1 2010-11-23 00:13:38 <brocktice> djoot: nice, checking it out
  2 2010-11-23 00:17:24 <djoot> cool, not the prettiest formatting on the output, but it serves its purpose :)
  3 2010-11-23 00:17:27 <brocktice> hm, it could benefit from some newlines
  4 2010-11-23 00:17:36 <brocktice> but yeah, looks functional
  5 2010-11-23 00:22:10 <brocktice> hm, I started gdesklets, but I don't see it anywhere?
  6 2010-11-23 00:22:31 <brocktice> either it's broken (gdesklets, not your ticker) or it's rather counterintuitive
  7 2010-11-23 00:23:33 <djoot> right-click the gdesklets statusicon and pick manage desklets
  8 2010-11-23 00:23:48 <brocktice> yeah must be broken
  9 2010-11-23 00:23:51 <brocktice> there is no such icon
 10 2010-11-23 00:25:04 <djoot> or run: gdesklets open ~/.gdesklets/Displays/MtGoxTicker/mtgoxticker.display
 11 2010-11-23 00:27:16 <djoot> brocktice: no dice?
 12 2010-11-23 00:29:00 <brocktice> ahh ubuntu breakage
 13 2010-11-23 00:29:02 <brocktice> working around
 14 2010-11-23 00:31:20 <djoot> gdesklets breakage in ubuntu?
 15 2010-11-23 00:34:15 <brocktice> djoot: yeah, I got it working, built it myself, but now your desklet is not working
 16 2010-11-23 00:34:26 <brocktice> it barfs on the IGetHTML:hexstuff
 17 2010-11-23 00:34:31 <brocktice> Do I need some packages or something?
 18 2010-11-23 00:34:47 <brocktice> also 'global name 'geturl' is not defined
 19 2010-11-23 00:35:12 <brocktice> is this python? what is this?
 20 2010-11-23 00:35:50 <brocktice> "No control could be found for interface IGetHTML:azt36jhp....
 21 2010-11-23 00:38:31 <djoot> do you have the GetHTML directory in ~/.gdesklets/Controls/ ?
 22 2010-11-23 00:38:47 <brocktice> I have nothing in there
 23 2010-11-23 00:38:51 <brocktice> do I need a plugin or something?
 24 2010-11-23 00:39:10 <brocktice> I'd never tried gDesklets before just now, in case that's not obvious. :)
 25 2010-11-23 00:39:25 <djoot> just extract the tgz in ~/.gdesklets/ directory, I think it should work then
 26 2010-11-23 00:40:37 <brocktice> AHA
 27 2010-11-23 00:40:40 <brocktice> that did it, thanks
 28 2010-11-23 00:40:45 <djoot> nice :)
 29 2010-11-23 00:40:47 <brocktice> I installed it from the GUI, that doesn't work I guess.
 30 2010-11-23 00:41:44 <djoot> aah.. It should work.. but you need the GetHTML control, which I bundled in the package :)
 31 2010-11-23 00:42:04 <brocktice> unfortunately that address in the config screen is not copy/paste-able, would you mind pasting the address here or msging me with it?
 32 2010-11-23 00:42:11 <brocktice> I don't dare try to retype it accurately
 33 2010-11-23 00:42:23 <brocktice> I guess it must be in the source, eh?
 34 2010-11-23 00:42:28 <djoot> about - credits, if you want to donate :)
 35 2010-11-23 00:42:31 <djoot> yep
 36 2010-11-23 00:43:04 <brocktice> I was looking at it in the main config screen
 37 2010-11-23 00:43:13 <brocktice> the credits textbox worked fine, thanks!
 38 2010-11-23 00:43:47 <djoot> no, thank you! :)
 39 2010-11-23 00:45:18 <brocktice> now I can be even more obsessed with the market
 40 2010-11-23 00:45:21 <brocktice> :/
 41 2010-11-23 00:46:19 <djoot> heh, I hear ya :)
 42 2010-11-23 00:48:48 <brocktice> ooh apparently I got a tx fee?
 43 2010-11-23 00:49:28 <ArtForz> quite possible, the faucet now attaches a 0.01 fee to every tx
 44 2010-11-23 00:50:05 <brocktice> http://theymos.ath.cx:64150/bbe/tx/dcb2238f56de828a8dcf378d346595d32cf063ae0e2db5566656cf36d8944b31
 45 2010-11-23 00:50:25 <ArtForz> yep, faucet
 46 2010-11-23 00:50:39 <brocktice> how do you tell?
 47 2010-11-23 00:50:58 <ArtForz> 0.5 btc TX
 48 2010-11-23 00:51:13 <ArtForz> last tx in that block
 49 2010-11-23 00:51:25 <brocktice> ahhh
 50 2010-11-23 00:51:41 <ArtForz> follow the tx chain from that one forward/backward and you find shitloads of 0.5 and 0.05 txes
 51 2010-11-23 00:52:11 <ArtForz> s/chain/tree/
 52 2010-11-23 00:52:24 <brocktice> gavinandresen: any reason I shouldn't send the facuet fee back?
 53 2010-11-23 00:53:09 <brocktice> faucet only pays on sending txes right?
 54 2010-11-23 00:53:15 <ArtForz> yep
 55 2010-11-23 00:53:22 <brocktice> yeah might as well send it back.
 56 2010-11-23 00:54:52 <brocktice> oh awesome, chaord is accepting credit cards
 57 2010-11-23 00:54:55 <brocktice> hope that lasts
 58 2010-11-23 00:56:33 <ArtForz> yeah, pretty neat
 59 2010-11-23 00:56:58 <brocktice> This crazy little experiment might work yet.
 60 2010-11-23 00:59:29 <ArtForz> his anti-fraud measures sound good
 61 2010-11-23 01:00:14 <brocktice> oh? They're not listed on the site. Should I search the forums?
 62 2010-11-23 01:00:22 <brocktice> ah yes
 63 2010-11-23 01:00:24 <ArtForz> yep
 64 2010-11-23 01:00:27 <ArtForz> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1888.0
 65 2010-11-23 01:01:09 <brocktice> djoot: what's it mean when the ticker changes from black to red?
 66 2010-11-23 01:01:15 <brocktice> updating?
 67 2010-11-23 01:01:55 <brocktice> wow, yeah, pretty thorough
 68 2010-11-23 01:02:20 <djoot> ticker change
 69 2010-11-23 01:02:42 <ArtForz> his measures should cut down actual CC fraud to near 0
 70 2010-11-23 01:03:15 <brocktice> it looks pretty good
 71 2010-11-23 01:03:27 <brocktice> someone would have to pretty royally fuck your CC account first to fake it
 72 2010-11-23 01:03:32 <brocktice> can't prevent chargebacks though
 73 2010-11-23 01:03:40 <ArtForz> yep
 74 2010-11-23 01:03:46 <brocktice> might be able to argue them with the issuer.
 75 2010-11-23 01:03:54 <brocktice> given that degree of evidence.
 76 2010-11-23 01:04:08 <ArtForz> good luck with that, especially if you can't provide shipping trace
 77 2010-11-23 01:04:23 <brocktice> "Here's a bitcoin transaction ID, you can check the block."
 78 2010-11-23 01:04:29 <brocktice> "A hoozawhatsit?"
 79 2010-11-23 01:04:34 <ArtForz> hahaha
 80 2010-11-23 01:05:12 <brocktice> 5770 eyefinity 5 arrives tomorrow, so we'll finally see about that 4-monitor setup.
 81 2010-11-23 01:05:34 <brocktice> ubuntu lucid keeps screwing with my fakeXinerama symlinks, so if I can avoid that it would be nice.
 82 2010-11-23 01:05:37 <brocktice> Compiz would be nice, too.
 83 2010-11-23 01:06:10 <brocktice> ahahaha I just noticed the stacks of benjamins on the mtgox blog header
 84 2010-11-23 01:06:21 <ArtForz> nowadays it might be better, but years back we had a "creative" way to circumvent the proof-of-shipping-for-digital-goods thing
 85 2010-11-23 01:07:40 <ArtForz> for larger amounts we mailed a "activation code"
 86 2010-11-23 01:09:55 <brocktice> makes sense
 87 2010-11-23 01:10:22 <brocktice> you could mail a wallet by making a fresh one, loading it, sending it on a flash drive, and then the recipient offloads the full balance to their address, right?
 88 2010-11-23 01:10:39 <ArtForz> if the client made it easier, yep
 89 2010-11-23 01:10:40 <brocktice> no way to reverse after that last step?
 90 2010-11-23 01:10:45 <ArtForz> yep
 91 2010-11-23 01:11:23 <brocktice> I heard some rumblings a while back that the client might be getting some updates in terms of separate accounts, etc.
 92 2010-11-23 01:12:01 <ArtForz> afaik gavin already commited part of the accounts stuff
 93 2010-11-23 01:12:38 <ArtForz> basically it allows you to sort your own keypairs+associated tx into accounts
 94 2010-11-23 01:13:11 <ArtForz> so instead of assigning your receiving addrs a label you can assign a account
 95 2010-11-23 01:13:14 <brocktice> that would be quite useful, I now have both personal and business bitcoins and tracking them is kind of annoying.
 96 2010-11-23 01:13:20 <ArtForz> yep
 97 2010-11-23 01:13:28 <ArtForz> r188 I think
 98 2010-11-23 01:13:45 <ArtForz> we also get 2 new rpc calls, move and sendfrom
 99 2010-11-23 01:13:58 <djoot> brocktice: new version with changing font color on updated ticker as well, (if you want to make it invisible or something) :)
100 2010-11-23 01:14:06 <ArtForz> move = move btc from one account to another
101 2010-11-23 01:14:20 <ArtForz> sendfrom = send from specific account
102 2010-11-23 01:15:11 <ArtForz> I *think* all existing stuff ends up in the default "" account
103 2010-11-23 01:16:13 <ArtForz> we also got getreceivedbyacount and listreceivedbyaccount
104 2010-11-23 01:17:26 <brocktice> I like listtransactions
105 2010-11-23 01:17:28 <brocktice> using that now
106 2010-11-23 01:17:44 <brocktice> otherwise no way to see generations on my miner without logging in and launching the gui
107 2010-11-23 01:17:47 <brocktice> which seems silly
108 2010-11-23 01:17:53 <brocktice> (Other than my miner logs)
109 2010-11-23 01:18:00 <ArtForz> yeah
110 2010-11-23 01:18:51 <ArtForz> anyways, IMO the account system is quite useful
111 2010-11-23 01:28:42 <delta9> victor john juniorcreative" way to circumvent the proof-of-shipping-for-digital-goods
112 2010-11-23 01:28:45 <delta9> thing
113 2010-11-23 01:28:48 <delta9> 21:07 < ArtForz> for larger amounts we mailed a "activation code"
114 2010-11-23 01:28:50 <delta9> 21:09 < brocktice> makes sense
115 2010-11-23 01:28:53 <delta9> 21:10 < brocktice> you could mail a wallet by making a fresh one, loading it, sending it on a flash drive, and then the recipient offloads the full balance to their address, right?
