1 2010-12-24 00:00:08 <chuck251> you have the 5850 noodles?  did you do anything special to OC, replace the fan or anything like that?
  2 2010-12-24 00:01:49 <[Noodles]> yes i have and no i didn't, still the stock air-cooler
  3 2010-12-24 00:02:04 <[Noodles]> that one -> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121370
  4 2010-12-24 00:02:58 <chuck251> the only way I can see spending $450 on a mining computer is 1) it's winter, it will cut my heating costs! (lol)  2) even if it takes 4 months, maybe bitcoins will be worth $1 by then... :)
  5 2010-12-24 00:04:25 <chuck251> thanks noodles. I wonder what is wrong with the powercolor I listed above that makes it $40 less then the Asus :) No reviews...
  6 2010-12-24 00:04:59 <[Noodles]> no idea, actually it was the cheapest i could get at the time i bought
  7 2010-12-24 00:06:59 <EvanR> this wiki pages says if i dont 'backup' my wallet after 100 operations, i will lose my entire balance :S
  8 2010-12-24 00:08:18 <EvanR> whats up with that
  9 2010-12-24 00:12:37 <kiba> dunno
 10 2010-12-24 00:12:52 <EvanR> http://www.bitcoin.org/wiki/doku.php?id=backup
 11 2010-12-24 00:12:52 <kiba> could be a mistake in documentation
 12 2010-12-24 00:13:10 <Sherpa> I got a 5750 here, it runs nice at 500MHz [lowest]
 13 2010-12-24 00:13:20 <Sherpa> 55000khash/s
 14 2010-12-24 00:14:11 <sipa> EvanR: if you don't have a backup of at most 100 transactions old, and you lose your wallet.dat, you will lose access to at least part of your balance
 15 2010-12-24 00:14:52 <EvanR> oh
 16 2010-12-24 00:14:53 <[Noodles]> it's not that you WILL lose your balance, but you MIGHT lose it, if you restore an outdated wallet
 17 2010-12-24 00:15:12 <EvanR> so if i backup regularly, and lose my wallet, i wont lose everything since the old wallet?
 18 2010-12-24 00:15:28 <sipa> no, a wallet contains 100 future keys
 19 2010-12-24 00:15:36 <EvanR> ah
 20 2010-12-24 00:15:43 <sipa> and the transactions are stored in the network
 21 2010-12-24 00:15:55 <tcatm> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_Hardware_Comparison I made the GPU table sortable :)
 22 2010-12-24 00:15:56 <EvanR> right, its a keyring
 23 2010-12-24 00:37:41 <genjix> ;;bc,mtgox
 24 2010-12-24 00:37:41 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.25,"low":0.241,"vol":8610,"buy":0.2433,"sell":0.25,"last":0.25}}
 25 2010-12-24 00:38:11 <genjix> hmm, prices should climb soon. btc was on russia today news
 26 2010-12-24 00:39:03 <EvanR> oh nice
 27 2010-12-24 00:40:38 <genjix> anyone know any good terminal email programs?
 28 2010-12-24 00:40:48 <genjix> i've started using email again
 29 2010-12-24 00:41:26 <sipa> mutt
 30 2010-12-24 00:41:59 <tcatm> mailx :D
 31 2010-12-24 00:42:15 <EvanR> sylpheed claws lol
 32 2010-12-24 00:42:42 <genjix> mutt looks cool. will try that first then
 33 2010-12-24 00:47:14 <genjix> wtf -_- this shit is so confusing
 34 2010-12-24 00:47:42 <genjix> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix
 35 2010-12-24 00:47:44 <EvanR> use ed and sendmail
 36 2010-12-24 00:47:44 <genjix> lol
 37 2010-12-24 00:48:21 <sipa> tcatm: updated graph http://sipa.be/static/bc-speed.pdf
 38 2010-12-24 00:48:30 <sipa> should be much closer to reality now
 39 2010-12-24 00:49:35 <tcatm> looks good
 40 2010-12-24 01:08:23 <genjix> EvanR: eh? claws isnt a terminal mail program
 41 2010-12-24 01:09:46 <EvanR> just kidding
 42 2010-12-24 01:09:57 <EvanR> dont know whod use that program
 43 2010-12-24 01:10:44 <da2ce7> genjix, what did russia today say about bitcoin?
 44 2010-12-24 01:11:00 <genjix> da2ce7: it was short like 20-30 secs
 45 2010-12-24 01:11:13 <genjix> about how it worked .etc in their money section
 46 2010-12-24 01:12:13 <da2ce7> wow, some pritty mainstream ppl are getting intersested in bitcoin in russia...
