1 2010-12-14 00:00:30 <KwukDuck> that would be horrible, no control, everything tracked
  2 2010-12-14 00:00:30 <noagendamarket> How much resources does the military industrial complex use? If they are unable to fund themselves by endlessly printing money it will benefit humanity more than anything else
  3 2010-12-14 00:00:57 <gavinandresen> noagendamarket: amen
  4 2010-12-14 00:00:57 <Phoebus> Yeah, I watched the docs on those. They look pretty good. But you have to drive the first one, the rest are programmed to follow.
  5 2010-12-14 00:01:00 <Kiba> KwukDuck: on the flip side, we don't have to deal with the police
  6 2010-12-14 00:01:27 <ArtForz> kinda
  7 2010-12-14 00:01:30 <KwukDuck> kiba, because your every breath is being monitored by in-car cameras and microphones xD
  8 2010-12-14 00:01:32 <Kiba> which mean police are unnecesary to enforce traffic rules...which mean that they are out of their job..which hopefully mean
  9 2010-12-14 00:01:38 <ArtForz> thats the system they're testing on public roads
 10 2010-12-14 00:01:40 <noagendamarket> If they stopped making bombs and concentrated on planting trees
 11 2010-12-14 00:01:51 <noagendamarket> and feeding the worlds hunger
 12 2010-12-14 00:02:01 <noagendamarket> it would be a non issue
 13 2010-12-14 00:02:02 <Kiba> we need interdependence with Africa
 14 2010-12-14 00:02:12 <ArtForz> they actually have ones that follow a pre-set route while doing autonomous collision avoidance
 15 2010-12-14 00:02:34 <noagendamarket> instead we get carbon credits up the ass
 16 2010-12-14 00:02:37 <Kiba> http://danger.mongabay.com/causes_of_death.htm
 17 2010-12-14 00:02:48 <ArtForz> karbon kredits = krap
 18 2010-12-14 00:03:03 <noagendamarket> its just another form of tax
 19 2010-12-14 00:03:04 <Granttt> karbon credits = ponzi scam
 20 2010-12-14 00:03:19 <Kiba> maybe I should start the antideath bitcoin  foundation
 21 2010-12-14 00:03:21 <achristianson> Phoebus: you can't escape economics. I'm all for an economically and environmentally sustainable economy. if our markets are more efficient then we're more capable of living sustainably. it's a matter of resource allocation (in this case, computing resources and electricity). I am unconvinced that the alternative systems of government fiat currencies are more efficient than a system based on bitcoin. if there is an alternative more
 22 2010-12-14 00:03:29 <noagendamarket> lmao kiba
 23 2010-12-14 00:03:57 <Kiba> the funds would be allocated amongst the most common cause of death
 24 2010-12-14 00:04:04 <Phoebus> achristianson, but you can expand economics to include the biosphere - because we depend on it. It's just that most are blind to that fact.
 25 2010-12-14 00:04:20 <noagendamarket> so a serial killer would get lots of bitcoins?
 26 2010-12-14 00:04:22 <Phoebus> achristianson, look into RBE - resource based economy models.
 27 2010-12-14 00:04:35 <noagendamarket> :)-
 28 2010-12-14 00:04:36 <Phoebus> The computation goes directly into observing and analysis the state of the planet - vs wasting cycles.
 29 2010-12-14 00:04:37 <Kiba> and there will be quartery paper anaylsising how effective certain research is
 30 2010-12-14 00:04:57 <Kiba> how would we do economic calculation without money?
 31 2010-12-14 00:05:22 <achristianson> Phoebus: the problem with that (already has been addressed) is that it is much harder to ensure integrity of such systems
 32 2010-12-14 00:05:45 <da2ce7> maybe we could make an anti-bition generator.  It spends bitcoins turning them into power.
 33 2010-12-14 00:05:51 <Phoebus> achristianson, it's well worth trying. The biosphere is of the utmost importance.
 34 2010-12-14 00:06:05 <Kiba> life can survive without us, Phoebus
 35 2010-12-14 00:06:10 <Phoebus> Keeping a stable weather/earth/env chemistry is also.
 36 2010-12-14 00:06:21 <Kiba> I am more worried about human beings murdering each other in an atomic war or something
 37 2010-12-14 00:06:32 <achristianson> Kiba: if bc or other anonymous currencies take off, we might have to play a game of imperfect information. but we're already doing that anyway. do you trust CPI numbers?
 38 2010-12-14 00:07:28 <Kiba> beside, trying to control climate is kinda crazy
 39 2010-12-14 00:07:37 <achristianson> Phoebus: very well. at this point I think it's safe to consider bc a good candidate as a stepping stone in bootstrapping to more efficient systems
 40 2010-12-14 00:08:11 <Phoebus> achristianson, I don't know, I'm cautious. Definitely keeping my eye on it. And it's nice to see alternatives, but I see some insanity in the waste of cpu cycles and power.
 41 2010-12-14 00:08:24 <Kiba> it's not a waste of CPU cycles!
 42 2010-12-14 00:08:29 <Kiba> it secure and make possible bitcoin
 43 2010-12-14 00:08:56 <Granttt> its less of a waste of GPU cycles than having 5million geeks around the world waste theirs on playing world of warcraft :)
 44 2010-12-14 00:09:03 <achristianson> Kiba: agreed. it is hard to justify the assertion that the cycles are waste
 45 2010-12-14 00:09:35 <ArtForz> the total sum of "wasted" CPU cycles is whats keeping someone from creating a completely bogus chain
 46 2010-12-14 00:09:54 <Phoebus> achristianson, you are using massive cycles, to do nothing more than verify integrity. When most problems in science require computation. Do you see the divide?
 47 2010-12-14 00:10:10 <Phoebus> From protein analysis, to coming up with new computing models.
 48 2010-12-14 00:10:52 <ze__> Phoebus and others like him lack non-linear thinking.  If somone wants to mine bitcoins at a cost of electricy, that electricity is not 'wasted.'  The potential for mined btc render greater subjective value percieved by the miner.
 49 2010-12-14 00:10:59 <achristianson> Phoebus: when you begin to dissect the vulnerabilities of such systems, I think you'll see we're led naturally to systems of cryptographic integrity and computation that is far away from anything that might be considered otherwise useful
 50 2010-12-14 00:11:28 <ze__> Phoebus why do you impose your sense of values on others?
 51 2010-12-14 00:11:44 <gavinandresen> Phoebus:  yeah.... it'd be lovely to do protein folding instead of "worthless" hash-finding.  If you figure out how to make that work, let us know.
