1 2010-12-16 00:01:00 <EvanR> mizerydearia: pizza is simple. what about beer?
2 2010-12-16 00:01:41 <mizerydearia> pizza is more deliverable and orderable (e.g. phone orders, web-based orders) than beer.
3 2010-12-16 00:13:22 <EvanR> mizerydearia: exactly
4 2010-12-16 00:13:30 <EvanR> but often i want to buy someone a beer
5 2010-12-16 00:13:34 <EvanR> make it happen
6 2010-12-16 00:13:37 <mizerydearia> %_%
7 2010-12-16 00:17:38 <EvanR> if you send to an ip address, what address does it use?
8 2010-12-16 00:18:43 <tcatm> Don't use send to IP :)
9 2010-12-16 00:19:18 <tcatm> The sender requests a new address from the receiver and then sends to that address.
10 2010-12-16 00:26:46 <EvanR> lol bitcoin randomizer
11 2010-12-16 00:26:54 <EvanR> this is a genuine pyramid scheme?
12 2010-12-16 00:27:35 <kiba> EvanR: is there a beer delievery service?
13 2010-12-16 00:27:43 <kiba> plus
14 2010-12-16 00:27:52 <kiba> beer is restricted due to age requirement
15 2010-12-16 00:27:55 <kiba> pizza is not a drug
16 2010-12-16 00:28:18 <kiba> mizerydearia: will we receive dailly update of your progress?
17 2010-12-16 00:29:19 <EvanR> im old enough to buy beer
18 2010-12-16 00:29:42 <LobsterMan> i can't sell on mtgox atm :\n108772
19 2010-12-16 00:29:59 <kiba> why I need to be 21 in order to buy beer
20 2010-12-16 00:30:54 <judge_mental> beer delivery is a great idea
21 2010-12-16 00:31:35 <midnightmagic> i don't see anything anywhere that says mtgox takes a cut of the trades that happen in its market.. is there a percentage they skim or am I right, and there is no surcharge?
22 2010-12-16 00:31:43 <kiba> judge_mental: as long as the driver is not drunk
23 2010-12-16 00:31:47 <EvanR> lol
24 2010-12-16 00:32:16 <EvanR> midnightmagic: theyll charge you for sending you USD
25 2010-12-16 00:32:33 <EvanR> at least
26 2010-12-16 00:32:34 <midnightmagic> that's on the way out to LR, right?
27 2010-12-16 00:32:47 <kiba> midnightmagic: how does it work?
28 2010-12-16 00:32:53 <midnightmagic> ah there it is.. You will be charged 1% to withdraw by Liberty Reserve.
29 2010-12-16 00:32:54 <kiba> errr
30 2010-12-16 00:33:00 <kiba> mizerydearia: how does it work?
31 2010-12-16 00:33:31 <midnightmagic> Ah, good then: as long as the BTC/LR is trapped in that site, it looks like there's no percentage. That is SO VERY COOL.
32 2010-12-16 00:33:32 <kiba> so people get to be a middleman?
33 2010-12-16 00:34:05 <kiba> midnightmagic: I wasn't aware of any fees to withdraw bitcoin
34 2010-12-16 00:34:34 <midnightmagic> it also means a reconversion to BTC (as in an arbitrage resale) costs nothing. I really like that.
35 2010-12-16 00:37:02 <mizerydearia> kiba, Pizza4BTC works more like Bitcoin Market and less like Mt. Gox.
36 2010-12-16 00:38:44 <mizerydearia> Like BCM, You can provide bitcoins to fund your account and aSk (sell) bitcoins for a pizza orders.
37 2010-12-16 00:39:37 <kiba> so I need some capital to get started
38 2010-12-16 00:39:41 <lfm> mizerydearia: you deliver to calgary?
39 2010-12-16 00:39:45 <mizerydearia> If someone Buys pizza for you and you receive it (or pick it up), then you can confirm through the site that you received the pizza and then payment will be sent to the user that bought the pizza for you.
40 2010-12-16 00:40:12 <mizerydearia> lfm: I don't, but if there are pizza restaurants in calgary, then the user requesting a pizza can place an order for pizzas at a particular or any restaurant in calgary.
41 2010-12-16 00:40:16 <genjix> mizerydearia: selling pizza for btc?
42 2010-12-16 00:40:40 <genjix> damn... you're in usa.
43 2010-12-16 00:40:59 <mizerydearia> The site will satisfy a worldwide market
44 2010-12-16 00:41:22 <kiba> and it will be based on reputation, eh
45 2010-12-16 00:42:10 <genjix> by converting to local currency and having a fee taken at every conversion point?
46 2010-12-16 00:42:22 <mizerydearia> Does bitcoin market provide any kind of reputation in regards to who you are transacting with?
47 2010-12-16 00:42:33 <mizerydearia> I will integrate a kind of reputation system within the site.
48 2010-12-16 00:43:23 <EvanR> bitcoin wont even reliably identify who you are dealing with
49 2010-12-16 00:43:50 <kiba> EvanR: you know me!
50 2010-12-16 00:43:57 <kiba> I have a reputation to protect
51 2010-12-16 00:44:03 <kiba> and I like bitcoins more than I like dollars
52 2010-12-16 00:44:14 <EvanR> cool
53 2010-12-16 00:44:17 <kiba> mizerydearia: how will you make money
54 2010-12-16 00:44:43 <tcatm> He'll make pizza :D
55 2010-12-16 00:45:04 <mizerydearia> At the moment I am uncertain, however, you are welcome to donate.
56 2010-12-16 00:45:15 <EvanR> this thread is somehow 'citing' total bitcoin processing power in flops
57 2010-12-16 00:45:30 <EvanR> as in floating point. how is any of this floating point math?
58 2010-12-16 00:45:41 <EvanR> whats the equivalent integer ops ;)
59 2010-12-16 00:45:49 <tcatm> Google analytics is crazy. It's telling my that i have 5625% more visits.
60 2010-12-16 00:45:50 <mizerydearia> I have contemplated perhaps I could ask for 1btc (or any other amount) per pizza requested. An amount small enough to not have an impact on whether or not someone orders a pizza using the site.
61 2010-12-16 00:46:25 <EvanR> mizerydearia: oh. so its like a regular business with bitcoins slipped in edge wise?
62 2010-12-16 00:46:49 <mizerydearia> EvanR, I suppose you could consider it as that.
63 2010-12-16 00:46:51 <EvanR> 1 is way less than the cost of the pizza and delivery
64 2010-12-16 00:47:33 <mizerydearia> e.g. instead of offering 10,000 bitcoins ( http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=137.0 ) it would be 10,001 bitcoins.
65 2010-12-16 00:50:21 <genjix> 10000 btc = $40 back then
66 2010-12-16 00:50:24 <genjix> damn
67 2010-12-16 00:51:35 <tcatm> genjix: Don't worry, price will mostly only rise.
68 2010-12-16 00:51:43 <genjix> "I can't generate thousands of coins a day anymore"
69 2010-12-16 00:51:55 <midnightmagic> =]
70 2010-12-16 00:52:00 <genjix> laszlo generating $100's everyday
71 2010-12-16 00:57:58 <EvanR> i wonder if i could put together a bitcoin FPGA to beat the 5970
72 2010-12-16 00:58:15 <tcatm> EvanR: Nope.
73 2010-12-16 00:58:36 <lolcat> Hello
74 2010-12-16 00:58:52 <EvanR> what if i use the university linux cluster
75 2010-12-16 00:58:56 <tcatm> GPUs will be the cheapest things for mining for a quite long time.
76 2010-12-16 00:59:13 <tcatm> EvanR: Will be slower than a few GPUs.
77 2010-12-16 00:59:15 <lolcat> How about for a quite short time?
78 2010-12-16 00:59:20 <EvanR> control z their general relativity for a while
79 2010-12-16 00:59:25 <tcatm> And consume much more power!
80 2010-12-16 00:59:59 <lolcat> A fair cpu can make what, 6000khashes?
81 2010-12-16 01:00:09 <EvanR> i was doing 500k
82 2010-12-16 01:00:15 <EvanR> but its a rather old laptop
83 2010-12-16 01:00:21 <tcatm> Upto 16Mhash/s is possible with CPUs.
84 2010-12-16 01:00:26 <lolcat> I do 1600 on my laptop
85 2010-12-16 01:00:50 <tcatm> Maybe 20 if you overclock.
86 2010-12-16 01:01:37 <lolcat> How much with the 5850?
87 2010-12-16 01:02:05 <tcatm> lolcat: 316
88 2010-12-16 01:02:19 <lolcat> There is a GPU botnet? Oo
89 2010-12-16 01:02:54 <lolcat> tcatm: If he have a fair linux cluster he will do well... 1000*16mhash is still something
90 2010-12-16 01:03:13 <lolcat> ;;calc; 16000000khash
91 2010-12-16 01:03:14 <gribble> Error: "calc;" is not a valid command.
92 2010-12-16 01:03:19 <lolcat> ;;calc 16000000khash
93 2010-12-16 01:03:20 <gribble> Error: The command "calc" is available in the Google and Math plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "calc".
94 2010-12-16 01:03:29 <lolcat> ;;calc , 16000000khash
95 2010-12-16 01:03:30 <gribble> Error: The command "calc" is available in the Google and Math plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "calc".
96 2010-12-16 01:03:33 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 16000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 12252.03471156 , is 54 minutes and 48 seconds
97 2010-12-16 01:03:33 <midnightmagic> ;;bc,calc 16000000
98 2010-12-16 01:03:38 <lolcat> Ok, bots are not my thing...
99 2010-12-16 01:04:30 <tcatm> lolcat: 29x HD 5970 would get you the same hash rate and consume 1/16 power
100 2010-12-16 01:05:16 <lolcat> tcatm: Still, if I could use a university cluster for free, it'd be free money
101 2010-12-16 01:05:25 <tcatm> That's true.
102 2010-12-16 01:05:46 <tcatm> But unlikely ;)
103 2010-12-16 01:05:56 <da2ce7> the bitcoiners at going to become a big buying segment of the high-end GPU market. :D
104 2010-12-16 01:06:00 <lolcat> Not sure what kind of access EvanR has though, but it could be possible.
105 2010-12-16 01:06:26 <midnightmagic> tcatm: it sucks that GPU initial purchase is so cheap (and advancement in GPU development so fast) that stacks and stacks of fpga are more expensive..
106 2010-12-16 01:06:35 <EvanR> its about doing hashes
107 2010-12-16 01:06:37 <mizerydearia> kiba: Regarding progress of the site development, come to #pizza4btc - Also come if you are interested in contributing towards populating the site with pizza-related informations around the world that will be used to help make the site more interactive.
108 2010-12-16 01:06:42 <midnightmagic> lolcat: not if you get caught. :)
109 2010-12-16 01:06:51 <EvanR> do rather than writing a shader for a gpu, use an fpga with circuitry for the hash
110 2010-12-16 01:07:24 <tcatm> midnightmagic: Yep. Powerful FPGAs easily cost >$1000
111 2010-12-16 01:07:25 <midnightmagic> no, that's just it. fpga is slower than 5970 if you spend the same money for a 5970, on fpga.
112 2010-12-16 01:07:35 <EvanR> its a one time cost though
113 2010-12-16 01:07:49 <da2ce7> I wonder howmany years it will be untill the hashrate is 1 Billion times faster than it is now?
114 2010-12-16 01:08:00 <midnightmagic> tcatm: there's an economy of scale aspect that Art pointed out last night that had to do with less expensive fpga, but more of them (at 1/10th the cost, but only 1/2 the performance, for rhetorical example)
115 2010-12-16 01:08:03 <da2ce7> I bey arround 20years.
