1 2010-12-03 00:00:16 <nelisky> nanotube: which is, how does one calculate the 'at X hashes/s it will take some 20 weeks to find a block, probably'
  2 2010-12-03 00:00:28 <nelisky> I know it's just an estimate, depends on luck etc
  3 2010-12-03 00:00:38 <nanotube> nelisky: aaah, in that case, all you need to do is look at the source for the bc,calc function. ,,bc,calc
  4 2010-12-03 00:00:39 <gribble> (bc,calc <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "echo The average time to generate a block at $1 Khps, given current difficulty of [bc,diff], is [time elapsed [math calc 1/((2**224-1)/[bc,diff]*$1*1000/2**256)]]".
  5 2010-12-03 00:00:42 <lfm> nelisky, take time since last difficulty change from timestamps on blocks, divide by number of blocks -> average time per block
  6 2010-12-03 00:01:29 <nelisky> lfm: yeah, that part I get, looking at previous data
  7 2010-12-03 00:01:35 <nelisky> nanotube: perfect, thanks!
  8 2010-12-03 00:02:12 <andrew12> mac|what's gribble written in?
  9 2010-12-03 00:02:35 <lfm> gribble script -> scribble?
 10 2010-12-03 00:02:42 <andrew12> mac|haha
 11 2010-12-03 00:08:55 <lfm> sometimes hard to understand but more than half of the generated bitcoins have never been transfered since they were generated
 12 2010-12-03 00:21:46 <sgornick> lfm: Was wondering what amount those would be.  So will those wallet.dat's be the "Uncirculated, Mint Condition" collector items worth several ounces of gold a couple decades from now?
 13 2010-12-03 00:23:45 <Diablo-D3> I suspect half of those coins are gone forever
 14 2010-12-03 00:23:59 <Diablo-D3> we're going to have to figure out to recover those
 15 2010-12-03 00:25:35 <[Noodles]> how'd you tell, if coins are gone, or just sitting in a vault as an investment?
 16 2010-12-03 00:27:51 <andrew12> mac|because usually when you write 0s over all your coins, you lose them
 17 2010-12-03 00:28:06 <andrew12> mac|:D
 18 2010-12-03 00:28:34 <Diablo-D3> [Noodles]: well, most of the coins HAVE been transfered
 19 2010-12-03 00:28:45 <Diablo-D3> the rest are from people who regularly interact with the community
 20 2010-12-03 00:28:55 <[Noodles]> say who?
 21 2010-12-03 00:28:59 <Diablo-D3> so we'll just say "if you have coins generated on these dates, please contact us"
 22 2010-12-03 00:28:59 <[Noodles]> says
 23 2010-12-03 00:29:06 <[Noodles]> lol
 24 2010-12-03 00:29:16 <Diablo-D3> [Noodles]: if they dont, then the coins really are lost
 25 2010-12-03 00:29:22 <andrew12> mac|foreverrrrrrrrrr
 26 2010-12-03 00:29:27 <[Noodles]> so i always have to check your news to be sure my coins havent been erased yet?
 27 2010-12-03 00:29:52 <Diablo-D3> the changelogs of software you use? yes you should.
 28 2010-12-03 00:30:44 <[Noodles]> and i thought my bitcoins are safe as long as my walletfile is, not just to the next release
 29 2010-12-03 00:32:09 <[Noodles]> you cant tell, if i put my wallet in a vault right after generating my first 50coins, what if?
 30 2010-12-03 00:32:22 <Diablo-D3> um
 31 2010-12-03 00:32:31 <Diablo-D3> a "vault" would be burning it onto a disc
 32 2010-12-03 00:32:45 <[Noodles]> thumbdrives are affordable these days
 33 2010-12-03 00:33:18 <[Noodles]> why do i keep backups, if you can just erase my coins anyway?
 34 2010-12-03 00:34:08 <[Noodles]> i doubt there's a way to handle that, we have to live with those "lost coins"
 35 2010-12-03 00:35:45 <noagendamarket> it makes the leftover coins more valuable
 36 2010-12-03 00:36:00 <noagendamarket> wouldnt be good if one day someone recovered all the lost ones
 37 2010-12-03 00:36:17 <noagendamarket> they would be instant bitcoinmillionaires
 38 2010-12-03 00:36:27 <[Noodles]> well, you dont know how many are lost or left, so...
 39 2010-12-03 00:36:41 <Diablo-D3> depends how many are lost
 40 2010-12-03 00:36:50 <Diablo-D3> if its less than 10%, who cares
 41 2010-12-03 00:37:00 <Diablo-D3> noagendamarket: and no they wouldnt
 42 2010-12-03 00:37:04 <Diablo-D3> the coins dont magically change value
 43 2010-12-03 00:37:31 <xelister> ye it would
 44 2010-12-03 00:37:36 <xelister> it lowers supply with same demand
 45 2010-12-03 00:37:43 <Diablo-D3> no I mean
 46 2010-12-03 00:37:48 <Diablo-D3> it wouldnt make them MILLIONARES
 47 2010-12-03 00:37:58 <Diablo-D3> the coins arent worth that much
 48 2010-12-03 00:38:05 <Diablo-D3> the coins would already have to be worth like $50 a pop
 49 2010-12-03 00:38:08 <xelister> right
 50 2010-12-03 00:38:55 <noagendamarket> I didnt say if it happened right now
 51 2010-12-03 00:39:47 <noagendamarket> its not really a concern
 52 2010-12-03 00:40:06 <Diablo-D3> I already said its not
 53 2010-12-03 00:40:09 <Diablo-D3> not enough have been lost
 54 2010-12-03 00:40:26 <[Noodles]> think about it, maybe someones creating a new wallet for each block generated, he has a bunch of 50coin-wallets that he might want to sell for a few thousand bucks in a year or 2 ^.^
 55 2010-12-03 00:40:27 <noagendamarket> over 9000 have been lost
 56 2010-12-03 00:40:42 <nelisky> mtgox: I got charge $2.99 to withdraw LRUSD, on top of the 1%?
 57 2010-12-03 00:40:51 <[Noodles]> those coins have never been transfered
 58 2010-12-03 00:41:10 <Diablo-D3> noagendamarket: out of 24 million or whatever its supposed to be, thats less than a percent.
 59 2010-12-03 00:41:20 <Diablo-D3> [Noodles]: yes, and you have to find ones that never have
 60 2010-12-03 00:41:30 <[Noodles]> and then what?
 61 2010-12-03 00:41:53 <Diablo-D3> and then .... nothing.
 62 2010-12-03 00:41:59 <Diablo-D3> like I said, not enough have been lost
 63 2010-12-03 00:45:36 <lfm> number of unspent generated transactions: 50327so it IS millions of BTC (2516350)
 64 2010-12-03 00:45:54 <Diablo-D3> lfm: unspent doesnt mean lost
 65 2010-12-03 00:46:07 <lfm> yes
 66 2010-12-03 00:46:26 <lfm> these have never been transacted ever
 67 2010-12-03 00:46:58 <lfm> could be hoarders or lost
 68 2010-12-03 00:47:04 <Diablo-D3> hoarders
 69 2010-12-03 00:48:00 <lfm> it is more than half of all bitcoins
 70 2010-12-03 00:48:14 <Diablo-D3> dude, half of all bitcoins art owns
 71 2010-12-03 00:48:37 <lfm> well he isnt moving them around if it is him
 72 2010-12-03 00:49:02 <lfm> 50327 / 95190
 73 2010-12-03 00:49:37 <Diablo-D3> fine
 74 2010-12-03 00:49:40 <Diablo-D3> bitcoin is a failure
 75 2010-12-03 00:50:10 <lfm> just if it is hoarders, what are they waiting for are they gonna fload the market and sell at some point?
 76 2010-12-03 00:50:21 <lfm> flood
 77 2010-12-03 00:52:13 <Diablo-D3> heh
 78 2010-12-03 00:52:15 <Diablo-D3> who knows
 79 2010-12-03 00:52:34 <lfm> just makes me nervous is all
 80 2010-12-03 00:52:54 <noagendamarket> satoshi himself probably owns a few
 81 2010-12-03 00:53:06 <noagendamarket> i doubt he would flood the market
 82 2010-12-03 00:53:20 <noagendamarket> nor would art or knightmb
 83 2010-12-03 00:53:33 <noagendamarket> its against their own best interest
 84 2010-12-03 00:55:17 <lfm> maybe you know them better than me. I havn't seen any reassurance from them on the subject
 85 2010-12-03 00:55:52 <lfm> I think art has been selling a lot of them all along, to subsidize his hardware addiction
 86 2010-12-03 01:00:47 <lfm> as for "recovering" some that may be lost, Id be against it. I say just let them be lost, better to leave them be than accidently taking them away from some quiet hoarder.
 87 2010-12-03 01:00:59 <mizery> Anyone here have any bitcoin-related websites that they would consider advertising on other sites?
 88 2010-12-03 01:01:32 <andrew12> mac|yay for installing berkeley db on my desktop
 89 2010-12-03 01:02:01 <lfm> mac desktop?
 90 2010-12-03 01:02:06 <andrew12> mac|no
 91 2010-12-03 01:02:09 <andrew12> mac|linux
 92 2010-12-03 01:02:21 <andrew12> mac|i can't get it to compile on my mac
 93 2010-12-03 01:02:30 <lfm> oh, never known anyone to have trouble with that
 94 2010-12-03 01:02:45 <lfm> mac yes, linux no
 95 2010-12-03 01:03:52 <andrew12> mac|wait, you've heard people to have trouble with it on linux? or mac? lol
 96 2010-12-03 01:04:01 <lfm> yes
 97 2010-12-03 01:04:05 <lfm> lol
 98 2010-12-03 01:04:18 <Kiba`> finally got a drawing out tonight
 99 2010-12-03 01:04:20 <andrew12> mac|both?
