1 2010-12-26 00:09:53 <Kiba> Merry Christmas everyone
  2 2010-12-26 00:59:29 <da2ce7> ;;bc,mtgox
  3 2010-12-26 00:59:30 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.25,"low":0.2475,"vol":703,"buy":0.2464,"sell":0.2499,"last":0.2499}}
  4 2010-12-26 01:01:59 <genjix> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhgXAABm-M0
  5 2010-12-26 01:02:06 <genjix> found that on bitcoin forums XD
  6 2010-12-26 01:02:09 <genjix> soo cool
  7 2010-12-26 01:03:23 <genjix> wtf warner using emacs for irc...
  8 2010-12-26 01:06:52 <Cusipzzz> lol
  9 2010-12-26 01:09:07 <Cusipzzz> what doesn't emacs do?!
 10 2010-12-26 01:10:55 <tcatm> It doesn't generate bitcoins yet...
 11 2010-12-26 01:13:07 <Cusipzzz> soon
 12 2010-12-26 01:15:08 <tcatm> typed rm instead of mv :/
 13 2010-12-26 01:15:40 <Cusipzzz> oof
 14 2010-12-26 03:02:55 <genjix> so i just found out about ctrl+z sending apps to the background in the terminal
 15 2010-12-26 03:03:03 <genjix> how can i bring them back up/
 16 2010-12-26 03:03:04 <genjix> ?
 17 2010-12-26 03:03:21 <BoBeR> kill it
 18 2010-12-26 03:03:24 <BoBeR> restart it
 19 2010-12-26 03:03:35 <BoBeR> or some secret linux codes
 20 2010-12-26 03:04:21 <BoBeR> hai
 21 2010-12-26 03:04:26 <BoBeR> what up kiba
 22 2010-12-26 03:04:32 <BoBeR> and mIRC is for losers
 23 2010-12-26 03:04:50 <Kiba> I don't use mIRC
 24 2010-12-26 03:04:53 <Kiba> I used emacs!\n132687
 25 2010-12-26 03:05:19 <BoBeR> or a needle and a steady hand to flip the bits on my hdd
 26 2010-12-26 03:05:36 <Kiba> M-x irc-with-needle does that
 27 2010-12-26 03:05:43 <genjix> screen -mdS i irssi
 28 2010-12-26 03:05:46 <genjix> screen -r
 29 2010-12-26 03:06:00 <genjix> close terminal, then run screen -r again :)
 30 2010-12-26 03:06:10 <BoBeR> xkcd ftw
 31 2010-12-26 03:06:56 <genjix> http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1075
 32 2010-12-26 03:07:01 <genjix> this script is the best!
 33 2010-12-26 03:07:45 <BoBeR> "rm -f /" is the best script
 34 2010-12-26 05:17:53 <INEEDMONEY> guys
 35 2010-12-26 05:17:57 <INEEDMONEY> you just abolished stealing
 36 2010-12-26 05:18:07 <INEEDMONEY> it will become economically unfeasible
 37 2010-12-26 05:21:33 <nanotube> genjix: to bring back a backgrounded app, use 'fg'
 38 2010-12-26 05:21:49 <genjix> yep learnt about all now :)
 39 2010-12-26 05:21:58 <genjix> been using screen all these years
 40 2010-12-26 05:22:10 <genjix> shocking
 41 2010-12-26 05:22:31 <nanotube> screen is nice :)
 42 2010-12-26 05:24:03 <INEEDMONEY> screen is beautiful
 43 2010-12-26 05:24:13 <INEEDMONEY> an elegant artwork of logic
 44 2010-12-26 05:24:23 <INEEDMONEY> tremendously useful
 45 2010-12-26 05:26:10 <genjix> INEEDMONEY: today for the first time i found out about ctrl+z, fg & jobs... more handy when hacking in vim than having to remember to start my screen sessions.
 46 2010-12-26 05:26:27 <INEEDMONEY> dude
 47 2010-12-26 05:26:29 <INEEDMONEY> absolutely!
 48 2010-12-26 05:26:32 <INEEDMONEY> I love fg
 49 2010-12-26 05:26:41 <INEEDMONEY> I just learned about it, too
 50 2010-12-26 05:26:44 <INEEDMONEY> like in the past month
 51 2010-12-26 05:27:13 <genjix> heh i been using linux for 10 years and never knew this really handy command...
 52 2010-12-26 05:28:42 <Kiba> hmm
 53 2010-12-26 05:28:46 <Kiba> do you use xmonad?
 54 2010-12-26 05:29:00 <genjix> no awesome.
 55 2010-12-26 05:29:20 <Kiba> xmonad is not awesome? ;_;
 56 2010-12-26 05:29:30 <genjix> no they're different.
 57 2010-12-26 05:29:30 <Kiba> bidirectional...cultural exchange
 58 2010-12-26 05:29:41 <Kiba> maybe
 59 2010-12-26 05:29:53 <Kiba> we could set up a bidirectional cultural exchange operation
 60 2010-12-26 05:47:09 <da2ce7> hey, anyone have a graph of the real bitcoins generated over time?
 61 2010-12-26 05:47:27 <genjix> da2ce7: yep its on wikipedia
 62 2010-12-26 05:47:28 <da2ce7> not the idealized 6*50/h
 63 2010-12-26 05:47:31 <genjix> oh
 64 2010-12-26 05:48:00 <nanotube> da2ce7: well... it's probably "relatively close" to the idealized one. :)
 65 2010-12-26 05:48:26 <da2ce7> I'm just trying to calulate 'market cap' in USD over time
 66 2010-12-26 05:50:04 <da2ce7> hmm, well if it hasn't been made yet, I put a 50BTC bounty out on that graph. :)
 67 2010-12-26 05:51:07 <da2ce7> but it needs to be good quality, like tcatm's graphs on bitcoincharts.com
 68 2010-12-26 05:52:06 <Kiba> what make Japanese comics so popular to western audience?
 69 2010-12-26 05:52:29 <da2ce7> kiba, easy, big boobs.
 70 2010-12-26 05:53:33 <Kiba> AMerican comics have big boobs, too
 71 2010-12-26 05:54:00 <da2ce7> kiba, big boobs, and short skirts.
 72 2010-12-26 05:54:14 <Kiba> ...
 73 2010-12-26 05:56:12 <Diablo-D3> did someone way boobs?
 74 2010-12-26 05:56:45 <da2ce7> and short skirts.
 75 2010-12-26 05:58:08 <Kiba> MT`AwAy: did ya answer my email?
