1 2011-01-12 01:07:52 <kartofeln> so.. I somehow generated a bitcoin block on the -testnet worth 50.03... how is that even possible with the standard client?
  2 2011-01-12 01:10:08 <tcatm> kartofeln: fees
  3 2011-01-12 01:10:24 <kartofeln> oooh
  4 2011-01-12 01:10:46 <kartofeln> so whoever gets to generate a block also gets all the fees associated with any transaction attached to that block?
  5 2011-01-12 01:11:09 <tcatm> yep
  6 2011-01-12 01:13:53 <kartofeln> so does it also mean that whoever generates a block gets to pick which transactions go into that block?
  7 2011-01-12 01:14:13 <tcatm> yep
  8 2011-01-12 01:14:33 <tcatm> you could choose to exclude all but your 50 BTC reward TX
  9 2011-01-12 01:15:34 <midnightmagic> i wonder who that is selling 20000 btc for $0.51
 10 2011-01-12 01:16:56 <beetlejooce> lol?
 11 2011-01-12 01:20:33 <noagendamarket> midnightmagic they probably want to catch a price spike
 12 2011-01-12 01:21:05 <midnightmagic> hilarious. good for them, way to make the rest of the market look like peanuts.
 13 2011-01-12 01:21:21 <noagendamarket> or they had them there from the last time it hit that price
 14 2011-01-12 01:21:38 <midnightmagic> but i think they are doing it perhaps to see what sorts of regulations might auto-trigger for the transfer of that much.
 15 2011-01-12 01:21:51 <noagendamarket> regulations?
 16 2011-01-12 01:21:52 <midnightmagic> or they had them from slow, careful buy-ups of younger btc.
 17 2011-01-12 01:21:59 <kartofeln> oh yeah. right above 10 grands..
 18 2011-01-12 01:22:11 <noagendamarket> ah....
 19 2011-01-12 01:22:26 <midnightmagic> yeah, usually >$10k transfers of cash/money/etc have to be reported to money-laundering authorities in.. i think their current HQ is in texas.
 20 2011-01-12 01:22:36 <noagendamarket> hmm that is ri8ght
 21 2011-01-12 01:23:03 <noagendamarket> also if you have so much in one day or something
 22 2011-01-12 01:23:09 <midnightmagic> should be an exciting development. perhaps they can avoid it unless there's just one buyer.
 23 2011-01-12 01:23:10 <noagendamarket> is that right?
 24 2011-01-12 01:23:43 <noagendamarket> how are they going to find who bought them if its heaps of people lol
 25 2011-01-12 01:23:48 <midnightmagic> don't remember. my wife used to work as a bank teller and could probably explain to me.
 26 2011-01-12 01:24:35 <midnightmagic> well, how would they find them at all, except if mtgox is keeping transfer records. if it's one purchase order, then maybe trackable. i wonder if mtgox would tell us if he got subpoena'd.
 27 2011-01-12 01:25:46 <kartofeln> all I know is that if you keep making transactions right under $10K through your bank, you'll have govt people breathing down your neck in no time.
 28 2011-01-12 01:43:17 <kiba> MT`AwAy: you been neglecting my interview!
 29 2011-01-12 01:50:32 <MT`AwAy> gah
 30 2011-01-12 01:50:53 <MT`AwAy> got 70 mails late x.x
 31 2011-01-12 02:48:50 <kiba> MT`AwAy: last question sent.
 32 2011-01-12 02:56:03 <xelister> MT`AwAy: all from kiba? ;)
 33 2011-01-12 02:56:09 <xelister> kiba: are you now journalist?
 34 2011-01-12 02:57:21 <kiba> my byline: Kiba is all around greedy bitcoiner who seeks to make money by anyeasy mean possible, wheather that is writing, programming, or making arts and stories. He will do it all to get bitcoin rich.
 35 2011-01-12 03:01:58 <kiba> xelister: what ya think of my byline?
 36 2011-01-12 03:02:14 <lfm> slightly long
 37 2011-01-12 03:08:14 <tcatm> 10 BTC for anyone who visits me and entertains my cat so I can code :D
 38 2011-01-12 03:19:35 <xelister> kiba: I think you should take on my picture challange
 39 2011-01-12 03:19:36 <xelister> ;)
 40 2011-01-12 03:19:43 <kiba> picture?