 52 2010-12-14 00:11:48 <Phoebus> It doesn't make this system better. ze__ linear thinking? What's an example of that? :P Thinking in a box, or connecting the different variables that may ensure or risk our survival? :)
 53 2010-12-14 00:11:51 <Kiba> he want to save the the biosphere so that we live, supposely
 54 2010-12-14 00:11:57 <ArtForz> a simple hash based proof-of-work is obvious and secure as long as the hash algorithm isn't broken
 55 2010-12-14 00:11:58 <Phoebus> gavinandresen, cheers.
 56 2010-12-14 00:12:13 <ArtForz> for more complex proof-of-work systems it gets... considerably more complex
 57 2010-12-14 00:12:48 <Phoebus> gavinandresen, from what I understand, there just needs to be work, that can be accurately recalculated. The problem could be replaced with useful problems. I'll think about it.
 58 2010-12-14 00:12:50 <Kiba> find us a problem that is hard to do computationally, and easy to verify...then we talk.
 59 2010-12-14 00:12:57 <ze__> Linear thinking: assuming someone else's value scales are the same as yours
 60 2010-12-14 00:13:04 <Phoebus> I need to read the whole paper though, when I have less things to do :)
 61 2010-12-14 00:13:06 <ArtForz> well, factoring large integers comes to mind
 62 2010-12-14 00:13:24 <gavinandresen> Phoebus:  NOT accurately re-calculated-- it has to be hard to find the solution, but very easy to verify that the solution is valid.
 63 2010-12-14 00:13:27 <Kiba> prime numbers..isn't that basically useful for cryptographic application?
 64 2010-12-14 00:13:36 <ArtForz> well, factoring prime numbers is easy
 65 2010-12-14 00:13:38 <achristianson> Phoebus: we necessarily must assume a pathological case with respect to trust in actors that are allowed to participate (the whole internet)
 66 2010-12-14 00:13:39 <ArtForz> solution = p
 67 2010-12-14 00:13:50 <lfm> Phoebus: it doesnt make it better, it just allows it to exist in the first place
 68 2010-12-14 00:13:52 <Phoebus> Oh, there's plenty of difficult problems then, hence the demand for computation.
 69 2010-12-14 00:14:06 <da2ce7> checking "IS Prime" is much faster than "Factor"
 70 2010-12-14 00:14:16 <ArtForz> facoring large composite numbers without small factors is a lot hadrer
 71 2010-12-14 00:15:01 <achristianson> Phoebus: take NCAR CAM, for example --we can run this model on our systems today. tell me, how do we verify that the results are correct? without running code that is proven to be untampered?
 72 2010-12-14 00:15:02 <davux> do you know why listtransactions does only list transactions related to the wallet?
 73 2010-12-14 00:15:05 <da2ce7> a classic trapdoor function... multiplication
 74 2010-12-14 00:15:14 <gavinandresen> davux:  yes
 75 2010-12-14 00:15:20 <davux> same thing for gettransaction
 76 2010-12-14 00:15:44 <Kiba> wouldn't it be bad if we run out of difficult problem to solve?
 77 2010-12-14 00:15:59 <kaspar> nah, just porn all day long.
 78 2010-12-14 00:16:00 <Phoebus> achristianson, how do you verify the computation and that there has been no corruption right now? (yourself)
 79 2010-12-14 00:16:01 <kaspar> ;)
 80 2010-12-14 00:16:07 <gavinandresen> davux:  we're thinking ahead to the 'lightweight client', which won't necessarily have the entire transaction history.
 81 2010-12-14 00:16:07 <lfm> kiba not something we need to worry about
 82 2010-12-14 00:16:15 <da2ce7> it gets interesting when we have reliable quantum computers.
 83 2010-12-14 00:16:20 <Phoebus> How does any user that hasn't toyed with the source himself know?
 84 2010-12-14 00:16:20 <zygf> if bitcoin was about integer factorization or discrete logarithms Art would be designing a quantum computer to run Shor's algorithm now :P
 85 2010-12-14 00:16:41 <davux> gavinandresen: so maybe it should show the transaction if it knows about it, and send an error otherwise
 86 2010-12-14 00:17:01 <da2ce7> that is the main weakness of bitcoin.  Once sombody makes a quantum computer, they will be easly able to 'steal' bitcoins.
 87 2010-12-14 00:17:10 <achristianson> Phoebus: we have a problem that is hard to calculate but fast to verify. presumably "hard to calculate" and "easy to check" are proved by rigorous mathematical deduction
 88 2010-12-14 00:17:15 <gavinandresen> davux:  that's what it does....  give it a transaction id that's not in the wallet and it should tell you 'invalid transaction'
 89 2010-12-14 00:17:30 <davux> da2ce7: they'll have read your email and sniffed your SSH sessions before anyway
 90 2010-12-14 00:17:30 <gavinandresen> davux:  oh, I see what you're saying....
 91 2010-12-14 00:17:32 <achristianson> Phoebus: also, we have no counterexample to the assertions that our problem is hard to answer and easy to check
 92 2010-12-14 00:17:33 <Kiba> that is based on the cryptographic algorithm no? So we make quantum cryptographic tech?
 93 2010-12-14 00:17:42 <gavinandresen> davux:  ... show transactions that it HAPPENS to know about....
 94 2010-12-14 00:17:47 <Phoebus> achristianson, ok, now we need to replace the problem, with one whose solution is of benefit :)
 95 2010-12-14 00:17:55 <davux> gavinandresen: sorry?
 96 2010-12-14 00:18:11 <Phoebus> Aside the verification and integrity alone.
 97 2010-12-14 00:18:36 <Phoebus> I just see a rising insanity of people leaving their computers on forever, to make a quick btc, and skyrocketing energy consumption. This ain't good news.
 98 2010-12-14 00:18:39 <gavinandresen> davux:  right now, if you hand a transaction id to gettransaction it'll give you an invalid transaction error if the transaction isn't in your wallet.
 99 2010-12-14 00:18:52 <achristianson> Phoebus: there is not known a problem that is of utility and has those properties, not that I know of. show us the counterexample
100 2010-12-14 00:18:53 <davux> da2ce7: oh, and reading your email includes the encrypted ones
101 2010-12-14 00:19:04 <achristianson> Phoebus: the proof is on you
102 2010-12-14 00:19:15 <da2ce7> davux, the problem is that the network can move to a new, longer, hash for protection... but any old coins that haven't moved to the new 2KB long addresses will be vulnerable.
103 2010-12-14 00:19:28 <Kiba> just go nuclear, right? That will solve all your problem
104 2010-12-14 00:19:29 <davux> gavinandresen: i know
105 2010-12-14 00:19:43 <Phoebus> Ooh, personal scientific debate. Suddenly I feel like I'm one of the scientists in Ancient Greece, debating each other with scientific models :)
106 2010-12-14 00:20:05 <davux> gavinandresen: my point is: why doesn't it give details about any transaction it has in its downloaded blockchain?
