1 2010-11-29 00:38:29 <andrew12> ;;bc,stats
  2 2010-11-29 00:38:31 <gribble> Current Blocks: 94401 | Current Difficulty: 6866.89864897 | Next Difficulty At Block: 94751 | Next Difficulty In: 350 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 3 hours, 51 minutes, and 35 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 7724.07387225
  3 2010-11-29 00:38:38 <andrew12> yay i've all the blocks
  4 2010-11-29 00:41:50 <chronomex> heh
  5 2010-11-29 00:42:22 <xelister> which version of libdb, openssl, boost  are needed by bitcoin?
  6 2010-11-29 00:42:43 <andrew12> the latest is usually the best...
  7 2010-11-29 00:42:44 <xelister> especially, if db 4.8.30 enough
  8 2010-11-29 00:42:53 <theymos> xelister: Check build-unix.txt.
  9 2010-11-29 00:42:58 <xelister> andrew12: oracle have some gayified access to download of recent version
 10 2010-11-29 00:43:10 <andrew12> wat
 11 2010-11-29 00:44:01 <xelister> andrew12: the bitches from Oracle want to give 10+ stupid questionare because granting access to download db 5.x
 12 2010-11-29 00:44:08 <xelister> *before
 13 2010-11-29 00:55:40 <Kiba`> does it have any relation wtih bitcoins?
 14 2010-11-29 00:58:59 <xelister> Kiba`: needed to build bitcoin
 15 2010-11-29 01:43:54 <bencoder> kiba: you there? I alpha/beta finished my competing download site against ubitio.us
 16 2010-11-29 01:44:11 <bencoder> http://www.bitcoinservice.co.uk
 17 2010-11-29 01:44:53 <kiba> so I have to register
 18 2010-11-29 01:44:58 <bencoder> yes you get a balance
 19 2010-11-29 01:45:11 <bencoder> i take 10% or 0.01 coins when you decide to withdraw your balance
 20 2010-11-29 01:45:18 <bencoder> whichever is bigger
 21 2010-11-29 01:45:29 <xelister> how to force bitcoin to connect to given node by node ip
 22 2010-11-29 01:45:38 <kiba> bencoder: interesting
 23 2010-11-29 01:46:54 <bencoder> it's very rough at the moment, i just made it quickly from scratch in the last.. uh.. 3 hours
 24 2010-11-29 01:47:53 <bencoder> 4 hours even
 25 2010-11-29 01:48:04 <kiba> I will give your service a try.
 26 2010-11-29 01:48:11 <kiba> the next download.
 27 2010-11-29 01:48:27 <kiba> you could use a better..domain
 28 2010-11-29 01:48:35 <bencoder> and you can set price of files
 29 2010-11-29 01:48:53 <bencoder> i know, it wasn't intended for this
 30 2010-11-29 01:49:08 <kiba> so I can set a price
 31 2010-11-29 01:49:16 <bencoder> yes
 32 2010-11-29 01:49:23 <kiba> but, you don't allow anonymous upload and anonymous commision
 33 2010-11-29 01:49:57 <bencoder> no this is true, but accounts are pseudonymous, you could use any username, and the person downloading doesn't see who uploaded it
 34 2010-11-29 01:50:30 <xelister> how to use soemthing else, simplier, then metacity for composition in wm?
 35 2010-11-29 01:50:40 <xelister> gnome/metacity is SLOW AS SHIT with diablo's miner.
 36 2010-11-29 01:50:54 <kiba> bencoder: well, if you want to win, I think you'll be good with bitcoin address only component business model of ubitious
 37 2010-11-29 01:51:13 <bencoder> hmm
 38 2010-11-29 01:51:57 <bencoder> well, this way you can earn more
 39 2010-11-29 01:52:12 <kiba> it had nothing to do with commision fee
 40 2010-11-29 01:52:17 <kiba> but barrier of entry
 41 2010-11-29 01:52:42 <bencoder> ok
 42 2010-11-29 01:52:51 <bencoder> i will think about it
 43 2010-11-29 01:53:28 <kiba> if people want to try it, they might not want an account.
 44 2010-11-29 01:54:16 <bencoder> btw as you are kind of beta tester i will pay you back all money for the first few withdrawals, just let me know when you make a withdrawal and i'll send the 10%/0.01 that i took
 45 2010-11-29 01:55:35 <bencoder> maybe i'll get a better domain tomorrow
 46 2010-11-29 01:55:54 <kiba> bencoder: do I have to do explict withdrawal?
 47 2010-11-29 01:56:15 <bencoder> yeah, because the comission i take is dependent on how much you withdraw
 48 2010-11-29 01:56:30 <bencoder> like if you made only one sale at 0.02
 49 2010-11-29 01:56:35 <bencoder> then you would only get 0.01
 50 2010-11-29 01:56:39 <bencoder> but if you waited
 51 2010-11-29 01:56:51 <bencoder> until it was 0.10
 52 2010-11-29 01:57:01 <bencoder> then you could withdraw 0.09 and i'd still only take 0.01
 53 2010-11-29 01:57:14 <kiba> interesting tradeoff
 54 2010-11-29 01:57:37 <kiba> I like ubitio.us automatic withdrawl. I don't have to think about it
 55 2010-11-29 01:57:40 <bencoder> but maybe automatic comission is a future feature
 56 2010-11-29 01:57:59 <bencoder> you could set the level and then when it goes above it it will send you the coins
 57 2010-11-29 01:58:09 <kiba> monthly withdrawal.
 58 2010-11-29 01:58:44 <kiba> You have one thing going for you: better commision fees.
 59 2010-11-29 01:59:04 <bencoder> no file expiry not a good thing?
 60 2010-11-29 01:59:15 <kiba> oh yeah, no file expiry is a good thing
 61 2010-11-29 01:59:16 <bencoder> ability to set prices... delete older files
 62 2010-11-29 01:59:22 <kiba> that's good too.
 63 2010-11-29 01:59:38 <kiba> but then you have a limited amount of space right?
 64 2010-11-29 01:59:41 <bencoder> you can change the price at a later point
 65 2010-11-29 01:59:55 <kiba> price flexibility, better commision fee.
 66 2010-11-29 01:59:59 <kiba> file flexibility.
 67 2010-11-29 02:00:12 <kiba> bencoder: you could do 1 GB of space.
 68 2010-11-29 02:00:35 <bencoder> yeah i don't have loads of space but i can fix that if it seems to be getting too much, i'll get more space
 69 2010-11-29 02:00:35 <kiba> of course, you will probably have less than 1 GB of space...
 70 2010-11-29 02:00:52 <kiba> less than 50 GB, and 50 accounts with 1 GB of space
 71 2010-11-29 02:01:08 <kiba> bencoder: you have to balance cost of your hosting versus profit margin you want to make
 72 2010-11-29 02:01:27 <bencoder> my hosting is cheap and i pay for it regardless of whether i use it or not
 73 2010-11-29 02:01:43 <bencoder> because i use it for irssi
 74 2010-11-29 02:02:13 <bencoder> but it's not a lot of space yet
 75 2010-11-29 02:04:34 <bencoder> I only have 15gb on the server, so not many files can be uploaded, unless they're all small. but I have enough bandwidth to support a lot of downloads
 76 2010-11-29 02:05:22 <doublec> you could use amazon S3 as a backing store. host popular files on your server and redirect the long tail to amazon s3
 77 2010-11-29 02:05:34 <doublec> I used to do this for tinyvid.tv
 78 2010-11-29 02:06:03 <kiba> well, more competiton, better bitcoin downloading service
 79 2010-11-29 02:07:00 <bencoder> yeah, well, we'll see, at the moment it's just pretty much a copy of someone else's idea, if it gets popular then i'll sort out the drive issues, it's on a vps so i can go up a few service levels to get more space if i need it suddenly
 80 2010-11-29 02:08:16 <bencoder> if you upload something through the site kiba i'll buy it off you so we can test :P
 81 2010-11-29 02:10:05 <kiba> http://www.bitcoinservice.co.uk/files/6
 82 2010-11-29 02:10:07 <kiba> here
 83 2010-11-29 02:10:12 <kiba> and make me some money!
 84 2010-11-29 02:10:24 <bencoder> :o 9cents!
 85 2010-11-29 02:10:58 <doublec> how many confirmations are you waiting for?
 86 2010-11-29 02:11:07 <kiba> yes
 87 2010-11-29 02:11:20 <kiba> that's worth 9 download from ubitio.us
 88 2010-11-29 02:12:29 <kiba> so
 89 2010-11-29 02:12:33 <doublec> 0 from the looks of things
 90 2010-11-29 02:12:37 <doublec> (I sent 0.09)
 91 2010-11-29 02:12:37 <kiba> how much balance was stored in the first place?
 92 2010-11-29 02:12:41 <kiba> 0?
 93 2010-11-29 02:12:51 <doublec> 0 confirmations
 94 2010-11-29 02:13:28 <kiba> bencoder: you may want to wait until enough confirmations had passed
 95 2010-11-29 02:13:31 <doublec> kiba, how do you as the file originator get the money? Is it automatically sent to you or does the server hold the balance.
 96 2010-11-29 02:13:41 <kiba> before giving me full credits
 97 2010-11-29 02:14:00 <kiba> doublec: I have to manually withdraw
 98 2010-11-29 02:14:11 <doublec> kiba, did you draw that/
 99 2010-11-29 02:14:18 <kiba> doublec: yes.
100 2010-11-29 02:14:36 <doublec> kiba, nice.
101 2010-11-29 02:14:49 <kiba> bencoder: I like to set automatic withdrawal
102 2010-11-29 02:14:54 <bencoder> yeah i should probably wait
103 2010-11-29 02:15:00 <bencoder> until confirmations
104 2010-11-29 02:15:16 <xelister> what was my quit msg?
105 2010-11-29 02:15:24 <xelister> .j #linux
106 2010-11-29 02:15:27 <bencoder> ping timeout
107 2010-11-29 02:15:34 <kiba> an API would be great, ben
108 2010-11-29 02:15:35 <kiba> coder
109 2010-11-29 02:15:56 <xelister> how to use other composer then metacity for gnome? gnome is slow
110 2010-11-29 02:15:57 <kiba> I got this idea of creating my own art gallery but using someone to host the downloads
111 2010-11-29 02:16:55 <bencoder> maybe another time
112 2010-11-29 02:17:08 <bencoder> i'm very tired. 3:20 here, i got work at 9 :(
113 2010-11-29 02:18:06 <kiba> thanks for the bacons, guy.
114 2010-11-29 02:18:19 <bencoder> :)
115 2010-11-29 02:18:59 <bencoder> did you withdraw?
116 2010-11-29 02:21:04 <kiba> I might as well
117 2010-11-29 02:21:12 <kiba> withdraw
118 2010-11-29 02:21:31 <kiba> Sorry. That page is unavailable.
119 2010-11-29 02:21:46 <bencoder> resally? :o
120 2010-11-29 02:21:51 <kiba> yes.
121 2010-11-29 02:21:52 <bencoder> hmmm
122 2010-11-29 02:21:54 <kiba> nothing change
123 2010-11-29 02:21:58 <kiba> maybe it will take a while
124 2010-11-29 02:22:41 <kiba> hippich and bencoder have day jobs..we'll see who is more...responsive
125 2010-11-29 02:25:11 <bencoder> unfortunately i'm stuck on crappy 3g internet that disconnects often
126 2010-11-29 02:25:21 <bencoder> so you get an error when you click withdraw now?
