1 2010-12-19 00:00:18 <slush_cz> Imagine that you are tipping numbers from 0 to 10. low target is 3 and higher is 6. When you tip 4, it is valid share. When you tip 7, it is valid share AND valid block
  2 2010-12-19 00:00:56 <slush_cz> so you see there are thousands of solved "block" or lower difficulty in pool. But those "blocks' are shares
  3 2010-12-19 00:01:21 <LobsterMan> can it somehow work up to the actual target from all the smaller contributions?
  4 2010-12-19 00:01:23 <slush_cz> When somebody is lucky and find share with high difficulty, pool win a block
  5 2010-12-19 00:02:31 <slush_cz> LobsterMan: dont understand
  6 2010-12-19 00:02:47 <slush_cz> target is small to get a chance for slow computers to give a share
  7 2010-12-19 00:02:49 <cosurgi> hmm... indeed compiling with g++-4.5 gave a little extra speed: from 2200 kh, to 2400 kh/s
  8 2010-12-19 00:03:00 <slush_cz> jgarzik already reported...
  9 2010-12-19 00:03:05 <BoBeR> no way
 10 2010-12-19 00:03:21 <cosurgi> but GPUs are flooding the pool server
 11 2010-12-19 00:03:46 <slush_cz> cosurgi: Yes a little bit. Until there will be dynamic target for every worker
 12 2010-12-19 00:04:03 <slush_cz> it is almost implemented - as you see 'difficulty' variable in profile. But not yet fully tested
 13 2010-12-19 00:04:25 <slush_cz> Server is still OK, approx 1-3 shares per second
 14 2010-12-19 00:04:45 <cosurgi> so it's 32 bits now. If I will pick in my profile a difficulty of 34 bits, each my share will be worth 4 normal shares... rght?
 15 2010-12-19 00:04:48 <slush_cz> getwork() is much worse
 16 2010-12-19 00:04:59 <slush_cz> cosurgi: Exactly!
 17 2010-12-19 00:05:23 <genjix> hey, how can i prove i sent some btc to someone using the txid?
 18 2010-12-19 00:05:31 <genjix> do i use blockexplorer?
 19 2010-12-19 00:05:33 <LobsterMan> slush_cz so with this if use the pool for a while then stop, but i have some shares, when the block is finally generated i will get credit for the previous block but not the next one after that?
 20 2010-12-19 00:05:37 <cosurgi> but if I switch now, be careful to multply by 4 only my new shares, not all of them, that I collected ;-)
 21 2010-12-19 00:05:55 <slush_cz> but there are still some issues with little/big endian beast. it works well when target is rounded to doubleword now :)
 22 2010-12-19 00:06:00 <genjix> >>> "how can i prove i sent some btc to someone using the txid?"
 23 2010-12-19 00:06:08 <slush_cz> LobsterMan: yes
 24 2010-12-19 00:06:39 <slush_cz> LobsterMan: You have to found share in current round. When block is found, all shares are cancelled
 25 2010-12-19 00:06:41 <cosurgi> heh, sure. It's easier to check 32 bits, maybe 24 and 64 bits. But 34 ?? difficult ;)
 26 2010-12-19 00:07:01 <bencoder> genjix: block explorer would work, if it's in a block already
 27 2010-12-19 00:07:09 <cosurgi> err... I meant 32+16 not 24 :)
 28 2010-12-19 00:07:17 <genjix> ok
 29 2010-12-19 00:07:25 <slush_cz> cosurgi: I have already some code, but I'm little confused in those things. I dont want to live them until I will be sure it is ok
 30 2010-12-19 00:07:28 <genjix> it has 8 confirms but he didnt receive it
 31 2010-12-19 00:07:40 <bencoder> http://blockexplorer.com/tx/<tx_hash>
 32 2010-12-19 00:07:43 <Cusipzzz> blockexplorer
 33 2010-12-19 00:08:30 <cosurgi> maybe his wallet address was off by one letter?
 34 2010-12-19 00:08:59 <bencoder> cosurgi: shouldn't be possible
 35 2010-12-19 00:09:00 <Cusipzzz> not possible w/confirms
 36 2010-12-19 00:09:04 <doublec> or he hasn't downloaded the block chain yet
 37 2010-12-19 00:09:11 <slush_cz> too late here, I'm going to bed
 38 2010-12-19 00:09:17 <doublec> or he's happily generating on another chain and doesn't know it
 39 2010-12-19 00:09:28 <doublec> or genjix is
 40 2010-12-19 00:09:44 <slush_cz> hackers - if you have ddos script ready, you can start it after few minutes :-D
 41 2010-12-19 00:09:53 <genjix> dont think so because he deposited to betco.in
 42 2010-12-19 00:09:55 <genjix> http://blockexplorer.com/tx/74a081fc6f3e905eb7979eff5341626b43eccb56a09cb9ac596e16e778b61992
 43 2010-12-19 00:10:05 <genjix> what does "not yet redeemed" mean?
 44 2010-12-19 00:10:17 <genjix> "Not yet redeemed"
 45 2010-12-19 00:10:26 <bencoder> means hasn't been sent to another address
 46 2010-12-19 00:11:06 <slush_cz> LobsterMan: I hope understand pool server better now :)
 47 2010-12-19 00:11:10 <slush_cz> Bye
 48 2010-12-19 00:11:14 <LobsterMan> kind of  :}
 49 2010-12-19 00:11:15 <LobsterMan> cya
 50 2010-12-19 00:11:31 <LobsterMan> slush_cz one thing
 51 2010-12-19 00:11:36 <slush_cz> yes?
 52 2010-12-19 00:11:43 <LobsterMan> i got an "invalid or stale" as a result in one of my miners
 53 2010-12-19 00:11:45 <bencoder> genjix: you mean that address you sent to is a betcoin address?
 54 2010-12-19 00:11:45 <LobsterMan> what does that mean?
 55 2010-12-19 00:11:54 <genjix> yep
 56 2010-12-19 00:12:03 <genjix> we think betcoin might just be broken
 57 2010-12-19 00:12:05 <bencoder> could be betcoin being broken then
 58 2010-12-19 00:12:07 <bencoder> yeah
 59 2010-12-19 00:12:08 <genjix> so w/e
 60 2010-12-19 00:12:09 <genjix> yep
 61 2010-12-19 00:12:18 <slush_cz> LobsterMan: glitch on network
 62 2010-12-19 00:12:24 <LobsterMan> nothing to worry about?
 63 2010-12-19 00:12:33 <genjix> he doesnt know me too well so im a little worried about him thinking im a scammer :p
 64 2010-12-19 00:12:37 <slush_cz> LobsterMan: You should be very unlucky to lost winning block :-D
 65 2010-12-19 00:12:43 <Cusipzzz> lol
 66 2010-12-19 00:12:44 <LobsterMan> hah yeah
 67 2010-12-19 00:13:11 <LobsterMan> so as it takes longer for one block to be found, the value of each share diminishes?
 68 2010-12-19 00:13:28 <slush_cz> LobsterMan: but this will happen until we use remote network :(
 69 2010-12-19 00:13:34 <doublec> genjix, that kinda sucks if it's a betco.in issue and you can't get in touch with the betco.in people
 70 2010-12-19 00:13:50 <genjix> wtf why
 71 2010-12-19 00:14:48 <doublec> I mean in general - the problem of sending to third parties rather than direct to the other persons bitcoinclient
 72 2010-12-19 00:14:59 <doublec> I'm sure you'll be able to get the betco.in people to fix it
 73 2010-12-19 00:15:07 <genjix> ah yes ofc
 74 2010-12-19 00:15:18 <genjix> i've written to him before
 75 2010-12-19 00:15:43 <doublec> it'd be nice if sites like betco.in showed that a 0/unconfirmed had been received
 76 2010-12-19 00:15:48 <doublec> so you know immediately if there's a problem
 77 2010-12-19 00:16:08 <genjix> that's not a bad idea
 78 2010-12-19 00:16:16 <Cusipzzz> ya
 79 2010-12-19 00:38:00 <joe_1> why is bitcoinwatch volume all messed up?
 80 2010-12-19 00:39:46 <tcatm> looks accurate. What's messed up?
 81 2010-12-19 00:56:25 <doublec> volume is low
 82 2010-12-19 00:57:44 <TD> there we go
 83 2010-12-19 00:57:46 <TD> getting there
 84 2010-12-19 00:58:04 <TD> i now have a bit of java that connects to a node, does a handshake then a getblocks and parses the resulting inv
 85 2010-12-19 01:00:18 <davux> i anyone feels in an artist's mood, i would love propositions of a logo for bitcoIM
 86 2010-12-19 01:00:21 <davux> http://gitorious.org/bitcoim/pages/Logo
 87 2010-12-19 01:15:27 <haploid> am I grokking this correctly?  My bitcoin balance will go from 0 to 50 after crunching for ~200 days to generate 1 block?  50 btc is the smallest discrete unit here?
 88 2010-12-19 01:16:11 <joe_1> tcatm: volume impossibly low
 89 2010-12-19 01:16:30 <dissected> random question, but are bitcoins taxable ?
 90 2010-12-19 01:16:49 <dissected> seems like any type of income would be
 91 2010-12-19 01:17:05 <joe_1> yes it's taxable but not very tax enforceable
 92 2010-12-19 01:17:23 <joe_1> i.e. very easy to hide your bitcoin income
 93 2010-12-19 01:18:59 <Kiba> joe_1: if you do with an identity that isn't tied to your
 94 2010-12-19 01:19:24 <Kiba> haploid: by chance, you will get 50 BTC
 95 2010-12-19 01:20:40 <slush_cz> haploid: ,,pool
 96 2010-12-19 01:20:41 <gribble> No fancy GPU farm, and don't want to wait for months for a block gen? Join the mining pool! http://mining.bitcoin.cz/
 97 2010-12-19 01:24:23 <haploid> ah, nice
 98 2010-12-19 01:25:09 <joe_1> only 100 coins were exchanged on mt gox today?
 99 2010-12-19 01:25:42 <Kiba> joe_1: it can get like that sometime
100 2010-12-19 01:25:42 <slush_cz> joe_1: afaik it is last 48 hours
101 2010-12-19 01:26:09 <joe_1> wow
102 2010-12-19 01:26:28 <Kiba> meh.
103 2010-12-19 01:26:35 <Kiba> slow days
104 2010-12-19 01:26:38 <joe_1> so bitcoin is not collapsing?
105 2010-12-19 01:26:54 <Kiba> yes, it's not collapsing
106 2010-12-19 01:27:01 <Grantt> sell, sell!
107 2010-12-19 01:27:06 <Grantt> ;)
108 2010-12-19 01:27:37 <tcatm> joe_1: It's was 169 coins yesterday (UTC)
109 2010-12-19 01:27:41 <Cusipzzz> confirmed collapsing
110 2010-12-19 01:27:54 <Grantt> well price went up 38% over past few days
111 2010-12-19 01:27:59 <Cusipzzz> get out while the getting is good
112 2010-12-19 01:28:11 <Grantt> the rally can't continue, it got overbought, it has to collapse a bit now
113 2010-12-19 01:28:38 <fabianhjr> Hi, sup?