116 2010-11-23 01:28:57 <delta9> 21:10 < ArtForz> if the client made it easier, yep
117 2010-11-23 01:28:59 <delta9> 21:10 < brocktice> no way to reverse after that last step?
118 2010-11-23 01:29:02 <delta9> 21:10 < ArtForz> yep
119 2010-11-23 01:29:04 <delta9> 21:11 < brocktice> I heard some rumblings a while back that the client might be getting some updates in terms of separate accounts, etc.
120 2010-11-23 01:29:07 <delta9> 21:12 < ArtForz> afaik gavin already commited part of the accounts stuff
121 2010-11-23 01:29:10 <delta9> 21:12 < ArtForz> basically it allows you to sort your own keypairs+associated tx into accounts
122 2010-11-23 01:29:13 <delta9> 21:13 < ArtForz> so instead of assigning your receiving addrs a label you can assign a account
123 2010-11-23 01:29:16 <delta9> 21:13 < brocktice> that would be quite useful, I now have both personal and business bitcoins and tracking them is kind of annoying.
124 2010-11-23 01:29:19 <delta9> 21:13 < ArtForz> yep
125 2010-11-23 01:29:21 <delta9> 21:13 < ArtForz> r188 I think
126 2010-11-23 01:29:24 <delta9> 21:13 < ArtForz> we also get 2 new rpc calls, move and sendfrom
127 2010-11-23 01:29:26 <delta9> 21:13 < djoot> brocktice: new version with changing font color on updated ticker as well, (if you want to make it invisible or something) :)
128 2010-11-23 01:29:29 <delta9> 21:14 < ArtForz> move = move btc from one account to another
129 2010-11-23 01:29:32 <delta9> 21:14 < ArtForz> sendfrom = send from specific account
130 2010-11-23 01:29:34 <delta9> 21:15 < ArtForz> I *think* all existing stuff ends up in the default "" account
131 2010-11-23 01:29:37 <delta9> 21:16 < ArtForz> we also got getreceivedbyacount and listreceivedbyaccount
132 2010-11-23 01:29:40 <delta9> 21:17 < brocktice> I like listtransactions
133 2010-11-23 01:29:42 <delta9> 21:17 < brocktice> using that now
134 2010-11-23 01:29:45 <delta9> 21:17 < brocktice> otherwise no way to see generations on my miner without logging in and launching the gui
135 2010-11-23 01:29:48 <delta9> 21:17 < brocktice> which seems silly
136 2010-11-23 01:29:50 <delta9> 21:17 < brocktice> (Other than my miner logs)
137 2010-11-23 01:29:56 <ArtForz> is there an echo in here?
138 2010-11-23 01:30:34 <delta9> woops
139 2010-11-23 01:51:29 <OneFixt> ;;bc,stats
140 2010-11-23 01:51:31 <gribble> Current Blocks: 93369 | Current Difficulty: 6866.89864897 | Next Difficulty At Block: 94752 | Next Difficulty In: 1383 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 11 hours, 42 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6951.23074648
141 2010-11-23 01:58:46 <ebenizer> anyone have difficulty generating using m0mchil's latest (r186) miner?
142 2010-11-23 02:08:47 <nanotube> ;;bc,mtgox
143 2010-11-23 02:08:48 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.2879,"low":0.269,"vol":28522,"buy":0.2805,"sell":0.2845,"last":0.2805}}
144 2010-11-23 02:12:28 <Kiba> slowly and slowly inching their way to .30 BTCs price range
145 2010-11-23 02:17:09 <Diablo-D3> https://www.bitcoin.org/wiki/doku.php?id=bitcoin_miners
146 2010-11-23 02:17:13 <Diablo-D3> someone should update that
147 2010-11-23 02:19:29 <Kiba> hmm
148 2010-11-23 02:19:32 <Kiba> no uploading today
149 2010-11-23 02:19:39 <Kiba> hippich's site is down
150 2010-11-23 02:21:12 <ColonelPanic1> I will be contributing once I learn C++
151 2010-11-23 02:21:22 <ColonelPanic1> until then, I am here to learn
152 2010-11-23 02:21:33 <Kiba> JESUS
153 2010-11-23 02:21:36 <Kiba> I am so tired
154 2010-11-23 02:21:42 <Kiba> ColonelPanic1: learning what?
155 2010-11-23 02:21:45 <Kiba> err contributing what?
156 2010-11-23 02:22:10 <Kiba> in addition, why are you learning C++?
157 2010-11-23 02:22:23 <ColonelPanic1> I thought the client was written in c++
158 2010-11-23 02:22:33 <ColonelPanic1> and just learning about BC in general
159 2010-11-23 02:22:38 <Kiba> my impression is that it is written in C
160 2010-11-23 02:22:44 <ColonelPanic1> oh, well good
161 2010-11-23 02:22:49 <ArtForz> wha? it's C++
162 2010-11-23 02:22:55 <ColonelPanic1> okay, that's what I thought
163 2010-11-23 02:38:48 <nanotube> yep, cpp, with the boost library
164 2010-11-23 02:41:57 <ColonelPanic1> do you gents suspect that GPU acceleration will be built into the standard client eventually?
165 2010-11-23 02:42:07 <jgarzik> who knows the mind of satoshi
166 2010-11-23 02:42:11 <nameless> |maybe
167 2010-11-23 02:42:31 <ArtForz> unlikely
168 2010-11-23 02:42:41 <nameless> |probably not
169 2010-11-23 02:42:49 <jgarzik> I bet the standard, unmodified client contributes less than 50% of the network power these days
170 2010-11-23 02:42:54 <ArtForz> getwork support ... probably
171 2010-11-23 02:42:55 <ColonelPanic1> damnit
172 2010-11-23 02:42:59 <ColonelPanic1> things have changed a lot
173 2010-11-23 02:43:05 <ColonelPanic1> last time I looked at BC, it was about june-july
174 2010-11-23 02:43:10 <ColonelPanic1> I generated 200BC a day
175 2010-11-23 02:43:42 <jgarzik> agreed.  Integrating CUDA or OpenCL in upstream means a linking nightmare, and it's no longer 100% open source.  remote mining (getwork, or similar) is much more realistic.
176 2010-11-23 02:43:50 <ArtForz> yep
177 2010-11-23 02:43:56 <ColonelPanic1> so what would you guys suggest as the best client to take advantage of a radeon 5850 and an i7?
178 2010-11-23 02:44:14 <ArtForz> m0mchils or diablos opencl miner
179 2010-11-23 02:44:16 <nameless> |yeah
180 2010-11-23 02:44:21 <jgarzik> ColonelPanic1: standard client + m0mchil getwork patch + an opencl miner
181 2010-11-23 02:44:24 <nameless> |I stopped running bitcoin around 3.10
182 2010-11-23 02:44:32 <nameless> |cause I didn't feel like updating
183 2010-11-23 02:44:38 <ColonelPanic1> so how do I set that up
184 2010-11-23 02:44:39 <ArtForz> that 5850 should get 230Mhash/sec+
185 2010-11-23 02:44:52 <ColonelPanic1> ffffff
186 2010-11-23 02:44:57 <johnyh> ArtForz: what best/biggest mainboard you have? 2 or 4 slot?
187 2010-11-23 02:45:01 <ArtForz> 4 slot
188 2010-11-23 02:45:29 <ArtForz> and 230 Mhps = about 35.5h/block at current difficulty
189 2010-11-23 02:45:51 <ColonelPanic1> okay
190 2010-11-23 02:45:54 <ColonelPanic1> someone help me out here
191 2010-11-23 02:45:58 <ArtForz> not too bad considering 50BTC are like $14 now
192 2010-11-23 02:46:44 <ColonelPanic1> so I'm guessing these GPU accelerated clients only operate efficiently on windows?
193 2010-11-23 02:46:50 <ArtForz> nope
194 2010-11-23 02:46:57 <ArtForz> all linux here
195 2010-11-23 02:47:05 <ColonelPanic1> oh yes?
196 2010-11-23 02:47:09 <ColonelPanic1> lovely
197 2010-11-23 02:47:46 <jgarzik> ColonelPanic1: you need the vendor drivers, under Linux
198 2010-11-23 02:48:11 <ColonelPanic1> yes, yes
199 2010-11-23 02:48:44 <ColonelPanic1> I just figured it would have been a hassle to do it that way for the developers
200 2010-11-23 02:49:12 <ArtForz> for crazy multiGPU setups linux seems a lot less problematic than windows
201 2010-11-23 02:49:14 <ColonelPanic1> I'm using the proprietary fglrx driver
202 2010-11-23 02:55:18 <jgarzik> MadHatter's http://www.bitcoin2cc.com/ looks nice
203 2010-11-23 02:55:25 <jgarzik> fills a niche
204 2010-11-23 02:57:04 <ColonelPanic1> okay so, what software do I need to get my 5850 pumping out BC?
205 2010-11-23 02:57:51 <Kiba> two niches are filled in one day
206 2010-11-23 02:58:19 <ArtForz> bitcoin client with m0mchils getwork patch, m0mchils python miner or diablo-d3s java miner, fglrx, AMD stream SDK
207 2010-11-23 02:58:44 <jgarzik> git://github.com/m0mchil/poclbm.git
208 2010-11-23 02:59:27 <ArtForz> stream sdk 2.1 is older and needs a few workarounds to get max perf on radeon 5xxx, sdk 2.2 eats 100% cpu on one core and fails hard with multiGPU setups
209 2010-11-23 03:00:33 <ArtForz> unless I missed something that should be about it
210 2010-11-23 03:00:45 <ColonelPanic1> this sounds complicated
211 2010-11-23 03:00:57 <ArtForz> which is why it probably wont make it into mainline
212 2010-11-23 03:01:03 <nanotube> jgarzik: ooh nice.
213 2010-11-23 03:01:09 <nanotube> jgarzik: i mean, the bitcoin2cc
214 2010-11-23 03:02:29 <Kiba> bitcoingateway!