 47 2010-12-24 01:12:34 <genjix> i thought it was cool too
 48 2010-12-24 01:12:56 <genjix> da2ce7: http://rt.com/programs/keiser-report/stock-market-riots-crisis/
 49 2010-12-24 01:12:57 <genjix> 12:00
 50 2010-12-24 01:13:26 <da2ce7> maybe we should consider making some langurage sub-forums for the russian section on smf.
 51 2010-12-24 01:14:37 <genjix> can we have an esperanto one too?
 52 2010-12-24 01:14:40 <genjix> there's 5 of us
 53 2010-12-24 01:17:01 <donpdonp> genjix: if esperanto is getting a forum, lojban better get one too )
 54 2010-12-24 01:17:03 <donpdonp> :)
 55 2010-12-24 01:17:25 <genjix> how many people speak lojban in bitcoin cmmunity?
 56 2010-12-24 01:17:27 <genjix> 0?
 57 2010-12-24 01:17:50 <donpdonp> thats as statistically significant as 5 :)
 58 2010-12-24 01:18:01 <genjix> not really.
 59 2010-12-24 01:18:25 <sipa> are there people that *speak* lojban?
 60 2010-12-24 01:18:31 <sipa> know it, ok...
 61 2010-12-24 01:19:00 <genjix> compare with some other languages, we're more than or the same.
 62 2010-12-24 01:20:01 <EvanR> kiu parolas esperanton chi tiu?
 63 2010-12-24 01:20:25 <genjix> ho!
 64 2010-12-24 01:20:35 <EvanR> lol
 65 2010-12-24 01:20:52 <EvanR> bone
 66 2010-12-24 01:21:08 <genjix> mi pensas ke via gramatiko ne
 67 2010-12-24 01:21:36 <genjix> vi volas diri: kiu parolas esperanton
 68 2010-12-24 01:21:49 <EvanR> yeah, thats it
 69 2010-12-24 01:22:25 <EvanR> lets speak chinese instead
 70 2010-12-24 01:22:39 <genjix> i swear some old-school unix people live in lala-land.
 71 2010-12-24 01:22:41 <genjix> http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/
 72 2010-12-24 01:22:54 <genjix> they expect me to read *all* of that just to configure my mail client?
 73 2010-12-24 01:23:24 <genjix> no, quickstart tutorial anywhere.
 74 2010-12-24 01:23:27 <tcatm> They expect you to already know how to use mutt :)
 75 2010-12-24 01:23:30 <INEEDMONEY> so guys
 76 2010-12-24 01:23:32 <EvanR> no, they expect you to pipe ed into sendmail
 77 2010-12-24 01:23:35 <INEEDMONEY> have you thought of a better way to decentralize bitcoin yet?
 78 2010-12-24 01:23:49 <genjix> "MuttGuide is meant to be used from beginning to end, as a whole; the parts are kept simple to explain the various features step by step, and as basic as possible. Therefore not everything will be explained in all aspects & detail in each part. You might have to read several parts to learn everything for a certain task before you can make it work as you like. Mutt's power lies in the combination of the various features, and it depends on your creat
 79 2010-12-24 01:23:58 <INEEDMONEY> so it doesn't rely on the central nature of the internet as it has become
 80 2010-12-24 01:24:02 <genjix> right. im going to read this massive document.
 81 2010-12-24 01:24:15 <EvanR> genjix: that being said, i really wish microsoft products had such manuals freely available
 82 2010-12-24 01:24:19 <INEEDMONEY> lol
 83 2010-12-24 01:24:21 <INEEDMONEY> fuck m$
 84 2010-12-24 01:24:24 <INEEDMONEY> I am going to buy them
 85 2010-12-24 01:24:28 <INEEDMONEY> and burn them
 86 2010-12-24 01:24:57 <genjix> except i just want to read email. why is it so hard? i can do it using telnet.
 87 2010-12-24 01:25:00 <Cusipzzz> well, we could mint some coins for actual exchange, so if the net goes down, we have coins as backup
 88 2010-12-24 01:25:13 <Cusipzzz> pine ftw
 89 2010-12-24 01:25:13 <genjix> there's this guide: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=565326
 90 2010-12-24 01:25:31 <genjix> did that. doesn't work after installing the 5 programs and copy-pasting those config files.
 91 2010-12-24 01:25:32 <EvanR> alpine blows
 92 2010-12-24 01:25:37 <genjix> Cusipzzz: thanks will try that.
 93 2010-12-24 01:26:15 <genjix> what else can i try if alpine sucks then?
 94 2010-12-24 01:26:45 <tcatm> X?
 95 2010-12-24 01:26:59 <EvanR> gmail
 96 2010-12-24 01:27:04 <Cusipzzz> lol
 97 2010-12-24 01:27:12 <genjix> gmail- be spied on. no thx.