114 2010-12-19 01:29:05 <Cusipzzz> hello
115 2010-12-19 01:29:49 <joe_1> for months i've always known the volume to be in the mid thousands
116 2010-12-19 01:30:27 <tcatm> joe_1: http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#vzm1g10zm2g25 daily volume of mtgox
117 2010-12-19 01:31:37 <joe_1> ok, that graph makes sense. volume has turned down a bit but i hope it's just seasonal
118 2010-12-19 01:31:56 <DerrikeG> Should an escrow bitcoin service compensate for inflation due to its long hold time on a very volatile currency?
119 2010-12-19 01:32:26 <joe_1> price'll probably fall between now and mid january as people move it on for USD to pay christmas credit card bills
120 2010-12-19 01:32:32 <Grantt> DerrikeG: it could
121 2010-12-19 01:32:42 <Kiba> joe_1: meh
122 2010-12-19 01:32:55 <haploid> I'm trying to understand how bitcoin can possibly be scalable if every wallet/client has to have a copy of the entire chain of all transactions ever conducted
123 2010-12-19 01:33:05 <tcatm> Bid volume is a little bit thin. Price could fall to 0.17 easily.
124 2010-12-19 01:33:19 <Grantt> price can fall to 0.10 in a click
125 2010-12-19 01:33:43 <Kiba> haploid: you forgot to factor in HD space
126 2010-12-19 01:33:45 <Kiba> and...
127 2010-12-19 01:33:47 <tcatm> 0.10 would take about 30k BTC
128 2010-12-19 01:33:49 <Grantt> only takes 3k usd to take it to 0.10
129 2010-12-19 01:34:02 <Kiba> development that allow lightweight block chain
130 2010-12-19 01:34:09 <joe_1> haploid: it's not scalable. when the currency gains wide use, only supercomputers will be able to be full clients.
131 2010-12-19 01:34:38 <Kiba> joe_1: if your definition of scaling include generation
132 2010-12-19 01:35:01 <joe_1> haploid: however maybe i should swallow my words because computers are constantly getting faster, more disk space
133 2010-12-19 01:35:09 <haploid> hmm
134 2010-12-19 01:36:01 <Kiba> I wonder if earth is going to be transformed into a planet size computer
135 2010-12-19 01:36:25 <gibbz> it is
136 2010-12-19 01:36:39 <tcatm> Like 42 being a bitcoin hash? :)
137 2010-12-19 01:37:18 <gibbz> we need a physical bitcoin that is worth 42 bitcoins
138 2010-12-19 01:38:41 <Grantt> gibbz: take a piece of paper and write "Fourty two bitcoins" on it ;)
139 2010-12-19 01:38:53 <DerrikeG> Made out of aluminum.
140 2010-12-19 01:39:21 <Grantt> backed by ati radeon 5970 gpu
141 2010-12-19 01:39:49 <DerrikeG> You can't put the Internet in the microwave, you can't put physical representations of Internet currency in it either.
142 2010-12-19 01:42:24 <slush_cz> too bad mtgox does not support bracket orders and so
143 2010-12-19 01:46:53 <tcatm> oh new options to add funds to mtgox
144 2010-12-19 01:49:29 <Cusipzzz> ??
145 2010-12-19 01:49:47 <Cusipzzz> telepathy ? plasma donate?
146 2010-12-19 01:49:57 <tcatm> You can select different funding methods it seems.
147 2010-12-19 01:50:03 <slush_cz> oh, cool
148 2010-12-19 01:50:30 <Grantt> thats few days old now :)
149 2010-12-19 01:50:47 <Grantt> Euro Bank Transfer is coming next week i heard
150 2010-12-19 01:50:53 <Cusipzzz> damn i was excited
151 2010-12-19 02:29:08 <genjix> hey MT`AwAy , how can i transfer the domainname to jgarzik ?
152 2010-12-19 02:30:11 <genjix> did you hear gavin saying he prefers new wiki because it looks prettier? :D
153 2010-12-19 02:35:00 <Kiba> lol
154 2010-12-19 02:37:36 <genjix> lol https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Proof-of-work
155 2010-12-19 02:37:44 <genjix> dont leave me hanging
156 2010-12-19 03:20:05 <nanotube> slush_cz: email notification of miners being down would be nice. :)
157 2010-12-19 04:23:40 <DerrikeG> This CPU mining task is stomping all over my flash player.
158 2010-12-19 04:25:53 <nanotube> heh, usually its the flash player that is stomping all over using ... anything else on the computer. :)
159 2010-12-19 04:27:01 <noagendamarket> apple will like that it kills flash
160 2010-12-19 04:27:24 <noagendamarket> they should install it on all ipads
161 2010-12-19 04:27:31 <noagendamarket> lol
162 2010-12-19 04:29:20 <nanotube> haha
163 2010-12-19 04:30:16 <DerrikeG> noagendamarket: Did you see my forum post about the site (BitcoinMedia) stalling and all that? It's still doing that.
164 2010-12-19 04:32:11 <noagendamarket> yeah derrike I am doing somethign else with it
165 2010-12-19 04:32:27 <noagendamarket> thats only a temporary place for the domain
166 2010-12-19 04:33:09 <DerrikeG> Ah, alright.
167 2010-12-19 04:33:28 <noagendamarket> I have bigger plans for bitcoinmedia lol
168 2010-12-19 05:15:52 <LobsterMan> http://science.slashdot.org/story/10/12/19/0015223/How-To-Cut-a-Nanotube-Lots-Of-Compression
169 2010-12-19 05:15:57 <LobsterMan> :P
170 2010-12-19 05:17:33 <nanotube> o/ :)
171 2010-12-19 05:19:15 <mizerydearia> ;;bc,stats
172 2010-12-19 05:19:17 <gribble> Current Blocks: 98314 | Current Difficulty: 12252.03471156 | Next Difficulty At Block: 98783 | Next Difficulty In: 469 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 19 hours, 51 minutes, and 31 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 14113.15678613
173 2010-12-19 05:21:38 <nanotube> hmm, diff est went down, it seems.
174 2010-12-19 05:25:39 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,stats
175 2010-12-19 05:25:42 <gribble> Current Blocks: 98314 | Current Difficulty: 12252.03471156 | Next Difficulty At Block: 98783 | Next Difficulty In: 469 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 19 hours, 51 minutes, and 31 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 14113.15678613
176 2010-12-19 05:25:53 <LobsterMan> doesn't change in 6 minutes eh
177 2010-12-19 05:25:56 <LobsterMan> only between blocks?
178 2010-12-19 05:28:11 <nanotube> yea
179 2010-12-19 05:28:26 <nanotube> it's based on 'time to create previous X blocks'
180 2010-12-19 05:30:27 <lfm> time to create previous 2016 blocks
181 2010-12-19 05:31:23 <nanotube> lfm: well, actually... it's time to create the blocks created so far in the current 2016 block batch.
182 2010-12-19 05:31:35 <nanotube> so currently... it's time for the previous 2016-469 blocks.
183 2010-12-19 05:32:06 <lfm> ya but when it actually changes it will be
184 2010-12-19 05:32:58 <LobsterMan> after a new block?
185 2010-12-19 05:33:15 <nanotube> lfm: mm... i thought we were talking about the estimate, not about the difficulty... but anyway, yea we're on the same page. :)
186 2010-12-19 05:34:00 <nanotube> LobsterMan: the estimate that the bot puts out is based on what i said... the actual difficulty changes happen every 2016 blocks, and are based on time to create previous 2016 blocks.
187 2010-12-19 05:34:29 <LobsterMan> yeah but i thought the bot updates its estimate after every block?
188 2010-12-19 05:34:51 <nanotube> estimate, yes, i think it is with every block.
189 2010-12-19 05:34:56 <gribble> Error: "bc,statsa" is not a valid command.
190 2010-12-19 05:34:56 <nanotube> ;;bc,statsa
191 2010-12-19 05:34:58 <nanotube> ;;bc,stats
192 2010-12-19 05:35:00 <gribble> Current Blocks: 98316 | Current Difficulty: 12252.03471156 | Next Difficulty At Block: 98783 | Next Difficulty In: 467 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 19 hours, 36 minutes, and 10 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 14106.15745393
193 2010-12-19 05:35:03 <lfm> LobsterMan: ya ok the est is updated every block but the changes should be quite small anyway
194 2010-12-19 05:35:12 <nanotube> there it is, updated...
195 2010-12-19 05:35:17 <nanotube> going down... mm
196 2010-12-19 05:35:33 <LobsterMan> a glitch or less people mining?
197 2010-12-19 05:35:54 <nanotube> no idea...
198 2010-12-19 05:36:02 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 2700000 Khps, given current difficulty of 12252.03471156 , is 5 hours, 24 minutes, and 49 seconds
199 2010-12-19 05:36:02 <nanotube> ;;bc,calc 2700000
200 2010-12-19 05:36:21 <nanotube> mm the slush pool should be generating every 5.5 hours on avg. :)
201 2010-12-19 05:36:23 <Sherpa> ;;bc,calc 1300000
202 2010-12-19 05:36:24 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1300000 Khps, given current difficulty of 12252.03471156 , is 11 hours, 14 minutes, and 38 seconds
203 2010-12-19 05:36:28 <Sherpa> ;;bc,calc 130000
204 2010-12-19 05:36:31 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 130000 Khps, given current difficulty of 12252.03471156 , is 4 days, 16 hours, 26 minutes, and 25 seconds
205 2010-12-19 05:36:38 <LobsterMan> the slush pool seems to be averaging every 8hrs or so
206 2010-12-19 05:36:54 <Sherpa> Who wrote gribble ?
207 2010-12-19 05:37:05 <Sherpa> ;;about
208 2010-12-19 05:37:06 <gribble> This bot contains factoids with answers to some frequently asked questions. Visit the bot's homepage at http://gribble.sourceforge.net/ for info and a nice list of factoids.
209 2010-12-19 05:37:09 <nanotube> LobsterMan: well, it has grown since the first blocks. it started out being about 1ghps, when i first checked.
210 2010-12-19 05:37:22 <nanotube> Sherpa: gribble's mine. why?
211 2010-12-19 05:37:58 <Sherpa> Just curious
212 2010-12-19 05:38:02 <nanotube> :)
213 2010-12-19 05:38:03 <Sherpa> i see it wasnt written for bitcoin
214 2010-12-19 05:38:06 <Sherpa> but for freenode
215 2010-12-19 05:38:17 <Sherpa> and has just adopted some bitcoin functionality
216 2010-12-19 05:38:18 <Sherpa> :P
217 2010-12-19 05:38:24 <nanotube> it's a generic irc bot
218 2010-12-19 05:38:37 <nanotube> it's 'first use' was for the sourceforge channel...
219 2010-12-19 05:38:39 <Sherpa> I know a thing or two about those
220 2010-12-19 05:38:51 <nanotube> but over time i've started using it in other places. ):
221 2010-12-19 05:38:54 <nanotube> :) that is
222 2010-12-19 05:39:19 <nanotube> tylergillies: hiya. :)
223 2010-12-19 05:39:47 <LobsterMan> nanotube what langauge is gribble written in?
224 2010-12-19 05:40:11 <Sherpa> so what source does gribble talk to for its bitcoin data, web socks? mysql? php?
225 2010-12-19 05:40:54 <nanotube> LobsterMan: python. it's based on supybot.
226 2010-12-19 05:41:03 <nanotube> Sherpa: data is from blockexplorer.com
227 2010-12-19 05:41:12 <nanotube> blockexplorer.com/q/ in fact.