 76 2010-12-26 06:06:08 <INEEDMONEY> MT`AwAy: is busy right now
 77 2010-12-26 06:35:57 <dduane> genjix:  if you like those, check out screen
 78 2010-12-26 06:36:32 <dduane> it allows you to have multiple terminals/screens open from the same login
 79 2010-12-26 06:37:00 <mizerydearia> There is something like screen.  Anyone know the name?
 80 2010-12-26 06:40:52 <mizerydearia> maybe tmux
 81 2010-12-26 06:41:12 <mizerydearia> yep
 82 2010-12-26 06:41:54 <mizerydearia> http://www.wikivs.com/wiki/Screen_vs_tmux
 83 2010-12-26 06:42:08 <BoBeR> crtl f1 f2 f3 f4 f5
 84 2010-12-26 06:42:10 <BoBeR> all them
 85 2010-12-26 06:42:12 <BoBeR> lots of logins
 86 2010-12-26 06:42:37 <BoBeR> ;;block
 87 2010-12-26 06:42:37 <gribble> Error: "block" is not a valid command.
 88 2010-12-26 06:42:41 <BoBeR> ;;blocks
 89 2010-12-26 06:42:41 <gribble> Error: "blocks" is not a valid command.
 90 2010-12-26 06:42:48 <BoBeR> ;;bc,blocks
 91 2010-12-26 06:42:48 <gribble> 99466
 92 2010-12-26 06:42:57 <BoBeR> how long has it been like that
 93 2010-12-26 06:48:45 <mizerydearia> BoBeR, 99466 block was found at timestamp 1293347377.  Right now is 1293349719
 94 2010-12-26 06:48:54 <mizerydearia> ;;math calc 1293349719 - 1293347377
 95 2010-12-26 06:48:55 <gribble> 2342
 96 2010-12-26 06:49:15 <BoBeR> ;;math calc 2342 / 60
 97 2010-12-26 06:49:15 <gribble> 39.0333333333
 98 2010-12-26 06:49:38 <BoBeR> 40 minuits for one block is a bit of a stretch
 99 2010-12-26 06:49:49 <BoBeR> ideally its 10
100 2010-12-26 06:49:51 <mizerydearia> Which could imply that a lot of nodes disappeared
101 2010-12-26 06:50:00 <BoBeR> and we where always generating above that
102 2010-12-26 06:50:11 <BoBeR> so thats a good 25% of the network gone in one move
103 2010-12-26 06:50:21 <BoBeR> did artforz die or something
104 2010-12-26 06:50:28 <BoBeR> or all the pools crash
105 2010-12-26 06:50:37 <BoBeR> maybe the government started ddosing nodes
106 2010-12-26 06:50:42 <BoBeR> CONSPIRACYS
107 2010-12-26 06:51:25 <BoBeR> ;;bc,blocks
108 2010-12-26 06:51:25 <gribble> 99467
109 2010-12-26 06:51:28 <BoBeR> lol
110 2010-12-26 06:55:22 <chuck251> it's also christmas, prob. many people away / turned off their machines
111 2010-12-26 06:55:56 <Kiba> we still break record!
112 2010-12-26 06:56:01 <Kiba> 7000 posts within a month!
113 2010-12-26 06:56:30 <ne0futur> wish for 2011 : btc goes past 0.29 on ntgox !
114 2010-12-26 06:57:21 <ne0futur> Kiba: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1687.0
115 2010-12-26 06:57:23 <bitbot> GNU/Linux, hosting and other web services for BitCoins
116 2010-12-26 06:57:26 <ne0futur> i cont do more right now
117 2010-12-26 06:57:50 <ne0futur> well theres also 20 k ads print 7 day on #bitcoin-ads
118 2010-12-26 07:04:36 <Sherpa> http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2010/02/11/chip-and-pin-is-broken/
119 2010-12-26 07:06:32 <ne0futur> ECPM cost
120 2010-12-26 07:06:37 <ne0futur> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Cost_per_mille
121 2010-12-26 07:06:44 <meatpopsicle> nice link Sherpa
122 2010-12-26 08:03:05 <ne0futur> Kiba: coud also be before 2011
123 2010-12-26 08:03:07 <ne0futur> :p
124 2010-12-26 08:03:13 <ne0futur> anyway happy new year to all
125 2010-12-26 08:03:19 <ne0futur> see ya in 2011
126 2010-12-26 08:03:27 <ne0futur> love choice and faith
127 2010-12-26 08:03:30 <ne0futur> with tim
128 2010-12-26 08:03:33 <ne0futur> with time
129 2010-12-26 08:03:44 <ne0futur> my with for BTC economy and for you all !
130 2010-12-26 08:05:17 <nathan7> :O
131 2010-12-26 08:05:22 <nathan7> ..HEY, MY OPS
132 2010-12-26 08:05:35 <nathan7> nanotube!
133 2010-12-26 08:05:40 <nathan7> nameless|!
134 2010-12-26 08:05:42 <nathan7> Xunie!
135 2010-12-26 08:10:55 <Xunie> nathan7!
136 2010-12-26 08:11:37 <nathan7> :D
137 2010-12-26 08:12:37 <ne0futur> f you need more ircops here just ask
138 2010-12-26 08:13:25 <ne0futur> better have acces list and /msg chanserv op _you_
139 2010-12-26 08:14:53 <genjix> it's not in compliance with freenode policy for ops to remain as operators 24/7
140 2010-12-26 08:15:11 <ne0futur> sure
141 2010-12-26 08:15:14 <genjix> you're supposed to invoke them as needed and then drop it again.
142 2010-12-26 08:15:36 <ne0futur> but its good to have someone 24/24 that can  /msg chanserv op _you_
143 2010-12-26 08:15:53 <ne0futur> 4 people on the access list
144 2010-12-26 08:15:57 <genjix> why?
145 2010-12-26 08:16:10 <ne0futur> yu dunno what couls happen on a irc channel
146 2010-12-26 08:16:40 <ne0futur> how many bots, how muh flooding to stop information
147 2010-12-26 08:16:47 <ne0futur> how much spam ?
148 2010-12-26 08:16:57 <ne0futur> orscam ?
149 2010-12-26 08:17:02 <genjix> nevermind... can't be bothered to re-explain to you.