 98 2010-12-24 01:27:22 <EvanR> google would never do that
 99 2010-12-24 01:27:33 <EvanR> lmao
100 2010-12-24 01:27:49 <Cusipzzz> yahoo mail..they are too inept to do anything with the spying
101 2010-12-24 01:27:57 <genjix> Oo maybe we know different googles
102 2010-12-24 01:28:16 <Cusipzzz> until google buys yahoo, then you're screwed
103 2010-12-24 01:28:17 <tcatm> use GPG
104 2010-12-24 01:28:49 <EvanR> write your own email client in bash
105 2010-12-24 01:29:01 <EvanR> it will probably take less effort and time than learning existing popular suites
106 2010-12-24 01:29:14 <tcatm> First write a good email replacement that somehow combines SMTP and IMAP into something easy to configure.
107 2010-12-24 01:29:25 <Cusipzzz> mutt? thunderbird?
108 2010-12-24 01:30:26 <Bossbear> economics anyone?
109 2010-12-24 01:30:28 <Cusipzzz> you want easy? safe? command line old school ?
110 2010-12-24 01:33:27 <genjix> twas the day before christmas, genjix was sitting in his house, mail client guis being configured and roused.
111 2010-12-24 01:36:02 <genjix> sweet! i got it configured
112 2010-12-24 01:36:11 <genjix> heh really simple/copy-paste
113 2010-12-24 01:44:44 <Cusipzzz> how many coins think are lost to 'shrinkage', HD crashes, negligence, people never running client after someone send them, etc?
114 2010-12-24 01:45:31 <Cusipzzz> have to think it's a decent number
115 2010-12-24 01:46:27 <tcatm> 100k .. 1M? No one knows..
116 2010-12-24 01:46:33 <Cusipzzz> i mean, cash is lost, burned, ripped, washed to oblivion, too
117 2010-12-24 01:46:45 <Cusipzzz> i was going to say mid- 5 figs
118 2010-12-24 01:46:52 <Cusipzzz> prob higher.
119 2010-12-24 01:47:01 <MT`AwAy> you cannot know
120 2010-12-24 01:47:13 <Cusipzzz> i know, just asking what the educatedguess is
121 2010-12-24 01:47:13 <MT`AwAy> you can only stat the idle coins
122 2010-12-24 01:47:17 <tcatm> I know of at least 9000 BTC that are lost
123 2010-12-24 01:47:28 <MT`AwAy> we all do
124 2010-12-24 01:47:31 <MT`AwAy> :p
125 2010-12-24 01:48:09 <Cusipzzz> i know of some as well :/
126 2010-12-24 01:48:35 <MT`AwAy> mine are safe
127 2010-12-24 01:48:55 <Cusipzzz> i mean, if it's like 50-100k, no biggie.. but if the market knew that 500k+ don't really exist, may impact price...or built-in?
128 2010-12-24 01:49:10 <MT`AwAy> not until we miss them
129 2010-12-24 01:49:45 <Asphodelia> Market-wise, there's not much difference between someone that lost their coins and someone that's not interested in selling them right now.
130 2010-12-24 01:50:18 <Cusipzzz> well, the latter may be interested ina  certain price, whereas the former cannot be sold... like a equity stock buyback, those shares are removed fro the pool.
131 2010-12-24 01:50:28 <tcatm> There about 2.5 million coins that haven't beed sent after generation.
132 2010-12-24 01:50:47 <MT`AwAy> that means nothing
133 2010-12-24 01:51:03 <Cusipzzz> ya, doubt many of those are lost, as people who generate, might be more informed, lol
134 2010-12-24 01:51:27 <MT`AwAy> except for the first generations
135 2010-12-24 01:51:39 <MT`AwAy> who didn't care much
136 2010-12-24 01:51:45 <genjix> wish i found bitcoin 1 year ago, generated a ton of coins and put my life savings in them.
137 2010-12-24 01:51:55 <MT`AwAy> lol
138 2010-12-24 01:52:19 <Cusipzzz> i'm thinkin more HD crashes, or someone deciding to send a friend a hefty amount, but friend doesn't see use for BTC and wipes it.
139 2010-12-24 01:53:23 <MT`AwAy> I know of 0.03 btc lost, sent to the NULL address
140 2010-12-24 01:53:46 <Cusipzzz> i lost 2.03 coins from atest client that got wiped :/, hence the question. lol
141 2010-12-24 01:54:30 <MT`AwAy> that's why my client will include a wallet backup system
142 2010-12-24 01:55:18 <genjix> MT`AwAy: im going to make a discussion page for QBitcon with suggestion ideas, ok? :)
143 2010-12-24 01:55:36 <MT`AwAy> genjix, there is a talk page on the wiki
144 2010-12-24 01:55:54 <genjix> that's what i meant
145 2010-12-24 01:55:58 <MT`AwAy> :p
146 2010-12-24 01:57:15 <MT`AwAy> there is also a separate page for the wallet
147 2010-12-24 02:00:35 <MT`AwAy> ByteCoin, we fixed the ecc, I made a mistake when I copied some of the montgommery reductions, it works fine now
148 2010-12-24 02:00:38 <MT`AwAy> thanks
149 2010-12-24 02:00:40 <MT`AwAy> :p
150 2010-12-24 02:00:55 <genjix> ByteCoin?