228 2010-12-19 05:41:19 <Sherpa> I've browsed that a lot
229 2010-12-19 05:41:20 <nanotube> see ,,gribble page for info
230 2010-12-19 05:41:21 <gribble> Here's a bitcoin wiki page about gribble: http://www.bitcoin.org/wiki/doku.php?id=gribble
231 2010-12-19 05:41:34 <Sherpa> Thought would wget it or similar method into own mirrored file
232 2010-12-19 05:41:47 <Sherpa> update every hour
233 2010-12-19 05:42:01 <Sherpa> so requests to outside resources are low
234 2010-12-19 05:42:27 <Sherpa> There a good wiki or RFC for forumlas ?
235 2010-12-19 05:43:53 <Sherpa> I'm typing rather dislexic lately
236 2010-12-19 05:44:21 <mizerydearia> http://please.bitcoin.me ^_^
237 2010-12-19 05:44:32 <Sherpa> ...can i use this channel as a test arena ? :)
238 2010-12-19 05:45:43 <mizerydearia> Sherpa, What kind of test?
239 2010-12-19 05:45:57 <ColonelPanic1> Sherpa, your client is annoying
240 2010-12-19 05:46:07 <mizerydearia> I wouldn't recommend posting currently listening to infos.
241 2010-12-19 05:46:18 <nanotube> Sherpa: pls don't spam all channels you're on with your now-playing... that's lame. :P
242 2010-12-19 05:46:40 <ColonelPanic1> I recommend this croup called "BANd hammer"
243 2010-12-19 05:46:49 <nanotube> Sherpa: theymos said he doesn't mind live update requests. up-to-the-latest-block info is nice to have on the bat.
244 2010-12-19 05:46:56 <nanotube> Sherpa: and what do you mean by formulas?
245 2010-12-19 05:47:42 <Sherpa> calculations
246 2010-12-19 05:48:49 <Sherpa> (khash/s * difficulty) = block/sec
247 2010-12-19 05:48:57 <Sherpa> or something to that effect
248 2010-12-19 05:49:16 <lfm> Sherpa: blocks/hour = 6
249 2010-12-19 05:49:30 <Sherpa> why?
250 2010-12-19 05:49:32 <Sherpa> :P
251 2010-12-19 05:50:00 <lfm> design parameter
252 2010-12-19 05:50:08 <Sherpa> 144 blocks a day
253 2010-12-19 05:50:22 <Sherpa> 868 blocks a week
254 2010-12-19 05:50:25 <lfm> gross
255 2010-12-19 05:50:58 <Sherpa> 45136 blocks a year
256 2010-12-19 05:51:25 <Sherpa> 225680 blocks after 5 years
257 2010-12-19 05:52:29 <Sherpa> 682.756944 days of block generation ?
258 2010-12-19 05:54:36 <lfm> yup getting to two years
259 2010-12-19 05:58:12 <EvanR> 10 minutes per block
260 2010-12-19 05:58:46 <Sherpa> !btc.ver
261 2010-12-19 06:16:56 <Sherpa> BitCoin Blocks:
262 2010-12-19 06:17:12 <nanotube> Sherpa: ?
263 2010-12-19 06:17:17 <gribble> 98323
264 2010-12-19 06:17:17 <nanotube> ;;bc,blocks
265 2010-12-19 06:19:46 <Sherpa> !btc.blocks
266 2010-12-19 06:20:30 <Sherpa> !btc.ver
267 2010-12-19 06:21:10 <nanotube> Sherpa: fwiw, i only see your commands, not any output. and fwiw2, might want to do your testing in #bitcoin-bot, or #botters, or something. :)
268 2010-12-19 06:22:50 <Sherpa> !btc.blocks
269 2010-12-19 06:24:15 <Sherpa> !btc.ver
270 2010-12-19 06:37:06 <jgarzik> MT`AwAy: ping
271 2010-12-19 06:44:53 <Sherpa> almost time for sleep
272 2010-12-19 08:05:11 <craiova> Hi. Where was that map with bitcoin nodes?
273 2010-12-19 08:06:58 <MT`AwAy> yes
274 2010-12-19 08:07:04 <MT`AwAy> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2346.0
275 2010-12-19 08:08:16 <craiova> thank you
276 2010-12-19 08:30:20 <Kiba> http://www.businessinsider.com/pictures-chinese-ghost-cities-2010-12?slop=1#slideshow-start
277 2010-12-19 08:30:21 <Kiba> wow
278 2010-12-19 08:30:26 <Kiba> an entire empty city! ROFL
279 2010-12-19 08:39:22 <craiova> china is fucking superpowet
280 2010-12-19 08:39:26 <craiova> power
281 2010-12-19 08:44:03 <Kiba> 64 million houses in China are vacant!
282 2010-12-19 08:46:45 <wump> interesting
283 2010-12-19 08:47:48 <Sherpa> !btc.coins
284 2010-12-19 08:48:05 <Sherpa> Someone type that :)
285 2010-12-19 08:48:40 <da2ce7> ;;bc,stats
286 2010-12-19 08:48:42 <gribble> Current Blocks: 98350 | Current Difficulty: 12252.03471156 | Next Difficulty At Block: 98783 | Next Difficulty In: 433 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 14 hours, 9 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 14224.26081830
287 2010-12-19 08:48:56 <Kiba> craiova: a superpower that waste money doing funny shit like this
288 2010-12-19 08:50:01 <craiova> hmmm
289 2010-12-19 08:50:16 <craiova> would they allow a foreigner to move in?
290 2010-12-19 08:50:23 <Kiba> dunno
291 2010-12-19 08:50:31 <Kiba> why would you want to live in such an empty place?
292 2010-12-19 08:50:47 <craiova> yea
293 2010-12-19 08:51:16 <craiova> well, i bet it won't be empty for much longer
294 2010-12-19 08:51:39 <craiova> also, it would be a thing not many people could experience
295 2010-12-19 08:52:16 <Sherpa> Can someone type !btc.coins, i want to test my bot
296 2010-12-19 08:52:35 <hundfred> !btc.coins
297 2010-12-19 08:52:35 <Sherpa> BitCoins: 4917500
298 2010-12-19 08:52:43 <Sherpa> thx
299 2010-12-19 08:53:05 <Sherpa> more commands at !btc.help :)
300 2010-12-19 08:53:35 <hundfred> !btc.help
301 2010-12-19 08:53:36 <Sherpa> BTCBot v0.2 Commmands: !btc.ver .blocks .diff .coins .help
302 2010-12-19 08:53:40 <MT`AwAy> !btc.nodes
303 2010-12-19 08:53:41 <MT`AwAy> :D
304 2010-12-19 08:53:45 <Sherpa> soon
305 2010-12-19 08:53:58 <MT`AwAy> based on ?
306 2010-12-19 08:54:06 <Sherpa> I'll find a way
307 2010-12-19 08:54:15 <MT`AwAy> why not take https://smsz.net/btcStats/nodes ?
308 2010-12-19 08:54:38 <hundfred> !btc.send_some_to_punk <...>
309 2010-12-19 08:54:45 <craiova> How is the GPU generation going? How fast can ppl generate?
310 2010-12-19 08:54:58 <MT`AwAy> craiova: between 10 and 1000 times faster than cpu
311 2010-12-19 08:55:00 <craiova> Also, are there bitcoin-viruses that infect the pc and mine?
312 2010-12-19 08:55:07 <MT`AwAy> not yet
313 2010-12-19 08:55:08 <Sherpa> Not yet
314 2010-12-19 08:55:09 <Sherpa> :P
315 2010-12-19 08:56:03 <hundfred> is there a gpu-supported version available for dl?
316 2010-12-19 08:56:13 <craiova> i am so frustrated because i don't know any programming language
317 2010-12-19 08:56:15 <Sherpa> 3rd party yes
318 2010-12-19 08:56:24 <craiova> and there are so many things i want to do with btc
319 2010-12-19 08:56:31 <Sherpa> there is a python converted to windos binaried floating around
320 2010-12-19 08:56:38 <Sherpa> use with bitcoin.exe -server
321 2010-12-19 08:56:46 <Sherpa> specify user and pass in bitcon.conf
322 2010-12-19 08:56:53 <Sherpa> *+i
323 2010-12-19 08:57:14 <Sherpa> the # of typos is indicative of my need for sleep
324 2010-12-19 08:57:32 <kabo69> ;;bc,stats
325 2010-12-19 08:57:35 <gribble> Current Blocks: 98352 | Current Difficulty: 12252.03471156 | Next Difficulty At Block: 98783 | Next Difficulty In: 431 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 13 hours, 51 minutes, and 40 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 14227.04080720
326 2010-12-19 08:58:27 <craiova> MT`AwAy: is MTgox yours?
327 2010-12-19 08:58:35 <MT`AwAy> no
328 2010-12-19 08:58:42 <MT`AwAy> mtgox is mtgox's
329 2010-12-19 09:01:37 <craiova> ok
330 2010-12-19 09:05:22 <Kiba> man
331 2010-12-19 09:05:28 <Kiba> economy
332 2010-12-19 09:05:30 <Kiba> and the state
333 2010-12-19 09:05:40 <Kiba> is a very different textbook from what I have read
334 2010-12-19 09:05:47 <Kiba> in the past
335 2010-12-19 09:05:53 <Kiba> it starts with the fundamental
336 2010-12-19 09:06:03 <Kiba> and is a surprising compelling read
337 2010-12-19 09:10:15 <MT`AwAy> mh
338 2010-12-19 09:10:21 <MT`AwAy> my system is getting the node count wrong
339 2010-12-19 09:10:28 <MT`AwAy> fixing a bug
340 2010-12-19 09:10:46 <MT`AwAy> (it kept trying dead nodes again and again, thru not getting new infos from live nodes)
341 2010-12-19 09:11:00 <MT`AwAy> here
342 2010-12-19 09:11:05 <MT`AwAy> will take a few hours to fix
343 2010-12-19 09:11:20 <MT`AwAy> or
344 2010-12-19 09:11:26 <MT`AwAy> *massive db update*
345 2010-12-19 09:13:48 <MT`AwAy> UPDATE `Bitcoin_Node` SET `Next_Check` = NOW() WHERE `Status` = 'up'
346 2010-12-19 09:13:49 <MT`AwAy> :p
347 2010-12-19 09:15:19 <nathan7> :o
348 2010-12-19 09:17:16 <aximilation> does anyone know if there is a euro market for bitcoins yet?
349 2010-12-19 09:17:37 <MT`AwAy> https://smsz.net/btcStats/accepting <- number is growing back
350 2010-12-19 09:17:41 <MT`AwAy> aximilation: soon
351 2010-12-19 09:31:07 <Cdh> 2|hai
352 2010-12-19 09:31:46 <Cdh> 2|shouldn't the topic say that there is 0.3.19 already?
353 2010-12-19 09:52:09 <MT`AwAy> yep, same for the forum
354 2010-12-19 09:55:19 <da2ce7> slush_cz1, I've added my GPU, it is working now with the new version of the python miner.
355 2010-12-19 10:09:40 <Cdh> 2|is there an easy to compile opencl client yet?
356 2010-12-19 10:10:15 <ArtForz> huh?