 41 2011-01-12 03:19:47 <kiba> me have no camera
 42 2011-01-12 03:19:47 <xelister> Tired of POOLED MINING with no result? GET PAID NOW! Doing usefull stuff:) Send pic of "Xelister and bitcoin rock! :*" pen-written: 0.01 BTC on hand; If ur cute girl: 0.05; 0.10 on back or above breasts; 1.00 on them(>18yo!). ~50 BTC for nice girls(PM me). Not faked! 3 nice foto >1MPix. FaceVisible=x2. | Ugly or male? No probl! Ask sister ;) -or- Email Adobe/MS/US gov/China why they're fags(0.03). Real offer:) PM before!
 43 2011-01-12 03:20:11 <xelister> people at first say like "wtf man??" but then they realize this is more sane the CPU mining, and also more green/eco   XD
 44 2011-01-12 03:22:31 <nanotube> and you might also want to update it with s/useful/other useless but more profitable/ :P
 45 2011-01-12 03:23:17 <nanotube> also, since one can get 1btc over the course of 3-4 weeks even with a 1-core cpu miner... your .0x btc offer isn't that attractive.
 46 2011-01-12 03:23:39 <xelister> nanotube: what CPU gives 1 btc over 1 month
 47 2011-01-12 03:24:00 <nanotube> i was mining on one 2.0ghz xeon in the pool for about 3 weeks, got 1 btc.
 48 2011-01-12 03:24:06 <nanotube> at about 750khps
 49 2011-01-12 03:24:07 <xelister> also, pic takes 2 minutes instead of say dicking around to set up miner
 50 2011-01-12 03:24:18 <xelister> plus - elcectricity bill :)  or rather, minus
 51 2011-01-12 03:24:28 <nanotube> (well i was doing it on a vps)
 52 2011-01-12 03:24:36 <nanotube> (so no elec bill)
 53 2011-01-12 03:24:46 <xelister> you could run there freenet node and get more
 54 2011-01-12 03:24:54 <nanotube> too much ram
 55 2011-01-12 03:25:26 <nanotube> but anyway, i'm just messing with ya. if you get any takers, good for you. :)
 56 2011-01-12 03:25:55 <xelister> 500 mb is sufficient
 57 2011-01-12 03:26:01 <xelister> well, or just run i2p "because" :)
 58 2011-01-12 03:26:09 <xelister> although in fact that leaves free cpu probably
 59 2011-01-12 03:26:23 <xelister> nanotube: someones are getting it working with
 60 2011-01-12 03:26:26 <xelister> 128 mb ram
 61 2011-01-12 03:35:43 <newsham> or you could read some code
 62 2011-01-12 03:36:19 <newsham> xelister: how much BTC to make you stop making that offer on this channel?
 63 2011-01-12 03:36:30 <xelister> newsham: 1
 64 2011-01-12 03:36:54 <newsham> if i give you 1.00BTC you will never make that offer on this chanel again?
 65 2011-01-12 03:37:00 <xelister> yes
 66 2011-01-12 03:38:06 <tcatm> I read a lot of code. Problem is, I discover new coding techniques while reading code and start to refactor, discover something new, refactor again.
 67 2011-01-12 03:38:18 <newsham> code golf
 68 2011-01-12 03:38:20 <xelister> tcatm: see last xkcd on that ;)
 69 2011-01-12 03:38:32 <newsham> tcatm: you really should be using haskell! :)
 70 2011-01-12 03:38:38 <xelister> tcatm: perfectionism -> procastination
 71 2011-01-12 03:39:02 <newsham> "the perfect is the enemy of the good"
 72 2011-01-12 03:39:08 <tcatm> newsham: I use whatever language works best. Currently that's javascript.
 73 2011-01-12 03:39:39 <xelister> javascript for what task?
 74 2011-01-12 03:39:45 <tcatm> js-remote
 75 2011-01-12 03:39:52 <newsham> tcatm: thats good and fine, but if you really want to play code golf... you should be using haskell :)
 76 2011-01-12 03:40:11 <newsham> then you could literally keep rewriting the same line of code for years, always approaching perfection
 77 2011-01-12 03:40:46 <newsham> its lots of fun too
 78 2011-01-12 03:40:49 <nanotube> newsham: save your one btc. i'll just collect votes for people who want him to stop making that offer. if i get to 10 votes from separate regulars on channel, i'll ban him next time he does it. :)
 79 2011-01-12 03:40:53 <newsham> nanotube: why are you killing the irc btc microeconomy?
