have to run more than one m0
299 2010-11-22 03:13:31 <Diablo-D3> thus you're STILL getting 200% cpu usage
300 2010-11-22 03:13:32 <Diablo-D3> no matter what
301 2010-11-22 03:13:39 <xelister> Diablo-D3: in the end 100% cpu not 200% cpu is eaten, that is better, right?  and that extra cpu burned (200%>100%) is not needed apparently since both give 160M.   Also apparaently sdk1.2 sucks since 1.1 allows same 160M with ~0% cpu
302 2010-11-22 03:13:43 <Diablo-D3> see above
303 2010-11-22 03:14:58 <xelister> Kiba: why
304 2010-11-22 03:15:21 <Diablo-D3> xelister: understand why?
305 2010-11-22 03:15:36 <Diablo-D3> any thread that blocks on something isnt actually blocking
306 2010-11-22 03:15:51 <Diablo-D3> its blocking waiting for a signal in the same app from a thread I didnt start, but the sdk did
307 2010-11-22 03:15:58 <Diablo-D3> its actually not a bad design at all
308 2010-11-22 03:16:08 <Diablo-D3> but they coded something wrong somewhere
309 2010-11-22 03:16:13 <Diablo-D3> they really should just be using libevent for this
310 2010-11-22 03:16:18 <Kiba> xelister: gettingstuck
311 2010-11-22 03:16:41 <xelister> Diablo-D3: (im a bit afk)  but in the end, on 1 card and sdk 1.2  m0m uses 100% cpu and you use 200%  both 160m
312 2010-11-22 03:16:57 <Diablo-D3> xelister: yes, but get multiple cards
313 2010-11-22 03:17:06 <Diablo-D3> thus bam, you get it like everyone else does.
314 2010-11-22 03:17:43 <Diablo-D3> xelister: imagine how nuts it'd be if you ran a setup like art does
315 2010-11-22 03:17:57 <Diablo-D3> like 8 m0s, and up to 8 cores 100%.
316 2010-11-22 03:18:03 <Diablo-D3> I think he only has 4, but you get the point
317 2010-11-22 03:18:22 <Diablo-D3> 2.1 is the only solution for ANYBODY's miner
318 2010-11-22 03:18:26 <Diablo-D3> art's, mine, m0's
319 2010-11-22 03:18:51 <xelister> ok so yours is better for more card
320 2010-11-22 03:18:52 <xelister> s
321 2010-11-22 03:18:56 <xelister> good thing indeed
322 2010-11-22 03:19:11 <ArtForz> there is no way to et decent multiGPU perf out of SDK2.2 openCL
323 2010-11-22 03:19:12 <Diablo-D3> better in the sense you only need to run client, yes
324 2010-11-22 03:19:30 <Diablo-D3> xelister: otherwise, on 2.2, both mine and m0 consumes all cpu time due to how the sdk was coded
325 2010-11-22 03:19:39 <ArtForz> SDK2.1 oCL works, so does SDK 2.1 and 2.2 CAL
326 2010-11-22 03:19:50 <Diablo-D3> they must be busy waiting inside somewhere
327 2010-11-22 03:19:55 <Diablo-D3> has to be
328 2010-11-22 03:20:04 <Diablo-D3> should be actually blocking
329 2010-11-22 03:20:07 <ArtForz> funny enough, even 2.2 oCL on windows doesnt have the 100% CPU and multiGPU probs
330 2010-11-22 03:20:07 <Diablo-D3> and its not
331 2010-11-22 03:20:14 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: yeah but
332 2010-11-22 03:20:21 <Diablo-D3> I bet its because they couldnt figure out the correct linux function
333 2010-11-22 03:20:27 <Diablo-D3> EVERYONE should use libevent
334 2010-11-22 03:20:38 <Diablo-D3> its just magical
335 2010-11-22 03:20:52 <ArtForz> yeah, they probably fucked synchronization up somewhere
336 2010-11-22 03:21:13 <ArtForz> thus 100% CPU and serialized kernel execution over multiple GPUs
337 2010-11-22 03:21:57 <ArtForz> btw, driver 10.11 is out
338 2010-11-22 03:22:18 <Diablo-D3> already?!