357 2010-12-19 10:13:01 <Cdh> 2|i mean, all needed patches on a single site and maintained
358 2010-12-19 10:13:43 <ArtForz> what patches? just use stock bitcoin/bitcoind and a recent build of m0mchil or diablos miner
359 2010-12-19 10:14:34 <ArtForz> getwork patch was merged into mainline 0.3.18
360 2010-12-19 10:30:02 <Cdh> 2|always outdated software ...
361 2010-12-19 10:31:29 <cosurgi> jgarzik: you are limiting nonce hashing only to 2^24, instead of full 2^32, why?
362 2010-12-19 10:32:14 <cosurgi> jgarzik: you have
363 2010-12-19 10:32:17 <cosurgi> if ((n & 0xffffff) == 0) {
364 2010-12-19 10:32:21 <cosurgi> instead of:
365 2010-12-19 10:32:24 <cosurgi> if ((n & 0xffffffff) == 0) {
366 2010-12-19 10:32:36 <cosurgi> or even:
367 2010-12-19 10:32:42 <cosurgi> if ((n & ~0) == 0) {
368 2010-12-19 10:32:52 <Sirius_> MT`AwAy: ready for the wiki link change to bitcoin.it?
369 2010-12-19 10:33:20 <Sirius_> bitcoin.it looks good :)
370 2010-12-19 10:34:52 <MT`AwAy> Sirius_: ok
371 2010-12-19 10:35:05 <MT`AwAy> I'll add a link to the current wiki on the bitcoin.it home page so people can still find it then
372 2010-12-19 10:35:12 <Sirius_> ok
373 2010-12-19 10:35:44 <MT`AwAy> Sirius_: also if you link https://bitcoin.it/ (without language) it'll send to the appropriate language based on user browser
374 2010-12-19 10:36:00 <Sirius_> ok
375 2010-12-19 10:36:18 <Sirius_> changed
376 2010-12-19 10:42:09 <Cdh> 2|is this normal? http://pastebin.com/yBRT02mU
377 2010-12-19 10:43:31 <ArtForz> 1. I *think* it works better with username/password set via commandline args,  2. your bitcoin client is still catching up dwonloading the block chain, it wont start mining before it's finished
378 2010-12-19 10:43:47 <ArtForz> ;;bc,blocks
379 2010-12-19 10:43:48 <gribble> 98366
380 2010-12-19 10:43:52 <Cdh> 2|but why is repeatedly asking for authentication?
381 2010-12-19 10:44:28 <ArtForz> I think the miner is a bit stupid
382 2010-12-19 10:44:50 <ArtForz> iirc when you havent set user/pass via cmdline it assumes getting an error from bitcoin == wrong login/pass and asks over and over
383 2010-12-19 10:47:58 <Cdh> 2|i started it now like this ~ % bitcoind --daemon --rpcuser=chris --rpcpassword=12345 --rpcallowip=127.0.0.1 -datadir=/home/chris/temp/bitcoindata -gen
384 2010-12-19 10:48:08 <Cdh> 2|and then python2.7 poclbm.py -d 0 --user=chris --pass=12345
385 2010-12-19 10:48:15 <Cdh> 2|but i still get asked for username and password
386 2010-12-19 10:49:33 <ArtForz> hmmm, that *should* work
387 2010-12-19 10:51:54 <slush_cz1> da2ce7: So it works also with your bad connection?
388 2010-12-19 10:52:20 <slush_cz1> da2ce7: How many mhash you contributed? We are now touching 3000mhash barrier
389 2010-12-19 10:53:51 <Cdh> 2|if i use a miner through rpc should i disable the generating in bitcoin?
390 2010-12-19 10:56:26 <slush_cz1> still far distant from artforz's, but not too bad :)
391 2010-12-19 11:04:06 <MT`AwAy> Cdh|2: I think you need to put only one - for bitcoind for parameters
392 2010-12-19 11:04:11 <MT`AwAy> (ie, won't work with --)
393 2010-12-19 11:04:38 <ArtForz> MT`AwAy: right
394 2010-12-19 11:06:54 <Diablo-D3> hrm
395 2010-12-19 11:07:00 <Diablo-D3> why do people use m0's?
396 2010-12-19 11:07:33 <MT`AwAy> Diablo-D3: because they are free ? :p
397 2010-12-19 11:08:02 <genjix> morning
398 2010-12-19 11:10:24 <genjix> MT`AwAy: :o we became the new bitcoin.org wiki
399 2010-12-19 11:10:32 <MT`AwAy> genjix: yep, I know, Sirius_ is here
400 2010-12-19 11:10:44 <genjix> nice +1
401 2010-12-19 11:11:05 <MT`AwAy> genjix: hope it'll motivate everyone to contribute more and make this wiki the definitive source for bitcoin informations
402 2010-12-19 11:11:40 <genjix> do you think we should maybe come up with a unified structure for the main page topics
403 2010-12-19 11:11:52 <genjix> or let people decide themselves what's best?
404 2010-12-19 11:12:20 <genjix> 1) more ordered and logical. but people contribute less and get frustrated easier
405 2010-12-19 11:12:30 <genjix> 2) people work faster and better.
406 2010-12-19 11:12:56 <MT`AwAy> genjix: I think most people are able to find what they need easily, but new people need a big pointer to https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Getting_started (page which needs to be completed asap)
407 2010-12-19 11:13:21 <genjix> ok then i'll fix that up over this week
408 2010-12-19 11:13:42 <genjix> i want a bitcoin website for people new to our project :)
409 2010-12-19 11:13:58 <genjix> so i plan to make 1 small change everyday
410 2010-12-19 11:15:20 <MT`AwAy> :)
411 2010-12-19 11:15:28 <MT`AwAy> for now the Contributors Award got 100 BTC
412 2010-12-19 11:16:12 <slush_cz1> how can I obtain my current address using RPC?
413 2010-12-19 11:16:45 <MT`AwAy> slush_cz1: use listreceivedbyaddress 0 false
414 2010-12-19 11:16:48 <MT`AwAy> er
415 2010-12-19 11:16:49 <MT`AwAy> slush_cz1: use listreceivedbyaddress 0 true
416 2010-12-19 11:16:51 <slush_cz1> which is used by 'sendtoaddress'
417 2010-12-19 11:16:59 <genjix> why is MagicalTax always away? XD
418 2010-12-19 11:17:03 <genjix> but here.
419 2010-12-19 11:17:31 <slush_cz1> wow, so weird.
420 2010-12-19 11:17:34 <slush_cz1> thanks
421 2010-12-19 11:17:56 <genjix> slush_cz1: do bitcoind getaccountaddress ""
422 2010-12-19 11:18:18 <genjix> oh wait, not the same :p
423 2010-12-19 11:18:35 <slush_cz1> i see
424 2010-12-19 11:18:54 <MT`AwAy> slush_cz1: I think you'll have a listaddresses or something similar soon
425 2010-12-19 11:19:11 <slush_cz1> but rpc is definitely obscure
426 2010-12-19 11:19:28 <slush_cz1> thanks guys, I see it now
427 2010-12-19 11:24:59 <genjix> MT`AwAy: how can i transfer the pastecoin.com name to jgarzik ?
428 2010-12-19 11:25:26 <MT`AwAy> genjix: ask him to create an accoun on https://www.kalyhost.com/register.html
429 2010-12-19 11:25:31 <genjix> ok
430 2010-12-19 11:25:37 <MT`AwAy> account*
431 2010-12-19 11:29:35 <MT`AwAy> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Original_Bitcoin_client/API_Calls_list
432 2010-12-19 11:30:37 <slush_cz1> MT`AwAy: thx
433 2010-12-19 11:32:33 <slush_cz1> http://blockexplorer.com/block/000000000001586a97a0b7d5065a89c89dd1107f0d8857e805b2aaa0f224a969
434 2010-12-19 11:32:39 <slush_cz1> its my block
435 2010-12-19 11:32:52 <slush_cz1> but I don't see "To" address in my client
436 2010-12-19 11:32:58 <MT`AwAy> it's a bit lonely in there, slush_cz1
437 2010-12-19 11:34:02 <slush_cz1> i see :)
438 2010-12-19 11:34:55 <genjix> ;;bc,help
439 2010-12-19 11:34:55 <gribble> Alias bc,bcm, Alias bc,blocks, Alias bc,btcex, Alias bc,calc, Alias bc,diff, Alias bc,estimate, Alias bc,help, Alias bc,markets, Alias bc,mtgox, Alias bc,nexttarget, Alias bc,stats, Alias bc,timetonext, and Alias bc,totalbc
440 2010-12-19 11:35:00 <genjix> ;;bc,blocks
441 2010-12-19 11:35:01 <gribble> 98374
442 2010-12-19 11:35:03 <slush_cz1> has every generation own address?
443 2010-12-19 11:36:53 <MT`AwAy> slush_cz1: in theory yep
444 2010-12-19 11:37:03 <slush_cz1> definitely not see any generated blocks using RPC
445 2010-12-19 11:37:04 <MT`AwAy> I don't think however that the pool recycles addresses
446 2010-12-19 11:38:34 <da2ce7> slush_cz1, should be about 1GHash/sec
447 2010-12-19 11:39:05 <slush_cz1> wow, what gpu?
448 2010-12-19 11:39:18 <slush_cz1> I see hashrate is rising fast
449 2010-12-19 11:39:25 <da2ce7> one of my computers is dedicated to it.  Um 2x 5970
450 2010-12-19 11:39:40 <ArtForz> only 1gh from 2 5970s?
451 2010-12-19 11:39:57 <ArtForz> even stock they should be doing close to 1.1
452 2010-12-19 11:40:17 <ArtForz> well, 1.07 or so stock
453 2010-12-19 11:40:37 <da2ce7> well i'm taking into account they generate a block so often it takes ages for them to get up to speed.
454 2010-12-19 11:40:45 <da2ce7> yeah, stock speed, as I cannot overclock and keep it stable.
455 2010-12-19 11:40:52 <da2ce7> one of the gpu's is dogey.
456 2010-12-19 11:43:14 <da2ce7> hoever I have got them stable at 1.0V insted of the stock. so saving a bit of power while i'm at it.
457 2010-12-19 11:43:18 <da2ce7> *however
458 2010-12-19 11:43:34 <Cdh> 2|ha, i have figured it out
459 2010-12-19 11:43:48 <slush_cz1> I'm running my 5970 on original voltag and 820 mhz
460 2010-12-19 11:44:03 <ArtForz> yeah
461 2010-12-19 11:44:05 <Cdh> 2|i have to write rpcuser and rpcpass in the config directory and then start bitcoin without --rpcuser and without --rpcpass
462 2010-12-19 11:44:08 <slush_cz1> its pretty stable
463 2010-12-19 11:44:16 <Cdh> 2|like this:  ~ % bitcoin --rpcallowip=127.0.0.1 -datadir=/home/chris/temp/bitcoindata -server
464 2010-12-19 11:44:19 <ArtForz> most of my 5970s can do 820 or more at stock V
465 2010-12-19 11:44:32 <Cdh> 2|then this works: % python2.7 poclbm.py --user=chris --pass=12345 -d 0
466 2010-12-19 11:44:37 <slush_cz1> ArtForz: I know, I have problem with cooling
467 2010-12-19 11:44:39 <da2ce7> yeah, one of my gpu's is fucked, I need to replace the card, it won't even let the system get into windows if it is over 70C
468 2010-12-19 11:44:55 <da2ce7> but ironicaly it is stable at 1.00V/
469 2010-12-19 11:44:57 <slush_cz1> ArtForz: Card can do a lot more, but there is 32oC in room
470 2010-12-19 11:45:01 <ArtForz> yeah, so far I had 2 more-or-less DOA 5970s
471 2010-12-19 11:45:13 <Diablo-D3> da2ce7: turnt he voltage up?