150 2010-12-26 08:17:23 <ne0futur> just answering you "why"
151 2010-12-26 08:17:25 <ne0futur> sorry
152 2010-12-26 08:17:30 <ne0futur> n8
153 2010-12-26 08:18:00 <ne0futur> i shouldnt have answered your "why" you seem not to like it
154 2010-12-26 08:18:14 <ne0futur> dont bother :p
155 2010-12-26 08:23:44 <ne0futur> see you all in 2011
156 2010-12-26 08:37:55 <Raulo> da2ce7: I created a plot of bitcoin economy size
157 2010-12-26 08:38:35 <Raulo> http://bitcoin.atspace.com/economy.png
158 2010-12-26 08:39:24 <Raulo> It's not very much different from the trade data because the number of bitcoins in circulation grows rather slowly
159 2010-12-26 08:43:16 <Raulo> Here is the raw data: http://bitcoin.atspace.com/tradesblock.txt.gz
160 2010-12-26 08:43:37 <Raulo> Timestamp trade_price block_last_seen
161 2010-12-26 08:44:46 <Raulo> Economy_size=tradeprice*block_last_seen*50
162 2010-12-26 08:46:23 <BoBeR> nothing new
163 2010-12-26 08:46:28 <Raulo> My address: 1D5xaqev6rDt5Z4em9f7KT9Ymug6uDScau
164 2010-12-26 08:54:48 <Raulo> ;;bc,stats
165 2010-12-26 08:54:50 <gribble> Current Blocks: 99477 | Current Difficulty: 14484.16236123 | Next Difficulty At Block: 100799 | Next Difficulty In: 1322 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 20 hours, 15 minutes, and 16 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 15058.10126848
166 2010-12-26 09:26:02 <INEEDMONEY> anyone still awake?
167 2010-12-26 09:48:29 <sipa> no
168 2010-12-26 09:49:34 <scibotic> maybe
169 2010-12-26 09:53:06 <INEEDMONEY> oh
170 2010-12-26 09:53:09 <INEEDMONEY> I just wanted to say sorry
171 2010-12-26 09:53:17 <INEEDMONEY> for being so annoying in here and in the bitcoin community
172 2010-12-26 09:54:51 <genjix> 1WaEzYXMjT6gk4wttK2U4MirvZ4Yt43Zp
173 2010-12-26 09:55:05 <genjix> 5 btc for apology acceptances.
174 2010-12-26 09:55:52 <INEEDMONEY> -_-
175 2010-12-26 09:55:58 <INEEDMONEY> the syndicate doesn't have that much money
176 2010-12-26 09:56:01 <INEEDMONEY> I need ADD medication
177 2010-12-26 09:56:44 <INEEDMONEY> but I can bay you 10 bitcoin if you can come up with a good name for my bong
178 2010-12-26 09:57:04 <genjix> soros = esperanto for will soar in the future
179 2010-12-26 09:57:12 <genjix> luma = esperanto for shining
180 2010-12-26 09:57:24 <INEEDMONEY> gotta say that in my channel
181 2010-12-26 10:15:10 <INEEDMONEY> genjix hates free money
182 2010-12-26 10:15:17 <INEEDMONEY> who doesn't hate free money?
183 2010-12-26 10:15:30 <genjix> last word bitch.
184 2010-12-26 10:15:32 <scibotic> I hatae free money.
185 2010-12-26 10:15:38 <scibotic> hate*
186 2010-12-26 10:15:39 <genjix> HAHAHAHA
187 2010-12-26 10:15:46 <INEEDMONEY> PM me your bitcoin address
188 2010-12-26 10:15:48 <INEEDMONEY> free money
189 2010-12-26 10:15:55 <genjix> ^ scam.
190 2010-12-26 10:15:55 <scibotic> No.
191 2010-12-26 10:16:22 <INEEDMONEY> -_- I cannot scam you that way
192 2010-12-26 10:16:25 <INEEDMONEY> bitcoin doesn't work that way
193 2010-12-26 10:16:34 <genjix> you scammed me of my precious time.
194 2010-12-26 10:16:38 <scibotic> Free cash doesn't bring me comfort, stable income from my craft does.
195 2010-12-26 10:16:42 <INEEDMONEY> you never gave me your address
196 2010-12-26 10:16:49 <INEEDMONEY> scibotic: I want to bring your craft to my syndicate
197 2010-12-26 10:16:55 <scibotic> No.
198 2010-12-26 10:16:59 <scibotic> ^ scam.
199 2010-12-26 10:17:01 <INEEDMONEY> then fuck all yall niggas
200 2010-12-26 10:17:05 <INEEDMONEY> im outta here
201 2010-12-26 10:17:10 <genjix> scibotic: what's your 'craft'?
202 2010-12-26 10:17:19 <INEEDMONEY> make your own fucking syndicate
203 2010-12-26 10:17:20 <scibotic> Illustration
204 2010-12-26 10:17:22 <genjix> sounds like you're a carpenter
205 2010-12-26 10:17:26 <devon_hillard> is anyone else running a miner from windows?
206 2010-12-26 10:17:28 <genjix> ohh
207 2010-12-26 10:17:32 <INEEDMONEY> I already have two illustrators
208 2010-12-26 10:17:42 <INEEDMONEY> want to work on a project with them?
209 2010-12-26 10:17:47 <INEEDMONEY> can you do flash art?
210 2010-12-26 10:17:53 <genjix> loool flash
211 2010-12-26 10:17:53 <scibotic> No.
212 2010-12-26 10:18:03 <scibotic> No as in I don't want to work with them.
213 2010-12-26 10:18:07 <INEEDMONEY> website advertisements?
214 2010-12-26 10:18:13 <scibotic> No.
215 2010-12-26 10:18:17 <INEEDMONEY> what kind of illustration
216 2010-12-26 10:18:21 <INEEDMONEY> concept art for video games?
217 2010-12-26 10:18:25 <genjix> scibotic: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2455.0
218 2010-12-26 10:18:27 <bitbot> artist and animator
219 2010-12-26 10:18:40 <scibotic> Concept art is one of the many things you can do with the same skillset.
220 2010-12-26 10:23:43 <scibotic> I can't take on anything that doesn't pay decently for my time, I have a lot to deal with right now.
221 2010-12-26 10:26:47 <scibotic> Wow this channel is quiet.
222 2010-12-26 10:27:36 <genjix> christmas :p
223 2010-12-26 10:28:33 <scibotic> Was just worried that there might've been some collateral when I put INEED on ignore.
224 2010-12-26 10:36:30 <lfm> naw he left
225 2010-12-26 10:38:02 <lfm> you should never worry about using /ignore. it defeats the purpose! :-)
226 2010-12-26 10:40:07 <scibotic> Only a problem when the channel suddenly goes silent after I do said command. :P
227 2010-12-26 11:45:37 <lfm> ;;bc,stats
228 2010-12-26 11:45:40 <gribble> Current Blocks: 99502 | Current Difficulty: 14484.16236123 | Next Difficulty At Block: 100799 | Next Difficulty In: 1297 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 14 hours, 4 minutes, and 44 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 15203.56879639
229 2010-12-26 11:46:00 <sipa> will there be a 100000-block party?