215 2010-11-23 03:10:20 <Kiba> I am already expereincing withdrawl syndrome due to the lack of hippich's site
216 2010-11-23 03:10:34 <nanotube> heh
217 2010-11-23 03:12:08 <Kiba> WANNNA make money
218 2010-11-23 03:18:12 <nanotube> doesn't everyone? :)
219 2010-11-23 03:22:31 <hippich> hey. i am missing something. what you kiba are expiriencing? =) my server is getting moved from one datacenter into another one )
220 2010-11-23 03:23:02 <Kiba> I WANNA MAKE MONEY
221 2010-11-23 03:23:03 <Kiba> that's why
222 2010-11-23 03:23:08 <Kiba> but then my parents are alseep
223 2010-11-23 03:23:10 <Kiba> so no scanner for me
224 2010-11-23 03:23:37 <hippich> scanner.. parents are asleepp.. i am lost ))
225 2010-11-23 03:24:07 <ColonelPanic1> how I shot patch
226 2010-11-23 03:24:32 <djoot> hey there hippich
227 2010-11-23 03:24:50 <djoot> guess that answers my question
228 2010-11-23 03:24:52 <imnichol> Hey Kiba you there?
229 2010-11-23 03:25:04 <imnichol> If you are: I owe you some btc
230 2010-11-23 03:25:04 <Kiba> WHAT?
231 2010-11-23 03:25:30 <imnichol> My apologies for dropping off the face of the earth: shit happened
232 2010-11-23 03:25:47 <hippich> howdy djoot!
233 2010-11-23 03:26:08 <Kiba> You owe me some bitcoins?
234 2010-11-23 03:26:16 <djoot> betco.in down... :)
235 2010-11-23 03:26:33 <Kiba> downism is having its fun for the time being
236 2010-11-23 03:26:39 <djoot> hope my coins are not lost..
237 2010-11-23 03:26:43 <Kiba> but upism is responding!
238 2010-11-23 03:26:49 <imnichol> Yeah, you fronted my some a few months back
239 2010-11-23 03:26:55 <imnichol> And my plans just didn't get together
240 2010-11-23 03:27:02 <Kiba> oh that.
241 2010-11-23 03:27:11 <Kiba> escrow.
242 2010-11-23 03:27:13 <imnichol> Yeah
243 2010-11-23 03:27:22 <Kiba> how much do you owe me?
244 2010-11-23 03:28:04 <imnichol> Can't remember off the top of my head
245 2010-11-23 03:28:13 <imnichol> You still have the same address?
246 2010-11-23 03:28:24 <imnichol> I'll get them to you next friday
247 2010-11-23 03:28:38 <Kiba> whatever it may be the case
248 2010-11-23 03:28:49 <Kiba> 1AMVDD55BQ19RyFQUN4Kt4WvD6ECryu33F
249 2010-11-23 03:29:16 <Kiba> The likelyhood of breaking forum record is very high
250 2010-11-23 03:29:25 <Kiba> we just might beat July
251 2010-11-23 03:35:19 <nanotube> hey FreeMoney :)
252 2010-11-23 03:35:33 <FreeMoney> hi
253 2010-11-23 04:00:26 <Diablo-D3> did ColonelPanic1 get what he wanted?
254 2010-11-23 04:01:04 <nanotube> think he's still working on it
255 2010-11-23 04:04:53 <Kiba> hopefully imnichol will give me money back
256 2010-11-23 04:06:00 <ColonelPanic1> I am giving up for the night
257 2010-11-23 04:06:04 <ColonelPanic1> because stupid gf was distracting
258 2010-11-23 04:06:22 <ColonelPanic1> can I put any of the command line arguments in bitcoin.conf?
259 2010-11-23 04:07:25 <nanotube> speaking of money back... hopefully kiba will repay me the loan by the deadline... :)
260 2010-11-23 04:08:04 <nanotube> ColonelPanic1: i think you can... though can't say i've tried to myself.
261 2010-11-23 04:08:19 <Kiba> what's the deadline, nanotube?
262 2010-11-23 04:08:26 <Kiba> I have enough to pay it back
263 2010-11-23 04:08:39 <ColonelPanic1> I want it to have things such as min=1, daemon=1, gen=1, server=1
264 2010-11-23 04:08:44 <ColonelPanic1> don't know if its working properly though
265 2010-11-23 04:09:18 <ColonelPanic1> oh, it is
266 2010-11-23 04:09:30 <ColonelPanic1> got a few fatal exceptions the first time
267 2010-11-23 04:09:30 <Kiba> hmm
268 2010-11-23 04:09:36 <Kiba> I got some very good images from 4chan.
269 2010-11-23 04:09:43 <Kiba> reference images...
270 2010-11-23 04:09:46 <ColonelPanic1> really needs the "=1" for the ones where it isn't specified in the help file
271 2010-11-23 04:11:12 <Kiba> I heard, we're going to see the first international bitcoin meetup in December
272 2010-11-23 04:11:19 <ColonelPanic1> whats the location?
273 2010-11-23 04:12:17 <Kiba> NYC
274 2010-11-23 04:12:55 <ColonelPanic1> considering that
275 2010-11-23 04:13:22 <ColonelPanic1> although, can't say I'm a big fan of the sprawl
276 2010-11-23 04:13:33 <nanotube> Kiba: according to my records, loan was made on nov 4. loan term is 30 days, so deadline is dec 4
277 2010-11-23 04:21:47 <Kiba> no school for the rest of the week!
278 2010-11-23 04:21:48 <Kiba> YAYA
279 2010-11-23 04:36:19 <Xunie> Wow, I got 60 connections! :D
280 2010-11-23 04:54:45 <Diablo-D3> Kiba: heh
281 2010-11-23 04:56:19 <Kiba> for tommorow upload
282 2010-11-23 04:58:25 <Kiba> if there is one thing that I sucks at, it's drawing hands. Small hands.
283 2010-11-23 05:01:20 <Diablo-D3> DIABLO ROCKET FIST
284 2010-11-23 05:05:53 <Kiba> there are lot of decent bounties lately
285 2010-11-23 05:06:00 <Kiba> BUT NOBODY BROTHERS to complete them
286 2010-11-23 05:28:22 <OneFixt> ;;bc,stats
287 2010-11-23 05:28:25 <gribble> Current Blocks: 93386 | Current Difficulty: 6866.89864897 | Next Difficulty At Block: 94752 | Next Difficulty In: 1366 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 10 hours, 32 minutes, and 15 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6901.12113171
288 2010-11-23 05:35:53 <hippich> betco.in and ub.yepcorp.com back online again )
289 2010-11-23 05:36:29 <Kiba> oh goodie
290 2010-11-23 05:36:33 <Kiba> I just need to get to a scanner
291 2010-11-23 05:37:49 <Kiba> nopie :(
292 2010-11-23 05:43:20 <hippich> what is "scanner"? scanning what?
293 2010-11-23 05:45:32 <hippich> ah.
294 2010-11-23 05:45:35 <hippich> got it ))))
295 2010-11-23 05:45:41 <hippich> you handdraw images? =)
296 2010-11-23 05:47:22 <Kiba> hai.
297 2010-11-23 05:51:53 <Kiba> might as well goto sleep
298 2010-11-23 05:51:54 <Kiba> night
299 2010-11-23 05:52:02 <hippich> cya
300 2010-11-23 05:52:14 <OneFixt> ;;bc,stats
301 2010-11-23 05:52:16 <gribble> Current Blocks: 93388 | Current Difficulty: 6866.89864897 | Next Difficulty At Block: 94752 | Next Difficulty In: 1364 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 10 hours, 21 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6896.52307043
302 2010-11-23 06:15:46 <Diablo-D3> man
303 2010-11-23 06:15:49 <Diablo-D3> quakelive is hilarious
304 2010-11-23 06:15:55 <Diablo-D3> for 5 rounds in a row I laid the smack down in ctf
305 2010-11-23 06:48:48 <Diablo-D3> uh oh.
306 2010-11-23 06:49:55 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: we seem to have a problem
307 2010-11-23 06:50:05 <Diablo-D3> I may or may not have figured out how to get a larger speed boost
308 2010-11-23 06:50:28 <Diablo-D3> its going about 77.4 now.
309 2010-11-23 06:50:59 <ArtForz> hmm?
310 2010-11-23 06:51:23 <Diablo-D3> and I might be able to get it going faster with a little bit of tweaking
311 2010-11-23 06:51:50 <Diablo-D3> but its currently reading 77495 khash/sec
312 2010-11-23 06:52:03 <Diablo-D3> aaand it just ticked over to 77.5
313 2010-11-23 06:52:12 <ArtForz> well, theoretical max is 78.66 for a 4850
314 2010-11-23 06:52:33 <Diablo-D3> yes but
315 2010-11-23 06:52:38 <Diablo-D3> wtf.
316 2010-11-23 06:53:03 <OneFixt> ;;bc,estimate
317 2010-11-23 06:53:04 <gribble> 6879.43216915
318 2010-11-23 06:57:51 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: I need to quit touching it before I end the world
319 2010-11-23 07:01:28 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: this also means I beat you.
320 2010-11-23 07:15:58 <ArtForz> neat, if true
321 2010-11-23 07:18:16 <Diablo-D3> Im trying to figure out if it is true
322 2010-11-23 07:39:24 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: I might be wrong
323 2010-11-23 09:14:59 <Diablo-D3> okay I know I have fucked up somewhere
324 2010-11-23 09:15:07 <Diablo-D3> I'm getting around 78.6
325 2010-11-23 09:19:11 <Diablo-D3> okay the hash meter is calming down
326 2010-11-23 09:19:29 <Diablo-D3> its bouncing between 77.9 and 78.0
327 2010-11-23 09:23:23 <Diablo-D3> it seems to have settled out at 77.9
328 2010-11-23 09:29:58 <Diablo-D3> where is xelister
329 2010-11-23 09:30:16 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: this is absurd
330 2010-11-23 09:30:27 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: I am currently cranking away at 77.9 mhash
331 2010-11-23 09:30:56 <Diablo-D3> this should not be possible
332 2010-11-23 09:31:06 <MatthiasVance> Why not?
333 2010-11-23 09:31:11 <MatthiasVance> I was doing it at ~88 Mhash/s
334 2010-11-23 09:33:18 <Diablo-D3> MatthiasVance: because the hardware only goes 78.6
335 2010-11-23 09:34:00 <MatthiasVance> hm
336 2010-11-23 09:44:43 <Diablo-D3> lets find out if the fucker works
337 2010-11-23 09:45:57 <Diablo-D3> also
338 2010-11-23 09:46:00 <Diablo-D3> if it does
339 2010-11-23 09:46:12 <Diablo-D3> I am doing within 1% of the fucking theoretical maximum of the fucking device
340 2010-11-23 09:47:36 <Diablo-D3> assuming Im getting 77.95, and the max is 78.66
341 2010-11-23 09:47:42 <Diablo-D3> thats 99.09% efficiency
342 2010-11-23 10:10:33 <ArtForz> I suspect I know the reason
343 2010-11-23 10:10:59 <ArtForz> try timing on a 2nd box
344 2010-11-23 10:19:36 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: but I dont have a second box
345 2010-11-23 10:20:21 <ArtForz> hurrrm
346 2010-11-23 10:22:34 <ArtForz> I only mention because really pushing the cards seems to make my boxes lose timer ticks
347 2010-11-23 10:23:08 <Diablo-D3> well Im doing it the sane way
348 2010-11-23 10:23:13 <Diablo-D3> counting Hs
349 2010-11-23 10:23:22 <Diablo-D3> we're now up to 33
350 2010-11-23 10:23:46 <ArtForz> yeah, but if you count Hs/time and your *time* is off ...