 80 2011-01-12 03:41:10 <nanotube> newsham: haha racketeering is not good for any economy, micro or not. :P
 81 2011-01-12 03:41:31 <xelister> yeah microeconmy ftw
 82 2011-01-12 03:41:35 <newsham> racketeering is good for tennis
 83 2011-01-12 03:41:41 <xelister> this is an actually payable offer, newsham
 84 2011-01-12 03:41:42 <newsham> :)
 85 2011-01-12 03:41:47 <xelister> s/ newsham / nanotube
 86 2011-01-12 03:41:48 <nanotube> newsham: or maybe you'd like to pay me 10 btc ... to avoid getting banned from this channel for... not paying me 10 btc? :D
 87 2011-01-12 03:42:02 <newsham> xelister: I'm considering it (the 1btc)..  nfortnately i'm not in front of my wallet right now so you dont get the impulse buy
 88 2011-01-12 03:42:27 <newsham> nanotube: now you're thinking!  unfort I dont have 10btc and dont value this channel THAT much! ;-)
 89 2011-01-12 03:42:43 <xelister> better invest 30 btc in VPNs
 90 2011-01-12 03:43:20 <nanotube> hehe well, you value it enough to offer xelister 1 btc to reduce spam... :) so maybe if i lower my offer to 1 btc, i'll be sure to be below your reservation price. :D
 91 2011-01-12 03:45:30 <nanotube> xelister: btw, i /am/ running an i2p node on the vps. :)
 92 2011-01-12 03:46:02 <tcatm> I want to use ? in variable names :/
 93 2011-01-12 03:48:37 <newsham> does your lang support unicode?  any questionmark-like chars that you can use in vars?
 94 2011-01-12 03:49:17 <tcatm> mhm not without making the code hard to maintain
 95 2011-01-12 03:49:46 <nanotube> or more to the point... why do you want question marks in variable names. :)
 96 2011-01-12 03:50:38 <tcatm> passing boolean vars to functions
 97 2011-01-12 03:51:04 <xelister> nanotube: cheers. Is there i2p<->fn yet?
 98 2011-01-12 03:51:12 <nanotube> xelister: yes, on #bitcoin-discussion
 99 2011-01-12 03:51:20 <nanotube> that is, in fact, the very reason i'm running i2p :)
100 2011-01-12 03:51:22 <xelister> erm. bitcoin <-> i2
101 2011-01-12 03:51:24 <xelister> erm. bitcoin <-> i2p
102 2011-01-12 03:51:34 <nanotube> ah... they're working on it.
103 2011-01-12 03:51:48 <kartofeln> random Q in case someone knows: why is my GPU clock slowing down from 850 to 400 Mhz when a video is playing, and how would one go about forcing it back up to a happy frequency?
104 2011-01-12 03:52:00 <tcatm> kartofeln: better cooling?
105 2011-01-12 03:53:13 <xelister> what, 50% slowdown? strange. ask #hardware
106 2011-01-12 03:53:14 <kartofeln> well, the temperature is certainly colder.. without video playing, mining full blast, the GPU heats up to 76 C, while now it's capped at 52 C..
107 2011-01-12 03:53:17 <xelister> or ArtForz ;)
108 2011-01-12 03:53:42 <tcatm> kartofeln: so it slows down while mining and playing video?
109 2011-01-12 03:53:48 <kartofeln> while playing video yes.
110 2011-01-12 03:53:56 <tcatm> without mining?
111 2011-01-12 03:53:57 <kartofeln> effective mining throughput drops to 40% of optimal.
112 2011-01-12 03:54:10 <kartofeln> with or without. the clock stays at 400 Mhz while video plays.
113 2011-01-12 03:54:18 <tcatm> maybe some powersave feature
114 2011-01-12 03:54:29 <kartofeln> and usually goes back up to 850 once it stops. I had to kill the video playing process occasionally to make it happen.,
115 2011-01-12 03:54:37 <nanotube> kartofeln: well, clearly, the solution to maximize your mining output is to play less video. :)
116 2011-01-12 03:54:42 <kartofeln> :'(
117 2011-01-12 03:54:45 <newsham> would they want to lower the gpu perf to make it quieter?