100 2010-12-03 01:04:44 <lfm> no trouble in linux. not really heard much from mac people
101 2010-12-03 01:06:08 <lfm> kiba, you get paid for it?
102 2010-12-03 01:07:09 <Kiba`> I just uploaded it!
103 2010-12-03 01:07:41 <Kiba`> http://www.bitcoinservice.co.uk/files/14
104 2010-12-03 01:09:19 <lfm> kiba might help if you put a description and/or a thumbnail on the page asking for payment
105 2010-12-03 01:09:47 <andrew12> mac|yeah
106 2010-12-03 01:11:37 <lfm> hehe
107 2010-12-03 01:12:36 <lfm> so like $0.025 really not worth that much?
108 2010-12-03 01:12:59 <Kiba`> lfm: blame bencoder
109 2010-12-03 01:13:11 <Kiba`> delta9: so you think my art is crap?
110 2010-12-03 01:15:02 <delta9> ive seen better
111 2010-12-03 01:15:32 <lfm> well theres a fair distance between the old masters and crap generally
112 2010-12-03 01:16:37 <andrew12> mac|I would look at your picture if I had any bitcoins.
113 2010-12-03 01:18:18 <delta9> get some...
114 2010-12-03 01:19:41 <doublec> andrew12|mac, post an address and I'll send you enough bitcoins to view Kiba's pic
115 2010-12-03 01:20:01 <andrew12> nah, on this PC i don't have all of the chunks, and right now i'm running linux on my desktop (rather than windows, where my main bitcoin install is)
116 2010-12-03 01:20:16 <andrew12> s/chunks/blocks/ .. i've been playing minecraft too much
117 2010-12-03 01:24:14 <Foggymyst> Who runs the BitCoin Roulette?
118 2010-12-03 01:24:17 <Foggymyst> Cashcow?
119 2010-12-03 01:28:58 <doublec> joe_1
120 2010-12-03 01:29:15 <doublec> he comes into the channel occasionally
121 2010-12-03 01:40:31 <Kiba`> Bruce Wagner had to explained how bitcoins work....
122 2010-12-03 01:40:59 <andrew12> had to explained?
123 2010-12-03 01:41:08 <andrew12> :D
124 2010-12-03 01:48:43 <Foggymyst> Well, thanks Joe_1.  I doubled my bitcoin.
125 2010-12-03 01:51:17 <theymos> ;;bc,estimate
126 2010-12-03 01:51:18 <gribble> 10344.20063632
127 2010-12-03 01:51:19 <theymos> WTF happened to the difficulty estimate!? It went up by like 2000.
128 2010-12-03 01:52:14 <Foggymyst> Curious.
129 2010-12-03 01:53:21 <brocktice> someone is bringing 5970s online
130 2010-12-03 01:53:23 <brocktice> must be
131 2010-12-03 01:53:27 <brocktice> or similar
132 2010-12-03 01:53:39 <andrew12> well, it's compiling.
133 2010-12-03 01:53:44 <andrew12> on my desktop, that is
134 2010-12-03 01:53:56 <andrew12> wait, i lied. wxgtk is.
135 2010-12-03 01:53:56 <Foggymyst> So difficulty is driven by rate of generation?
136 2010-12-03 01:54:05 <theymos> Foggymyst: Yes.
137 2010-12-03 01:55:25 <theymos> Looks like I'll lose my bet with Lyspooner. :( I'll win on BitcoinSportsBook, though. ;)
138 2010-12-03 01:56:49 <nelisky> theymos: nice hedging
139 2010-12-03 01:56:53 <nelisky> :)
140 2010-12-03 01:58:31 <nanotube> theymos: hehe yea, i mentioned about your bet the other day when i saw estimate going up :)
141 2010-12-03 01:58:37 <nanotube> andrew12: gribble is python. see ,,version
142 2010-12-03 01:58:38 <gribble> The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.4.1+gribble (2010-10-10T17:52:04-0400).  The newest version available in the gribble git repository is 0.83.4.1+gribble (2010-12-01T16:53:08-0500).
143 2010-12-03 01:59:30 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: art must have got his shipment
144 2010-12-03 01:59:45 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: he said earlier today he only had a couple more online
145 2010-12-03 01:59:50 <brocktice> and the it wasn't him boosting it so much
146 2010-12-03 01:59:54 <Diablo-D3> heh
147 2010-12-03 02:00:06 <brocktice> Also he downclocked his, I think he's running out of juice
148 2010-12-03 02:00:17 <Diablo-D3> holy shit
149 2010-12-03 02:00:22 <Diablo-D3> team fortress 2 beta
150 2010-12-03 02:00:24 <brocktice> figured out he gets more hashes/watt that way
151 2010-12-03 02:00:42 <Foggymyst> So Art is making a 5970 farm?
152 2010-12-03 02:01:05 <Diablo-D3> making?
153 2010-12-03 02:01:08 <Diablo-D3> dude
154 2010-12-03 02:01:09 <Diablo-D3> HE HAS ONE
155 2010-12-03 02:01:12 <Diablo-D3> its huge
156 2010-12-03 02:01:18 <Foggymyst> I dont know much about it, fill me in.
157 2010-12-03 02:01:29 <mizery> it's like ants, but with graphics cards
158 2010-12-03 02:02:12 <Foggymyst> Is there a thread about his farm?
159 2010-12-03 02:02:52 <Foggymyst> I just wanted to know a little more about it.
160 2010-12-03 02:03:17 <btcex> why nvidia cards are too slow for mining?
161 2010-12-03 02:04:16 <Diablo-D3> btcex: they're not SLOW slow
162 2010-12-03 02:04:23 <Diablo-D3> btcex: they're like radeon 4xxx
163 2010-12-03 02:04:28 <brocktice> Foggymyst: He is currently doing around 16 ghash/s
164 2010-12-03 02:04:40 <Diablo-D3> well, a tad slower than 4xxx
165 2010-12-03 02:04:51 <Diablo-D3> btcex: the big thing is 5xxx has hardware shifting instructions
166 2010-12-03 02:04:57 <btcex> Diablo-D3: approx. 8 times slow what equal ATI cards?
167 2010-12-03 02:05:04 <btcex> equal by cost
168 2010-12-03 02:05:05 <brocktice> nvidia cards are much faster than CPUs for example
169 2010-12-03 02:05:07 <Diablo-D3> you're measuring it somewhat wrong
170 2010-12-03 02:05:14 <Diablo-D3> you measure in watts not cost
171 2010-12-03 02:05:20 <Diablo-D3> nvidia uselessly overprices their cards
172 2010-12-03 02:05:27 <Diablo-D3> but you cant lie about watts
173 2010-12-03 02:05:36 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: I heard some complaints today about ATI's opencl compilers/drivers.
174 2010-12-03 02:05:46 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: something about silent corruption and crashes
175 2010-12-03 02:05:47 <Diablo-D3> btcex: 8000 through gtx 500 are all the same arch
176 2010-12-03 02:05:57 <btcex> brocktice: and about linux supporting )
177 2010-12-03 02:05:59 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: this is why you turn crossfire off
178 2010-12-03 02:06:18 <Diablo-D3> btcex: gtx 400 is about as efficient as a radeon 4xxx, or about 5x slower than radeon 5xxxes
179 2010-12-03 02:06:21 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: that and mining doesn't work right with it on
180 2010-12-03 02:06:22 <Diablo-D3> btcex: per watt
181 2010-12-03 02:06:23 <theymos> Foggymyst: <ArtForz> boxes are 4*5970, 4*5970, 2*5970+2*5770, 5970+5770, 5970+6870
182 2010-12-03 02:06:31 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: opencl shits itself on crossfire period
183 2010-12-03 02:06:31 <theymos> http://bayimg.com/PaAflaADC http://bayimg.com/KAAeaaAdp
184 2010-12-03 02:07:10 <brocktice> here's my dedicated miner: http://www.flickr.com/photos/brocktice/5195604987/
185 2010-12-03 02:07:16 <brocktice> my workstation is also running two 5770s
186 2010-12-03 02:07:27 <brocktice> miner is 75% paid off today
187 2010-12-03 02:07:53 <andrew12> oh it's supybot
188 2010-12-03 02:08:09 <btcex> Diablo-D3: watt? why care about watts?
189 2010-12-03 02:08:13 <brocktice> ;;seen ArtForz
190 2010-12-03 02:08:14 <gribble> ArtForz was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 3 hours, 39 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <ArtForz> yes, but 2/4 sounds a bit... high
191 2010-12-03 02:08:21 <btcex> $$ cost are important
192 2010-12-03 02:08:31 <brocktice> btcex: long term cost of power is more important
193 2010-12-03 02:08:46 <brocktice> brb
194 2010-12-03 02:08:57 <btcex> brocktice: sure? what your electricity prices?
195 2010-12-03 02:09:00 <Foggymyst> My miner: http://yfrog.com/nd15479515272601344501023j
196 2010-12-03 02:09:07 <Foggymyst> You think it would be good
197 2010-12-03 02:09:17 <Foggymyst> Its 166Ghz....of CPU.
198 2010-12-03 02:09:38 <theymos> Bruce is just making stuff up in his interview... he said that Satoshi is famous and from Tokyo.
199 2010-12-03 02:09:57 <noagendamarket> haha
200 2010-12-03 02:10:11 <noagendamarket> thats promotions for you
201 2010-12-03 02:10:34 <brocktice> btcex: $0.09/kW-h
202 2010-12-03 02:10:44 <btcex> my prices is 0.0096 $ per kW*h
203 2010-12-03 02:10:50 <brocktice> wow
204 2010-12-03 02:10:57 <brocktice> Bruce plays it a little fast and loose with the facts
205 2010-12-03 02:11:05 <Diablo-D3> btcex: because watts are consistent
206 2010-12-03 02:11:06 <brocktice> but he sure has a lot of enthusiasm
207 2010-12-03 02:11:38 <andrew12> gribble is cool
208 2010-12-03 02:11:44 <Diablo-D3> btcex: nvidia overprices cards
209 2010-12-03 02:11:50 <Diablo-D3> btcex: because they think people will pay for it
210 2010-12-03 02:11:52 <btcex> so I do not care about watts
211 2010-12-03 02:12:09 <brocktice> That and it determines how many you can fit on a PSU.
212 2010-12-03 02:12:09 <btcex> Diablo-D3: yes, because they support linuxes
213 2010-12-03 02:12:24 <Diablo-D3> btcex: AMD pays millions of dollars a year to support actual real open source "linuxes"
214 2010-12-03 02:12:25 <btcex> ATI has buggy scrap drivers
215 2010-12-03 02:12:31 <Diablo-D3> btcex: nvidia already admitted they dont give a fuck about linux
216 2010-12-03 02:12:39 <Diablo-D3> and they even threatened to sue the guys who write novaeu
217 2010-12-03 02:13:18 <btcex> Diablo-D3: hm... In 2006 I has PC with nvidia card. I  sell my ATI card because it won't work on linux
218 2010-12-03 02:13:26 <brocktice> btcex: I have been there
219 2010-12-03 02:13:27 <btcex> nvidia works fine
220 2010-12-03 02:13:29 <Diablo-D3> thats before AMD bought them
221 2010-12-03 02:13:31 <brocktice> btcex: they are catching up
222 2010-12-03 02:14:07 <Diablo-D3> btcex: the original ATI fglrx was thrown out
223 2010-12-03 02:14:15 <Diablo-D3> the new one, now called catalyst, backported the windows code
224 2010-12-03 02:14:21 <btcex> Now linuxuids buying ati/amd?
225 2010-12-03 02:14:22 <Diablo-D3> so anyone who says LOL ATI SUCKS is a fucking idiot.
226 2010-12-03 02:14:26 <Diablo-D3> btcex: yes.
227 2010-12-03 02:14:35 <Diablo-D3> nvidia already admitted they dont care about linux
228 2010-12-03 02:14:37 <Diablo-D3> so fuck them
229 2010-12-03 02:14:45 <Diablo-D3> and they're going to be filing for bankruptcy soon anyhow
230 2010-12-03 02:14:47 <btcex> Diablo-D3: ok, thans for info
231 2010-12-03 02:14:54 <brocktice> I was pleasantly surprised by how well ATI works in Linux now.
232 2010-12-03 02:15:00 <Diablo-D3> btcex: I dont see nvidia releasing entire specification and programming documents for the public
233 2010-12-03 02:16:02 <btcex> I remember that ATI has opened specs due to the fact that their drivers are complete shit.
234 2010-12-03 02:16:19 <Diablo-D3> btcex: I dont see nvidia paying X and mesa developers to code an entire new framework to use modern gpus with
235 2010-12-03 02:16:21 <Diablo-D3> and no
236 2010-12-03 02:16:24 <Diablo-D3> those so called "drivers"
237 2010-12-03 02:16:31 <Diablo-D3> were written by the orders of upper management
238 2010-12-03 02:16:36 <btcex> But I think that the community will never write such a complicated thing as a 3d video driver
239 2010-12-03 02:16:37 <Diablo-D3> they were all fired when AMD bought ATI
240 2010-12-03 02:16:42 <Diablo-D3> never?
241 2010-12-03 02:16:44 <Diablo-D3> lololol
242 2010-12-03 02:16:46 <Diablo-D3> its already being done
243 2010-12-03 02:16:51 <brocktice> Didn't they... yeah
244 2010-12-03 02:16:58 <Diablo-D3> mesa also already has the beginning of a prototype opencl compiler
245 2010-12-03 02:17:06 <brocktice> argh, bitcoins are not encrypted
246 2010-12-03 02:17:18 <btcex> Diablo-D3: I thought that*
247 2010-12-03 02:17:31 <brocktice> It's a herculean undertaking of him to try to explain this on a radio show though
248 2010-12-03 02:17:43 <Diablo-D3> btcex: first of all, before gallium, we already HAD 3d drivers
249 2010-12-03 02:17:57 <Diablo-D3> ones that were open source
250 2010-12-03 02:18:08 <Diablo-D3> Ive sued them, they kind of sucked on modern hardware because the system wasnt designed for it
251 2010-12-03 02:18:12 <Diablo-D3> gallium IS designed for it
252 2010-12-03 02:18:20 <Diablo-D3> and ati and intel are both paying for it
253 2010-12-03 02:18:24 <Diablo-D3> s/ati/amd/
254 2010-12-03 02:18:35 <btcex> Then I will not worry and just go buy a amd powered pc!
255 2010-12-03 02:19:05 <brocktice> btcex: I finally got 4 monitors driven with compiz thanks to an ATI card
256 2010-12-03 02:19:15 <brocktice> I had two nvidia cards and it was a big problem.
257 2010-12-03 02:19:25 <Diablo-D3> btcex: oh, and as a side note
258 2010-12-03 02:19:32 <Diablo-D3> btcex: nvidia's opencl impl is not compliant with the spec
259 2010-12-03 02:19:33 <brocktice> I had the same reaction as you when I started talking with Diablo-D3 in here
260 2010-12-03 02:19:37 <Diablo-D3> it doesnt work with my miner.
261 2010-12-03 02:19:45 <Diablo-D3> and its not a bug in my miner
262 2010-12-03 02:19:47 <brocktice> it works with m0's
263 2010-12-03 02:19:49 <nanotube> brocktice: did bruce post an mp3 of his radio interview? :)
264 2010-12-03 02:19:53 <Diablo-D3> m0's doesnt do what I do
265 2010-12-03 02:19:57 <btcex> So much information - I do not have time for all to follow. Technological Singularity somewhere nearby, I think
266 2010-12-03 02:19:59 <brocktice> nanotube: yeah
267 2010-12-03 02:20:01 <theymos> Interview: "Just take a breath, Bruce, It'll be OK" LOL
268 2010-12-03 02:20:20 <brocktice> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1945.msg26326#msg26326
269 2010-12-03 02:20:31 <brocktice> theymos: the interviewer is actually pretty good
270 2010-12-03 02:20:44 <brocktice> he keeps redirecting Bruce in a useful and skillful way
271 2010-12-03 02:20:45 <nanotube> brocktice: thanks for the linky... heh. how long's the file?
272 2010-12-03 02:20:56 <theymos> An hour.
273 2010-12-03 02:21:07 <brocktice> theymos: I think you're just ahead of me
274 2010-12-03 02:21:20 <nanotube> theymos: maybe i should wait for a transcript hehe
275 2010-12-03 02:22:36 <brocktice> he got pretty lucky
276 2010-12-03 02:22:40 <brocktice> 50 bitcoins in two weeks
277 2010-12-03 02:22:57 <brocktice> Although I don't know when he started.
278 2010-12-03 02:23:01 <brocktice> ruples?
279 2010-12-03 02:23:07 <brocktice> Isn't it rubles?
280 2010-12-03 02:23:16 <brocktice> could be an accident I guess
281 2010-12-03 02:23:24 <brocktice> b/p are very similar
282 2010-12-03 02:24:30 <Diablo-D3> btcex: I think the technological singularity already passed
283 2010-12-03 02:24:40 <Diablo-D3> it wasnt nearly as awesome as the books said it would be
284 2010-12-03 02:24:56 <Kiba`> why would it already passed?
285 2010-12-03 02:25:00 <Kiba`> we still don't have AI yet
286 2010-12-03 02:25:10 <Kiba`> well human level AI
287 2010-12-03 02:25:42 <Diablo-D3> like I said
288 2010-12-03 02:25:46 <Diablo-D3> wasnt as good as the books
289 2010-12-03 02:28:27 <Kiba`> dundundundun
290 2010-12-03 02:28:49 <btcex> I want to see bitcoinme.com statistics
291 2010-12-03 02:29:47 <Kiba`> look like the price actually rose
292 2010-12-03 02:29:49 <btcex> in connection with the radio show
293 2010-12-03 02:29:50 <Kiba`> could be a coincidence
294 2010-12-03 02:30:47 <theymos> The interviewer is good. It's hard to make sense of what Bruce is saying, but he manages pretty well.
295 2010-12-03 02:31:43 <Kiba`> well anybody who try to explain what the heck bitcoin is will have a hard time
296 2010-12-03 02:32:01 <Foggymyst> Anyone have the address of a good pooled mining group?
297 2010-12-03 02:32:26 <theymos> "Dozens of world-renowed cryptography experts..." I guess he counts all of us as "cryptography experts" ;)
298 2010-12-03 02:32:32 <Kiba`> 69.164.214.82
299 2010-12-03 02:32:35 <[Noodles]> is there more than one group? http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/bitcoin-pool/
300 2010-12-03 02:32:41 <Kiba`> it's the only one we know
301 2010-12-03 02:32:47 <kermit> theymos: we are?  cool, i'll add that to my resume.
302 2010-12-03 02:32:50 <Kiba`> theymos: LOL.
303 2010-12-03 02:32:57 <Foggymyst> Ah, roger.
304 2010-12-03 02:33:32 <Kiba`> I think Bruce Wagner exaggerates some thing
305 2010-12-03 02:33:41 <Kiba`> he also say that Satoshi is from Tokyo, Japan.
306 2010-12-03 02:34:03 <nanotube> yea, based on what i'm hearing in this channel, maybe theymos would have done a better job. :)
307 2010-12-03 02:34:17 <[Noodles]> Kiba: go proove him wrong ^.^
308 2010-12-03 02:34:20 <gribble> No fancy GPU, and don't want to wait for months for a block gen? Join the mining pool! http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/bitcoin-pool/
309 2010-12-03 02:34:20 <nanotube> [Noodles]: btw, there's a ,,pool factoid. for your future reference. :)
310 2010-12-03 02:34:35 <doublec> now that there are different 'how to calculate payment' options in the pooled miner it'll be interesting to see if other pools pop up and compete on it
311 2010-12-03 02:34:38 <Foggymyst> You the owner Gribble?
312 2010-12-03 02:34:52 <Kiba`> Gribble is a bot, Foggymyst
313 2010-12-03 02:34:57 <Foggymyst> Dog.
314 2010-12-03 02:35:00 <Foggymyst> Er, doh.
315 2010-12-03 02:35:01 <Foggymyst> =)
316 2010-12-03 02:35:01 <Kiba`> he doesn't own anything. He's the slave of a certain somebody.
317 2010-12-03 02:35:04 <Foggymyst> I should have known that.
318 2010-12-03 02:35:22 <nanotube> heh
319 2010-12-03 02:35:36 <nanotube> actually doublec is the pool organizer.
320 2010-12-03 02:35:41 <Foggymyst> Ah
321 2010-12-03 02:35:55 <doublec> puddinpop's newest code breaks compatibility so when I switch over at some point the existing miners will need to update
322 2010-12-03 02:36:00 <doublec> I'll be holding off for a while on that though
323 2010-12-03 02:36:05 <Foggymyst> Whats the new code have?
324 2010-12-03 02:36:09 <theymos> doublec: Are you switching to the other distribution method?
325 2010-12-03 02:36:13 <appamatto> doublec, how goes the pooling?
326 2010-12-03 02:36:16 <doublec> theymos, I haven't decided
327 2010-12-03 02:36:26 <nanotube> what is the new distribution method?
328 2010-12-03 02:36:31 <doublec> appamatto, 85 connected licents, about 64000 khash/s
329 2010-12-03 02:36:36 <Kiba`> doublec: you didn't gitify it :*(
330 2010-12-03 02:36:37 <doublec> s/licents/clients
331 2010-12-03 02:36:43 <theymos> The current method is more beneficial for me, but the other method is certainly better for casual users.
332 2010-12-03 02:36:44 <appamatto> haha
333 2010-12-03 02:36:47 <Foggymyst> Does the new code allow me to run more than 1 thread per instance?
334 2010-12-03 02:36:50 <doublec> Kiba`, yeah I'll do something on the weekend
335 2010-12-03 02:36:51 <Kiba`> GITIFY!
336 2010-12-03 02:36:52 <appamatto> so together you are one of ArtForz's machines
337 2010-12-03 02:37:01 <theymos> appamatto: Not even close.
338 2010-12-03 02:37:13 <doublec> we're about equivalent to a bad nvidia card
339 2010-12-03 02:37:16 <Kiba`> Why should ArtFOrz contribute?
340 2010-12-03 02:37:31 <appamatto> hey, you're better than my good nvidia card
341 2010-12-03 02:37:31 <Foggymyst> doublec: I think I am contributing a little more than half of the pools power.... let me know when you make the switch
342 2010-12-03 02:37:38 <Foggymyst> doublec: I wont be around this weekend.
343 2010-12-03 02:37:43 <theymos> Kiba`: He shouldn't. He would be earning slightly less.
344 2010-12-03 02:37:47 <doublec> Foggymyst, are you the 24 core person?
345 2010-12-03 02:37:51 <Foggymyst> Yah
346 2010-12-03 02:37:54 <doublec> nice!
347 2010-12-03 02:37:54 <Foggymyst> I got two 24 core machines
348 2010-12-03 02:37:58 <appamatto> Is this compatible with GPU generation?
349 2010-12-03 02:38:00 <Kiba`> wowzer
350 2010-12-03 02:38:07 <doublec> I'll probably switch after the weekend sometime
351 2010-12-03 02:38:09 <Foggymyst> But I have to open 24 command line windows on each machine.
352 2010-12-03 02:38:23 <andrew12> http://fxnet.co.cc/ looks interesting
353 2010-12-03 02:38:27 <doublec> appamatto, currently there are no GPU compatible remote miners
354 2010-12-03 02:38:28 <Foggymyst> Since remoteminer is single threaded.
355 2010-12-03 02:38:37 <doublec> appamatto, but I'd like to get one done
356 2010-12-03 02:38:40 <Kiba`> it need to be multithreaded!
357 2010-12-03 02:38:58 <appamatto> doublec, does the pool do anything other than lower variance?
358 2010-12-03 02:39:16 <doublec> appamatto, no, that's all it does
359 2010-12-03 02:39:16 <Kiba`> lower variance?
360 2010-12-03 02:39:34 <doublec> appamatto, it allows smaller cpu's to get smaller amounts of coins sooner
361 2010-12-03 02:40:04 <doublec> so it'd be nice to get at least one gpu to join to up the rate that the cpu's get something
362 2010-12-03 02:40:35 <Foggymyst> Yah, theres a lot of work that needs to be done. =)
363 2010-12-03 02:40:46 <Foggymyst> I am pretty blown away at how well GPUs doing integer math.
364 2010-12-03 02:40:47 <doublec> it'd be much nicer to get .2 coins every 6 hours than 50 coins every 2 months
365 2010-12-03 02:41:04 <Foggymyst> I had heard about it...but didn't actually see the difference.
366 2010-12-03 02:41:35 <Foggymyst> doublec: When was the last block decrypted?
367 2010-12-03 02:41:39 <Foggymyst> Or whatever the term is. ;)
368 2010-12-03 02:41:39 <Kiba`> wee! Thanks for the bacon
369 2010-12-03 02:42:03 <Kiba`> 3 people download my file. Now, I already made .27 cents
370 2010-12-03 02:42:21 <doublec> Foggymyst, we haven't had one yet. Now that you're part of the pool we should average 6 days or so
371 2010-12-03 02:42:30 <Foggymyst> Cool!
372 2010-12-03 02:42:37 <Foggymyst> I got super, super lucky the other day.
373 2010-12-03 02:42:38 <doublec> the pools only be running a few days
374 2010-12-03 02:42:58 <Foggymyst> I heard about bitcoin, a few hours later had the GPU client going and when I woke up I had 50BTC.
375 2010-12-03 02:43:08 <doublec> nice!
376 2010-12-03 02:43:13 <noagendamarket> thats awesome
377 2010-12-03 02:43:15 <Kiba`> LUCKY LUCKY LUCKY LUCKY
378 2010-12-03 02:43:34 <noagendamarket> now youre hooked ?
379 2010-12-03 02:43:36 <Foggymyst> It felt really rewarding.  Since then, nothing.
380 2010-12-03 02:43:36 <noagendamarket> lol
381 2010-12-03 02:43:37 <Foggymyst> yah
382 2010-12-03 02:43:47 <Foggymyst> I took the 50BTC and played roulette and now have 101.
383 2010-12-03 02:43:52 <Foggymyst> My empire's genesis.
384 2010-12-03 02:43:53 <doublec> haha
385 2010-12-03 02:43:59 <Kiba`> LUCKY LUCKY LUCKY LUCKY
386 2010-12-03 02:44:11 <theymos> doublec: What happens to the sub-0.01 portions when it's time to pay out? Does the pool get it?
387 2010-12-03 02:44:14 <Kiba`> I am earning bitcoins through the hard way
388 2010-12-03 02:44:23 <doublec> theymos, the server gets it
389 2010-12-03 02:44:40 <Foggymyst> I kind of want to work on the bitcoin video.
390 2010-12-03 02:44:51 <btcex> Why do not we call bitcoin a 'digital cash'? Very precise definition, removing many of the issues
391 2010-12-03 02:44:52 <doublec> the pooled server takes a bit more cpu than I expected
392 2010-12-03 02:44:52 <noagendamarket> youre welcome too
393 2010-12-03 02:44:59 <doublec> the vps is averaging about 60% usage
394 2010-12-03 02:45:03 <theymos> It would be cool if the change went to whichever node actually ended up solving the block.
395 2010-12-03 02:45:06 <appamatto> How do you deal with cheating?
396 2010-12-03 02:45:15 <doublec> theymos, can you send sub 0.01 amouints?
397 2010-12-03 02:45:27 <Kiba`> I thought the bitcoin block get distributed?
398 2010-12-03 02:45:52 <doublec> Kiba`, it gets distributed amongst the participants. any roundoff goes to the server.
399 2010-12-03 02:46:04 <Kiba`> roundoff?
400 2010-12-03 02:46:29 <Kiba`> so pudding the guy doing the development?
401 2010-12-03 02:46:55 <doublec> "This means the generated coins will have precision all the way down to the smallest decimal place bitcoin allows.  Because of rounding issues inherit with floating point operations, the server will accrue all left over fractional coins, which almost always be a single digit number at the smallest decimal position."
402 2010-12-03 02:46:56 <theymos> doublec: When you add all of the individual sub-0.01 amounts from all of the addresses, you should get some sendable amount. (And since you're a generator, it's possible for you to exempt sub-0.01 restrictions from just your transactions.)
403 2010-12-03 02:47:03 <doublec> from: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1458.0
404 2010-12-03 02:47:24 <doublec> so it'll actually be 0.00000001
405 2010-12-03 02:47:26 <doublec> or so
406 2010-12-03 02:47:57 <doublec> Kiba`, yes, puddinpop is doing the development
407 2010-12-03 02:48:18 <noagendamarket> how do you monitor that?
408 2010-12-03 02:50:26 <Kiba`> so a 50 bitcoin will get subdivided into nothingness?
409 2010-12-03 02:50:56 <Kiba`> maybe you could distribute earning based on the portion of hashrate you contributed
410 2010-12-03 02:50:56 <noagendamarket> how many .00000001 are in 50btc?
411 2010-12-03 02:51:01 <noagendamarket> lol
412 2010-12-03 02:51:20 <Kiba`> not all miners are created equal
413 2010-12-03 02:51:24 <Kiba`> some are better than others.
414 2010-12-03 02:51:38 <Kiba`> All miners are equal. Some miners are more equal than others.
415 2010-12-03 02:51:40 <doublec> Kiba`, in the latest code drop there are two distribution options
416 2010-12-03 02:51:43 <CyanDynamo> isn't that how it's one
417 2010-12-03 02:51:47 <CyanDynamo> done*
418 2010-12-03 02:51:52 <doublec> Kiba`, one is based on khash value
419 2010-12-03 02:51:59 <doublec> Kiba`, the other is on actual hashes contributed
420 2010-12-03 02:52:25 <doublec> My server is currently using the first option since that's all that was available in that version of the server
421 2010-12-03 02:52:25 <Kiba`> oh.. so it isn't....spilt equally for everyone
422 2010-12-03 02:52:30 <doublec> Kiba`, correcty
423 2010-12-03 02:52:47 <doublec> Kiba`, when you run a miner it periodically tells you what your portion will be if a block is generated
424 2010-12-03 02:53:15 <doublec> eg: Address X will receive 0.774018 BTC if this block is solved
425 2010-12-03 02:53:45 <Kiba`> I never get that information
426 2010-12-03 02:53:49 <Kiba`> perhaps I need to update
427 2010-12-03 02:53:52 <Kiba`> but it's a pain
428 2010-12-03 02:53:54 <Kiba`> I want git.
429 2010-12-03 02:54:22 <doublec> Yeah, that's only shown with the miner update before this most recent one
430 2010-12-03 02:55:14 <doublec> Kiba`, if I do a git now would you test it right now?
431 2010-12-03 02:56:00 <theymos> I wonder if the server is trying to create a block with a ton of outputs, splitting the earned amount immediately. Then you could distribute sub-0.01 amounts easily.
432 2010-12-03 02:56:57 <Kiba`> yes
433 2010-12-03 02:57:46 <doublec> Kiba`, ok give me a few minutes
434 2010-12-03 03:00:14 <btcex> What do you think is ethical to publish the address of exchange user? hi is scammer
435 2010-12-03 03:00:47 <theymos> I say do it if you know for sure he's a scammer.
436 2010-12-03 03:01:01 <Kiba`> blacklist?
437 2010-12-03 03:01:21 <Kiba`> interesting. Blacklist database.
438 2010-12-03 03:01:28 <btcex> https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1070.msg24892#msg24892 (russian)
439 2010-12-03 03:01:42 <Kiba`> though it doesn't actually do anything if generate a new address
440 2010-12-03 03:01:49 <btcex> we need tool for view of graph of the transactions
441 2010-12-03 03:02:05 <btcex> sql db with transactions + viewer
442 2010-12-03 03:02:31 <theymos> I was thinking of creating a feature for BBE that would mark scam addresses and all addresses that recieved coins from that address (over multiple levels). Would that be useful?
443 2010-12-03 03:02:48 <Kiba`> theymos: it would hurt reputable users who recevied from that address
444 2010-12-03 03:03:08 <btcex> theymos: they conduct money for HYIP :) and after 2-3 month his HYIP funds was stolen by one of his traders
445 2010-12-03 03:03:23 <btcex> I thing this story is bullshit
446 2010-12-03 03:03:30 <theymos> Kiba`: That's one of the reasons I haven't implemented it. It's impossible to say for sure that "dirty coins" = "bad person".
447 2010-12-03 03:03:33 <Kiba`> a trading group?
448 2010-12-03 03:04:04 <Kiba`> I heard one of the investing club had to liquidate the money
449 2010-12-03 03:04:16 <Kiba`> had to liquidate their assets
450 2010-12-03 03:04:17 <btcex> theymos: what db you use? if you use postgres i can write query for searching our scammer
451 2010-12-03 03:04:44 <theymos> btcex: I do use postgres.
452 2010-12-03 03:04:52 <doublec> Kiba`, https://github.com/doublec/bitcoin-pool
453 2010-12-03 03:05:31 <Kiba`> thanks
454 2010-12-03 03:05:44 <btcex> theymos: can you give me access to db for reading?
455 2010-12-03 03:06:42 <Kiba`> doublec: it didn't have installation guide
456 2010-12-03 03:07:00 <doublec> Kiba`, just do: cmake .
457 2010-12-03 03:07:06 <doublec> in the root of the github repository
458 2010-12-03 03:07:16 <doublec> I'll write a README and stuff laster
459 2010-12-03 03:07:18 <doublec> later
460 2010-12-03 03:07:18 <Kiba`> gottach
461 2010-12-03 03:07:24 <Kiba`> what's the license?
462 2010-12-03 03:08:00 <theymos> btcex: Hmm... I never intended the database to be accessible over the Internet. I disabled all such features in the configuration file, and possibly at compilation (can't remember). If you really want I'll create a temporary ssh account for you.
463 2010-12-03 03:08:23 <doublec> Kiba`, puddinpop's changes are GPL
464 2010-12-03 03:08:26 <btcex> theymos: ok
465 2010-12-03 03:08:31 <doublec> Kiba`, 2 or later
466 2010-12-03 03:09:09 <btcex> theymos: (My db is accessible from internet, I trust to the database code :))
467 2010-12-03 03:09:29 <Kiba`> it works
468 2010-12-03 03:09:34 <doublec> great!
469 2010-12-03 03:10:36 <btcex> theymos: can you implement graph viewer? I think it's not hard. need a field for entering addresses of interest. search chains involving these addresses and viewer
470 2010-12-03 03:11:02 <btcex> and field for interesting 'radius' of searching.
471 2010-12-03 03:11:11 <theymos> btcex: I might at some point. I'm awfully busy with college now, but I'll soon get about a month off.
472 2010-12-03 03:11:19 <Kiba`> oh yeah, this is good stuff, doublec
473 2010-12-03 03:11:31 <btcex> the postgres supports excellent 'recursive' queries for that
474 2010-12-03 03:12:16 <btcex> theymos: ok, maybe I'll do it faster for domestic use
475 2010-12-03 03:12:59 <btcex> theymos: as you read the contents of the chains to the database?
476 2010-12-03 03:13:05 <btcex> theymos: how you read the contents of the chains to the database?
477 2010-12-03 03:13:15 <theymos> I process getblock output.
478 2010-12-03 03:15:01 <btcex> theymos: how you get updates to db? periodically reread?
479 2010-12-03 03:15:53 <theymos> The pages are fetched from the database on-the-fly. Load is significantly reduced through good if-none-match support.
480 2010-12-03 03:17:20 <btcex> theymos: I am about bitcoind -> db
481 2010-12-03 03:17:59 <btcex> oh, is it not a standard getblock command :(
482 2010-12-03 03:20:02 <theymos> btcex: Blocks are not usually changed. Whenever I update, I do re-check the last 5 blocks since my last update in case some happened to be superseded.
483 2010-12-03 03:25:51 <andrew12> how do other miners work anyways? like, how does the client know when they solve a block?
484 2010-12-03 03:26:39 <theymos> The hash needs to be below the target. Current target: http://blockexplorer.com/q/hextarget
485 2010-12-03 03:27:49 <andrew12> i'm aware. how does a miner tell Bitcoin itself when it solves a block
486 2010-12-03 03:28:30 <theymos> I think it counts the leading zeroes, and Bitcoin checks that it meets the rest of the target.
487 2010-12-03 03:31:19 <Foggymyst> It seems like the only way to build a bitcoin miner is to check out the source for an exsisting miner.  There doesn't appear to be a technical document on how the solving is done.  Am I correct?
488 2010-12-03 03:31:41 <andrew12> you're probably right
489 2010-12-03 03:33:53 <jgarzik> Foggymyst: correct
490 2010-12-03 03:33:59 <Foggymyst> Gargh. ;)
491 2010-12-03 03:34:07 <jgarzik> Foggymyst: my demonstration miner was intended to be small and easy to read for programmers
492 2010-12-03 03:34:14 <Foggymyst> Oh yah?
493 2010-12-03 03:34:17 <Foggymyst> Link?
494 2010-12-03 03:34:22 <andrew12> ^^
495 2010-12-03 03:34:26 <noagendamarket> http://forum.icann.org/lists/5gtld-guide/pdf4SSmb5oOd5.pdf   FFFUUUUU!!!
496 2010-12-03 03:34:36 <jgarzik> Foggymyst: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1925.0;all
497 2010-12-03 03:34:55 <jgarzik> GPL'd
498 2010-12-03 03:35:40 <Foggymyst> Awesome, thank you.
499 2010-12-03 03:36:24 <nanotube> doublec: based on total hashes contributed seems like a better way to distribute...
500 2010-12-03 03:36:46 <doublec> nanotube, yeah sounds like it
501 2010-12-03 03:38:47 <[Noodles]> that's like guaranteed coins, isnt it?
502 2010-12-03 03:39:22 <[Noodles]> you dont know how much, but u'll get some
503 2010-12-03 03:41:31 <andrew12> oh. it calls getwork with a hash
504 2010-12-03 03:41:34 <nanotube> btcex: heh, so bitcointrade.biz went tits up eh? i've been keeping an eye on the thread waiting for it to do so. heh.
505 2010-12-03 03:42:38 <theymos> Mtgox told me that the scammer or someone close to him deposited like 60,000 BTC in MtGox. I can't believe so many people fell for it.
506 2010-12-03 03:44:53 <nanotube> theymos: "the" scammer? there's only one?
507 2010-12-03 03:45:12 <nanotube> or are you talking specifically about the bitcointrade.biz guys?
508 2010-12-03 03:45:46 <theymos> I'm talking about bitcointrade.biz. They either moved everything to MtGox, or they sold it to someone and that person moved it to MtGox.
509 2010-12-03 03:46:04 <nanotube> ah mmm how did mtgox know it was them?
510 2010-12-03 03:46:28 <theymos> Tracked them through BBE. ;) Because of the ambiguity of the situation, I think he decided to just let them sell.
511 2010-12-03 03:46:55 <nanotube> mmmm i c. in mtgox's place, i'd have held the funds pending detailed investigation...
512 2010-12-03 03:47:05 <nanotube> and btw, bbe ftw :D
513 2010-12-03 03:47:50 <theymos> Yeah; I recommended that he hold the funds and post on the forum about it.
514 2010-12-03 03:47:56 <MacRohard> eh. what can you do
515 2010-12-03 03:48:53 <MacRohard> it looks like bitcointrade.biz' operating model calls for them to sell large quantities of borrowed bitcoins in order to try and make money
516 2010-12-03 03:48:59 <andrew12> how much were they selling it for?
517 2010-12-03 03:49:46 <MacRohard> so.. maybe they're just doign what it says they do on their site - i dunno though they may well be scammers.
518 2010-12-03 03:51:30 <nanotube> MacRohard: well according to the forum thread, their money has been absconded with by one of their traders.
519 2010-12-03 03:51:42 <nanotube> so they're no longer doing anything with it, really.
520 2010-12-03 03:51:47 <andrew12> link to thread?
521 2010-12-03 03:51:55 <Kiba`> a large scale scam?
522 2010-12-03 03:51:55 <MacRohard> nanotube, ahh
523 2010-12-03 03:52:12 <andrew12> is this the first ever bitscam?
524 2010-12-03 03:52:24 <Kiba`> no
525 2010-12-03 03:52:35 <Kiba`> somebody scammed mtgox
526 2010-12-03 03:52:39 <Kiba`> it lead to a bank run
527 2010-12-03 03:52:53 <andrew12> :|
528 2010-12-03 03:52:53 <Kiba`> so no moar paypal
529 2010-12-03 03:52:57 <nanotube> andrew12: haha certainly not the first ever. there was a paypal scam wave some months before.
530 2010-12-03 03:53:16 <nanotube> andrew12: https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1070.40 that's the thread.
531 2010-12-03 03:53:19 <noagendamarket> the first scam was a cuda client
532 2010-12-03 03:53:22 <theymos> The transfer in question (actually 90,000 BTC): http://blockexplorer.com/t/2AcJQPERK1
533 2010-12-03 03:53:38 <nanotube> noagendamarket: that wasn't a scam. puddinpop clearly declared the 10% fee.
534 2010-12-03 03:53:52 <noagendamarket> no it wasnt that
535 2010-12-03 03:54:03 <nanotube> theymos: ah i remember the guy asking on the forums about it. complaining about the 1000 usd withdrawal limit...
536 2010-12-03 03:54:10 <nanotube> noagendamarket: oh? something else?
537 2010-12-03 03:54:14 <MacRohard> yea some guy offered to sell a cuda client (without having one) and people just sent him money
538 2010-12-03 03:54:22 <nanotube> ah hehe ic.
539 2010-12-03 03:54:25 <Kiba`> puddingpop?
540 2010-12-03 03:54:25 <noagendamarket> yea what macrohard said
541 2010-12-03 03:54:30 <nanotube> scammers suck
542 2010-12-03 03:54:56 <Kiba`> we're learning a new way of living in this world
543 2010-12-03 03:55:26 <andrew12> yay for google's magic translate
544 2010-12-03 03:59:49 <entel> bitcoin scams, fascinating
545 2010-12-03 04:00:13 <noagendamarket> lol nanotube
546 2010-12-03 04:00:17 <Kiba`> well, people are going to scam and they're going to get away with it
547 2010-12-03 04:00:19 <Kiba`> but people will learn
548 2010-12-03 04:00:35 <Kiba`> at least until new suckers come along
549 2010-12-03 04:00:39 <btcex> <btcex> nanotube: probably
550 2010-12-03 04:00:41 <btcex> <btcex> 95% of internet business*
551 2010-12-03 04:00:48 <nanotube> entel: one thing history has shown with almost perfect regularity, is that scammers are always quick to the party. :)
552 2010-12-03 04:00:58 <entel> heh
553 2010-12-03 04:01:08 <nanotube> btcex: haha yea, good old MMM.
554 2010-12-03 04:01:16 <entel> my first thoughts when i discovered bitcoin
555 2010-12-03 04:01:20 <btcex> nanotube: You know about it?
556 2010-12-03 04:01:58 <theymos> Trying to track down the scammers -- like people are doing with the fake GPU seller -- really works to discourage scams, I think.
557 2010-12-03 04:02:13 <entel> lets catch em all
558 2010-12-03 04:02:21 <andrew12> Gotta catch 'em all!
559 2010-12-03 04:02:31 <entel> is my point
560 2010-12-03 04:02:33 <nanotube> right :)
561 2010-12-03 04:02:41 <entel> in the vein of a popular japanese cartoon
562 2010-12-03 04:02:43 <nanotube> btcex: yes. :)
563 2010-12-03 04:02:50 <andrew12> Bitcoin users are like pokemon
564 2010-12-03 04:02:57 <entel> lol
565 2010-12-03 04:03:11 <entel> alright im done pulluting this intelligent conversation
566 2010-12-03 04:03:12 <Diablo-D3> bzzt
567 2010-12-03 04:03:17 <Diablo-D3> popular japanese GAME
568 2010-12-03 04:03:18 <andrew12> haha
569 2010-12-03 04:03:23 <andrew12> it's a show
570 2010-12-03 04:03:24 <Diablo-D3> everyone always forgets that fucking game came first
571 2010-12-03 04:03:28 <noagendamarket> lmao pokemon
572 2010-12-03 04:03:33 <Diablo-D3> before the show, before the card game
573 2010-12-03 04:03:42 <andrew12> >the card game
574 2010-12-03 04:03:44 <andrew12> >the game
575 2010-12-03 04:03:48 <entel> i should know i had it on gameboy
576 2010-12-03 04:03:50 <Diablo-D3> the game as in the gameboy one
577 2010-12-03 04:03:55 <noagendamarket> rule 34 on pokemon
578 2010-12-03 04:03:56 <Diablo-D3> the fucking shitty ass boring game
579 2010-12-03 04:04:05 <Diablo-D3> noagendamarket: I have seen missingno fucking misty.
580 2010-12-03 04:04:06 <andrew12> noagendamarket: it's been done
581 2010-12-03 04:04:06 <nanotube> haha, no worse than the anime itself. :P
582 2010-12-03 04:04:09 <Diablo-D3> thats pretty much played out.
583 2010-12-03 04:04:09 <entel> its pretty awesome if u were 12/13
584 2010-12-03 04:04:11 <andrew12> Diablo-D3: omg
585 2010-12-03 04:04:12 <Diablo-D3> well
586 2010-12-03 04:04:21 <Diablo-D3> after saying no to pokemon for a whole fucking decade
587 2010-12-03 04:04:23 <Diablo-D3> I finally played one
588 2010-12-03 04:04:37 <btcex> I do supermega search on the chains and concluded the graph but if getblock will be in the official version of the client
589 2010-12-03 04:04:41 <btcex> I can do*
590 2010-12-03 04:04:41 <Diablo-D3> Im glad I pirated it, because it took me all of 2 days to do it
591 2010-12-03 04:04:46 <Diablo-D3> about 12 hours total
592 2010-12-03 04:04:53 <Diablo-D3> why the fuck do people pay money for this shit
593 2010-12-03 04:05:05 <Diablo-D3> it was absolutely fucking boring grind fests
594 2010-12-03 04:05:15 <Diablo-D3> my lvl 99 mudkip was nigh invinsible
595 2010-12-03 04:05:25 <Kiba`> 99.99% of all MMO are grindfest
596 2010-12-03 04:05:33 <andrew12> Diablo-D3: did you hack it and get missingno?
597 2010-12-03 04:05:38 <Diablo-D3> andrew12: wrong one
598 2010-12-03 04:05:38 <Kiba`> what's new
599 2010-12-03 04:05:46 <andrew12> figured
600 2010-12-03 04:05:49 <Diablo-D3> this was the one with team magma and aqua in it
601 2010-12-03 04:05:54 <Diablo-D3> platinum?
602 2010-12-03 04:06:00 <andrew12> i've never actually played the games so i have no idea
603 2010-12-03 04:06:06 <Diablo-D3> all I know is
604 2010-12-03 04:06:09 <Diablo-D3> it didnt have team rocket
605 2010-12-03 04:06:20 <Diablo-D3> which is about the only thing the pokemon franchise had going for it
606 2010-12-03 04:06:59 <Diablo-D3> and a lvl99 mudkip is unstoppable rape
607 2010-12-03 04:07:49 <Diablo-D3> I mean, seriously, I dont get the point of the game
608 2010-12-03 04:07:55 <andrew12> so i herd u liek mudkipz
609 2010-12-03 04:07:55 <Diablo-D3> even for "kids", that makes no sense
610 2010-12-03 04:08:06 <Kiba`> da whole point is to catch them all
611 2010-12-03 04:08:09 <Diablo-D3> I played fucking dragon warrior 1 when I was 8
612 2010-12-03 04:08:15 <Diablo-D3> and beat it
613 2010-12-03 04:08:24 <Diablo-D3> and that was a more enjoyable grindfest than this
614 2010-12-03 04:08:29 <noagendamarket> its all dand d
615 2010-12-03 04:08:36 <andrew12> i still think it's funny that i managed to memorize the pokemon theme song when i never deliberately watched the show
616 2010-12-03 04:08:36 <noagendamarket> with eye candy
617 2010-12-03 04:08:53 <andrew12> okay well
618 2010-12-03 04:08:53 <Diablo-D3> andrew12: but you got to carch them all (pokemon!)
619 2010-12-03 04:09:02 <noagendamarket> *thinks justin bieber is a pokemon
620 2010-12-03 04:09:05 <andrew12> i'm going to watch big bang theory then go to sleep (maybe)
621 2010-12-03 04:09:16 <Diablo-D3> noagendamarket: Im pretty sure there are no lesbian pokemon
622 2010-12-03 04:09:22 <andrew12> noagendamarket: hey, try typing /me thinks justin bieber is a pokemon
623 2010-12-03 04:09:37 <Diablo-D3> actually
624 2010-12-03 04:09:49 <Diablo-D3> I think Ive seen rule 34 of just that
625 2010-12-03 04:09:55 <Diablo-D3> in non-overtly furry form
626 2010-12-03 04:09:59 <andrew12> you would
627 2010-12-03 04:10:15 <Diablo-D3> I once went through an entire rule 34 thread on an old defunct -chan
628 2010-12-03 04:10:21 <Diablo-D3> it was interesting.
629 2010-12-03 04:11:04 <Diablo-D3> theres a picture of bart fucking a futa mrs hill out there.
630 2010-12-03 04:11:20 <andrew12> what has been seen cannot be unseen
631 2010-12-03 04:11:49 <Diablo-D3> its not really that bad.
632 2010-12-03 04:11:51 <noagendamarket> lol
633 2010-12-03 04:12:05 <Diablo-D3> I mean, you've seen one 54 year old woman with a dick, you've seen them all
634 2010-12-03 04:12:09 <noagendamarket> some guy in australia went to jail because of simpsons porn
635 2010-12-03 04:12:14 <andrew12> who wants to send me bitcoins because i'm cool?!
636 2010-12-03 04:12:21 <andrew12> inb4 no one
637 2010-12-03 04:12:25 <nanotube> andrew12: only if you send me back twice as much. :P
638 2010-12-03 04:12:31 <Diablo-D3> noagendamarket: which is insane, bart is in his 20s now
639 2010-12-03 04:12:52 <noagendamarket> yeah incest is still illegal tho lol
640 2010-12-03 04:12:55 <nanotube> andrew12: in fact, let's just cancel them out right now, you can send me 50btc please. :)
641 2010-12-03 04:13:02 <Diablo-D3> noagendamarket: but they're all actors, its not real
642 2010-12-03 04:13:12 <noagendamarket> try telling that to the judge
643 2010-12-03 04:13:19 <andrew12> nanotube: okay. my balance would be -50
644 2010-12-03 04:13:21 <Diablo-D3> I just want to nuke all of australia
645 2010-12-03 04:13:29 <nanotube> andrew12: haha, that's acceptable to me. :P
646 2010-12-03 04:13:34 <Diablo-D3> it would solve quite a few world problems
647 2010-12-03 04:13:52 <Diablo-D3> like, for one, who the fuck puts shrimp on a barbie?
648 2010-12-03 04:13:53 <nanotube> i think there are other places, nuking which would solve even more problems.
649 2010-12-03 04:13:55 <Diablo-D3> thats disgusting
650 2010-12-03 04:14:03 <noagendamarket> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/01/simpsons-powerpuff-girls-porn-nets-jail-time-for-australian.ars
651 2010-12-03 04:14:17 <Diablo-D3> noagendamarket: yes, and Im glad I live in the free world
652 2010-12-03 04:14:23 <Diablo-D3> ZOMG THINK OF THE CHILDREN
653 2010-12-03 04:14:30 <noagendamarket> we still have a fuckin queen
654 2010-12-03 04:14:41 <Diablo-D3> noagendamarket: I thought Freddy Mercury died?
655 2010-12-03 04:14:42 <Diablo-D3> dohohohoho
656 2010-12-03 04:14:44 <andrew12> the children are the ones looking at it
657 2010-12-03 04:14:47 <noagendamarket> lol
658 2010-12-03 04:15:07 <noagendamarket> Im andrew12 and what is this?
659 2010-12-03 04:15:10 <Diablo-D3> man, I am awesome
660 2010-12-03 04:15:12 <noagendamarket> hehe
661 2010-12-03 04:15:25 <andrew12> except i'm not 12
662 2010-12-03 04:15:38 <Diablo-D3> you're not 12 inches either
663 2010-12-03 04:15:51 <andrew12> you would know that
664 2010-12-03 04:16:06 <noagendamarket> haha
665 2010-12-03 04:16:10 <Diablo-D3> Im pretty sure famous porn stars are not interested in bitcoin
666 2010-12-03 04:16:16 <noagendamarket> 12 inches of gpu
667 2010-12-03 04:16:20 <andrew12> Diablo-D3: this is true
668 2010-12-03 04:16:36 <andrew12> noagendamarket: one of my friends has a gpu that's fucking enormous
669 2010-12-03 04:16:41 <nanotube> Diablo-D3: maybe as a means to get paid? :)
670 2010-12-03 04:16:53 <Diablo-D3> now, in honor of freddie mercury, I am now listening to bohemian rhapsody
671 2010-12-03 04:17:00 <noagendamarket> I dont even have a gpu :(
672 2010-12-03 04:17:04 <Diablo-D3> also, you wont beat real commercial shit
673 2010-12-03 04:17:15 <Diablo-D3> there once was a gpu that came on 3 full sized boards
674 2010-12-03 04:17:23 <Diablo-D3> and the geomeotry processor was a DEC Alpha
675 2010-12-03 04:17:32 <Diablo-D3> full sized == at least 12 inches long
676 2010-12-03 04:17:51 <Diablo-D3> you will NOT fit it in most cases
677 2010-12-03 04:17:56 <Diablo-D3> fucking huge fucker
678 2010-12-03 04:17:58 <noagendamarket> what size case do you need for that>
679 2010-12-03 04:18:08 <Diablo-D3> I think the workstations it was for were EATX sized
680 2010-12-03 04:18:16 <noagendamarket> woot casemod
681 2010-12-03 04:18:17 <Diablo-D3> some SGI fuckers I think
682 2010-12-03 04:18:24 <btcex> By the way, it is reall make a card for sha256 cracking
683 2010-12-03 04:18:37 <Diablo-D3> but the framebuffer was on card
684 2010-12-03 04:18:39 <Diablo-D3> the geometry on the other
685 2010-12-03 04:18:50 <Diablo-D3> and a rudiemntary fragment processor of sorts on the third
686 2010-12-03 04:18:57 <btcex> Why CUDA has small kHash/s speed?
687 2010-12-03 04:19:04 <Diablo-D3> btcex: not cuda, its the hardware
688 2010-12-03 04:19:12 <btcex> oops, yes, NVidia
689 2010-12-03 04:19:15 <btcex> why?
690 2010-12-03 04:19:19 <Diablo-D3> cuda and opencl is processed by the same compiler on nvidia shit
691 2010-12-03 04:19:23 <Diablo-D3> and it comes out mostly the same way
692 2010-12-03 04:19:41 <Diablo-D3> although I suspect nvidia is intentially fucking over opencl users as a shit attempt on vendor lockin
693 2010-12-03 04:19:47 <Diablo-D3> you know how you do vendor lockin right?
694 2010-12-03 04:19:55 <Diablo-D3> you make hardware that isnt shit, and you sell it cheaper than the other guy
695 2010-12-03 04:20:17 <Diablo-D3> TADA, everyone is buying your shit and wont consider anyone else
696 2010-12-03 04:20:30 <Diablo-D3> so, clearly, AMD graduated from the Diablo School of Business
697 2010-12-03 04:21:45 <Diablo-D3> btcex: but yes, lets take the most modern version of their arch
698 2010-12-03 04:22:07 <Diablo-D3> and by arch, I define radeon 4xxx, 5xxx, and geforce 8xxx through gtx 5xx as a single arch
699 2010-12-03 04:22:08 <Diablo-D3> er
700 2010-12-03 04:22:14 <Diablo-D3> as THREE single archs, rather
701 2010-12-03 04:22:25 <Diablo-D3> thats how screwed nvidia is
702 2010-12-03 04:22:47 <Diablo-D3> they just keep die shrinking and adding more pipes
703 2010-12-03 04:22:52 <Diablo-D3> they dont actually try to improve the design
704 2010-12-03 04:23:06 <Diablo-D3> sure, it goes faster, but who cares when AMD goes even faster than that with much less effort
705 2010-12-03 04:23:11 <Diablo-D3> but yeah, so
706 2010-12-03 04:23:17 <Diablo-D3> this geforce arch thats out
707 2010-12-03 04:23:22 <Diablo-D3> take gtx 5xx
708 2010-12-03 04:23:36 <Diablo-D3> its about as fast as a radeon 4xxx, per watt.
709 2010-12-03 04:23:47 <Diablo-D3> because it has absolutely totally fucking shit integer performance
710 2010-12-03 04:24:19 <btcex> Diablo-D3: who need integer performance?
711 2010-12-03 04:24:25 <Diablo-D3> BCBot: bitcoin.
712 2010-12-03 04:24:33 <btcex> 3d games do not use it
713 2010-12-03 04:24:33 <Diablo-D3> erm, btcex
714 2010-12-03 04:24:37 <Diablo-D3> bitcoin does.
715 2010-12-03 04:24:45 <Diablo-D3> and no, its a gpgpu processor and sold as such
716 2010-12-03 04:24:51 <btcex> Diablo-D3: what is size of bitcoiners market? :)
717 2010-12-03 04:24:52 <Diablo-D3> its expected to properly run ALL gpgpu applications
718 2010-12-03 04:25:06 <btcex> In my calculations, we have 20-30 GPU miners
719 2010-12-03 04:25:21 <Diablo-D3> btcex: no
720 2010-12-03 04:25:33 <btcex> <Diablo-D3> its expected to properly run ALL gpgpu applications
721 2010-12-03 04:25:36 <Diablo-D3> 5xxx has hardware shift instructions
722 2010-12-03 04:25:42 <btcex> ok, 3000 chips for CIA and FBI
723 2010-12-03 04:25:49 <btcex> it is too smal
724 2010-12-03 04:25:52 <btcex> small
725 2010-12-03 04:26:00 <Diablo-D3> those 10 or whatever 5970s that art has?
726 2010-12-03 04:26:09 <Diablo-D3> thats a significantly large chunk of the output of everybody combined
727 2010-12-03 04:26:22 <Diablo-D3> each one does something like 650 mhash/sec
728 2010-12-03 04:26:31 <Diablo-D3> my c2d e8500 @ 3.16ghz does 2.9.
729 2010-12-03 04:27:53 <nanotube> still, 200 5970s is chump change for a govt or a corp.
730 2010-12-03 04:28:14 <nanotube> we need moar cpu power in the network.
731 2010-12-03 04:30:26 <Diablo-D3> s/cpu//
732 2010-12-03 04:31:33 <Diablo-D3> nanotube: btw
733 2010-12-03 04:31:36 <Diablo-D3> even if we got 200
734 2010-12-03 04:31:46 <Diablo-D3> it'd just raise the difficulty
735 2010-12-03 04:32:12 <nanotube> well, s/cpu/processing/ :)
736 2010-12-03 04:32:23 <nanotube> yes it would... it would also raise the difficulty of network takeover by a hostile party.
737 2010-12-03 04:32:45 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: quickly!
738 2010-12-03 04:32:47 <Diablo-D3> buy 200 more cards!
739 2010-12-03 04:32:52 <nanotube> for now, the cost of a network takeover is maybe 200k usd.
740 2010-12-03 04:33:04 <nanotube> once it gets to be 100m usd, then maybe we're getting somewhere. :)
741 2010-12-03 04:33:10 <nanotube> no, not artforz. it has to be distributed.
742 2010-12-03 04:33:18 <Diablo-D3> hes the only one with the fucking money
743 2010-12-03 04:33:23 <nanotube> otherwise, it may become cheaper to just raid artforz and destroy his house.
744 2010-12-03 04:33:38 <Diablo-D3> its not really a house any more
745 2010-12-03 04:33:40 <Diablo-D3> its a small DC
746 2010-12-03 04:33:43 <nanotube> Diablo-D3: think, there are hundreds of thousands (?) of people with ati 5xxx cards.
747 2010-12-03 04:33:54 <nanotube> if we can get them all to run a miner
748 2010-12-03 04:33:57 <Diablo-D3> theres about 5 people with 5970s though
749 2010-12-03 04:34:03 <Diablo-D3> who the fuck can afford those >_>
750 2010-12-03 04:34:16 <nanotube> 5770s are just fine too.
751 2010-12-03 04:34:20 <nanotube> if we are talking millions
752 2010-12-03 04:34:27 <ne0futur> is there a python client for mining bitcoins ?
753 2010-12-03 04:34:55 <Diablo-D3> ne0futur: yes
754 2010-12-03 04:34:58 <Diablo-D3> where have you been
755 2010-12-03 04:35:05 <ne0futur> ( server mode, no need for gui )
756 2010-12-03 04:35:12 <Diablo-D3> its called poclbm
757 2010-12-03 04:35:16 <Diablo-D3> it doesnt have a ui
758 2010-12-03 04:35:19 <ne0futur> great
759 2010-12-03 04:35:25 <Diablo-D3> and then theres mine
760 2010-12-03 04:35:29 <Diablo-D3> which is superior
761 2010-12-03 04:35:32 <Diablo-D3> and doesnt require that nasty python
762 2010-12-03 04:35:36 <ne0futur> and its on github hehe great
763 2010-12-03 04:35:42 <Diablo-D3> so is mine
764 2010-12-03 04:35:53 <ne0futur> i have cpu power on python only environment
765 2010-12-03 04:36:02 <Diablo-D3> ne0futur: then dont bother
766 2010-12-03 04:36:05 <Diablo-D3> opencl on cpu sucks
767 2010-12-03 04:36:10 <Diablo-D3> just use bitcoin itself
768 2010-12-03 04:36:33 <ne0futur> i cant run binaries, only python on some servers
769 2010-12-03 04:36:44 <ne0futur> https://github.com/m0mchil/poclbm/blob/master/poclbm.py
770 2010-12-03 04:36:45 <Diablo-D3> then dont bother
771 2010-12-03 04:36:48 <ne0futur> seems cool for me ;)
772 2010-12-03 04:36:51 <Diablo-D3> opencl is slow on cpus
773 2010-12-03 04:36:59 <Kiba`> me wishy wishy a block is generated now
774 2010-12-03 04:37:04 <ne0futur> and unused cpu hours
775 2010-12-03 04:37:07 <Diablo-D3> and you have to install binaries anyhow
776 2010-12-03 04:37:16 <Diablo-D3> otherwise how do you intend on getting opencl?
777 2010-12-03 04:38:04 <ne0futur> i have cpu hours i should be able to use them with python
778 2010-12-03 04:38:20 <Diablo-D3> ne0futur: I think you misunderstood.
779 2010-12-03 04:38:26 <Diablo-D3> opencl drivers are written in C.
780 2010-12-03 04:38:36 <Diablo-D3> you need those to use poclbm
781 2010-12-03 04:38:44 <Diablo-D3> no opencl, no poclbm
782 2010-12-03 04:38:52 <Diablo-D3> even if you run the opencl on a cpu, you still need it
783 2010-12-03 04:39:14 <ne0futur> opencl  seems ok
784 2010-12-03 04:39:15 <nanotube> heh yea running gen on pure python would be... slow. :)
785 2010-12-03 04:39:19 <ne0futur> just need python
786 2010-12-03 04:39:32 <nanotube> ah well if you have opencl drivers already installed...
787 2010-12-03 04:39:50 <btcex> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=724.msg26151#msg26151 jgarzik means what getblock patch updated to official src?
788 2010-12-03 04:41:16 <nanotube> btcex: there's a url in post #3 in that thread.
789 2010-12-03 04:55:23 <btcex> nanotube: August 07, 2010, 05:05 am
790 2010-12-03 04:55:36 <btcex> but I can not find getblock in official 0.3.17 client
791 2010-12-03 04:55:55 <nanotube> i don't think it is in .3.17
792 2010-12-03 04:56:02 <nanotube> that's why there's a patch.
793 2010-12-03 05:04:28 <Kiba`> ....MUAHHAHAHAHAHA
794 2010-12-03 05:04:39 <Kiba`> so, only 3 people download my latest art?
795 2010-12-03 05:04:42 <Kiba`> price too high?
796 2010-12-03 05:04:55 <Kiba`> http://www.bitcoinservice.co.uk/files/14
797 2010-12-03 05:09:09 <nanotube> Kiba`: problem is, no previews. with the scammers abounding... buying a cat in the bag is not a very attractive proposition.
798 2010-12-03 05:16:14 <Kiba`> I know! I'll chew out bencoder for not providing preview!
799 2010-12-03 05:16:25 <nanotube> sounds like a plan. :)
800 2010-12-03 05:16:45 <nanotube> btw, you have 2 days until your loan is due. i hope you were able to profit off the recent price drop. :)
801 2010-12-03 05:16:47 <Kiba`> nanotube: in any case, I already made a killing compared to ubitious
802 2010-12-03 05:16:58 <Kiba`> nanotube: no sire.
803 2010-12-03 05:17:09 <Kiba`> but I am able to pay off my loand
804 2010-12-03 05:17:12 <Kiba`> s/loand/laon
805 2010-12-03 05:17:17 <Kiba`> s/laon/loan
806 2010-12-03 05:17:26 <Kiba`> I will be able to pay off my loan
807 2010-12-03 05:17:49 <nanotube> ok, i'll be ready to receive whenever you're ready to send. you have my loan-return address on file?
808 2010-12-03 05:19:19 <Kiba`> I sure do.
809 2010-12-03 05:19:39 <nanotube> cool. :)
810 2010-12-03 05:26:52 <Kiba`> those damn DMCA
811 2010-12-03 05:27:13 <Kiba`> people own their xbox, not M$
812 2010-12-03 05:51:04 <kermit> Kiba`: you dont even own your money in the US
813 2010-12-03 05:51:16 <kermit> the coins in your pocket are federal property
814 2010-12-03 05:51:26 <entel> heh
815 2010-12-03 05:52:42 <Kiba`> hmm, I am now more qualified in public speaking!
816 2010-12-03 05:52:47 <wumpus> heh, and then they call it the land of the free
817 2010-12-03 05:53:07 <kermit> wumpus: noone really calls it that lately
818 2010-12-03 05:53:38 <kermit> as they stand with their arms up and legs spread in a body scanner
819 2010-12-03 05:54:00 <wumpus> I'm Dutch and when I was young my family was already joking about the land of the free with its many rules, it started as a joke, but it seems t ohave become much worse since then
820 2010-12-03 05:54:24 <wumpus> then again, it's not Russia yet :)
821 2010-12-03 05:55:27 <Kiba`> Americans don't care about freedom
822 2010-12-03 05:55:33 <Kiba`> they care about being protected from terrorists
823 2010-12-03 05:55:41 <kermit> they care about whatever the MSM tells them to care about
824 2010-12-03 05:55:58 <Kiba`> terrorists have an intelligent face
825 2010-12-03 05:56:02 <Kiba`> car accidents don't
826 2010-12-03 05:56:12 <kermit> which is basicly to be afraid of everything and everyone and be addicted to stress relief drugs
827 2010-12-03 05:57:02 <wumpus> yeah, afraid is indeed the right word
828 2010-12-03 05:57:51 <Kiba`> nobody is afraid of car accidents
829 2010-12-03 05:57:53 <wumpus> if you look at it a rational way, the terrorism is almost moot, how can a few people with a bomb really hurt a big country like america
830 2010-12-03 05:57:55 <wumpus> but they did