107 2010-12-14 00:20:08 <Phoebus> The question is of collaboration these days, finding a way to reduce waste/energy consumption and efficiency.
108 2010-12-14 00:20:27 <Kiba> a more efficent bitcoin network is a more secure network
109 2010-12-14 00:20:51 <Kiba> or maybe not?
110 2010-12-14 00:20:52 <Kiba> hmm
111 2010-12-14 00:20:53 <Granttt> phoebus: try call the chinese, russian and american govt. start there, thats our biggest problem on the issue of waste/energy consumption/collaboration.
112 2010-12-14 00:21:00 <gavinandresen> davux:  because people would come to rely on that behavior, and then they'd be disappointed when we had to break it to support lightweight clients or blockchain pruning
113 2010-12-14 00:21:07 <ArtForz> btw, I think I probably was one of the first private individuals to factor a RSA512
114 2010-12-14 00:21:26 <Phoebus> Granttt, yeah, I know, that's old news :P But making another energy inefficient alternative does not make the first worse, or solve it.
115 2010-12-14 00:21:31 <Phoebus> We can do better.
116 2010-12-14 00:21:40 <ArtForz> that was... 2004
117 2010-12-14 00:21:54 <Kiba> bitcoin is more efficent than all the weapon, nuclear, helicopter etc
118 2010-12-14 00:21:59 <Granttt> it isnt inefficient so long as people find "cost of energy price, vs mining output profitable"
119 2010-12-14 00:22:04 <Kiba> need to secure the value of the USD
120 2010-12-14 00:22:16 <Granttt> i dont
121 2010-12-14 00:22:19 <Granttt> thats why i dont mine
122 2010-12-14 00:22:22 <davux> gavinandresen: if the command description says "display information about a transaction if the client knows about it", i don't think it's a real issue
123 2010-12-14 00:22:29 <Phoebus> But the model says it is built in to become less efficient by design :P
124 2010-12-14 00:22:35 <ArtForz> what?
125 2010-12-14 00:22:56 <Phoebus> The more you generate, the harder it becomes, as a coded inflation control.
126 2010-12-14 00:22:59 <achristianson> Phoebus: I actually appreciate that you have concern for our long term surviability. but I think we get nowhere unless we stick to logically consistent deduction and empirical measurement. or at least some running code
127 2010-12-14 00:23:03 <Phoebus> But at the same time, your efficiency goes.
128 2010-12-14 00:23:04 <Granttt> yea, and hardware is built on the model of getting exponentially more efficient hardware. so whats the prob ?
129 2010-12-14 00:23:10 <ArtForz> minting will decrease over time
130 2010-12-14 00:23:26 <Kiba> Phoebus: code or GTFO
131 2010-12-14 00:23:42 <Phoebus> achristianson, I'd like to see an open forum on new economy and currency models. But individual efforts are great too.
132 2010-12-14 00:23:47 <da2ce7> no, it is not efficent as eveyone who has coins is paying for the generation via inflation... In the future it will be optional to support the network, via the option of sending transaction fees.
133 2010-12-14 00:24:04 <ArtForz> except it wont be optional
134 2010-12-14 00:24:12 <Phoebus> Just don't see the current application as solid off the bat, and nor should it be. We just need to find solutions - make it more efficient.
135 2010-12-14 00:24:21 <Phoebus> And it will happen, should enough people join in.
136 2010-12-14 00:24:26 <da2ce7> no, but you can choose to counduct a transfer, or not.
137 2010-12-14 00:24:47 <ArtForz> I expect miners will set min fees based on their costs
138 2010-12-14 00:24:56 <da2ce7> yep :D I expect so.
139 2010-12-14 00:25:35 <ArtForz> so for-profit miners will charge fees, I also expect miners only mining to keep total difficulty up to protect value of their held bitcoins
140 2010-12-14 00:25:58 <da2ce7> at the moment, just holding coins (that hold a value), supports the network throogh inflation.  In the future only those who use the service will need to pay for it.
141 2010-12-14 00:26:09 <ArtForz> yep
142 2010-12-14 00:26:36 <noagendamarket> Its not bitcoiners holding back the adoption of nuclear energy
143 2010-12-14 00:26:58 <Kiba> bitcoiners aren't the one subsidizing fat cat American farmers
144 2010-12-14 00:27:07 <noagendamarket> lol methane?
145 2010-12-14 00:27:08 <nelisky> one just hopes the coins will be valuable by themselves by then, so we pay tx fees instead of bank fees
146 2010-12-14 00:27:24 <Kiba> noagendamarket: it also make Africa worthless too
147 2010-12-14 00:27:44 <Granttt> im curious what motivator will there be for "miners" after the IPO has been mined 100% to 21mill ?
148 2010-12-14 00:27:46 <noagendamarket> mcdonalds causes global warming
149 2010-12-14 00:27:48 <noagendamarket> :)-\n102700
150 2010-12-14 00:28:02 <da2ce7> sex causes global warming
151 2010-12-14 00:28:04 <Granttt> yea, i plan to live that long ;)
152 2010-12-14 00:28:11 <Granttt> better think long term
153 2010-12-14 00:28:21 <Kiba> Granttt: let start an antideath bitcoin foundation!
154 2010-12-14 00:28:31 <Granttt> kiba: yes :)
155 2010-12-14 00:28:52 <Kiba> I want the investment in antideath to be as efficent as posssible.
156 2010-12-14 00:29:06 <kaspar> I just want some bitcoins.
157 2010-12-14 00:29:25 <KwukDuck> kaspar, buy some
158 2010-12-14 00:29:36 <da2ce7> no free lunches here.
159 2010-12-14 00:29:46 <Kiba> I sell art for bitcoin!
160 2010-12-14 00:29:47 <davux> gavinandresen: don't you think?
161 2010-12-14 00:29:51 <da2ce7> *well you cannot buy a lunch for 0.05 BTC
162 2010-12-14 00:29:57 <kaspar> Jeez, I should have known, dry humor does not work over IRC.
163 2010-12-14 00:30:28 <Zarutian> kasper: and you cant wet it up with cybering *drumm tiss*
164 2010-12-14 00:30:54 <ArtForz> da2ce7: in a few decades you might be able to
165 2010-12-14 00:33:31 <ArtForz> a prewhat?
166 2010-12-14 00:33:41 <Kiba> somebody who travel constantly
167 2010-12-14 00:33:46 <ArtForz> oh
168 2010-12-14 00:34:29 <Kiba> and somebody that make money in the bitcoin economy too
169 2010-12-14 00:34:42 <Kiba> say
170 2010-12-14 00:34:55 <Kiba> you walk up to a bitcoin dealer, exchange it for cash...