118 2011-01-12 03:54:59 <newsham> (does it have a loud fan?)
119 2011-01-12 03:55:12 <kartofeln> the fan is a bit loudish, yes.
120 2011-01-12 03:55:29 <newsham> just a random guess
121 2011-01-12 03:56:13 <kartofeln> interestingly, MSI Afterburner isn't able to change the frequency back manually either.
122 2011-01-12 03:56:17 <kartofeln> I just seem to have no control over this.
123 2011-01-12 04:00:25 <nanotube> xelister: are you by any chance interested in helping out the bitcoin over i2p effort? cuz i'm sure the i2pers would be happy to have extra help...
124 2011-01-12 04:04:17 <joe_1> isn't there only 1 main i2p developer anymore
125 2011-01-12 04:04:46 <kartofeln> ok, I can narrow it to H264 videos, that apparently have GPU accelerated playback in the flash player.
126 2011-01-12 04:07:12 <xelister> nanotube: brb
127 2011-01-12 04:08:01 <nanotube> joe_1: there's a community of devs, afaik. but i'm not sure, i'm not deeply into i2p...
128 2011-01-12 04:32:26 <Diablo-D3> [1/11/11 2:15:01 PM] Block 290 found on ATI RV770 (#1)
129 2011-01-12 04:32:29 <Diablo-D3> heheheh
130 2011-01-12 04:36:09 <kiba> http://wiki.kibabase.com/Thinking_From_Someone's_Perspective
131 2011-01-12 04:48:26 <tcatm> Looks like someone is testing miners on testnet? :)
132 2011-01-12 04:54:17 <kiba> let start a testnet to create a testnet!
133 2011-01-12 05:02:16 <nanotube> kiba: what is your objective in life?
134 2011-01-12 05:02:34 <kiba> objective in life?
135 2011-01-12 05:02:43 <kiba> Good question!
136 2011-01-12 05:04:54 <nanotube> kiba: well that wiki page you wrote seemed to imply that you had that pretty clear in your head. :)
137 2011-01-12 05:05:13 <kiba> let see, I wanna get laid
138 2011-01-12 05:58:12 <newsham> mining on testnet is much more profitable
139 2011-01-12 05:58:35 <newsham> whats the tnbtc to btc conversion?
140 2011-01-12 05:59:19 <lfm> well whats the value of testnet btc?
141 2011-01-12 05:59:32 <newsham> thats what i just said
142 2011-01-12 05:59:49 <lfm> i dont think there actaually is a market for testnet btc
143 2011-01-12 06:00:29 <newsham> who has the most tnbtc when he dies wins
144 2011-01-12 06:00:41 <lfm> like you cant really convert them
145 2011-01-12 06:01:13 <lfm> ie they arnt worth anything
146 2011-01-12 06:01:28 <newsham> says you
147 2011-01-12 06:01:36 <lfm> so testnet isnt really profitable
148 2011-01-12 06:01:51 <newsham> just cause its not liquid today..
149 2011-01-12 06:02:04 <nanotube> also too easily subvertible, with not much cpu power behind it.
150 2011-01-12 06:02:23 <sgornick> Buying 100,000 TNBTC for 1 BTC.    There. ,... now all I need is a willing seller and we have a market.
151 2011-01-12 06:02:55 <lfm> also testnet is run with the warning that it can be rebooted and throws away the current block chain
152 2011-01-12 06:03:38 <nanotube> i'll also buy 100k tnbtc for 1 btc. looks like we have the beginnings of an exchange here. haha
153 2011-01-12 06:04:14 <newsham> whats the current tn difficulty?
154 2011-01-12 06:05:05 <gribble> Error: "bc,difficylty" is not a valid command.
155 2011-01-12 06:05:05 <lfm> ;;bc,difficylty
156 2011-01-12 06:05:12 <gribble> Error: "bc,difficulty" is not a valid command.