151 2010-12-24 02:01:02 <genjix> isn't your client called QBitcoin?
152 2010-12-24 02:01:13 <genjix> :o
153 2010-12-24 02:01:38 <MT`AwAy> genjix, [11:59:18] * ByteCoin (~ByteCoin@188-223-73-61.zone14.bethere.co.uk) a rejoint #bitcoin-dev
154 2010-12-24 02:01:45 <nameless> |aww
155 2010-12-24 02:01:49 <nameless> |my hat flew away
156 2010-12-24 02:01:55 <genjix> oh my bad :S
157 2010-12-24 02:03:45 <MT`AwAy> :p
158 2010-12-24 02:04:25 <genjix> MT`AwAy: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Talk:QBitcoin#Suggestions
159 2010-12-24 02:04:31 <MT`AwAy> gave it all to the test faucet
160 2010-12-24 02:04:51 <Sherpa> I'm thinking i might use TestNet to try out an IRC Slot machine :)
161 2010-12-24 02:05:38 <Sherpa> 3-Slot Values: 5 Unique: 125 Odds: 0.8% 3-Slot Values: 9 Unique: 1000 Odds: 0.1% 5-Slot Values: 5 Unique: 3125 Odds: 0.032% 5-Slot Values: 9 Unique: 100000 Odds: 0.001%
162 2010-12-24 02:06:22 <Sherpa> Membership is 1.0BTC and 'Pulls' are 0.1 BTC to 0.4 BTC :)
163 2010-12-24 02:07:49 <MT`AwAy> :p
164 2010-12-24 02:08:05 <Sherpa> Values arent 9, there 10 :P
165 2010-12-24 02:08:14 <Sherpa> the Values 5 is right thou
166 2010-12-24 02:08:16 <Cusipzzz> sounds rigged  =)
167 2010-12-24 02:08:25 <Sherpa> Will be open source
168 2010-12-24 02:08:30 <Sherpa> I'm good like that :)
169 2010-12-24 02:09:15 <Sherpa> Ideally, I get an IRC BlackJack and Poker going as well
170 2010-12-24 02:09:18 <Cusipzzz> haha
171 2010-12-24 02:09:29 <Cusipzzz> they've had irc poker for years..decades maybe :)
172 2010-12-24 02:09:49 <Sherpa> RFC is dated 81 or so
173 2010-12-24 02:09:52 <Cusipzzz> i think i payed in the late 80s... (dating myself)
174 2010-12-24 02:09:59 <Cusipzzz> played*
175 2010-12-24 02:10:16 <MT`AwAy> irc poker rfc?
176 2010-12-24 02:10:23 <Sherpa> no, RHC 1459
177 2010-12-24 02:10:26 <Sherpa> *F
178 2010-12-24 02:10:45 <Sherpa> Network Working Group                                      J. Oikarinen
179 2010-12-24 02:11:02 <Sherpa> Abstract
180 2010-12-24 02:11:03 <Sherpa> the average number of users connected to the main IRC network has
181 2010-12-24 02:11:32 <Sherpa> The MAIN IRC Network..
182 2010-12-24 02:11:36 <Sherpa> I Wonder what that was
183 2010-12-24 02:11:40 <MT`AwAy> irc is probably the single most extablished cloud-based chat protocol
184 2010-12-24 02:11:44 <Cusipzzz> efnet
185 2010-12-24 02:11:53 <Sherpa> I would guess EFNet or DAL
186 2010-12-24 02:12:42 <Sherpa> That document actually has nostalgic value to me :P
187 2010-12-24 02:13:18 <Sherpa> Along with mIRC v5
188 2010-12-24 02:13:20 <Sherpa> :)
189 2010-12-24 02:13:39 <Sherpa> and wIRCD for local testing
190 2010-12-24 02:14:22 <Cusipzzz> hoops, bowl game
191 2010-12-24 02:14:26 <Cusipzzz> gah, wrong window
192 2010-12-24 02:18:43 <MT`AwAy> genjix, remember to sign your edits on talk pages
193 2010-12-24 02:18:51 <genjix> ok
194 2010-12-24 02:18:54 <MT`AwAy> :p
195 2010-12-24 02:22:22 <EvanR> twitter is trying to get me to follow AmericanExpress
196 2010-12-24 02:23:06 <Cusipzzz> don't leave home w/o it
197 2010-12-24 02:23:32 <lolcat^> Its christmas!