339 2010-11-22 03:22:46 <ArtForz> yup
340 2010-11-22 03:23:03 <Diablo-D3> hrm, my worksize code is seriously defficient
341 2010-11-22 03:24:39 <albatross> anyone running their stuff headless on linux?
342 2010-11-22 03:24:56 <Diablo-D3> albatross: art does... but realize headless still requires x running
343 2010-11-22 03:26:07 <albatross> yea...x has to run. however, it doesn't actually have to output to an actual monitor, right? it could go to some virtual screen
344 2010-11-22 03:26:14 <Diablo-D3> after fixing the broken worksize code
345 2010-11-22 03:26:24 <Diablo-D3> albatross: "virtual"? no
346 2010-11-22 03:26:28 <Diablo-D3> it still "outputs"
347 2010-11-22 03:26:38 <Diablo-D3> theres just no monitor plugged in
348 2010-11-22 03:27:06 <ArtForz> fun: the release notes for 10.11 arent out yet
349 2010-11-22 03:27:23 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: Im only interested in sdk 2.3 anyhow
350 2010-11-22 03:27:28 <Diablo-D3> which is supposed to be out in dec
351 2010-11-22 03:27:39 <albatross> lol...was looking for same artforz...thought i was just not seeing it
352 2010-11-22 03:27:56 <Diablo-D3> there cant be much fixed in 10.11 that interests us
353 2010-11-22 03:28:57 <ArtForz> maybe they added 68xx support to aticonfig
354 2010-11-22 03:29:06 <Diablo-D3> that'd be useful
355 2010-11-22 03:29:15 <Kiba> driver 10.11?
356 2010-11-22 03:29:18 <ArtForz> yea
357 2010-11-22 03:29:19 <Diablo-D3> and they COULD have possibly optimized some of the opencl stuff for 68xx
358 2010-11-22 03:29:25 <Kiba> what is it?
359 2010-11-22 03:29:33 <Diablo-D3> KingGurke: catalyst
360 2010-11-22 03:29:34 <Diablo-D3> er
361 2010-11-22 03:29:35 <Diablo-D3> Kiba:
362 2010-11-22 03:29:53 <albatross> so diablo, i'd still run 'startx' and it would work without any display set up? (lol...never even thought to try)
363 2010-11-22 03:29:59 <ArtForz> I still doubt 6870 will ever be faster than 5850 for mining
364 2010-11-22 03:30:01 <Diablo-D3> albatross: erm, yes
365 2010-11-22 03:30:09 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: it COULD be
366 2010-11-22 03:30:19 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: but the only way I think thats happening is after sdk 2.3 comes out
367 2010-11-22 03:30:21 <ArtForz> it simply doesnt have the # of ALUs required
368 2010-11-22 03:30:46 <Diablo-D3> yes, but the ALUs may have been secretly painted in the color red
369 2010-11-22 03:30:51 <Diablo-D3> so they'll run 3x faster
370 2010-11-22 03:31:08 <ArtForz> ahhh... no wonder
371 2010-11-22 03:31:20 <xelister> how fast are 68xx
372 2010-11-22 03:31:24 <ArtForz> not very fast
373 2010-11-22 03:31:37 <Diablo-D3> xelister: for 3d, just as fast as their matching 58xx
374 2010-11-22 03:31:48 <Diablo-D3> xelister: but the die is smaller, there are less pipes, it costs less, it uses less watts
375 2010-11-22 03:31:55 <Diablo-D3> so its a pretty good optimization job
376 2010-11-22 03:31:57 <ArtForz> for mining, not so much
377 2010-11-22 03:32:07 <Diablo-D3> mining is a veery weird side case
378 2010-11-22 03:32:17 <Diablo-D3> like, run an opencl app that rapes memory bandwidth... it'd still run as fast
379 2010-11-22 03:32:27 <Diablo-D3> becayse 68xx use it more efficiently
380 2010-11-22 03:32:53 <ArtForz> 5770=680Gop/s, 6850=744Gop, 5830=896Gop, 5850=1044Gop, 5870=1360Gop
381 2010-11-22 03:33:07 <ArtForz> missed the 6870
382 2010-11-22 03:33:09 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: you forgot 6870
383 2010-11-22 03:33:23 <ArtForz> 5770=680Gop/s, 6850=744Gop, 5830=896Gop, 6870=1008Gop, 5850=1044Gop, 5870=1360Gop