127 2010-11-29 02:25:42 <bencoder> i just tried it on mine with a balance of 0.02 and it withdrew fine
128 2010-11-29 02:25:56 <kiba> still..an error
129 2010-11-29 02:26:01 <bencoder> :'(
130 2010-11-29 02:26:12 <kiba> 3g connection?
131 2010-11-29 02:26:17 <bencoder> yeah, mobile
132 2010-11-29 02:26:28 <bencoder> cause i just recently moved into this flat, don't have proper internet
133 2010-11-29 02:26:38 <kiba> your daemon is hosted on yoru computer?
134 2010-11-29 02:26:44 <bencoder> no
135 2010-11-29 02:35:17 <xelister> how to see how many generated coins are in confirming state (20 hours)?
136 2010-11-29 02:42:26 <bencoder> goodnight
137 2010-11-29 02:42:47 <bencoder> thanks again kiba
138 2010-11-29 03:16:32 <xelister> wikileaks should publish bitcoin donation address
139 2010-11-29 03:17:24 <doublec> there's a thread on the forums about requesting wikileaks accept bitcoins
140 2010-11-29 03:17:56 <xelister> many people would donate now. they should put the address on the main page - others appear to be under attack
141 2010-11-29 03:19:13 <OneFixt> ;;bc,stats
142 2010-11-29 03:19:16 <gribble> Current Blocks: 94424 | Current Difficulty: 6866.89864897 | Next Difficulty At Block: 94751 | Next Difficulty In: 327 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 0 hours, 18 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 7746.08450368
143 2010-11-29 03:39:12 <OneFixt> ;;bc,estimate
144 2010-11-29 03:39:13 <gribble> 7746.34995184
145 2010-11-29 04:06:42 <xelister> I opened 8333 but just 7 connections. any idea why?
146 2010-11-29 04:07:15 <theymos> You only make a maxiimum of 8 outbound connections. You'll get incoming connections slowly over time.
147 2010-11-29 04:07:46 <xelister> yey, 11 now
148 2010-11-29 04:07:58 <xelister> is there a way to manually add a bitcoin node?
149 2010-11-29 04:08:11 <xelister> in example what if I have node A and friend has node B and we want to have them connected
150 2010-11-29 04:08:34 <theymos> -addnode=ip
151 2010-11-29 04:10:33 <xelister> woot
152 2010-11-29 04:16:37 <xelister> anyone successfully crossbuilded bitcoind.exe on linux?
153 2010-11-29 04:17:14 <xelister> I've got, it seems, crossbuilded libs: boost, openssl, db;  and bitcoind.exe is compiling, but some problem at linking... resolved a dozen more problems but still some remain :[
154 2010-11-29 04:17:17 <andrew12> of course
155 2010-11-29 04:17:25 <xelister> andrew12: did you? or how to reach them
156 2010-11-29 04:17:27 <andrew12> oh
157 2010-11-29 04:17:28 <andrew12> ij
158 2010-11-29 04:17:30 <andrew12> uh*
159 2010-11-29 04:17:36 <andrew12> one sec
160 2010-11-29 04:17:54 <andrew12> I haven't, no, but that's because I haven't *tried*.
161 2010-11-29 04:18:32 <xelister> andrew12: try :)
162 2010-11-29 04:18:33 <andrew12> xelister: if it's making bitcoin.exe then chances are you're using the windows version
163 2010-11-29 04:18:39 <xelister> crossbuilind is such a bitch. fuuuuuuuuuuuuu
164 2010-11-29 04:18:46 <xelister> andrew12: hm?
165 2010-11-29 04:18:54 <xelister> andrew12: Im trying to *crossbuild*
166 2010-11-29 04:19:03 <andrew12> why? :p
167 2010-11-29 04:19:08 <xelister> because windows is for loosers
168 2010-11-29 04:19:10 <xelister> sorry LobsterMan
169 2010-11-29 04:20:14 <xelister> and seriously, because how are we going to be windows-free and support software that we can own without annoying and bad licences, if we are dependant on windows? So Im trying to not use windows, even when making windows program :) Did it before, but bitcoin has a lot of complex dependencies
170 2010-11-29 04:21:40 <andrew12> yeah I thought you were trying to get bitcoin running on linux
171 2010-11-29 04:21:50 <andrew12> and I was thinking "just download the linux version"
172 2010-11-29 04:21:51 <andrew12> :p
173 2010-11-29 04:22:02 <genjix> cool
174 2010-11-29 04:22:25 <genjix> i dont get people who dual boot. its a bit pathetic :p
175 2010-11-29 04:22:33 <andrew12> why?
176 2010-11-29 04:22:55 <nanotube> if they need $windowsonlyapp... such is life. you do what you have to do.
177 2010-11-29 04:23:01 <genjix> cos windows sucks, duh!
178 2010-11-29 04:23:33 <genjix> nanotube: if you *really* need it then run wine or virtualbox
179 2010-11-29 04:23:37 <andrew12> genjix: once there's steam for linux, and I can get the same framerate under linux, and someone writes a better IRC client for linux, then maybe i'll use it full time on my desktop
180 2010-11-29 04:23:39 <andrew12> until then
181 2010-11-29 04:23:43 <andrew12> dual boot
182 2010-11-29 04:23:54 <genjix> IRC
183 2010-11-29 04:23:56 <genjix> under linux
184 2010-11-29 04:24:02 <genjix> are you joking
185 2010-11-29 04:24:03 <nanotube> andrew12: well, xchat is a pretty damn good irc client for linux, fwiw. :)
186 2010-11-29 04:24:08 <nanotube> as is irssi
187 2010-11-29 04:24:10 <andrew12> I hate xchat
188 2010-11-29 04:24:27 <nanotube> out of curiosity... why? i love xchat. :P
189 2010-11-29 04:24:30 <genjix> Konversation, Quassel, Pidgin, Kopete, irssi
190 2010-11-29 04:24:33 <genjix> damn
191 2010-11-29 04:24:34 <andrew12> I want something like mIRC with the nick colors and timestamps and customization
192 2010-11-29 04:24:40 <andrew12> quassel: no.
193 2010-11-29 04:24:49 <andrew12> Konversation: KDE is no
194 2010-11-29 04:24:49 <nanotube> andrew12: xchat has nick colors, and timestamps, and customizations...
195 2010-11-29 04:24:59 <andrew12> nanotube: but not as much as mIRC
196 2010-11-29 04:25:04 <genjix> take a pick. i would've placed irc client on least of reasons to stay on win
197 2010-11-29 04:25:21 <genjix> irssi has all those too
198 2010-11-29 04:25:25 <nanotube> andrew12: again, just curious - what precisely are you missing when you say 'not as much' ?
199 2010-11-29 04:25:31 <genjix> screen + irssi = win
200 2010-11-29 04:25:51 <andrew12> well if i'm just talking on one network i'll use irssi
201 2010-11-29 04:25:56 <andrew12> which is usually the case when i'm on linux
202 2010-11-29 04:26:03 <nanotube> (again, this is just idle discussion, since even if we found you a superior linux irc client in every way, you'd still be missing steam :) )
203 2010-11-29 04:26:18 <andrew12> indeed
204 2010-11-29 04:26:27 <kiba> I irc on emacs
205 2010-11-29 04:26:31 <kiba> emacs is great on linux
206 2010-11-29 04:26:32 <nanotube> i'm just curious what's so great about mirc. i've never used it... so kinda want to know.
207 2010-11-29 04:26:41 <andrew12> though there is CrossOver Games for Linux, but I'd still rather use windows for that
208 2010-11-29 04:26:41 <genjix> yep its just weird you have a problem with irc on linux
209 2010-11-29 04:26:43 <genjix> nothing
210 2010-11-29 04:26:47 <genjix> mirc is fairly typical irc program
211 2010-11-29 04:27:08 <kiba> THERE are like
212 2010-11-29 04:27:29 <kiba> tons of IRC program
213 2010-11-29 04:27:39 <andrew12> I just like not having to reboot just to play a game
214 2010-11-29 04:27:41 <andrew12> tbh
215 2010-11-29 04:27:56 <andrew12> or use something that some of my windows friends are talking about
216 2010-11-29 04:28:07 <nanotube> genjix: well, andrew12 seems to have something in mind as far as some stuff mirc does better than xchat... so i want to know what it is. maybe i'll write some plugins to do the missing features, if they are indeed missing, and said plugins don't already exist.
217 2010-11-29 04:28:08 <kiba> on linux
218 2010-11-29 04:28:09 <kiba> like XMONAD
219 2010-11-29 04:28:11 <genjix> erm dont think you can beat irssi plugins
220 2010-11-29 04:28:13 <xelister> genjix: dual boot is good for switch mode.  also some people run like 3d studio max for work, where sometiems blender can not be yet the substitute
221 2010-11-29 04:28:16 <genjix> there's literally 100s of them
222 2010-11-29 04:28:17 <andrew12> I know Linux is better. I like hacking it 'til it works how I want it to
223 2010-11-29 04:28:17 <kiba> Plus, I never click on icons to launch program anymore
224 2010-11-29 04:28:17 <xelister> alt+f2 ftw
225 2010-11-29 04:28:23 <genjix> xelister: ok thats bs. i worked on a blender project and blender can do everything 3ds max can do
226 2010-11-29 04:28:28 <andrew12> I was able to install Arch Linux onto an 8gb flash drive
227 2010-11-29 04:28:35 <genjix> blender foundation project
228 2010-11-29 04:28:40 <andrew12> I can plug it into any comp that can boot from usb and it works
229 2010-11-29 04:29:00 <genjix> only reason to use 3ds max is if your company enforces it on you
230 2010-11-29 04:29:05 <xelister> genjix: unless you work in 3d studio and every other 8 people use 3d studio max, and you bought speciall plugin for 3d smax to do some speciall stuff
231 2010-11-29 04:29:07 <kiba> xmonad dmenu make me like a badass everyday
232 2010-11-29 04:29:25 <kiba> It also make use of netbook less of a pain
233 2010-11-29 04:29:30 <xelister> genjix: unless you want to put +3 months of unpaid time and be 2 months late with the project while recoding said custom plugin in python lol :P
234 2010-11-29 04:29:31 <andrew12> unfortunately there's a lot of programs that require 3ds max
235 2010-11-29 04:29:56 <genjix> or export to collade, import to 3ds, use said plugin
236 2010-11-29 04:30:03 <xelister> and then loose 6 months debuggng and fixing it because the propertiary plugin worked other way
237 2010-11-29 04:30:14 <xelister> and now everyone at work hates you for doing shit instead of working
238 2010-11-29 04:30:38 <xelister> and all collegues leave you, except for one, that leaves with your wife (you got fired and don't get paid)
239 2010-11-29 04:30:49 <andrew12> I wish I could get paid to argue with people.
240 2010-11-29 04:30:53 <xelister> DOESNT LOOK LIKE SUCH A GOOD IDEA now does it?  lol :P
241 2010-11-29 04:31:08 <genjix> blender > 3ds max
242 2010-11-29 04:31:27 <genjix> new interface = best
243 2010-11-29 04:31:31 <genjix> QED.