198 2010-12-24 02:24:08 <EvanR> all i want for christmas is 400 coins at 20 cents each from mtgox ;)
199 2010-12-24 02:25:18 <MT`AwAy> http://twitpic.com/3ixp0i
200 2010-12-24 02:27:04 <EvanR> whats that
201 2010-12-24 02:27:12 <MT`AwAy> japan
202 2010-12-24 02:27:18 <EvanR> besides that
203 2010-12-24 02:27:21 <lolcat^> EvanR: Unlikley
204 2010-12-24 02:27:26 <EvanR> lol
205 2010-12-24 02:27:41 <MT`AwAy> a picture I just took
206 2010-12-24 02:28:00 <EvanR> that baskin robins is missing their building
207 2010-12-24 02:28:19 <MT`AwAy> because someone didn't believe me when I told him that we had girls dressed as father christmas
208 2010-12-24 02:28:52 <MT`AwAy> oh and you can see the "no smocking" sign on the ground
209 2010-12-24 02:29:09 <lolcat^> MT`AwAy = mtgox?
210 2010-12-24 02:29:12 <MT`AwAy> no
211 2010-12-24 02:29:16 <MT`AwAy> mtgox == mtgox
212 2010-12-24 02:29:25 <MT`AwAy> I'm not mtgox
213 2010-12-24 02:29:34 <MT`AwAy> (I'd love to, but I'm not)
214 2010-12-24 02:30:13 <Cusipzzz> lol
215 2010-12-24 02:30:36 <lolcat^> oO
216 2010-12-24 02:32:00 <MT`AwAy> lolcat^, anyway I'm not mtgox
217 2010-12-24 02:32:30 <lolcat^> Okey, I though it was a abbrevation
218 2010-12-24 02:32:34 <EvanR> magicalgox
219 2010-12-24 02:32:54 <MT`AwAy> :D
220 2010-12-24 02:33:06 <lolcat^> I want to become rich, peg bitcoin to 10x NOK and start my own exchange...
221 2010-12-24 02:34:31 <EvanR> lol this blog is introducing bitcoin at the same time as complaining about the roulette game being rigged
222 2010-12-24 02:34:57 <Cusipzzz> yes, we need fixed exchanged rates to encourage growth,,, o.0
223 2010-12-24 02:34:57 <gribble> Error: "," is not a valid command.
224 2010-12-24 02:35:12 <Cusipzzz> lol
225 2010-12-24 02:35:17 <EvanR> bitcoins should be backed by gold
226 2010-12-24 02:35:24 <EvanR> or vice versa
227 2010-12-24 02:35:36 <MT`AwAy> bitcoin is backed by gpus
228 2010-12-24 02:37:26 <lolcat^> And no. bitcoin are backed by the comunity wanting to buy them
229 2010-12-24 02:37:29 <Cusipzzz> fixed exchange rate works for the Yuan...this floating stuff is rigged ;)
230 2010-12-24 02:38:20 <lolcat^> I think a minimum price would drive the price up fast
231 2010-12-24 02:39:24 <Cusipzzz> there is a min price. all the people lined up on the bid at mtgox...of course maybe not at the quantity you'd like.
232 2010-12-24 02:41:26 <EvanR> is the bitcoin casino still up?
233 2010-12-24 02:50:44 <Beeps> Hello
234 2010-12-24 02:51:44 <Beeps> are you all asleep?
235 2010-12-24 02:51:58 <theymos> Hi.
236 2010-12-24 02:52:37 <Beeps> Hi @theymos
237 2010-12-24 02:52:45 <genjix> sweet i got mutt configured nice now.
238 2010-12-24 02:54:02 <Cusipzzz> hello
239 2010-12-24 02:54:04 <Sherpa> http://www.bitcoinx.info/btcx/
240 2010-12-24 02:54:10 <Cusipzzz> i suggested mutt !
241 2010-12-24 02:54:31 <Beeps> how do you get bitcoins for cash (USD, etc.)?
242 2010-12-24 02:54:55 <nanotube> Beeps: see bitcoin.org/trade (the exchange section)
243 2010-12-24 02:55:11 <Cusipzzz> you can try #bitcoin-otc as well for 1-off trading
244 2010-12-24 02:55:25 <nanotube> Cusipzzz: otc is listed on /trade. :)
245 2010-12-24 02:55:33 <Sherpa> Or make a post at http://www.bitcoinx.info/btcx/sell/
246 2010-12-24 02:55:34 <Beeps> I did, but all the services that allow me to buy BTC are down
247 2010-12-24 02:55:34 <Cusipzzz> ohhh. forgot :)
248 2010-12-24 02:55:37 <Sherpa> :)
249 2010-12-24 02:55:49 <Cusipzzz> #bitcoin-otc is open!