116 2010-12-16 01:08:18 <da2ce7> *bet
117 2010-12-16 01:08:32 <midnightmagic> EvanR: no, the arrays will become obsolete in terms of power consumption per performance unit too fast versus just buying the latest gpus.
118 2010-12-16 01:08:34 <lolcat> midnightmagic: I was offered to utilize a university supercomputer for rainbow hashing. But Im not sure if the guy that offered it was allowed to do so. But there wouldnt be a econmic problem in Norway, youd just get kicked out of the university.
119 2010-12-16 01:09:11 <midnightmagic> lolcat: and if they find out that you generated a few $10k's on it, they might sue you civilly to recover the money you "made" with university equipment.
120 2010-12-16 01:09:40 <lolcat> I sincerly doubt it, suing people in Norway is rare and difficult.
121 2010-12-16 01:09:54 <lolcat> anyways
122 2010-12-16 01:10:10 <lolcat> I just buy my bitcoins, when mtgox get bank wire itd be ez to obtain them
123 2010-12-16 01:10:17 <midnightmagic> so.. if I used your computer to steal your money you couldn't do anything about it civilly?
124 2010-12-16 01:10:35 <midnightmagic> what a strange place.. wait, is that the same place where people are allowed to trespass and pick your mushrooms?
125 2010-12-16 01:10:57 <tcatm> midnightmagic: It's actually a nice place ;)
126 2010-12-16 01:11:17 <midnightmagic> strange is not mutually exclusive of nice..! I feel very sure I would love it there.
127 2010-12-16 01:11:40 <midnightmagic> Plus every Norwegian I meet I instantly like..
128 2010-12-16 01:11:46 <midnightmagic> as though we're distantly related.. somehow..
129 2010-12-16 01:12:20 <lolcat> midnightmagic: YEs, if I own land. And you shoot a moose there, I only would get haf. And they can pick berries and camp on your property if it is so and so far away from your house.
130 2010-12-16 01:12:33 <midnightmagic> wow..!
131 2010-12-16 01:12:49 <midnightmagic> i guess that's of necessity based on scarcity..
132 2010-12-16 01:12:54 <lolcat> If I buy a forest, Im not allowed to put a fence around it
133 2010-12-16 01:13:21 <midnightmagic> here in canada it is possible to own massive tracts of land, put a fence around it, and all the government can do is make it so people can get from place to place with easements for roads..
134 2010-12-16 01:13:43 <lolcat> midnightmagic: Scarcity of land? Don't think so. Scarcity of moose? Not really. Scarcity of berries? Not that either, we have plenty of goverment owned places to pick berries.
135 2010-12-16 01:14:46 <EvanR> not much is off topic herelol
136 2010-12-16 01:15:06 <midnightmagic> the problem being of course that people are rude enough here to destroy the land more than be responsible with it, and the "use' of the land interferes with my potential use of the land.
137 2010-12-16 01:15:44 <lolcat> We are quite heavily restricted in what we are allowed to build and how.
138 2010-12-16 01:15:46 <midnightmagic> and a government-sanctioned right to squat on my land would weaken my ability to tend/exploit/use it.
139 2010-12-16 01:16:15 <midnightmagic> municipalities restrict land-use here (so I can't just dig a big ugly hole in the middle of town) but out in the boonies, there are no land-use restricting via zoming bylaws.
140 2010-12-16 01:16:38 <lolcat> I know, but nature in itself is important. And I somewhat agree with that, everyone should be allowed to use forests, rivers and lakes.
141 2010-12-16 01:17:00 <lolcat> midnightmagic: Municipalities here also regulate construction, deconstruction and so on
142 2010-12-16 01:17:02 <midnightmagic> plus I think they're heading off personal injury lawsuits: here, if a camper accidentally cuts hsi arm off because a tree falls on him, he could conceivably sue me for his own stupidity.
143 2010-12-16 01:17:38 <midnightmagic> there are so many here (in BC, 93% or so of land is crown-owned) that private landownership can't really interfere with public use of public land.
144 2010-12-16 01:18:50 <midnightmagic> we still have animals traps here in some places.. traplines and hunting grounds and so forth. it's just too much of an injurious mess for uncivilized frontiersmen to be allowed to bring guns onto private property and hunt (and potentially shoot your kids or you)
145 2010-12-16 01:19:09 <midnightmagic> "I thought it was a deer!"
146 2010-12-16 01:19:28 <kiba> hunting on your own property
147 2010-12-16 01:21:03 <lolcat> midnightmagic: Here, if I rape you, poisoun your familiy, burn donw your house and make you all crippled, youd be lucky to get a years sallary from me. That is ofcourse if it is done with intent, I migth get a jail sentence, but you wont get any sizable amount of money.
148 2010-12-16 01:21:08 <midnightmagic> here also, trees and forests can be created and within the lifespan of a single person, grow into a full ecosystem. it strikes me that the efforts of private individuals might then be expropriated by a government because forests by their nature belong to the public domain.
149 2010-12-16 01:21:44 <midnightmagic> good christ. the public outcry from that would drown out such weak laws in a firestorm of angry protest..! :)
150 2010-12-16 01:22:07 <midnightmagic> i'm pretty sure the legislature would be bombed..
151 2010-12-16 01:22:28 <midnightmagic> but in a way, that does kind of empower the individual to more aggressively defend him/herself, right?
152 2010-12-16 01:22:41 <lolcat> ...
153 2010-12-16 01:22:51 <midnightmagic> and that, I agree with.
154 2010-12-16 01:23:13 <lolcat> We have low sentences, we have jails that are basicly 3 star hotells, you even get to leave jail to spend time with your kids or take an education...
155 2010-12-16 01:23:25 <lolcat> still, the murder rates, and other violent crimes is pretty low
156 2010-12-16 01:23:34 <EvanR> is that the country that lets you have sex with your girlfriend in jail
157 2010-12-16 01:23:48 <midnightmagic> jail time, I think should be purely about the restriction of freedoms, not physical punishment. people who think that physical punishment should be meted out as part of a prison sentence are retarded.
158 2010-12-16 01:23:53 <EvanR> you even get a nice suite
159 2010-12-16 01:24:33 <lolcat> No idea, havent tried jail yet
160 2010-12-16 01:24:37 <midnightmagic> educating prisoners I think is an incredibly vital part of rahbilitiating them back into society. you don't want to send them to prison just to make them hardened criminals with new contacts made in jail.
161 2010-12-16 01:24:38 <lolcat> Migth in january though
162 2010-12-16 01:25:02 <midnightmagic> so why can't we copy stuff freely in Norway, dude?!
163 2010-12-16 01:25:10 <midnightmagic> gotta go, dinner
164 2010-12-16 01:25:31 <lolcat> midnightmagic: Nobody, not one have been punished for downloading
165 2010-12-16 01:25:40 <lolcat> Sharing is what is illegal here
166 2010-12-16 01:26:09 <lolcat> I need to be able to setup a bitcoin buisness
167 2010-12-16 01:28:20 <EvanR> are you not able?
168 2010-12-16 01:28:47 <Sapians> what's stopping you?
169 2010-12-16 01:30:16 <lolcat> Low intelligence and a fault web-server-laptop
170 2010-12-16 01:30:50 <lolcat> I guess I could, if I got an idea.
171 2010-12-16 01:30:52 <Sapians> low intelligence or an unwillingness to learn a new skill (in this case, web programming)
172 2010-12-16 01:31:17 <lolcat> I get my way around php, it is slow, but I can make things work eventually
173 2010-12-16 01:31:22 <kiba> unwillingness to learn a new skill
174 2010-12-16 01:31:31 <lolcat> json-rpc would be doable
175 2010-12-16 01:31:49 <Sapians> json_decode()
176 2010-12-16 01:31:51 <lolcat> But I dont have an idea, I don't have anything to sell and most things are expencive in Norway
177 2010-12-16 01:31:51 <Sapians> ;)
178 2010-12-16 01:32:29 <Sapians> I've noticed that most sites that use BTC use it in conjunction with another currency, usually the BTC is redeemed for a discount
179 2010-12-16 01:32:53 <Sapians> ohhh, here's an idea: eBay for BTC :)
180 2010-12-16 01:33:46 <lolcat> If I could afford a cloud and a bunch of employees I would have someone do it for me...
181 2010-12-16 01:33:51 <kiba> Sapians: already don3
182 2010-12-16 01:33:55 <kiba> biddingpond.com
183 2010-12-16 01:33:56 <EvanR> yes
184 2010-12-16 01:33:59 <Sapians> hahaha
185 2010-12-16 01:34:16 <EvanR> also a pool-centric vending site for unlockable stuff
186 2010-12-16 01:34:27 <EvanR> because fivegrind is too slow for normal stuff like that
187 2010-12-16 01:34:37 <kiba> how does that work?
188 2010-12-16 01:34:42 <EvanR> which
189 2010-12-16 01:35:28 <kiba> pool centric vending site
190 2010-12-16 01:35:52 <EvanR> you sell intellectual property, but not per download because that logically makes no sense
191 2010-12-16 01:36:11 <kiba> there is no such thing as intellectual property
192 2010-12-16 01:36:29 <EvanR> it is until you release it
193 2010-12-16 01:36:31 <lolcat> http://www.biddingpond.com/item.php?id=163 -epic xD
194 2010-12-16 01:37:16 <EvanR> so you charge more for it, and people pay increments until the total is reached, then its freely downloadable by anyone
195 2010-12-16 01:37:34 <EvanR> anyone who pays too much gets a partial refund
196 2010-12-16 01:37:40 <Sapians> you got a link to that site EvanR?
197 2010-12-16 01:37:46 <EvanR> i made it up
198 2010-12-16 01:37:58 <EvanR> feel free to implement it ;)
199 2010-12-16 01:38:12 <EvanR> or give me bit coins for the idea
200 2010-12-16 01:38:15 <EvanR> lol
201 2010-12-16 01:38:24 <EvanR> 1F8aLiokSEn1mbd5ApEPtFYhx3oPD7dxeu
202 2010-12-16 01:38:24 <Sapians> hahaha
203 2010-12-16 01:39:17 <EvanR> im thinking source code to a large project would go well with this
204 2010-12-16 01:39:24 <EvanR> maybe
205 2010-12-16 01:39:36 <EvanR> i dont know about 'trailers' or 'trials'
206 2010-12-16 01:40:47 <Sapians> maybe using that as a way to crowdsource funding for ip that will eventually be released open source/creative commons
207 2010-12-16 01:41:51 <EvanR> the text of a book could be sold this way, or the latex version
208 2010-12-16 01:42:00 <EvanR> audio books
209 2010-12-16 01:42:38 <lolcat> Audio latex books?
210 2010-12-16 01:43:07 <EvanR> record yourself reading a book
211 2010-12-16 01:43:24 <lolcat> Nobody wants to hear that
212 2010-12-16 01:43:32 <kiba> Sapians: I have an idea for a project that I am planning to crowdsource
213 2010-12-16 01:43:32 <Sapians> already done
214 2010-12-16 01:43:39 <kiba> wait, it's like Kickstarter, right?
215 2010-12-16 01:43:41 <Sapians> and they release it for free
216 2010-12-16 01:43:43 <Sapians> http://librivox.org/
217 2010-12-16 01:44:18 <Sapians> kinda like kickstarter, but this would *require* whatever is made to be released under an open licence
218 2010-12-16 01:44:39 <lolcat> So everyone can do that? Not illegal?