244 2010-11-29 04:31:32 <xelister> genjix: sure, but if everyone in work uses 3ds max and you work togeather on a big project, you will have to use 3d s max too
245 2010-11-29 04:31:46 <xelister> ofcourse there are many jobs that can be done 100% on linux. actually, most :)
246 2010-11-29 04:31:54 <andrew12> yay linux!
247 2010-11-29 04:31:58 <xelister> o
248 2010-11-29 04:32:13 <genjix> what is this linux you speak of?
249 2010-11-29 04:32:14 <xelister> lets use BTCs to buy linus some beer
250 2010-11-29 04:32:15 <xelister> and hookers
251 2010-11-29 04:32:17 <genjix> some kind of virus?
252 2010-11-29 04:32:19 <andrew12> I really do like Linux, I just can't get myself to use it full time.
253 2010-11-29 04:32:33 <andrew12> I would if I could but I can't.
254 2010-11-29 04:32:38 <xelister> andrew12: I use it full time for linux. Cant get myself now to use winshit. Perhaps for a second to lunch some game
255 2010-11-29 04:32:43 <andrew12> also I need to build a new PC so I can use this PC as a server.
256 2010-11-29 04:32:44 <xelister> although most gaming I do in windows
257 2010-11-29 04:32:48 <xelister> although most gaming I do in linux
258 2010-11-29 04:32:55 <andrew12> lol
259 2010-11-29 04:32:55 <kiba> andrew12: so your employee force you to use expensive shit?
260 2010-11-29 04:33:02 <andrew12> wat
261 2010-11-29 04:33:11 <andrew12> derp if ailed
262 2010-11-29 04:33:15 <kiba> 12 years old?
263 2010-11-29 04:33:18 <andrew12> i'm 14
264 2010-11-29 04:33:21 <andrew12> i'm tired
265 2010-11-29 04:33:22 <andrew12> lol
266 2010-11-29 04:33:30 <kiba> when I was your age, I learned to program
267 2010-11-29 04:33:38 <andrew12> me too!
268 2010-11-29 04:33:40 <andrew12> :P
269 2010-11-29 04:33:47 <xelister> me too
270 2010-11-29 04:33:56 <kiba> I think by age 15, I run exclusively linux
271 2010-11-29 04:34:02 <xelister> exect I already programmed a bit for 3 years so you suck :P
272 2010-11-29 04:34:03 <kiba> because of the arrival of broadband
273 2010-11-29 04:34:05 <andrew12> how old are you guys?
274 2010-11-29 04:34:10 <kiba> I am 19.
275 2010-11-29 04:34:14 <xelister> Im old enough  >_>
276 2010-11-29 04:34:18 <andrew12> lol
277 2010-11-29 04:34:25 <nanotube> when i was your age, usa was still not bankrupt. :)
278 2010-11-29 04:34:27 <genjix> 22
279 2010-11-29 04:35:04 <nanotube> well, it's still not... but it sure is working on it.
280 2010-11-29 04:35:09 <kiba> the older folks are probably hacking in startups and changing the world already, or maybe stuck in a cubicle
281 2010-11-29 04:35:21 <kiba> let us not be the folks who are stuck in a cubicle and actually change the world
282 2010-11-29 04:36:16 <genjix> i just want to do all my geek shit
283 2010-11-29 04:36:20 <kiba> hmm. I earned 1.8 BTC today. Wee!
284 2010-11-29 04:36:33 <genjix> live in a squat, hack free software, travel to mars
285 2010-11-29 04:36:40 <genjix> tear down the state
286 2010-11-29 04:36:48 <andrew12> I earned 20 thanks to a cool dude that likes to give away bitcoins :o
287 2010-11-29 04:36:49 <kiba> that's called changing the world
288 2010-11-29 04:36:57 <kiba> that's not earning, that's called giving
289 2010-11-29 04:37:02 <andrew12> :p
290 2010-11-29 04:37:15 <kiba> maybe we could recruit your friends into earning 3D artists
291 2010-11-29 04:37:23 <andrew12> or you can just say "I got +20.00 Credit"
292 2010-11-29 04:37:33 <kiba> bitcoin earning 3D artists
293 2010-11-29 04:38:05 <kiba> for long term propsect, we should be targeting young folks
294 2010-11-29 04:38:09 <kiba> investment*
295 2010-11-29 04:38:17 <genjix> internet really does need micropayments
296 2010-11-29 04:38:44 <genjix> cos its a huge wave of mediocre stuff stuffed with adverts
297 2010-11-29 04:39:01 <andrew12> i need to find something I can do to get bitcoins other than generating blocks
298 2010-11-29 04:39:03 <genjix> not to make people rich, just to support the creators
299 2010-11-29 04:39:37 <kiba> genjix: will you support me?
300 2010-11-29 04:39:47 <nanotube> andrew12: what are your skills?
301 2010-11-29 04:39:49 <genjix> andrew12: if you make 1 million playmoney, i will pay $5 per million
302 2010-11-29 04:39:53 <genjix> on pokerstars
303 2010-11-29 04:40:11 <genjix> once you make the first million, its very easy to make more
304 2010-11-29 04:40:14 <andrew12> I know Python, Perl, PHP, Ruby (kinda)
305 2010-11-29 04:40:31 <andrew12> i dunno tbh :P
306 2010-11-29 04:40:47 <andrew12> i guess "trololo i can make a site for youuuu
307 2010-11-29 04:40:48 <andrew12> "
308 2010-11-29 04:40:56 <kiba> I got a job offering that's 10 BTC. But that will increase over time as long as I find new funding.
309 2010-11-29 04:41:03 <nanotube> well, coding is a useful skill. just recently some guy got a contract to code some php/mysql, on forums/marketplace
310 2010-11-29 04:41:08 <genjix> $5 per million in bitcoins
311 2010-11-29 04:41:18 <nanotube> kiba: what is it?
312 2010-11-29 04:41:31 <kiba> nanotube: an association site
313 2010-11-29 04:41:38 <kiba> for the BMAA
314 2010-11-29 04:41:52 <nanotube> ah, well, andrew12 --^ :)
315 2010-11-29 04:42:03 <kiba> so we can actually provide and track people for benefit
316 2010-11-29 04:42:16 <kiba> and provide a host of other services
317 2010-11-29 04:42:42 <andrew12> nanotube?
318 2010-11-29 04:43:08 <kiba> nanotube: first, it had to be approved by democractic votes
319 2010-11-29 04:43:13 <kiba> and some members are neglecting their duties
320 2010-11-29 04:43:20 <kiba> well..not voting
321 2010-11-29 04:43:25 <nanotube> andrew12: kiba wants someone to make a website for him. so ... you were looking for something to do for bitcoins... i put 2 and 2 together :)
322 2010-11-29 04:43:39 <kiba> we're on 4 votes
323 2010-11-29 04:43:53 <kiba> I think we need 1 more votes for it to pass
324 2010-11-29 04:44:00 <andrew12> zomg
325 2010-11-29 04:44:44 <kiba> it's only 10 BTC
326 2010-11-29 04:45:04 <nanotube> hey, that's like $2.80 :)
327 2010-11-29 04:45:06 <kiba> around the value of 2.8 dollars using .28 as exchange value
328 2010-11-29 04:45:25 <kiba> andrew12 isn't that desperate
329 2010-11-29 04:46:45 <kiba> even I work for more than that. 50 bucks was my first freelance assignmetn
330 2010-11-29 04:46:54 <kiba> pay
331 2010-11-29 04:48:09 <xelister> btw kiba how old are you
332 2010-11-29 04:48:37 <kiba> I already told you, I am 19.
333 2010-11-29 04:48:51 <andrew12> wait, if 10 BTC is $2.80 then isn't 50 like $10? so every time you generate a block you're getting $10
334 2010-11-29 04:49:29 <theymos> And it'll probably be worth $100 in a few years.
335 2010-11-29 04:49:47 <genjix> nah 100 is like $30
336 2010-11-29 04:51:43 <genjix> http://translate.google.com/#de|de|pv%20zk%20pv%20pv%20zk%20pv%20zk%20kz%20zk%20pv%20pv%20pv%20zk%20pv%20zk%20zk%20pzk%20pzk%20pvzkpkzvpvzk%20kkkkkk%20bsch
337 2010-11-29 04:51:47 <genjix> click listen
338 2010-11-29 04:51:52 <genjix> what do you think of my tune
339 2010-11-29 04:51:55 <kiba> andrew12: I doubt you have the money to put together a bitcoin mining rig
340 2010-11-29 04:52:20 <andrew12> kiba: I dunno. $0 can go pretty far.
341 2010-11-29 04:53:02 <kiba> you will have to wait a year until you find a block, probably
342 2010-11-29 04:53:22 <andrew12> >500khash/s
343 2010-11-29 04:54:35 <kiba> yep, probably a year or two
344 2010-11-29 04:54:45 <kiba> I got 1325khash/s
345 2010-11-29 04:54:53 <ArtForz> yep, thats pretty much nothing
346 2010-11-29 04:55:29 <kiba> folks like ArtForz make sure that money doesn't grow on tree.
347 2010-11-29 04:55:34 <andrew12> it goes lower sometimes
348 2010-11-29 04:55:44 <kiba> lower -> lower chance
349 2010-11-29 04:55:49 <andrew12> i know
350 2010-11-29 04:55:50 <andrew12> lol
351 2010-11-29 04:56:03 <ArtForz> doing 9 GHash/s, soon 15G
352 2010-11-29 04:56:09 <kiba> you're 14 years old.
353 2010-11-29 04:56:22 <andrew12> ArtForz: holy fuck
354 2010-11-29 04:56:30 <kiba> I dare you to make it your goal to suprise your parents that you found a way to make money and it's worth 1000 dollars
355 2010-11-29 04:56:33 <andrew12> how many BTC do you have?
356 2010-11-29 04:56:41 <kiba> and you make 1000 dollars each week
357 2010-11-29 04:56:45 <ArtForz> right now? about 35k
358 2010-11-29 04:56:46 <kiba> by age 15
359 2010-11-29 04:57:05 <ArtForz> sold about 180kBTC so far
360 2010-11-29 04:57:19 <nanotube> andrew12: he invested like 10k usd into the hardware, though. it wasn't 'free money'
361 2010-11-29 04:57:30 <andrew12> kiba: "This machine litterally pays for itself!"
362 2010-11-29 04:57:41 <ArtForz> closer to $20k now
363 2010-11-29 04:57:48 <xelister> ArtForz: sell them on mtgox @ 0.5 plz =) or 0.4
364 2010-11-29 04:57:52 <kiba> how many GPUs?
365 2010-11-29 04:57:53 <nanotube> heh, even better. hehe.
366 2010-11-29 04:57:54 <kiba> .28?
367 2010-11-29 04:58:03 <kiba> 28?
368 2010-11-29 04:58:04 <xelister> .28 is meh
369 2010-11-29 04:58:07 <andrew12> you should send me some bitcoins cause i'm so cool
370 2010-11-29 04:58:09 <ArtForz> 24 5970s
371 2010-11-29 04:58:38 <kiba> you sell it on mtgox?
372 2010-11-29 04:58:46 <ArtForz> mainly
373 2010-11-29 04:58:54 <nanotube> ArtForz: what's one 5970 go for, and what's its hashrate?