171 2010-12-14 00:35:44 <Granttt> you should report any gains (after mining/purchasing/pizza/noodles expenses) from what you cashout
172 2010-12-14 00:36:20 <Granttt> or simply dont cashout until you make a few mill USD, and then dissapear to some exotic island
173 2010-12-14 00:36:32 <Kiba> lol
174 2010-12-14 00:36:34 <da2ce7> dont' ever cash out
175 2010-12-14 00:36:37 <da2ce7> just trade in BTC
176 2010-12-14 00:36:44 <Kiba> that's hard at first
177 2010-12-14 00:37:28 <zygf> is it possible that in a while if rich folks or corporations enter with clusters of ASICs and gain most of the throughput, you'll need to auth your transactions with them and the whole freedom/anonymity thing collapses?
178 2010-12-14 00:37:29 <achristianson> Kiba: IMO anonymous markets imply plausibly deniable wealth and income. Grantt is right: we should all be reporting. but the organized governments have no means of enforcement short of destroying the internet
179 2010-12-14 00:37:42 <da2ce7> I'm going to europe in 9 months, I want to see how much I can do with bitcoins, just for fun.
180 2010-12-14 00:38:43 <Kiba> if the US and Europe government's collapse are immeninent
181 2010-12-14 00:38:50 <Kiba> than it might be a m00t point
182 2010-12-14 00:39:11 <da2ce7> lol, people will still want bitcoins... say for food and accomidation.
183 2010-12-14 00:39:23 <lfm> its the end of the world, details at 11
184 2010-12-14 00:39:54 <Kiba> 30 years after hte collapse of the Soviet Union
185 2010-12-14 00:40:15 <da2ce7> kiba, why the 30 years being so inportant?
186 2010-12-14 00:40:31 <da2ce7> why not 20 or 50?
187 2010-12-14 00:40:40 <Kiba> because it's 2020
188 2010-12-14 00:40:57 <thrashaholic> Kiba, not "if" ;)
189 2010-12-14 00:41:14 <Kiba> in the meantime
190 2010-12-14 00:41:25 <Kiba> we as Westerner need to strengthen our economic ties
191 2010-12-14 00:41:44 <Kiba> that is the key to world peace
192 2010-12-14 00:42:06 <Granttt> kiba: we can't, because greed is now legal ;)
193 2010-12-14 00:42:13 <da2ce7> providing we don't keep on voting in labor, aus should be fine for a while.
194 2010-12-14 00:42:43 <Kiba> Granttt: well, when nation-state collapse, we need an alternative soon
195 2010-12-14 00:42:47 <Kiba> so that society will be stable
196 2010-12-14 00:43:08 <thrashaholic> we need no alternative!
197 2010-12-14 00:43:11 <achristianson> Kiba: if you are seriously expecting collapse, then you need to be acquiring guns, ammo, food, and survival knowledge
198 2010-12-14 00:43:25 <Kiba> just collapse of the state
199 2010-12-14 00:43:25 <thrashaholic> forget food
200 2010-12-14 00:43:30 <thrashaholic> you need to be mobile
201 2010-12-14 00:43:31 <Kiba> not collapse of society
202 2010-12-14 00:43:40 <da2ce7> national broadband network is a 40$ billion dollar peice of shit from hell.
203 2010-12-14 00:43:41 <lfm> kiba thats like saying we're all gonna die, invest in graveyards
204 2010-12-14 00:43:49 <thrashaholic> actually
205 2010-12-14 00:43:52 <achristianson> Kiba: well in that case, who cares about the state
206 2010-12-14 00:44:03 <Granttt> lol: lfm, that market is bullish ;)
207 2010-12-14 00:44:06 <thrashaholic> the best three businesses to be in: strip clubs, liqour stores/bars, funeral homes
208 2010-12-14 00:44:13 <thrashaholic> recession proof.
209 2010-12-14 00:44:14 <noagendamarket> t costs more for a gallon of coke than for a gallon of petrol.
210 2010-12-14 00:44:33 <noagendamarket> :)
211 2010-12-14 00:44:50 <achristianson> thrashaholic: the best business to be in is diversified equity stakes in means of production
212 2010-12-14 00:45:32 <da2ce7> I wonder who is going to be the first full-time bitcoin hooker...
213 2010-12-14 00:45:59 <achristianson> da2ce7: you mean it hasn't happened yet?
214 2010-12-14 00:46:11 <Kiba> I want a pizza buying service!
215 2010-12-14 00:46:11 <lfm> da2ce7: there were some drug dealers on the other day
216 2010-12-14 00:46:33 <da2ce7> oh, ok, well I'm new here.
217 2010-12-14 00:46:51 <Kiba> do women buy sex too?
218 2010-12-14 00:47:40 <Granttt> well the 3 things that made the small secondlife economy grow by 400% a year for past few first years: sex, gambling, and ponzis
219 2010-12-14 00:47:53 <Granttt> we have a bit of the latter 2 in bitcoin, we need sex
220 2010-12-14 00:48:12 <achristianson> Granttt: can't tell if you're joking
221 2010-12-14 00:48:19 <Granttt> im not joking
222 2010-12-14 00:48:22 <da2ce7> TheMadhatter has two trashy porn sites.
223 2010-12-14 00:48:24 <noagendamarket> da2ce7 was that an offer? :)-
224 2010-12-14 00:48:28 <achristianson> Granttt: very well then. you're probably right :)
225 2010-12-14 00:48:29 <Granttt> google a bit, you'll see lol
226 2010-12-14 00:48:29 <noagendamarket> haha
227 2010-12-14 00:48:50 <Granttt> what else is there to do in a virtual 3d world ? ;)
228 2010-12-14 00:48:50 <noagendamarket> rule34 on bitcoin?
229 2010-12-14 00:49:32 <da2ce7> I cannot launch myself at the first thing that waves bitcoins at me!
230 2010-12-14 00:49:38 <noagendamarket> lool
231 2010-12-14 00:50:30 <noagendamarket> You could always take you laptop to a brothel lmao
232 2010-12-14 00:50:55 <da2ce7> we need phone clients already!
233 2010-12-14 00:51:19 <da2ce7> then we could have a bitcoin sexline.
234 2010-12-14 00:51:34 <noagendamarket> well....
235 2010-12-14 00:53:28 <lfm> btc phonesex would be easy to set up
236 2010-12-14 00:54:17 <noagendamarket> pics or it didnt happen...