351 2010-11-23 10:24:00 <MatthiasVance> +1
352 2010-11-23 10:24:11 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: you mean my actual wallclock?
353 2010-11-23 10:24:15 <ArtForz> yep
354 2010-11-23 10:24:31 <Diablo-D3> that never changes for me.
355 2010-11-23 10:24:58 <ArtForz> my quad 5970 miner seems to run slow about 25 min a day
356 2010-11-23 10:24:58 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: is that why you wanted a second box?
357 2010-11-23 10:25:03 <Diablo-D3> my laptop is fine
358 2010-11-23 10:25:11 <Diablo-D3> its ticking seconds in unison with my desktop
359 2010-11-23 10:25:30 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: btw, why arent you running ntpd?
360 2010-11-23 10:25:37 <ArtForz> on my miners?
361 2010-11-23 10:25:42 <Diablo-D3> on every box ever.
362 2010-11-23 10:25:51 <ArtForz> my normal boxes all run ntpd
363 2010-11-23 10:26:05 <Diablo-D3> ntpd would correct your time on your miner boxes too
364 2010-11-23 10:26:17 <ArtForz> yeah, and consume system resources
365 2010-11-23 10:26:30 <ArtForz> my miners are supposed to mine, not keep time
366 2010-11-23 10:26:30 <Diablo-D3> its not like you're using your cpus.
367 2010-11-23 10:27:05 <ArtForz> true
368 2010-11-23 10:27:30 <ArtForz> I just dont like having superflous daemons running on my miners
369 2010-11-23 10:27:58 <Diablo-D3> its ntpd, people use it on computers that control LIFE OR DEATH THINGS
370 2010-11-23 10:28:14 <ArtForz> dude, I run my own fucking stratum1
371 2010-11-23 10:28:28 <Diablo-D3> can I kick you really hard now? plz?
372 2010-11-23 10:29:22 <Diablo-D3> we're now up to 43
373 2010-11-23 10:29:28 <Diablo-D3> and 14 testnet blocks solved
374 2010-11-23 10:29:49 <ArtForz> and of course getting Hs is random
375 2010-11-23 10:30:05 <Diablo-D3> yes, but there would be a problem if I get none
376 2010-11-23 10:30:08 <Diablo-D3> or very little
377 2010-11-23 10:32:15 <ArtForz> here's the count of Hs for 4 5970s running for 168400s: 13405, 13504, 13344, 13807, 13390, 13247, 13460, 13322
378 2010-11-23 10:32:30 <ArtForz> I *should* be seeing 13409
379 2010-11-23 10:32:30 <Diablo-D3> thats pretty close
380 2010-11-23 10:33:04 <ArtForz> except for one that's nearly 3% "too fast"
381 2010-11-23 10:33:24 <Diablo-D3> there is, what, a 4% difference?
382 2010-11-23 10:33:30 <ArtForz> yeah
383 2010-11-23 10:33:55 <Diablo-D3> for 46 ... hours?
384 2010-11-23 10:34:07 <ArtForz> yep
385 2010-11-23 10:34:17 <Diablo-D3> maybe that 4% is rather large >_>
386 2010-11-23 10:34:29 <ArtForz> nope, all those cards are fine
387 2010-11-23 10:34:41 <ArtForz> they also report hashes done
388 2010-11-23 10:34:49 <Diablo-D3> I meant statistics wise
389 2010-11-23 10:35:07 <ArtForz> well, it's again a poisson distribution
390 2010-11-23 10:35:46 <ArtForz> imo the best way to determine true speed is reporting # of attempts to a 2nd box running ntpd
391 2010-11-23 10:36:16 <Diablo-D3> thats not really an issue though
392 2010-11-23 10:36:20 <Diablo-D3> if the clock isnt shifting
393 2010-11-23 10:36:24 <ArtForz> yea
394 2010-11-23 10:36:40 <Diablo-D3> 48
395 2010-11-23 10:37:19 <Diablo-D3> I need to quit working on this miner though
396 2010-11-23 10:37:23 <Diablo-D3> its absurd
397 2010-11-23 10:37:40 <ArtForz> imo optimizing for 4xxx is absurd
398 2010-11-23 10:37:50 <Diablo-D3> Im not optimizing for 4xxx
399 2010-11-23 10:38:00 <Diablo-D3> these things should work on ANY card
400 2010-11-23 10:38:09 <Diablo-D3> 50 done
401 2010-11-23 10:38:19 <Diablo-D3> reads 77920 khash
402 2010-11-23 10:38:28 <Diablo-D3> Started at Nov 23, 2010 5:44:38 AM
403 2010-11-23 10:38:34 <Diablo-D3> Attempt 51 found on ATI RV770 at 6:38:13 AM
404 2010-11-23 10:38:47 <Diablo-D3> thats 54 minutes
405 2010-11-23 10:38:56 <Diablo-D3> erp
406 2010-11-23 10:39:03 <Diablo-D3> Attempt 50 found on ATI RV770 at 6:37:34 AM
407 2010-11-23 10:39:14 <Diablo-D3> thats 53 minutes
408 2010-11-23 10:39:30 <Diablo-D3> so I seem to be in the right ballpark
409 2010-11-23 10:40:32 <ArtForz> that sounds a bit too high
410 2010-11-23 10:40:43 <Diablo-D3> its random.
411 2010-11-23 10:40:53 <Diablo-D3> I seem to have a more important problem
412 2010-11-23 10:41:02 <Diablo-D3> bitcoin isnt listing any of the testnet blocks found
413 2010-11-23 10:41:10 <ArtForz> no, 77920khps
414 2010-11-23 10:41:35 <ArtForz> thats like 99.1% of theoretical peak perf
415 2010-11-23 10:41:41 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: thats what I said earlier
416 2010-11-23 10:41:49 <Diablo-D3> it doesnt make any sense
417 2010-11-23 10:41:52 <ArtForz> and that peak perf is not coutning scheduling overhead, data transfer, ...
418 2010-11-23 10:42:45 <ArtForz> oh, and opencl is unable to run data transfer and kernels in parallel
419 2010-11-23 10:43:04 <Diablo-D3> I don't.
420 2010-11-23 10:43:19 <ArtForz> you don't what?
421 2010-11-23 10:43:24 <Diablo-D3> I dont run them in parallel
422 2010-11-23 10:43:31 <ArtForz> transfer data? run kernels?
423 2010-11-23 10:43:35 <Diablo-D3> yes.
424 2010-11-23 10:43:53 <Diablo-D3> and its not a limitation of opencl
425 2010-11-23 10:44:07 <ArtForz> it's a limitation of ATIs drivers/sdk
426 2010-11-23 10:44:17 <Diablo-D3> its a limitation of the hardware I suspect
427 2010-11-23 10:44:20 <ArtForz> nope
428 2010-11-23 10:44:23 <Diablo-D3> you can ask for a queue that runs stuff out of order
429 2010-11-23 10:44:23 <xelister> that slindes for 6xxx said it will be possible there
430 2010-11-23 10:44:24 <ArtForz> it works in CAL
431 2010-11-23 10:44:32 <ArtForz> it already works in CAL
432 2010-11-23 10:44:35 <Diablo-D3> heh
433 2010-11-23 10:44:45 <Diablo-D3> I ask for a queue that runs stuff in order
434 2010-11-23 10:44:46 <Diablo-D3> so feh
435 2010-11-23 10:45:02 <ArtForz> 4xxx and 5xxx can do shaders + one DMA in parallel
436 2010-11-23 10:45:13 <ArtForz> 6xxx can do shaders + 2 DMAs
437 2010-11-23 10:45:35 <ArtForz> ATIs opencl SDK isn't using DMA memoryx transfers. at all.
438 2010-11-23 10:46:23 <xelister> Diablo-D3: whats the improvements?  what should now users of 5xxx do, still patch the CL ?  btw, 5xxx is the biggest user group of modern radeons
439 2010-11-23 10:46:33 <Diablo-D3> xelister: er?
440 2010-11-23 10:46:37 <xelister> are there any radeons other then 5xxx worth considering for mining (>30 M) ?
441 2010-11-23 10:46:38 <Diablo-D3> xelister: I already told you I added that flag
442 2010-11-23 10:48:19 <ArtForz> bbl
443 2010-11-23 10:48:20 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: HEAD gives me about 74.5
444 2010-11-23 10:48:29 <Diablo-D3> meh
445 2010-11-23 10:48:35 <Diablo-D3> xelister: remember I added -a?
446 2010-11-23 10:48:42 <MatthiasVance> xelister : I get ~88 Mhash/s on my 4890
447 2010-11-23 10:48:53 <Diablo-D3> MatthiasVance: that seems low
448 2010-11-23 10:48:58 <MatthiasVance> he asked for 30 M
449 2010-11-23 10:48:59 <MatthiasVance> >
450 2010-11-23 10:49:12 <Diablo-D3> art got like 90 on his 4870
451 2010-11-23 10:49:18 <MatthiasVance> hm
452 2010-11-23 10:51:37 <Diablo-D3> and my 4850 gets >74
453 2010-11-23 10:52:06 <Diablo-D3> MatthiasVance: what are you running the miner with?
454 2010-11-23 10:52:36 <MatthiasVance> What do you mean, run it WITH
455 2010-11-23 10:52:45 <MatthiasVance> I use the pyOpenCL one
456 2010-11-23 10:52:51 <Diablo-D3> what args
457 2010-11-23 10:52:55 <MatthiasVance> None
458 2010-11-23 10:53:04 <Diablo-D3> try with -w 64
459 2010-11-23 10:53:11 <MatthiasVance> I did, it will go slower.