157 2011-01-12 06:05:12 <lfm> ;;bc,difficulty
158 2011-01-12 06:05:21 <lfm> ;;bc,stats
159 2011-01-12 06:05:23 <gribble> Current Blocks: 102238 | Current Difficulty: 16307.48285682 | Next Difficulty At Block: 102815 | Next Difficulty In: 577 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 13 hours, 35 minutes, and 18 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 17951.07232420
160 2011-01-12 06:05:23 <nanotube> 11.67
161 2011-01-12 06:05:43 <nanotube> lfm: you were looking for bc,diff but that's for realnet diff, not tn
162 2011-01-12 06:05:56 <lfm> k
163 2011-01-12 06:07:13 <nanotube> mmm, 11.67 diff on testnet... pretty nice. :)
164 2011-01-12 06:07:21 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 11.67, is 13 hours, 55 minutes, and 22 seconds
165 2011-01-12 06:07:21 <nanotube> ;;bc,calcd 1000 11.67
166 2011-01-12 06:07:29 <nanotube> hehe
167 2011-01-12 06:08:17 <lfm> jeez, thats great, you should start a pool!
168 2011-01-12 06:11:27 <newsham> no pool required
169 2011-01-12 06:11:49 <newsham> so 2hrs per 50tnbc at 7Mhps?
170 2011-01-12 06:12:00 <newsham> still take a while for 100k tnbtc
171 2011-01-12 06:12:42 <lfm> it would take a while even at 10 min per 50btc\n164375
172 2011-01-12 06:14:53 <newsham> i should make a game that accepts tnbtc
173 2011-01-12 06:18:42 <nanotube> hehe
174 2011-01-12 06:19:10 <newsham> might actually be a good idea because hen i can have an external currency but without the headaches of it having real value
175 2011-01-12 06:19:30 <nanotube> heh
176 2011-01-12 06:19:59 <newsham> i'm working ona small gambling game now
177 2011-01-12 06:20:08 <newsham> and if its not real value its not really gambling
178 2011-01-12 09:28:48 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,calc 530000
179 2011-01-12 09:28:49 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 530000 Khps, given current difficulty of 16307.48285682 , is 1 day, 12 hours, 42 minutes, and 31 seconds
180 2011-01-12 09:29:33 <da2ce7> G'day bitcoiners'
181 2011-01-12 09:30:10 <UukGoblin> D-day germans
182 2011-01-12 09:30:43 <da2ce7> lol
183 2011-01-12 09:33:17 <da2ce7> Germans are stereotypically good savers... they should like bitcoin
184 2011-01-12 09:39:55 <UukGoblin> (no offense meant of course)
185 2011-01-12 09:40:14 <UukGoblin> yeah I think ArtForzZz is german and he does like bitcoin :-]
186 2011-01-12 09:40:32 <UukGoblin> one thing I /don't/ like about bitcoin is that it's ultimately still only money
187 2011-01-12 09:40:36 <UukGoblin> and money sucks
188 2011-01-12 09:46:25 <da2ce7> money is great, it is a way to trade good will between people
189 2011-01-12 09:47:58 <joe_1> thanks to bruce bitcoin is going to skyrocket
190 2011-01-12 09:48:08 <sipa> who's bruce?
191 2011-01-12 09:49:46 <joe_1> he's a guy who lives in new york city and he posts on the forum but doesn't come on irc. he has a lot of energy and he has given several interviews to radio stations about bitcoins, and most recently he gotten a point-of-sale company to agree to put bitcoin in their software, so we'll be able to pay with bitcoins at restaurants
192 2011-01-12 09:50:20 <sipa> oh yes, i read about that
193 2011-01-12 09:51:03 <reQunix> Has there been any traction on versioning the protocol instead of the client? Haven't checked the forums much recently?
194 2011-01-12 09:51:56 <joe_1> i havent been dialed into that i don't know. i was under the understanding that the protocol is not going to change any more.
195 2011-01-12 09:52:47 <joe_1> are you talking about the bruce wagner stuff or the bitcoin client and protocol in general?
196 2011-01-12 09:53:04 <reQunix> No, just in general.
197 2011-01-12 09:53:08 <joe_1> ok
198 2011-01-12 09:53:35 <reQunix> I've been tempted to do a cross-platform Ruby implementation for sites to process payments.
199 2011-01-12 09:54:18 <reQunix> I've got one in the works, but it relies on the regular client running in the background.
200 2011-01-12 09:55:04 <joe_1> does it just hold people's money and let them send it to other users then they can withdraw it back out? or does it link in with other currencies like liberty reserve?
201 2011-01-12 09:55:24 <reQunix> No, it just deals with Bitcoin.