374 2010-11-29 04:59:21 <ArtForz> also selling on bcm from time to time, a lot less since mtgox satrted using LR$
375 2010-11-29 04:59:39 <nanotube> probably also a lot less since bcm volume dropped to like 0
376 2010-11-29 04:59:53 <ArtForz> 5970 = about $500, about 530Mh/s
377 2010-11-29 05:00:01 <nanotube> ;;bc,calc 530000
378 2010-11-29 05:00:06 <ArtForz> closer to 680 when overclocked
379 2010-11-29 05:00:08 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 530000 Khps, given current difficulty of 6866.89864897 , is 15 hours, 27 minutes, and 27 seconds
380 2010-11-29 05:00:21 <nanotube> ;;bc,calc 680000
381 2010-11-29 05:00:22 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 680000 Khps, given current difficulty of 6866.89864897 , is 12 hours, 2 minutes, and 52 seconds
382 2010-11-29 05:00:26 <andrew12> ;;bc,calc 500
383 2010-11-29 05:00:27 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 500 Khps, given current difficulty of 6866.89864897 , is 1 year, 45 weeks, 2 days, 17 hours, 3 minutes, and 30 seconds
384 2010-11-29 05:00:33 <nanotube> andrew12: lol
385 2010-11-29 05:00:35 <andrew12> -.-
386 2010-11-29 05:01:15 <kiba> ;;bc,calc 1368
387 2010-11-29 05:01:16 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1368 Khps, given current difficulty of 6866.89864897 , is 35 weeks, 4 days, 12 hours, 41 minutes, and 27 seconds
388 2010-11-29 05:01:21 <nanotube> andrew12: so there's an exercise for you - run the numbers, and see whether investing $500 (plus possibly some other components, if you don't have a computer that'll take a 5970 as is) is worth it for bitcoin gen. :)
389 2010-11-29 05:01:53 <kiba> or just sell your programming services on the market
390 2010-11-29 05:02:39 <andrew12> what's a 5970?
391 2010-11-29 05:02:48 <andrew12> a video card?
392 2010-11-29 05:02:57 <andrew12> s/video/graphics/
393 2010-11-29 05:02:59 <ArtForz> yep
394 2010-11-29 05:03:20 <ArtForz> fastest graphics card ATI is producing
395 2010-11-29 05:03:38 <kiba> how much does it cost?
396 2010-11-29 05:03:52 <andrew12> b-b-but i thought nvidia was better than ati?
397 2010-11-29 05:03:59 <ArtForz> about $500 currently
398 2010-11-29 05:04:11 <kiba> 500 dollars + 500 dollars for...component
399 2010-11-29 05:04:35 <andrew12> a lot of really good graphics cards are really expensive :P
400 2010-11-29 05:04:43 <ArtForz> yep, factor in the rest of the system and it's about $900 per card
401 2010-11-29 05:04:52 <kiba> forgettitaboutit
402 2010-11-29 05:05:09 <kiba> so earn your money from programming and leave the mining to Art
403 2010-11-29 05:05:12 <kiba> Forz
404 2010-11-29 05:05:13 <ArtForz> whoops, a bit less... forgot to subtract my 5770s
405 2010-11-29 05:05:15 <andrew12> lol
406 2010-11-29 05:05:36 <ArtForz> so... about $820 per card
407 2010-11-29 05:06:03 <andrew12> ArtForz: about how long will it take for that card to pay for itself?
408 2010-11-29 05:06:47 <ArtForz> at current difficulty and market prices ... about 4 months
409 2010-11-29 05:07:04 <andrew12> hate
410 2010-11-29 05:07:31 <kiba> you'll stop running it when winter come, ArtForz ?
411 2010-11-29 05:07:39 <remmy_> But once you get one, 5 years.
412 2010-11-29 05:07:43 <kiba> 4 months seem tostuck
413 2010-11-29 05:07:57 <kiba> sucks
414 2010-11-29 05:08:03 <theymos> ArtForz: If you had $100,000 to spend for a Bitcoin mining operation, would you stick with the 5770s or use some enterprise-grade solution?
415 2010-11-29 05:08:10 <kiba> incentive for ArtForz to help close the gap
416 2010-11-29 05:08:20 <andrew12> kiba: better than having to actually do work to earn it :P
417 2010-11-29 05:08:25 <ArtForz> for large scale? 5970s
418 2010-11-29 05:08:32 <kiba> andrew12: no, it's a risky investment
419 2010-11-29 05:08:43 <kiba> incentive for ArtForz to help support the economy so it prop up the price of bitcoins
420 2010-11-29 05:08:59 <kiba> plus, ArtForz have to optimize his mining rig
421 2010-11-29 05:09:10 <ArtForz> of course it's a risky investment
422 2010-11-29 05:09:11 <andrew12> ArtForz: how old are you?
423 2010-11-29 05:09:30 <ArtForz> 39
424 2010-11-29 05:09:40 <andrew12> oh ok
425 2010-11-29 05:09:41 <andrew12> :p
426 2010-11-29 05:09:49 <ArtForz> if difficulty keeps rising and market prices dont, there goes the profit margin
427 2010-11-29 05:10:46 <kiba> as price get higher, the profit margin increase
428 2010-11-29 05:10:50 <ArtForz> yep
429 2010-11-29 05:10:50 <nanotube> ArtForz: well, in order for prices to keep up with difficulty, demand has to rise. so i guess it would be to your benefit to expend effort toward 'marketing' bitcoin.
430 2010-11-29 05:10:59 <ArtForz> of course the disparity is still so large its actually profitable to run my cards on utility power even at $0.30/kWh
431 2010-11-29 05:11:05 <kiba> so, if the bitcoin economy is growing, price will likely rise
432 2010-11-29 05:11:09 <kiba> but it incentivize mining too
433 2010-11-29 05:11:11 <ArtForz> yep
434 2010-11-29 05:11:32 <ArtForz> I expect the price to rise a lot
435 2010-11-29 05:11:39 <andrew12> i wonder if it would be possible to eventually have a full time job that paid you in bitcoins
436 2010-11-29 05:11:57 <kiba> andrew12: if you help us grow, we might... So offer your programming services for bitcoins
437 2010-11-29 05:11:59 <ArtForz> some day... probably
438 2010-11-29 05:12:17 <andrew12> okay! what should I code for you? :o
439 2010-11-29 05:12:34 <ArtForz> the current market prices are still awfully low when you think about it
440 2010-11-29 05:12:58 <kiba> andrew12: go fish on the forum. There might be a guy who will offer you a higher reward than just 10 BTC
441 2010-11-29 05:13:07 <OneFixt> ;;bc,estimate
442 2010-11-29 05:13:08 <gribble> 7735.20283984
443 2010-11-29 05:13:20 <kiba> ArtForz: why?
444 2010-11-29 05:13:51 <ArtForz> 21M btc. ever. $0.28/btc ... $0.28/btc... 21M btc ever... expected total economic worth of <$6M
445 2010-11-29 05:14:00 <ArtForz> copypasta fail
446 2010-11-29 05:14:09 <andrew12> haha
447 2010-11-29 05:14:12 <ArtForz> you get the idea
448 2010-11-29 05:14:57 <nanotube> if the bitcoin economy expands to the size of say... ireland, which is about 171 billion usd gdp... we get multiple thousands of usd per btc.
449 2010-11-29 05:15:15 <nanotube> just choosing ireland for... no good reason :D
450 2010-11-29 05:15:48 <ArtForz> yep
451 2010-11-29 05:15:50 <gribble> 171 billion / 21 million = 8???142.85714
452 2010-11-29 05:15:50 <nanotube> ;;google calc 171 billion / 21 million
453 2010-11-29 05:15:55 <andrew12> okay well i'm going to try to get some sleep
454 2010-11-29 05:15:59 <jgarzik> just imagine 1,000,000 people who want to use bitcoin, in year 2016.
455 2010-11-29 05:16:11 <jgarzik> with so few bitcoins in existence, a "little" is worth a "lot"
456 2010-11-29 05:16:14 <andrew12> so I can actually wake up for school tomorrow
457 2010-11-29 05:16:20 <nanotube> andrew12: hehe good luck :)
458 2010-11-29 05:16:38 <jgarzik> so I can see 0.01 BTC being a lot of money
459 2010-11-29 05:16:39 <andrew12> and I want my eyes to stop hurting
460 2010-11-29 05:16:45 <andrew12> I didn't get any sleep last night either -.-
461 2010-11-29 05:16:46 <ArtForz> which is exactly why I'm holding on to a % of my generated BTC ;)
462 2010-11-29 05:16:57 <nanotube> jgarzik: also imagine bitcoin failing dramatically. just to keep the rosy dreams in check. :)
463 2010-11-29 05:17:03 <ArtForz> if bitcoin fails... not much lost
464 2010-11-29 05:17:17 <nanotube> ArtForz: yep, that's the reason you're selling some off :)
465 2010-11-29 05:17:25 <nanotube> a little diversification goes a long way
466 2010-11-29 05:17:28 <ArtForz> if it takes off there's my retirement fund ;)
467 2010-11-29 05:17:41 <jgarzik> bitcoin is firmly in the "assume high risk, total meltdown" category today, sure.  :)
468 2010-11-29 05:17:45 <ArtForz> yep
469 2010-11-29 05:18:06 <nanotube> if it takes off, even my 1/10th or so of your btc holdings should be a nice retirement fund. :)
470 2010-11-29 05:18:13 <ArtForz> but considering the potential "loss" is so small... imo a risk worth taking
471 2010-11-29 05:19:01 <kiba> at some point, a stampede will spurt, and we'll be a bubble economy
472 2010-11-29 05:19:08 <jgarzik> ubitio.us is cute.  not sure it will be successful, with so many free services out there, but it's cute.  0.02 BTC might be sufficient to avoid flashing ads and popups.
473 2010-11-29 05:19:08 <kiba> for a little while
474 2010-11-29 05:19:10 <nanotube> hey, has anyone placed an mtgox 'dark pool' order ?
475 2010-11-29 05:19:18 <theymos> I can't see any cases where the value will go to 0 overnight. Something would have to be fundamentally flawed in Bitcoin's design -- something that can't be fixed and still maintain transaction history.
476 2010-11-29 05:19:30 <jgarzik> nanotube: by some definitions, -otc is a dark pool :)
477 2010-11-29 05:19:47 <nanotube> jgarzik: lol well, yes. :) that's why i said "mtgox dark pool", just to be specific :)
478 2010-11-29 05:19:55 <ArtForz> imo a total bust is very unlikely
479 2010-11-29 05:20:17 <kiba> there will be a wave of irrationality as people think bitcoins are investment
480 2010-11-29 05:20:21 <nanotube> ArtForz: i'm thinking more of a concerted attack by a well-heeled entity
481 2010-11-29 05:20:42 <kiba> we need to keep addressing security issues
482 2010-11-29 05:20:46 <ArtForz> the basic idea and protocol is sound, we can always fix the network
483 2010-11-29 05:21:32 <theymos> Transactions can even be moved over Tor or Freenet if necessary. We just need one free country for block generation.
484 2010-11-29 05:21:48 <nanotube> ArtForz: say isp's are made to block all bitcoin traffic, through deep packet inspection... they also close down mtgox and any other exchanges, and bitcoin forums.