384 2010-11-22 03:33:31 <Diablo-D3> and also, you have to skew those numbers per watt
385 2010-11-22 03:33:45 <Diablo-D3> 6870 uses less watts than 5870
386 2010-11-22 03:33:50 <ArtForz> 5850 151W, 6870 151W
387 2010-11-22 03:34:17 <Diablo-D3> yeah, and they score basically identically on mining
388 2010-11-22 03:34:33 <ArtForz> so yay, slightly less integer throughput for the same power
389 2010-11-22 03:34:59 <Diablo-D3> I consider 1008 and 1044 == for dick size comparisons
390 2010-11-22 03:35:05 <ArtForz> yep
391 2010-11-22 03:35:18 <Diablo-D3> but you get far more 3D performance
392 2010-11-22 03:35:20 <Diablo-D3> which is the great part
393 2010-11-22 03:35:47 <ArtForz> and they use a die about halfway between juniper and cypress in size
394 2010-11-22 03:36:07 <ArtForz> and slower memory, so they SHOULD be cheaper than 58xx
395 2010-11-22 03:36:15 <Diablo-D3> btw, the price is great
396 2010-11-22 03:37:08 <Diablo-D3> non-shit 6870 is $250, non-shit 5850 is $200
397 2010-11-22 03:37:23 <Diablo-D3> well, $220, but has a $20 rebate
398 2010-11-22 03:37:40 <ArtForz> isn't progress great?
399 2010-11-22 03:37:54 <Diablo-D3> and a non-shit 5870 is $270 after rebate, $300 before
400 2010-11-22 03:38:06 <Diablo-D3> so I'd still buy a 6870 before a 5850
401 2010-11-22 03:38:20 <ArtForz> cheaper chip, cheaper memory, cheaper VRMs, higher price
402 2010-11-22 03:38:31 <Diablo-D3> well, it just came out
403 2010-11-22 03:38:34 <ArtForz> 6870 has way better gaming perf than 5850
404 2010-11-22 03:38:43 <ArtForz> but then, I am not gaming on these
405 2010-11-22 03:38:47 <Diablo-D3> you may someday
406 2010-11-22 03:38:50 <Diablo-D3> mining wont last forever
407 2010-11-22 03:39:10 <ArtForz> my gaming boxes now all have either 5870s or dual 5770s
408 2010-11-22 03:39:26 <Diablo-D3> yeah, but you'll get rid of those
409 2010-11-22 03:39:32 <Diablo-D3> when you upgrade to 69xx
410 2010-11-22 03:39:40 <ArtForz> and as most of em are quad-core phenoms a gfx update wont make much sense
411 2010-11-22 03:41:30 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: but you REALLY want to
412 2010-11-22 03:41:32 <Diablo-D3> wait
413 2010-11-22 03:41:34 <Diablo-D3> "gaming boxes"
414 2010-11-22 03:41:36 <Diablo-D3> plural?!
415 2010-11-22 03:41:37 <Diablo-D3> wtf man
416 2010-11-22 03:42:31 <ArtForz> what?
417 2010-11-22 03:42:38 <Diablo-D3> why do you have more than one
418 2010-11-22 03:42:51 <ArtForz> hosting small LANs
419 2010-11-22 03:42:55 <Diablo-D3> lol
420 2010-11-22 03:43:06 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: but still
421 2010-11-22 03:43:16 <Diablo-D3> arent you going to buy a bunch of 69xx if they work well?
422 2010-11-22 03:43:21 <ArtForz> probably
423 2010-11-22 03:43:29 <Diablo-D3> thus, all your 5770s go away
424 2010-11-22 03:43:35 <Diablo-D3> and 5870s
425 2010-11-22 03:43:41 <ArtForz> I only have 3 5770s left for mining
426 2010-11-22 03:43:46 <Diablo-D3> it'll be all 5970 hand-me-downs
427 2010-11-22 03:44:30 <anarchy> ;;bc,estimate
428 2010-11-22 03:44:31 <gribble> 6626.88297159
429 2010-11-22 03:44:47 <ArtForz> and with the next batch of 5970s another 2 5770s will get relieved of mining duty
430 2010-11-22 03:45:13 <Diablo-D3> heh
431 2010-11-22 03:45:28 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: you should still give me one of your 5970s :<
432 2010-11-22 03:46:24 <ArtForz> btw, that estimate is low
433 2010-11-22 03:46:34 <ArtForz> my calc says estnextdiff 6650
434 2010-11-22 03:46:42 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc
435 2010-11-22 03:46:42 <gribble> Error: "bc" is not a valid command.