202 2011-01-12 09:55:28 <joe_1> ok
203 2011-01-12 09:55:44 <reQunix> It just simplifies interfacing with the client atm
204 2011-01-12 09:56:02 <joe_1> so, what we're trying to do is allow there to be many different large payment processors to connect to each other in a network
205 2011-01-12 09:56:09 <reQunix> So you would make a call to it saying you want to receive a payment and it will give you an address on an account etc.
206 2011-01-12 09:56:44 <reQunix> So, like getting payment gateways on-board with processing Bitcoin as well
207 2011-01-12 09:58:48 <joe_1> it would bring all of these different sites together-- mybitcoin, mtgox, the site you're creating now,
208 2011-01-12 09:59:21 <joe_1> they would operate how they do now, but they would have the option of sending coins to users on other sites, and also receiving coins from users on other sites
209 2011-01-12 10:03:02 <reQunix> That makes sense. What I'm working on isn't a site, it's reusable code that people can use when creating sites (most likely stores)
210 2011-01-12 10:03:16 <joe_1> oh ok
211 2011-01-12 10:03:49 <reQunix> Makes it easier for people creating less standard sites
212 2011-01-12 10:04:29 <joe_1> what language is it written in
213 2011-01-12 10:04:46 <reQunix> But in evaluating the benefits over what I've currently got, it's not quite worth it yet.
214 2011-01-12 10:04:48 <reQunix> Ruby
215 2011-01-12 10:05:16 <eureka^> i thought you were trying to make it easier?
216 2011-01-12 10:05:17 <eureka^> :)
217 2011-01-12 10:05:44 <reQunix> Hehe, trust me, that is easier ;)
218 2011-01-12 10:06:53 <joe_1> well have you gotten far enough where the ruby stuff is talking to the json stuff
219 2011-01-12 10:07:48 <reQunix> Yeah, but I'm cheating. :)
220 2011-01-12 10:08:43 <joe_1> how
221 2011-01-12 10:08:52 <reQunix> Using the CLI
222 2011-01-12 10:09:24 <joe_1> cli command line interface?
223 2011-01-12 10:09:54 <reQunix> Yip, you can call most commands from the CLI if you have the client running with --server
224 2011-01-12 10:10:06 <joe_1> cool
225 2011-01-12 10:10:20 <reQunix> So I get almost everything for free
226 2011-01-12 10:10:42 <joe_1> well do you have a users database set up
227 2011-01-12 10:10:56 <reQunix> But one should include utility methods to check if the server is running and so forth
228 2011-01-12 10:11:18 <reQunix> Nope, nothing in production
229 2011-01-12 10:11:36 <reQunix> Just a pet-project so far
230 2011-01-12 10:12:43 <reQunix> One could just use one of the web-based services that manage an account for you
231 2011-01-12 10:13:10 <joe_1> yeah
232 2011-01-12 10:13:12 <reQunix> But for certain types of sites one would want tighter control over how funds are moved around
233 2011-01-12 10:13:55 <reQunix> So I intend to build in some _gravy_ for lack of a better term to make those things simpler
234 2011-01-12 10:14:12 <joe_1> oh
235 2011-01-12 10:15:08 <reQunix> But I don't want to build anything that stores details of users centrally or tries to make money. Just something that helps people build sites.
236 2011-01-12 10:15:23 <reQunix> I don't want to own anything...
237 2011-01-12 10:15:35 <reQunix> Owning things is tedious :)
238 2011-01-12 10:15:41 <joe_1> yeah
239 2011-01-12 10:16:11 <joe_1> needless to say, everyone in this channel will be millionaires in the next 4 years
240 2011-01-12 10:16:25 <eureka^> i'd like to hope that
241 2011-01-12 10:16:55 <reQunix> Hehe, I'm in Africa. Being a millionaire here means very little ;)
242 2011-01-12 10:17:26 <joe_1> why
243 2011-01-12 10:18:32 <reQunix> Take Zimbabwe -> 150,000% inflation rate
244 2011-01-12 10:18:39 <joe_1> oh
245 2011-01-12 10:18:43 <reQunix> Millionaires can't even buy beer :)
246 2011-01-12 10:18:53 <joe_1> ok let me re phrase it
247 2011-01-12 10:19:06 <joe_1> you will be worth at least 2 million usd
248 2011-01-12 10:19:45 <joe_1> do you live in a tent
249 2011-01-12 10:20:03 <reQunix> No, I live in an apartment building
250 2011-01-12 10:20:15 <reQunix> I'm in 1st world Africa
251 2011-01-12 10:20:28 <joe_1> oh
252 2011-01-12 10:20:44 <reQunix> Living standards where I live is comparable, in fact probably exceeding, somewhere like New York
253 2011-01-12 10:20:54 <joe_1> wow thats good
254 2011-01-12 10:21:17 <reQunix> But that's obviously not true for most of Africa
255 2011-01-12 10:21:40 <devon_hillard> "An infinite, ordered set of monkeys each pressing exactly one key on a typewriter would produce the entire works of Shakespeare for at least a connected subset of monkeys."