230 2010-12-26 11:48:50 <lfm> good idea
231 2010-12-26 11:49:46 <lfm> it might be on the new year ( but probably before I guess)
232 2010-12-26 11:49:58 <TD> what might cause a transaction i've sent to not make it into any blocks? i mean, i understand the protocols and that inv propagation is not really guaranteed, but i've missed several blocks now
233 2010-12-26 11:50:57 <lfm> td could be just real bad luck I spoze. is there anything special about the txn?
234 2010-12-26 11:51:03 <TD> no
235 2010-12-26 11:51:10 <TD> it's only for 2 coins
236 2010-12-26 11:51:18 <TD> but i guess that shouldn't matter
237 2010-12-26 11:51:30 <lfm> is it sepnding coins that have been fully confirmed?
238 2010-12-26 11:51:36 <TD> yes
239 2010-12-26 11:51:41 <TD> maybe i need to include a fee
240 2010-12-26 11:51:44 <BoBeR> no
241 2010-12-26 11:51:49 <BoBeR> fees are still useless
242 2010-12-26 11:51:58 <lfm> I dont think a fee should be needed.
243 2010-12-26 11:52:06 <BoBeR> whats the confirmation on the sent coins
244 2010-12-26 11:52:08 <TD> ok, that's what i thought ..... still lots of generators not requiring them
245 2010-12-26 11:52:12 <BoBeR> are you sure the address is worknig
246 2010-12-26 11:52:22 <TD> 952 confirmations
247 2010-12-26 11:52:29 <BoBeR> then its sent
248 2010-12-26 11:52:46 <lfm> you can look at the block browser to see if there is any odd activity going on that might explain it
249 2010-12-26 11:52:57 <TD> yeah i looked at the explorer. everything looks normal
250 2010-12-26 11:53:02 <BoBeR> then its sent
251 2010-12-26 11:53:06 <BoBeR> i dont see the problem
252 2010-12-26 11:53:10 <TD> BoBeR: i mean the previous tx is 952 confirmations. the one i just sent now is sitting at zero
253 2010-12-26 11:53:18 <TD> i guess it's indeed just bad luck
254 2010-12-26 11:53:26 <BoBeR> ;;bc,blocks
255 2010-12-26 11:53:26 <gribble> 99504
256 2010-12-26 11:53:32 <BoBeR> hmm its been slow today
257 2010-12-26 11:53:40 <BoBeR> new blocks took 40 min at times
258 2010-12-26 11:53:46 <lfm> if you like to tell us the address we can watch for it
259 2010-12-26 11:53:49 <TD> lots of nodes offline at christmas i guess
260 2010-12-26 11:53:51 <BoBeR> it seems ~20 % of the network died
261 2010-12-26 11:53:54 <TD> well i can tail the block explorer
262 2010-12-26 11:54:00 <TD> so no problem
263 2010-12-26 11:54:22 <BoBeR> well
264 2010-12-26 11:54:29 <BoBeR> you can always sed money to us
265 2010-12-26 11:54:31 <TD> heh
266 2010-12-26 11:54:33 <lfm> you should be able to see whats happening in your debug.log too
267 2010-12-26 11:54:36 <TD> yeah
268 2010-12-26 11:54:42 <TD> watching that. i can see my client sending invs
269 2010-12-26 11:54:44 <BoBeR> its 8 am should i go to sleep or make break fast
270 2010-12-26 11:54:45 <TD> just have to wait i suppose
271 2010-12-26 11:55:40 <TD> ;;bc,stats
272 2010-12-26 11:55:42 <gribble> Current Blocks: 99504 | Current Difficulty: 14484.16236123 | Next Difficulty At Block: 100799 | Next Difficulty In: 1295 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 13 hours, 24 minutes, and 5 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 15236.68581199
273 2010-12-26 11:56:38 <lfm> td it seems some miners are getting kinda lazy about keeping up with transactionsa
274 2010-12-26 11:56:53 <TD> hmm
275 2010-12-26 11:57:03 <TD> like maybe slushs pool isn't distributing transactions quickly enough or something
276 2010-12-26 11:57:37 <sipa> what do you mean by distributing transactions?
277 2010-12-26 11:57:46 <TD> to the mining nodes
278 2010-12-26 11:58:11 <sipa> ?
279 2010-12-26 11:58:18 <TD> ignore me .....
280 2010-12-26 11:58:19 <sipa> it's the mining nodes that ask for work
281 2010-12-26 11:58:24 <sipa> from the pool
282 2010-12-26 11:59:06 <lfm> not sure exactly and it may be just my immagination. perhaps a fee might help for such situations but if you already sent yours its too late to add a fee now
283 2010-12-26 11:59:57 <sipa> i'm not sure what you're talking about
284 2010-12-26 12:00:09 <lfm> sipa: I mean miners might be lazy about updating there blocks to include new transactions as they come out since they get the 50 coin reward anyway
285 2010-12-26 12:00:58 <sipa> miners ask the client (which may be a pool) for work every few seconds
286 2010-12-26 12:01:21 <lfm> sipa this would be about custom miners. the standard client is quite fair about it
287 2010-12-26 12:01:35 <sipa> i'm talking about custom miners
288 2010-12-26 12:01:46 <sipa> at least, the ones by momchil and diabolo
289 2010-12-26 12:01:52 <lfm> sipa ya, it would be at the poll server that it would be lazy
290 2010-12-26 12:02:06 <sipa> yes
291 2010-12-26 12:02:27 <lfm> sipa, like I say, I dont really know if it is happening at all, just a wild suspicion
292 2010-12-26 12:02:35 <sipa> you'd have to ask slush
293 2010-12-26 12:03:39 <lfm> and so fees would be a way to motivate them to be more diligent about adding in new transactions
294 2010-12-26 12:04:41 <sipa> let's see
295 2010-12-26 12:05:32 <lfm> sipa you gonna offer a fee to see if it gets thru faster than TD's 2 btc?
296 2010-12-26 12:06:01 <devon_hillard> What is better currently for bitcoin: CUDA or OpenCL?
297 2010-12-26 12:06:48 <lfm> opencl because cuda is only good for nvidia and ati is much better for bitcoin mining
298 2010-12-26 12:07:55 <devon_hillard> Is it due to the better openCL API or the more powerful ATI cards?
299 2010-12-26 12:08:15 <lfm> devon_hillard: if you're stuck with an nvidia card, well it probably doesnt reall matter much if you use cuda or opencl, it might be a little better with cuda, im not sure
300 2010-12-26 12:08:50 <devon_hillard> lfm, I have an ATI card, but apparently there is a large community of researchers working with CUDA
301 2010-12-26 12:09:03 <devon_hillard> so I was wondering if it's an API thing
302 2010-12-26 12:09:08 <lfm> devon_hillard: ATI works better for bitcoin cuz bitcoin mining is purely integer operations, nvidia is maybe better for floating point
303 2010-12-26 12:09:12 <TD> it missed another two blocks
304 2010-12-26 12:09:14 <TD> hrmmm
305 2010-12-26 12:09:47 <lfm> devon_hillard: well you can't use cuda at all on your ATI card
306 2010-12-26 12:10:12 <devon_hillard> lfm: yes, I was wondering if the NVidia hardware was more powerful, though
307 2010-12-26 12:10:24 <devon_hillard> since they have been working on CUDA for longer
308 2010-12-26 12:10:38 <lfm> devon_hillard: I think ATI is currently higher power in general
309 2010-12-26 12:10:40 <devon_hillard> and GPU-computing clusters coming out now are CUDA exclusive
310 2010-12-26 12:10:49 <sipa> lfm: no i am going to check how long it takes before the work i get from the pool includes the recently found block
311 2010-12-26 12:10:56 <wumpus> ati is much faster for integer arithmetic
312 2010-12-26 12:11:03 <sipa> and i believe currently there are no clients which bother about transaction fees at all
313 2010-12-26 12:11:03 <wumpus> which is what is used for cracking / bitcoin
314 2010-12-26 12:11:10 <lfm> devon_hillard: I suspect more opencl work will be comming aalong soon
315 2010-12-26 12:11:24 <wumpus> much faster as in can be like four times faster for the same price of hw
316 2010-12-26 12:12:20 <lfm> devon_hillard: remember for the super-computer systems, they may takes years to plan and organize
317 2010-12-26 12:13:35 <lfm> TD if the net somehow lost your txn, it will be re-transmitted every half hour or so till it gets thru
318 2010-12-26 12:15:17 <lfm> sipa ya, I spoze if fees helped there would be a lot more of them showing up
319 2010-12-26 12:15:59 <devon_hillard> Can you exploit FPUs for hash breaking in any way?
320 2010-12-26 12:16:06 <devon_hillard> perhaps probabilistic algorithms
321 2010-12-26 12:16:19 <sipa> not efficiently, i think
322 2010-12-26 12:16:52 <lfm> devon_hillard: well thats sort like the way bitcoin works normally. doing millions of hashes looking for special ones with lots of zeros at one end
323 2010-12-26 12:17:50 <TD> lfm: every half hour?
324 2010-12-26 12:17:51 <TD> hmm
325 2010-12-26 12:17:53 <TD> that kind of sucks
326 2010-12-26 12:18:03 <TD> it'd be good if it was lower
327 2010-12-26 12:18:13 <TD> i guess that is what happened
328 2010-12-26 12:18:13 <wumpus> fp hardware is much more complex than integer hardware, it will not be efficient to wrap another integer layer above fp
329 2010-12-26 12:18:25 <lfm> td something like that ya, btw what block number are you on? I have 99506 here
330 2010-12-26 12:18:53 <TD> 99506. i am keeping up just fine
331 2010-12-26 12:18:58 <lfm> ok
332 2010-12-26 12:19:31 <TD> i'll have to wait for a retransmit
333 2010-12-26 12:19:47 <TD> i'd assumed that the client would resend transactions when restarted, but it seems not
334 2010-12-26 12:20:07 <BoBeR> its probolly out there
335 2010-12-26 12:20:23 <ArtForz> for FP GPGPU work ATI 5xxx/6xxx also wipes the floor with fermi
336 2010-12-26 12:21:02 <ArtForz> only area where nvidia performs decently is if you have significant noncoherent branching
337 2010-12-26 12:21:34 <lfm> ArtForz: ya probably just beurocratic lag time that they are still building cuda big systems
338 2010-12-26 12:21:57 <ArtForz> ATI arch is essentially 20-30 very wide SIMD processors
339 2010-12-26 12:22:51 <lfm> td in my debig.log it says it has txn dfcb936ac2fe910015bf you think thats yours?
340 2010-12-26 12:22:54 <ArtForz> while NVIDIA has 400-512 single-ALU cores
341 2010-12-26 12:23:15 <TD> i don't know how to see tx hashes of unconfirmed transactions
342 2010-12-26 12:23:21 <TD> i guess i could dump my wallet
343 2010-12-26 12:23:25 <lfm> td it is showing some other txn numbers now too
344 2010-12-26 12:23:37 <TD> my tx is 2 coins to 1LWgEH6SBFXUr1zYs7QSra9rpL8ktv9mP9
345 2010-12-26 12:23:43 <ArtForz> run gui with -debug and double click the TX ?
346 2010-12-26 12:24:12 <TD> ArtForz: thanks
347 2010-12-26 12:24:15 <TD> ArtForz: that's useful to know
348 2010-12-26 12:24:19 <lfm> my systems sez there are 7 txn in block now
349 2010-12-26 12:24:33 <TD> 1LWgEH6SBFXUr1zYs7QSra9rpL8ktv9mP9
350 2010-12-26 12:24:36 <TD> oops
351 2010-12-26 12:24:39 <TD> hmm
352 2010-12-26 12:24:47 <TD> nice. can select the text but not copy/paste it
353 2010-12-26 12:24:55 <TD> my tx hash is 088804e127....
354 2010-12-26 12:26:10 <ArtForz> I think that 1 doesnt belong there
355 2010-12-26 12:26:23 <TD> oops
356 2010-12-26 12:26:24 <TD> right
357 2010-12-26 12:26:27 <TD> that's a typo
358 2010-12-26 12:26:29 <ArtForz> AcceptToMemoryPool(): accepted 088804e279
359 2010-12-26 12:26:33 <TD> it's 088804e279
360 2010-12-26 12:26:36 <TD> ah, great
361 2010-12-26 12:26:39 <TD> just have to wait then
362 2010-12-26 12:26:54 <ArtForz> yeah, blocks have been kinda slow over the last hours
363 2010-12-26 12:27:07 <BoBeR> seems like xmas ppl turn off there pcs
364 2010-12-26 12:27:08 <lfm> TD yup, my system has it
365 2010-12-26 12:27:29 <BoBeR> i has it too
366 2010-12-26 12:27:31 <ArtForz> or it's just a run of slow blocks
367 2010-12-26 12:27:45 <BoBeR> 40 mins for one
368 2010-12-26 12:27:47 <BoBeR> unlikly
369 2010-12-26 12:28:27 <ArtForz> we already had blocks > 2h while averaging 10+ blocks/h
370 2010-12-26 12:29:25 <lfm> TD looks like I only received that txn after I received block 99505
371 2010-12-26 12:29:38 <TD> guess it was indeed a retransmit. the wifi here sucks :)
372 2010-12-26 12:29:39 <ArtForz> block finding = poisson distribution
373 2010-12-26 12:30:02 <lfm> TD ah! ya wifi sucks in lots of places
374 2010-12-26 12:30:04 <nathan7> I'm so a poisson distribution!
375 2010-12-26 12:31:14 <BoBeR> go away xkcd
376 2010-12-26 12:31:48 <nathan7> =p
377 2010-12-26 12:33:28 <TD> there we go
378 2010-12-26 12:33:31 <TD> now it shows 1/unconfirmed
379 2010-12-26 12:33:55 <lfm> ya it musta just got into 99507
380 2010-12-26 12:35:38 <ArtForz> yep
381 2010-12-26 12:35:39 <BoBeR> WIN
382 2010-12-26 12:35:44 <BoBeR> now we can all sleep
383 2010-12-26 12:35:46 <ArtForz> 3rd tx in 99507
384 2010-12-26 12:35:47 <BoBeR> its 8 35 am
385 2010-12-26 12:35:50 <BoBeR> i need some nap time
386 2010-12-26 12:36:03 <lfm> gnite BoBeR
387 2010-12-26 12:37:42 <lfm> like a watched pot, when you're watching for a txn it takes 25 minutes for the next block!
388 2010-12-26 12:39:17 <TD> heh
389 2010-12-26 12:39:35 <lfm> just a random reflection
390 2010-12-26 12:41:46 <sipa> use a time-unit of one second, 110Ghash/s, and difficulty 14484; that means a poisson distribution with lambda=.00176823
391 2010-12-26 12:42:40 <lfm> can you get a standard deviation?
392 2010-12-26 12:42:58 <sipa> that means 1.4% chance for a block that lasts longer than 40 minutes
393 2010-12-26 12:43:46 <lfm> so it should also be 1.4% chance of 2.5 minutes
394 2010-12-26 12:43:58 <sipa> ?
395 2010-12-26 12:44:09 <lfm> no?
396 2010-12-26 12:44:36 <sipa> 23% chance for a block that lasts less than 2.5 minutes
397 2010-12-26 12:44:41 <sipa> it's very assymetric
398 2010-12-26 12:45:08 <lfm> oh ok, satistics are not a strength of mine
399 2010-12-26 12:45:20 <sipa> standard deviation is 9.42 minutes
400 2010-12-26 12:45:31 <sipa> exactly the same as the average :)
401 2010-12-26 12:46:42 <lfm> spozed to be 10 mins but of course it wont be exact in reality
402 2010-12-26 12:47:13 <sipa> the computation speed has increased since the last retarget
403 2010-12-26 12:47:30 <ArtForz> yep
404 2010-12-26 12:47:30 <lfm> and due to ithe total hashes growning not steady
405 2010-12-26 12:48:05 <BoBeR> and now im going to add another 1200 to the world
406 2010-12-26 12:48:13 <sipa> 1200 what?
407 2010-12-26 12:48:19 <TD> nice
408 2010-12-26 12:48:20 <BoBeR> Mhash
409 2010-12-26 12:48:25 <sipa> wow
410 2010-12-26 12:48:29 <BoBeR> K
411 2010-12-26 12:48:32 <BoBeR> thats a typo
412 2010-12-26 12:48:37 <sipa> oh, boo!
413 2010-12-26 12:48:39 <sipa> ;)
414 2010-12-26 12:48:48 <BoBeR> yes i have a personal 1.2Ghash at home
415 2010-12-26 12:48:48 <sipa> it's k, not K, by the way :)
416 2010-12-26 12:48:54 <BoBeR> i rival iwth ArtForz
417 2010-12-26 12:48:58 <BoBeR> its FUCK YOU
418 2010-12-26 12:49:01 <BoBeR> im tired
419 2010-12-26 12:49:01 <sipa> k!
420 2010-12-26 12:49:02 <BoBeR> no sleep
421 2010-12-26 12:49:07 <BoBeR> goaway
422 2010-12-26 12:49:07 <sipa> go to bed :)
423 2010-12-26 12:49:09 <BoBeR> no
424 2010-12-26 12:49:11 <BoBeR> its 9 am
425 2010-12-26 12:49:11 <lfm> oh 1200 khash not so impressive im afraid! grin
426 2010-12-26 12:49:13 <BoBeR> amost
427 2010-12-26 12:49:32 <BoBeR> fine i wont generate
428 2010-12-26 12:50:02 <ArtForz> wow, only about 16x that and you're getting close to my gpu cluster
429 2010-12-26 12:50:41 <sipa> 19Mhash/s ?
430 2010-12-26 12:51:02 <ArtForz> ~20Ghash
431 2010-12-26 12:52:41 <sipa> that's not too impressive either, compared to the speeds of recent gpu's :)
432 2010-12-26 12:53:02 <ArtForz> well, it is kinda impressive for only 24 5970s
433 2010-12-26 12:53:27 <sipa> oh
434 2010-12-26 12:53:38 <sipa> it's *16000 then, not *16 :D
435 2010-12-26 12:53:44 <ArtForz> yep
436 2010-12-26 12:54:02 <sipa> that is impressive :D
437 2010-12-26 12:54:18 <ArtForz> and about as far as I can push it
438 2010-12-26 12:54:24 <sipa> you're able to sell those?
439 2010-12-26 12:54:40 <ArtForz> yup
440 2010-12-26 12:54:55 <sipa> nice
441 2010-12-26 12:55:32 <ArtForz> normally I'm running ~18Gh/s, as I have to push core voltage and power up quite a bit to get those last 10%
442 2010-12-26 12:55:33 <lfm> another hour and the boxing day sale opens, im gonna go get another gpu
443 2010-12-26 12:56:11 <sipa> you expect mining to remain profitable in the foreseeable future?
444 2010-12-26 12:56:17 <ArtForz> yep
445 2010-12-26 12:56:30 <lfm> well depends what you mean by foreseeable
446 2010-12-26 12:57:05 <sipa> total computation speed could be *10 in a few months
447 2010-12-26 12:57:15 <ArtForz> yep
448 2010-12-26 12:57:29 <lfm> a couple months should be fine, a year might be kinda sketchy
449 2010-12-26 12:58:00 <ArtForz> should be fine as long as we dont get a few 100k+ node botnets
450 2010-12-26 12:58:50 <lfm> sipa remember the exchange rate of BTC to whatever factors into profitabiltiy too. the price just went up another notch that last couple days
451 2010-12-26 12:59:17 <sipa> i should reimplement my network speed estimator in C... the perl implementation takes 10 minutes to process the whole block chain :(
452 2010-12-26 12:59:39 <ArtForz> sipa: why are you reprocessing the whole block chain over and over?
453 2010-12-26 12:59:58 <sipa> ArtForz: no, i just have a list of (time,difficulty) pairs, and process those
454 2010-12-26 13:00:36 <sipa> but i restart everytime yes, i could make it incremental as well
455 2010-12-26 13:00:55 <TD> the botnet factor still worries me
456 2010-12-26 13:00:58 <TD> i know the game theory aspect of it
457 2010-12-26 13:01:05 <TD> they should find it more beneficial to mine than defraud
458 2010-12-26 13:01:07 <TD> but .....
459 2010-12-26 13:01:13 <lfm> sipa ya even in C it takes a while to rescan the whole block list
460 2010-12-26 13:01:22 <sipa> it's just 90000 numbers
461 2010-12-26 13:02:01 <ArtForz> yeah, in python I save the important stuff and continue where I left off
462 2010-12-26 13:02:30 <ArtForz> as a full rescan in python takes ~10 sec
463 2010-12-26 13:14:29 <zygf_> TD: there's no shortage of people that like to break things for fun or just to spite people, on the internet in particular
464 2010-12-26 13:18:39 <sipa> botnet operators are typically strongly influenced by profit :)
465 2010-12-26 13:20:21 <zygf> and botnets are used for DDoS attacks, doesn't matter whether it's the botnet operator or client that orders them
466 2010-12-26 13:22:00 <sipa> true
467 2010-12-26 13:31:10 <ThomasV> my bitcoin client seems to be generating a new address everytime I receive coins ; why ?
468 2010-12-26 13:32:40 <TD> it generates new addresses every so often anyway
469 2010-12-26 13:32:47 <TD> the idea is to enhance your privacy
470 2010-12-26 13:32:56 <TD> you don't have to use the new addresses if you don't want to
471 2010-12-26 13:33:10 <ThomasV> yes but I can't delete it
472 2010-12-26 13:33:25 <ThomasV> will the list keep growing indefinitely ?
473 2010-12-26 13:33:59 <TD> i think so. i wouldn't worry about it too much. your specific address doesn't matter that much in bitcoin
474 2010-12-26 13:34:47 <ThomasV> how many addresses do you have in your wallet ?
475 2010-12-26 13:35:37 <TD> me personally? not that many. i haven't been using bitcoin for very long
476 2010-12-26 13:36:16 <ThomasV> are you saying that it removes some of them if you don't use it ?
477 2010-12-26 13:36:46 <TD> i don't think it removes addresses from your address book currently. i guess it could remove ones that were never used to receive coins
478 2010-12-26 13:36:52 <TD> does it bother you?
479 2010-12-26 13:37:00 <ThomasV> yes it does
480 2010-12-26 13:37:34 <TD> the reason it generates new addresses is that all transactions in bitcoin are public
481 2010-12-26 13:37:46 <TD> however addresses are just big effectively random numbers
482 2010-12-26 13:38:05 <TD> so ensuring addresses churn regularly is one way to make it harder to trace peoples economic activity
483 2010-12-26 13:38:29 <TD> you could write a patch and send it to satoshi to improve address book management i guess
484 2010-12-26 13:38:35 <ThomasV> I thought that was the reason why it generates new keys ; but here these are adresses that are visible in the client
485 2010-12-26 13:38:57 <TD> addresses are tied to your keys
486 2010-12-26 13:39:02 <ThomasV> well I am already trying to patch it so that it stops generating keys
487 2010-12-26 13:39:04 <TD> addresses are hashes of public keys
488 2010-12-26 13:39:40 <ThomasV> yes, but you have less adresses than keys afaict
489 2010-12-26 13:39:51 <ThomasV> I already knew about keys generation
490 2010-12-26 13:39:58 <TD> there is a pool of keys that have been generated but are not yet visible in the ui
491 2010-12-26 13:39:59 <sipa> some keys are marked unused but pre-generated
492 2010-12-26 13:40:41 <TD> this is to make backups useful
493 2010-12-26 13:41:21 <ThomasV> hmm, you men backups of wallet.dat ?
494 2010-12-26 13:41:26 <TD> yeah
495 2010-12-26 13:41:29 <ThomasV> *mean*
496 2010-12-26 13:42:05 <ThomasV> you need to backup after each transcaction anyway, since it keeps generating keys
497 2010-12-26 13:42:29 <sipa> no
498 2010-12-26 13:42:36 <ThomasV> no ?
499 2010-12-26 13:42:37 <sipa> no need a backup every 100 transactions
500 2010-12-26 13:42:40 <TD> the keys that appear in the ui are taken from this pool
501 2010-12-26 13:42:43 <TD> that's why it exists
502 2010-12-26 13:42:49 <sipa> since the wallet already contains keys that will be used in the future
503 2010-12-26 13:43:05 <sipa> s/no/you/
504 2010-12-26 13:43:05 <ThomasV> hmm I was told the opposite
505 2010-12-26 13:43:18 <ThomasV> oh ok
506 2010-12-26 13:43:21 <ThomasV> :-)
507 2010-12-26 13:43:57 <ThomasV> does it warn you when you need to refresh your backup ?
508 2010-12-26 13:44:06 <wumpus> it cannot automatically remove addresses, because the client doesn't know whether someone will send coins to them in the future
509 2010-12-26 13:44:25 <wumpus> and if you delete an address the coins going to it will disappear forever
510 2010-12-26 13:45:04 <TD> i think he meant delete from the UI
511 2010-12-26 13:45:10 <TD> not actually from the wallet itself
512 2010-12-26 13:45:13 <wumpus> that's be possible, delete as in 'hide'
513 2010-12-26 13:45:24 <TD> this seems like wanting to keep the address book "clean" :-)
514 2010-12-26 13:45:27 <ThomasV> well, I meant both
515 2010-12-26 13:46:06 <wumpus> hiding them is a pretty good idea
516 2010-12-26 13:46:23 <wumpus> the user interface could be much more friendly
517 2010-12-26 13:46:41 <ThomasV> above all, I would like to be able to make a permanent backup of my wallet, by using a limited number of keys ; that would be at the expenses of privacy
518 2010-12-26 13:46:53 <wumpus> then again, as there are hardly any 'users' developer friendly is that's aimed at right now
519 2010-12-26 13:47:18 <TD> yes, well that makes more sense ..... not having to back up all the time.
520 2010-12-26 13:47:25 <wumpus> yes, splitting the wallet functionality
521 2010-12-26 13:47:41 <TD> you can just pick one of the addresses and say, that's my permanent address now
522 2010-12-26 13:47:55 <TD> though i suspect the client doesn't handle old wallet backups well
523 2010-12-26 13:47:59 <wumpus> theoretically you could move addresses (with the coins associated with them) to a backup and remove them
524 2010-12-26 13:48:12 <TD> as the wallet stores more than just your keys .... also transactions. it'd have to regenerate them from the block chain, not sure if it does that today
525 2010-12-26 13:49:09 <ThomasV> what do you mean, it stores transaction ?
526 2010-12-26 13:49:36 <wumpus> but with bitcoin it's probably better to get used to now having a 'permanent address', it's different than normal banking in many ways
527 2010-12-26 13:49:45 <wumpus> now=not
528 2010-12-26 13:50:05 <TD> ThomasV: so it knows what coins you own. that data can be rebuilt from the block chain but for efficiency i think it's cached in your wallet
529 2010-12-26 13:50:35 <ThomasV> wumpus : I do have a ssh private key that is permanent ; and that is safe
530 2010-12-26 13:50:37 <wumpus> yep, the autorative source is always the block chain, but things are cached for performance
531 2010-12-26 13:51:03 <wumpus> ThomasV: ssh is different, it is encrypted and only two parties have to communicate
532 2010-12-26 13:51:29 <wumpus> ThomasV: with bitcoin everything is public as everyone needs to be able to verify your transactions, so the keys are 'in the open'
533 2010-12-26 13:52:33 <wumpus> ThomasV: then again, you can always use the same address... no one will stop you
534 2010-12-26 13:53:56 <ThomasV> if I could use a limited set of keys, then it would be possible to print them out, and to put them in a safe. right now I cannot do that because the list will eventually be deprecated
535 2010-12-26 13:54:27 <ThomasV> and I do not feel comfortable with all my money relying on computer backups
536 2010-12-26 13:54:31 <TD> you can use a limited set of keys
537 2010-12-26 13:54:41 <TD> just pick an address and make it your own. you don't have to use the address book then
538 2010-12-26 13:54:44 <wumpus> yes, sites do that already, they keep one address per 'client' where they can send coins, to distinguish them
539 2010-12-26 13:55:00 <sipa> you could print a base64 version of wallet.dat
540 2010-12-26 13:55:07 <sipa> but i understand your concern
541 2010-12-26 13:55:32 <sipa> it would be nice to be able to see and manager the keys themselves in human-readable form
542 2010-12-26 13:55:32 <wumpus> yeah I think satoshi is working on recycling old keys for that purpose
543 2010-12-26 13:55:51 <ThomasV> sipa, yes that too
544 2010-12-26 13:55:53 <wumpus> just generate a huge number of keys and re-use those for ever
545 2010-12-26 13:56:36 <ThomasV> is satoshi still active on the project ?
546 2010-12-26 13:56:47 <wumpus> yes
547 2010-12-26 13:58:29 <ThomasV> does he use this channel ?
548 2010-12-26 13:58:39 <wumpus> afaik he doesn't use irc
549 2010-12-26 13:58:48 <wumpus> he does post on the forums sometimes
550 2010-12-26 14:19:51 <nanotube> nathan7: gribble will autoop you when you join, if you are logged in and have your usual hostmask.
551 2010-12-26 14:24:55 <BoBeR> "rm -f /" is the best script
552 2010-12-26 14:28:32 <nathan7> nanotube: mhm
553 2010-12-26 14:28:43 <nathan7> whoo, awesome
554 2010-12-26 14:29:41 <nathan7> BoBeR: rm: cannot remove `/': Is a directory
555 2010-12-26 14:29:50 <DjeZAeL> hi
556 2010-12-26 14:30:26 <DjeZAeL> i found an important error in the readme.txt file enclosed in the tar.gz archive
557 2010-12-26 14:31:04 <DjeZAeL> it says to "run bitcoin.exe"
558 2010-12-26 14:31:19 <nathan7> ..but?
559 2010-12-26 14:31:28 <DjeZAeL> but there is no file bitcoin.exe because it's an archive designed for linux
560 2010-12-26 14:31:49 <nathan7> Yes, but it seems a tad obvious to me that you should just run that in that case
561 2010-12-26 14:32:16 <nathan7> But then again, the stupidity of the average linux user is rising thanks to Ubuntu and all
562 2010-12-26 14:32:23 <DjeZAeL> but that sentence should be remplaced by another one, for linux
563 2010-12-26 14:32:38 <DjeZAeL> nathan7: thanks for the stupid linux user that i am u_u"
564 2010-12-26 14:32:50 <DjeZAeL> very pleasant to read this shit !
565 2010-12-26 14:32:54 <nathan7> ...
566 2010-12-26 14:33:08 <nathan7> I'm using Ubuntu.
567 2010-12-26 14:33:41 <DjeZAeL> and ?
568 2010-12-26 14:33:52 <DjeZAeL> the readme file is not ok
569 2010-12-26 14:34:12 <DjeZAeL> i came here to help and i found no help...
570 2010-12-26 14:34:33 <nathan7> I'm not a developer, and I keep forgetting who is..
571 2010-12-26 14:34:55 <wumpus> make a patch to the readme file, submit it to the forums :)
572 2010-12-26 14:35:27 <DjeZAeL> wumpus: making a patch ? i'm not developper...
573 2010-12-26 14:36:18 <wumpus> you don't need to be a developer to change documentation
574 2010-12-26 14:36:34 <DjeZAeL> to make a patch too ?
575 2010-12-26 14:36:44 <DjeZAeL> i don't know how to make a patch
576 2010-12-26 14:37:01 <DjeZAeL> and it seems useless to make a patch just for changing ONE sentence :/
577 2010-12-26 14:37:13 <wumpus> it's a good thing to learn though
578 2010-12-26 14:37:44 <DjeZAeL> so now you're aware of the problem, maybe you could make the patch wumpus ?
579 2010-12-26 14:57:25 <wumpus> DjeZAeL: mm for 10 bitcoins?
580 2010-12-26 15:16:57 <DjeZAeL> i have no bitcoin for the moment
581 2010-12-26 15:17:05 <DjeZAeL> i started to generate today !
582 2010-12-26 15:17:27 <Kiba> DjeZAeL: pool mining?
583 2010-12-26 15:17:50 <DjeZAeL> pool mining ?
584 2010-12-26 15:18:02 <DjeZAeL> sorry but i'm french and new to bitcoin
585 2010-12-26 15:18:16 <DjeZAeL> so i unederstand only few things :/
586 2010-12-26 15:18:29 <Kiba> http://mining.bitcoin.cz/
587 2010-12-26 15:19:03 <sipa> i've already made 16 bitcoin through that pool