436 2010-11-22 03:46:43 <Diablo-D3> er
437 2010-11-22 03:46:49 <Diablo-D3> whats the one that prints it all out
438 2010-11-22 03:47:06 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,stats
439 2010-11-22 03:47:08 <gribble> Current Blocks: 93211 | Current Difficulty: 6866.89864897 | Next Difficulty At Block: 94752 | Next Difficulty In: 1541 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 2 hours, 8 minutes, and 7 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6626.88297159
440 2010-11-22 03:47:11 <Diablo-D3> ahaa
441 2010-11-22 03:47:23 <ArtForz> yeah
442 2010-11-22 03:47:26 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: I think next week its going to tie
443 2010-11-22 03:47:44 <Diablo-D3> so low or not, we're not going anywhere
444 2010-11-22 03:47:50 <ArtForz> I think I see the problem, it divides by +1
445 2010-11-22 03:48:07 <Diablo-D3> as opposed to -1?
446 2010-11-22 03:48:47 <ArtForz> or maybe not... shrug
447 2010-11-22 03:49:23 <ArtForz> now that the TX flood has stopped speed *should* pick up again
448 2010-11-22 03:58:50 <ArtForz> btw, I am kinda fascinated with funny lib names
449 2010-11-22 03:59:04 <Diablo-D3> libiberty
450 2010-11-22 03:59:08 <ArtForz> yep
451 2010-11-22 03:59:14 <Diablo-D3> libpron
452 2010-11-22 03:59:27 <Diablo-D3> thats all I can think of
453 2010-11-22 03:59:46 <ArtForz> libuser
454 2010-11-22 03:59:48 <Kiba> liberal
455 2010-11-22 04:00:03 <Diablo-D3> Kiba: that would have to be libiberal
456 2010-11-22 04:00:08 <Diablo-D3> otherwise it makes no sense
457 2010-11-22 04:00:10 <ArtForz> yeah, whats the fun in -leral ?
458 2010-11-22 04:00:31 <Kiba> libbot
459 2010-11-22 04:02:46 <Diablo-D3> hrm
460 2010-11-22 04:02:53 <Diablo-D3> with -f 2
461 2010-11-22 04:03:02 <Diablo-D3> it only seems to be running around 74.5 :<
462 2010-11-22 04:03:43 <anarchy> ertarian sounds a lot cooler ;)
463 2010-11-22 04:05:06 <Kiba> a bunch of crazed anarchists aren't we?
464 2010-11-22 04:21:44 <uberjar> do any of you guys remember e-cache ?
465 2010-11-22 04:21:50 <uberjar> why do you think it failed ?
466 2010-11-22 04:22:05 <uberjar> and how is bitcoin going to overcome the same problems
467 2010-11-22 04:22:06 <joe_1> it was backed by one person
468 2010-11-22 04:22:19 <uberjar> it was backed by real gold
469 2010-11-22 04:22:24 <uberjar> controlled by one person
470 2010-11-22 04:23:06 <uberjar> but yea I see what you mean.  With bitcoin people feel like that are joining a party not just using some guys' anonymous bank
471 2010-11-22 04:23:07 <kermit> does the standard bitcoin client still connect to an irc server?
472 2010-11-22 04:23:21 <ArtForz> if it can, yes
473 2010-11-22 04:23:33 <ArtForz> otherwise it falls back to a list of hardcoded seed nodes
474 2010-11-22 04:23:46 <kermit> why? a lot of people are deterred by that for several reasons
475 2010-11-22 04:23:59 <uberjar> IRC traffic looks just like bottnet traffic
476 2010-11-22 04:24:03 <uberjar> botnet
477 2010-11-22 04:24:18 <ArtForz> it's a simple protocol, it works, it doesnt need dedicated infrastructure
478 2010-11-22 04:24:32 <uberjar> some huge percentage of botnets use irc protocol
479 2010-11-22 04:24:41 <ArtForz> not really anymore
480 2010-11-22 04:24:42 <kermit> yeah, it looks like a botnet, it eliminates some level of anonymity by everyone seing everyone's IP online, and it makes it appear to not be fully distributed when it is
481 2010-11-22 04:24:46 <Kiba> uberjar: you don't need to trust that person.