256 2011-01-12 10:22:14 <da2ce7> lol
257 2011-01-12 10:22:16 <devon_hillard> the lesser infinite monkey theorem
258 2011-01-12 10:23:42 <joe_1> would there be an infinite subset
259 2011-01-12 10:24:00 <devon_hillard> a finite subset
260 2011-01-12 10:24:40 <devon_hillard> because the number of monkeys would be equal to the number of characters
261 2011-01-12 10:30:02 <joe_1> but there's an infinite number of connected subsets
262 2011-01-12 10:31:21 <Diablo-D3> wee
263 2011-01-12 10:31:56 <Diablo-D3> Ive now passed my first 50 btc with the pool
264 2011-01-12 11:07:10 <dsg> slush: Could you make the pool e-mail notification RFC2822-compliant (i.e. include a plaintext version along with the HTML)?
265 2011-01-12 11:08:30 <slush> dsg: I know mail notifications are strange. Now I'm working on password recovery and csrf improvements, so then I can fix it, too
266 2011-01-12 11:18:24 <dsg> slush: It's not a big deal, I just can't read the notification in my mail reader :)
267 2011-01-12 11:18:33 <dsg> I can always login to check
268 2011-01-12 12:50:06 <omglolbbq1> what could cause diablominer to make java crash? it happens randomly, sometimes after 2 minutes, sometimes after 2 hours
269 2011-01-12 12:50:55 <Diablo-D3> driver bug.
270 2011-01-12 12:51:23 <omglolbbq1> hmm
271 2011-01-12 12:51:30 <omglolbbq1> i have latest..
272 2011-01-12 12:51:53 <omglolbbq1> used to work fine on my 32bit system,problems started on 64 bit
273 2011-01-12 13:17:00 <slush> Is http://chlazeni.heureka.cz/arctic-cooling-accelero-xtreme-5970/specifikace/ significant improvement of 5970 cooling?
274 2011-01-12 13:17:13 <slush> (better than stock cooler)
275 2011-01-12 13:17:28 <ArtForzZz> no
276 2011-01-12 13:17:33 <slush> I think so
277 2011-01-12 13:17:52 <ArtForzZz> core temps are lower, but VRM temps for GPU2 are WAY higher than stock
278 2011-01-12 13:18:33 <slush> thanks
279 2011-01-12 13:18:56 <ArtForzZz> oh, and don't fully tighten the screws holding the main cooler plate, or you'll fry your DVI outputs
280 2011-01-12 13:19:13 <slush> :)
281 2011-01-12 13:19:55 <ArtForzZz> the standoffs are ~1.5mm too short, so if you fully tighten the screws you badly bend the PCB and short out some caps
282 2011-01-12 13:20:03 <ArtForzZz> community found that out after about a dozen people fried their cards
283 2011-01-12 13:20:16 <ArtForzZz> ACs response "sucks to be an early adopter, eh?"
284 2011-01-12 13:21:24 <ArtForzZz> and they silently changed the mounting manual from "fully tighten those screws" to "50% tighten those screws" ... WTF?
285 2011-01-12 13:22:29 <omglolbbq1> artforz you're running 5870's?
286 2011-01-12 13:22:35 <slush> lol
287 2011-01-12 13:22:39 <Diablo-D3> btw
288 2011-01-12 13:22:47 <Diablo-D3> we shouldnt be really chasing after 5970s anymore
289 2011-01-12 13:22:50 <Diablo-D3> the stock is getting too low
290 2011-01-12 13:22:54 <Diablo-D3> and this is going to fuck people
291 2011-01-12 13:23:03 <Diablo-D3> omglolbbq1: its a driver bug. seriously.