460 2010-11-23 10:53:16 <Diablo-D3> it shouldnt
461 2010-11-23 10:53:18 <xelister> MatthiasVance: thanks
462 2010-11-23 10:53:30 <xelister> Diablo-D3: ah indeed, -a. It still does not auto detect does it
463 2010-11-23 10:53:42 <Diablo-D3> xelister: no point to autodetect: this is useless for 2.2
464 2010-11-23 10:53:56 <Diablo-D3> MatthiasVance: -w 64 is most optimum for 48xx
465 2010-11-23 10:53:56 <xelister> Diablo-D3: point being that some users may be on 2.1
466 2010-11-23 10:54:07 <Diablo-D3> xelister: the users intelligent enough to use 2.1 CAN READ THE FUCKING MANUAL
467 2010-11-23 10:54:16 <xelister> and if it does not harm then why not
468 2010-11-23 10:54:23 <Diablo-D3> because it may harm them
469 2010-11-23 10:54:38 <xelister> Diablo-D3: user doesn't give a flying shit about opencl, he wants to "get his money" and "transfer for free instantly over internet"
470 2010-11-23 10:55:04 <xelister> how it can harm?  autodetect only if you are sure,  so when this is a known 5xxx card
471 2010-11-23 10:55:21 <xelister> and only if you are on 2.1 if you want that too
472 2010-11-23 10:55:52 <Diablo-D3> xelister: erm
473 2010-11-23 10:55:57 <Diablo-D3> the average user doesnt mine
474 2010-11-23 10:56:04 <Diablo-D3> your argument is invalid
475 2010-11-23 10:56:30 <MatthiasVance> What would be the ratio of average users / miners
476 2010-11-23 10:56:31 <MatthiasVance> xD
477 2010-11-23 10:56:34 <xelister> yeah well more advanced user. still people do not like to read manual. And you know what? can't blaim them
478 2010-11-23 10:56:51 <MatthiasVance> If they don't like to read the manual they miss out.
479 2010-11-23 10:56:54 <MatthiasVance> It's dead simple.
480 2010-11-23 10:56:58 <xelister> if you bough coffee express, you want it to make coffeey, or you want it to not work at all even not giving stupid coffeeyy
481 2010-11-23 10:57:02 <MatthiasVance> On the other hand they will be posting more on the forums. xD
482 2010-11-23 10:57:14 <xelister> untill you read 3 manuals on water pressure, grains types and grinners
483 2010-11-23 10:57:20 <Diablo-D3> xelister: advanced users who dont rtfm are not advanced users.
484 2010-11-23 10:57:22 <xelister> and google 5 forums to find out
485 2010-11-23 10:57:29 <MatthiasVance> xelister : xD
486 2010-11-23 10:57:30 <MatthiasVance> Funny.
487 2010-11-23 10:57:47 <xelister> you need to manually move part No.123 from the back of express into the coffeey filter header - that was not documented anywhere
488 2010-11-23 10:59:23 <xelister> in normal life, even people knowing a bit more about coffeey, would be bothered as shit if the 600 USD machine couldn not even poor them hot water hotter then 40 C, untill they manually fiddle with it, move some knobs inside and play with screwdriver to change setting to max temp 100C
489 2010-11-23 10:59:37 <Diablo-D3> xelister: erm
490 2010-11-23 10:59:40 <xelister> and I agree with such attitude
491 2010-11-23 10:59:41 <Diablo-D3> except it IS documented
492 2010-11-23 10:59:49 <Diablo-D3> all the arguments are documented in full
493 2010-11-23 11:00:00 <xelister> yeah the knobs are also documented in full
494 2010-11-23 11:00:39 <Diablo-D3> also
495 2010-11-23 11:00:49 <xelister> still all users would expect it to just work automatically. unless they do strange shit, like connect to EU power supply that PERHAPS would require to change 110/220 setting on the back of power cord, that one makes some sense
496 2010-11-23 11:00:54 <Diablo-D3> if they're paying $600 for a coffee machine
497 2010-11-23 11:00:57 <Diablo-D3> and NOT read the manual
498 2010-11-23 11:01:02 <Diablo-D3> they will probably end up in the ER.
499 2010-11-23 11:01:09 <xelister> that is honestly what basically all users do
500 2010-11-23 11:01:16 <xelister> you included
501 2010-11-23 11:01:22 <Diablo-D3> me?
502 2010-11-23 11:01:25 <Diablo-D3> bwahahaha
503 2010-11-23 11:01:35 <Diablo-D3> I read manual from cover to cover before I even plug the device in
504 2010-11-23 11:01:38 <xelister> there is no person that fully reads all manual to everything they use
505 2010-11-23 11:01:57 <xelister> doubt it
506 2010-11-23 11:02:21 <xelister> even if true, then 99.99% people would consider such waste of time a bad idea and do otherwise, to have time for like, life, sex, work, etc
507 2010-11-23 11:02:22 <Diablo-D3> When you pay $600 for a coffee machine, you read the manual.
508 2010-11-23 11:02:47 <xelister> I read part of it, usually there is separate install-quick-quide page or folder
509 2010-11-23 11:02:57 <Diablo-D3> Especially if you don't, you will most likely have third degree burns and permanent scarring.
510 2010-11-23 11:03:04 <Diablo-D3> Ever see a $600 coffee machine?
511 2010-11-23 11:03:11 <xelister> yes
512 2010-11-23 11:03:13 <Diablo-D3> They don't make coffee.
513 2010-11-23 11:03:18 <Diablo-D3> They make fancy things like espressos.
514 2010-11-23 11:03:22 <xelister> didnt used it though, not mine
515 2010-11-23 11:03:24 <xelister> yea
516 2010-11-23 11:03:31 <Diablo-D3> Ever see how an espresso machine works?
517 2010-11-23 11:03:41 <Diablo-D3> They force high pressure boiling hot water through a puck.
518 2010-11-23 11:03:54 <Diablo-D3> If you do not do it exactly as it is meant to do, you will not make the mistake twice.
519 2010-11-23 11:04:28 <xelister> that reminds me how people are payed thousands of dolars for not being warned on the cup that the coffeey from mac is hot
520 2010-11-23 11:04:33 <xelister> that one is ridiculous example
521 2010-11-23 11:04:38 <Diablo-D3> that was the courts fucking up
522 2010-11-23 11:04:43 <Diablo-D3> nothing more, nothing less.
523 2010-11-23 11:04:43 <xelister> but user should expect things to not blow up overall
524 2010-11-23 11:05:04 <Diablo-D3> xelister: hell
525 2010-11-23 11:05:11 <Diablo-D3> I have a $1200 monitor infront of me
526 2010-11-23 11:05:34 <Diablo-D3> it has a "secret" hidden menu
527 2010-11-23 11:05:40 <Diablo-D3> it is documented in the manual.
528 2010-11-23 11:05:53 <xelister> you know what? if I have money to buy say 20 gadgets a week, I would prefer a world where I dont have to read 20 fucking manuals each week to use them more or less properly. And 99% of stuff follows this rule
529 2010-11-23 11:06:07 <Diablo-D3> but why would you buy 20 gadgets a week?
530 2010-11-23 11:06:10 <Diablo-D3> why would you buy ANY?
531 2010-11-23 11:06:24 <xelister> for fun
532 2010-11-23 11:06:29 <Diablo-D3> how is that fun?
533 2010-11-23 11:06:34 <Diablo-D3> spending money is not fun at all.
534 2010-11-23 11:06:51 <xelister> Diablo-D3: fell free to transfer all gathered coins to me :)
535 2010-11-23 11:07:23 <Diablo-D3> like, all these faggots who keep buying new game consoles
536 2010-11-23 11:07:24 <Diablo-D3> why?
537 2010-11-23 11:07:36 <Diablo-D3> they break frequently, and the games arent any fun
538 2010-11-23 11:07:37 <xelister> you dont want to spend them anyways
539 2010-11-23 11:07:49 <Diablo-D3> or people who own cell phones
540 2010-11-23 11:07:50 <Diablo-D3> why?
541 2010-11-23 11:08:07 <Diablo-D3> or people who own ipads
542 2010-11-23 11:08:10 <Diablo-D3> or netbooks
543 2010-11-23 11:08:18 <xelister> gaypads
544 2010-11-23 11:08:21 <Diablo-D3> all this silly keeping up with the jones shit is dumb
545 2010-11-23 11:13:21 <xelister> Diablo-D3:  <xelister> there is no person that fully reads all manual to everything they use      * Diablo-D3 does
546 2010-11-23 11:13:48 <xelister> Diablo-D3: do you use: metro, trains, airplanes, elevators, automatic doors
547 2010-11-23 11:14:20 <xelister> while you could say "its not <<mine>>" you can still find needed manuals online or somewhere
548 2010-11-23 11:14:38 <xelister> :]
549 2010-11-23 11:15:47 <Diablo-D3> no, no, no, no, and no.
550 2010-11-23 11:16:38 <xelister> so then you do not read mans to all you use
551 2010-11-23 11:16:48 <Diablo-D3> you asked if I used them
552 2010-11-23 11:16:48 <xelister> even when you could find said manuals
553 2010-11-23 11:16:50 <Diablo-D3> I dont.
554 2010-11-23 11:17:00 <xelister> you dont use any of this devices?
555 2010-11-23 11:17:04 <Diablo-D3> nope.
556 2010-11-23 11:17:20 <xelister> so how are you going to meet someone at 30th floor, or, at all get into the building
557 2010-11-23 11:17:25 <xelister> are you now trolling us ;)
558 2010-11-23 11:17:31 <Diablo-D3> we dont have buildings with 30 floors around here
559 2010-11-23 11:17:41 <xelister> biggest anti-tech amish person, and runs/write a miner?
560 2010-11-23 11:18:31 <xelister> Diablo-D3: you did not used, in adult life, an elevator or automatically open doors ever?
561 2010-11-23 11:18:59 <Diablo-D3> I think Ive been on an elevator twice
562 2010-11-23 11:19:04 <Diablo-D3> dont particularly care for them
563 2010-11-23 11:19:15 <xelister> oh noes, and you didnt read manual?
564 2010-11-23 11:19:36 <Diablo-D3> wasnt the one operating it.
565 2010-11-23 11:20:02 <UukGoblin> yo
566 2010-11-23 11:20:05 <UukGoblin> topic is outdated
567 2010-11-23 11:20:11 <UukGoblin> we have 0.3.15 it seems
568 2010-11-23 11:20:29 <xelister> Diablo-D3: you are operating it, by pressing this buttons numbered like 1,2,3,4,5...
569 2010-11-23 11:20:57 <Diablo-D3> xelister: nope, first time when I was younger and had neumonia and I was being wheeled around in a wheel chair
570 2010-11-23 11:21:24 <Diablo-D3> second time I was moving computer equipment between floors at my high school
571 2010-11-23 11:21:24 <xelister> wtf where do you live, in amishvile? never visiting bigger city? :)
572 2010-11-23 11:22:23 <Diablo-D3> no, I do not live in PA.
573 2010-11-23 11:23:48 <xelister> hi UukGoblin
574 2010-11-23 11:33:08 <UukGoblin> hi
575 2010-11-23 11:39:05 <UukGoblin> hrm, is it possible to exchange pecunix for actual gold?
576 2010-11-23 11:41:03 <Diablo-D3> I dont think so
577 2010-11-23 11:41:06 <Diablo-D3> not without actually buying it
578 2010-11-23 11:51:12 <Diablo-D3> xelister: you here?