482 2010-11-22 04:25:01 <ArtForz> most botnets nowadays moved to encrypted p2p
483 2010-11-22 04:27:30 <ArtForz> we dont have "IP anonymity" anyways, your IP is broadcast over the p2p net the moment your node connects, this isn't a darknet
484 2010-11-22 04:28:04 <ArtForz> its the good old bootstrapping problem
485 2010-11-22 04:29:05 <ArtForz> easiest fix would probably be a user-editable version of the hardcoded IP list
486 2010-11-22 04:30:09 <ArtForz> once the node makes its first connection it receives enough peer addresses immediately
487 2010-11-22 04:31:58 <Diablo-D3> back
488 2010-11-22 04:32:03 <uberjar> but what happens when that IP list goes stale ?
489 2010-11-22 04:32:45 <ArtForz> yeah, not like theres a new release every few days
490 2010-11-22 04:33:18 <ArtForz> not to mention we have plenty of stable public nodes on servers
491 2010-11-22 04:33:58 <ArtForz> theres even a wiki page
492 2010-11-22 04:35:31 <uberjar> so in theory an attacker would have to DDOS all of the IPs in the hardcoded list along with bitcoin's website in order to break the network
493 2010-11-22 04:35:52 <Diablo-D3> uberjar: no
494 2010-11-22 04:35:55 <ArtForz> all he'd do is stop new clients from joining
495 2010-11-22 04:35:57 <Diablo-D3> they have to nuke the irc network too
496 2010-11-22 04:36:24 <uberjar> I see
497 2010-11-22 04:36:37 <ArtForz> once a client has built a list of node addrs it keeps it
498 2010-11-22 04:37:39 <kermit> ArtForz: it has one   -addnode=<ip>     Add a node to connect to
499 2010-11-22 04:37:58 <ArtForz> yeah, but thats not exactly user friendly
500 2010-11-22 04:38:07 <kermit> oh you mean in the GUI.. yeah that'd be good.
501 2010-11-22 04:38:19 <ArtForz> or something like a seednodes.txt in the data dir
502 2010-11-22 04:39:32 <ArtForz> but then... we only need it for initial bootstrapping, a hardcoded list should work fine
503 2010-11-22 04:44:25 <djoot> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN-2uYn9q40
504 2010-11-22 04:44:59 <Diablo-D3> hrm
505 2010-11-22 04:45:12 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: I fixed a bug at some point :D
506 2010-11-22 04:45:20 <Diablo-D3> I just tried gpu and cpu at the same time
507 2010-11-22 04:45:31 <Diablo-D3> Im now getting 77.5 mhash :D
508 2010-11-22 04:51:41 <bryogenic> has anyone tried out the aws gpu class ec2?
509 2010-11-22 04:51:50 <Diablo-D3> its useless
510 2010-11-22 04:51:56 <Diablo-D3> ec2 is already overpriced shit
511 2010-11-22 04:52:03 <nanotube> bryogenic: i hear they use nvidias, and it's expensive... so it doesn't make economic sense.
512 2010-11-22 04:52:07 <Diablo-D3> now its EXTRA ovepriced
513 2010-11-22 04:52:13 <Diablo-D3> yeah, they use nvidia shit
514 2010-11-22 04:52:15 <Diablo-D3> its retarded
515 2010-11-22 04:52:22 <bryogenic> yea figured
516 2010-11-22 04:52:24 <Diablo-D3> say hello to 5x slower mining
517 2010-11-22 04:53:13 <bryogenic> im suckered in for thier free micro for a year tho
518 2010-11-22 04:53:42 <nanotube> well if it's free, that's another thing entirely. :)
519 2010-11-22 04:54:04 <Diablo-D3> no
520 2010-11-22 04:54:13 <Diablo-D3> their smallest normal ec2 instance was free for a year for new customers
521 2010-11-22 04:54:37 <nanotube> hm... still, free is good, even if it's cpu
522 2010-11-22 04:54:56 <nanotube> you might get all of a block out of it... but so what. it's free. :)
523 2010-11-22 04:55:07 <Diablo-D3> the cpu usage limit is so low, you might get a block out of the whole year
524 2010-11-22 04:55:13 <bryogenic> it only gets about 500khps and it throws their cpu scaling tis up
525 2010-11-22 04:55:33 <bryogenic> tits*
526 2010-11-22 04:55:39 <nanotube> hey, free 50 btc is free 50 btc.