472 2010-12-19 11:45:17 <da2ce7> nope down. made it stable
473 2010-12-19 11:45:23 <da2ce7> up makes it cook more
474 2010-12-19 11:45:26 <Diablo-D3> no I mean
475 2010-12-19 11:45:28 <ArtForz> one had core 2 15???C hotter than core 1
476 2010-12-19 11:45:31 <Diablo-D3> turn it down
477 2010-12-19 11:45:36 <Cdh> 2|is 26434 khash/s ok for hd 4670?
478 2010-12-19 11:46:03 <Diablo-D3> Cdh|2: should be closer to 36
479 2010-12-19 11:46:15 <da2ce7> yep, that is like it! my good gpu runs at 80C my bad one was running at 95C untill it died.
480 2010-12-19 11:46:16 <ArtForz> yeah, see http://pastebin.com/AvymGnMJ
481 2010-12-19 11:46:23 <Cdh> 2|poclbm is using 80-100% cpu...
482 2010-12-19 11:46:30 <Diablo-D3> Cdh|2: use sdk 2.1 not 2.2
483 2010-12-19 11:46:35 <ArtForz> da2ce7: yep, thats a bad card, RMA time
484 2010-12-19 11:46:45 <Cdh> 2|2.3 at the moment
485 2010-12-19 11:46:53 <Diablo-D3> but there is no 2.3!
486 2010-12-19 11:46:58 <Cdh> 2|yes it is
487 2010-12-19 11:46:59 <ArtForz> Diablo-D3: there is
488 2010-12-19 11:47:05 <Diablo-D3> christ, when did that come out
489 2010-12-19 11:47:11 <ArtForz> 15th
490 2010-12-19 11:47:17 <slush_cz1> da2ce7: Watch also VDCC temperature
491 2010-12-19 11:47:18 <ArtForz> and so did cat 10.12
492 2010-12-19 11:47:18 <Diablo-D3> fucking hell, and it still has the cpu bug?
493 2010-12-19 11:47:22 <ArtForz> yep
494 2010-12-19 11:47:24 <slush_cz1> it is much higher than gpu for me
495 2010-12-19 11:47:26 <Diablo-D3> fucking shit
496 2010-12-19 11:47:32 <Diablo-D3> what the fuck are they doing
497 2010-12-19 11:47:37 <ArtForz> and multiGPU perf still fucked
498 2010-12-19 11:47:40 <Cdh> 2|http://developer.amd.com/gpu/ATIStreamSDK/downloads/Pages/default.aspx :)
499 2010-12-19 11:47:46 <Diablo-D3> goddamnit AMD
500 2010-12-19 11:47:49 <Diablo-D3> Cdh|2: use 2.1
501 2010-12-19 11:47:54 <ArtForz> yes, VDDC temps are a lot higher than core temps
502 2010-12-19 11:47:55 <Diablo-D3> 0% cpu usage, and it runs much faster
503 2010-12-19 11:48:03 <da2ce7> yeah, it is a ASUS one also :P but I'm just wating for my 3rd card to come before I swap it out, it is stable now I have undervolted it.
504 2010-12-19 11:48:08 <ArtForz> < 110???C VDDC should be fine long-term though
505 2010-12-19 11:48:23 <slush_cz1> my gpus are under 80oC, but VDCC is on 100. It is my internal limit.
506 2010-12-19 11:48:31 <ArtForz> and hitting that without overvolting is kinda hard
507 2010-12-19 11:48:35 <slush_cz1> Worked also on 115, but it is definitely hight :)
508 2010-12-19 11:48:45 <Diablo-D3> >85 == shit fries]
509 2010-12-19 11:48:54 <Cdh> 2|ok, 2.1 then... *downloading*
510 2010-12-19 11:49:05 <ArtForz> Diablo-D3: VDDC temp
511 2010-12-19 11:49:07 <Diablo-D3> Cdh|2: and my miner should perform better than m0's
512 2010-12-19 11:49:28 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: but there isnt a vddc meter though, is there?
513 2010-12-19 11:49:36 <Cdh> 2|then i will try it
514 2010-12-19 11:49:39 <ArtForz> on windows there is
515 2010-12-19 11:49:48 <slush_cz1> Diablo-D3: I'm using GPU-Z on Win
516 2010-12-19 11:49:49 <da2ce7> how do you check the VDDC temp, afterburner dosn't have it.
517 2010-12-19 11:50:02 <ArtForz> gpu-z or rivatuner should work
518 2010-12-19 11:50:04 <da2ce7> ah gup-z
519 2010-12-19 11:50:05 <Diablo-D3> my 4850 is probably slowly frying itself
520 2010-12-19 11:50:18 <ArtForz> who cares, if it craps out ebay it
521 2010-12-19 11:50:25 <slush_cz1> :-D
522 2010-12-19 11:50:32 <Diablo-D3> ebay it? feh, I'd just toss it
523 2010-12-19 11:50:40 <Cdh> 2|oh wow, java
524 2010-12-19 11:50:45 <Cdh> 2|i'd like my card to fry
525 2010-12-19 11:50:58 <slush_cz1> Cdh|2: My first opinion was the same, but it works
526 2010-12-19 11:51:02 <Cdh> 2|then i have an excuse for buying a nvidia card
527 2010-12-19 11:51:10 <ArtForz> at least everyone else seems to operate that way, so far 100% of used cards I bought on ebay were broken in some way
528 2010-12-19 11:51:11 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: I'll just have to figure out how to remove the damned heatsinks though
529 2010-12-19 11:51:12 <Cdh> 2|because catalyst on linux sucks
530 2010-12-19 11:51:21 <Cdh> 2|every new release introduces more bugs
531 2010-12-19 11:51:26 <Diablo-D3> catalyst on linux is a shitload better than nvidia's shit
532 2010-12-19 11:51:36 <Diablo-D3> and no, I wouldnt say more bugs
533 2010-12-19 11:51:44 <Diablo-D3> theres been two fucked releases in the past year
534 2010-12-19 11:51:46 <Cdh> 2|warcraft3 freezes every 2-3 hours
535 2010-12-19 11:51:55 <Diablo-D3> 10.5 and 10.9
536 2010-12-19 11:51:57 <Cdh> 2|half life 2 freezes when you look at water in the wrong angle
537 2010-12-19 11:52:02 <Diablo-D3> Cdh|2: bullshit
538 2010-12-19 11:52:10 <Cdh> 2|no
539 2010-12-19 11:52:12 <Diablo-D3> I play hl2 with everything on or up, it runs smoothly.
540 2010-12-19 11:52:20 <Cdh> 2|i have tried with different settings and it happens everytime
541 2010-12-19 11:52:37 <Cdh> 2|i have made a video http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13721560/hl2-3.mkv
542 2010-12-19 11:52:38 <Diablo-D3> using newest wine?
543 2010-12-19 11:52:44 <ArtForz> oh, btw, bought components for my new main box
544 2010-12-19 11:52:59 <Cdh> 2|~ % pacman -Q wine
545 2010-12-19 11:53:00 <Cdh> 2|wine 1.3.9-1
546 2010-12-19 11:53:03 <Cdh> 2|~ % pacman -Q catalyst-2.6.36-ARCH
547 2010-12-19 11:53:04 <Cdh> 2|catalyst-2.6.36-ARCH 10.12-1
548 2010-12-19 11:53:05 <Diablo-D3> hrm, weird.
549 2010-12-19 11:53:11 <Diablo-D3> works fine for me.
550 2010-12-19 11:53:14 <genjix> ;;bc,blocks
551 2010-12-19 11:53:17 <gribble> 98377
552 2010-12-19 11:53:19 <Cdh> 2|doesn't work for me
553 2010-12-19 11:53:21 <ArtForz> Phenom II X6 1100T, Asus M4A87TD EVO, 16GB ECC DDR3-1333
554 2010-12-19 11:53:30 <Diablo-D3> well, its clearly not a cat bug if it doesnt happen for me
555 2010-12-19 11:53:37 <Cdh> 2|i have tested a nvidia 8800gt in the same pc and it run perfectly fine
556 2010-12-19 11:54:13 <Cdh> 2|unfortunately it has a memory defect... but on average i can play half life 2 longer with it before encountering an error than with the perfectly fine hd 4670
557 2010-12-19 11:54:16 <ArtForz> yeah, kinda cheap board, but *shrug* I'm not planning on gaming on it
558 2010-12-19 11:54:22 <Diablo-D3> also, even if you bought an nvidia card, what are you going to do with it when X removes all the legacy driver APIs/
559 2010-12-19 11:54:34 <da2ce7> yeah the vddc are 100C and 100C, on my other card they are 96C, and 94C
560 2010-12-19 11:54:44 <Diablo-D3> nvidia has already said they refuse to support gallium
561 2010-12-19 11:54:52 <Cdh> 2|then i hope the open source driver will be competitive in performance and opengl compliance
562 2010-12-19 11:55:03 <Diablo-D3> so once that transition happens, nvidia can no longer claim they support linux
563 2010-12-19 11:55:06 <ArtForz> well, radeonhd is slowly getting there
564 2010-12-19 11:55:13 <ArtForz> noveau... not so much
565 2010-12-19 11:55:25 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: no, radeonhd is dead
566 2010-12-19 11:55:32 <ArtForz> not quite
567 2010-12-19 11:55:34 <Diablo-D3> everything merged back into radeon
568 2010-12-19 11:55:49 <ArtForz> most changes and devs got merged back into radeon
569 2010-12-19 11:55:59 <Cdh> 2|even warcraft3 is still laggy with xf86-video-ati-git and mesa 7.10
570 2010-12-19 11:56:11 <Cdh> 2|with lib32-mesa and wine
571 2010-12-19 11:56:45 <Diablo-D3> Cdh|2: but you probably didnt use any of the gallium stuff
572 2010-12-19 11:56:50 <Cdh> 2|and it needs a 8 mb dx 8.1 card
573 2010-12-19 11:57:12 <Cdh> 2|with r600g i have no mouse pointer in menus and it crashes sometimes
574 2010-12-19 11:57:16 <da2ce7> after the 5970's dry up, lets hope the 6990 is going to be good.
575 2010-12-19 11:57:27 <Diablo-D3> Cdh|2: yes, and who cares what mesa classic does?
576 2010-12-19 11:57:31 <ArtForz> well.. at least it shouldnt end up slower than 5970
577 2010-12-19 11:57:31 <Diablo-D3> its broken and old
578 2010-12-19 11:57:50 <ArtForz> except we'll have to use craptastic sdk3.3
579 2010-12-19 11:57:50 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: you have 2.3? try testing that 68xx you ahve
580 2010-12-19 11:57:51 <Cdh> 2|but r600g is not working right yet
581 2010-12-19 11:58:14 <da2ce7> hmm, prob not going to be as good hash/timepower
582 2010-12-19 11:58:37 <ArtForz> Diablo: did, a bit faster than 2.2, about what you'd expect with a 6800-alike 5xxx and 2.1
583 2010-12-19 11:58:39 <Diablo-D3> Cdh|2: so, essentially, you're bitching about a brand new beta piece of software?