250 2010-12-24 02:58:28 <Beeps> BTC-OTC, thanks, didn't know about it
251 2010-12-24 02:59:38 <Beeps> I wonder if Wikileaks takes BTC
252 2010-12-24 02:59:45 <genjix> no they dont
253 2010-12-24 02:59:54 <genjix> we came to a gentlemens agreement
254 2010-12-24 02:59:57 <aximilation> they should
255 2010-12-24 03:00:23 <genjix> that'd be nice for wikileaks, disastrous for bitcoin.
256 2010-12-24 03:00:43 <EvanR> what was the agreement
257 2010-12-24 03:00:47 <genjix> +5 for wikileaks, -5000 for bitcoin
258 2010-12-24 03:00:59 <genjix> -9001 heh
259 2010-12-24 03:01:12 <Cusipzzz> lol
260 2010-12-24 03:01:23 <nanotube> genjix: even from wl standpoint, problem is there's not enough volume in btc... so it doesn't do them any appreciable good.
261 2010-12-24 03:01:25 <genjix> EvanR: i think they just agreed not to use it because people didnt want them too.
262 2010-12-24 03:01:34 <Sherpa> http://www.bitcoinx.info/btcx/remote-pooled-mining/12-official-btcx-mining-pool.html
263 2010-12-24 03:01:54 <genjix> ic
264 2010-12-24 03:02:08 <genjix> but i know already some people are shifting a few K in btc
265 2010-12-24 03:02:31 <genjix> in the 5-digit ranges
266 2010-12-24 03:02:53 <Beeps> alot of people are angry, like me, and are giving BTC another look
267 2010-12-24 03:02:59 <aximilation> tell me a bit more about the pooled mining?
268 2010-12-24 03:03:11 <Cusipzzz> why did you look away the first time?
269 2010-12-24 03:03:19 <aximilation> I have several machines around that can contribute CPU but haven't found anything on their own :-|
270 2010-12-24 03:03:24 <Beeps> didn't understand it
271 2010-12-24 03:03:32 <genjix> Cusipzzz: x-factor on television
272 2010-12-24 03:03:36 <Beeps> now i do, somewhat
273 2010-12-24 03:03:51 <genjix> another presidential debate :p
274 2010-12-24 03:03:53 <Cusipzzz> lol
275 2010-12-24 03:05:13 <Beeps> besides, when i looked at BTC last time, it was still VERy new and nobody was using it,
276 2010-12-24 03:05:48 <Beeps> now EFF, i2p, others are taking BTC
277 2010-12-24 03:06:03 <nanotube> aximilation: look at the ,,pool page
278 2010-12-24 03:06:04 <gribble> No fancy GPU farm, and don't want to wait for months for a block gen? Join the mining pool! http://mining.bitcoin.cz/
279 2010-12-24 03:06:13 <Beeps> and we really need an alternative currency/transfer system
280 2010-12-24 03:06:38 <nanotube> tcatm: nice work on the tablification of the hardware tables. :)
281 2010-12-24 03:06:59 <Cusipzzz> Beeps: so get in there!
282 2010-12-24 03:07:15 <EvanR> Beeps: so far, bitcoins has worked well for me, unless i want it to interface with real money
283 2010-12-24 03:07:24 <Cusipzzz> lol
284 2010-12-24 03:07:35 <EvanR> solution, keep it all in bitcoins
285 2010-12-24 03:07:40 <Cusipzzz> ez game
286 2010-12-24 03:08:24 <Beeps> Cusipzzz/EvanR, I am running BTC, but have very little to buy anything, so I need to convert some regular money into BTC
287 2010-12-24 03:09:00 <EvanR> how many do you want
288 2010-12-24 03:09:21 <Beeps> dunno yet,
289 2010-12-24 03:09:25 <Cusipzzz> what kind of 'regular money' ? i suggest #bitcoin-otc
290 2010-12-24 03:09:36 <Beeps> regular = USD
291 2010-12-24 03:09:53 <EvanR> i like my monopoly on Beeps in here ;)
292 2010-12-24 03:10:05 <Cusipzzz> define USD...cash? paypal? check? credit card? stored value card? amazon USD credit? poker usd$
293 2010-12-24 03:10:27 <Beeps> USD is going to be worthless anyway :)
294 2010-12-24 03:10:33 <EvanR> chili's gift card, stocks and bonds, swiss accounts
295 2010-12-24 03:10:42 <Beeps> paypal or cash
296 2010-12-24 03:11:08 <Cusipzzz> where do ya live? some people will take cash in person if you don't want to mail. people will take paypal in #bitcoin-otc
297 2010-12-24 03:11:52 <Beeps> I live on 2 continents, sometimes 3
298 2010-12-24 03:12:10 <Beeps> i need to lose some weight :)
299 2010-12-24 03:12:18 <Cusipzzz> ok, i tried =)
300 2010-12-24 03:13:06 <Beeps> thanks for the info, but those who take cash, how do THEY exchange it for BTC?