219 2010-12-16 01:44:59 <EvanR> no, separate ideas
220 2010-12-16 01:46:13 <Sapians> think if BitStarter like this: Project A needs X BTC in order to be completed -> people chip in BTC until goal is reached -> Project A is released to the public and the dev is paid the BTC
221 2010-12-16 01:46:42 <Sapians> and "dev" could be anything from a programmer to a musician
222 2010-12-16 01:53:51 <Sapians> but I'm not sure such a site would actually work
223 2010-12-16 01:54:11 <Sapians> since there is already lots of work being done to share source code (and music) online for free
224 2010-12-16 01:54:34 <EvanR> you have to have a reputation, and rely on spending bitcoins being fun
225 2010-12-16 01:54:44 <EvanR> but earning is funner
226 2010-12-16 01:59:29 <EvanR> this post says people without internet access could use bitcoins by trusting me for instance to hand their bitcoins for them with my internet
227 2010-12-16 01:59:37 <EvanR> handle*
228 2010-12-16 01:59:43 <EvanR> possibly at a fee
229 2010-12-16 01:59:55 <Sapians> ??
230 2010-12-16 02:00:05 <EvanR> ah i get it, they ask me to send their coins somewhere etc
231 2010-12-16 02:00:13 <EvanR> and i provide them with their addresses
232 2010-12-16 02:00:24 <EvanR> Sapians: bitcoin and the digital divide
233 2010-12-16 02:00:30 <EvanR> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2112.0
234 2010-12-16 02:01:07 <mndrix> davux: theymos helped me register on the forum when the emails didn't come through. you can probably PM him in the forum
235 2010-12-16 02:01:24 <davux> mndrix: thanks for the tip
236 2010-12-16 02:02:23 <Sapians> here's an idea: creating smartphone apps for bitcoins
237 2010-12-16 02:02:36 <kiba> ...
238 2010-12-16 02:02:43 <kiba> you need to execute some of these
239 2010-12-16 02:02:58 <Sapians> some of these what?
240 2010-12-16 02:03:02 <kiba> ideas
241 2010-12-16 02:03:06 <Sapians> hahaha
242 2010-12-16 02:03:35 <kiba> ideas are worthless until you execute them
243 2010-12-16 02:03:46 <Sapians> to an extent
244 2010-12-16 02:03:50 <kiba> if you have some balls, you will start a bounty
245 2010-12-16 02:04:01 <Sapians> a bounty?
246 2010-12-16 02:04:02 <doublec> I think he needs bitcoins for that rather than balls
247 2010-12-16 02:04:18 <kiba> doublec: only metaphorical
248 2010-12-16 02:04:24 <kiba> Sapians: or code
249 2010-12-16 02:04:25 <MT`AwAy> Sapians: and your address i?
250 2010-12-16 02:04:28 <MT`AwAy> is*
251 2010-12-16 02:04:49 <Sapians> 13cL3y9rLEgEKRMr5FKSUGQeHPCGpWVgqm
252 2010-12-16 02:05:02 <Sapians> I only started using bitcoins yesterday
253 2010-12-16 02:05:03 <MT`AwAy> c0ef250be94379891fa70d7f64dd43651f10265c99e857e345e1ad5ed1b2470d
254 2010-12-16 02:05:18 <EvanR> me too
255 2010-12-16 02:05:20 <lolcat> Why a so long adress? Oo
256 2010-12-16 02:05:30 <MT`AwAy> not an address but a transaction hash
257 2010-12-16 02:05:56 <lolcat> Is he now rich?
258 2010-12-16 02:06:11 <[Noodles]> arent we all?
259 2010-12-16 02:06:24 <MT`AwAy> lolcat: this is relative
260 2010-12-16 02:07:47 <lolcat> I wish I could check that hash and see how much it was...
261 2010-12-16 02:07:47 <Sapians> thanks MT :)
262 2010-12-16 02:07:54 <MT`AwAy> lolcat: wait for next block
263 2010-12-16 02:08:15 <MT`AwAy> then you'll be able to use blockexplorer
264 2010-12-16 02:08:29 <MT`AwAy> or ask your bitcoin client, it already knows about that hash (there's just no way to get that info yet)
265 2010-12-16 02:10:09 <doublec> if you have the gettransaction patch you can probably get it
266 2010-12-16 02:10:11 <davux> how can we ask our bitcoin client about a transaction not directed to us?
267 2010-12-16 02:10:15 <lolcat> How do I ask my client?
268 2010-12-16 02:10:23 <jb55> json rpc
269 2010-12-16 02:10:58 <doublec> apparently not, gettransaction tells me it's an invalid id
270 2010-12-16 02:11:28 <jb55> same
271 2010-12-16 02:11:30 <davux> yes, it will only talk about transactions that are in the wallet
272 2010-12-16 02:11:37 <doublec> ah, right
273 2010-12-16 02:11:44 <MT`AwAy> yep
274 2010-12-16 02:11:51 <MT`AwAy> your bitcoin client has it in his inventory
275 2010-12-16 02:11:55 <MT`AwAy> but won't tell about it
276 2010-12-16 02:11:56 <MT`AwAy> yet
277 2010-12-16 02:12:15 <davux> i wish gettransaction worked with any txid
278 2010-12-16 02:12:24 <davux> i don't understand this restriction
279 2010-12-16 02:15:57 <EvanR> bitcoin could be made illegal because you cant reverse transactions?
280 2010-12-16 02:16:12 <lolcat> How would you prevent someone from using it?
281 2010-12-16 02:16:27 <EvanR> by marginalizing it
282 2010-12-16 02:16:40 <EvanR> network non neutrality etc
283 2010-12-16 02:16:50 <davux> as long as bitcoin isn't money no financial law applies
284 2010-12-16 02:16:53 <lolcat> Nope, it won't become illegal in the world
285 2010-12-16 02:17:08 <lolcat> EvanR: There is no reverse transactions with cash either...
286 2010-12-16 02:17:15 <EvanR> what i meant was, in many stupid countries
287 2010-12-16 02:17:31 <EvanR> thats true, the policy would not make real sense
288 2010-12-16 02:17:39 <EvanR> but is it still a danger?
289 2010-12-16 02:18:09 <lolcat> Depends what country you are in
290 2010-12-16 02:18:24 <lolcat> I doubt it will become illegal in the next 5 years here
291 2010-12-16 02:18:56 <EvanR> haha the seventh prediction of the form '... in the next N<10 years'
292 2010-12-16 02:19:03 <EvanR> good investment info!
293 2010-12-16 02:19:08 <Sapians> and technically, couldn't you classify BTC as a LETS?
294 2010-12-16 02:19:38 <Sapians> Local Exchange Trading Systems (LETS) also known as LETSystems are locally initiated, democratically organised, not-for-profit community enterprises which provides a community information service and records transactions of members exchanging goods and services by using the currency of locally created LETS Credits.
295 2010-12-16 02:19:47 <Sapians> ^ Wikipedia :P
296 2010-12-16 02:20:01 <EvanR> yes, put that in the PR
297 2010-12-16 02:20:04 <lolcat> EvanR: Even if they became illegal in your country, you could sell it to someone else...
298 2010-12-16 02:20:38 <EvanR> lolcat: great. so if something cool is illegal you have the option of not doing it
299 2010-12-16 02:21:09 <lolcat> EvanR: I wouldn't say that
300 2010-12-16 02:23:03 <lolcat> If I get the option to do so, and it pleases me that is
301 2010-12-16 02:25:07 <EvanR> we have bitcoin porn sites, how about bitcoin prostitution
302 2010-12-16 02:26:21 <MT`AwAy> Sapians: http://blockexplorer.com/tx/c0ef250be94379891fa70d7f64dd43651f10265c99e857e345e1ad5ed1b2470d (for info)
303 2010-12-16 02:26:41 <EvanR> im the pimp, you offer services to someone else and ill let you keep 1%
304 2010-12-16 02:27:16 <lolcat> MT`AwAy: thx
305 2010-12-16 02:27:17 <MT`AwAy> lolcat: maybe you should disclose what your services are first
306 2010-12-16 02:27:40 <lolcat> MT`AwAy: He inquired about bitcoin prostitution...
307 2010-12-16 02:27:57 <MT`AwAy> oh
308 2010-12-16 02:28:07 <lolcat> 04:25 < EvanR> we have bitcoin porn sites, how about bitcoin prostitution
309 2010-12-16 02:28:19 <MT`AwAy> davux: and your address is ?
310 2010-12-16 02:28:25 <davux> !
311 2010-12-16 02:28:35 <MT`AwAy> nah invalid address
312 2010-12-16 02:28:36 <MT`AwAy> too bad
313 2010-12-16 02:28:42 <lolcat> MT`AwAy: I was replying to that, it was somewhat of a joke, since I know he don't live where I do
314 2010-12-16 02:28:49 <davux> MT`AwAy: 1D33jVtdceqkAKYEg6ho3x9nh7MGeRz3oT
315 2010-12-16 02:29:04 <lolcat> MT`AwAy: Why are you giving away bitcoins?
316 2010-12-16 02:29:05 <MT`AwAy> davux: 67d3f8626b79b69c88ec421212f2ba2556c62a088c9c8b4ad673abf2e722530c
317 2010-12-16 02:29:11 <MT`AwAy> lolcat: why not ?
318 2010-12-16 02:29:19 <davux> wow, thanks a lot!
319 2010-12-16 02:29:34 <MT`AwAy> it might just be a way to let those who actually are in the community get some, while the bitcoin faucet just gives to anyone visiting its page
320 2010-12-16 02:29:44 <davux> i'll send them to someone else who needs it when i can
321 2010-12-16 02:29:56 <MT`AwAy> davux: you can also spend them on http://smsz.net/
322 2010-12-16 02:29:57 <MT`AwAy> xD
323 2010-12-16 02:30:00 <lolcat> I have like 200 bitcoins
324 2010-12-16 02:30:19 <MT`AwAy> I have much more :D
325 2010-12-16 02:30:30 <lolcat> oO
326 2010-12-16 02:30:31 <MT`AwAy> selling web hosting, vps & stuff in bitcoins made me get quite a lot of bitcoins
327 2010-12-16 02:30:45 <lolcat> Unlimited bandwith on those vps'es?
328 2010-12-16 02:30:52 <davux> MT`AwAy: what's the name of your service?
329 2010-12-16 02:31:00 <MT`AwAy> and since I can't convert them back to currency without getting assraped by fees, I give them away :p
330 2010-12-16 02:31:08 <MT`AwAy> davux: yep, but no abuse
331 2010-12-16 02:31:13 <MT`AwAy> er
332 2010-12-16 02:31:15 <MT`AwAy> lolcat: yep, but no abuse
333 2010-12-16 02:31:23 <lolcat> I am planning to upgrade from 40GB to ~100GB VPS soon
334 2010-12-16 02:31:26 <MT`AwAy> davux: kalyhost.com for hosting/domains/vps, smsz.net for sms
335 2010-12-16 02:31:36 <MT`AwAy> lolcat: our biggest is 80GB :(
336 2010-12-16 02:31:40 <lolcat> MT`AwAy: Is bitorrent abuse?
337 2010-12-16 02:31:46 <lolcat> MT`AwAy: Twice as much as I have now
338 2010-12-16 02:32:29 <MT`AwAy> lolcat: protocol is not the problem, just make sure you don't go wild on bandwidth usage (usually it's not possible with bittorrent)
339 2010-12-16 02:33:12 <kingdon> Because the protocol is meant to help distribute the load...
340 2010-12-16 02:33:13 <MT`AwAy> (the vps terms include forbidding of p2p to be able to crack down on abusers)
341 2010-12-16 02:33:46 <lolcat> I hate it
342 2010-12-16 02:33:53 <lolcat> My VPS provider.
343 2010-12-16 02:34:07 <lolcat> I pay 20USD for 40GB hdd, 256mb ram, and 100mbit unmetered.
344 2010-12-16 02:34:08 <kingdon> I finally got a decent vpn linkbat my house
345 2010-12-16 02:34:17 <Sapians> MT, the currency on the site is CAD right?
346 2010-12-16 02:34:20 <lolcat> Nobody can match that.
347 2010-12-16 02:34:21 <MT`AwAy> lolcat: if you really need to do torrents I can provide you a vps much more suited for torrents
348 2010-12-16 02:34:32 <EvanR> what about this idea, everyone whos interested sends me a number of coins. i put them all in a geocache (after taking a cut) and hide it somewhere in the world. anyone is free to go get it
349 2010-12-16 02:34:32 <MT`AwAy> Sapians: it's the best currency based on your ip's country
350 2010-12-16 02:34:41 <Sapians> sweet
351 2010-12-16 02:34:56 <lolcat> MT`AwAy: I use about ~1TB of bandwith a month, at least so far this month...
352 2010-12-16 02:34:58 <MT`AwAy> Sapians: you can switch with the upper right dropdown box
353 2010-12-16 02:35:07 <MT`AwAy> lolcat: lol
354 2010-12-16 02:35:43 <lolcat> I pay 20USD, and they don't seam to care about bandwith usage
355 2010-12-16 02:35:58 <davux> MT`AwAy: what country are you in?
356 2010-12-16 02:35:59 <MT`AwAy> lolcat: then stay there ? :D
357 2010-12-16 02:36:03 <lolcat> They don't seam to care about anything really, but their service works.
358 2010-12-16 02:36:04 <MT`AwAy> davux: Japan
359 2010-12-16 02:36:23 <lolcat> MT`AwAy: I need a bigger harddrive, and they havent replied on the email I sent earlier today...
360 2010-12-16 02:36:55 <MT`AwAy> lolcat: give 'em 48 hours
361 2010-12-16 02:36:56 <MT`AwAy> :D
362 2010-12-16 02:37:09 <lolcat> Harddrive and ram is the only things I need a little more of
363 2010-12-16 02:37:28 <lolcat> But 1TB transfer on linode would cost me 5x what I am paying now
364 2010-12-16 02:37:32 <lolcat> Weird world
365 2010-12-16 02:37:32 <MT`AwAy> yeah, 256MB is really little
366 2010-12-16 02:37:45 <lolcat> Yep, can't run MySql on it
367 2010-12-16 02:37:48 <MT`AwAy> my smallest vps is 512MB
368 2010-12-16 02:38:02 <lolcat> For a torrent box, you really dont need more
369 2010-12-16 02:38:19 <lolcat> The storage is my bottleneck
370 2010-12-16 02:38:26 <MT`AwAy> use a nfs server ?
371 2010-12-16 02:38:52 <lolcat> I think I would loose a lot of storage through the connections between the vps and nfs
372 2010-12-16 02:39:02 <lolcat> err, bandwith
373 2010-12-16 02:39:05 <lolcat> Id waste bandwith
374 2010-12-16 02:39:20 <lolcat> seeding/downloading would use a lot of speed
375 2010-12-16 02:39:28 <kiba> lolcat: so you run torrents?
376 2010-12-16 02:39:41 <MT`AwAy> lolcat: the idea would be to copy to nfs only completed entries
377 2010-12-16 02:43:55 <MT`AwAy> btw lolcat what kind of vm do they provide?
378 2010-12-16 02:46:41 <Auctwo> does the bitcoin pooled miner support 4-way SSE2?
379 2010-12-16 02:47:08 <doublec> Auctus, the latest code from puddinpop does
380 2010-12-16 02:47:35 <Auctus> doublec, cool. So that's why my brother's computer is twice as fast. :P
381 2010-12-16 02:47:53 <doublec> Auctus, have you seen the new pool?
382 2010-12-16 02:48:11 <Auctus> doublec, yeah, I will switch over to it after this block on the old pool finishes
383 2010-12-16 02:48:36 <EvanR> whats the site... coinpaste? cant find it
384 2010-12-16 02:48:40 <doublec> Auctus, I mean this one http://mining.bitcoin.cz/
385 2010-12-16 02:48:44 <doublec> ie. an even newer one
386 2010-12-16 02:48:48 <doublec> using a different system
387 2010-12-16 02:48:58 <Auctus> oh, no I havent.
388 2010-12-16 02:49:03 <doublec> the main downside is distribution of generated coins is manual via transfer
389 2010-12-16 02:49:09 <doublec> rather than at the generated block stage
390 2010-12-16 02:49:16 <doublec> but it can use standard getwork miners
391 2010-12-16 02:50:05 <doublec> I don't know how it decides to distribute the coins though
392 2010-12-16 02:50:30 <Auctus> i trust a .co.nz domain more than a .cz one, as far as how likely the people running the server are to be taking a cut
393 2010-12-16 02:50:31 <Auctus> :P
394 2010-12-16 02:52:27 <Auctus> do you have to have your bitcoin client running to receive coins?
395 2010-12-16 02:54:07 <[Noodles]> no, just to spend them
396 2010-12-16 02:59:18 <EvanR> so if i upload my photos to pastecoin, will people send me coins??
397 2010-12-16 02:59:28 <MT`AwAy> EvanR: if they are interested
398 2010-12-16 02:59:35 <doublec> are they original?
399 2010-12-16 02:59:45 <EvanR> i took them with my camera several years ago in college
400 2010-12-16 03:00:04 <doublec> not that they have to be, but if they aren't people can just tineye the preview and get them elsewhere.
401 2010-12-16 03:00:13 <EvanR> tineye?
402 2010-12-16 03:00:24 <doublec> http://tineye.com
403 2010-12-16 03:00:39 <doublec> You upoload or give it a link to an image and it finds on the web where it came from
404 2010-12-16 03:00:46 <doublec> even if it has been watermarked, resized, modified
405 2010-12-16 03:00:54 <EvanR> interesting
406 2010-12-16 03:01:15 <EvanR> they are very high rez, is that a problem
407 2010-12-16 03:02:27 <doublec> How big are they (in bytes)?
408 2010-12-16 03:02:32 <doublec> I think pastecoin has an upload limit
409 2010-12-16 03:02:59 <EvanR> this one is like 4.6M
410 2010-12-16 03:03:12 <doublec> you'd have to try it to know
411 2010-12-16 03:03:24 <EvanR> i mean what do people usually want
412 2010-12-16 03:03:34 <EvanR> super high rez or medium
413 2010-12-16 03:03:55 <MT`AwAy> EvanR: if you have suepr high rez, you can make medium by yourself :d
414 2010-12-16 03:04:03 <EvanR> ok then
415 2010-12-16 03:04:07 <MT`AwAy> ie, buying super high rez is better
416 2010-12-16 03:04:08 <MT`AwAy> :p
417 2010-12-16 03:04:41 <EvanR> what do i charge?
418 2010-12-16 03:04:45 <EvanR> 1 coin per pixel!
419 2010-12-16 03:05:17 <EvanR> is it possible to view other things for sale on pastecoin?
420 2010-12-16 03:05:33 <MT`AwAy> EvanR: just look at kiba's thread
421 2010-12-16 03:06:07 <EvanR> ah, so theres no gallery
422 2010-12-16 03:06:44 <MT`AwAy> EvanR: would that be desireable ?
423 2010-12-16 03:07:14 <MT`AwAy> you can discuss features you'd like with genjix
424 2010-12-16 03:08:19 <EvanR> well i can see some serious trading happening if you can click a slew of things for sale and download them all ;)
425 2010-12-16 03:08:53 <MT`AwAy> yep
426 2010-12-16 03:08:59 <MT`AwAy> per-user gallery could be great
427 2010-12-16 03:09:10 <MT`AwAy> in fact, a user system would be a great start on pastecoin
428 2010-12-16 03:09:20 <Sapians> yeah
429 2010-12-16 03:10:51 <EvanR> here goes nothing
430 2010-12-16 03:11:59 <EvanR> i uploaded something
431 2010-12-16 03:12:10 <nanotube> doublec: hmm... maybe you should make a wiki page with a list of mining pools. :)
432 2010-12-16 03:12:31 <EvanR> i have direct link and paid link
433 2010-12-16 03:12:40 <nanotube> EvanR: re: the contribution pool to release a work: there was a php script posted on the forums that allowed you to set up a contribution pool like that. look around.
434 2010-12-16 03:12:51 <EvanR> cool
435 2010-12-16 03:13:10 <EvanR> http://pastecoin.com/download.php?file=95 did i do this right? :S
436 2010-12-16 03:14:20 <doublec> it'd be good if pastecoin let you add a description as well
437 2010-12-16 03:14:43 <MT`AwAy> doublec: tell that to genjix too :D
438 2010-12-16 03:15:16 <EvanR> or a filename...
439 2010-12-16 03:24:33 <nelisky> ;;bc,stats
440 2010-12-16 03:24:36 <gribble> Current Blocks: 97808 | Current Difficulty: 12252.03471156 | Next Difficulty At Block: 98783 | Next Difficulty In: 975 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 20 hours, 24 minutes, and 57 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 14178.99203053
441 2010-12-16 03:25:38 <EvanR> ok this one is very high rez
442 2010-12-16 03:25:45 <EvanR> and might be more interesting
443 2010-12-16 03:25:58 <EvanR> http://pastecoin.com/download.php?file=96
444 2010-12-16 03:26:32 <MT`AwAy> is that your cat?
445 2010-12-16 03:26:43 <MT`AwAy> I mean, who would want to download a lolcat ?
446 2010-12-16 03:26:49 <MT`AwAy> well, pay for a lolcat
447 2010-12-16 03:26:54 <EvanR> as i said
448 2010-12-16 03:26:56 <EvanR> very high rez!
449 2010-12-16 03:26:57 <EvanR> lol
450 2010-12-16 03:27:07 <EvanR> its the cat that lived in the apartment/dorm
451 2010-12-16 03:27:07 <MT`AwAy> I got the almost-exact-same picture featuring my cat
452 2010-12-16 03:27:12 <MT`AwAy> in the same kind of place
453 2010-12-16 03:27:16 <MT`AwAy> using the same face
454 2010-12-16 03:27:23 <EvanR> i but you dont have this one though
455 2010-12-16 03:27:53 <MT`AwAy> preview generation is slow, maybe genjix is not caching it on disk?
456 2010-12-16 03:28:00 <MT`AwAy> http://pastecoin.com/preview/50c7jopko0.jpg <- takes more than 5 secs x.x
457 2010-12-16 03:28:01 <MT`AwAy> oh
458 2010-12-16 03:28:04 <MT`AwAy> speaking of the devil :D
459 2010-12-16 03:28:12 <genjix> boo
460 2010-12-16 03:28:18 <genjix> i am caching it.
461 2010-12-16 03:28:27 <genjix> it's stored in the database.
462 2010-12-16 03:28:32 <MT`AwAy> lol
463 2010-12-16 03:28:45 <MT`AwAy> EvanR had some suggestions for you I think
464 2010-12-16 03:28:46 <EvanR> http://pastecoin.com/download.php?file=97
465 2010-12-16 03:28:46 <MT`AwAy> :D
466 2010-12-16 03:28:48 <genjix> (i mean the filename of the preview)
467 2010-12-16 03:29:11 <EvanR> haha never thought of these as lol cat pictures
468 2010-12-16 03:29:34 <MT`AwAy> anyway I'm going back to work
469 2010-12-16 03:29:38 <MT`AwAy> got other things to do than irc
470 2010-12-16 03:29:45 <EvanR> genjix: a gallery could be cool
471 2010-12-16 03:30:06 <genjix> if someone wants to take over the site and implement these features then its opensource
472 2010-12-16 03:30:11 <EvanR> like at a bazaar you got a selection of items to choose from but this only shows you one thing at a time and also has no way to browse
473 2010-12-16 03:30:17 <genjix> https://github.com/genjix/pastecoin
474 2010-12-16 03:30:41 <EvanR> who gets a cut then?
475 2010-12-16 03:30:43 <genjix> i wrote it as a hackjob over a weekend to learn bitcoin
476 2010-12-16 03:31:10 <genjix> either a) you can buy the site off me and maintain it
477 2010-12-16 03:31:10 <MT`AwAy> genjix: so if someone takes over I should give 'em the vps?
478 2010-12-16 03:31:16 <genjix> yes
479 2010-12-16 03:31:23 <MT`AwAy> 'k
480 2010-12-16 03:31:24 <genjix> b) setup your own since the sourcecode is there
481 2010-12-16 03:31:37 <genjix> oh and MT`AwAy gets a cut too if you buy it :p
482 2010-12-16 03:31:49 <MT`AwAy> xD
483 2010-12-16 03:32:12 <genjix> buy you buy it and you get all the people already using it + the brand ;)
484 2010-12-16 03:32:22 <genjix> and it's all setup too
485 2010-12-16 03:32:37 <EvanR> satisfaction guaranteed or your money back, minus shipping
486 2010-12-16 03:33:16 <MT`AwAy> EvanR: and like chinese ebay sellers, 1$ price, 99$ shipping
487 2010-12-16 03:33:17 <genjix> (i want to pass it on since people keep asking for features i dont have time to develop cos of my other bitcoin project in the works)
488 2010-12-16 03:33:44 <EvanR> at some point i was told websites were easy to develop
489 2010-12-16 03:33:47 <genjix> (but its a shame to let it go to watse)
490 2010-12-16 03:34:05 <EvanR> thanks to phpoop, its like reliable nice websites are even harder to write than C code
491 2010-12-16 03:34:13 <MT`AwAy> genjix: I could have considered taking over with a new codebase if I had time to, but html is just not my thing
492 2010-12-16 03:34:30 <kiba> I don't write in html
493 2010-12-16 03:34:36 <kiba> I write in haml!
494 2010-12-16 03:35:34 <Sapians> I tried rails, but it was a pain to try and set up - not to mention trying to learn the language
495 2010-12-16 03:35:39 <genjix> MT`AwAy: how come you have a php email? :D
496 2010-12-16 03:35:50 <MT`AwAy> genjix: because I write patches to php and fix bugs in php
497 2010-12-16 03:36:05 <MT`AwAy> I got a svn access to the php source
498 2010-12-16 03:36:10 <MT`AwAy> :p
499 2010-12-16 03:36:13 <Sapians> I know who I'm going to contact if I have a question on php that I can't find the answer to :P
500 2010-12-16 03:36:17 <genjix> bows to MT
501 2010-12-16 03:36:26 <genjix> good job
502 2010-12-16 03:36:35 <MT`AwAy> Sapians: I'm already helping people like mtgox :p
503 2010-12-16 03:36:45 <MT`AwAy> (can't tell on what, but you'll know soon enough)
504 2010-12-16 03:36:57 <kiba> Sapians: it is easy to set up
505 2010-12-16 03:37:11 <kiba> but I am biased
506 2010-12-16 03:37:14 <MT`AwAy> genjix: well just saying, anyway coding the backend for a pastecoin-like service is easy, what I don't like doing is the html thingy
507 2010-12-16 03:37:27 <kiba> I would like 0 confirmation
508 2010-12-16 03:37:31 <kiba> but genjix is too lazy to do it
509 2010-12-16 03:37:38 <MT`AwAy> :p
510 2010-12-16 03:37:42 <EvanR> MT`AwAy: right.
511 2010-12-16 03:37:46 <EvanR> html is crap
512 2010-12-16 03:37:46 <kiba> and I am too lazy to pay genjix
513 2010-12-16 03:37:48 <MT`AwAy> 0 confirmation download, wouldn't be too hard
514 2010-12-16 03:38:02 <MT`AwAy> (but you only get your share once confirmed)
515 2010-12-16 03:38:05 <kiba> I looked through the source, couldn't find a way to do it
516 2010-12-16 03:38:06 <Sapians> MT`AwAy: I'm crap at design as well... which is why I use free templates :P
517 2010-12-16 03:38:12 <genjix> MT`AwAy: i tried 0 confirmation download and it didn't work
518 2010-12-16 03:38:20 <kiba> why it didn't work?
519 2010-12-16 03:38:35 <MT`AwAy> Sapians: I hate touching html, that's why I hire people
520 2010-12-16 03:38:44 <doublec> genjix, does pastecoin make much money?
521 2010-12-16 03:38:48 <MT`AwAy> Sapians: http://en.wiki.gg.st/wiki/TplEditor <- and made a separate tpl editor
522 2010-12-16 03:38:51 <genjix> doublec: no.
523 2010-12-16 03:38:59 <doublec> genjix, maybe you should sell it as a going concern by auction
524 2010-12-16 03:39:13 <genjix> most people upload files for 1 btc = 0.02 btc for me :D
525 2010-12-16 03:39:16 <kiba> first site auction in bitcoin
526 2010-12-16 03:39:28 <genjix> doublec: what is that? a going concern?
527 2010-12-16 03:39:41 <doublec> genjix, it means selling an operating business
528 2010-12-16 03:39:54 <genjix> ok. I'll do that/
529 2010-12-16 03:39:55 <kiba> how much do you value the pastecoin name, genjix ?
530 2010-12-16 03:39:55 <MT`AwAy> anyone willing to do the design/html/slave part of a pastecoin-like site with http://en.wiki.gg.st/wiki/TplEditor for 200 btc?
531 2010-12-16 03:39:57 <nanotube> MT`AwAy: ooooh exciting secrets!
532 2010-12-16 03:40:00 <doublec> genjix, so the owner gets the name pastecoin.com, etc
533 2010-12-16 03:40:25 <EvanR> http://pastecoin.com/download.php?file=98
534 2010-12-16 03:40:41 <MT`AwAy> EvanR: ooh, it's red
535 2010-12-16 03:40:43 <kiba> maybe bencoder would have a decent name for his domain
536 2010-12-16 03:40:44 <kiba> err
537 2010-12-16 03:40:46 <doublec> 0 confirmations would increase the uptake I think
538 2010-12-16 03:40:48 <kiba> download site
539 2010-12-16 03:40:50 <EvanR> haha
540 2010-12-16 03:40:51 <MT`AwAy> this one actually looks nice
541 2010-12-16 03:40:53 <doublec> paying and waiting is a bit of a downer
542 2010-12-16 03:41:08 <MT`AwAy> :p
543 2010-12-16 03:41:11 <kiba> yeah, you should fix that
544 2010-12-16 03:41:12 <genjix> doublec: i couldnt get 0 confirmations to work
545 2010-12-16 03:41:14 <kiba> I might be losing customer
546 2010-12-16 03:41:32 <kiba> genjix: dude, just give people more details and start making it work
547 2010-12-16 03:41:36 <doublec> genjix, right, the bitcoind server doesn't show it
548 2010-12-16 03:41:36 <genjix> i just added 0 as a third argument to everything
549 2010-12-16 03:41:56 <MT`AwAy> doublec: it does
550 2010-12-16 03:42:01 <doublec> genjix, I'd use the monitortransaction patch on bitcoind and monitor the addresses
551 2010-12-16 03:42:11 <doublec> genjix, you'll get immediate notification of a payment then
552 2010-12-16 03:42:24 <doublec> MT`AwAy, yes but you have to poll for it
553 2010-12-16 03:42:29 <genjix> and it didn't work- getbalance(accname, 0) move(..., 0) sendfromaccount(..., 0)
554 2010-12-16 03:42:42 <genjix> doublec: is that in svn? or... ?
555 2010-12-16 03:42:44 <MT`AwAy> doublec: just check when the guy reloads the page, no need to poll at other time
556 2010-12-16 03:42:53 <doublec> genjix, it's in gavin's git repository
557 2010-12-16 03:43:12 <MT`AwAy> genjix: sendfromaccount is meaningless
558 2010-12-16 03:43:38 <genjix> MT`AwAy: why, works for me?
559 2010-12-16 03:43:56 <MT`AwAy> genjix: I mean it doesn't have much difference when compared to sendtoaddress
560 2010-12-16 03:44:11 <MT`AwAy> anyway
561 2010-12-16 03:44:17 <genjix> except that I'm using ip addresses for accounts
562 2010-12-16 03:44:17 <MT`AwAy> I guess nobody wants to help for 200 btc :p
563 2010-12-16 03:44:28 <kiba> help what?
564 2010-12-16 03:44:32 <MT`AwAy> html
565 2010-12-16 03:44:46 <kiba> at least not directly
566 2010-12-16 03:44:49 <EvanR> alright ill do it.
567 2010-12-16 03:44:55 <kiba> and I sucks at designing site anyway
568 2010-12-16 03:44:58 <MT`AwAy> <MT`AwAy> anyone willing to do the design/html/slave part of a pastecoin-like site with http://en.wiki.gg.st/wiki/TplEditor for 200 btc?
569 2010-12-16 03:45:08 <kiba> MT`AwAy: you're doing the download site too?
570 2010-12-16 03:45:16 <EvanR> oh tpleditor
571 2010-12-16 03:45:18 <MT`AwAy> maybe
572 2010-12-16 03:45:44 <EvanR> wtf
573 2010-12-16 03:46:02 <doublec> everyone's doing download sites!
574 2010-12-16 03:46:09 <MT`AwAy> EvanR: :D
575 2010-12-16 03:46:35 <EvanR> what happened to vim
576 2010-12-16 03:46:50 <doublec> bitcoin has moved from gambling sites as the first thing people do
577 2010-12-16 03:46:54 <MT`AwAy> kiba: adding the features you requested wouldn't be much difficult
578 2010-12-16 03:46:59 <MT`AwAy> EvanR: vim has troubles editing data in mysql
579 2010-12-16 03:47:01 <EvanR> most things do
580 2010-12-16 03:47:03 <MT`AwAy> that's why I wrote my own tpl editor
581 2010-12-16 03:47:13 <genjix> m/ vim
582 2010-12-16 03:47:51 <EvanR> why do i have to use this editor
583 2010-12-16 03:47:53 <MT`AwAy> also most of the guys I hire to do html do not even know what a console is
584 2010-12-16 03:47:55 <MT`AwAy> xD
585 2010-12-16 03:47:57 <MT`AwAy> EvanR: well then let's forget it
586 2010-12-16 03:48:02 <kiba> I have to design it, not just code it?
587 2010-12-16 03:48:04 <MT`AwAy> kiba: of course, if 200 btc is not enough, then let's say 400
588 2010-12-16 03:48:12 <kiba> what does this have to do with..umm
589 2010-12-16 03:48:21 <kiba> mysql?
590 2010-12-16 03:48:26 <EvanR> right
591 2010-12-16 03:48:29 <EvanR> lol
592 2010-12-16 03:48:29 <kiba> and why do I have to mess with mysql?
593 2010-12-16 03:48:29 <MT`AwAy> kiba: template engine I wrote stores stuff in mysql
594 2010-12-16 03:48:34 <MT`AwAy> kiba: you don't, the tpl editor does everything for you
595 2010-12-16 03:48:45 <kiba> why can't I used emacs instead?
596 2010-12-16 03:48:49 <EvanR> haha
597 2010-12-16 03:48:57 <MT`AwAy> kiba: write a xslt backend for emacs?
598 2010-12-16 03:49:03 <EvanR> the operation doesnt sound very unixy
599 2010-12-16 03:49:03 <MT`AwAy> not xslt
600 2010-12-16 03:49:04 <MT`AwAy> er
601 2010-12-16 03:49:15 <MT`AwAy> wddx
602 2010-12-16 03:49:29 <genjix> MT`AwAy: your project looks pretty cool. why haven't you popularised it?
603 2010-12-16 03:49:32 <kiba> 1000 BTC or I am nto doing it
604 2010-12-16 03:49:41 <genjix> or are you still chipping away at it.
605 2010-12-16 03:49:52 <MT`AwAy> genjix: which one ?
606 2010-12-16 03:49:55 <genjix> kiba: wtf you should show some work at least.
607 2010-12-16 03:50:03 <genjix> MT`AwAy: the editor
608 2010-12-16 03:50:06 <MT`AwAy> genjix: don't forget kiba is an artist :D
609 2010-12-16 03:50:10 <kiba> genjix: what ya talking about?
610 2010-12-16 03:50:14 <kiba> I have some work
611 2010-12-16 03:50:20 <kiba> it's called www.soulplaying.com
612 2010-12-16 03:50:43 <MT`AwAy> genjix: it's internal stuff, just like gawker's leaked GANJA framework, except I didn't write it while smoking pot, so it looks a bit better
613 2010-12-16 03:51:24 <kiba> I am an artist/programmer
614 2010-12-16 03:52:13 <doublec> I am the inverse of that
615 2010-12-16 03:52:16 <Phoebus> Also haxx0r right? :P
616 2010-12-16 03:52:17 <kiba> you never going to get me to write in direct html
617 2010-12-16 03:52:21 <kiba> I can do haml
618 2010-12-16 03:52:43 <EvanR> MT`AwAy is using a custom templater
619 2010-12-16 03:52:43 <genjix> i hate html/css <- most hacked up standards ever. but i do love gfx design :p
620 2010-12-16 03:53:18 <kiba> isn't there a job board site for bitcoin?
621 2010-12-16 03:53:21 <kiba> you could use that
622 2010-12-16 03:53:26 <MT`AwAy> EvanR: I'm using that so I can have people do the html for me, I got like 3~4 ppl working on various projects, but no spare to work on bitcoin-related projects yet
623 2010-12-16 03:53:49 <MT`AwAy> and I haven't much time myself either since I have a bitcoin client to finish
624 2010-12-16 03:54:14 <kiba> suburian sprawl
625 2010-12-16 03:54:19 <EvanR> i should just stop playing around and get my own site together
626 2010-12-16 03:54:30 <kiba> I got my own site but nobody use it
627 2010-12-16 03:54:33 <kiba> at least not yet
628 2010-12-16 03:54:47 <Sapians> linky?
629 2010-12-16 03:54:50 <MT`AwAy> I got a few sales on kalyhost in bitcoins:D
630 2010-12-16 03:54:56 <kiba> www.soulplaying.com
631 2010-12-16 03:54:58 <MT`AwAy> but now I got bitcoins I can't use :p
632 2010-12-16 03:55:00 <EvanR> i dont have hosting, i would definitely be interested in renting with you MT`AwAy, when i have more than 40USD to my name
633 2010-12-16 03:55:15 <Sapians> I think you'll like my idea MT`AwAy ;)
634 2010-12-16 03:55:24 <Zarutian> kiba: alread read it then? well at least if it entices more people to read it I am contently satisfied.
635 2010-12-16 03:55:38 <nanotube> MT`AwAy: why can't you use your bitcoins?
636 2010-12-16 03:55:41 <MT`AwAy> Zarutian: I stopped at word "Americans"
637 2010-12-16 03:55:54 <MT`AwAy> nanotube: well, I can *use* them, just can't exchange them
638 2010-12-16 03:56:02 <nanotube> MT`AwAy: you can at worst, sell them on mtgox or cash out with bitcoin2cc, or sell on -otc
639 2010-12-16 03:56:04 <kiba> because MT`AwAy isn't in America?
640 2010-12-16 03:56:20 <nanotube> it is possible to convert usd to ... any other currency, you know, kiba :)
641 2010-12-16 03:56:34 <Sapians> you know what would be awesome?
642 2010-12-16 03:56:40 <MT`AwAy> nanotube: exchanging with mtgox causes fee to go at least 0.65%+1%+x%+3.9%+2.5%
643 2010-12-16 03:56:41 <Sapians> if Kiva accepted BTCs
644 2010-12-16 03:56:43 <Zarutian> MT`AwAy: would that btc client include an url handler for the scheme I and theymos put together few moons back?
645 2010-12-16 03:56:53 <MT`AwAy> Zarutian: would be possible
646 2010-12-16 03:57:03 <nanotube> MT`AwAy: well, try putting up some orders for jpy on otc. :)
647 2010-12-16 03:57:04 <Zarutian> Sapians: who or what is Kiva?
648 2010-12-16 03:57:07 <kiba> nanotube: what about it?
649 2010-12-16 03:57:14 <kiba> my site accept bitcoin only
650 2010-12-16 03:57:15 <kiba> not USD
651 2010-12-16 03:57:22 <kiba> but I didn't update the front page
652 2010-12-16 03:57:22 <MT`AwAy> nanotube: I'm like the only guy living in Japan around bitcoins
653 2010-12-16 03:57:31 <Sapians> Zarutian: http://www.kiva.org/
654 2010-12-16 03:57:34 <nanotube> i recall seeing a few people with .jp hosts :)
655 2010-12-16 03:57:40 <nanotube> MT`AwAy: --^
656 2010-12-16 03:57:43 <nanotube> so you may be surprised.
657 2010-12-16 03:57:48 <MT`AwAy> xD
658 2010-12-16 03:58:04 <Zarutian> Sapians: a micro loan institution? it would be nifty indeed.
659 2010-12-16 03:58:12 <Sapians> yeah
660 2010-12-16 03:58:16 <MT`AwAy> and I'm too lazy to try to get inside otc's "web of trust", and last time I asked someone from there to sell my bitcoin the proposed rate was like 1/4th of mtgox
661 2010-12-16 03:58:26 <EvanR> microloan, is the interest rate 500% :D
662 2010-12-16 03:58:35 <Sapians> nope
663 2010-12-16 03:58:36 <MT`AwAy> EvanR: kiva is 0% interest
664 2010-12-16 03:58:38 <nanotube> MT`AwAy: 1/4th? that's crazy talk.
665 2010-12-16 03:58:54 <MT`AwAy> nanotube: anyway I'd need to spend more time on that, which I can't currently
666 2010-12-16 03:58:56 <MT`AwAy> :p
667 2010-12-16 03:59:11 <Zarutian> MT`AwAy: where in Japan? Osaka? Tokyo? Northen coast?
668 2010-12-16 03:59:19 <MT`AwAy> Zarutian: Tokyo
669 2010-12-16 03:59:19 <nanotube> just suggesting. it's up to you. :) it's actually nice that you're trying to spend your bitcoins for other stuff directly. expands the bitcoin economy and all that. ):
670 2010-12-16 03:59:22 <nanotube> :) that is.
671 2010-12-16 03:59:37 <genjix> how long is normal to leave a bidding auction for my baby?
672 2010-12-16 03:59:42 <genjix> 3 days?
673 2010-12-16 03:59:47 <MT`AwAy> nanotube: I hire people to do sites and give away bitcoins to people who actually come to irc to learn more about bitcoins
674 2010-12-16 03:59:56 <Zarutian> MT`AwAy: how distant from Akibara or Shinjunku station?
675 2010-12-16 04:00:09 <MT`AwAy> Zarutian: about 25 min from shinjuku, 35min from Akiba
676 2010-12-16 04:00:59 <nanotube> MT`AwAy: righto :)
677 2010-12-16 04:01:20 <MT`AwAy> but for now on http://bitcoin.org/trade there's not much I'm directly interested in :p
678 2010-12-16 04:01:39 <Zarutian> MT`AwAy: hmm.. I think I saw a series of vids from an Tokyo local hackerspace, perhaps they might be interested?
679 2010-12-16 04:02:02 <Sapians> MT`AwAy: http://www.bitcoin2cc.com/ ?
680 2010-12-16 04:02:15 <MT`AwAy> Zarutian: we'd first need bitcoin to be translated in japanese
681 2010-12-16 04:02:50 <Sapians> anyways, it's been lovely chatting with you guys - I look forward to seeing what the future has in store for BTC :)
682 2010-12-16 04:02:51 <nanotube> MT`AwAy: what kind of stuff /are/ you interested in? (besides some webdev, which we already know about)
683 2010-12-16 04:03:06 <MT`AwAy> Sapians: I thought about it, but those visa are "dangerous" if you can't spend exactly the amount written on there
684 2010-12-16 04:03:26 <Sapians> Away|very true
685 2010-12-16 04:03:51 <Zarutian> MT`AwAy: how badly? I might be slightly helpfull (while learning tourists nihongo) at translating
686 2010-12-16 04:04:01 <MT`AwAy> nanotube: maybe if someone sold eve online PLEX
687 2010-12-16 04:04:25 <Zarutian> MT`AwAy: what is PLEX?
688 2010-12-16 04:04:32 <MT`AwAy> Zarutian: PLEX is eve online gameplay time
689 2010-12-16 04:04:33 <MT`AwAy> :)
690 2010-12-16 04:04:45 <MT`AwAy> and there is currently *no* bitcoin japanese versions at all
691 2010-12-16 04:04:50 <Phoebus> You still play eve? :P
692 2010-12-16 04:04:55 <genjix> MT`AwAy: you get 35% of the auction for pastecoin- am i being reasonable? you want 50%?
693 2010-12-16 04:05:02 <MT`AwAy> Phoebus: yes, about 1h/week xD
694 2010-12-16 04:05:51 <Zarutian> would it be neat if CCP accepted btc as part of payment?
695 2010-12-16 04:06:16 <MT`AwAy> genjix: 35% is fine
696 2010-12-16 04:06:17 <genjix> k
697 2010-12-16 04:06:17 <Phoebus> MT`AwAy, I quit a year or more ago >.< Heard of KIA? My homeboys.
698 2010-12-16 04:06:18 <MT`AwAy> Zarutian: that would be neat, but people could also just sell PLEX by themselves
699 2010-12-16 04:06:25 <nanotube> heh,maybe post a forum thread with your ask, MT`AwAy
700 2010-12-16 04:06:26 <Zarutian> MT`AwAy: people selling PLEX is fine by CCP if I recall correctly
701 2010-12-16 04:06:30 <MT`AwAy> Zarutian: yep, I think so
702 2010-12-16 04:07:10 <Zarutian> if y'all wish I can drop by their hq (if they havent moved to a foreign country due to the economic situation here) and suggest they accept btc for PLEX
703 2010-12-16 04:08:40 <genjix> MT`AwAy: I use this to backup my wallets http://pastebin.com/0r7MRGbb ... did you ever think of setting up a bitcoin backup service for people? they download a setup.sh script (which transfers the keys to the server), and then it sets up a cron job.
704 2010-12-16 04:09:13 <MT`AwAy> genjix: I'm already planning a bitcoin wallet backup service in my client
705 2010-12-16 04:09:14 <Phoebus> So put the wallets all in one place, to be stolen together? :)
706 2010-12-16 04:09:27 <genjix> hehe cool
707 2010-12-16 04:09:30 <MT`AwAy> which can only be enabled if wallet encryption is activated
708 2010-12-16 04:09:42 <genjix> wallet encryption = the best
709 2010-12-16 04:09:51 <genjix> bitcoin should have that
710 2010-12-16 04:09:53 <talso> i hide mine in a truecrypt container ;)
711 2010-12-16 04:10:05 <MT`AwAy> wallet encryption = to make a transaction you have to input a password
712 2010-12-16 04:10:16 <MT`AwAy> but to create a new address you don't need
713 2010-12-16 04:10:49 <genjix> neat
714 2010-12-16 04:11:27 <Zarutian> MT`AwAy: will your btc client allow one to see and specify from which btc addresses one wants the coins of a particular transaction to come
715 2010-12-16 04:11:33 <MT`AwAy> and the wallet backup service will automatically backup the wallet when it changes, so the backup will never be "late"
716 2010-12-16 04:11:48 <MT`AwAy> Zarutian: that's in the planned features of the extended api
717 2010-12-16 04:12:24 <MT`AwAy> you will be able to either do that by address, or by transaction id (ie, if you want to give somone a % over a transaction you received)
718 2010-12-16 04:12:41 <Zarutian> ACTION sneaks his donation btc-address 1MYWGLJfR7W1tMez8ZVkgo8MR8o9sWJpSi
719 2010-12-16 04:13:51 <Zarutian> that would be pretty kewl
720 2010-12-16 04:16:01 <gribble> Error: "bc;mtgox" is not a valid command.
721 2010-12-16 04:16:01 <Lysacor> ;;bc;mtgox
722 2010-12-16 04:16:11 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.246,"low":0.238,"vol":3829,"buy":0.225,"sell":0.2457,"last":0.2458}}
723 2010-12-16 04:16:11 <Lysacor> ;;bc,mtgox
724 2010-12-16 04:16:31 <Lysacor> looks like the market is settling a bit higher
725 2010-12-16 04:16:34 <MT`AwAy> Zarutian: you're welcome
726 2010-12-16 04:16:41 <Lysacor> not a bad thing for growth
727 2010-12-16 04:17:36 <EvanR> if growth vs usd keeps like this, is bitcoins good investment
728 2010-12-16 04:17:51 <MT`AwAy> EvanR: it's too early for that, I think
729 2010-12-16 04:18:00 <talso> high risk imho
730 2010-12-16 04:18:12 <EvanR> high risk high reward!
731 2010-12-16 04:18:44 <Lysacor> there needs to be more value in the market before it will be taken seriously by larger investors
732 2010-12-16 04:18:59 <genjix> bitcoins better not drop now sudenly that I've been a whole load of them.
733 2010-12-16 04:19:08 <genjix> ;;bc,mtgox
734 2010-12-16 04:19:09 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.246,"low":0.238,"vol":3829,"buy":0.225,"sell":0.2457,"last":0.2458}}
735 2010-12-16 04:19:09 <Zarutian> MT`AwAy: you can keep this behind your ear when an nihongo version of btc clients become aviable http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Tokyo
736 2010-12-16 04:19:44 <Lysacor> !facts
737 2010-12-16 04:19:44 <MT`AwAy> Zarutian: I'm registered on the Tokyo LUG
738 2010-12-16 04:19:59 <EvanR> one mention of it on NPR and itll definitely have effect...
739 2010-12-16 04:20:10 <EvanR> marketplace
740 2010-12-16 04:21:01 <Lysacor> whatever method it is presented in the press, it needs to be a controlled and consistent message, that is for certain
741 2010-12-16 04:21:43 <EvanR> t
742 2010-12-16 04:22:30 <Zarutian> MT`AwAy: Linux User Group? Hmm.. if you are somewhat interested in computer-security then let me know.
743 2010-12-16 04:23:04 <MT`AwAy> Zarutian: computer security is part of my work :p
744 2010-12-16 04:24:51 <Zarutian> MT`AwAy: dont you appall over how amissable much ambient authority is granted to apps by default?
745 2010-12-16 04:25:42 <MT`AwAy> Zarutian: most people do and there are already many workarounds for that
746 2010-12-16 04:39:10 <gribble> Alias bc,bcm, Alias bc,blocks, Alias bc,btcex, Alias bc,calc, Alias bc,diff, Alias bc,estimate, Alias bc,help, Alias bc,markets, Alias bc,mtgox, Alias bc,nexttarget, Alias bc,stats, Alias bc,timetonext, and Alias bc,totalbc
747 2010-12-16 04:39:10 <Lysacor> ;;bc,help
748 2010-12-16 04:39:34 <Lysacor> ;;bc,stats
749 2010-12-16 04:39:37 <gribble> Current Blocks: 97818 | Current Difficulty: 12252.03471156 | Next Difficulty At Block: 98783 | Next Difficulty In: 965 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 18 hours, 52 minutes, and 37 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 14189.06330217
750 2010-12-16 04:41:24 <EvanR> what about a wishing well
751 2010-12-16 04:42:42 <EvanR> a cute animation shows money going into it, and is a live view of the recorded donations in the well
752 2010-12-16 04:43:19 <EvanR> anyone is allowed to vote on how its used every day or so, and submit new uses.
753 2010-12-16 04:43:24 <EvanR> like which charity or whatever
754 2010-12-16 04:44:02 <EvanR> and you can write a wish with your donation, which will obviously come true !
755 2010-12-16 04:52:12 <genjix> EvanR: bitcoin only has hackers anarchist types taking it up so far
756 2010-12-16 04:52:25 <genjix> i doubt anyone here would want to "waste" money on that :p
757 2010-12-16 04:52:35 <genjix> we're not bored little girls
758 2010-12-16 04:52:57 <genjix> but i like the idea actually. it's cool.
759 2010-12-16 04:53:48 <MT`AwAy> the bored little hackers give to EFF
760 2010-12-16 04:53:49 <MT`AwAy> xD
761 2010-12-16 04:55:26 <genjix> stallman should go naked for charity (the EFF)
762 2010-12-16 04:55:31 <genjix> i would pay.
763 2010-12-16 04:58:09 <MT`AwAy> I wouldn't want to see that
764 2010-12-16 05:53:06 <kiba> I post like crazy O_o
765 2010-12-16 06:31:03 <davux> gavinandresen: are you in charge of the wiki?
766 2010-12-16 06:31:35 <davux> i think i saw your name floating around some page footer
767 2010-12-16 06:33:17 <MT`AwAy> kiba: we noticed
768 2010-12-16 06:33:23 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: how many CU does a 5750 have? 9?
769 2010-12-16 06:33:46 <MT`AwAy> ok, today I'll finish the node lookup code via irc, and start the inter-node communication protocol
770 2010-12-16 06:35:45 <ArtForz> I think so
771 2010-12-16 06:40:09 <da2ce7> dose anyone know how to calculate the current rate of bitcoin monetary inflation due to generation?
772 2010-12-16 06:40:31 <da2ce7> *oh has worked out the formula.
773 2010-12-16 06:41:03 <Diablo-D3> da2ce7: well, theres the problem
774 2010-12-16 06:41:12 <Diablo-D3> there may be none
775 2010-12-16 06:41:15 <Diablo-D3> people already price btc based on the fact theres 21 million of them
776 2010-12-16 06:41:29 <Diablo-D3> there may be no inflationary adjustment needing to be done
777 2010-12-16 06:42:55 <da2ce7> Bitcoin will be in monetary infation as long as we generate them. The value on the other hand will prob be in deflation.
778 2010-12-16 06:43:45 <da2ce7> I want to work out the "real" inflation that is deflation/inflation in USD or whatever + monatary inflation.
779 2010-12-16 06:44:46 <Diablo-D3> da2ce7: ahh, not value inflation?
780 2010-12-16 06:44:59 <Diablo-D3> still, arguably, bitcoin isnt inflating
781 2010-12-16 06:45:05 <Diablo-D3> we're just naming the coins that already exist
782 2010-12-16 06:46:10 <da2ce7> ok, what is the current instanious percentage of bitcoins being generated v.s. coins already in circulation.
783 2010-12-16 06:46:28 <Diablo-D3> hrm, not sure.
784 2010-12-16 06:46:34 <Diablo-D3> art might know
785 2010-12-16 06:46:52 <ArtForz> right now?
786 2010-12-16 06:47:00 <Diablo-D3> also
787 2010-12-16 06:47:02 <ArtForz> 1/97835 every 10 minutes
788 2010-12-16 06:47:05 <Diablo-D3> [02:33:22] <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: how many CU does a 5750 have? 9?
789 2010-12-16 06:47:24 <ArtForz> <ArtForz> I think so
790 2010-12-16 06:47:44 <ArtForz> and in 10 minutes it'll be 1/97836
791 2010-12-16 06:48:22 <da2ce7> so atm bitcoin is montanarly inflating at 37% p.a.?
792 2010-12-16 06:48:23 <Diablo-D3> ahh didnt see your answer
793 2010-12-16 06:48:30 <ArtForz> erm... no
794 2010-12-16 06:48:41 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: someone posted to my thread saying it was a 4750 so why does it say juniper... it has 5750 speed.
795 2010-12-16 06:48:51 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: so clearly, its a 5750
796 2010-12-16 06:49:08 <ArtForz> if it says juniper it's a 5750
797 2010-12-16 06:49:19 <Diablo-D3> yeah it has to be
798 2010-12-16 06:49:33 <ArtForz> 4750 doesn't exist, and if it did it'd be a RV7xx
799 2010-12-16 06:50:01 <Diablo-D3> huh, you're right, it doesnt exist
800 2010-12-16 06:50:56 <Granttt> da2ce7
801 2010-12-16 06:51:12 <ArtForz> 2011 we'll have about ... 34.5%
802 2010-12-16 06:51:13 <Granttt> da2ce7: you mean monetary expansion or inflation through devaluation ?
803 2010-12-16 06:52:21 <ArtForz> 2012 ... 25.5% or so
804 2010-12-16 06:52:58 <ArtForz> 2013 ... 10% (generation drops to 25/block late 2012)
805 2010-12-16 06:53:04 <da2ce7> yeah, but that rate can be instaniously calculated for any given time useing a ODE. Just wondering if sombody has worked out the formula already
806 2010-12-16 06:53:51 <da2ce7> it isn't a simple ODE as the rate of decline isn't smooth.
807 2010-12-16 06:54:40 <ArtForz> yep
808 2010-12-16 07:03:47 <Phoebus> What do you guys think about bitvote, distributed voting/decision making?
809 2010-12-16 07:04:10 <Diablo-D3> Phoebus: it would destroy the republican party, really
810 2010-12-16 07:04:22 <Phoebus> Use a similar setup, but the problem is, giving a hash for a real identity.
811 2010-12-16 07:04:54 <Phoebus> Diablo-D3, I guess. But what if it's used for more things than just politics.
812 2010-12-16 07:05:20 <Diablo-D3> meh, overkill then
813 2010-12-16 07:05:30 <Phoebus> How do you mean?
814 2010-12-16 07:05:41 <Diablo-D3> you'd just use some shitty website if it wasnt important
815 2010-12-16 07:05:56 <Phoebus> ?
816 2010-12-16 07:06:20 <Phoebus> I fail to follow, context?
817 2010-12-16 07:06:37 <Diablo-D3> its called a "poll", Phoebus
818 2010-12-16 07:07:10 <Phoebus> Right, I know about polls, but how do you verify that it hasn't been tampered?
819 2010-12-16 07:07:23 <Diablo-D3> if its not important, no one will tamper with it
820 2010-12-16 07:11:10 <Phoebus> I'm thinking about a distributed decision making system, helping communities/municipalities involve their people in town/community issues.
821 2010-12-16 07:11:31 <Phoebus> Without validation, it won't have any power - it becomes "important" by default.
822 2010-12-16 07:14:10 <joe_1> what would be an example of a decision it would make?
823 2010-12-16 07:15:30 <MT`AwAy> ( http://xkcd.com/834/ <- not related to bitcoins, but related to anonymous/wikileaks, and funny )
824 2010-12-16 07:15:56 <MT`AwAy> Phoebus: so the guys with the more cpu gets more decision power?
825 2010-12-16 07:16:16 <MT`AwAy> (they could include stuff in blocks)
826 2010-12-16 07:16:18 <Phoebus> Uhh no. But they verify the integrity of the votes.
827 2010-12-16 07:16:36 <Phoebus> I wouldn't make it as cpu intensive.
828 2010-12-16 07:17:09 <Granttt> But why, if you vote on something. That alone assumes something is going to be centralized, then why decentralize the voting itself ?
829 2010-12-16 07:17:10 <da2ce7> yeah I worked it out, I beleve it is approx 376% p.a.
830 2010-12-16 07:17:12 <Phoebus> The biggest problem is assigning one hash per person/citizen. But I guess a municipality could easily solve that by handing one out in person after ID.
831 2010-12-16 07:17:45 <MT`AwAy> Phoebus: that's assuming there is a democracy somewhere ready to give the ability to vote to their citizens
832 2010-12-16 07:18:00 <Phoebus> MT`AwAy, smaller towns could use this, communities.
833 2010-12-16 07:18:06 <Phoebus> You don't need top-down power.
834 2010-12-16 07:18:16 <Phoebus> Make it easy enough to use and set-up.
835 2010-12-16 07:18:50 <MT`AwAy> Phoebus: I think smaller towns and stuff can only use legally approved vote methods
836 2010-12-16 07:18:54 <joe_1> the trouble is that democracy is flawed
837 2010-12-16 07:19:06 <Phoebus> Not really, mayors have a lot of power.
838 2010-12-16 07:19:16 <Phoebus> Depending on the country of course, I have no idea where you're from.
839 2010-12-16 07:19:26 <Phoebus> You could just implement that locally, until it catches on.
840 2010-12-16 07:19:32 <Phoebus> Or just for citizen in a town.
841 2010-12-16 07:19:33 <MT`AwAy> Phoebus: also, your concept is assuming every single citizen has a computer
842 2010-12-16 07:19:39 <MT`AwAy> or access to a computer
843 2010-12-16 07:19:43 <Phoebus> Every citizen needs a hash.
844 2010-12-16 07:19:50 <Phoebus> They can use the library or kiosks.
845 2010-12-16 07:19:55 <MT`AwAy> in small towns? :D
846 2010-12-16 07:20:03 <Phoebus> Yeah.
847 2010-12-16 07:20:10 <Phoebus> Where are you from?
848 2010-12-16 07:20:14 <MT`AwAy> in the town next to my grand mother house, there was not even a school
849 2010-12-16 07:20:18 <Phoebus> What are your small towns like? :P
850 2010-12-16 07:20:25 <da2ce7> *scrap what I said, all wrong.
851 2010-12-16 07:20:43 <MT`AwAy> it's was a 61 ppl town, with a mayor (same for 25 years) and most people are over 70, and unable to use computers
852 2010-12-16 07:20:46 <joe_1> where are u from phoebus
853 2010-12-16 07:20:58 <Phoebus> Anyway, it's void, think of communities, they could be in a huge city, or a small town, or anywhere.
854 2010-12-16 07:21:01 <Phoebus> I'm from Greece.
855 2010-12-16 07:21:07 <Phoebus> Our small towns have internet cafes, and libraries.
856 2010-12-16 07:21:11 <MT`AwAy> Phoebus: I think you need to read the bitcoin papers first
857 2010-12-16 07:21:20 <Phoebus> With public terminals, and it's not a rich country even :P
858 2010-12-16 07:21:25 <Phoebus> MT`AwAy, I have.
859 2010-12-16 07:21:27 <MT`AwAy> talking about a bitcoin-based system that "would not be as much cpu intensive" is nonsense
860 2010-12-16 07:21:51 <Phoebus> Why is everyone here so argumentative and non-collaborative?
861 2010-12-16 07:21:57 <Phoebus> I'm just talking about an idea, chill :P
862 2010-12-16 07:22:09 <MT`AwAy> Phoebus: I'm pointing out the obvious
863 2010-12-16 07:22:22 <Phoebus> It's not obvious, nor relevant at this stage.
864 2010-12-16 07:22:23 <MT`AwAy> Phoebus: make a document (on a wiki or a html page) argumenting the pro and cons of your idea
865 2010-12-16 07:22:26 <Phoebus> Anyway, nvm :P
866 2010-12-16 07:22:34 <MT`AwAy> then we'll argument
867 2010-12-16 07:22:53 <Phoebus> So, where are you from then?
868 2010-12-16 07:23:04 <Phoebus> And you mean, present arguments, or argue :P
869 2010-12-16 07:23:07 <MT`AwAy> I live in Japan now, and I'm from France
870 2010-12-16 07:23:17 <Phoebus> Ok.
871 2010-12-16 07:23:56 <MT`AwAy> here in Japan citizens get IC cards to declare their taxes, but most are afraid of computers and don't want to touch one (even through they use cell phone all day, and their tax input is scanned by a computer after being submitted)
872 2010-12-16 07:27:21 <MT`AwAy> Phoebus: anyway your system should allow input from people who cannot or do not want to use computers
873 2010-12-16 07:27:51 <MT`AwAy> also it shouldn't be possible for anyone to know what each people have voted (ie. changing people's hash after each vote for example)
874 2010-12-16 07:27:59 <da2ce7> The correct current rate of monatry inflation is 37% p.a. since the value of bitcoin isn't falling, it is safe to say the bitcoin economy is growing at least 37% p.a.
875 2010-12-16 07:28:03 <Phoebus> How does bitcoin account for this? :P Or I guess it's only for computer users.
876 2010-12-16 07:28:16 <MT`AwAy> Phoebus: it generates tons of addresses
877 2010-12-16 07:28:36 <da2ce7> the rate is going to be arround 25% in one years time.
878 2010-12-16 07:29:33 <joe_1> phoebus: it doesn't account for it
879 2010-12-16 07:29:36 <MT`AwAy> Phoebus: if you've read bitcoin source/docs/etc, you should know for example that on first run when creating wallet.dat, bitcoin pre-creates 100 addresses, and show them as needed (pressed "new address", received funds, etc)
880 2010-12-16 07:29:44 <joe_1> non-computer users cannot participate in bitcoin
881 2010-12-16 07:29:49 <joe_1> without a liaison
882 2010-12-16 07:30:15 <MT`AwAy> oh, thought you were talking about the "being anonymous" part :p
883 2010-12-16 07:30:17 <Phoebus> Yeah... unless you generalize to phones.
884 2010-12-16 07:30:34 <MT`AwAy> Phoebus: regular phones too then
885 2010-12-16 07:30:59 <Phoebus> Yeah.
886 2010-12-16 07:31:12 <MT`AwAy> but regular phones are lacking any encryption
887 2010-12-16 07:31:19 <da2ce7> when the generation changes from 50BTC per block to 25BTC the instanious inflation rate will change from 17.5% to 8.7%
888 2010-12-16 07:31:20 <Phoebus> Use a pbx system, get people to identify, but one could easily fake ID.
889 2010-12-16 07:31:29 <Phoebus> Well, depends on how a person has "signed up".
890 2010-12-16 07:31:44 <Phoebus> I'd go with what banks use to do phone banking for now.
891 2010-12-16 07:32:14 <MT`AwAy> Phoebus: or leave people the ability to have their good old "I put a paper in a box" voting method
892 2010-12-16 07:32:16 <Phoebus> I could setup and program an asterisk server to do this, would be fun.
893 2010-12-16 07:32:23 <Phoebus> But then that server is a weakpoint.
894 2010-12-16 07:32:35 <MT`AwAy> Phoebus: and the gateway you use to receive calls to
895 2010-12-16 07:32:39 <MT`AwAy> and the gateway used by your gateway
896 2010-12-16 07:32:41 <Phoebus> MT`AwAy, people don't do that if say you want to have regular votes for town issues.
897 2010-12-16 07:32:44 <MT`AwAy> and all the providers on the line
898 2010-12-16 07:32:45 <Phoebus> Or community issues.
899 2010-12-16 07:32:46 <joe_1> can anyone give me a good anonymous socks proxy? i need to cuss out the wikipedia admin on the bitcoin talk page that originally deleted the bitcoin article.
900 2010-12-16 07:32:51 <Phoebus> Instead of voting once every 4 years :P
901 2010-12-16 07:32:55 <Phoebus> Paper voting is so cumbersome.
902 2010-12-16 07:33:12 <MT`AwAy> Phoebus: people trust paper voting
903 2010-12-16 07:33:17 <Phoebus> A free of charge phone call instead would be easy.
904 2010-12-16 07:33:19 <MT`AwAy> look at american voting machines, for example
905 2010-12-16 07:33:25 <Phoebus> Yeah but paper voting is also faked.
906 2010-12-16 07:33:36 <Phoebus> Who knows better? Have you ever checked a polling station?
907 2010-12-16 07:35:57 <da2ce7> it will take almost 17 years until the monetry inflation drops below 1%
908 2010-12-16 07:37:19 <MT`AwAy> unless rules are changed by then
909 2010-12-16 07:39:09 <Phoebus> Yeah, sure. But the benefit of an open source solution, and starting small/grass roots is that you can improve it a lot by the time someone decides to use it for large scale votes.
910 2010-12-16 07:40:03 <MT`AwAy> Phoebus: and one last thing you'll have to fight: virus and such
911 2010-12-16 07:40:29 <Phoebus> MT`AwAy, so, since you're familiar with bitcoin, how does it fight tampering now?
912 2010-12-16 07:40:36 <MT`AwAy> ie, if the system is used in such a way, someone voting in a library may have his private key stolen
913 2010-12-16 07:41:06 <MT`AwAy> Phoebus: transactions are signed with private keys (wallet.dat), and if your wallet.dat file is stolen, it's equivalent to having all your money stolen
914 2010-12-16 07:41:17 <Phoebus> Yeah, which is scary :P
915 2010-12-16 07:41:26 <Phoebus> But it's early in the implementation.
916 2010-12-16 07:41:34 <MT`AwAy> not so much if you limit the amount of money in your wallet.dat
917 2010-12-16 07:42:05 <MT`AwAy> for now there are not many alternatives but I'm sure it'll come
918 2010-12-16 07:42:12 <Phoebus> Yeah.
919 2010-12-16 07:42:18 <Phoebus> It'd be nice to see something like bitvote.
920 2010-12-16 07:42:35 <Phoebus> And tools to get communities together to decide for themselves.
921 2010-12-16 07:46:20 <Phoebus> 2517 years since the Athenian democracy. It was weak then, due to risks of demagogy, misinformation etc. But what matters is the intent. Today, we may finally have the tools to get this done.
922 2010-12-16 07:46:30 <Phoebus> We have wikileaks, and maybe it'll catch on and grow.
923 2010-12-16 07:46:38 <Phoebus> It's a cornerstone for democracy maybe working.
924 2010-12-16 07:46:41 <devon_hillard> has anyone built a bitcoin client for a modded ps3?
925 2010-12-16 07:49:08 <Abhish> Is anybody using bitcoin yet?
926 2010-12-16 07:49:21 <Granttt> Abhish: bitcoin, what's that ? ;)
927 2010-12-16 07:49:26 <donpdonp> never heard of it.
928 2010-12-16 07:49:40 <Abhish> I mean, like any vendors accepting them as tender.
929 2010-12-16 07:49:52 <Abhish> I think its a brilliant idea.
930 2010-12-16 07:50:04 <MT`AwAy> vendors ?
931 2010-12-16 07:50:06 <Phoebus> Abhish, go to the webby, click on the trade linky :P
932 2010-12-16 07:50:14 <MT`AwAy> Abhish: you checked http://bitcoin.org/trade ?
933 2010-12-16 07:50:17 <Phoebus> Abhish, you can also find more in the forums.
934 2010-12-16 07:50:26 <Abhish> I'll look again... I must have mised it.