579 2010-11-23 11:53:50 <Diablo-D3> xelister: try http://adterrasperaspera.com/images/DiabloMiner-test.zip
580 2010-11-23 11:56:54 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, it's even hard to find a retailer... they all claim to buy/sell gold, but in fact they just buy/sell pecunix or other e-gold
581 2010-11-23 11:57:07 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: what, to buy physical gold?
582 2010-11-23 11:57:12 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, yeah
583 2010-11-23 11:57:21 <Diablo-D3> you're looking in the wrong places then
584 2010-11-23 11:57:45 <UukGoblin> I put 'buy gold with pecunix' in google
585 2010-11-23 11:57:55 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: thats where you went wrong
586 2010-11-23 11:58:00 <Diablo-D3> liquidate your pecunix into dollars
587 2010-11-23 11:58:29 <UukGoblin> I don't want dollars but gold
588 2010-11-23 11:58:44 <Diablo-D3> you need the dollars to BUY the gold
589 2010-11-23 11:59:08 <UukGoblin> I already have dollars, so what's the point of having pecunix
590 2010-11-23 11:59:21 <Diablo-D3> whats the point of bitcoin then
591 2010-11-23 11:59:24 <Diablo-D3> its the same argument
592 2010-11-23 11:59:34 <Diablo-D3> anyhow, if you want to buy actual physical gold, go do business with apmex
593 2010-11-23 11:59:58 <Diablo-D3> they have a good selection of us eagles and krugerrands
594 2010-11-23 12:00:43 <UukGoblin> I'm in UK
595 2010-11-23 12:00:49 <Diablo-D3> heh
596 2010-11-23 12:00:55 <Diablo-D3> cant the UK just come in and steal your gold?
597 2010-11-23 12:01:01 <Diablo-D3> silly third world country
598 2010-11-23 12:01:25 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: you probably have local dealers
599 2010-11-23 12:02:14 <Diablo-D3> everywhere has hole in the wall places that deal in gold and silver under the guise of numismatics
600 2010-11-23 12:03:01 <UukGoblin> anyway, I don't see the point of pecunix "backing" - you can't redeem the pecunix for gold, so what's the point of them storing gold in Switzerland at all
601 2010-11-23 12:03:15 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: so it can't be stolen, really
602 2010-11-23 12:03:30 <Diablo-D3> no world government can attack it without a large orchestrated effort.
603 2010-11-23 12:03:30 <UukGoblin> uhm
604 2010-11-23 12:03:57 <UukGoblin> 1. it can be stolen from the vault by an experienced thief, 2. it can be stolen from your account by an experienced hacker
605 2010-11-23 12:04:37 <UukGoblin> it can /always/ be stolen
606 2010-11-23 12:04:50 <Diablo-D3> 2 isnt the issue
607 2010-11-23 12:04:56 <UukGoblin> I thought the idea of 'backing' a currency with gold was that the currency was /exchangable/ (redeemable) for gold
608 2010-11-23 12:04:58 <Diablo-D3> and 1, prrroabbly not
609 2010-11-23 12:05:18 <Diablo-D3> you dont actually know where the vault is
610 2010-11-23 12:05:24 <Diablo-D3> it may not be in switzerland at all
611 2010-11-23 12:05:35 <Diablo-D3> or the one in switzerland can just be can expensive fake.
612 2010-11-23 12:05:49 <UukGoblin> from wikipedia "Pecunix gold bullion is stored with Mat Securitas Express AG in Zurich, Switzerland."
613 2010-11-23 12:06:13 <Diablo-D3> like I said, supposedly.
614 2010-11-23 12:06:14 <UukGoblin> but it doesn't even matter whether the actual gold can be stolen or not
615 2010-11-23 12:06:23 <UukGoblin> it's just inaccessible, it could as well not be there at all
616 2010-11-23 12:06:33 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: and it'd have too much overhead to actually do what you want anyhow
617 2010-11-23 12:06:37 <Diablo-D3> I mean
618 2010-11-23 12:06:44 <Diablo-D3> I imagine if you went to switzerland
619 2010-11-23 12:06:50 <Diablo-D3> and picked up the gold yourself
620 2010-11-23 12:06:53 <Diablo-D3> they could do it
621 2010-11-23 12:07:00 <Diablo-D3> but they're sure as hell not shipping it to you
622 2010-11-23 12:07:12 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: your question is similar to "why own GLD"
623 2010-11-23 12:07:21 <Diablo-D3> GLD is an ETF on the stock market that is backed by gold.
624 2010-11-23 12:07:21 <UukGoblin> they /could/, but they won't
625 2010-11-23 12:07:27 <Diablo-D3> why own it at all
626 2010-11-23 12:07:32 <UukGoblin> it's actually not a big deal for me to go to switzerland
627 2010-11-23 12:07:34 <Diablo-D3> you cant exchange it with real gold
628 2010-11-23 12:07:53 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: you use pecunix, right?
629 2010-11-23 12:08:20 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, no, I was considering for a minute
630 2010-11-23 12:08:23 <Diablo-D3> ahh
631 2010-11-23 12:08:28 <Diablo-D3> I wonder what the accounts are denominated in
632 2010-11-23 12:08:32 <UukGoblin> GAU
633 2010-11-23 12:08:37 <Diablo-D3> gau?
634 2010-11-23 12:08:38 <UukGoblin> which is a gold gram
635 2010-11-23 12:08:41 <Diablo-D3> ahh
636 2010-11-23 12:08:45 <Diablo-D3> that makes far more sense than
637 2010-11-23 12:08:55 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: its EXACTLY like owning GLD.
638 2010-11-23 12:09:04 <Diablo-D3> the value of GLD goes up and, theoretically, down
639 2010-11-23 12:09:19 <Diablo-D3> I put $100 into GLD today, I get more than $100 out sometime in the future
640 2010-11-23 12:09:37 <Diablo-D3> it maintains the actual value of what I put into it
641 2010-11-23 12:09:38 <UukGoblin> my way of thinking?
642 2010-11-23 12:09:49 <Diablo-D3> ie, the value of gold doesnt change.... the value of the dollar does.
643 2010-11-23 12:09:54 <UukGoblin> I put $100 into GLD today, nuclear war breaks out tomorrow, I get fuckall in 2 days.
644 2010-11-23 12:10:01 <Diablo-D3> well yes
645 2010-11-23 12:10:06 <Diablo-D3> thats why you want REAL gold on hand
646 2010-11-23 12:10:11 <Diablo-D3> gld nor pecunix offer you that
647 2010-11-23 12:10:15 <Diablo-D3> they're not meant to
648 2010-11-23 12:10:16 <UukGoblin> exactly
649 2010-11-23 12:10:22 <Diablo-D3> then again
650 2010-11-23 12:10:26 <Diablo-D3> if nuclear war breaks out tommorow
651 2010-11-23 12:10:32 <Diablo-D3> you're either dead or will soon be dead
652 2010-11-23 12:11:03 <Diablo-D3> remember, the US produces much of the world's food
653 2010-11-23 12:11:05 <UukGoblin> I'll soon be dead anyway (what is several decades in the scale of the earth)
654 2010-11-23 12:11:17 <Diablo-D3> if we're eradicated, the entire world starves to death
655 2010-11-23 12:11:17 <UukGoblin> US? food? nonsense ;-]
656 2010-11-23 12:28:47 <xelister> US in fact flood world with genetic modified high glucose corn
657 2010-11-23 12:29:15 <xelister> but I think we would not starve, it would just stimulate re-growth of farms in eu and so on
658 2010-11-23 12:38:30 <Diablo-D3> xelister: do your job
659 2010-11-23 12:38:36 <Diablo-D3> [07:53:50] <Diablo-D3> xelister: try http://adterrasperaspera.com/images/DiabloMiner-test.zip
660 2010-11-23 12:39:01 <xelister> hm?
661 2010-11-23 12:39:05 <xelister> I can git pull or something
662 2010-11-23 12:39:37 <Diablo-D3> no
663 2010-11-23 12:39:49 <Diablo-D3> custom build with extra awesome
664 2010-11-23 12:39:55 <xelister> uhm
665 2010-11-23 12:39:59 <xelister> thoes are sources?
666 2010-11-23 12:40:03 <Diablo-D3> no
667 2010-11-23 12:40:04 <Diablo-D3> binary
668 2010-11-23 12:40:05 <xelister> I dont run unknown binaries...
669 2010-11-23 12:40:16 <xelister> do I look like a windows user ;)
670 2010-11-23 12:40:23 <Diablo-D3> Im not adding this to git until I know it works on 5xxx as well as I hope it does
671 2010-11-23 12:40:32 <Diablo-D3> giant radical new change
672 2010-11-23 12:40:47 <Diablo-D3> xelister: remember how art says my card should do 78.6?
673 2010-11-23 12:40:48 <xelister> it will display popup with goatse? ;)
674 2010-11-23 12:40:56 <xelister> mhm
675 2010-11-23 12:41:01 <Diablo-D3> I went from 74.5 to 77.9
676 2010-11-23 12:42:18 <Diablo-D3> I am now very sure I can't get any speed out of it anymore
677 2010-11-23 12:42:38 <Diablo-D3> that theoretical maximum doesn't include actually doing shit with it
678 2010-11-23 12:42:55 <Diablo-D3> such as enqueue read/write
679 2010-11-23 12:43:17 <Diablo-D3> xelister: so benchmark git head vs that
680 2010-11-23 12:43:43 <Diablo-D3> hrm, I wonder if it'll be faster on geforces too
681 2010-11-23 12:43:48 <UukGoblin> xelister, same as me ;-]
682 2010-11-23 12:44:01 <Diablo-D3> xelister: do we know anyone on geforce?
683 2010-11-23 12:44:07 <xelister> yes
684 2010-11-23 12:44:31 <xelister> but it needs my work to get it to them
685 2010-11-23 12:44:45 <xelister> turns out I have lots to do today
686 2010-11-23 12:45:17 <xelister> Diablo-D3: if you can provide me with some sources that I can build, perhaps I can test in evening or tommorow; if not then most people here have 5xxx's too imho
687 2010-11-23 12:45:37 <xelister> or just send me (dcc?) current .java / .cl
688 2010-11-23 12:52:22 <Diablo-D3> xelister: dude, just run the jar
689 2010-11-23 13:04:20 <xelister> that's against security policy, and I dont have dedicated radeon box yet
690 2010-11-23 13:04:34 <xelister> not CUDA one
691 2010-11-23 13:04:36 <xelister> *nor
692 2010-11-23 13:05:52 <Diablo-D3> xelister: you're overly paranoid
693 2010-11-23 13:05:57 <Diablo-D3> why would I send you a broken binary to begin with
694 2010-11-23 13:06:21 <xelister> paranoid is requirment for any sysadmin :) you sounded like a person that should really know that
695 2010-11-23 13:07:09 <xelister> what should be sha sum of this file you posted?  http://adterrasperaspera.com/images/DiabloMiner-test.zip
696 2010-11-23 13:07:34 <xelister> bbl
697 2010-11-23 13:07:45 <Diablo-D3> 4a857b01da6a1df68dcbb40ad96108080816eaab965cdc4d329819147dd90df1  DiabloMiner.zip
698 2010-11-23 13:08:09 <Diablo-D3> xelister: and no, being overly paranoid is nuts
699 2010-11-23 13:48:57 <Kiba> hello folks.