301 2010-12-24 03:13:19 <EvanR> mail
302 2010-12-24 03:13:26 <EvanR> oh
303 2010-12-24 03:13:30 <Cusipzzz> they already have them... almost 5MM outstanding
304 2010-12-24 03:13:34 <EvanR> yeah
305 2010-12-24 03:13:54 <theymos> They might also have large amounts in Liberty Reserve, which is more easy to trade with.
306 2010-12-24 03:13:56 <EvanR> they are already in the pyramid
307 2010-12-24 03:14:09 <Beeps> wow, that doesn't seem fair, that the BTC system is si skewed rich/poor from the outset
308 2010-12-24 03:14:34 <EvanR> its not
309 2010-12-24 03:14:40 <nanotube> Beeps: well, you are invited to come up with a better way to initially 'seed' the currency among the populace.
310 2010-12-24 03:14:52 <EvanR> overthrow satoshi
311 2010-12-24 03:14:54 <Cusipzzz> yes! outrageous !
312 2010-12-24 03:14:55 <nanotube> Beeps: whatever you come up with is likely to have more problems than this. :)
313 2010-12-24 03:15:12 <EvanR> redistribution of wealth
314 2010-12-24 03:15:24 <Cusipzzz> ya.. BTC lottery of all outstanding coins every 6 months.
315 2010-12-24 03:15:36 <Cusipzzz> that would be exciting
316 2010-12-24 03:15:52 <Beeps> it should be more equitable at least until the maximum BTC number of coins is minted
317 2010-12-24 03:16:01 <EvanR> in 2140?
318 2010-12-24 03:16:11 <Cusipzzz> it is equitable..you do the work, you get the coins
319 2010-12-24 03:16:20 <Beeps> OK, maybe 75%
320 2010-12-24 03:17:05 <Beeps> not equitable, because if you can afford more/better computers, electricity, then you get more BTC
321 2010-12-24 03:17:05 <Cusipzzz> early adopters always have an advantage. people who bought apple stock at 10, that's not fair to the guy who wants to buy today, at $233, right?
322 2010-12-24 03:17:28 <EvanR> you would get more sooner by just buying them outright
323 2010-12-24 03:17:53 <Beeps> true....
324 2010-12-24 03:17:57 <EvanR> well not if you go all out
325 2010-12-24 03:17:58 <Cusipzzz> yes, bitcoin is biased against homeless people, you are right, we should shut it down.
326 2010-12-24 03:18:01 <EvanR> with an array of 5970
327 2010-12-24 03:18:10 <theymos> Beeps: That's how all resources work. Generators are simply buying BTC with electricity.
328 2010-12-24 03:18:29 <theymos> When the price was low, you could also have bought BTC with USD at extremely low prices.
329 2010-12-24 03:19:06 <Cusipzzz> you may get your chance again, maybe $.25 is too high and it will be $.06 next week?
330 2010-12-24 03:19:29 <EvanR> the sellers havent budged in days :(
331 2010-12-24 03:19:37 <Beeps> i understand that this tendency to stratification is not avoidable, but I was hoping that it would be level at least for some time in the beginning
332 2010-12-24 03:19:51 <EvanR> Beeps is a communist!
333 2010-12-24 03:20:13 <Cusipzzz> it was level, it is level. late joiners will always pay more. such is life
334 2010-12-24 03:20:34 <Beeps> fuck life!!
335 2010-12-24 03:20:36 <Beeps> LOL
336 2010-12-24 03:20:44 <EvanR> figure out ways to steal peoples coins
337 2010-12-24 03:20:55 <Beeps> call me Comrade Beeps
338 2010-12-24 03:21:09 <EvanR> for instance, with a casino
339 2010-12-24 03:21:23 <Cusipzzz> Beeps: go to the faucet - free coins
340 2010-12-24 03:21:33 <Beeps> is soviet russia, we use rubber hoses
341 2010-12-24 03:21:47 <fabianhjr> Does anyone know where is Genjix?
342 2010-12-24 03:22:09 <Beeps> faucet, nice idea, but need more
343 2010-12-24 03:22:11 <Cusipzzz> !seen genjix
344 2010-12-24 03:22:15 <Cusipzzz> hmm
345 2010-12-24 03:22:20 <theymos> ;;seen genjix
346 2010-12-24 03:22:21 <gribble> genjix was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 18 minutes and 29 seconds ago: <genjix> another presidential debate :p
347 2010-12-24 03:22:22 <EvanR> Beeps: people donate to people regularly
348 2010-12-24 03:22:28 <EvanR> put your cup out
349 2010-12-24 03:22:30 <Cusipzzz> ah, thx :)
350 2010-12-24 03:22:58 <fabianhjr> OMG, he is in deep shit. There has been someone with shell access to pastecoin >_<
351 2010-12-24 03:23:58 <Cusipzzz> and that's a problem because...