527 2010-11-22 04:55:50 <Diablo-D3> heh
528 2010-11-22 04:55:52 <Diablo-D3> for NEW customers only
529 2010-11-22 04:55:58 <Diablo-D3> ergo, I cant get one
530 2010-11-22 04:56:22 <bryogenic> yea i grabbed a prepaid credit to start a new account
531 2010-11-22 04:56:29 <ArtForz> well, at 500khps you might as well run it on a ti-84
532 2010-11-22 04:56:37 <Diablo-D3> s/84/89/
533 2010-11-22 04:56:39 <Diablo-D3> :D
534 2010-11-22 04:56:42 <nanotube> ;;bc,calc 500
535 2010-11-22 04:56:45 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 500 Khps, given current difficulty of 6866.89864897 , is 1 year, 45 weeks, 2 days, 17 hours, 3 minutes, and 30 seconds
536 2010-11-22 04:56:54 <Diablo-D3> HAHAHA
537 2010-11-22 04:56:55 <Diablo-D3> I WAS RIGHT
538 2010-11-22 04:56:58 <nanotube> so... you might get lucky :)
539 2010-11-22 04:56:59 <Diablo-D3> [12:55:07] <Diablo-D3> the cpu usage limit is so low, you might get a block out of the whole year
540 2010-11-22 04:57:03 <bryogenic> hahah dead on
541 2010-11-22 04:57:03 <Diablo-D3> HAHAHAH
542 2010-11-22 04:57:08 <ArtForz> 2 years
543 2010-11-22 04:57:14 <Diablo-D3> oh woah!
544 2010-11-22 04:57:18 <Diablo-D3> 45 weeks!
545 2010-11-22 04:57:19 <Diablo-D3> its even worse!
546 2010-11-22 04:57:26 <nanotube> yep. almost 2 yrs
547 2010-11-22 04:57:29 <Diablo-D3> holy shit
548 2010-11-22 04:57:33 <Diablo-D3> my snark wasnt strong enough
549 2010-11-22 04:57:35 <ArtForz> so on average 27 btc/year or so
550 2010-11-22 04:57:53 <ArtForz> which at current market rates is... about $7.50
551 2010-11-22 04:58:37 <nanotube> mm yea there are probably more profitable things you can do with that instance, which would generate more than 7.50 over the course of the year.
552 2010-11-22 04:58:40 <CIA-106> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * rf7cf468 / src/main/java/com/diablominer/DiabloMiner/DiabloMiner.java : Updated worksize management code to increase faster early on - http://bit.ly/bJUdZS
553 2010-11-22 04:58:57 <bryogenic> ill stick to using my free micro as a proxy and compression to speed up my phone internet  thx
554 2010-11-22 04:59:22 <Diablo-D3> wheres xelister
555 2010-11-22 04:59:40 <gribble> xelister was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 1 hour, 28 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <xelister> how fast are 68xx
556 2010-11-22 04:59:40 <nanotube> ;;seen xelister
557 2010-11-22 05:01:04 <Diablo-D3> meh
558 2010-11-22 05:01:46 <jgarzik> does anybody have an IP address for a node on the test network?
559 2010-11-22 05:02:43 <nanotube> jgarzik: theymos's node is on test, iirc
560 2010-11-22 05:06:55 <xelister> Diablo-D3: I'm in your girlfriends bedroom
561 2010-11-22 05:07:09 <xelister> Diablo-D3: shuush, Im in a closet - her other boyfriend just shown up too
562 2010-11-22 05:07:11 <xelister> >_>
563 2010-11-22 05:07:38 <xelister> Diablo-D3: im a bit bussy temporarly, but write I usually read log
564 2010-11-22 05:07:52 <Diablo-D3> xelister: try newest git
565 2010-11-22 05:07:57 <Diablo-D3> might fix your slow issues
566 2010-11-22 05:08:14 <xelister> whats the cmd like "svn up" and how to view diff since last version?