485 2010-11-29 05:21:53 <ArtForz> imo main danger is getting banhammer'd by govts
486 2010-11-29 05:22:08 <nanotube> ArtForz: right. a government is a /very/ well heeled entity. :)
487 2010-11-29 05:22:19 <kiba> nanotube: open source exchanges...
488 2010-11-29 05:22:26 <ArtForz> "if bitcoin is outlawed, only outlaws will use bitcoins"
489 2010-11-29 05:22:54 <kiba> maybe a seastead will become successful and adopt bitcoin as a national currency
490 2010-11-29 05:22:55 <kiba> lol
491 2010-11-29 05:23:09 <theymos> I bet This Week In Computer Hardware would be interested in Bitcoin generation. Anyone want to write them? I don't know much about hardware. http://twit.tv/twich
492 2010-11-29 05:23:16 <andrew12> someone highlight me again
493 2010-11-29 05:23:27 <nanotube> but still, you can see how that would cause, at least for a time being, the price of bitcoins to drop. possibly to effectively zero, if there's no easy way to convert them to usd at all.
494 2010-11-29 05:23:31 <nanotube> andrew12: ping
495 2010-11-29 05:23:34 <andrew12> ty
496 2010-11-29 05:23:44 <nanotube> andrew12: that'll be 5 btc please :P haha
497 2010-11-29 05:23:47 <andrew12> lol
498 2010-11-29 05:23:57 <nanotube> jgarzik: i'm with you on that.
499 2010-11-29 05:24:06 <ArtForz> yep
500 2010-11-29 05:24:08 <theymos> nanotube: If that happens and the protocol has not been broken, I will buy all of the cheap bitcoins.
501 2010-11-29 05:24:11 <kiba> jgarzik: so, any technical difficulty?
502 2010-11-29 05:24:20 <kiba> challenge?
503 2010-11-29 05:24:23 <nanotube> theymos: if you can get connected with people who are willing to sell. :)
504 2010-11-29 05:24:40 <nanotube> kiba: i bet it's just 'satoshi hasn't gotten around to it'
505 2010-11-29 05:24:44 <andrew12> is it even possible for bitcoin to die?
506 2010-11-29 05:24:48 <ArtForz> we're also still missing a few features to make running a tor-only bitcoin possible
507 2010-11-29 05:24:48 <kiba> Maybe I could sell little brother robots...
508 2010-11-29 05:25:08 <theymos> Authentication is the problem with encrypted Bitcoin traffic. I think it could be solved reasonably well by including a public key with addr messages, but this is clearly not intended. I don't think it will ever be implemented.
509 2010-11-29 05:25:43 <jgarzik> I think SSL is a problem on Windows.  ISTR gavina saying that, when the RPC-SSL stuff went in.
510 2010-11-29 05:25:52 <jgarzik> something about the libs being a PITA.
511 2010-11-29 05:26:13 <ArtForz> yep, but then you can just include them in the distribution
512 2010-11-29 05:27:15 <ArtForz> afaict only thing we're really missing for proper tor hidden servicce support is socks4a support and some kind of .onion addr message
513 2010-11-29 05:27:23 <andrew12> omg
514 2010-11-29 05:27:33 <nanotube> theymos: well, there's no kind of authentication /right now/, so would we be losing anything by going with ssl without auth?
515 2010-11-29 05:27:36 <kiba> go to sleep, youngling
516 2010-11-29 05:27:44 <andrew12> someone should make a DRM-free music service that uses bittorrent
517 2010-11-29 05:27:55 <andrew12> kiba: :p
518 2010-11-29 05:27:55 <nanotube> andrew12: it's called the pirate bay :P
519 2010-11-29 05:28:02 <ArtForz> hehehe
520 2010-11-29 05:28:04 <genjix> like bittorrent? :p
521 2010-11-29 05:28:09 <andrew12> nanotube: i mean people actually pay for the music
522 2010-11-29 05:28:14 <andrew12> but yeah you're right
523 2010-11-29 05:28:16 <andrew12> heh
524 2010-11-29 05:28:23 <kiba> there are no bitcoin musician that I know of?
525 2010-11-29 05:28:25 <jgarzik> yeah, I think anonymous SSL is fine if the goal is a simple traffic shroud
526 2010-11-29 05:28:29 <theymos> nanotube: Encryption without authentication is basically just obfuscation. It would be a waste of development time.
527 2010-11-29 05:28:34 <kiba> bitcoin musicans
528 2010-11-29 05:28:51 <andrew12> I mean, it would be cool if there were an iTunes that used bitcoin and bittorrent
529 2010-11-29 05:28:57 <kiba> A bitcoin theme song!
530 2010-11-29 05:29:03 <andrew12> rather than downloading everything from a master server
531 2010-11-29 05:29:15 <andrew12> maybe even pay you for seeding? lol
532 2010-11-29 05:29:30 <kiba> with satoshi and bernanke as stars
533 2010-11-29 05:29:41 <nanotube> theymos: all we're trying to do is make dpi hard. after all, an isp can get a copy of bitcoin with the keys, and authenticate as well.
534 2010-11-29 05:30:02 <ColonelPanic> my gpu miner no longer works :(
535 2010-11-29 05:30:04 <nanotube> given the anonymous p2p nature of the network, i don't see if authentication gives us anything?
536 2010-11-29 05:30:11 <ArtForz> I dont think so
537 2010-11-29 05:30:36 <ArtForz> not to mention MITMing unauthed ssl is trivial
538 2010-11-29 05:31:04 <theymos> nanotube: The seednodes would have built-in public keys, and would be the source of authority for the network. Like Tor directory servers.
539 2010-11-29 05:31:30 <nanotube> hmm well, who are the 'seednodes', exactly, then?
540 2010-11-29 05:31:41 <nanotube> how hard would it be for a govt to 'become a seednode' ?
541 2010-11-29 05:31:48 <jgarzik> weird.  block download went fairly rapidly from 1 - 82000.  then it stopped, and does not appear to be continuing.
542 2010-11-29 05:31:51 <andrew12> re: an isp can get a copy of bitcoin with the keys...: this is why you use tor
543 2010-11-29 05:32:45 <andrew12> ping?
544 2010-11-29 05:33:34 <nanotube> andrew12: pong. guess people are looking at other stuff, and/or thinking.
545 2010-11-29 05:33:37 <kiba> how would it protect us from government sniffing out block history?
546 2010-11-29 05:33:40 <nanotube> andrew12: and you should be going to sleep.
547 2010-11-29 05:33:45 <andrew12> i should
548 2010-11-29 05:33:48 <theymos> nanotube: There are seednodes hardcoded into Bitcoin (I'm one). If they are not completely trusted, you would ask several of them for the same key and compare results. Tor and I2P do authentication like this. I wonder how Freenet does it.
549 2010-11-29 05:33:50 <andrew12> but that's easier said than done
550 2010-11-29 05:33:51 <andrew12> brb
551 2010-11-29 05:34:42 <nanotube> theymos: ah those seednodes. i see. well, i haven't looked very deep into how tor/i2p/freenet do things... but i suppose it's a good bet that there are things we can learn from them.
552 2010-11-29 05:34:47 <kiba> I heard you can forget the transaction history somehow?
553 2010-11-29 05:35:16 <theymos> jgarzik: I think it only asks the first peer.
554 2010-11-29 05:35:33 <kiba> I only wish I have cryptographic knowledge to help with the bitcoin effort
555 2010-11-29 05:35:39 <jgarzik> bitcoin should be requesting blocks from multiple peers, and measuring the download speed
556 2010-11-29 05:35:49 <jgarzik> pick best peer through observation.  P2P 101.
557 2010-11-29 05:35:52 <kiba> development, er
558 2010-11-29 05:35:55 <nanotube> jgarzik: time for another patch? :)
559 2010-11-29 05:36:05 <nanotube> kiba: you have plenty of time to learn.
560 2010-11-29 05:37:12 <theymos> kiba: Spent transactions that were spent like 5000+ blocks ago can be forgotten from the block chain, as they will no longer be needed for verification.
561 2010-11-29 05:37:53 <jgarzik> but the P2P block download is so bad, it's tough to get even a complete download at this point.  And I've got fibre-to-the-curb from AT&T, so it's not a grotty network.
562 2010-11-29 05:37:58 <andrew12_> the inevitable router kick after changing settings
563 2010-11-29 05:38:22 <xelister> woot found a code-style bug in bitcoind
564 2010-11-29 05:38:23 <andrew12> anyways apparently port 8333 wasn't forwarded. it is now.
565 2010-11-29 05:38:28 <xelister> making bitcoin not fully portable
566 2010-11-29 05:38:53 <jgarzik> xelister: it's widely known bitcoin is not very portable :)  the attitude towards big endian machines is downright hostile :(
567 2010-11-29 05:38:54 <nanotube> andrew12: what time zone are you in?
568 2010-11-29 05:38:57 <andrew12> est
569 2010-11-29 05:39:01 <xelister> Satoshi uses boost's ::detail in util.cpp making therefore bitcoind not crossbuildable
570 2010-11-29 05:39:05 <andrew12> it's 1:40am
571 2010-11-29 05:39:16 <xelister> jgarzik: I fixed it o/  (I -> I + dudes from 5 chans on irc ;)
572 2010-11-29 05:39:19 <nanotube> andrew12: then you better get the fsck to sleep if you want to be awake tomorrow at school.
573 2010-11-29 05:39:25 <xelister> now bitcoind can be crossbuilded o/
574 2010-11-29 05:39:34 <andrew12> okay okay fine
575 2010-11-29 05:39:38 <andrew12> i'll _try_
576 2010-11-29 05:39:40 <xelister> making bitcoind.exe on linux without touching winshit
577 2010-11-29 05:39:49 <xelister> just after 8 hours of f'king with it :{
578 2010-11-29 05:39:52 <xelister> o\n65511
579 2010-11-29 05:39:55 <xelister> o/
580 2010-11-29 05:39:59 <jgarzik> xelister: I thought makefile.mingw covered that?
581 2010-11-29 05:40:13 <xelister> no, it was compiler not crosscompiler
582 2010-11-29 05:40:21 <xelister> also, still you need to build at least 3 libs
583 2010-11-29 05:40:23 <xelister> crossbuild
584 2010-11-29 05:40:41 <andrew12> why the hell am i shaking
585 2010-11-29 05:40:43 <xelister> well still didnt test it but at least the   bitcoind.exe: PE32 executable for MS Windows (console) Intel 80386 32-bit  is building
586 2010-11-29 05:41:53 <xelister> anyway, Satoshi did done goofed with this boost ::detail thing :<
587 2010-11-29 05:42:03 <xelister> load config file function should be rewritten. well its just 10 lines
588 2010-11-29 05:42:26 <nanotube> xelister: so submit a patch.
589 2010-11-29 05:42:40 <andrew12> Everybody wins!
590 2010-11-29 05:43:09 <xelister> not sure yet how to code it, didnt used that part of boost.  but hopefully
591 2010-11-29 05:44:43 <kiba> Rhorning make a reallllllllllllly long post.
592 2010-11-29 05:45:04 <theymos> All of his posts are long.
593 2010-11-29 05:46:09 <theymos> I've seen several people with this style: they write a godawful amount of text, but I walk away gaining hardly any information.