352 2010-12-24 03:24:58 <EvanR> Beeps: ill send you a coin if you give me an address
353 2010-12-24 03:25:15 <theymos> Didn't he sell pastecoin?
354 2010-12-24 03:26:00 <fabianhjr> Don't care. Somone uploaded a c99 and here is where I sell my files. >_<
355 2010-12-24 03:26:12 <Beeps> thanks EvanR, but I really don't need it at this point, and BTC being scarce, you should keep it. I have 0.05 and counting.
356 2010-12-24 03:26:27 <EvanR> they arent really scarce
357 2010-12-24 03:26:41 <EvanR> see depth of mtgox
358 2010-12-24 03:26:45 <Cusipzzz> scarce is relative..
359 2010-12-24 03:26:47 <fabianhjr> theymos: who is the new owner?
360 2010-12-24 03:27:14 <theymos> fabianhjr: I don't know. I don't even know if he sold it yet. He was auctioning it off on the forum, though.
361 2010-12-24 03:27:27 <fabianhjr> Yes, I saw it.
362 2010-12-24 03:27:59 <fabianhjr> I hope he gets online soon.
363 2010-12-24 03:28:18 <fabianhjr> Kiba: are you the new owner of Pastecoin?
364 2010-12-24 03:29:54 <fabianhjr> Are you still there?</Portal>
365 2010-12-24 03:35:35 <Beeps> Thanks theymos, EvanR, Cusi, etc for all the info
366 2010-12-24 03:37:45 <EvanR> may the coin be with you
367 2010-12-24 03:37:58 <Beeps> lol
368 2010-12-24 03:39:16 <Beeps> i hope the coin takes over the world
369 2010-12-24 03:39:25 <Beeps> dark side and all
370 2010-12-24 03:40:11 <Cusipzzz> but that will only enrich the founders...blashpemy. we need it to catch up, nobody cash out, then blow it up and start a 2nd chain, where everyone is even at beginning :)
371 2010-12-24 03:40:35 <lolcat^> EvanR: How many coins are for sale on mtgox?
372 2010-12-24 03:40:51 <EvanR> like a hundred thousand
373 2010-12-24 03:40:57 <EvanR> just guessing
374 2010-12-24 03:41:04 <Beeps> lol Cusipzzz
375 2010-12-24 03:41:05 <Cusipzzz> prob more
376 2010-12-24 03:41:12 <EvanR> oh, dark pools
377 2010-12-24 03:41:27 <Cusipzzz> question is not how many, but how many at what price?
378 2010-12-24 03:42:34 <Cusipzzz> lots
379 2010-12-24 03:43:42 <Beeps> BTC is open source, so who knows what thsi will start
380 2010-12-24 03:46:02 <pop_> hi
381 2010-12-24 03:46:19 <Cusipzzz> hello
382 2010-12-24 03:46:24 <pop_> anyone up for some help?
383 2010-12-24 03:46:39 <Cusipzzz> go for it
384 2010-12-24 03:46:42 <aximilation> I love getting help!
385 2010-12-24 03:47:11 <pop_> I dled bitcoin went to faucet did the whole thing got the coin, but man something is eating all my cpus
386 2010-12-24 03:47:27 <pop_> I had to suspend the program
387 2010-12-24 03:47:32 <Cusipzzz> don't generate coins
388 2010-12-24 03:47:39 <aximilation> sounds like you're mining
389 2010-12-24 03:47:42 <theymos> Are you still downloading blocks?
390 2010-12-24 03:47:51 <Cusipzzz> even better answer :/
391 2010-12-24 03:48:16 <pop_> no idea
392 2010-12-24 03:48:30 <theymos> Is the block count in the lower right of the UI increasing?
393 2010-12-24 03:49:16 <pop_> coupld see it had to end the program
394 2010-12-24 03:49:25 <Beeps> instead of solving stupid sha problems, why not generate BTC by running a program like seti@home?
395 2010-12-24 03:49:28 <Cusipzzz> re open it =)
396 2010-12-24 03:49:32 <pop_> k
397 2010-12-24 03:49:50 <theymos> Beeps: Those don't have the properties we need. We need to generate random numbers verifiably.
398 2010-12-24 03:50:04 <theymos> Beeps: And it's not useless. It allows Bitcoin to function.
399 2010-12-24 03:50:12 <pop_> says 1 connection 99150block 1 trans
400 2010-12-24 03:50:49 <theymos> Does it say "generating" at the bottom of the UI?