584 2010-12-19 11:58:50 <ArtForz> except again 100% cpu and compeltely suck perf with > 1 GPU
585 2010-12-19 11:58:53 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: so it beat 2.2?
586 2010-12-19 11:58:57 <ArtForz> yes
587 2010-12-19 11:59:00 <Diablo-D3> hrrrm.
588 2010-12-19 11:59:09 <Diablo-D3> thats an improvement, at least
589 2010-12-19 11:59:16 <Diablo-D3> does 2.3 do anything for 5xxx?
590 2010-12-19 11:59:27 <ArtForz> faster than 2.2, still slower than 2.1 for 5770 and 5970
591 2010-12-19 11:59:29 <Cdh> 2|no, i say, that i can not play the only to games i use to play with catalyst whereas with nvidia they work fine
592 2010-12-19 11:59:43 <Diablo-D3> Cdh|2: yes, but basically, no one cares what you think.
593 2010-12-19 11:59:50 <ArtForz> and same multiGPU suckages as 2.2
594 2010-12-19 11:59:55 <Diablo-D3> nvidia is going bankrupt, they've already admitted they dont care about supporting linux
595 2010-12-19 11:59:57 <Keefe> guess i'm lucky. both used 5970's i got thru ebay have worked fine so far for mining (haven't tried anything else), and 3 of 4 cores OC better than the new 5970 i bought months ago
596 2010-12-19 12:00:00 <Diablo-D3> so your only choice is AMD
597 2010-12-19 12:00:10 <Diablo-D3> like it or not.
598 2010-12-19 12:00:38 <Cdh> 2|it's not a choice if with a defect nvidia card i get a better experience than with a perfectly fine amd card
599 2010-12-19 12:01:27 <da2ce7> diablo-d3, do you have a link to a article that Nvidia is going bankrupt, from memory their last finincal results wern't too bad.
600 2010-12-19 12:01:33 <ArtForz> *shrug* I dont play 3d games under linux
601 2010-12-19 12:01:50 <Diablo-D3> da2ce7: their primary business is 3D cards... and their new gtx 5xx are about as fast as radeon 5xxx and 68xx
602 2010-12-19 12:01:56 <ArtForz> I'm fucking happy if simple video overlay works with dualhead
603 2010-12-19 12:01:58 <Diablo-D3> why would anyone buy a defective card.
604 2010-12-19 12:02:16 <Cdh> 2|~/DiabloMiner (git)-[master] % java -cp target/libs/*:target/DiabloMiner-0.0.1-SNAPSHOT.jar -Djava.library.path=target/libs/natives/linux com.diablominer.DiabloMiner.DiabloMiner $@
605 2010-12-19 12:02:21 <Cdh> 2|something wrong with classpath?
606 2010-12-19 12:02:29 <Diablo-D3> Cdh|2: did you grab it from git?
607 2010-12-19 12:02:33 <ArtForz> because their core business is Quadro and Tesla
608 2010-12-19 12:02:56 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: not really; their core business is whatever makes them the most money
609 2010-12-19 12:02:57 <Cdh> 2|the (git)-[master] prompt is zsh telling me i am in the master branch :)
610 2010-12-19 12:03:01 <ArtForz> Fermi was never designed as a gaming GPU
611 2010-12-19 12:03:10 <ArtForz> that would've been 3xx
612 2010-12-19 12:03:16 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: they sell a thousand or ten thousand game gpus for every scientific gpu
613 2010-12-19 12:03:22 <ArtForz> and it failed so hard they completely scrapped the design
614 2010-12-19 12:03:23 <da2ce7> cause ATI's cards use stream level paralisim, tasks that are liner at the stream level the 5xx still wins.
615 2010-12-19 12:03:29 <Diablo-D3> Cdh|2: this is why the binary is provided; if you wish to build it, run mvn package
616 2010-12-19 12:03:56 <Diablo-D3> da2ce7: except thats technically bad coding.
617 2010-12-19 12:04:06 <Cdh> 2|oh ok
618 2010-12-19 12:04:12 <ArtForz> so nvidia has the best GPU for tasks that dont work well on GPUs... yay!
619 2010-12-19 12:04:13 <genjix> ;;bc,blocks
620 2010-12-19 12:04:13 <gribble> 98379
621 2010-12-19 12:04:19 <Cdh> 2|i thought the shell script would build it
622 2010-12-19 12:04:21 <Diablo-D3> yeah, what ArtForz said
623 2010-12-19 12:04:32 <Diablo-D3> Cdh|2: there is no shell script...?
624 2010-12-19 12:04:40 <Cdh> 2|DiabloMiner-Linux.sh
625 2010-12-19 12:04:44 <Diablo-D3> oh, no.
626 2010-12-19 12:04:47 <Diablo-D3> that just runs it
627 2010-12-19 12:04:54 <Cdh> 2|ok thanks :)
628 2010-12-19 12:04:59 <Diablo-D3> either download the binary zip, or build it.
629 2010-12-19 12:05:51 <da2ce7> lol, :P I guess so, unless you are doing some eng stuff like chain annalyis, where each task is inderpdant, however the steams need to be completed in a linear manner... for most tasks, I guess their design sucks.
630 2010-12-19 12:05:56 <Diablo-D3> Cdh|2: btw, for most optimum performance, add -w 64 to the command line
631 2010-12-19 12:06:08 <Diablo-D3> and probably -f 120 as well so X performance doesnt shit itself
632 2010-12-19 12:06:49 <da2ce7> but the ecc memory is good if you are doing mission critical stuff.
633 2010-12-19 12:06:59 <ArtForz> if you have a data-parallel task without much incoherent branching, wide SIMD beats bunch-of-independent-units every time
634 2010-12-19 12:07:07 <Diablo-D3> ecc memory is good if you suspect something is fucked
635 2010-12-19 12:07:29 <Diablo-D3> s/incoherent/fucking long/
636 2010-12-19 12:07:55 <Diablo-D3> no ops are not your friend >_>
637 2010-12-19 12:08:03 <Cdh> 2|yep, it too has 100% cpu with stream sdk 2.3, will install 2.1 then
638 2010-12-19 12:08:05 <ArtForz> yup
639 2010-12-19 12:08:13 <Diablo-D3> Cdh|2: yes, its a stream sdk "bug"
640 2010-12-19 12:08:25 <Diablo-D3> Cdh|2: 2.2 and 2.3 will use 100% cpu per executing thread
641 2010-12-19 12:08:31 <ArtForz> nvidias design is simpler, but it doesnt realy scale that well
642 2010-12-19 12:08:36 <Diablo-D3> Cdh|2: 2.1 doesnt.
643 2010-12-19 12:08:41 <Diablo-D3> Cdh|2: it'll do it on any opencl app
644 2010-12-19 12:08:53 <da2ce7> :P I dont' worry about the 100% cpu useage, don't slow down the computer noticabley.
645 2010-12-19 12:09:07 <Diablo-D3> da2ce7: it slows down mining, however
646 2010-12-19 12:09:15 <da2ce7> hmm how much?
647 2010-12-19 12:09:16 <ArtForz> ATIs arch is harder to make full use of, but can reach way higher perf/mm???, perf/$ and perf/W
648 2010-12-19 12:09:16 <Diablo-D3> 2.3 would probably pwn 2.1 if the cpu bug was gone
649 2010-12-19 12:09:48 <ArtForz> and for some tasks GPUs simply arent useful
650 2010-12-19 12:10:19 <da2ce7> I'm getting 255xxx on each, with 100% cpu... at stock clocks.
651 2010-12-19 12:10:39 <ArtForz> thats still kinda bad
652 2010-12-19 12:10:43 <Diablo-D3> da2ce7: until the stream sdk removes needing to reflect opencl traffic through X, the cpu shit will be an issue
653 2010-12-19 12:11:08 <slush_cz1> ArtForz: My card with stock settings had < 500mhash
654 2010-12-19 12:11:13 <ArtForz> I get ~ 270Mh each stock
655 2010-12-19 12:11:25 <Diablo-D3> I should see what 2.3 does on my box
656 2010-12-19 12:11:31 <slush_cz1> around 460 by default
657 2010-12-19 12:11:44 <slush_cz1> da2ce7: Try to play with miner parameters
658 2010-12-19 12:11:54 <da2ce7> artforz, :O that quite fast each
659 2010-12-19 12:11:58 <ArtForz> yep
660 2010-12-19 12:12:26 <ArtForz> 330Mh/s @ 880
661 2010-12-19 12:12:35 <Diablo-D3> I get roughly 75.3 on 2.1 -f 1
662 2010-12-19 12:13:30 <da2ce7> slush_cz1, you are able to just look up my profile, or dose your design make it clumsy to look up any individual user?
663 2010-12-19 12:13:50 <slush_cz1> da2ce7: What do you need?
664 2010-12-19 12:14:05 <Diablo-D3> Enabled DRMDMA for Evergreen GPUs, as well as AMD Radeon" HD 6870 and AMD Radeon" HD 6850 devices.
665 2010-12-19 12:14:08 <Diablo-D3> poh nice
666 2010-12-19 12:14:42 <ArtForz> 323.3@860, 319.5@850, 315.8@840, 312.0@830, 308.3@820, 300.8@800
667 2010-12-19 12:14:53 <da2ce7> slush_c1, no just wondering, cause then you could see who the big generator are. :P
668 2010-12-19 12:15:21 <slush_cz1> Oh, another hacker (tired)
669 2010-12-19 12:15:45 <slush_cz1> da2ce7: I see tail -f log and can grep individual user/worker
670 2010-12-19 12:16:07 <Diablo-D3> I get about 68 on 2.2 -f 1
671 2010-12-19 12:16:07 <slush_cz1> log report me some unusual behavior
672 2010-12-19 12:16:19 <slush_cz1> like submitting work which was not asked before :-D
673 2010-12-19 12:16:20 <Diablo-D3> with 25% cpu use in the miner, 85% in X
674 2010-12-19 12:17:21 <slush_cz1> da2ce7: And also see your four workers rocks
675 2010-12-19 12:18:00 <slush_cz1> > Oh, another hacker (tired)
676 2010-12-19 12:18:22 <da2ce7> nope
677 2010-12-19 12:18:40 <da2ce7> I would have done it under my own name, I need to make a 'naughty' cpu miner.
678 2010-12-19 12:19:40 <da2ce7> :D
679 2010-12-19 12:20:18 <Diablo-D3> now trying 2.3
680 2010-12-19 12:20:40 <slush_cz1> trying my miner with -f 1 was not good idea. It freeze my VNC :)
681 2010-12-19 12:20:46 <Diablo-D3> slush_cz1: lol
682 2010-12-19 12:21:11 <Diablo-D3> 70 on 2.3 -f1, with miner using 25% cpu, X using 100%
683 2010-12-19 12:21:15 <Diablo-D3> 2.1 still wins
684 2010-12-19 12:23:21 <Diablo-D3> so 2.3 does improve shit
685 2010-12-19 12:23:29 <Diablo-D3> but until they fix the fucking bug, bleh
686 2010-12-19 12:25:19 <matsh> Is this thing on?
687 2010-12-19 12:26:04 <DerrikeG> In the least, I am.
688 2010-12-19 12:26:04 <genjix> it's on.