567 2010-11-22 05:08:29 <Diablo-D3> git pull
568 2010-11-22 05:08:47 <Diablo-D3> and just use github to view stuff
569 2010-11-22 05:08:48 <xelister> Diablo-D3: btw, just using the correcdt CL (change in source + mev clean package) fixes it (I think it may be 1-2% slower)  UNDER SDK 1.1.  under 1.2 we have high incredibly cpu but this is other toppic I suppose
570 2010-11-22 05:08:49 <Diablo-D3> its easier
571 2010-11-22 05:09:01 <Diablo-D3> you mean 2.1 and 2.2
572 2010-11-22 05:09:05 <xelister> Diablo-D3: hmm how to get curren version?  like  svn info ?
573 2010-11-22 05:09:11 <xelister> and then like   svn diff -r 12345:HEAD
574 2010-11-22 05:09:21 <xelister> yeap, 2.1 vs 2.2 sdk
575 2010-11-22 05:09:52 <Diablo-D3> I think you want git show
576 2010-11-22 05:10:15 <xelister> will this version auto detect correcdt CL or do I have to edit again?
577 2010-11-22 05:10:21 <Diablo-D3> it doesnt yet
578 2010-11-22 05:10:21 <xelister> or runtime optin
579 2010-11-22 05:10:25 <Diablo-D3> Im working on cleaning something up first
580 2010-11-22 05:10:35 <xelister> k
581 2010-11-22 05:10:37 <Diablo-D3> xelister: if you git pull, you wont have to edit again until I break it
582 2010-11-22 05:10:46 <xelister> btw
583 2010-11-22 05:10:59 <xelister> on windows, where is SDK installed?  is there problem with export SDKPATCH shit too?
584 2010-11-22 05:11:12 <Diablo-D3> read the sdk install manual
585 2010-11-22 05:11:13 <xelister> or just tell users "Go get catalyst+SDK and install that" and that is all?
586 2010-11-22 05:11:27 <Diablo-D3> and yes, if they get the driver that has the sdk runtime in it, they dont have to install the runtime
587 2010-11-22 05:12:06 <Diablo-D3> xelister: if you really wanna be useful, make a batch file that runs this shit on windows and accepts args
588 2010-11-22 05:12:28 <Diablo-D3> batches CAN accept args, but I dont feel like looking at obscure msdn pages to figure out how
589 2010-11-22 05:12:50 <xelister> yey git show 1332a67..f7cf468
590 2010-11-22 05:12:59 <Diablo-D3> you can just run git show with no args
591 2010-11-22 05:13:29 <xelister> Diablo-D3: windows dev. wants me puke
592 2010-11-22 05:13:40 <xelister> ;)
593 2010-11-22 05:13:46 <Diablo-D3> me too
594 2010-11-22 05:13:55 <Diablo-D3> thats why everyone on windows can just run the command manually
595 2010-11-22 05:14:06 <jgarzik> whee, testnet block download.  quite slow compared to main chain... because the test net is actually used :)
596 2010-11-22 05:14:34 <Diablo-D3> jgarzik: because theres no one on the testnet =P\n54562
597 2010-11-22 05:14:48 <xelister> git did not touch the files I touched it seems
598 2010-11-22 05:15:03 <xelister> how to list local modifications
599 2010-11-22 05:15:17 <Diablo-D3> git status
600 2010-11-22 05:15:21 <jgarzik> xelister: git status
601 2010-11-22 05:15:46 <xelister> ahhh indeed. Sorry Im blind.  I tried that command and was like,  woah  usage manual, must had entered invalid command  8-|
602 2010-11-22 05:17:17 <xelister> after   rm on files
603 2010-11-22 05:17:27 <xelister> and git pull   git did not restore files I killed. how to
604 2010-11-22 05:18:09 <nanotube> git checkout .