237 2010-12-14 00:55:28 <Granttt> only there would have to be some incentive to do it with bitcoin, theres tons of cam/voice sites out there
238 2010-12-14 00:56:09 <noagendamarket> 8bitporn
239 2010-12-14 00:56:22 <noagendamarket> where the mario brothers play
240 2010-12-14 00:56:26 <noagendamarket> :0
241 2010-12-14 00:56:39 <noagendamarket> lol
242 2010-12-14 00:56:44 <Granttt> lol
243 2010-12-14 00:56:53 <da2ce7> rofl
244 2010-12-14 00:57:01 <noagendamarket> donkey kong
245 2010-12-14 00:57:07 <noagendamarket> has a new game
246 2010-12-14 00:57:17 <noagendamarket> lol
247 2010-12-14 00:57:46 <da2ce7> lol
248 2010-12-14 00:59:45 <noagendamarket> http://cache.kotaku.com/gaming/image/rampage-wang.gif
249 2010-12-14 00:59:50 <noagendamarket> haha
250 2010-12-14 01:10:48 <Kiba> once I improve on my art skill
251 2010-12-14 01:10:52 <Kiba> I think I will do an...
252 2010-12-14 01:10:56 <Kiba> a graphic novel
253 2010-12-14 01:10:59 <Kiba> "Underfeeder"
254 2010-12-14 01:11:43 <Granttt> more hacking exposure for bitcoin: "1515 Corporates' attacks on Wikileaks may lead to rise of peer-to-peer distributed DNS to replace ICANN and overthrow of PayPal's online financial services and payments monopoly through Bitcoin." - from: http://hackingexpose.blogspot.com/2010/12/wikiwars-blow-by-blow_14.html
255 2010-12-14 01:14:54 <Zarutian> Granttt: is that good or bad?
256 2010-12-14 01:15:12 <Kiba> can't tell
257 2010-12-14 01:16:12 <Granttt> well its good if they print our name, but it would be bad if people started to think the only purpose of bitcoin is to fund blackmarkets
258 2010-12-14 01:16:55 <Granttt> right now it may seem taht way
259 2010-12-14 01:17:32 <Kiba> the majority are libertarian, right? supermajority, I think.
260 2010-12-14 01:18:07 <Granttt> << quiet libertarian yes
261 2010-12-14 01:19:43 <Granttt> speaking of libertarian/anti-state, wheres the bitcoin button on this page: http://www.freedomainradio.com/Donate.aspx ;)
262 2010-12-14 01:20:24 <Kiba> and.....we ARE BACK
263 2010-12-14 01:22:01 <Kiba> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin
264 2010-12-14 01:22:20 <mndrix_> excellent
265 2010-12-14 01:22:27 <tcatm> Yay! :)
266 2010-12-14 01:22:30 <Granttt> yay
267 2010-12-14 01:23:11 <Kiba> we're famous now :D
268 2010-12-14 01:25:47 <noagendamarket> awesome
269 2010-12-14 01:25:53 <da2ce7> yes!
270 2010-12-14 01:26:01 <da2ce7> we are now notable!
271 2010-12-14 01:26:15 <Kiba> I almost read that now as non
272 2010-12-14 01:31:52 <fabianhjr> Hey, I was thinking. Shouldn't BitCoin have an easy 1-click payment system? coin://[addr]/preselected_quantity where the user just has to confirm the payment and click send?
273 2010-12-14 01:33:03 <Kiba> to da forum!
274 2010-12-14 01:33:17 <fabianhjr> I am writting currently.
275 2010-12-14 01:33:19 <mndrix_> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=55.0 is about bitcoin URIs
276 2010-12-14 01:33:22 <bitbot> URI-scheme for bitcoin
277 2010-12-14 01:33:33 <mndrix_> thanks bot
278 2010-12-14 01:35:01 <fabianhjr> 0_o why are there like 3 bots on this channel?
279 2010-12-14 01:35:51 <tcatm> one for ~50 users ;)
280 2010-12-14 01:37:03 <Kiba> how many peoiple are in here?
281 2010-12-14 01:37:36 <tcatm> depends on how many of them are bots
282 2010-12-14 01:45:30 <fabianhjr> Kiba: I am sure at least 10. :P
283 2010-12-14 01:47:22 <noagendamarket> fabianhjr that would be useful
284 2010-12-14 01:48:01 <fabianhjr> noagendamarket: a simple URI based 1-click system.
285 2010-12-14 01:48:16 <Granttt> its needed, payment should be simple
286 2010-12-14 01:48:29 <fabianhjr> cash://[BitCoin Address]/Quantity <-- My proposal
287 2010-12-14 01:48:42 <noagendamarket> no we are going to use bitcoin
288 2010-12-14 01:48:43 <fabianhjr> Then you just confirm the info and click send.
289 2010-12-14 01:48:59 <noagendamarket> bitcoin:
290 2010-12-14 01:49:01 <fabianhjr> ok, bitcoin:// instead :P
291 2010-12-14 01:49:05 <noagendamarket> yes
292 2010-12-14 01:49:11 <noagendamarket> :)-
293 2010-12-14 01:49:16 <fabianhjr> noagendamarket: the point still remains.
294 2010-12-14 01:49:24 <noagendamarket> yes it does
295 2010-12-14 01:49:29 <thrashaholic> we've discussed this before
296 2010-12-14 01:49:35 <noagendamarket> its on the forum
297 2010-12-14 01:49:45 <thrashaholic> feel free to implement it :)
298 2010-12-14 01:49:58 <noagendamarket> you dont need permission :)
299 2010-12-14 01:52:43 <Zarutian> fabianhjr: you might be intrested in http://pastebin.ca/2012512
300 2010-12-14 01:53:35 <midnightmagic> gah, protocol overrides..!
301 2010-12-14 02:32:50 <jb55> How long does it take for a transaction to propagate? I'm testing this with a friend, it has been around 30 minutes and he hasn't gotten anything.
302 2010-12-14 02:38:33 <doublec> he should see 0/unconfirmed immediately
303 2010-12-14 02:38:47 <mndrix_> usually under 30 seconds
304 2010-12-14 02:39:03 <doublec> and then confirmations start rolling in after 10 minutes or so
305 2010-12-14 02:41:01 <jb55> so would it be a port issue then?
306 2010-12-14 03:15:02 <ne0futur> (Reuters) - The head of the Bank of England had sought to set up a group with the United States, Switzerland and Japan to recapitalise major global banks six months before the financial crisis engulfed them, U.S. diplomatic cables show.
307 2010-12-14 03:15:09 <ne0futur> http://story.londonmercury.com/index.php/ct/9/cid/0f440bf3fff89f01/id/41224378/
308 2010-12-14 03:15:14 <ne0futur> and its reuters :
309 2010-12-14 03:15:19 <ne0futur> http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE6BD07U20101214?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Reuters%2FUKBusinessNews+%28News+%2F+UK+%2F+Business+News%29
310 2010-12-14 03:18:26 <ne0futur> i dont know exactly what they mean with "recycling dollars" :p
311 2010-12-14 03:18:31 <ne0futur> http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?chart_type=line&s[1][id]=BASE&s[1][range]=5yrs
312 2010-12-14 03:18:38 <ne0futur> probably this way
313 2010-12-14 03:22:13 <nanotube> jb55: does he have all the blocks downloaded?