594 2010-11-29 05:47:10 <kiba> his post is not new.
595 2010-11-29 05:47:19 <kiba> I didn't gained any new information.
596 2010-11-29 05:47:26 <andrew12> Quantity does not result in quality!
597 2010-11-29 05:47:32 <xelister> lt;dr
598 2010-11-29 05:47:35 <kiba> because a thousand people already say the same shit already
599 2010-11-29 05:47:42 <kiba> andrew12: go to sleep
600 2010-11-29 05:47:52 <andrew12> easier said than done :*
601 2010-11-29 05:47:54 <andrew12> easier said than done :(
602 2010-11-29 05:48:04 <kiba> DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT
603 2010-11-29 05:48:13 <andrew12> fine i'll try
604 2010-11-29 05:48:34 <kiba> TURN OFF THE COMPUTER
605 2010-11-29 05:48:45 <xelister> leave the miner on
606 2010-11-29 05:58:35 <xelister> where exactly do windwos user create their bitcoin.conf file?
607 2010-11-29 05:58:47 <xelister> is it RoamingApps something
608 2010-11-29 05:59:12 <xelister> doh, its in faq.
609 2010-11-29 08:08:43 <jgarzik> With -initblocks, bitcoin will import, verify, index and store each block in this file, thus making it acceptable to obtain from untrusted sources.
610 2010-11-29 08:08:44 <jgarzik> http://yyz.us/bitcoin/patch.bitcoin-initblocks
611 2010-11-29 08:57:27 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,estimate
612 2010-11-29 08:57:28 <gribble> 7751.53682470
613 2010-11-29 08:58:22 <Diablo-D3> man what the fuck
614 2010-11-29 08:58:31 <Diablo-D3> rocketdock
615 2010-11-29 08:58:48 <Diablo-D3> why the fuck would anyone write that for windows
616 2010-11-29 09:04:45 <Diablo-D3> http://www.glx-dock.org/
617 2010-11-29 09:04:47 <Diablo-D3> seriously?!
618 2010-11-29 10:13:53 <xelister> Diablo-D3: your latest miner still sucks
619 2010-11-29 10:14:07 <xelister> Diablo-D3: 2nd time it was left alone, it again dropped to 470 M
620 2010-11-29 10:14:30 <xelister> and the kernel-is-locked code did not triggered restart (I guess it only dtects actually locksup)
621 2010-11-29 10:28:10 <xelister> how to see how much generated blocks are in the wait period (20h) before becoming 50 btc on your ballance
622 2010-11-29 10:42:11 <Diablo-D3> xelister: you know what
623 2010-11-29 10:42:13 <Diablo-D3> go fuck yourself
624 2010-11-29 10:42:19 <xelister> >_>
625 2010-11-29 10:42:38 <Diablo-D3> if you have a fucking local issue, MY MINER CANT FIX IT
626 2010-11-29 10:42:44 <Diablo-D3> its not God
627 2010-11-29 10:42:56 <Diablo-D3> it cant wave its fucking magical hands to fix whatever you've fucked up
628 2010-11-29 10:43:01 <xelister> hm?
629 2010-11-29 10:43:07 <Diablo-D3> and that 30 second hash o meter you pestered the fuck out of me to implement?
630 2010-11-29 10:43:10 <Diablo-D3> its now even MORE reactive
631 2010-11-29 10:43:22 <xelister> the miner just slows down, probably gradually, over some hours it was left alone
632 2010-11-29 10:43:25 <Diablo-D3> scroll in firefox? the hash o meter plummits
633 2010-11-29 10:43:44 <Diablo-D3> xelister: probably because your fucking video card is overheating and its trying to save itself
634 2010-11-29 10:43:47 <xelister> computer was idle during this 4 hours
635 2010-11-29 10:45:09 <Diablo-D3> so what
636 2010-11-29 10:45:10 <xelister> hmm you think? there is plenty space in the box, ambient temp 22 C, now (after 20 second pause while restarting miner) 85.5/84.5 C cores temp
637 2010-11-29 10:45:17 <Diablo-D3> yeah
638 2010-11-29 10:45:23 <Diablo-D3> thats waaaay over 75 dude
639 2010-11-29 10:45:43 <xelister> well the card instantly goes to 85, its not even o.c.
640 2010-11-29 10:46:13 <Diablo-D3> dont you have a powercolor card?
641 2010-11-29 10:46:17 <xelister> who says 75 is limit for radeon internal temp?  5770 afair also was going in that region quickly
642 2010-11-29 10:46:25 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: hey you
643 2010-11-29 10:46:35 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: whats the panic temp for radeon 5xxxes?
644 2010-11-29 10:52:02 <xelister> Diablo-D3: you are 100% sure recent version correctly mines? I got several blocks in miner yesterday, and now still no increase in my ballance
645 2010-11-29 10:52:23 <xelister> so... how to see how much generated blocks are in the wait period (20h) before becoming 50 btc on your ballance
646 2010-11-29 10:53:12 <Diablo-D3> yes, it mines correctly
647 2010-11-29 10:53:17 <Diablo-D3> xelister: look at the UI
648 2010-11-29 10:53:39 <Diablo-D3> xelister: btw, if your card IS overheating, then who knows whats happening
649 2010-11-29 10:55:28 <xelister> "The Radeon HD 5970 maxed out at 86C. The fan on the Radeon HD 5970 video card was left on auto during temperature testing and the fan speed is dynamic."
650 2010-11-29 10:55:31 <xelister> http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1141/11/
651 2010-11-29 10:56:02 <Diablo-D3> xelister: that means absolutely nothing.
652 2010-11-29 10:59:54 <xelister> under linux how to see exact temp?
653 2010-11-29 11:00:14 <Diablo-D3> um
654 2010-11-29 11:00:24 <xelister> vrm
655 2010-11-29 11:00:52 <Diablo-D3> aticonfig --adapter=all --odgt
656 2010-11-29 11:00:53 <Diablo-D3> I think
657 2010-11-29 11:00:54 <xelister> "we ultimately found that 70% fan speed was enough to keep our hottest bank of VRMs below the threshold, stabilizing at 116C."
658 2010-11-29 11:01:11 <xelister> yeah but that shows 2 metters, is  there more info (or did they plugged in own thermo?)
659 2010-11-29 11:01:14 <xelister> http://www.anandtech.com/show/3590
660 2010-11-29 11:01:21 <Diablo-D3> they plugged their own in
661 2010-11-29 11:01:28 <Diablo-D3> cards dont have ram temps yet
662 2010-11-29 11:01:28 <xelister> faggots :{
663 2010-11-29 11:01:41 <xelister> anyway, miners shoul not stress gpu's mem
664 2010-11-29 11:01:50 <Diablo-D3> they DO make ram chips with temps, but not anything outside mil/enterprise spec super shit
665 2010-11-29 11:01:54 <Diablo-D3> they dont
666 2010-11-29 11:01:59 <Diablo-D3> it shouldnt be an issue here
667 2010-11-29 11:02:09 <Diablo-D3> as long as they're kept within the realm of cool enough
668 2010-11-29 11:02:18 <xelister> I dont think its overheating
669 2010-11-29 11:02:25 <Diablo-D3> aticonfig --adapter=all --odgt
670 2010-11-29 11:02:26 <xelister> my card just goes to 85.5 and stays there
671 2010-11-29 11:02:30 <xelister> yeah I usee that ofcource
672 2010-11-29 11:02:34 <ArtForz> btw, those VRMs do have digital temp readouts
673 2010-11-29 11:02:35 <Diablo-D3> thats the line
674 2010-11-29 11:02:42 <Diablo-D3> Adapter 0 - ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series
675 2010-11-29 11:02:45 <xelister> and yet after few hours it slows down
676 2010-11-29 11:02:47 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: they do? since when?
677 2010-11-29 11:02:51 <ArtForz> theres just no way tzo access that info from linux
678 2010-11-29 11:02:57 <ArtForz> 5970s had them forever
679 2010-11-29 11:02:58 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: btw, xelister's shit is slowing down after he gets past 85c. Is it throttling?
680 2010-11-29 11:03:08 <ArtForz> all volterra VRMs have temp monitoring
681 2010-11-29 11:03:09 <xelister> actually, so far both time it slowed down <500M it was when machine was left totally alone.   (no, im not usin 3d screensaver ;)
682 2010-11-29 11:03:14 <ArtForz> probably
683 2010-11-29 11:03:19 <Diablo-D3> good
684 2010-11-29 11:03:22 <Diablo-D3> then its not my fucking miner
685 2010-11-29 11:03:23 <ArtForz> stock or overvolted?
686 2010-11-29 11:03:25 <Diablo-D3> xelister: fuck off.
687 2010-11-29 11:03:37 <Diablo-D3> xelister: and buy a fucking fan you douche
688 2010-11-29 11:03:52 <xelister> Diablo-D3: but this temperature is normal
689 2010-11-29 11:03:54 <xelister> is it?
690 2010-11-29 11:03:57 <Diablo-D3> hell no
691 2010-11-29 11:03:59 <xelister> ArtForz: what temps you have on 5970's ?
692 2010-11-29 11:04:16 <Diablo-D3> anything over 65 for extended periods on anything ever can lead to very short operation lives
693 2010-11-29 11:04:25 <ArtForz> hottest is 80???C core, and that card is constantly on the verge of throttling
694 2010-11-29 11:04:27 <Diablo-D3> anything over 85 for most chips is somewhat fatal
695 2010-11-29 11:04:37 <Diablo-D3> and there are chips where its 75
696 2010-11-29 11:04:39 <xelister> well, what fan?
697 2010-11-29 11:04:44 <ArtForz> afaik for AMD GPUs long term > 85???C = bad
698 2010-11-29 11:04:55 <xelister> 5970 comes in a box, there is plenty of space inside the PC's tower... what to do then
699 2010-11-29 11:05:01 <ArtForz> short term up to 100???C are ok
700 2010-11-29 11:05:05 <Diablo-D3> chips themselves tend to start frying at >85 for extended periods
701 2010-11-29 11:05:14 <xelister> I could open the window with -1 C outside, but not long term solution
702 2010-11-29 11:05:19 <ArtForz> the silicon can handle 100???C fine
703 2010-11-29 11:05:37 <ArtForz> the problem is the bonding between silicon and package
704 2010-11-29 11:05:38 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: yeah, but its everything else that cant
705 2010-11-29 11:05:41 <Diablo-D3> yeah
706 2010-11-29 11:05:59 <ArtForz> = what caused nvidia bumpgate
707 2010-11-29 11:06:02 <Diablo-D3> xelister: you could always take the card body off  and point a high speed 120mm fan straight at it
708 2010-11-29 11:06:03 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: no
709 2010-11-29 11:06:09 <ArtForz> they used a underfill that would lose strength > 75???C
710 2010-11-29 11:06:14 <Diablo-D3> what caused nvidia bumpgate was mismanagement
711 2010-11-29 11:06:18 <Diablo-D3> AND
712 2010-11-29 11:06:20 <Diablo-D3> AAAND
713 2010-11-29 11:06:30 <Diablo-D3> cards that never reached above 65 in their entire lives
714 2010-11-29 11:06:32 <Diablo-D3> died
715 2010-11-29 11:06:41 <ArtForz> not here
716 2010-11-29 11:06:43 <Diablo-D3> someone proved that under scientific conditions
717 2010-11-29 11:06:59 <Diablo-D3> kept them icy cool and they died in a few months
718 2010-11-29 11:07:00 <xelister> that remind me.  Can anyone (service? shop?) tell how card was used (o.c.'d? max temp?)