700 2010-11-23 14:03:22 <anarchy> anyone ever read 'the market for liberty' by morris and linda tannehill
701 2010-11-23 14:03:34 <Kiba> naw.
702 2010-11-23 14:03:35 <anarchy> hey kiba
703 2010-11-23 14:03:50 <anarchy> what a book :)
704 2010-11-23 14:04:41 <anarchy> you can download it for free
705 2010-11-23 14:05:00 <anarchy> not sure if i can paste links inhere, but you can easily google it
706 2010-11-23 14:05:20 <anarchy> highly recommended
707 2010-11-23 14:05:34 <Kiba> so many things to do, so little time.
708 2010-11-23 14:05:34 <UukGoblin> you can paste links in here if they fit in 1-2 lines (or use tinyurl or bit.ly or something if they're longer)
709 2010-11-23 14:09:39 <anarchy> http://libertyactivism.info/uploads/6/65/The_Market_for_Liberty_-_Morris_and_Linda_Tannehill.pdf
710 2010-11-23 14:12:55 <nanotube> anarchy: brief synopsis of book, can you give? :)
711 2010-11-23 14:16:14 <gribble> 6889.25852312
712 2010-11-23 14:16:14 <OneFixt> ;;bc,estimate
713 2010-11-23 14:21:30 <Kiba> 10 BTC is added to my coffer
714 2010-11-23 14:21:41 <Kiba> 10% rule means I can only keep 1 BTC.
715 2010-11-23 14:25:56 <anarchy> what was the last thing i said? i got disconnected
716 2010-11-23 14:26:06 <Kiba> PDF link.
717 2010-11-23 14:26:12 <anarchy> crap lol
718 2010-11-23 14:26:16 <anarchy> i was on a serious rant here
719 2010-11-23 14:26:36 <anarchy> it talks about how markets self regulate
720 2010-11-23 14:26:44 <anarchy> then it points out why government is a coercive monopoly and can never be efficient
721 2010-11-23 14:26:55 <anarchy> after that it becomes interesting showing how a laissez-fair society would work
722 2010-11-23 14:27:04 <anarchy> and in the end it tells you how to get there
723 2010-11-23 14:27:12 <anarchy> among things 'the economy should be provided with media of exchange to replace the dollar'
724 2010-11-23 14:27:23 <anarchy> so definitely a good read, and its written for the masses
725 2010-11-23 14:27:31 <anarchy> in other words, wont give you too much of a headache
726 2010-11-23 14:27:41 <anarchy> not too much intellectual mumbo-jumbo
727 2010-11-23 14:27:51 <anarchy> its the one book i read that finally put in writing exactly what i already knew
728 2010-11-23 14:27:57 <anarchy> so it was enlightening
729 2010-11-23 14:28:02 <anarchy> best book ever :)
730 2010-11-23 14:28:10 <anarchy> the amazing thing is that it was written in 1970 and the issues are ever so current today
731 2010-11-23 14:28:20 <anarchy> like the state actively trying to undermine free-market-ideals
732 2010-11-23 14:29:00 <brocktice> anarchy, people got really into that in the 60s and 70s
733 2010-11-23 14:29:13 <anarchy> yeah what happened?
734 2010-11-23 14:29:14 <brocktice> Check out "How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World" by Harry Browne.
735 2010-11-23 14:29:29 <anarchy> ok ill download it
736 2010-11-23 14:29:31 <brocktice> I think most of them decided it was easier to live within the system and under the radar than to try to change it
737 2010-11-23 14:29:51 <anarchy> the problem is that the under the radar will eventually no longer be possible
738 2010-11-23 14:30:05 <brocktice> sure it will, what do you think crypto-anarchy is all about?
739 2010-11-23 14:30:08 <Kiba> What we need to do is
740 2010-11-23 14:30:13 <Kiba> to BORE a hole
741 2010-11-23 14:30:17 <Kiba> that they can't repair.
742 2010-11-23 14:30:35 <Kiba> than it doesn't matter if the majority of the population don't believe in liberty
743 2010-11-23 14:31:25 <Kiba> certainly, we have an ideal
744 2010-11-23 14:31:42 <Kiba> but it's not like we hate the way everything is now.
745 2010-11-23 14:31:47 <gavinandresen> All the isms are utopian.
746 2010-11-23 14:32:04 <brocktice> I used to be really hard core libertarian.
747 2010-11-23 14:32:32 <brocktice> Now I just want to keep the government from totally screwing up everything.
748 2010-11-23 14:32:39 <Kiba> nanashi@satoko sound really suspicious
749 2010-11-23 14:32:45 <Kiba> maybe it is Satoshi's real name
750 2010-11-23 14:32:54 <Kiba> maybe, he's actually a girl?
751 2010-11-23 14:32:57 <brocktice> where'd that come from?
752 2010-11-23 14:33:06 <Kiba> bd__ timed out
753 2010-11-23 14:34:01 <Kiba> brocktice: well. I wish I know what will happens in the future.
754 2010-11-23 14:34:08 <anarchy> so the guy is still a mystery huh? :) noone ever saw him in real life?
755 2010-11-23 14:34:20 <Kiba> n0body know.
756 2010-11-23 14:34:32 <anarchy> hes a genius
757 2010-11-23 14:34:37 <gavinandresen> He or she or it or them are very good at not saying much.
758 2010-11-23 14:34:47 <anarchy> very efficient
759 2010-11-23 14:34:48 <nanotube> heh well, if i were him, i'd stay really well hidden.
760 2010-11-23 14:35:02 <Kiba> let hope he does stay hidden. It's entertaining.
761 2010-11-23 14:35:22 <Kiba> I'll get to do a series of sketches about The Mystery Of Satoshi Nakamoto.
762 2010-11-23 14:35:27 <anarchy> yeah a real V
763 2010-11-23 14:35:28 <anarchy> :)
764 2010-11-23 14:35:40 <Kiba> V?
765 2010-11-23 14:35:45 <gavinandresen> for Vendetta
766 2010-11-23 14:36:00 <anarchy> indeed
767 2010-11-23 14:36:24 <anarchy> if you havent seen that movie yet, its a must
768 2010-11-23 14:36:27 <Kiba> there was a Japanese economist who studied the economic calculation debate.
769 2010-11-23 14:36:46 <Kiba> he's shown in an Austrian family branch...
770 2010-11-23 14:36:48 <Kiba> I think
771 2010-11-23 14:36:58 <Kiba> something like that
772 2010-11-23 14:38:47 <ne0futur> i confirm V for vandetta is really a great movie ! must see !
773 2010-11-23 14:39:29 <anarchy> its in my top 3 together with the matrix :)
774 2010-11-23 14:41:24 <Kiba> Katsuichi Yamamoto
775 2010-11-23 14:42:36 <Kiba> Austrian school economist from Japan, I guess.
776 2010-11-23 14:48:21 <anarchy> i generated 50.01 BTC?
777 2010-11-23 14:48:25 <anarchy> whats that
778 2010-11-23 14:49:09 <anarchy> someone paid a transaction fee?
779 2010-11-23 14:49:38 <Kiba> goodie, for you!
780 2010-11-23 14:51:15 <gavinandresen> The Bitcoin Faucet is running with -paytxfee=0.01 right now.
781 2010-11-23 14:54:12 <anarchy> interesting
782 2010-11-23 14:54:29 <anarchy> the difference is that it goes through instantly like that right?
783 2010-11-23 14:54:34 <anarchy> instead of having no confirmation?
784 2010-11-23 14:54:57 <anarchy> it confirms the transaction immediately?
785 2010-11-23 14:55:37 <brocktice> I think it just gets higher priority for inclusion within blocks
786 2010-11-23 14:56:53 <ne0futur> anarchy: same here ! blade runner being the 3rd in the top 3 ;)
787 2010-11-23 14:57:24 <ne0futur> ( competing with the truman show for 3rd place )
788 2010-11-23 14:58:59 <gavinandresen> brocktice:  exactly right, the tx fee moves its transactions up to the front of the "please include me in the block you're generating" queue.
789 2010-11-23 15:20:02 <Kiba> http://ub.yepcorp.com/file/download/4
790 2010-11-23 15:20:07 <Kiba> My revised sketch!
791 2010-11-23 15:47:57 <Kiba> yo.
792 2010-11-23 15:55:08 <AAA_awright> Kiba: Maybe it should automatically push the file when it gets it?
793 2010-11-23 15:55:29 <Kiba> AAA_awright: ?
794 2010-11-23 15:55:49 <AAA_awright> Having to manually refresh the page, come on, that's so 2006
795 2010-11-23 15:56:28 <Kiba> it's still in early development and you're complaining?
796 2010-11-23 15:56:44 <nanotube> it's never too early to complain!
797 2010-11-23 15:57:21 <anarchy> ios 4.2.. lets see if i can leave my irc client running in background and rid myself of my computer :)
798 2010-11-23 15:57:55 <Kiba> hmm. dirty glasses
799 2010-11-23 15:59:25 <ne0futur> anarchy: better use a ssh/screen/irssi for 24/24 irc ;)
800 2010-11-23 15:59:41 <anarchy> :)
801 2010-11-23 15:59:51 <anarchy> guy who made irssi (geert) is a personal friend of mine
802 2010-11-23 15:59:58 <anarchy> nice client
803 2010-11-23 16:01:19 <Kiba> I used emacs as my IRC client
804 2010-11-23 16:02:43 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: you here?
805 2010-11-23 16:04:23 <brocktice> Diablo-D3, for a moment, yes
806 2010-11-23 16:04:25 <brocktice> what's up?
807 2010-11-23 16:08:16 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: you have those 4x 5970 right?
808 2010-11-23 16:08:44 <brocktice> no
809 2010-11-23 16:08:45 <brocktice> only 2
810 2010-11-23 16:08:54 <Diablo-D3> er right
811 2010-11-23 16:08:55 <brocktice> 4 cores, 2 cards
812 2010-11-23 16:09:02 <Diablo-D3> thats what Imeant
813 2010-11-23 16:09:13 <Diablo-D3> http://adterrasperaspera.com/images/DiabloMiner-test.zip
814 2010-11-23 16:09:25 <Diablo-D3> it now contains 100% extra fuck you, AMD
815 2010-11-23 16:10:47 <brocktice> That's a good thing I take it?