605 2010-11-22 05:18:24 <xelister> git checko.. oh
606 2010-11-22 05:21:29 <Diablo-D3> xelister: you could always do git revert HEAD
607 2010-11-22 05:21:46 <Diablo-D3> or the real fun trick, HEAD^# where # is a number
608 2010-11-22 05:22:00 <Diablo-D3> moves it to # commits previous
609 2010-11-22 05:22:16 <Diablo-D3> er ~ not %
610 2010-11-22 05:22:21 <Diablo-D3> er ~ not ^
611 2010-11-22 05:24:05 <xelister> diablo's: 157M  m0m's: 151M at radeon5770 stock (850MHz)
612 2010-11-22 05:24:19 <xelister> diablo's: 157M  m0m's: 151M at radeon5770 stock (850MHz) - ubuntu 10.10 with idle desktop, quad core
613 2010-11-22 05:25:05 <Diablo-D3> wee
614 2010-11-22 05:25:12 <xelister> o/
615 2010-11-22 05:25:46 <xelister> using -w 128 to both, changed CL for 5xxx radeons, and some -f 30 and stronger -f 120 to diablos
616 2010-11-22 05:26:24 <xelister> both using SDK 2.1
617 2010-11-22 05:27:04 <Diablo-D3> 128 is faster for you?
618 2010-11-22 05:27:05 <xelister> so what was the problem?
619 2010-11-22 05:27:25 <xelister> it is the same +/-, but I think it is more friendly to possible other GPU tasks on box
620 2010-11-22 05:27:30 <Diablo-D3> its not
621 2010-11-22 05:27:34 <Diablo-D3> its actually less friendly
622 2010-11-22 05:27:39 <xelister> hmm??
623 2010-11-22 05:27:40 <Diablo-D3> 64 SHOULD be faster
624 2010-11-22 05:27:45 <Diablo-D3> and btw
625 2010-11-22 05:27:49 <Diablo-D3> theres no such thing as friendly
626 2010-11-22 05:27:53 <Diablo-D3> the driver doesnt usefully task switch
627 2010-11-22 05:28:02 <Diablo-D3> and it cant run multiple things at once
628 2010-11-22 05:28:21 <xelister> why 64 would be faster
629 2010-11-22 05:28:29 <Diablo-D3> -w controls local group size, which is how many items sent per wavefront
630 2010-11-22 05:28:36 <xelister> Diablo-D3: but perhaps it has less shit to cleanup on task swith
631 2010-11-22 05:28:38 <Diablo-D3> it has to be a multiple of 64 on ati hardware
632 2010-11-22 05:28:45 <Diablo-D3> xelister: well
633 2010-11-22 05:28:51 <Diablo-D3> its there to hide memory latency issuies
634 2010-11-22 05:28:51 <xelister> ok perhaps not. im not expert at ocl
635 2010-11-22 05:28:55 <Diablo-D3> however, we dont use memory
636 2010-11-22 05:29:05 <Diablo-D3> 64 for me and art is faster
637 2010-11-22 05:29:19 <Diablo-D3> the default is hardware maximum, which is 256
638 2010-11-22 05:29:26 <xelister> 64, 128, 256 are the same me, to  0.5% (and I dont care about smaller; )
639 2010-11-22 05:29:36 <Diablo-D3> xelister: just do 64 then
640 2010-11-22 05:29:40 <Diablo-D3> for that last tiny bit of speed =P
641 2010-11-22 05:29:45 <xelister> ok
642 2010-11-22 05:29:52 <xelister> it will steal your bitcoins
643 2010-11-22 05:29:53 <Diablo-D3> btw, both my and m0's defaults to -f 60
644 2010-11-22 05:30:03 <xelister> damn ndiigers! they toooook our joooobs
645 2010-11-22 05:30:09 <xelister> they took our jooooooobs
646 2010-11-22 05:30:11 <Diablo-D3> on m0's I need -f 120 to keep the desktop useful
647 2010-11-22 05:30:13 <Diablo-D3> and noowwww
648 2010-11-22 05:30:17 <Diablo-D3> I need -f 120 on mine
649 2010-11-22 05:30:26 <xelister> THEY TOOOK OUR JOOOBS
650 2010-11-22 05:30:28 <Diablo-D3> so I think I finally fixed mine