689 2010-12-19 12:26:33 <matsh> OKI, I have a question
690 2010-12-19 12:26:35 <DerrikeG> slush_cz1: I can't fathom how  a typo is hard to correct. Do you use a template engine of some sort? Not have access to the code?
691 2010-12-19 12:27:16 <genjix> MT`AwAy: can i have permission to edit the sidebar? can we upload an irc web chat interface like http://pastecoin.com/cgi-bin/irc.cgi ?
692 2010-12-19 12:27:25 <matsh> I'm maintaining the Java API project, soon to release it new 0.3.18 release, which can call all functions on the 0.3.18 bitcoin client
693 2010-12-19 12:27:28 <slush_cz1> DerrikeG: using ORM which translate it. Of course I can hardcode fix everywhere, but I'd like to  make it cleaner.
694 2010-12-19 12:27:38 <slush_cz1> Today there will be larger outages, so I will rename it
695 2010-12-19 12:28:01 <matsh> During that time I have done numerous small real transactions, each time sending 0.01 Bitcoin to EFF:s address
696 2010-12-19 12:28:04 <MT`AwAy> genjix: I'm not enbling perl, but isn't freenode's interface enough ?
697 2010-12-19 12:28:06 <DerrikeG> Oh, I see.
698 2010-12-19 12:28:34 <genjix> MT`AwAy: we want something so some beginner can just click and start chatting.
699 2010-12-19 12:28:39 <slush_cz1> DerrikeG: I have to rename database column, so have to stop application
700 2010-12-19 12:28:42 <MT`AwAy> genjix: for the sidebar you can submit your changes in the discussions
701 2010-12-19 12:28:59 <MT`AwAy> genjix: then what about mibbit?
702 2010-12-19 12:29:04 <genjix> MT`AwAy: how about i edit it and if you don't like it then just revert
703 2010-12-19 12:29:11 <genjix> mibbit is closed source :p
704 2010-12-19 12:29:14 <matsh> I've done about 30 or so 0.01 Bitcoin calls, and it struck me, what happens if someone does millions of tiny meaningless transactions between two of their own accounts, to just bog down the network with junk?
705 2010-12-19 12:29:41 <MT`AwAy> genjix: you can edit it ?
706 2010-12-19 12:29:51 <MT`AwAy> (and who cares if it's not opensource, as long as users can use it?)
707 2010-12-19 12:29:52 <genjix> no, but i want permission to :p
708 2010-12-19 12:30:10 <TD_> matsh: the client has anti-DoS measures in it
709 2010-12-19 12:30:26 <TD> and satoshi is adding more
710 2010-12-19 12:30:51 <slush_cz1> DerrikeG: I know it looks weird, but I'm agains code hacking. This is not funcional problem, just cosmetic. I'm working on large system in my job where original developers solved everything by monkey patching and hacking. For example same variable have quadrillion different names. This is the same problem. I don't work this way.
711 2010-12-19 12:31:07 <matsh> TD_ How can it tell what is DDoS and what is legitimate?
712 2010-12-19 12:31:10 <MT`AwAy> genjix: how do I give you permission to edit the sidebar and only the sidebar? :D
713 2010-12-19 12:31:37 <TD> heuristics i presume. same reason there's an artificial limitation of 0.01 coins for a transaction
714 2010-12-19 12:31:43 <genjix> MT`AwAy: i dont know... why not just give me permissions? im obviously not a vandal and i promise not to delete anything.
715 2010-12-19 12:31:50 <TD> ultimately a DoS attack on BitCoin is an attack on the entire economy though
716 2010-12-19 12:31:57 <TD> other than random griefing there isn't a whole lot of motive for it
717 2010-12-19 12:32:00 <TD> it's not like internet DoS
718 2010-12-19 12:32:05 <DerrikeG> slush_cz1: Yeah, I can see why you wouldn't want to do that, but I would have left that bit of display code to a template engine
719 2010-12-19 12:32:42 <matsh> BTW, I've tried to get myself a wiki-account, but no success
720 2010-12-19 12:32:42 <MT`AwAy> genjix: you need to be at least administrator to edit the sidebar :p
721 2010-12-19 12:32:55 <MT`AwAy> genjix: if I put you administrator, you'll have to patrol the users edits too
722 2010-12-19 12:33:09 <genjix> why will i have to patrol users edits?
723 2010-12-19 12:33:13 <MT`AwAy> :D
724 2010-12-19 12:33:13 <slush_cz1> DerrikeG: Form is generated automatically
725 2010-12-19 12:33:22 <genjix> i just want to write articles and make things nicer.
726 2010-12-19 12:33:23 <slush_cz1> DerrikeG: Don't worry, i will fix it soon
727 2010-12-19 12:33:24 <MT`AwAy> genjix: because it's one of the roles of administrators
728 2010-12-19 12:33:26 <MT`AwAy> :D
729 2010-12-19 12:33:27 <MT`AwAy> well
730 2010-12-19 12:33:38 <genjix> how about i edit the sidebar then give it up after.
731 2010-12-19 12:33:45 <genjix> cmon you're boring me here.
732 2010-12-19 12:33:55 <MT`AwAy> genjix: here you are
733 2010-12-19 12:34:00 <genjix> kk
734 2010-12-19 12:34:03 <DerrikeG> Haha, it doesn't bother me too much. (Although I would push for aligning the textboxes.)
735 2010-12-19 12:34:05 <genjix> ill tell you once im finished.
736 2010-12-19 12:36:49 <matsh> Is it possible to get a wiki-account? Is my email blocked someway?
737 2010-12-19 12:37:05 <MT`AwAy> matsh: you didn't get the email confirmation ?
738 2010-12-19 12:37:58 <slush_cz1> DerrikeG: :-) I have web design. In next version I probably remove site entirely and open only telnet interface for checking rewards. No web design, no textbox aligning, not problem
739 2010-12-19 12:38:12 <slush_cz1> hate
740 2010-12-19 12:38:20 <MT`AwAy> matsh: I see no recent account creation
741 2010-12-19 12:38:21 <slush_cz1> have => hate
742 2010-12-19 12:39:06 <slush_cz1> DerrikeG: Just kidding. But I don't see those are real problems. I stll work on backend improvements. Aligning boxes have absolutely low priority
743 2010-12-19 12:39:28 <genjix> MT`AwAy: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Main_Page
744 2010-12-19 12:39:32 <genjix> here's how it should look.
745 2010-12-19 12:39:46 <genjix> simple, clean, easy-to-navigate for new users.
746 2010-12-19 12:40:00 <matsh> No, no email versification, but maybe my email is blocked someway. Perhaps I should use gmail address...
747 2010-12-19 12:40:02 <MT`AwAy> hey, the toolbox
748 2010-12-19 12:40:25 <MT`AwAy> matsh: you're getting an error message?
749 2010-12-19 12:40:33 <MT`AwAy> genjix: gah you removed the toolbox~
750 2010-12-19 12:40:36 <genjix> MT`AwAy: if you install the vector extension for show/hide toolbox
751 2010-12-19 12:40:42 <genjix> then we can put it back
752 2010-12-19 12:40:43 <matsh> I think I have an account named matshenricson but not sure I ever got an email confirmation for that
753 2010-12-19 12:40:56 <MT`AwAy> genjix: url on meta?
754 2010-12-19 12:40:58 <genjix> MT`AwAy: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki
755 2010-12-19 12:41:02 <genjix> like on the left
756 2010-12-19 12:41:05 <DerrikeG> slush_cz1: Yeah. Web design is one of my things so I naturally want to help with it.
757 2010-12-19 12:41:33 <MT`AwAy> mathnot in the log
758 2010-12-19 12:41:34 <genjix> then we can have a Download section and put them there :)
759 2010-12-19 12:41:38 <MT`AwAy> matsh: not in the log
760 2010-12-19 12:41:48 <matsh> I got invalid password, so I tried to get the wiki to send me a new one
761 2010-12-19 12:41:52 <MT`AwAy> genjix: I need the url for the extension you're talking about
762 2010-12-19 12:42:05 <MT`AwAy> matsh: for info if you registered on the dokuwiki, it's not the same accounts
763 2010-12-19 12:42:23 <matsh> OK; thanks
764 2010-12-19 12:42:31 <matsh> I'll try something else.
765 2010-12-19 12:42:37 <MT`AwAy> so you'll have to register again, sorry for that
766 2010-12-19 12:42:58 <genjix> MT`AwAy: http://mwusers.com/forums/showthread.php?8425-Hide-Toolbox
767 2010-12-19 12:43:32 <genjix> hide it for non-logged in users.
768 2010-12-19 12:43:49 <MT`AwAy> :o
769 2010-12-19 12:43:58 <MT`AwAy> no extension then?
770 2010-12-19 12:44:37 <genjix> fine, I put it back
771 2010-12-19 12:44:42 <genjix> but trust me- it is ugly
772 2010-12-19 12:46:24 <genjix> MT`AwAy: how do you make it so that it doesn't show index.php?title= ?
773 2010-12-19 12:46:25 <da2ce7> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2361.0
774 2010-12-19 12:46:27 <da2ce7> :D :D
775 2010-12-19 12:46:34 <genjix> http://poker.bitcoinvegas.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
776 2010-12-19 12:46:41 <genjix> http://poker.bitcoinvegas.com/wiki/
777 2010-12-19 12:46:43 <genjix> how?
778 2010-12-19 12:46:44 <MT`AwAy> genjix: that's explained on mediawiki
779 2010-12-19 12:46:49 <genjix> link?
780 2010-12-19 12:46:51 <MT`AwAy> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL
781 2010-12-19 12:47:13 <genjix> thanks
782 2010-12-19 12:51:26 <matsh> Got myself an account on the wiki now, works fine. Thanks.
783 2010-12-19 12:55:04 <MT`AwAy> :)
784 2010-12-19 12:59:12 <Cdh> 2|[19.12.10 14:57:57] Added ATI RV730 (#1) (8 CU, local work size of 64)
785 2010-12-19 12:59:20 <Diablo-D3> thats closer to relaity
786 2010-12-19 12:59:26 <Diablo-D3> *reality
787 2010-12-19 13:00:57 <Cdh> 2|graphics look a bit laggy now, but even flash video still works fine
788 2010-12-19 13:01:07 <Diablo-D3> try -f 120
789 2010-12-19 13:01:14 <Diablo-D3> keep adding 60 until shit is smooth
790 2010-12-19 13:01:17 <Diablo-D3> and flash may be unfixable
791 2010-12-19 13:01:32 <Cdh> 2|no, flash works fine :)
792 2010-12-19 13:01:58 <Cdh> 2|but minimizing windows and stuff
793 2010-12-19 13:02:06 <Cdh> 2|or scrolling
794 2010-12-19 13:04:10 <Cdh> 2|will the generated bitcoins automatically show up in the gui "Balance"?
795 2010-12-19 13:05:10 <da2ce7> I found that a -f that isn't a mutiple of 60 works best for my system, but most think that it is silly.
796 2010-12-19 13:06:28 <da2ce7> Cdh|2, yep after they hava one block confirming them
797 2010-12-19 13:07:19 <Cdh> 2|ok thank you all
798 2010-12-19 13:08:36 <da2ce7> well anyway, goodnight guys, Hope my latest bounty is a lots of fun! :P  We cannot be all serious in the silly season!!!
799 2010-12-19 13:11:43 <Cdh> 2|GPU load :    99% < unfortunately i have no thermal sensor...