719 2010-11-29 11:07:14 <Diablo-D3> xelister: _you_ cant
720 2010-11-29 11:07:17 <Diablo-D3> AMD and vendors can
721 2010-11-29 11:07:28 <ArtForz> about 90% of dead/dying nvidias I see are mobile GPUs
722 2010-11-29 11:07:43 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: yes, thats just because nvidia lies about the TDP
723 2010-11-29 11:07:46 <Diablo-D3> and the manufs dont care
724 2010-11-29 11:07:52 <xelister> my point is, I'm /NOT/ o.c.ing this card, so I dont want anyone to say "well it probably died because you o.c. - fu no warranty" etc
725 2010-11-29 11:08:04 <Diablo-D3> xelister: no, it died due to improper cooling
726 2010-11-29 11:08:12 <Diablo-D3> cards are NOT designed for 24/7 maximum rape usage
727 2010-11-29 11:08:14 <ArtForz> anyways, have you seen my recent prototype quad 5970 case?
728 2010-11-29 11:08:20 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: url
729 2010-11-29 11:08:27 <ArtForz> http://bayimg.com/KAAeaaAdp
730 2010-11-29 11:08:28 <xelister> Diablo-D3: I dont see no warning labels about this ;)
731 2010-11-29 11:08:40 <Diablo-D3> xelister: common sense is the fucking warning label
732 2010-11-29 11:09:02 <ArtForz> built in ~3h from some scrap boards I had around to see if the CAD drawings are ok
733 2010-11-29 11:09:15 <Diablo-D3> and the warranty probably said unintended usage is not covered by warranty
734 2010-11-29 11:09:16 <xelister> Diablo-D3: what? that is bullshit. I expect in example CPU to work under 100% load 24/7 for years.
735 2010-11-29 11:09:23 <xelister> why should gpu be different
736 2010-11-29 11:09:24 <Diablo-D3> it doesnt need to list what they consider unintended.
737 2010-11-29 11:09:32 <xelister> will radeon 5970 throll itself if overheating? in hardware
738 2010-11-29 11:09:37 <Diablo-D3> xelister: a consumer cpu with a stock cooler? LOL
739 2010-11-29 11:09:56 <xelister> Diablo-D3: yes
740 2010-11-29 11:09:59 <Diablo-D3> bwhahahaha
741 2010-11-29 11:10:00 <Diablo-D3> never.
742 2010-11-29 11:11:11 <Diablo-D3> why do you think I have an extra wide case designed with efficient cooling in mind, and two gigantic third party coolers?
743 2010-11-29 11:11:16 <ArtForz> and yep, thats cutouts for 3 120x38mm ultra kaze 3ks
744 2010-11-29 11:11:53 <ArtForz> which should be enough to keep the cards in mid-70s at 70% fan speed
745 2010-11-29 11:12:03 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: hrm
746 2010-11-29 11:12:03 <xelister> well hmm how to install any such coolers?
747 2010-11-29 11:12:10 <Diablo-D3> xelister: just like the stock ones.
748 2010-11-29 11:12:16 <ArtForz> forget 3rd party air on 5970
749 2010-11-29 11:12:16 <xelister> its a single 5970 on short mobo in full tower box
750 2010-11-29 11:12:26 <Diablo-D3> yeah, 5970s cant be redone
751 2010-11-29 11:12:35 <Diablo-D3> single gpus of all kind can
752 2010-11-29 11:12:37 <ArtForz> well, not unless you go water
753 2010-11-29 11:12:47 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: yeah, but thats a different conversation altogether
754 2010-11-29 11:12:50 <ArtForz> most 5970 waterblocks are decent
755 2010-11-29 11:12:59 <xelister> water cooling would be good?
756 2010-11-29 11:13:03 <ArtForz> the stock cooler is noisy but works decently with some external help
757 2010-11-29 11:13:08 <Diablo-D3> I dont think water cooling is really acceptable for consumer gear
758 2010-11-29 11:13:10 <xelister> but then do I have to dissassmble to 5970 box??
759 2010-11-29 11:13:18 <ArtForz> the AC accelero is utter crap
760 2010-11-29 11:13:22 <Diablo-D3> xelister: dont bother putting third party HSFs on 5970s
761 2010-11-29 11:13:25 <Diablo-D3> xelister: not worth it
762 2010-11-29 11:13:35 <xelister> HSF ?
763 2010-11-29 11:13:41 <ArtForz> heat sink / fan
764 2010-11-29 11:13:51 <Diablo-D3> that reminds me
765 2010-11-29 11:14:04 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: did they change the mounting brackets on 5/6xxx?
766 2010-11-29 11:14:11 <ArtForz> ?
767 2010-11-29 11:14:23 <Diablo-D3> will the cooler on my 4xxx still fit
768 2010-11-29 11:14:27 <ArtForz> it should
769 2010-11-29 11:14:28 <Diablo-D3> I dont wanna have to buy a new one
770 2010-11-29 11:14:37 <ArtForz> doesnt look like they changed the hole spacing
771 2010-11-29 11:14:41 <Diablo-D3> good
772 2010-11-29 11:14:58 <Diablo-D3> Ill have to buy a new set of vram heatsinks though
773 2010-11-29 11:15:11 <ArtForz> probably also some kind of VRM cooling
774 2010-11-29 11:15:24 <Diablo-D3> hrm
775 2010-11-29 11:15:27 <Diablo-D3> maybe I'll just buy a new one
776 2010-11-29 11:15:42 <ArtForz> I kinda like the stock HSF on 5850
777 2010-11-29 11:16:14 <Diablo-D3> which models come with stock vapor coolers?
778 2010-11-29 11:16:18 <ArtForz> 5970
779 2010-11-29 11:16:31 <ArtForz> afair that's it
780 2010-11-29 11:16:35 <Diablo-D3> damn.
781 2010-11-29 11:16:52 <ArtForz> I think 5850/5870 is a heatpipe design
782 2010-11-29 11:16:57 <Diablo-D3> I should replace my heatsinks anyhow
783 2010-11-29 11:16:59 <ArtForz> and 5830 of course
784 2010-11-29 11:17:05 <Diablo-D3> maybe put some giant copper ones on
785 2010-11-29 11:17:20 <ArtForz> 68xx coolers are imo worse than 58xx
786 2010-11-29 11:17:49 <ArtForz> they use a smaller fan on 68xx
787 2010-11-29 11:18:03 <ArtForz> 58xx/59xx all have the same fan
788 2010-11-29 11:18:33 <ArtForz> and 5850 has pretty much the same cooler as 5830 and 5870
789 2010-11-29 11:19:05 <ArtForz> = it's a pretty oversized HSF
790 2010-11-29 11:19:20 <Diablo-D3> hrrrrm
791 2010-11-29 11:19:37 <Diablo-D3> http://thermalright.com/products/index.php?act=data&cat_id=30&id=164
792 2010-11-29 11:19:46 <Diablo-D3> holy mother of god
793 2010-11-29 11:20:28 <ArtForz> guess they had spare heatpipes :P
794 2010-11-29 11:21:15 <xelister> it should include a lowrider mode
795 2010-11-29 11:22:48 <ArtForz> http://thermalright.com/products/index.php?act=data&cat_id=30&id=93
796 2010-11-29 11:23:32 <Diablo-D3> yeah, how the fuck is that supposed to work
797 2010-11-29 11:23:42 <Diablo-D3> thats only useful if you have a short cpu hsf
798 2010-11-29 11:23:46 <Diablo-D3> and it'll sit under that
799 2010-11-29 11:23:49 <ArtForz> ?
800 2010-11-29 11:23:52 <Diablo-D3> because thats tall enough to clear the card and go over
801 2010-11-29 11:23:57 <ArtForz> yep
802 2010-11-29 11:24:30 <Diablo-D3> you do know how mines setup, right?
803 2010-11-29 11:24:38 <ArtForz> yep
804 2010-11-29 11:24:42 <Diablo-D3> http://thermalright.com/products/index.php?act=data&cat_id=30&id=111
805 2010-11-29 11:24:47 <altamic> hello folks
806 2010-11-29 11:24:48 <Diablo-D3> flipped over, crammed into cpu cooling stack
807 2010-11-29 11:24:52 <Diablo-D3> shunts out the top of the case
808 2010-11-29 11:25:12 <ArtForz> dunno, I just kinda like the 90??? designs
809 2010-11-29 11:25:26 <ArtForz> way easier to get decent airflow through/around the fin area
810 2010-11-29 11:25:37 <Diablo-D3> yeah, so this would sit comfortably over a stock cpu hsf
811 2010-11-29 11:25:43 <ArtForz> yep
812 2010-11-29 11:26:33 <ArtForz> afair you can also install em the other way around
813 2010-11-29 11:26:44 <Diablo-D3> yeah
814 2010-11-29 11:26:48 <Diablo-D3> its a double sided pad like mine is
815 2010-11-29 11:27:10 <ArtForz> which is kinda useful if you only have 1 GPU and a bunch of lower cards
816 2010-11-29 11:28:18 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: not quite
817 2010-11-29 11:28:24 <Diablo-D3> you'd have to vent it somehow
818 2010-11-29 11:28:34 <Diablo-D3> most cases suck at venting without extra fans
819 2010-11-29 11:29:14 <ArtForz> dont most cases have a side panel grill in the card area nowadays?
820 2010-11-29 11:30:07 <Diablo-D3> those are over the cpu
821 2010-11-29 11:30:11 <Diablo-D3> which is actually retarded
822 2010-11-29 11:30:14 <Diablo-D3> the p180b does it better
823 2010-11-29 11:30:23 <Diablo-D3> the vent is in the top of the case
824 2010-11-29 11:30:26 <Diablo-D3> and blows straight up
825 2010-11-29 11:30:37 <ArtForz> nope, actually a lot of cases have grills in the CPU *and* card area
826 2010-11-29 11:30:49 <Diablo-D3> Ive never seen a case with a grill near the card
827 2010-11-29 11:30:50 <Diablo-D3> thats useless
828 2010-11-29 11:31:22 <ArtForz> actually it works pretty decently for non-exhausting designs
829 2010-11-29 11:31:34 <Diablo-D3> might as well just orient cards flat
830 2010-11-29 11:31:47 <Diablo-D3> http://thermalright.com/products/index.php?cat_id=23#id=143
831 2010-11-29 11:31:55 <Diablo-D3> I think I could buy two packs of these or something
832 2010-11-29 11:32:04 <ArtForz> with a normal case design you have nearly no airflow in the card area
833 2010-11-29 11:32:34 <Diablo-D3> actually
834 2010-11-29 11:32:38 <ArtForz> so they put a exhaust grill over the slots or in the rear of the side panel
835 2010-11-29 11:32:40 <Diablo-D3> I wonder if a manufacturer sells a good kit
836 2010-11-29 11:32:44 <Diablo-D3> already done
837 2010-11-29 11:32:51 <Diablo-D3> Ive seen lots of cards with third party hsf already on the card
838 2010-11-29 11:46:24 <OneFixt> ;;bc,estimate
839 2010-11-29 11:46:25 <gribble> 7780.95743293
840 2010-11-29 11:58:35 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: damnit
841 2010-11-29 11:58:43 <Diablo-D3> why the fuck cant someone just make a fucking card that isnt shit
842 2010-11-29 11:58:46 <Diablo-D3> thats all I fucking ask
843 2010-11-29 12:00:02 <xelister> Diablo-D3: profit/demand
844 2010-11-29 12:00:14 <xelister> apparently people tollerate a-bit-shitty cards enough
845 2010-11-29 12:00:55 <Diablo-D3> xelister: yeah but
846 2010-11-29 12:00:59 <Diablo-D3> they could just make triple wide cards
847 2010-11-29 12:01:02 <Diablo-D3> and get it over with
848 2010-11-29 12:01:29 <Diablo-D3> put two 40mm fans on the end
849 2010-11-29 12:01:35 <Diablo-D3> and the air is shot right out the case
850 2010-11-29 12:02:20 <xelister> hm so anyone knows how to check blocks generated by me?
