1 2010-12-04 00:01:31 <mtgox> hi genjix
  2 2010-12-04 00:02:40 <genjix> I found out my bank offers me to .csv for checking my bank statement online
  3 2010-12-04 00:02:44 <genjix> here in the UK
  4 2010-12-04 00:03:01 <genjix> I'm thinking to setup a bitcoin exchange for ???
  5 2010-12-04 00:03:26 <genjix> is your site's sourcecode anywhere? Or you want to provide ????
  6 2010-12-04 00:03:58 <genjix> through my bank that is... I wouldn't mind, although I'm not sure about cashing out ??? (might have to be done manually for a fee)
  7 2010-12-04 00:04:41 <genjix> im working on a bitcoin project so it'd be nice to have ??? working :)
  8 2010-12-04 00:06:04 <xelister> Diablo-D3: :[  seriously your miner appears to loose some of solutions it finds
  9 2010-12-04 00:06:59 <xelister> $ grep -C 20 of-work /home/bcsrv/.bitcoin/debug.log  | egrep "hash:|generated"
 10 2010-12-04 00:07:00 <xelister> hash: 000000000002d4a221e4db11686ac2c2c65728b43c23871cb8f7ac1eef113206
 11 2010-12-04 00:07:02 <xelister> 12/02/10 22:58 generated 50.00
 12 2010-12-04 00:07:03 <xelister> hash: 00000000000632b475ee055b109a43e7d79de990639e951e03d162dea95107ff
 13 2010-12-04 00:07:05 <xelister> 12/03/10 06:57 generated 50.00
 14 2010-12-04 00:07:35 <xelister> Started at Dec 3, 2010 2:13:02 PM
 15 2010-12-04 00:07:37 <xelister> Block 1 found on Cypress at 6:42:46 PM
 16 2010-12-04 00:07:38 <xelister> 505690 khash/secbc
 17 2010-12-04 00:07:40 <xelister> Block 2 found on Cypress at 12:46:19 AM
 18 2010-12-04 00:08:19 <xelister> the log was not rotated, since it shows work from 2010-12-02 22:58.  it shows also block found at 2010-12-03 06:57
 19 2010-12-04 00:09:01 <xelister> your miner shows ANOTHER 2 blocks, taking into account start date: 2010-12-03 18:42 and 2010-12-04 00:46
 20 2010-12-04 00:09:18 <xelister> so 2 blocks are discovered by miner, but are NOT received by bitcoin!!!!!! wtf???
 21 2010-12-04 00:09:55 <xelister> btw both programs suck cock for not showing datetime in each line like say dmesg and every sane log format do
 22 2010-12-04 00:10:43 <brocktice> gavinandresen: If I transferred all of my bitcoins that I do have into a new wallet and sent you my corrupted wallet.dat, would that be useful for development of a more robust reading routine?
 23 2010-12-04 00:14:14 <xelister> if Diablo-D3's miner really lost half of my coins, Im going to rage ;) lol :?
 24 2010-12-04 00:17:51 <gavinandresen> brocktice: yes
 25 2010-12-04 00:19:13 <xelister> hmm and m0m's miner has 1/2 speed on 5970....
 26 2010-12-04 00:19:36 <xelister> what do ou use to mine 5970
 27 2010-12-04 00:21:45 <[Noodles]> just start 2threads i guess
 28 2010-12-04 00:23:07 <xelister> [Noodles]: doesn't help
 29 2010-12-04 00:23:57 <[Noodles]> huh? with different devices of course, should work
 30 2010-12-04 00:24:22 <[Noodles]> i only have a 5850/5570 combo though
 31 2010-12-04 00:24:25 <brocktice> gavinandresen: OK, I'll hop to it soon
 32 2010-12-04 00:24:30 <brocktice> I'm trying a more recent wallet.dat
 33 2010-12-04 00:24:42 <brocktice> once that's down re-downloading all the blocks I'll pack it up.
 34 2010-12-04 00:24:54 <brocktice> (after I take my coins out of course :)
 35 2010-12-04 00:24:58 <Diablo-D3> [08:14:14] <xelister> if Diablo-D3's miner really lost half of my coins, Im going to rage ;) lol :?
 36 2010-12-04 00:25:15 <brocktice> xelister: it what?
 37 2010-12-04 00:25:19 <Diablo-D3> xelister: it doesnt lose anything.
 38 2010-12-04 00:25:24 <brocktice> xelister: m0's miner does not have 1/2 speed on 5970
 39 2010-12-04 00:25:36 <brocktice> oh that reminds me
 40 2010-12-04 00:25:44 <brocktice> I need to clean up my patches and send him another pull request
 41 2010-12-04 00:25:44 <xelister> brocktice:
 42 2010-12-04 00:25:46 <xelister> 2010-12-04 02:21:12:  259.48 Mhash now  260.08 Mhash sess | mined      0 BTC
 43 2010-12-04 00:25:48 <xelister> 2010-12-04 02:21:13:  246.45 Mhash now  259.93 Mhash sess | mined      0 BTC
 44 2010-12-04 00:25:49 <xelister> 2010-12-04 02:21:14:  253.69 Mhash now  259.87 Mhash sess | mined      0 BTC
 45 2010-12-04 00:25:52 <Diablo-D3> xelister: now, here is the major hurdle of yours
 46 2010-12-04 00:25:57 <brocktice> xelister: did you turn off crossfire?
 47 2010-12-04 00:25:59 <Diablo-D3> you have to prove it.
 48 2010-12-04 00:26:02 <xelister> ^-- m0m's with both 2.1 and 2.2 SDK
 49 2010-12-04 00:26:06 <Diablo-D3> no one else has this problem
 50 2010-12-04 00:26:07 <Diablo-D3> just you.
 51 2010-12-04 00:26:33 <brocktice> as a counterexample I offer this:
 52 2010-12-04 00:26:34 <brocktice> 2010-12-03 19:26:38 INFO     Device[2]: 349529 khash/s
 53 2010-12-04 00:26:35 <brocktice> 2010-12-03 19:26:45 INFO     Device[3]: 367865 khash/s
 54 2010-12-04 00:26:36 <xelister> how to check crossfire mode?
 55 2010-12-04 00:26:43 <brocktice> aticonfig --lscc
 56 2010-12-04 00:26:48 <gavinandresen> brocktice: great, I'll let you know what I find. I might tweak bitcointools to do wallet recovery, too....
 57 2010-12-04 00:26:58 <xelister> brocktice: hey you also patched m0m's to continously print stats? :)
 58 2010-12-04 00:27:11 <brocktice> xelister: I've made substantial changes
 59 2010-12-04 00:27:36 <brocktice> he's going to integrate them after I do a little more cleanup
 60 2010-12-04 00:27:39 <brocktice> I'll do that now
 61 2010-12-04 00:27:39 <xelister> aticonfig --lscc
 62 2010-12-04 00:27:41 <xelister> Master adapter:  0. 03:00.0 ATI Radeon HD 5900 Series
 63 2010-12-04 00:27:42 <xelister> Candidates:  1. 04:00.0 ATI Radeon HD 5900 Series
 64 2010-12-04 00:27:44 <brocktice> in the interim: https://github.com/brocktice/poclbm
 65 2010-12-04 00:27:47 <xelister> is this correct? I already once did disabling
 66 2010-12-04 00:27:55 <brocktice> oh wait
 67 2010-12-04 00:27:58 <brocktice> lsch sorry
 68 2010-12-04 00:28:02 <brocktice> lscc = candidates
 69 2010-12-04 00:28:05 <Diablo-D3> xelister: btw
 70 2010-12-04 00:28:07 <Diablo-D3> as a side note
 71 2010-12-04 00:28:14 <xelister> brocktice: please also print currently mined blocks (at least in this session) ok ?
 72 2010-12-04 00:28:16 <Diablo-D3> CROSS FIRE WILL FUCK UP EXACTLY HALF OF YOUR BLOCKS
 73 2010-12-04 00:28:23 <Diablo-D3> I am saying this loud as possible
 74 2010-12-04 00:28:26 <brocktice> xelister: it does print currently mined blocks
 75 2010-12-04 00:28:26 <xelister> hm
 76 2010-12-04 00:28:34 <Kiba> yo folks
 77 2010-12-04 00:28:36 <Diablo-D3> unless you have 4 cards
 78 2010-12-04 00:28:40 <brocktice> xelister: not only that, if you use my daemon and configure your email settings correctly, it will EMAIL YOU
 79 2010-12-04 00:28:41 <Diablo-D3> then it will fuck up 3/4th of your blocks
 80 2010-12-04 00:28:44 <xelister> brocktice:  like "0 blocks mined"? it hides for 0?
 81 2010-12-04 00:28:50 <brocktice> huh?
 82 2010-12-04 00:28:53 <brocktice> Device[3] found a block with output: 992343872. Matures at block 95503.
 83 2010-12-04 00:28:55 <xelister> no
 84 2010-12-04 00:28:57 <xelister> like:
 85 2010-12-04 00:28:58 <brocktice> You'll get that in an email
 86 2010-12-04 00:29:04 <brocktice> oh, you mean like a running total?
 87 2010-12-04 00:29:11 <xelister> 2010-12-03 19:26:45 INFO     Device[1]: 367890 khash/s  (3 blocks mined in this session)
 88 2010-12-04 00:29:12 <brocktice> I actually abstracted the miner into a python class
 89 2010-12-04 00:29:12 <Diablo-D3> xelister: use the test net.
 90 2010-12-04 00:29:17 <brocktice> you could easily do that
 91 2010-12-04 00:29:18 <Diablo-D3> xelister: I am ordering you to do what I tell you
 92 2010-12-04 00:29:19 <brocktice> or I could add it later
 93 2010-12-04 00:29:21 <Diablo-D3> xelister: use. the. test. net.
 94 2010-12-04 00:29:27 <xelister> ok
 95 2010-12-04 00:29:29 <Diablo-D3> use it, the testnet you shall
 96 2010-12-04 00:29:39 <brocktice> with my class this is all it takes to mine: https://github.com/brocktice/poclbm/blob/master/test_bitcoinminer.py
 97 2010-12-04 00:29:54 <Diablo-D3> xelister: gen about 50 blocks
 98 2010-12-04 00:30:15 <Diablo-D3> if the miner is working properly, maybe 1 or 2 will miss
 99 2010-12-04 00:30:43 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: he really needs to fix his hashrate first anyway
100 2010-12-04 00:30:44 <Diablo-D3> if you're using my miner wrong, it will lose half or more.
101 2010-12-04 00:31:20 <xelister> Diablo-D3: btw
102 2010-12-04 00:31:30 <xelister> why your miner is gayified
103 2010-12-04 00:31:47 <xelister> it prints that idiotic format of dates that americans invented
104 2010-12-04 00:32:04 <Diablo-D3> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8cNHCP3juQ
105 2010-12-04 00:32:09 <Diablo-D3> what the fuck am I watching
106 2010-12-04 00:32:15 <Diablo-D3> xelister: it prints your environment default
107 2010-12-04 00:32:19 <brocktice> You know, actually, it's not cool to use 'gay' as a synonym for 'bad'
108 2010-12-04 00:32:19 <xelister> I will pay right now 10 BTC to have the miner degeyified for the retarded mm/dd/yy shit format
109 2010-12-04 00:32:30 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: its very gay to do it
110 2010-12-04 00:32:36 <xelister> Diablo-D3: it should just print in yyyy-mm-dd as white people do
111 2010-12-04 00:32:48 <Diablo-D3> xelister: THEN CHANGE YOUR FUCKING LOCALE YOU FUCKTARD
112 2010-12-04 00:32:52 <Diablo-D3> pay attention
113 2010-12-04 00:32:52 <xelister> btw, both above insults are just joke ;)
114 2010-12-04 00:32:56 <Kiba> yo folks
115 2010-12-04 00:33:05 <xelister> Diablo-D3: it should ignore locale
116 2010-12-04 00:33:37 <xelister> hey, no mom jokes!
117 2010-12-04 00:33:54 <xelister> now, it is polite again <)<
118 2010-12-04 00:34:07 <xelister> >_>
119 2010-12-04 00:35:14 <xelister> why doenst the miners verify the solution...
120 2010-12-04 00:35:18 <xelister> it should like
121 2010-12-04 00:35:50 <Diablo-D3> holy shit peter falk is still alive?
122 2010-12-04 00:36:06 <xelister> print yyyy-mm-dd hh:mm:ss when block was found. Then verify it by hand calculating hash and report success/failure.  Then also say (with same timestamp) when RPC of putwork finished
123 2010-12-04 00:36:10 <brocktice> xelister: if it were to be really sophisticated, sure, it might check the debug.log for proof of work or something.
124 2010-12-04 00:36:17 <Kiba> rumor of my death is greatly exaggerated
125 2010-12-04 00:36:18 <brocktice> xelister: feel free to give me a patch
126 2010-12-04 00:36:21 <Diablo-D3> xelister: look at the code very carefully
127 2010-12-04 00:36:31 <Diablo-D3> xelister: mine already verifies the entire attempt
128 2010-12-04 00:36:49 <xelister> so how it could be possible the (due to crossfire or smth) invalid soolution is 'found'
129 2010-12-04 00:37:00 <xelister> perhaps the RPC to send the solution back fails
130 2010-12-04 00:37:09 <xelister> it should say when this VERY IMPORTANT rpc finishes
131 2010-12-04 00:37:42 <Diablo-D3> yes if crossfire is on, half your solutions will be wrong
132 2010-12-04 00:37:46 <xelister> *** CrossFire chain for adapter 0, status: disabled ***
133 2010-12-04 00:37:49 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: they will?
134 2010-12-04 00:37:56 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: yes
135 2010-12-04 00:38:07 <xelister> Diablo-D3: and console did not say anything about wrong solution.  and anyway xfire is disabled
136 2010-12-04 00:38:11 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: the problem is
137 2010-12-04 00:38:17 <xelister> so apparently your miner DOES loose the solutions!
138 2010-12-04 00:38:18 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: my miner will just attempt them and fail
139 2010-12-04 00:38:31 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: the user is never notified that a block is found
140 2010-12-04 00:38:47 <brocktice> then that's not his problem
141 2010-12-04 00:38:51 <brocktice> because he's notified
142 2010-12-04 00:38:55 <Diablo-D3> hrm
143 2010-12-04 00:38:59 <xelister> Diablo-D3: ok so look at my log above.  miner reports 2 new blocks,  and debug.log shows 0 new such blocks found (only shows 2 older blocks). so....????
144 2010-12-04 00:39:07 <Diablo-D3> I wonder if I should double check if H still == 0
145 2010-12-04 00:39:09 <Diablo-D3> because if it doesnt
146 2010-12-04 00:39:13 <Diablo-D3> then theres a fucking problem
147 2010-12-04 00:39:18 <Diablo-D3> and to clarify
148 2010-12-04 00:39:21 <xelister> comparing your miner output + debug.log  means that your miner somehow didnt report the work to bitcoind yes?
149 2010-12-04 00:39:23 <Diablo-D3> the fucking problem is in the end user hardware
150 2010-12-04 00:39:35 <Diablo-D3> xelister: no.
151 2010-12-04 00:40:23 <xelister> Diablo-D3: can you then explain why your miner shows 2 new blocks found,  and debug.log of bitcoind show NO (new) blocks discovered?
152 2010-12-04 00:40:48 <xelister> overall in last week, with your miner, it seems I got less coinst then expected on 5970 :{
153 2010-12-04 00:40:49 <brocktice> mmkay pull request sent to m0mchil
154 2010-12-04 00:40:55 <brocktice> xelister: that doesn't mean much
155 2010-12-04 00:40:58 <Diablo-D3> xelister: because no one cares about debug.log?
156 2010-12-04 00:41:06 <brocktice> xelister: especially when you're only getting half the damn hashrate you should
157 2010-12-04 00:41:14 <Diablo-D3> yeah what brock said
158 2010-12-04 00:41:17 <Diablo-D3> your shit is broke
159 2010-12-04 00:41:19 <Diablo-D3> I dont know why
160 2010-12-04 00:41:24 <xelister> Diablo-D3: also in fact the bitcoin (gui client) shows that very little coins where mined
161 2010-12-04 00:42:00 <Kiba> http://www.bitcoinservice.co.uk/files/16
162 2010-12-04 00:42:03 <Kiba> finished line art
163 2010-12-04 00:42:05 <xelister> Diablo-D3: your miner shows mined coins,  and bitcoin both debug.log and GUI both say many of this 'mined' coins are totally missing, as if they where never reproted back to bitcoind
164 2010-12-04 00:42:07 <Diablo-D3> xelister: then you have broken shit on your system
165 2010-12-04 00:42:09 <Kiba> CLEANING AND COLORING next phrase
166 2010-12-04 00:42:14 <Diablo-D3> xelister: are you still using that fucking beta ubuntu driver?
167 2010-12-04 00:42:30 <Kiba> I learned two important shit:
168 2010-12-04 00:42:42 <Kiba> 1. Don't scan at absolutely ridiclious high resolution
169 2010-12-04 00:42:42 <xelister> Diablo-D3: yea, but what does it have to do with anything?  once your miner reports a block found, it must report it via RPC right? well it does not
170 2010-12-04 00:43:05 <xelister> and it seems not a GPU related problem, but RPC problem, so more likelly RPC problem in the miner (or bitcoind)?
171 2010-12-04 00:43:13 <Kiba> 2. Don't upload a file to bitcoinservice.co.uk unless you want to pay for your own shit
172 2010-12-04 00:43:14 <Diablo-D3> xelister: because I probably need to add more paranoid code to fix your system
173 2010-12-04 00:43:17 <Diablo-D3> and your system specifically
174 2010-12-04 00:43:18 <Diablo-D3> it should go
175 2010-12-04 00:43:31 <Diablo-D3> "HEY THIS DOESNT PRODUCE H==0, I QUIT, FIX YOUR SHIT"
176 2010-12-04 00:43:43 <xelister> you said you do fully verify the code?
177 2010-12-04 00:43:45 <xelister> the hash
178 2010-12-04 00:44:00 <Diablo-D3> no
179 2010-12-04 00:44:03 <Diablo-D3> I fully do the hash
180 2010-12-04 00:44:07 <Diablo-D3> from the original header
181 2010-12-04 00:44:23 <xelister> well can you push now code to print   1) full hash that is found  2) start of RPC to report it  3) end of this RPC   (all with dates)  then I can leave it overmnight
182 2010-12-04 00:44:25 <xelister> overnight
183 2010-12-04 00:45:03 <Diablo-D3> xelister: there is no start and end.
184 2010-12-04 00:45:10 <Diablo-D3> it happens instantly
185 2010-12-04 00:45:34 <xelister> if it would fail or get stalled for some reason, your code is printing it?
186 2010-12-04 00:45:36 <genjix> Kiba: did you hear that bruce wagner talk
187 2010-12-04 00:45:43 <Kiba> COMPLETELY
188 2010-12-04 00:45:52 <genjix> Kiba: i dont want to waste the time, energy, money to pay to see something
189 2010-12-04 00:45:54 <genjix> :p
190 2010-12-04 00:45:57 <Diablo-D3> xelister: if it fails then it will print an ERROR: shit: json line
191 2010-12-04 00:46:08 <genjix> Kiba: but then ill tip if its worthwhile.
192 2010-12-04 00:46:13 <Diablo-D3> xelister: it it stalls, then that code you asked me to add that fixes a stalled executor thread actually cleans it up
193 2010-12-04 00:46:17 <Diablo-D3> xelister: somewhat unintentionally so
194 2010-12-04 00:46:19 <Kiba> genjix: blame bencoder, not me!
195 2010-12-04 00:46:29 <brocktice> xelister: here is what you need to do
196 2010-12-04 00:46:29 <genjix> ah l
197 2010-12-04 00:46:30 <genjix> k
198 2010-12-04 00:46:35 <brocktice> xelister: sort out your hashrate first
199 2010-12-04 00:46:40 <Kiba> bencoder still have not yet provide a PREVIEW
200 2010-12-04 00:46:41 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: he needs to stop using ubuntu's beta of 10.9
201 2010-12-04 00:46:44 <Kiba> so did hippich
202 2010-12-04 00:46:47 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: that might help
203 2010-12-04 00:46:48 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: I suspect it breaks opencl
204 2010-12-04 00:46:54 <Diablo-D3> although I am adding one bit of code
205 2010-12-04 00:46:57 <brocktice> 10.10 seems to work just great
206 2010-12-04 00:46:59 <Diablo-D3> double check if h still == 0
207 2010-12-04 00:46:59 <Kiba> but ya know..if you have two downloading service..competition is still HALF ASS slow
208 2010-12-04 00:47:07 <brocktice> I use 10.10 from the ATI/AMD site
209 2010-12-04 00:47:14 <Diablo-D3> because if g < target and h != 0, the driver/hardware is broken
210 2010-12-04 00:47:15 <brocktice> build the .debs for my Ubuntu version
211 2010-12-04 00:47:22 <genjix> "We take just 10% or 0.01bitcoins from your balance when you withdraw."
212 2010-12-04 00:47:36 <genjix> "We take just 10%"
213 2010-12-04 00:47:39 <genjix> "just 10%"
214 2010-12-04 00:47:41 <Kiba> genjix: lot better than...HIppich 50% commision fee
215 2010-12-04 00:47:45 <Diablo-D3> >10%
216 2010-12-04 00:47:48 <Diablo-D3> FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFf.jpg
217 2010-12-04 00:48:11 <Kiba> when it come to making dough, bencoder's site is a lot better
218 2010-12-04 00:48:40 <genjix> 10% is huge
219 2010-12-04 00:48:41 <Kiba> I would need like 50 downloaders if I want to make as much as money
220 2010-12-04 00:48:45 <genjix> shuld be 2% :p
221 2010-12-04 00:48:45 <Kiba> in ubitious
222 2010-12-04 00:48:50 <Kiba> genjix: better than 50%
223 2010-12-04 00:49:08 <Kiba> ubitious is a RIP off.
224 2010-12-04 00:49:13 <Kiba> and their files expire
225 2010-12-04 00:49:31 <xelister> brocktice: I get 530M on diablos, hashrate is ok
226 2010-12-04 00:49:48 <xelister> Diablo-D3: can you just add the extra checks for "gpu produces shitty hashes" thing
227 2010-12-04 00:49:58 <xelister> yes.
228 2010-12-04 00:49:59 <Diablo-D3> xelister: I just said that you idiot
229 2010-12-04 00:50:01 <xelister> SHIT IT BROKEN AS SHIT
230 2010-12-04 00:50:03 <xelister> SHIIIIT
231 2010-12-04 00:50:15 <xelister> testnet shows it, compare (in same time period of around 1 minute)
232 2010-12-04 00:50:20 <Diablo-D3> if the gpu miner says a combination produces H == 0, and it doesnt, then your shits broken
233 2010-12-04 00:50:25 <xelister> hash: 000000000b914ff44bb44954d5d790650e8fb4a11677fb699c580917030c813b
234 2010-12-04 00:50:26 <xelister> hash: 000000001fcb362bc6288c9b3e55447f3e49d2fc47a988e0fb4b112076f7501a
235 2010-12-04 00:50:28 <xelister> hash: 000000002d5d1f7b4234e3e82be0fa08e0f1474454fa00aa6e5892b6b469471e
236 2010-12-04 00:50:29 <xelister> hash: 0000000011b2caf022c5c544d08a59b0d1d5dbe3196a72c379de023305cdad6e
237 2010-12-04 00:50:38 <xelister> Block 10 found on Cypress at 2:48:52 AM
238 2010-12-04 00:50:39 <xelister> Block 11 found on Cypress at 2:49:04 AM
239 2010-12-04 00:50:40 <xelister> Block 12 found on Cypress at 2:49:14 AM
240 2010-12-04 00:50:42 <xelister> Block 13 found on Cypress at 2:49:45 AM
241 2010-12-04 00:50:44 <xelister> Block 14 found on Cypress at 2:49:47 AM
242 2010-12-04 00:50:45 <xelister> Block 15 found on Cypress at 2:49:52 AM
243 2010-12-04 00:50:46 <xelister> Block 16 found on Cypress at 2:49:53 AM
244 2010-12-04 00:50:48 <xelister> Block 17 found on Cypress at 2:49:55 AM
245 2010-12-04 00:50:50 <xelister> Block 18 found on Cypress at 2:50:00 AM
246 2010-12-04 00:50:51 <xelister> Block 19 found on Cypress at 2:50:05 AM
247 2010-12-04 00:50:52 <xelister> Block 20 found on Cypress at 2:50:13 AM
248 2010-12-04 00:50:54 <xelister> 10 blocks found by miner,  4 actually received by the bitcoind
249 2010-12-04 00:50:58 <xelister> fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck I was mining at half speed last week+ :[
250 2010-12-04 00:51:16 <Diablo-D3> xelister: so, it sounds like crossfire is on
251 2010-12-04 00:51:21 <Diablo-D3> or you're not using 10.10 or newer
252 2010-12-04 00:52:14 <xelister> Diablo-D3: it is offff as I pasted
253 2010-12-04 00:52:34 <xelister> Diablo-D3: ok so what code add/where to check fully the hashes
254 2010-12-04 00:52:45 <Diablo-D3> I'll do it myself, wait a fucking second
255 2010-12-04 00:53:02 <Diablo-D3> I was busy watching the full trailer for the new back to the future game
256 2010-12-04 00:53:20 <Diablo-D3> because when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, we're going to see some serious shit
257 2010-12-04 00:58:48 <Diablo-D3> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMiF8Ua1EMs
258 2010-12-04 00:58:53 <Diablo-D3> now that is some serious shit
259 2010-12-04 01:01:37 <xelister> anyway bitcoind logging could be better... it appears to not log the putwork RPC calls
260 2010-12-04 01:06:01 <xelister> I cant belived I lost like 300 BTC on this miner/driver/whatever bug
261 2010-12-04 01:06:32 <CIA-87> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * rd6ed14e / src/main/java/com/diablominer/DiabloMiner/DiabloMiner.java :
262 2010-12-04 01:06:52 <Diablo-D3> xelister: I already told you about two dozen times not to use the ubuntu beta driver
263 2010-12-04 01:06:52 <xelister> this is probably the biggest financiall *direct* from software bug :)  affecting me
264 2010-12-04 01:07:02 <Diablo-D3> so this is 120% user error
265 2010-12-04 01:07:06 <Diablo-D3> you were told not to do it
266 2010-12-04 01:07:07 <Diablo-D3> and you did
267 2010-12-04 01:07:20 <xelister> then this is ubuntu's bug, if this is true
268 2010-12-04 01:07:56 <xelister> its not a dedicated mining box. Not user's fault, if he simply uses the latest software. I already took extra steps to use older SDK as you recommneded (2.1)
269 2010-12-04 01:08:17 <brocktice> ;;bc,blocks
270 2010-12-04 01:08:18 <gribble> 95392
271 2010-12-04 01:08:23 <brocktice> huh that's strange
272 2010-12-04 01:08:27 <brocktice> bitcoinwatch is behind by 1?
273 2010-12-04 01:08:50 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: bitcoinwatch probably forgot the first block is 0
274 2010-12-04 01:08:59 <Diablo-D3> and either dumbly tried to fix it, or forgot to add 1
275 2010-12-04 01:09:00 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: wouldn't that be the other way around
276 2010-12-04 01:09:16 <brocktice> the client and gribble both say it's 95392
277 2010-12-04 01:09:19 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: depends what the client says
278 2010-12-04 01:09:54 <Diablo-D3> xelister: and its the user's fault for using ubuntu
279 2010-12-04 01:12:08 <doublec> ;;bc,calc 85000
280 2010-12-04 01:12:09 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 85000 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 4 days, 17 hours, 23 minutes, and 3 seconds
281 2010-12-04 01:12:34 <xelister> shitty ubuntu.
282 2010-12-04 01:13:25 <Diablo-D3> YES
283 2010-12-04 01:13:28 <Diablo-D3> UBUNTU IS SHITTY
284 2010-12-04 01:13:36 <Diablo-D3> I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS
285 2010-12-04 01:13:42 <Diablo-D3> WHY THE FUCK DOES NO ONE LISTEN
286 2010-12-04 01:13:45 <Diablo-D3> UBUNTU
287 2010-12-04 01:13:46 <Diablo-D3> IS
288 2010-12-04 01:13:48 <Diablo-D3> IT IS SHIT
289 2010-12-04 01:13:55 <ColonelPanic1> why
290 2010-12-04 01:14:20 <doublec> Diablo-D3, what's your preferred distro? Debian?
291 2010-12-04 01:14:21 <Diablo-D3> IT IS MATHEMATICALLY PROVED, USING COMPLEX MATH THAT TAKES MULTIPLE PHDS TO UNDERSTAND, THAT UBUNTU IS EQUAL TO SHIT
292 2010-12-04 01:14:27 <Diablo-D3> doublec: YES
293 2010-12-04 01:14:29 <Diablo-D3> er, yes
294 2010-12-04 01:14:30 <ColonelPanic1> I have 11 phds
295 2010-12-04 01:14:46 <brocktice> gavinandresen: where should I send that wallet.dat?
296 2010-12-04 01:15:04 <brocktice> gavinandresen: by the way, there's a financial incentive, I think there are 100-200 coins attached to an address in that wallet. :)
297 2010-12-04 01:15:22 <Diablo-D3> xelister: so, I added the fucking code
298 2010-12-04 01:15:27 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: I only have one PhD, that must be why I don't understand the problem.
299 2010-12-04 01:15:32 <xelister> Diablo-D3: good shit o/
300 2010-12-04 01:15:47 <xelister> Diablo-D3: PEOPLE USE UBUNTU because it is user friendly
301 2010-12-04 01:15:54 <xelister> last time I tried to use debian it offered me following things
302 2010-12-04 01:16:03 <brocktice> Because much as I have loved debian ubuntu is sure quicker to get up and running as a functional desktop
303 2010-12-04 01:16:07 <ColonelPanic1> the only things I use on ubuntu are gedit, nano, ssh, and gcc
304 2010-12-04 01:16:08 <xelister> - anall rape in exchange of installing needed hardware drivers
305 2010-12-04 01:16:14 <brocktice> If I want to spend a ton of time setting up my system I'll use gentoo.
306 2010-12-04 01:16:22 <Diablo-D3> xelister: no its not
307 2010-12-04 01:16:24 <xelister> - sucking dick of rms to prise open only drivers. I kindly refused
308 2010-12-04 01:16:39 <Diablo-D3> having to clean up their fucking problems is NOT user friendly
309 2010-12-04 01:16:43 <Diablo-D3> I dont have this fucking shit on debian
310 2010-12-04 01:16:44 <xelister> - 6-18 months old software, when I needed at least 6 month old lib boost.
311 2010-12-04 01:16:46 <ColonelPanic1> xelister: yeah, what happened to choice and free will, man
312 2010-12-04 01:16:47 <xelister> - 12-18 months old software, when I needed at least 6 month old lib boost.
313 2010-12-04 01:16:52 <Diablo-D3> btw no
314 2010-12-04 01:16:56 <Diablo-D3> libboost is a very special case
315 2010-12-04 01:17:07 <brocktice> Ubuntu releases every what, 6 months?
316 2010-12-04 01:17:07 <Diablo-D3> its coded so badly that each version is tied to a specific version of gcc
317 2010-12-04 01:17:14 <brocktice> Debian every 6 years?
318 2010-12-04 01:17:17 <xelister> how it is coded badly
319 2010-12-04 01:17:22 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: debian uses rolling releases for sid
320 2010-12-04 01:17:24 <xelister> lib boost is most amazingly coded library for c++
321 2010-12-04 01:17:30 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: oh, well, that's good at least
322 2010-12-04 01:17:31 <Diablo-D3> and testing is no older than 6 months, its usually brand new
323 2010-12-04 01:17:35 <xelister> since it is written by the most advnaced c++ developers
324 2010-12-04 01:17:37 <Diablo-D3> xelister: no its not
325 2010-12-04 01:17:40 <Diablo-D3> boost is shit
326 2010-12-04 01:17:42 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: I think when I was using, what, sarge, it was very very behind
327 2010-12-04 01:17:51 <xelister> boost > every-lib in c++ world
328 2010-12-04 01:17:55 <Diablo-D3> if you dont match the libc and gcc versions exactly, which are _undocumented_, your boost apps will fail in strange ways
329 2010-12-04 01:18:04 <doublec> mint debian uses rolling releases too
330 2010-12-04 01:18:08 <Diablo-D3> so the version of boost on debian is exactly the correct one
331 2010-12-04 01:18:14 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: dont use stable
332 2010-12-04 01:18:22 <brocktice> One of the things I liked about gentoo was that it was basically a rolling release
333 2010-12-04 01:18:26 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: stable in debian predates the modern definition of stable
334 2010-12-04 01:18:28 <xelister> Diablo-D3: really? well that is strange... I hope boost guys fixed that
335 2010-12-04 01:18:32 <xelister> Diablo-D3: but look at this
336 2010-12-04 01:18:33 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: I tried using testing but had a bunch of problems.
337 2010-12-04 01:18:36 <xelister> I get a random laptop
338 2010-12-04 01:18:38 <brocktice> But that was years ago now
339 2010-12-04 01:18:38 <Kiba> none of the GIMP tutorial are actually worth anything
340 2010-12-04 01:18:41 <xelister> pop in an linux install cd
341 2010-12-04 01:18:42 <xelister> 1) ubuntu
342 2010-12-04 01:18:44 <xelister> 2) debian
343 2010-12-04 01:18:45 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: debian testing == everybody else's stable
344 2010-12-04 01:18:49 <Kiba> cleaning lineart when their is already sqqqquuuuuueaky clean
345 2010-12-04 01:18:52 <brocktice> I really liked debian netinstall
346 2010-12-04 01:18:52 <xelister> 1 -> 90-100% of hardware Just Works
347 2010-12-04 01:18:56 <xelister> 2) debian.....
348 2010-12-04 01:18:59 <xelister> what then?
349 2010-12-04 01:19:01 <Kiba> how about cleaning up something MEEEssed up
350 2010-12-04 01:19:04 <brocktice> You can install all of debian with an internet connection and a biz card CDROM
351 2010-12-04 01:19:06 <Diablo-D3> on debian, 90-100% of hardware works
352 2010-12-04 01:19:07 <Diablo-D3> because
353 2010-12-04 01:19:10 <Diablo-D3> ITS A KERNEL ISSUE
354 2010-12-04 01:19:14 <xelister> not just
355 2010-12-04 01:19:30 <xelister> Diablo-D3: I pop in debian cd, install.  How to have the normal (closed) radeon (flgrx) driver?
356 2010-12-04 01:19:31 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: I dont like the biz card versions, they cut too much out
357 2010-12-04 01:19:49 <xelister> will I again have to manually download shit and build kernel and/or build drivers from sources (on each kernel update too) etc?
358 2010-12-04 01:19:50 <Diablo-D3> xelister: add the non-free repo, then install it.
359 2010-12-04 01:20:10 <Diablo-D3> xelister: or wait about another year, and AMD is going to discontinue fglrx anyhow
360 2010-12-04 01:20:17 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: Well, it's just netinstall.
361 2010-12-04 01:20:24 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: just enough to let you pull down the full installer
362 2010-12-04 01:20:29 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: or are they not doing that anymore?
363 2010-12-04 01:20:37 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: no, the netinst disc is different
364 2010-12-04 01:20:41 <xelister> Diablo-D3: please also print the hash on each found ok?
365 2010-12-04 01:20:42 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: the biz card is even smaller
366 2010-12-04 01:20:58 <Diablo-D3> xelister: why? the hash will be endian swapped
367 2010-12-04 01:21:05 <xelister> to debug more
368 2010-12-04 01:21:19 <xelister> now I have no idea how to check, what block was supposedly generated
369 2010-12-04 01:21:25 <xelister> which exactly block
370 2010-12-04 01:21:28 <Diablo-D3> xelister: check the time logs.
371 2010-12-04 01:21:34 <Diablo-D3> mine match exactly to what the UI says
372 2010-12-04 01:21:47 <xelister> well, on this box half match and half just goes *poof*
373 2010-12-04 01:21:55 <Diablo-D3> yes, try it with my new shit
374 2010-12-04 01:21:56 <xelister> with hash I could search more I guess in logs or blockexplorer
375 2010-12-04 01:22:04 <xelister> yes I seen the warning about broken hash...
376 2010-12-04 01:22:09 <xelister> well ok lets try it
377 2010-12-04 01:22:14 <Diablo-D3> tell me if it triggers
378 2010-12-04 01:22:28 <xelister> but it would be even better, if it would with an option check every Nth hash FULLY
379 2010-12-04 01:22:49 <Diablo-D3> xelister: no, it checks EVERY hash fully
380 2010-12-04 01:22:50 <Diablo-D3> look at the code
381 2010-12-04 01:22:58 <Diablo-D3> it takes the actual header and and hashes it
382 2010-12-04 01:22:58 <xelister> like each 100th hash  calculate both in GPU and in software (no matter if its the winning hash).... or is that not possible since entire loop of nonces runs inside GPU onky?
383 2010-12-04 01:23:00 <Diablo-D3> the whole thing
384 2010-12-04 01:23:22 <Diablo-D3> xelister: you cant do it your way without actually running it in test mode
385 2010-12-04 01:23:32 <theymos> xelister: If you're using the Bitcoin GUI, you can run with -debug to get hashes for your transactions.
386 2010-12-04 01:24:04 <Diablo-D3> theymos: yeah, but he is using a broken version of fglrx and wont fix it
387 2010-12-04 01:24:09 <Diablo-D3> theymos: so everything he says is wrong
388 2010-12-04 01:24:36 <StrangeCharm> gavinandresen, can you put it in a faq somewhere?
389 2010-12-04 01:24:57 <StrangeCharm> or, at least, note it in the api/conf file wiki page?
390 2010-12-04 01:26:23 <xelister> theymos: allagedy
391 2010-12-04 01:26:26 <xelister> Diablo-D3: ALLAGEDY
392 2010-12-04 01:26:27 <xelister> <_<
393 2010-12-04 01:26:34 <xelister> well this is the version from  ubuntu.
394 2010-12-04 01:27:48 <xelister> Diablo-D3: you tested your new version, it works fine on yours hw?
395 2010-12-04 01:27:59 <xelister> Invalid block found on Cypress at 3:27:26 AM, possible driver or hardware issue
396 2010-12-04 01:28:00 <xelister> Invalid block found on Cypress at 3:27:26 AM, possible driver or hardware issue
397 2010-12-04 01:28:02 <xelister> Invalid block found on Cypress at 3:27:26 AM, possible driver or hardware issue
398 2010-12-04 01:28:04 <xelister> Invalid block found on Cypress at 3:27:27 AM, possible driver or hardware issue
399 2010-12-04 01:28:05 <xelister> Invalid block found on Cypress at 3:27:27 AM, possible driver or hardware issue
400 2010-12-04 01:28:06 <xelister> Invalid block found on Cypress at 3:27:27 AM, possible driver or hardware issue
401 2010-12-04 01:28:08 <xelister> Invalid block found on Cypress at 3:27:27 AM, possible driver or hardware issue
402 2010-12-04 01:28:10 <xelister> Invalid block found on Cypress at 3:27:28 AM, possible driver or hardware issue
403 2010-12-04 01:28:11 <xelister> >_>
404 2010-12-04 01:31:59 <xelister> Diablo-D3: well, can we debug mroe this issue?
405 2010-12-04 01:32:07 <xelister> Diablo-D3: perhaps all hashes from say 2nd core are wrong
406 2010-12-04 01:33:16 <xelister> Diablo-D3: using SDK 2.2 resolves the issue, but eats 400% cpu
407 2010-12-04 01:33:22 <xelister> with sdk 2.2, no errors
408 2010-12-04 01:35:08 <xelister> no, wait, I spoken too soon.  On SDK 2.2 same errors.
409 2010-12-04 01:36:15 <Diablo-D3> xelister: confirm crossfire is off
410 2010-12-04 01:36:47 <xelister> $ aticonfig --lsch
411 2010-12-04 01:36:48 <xelister> CrossFire chain for adapter 0, status: disabled
412 2010-12-04 01:37:15 <xelister> k I can restart X to be extra sure..
413 2010-12-04 01:37:22 <Diablo-D3> I would laugh
414 2010-12-04 01:37:26 <Diablo-D3> if his 5970 is efective
415 2010-12-04 01:37:31 <Diablo-D3> *defective
416 2010-12-04 01:38:31 <brocktice> sorry I haven't been following
417 2010-12-04 01:38:37 <brocktice> Is he using 10.10+ yet?
418 2010-12-04 01:38:43 <Diablo-D3> no
419 2010-12-04 01:38:46 <Diablo-D3> hes not even using a real driver
420 2010-12-04 01:38:50 <Diablo-D3> its that ubuntu-only beta driver
421 2010-12-04 01:38:53 <brocktice> well, then there's not much point, is there?
422 2010-12-04 01:38:57 <Diablo-D3> its nine and a half
423 2010-12-04 01:39:00 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: yeah but
424 2010-12-04 01:39:03 <Diablo-D3> look at the new output
425 2010-12-04 01:39:06 <brocktice> How hard is it to apt-get remove fglrx?
426 2010-12-04 01:39:07 <brocktice> oh
427 2010-12-04 01:39:08 <Diablo-D3> it proves shis shit is outputting shit
428 2010-12-04 01:39:13 <brocktice> could still be drivers
429 2010-12-04 01:39:17 <Diablo-D3> it is
430 2010-12-04 01:39:21 <Diablo-D3> but it proves its not my shit
431 2010-12-04 01:39:29 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: I don't think anyone but him thought it was yours
432 2010-12-04 01:40:33 <Diablo-D3> yeah its just him
433 2010-12-04 01:40:39 <Diablo-D3> no one else can replicate the bug
434 2010-12-04 01:40:46 <Diablo-D3> and if crossfire is off, it can only be the driver
435 2010-12-04 01:41:19 <brocktice> Don't forget memtestCL
436 2010-12-04 01:41:35 <Diablo-D3> well Im assuming its not driver failure yet
437 2010-12-04 01:41:37 <Diablo-D3> er
438 2010-12-04 01:41:42 <Diablo-D3> well Im assuming its not hardware failure yet
439 2010-12-04 01:41:53 <Diablo-D3> if he updates to 10.10 and then its still fucked
440 2010-12-04 01:41:55 <Diablo-D3> its hardware
441 2010-12-04 01:42:00 <brocktice> sure
442 2010-12-04 01:48:14 <Diablo-D3> you know
443 2010-12-04 01:48:18 <Diablo-D3> bttf was one of the best trilogies ever
444 2010-12-04 01:50:29 <xelister> Diablo-D3: well, xfire is for sure disabled
445 2010-12-04 01:50:38 <xelister> and still it generates invalid blocks
446 2010-12-04 01:50:46 <xelister> did anyone ever tested Diablo-D3's miner on 5970 ?
447 2010-12-04 01:51:19 <brocktice> xelister: I did, didn't have great luck
448 2010-12-04 01:51:36 <brocktice> xelister: change your drivers
449 2010-12-04 01:51:46 <xelister> brocktice: what do you mean with no luck?
450 2010-12-04 01:51:52 <brocktice> xelister: which ubuntu version and platform?
451 2010-12-04 01:51:57 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: wait, what do you mean you didnt have luck?
452 2010-12-04 01:51:58 <brocktice> xelister: I mean it ran pretty slowly for me
453 2010-12-04 01:52:03 <xelister> brocktice: can you try latest diablo's miner git, and see do you have invalid bocls too
454 2010-12-04 01:52:04 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: you forgot to use -a?
455 2010-12-04 01:52:10 <xelister> brocktice: oh, did it run say, x2 slower?
456 2010-12-04 01:52:13 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: No I think I did use it
457 2010-12-04 01:52:15 <brocktice> xelister: no
458 2010-12-04 01:52:19 <brocktice> xelister: just slower than m0's
459 2010-12-04 01:52:20 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: are you SURE you did?
460 2010-12-04 01:52:27 <Diablo-D3> try with newest git now
461 2010-12-04 01:52:32 <xelister> brocktice: can you please try again
462 2010-12-04 01:52:53 <brocktice> xelister: can you please upgrade your driver?
463 2010-12-04 01:53:03 <brocktice> is it 10.04 on x86_64?
464 2010-12-04 01:53:09 <brocktice> Because I can even give you the damn .debs
465 2010-12-04 01:53:23 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: try my miner again
466 2010-12-04 01:53:35 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: I have my own miner running perfectly well right now
467 2010-12-04 01:54:12 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: oh fine
468 2010-12-04 01:54:15 <brocktice> where's the damn git again?
469 2010-12-04 01:54:25 <brocktice> nm
470 2010-12-04 01:54:26 <brocktice> found it
471 2010-12-04 01:54:38 <Diablo-D3> https://github.com/Diablo-D3/DiabloMiner
472 2010-12-04 01:54:39 <Diablo-D3> heh
473 2010-12-04 01:54:49 <Diablo-D3> I had to find my firefox window dedicated for this
474 2010-12-04 01:55:21 <brocktice> what is it, mvn pkg something something
475 2010-12-04 01:55:46 <Diablo-D3> mvn package
476 2010-12-04 01:55:48 <brocktice> If I can solve this to xelister's face
477 2010-12-04 01:56:04 <brocktice> works with 2.1 right?
478 2010-12-04 01:56:06 <Diablo-D3> and then just do ./DiabloMiner-Linux.sh -u foo -p bar -a
479 2010-12-04 01:56:09 <Diablo-D3> yes, I recommend 2.1
480 2010-12-04 01:56:28 <Diablo-D3> might wanna fiddle with -w for maximum speed, but meh
481 2010-12-04 01:56:51 <brocktice> ok
482 2010-12-04 01:57:04 <brocktice> starting
483 2010-12-04 01:57:17 <brocktice> nullpointerexception?
484 2010-12-04 01:57:30 <brocktice> when it tried to build on the second of four cores
485 2010-12-04 01:57:44 <Diablo-D3> pastebin
486 2010-12-04 01:57:52 <brocktice> oh
487 2010-12-04 01:57:56 <brocktice> are you still using m0's getwork?
488 2010-12-04 01:58:01 <Diablo-D3> yes
489 2010-12-04 01:58:03 <Diablo-D3> I was about to say that
490 2010-12-04 01:58:05 <brocktice> ah that's the problem
491 2010-12-04 01:58:08 <Diablo-D3> I still dont use satoshi's yet
492 2010-12-04 01:58:09 <brocktice> it's barfing in getwork stuff
493 2010-12-04 01:59:22 <brocktice> damn it takes a long time to download the whole block chain
494 2010-12-04 01:59:34 <brocktice> In this case it should be doing it over the local network too, I think
495 2010-12-04 01:59:53 <Diablo-D3> I should go look at satoshi's shit
496 2010-12-04 02:01:18 <genjix> what's that field to do with usability and GUI interfaces called?
497 2010-12-04 02:01:49 <brocktice> HCI
498 2010-12-04 02:01:55 <brocktice> human computer interaction I think
499 2010-12-04 02:02:17 <genjix> Thank you!
500 2010-12-04 02:02:26 <genjix> exactly
501 2010-12-04 02:02:28 <Diablo-D3> no
502 2010-12-04 02:02:44 <genjix> doesnt happen often that I find the exact word 1st try on irc :)
503 2010-12-04 02:02:47 <Diablo-D3> hci is technically more physical related
504 2010-12-04 02:03:00 <genjix> oh really?
505 2010-12-04 02:03:07 <Diablo-D3> gui is a subset of hci
506 2010-12-04 02:03:45 <genjix> ok thanks
507 2010-12-04 02:04:12 <Diablo-D3> and hci is somewhere between ergonomics and industrial design
508 2010-12-04 02:04:15 <Diablo-D3> so meh
509 2010-12-04 02:05:16 <Diablo-D3> Im trying to think of what ms and apple call it
510 2010-12-04 02:05:38 <genjix> not too important. just writing a design doc for my app
511 2010-12-04 02:05:43 <genjix> on github
512 2010-12-04 02:10:35 <Diablo-D3> bleh I cant think of it
513 2010-12-04 02:10:39 <Diablo-D3> but theres another good term for it
514 2010-12-04 02:11:53 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: I know what you're thinking of
515 2010-12-04 02:12:00 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: I can't remember what it's called either
516 2010-12-04 02:12:06 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: I think there are different names for it
517 2010-12-04 02:12:11 <brocktice> Android has one too
518 2010-12-04 02:12:14 <Diablo-D3> HIG
519 2010-12-04 02:12:20 <brocktice> yeah
520 2010-12-04 02:12:20 <xelister> brocktice: well, how to update it?
521 2010-12-04 02:12:22 <Diablo-D3> human interface guidelines
522 2010-12-04 02:12:37 <xelister> brocktice: Im on ubuntu 10.10 x64
523 2010-12-04 02:12:56 <brocktice> xelister: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx
524 2010-12-04 02:13:09 <Diablo-D3> I do _not_ recommend using the .bin from amd to install fglrx
525 2010-12-04 02:13:24 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: you can use it to build .debs
526 2010-12-04 02:13:43 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: the debs arent compatible with debian or ubuntu ones
527 2010-12-04 02:13:52 <Diablo-D3> so you cant just install them and expect apt-get to cope
528 2010-12-04 02:13:56 <xelister> where to get deb if the correct fglrx for ubuntu 10.10 x64?
529 2010-12-04 02:14:11 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: it worked fine for me with dpkg -i
530 2010-12-04 02:14:25 <Diablo-D3> xelister: file a bug.
531 2010-12-04 02:14:26 <brocktice> ati-script.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/maverick
532 2010-12-04 02:14:48 <brocktice> then dpkg -i fglrx*8.783*.deb
533 2010-12-04 02:14:56 <brocktice> after apt-get remove fglrx of course
534 2010-12-04 02:15:38 <xelister> brocktice: so, are you trying out Diablo-D3's miner?
535 2010-12-04 02:15:47 <brocktice> xelister: no
536 2010-12-04 02:15:56 <brocktice> xelister: he needs to patch it for satoshi's getwork
537 2010-12-04 02:16:32 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: just build one with m0's patch
538 2010-12-04 02:16:51 <Diablo-D3> I wont be fixing my stuff to use satoshi's right this second
539 2010-12-04 02:18:01 <xelister> brocktice: do you want a one liner to get/patch/build/run m0m's bitcoind?
540 2010-12-04 02:18:09 <brocktice> nope
541 2010-12-04 02:18:24 <brocktice> I'm going to bed
542 2010-12-04 02:18:27 <brocktice> good luck
543 2010-12-04 02:18:31 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: but dont you want to prove xelister worng?
544 2010-12-04 02:18:34 <xelister> well thanks.. we will need it ;)
545 2010-12-04 02:18:42 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: not as much as I want to sleep
546 2010-12-04 02:19:13 <xelister> 1) not me, but Ubuntu
547 2010-12-04 02:19:19 <xelister> 2) it can be still bug in Diablo-D3's miner
548 2010-12-04 02:19:32 <xelister> Diablo-D3: do you yet have anyone running your miner on 5970?
549 2010-12-04 02:19:46 <Diablo-D3> xelister: dunno
550 2010-12-04 02:20:08 <xelister> perhaps you do something stupid there by mistake, that affects only 2 or more cores/devices
551 2010-12-04 02:20:20 <Diablo-D3> nope.
552 2010-12-04 02:20:20 <xelister> like, always send hash from the 1st device even if found on 2nd and so on
553 2010-12-04 02:21:33 <Diablo-D3> look at the code
554 2010-12-04 02:21:37 <Diablo-D3> that'd be impossible to setup
555 2010-12-04 02:21:39 <xelister> I look
556 2010-12-04 02:21:48 <xelister> a commnet line here and there would be nicer
557 2010-12-04 02:21:50 <Diablo-D3> the getwork instance is owned by the executor instance
558 2010-12-04 02:22:11 <xelister> you have 0 lines of comments besides of credits/license :(
559 2010-12-04 02:22:27 <xelister> well lets try add more debug and shit to it?
560 2010-12-04 02:23:04 <Diablo-D3> code that is written well does not need comments
561 2010-12-04 02:23:10 <Diablo-D3> and no, this doesnt need more debug
562 2010-12-04 02:23:38 <xelister> you don't wont so sound like arrogant ass coder that rejects any possibility of bug in own code
563 2010-12-04 02:23:42 <xelister> *to
564 2010-12-04 02:26:02 <Diablo-D3> you mean besides the many hours proving that my implementation is correct?
565 2010-12-04 02:27:26 <xelister> some errors can be corner case
566 2010-12-04 02:27:54 <xelister> either good developer like you made a bug in the miner,  that shows only for 5970 (only 2 cores GPU),
567 2010-12-04 02:28:14 <Diablo-D3> except look how the code is written
568 2010-12-04 02:28:17 <xelister> or some totall experts on Radeons - fglrx developers - made a bug
569 2010-12-04 02:28:26 <Diablo-D3> the different executor threads do not share any data
570 2010-12-04 02:28:33 <Diablo-D3> xelister: YOU'RE USING A KNOWN BUGGY DRIVER
571 2010-12-04 02:28:38 <Diablo-D3> A _KNOWN_ BUGGY DRIVER
572 2010-12-04 02:28:39 <xelister> Diablo-D3: this bug is known?
573 2010-12-04 02:28:41 <xelister> url?
574 2010-12-04 02:28:43 <Diablo-D3> yes!
575 2010-12-04 02:28:56 <Diablo-D3> do not use ubuntu beta drivers that amd leaks to ubuntu
576 2010-12-04 02:28:56 <xelister> ok then url to bug description please
577 2010-12-04 02:29:03 <Diablo-D3> nope.
578 2010-12-04 02:29:04 <Diablo-D3> no url
579 2010-12-04 02:29:06 <Diablo-D3> I am not google
580 2010-12-04 02:29:12 <Diablo-D3> I already told you the fix
581 2010-12-04 02:29:13 <Diablo-D3> do it
582 2010-12-04 02:29:56 <xelister> install the other driver?
583 2010-12-04 02:30:06 <Diablo-D3> install 10.10
584 2010-12-04 02:30:08 <xelister> but then it would suck if it gets me in trouble with using my desktop
585 2010-12-04 02:30:10 <Diablo-D3> ubuntu must have debs for it somewhere
586 2010-12-04 02:33:04 <xelister> ok but you told me this bug is known? So what is this bug then? You seen it described? Or you just ment that the ubuntu beta driver is overall poor quality and you suspect it to cause this opencl problem?
587 2010-12-04 02:39:11 <xelister> Diablo-D3: how about 10.11 driver, would you recommend it?
588 2010-12-04 02:39:17 <Diablo-D3> sure, why not
589 2010-12-04 02:39:50 <Diablo-D3> xelister: the bug is ubuntu is a bunch of fags who DEMAND AMD hand over broken drivers so they can package them and ship them out
590 2010-12-04 02:39:52 <donis> ss
591 2010-12-04 02:40:09 <xelister> "ATI Catalyst" Technology"
592 2010-12-04 02:40:12 <xelister> "Performance, Innovation, and Stability"
593 2010-12-04 02:40:14 <xelister> :-&
594 2010-12-04 02:40:35 <xelister> Robust stability      * ATI Catalyst drivers are Microsoft WHQL-certified, and include rigorously tested Linux drivers to deliver the industry's most stable and reliable graphics performance.
595 2010-12-04 02:40:37 <xelister> :-& :-&
596 2010-12-04 02:41:40 <xelister> speaking of fags,
597 2010-12-04 02:41:52 <Diablo-D3> anyhow
598 2010-12-04 02:41:54 <xelister> Diablo-D3: wanna join me in bounty on Flash developers heads?
599 2010-12-04 02:42:05 <xelister> 1000 btc o/
600 2010-12-04 02:42:08 <Diablo-D3> heh
601 2010-12-04 02:42:18 <Diablo-D3> I hated flash longer than you knew what it was
602 2010-12-04 02:43:06 <xelister> damn, where is that stupid driver file
603 2010-12-04 02:44:57 <xelister> I cant find 10.10 drivers on amd site.
604 2010-12-04 02:45:03 <xelister> http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx  -> fill in form -> get nothing. wtf
605 2010-12-04 02:46:18 <Diablo-D3> http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx?type=2.4.1&product=2.4.1.3.42&lang=English
606 2010-12-04 02:46:19 <Diablo-D3> ding
607 2010-12-04 02:46:40 <xelister> I click display results -> nothing
608 2010-12-04 02:49:07 <xelister> it worked on other firefox profile... jesus.
609 2010-12-04 02:49:30 <xelister> Diablo-D3: what *ding* it shows a 10.11 download
610 2010-12-04 02:49:43 <Diablo-D3> for linux.
611 2010-12-04 02:49:44 <xelister> if you click "Previous Drivers and Software" then it sends back an .aspx file (badly written script shit?)
612 2010-12-04 02:50:05 <Diablo-D3> aspx == asp.net
613 2010-12-04 02:50:16 <xelister> ok fuck this shit, hand editing the URL for the win
614 2010-12-04 02:50:18 <xelister> https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ati-driver-installer-10-10-x86.x86_64.run
615 2010-12-04 02:50:35 <Diablo-D3> I suspect your on drugs, xelister
616 2010-12-04 02:50:41 <Diablo-D3> I go to that url and see a download link button
617 2010-12-04 02:50:53 <Diablo-D3> I click it, it downloads the run file
618 2010-12-04 02:50:59 <xelister> Diablo-D3: it is a link to 10.11 driver, not to 10.10
619 2010-12-04 02:51:07 <Diablo-D3> yes, its 10.11
620 2010-12-04 02:51:08 <Diablo-D3> use it
621 2010-12-04 02:51:20 <xelister> yeah I asked you should we use 10.11 and you said nothig
622 2010-12-04 02:51:35 <xelister> will it work with X and shit that is in ubuntu maverick though?
623 2010-12-04 02:52:55 <Diablo-D3> try it and find out
624 2010-12-04 02:53:30 <xelister> mhm... I probably will... have to hit the bed now
625 2010-12-04 02:53:46 <xelister> btw I will not have access to 5970 soon, so last chance to test your miner on 5970 linux
626 2010-12-04 02:54:14 <xelister> (after this weekend, I will have 5970 probably in mid 2011 or so)
627 2010-12-04 02:54:47 <theymos> ICANN responds to the torrent takedown controversy: http://blog.icann.org/2010/12/icann-doesn%E2%80%99t-take-down-websites/ I believe that they didn't take down the site, but this still seems like a weak response.
628 2010-12-04 02:54:50 <xelister> Diablo-D3: if you would push some more possible debug during next hours, I will test them in around +10 h from now.  Thanks, cu
629 2010-12-04 02:56:01 <Diablo-D3> xelister: this has already BEEN debugged
630 2010-12-04 02:56:03 <Diablo-D3> it is driver issue
631 2010-12-04 02:56:08 <Diablo-D3> no one else is having this problem
632 2010-12-04 02:56:46 <Diablo-D3> xelister: are you sure crossfire is off? my miner should list two devices found
633 2010-12-04 03:33:01 <Kiba> apperantly, Satoshi mean Ash in Japanese
634 2010-12-04 03:36:25 <Kiba> or it could mean wise, fast learner..hmm
635 2010-12-04 03:36:44 <Diablo-D3> or it could be a common japanese name
636 2010-12-04 03:36:50 <Diablo-D3> OH HOOO IT ISSSSSS
637 2010-12-04 03:37:21 <theymos> Does Nakamoto have any significance? I've always thought it was a pseudonym.
638 2010-12-04 03:37:34 <Kiba> Nakamoto is apperantly a common last name too
639 2010-12-04 03:38:13 <Diablo-D3> I mean, the guy might as well be called john smith
640 2010-12-04 03:39:21 <Kiba> then the genderbendered version of Satoshi might as well have an ordinary name
641 2010-12-04 03:39:31 <Kiba> Akira Nakamoto
642 2010-12-04 03:39:46 <Kiba> MUHAHAHAH
643 2010-12-04 03:40:23 <Diablo-D3> akira isnt exactly a female name
644 2010-12-04 03:40:50 <Kiba> it's unisex
645 2010-12-04 03:41:08 <Kiba> Haruka
646 2010-12-04 03:41:09 <Diablo-D3> hmm, a chick named akira
647 2010-12-04 03:41:28 <Kiba> it's only common names
648 2010-12-04 03:41:38 <Kiba> Haruka is female, it means "far off"
649 2010-12-04 03:41:48 <theymos> His PGP key was created a month before the project was first announced, and he's totally unknown before that. This makes me strongly suspect that he carefully planned the Satoshi identity beforehand (like all other aspects of Bitcoin).
650 2010-12-04 03:42:26 <Kiba> the unintended effect is that some western artist decide to genderbend Satoshi just for fun.
651 2010-12-04 03:43:06 <Kiba> hey
652 2010-12-04 03:43:18 <Kiba> we're just discussing how to name a genderbended Satoshi Nakamoto
653 2010-12-04 03:44:54 <Diablo-D3> theymos: who knows
654 2010-12-04 03:44:57 <Diablo-D3> maybe I dont exist either
655 2010-12-04 03:47:51 <Kiba> Diablo-D3: you're a fiagment of Satoshi's imagination
656 2010-12-04 03:48:10 <Diablo-D3> I doubt it
657 2010-12-04 03:48:13 <Diablo-D3> hes probably one of mine
658 2010-12-04 03:49:13 <Kiba> Generally, it's a fiagment of a Japanese high schooler
659 2010-12-04 03:49:18 <Kiba> 's imagination
660 2010-12-04 03:58:50 <theymos> Kiba: What is the plot of your Satoshi comic?
661 2010-12-04 03:59:07 <MT`AwAy> [13:33:02] <Kiba> apperantly, Satoshi mean Ash in Japanese <- no
662 2010-12-04 03:59:17 <MT`AwAy> it's just the pokemon character which was called like that
663 2010-12-04 03:59:29 <MT`AwAy> well, at least "Satoshi" is a common name here
664 2010-12-04 03:59:41 <Kiba> theymos: there is a plot?
665 2010-12-04 04:00:00 <theymos> Kiba: Weren't you going to create an entire graphic novel?
666 2010-12-04 04:00:10 <Kiba> maybe
667 2010-12-04 04:00:14 <Kiba> I got other ideas for a graphic novel
668 2010-12-04 04:00:39 <Kiba> EPIC battle on a dyson sphere
669 2010-12-04 04:00:49 <MT`AwAy> anyway it is evident that Satoshi is not even close to be japanese
670 2010-12-04 04:01:09 <Kiba> timezone theory, MT`AwAy?
671 2010-12-04 04:01:19 <MT`AwAy> Kiba: cultural theory
672 2010-12-04 04:01:29 <Kiba> cultural theory?
673 2010-12-04 04:01:47 <Kiba> explain your theory of Satoshi
674 2010-12-04 04:01:47 <MT`AwAy> and the fact the bitcoin client, the bitcoin website and everything related to bitcoin has not even a single piece of japanese
675 2010-12-04 04:02:06 <MT`AwAy> Kiba: I do not know who Satoshi is, but I can tell almost for sure he's not Japanese
676 2010-12-04 04:02:32 <MT`AwAy> or if he is japanese he never lived with other japanese people
677 2010-12-04 04:02:50 <theymos> You don't think his parents are Japanese emigrants?
678 2010-12-04 04:02:52 <Kiba> Japan isn't conducive to generating bitcoin?
679 2010-12-04 04:03:18 <MT`AwAy> Kiba: for now I only saw 3 people in japan using bitcoins on irc/forum, and they all are people from other countries
680 2010-12-04 04:03:26 <Kiba> true dat
681 2010-12-04 04:03:55 <MT`AwAy> theymos: they may be some of those japanese that went to brazil years ago, but I don't think they'd still give a japanese first name to their children
682 2010-12-04 04:04:00 <Kiba> or maybe this is a gambit to trick us to think he's not Japanese
683 2010-12-04 04:04:16 <MT`AwAy> anyway it is unlikely Satoshi would disclose his real identity while everything else is hidden
684 2010-12-04 04:04:34 <Kiba> MT`AwAy: well, it'll be fun
685 2010-12-04 04:04:47 <Kiba> I think Satoshi is old. He still use subversion.
686 2010-12-04 04:04:59 <MT`AwAy> Kiba: I'm a coder and already worked with tons of japanese people here, and the way the code is made is also completly different from anything I ever saw in japan (but not so different from more western stuff)
687 2010-12-04 04:05:04 <MT`AwAy> Kiba: I still use subversion too :D
688 2010-12-04 04:05:24 <theymos> I like the pseudonym theory the best. It's so much cooler for someone to have a secret identity than just a boring name.
689 2010-12-04 04:05:39 <MT`AwAy> oh and finally, japanese people tend to write their last name first, especially on copyright notices (even in english), hence it should be "Nakamoto Satoshi"
690 2010-12-04 04:05:40 <Kiba> theymos: and we get to twist it into a mythology!
691 2010-12-04 04:07:35 <MT`AwAy> anyway given all that, I'm 99% positive Satoshi is not japanese
692 2010-12-04 04:07:55 <Kiba> you never identified an anonymous person as not Japanese are you?
693 2010-12-04 04:08:00 <Kiba> it would be an interesting bitpredict
694 2010-12-04 04:08:02 <Kiba> claim
695 2010-12-04 04:09:58 <MT`AwAy> by the way who made the chinese translations of the bitcoin website?
696 2010-12-04 04:10:09 <Kiba> I don't know
697 2010-12-04 04:10:39 <theymos> They were contributed by someone in the translations forum thread, IIRC.
698 2010-12-04 04:11:30 <Kiba> the other mystery is just who the heck run mybitcoin
699 2010-12-04 04:12:10 <theymos> I can say with high certainty that it's the same people who run PrivacyShark. They were both created at around the same time, and they're in the same city.
700 2010-12-04 04:12:41 <MT`AwAy> the whois hints at country KN, which might be just exact (the other infos might not, however)
701 2010-12-04 04:13:15 <Kiba> KN?
702 2010-12-04 04:13:32 <MT`AwAy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Kitts_and_Nevis
703 2010-12-04 04:13:52 <MT`AwAy> the po box is likely to exist there, and likely to redirect to another country
704 2010-12-04 04:14:24 <theymos> Indeed, it says on both sites that it's located in Charlestown, Nevis, W.I.
705 2010-12-04 04:14:32 <MT`AwAy> by the way the domain bitcoin.org was registered by "Anonymous Speech LLC" which claims to be in Japan, close to where I live
706 2010-12-04 04:15:02 <MT`AwAy> however I don't believe they are really in Japan
707 2010-12-04 04:15:25 <Kiba> WOAH
708 2010-12-04 04:15:29 <Kiba> this feel like a...
709 2010-12-04 04:15:52 <Kiba> THIS IS AWESOME!
710 2010-12-04 04:16:08 <MT`AwAy> I checked the address and there's nothing else
711 2010-12-04 04:16:34 <MT`AwAy> also the address contains "Sakura House" which is the name of a famous guest house company in Japan (famous with strangers, not with japanese ppl)
712 2010-12-04 04:16:34 <theymos> Anonymous Speech is just a service like Domains By Proxy. It doesn't tell us anything.
713 2010-12-04 04:16:52 <MT`AwAy> theymos: yep, but they have the same amount of mistery about them
714 2010-12-04 04:17:06 <Kiba> As long Satoshi doesn't do anything other than develop
715 2010-12-04 04:17:09 <Kiba> he will stay a mystery
716 2010-12-04 04:17:28 <Kiba> Don't say too much. Don't say anything.
717 2010-12-04 04:17:30 <MT`AwAy> Kiba: and I believe he purposely only post short changelogs
718 2010-12-04 04:17:58 <MT`AwAy> ok, I just asked a chinese friend
719 2010-12-04 04:18:02 <theymos> The changelogs are accurate. Not much is changed with each version. I verify each SVN commit for my mailing list changelogs.
720 2010-12-04 04:18:06 <MT`AwAy> he can't read bitcoin.org's chinese version at all
721 2010-12-04 04:18:18 <MT`AwAy> oh
722 2010-12-04 04:18:24 <Kiba> MT`AwAy: it's probably stuck into a google translate
723 2010-12-04 04:18:26 <Kiba> machine
724 2010-12-04 04:18:31 <MT`AwAy> sorry, he can
725 2010-12-04 04:18:45 <Kiba> Bad or good?
726 2010-12-04 04:18:48 <MT`AwAy> he started by "What The Fuck" and stuff like that
727 2010-12-04 04:18:51 <MT`AwAy> it's incredible
728 2010-12-04 04:19:44 <Kiba> if you're going to change the world, you invent something like bitcoin
729 2010-12-04 04:19:53 <Diablo-D3> you know whats fun?
730 2010-12-04 04:20:01 <Diablo-D3> listening to japanese people swear in english
731 2010-12-04 04:20:05 <MT`AwAy> I'm thinking of writing a new bitcoin client from scratch
732 2010-12-04 04:20:07 <MT`AwAy> Diablo-D3: haha :D
733 2010-12-04 04:20:14 <Kiba> I saw a twit by a Chinese person
734 2010-12-04 04:20:40 <Kiba> Can you translate your friend's Chinese utterance for us?
735 2010-12-04 04:21:39 <Kiba> MT`AwAy: you're Magical Tuck?
736 2010-12-04 04:22:06 <MT`AwAy> Kiba: yup, MagicalTux
737 2010-12-04 04:22:41 <MT`AwAy> theymos: can you find the translations thread?
738 2010-12-04 04:23:19 <theymos> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=151.msg1661#msg1661 http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=151.msg4927#msg4927
739 2010-12-04 04:24:27 <noagendamarket> I think satoshi is english.
740 2010-12-04 04:24:41 <Kiba> A westerner, essentially.
741 2010-12-04 04:24:48 <noagendamarket> The genesis block points to a UK newspaper story
742 2010-12-04 04:25:34 <theymos> The article is also available online. He created his identity before the genesis block, so he could have chosen an article in the UK to throw people off.
743 2010-12-04 04:26:05 <noagendamarket> Thats possible.
744 2010-12-04 04:26:30 <MT`AwAy> (btw the french bitcoin client translation is wrong)
745 2010-12-04 04:26:37 <noagendamarket> The reality is sometimes completely mundane
746 2010-12-04 04:26:51 <theymos> Not if you have the right attitude!
747 2010-12-04 04:27:29 <Kiba> my personal theory: Satoshi Nakamoto is actually the world famous _why
748 2010-12-04 04:27:44 <MT`AwAy> anyway satoshi might be around us right here, he might be on this channel and laughing at our futile attempts to guess his country in his spacecraft
749 2010-12-04 04:27:54 <Diablo-D3> oh speaking of which
750 2010-12-04 04:27:59 <dwdollar> I think he used the term 'bloody' in one of his posts on the forum...
751 2010-12-04 04:28:06 <Diablo-D3> new ep of psg is out
752 2010-12-04 04:28:08 <dwdollar> that sounds English
753 2010-12-04 04:28:09 <Kiba> psg?
754 2010-12-04 04:28:17 <Diablo-D3> gainax's new show.
755 2010-12-04 04:28:25 <Kiba> ?
756 2010-12-04 04:28:52 <Kiba> dwdollar: if he's english, he would use s in place of z in zation
757 2010-12-04 04:29:03 <dwdollar> hehe...
758 2010-12-04 04:29:11 <dwdollar> the mystery continues
759 2010-12-04 04:29:29 <MT`AwAy> s and z are not that far on qwerty
760 2010-12-04 04:30:16 <Kiba> Satoshi is on a mission
761 2010-12-04 04:31:18 <dwdollar> http://www.zerohedge.com/article/goldman-sack-blows-whistle-jp-morgue-silver-manipulation-scheme
762 2010-12-04 04:31:33 <theymos> I wonder if he purposefully tries to distort his writing style. I noticed that he sometimes makes minor grammatical errors: this is one strategy I've used when trying to alter my writing style for anonymity.
763 2010-12-04 04:31:52 <dwdollar> Those Xtranormal cartoons are hilarious
764 2010-12-04 04:32:08 <MT`AwAy> Kiba: btw you can prefix my name with a @ on twitter
765 2010-12-04 04:32:29 <genjix> satoshi illuminati
766 2010-12-04 04:32:55 <Kiba> oh man
767 2010-12-04 04:32:57 <Kiba> this is fun.
768 2010-12-04 04:34:13 <Diablo-D3> I would like to make it known that
769 2010-12-04 04:34:23 <Diablo-D3> japan scares the almighty fuck out of me
770 2010-12-04 04:34:35 <Kiba> hey
771 2010-12-04 04:34:42 <Kiba> we were just spectulating on Satoshi's real identity
772 2010-12-04 04:35:49 <Kiba> ;;bc,calc 150000
773 2010-12-04 04:35:50 <Diablo-D3> yes, and Im watching the newest ep of psg
774 2010-12-04 04:35:52 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 150000 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 2 days, 16 hours, 15 minutes, and 3 seconds
775 2010-12-04 04:36:02 <Kiba> Diablo-D3: what is PSG, damnit?
776 2010-12-04 04:36:06 <theymos> Wow! The pool actually does split coins in the generation transaction. See: http://blockexplorer.com/b/95420
777 2010-12-04 04:36:08 <Diablo-D3> Kiba: gainax's new show
778 2010-12-04 04:36:29 <Kiba> an anime...
779 2010-12-04 04:36:34 <Diablo-D3> yes.
780 2010-12-04 04:37:19 <Kiba> Panty and Stocking with Explosive Diarrhea
781 2010-12-04 04:37:59 <Diablo-D3> fail.
782 2010-12-04 04:39:03 <noagendamarket> actually bloody is more of an australian expression lol
783 2010-12-04 04:39:26 <Kiba> AUstrialian?
784 2010-12-04 04:40:09 <xelister> Diablo-D3:
785 2010-12-04 04:40:38 <xelister> + bash DiabloMiner-Linux.sh -f 120 -u bc -p x -w 128 -a
786 2010-12-04 04:40:39 <xelister> Added Cypress (20 CU, 1x vector, local work size of 128)
787 2010-12-04 04:40:41 <xelister> Added Cypress (20 CU, 1x vector, local work size of 128)
788 2010-12-04 04:40:42 <xelister> Started at Dec 4, 2010 4:46:11 AM
789 2010-12-04 04:40:44 <xelister> 522971 khash/sec
790 2010-12-04 04:40:47 <xelister> so yea, xfire is off. and still bad results
791 2010-12-04 04:40:52 <xelister> will try new version later perhaps
792 2010-12-04 04:41:06 <Kiba> wee! In 2 days, we will generate a bitcoin!
793 2010-12-04 04:43:01 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,calc 75000
794 2010-12-04 04:43:01 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 75000 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 5 days, 8 hours, 30 minutes, and 7 seconds
795 2010-12-04 04:43:31 <Diablo-D3> so basically never
796 2010-12-04 04:43:48 <noagendamarket> well the khash has gone up to 139 000
797 2010-12-04 04:44:22 <Kiba> it functulate, noagendamarket
798 2010-12-04 04:44:35 <noagendamarket> yeah it seems to go up and down
799 2010-12-04 04:44:40 <Kiba> for some reason, I am geting 800 then 200 then 500
800 2010-12-04 04:44:47 <noagendamarket> whats the go with that?
801 2010-12-04 04:45:01 <noagendamarket> hope i dont generate when my khash is 200 lol
802 2010-12-04 04:45:09 <Kiba> so now we have a slowball chance in hell to generate bitcoin
803 2010-12-04 04:45:48 <noagendamarket> why is that happening?
804 2010-12-04 04:46:35 <Kiba> don't know
805 2010-12-04 04:46:39 <Kiba> ask in the forum
806 2010-12-04 04:49:53 <noagendamarket> ;;bc,calc139000
807 2010-12-04 04:49:54 <gribble> Error: "bc,calc139000" is not a valid command.
808 2010-12-04 04:50:03 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 139000 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 2 days, 21 hours, 20 minutes, and 8 seconds
809 2010-12-04 04:50:03 <noagendamarket> ;;bc,calc 139000
810 2010-12-04 04:50:14 <noagendamarket> hmm lets hope it uses that lol
811 2010-12-04 04:55:07 <jgarzik> theymos: I was wondering when we'd start to see "interesting" generation transactions
812 2010-12-04 04:56:30 <theymos> I'm surprised no one has started putting messages in generations. You have 100 bytes: put something cool there!
813 2010-12-04 04:56:56 <MT`AwAy> so finally we got people who received less than 0.01 btc (wtf can you buy with 0.00000044 btc?)
814 2010-12-04 04:57:44 <theymos> Bitcoin will actually silently throw away sub-cent portions whenever you happen to select such a coin during sends. So it's really just meaningless.
815 2010-12-04 04:58:27 <genjix> why?
816 2010-12-04 04:58:54 <theymos> You would otherwise send sub-cent change to yourself, which would make your transaction "illegal" to most generators.
817 2010-12-04 04:59:17 <genjix> i thought bitcoin was infinitely divisible?
818 2010-12-04 04:59:34 <genjix> (excuse my ignorance)
819 2010-12-04 04:59:48 <Diablo-D3> no
820 2010-12-04 04:59:50 <Diablo-D3> just 8 places.
821 2010-12-04 04:59:52 <MT`AwAy> genjix: subcent transactions have a 0.01 btc fee to avoid floods
822 2010-12-04 05:00:00 <theymos> 8 decimals is the current technical limit. But generators enforce 2 decimals to prevent flooding.
823 2010-12-04 05:00:12 <genjix> i see
824 2010-12-04 05:00:40 <theymos> You can send sub-0.01 transactions, but it might take a month or more for it to get any confirmations.
825 2010-12-04 05:00:53 <genjix> coolio
826 2010-12-04 05:00:55 <Diablo-D3> lol
827 2010-12-04 05:01:16 <MT`AwAy> theymos: well, actually less if the gpu guys are still accepting them without fees
828 2010-12-04 05:01:34 <theymos> ArtForz has stopped doing that, at least.
829 2010-12-04 05:01:47 <Diablo-D3> hrm
830 2010-12-04 05:01:52 <Diablo-D3> how do I turn the fees up? :D
831 2010-12-04 05:02:16 <theymos> It's not profitable to increase fees if you're the only one doing it.
832 2010-12-04 05:02:34 <Diablo-D3> if it stops people from free riding on the system, it should be done
833 2010-12-04 05:03:05 <MT`AwAy> Diablo-D3: it won't stop them unless everyone does it
834 2010-12-04 05:03:40 <Diablo-D3> okay fine
835 2010-12-04 05:03:47 <Diablo-D3> it stops them from free riding on my coins
836 2010-12-04 05:03:50 <Kiba> how come it will take 103 blocks to mature?
837 2010-12-04 05:04:23 <MT`AwAy> Kiba: takes 120 blocks for generate to mature
838 2010-12-04 05:04:23 <theymos> Kiba: If the block chain forks, the transaction and any based on it would be lost. To avoid "downstream" recipients from losing coins, there's a network-enforced maturation time.
839 2010-12-04 05:08:38 <Kiba> ah, I see.
840 2010-12-04 05:08:47 <Kiba> man, I gottach code myself a bitcoin client someday
841 2010-12-04 05:10:23 <djoot> there's a guy writing a java client
842 2010-12-04 05:10:33 <djoot> or some people... whatever :)
843 2010-12-04 05:16:50 <doublec> wow, the pooled miner actually works
844 2010-12-04 05:17:31 <doublec> I had faith of course ;)
845 2010-12-04 05:18:05 <Kiba> other people didn't join in
846 2010-12-04 05:18:10 <Kiba> so they missed a chance
847 2010-12-04 05:19:34 <MT`AwAy> or they just generated another 50 whole btc
848 2010-12-04 05:19:56 <doublec> hehe, suddenly 10 more miners join the pool
849 2010-12-04 05:20:34 <MT`AwAy> in theory the earnings from the pooled miner and the normal generation are supposed to be the same (except if it takes more than 2 weeks for them to generate one block since difficulty may get higher in the meantime)
850 2010-12-04 05:21:29 <doublec> yes
851 2010-12-04 05:21:54 <doublec> the advantage of the pool is instead of someone waiting 28 weeks for 50 and giving up out of boredom, they get minor increments in a day or two
852 2010-12-04 05:22:18 <MT`AwAy> that is, hoping nobody is cheating
853 2010-12-04 05:23:50 <doublec> my server is pretty close to being cpu maxed out
854 2010-12-04 05:24:04 <doublec> when I move to the new pool server/client I might need to move to a new machine
855 2010-12-04 05:24:14 <Kiba> there is no incentive to cheat if you want bitcoin faster
856 2010-12-04 05:24:53 <MT`AwAy> Kiba: how does the pool decide who gets more or less bitcoins of all those who generates?
857 2010-12-04 05:25:25 <doublec> MT`AwAy, see the first post here: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1458.0
858 2010-12-04 05:25:27 <Kiba> value of hashes, or how many hashes you actually contributed..at least that what doublec told me
859 2010-12-04 05:25:31 <doublec> under 'distribution type'
860 2010-12-04 05:26:05 <doublec> we're using 'connected' because that's all the server supported at the time. I may move to 'contributed' when I upgrade.
861 2010-12-04 05:26:14 <doublec> I'll post about it and ask for opinions
862 2010-12-04 05:27:56 <MT`AwAy> anyway we'll see once the pool client is adapted to gpu
863 2010-12-04 05:28:26 <[Noodles]> on one hand, it removes the lottery/chance-style, at least as far as i understand the 'contributed' way, everyone gets a share, no matter if connected 24/7 or just an hour a day
864 2010-12-04 05:29:07 <[Noodles]> so that's like guaranteed coins, you dont get that from the mainline, so on the other hand, it's a nice advertizer
865 2010-12-04 05:29:34 <[Noodles]> kinda good and bad in both ways
866 2010-12-04 05:30:10 <[Noodles]> gpu-versions would be nice indeed
867 2010-12-04 05:30:30 <MT`AwAy> gpu-versions will ensure cpu ppl don't get much coins from the pool, thru removing interest for those ppl
868 2010-12-04 05:30:54 <[Noodles]> not much, but faster
869 2010-12-04 05:31:28 <[Noodles]> that's what the pool is all about, but ur right, it shouldn't get "to big"
870 2010-12-04 05:31:36 <MT`AwAy> if you get 0.00000044 bitcoins each time, it'll take 22727 blocks to have 0.01 coin
871 2010-12-04 05:32:26 <MT`AwAy> 157 days assuming 100% of the blocks are generated by the pool, or half a year when we are more realistic
872 2010-12-04 05:32:37 <Kiba> but you need more CPU people
873 2010-12-04 05:32:41 <MT`AwAy> ie, the pool works fine now because it is not used by a lot of people, and has no GPU
874 2010-12-04 05:32:46 <theymos> That super small amount was rounding error going to the server.
875 2010-12-04 05:32:49 <Kiba> in a pool
876 2010-12-04 05:33:20 <Kiba> so GPU mining pools need less people, which mean more share
877 2010-12-04 05:34:05 <MT`AwAy> well, for now pooling GPU mining seems pretty much useless
878 2010-12-04 05:34:10 <Kiba> than I am done for now
879 2010-12-04 05:35:06 <[Noodles]> MT: tell people using nvidia-cards ;o)
880 2010-12-04 05:36:12 <MT`AwAy> [Noodles]: changing bitcoin generation profit rules might have more impact
881 2010-12-04 05:37:03 <MT`AwAy> it'll have people who bought expensive hardware not happy, however :p
882 2010-12-04 05:38:38 <[Noodles]> no, i meant you should tell it to those people that use nvidia, that pooled GPU mining is useless, they might disagree
883 2010-12-04 05:40:31 <[Noodles]> mine hasnt found any blocks in the last...2weeks, not that i would care, but for newcomers, its just like with the mainline, it might be nice to know that it actually works
884 2010-12-04 05:41:00 <[Noodles]> and get something in a day or so, not within weeks
885 2010-12-04 05:41:39 <MT`AwAy> the pooled server could reject clients with too many hashes/sec
886 2010-12-04 05:42:21 <[Noodles]> could be an option, that way, server-admins could offer CPU and GPU pools
887 2010-12-04 05:42:43 <doublec> there's nothing wrong with a gpu joining the pool
888 2010-12-04 05:42:53 <doublec> it means cpu users get coins more often - just less of them
889 2010-12-04 05:43:08 <doublec> but it'd average out
890 2010-12-04 05:43:13 <[Noodles]> something like that, but i'll take what i get anyway, can't do anything myself beside contributing work
891 2010-12-04 05:43:40 <Kiba> a specialization of bitconers. Some are involved in core bitcoin client work.
892 2010-12-04 05:43:46 <Kiba> some are advertisers for bitcoins
893 2010-12-04 05:43:47 <Foggymyst> Woo hoo!  Pooled generated their first block!
894 2010-12-04 05:43:50 <Kiba> some sponsors bounty
895 2010-12-04 05:44:01 <doublec> there's a limit to the khash that can be contributed to a single server though
896 2010-12-04 05:44:06 <Kiba> some build business on bitcoins
897 2010-12-04 05:44:15 <doublec> based on the server's cpu and network communication overhead
898 2010-12-04 05:44:22 <doublec> Foggymyst, yep!
899 2010-12-04 05:44:24 <[Noodles]> any chance for 4way (for windows) on the remoteminer?
900 2010-12-04 05:44:45 <[Noodles]> that would speed at leasst some cpus up
901 2010-12-04 05:44:47 <doublec> Does 4way really help? Doesn't seem to do much on the standard client for me.
902 2010-12-04 05:45:20 <[Noodles]> for me it does, hashrate on Phenom II X3 main=3800 4way=7200
903 2010-12-04 05:45:32 <doublec> wow, nice
904 2010-12-04 05:45:40 <[Noodles]> thats what i thought ^.^
905 2010-12-04 05:45:46 <doublec> [Noodles], if you add it as an issue in the github repository I'll see what I can do
906 2010-12-04 05:45:47 <doublec> https://github.com/doublec/bitcoin-pool
907 2010-12-04 05:46:00 <Foggymyst> Wait a minute, the Phenoms can use 4-way?
908 2010-12-04 05:46:02 <[Noodles]> nah, not me, as jgarzik ^.^
909 2010-12-04 05:46:05 <Foggymyst> Curious.
910 2010-12-04 05:46:09 <[Noodles]> i'm not a coder at all
911 2010-12-04 05:46:09 <OneFixt> ;;bc,stats
912 2010-12-04 05:46:11 <gribble> Current Blocks: 95441 | Current Difficulty: 8078.19525793 | Next Difficulty At Block: 96767 | Next Difficulty In: 1326 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 21 hours, 10 minutes, and 56 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 10807.93831659
913 2010-12-04 05:46:28 <[Noodles]> Phenoms can use 4way, yes
914 2010-12-04 05:47:24 <[Noodles]> on windows it only works with jgarzik's cpu-miner so far
915 2010-12-04 05:47:50 <Foggymyst> Would anyone find use in a futures market for bitcoin?
916 2010-12-04 05:49:01 <Kiba> I am working on bitpredict
917 2010-12-04 05:49:09 <Foggymyst> Link?
918 2010-12-04 05:49:49 <Kiba> https://github.com/kiba/bitpredict
919 2010-12-04 05:49:52 <Kiba> a prediction market
920 2010-12-04 05:50:08 <Kiba> it will allow anybody to open up their own prediction market
921 2010-12-04 05:50:34 <Foggymyst> Ah, I see.
922 2010-12-04 05:51:58 <MT`AwAy> gah
923 2010-12-04 05:55:49 <MT`AwAy> btw anyone has thoughts on stuff that would be cool to see in bitcoin ?
924 2010-12-04 05:55:54 <MT`AwAy> (in the client)
925 2010-12-04 05:56:22 <[Noodles]> ponys
926 2010-12-04 05:56:22 <theymos> My #1 desired feature: The ability to select exactly which coins to send.
927 2010-12-04 05:56:24 <genjix> MT`AwAy: I had some. hold on
928 2010-12-04 05:56:36 <MT`AwAy> theymos: I'll note that
929 2010-12-04 05:56:37 <genjix> im pm'ed or emailed satoshi.
930 2010-12-04 05:56:45 <doublec> the ability to remove transactions from the display
931 2010-12-04 05:56:55 <doublec> so I don't see "10,000 confirmations for transaction X" all the time
932 2010-12-04 05:56:55 <genjix> when i first joined up... looking for it.
933 2010-12-04 05:56:55 <MT`AwAy> theymos: if only in API it'd be still fine? or you really want a gui for that?
934 2010-12-04 05:57:21 <MT`AwAy> doublec: ok
935 2010-12-04 05:58:47 <MT`AwAy> genjix: I'd be interested to know :)
936 2010-12-04 05:59:49 <genjix> can't find it :( damn.
937 2010-12-04 05:59:49 <[Noodles]> i'd like to change the order of addresses in my address book by clicking the Label tag, scrolling sucks
938 2010-12-04 06:00:05 <genjix> however one thing I remember was using SI prefixes for currency display
939 2010-12-04 06:00:06 <genjix> i.e
940 2010-12-04 06:00:09 <genjix> nBTC
941 2010-12-04 06:00:18 <genjix> ???BTC
942 2010-12-04 06:00:24 <Kiba> MT`AwAy: why hate rails?
943 2010-12-04 06:01:15 <genjix> MT`AwAy: another is ability to generate at a lower level and have it on by default (like 10%(
944 2010-12-04 06:01:26 <Kiba> genjix: what you PM or emailed satoshi for?
945 2010-12-04 06:01:35 <genjix> cos I like to harden the network but im using a laptop and it drives my cpu crazy
946 2010-12-04 06:01:51 <genjix> its when I first found bitcoin, i wasnt a forum member yet
947 2010-12-04 06:01:52 <MT`AwAy> Kiba: last time a customer asked me help with rails the code was so messy with constructs that made no sense, like following an array set brought me to more than 30 different files (I gave up)
948 2010-12-04 06:02:14 <MT`AwAy> genjix: I see
949 2010-12-04 06:02:25 <Kiba> MT`AwAy: must be a HTML/CSS developer converted to rails coding
950 2010-12-04 06:02:44 <Kiba> did game development before doign rails coding
951 2010-12-04 06:02:57 <genjix> MT`AwAy: also put debit/credit on the left hand side
952 2010-12-04 06:03:08 <genjix> those hashes are the least important to me
953 2010-12-04 06:03:25 <MT`AwAy> genjix: I plan to allow reordering/hiding of cols
954 2010-12-04 06:03:31 <genjix> and why are 2 columns needed?
955 2010-12-04 06:03:44 <genjix> My internet banking shows 1 column
956 2010-12-04 06:03:47 <MT`AwAy> (just changing the order would please only a small subset of users)
957 2010-12-04 06:03:50 <genjix> ???10 CR
958 2010-12-04 06:03:55 <MT`AwAy> genjix: some people like two, I'll have both :)
959 2010-12-04 06:03:58 <genjix> ???2 DB
960 2010-12-04 06:04:10 <genjix> :p weirdo
961 2010-12-04 06:05:20 <theymos> Another feature request: importing and exporting keys and transactions to an "ASCII armor" format.
962 2010-12-04 06:05:57 <MT`AwAy> mh
963 2010-12-04 06:06:29 <MT`AwAy> by "keys" you mean "private keys" ?