816 2010-11-23 16:10:50 <Diablo-D3> Yes
817 2010-11-23 16:11:03 <brocktice> mmkay I have to go to a meeting with a customer here in a minute
818 2010-11-23 16:11:07 <Diablo-D3> that magical 78.6 art says is the theoretical maximum? I'm getting 77.9
819 2010-11-23 16:11:08 <brocktice> but after I get back I'll check it out
820 2010-11-23 16:11:12 <brocktice> nice
821 2010-11-23 16:11:16 <Diablo-D3> but I have no clue how well it works on 5xxx
822 2010-11-23 16:12:33 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: Im going to bed soon, so test it, and tell me how it turns out when I get uo
823 2010-11-23 16:12:36 <Diablo-D3> *up
824 2010-11-23 16:12:47 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: and Im already aware it screws over X interacitivity, I havent re-fixed that
825 2010-11-23 16:26:40 <xelister> Diablo-D3: "fuck you, AMD" ?
826 2010-11-23 16:28:08 <Kiba> http://ub.yepcorp.com/file/download/4
827 2010-11-23 16:28:14 <Kiba> so did anybody download my art yet?
828 2010-11-23 17:49:18 <anarchy-ipad> test
829 2010-11-23 17:50:16 <anarchy-ipad> crap keyboard blocks view wtf
830 2010-11-23 17:54:15 <Diablo-D3> xelister: yes\n56397
831 2010-11-23 17:56:54 <Diablo-D3> xelister: it'd be nice to know if this is faster on 5xxx though
832 2010-11-23 17:56:58 <Diablo-D3> anyhow Im going to bed
833 2010-11-23 17:56:59 <Diablo-D3> night all
834 2010-11-23 18:00:43 <altamic> night Diablo-D3
835 2010-11-23 18:40:10 <anarchy> ;;bc.stats
836 2010-11-23 18:40:10 <gribble> Error: "bc.stats" is not a valid command.
837 2010-11-23 18:40:17 <anarchy> ;;bc,stats
838 2010-11-23 18:40:20 <gribble> Current Blocks: 93462 | Current Difficulty: 6866.89864897 | Next Difficulty At Block: 94752 | Next Difficulty In: 1290 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 23 hours, and 39 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6866.55233042
839 2010-11-23 18:40:47 <anarchy> par :)
840 2010-11-23 18:44:13 <nanotube> wow yea
841 2010-11-23 18:58:42 <pringles_> does it seem to you guys like 6866 is SO much harder than 4500 was
842 2010-11-23 18:59:33 <Kiba> a certain twitter user is annoying me bad arguments
843 2010-11-23 19:00:15 <nanotube> Kiba: you can just ignore him. i see his posts on #bc-news :)
844 2010-11-23 19:00:27 <nanotube> you should be on #bc-news :)
845 2010-11-23 19:01:33 <Kiba> nanotube: I don't like people spewing bullshits
846 2010-11-23 19:01:39 <nanotube> pringles_: yes, about 1.5 times harder, in fact. :) but really, there was some tx spam going on for part of this batch, and some old-version generator code got dinged because it didn't efficiently deal with tx
847 2010-11-23 19:02:00 <nanotube> pringles_: so if you're using a gpu gen, be sure to grab the latest code
848 2010-11-23 19:02:09 <Kiba> especially bullshits that doesn't hellp bitcoin be more secure.
849 2010-11-23 19:02:10 <ne0futur> Kiba: all the tweets concerning bitcoins are realtime on #bc-news
850 2010-11-23 19:02:14 <ne0futur> and much more ;)
851 2010-11-23 19:03:40 <Kiba> he await deflationary collapse
852 2010-11-23 19:03:51 <nanotube> Kiba: well, let him wait
853 2010-11-23 19:03:53 <Kiba> if deflation didn't kill us in the last 3 months
854 2010-11-23 19:04:01 <Kiba> it won't kill us, ever.
855 2010-11-23 19:04:13 <Kiba> well, to be more percise, growth deflation.
856 2010-11-23 19:06:06 <pringles_> nanotube: i dunno...4500 was 1.5 times harder than the previous diff but i didn't see such a large drop in production when that difficulty hit like i do now. even after the tx spam
857 2010-11-23 19:06:19 <ne0futur> there is much more volume to sell than to buy
858 2010-11-23 19:06:44 <ne0futur> the btc value is not going down because the guys having bitcoins are reasonable
859 2010-11-23 19:07:36 <ne0futur> imho only one guy having 30k bitcoins to sell could make the btc value go down fast
860 2010-11-23 19:08:02 <Kiba> somebody did 200K bitcoins
861 2010-11-23 19:08:07 <Kiba> drop the price real fast
862 2010-11-23 19:08:16 <Kiba> but then it return to normal quick
863 2010-11-23 19:09:06 <Kiba> but then, it was at a rather low price to begin with.
864 2010-11-23 19:11:05 <Kiba> acrylicist is a crappy economist
865 2010-11-23 19:12:43 <mpkomara> first time here, i followed the link from Bruce Wagner's bitcoinme.com site.  so how does this work?
866 2010-11-23 19:12:55 <nanotube> mpkomara: this meaning irc, or this meaning bitcoin? :)
867 2010-11-23 19:12:59 <mpkomara> irc
868 2010-11-23 19:13:17 <nanotube> well, it's working as we speak. you say stuff... everyone on channel sees
869 2010-11-23 19:13:19 <Kiba> IRC is like instant messaging.
870 2010-11-23 19:13:27 <nanotube> multiplayer instant messaging. :)
871 2010-11-23 19:13:35 <mpkomara> is this a technical chat
872 2010-11-23 19:13:45 <Kiba> Sometime.
873 2010-11-23 19:13:48 <mpkomara> the feedback is amazing
874 2010-11-23 19:13:56 <Kiba> feedback?
875 2010-11-23 19:13:56 <mpkomara> why bother in bitcoin.org
876 2010-11-23 19:14:18 <Kiba> the bitcoin forum is more perma
877 2010-11-23 19:14:24 <Kiba> IRC is more like tempa
878 2010-11-23 19:14:29 <mpkomara> who sees this
879 2010-11-23 19:14:37 <Kiba> anybody who joined this channel
880 2010-11-23 19:14:48 <mpkomara> will The Man see this?
881 2010-11-23 19:15:00 <Kiba> yes, just they see posts on the forum.
882 2010-11-23 19:15:40 <gavinandresen> The Man won't see it, but the Men in Black will.
883 2010-11-23 19:15:48 <mpkomara> oh hello gavin
884 2010-11-23 19:15:57 <gavinandresen> howdy
885 2010-11-23 19:15:58 <mpkomara> all my bitcoin heroes are here
886 2010-11-23 19:16:01 <mpkomara> that's cool!
887 2010-11-23 19:17:14 <Kiba> who are the heroes?
888 2010-11-23 19:17:15 <nanotube> mpkomara: indeed. irc is where the action is. :)
889 2010-11-23 19:17:31 <Kiba> Satoshi is never here
890 2010-11-23 19:17:38 <Kiba> he's a...mystery man
891 2010-11-23 19:17:41 <Kiba> or mystery girl?
892 2010-11-23 19:17:46 <nanotube> s/man/human/ :)
893 2010-11-23 19:17:49 <mpkomara> he's not even japanese
894 2010-11-23 19:17:57 <mpkomara> totally Ukranian
895 2010-11-23 19:18:00 <Kiba> so that your theory?
896 2010-11-23 19:18:18 <mpkomara> only a launderer could come up with this idea
897 2010-11-23 19:18:37 <nanotube> or a libertarian. :)
898 2010-11-23 19:18:56 <Kiba> The Mystery of Satoshi Nakamoto
899 2010-11-23 19:19:35 <mpkomara> i was getting frustrated with the forum's response to the thread "is increasing difficulty a good sign"
900 2010-11-23 19:20:29 <djoot> Kiba: price is determined by supply/demand, value is subjective. But close enough :)
901 2010-11-23 19:20:36 <mpkomara> for a given difficulty isn't it better to have n+1 generators rather than n generators?
902 2010-11-23 19:20:42 <nanotube> mpkomara: while you are here, check out some other interesting bitcoin-related channels... we have #bitcoin-market for live streaming mtg/bcm quotes, #bc-news for streaming rss feeds, and #bitcoin-otc for OTC trading
903 2010-11-23 19:21:23 <djoot> that acrylicist annoys the hell out of me too..
904 2010-11-23 19:22:04 <djoot> good job trying to set him straight Kiba
905 2010-11-23 19:22:31 <Kiba> poor economics make baby Satoshi cry ;)
906 2010-11-23 19:23:01 <brocktice> ArtForz, you're using ipv6?
907 2010-11-23 19:23:17 <ArtForz> yup
908 2010-11-23 19:23:19 <nanotube> his host seems to speak for itself :)
909 2010-11-23 19:23:37 <brocktice> ArtForz, does your ISP provide that native or do you have to do a bridge or whatever it's called?
910 2010-11-23 19:23:42 <ArtForz> he.net tunnel
911 2010-11-23 19:23:46 <brocktice> ah
912 2010-11-23 19:26:47 <brocktice> acrylicist is just pissy because bitcoin is tromping all over his xi thing.
913 2010-11-23 19:26:55 <nanotube> what xi thing?
914 2010-11-23 19:27:00 <brocktice> See my tweet a few days ago
915 2010-11-23 19:27:05 <brocktice> xifin.wordpress.com
916 2010-11-23 19:27:40 <brocktice> "What you have is a bunch of nerds sitting in the basement, building their water-cooled GPU farms to generate BTC hoping for riches! "
917 2010-11-23 19:27:45 <brocktice> Hey, I resemble that... strongly.
918 2010-11-23 19:28:06 <Kiba> nerds don't make money when there are no deflation.
919 2010-11-23 19:28:12 <brocktice> nerd - yep, basement - yep, water-cooled gpu farm - well, farm is a strong word.
920 2010-11-23 19:28:16 <brocktice> Yeah he has it all wrong
921 2010-11-23 19:28:17 <brocktice> but that's ok
922 2010-11-23 19:28:20 <brocktice> more BTC for me.
923 2010-11-23 19:28:25 <ArtForz> not really... ground floor. aircooled.
924 2010-11-23 19:28:41 <nanotube> heh
925 2010-11-23 19:28:45 <brocktice> 6 cores isn't what I'd call a farm
926 2010-11-23 19:28:52 <brocktice> I can't help it if my office is in the basement
927 2010-11-23 19:28:57 <brocktice> It's a small house, yo.
928 2010-11-23 19:29:42 <ArtForz> 28 GPU cores mining here
929 2010-11-23 19:29:48 <Kiba> Jesus.