851 2010-11-29 12:02:32 <xelister> generated some blocks like 24+ hours ago  and still dont see ballacne change
852 2010-11-29 12:02:41 <Diablo-D3> I already told you
853 2010-11-29 12:02:43 <Diablo-D3> stop bitcoind
854 2010-11-29 12:02:46 <Diablo-D3> start bitcoin
855 2010-11-29 12:02:50 <Diablo-D3> check the fucking ui
856 2010-11-29 12:02:55 <xelister> oh didnt read that
857 2010-11-29 12:02:57 <xelister> I dunt use fucking ui
858 2010-11-29 12:03:06 <Diablo-D3> neither do I outside of that
859 2010-11-29 12:03:06 <xelister> how to check from cmd line / rpc
860 2010-11-29 12:03:09 <Diablo-D3> you cant
861 2010-11-29 12:03:18 <Diablo-D3> dont like it? SUBMIT A PATCH TO SATOSHI
862 2010-11-29 12:03:22 <xelister> :{
863 2010-11-29 12:03:25 <Diablo-D3> goddamned fucking users
864 2010-11-29 12:03:28 <Diablo-D3> all of them always want shit
865 2010-11-29 12:03:39 <Diablo-D3> never willing to do it themselves
866 2010-11-29 12:05:06 <xelister> I wanted to code better stats as I did with m0ms, you did it faster (1 day) :)
867 2010-11-29 12:05:25 <Diablo-D3> you wouldnt have done it elegant enough
868 2010-11-29 12:05:33 <Diablo-D3> restarting every x seconds isnt an acceptable solution
869 2010-11-29 12:06:12 <xelister> *code better stats*
870 2010-11-29 12:06:29 <Diablo-D3> what other stats does my app do?
871 2010-11-29 12:06:35 <xelister> yeah I would put there array of last X samples, sample each 1 second for example, and show: last sample, nast N=30 samples avg, and global avg, obviously
872 2010-11-29 12:06:48 <Diablo-D3> meh, two is enough
873 2010-11-29 12:06:49 <xelister> btw, you coded just 1/3 rd of above
874 2010-11-29 12:07:29 <xelister> about restarts, well, then now Im unsure...
875 2010-11-29 12:08:05 <xelister> ArtForz: do you think slowdown from 99-97 to 70% GPU load, and 530->470M, can be in fact due to some throlling or other hw problem with radeon5970 at 86C ?
876 2010-11-29 12:08:21 <xelister> its not o.c.'d?
877 2010-11-29 12:08:23 <xelister> its not o.c.'d
878 2010-11-29 12:08:30 <Diablo-D3> xelister: and yes, obviously now I dont need that fucking restart code
879 2010-11-29 12:08:36 <Diablo-D3> since its fucking obvious your shits throttling
880 2010-11-29 12:08:37 <Diablo-D3> and btw
881 2010-11-29 12:08:44 <Diablo-D3> you know how you kept repeating that review?
882 2010-11-29 12:08:45 <Diablo-D3> thats useless
883 2010-11-29 12:08:52 <Diablo-D3> reviews never use real world conditions
884 2010-11-29 12:09:02 <Diablo-D3> every computer is different
885 2010-11-29 12:09:14 <xelister> well I remain uncertain, gfx right away goes to 86 C, why would it start slowing down only some hours later
886 2010-11-29 12:09:46 <Diablo-D3> probably because its finally throttling
887 2010-11-29 12:10:10 <xelister> but if it still stays at 86.0 C, why wait hours before throlling...I should log gpu temp next time
888 2010-11-29 12:10:19 <Diablo-D3> why wait? who knows
889 2010-11-29 12:10:24 <Diablo-D3> but its obvious its throttling
890 2010-11-29 12:10:52 <xelister> how to be sure?  GPU load can go down due to throlling or due to other factors... is the throlling reported anywhere
891 2010-11-29 12:11:09 <Diablo-D3> I doubt its reported
892 2010-11-29 12:11:12 <Diablo-D3> you know why?
893 2010-11-29 12:11:16 <Diablo-D3> THAT'D BE USEFUL
894 2010-11-29 12:11:19 <Diablo-D3> AND GOD FORBID
895 2010-11-29 12:11:19 <xelister> :)
896 2010-11-29 12:11:21 <Diablo-D3> IS SHIT USEFUL
897 2010-11-29 12:11:25 <Diablo-D3> WE CANT HAVE THAT CAN WE
898 2010-11-29 12:11:45 <xelister> they could at least report it in windows drivers, to fuck with linux community
899 2010-11-29 12:11:54 <Diablo-D3> meh
900 2010-11-29 12:11:58 <Diablo-D3> I wouldnt report it in the windows ones
901 2010-11-29 12:11:59 <Diablo-D3> you know why?
902 2010-11-29 12:12:28 <Diablo-D3> a dialog would pop up, minimize their fullscreen game, and enrage all these fucking counterstrike fags
903 2010-11-29 12:12:47 <Diablo-D3> WARGH DONT CARE ABOUT HEAT, I JUST MISSED SNIPER SHOT, OM NOM NOM CHEETOES
904 2010-11-29 12:12:49 <xelister> it could have been logged in some utlity like that Ati stuff I bet there is for windows too
905 2010-11-29 12:13:00 <xelister> VALVE AR FAGS. DUST PLZ
906 2010-11-29 12:13:02 <Diablo-D3> well, if it is logged, Im not aware of a place
907 2010-11-29 12:13:32 <Diablo-D3> and its probably iding by rapidly switching between "off" speed and "on" speed
908 2010-11-29 12:13:43 <Diablo-D3> so you cant catch it by monitoring speed
909 2010-11-29 12:13:57 <xelister> you think it throlles by modulating core speed?
910 2010-11-29 12:14:27 <xelister> well gpu core drops to 70% so thats not it
911 2010-11-29 12:14:32 <xelister> well gpu LOAD drops to 70% so thats not it
912 2010-11-29 12:17:39 <Diablo-D3> yes, but load is probably measured as "load to full speed"
913 2010-11-29 12:17:41 <Diablo-D3> as in
914 2010-11-29 12:17:47 <Diablo-D3> you can only hit 100% load at full speed
915 2010-11-29 12:18:06 <Diablo-D3> load <10% is valid once you switch to "off" mode (~= 150mhz or whatever)
916 2010-11-29 12:18:27 <Diablo-D3> load is also an estimate
917 2010-11-29 12:18:38 <Diablo-D3> I can make shit read near 100% load and get nothing useful done
918 2010-11-29 12:18:46 <xelister> Diablo-D3: what would be best place in your miner to send command like  setgenerate true,1  via RPC
919 2010-11-29 12:19:13 <Diablo-D3> xelister: there wouldnt be.
920 2010-11-29 12:19:16 <xelister> and also to know hook to "error" or "ok" response
921 2010-11-29 12:19:28 <xelister> Diablo-D3: why not?
922 2010-11-29 12:19:37 <Diablo-D3> because that should be setgenerate false.
923 2010-11-29 12:19:54 <Diablo-D3> cpu mining has no place in the world
924 2010-11-29 12:20:01 <xelister> that was just example, overall to execute rpc commands with arguments
925 2010-11-29 12:20:37 <Diablo-D3> follow the getwork/sendwork examples in jsonrpcclassthingy
926 2010-11-29 12:35:08 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127531
927 2010-11-29 12:35:38 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: thats the cheapest {5/6850, 5/6870} that isnt a shit brand
928 2010-11-29 12:55:02 <xelister> bitcoind wx widget's usage is wrong
929 2010-11-29 12:55:34 <xelister> hm, or it is simply 2.9-only. damn ubutnu not packing 2.9 yet
930 2010-11-29 12:56:03 <bonsaikitten> xelister: the makefile is a nice accident :)
931 2010-11-29 12:56:20 <xelister> bonsaikitten: what do you mean?
932 2010-11-29 12:56:24 <Diablo-D3> xelister: its 2.9 only
933 2010-11-29 12:56:31 <xelister> it should use `wx-config` by the way
934 2010-11-29 12:56:36 <Diablo-D3> I dont know why he uses 2.9
935 2010-11-29 12:56:42 <Diablo-D3> 2.9 is a beta version that will never be packaged
936 2010-11-29 12:57:03 <bonsaikitten> xelister: the best way to fix it would be to throw it away and start from scratch
937 2010-11-29 12:57:07 <xelister> thats not helping to get bitcoin packed for ubuntu
938 2010-11-29 12:57:56 <Diablo-D3> xelister: see, there you go again
939 2010-11-29 12:58:03 <Diablo-D3> bitch at satoshi if you want it fixed
940 2010-11-29 13:34:31 <anarchy_> ;;bc,stats
941 2010-11-29 13:34:33 <gribble> Current Blocks: 94507 | Current Difficulty: 6866.89864897 | Next Difficulty At Block: 94751 | Next Difficulty In: 244 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 11 hours, 44 minutes, and 57 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 7811.46877159
942 2010-11-29 14:11:49 <davux> hi :)
943 2010-11-29 14:12:25 <davux> how is it possible to use the TEST blockchain?
944 2010-11-29 14:12:55 <davux> i'm working on http://gitorious.org/bitcoim/ and i'll need to test payments soon
945 2010-11-29 14:24:44 <m0mchil> davux, run it with -testnet
946 2010-11-29 14:34:09 <xelister> hi m0mchil
947 2010-11-29 14:36:38 <m0mchil> hi
948 2010-11-29 14:39:21 <brocktice> m0mchil: hey!
949 2010-11-29 14:39:26 <brocktice> just the guy I was looking for
950 2010-11-29 14:39:30 <brocktice> I just sent you a pull request
951 2010-11-29 14:39:47 <m0mchil> hi brocktice
952 2010-11-29 14:40:17 <brocktice> m0mchil: You can read the pull request rather than me retyping it all here, but I'd like to know your opinion of it.
953 2010-11-29 15:15:11 <OneFixt> ;;bc,stats
954 2010-11-29 15:15:15 <gribble> Current Blocks: 94530 | Current Difficulty: 6866.89864897 | Next Difficulty At Block: 94751 | Next Difficulty In: 221 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 8 hours, 11 minutes, and 33 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 7856.81026329
955 2010-11-29 15:15:47 <nanotube> hm next difficulty estimate moving on up... :)