314 2010-12-14 03:23:21 <jb55> nanotube: he eventually got it after an hour or so, I sent it to him right after he downloaded the client.   He send it back and I immediately got it (I've been running it for awhile).
315 2010-12-14 03:24:55 <nanotube> jb55: if it was "right after he downloaded the client", that must mean he didn't have the whole block chain yet.
316 2010-12-14 03:24:58 <nanotube> so... mystery solved.
317 2010-12-14 03:26:47 <jb55> Ah ok good to know
318 2010-12-14 03:30:09 <Kiba> those damn
319 2010-12-14 03:30:16 <Kiba> financial criss wouldn't happen
320 2010-12-14 03:30:24 <Kiba> if they didn't practice fractional reserve banking
321 2010-12-14 03:39:21 <thrashaholic> fractional reserve isn't the problem
322 2010-12-14 04:26:12 <nanotube> tcatm: ping
323 2010-12-14 04:47:40 <Stephen_> MT`AwAy, you dirty ol' bastard
324 2010-12-14 04:48:09 <jcw9> ignore -channels #bitcoin-dev * JOINS PARTS QUITS NICKS
325 2010-12-14 04:48:13 <jcw9> oops :)
326 2010-12-14 04:48:24 <nanotube> quick, everyone change your nick! hehe
327 2010-12-14 04:49:04 <Stephen_> I fought an IRCOp for this one, no thanks :-)
328 2010-12-14 04:49:07 <Stephen_> er
329 2010-12-14 04:49:11 <Stephen> This one
330 2010-12-14 04:50:28 <jcw9> You could always ChAnGe ThE cAsE
331 2010-12-14 04:50:47 <jcw9> oh my god I haven't done l33tcaps in a decade; forgot how annoying it is!
332 2010-12-14 04:50:48 <Stephen> Nah, I like going as myself
333 2010-12-14 04:51:02 <FesterCluck> or this guy
334 2010-12-14 04:51:30 <Stephen> Anyone seen this build error when making bitcoind on linux:
335 2010-12-14 04:51:32 <Stephen> make: *** [obj/nogui/rpc.o] Error 1
336 2010-12-14 04:52:33 <nanotube> anything else surrounding it, Stephen ?
337 2010-12-14 04:53:12 <Stephen> g++ -c -O2 -Wno-invalid-offsetof -Wformat -g -D__WXDEBUG__ -D__WXGTK__ -DNOPCH -                                                                                                 DFOURWAYSSE2 -DUSE_SSL -I"/usr/local/include/wx-2.9" -I"/usr/local/lib/wx/includ                                                                                                 e/gtk2-unicode-debug-static-2.9" -I"/usr/include/openssl" -o obj/nogui/rpc
338 2010-12-14 04:54:00 <nanotube> Stephen: use a pastebin and stick the whole thing in
339 2010-12-14 04:54:07 <Stephen> Sorry
340 2010-12-14 04:54:10 <Stephen> momplz
341 2010-12-14 04:55:56 <Stephen> actually, that's interesting...
342 2010-12-14 04:56:26 <Stephen> shouldn't there be an "rpc.h" file in the /src directory of the bitcoin source?
343 2010-12-14 04:56:46 <ArtForz> yup
344 2010-12-14 04:57:12 <Stephen> the package I downloaded did not include this luxury
345 2010-12-14 04:57:19 <Stephen> I shall extract again
346 2010-12-14 04:57:54 <ArtForz> it's here, and in svn, so... uhhh... truncated tar?
347 2010-12-14 04:58:14 <Stephen> possibly
348 2010-12-14 04:59:11 <Stephen> hmm...
349 2010-12-14 04:59:14 <Stephen> Well then
350 2010-12-14 04:59:21 <Stephen> extracted again, now it's there
351 2010-12-14 04:59:27 <ArtForz> weird
352 2010-12-14 04:59:36 <Stephen> along with a few others that were missed
353 2010-12-14 04:59:46 <nanotube> strange indeed
354 2010-12-14 05:00:35 <Stephen> maybe I took them out amongst all my dependency hell ventures
355 2010-12-14 05:01:16 <Stephen> if I somehow managed to type rm r* while frantic at a crashing ssh session, I somehow don't feel surprised
356 2010-12-14 05:02:39 <Stephen> So I have this idea for a patch, perhaps a plugin if you will
357 2010-12-14 05:03:55 <nanotube> what would it do?
358 2010-12-14 05:04:07 <Stephen> Once you send your block in for a guess, and are shot down for the millionth time, the fail block should be sent to a secondary server which has a more lenient list of winners. Everyone can donate to play, and we
359 2010-12-14 05:04:11 <nanotube> (and yea, when frantic, i frequently type rm followed by random strings, too. :P )
360 2010-12-14 05:04:14 <Stephen> will call it "BitConsolation"
361 2010-12-14 05:04:32 <nanotube> haha, that's called the testnet. :)
362 2010-12-14 05:04:39 <ArtForz> or pooled mining
363 2010-12-14 05:04:51 <nanotube> yea or that
364 2010-12-14 05:04:55 <Stephen> Yeah, I just heard about pooled mining yesterday
365 2010-12-14 05:05:13 <Stephen> Once I get the client ported to javascript I'm so game :-P
366 2010-12-14 05:05:30 <nanotube> haha
367 2010-12-14 05:06:14 <Stephen> I'm not really sure who in their right mind would set Chrome's processor Affinity to a GPU, but I'd be excited to watch it fly
368 2010-12-14 05:07:18 <Stephen> So, the optional irc connection to find peers, does anyone see this as a security risk when running bitcoin on dev servers?
369 2010-12-14 05:07:27 <ArtForz> no
370 2010-12-14 05:07:51 <Stephen> good, then I'll leave it on
371 2010-12-14 05:08:47 <ArtForz> check irc.cpp, it's pretty limited in scope
372 2010-12-14 05:10:07 <ArtForz> went over that part twice, not even a DoS condition in sight
373 2010-12-14 05:10:29 <Stephen> That's what she said
374 2010-12-14 05:10:31 <nanotube> ArtForz: haha and a net split just as you said that...