800 2010-12-19 13:12:28 <ArtForz> huh?
801 2010-12-19 13:12:41 <ArtForz> old 4-series card ?
802 2010-12-19 13:13:13 <ArtForz> s/old/small/
803 2010-12-19 13:13:18 <Cdh> 2|bought the card from ebay and the seller put a zalman fan on it which gets connected to the mainboard and has an external potentiometer instead of the card
804 2010-12-19 13:13:35 <ArtForz> yeah
805 2010-12-19 13:13:58 <ArtForz> so... you dont get a core temp reading because of a 3rd party fan ?!?
806 2010-12-19 13:14:43 <Cdh> 2|i think
807 2010-12-19 13:14:56 <Cdh> 2|ERROR - Get temperature failed for the Default Adapter - ATI Radeon HD 4600 Series
808 2010-12-19 13:15:19 <ArtForz> yeah, 46xxs dont have a core temp sensor I think :/
809 2010-12-19 13:15:57 <Cdh> 2|i had a 4650 before and it had one... but it was very loud so i got the 4670 with pretty silent fan
810 2010-12-19 13:16:28 <ArtForz> weird
811 2010-12-19 13:16:59 <Diablo-D3> [09:13:58] <ArtForz> so... you dont get a core temp reading because of a 3rd party fan ?!?
812 2010-12-19 13:17:02 <Diablo-D3> erm, what?
813 2010-12-19 13:17:07 <Diablo-D3> I mean, I can see the rpm reading is borked
814 2010-12-19 13:17:31 <Diablo-D3> my 4850 has no fan plugged into the fan header, I get temp readings
815 2010-12-19 13:17:39 <Diablo-D3> (rpm reads 0)
816 2010-12-19 13:18:04 <Cdh> 2|then for the 46xx the only sensor is maybe in the fan and gets read through the fan connector on the card
817 2010-12-19 13:18:10 <ArtForz> I'd have to check, but I am pretty sure reading 46xx and 47xx (except 4770) had no temp sensor
818 2010-12-19 13:18:22 <ArtForz> that ... doesnt make any sense
819 2010-12-19 13:18:29 <Diablo-D3> Cdh|2: fans dont HAVE temp sensors
820 2010-12-19 13:18:38 <Diablo-D3> its probably that your card just doesnt have a temp sensor
821 2010-12-19 13:18:42 <Cdh> 2|not? oh ok.
822 2010-12-19 13:19:05 <ArtForz> iirc temp sensor on radeons is on-die
823 2010-12-19 13:20:29 <Cdh> 2|but 4670 is the middle-class performance card, how can it not have a temp sensor?
824 2010-12-19 13:21:04 <ArtForz> errr... 4670 is more in the upper value segment
825 2010-12-19 13:21:37 <Cdh> 2|that would be 4770 i believe
826 2010-12-19 13:21:57 <ArtForz> 48xx was performance, 48xx x2 enthusiast
827 2010-12-19 13:22:07 <Diablo-D3> 48xx is top, 47xx is middle, 46xx is shit
828 2010-12-19 13:23:30 <ArtForz> well, not shit
829 2010-12-19 13:24:16 <ArtForz> shit would be 43xx/45xx
830 2010-12-19 13:24:50 <Cdh> 2|http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1721.msg21339#msg21339  hm... -v is not in the help message
831 2010-12-19 13:25:25 <sjaak> !newpool
832 2010-12-19 13:25:33 <RichardG> New pooled miner (mining.bitcoin.cz:8332) status: Round started 19/Dec/2010 15:22:41, 60 active workers, 227 shares contributed, 5768979 khash/s
833 2010-12-19 13:25:38 <ArtForz> they were pretty much only useful for putting "discrete gaming GPU" sticker on a $299 whitebox
834 2010-12-19 13:29:13 <ArtForz> 4670 = half a 4770
835 2010-12-19 13:29:32 <ArtForz> and 4770 < half a 4870
836 2010-12-19 13:30:34 <Cdh> 2|in price too
837 2010-12-19 13:30:56 <ArtForz> yup
838 2010-12-19 13:32:04 <ArtForz> of course it's all pretty much obsolete hardware anyways
839 2010-12-19 13:32:46 <helmut> ArtForz: do you happen to know how to get a raw version of the genesis transaction? (raw == byte string)
840 2010-12-19 13:33:04 <ArtForz> sec
841 2010-12-19 13:33:11 <helmut> ArtForz: yes, it is in main.cpp, but when I reimplement it, I get a different hash
842 2010-12-19 13:33:23 <TD> helmut: what are you reimplementing, exactly?
843 2010-12-19 13:33:24 <Cdh> 2|well, it's always hard
844 2010-12-19 13:33:35 <helmut> TD: construction of genesis transaction
845 2010-12-19 13:33:36 <Cdh> 2|i read that for 68xx there isn't even support on linux
846 2010-12-19 13:33:41 <ArtForz> wtf
847 2010-12-19 13:33:57 <TD> i'm having trouble with hashes not matching in my client reimplementation too
848 2010-12-19 13:33:58 <ArtForz> 68xx works fine with cat 10.11 and 10.12 and sdk 2.2 or 2.3
849 2010-12-19 13:34:07 <helmut> TD: query?
850 2010-12-19 13:34:10 <TD> i'm starting to suspect there might be some kind of bug in the hHash() function
851 2010-12-19 13:34:14 <Cdh> 2|then it maybe was 69xx... something like that
852 2010-12-19 13:34:20 <TD> probably not, it's hard to imagine
853 2010-12-19 13:34:27 <ArtForz> 69xx works with cat 10.12 and sdk 2.3
854 2010-12-19 13:34:37 <TD> i need to build the official client and debug it :(
855 2010-12-19 13:36:46 <ArtForz> should be 01000000010000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000ffffffff4d04ffff001d0104455468652054696d65732030332f4a616e2f32303039204368616e63656c6c6f72206f6e206272696e6b206f66207365636f6e64206261696c6f757420666f722062616e6b73ffffffff0100f2052a01000000434104678afdb0fe5548271967f1a67130b7105cd6a828e03909a67962e0ea1f61deb649f6bc3f4cef38c4f35504e51ec112de5c384df7ba0b8d578a4c702b6bf11d5fac00000000 ... I think
856 2010-12-19 13:37:42 <ArtForz> sec
857 2010-12-19 13:38:19 <ArtForz> yeah, that should be it
858 2010-12-19 13:42:21 <helmut> ArtForz: thank you very much again
859 2010-12-19 13:48:01 <helmut> ArtForz: indeed it is different than mine, very subtle, didn't find the difference yet
860 2010-12-19 13:55:55 <Cdh> 2|maybe amd just doesn't put much work in 4xxx drivers anymore and rather makes newer cards work...
861 2010-12-19 13:58:41 <helmut> ArtForz: I somehow used sequence=0 instead of -1. now it matches. thank you very much.
862 2010-12-19 13:59:37 <Cdh> 2|yay: amdcccle: malloc.c:4636: _int_malloc: Assertion `victim->fd_nextsize->bk_nextsize == victim' failed.
863 2010-12-19 14:00:36 <Cdh> 2|seems to be a bit hypocritical to me to flame about nvidia drivers being buggy when amd is no better
864 2010-12-19 14:04:21 <Kiba> I dreamt of ESR and bitcoin
865 2010-12-19 14:06:49 <ArtForz> equivalent series resistance?
866 2010-12-19 14:06:49 <helmut> is there any non-mainline implementation that can verify transactions right now?
867 2010-12-19 14:07:39 <MT`AwAy> gah
868 2010-12-19 14:07:44 <MT`AwAy> kiba fixed the page while I was fixing it
869 2010-12-19 14:07:45 <MT`AwAy> xD
870 2010-12-19 14:07:48 <helmut> hi MT
871 2010-12-19 14:08:00 <MT`AwAy> ah no
872 2010-12-19 14:08:03 <MT`AwAy> just changed one thing
873 2010-12-19 14:08:05 <MT`AwAy> hi helmut
874 2010-12-19 14:08:24 <xelister> Cdh|2: Ati is worse
875 2010-12-19 14:08:39 <xelister> Cdh|2: Ati drivers crap out x10 more (hangs, glitches) then nvidia
876 2010-12-19 14:08:46 <xelister> (comparing the binary drivers)
877 2010-12-19 14:10:11 <Cdh> 2|yes
878 2010-12-19 14:10:22 <Cdh> 2|vaapi even <defunct>'ed my X once
879 2010-12-19 14:13:04 <helmut> is the first transaction in a block always the one assigning the generated coins?
880 2010-12-19 14:14:25 <Kiba> MT`AwAy: the recent change page had disappeared
881 2010-12-19 14:15:44 <MT`AwAy> Kiba: genjix removed the link
882 2010-12-19 14:15:59 <MT`AwAy> he said that it may mislead new users
883 2010-12-19 14:16:27 <Kiba> that's BS
884 2010-12-19 14:16:32 <MT`AwAy> I think too
885 2010-12-19 14:16:50 <Kiba> I can't edit pages!
886 2010-12-19 14:17:10 <Kiba> RecentChange should be renamed Latest Wiki Changes
887 2010-12-19 14:17:16 <Kiba> err
888 2010-12-19 14:17:19 <Kiba> I can't patrol pages!
889 2010-12-19 14:17:34 <MT`AwAy> ok
890 2010-12-19 14:17:36 <MT`AwAy> I'll re-add it
891 2010-12-19 14:18:07 <Kiba> I had alway expects RecentChange to be on every wiki
892 2010-12-19 14:18:14 <Kiba> it confuses wiki users like me
893 2010-12-19 14:18:29 <MT`AwAy> done
894 2010-12-19 14:18:36 <MT`AwAy> Kiba: it's back
895 2010-12-19 14:42:08 <MT`AwAy> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Main_Page <- here, we got a nice "simple search" input box on topright
896 2010-12-19 14:43:16 <altamic> hey davout
897 2010-12-19 14:44:37 <davout> hey man
898 2010-12-19 14:44:51 <davout> whats up?
899 2010-12-19 14:48:25 <helmut> I fear without help, I have to give up on tx verify. is there just any documentation apart from the source?
900 2010-12-19 14:48:43 <ArtForz> not that I know of
901 2010-12-19 14:49:18 <helmut> can you tell me what IsCoinBase means?
902 2010-12-19 14:49:29 <ArtForz> exactly what it says
903 2010-12-19 14:49:47 <helmut> if that was clear I would not have asked.
904 2010-12-19 14:49:56 <ArtForz> coinbase = first tx in block, generation + fees to block generator
905 2010-12-19 14:50:38 <helmut> so coinbase = first tx in block is a requirement?
906 2010-12-19 14:50:54 <ArtForz> iirc yes
907 2010-12-19 14:51:21 <helmut> now IsCoinBase cannot possibly know where inside a block it is. it just checks for prevtxhash == 0
908 2010-12-19 14:51:39 <MT`AwAy> when you generate coins, there is no "in"
909 2010-12-19 14:51:45 <MT`AwAy> it's the only case where there is no "in"
910 2010-12-19 14:51:50 <ArtForz> yep
911 2010-12-19 14:51:54 <gavinandresen> yep
912 2010-12-19 14:51:56 <MT`AwAy> so there's no previous transaction
913 2010-12-19 14:52:00 <helmut> so let me conclude: