1 2011-01-11 00:12:47 <da2ce7> ;;bc,mtgox
  2 2011-01-11 00:12:47 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.329,"low":0.3175,"vol":10356,"buy":0.325,"sell":0.329,"last":0.3266}}
  3 2011-01-11 00:29:56 <da2ce7> is the mtgox down?
  4 2011-01-11 00:30:01 <da2ce7> er...
  5 2011-01-11 00:30:03 <da2ce7> cert
  6 2011-01-11 00:30:11 <da2ce7> https is asking me for verfication
  7 2011-01-11 00:37:49 <luke-jr> does anyone know where the current qbitcoin code is?
  8 2011-01-11 00:39:09 <tcatm> afaik there's been no release yet
  9 2011-01-11 00:39:16 <luke-jr> not even git?
 10 2011-01-11 00:39:55 <tcatm> not that I know
 11 2011-01-11 01:01:30 <molec> ;;bc,blocks
 12 2011-01-11 01:01:31 <gribble> 102035
 13 2011-01-11 01:36:35 <luke-jr> if I'm reading https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Script right, what stops me from creating tx from other accounts that simply omit sig checking?
 14 2011-01-11 01:43:06 <tcatm> luke-jr: try it on testnet
 15 2011-01-11 01:43:19 <luke-jr> why testnet? :p
 16 2011-01-11 01:43:36 <tcatm> that's what testnet is for
 17 2011-01-11 01:44:04 <luke-jr> if it works, is it legit? :p
 18 2011-01-11 01:44:21 <luke-jr> or are there implied rules besides "what works"?
 19 2011-01-11 01:44:55 <tcatm> I don't know much about script. No idea what happens.
 20 2011-01-11 01:45:10 <luke-jr> I can't imagine it would work, I just want to know why not
 21 2011-01-11 01:45:14 <luke-jr> what's missing from the specs
 22 2011-01-11 01:46:31 <tcatm> You're talking about the OP_CHECKSIG in txout, right?
 23 2011-01-11 02:04:47 <spacemagic> whats the command for calculating how long it takes you to generate a block?
 24 2011-01-11 02:07:39 <da2ce7> it is ;;bc,calc 500000
 25 2011-01-11 02:07:55 <da2ce7> ;;bc,calc 1000000
 26 2011-01-11 02:07:56 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 16307.48285682 , is 19 hours, 27 minutes, and 20 seconds
 27 2011-01-11 02:10:59 <spacemagic> thanks!
 28 2011-01-11 02:11:18 <spacemagic> ;;bc,calc 5000
 29 2011-01-11 02:11:19 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 5000 Khps, given current difficulty of 16307.48285682 , is 23 weeks, 1 day, 3 hours, 7 minutes, and 1 second
 30 2011-01-11 02:11:28 <spacemagic> Ha!
 31 2011-01-11 02:16:44 <nanotube> spacemagic: might consider joining the ,,pool
 32 2011-01-11 02:16:45 <gribble> No fancy GPU farm, and don't want to wait for months for a block gen? Join the mining pool! http://mining.bitcoin.cz/
 33 2011-01-11 02:17:04 <nanotube> spacemagic: or saving money on electricity, and using the savings to buy btc. which would probably net you more btc :)
 34 2011-01-11 02:17:14 <nanotube> unless you have pretty cheap elec
 35 2011-01-11 02:38:08 <brocktice> potatoes?
 36 2011-01-11 02:41:00 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 1000000000
 37 2011-01-11 02:41:02 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1000000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 16307.48285682 , is 1 minute and 10 seconds
 38 2011-01-11 02:41:10 <brocktice> heh
 39 2011-01-11 02:41:11 <luke-jr> mmm I need a CPU that can do that
 40 2011-01-11 02:41:25 <brocktice> that'll be the AMD Radeon HD 9000+
 41 2011-01-11 02:41:28 <brocktice> (it's over 9000)
 42 2011-01-11 02:41:49 <luke-jr> CPU, not GPU
 43 2011-01-11 02:41:58 <brocktice> meh
 44 2011-01-11 02:42:05 <brocktice> AMD Fusion 9000+
 45 2011-01-11 02:45:49 <da2ce7> or just a AMD cpu with a 2xSHA256/clock dedicated logic... it would only be 3M transitors.  (what are they now? 975Million or something)
 46 2011-01-11 02:49:04 <luke-jr> why AMD only? XD
 47 2011-01-11 02:49:23 <luke-jr> are proof-of-works only SHA256s?
 48 2011-01-11 02:52:10 <kartofeln> I think so.. sha256(sha256(old junk + nounce)) < somevalue. that's the whole proof of work I believe.
 49 2011-01-11 02:55:28 <luke-jr> O.o
 50 2011-01-11 03:00:24 <tcatm> anyone know how the account code handles non-ascii characters?
 51 2011-01-11 03:05:46 <luke-jr> tcatm: what account code?
 52 2011-01-11 03:05:54 <luke-jr> you mean the client-side "account" label?
 53 2011-01-11 03:06:01 <luke-jr> (which never sees the network)
 54 2011-01-11 03:06:24 <luke-jr> if so, that stuff is broken at least for RPC
 55 2011-01-11 03:07:39 <tcatm> luke-jr: that stuff is still beta, that's different from broken
 56 2011-01-11 03:10:42 <alowm> amd's ceo just resigned
 57 2011-01-11 03:26:35 <luke-jr> alowm: why?
 58 2011-01-11 03:26:53 <luke-jr> tcatm: no, beta is merely "might be broken; find out"
 59 2011-01-11 03:27:03 <luke-jr> tcatm: in this case, it IS broken
 60 2011-01-11 03:29:50 <dirtyfilthy> when the base58 hash is made of a bitcoin public key, what exactly is being hashed? the key in DER format, or the key in whatever krazy internal format openssl uses?
 61 2011-01-11 03:42:07 <beetlejooce> ;;bc,calc 1
 62 2011-01-11 03:42:08 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1 Khps, given current difficulty of 16307.48285682 , is 2220 years, 49 weeks, 6 days, 8 hours, 52 minutes, and 30 seconds
 63 2011-01-11 03:42:25 <beetlejooce> :}D
 64 2011-01-11 03:43:02 <mrb_> look at this
 65 2011-01-11 03:43:05 <gribble> Error: float division
 66 2011-01-11 03:43:05 <mrb_> ;;bc,calc 0
 67 2011-01-11 03:43:39 <beetlejooce> ;;bc,calc .1
 68 2011-01-11 03:43:40 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at .1 Khps, given current difficulty of 16307.48285682 , is 22209 years, 29 weeks, 5 days, 16 hours, 45 minutes, and 9 seconds
 69 2011-01-11 03:50:59 <beeplejoot> hmm
 70 2011-01-11 04:19:41 <lfm> ;;bc,calc 300000
 71 2011-01-11 04:19:42 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 300000 Khps, given current difficulty of 16307.48285682 , is 2 days, 16 hours, 51 minutes, and 7 seconds
 72 2011-01-11 05:53:26 <xelister> "AMD CEO - Dirk Meyer - resigns"
 73 2011-01-11 05:53:37 <xelister> I guess I'm not the only one using Ati binary drivers, huh?!
 74 2011-01-11 05:57:48 <lfm> that must be it
 75 2011-01-11 05:58:03 <xelister> definatelly
 76 2011-01-11 05:58:23 <xelister> he was like... no, I'm not making THAT shit needed to use  our new cpu+gpu
 77 2011-01-11 06:10:47 <lfm> xelister I know, I know. I can apply the outstanding security patches to ubuntu cuz the ati driver quits working
 78 2011-01-11 06:10:54 <lfm> cant
 79 2011-01-11 06:34:07 <nathan7> lfm: D:
 80 2011-01-11 06:45:06 <sipa> ;;bc,mtgox
 81 2011-01-11 06:45:07 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.329,"low":0.3266,"vol":2453,"buy":0.325,"sell":0.329,"last":0.3266}}
 82 2011-01-11 08:32:12 <davout> hey
 83 2011-01-11 10:36:15 <molec> does that sound right?
 84 2011-01-11 11:36:24 <sipa> ;;bc,mtgox
 85 2011-01-11 11:36:25 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.329,"low":0.3266,"vol":2836,"buy":0.325,"sell":0.329,"last":0.3266}}
 86 2011-01-11 11:40:57 <xelister> slow day today on irc?
 87 2011-01-11 12:09:38 <slush> ;;bc,mtgox
 88 2011-01-11 12:09:39 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.329,"low":0.3266,"vol":2836,"buy":0.325,"sell":0.329,"last":0.3266}}
 89 2011-01-11 12:10:49 <Ivy> hi
 90 2011-01-11 12:11:09 <Ivy> i posted a bitcoin image onmy FB
 91 2011-01-11 12:11:20 <Ivy> and a friend is telling me it's illegal
 92 2011-01-11 12:11:31 <Ivy> I answered with "what's illegal"
 93 2011-01-11 12:11:46 <Ivy> He goes... "it's not a legal tender... they'll come and get you"
 94 2011-01-11 12:12:47 <Ivy> Question : can you send a link or any legal backing that I can forward? People will be reading that dialog.. and I want to show something legit... even though I'm in search of it my self... HELP
 95 2011-01-11 12:13:52 <davout> Ivy: he's wrong, also burden of proof is on him
 96 2011-01-11 12:14:32 <Ivy> well I'm about to tell him one can buy it sell it on the market (where's the link for that) or just convert it into dollars
 97 2011-01-11 12:14:47 <davout> the link for what ?
 98 2011-01-11 12:14:50 <davout> an exchange place ?
 99 2011-01-11 12:14:54 <Ivy> but I'm still looking for a back up links/sites / and legal info that talks about private money ...
100 2011-01-11 12:15:26 <Ivy> Well yeah... I know the value of a Bitcoin was 6cents and then went to 50c and then back to 6c
101 2011-01-11 12:15:49 <Ivy> but I don't know yet where exactly you can buy it or sell it...
102 2011-01-11 12:16:17 <davout> http://mises.org/Community/forums/t/4682.aspx
103 2011-01-11 12:16:21 <davout> US or Europe ?
104 2011-01-11 12:16:34 <davout> if you're in the US go for mtgox.com
105 2011-01-11 12:16:40 <davout> else go to ibtcoin-central.net
106 2011-01-11 12:16:44 <davout> bitcoin-central.net*
107 2011-01-11 12:16:57 <Ivy> oh right...
108 2011-01-11 12:16:59 <Ivy> tnx
109 2011-01-11 12:17:01 <Ivy> btw
110 2011-01-11 12:17:27 <Ivy> would it be correct to say that this is international currency .... or is electronic currency better?
111 2011-01-11 12:17:40 <arcatan> you friend is probably right in the sense that bitcoin is not a legal tender the same way as foreign currencies aren't
112 2011-01-11 12:17:59 <davout> yep
113 2011-01-11 12:18:02 <Ivy> yeah ... so what do I call the bitcoin- commodity ?
114 2011-01-11 12:18:07 <davout> not being legal tender does not mean illegal
115 2011-01-11 12:18:13 <Ivy> It's not really a commodity - it is virtual...
116 2011-01-11 12:18:15 <davout> you can call it a currency
117 2011-01-11 12:18:36 <davout> computing power can be a commodity, it can be used to perform tasks
118 2011-01-11 12:18:52 <davout> the fact that its virtual is irrelevant
119 2011-01-11 12:19:19 <Ivy> ok so what do I say to his 'scare off concern'
120 2011-01-11 12:19:20 <Ivy> ?
121 2011-01-11 12:19:40 <davout> "don't be scared baby"
122 2011-01-11 12:19:48 <Ivy> heheheh
123 2011-01-11 12:19:50 <davout> there isn't anything to be scared about
124 2011-01-11 12:20:12 <davout> it's not illegal, so he should chill down or you should review your friends list :)
125 2011-01-11 12:20:20 <Ivy> well I don't want to defend my self...only... I want him to read more but not sure what to post first...
126 2011-01-11 12:20:33 <davout> just send him that link
127 2011-01-11 12:20:41 <Ivy> If I thought it was illegal I wouldn't be braggin abou it on my fb
128 2011-01-11 12:21:57 <davout> that would be making the assumption that are intelligent
129 2011-01-11 12:22:06 <davout> which you probably are
130 2011-01-11 12:22:21 <davout> but that kind of argument isn't very convincing
131 2011-01-11 12:22:26 <davout> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_currency
132 2011-01-11 12:41:02 <Diablo-D3> ArtForzZz: you here?
133 2011-01-11 12:48:21 <ArtForzZz> ya, y?
134 2011-01-11 12:48:24 <Ivy> hey yes.. sorry was to busy
135 2011-01-11 12:48:30 <Ivy> ok here's what I wrote...
136 2011-01-11 12:48:50 <Ivy> In the US and few other countries private currencies are legal. So not being a legal tender is not illegal, only opposite of the fiat currency.  What's nice about it is that Bitcoin is not really private currency  as it's based on the Open Source decentralized "cloud" volunteer community... so I'm not sure coming after me will be of any help to the Big Brother... Think bit-torrent hosting community...
137 2011-01-11 12:52:45 <Diablo-D3> ArtForzZz: okay I got an idea
138 2011-01-11 12:53:25 <Diablo-D3> ArtForzZz: take a blank x16 card, put a bunch of pci-e power connectors on it, 8 phases of VRM, and a pci-e bridge chip
139 2011-01-11 12:53:46 <Diablo-D3> ArtForzZz: and put four connectors on it parallel to the mobo.
140 2011-01-11 12:54:05 <Diablo-D3> ArtForzZz: then take four 40mm wide cards that plug into those connectors, and on each, put a 6970 and it's ram
141 2011-01-11 12:54:19 <Diablo-D3> ArtForzZz: and then put heatsinks all over it
142 2011-01-11 12:54:33 <Diablo-D3> ArtForzZz: plug those cards into the main card, put two 40mm fans at the ass end
143 2011-01-11 12:54:34 <Diablo-D3> and tada
144 2011-01-11 12:54:41 <Diablo-D3> the most powerful pile of shit ever
145 2011-01-11 12:56:15 <ArtForzZz> *shrug*
146 2011-01-11 12:57:25 <ArtForzZz> probably wont have enough fin area to cool those chips
147 2011-01-11 12:57:52 <Diablo-D3> well thats what I was thinking
148 2011-01-11 12:57:54 <Diablo-D3> so what you do
149 2011-01-11 12:58:13 <Diablo-D3> is put, say, half size full copper heatsinks on the memory
150 2011-01-11 12:58:22 <Diablo-D3> then a half size finned heatpipe on the gpu
151 2011-01-11 12:58:25 <Diablo-D3> with like two pipes in it
152 2011-01-11 12:58:38 <Diablo-D3> and go from fan side the whole way to the vents
153 2011-01-11 12:59:15 <ArtForz> hurrm
154 2011-01-11 12:59:32 <Diablo-D3> so the heat comes off the pipes at the ass end
155 2011-01-11 12:59:53 <Diablo-D3> and then leave a gap between the gpu and the fans for vrm heatsinks that stick out and shit
156 2011-01-11 13:00:04 <Diablo-D3> so it'd be a double 6990 or so
157 2011-01-11 13:00:08 <Diablo-D3> in 2 wide.
158 2011-01-11 13:00:18 <Diablo-D3> and it'd take every single ounce of power possible
159 2011-01-11 13:01:02 <ArtForz> whats the point of that crazy density?
160 2011-01-11 13:01:18 <Diablo-D3> because people will buy it.
161 2011-01-11 13:01:34 <ArtForz> errr... I doubt it
162 2011-01-11 13:02:44 <ArtForz> just take a stock 5970 or 5990, slap on a bigger vapor chamber or heatpipe cooler, a shroud over the whole thing and put 2 40mm fans on the ass end
163 2011-01-11 13:02:48 <Diablo-D3> also, this means up to 16 gpus in a conventional machine
164 2011-01-11 13:03:07 <Diablo-D3> assuming you can power the fucking thing
165 2011-01-11 13:04:31 <ArtForz> you could probably even lose the vapor chamber and just use a 4-5mm copper base plate
166 2011-01-11 13:05:15 <Diablo-D3> still
167 2011-01-11 13:05:18 <Diablo-D3> this could be some epic shit
168 2011-01-11 13:05:39 <ArtForz> and totally custom = hella expensive
169 2011-01-11 13:06:04 <ArtForz> modified cooler on ref PCBs is a lot cheaper
170 2011-01-11 13:06:42 <Diablo-D3> well the alternative is
171 2011-01-11 13:06:54 <Diablo-D3> produce normal PCBs that...
172 2011-01-11 13:07:00 <Diablo-D3> fit on both sides of the channel
173 2011-01-11 13:07:04 <Diablo-D3> so the left one is reversed
174 2011-01-11 13:07:19 <Diablo-D3> and the pci-e pins are one socket's worth up higher
175 2011-01-11 13:07:41 <Diablo-D3> and then you slam both of those down on a connector board that has two pcie plugs
176 2011-01-11 13:07:49 <Diablo-D3> with a pcie bridge chip
177 2011-01-11 13:07:52 <Diablo-D3> and then that plugs into the mobo
178 2011-01-11 13:08:32 <Diablo-D3> or put the bridge chip on the right board and send a cable over
179 2011-01-11 13:08:41 <Diablo-D3> you know, insert solution that makes sense here
180 2011-01-11 13:08:58 <Diablo-D3> and then with your left facing and right facing boards
181 2011-01-11 13:09:01 <Diablo-D3> put heatsinks all over them
182 2011-01-11 13:09:08 <Diablo-D3> but make sure the fins are every other spot
183 2011-01-11 13:09:17 <Diablo-D3> so when you put them together they interlock
184 2011-01-11 13:09:45 <Diablo-D3> and then BAM
185 2011-01-11 13:09:49 <Diablo-D3> instant double 6990
186 2011-01-11 13:10:16 <Diablo-D3> but you still need like 6 phase VRMs on both cards
187 2011-01-11 13:10:19 <Diablo-D3> and a bunch of plugs
188 2011-01-11 13:16:20 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: is that too insane?
189 2011-01-11 13:16:57 <molecular> Ivy, exchange bitcoins at http://www.mtgox.com/
190 2011-01-11 13:17:06 <ArtForz> guess it could work
191 2011-01-11 13:17:26 <Ivy> yeah ... Im on it... reading...
192 2011-01-11 13:18:08 <ArtForz> basically create a nearly 2-slot cooler with lengthwise fins with decent spacing, put in every 2nd card backwards or upside down so the fin combs interlock
193 2011-01-11 13:18:23 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: yup
194 2011-01-11 13:18:32 <Diablo-D3> you'd just need to mutate the pci-e connector
195 2011-01-11 13:19:00 <ArtForz> not really
196 2011-01-11 13:20:01 <gavinandresen> davout: ping?
197 2011-01-11 13:20:18 <ArtForz> if every 2nd card is upside down you could just create a board with 4 PCIe connectors in 2 slot spacing, a 48 lane bridge doing 16 -> 4*8 and a cable down to mainboard
198 2011-01-11 13:20:43 <molecular> guys, quick question? is 1.7mhash/s normal for nvidia g98? or is sth wrong with my setup?
199 2011-01-11 13:21:24 <ArtForz> sounds about right
200 2011-01-11 13:21:42 <ArtForz> g98 only has 8 shaders
201 2011-01-11 13:21:51 <molecular> ArtForz: thx, so there's a huge difference in computing-power between different cards?
202 2011-01-11 13:21:57 <ArtForz> yep
203 2011-01-11 13:22:09 <ArtForz> g98 = 8 shaders @ 1.3-1.4GHz
204 2011-01-11 13:22:10 <molecular> thanks a lot. that helped.
205 2011-01-11 13:22:20 <ArtForz> GF100 = 480 shaders
206 2011-01-11 13:22:26 <davout> gavinandersen: pong
207 2011-01-11 13:22:30 <molecular> allright
208 2011-01-11 13:22:33 <ArtForz> ati HD5870 = 1600 shaders @ 850MHz
209 2011-01-11 13:22:47 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: ooh four
210 2011-01-11 13:22:50 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: that could work
211 2011-01-11 13:23:07 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: wait
212 2011-01-11 13:23:07 <molecular> artforz: does that means paralellizing using opencl >8 "threads" does do no good with only 8 shaders?
213 2011-01-11 13:23:11 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: how would that work?
214 2011-01-11 13:23:24 <ArtForz> how would what work?
215 2011-01-11 13:23:40 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: well, the pci-e connectors would still have to be short
216 2011-01-11 13:23:45 <Diablo-D3> so they plug into a bridge board
217 2011-01-11 13:24:04 <ArtForz> I was thinking put the bottom 4 cards normally on the mainboard
218 2011-01-11 13:24:13 <ArtForz> you'd have to go XL-ATX to fit that
219 2011-01-11 13:24:38 <Diablo-D3> who said four cards
220 2011-01-11 13:24:40 <Diablo-D3> its just two
221 2011-01-11 13:24:47 <ArtForz> actually it's 8
222 2011-01-11 13:24:57 <Diablo-D3> 2 for every 2 wide slot.
223 2011-01-11 13:25:03 <ArtForz> yep
224 2011-01-11 13:25:15 <Diablo-D3> you cant plug them into the mobo because the spacing would have to be EXACT
225 2011-01-11 13:25:20 <ArtForz> so?
226 2011-01-11 13:25:29 <Diablo-D3> as in
227 2011-01-11 13:25:34 <Diablo-D3> x16 x16
228 2011-01-11 13:25:36 <Diablo-D3> right next to each other
229 2011-01-11 13:25:44 <Diablo-D3> and holy shit imagine trying to plug that in
230 2011-01-11 13:25:57 <ArtForz> you'd need x16 x16 ? x16 ? x16 ? x16 ?
231 2011-01-11 13:26:10 <ArtForz> and yes, thats 9 slots
232 2011-01-11 13:26:14 <Diablo-D3> no I mean
233 2011-01-11 13:26:16 <Diablo-D3> you'd need
234 2011-01-11 13:26:21 <Diablo-D3> one right next to the other
235 2011-01-11 13:26:26 <ArtForz> why?
236 2011-01-11 13:26:29 <Diablo-D3> two cards?
237 2011-01-11 13:26:41 <ArtForz> hurrrrm
238 2011-01-11 13:26:47 <Diablo-D3> if you dont have the bridge board at the bottom you need two physical slots
239 2011-01-11 13:26:52 <ArtForz> yep
240 2011-01-11 13:26:52 <Diablo-D3> right next to each ther
241 2011-01-11 13:26:56 <ArtForz> well... no
242 2011-01-11 13:26:57 <Diablo-D3> and a lot of boards dont have that
243 2011-01-11 13:27:26 <Diablo-D3> so short changing it with a bridge board would work
244 2011-01-11 13:27:35 <ArtForz> the physical slot for the 2ndary cards is outside
245 2011-01-11 13:27:49 <Diablo-D3> you mean inside
246 2011-01-11 13:27:58 <ArtForz> no
247 2011-01-11 13:28:03 <Diablo-D3> wait
248 2011-01-11 13:28:07 <Diablo-D3> if the upside down slot is upsidedown
249 2011-01-11 13:28:10 <Diablo-D3> err
250 2011-01-11 13:28:14 <ArtForz> yep
251 2011-01-11 13:28:18 <Diablo-D3> if the upside down slot is short
252 2011-01-11 13:28:28 <Diablo-D3> you use the bridge board ON THE TOP
253 2011-01-11 13:28:34 <ArtForz> yep
254 2011-01-11 13:28:53 <ArtForz> and just run a cable down on one end to a free x16 slot
255 2011-01-11 13:29:01 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: no no
256 2011-01-11 13:29:04 <Diablo-D3> I got it even better
257 2011-01-11 13:29:15 <Diablo-D3> wait
258 2011-01-11 13:29:16 <Diablo-D3> maybe you do
259 2011-01-11 13:29:25 <Diablo-D3> put the bridge on the top for _both cards_
260 2011-01-11 13:29:33 <ArtForz> that would also work
261 2011-01-11 13:29:33 <Diablo-D3> and then just plug it in with a cable
262 2011-01-11 13:29:40 <ArtForz> yep
263 2011-01-11 13:29:42 <Diablo-D3> infact, that could be superior anyhow
264 2011-01-11 13:29:50 <Diablo-D3> built in cable allows you to plug it in anywhere
265 2011-01-11 13:30:04 <Diablo-D3> it wouldnt have to be over the slot
266 2011-01-11 13:30:06 <Diablo-D3> but that'd be weird
267 2011-01-11 13:30:14 <Diablo-D3> and probably they wouldnt let me sell it
268 2011-01-11 13:30:15 <ArtForz> you'd be a few mm offset to a normal slot, but who cares
269 2011-01-11 13:30:30 <Diablo-D3> although if I just leave the cable in there
270 2011-01-11 13:30:40 <Diablo-D3> I could just make it part of the housing
271 2011-01-11 13:30:52 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: btw
272 2011-01-11 13:30:55 <Diablo-D3> theres a small problem
273 2011-01-11 13:31:00 <Diablo-D3> where do I plug the pcie plugs in?
274 2011-01-11 13:31:03 <Diablo-D3> if I take up the top
275 2011-01-11 13:31:21 <ArtForz> look at where the PCIe connector is and where the power plugs are
276 2011-01-11 13:31:29 <ArtForz> they're at different ends of the cards
277 2011-01-11 13:31:29 <Diablo-D3> they're only slightly offset
278 2011-01-11 13:31:42 <Diablo-D3> they're not if I have two sided pcie.
279 2011-01-11 13:31:55 <ArtForz> the top card is upside down, not backwards
280 2011-01-11 13:32:15 <Diablo-D3> yes, but pcie connectors are top loading
281 2011-01-11 13:32:20 <ArtForz> so?
282 2011-01-11 13:32:38 <Diablo-D3> btw, this could actually be solved
283 2011-01-11 13:32:45 <Diablo-D3> the bridge board would have pass through connectors
284 2011-01-11 13:32:49 <ArtForz> yep
285 2011-01-11 13:33:00 <Diablo-D3> so you plug them into the middle of the bridge
286 2011-01-11 13:33:06 <Diablo-D3> and then the cards just plug into the bridge
287 2011-01-11 13:33:08 <ArtForz> you'd have to run a cable for power up to the bridge board from the 2ndary card
288 2011-01-11 13:33:09 <Diablo-D3> and its just a dummy connector
289 2011-01-11 13:33:22 <ArtForz> for primary you can just plug in directly
290 2011-01-11 13:33:25 <Diablo-D3> well no
291 2011-01-11 13:33:29 <Diablo-D3> you'd use it for both
292 2011-01-11 13:33:36 <Diablo-D3> since both cards would be fabbed exactly alike
293 2011-01-11 13:33:57 <Diablo-D3> they wouldnt stick out at the top, they'd face internally
294 2011-01-11 13:34:05 <ArtForz> yep
295 2011-01-11 13:34:10 <Diablo-D3> so just use cables on both
296 2011-01-11 13:34:34 <ArtForz> and then you dont need to to use the bulky mini-fit jr. housings
297 2011-01-11 13:34:45 <Diablo-D3> the what?
298 2011-01-11 13:34:57 <ArtForz> mini-fit jr.
299 2011-01-11 13:35:18 <Diablo-D3> woah those have names?
300 2011-01-11 13:35:21 <ArtForz> yep
301 2011-01-11 13:35:24 <ArtForz> thats the contact housing type used for PCIe power, ATX, EPS, ...
302 2011-01-11 13:35:29 <Diablo-D3> hah
303 2011-01-11 13:35:36 <Diablo-D3> I just call them pcie power plugs
304 2011-01-11 13:36:11 <ArtForz> anyways, theres connectors with similar current ratings that take up less than 1/3 the space
305 2011-01-11 13:36:37 <Diablo-D3> yeah but those cost more
306 2011-01-11 13:36:39 <EvanR-work> almost 15G in the pool
307 2011-01-11 13:36:47 <ArtForz> not really much more
308 2011-01-11 13:36:47 <Diablo-D3> you'd just need like 1 inch cables
309 2011-01-11 13:36:59 <Diablo-D3> yeah but these are already common for the assembly line
310 2011-01-11 13:37:36 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: btw, we're even still over thinking this
311 2011-01-11 13:37:41 <Diablo-D3> we dont need 2 pcie
312 2011-01-11 13:37:43 <Diablo-D3> we need one
313 2011-01-11 13:37:49 <Diablo-D3> and then use TWO cables.
314 2011-01-11 13:38:16 <Diablo-D3> or not even two
315 2011-01-11 13:38:24 <Diablo-D3> wait yes two
316 2011-01-11 13:38:26 <Diablo-D3> fawk
317 2011-01-11 13:38:32 <ArtForz> yup, 2
318 2011-01-11 13:38:39 <Diablo-D3> I cant figure out how to route it
319 2011-01-11 13:38:42 <Diablo-D3> oh wait
320 2011-01-11 13:38:43 <Diablo-D3> yes I can
321 2011-01-11 13:38:57 <Diablo-D3> the right of the "card" plugs into the mobo
322 2011-01-11 13:39:04 <Diablo-D3> the left card points _down_
323 2011-01-11 13:39:21 <Diablo-D3> cable loops up to the bridge
324 2011-01-11 13:39:31 <Diablo-D3> then the right card plugs into the bridge directly
325 2011-01-11 13:39:44 <Diablo-D3> and then the bridge sends a cable over the right card and then down to the plug
326 2011-01-11 13:40:11 <EvanR-work> so the fast the pool gets, the faster i get coins from it, given constant hash rate
327 2011-01-11 13:40:15 <EvanR-work> fastser*
328 2011-01-11 13:40:33 <ArtForz> well... you get less coins more often
329 2011-01-11 13:40:41 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: then again, the left card's loop could be on the inside
330 2011-01-11 13:40:51 <Diablo-D3> by seeing if anyone makes a cabled pci-e extender
331 2011-01-11 13:40:55 <Diablo-D3> instead of ribbon
332 2011-01-11 13:41:12 <EvanR-work> ArtForz: yeah, but your average rate doesnt go up?
333 2011-01-11 13:41:31 <ArtForz> nope
334 2011-01-11 13:41:39 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: actually, if we could move the pci-e plug altogether, we'd be better off
335 2011-01-11 13:41:49 <Diablo-D3> actually
336 2011-01-11 13:41:52 <Diablo-D3> thats the trick I think
337 2011-01-11 13:41:57 <Diablo-D3> cards only need like x4
338 2011-01-11 13:42:01 <EvanR-work> ah so in the pool, i just plug my hash rate into the difficulty 32 formula to get my average coin rate
339 2011-01-11 13:42:16 <ArtForz> yep
340 2011-01-11 13:42:17 <Diablo-D3> plug the data pins of the bus into existing compatible cables
341 2011-01-11 13:42:31 <Diablo-D3> at the end of the card, near the vents
342 2011-01-11 13:42:36 <Diablo-D3> and then plug into the bridge
343 2011-01-11 13:42:51 <Diablo-D3> or something
344 2011-01-11 13:44:14 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: because you cant route the top pcie lines
345 2011-01-11 13:44:26 <Diablo-D3> the whole board is designed them for coming in the bottom
346 2011-01-11 13:44:43 <Diablo-D3> so its easier to subvert the pins and move them up a few mm and do something else with them
347 2011-01-11 13:45:48 <Diablo-D3> hrrm
348 2011-01-11 13:45:59 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: I wonder if the pci-e ribbons COULD be rounded
349 2011-01-11 13:46:02 <Diablo-D3> they seem pretty thick
350 2011-01-11 13:47:37 <ArtForz> they're really not
351 2011-01-11 13:47:52 <ArtForz> the cable iself is thin, the shielding is kinda bulky
352 2011-01-11 13:48:30 <Diablo-D3> the bridge would still be better on the bottom though
353 2011-01-11 13:50:17 <Diablo-D3> they make completely plastic right angle adapters
354 2011-01-11 13:50:56 <Diablo-D3> so you'd plug that into the end of the bridge board at the bottom
355 2011-01-11 13:51:05 <Diablo-D3> then right above it would be the left card
356 2011-01-11 13:51:19 <Diablo-D3> so when you shove down on the left card, it shoves down on the right angle connector
357 2011-01-11 13:51:32 <Diablo-D3> using the plastic frame around it
358 2011-01-11 13:52:18 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: ooh I figured it out
359 2011-01-11 13:52:47 <Diablo-D3> so taking that bottom bridge + right angle connector
360 2011-01-11 13:52:58 <Diablo-D3> you put a mobo connector on both boards
361 2011-01-11 13:53:24 <Diablo-D3> the left one plugs into ANOTHER right angle connector
362 2011-01-11 13:53:28 <Diablo-D3> on the top of the bridge board
363 2011-01-11 13:53:32 <Diablo-D3> the other one plugs in using a cable.
364 2011-01-11 13:53:55 <Diablo-D3> so, ONE cable.
365 2011-01-11 13:57:53 <Diablo-D3> clearly Ive gone insane.
366 2011-01-11 14:04:15 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: maybe this is just a bad idea
367 2011-01-11 16:16:19 <LobsterMan> ArtForz what is your aggregate hashrate up to now?
368 2011-01-11 16:16:30 <ArtForz> 16.5Ghps
369 2011-01-11 16:16:48 <LobsterMan> heh the pool is approaching that
370 2011-01-11 16:16:58 <ArtForz> yup
371 2011-01-11 16:17:38 <LobsterMan> are you going to be expanding your gpu farm any more?
372 2011-01-11 16:17:44 <ArtForz> nope
373 2011-01-11 16:21:22 <LobsterMan> it's 6 blocks to confirm a transaction, correct?
374 2011-01-11 16:21:41 <ArtForz> yeah, 6 is what the stock client uses for display
375 2011-01-11 16:33:20 <donpdonp> its a gigahash or a jigahash? (back to the future :)
376 2011-01-11 16:33:40 <UukGoblin> is gribble down or were the really no mtgox trades today?
377 2011-01-11 16:33:42 <Diablo-D3> *jigga
378 2011-01-11 16:34:09 <Diablo-D3> and there isnt 1.21 of them
379 2011-01-11 16:34:11 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,stats
380 2011-01-11 16:34:13 <gribble> Current Blocks: 102140 | Current Difficulty: 16307.48285682 | Next Difficulty At Block: 102815 | Next Difficulty In: 675 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 4 hours, 52 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 17837.15595720
381 2011-01-11 16:34:14 <LobsterMan> i guess no trades
382 2011-01-11 16:34:45 <sipa> so we just define the prefix jigga- to mean 110*10^9
383 2011-01-11 16:34:54 <sipa> and we're at 1.21 jiggahash!
384 2011-01-11 16:36:20 <tcatm> UukGoblin, LobsterMan: gribble is down, see: http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/mtgoxUSD.html
385 2011-01-11 16:37:05 <LobsterMan> fix it!
386 2011-01-11 16:40:56 <luke-jr> "jigga" is merely the SI pronunciation for "giga"
387 2011-01-11 16:41:20 <sipa> no
388 2011-01-11 16:41:25 <Diablo-D3> no
389 2011-01-11 16:41:29 <sipa> it's a deliberate mistake in the movie
390 2011-01-11 16:41:34 <sipa> because it sounded cool :)
391 2011-01-11 16:41:37 <Diablo-D3> well, its not even a mistake
392 2011-01-11 16:41:52 <Diablo-D3> it CAN be a correct pronunciation given enough bullshit.
393 2011-01-11 16:41:59 <sipa> hehe
394 2011-01-11 16:42:12 <Diablo-D3> someone wrote a lengthy article about it and I cant find it
395 2011-01-11 17:23:08 <luke-jr> go check a dictionary from that timeframe ;)
396 2011-01-11 18:02:35 <midnightmagic> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giga-#Pronunciation <- I think it's an Americanism from the US National Bureau of Standards.
397 2011-01-11 18:03:36 <pidpawel> have anyone tried generating bitcoins on ps3?
398 2011-01-11 18:04:52 <mizerydearia> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qID7Jsu1K0s
399 2011-01-11 18:05:19 <luke-jr> pidpawel: not sure if anyone's done it, but it would be crap
400 2011-01-11 18:05:51 <pidpawel> why?
401 2011-01-11 18:06:20 <luke-jr> because it's CPU+SPUs combined would be less than a good GPU?
402 2011-01-11 18:07:13 <ArtForz> even less than a really mediocre GPU
403 2011-01-11 18:08:51 <pidpawel> ok. do you happen to know whether mobile ati gpu's have opencl support?
404 2011-01-11 18:09:10 <ArtForz> well, if they're 4xxx or 5xxx based, yes
405 2011-01-11 18:09:11 <luke-jr> afaik it's not a chipset function, but a driver thing
406 2011-01-11 18:09:23 <luke-jr> and no free drivers do yet unless for some bleeding edge code
407 2011-01-11 18:09:55 <pidpawel> i will try downloading newest drivers for my 5650 card.
408 2011-01-11 18:10:02 <ArtForz> yes yes, nonfree drivers eat kittens
409 2011-01-11 18:10:44 <Diablo-D3> what, the fusion?
410 2011-01-11 18:10:54 <Diablo-D3> they're 5xxx
411 2011-01-11 18:11:04 <Diablo-D3> but its only supposed to be as powerful as an IGP
412 2011-01-11 18:11:08 <Diablo-D3> its meant to be an atom killer
413 2011-01-11 18:11:30 <ArtForz> Mobile 5650 is a redwood core -> same as discrete HD5670 just lower clock
414 2011-01-11 18:12:47 <ArtForz> seems the come with various core clocks depending on OEM, between 450 and 650MHz
415 2011-01-11 18:13:10 <ArtForz> ~60Mh/s @ 650MHz core
416 2011-01-11 18:13:47 <Diablo-D3> night all
417 2011-01-11 18:14:25 <pidpawel> my version is 450MHz core and 790MHz memory
418 2011-01-11 18:14:42 <ArtForz> mem clock doesnt matter really
419 2011-01-11 18:14:55 <ArtForz> so... 60/650*450 ... about 41.5Mh/s
420 2011-01-11 18:15:49 <pidpawel> it will still be much more than what i have now :)
421 2011-01-11 18:15:58 <pidpawel> im running 1-2khps on cpu