375 2010-12-14 05:10:47 <nanotube> is that a sign? :)
376 2010-12-14 05:11:01 <ArtForz> no, a split
377 2010-12-14 05:11:10 <nanotube> hehe
378 2010-12-14 05:11:21 <Kiba> hmm
379 2010-12-14 05:11:24 <Stephen> No wammy
380 2010-12-14 05:11:47 <Stephen> ok, so current make is at rpc.o
381 2010-12-14 05:16:16 <Stephen> Alrighty, error again
382 2010-12-14 05:16:20 <Stephen> here's pastebin
383 2010-12-14 05:16:21 <Stephen> http://pastebin.com/yu78qM6p
384 2010-12-14 05:16:47 <ArtForz> soudns like your ox is having serious problems
385 2010-12-14 05:16:50 <ArtForz> *box
386 2010-12-14 05:17:19 <Stephen> actuallu
387 2010-12-14 05:17:24 <Stephen> that's an OOM error
388 2010-12-14 05:17:33 <Stephen> Stupid amazon instance
389 2010-12-14 05:18:05 <ArtForz> *facepalm*
390 2010-12-14 05:19:07 <thrashaholic> Stephen: i would so write that javascript for V8. seriously. functionally, even.
391 2010-12-14 05:19:32 <thrashaholic> but im a sick fuck who loves him some hardcore JS action.
392 2010-12-14 05:19:53 <Stephen> thrashaholic: Nice to meet you. I'm your kin
393 2010-12-14 05:20:03 <thrashaholic> unless it's "OO" javascript, that makes me want to kill people.
394 2010-12-14 05:20:11 <Stephen> booo
395 2010-12-14 05:20:18 <ArtForz> meh, high level weenies
396 2010-12-14 05:20:20 <thrashaholic> javascript !== java
397 2010-12-14 05:20:22 <Stephen> It can be done properly
398 2010-12-14 05:20:35 <thrashaholic> it shouldn't be, though
399 2010-12-14 05:20:47 <thrashaholic> but im a lisper
400 2010-12-14 05:21:00 <thrashaholic> so, i much prefer to see template functions and such
401 2010-12-14 05:21:01 <Stephen> well, it all depends on how necessary it is to protect your variables
402 2010-12-14 05:21:08 <Stephen> but, give it a year
403 2010-12-14 05:21:20 <Stephen> Javascript is getting private and locked variabled
404 2010-12-14 05:21:23 <Stephen> variables
405 2010-12-14 05:21:31 <ArtForz> wrote a simple TCP/IP stack in MIPS asm
406 2010-12-14 05:21:31 <thrashaholic> great :/
407 2010-12-14 05:21:50 <thrashaholic> and it only took you 3 years, right, ArtForz ? :P
408 2010-12-14 05:22:04 <ArtForz> no, about a month
409 2010-12-14 05:22:12 <thrashaholic> gross
410 2010-12-14 05:22:23 <thrashaholic> i can do asm with the best of them, but i have a social life.
411 2010-12-14 05:22:24 <ArtForz> embedded system
412 2010-12-14 05:22:35 <thrashaholic> and dont deal with those either hehe
413 2010-12-14 05:22:53 <ArtForz> devs ran out of memory and the hardware was already finalized
414 2010-12-14 05:23:34 <Stephen> Am I wrong to think that it's completely insane to think that building rpc.cpp would hog up over 200MB?
415 2010-12-14 05:23:41 <ArtForz> no
416 2010-12-14 05:23:48 <ArtForz> thats g++ for you
417 2010-12-14 05:24:03 <Stephen> Basically, these small instances only have ~650MB of ram
418 2010-12-14 05:24:30 <ArtForz> no swap?
419 2010-12-14 05:24:37 <Stephen> should be
420 2010-12-14 05:25:32 <ArtForz> I'm memory crazy
421 2010-12-14 05:25:32 <Stephen> hmmm
422 2010-12-14 05:25:36 <Stephen> apparently not
423 2010-12-14 05:25:56 <ArtForz> local dev box has 8GB ram ... less than a gig free
424 2010-12-14 05:26:00 <thrashaholic> 650 should be enough for everybody.
425 2010-12-14 05:26:05 <thrashaholic> jesus
426 2010-12-14 05:26:14 <thrashaholic> i have 2g, i have like....350m in use lol
427 2010-12-14 05:26:18 <ArtForz> and 1.6GB swap used
428 2010-12-14 05:26:27 <thrashaholic> no swap usage either of course
429 2010-12-14 05:26:32 <jcw9> I'm a little surprised that ~650 isn't enough!
430 2010-12-14 05:27:00 <jcw9> It's not like you're compiling mozilla or something
431 2010-12-14 05:27:19 <ArtForz> well, it's also my main workstation
432 2010-12-14 05:27:25 <jcw9> Ah, you have X11 running
433 2010-12-14 05:27:36 <thrashaholic> X11 takes up nothing
434 2010-12-14 05:27:49 <thrashaholic> in today's metrics
435 2010-12-14 05:27:57 <thrashaholic> FF is the big hog on my system
436 2010-12-14 05:28:12 <Stephen> How do I build a 600MB file in linux
437 2010-12-14 05:28:15 <ArtForz> 4 VMs active, Opera with about 120 tabs open, 3 firefox instances about 20 tabs each, dozens of ref docs and editors open on 6 workspaces
438 2010-12-14 05:28:18 <Stephen> random data, I don't care what
439 2010-12-14 05:28:20 <thrashaholic> without FF i run at about 100m
440 2010-12-14 05:28:39 <thrashaholic> but i have a super light WM
441 2010-12-14 05:28:49 <thrashaholic> ArtForz: jesus, information overload
442 2010-12-14 05:28:58 <Stephen> lol
443 2010-12-14 05:29:01 <thrashaholic> i hope you have 3 monitors for all that clutter
444 2010-12-14 05:29:17 <thrashaholic> and...editors?
445 2010-12-14 05:29:23 <thrashaholic> you should only be using ONE editor, sir!
446 2010-12-14 05:29:28 <thrashaholic> in a tmux/screen session !!
447 2010-12-14 05:29:35 <thrashaholic> heretic!
448 2010-12-14 05:29:46 <ArtForz> 2 monitors
449 2010-12-14 05:30:10 <ArtForz> 22" CRTs running 1600x1200
450 2010-12-14 05:30:30 <jcw9> That should keep you warm
451 2010-12-14 05:30:40 <ArtForz> not really
452 2010-12-14 05:30:47 <ArtForz> about 120W a pop
453 2010-12-14 05:30:50 <thrashaholic> overlapping window manager or tiled?
454 2010-12-14 05:31:14 <ArtForz> overlapping
455 2010-12-14 05:31:37 <thrashaholic> heh
456 2010-12-14 05:31:39 <thrashaholic> nuts
457 2010-12-14 05:31:53 <ArtForz> except I never have floating windows on main screen
458 2010-12-14 05:31:56 <thrashaholic> i only have 5 workspaces right now
459 2010-12-14 05:32:00 <Stephen> too bad, I use xvfb with an imagination interface, my screens get as big as they want, and X is headless!
460 2010-12-14 05:32:37 <thrashaholic> term, pidgin, www, video...i lied, 4
461 2010-12-14 05:33:33 <thrashaholic> but i have about 12 different terminals in my main tmux session
462 2010-12-14 05:33:39 <thrashaholic> 10 of them vim
463 2010-12-14 05:34:37 <ArtForz> vim ftw
464 2010-12-14 05:34:48 <thrashaholic> indeed, i even run vimperator
465 2010-12-14 05:34:54 <thrashaholic> i want EVERYTHING to use vim bindings, damnit
466 2010-12-14 05:35:27 <thrashaholic> my tmux uses screen-ish bindings though, because i find it hard to break a decade of muscle memory
467 2010-12-14 05:35:50 <thrashaholic> my window manager uses screen bindings too. just a different meta key
468 2010-12-14 05:37:05 <thrashaholic> i wish i could get links graphical mode to work not in framebuffer mode
469 2010-12-14 05:37:16 <thrashaholic> that's be the ultimate win right there
470 2010-12-14 05:37:52 <ne0futur> if screen and vim had the same bindings . . . could be a problem
471 2010-12-14 05:38:40 <thrashaholic> you couldnt if you wanted to
472 2010-12-14 05:39:11 <thrashaholic> what vm do you run , ArtForz ?
473 2010-12-14 05:39:30 <ArtForz> virtualbox OSE
474 2010-12-14 05:39:33 <thrashaholic> i want to build an uber-xen box one day
475 2010-12-14 05:39:37 <Kiba`> FSCK
476 2010-12-14 05:39:41 <ArtForz> with a few custom modifications
477 2010-12-14 05:39:59 <Diablo-D3> vbox is dead =/
478 2010-12-14 05:40:02 <Diablo-D3> oracle killed it
479 2010-12-14 05:40:05 <thrashaholic> with a dedicated windows gaming domU
480 2010-12-14 05:40:08 <Diablo-D3> vbox4 looks like is shaping up to steal money
481 2010-12-14 05:40:17 <thrashaholic> vbox used to be so good
482 2010-12-14 05:40:28 <thrashaholic> i prefer it to vmware for desktop stuff
483 2010-12-14 05:40:33 <ArtForz> meh, I like my windows gaming boxes native
484 2010-12-14 05:40:59 <thrashaholic> well i only play one game, so it's not worth it to drop coin on a seperate box, just a card that supports passthru
485 2010-12-14 05:41:06 <thrashaholic> (civ)
486 2010-12-14 07:04:00 <Amiga4000> hmkay,. the NVidia GeForce 480GTX went down to ~40Mhases/sec over time
487 2010-12-14 07:12:30 <ArtForz> what speeds are you getting?
488 2010-12-14 07:19:26 <Amiga4000> ~4000 khashes for the core i7 and ~35-40 Mhahses/sec for each of 2 GForce 480GTX on win7 64bit
489 2010-12-14 07:19:37 <ArtForz> that sounds awfully low
490 2010-12-14 07:19:55 <ArtForz> each 480 should get close to 100Mhash/s
491 2010-12-14 07:20:06 <Amiga4000> but thats what they do
492 2010-12-14 07:20:24 <ArtForz> hurrrm, SLIed?
493 2010-12-14 07:20:28 <Amiga4000> without any tweaking, just setup the miner and go
494 2010-12-14 07:20:30 <Amiga4000> yeah, SLI
495 2010-12-14 07:20:50 <ArtForz> I'd have to google, but I think there's some problem with nvidias OpenCL driver and SLI
496 2010-12-14 07:22:03 <Amiga4000> so I just need to setup another machine with just one SLI. any link to a linux miner setup?
497 2010-12-14 07:24:16 <ArtForz> don't know any, but I think there's a howto on the forums
498 2010-12-14 07:25:10 <Amiga4000> ok, will dig into
499 2010-12-14 07:25:13 <ArtForz> maybe try disabling SLI before running the miner, might help
500 2010-12-14 07:25:22 <Amiga4000> could test, right
501 2010-12-14 07:25:33 <Amiga4000> but as I got a few machines with 480gtx...
502 2010-12-14 07:30:20 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: "and SLI"
503 2010-12-14 07:30:21 <Diablo-D3> lolol
504 2010-12-14 07:30:30 <Diablo-D3> the crossfire bug all over again
505 2010-12-14 07:30:50 <ArtForz> yup
506 2010-12-14 07:53:21 <jcw9> Have people gotten OpenCL working on OSX?
507 2010-12-14 07:54:45 <ArtForz> soemone has I think
508 2010-12-14 07:55:04 <ArtForz> Diablo posted about his miner now working on OSX
509 2010-12-14 07:56:28 <jcw9> Thanks, I'll see if I can navigate those god awful forums :)
510 2010-12-14 08:01:30 <Amiga4000> a single 480gtx does 70 MHashes in same setup, diff system. 2 in a box does together the same, SLI en/disablked in driver does no change
511 2010-12-14 08:01:51 <ArtForz> sounds like driver bug to me
512 2010-12-14 08:01:58 <ArtForz> is that using m0s miner or diablos?
513 2010-12-14 08:02:27 <Amiga4000> m0s one, or, I check
514 2010-12-14 08:02:56 <Amiga4000> I use http://www.newslobster.com/random/how-to-get-started-using-your-gpu-to-mine-for-bitcoins-on-windows as guide
515 2010-12-14 08:03:10 <Amiga4000> m0s one, sure
516 2010-12-14 08:03:26 <ArtForz> yeah
517 2010-12-14 08:03:53 <Amiga4000> nvidia driver could be a issue, need to check on the dualcard setup
518 2010-12-14 08:03:58 <Amiga4000> could be a few month old
519 2010-12-14 08:05:08 <Amiga4000> after new PSU arrives I will check the 5870 card from AMD.
520 2010-12-14 08:05:23 <ArtForz> but even 70Mh/s is kinda bad
521 2010-12-14 08:06:20 <Amiga4000> win setup, quite plain
522 2010-12-14 08:06:40 <Diablo-D3> jcw9: my miner works on osx now
523 2010-12-14 08:20:50 <jcw9> Oh yes it does 9540101 khash/s here :)
524 2010-12-14 08:22:36 <jcw9> is that possible??
525 2010-12-14 08:27:41 <Diablo-D3> jcw9: nope
526 2010-12-14 08:27:54 <Diablo-D3> and for the error condition, thats pretty low too
527 2010-12-14 08:27:58 <Diablo-D3> silly osx is so slow