292 2011-01-12 13:23:22 <omglolbbq1> diablo, what can i do about it, i'm runnning latest version
293 2011-01-12 13:23:30 <Diablo-D3> nothing
294 2011-01-12 13:23:33 <Diablo-D3> absolutely nothing
295 2011-01-12 13:23:41 <ArtForzZz> 5970s mainly
296 2011-01-12 13:23:53 <slush> Diablo-D3: >  the stock is getting too low ??
297 2011-01-12 13:24:05 <Diablo-D3> third party parts and shit
298 2011-01-12 13:24:10 <Diablo-D3> 5970 stuff is special order
299 2011-01-12 13:24:22 <Diablo-D3> its not like the single gpu stuff
300 2011-01-12 13:24:30 <Diablo-D3> where we've been using the same screw holes for like 4 generations
301 2011-01-12 13:24:44 <ArtForzZz> I guess the AC5970 could work decently if you replace the crappy vrm cooler with a thermalright vrm-r3/r4
302 2011-01-12 13:24:46 <omglolbbq1> my friends bought 5870 for almost 400 euro's, i got a 5850 for 170 euros that runs equaly fast OC'ed at normal voltage and cooler :) might be interresting for your series too
303 2011-01-12 13:25:07 <ArtForzZz> wonder why no one tried that yet
304 2011-01-12 13:25:26 <ArtForzZz> the ass-end VRM section is identical between 5870 and 5970
305 2011-01-12 13:26:49 <ArtForzZz> ... wonder why no one tried that yet
306 2011-01-12 13:28:29 <ArtForzZz> 5870 is bad value really
307 2011-01-12 13:29:08 <ArtForzZz> hacked 6950s are probably a good deal
308 2011-01-12 13:48:39 <UukGoblin> ArtForzZz, 'hacked'?
309 2011-01-12 13:48:48 <UukGoblin> they have like 1400-something cores, don't they?
310 2011-01-12 13:49:22 <ArtForzZz> you can flash em with 6970 BIOS to unlock all shaders
311 2011-01-12 13:49:45 <UukGoblin> ah
312 2011-01-12 13:49:54 <UukGoblin> but they're crappier than 5970s surely?
313 2011-01-12 13:50:09 <UukGoblin> as in slower
314 2011-01-12 13:50:28 <UukGoblin> or am I thinking about a wrong card?
315 2011-01-12 13:55:19 <UukGoblin> yeah 6970 has 1536 cores, 6950 has 1408 and 5870 has 1600 so 5970 has 3200
316 2011-01-12 13:55:44 <UukGoblin> only the clock on 6970 is higher
317 2011-01-12 13:56:04 <ArtForzZz> yep
318 2011-01-12 13:56:14 <ArtForzZz> 6970 and 5870 are roughly equal for mining
319 2011-01-12 13:56:36 <ArtForzZz> within 1% or so
320 2011-01-12 13:56:52 <ArtForzZz> but 6970 is 15-20% faster for 3D
321 2011-01-12 13:57:14 <ArtForzZz> and probably has higher resale value
322 2011-01-12 13:58:40 <UukGoblin> so does any 6xxx series have dual GPU like 5970?
323 2011-01-12 13:59:23 <ArtForzZz> not yet
324 2011-01-12 13:59:32 <ArtForzZz> 6990 is supposed to mome out february
325 2011-01-12 14:24:52 <luke-jr> PNY or G.SKILL RAM better?
326 2011-01-12 14:27:43 <Diablo-D3> both suck.
327 2011-01-12 14:28:05 <x6763> luke-jr: i've had some g.skill in my laptop for about a year so far, and haven't had any problems...no idea which is better or how they compare to more popular brands, though
328 2011-01-12 14:29:09 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: what are you looking for?
329 2011-01-12 14:35:23 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: building a new desktop
330 2011-01-12 14:36:21 <luke-jr> how do they suck? I mean, as long as it retains the data&
331 2011-01-12 14:36:23 <luke-jr> O.o
332 2011-01-12 14:39:16 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: no I mean, what type do you need
333 2011-01-12 14:39:26 <Diablo-D3> and it sucks because they have poor build quality
334 2011-01-12 14:39:29 <Diablo-D3> and dont buy A grade chips
335 2011-01-12 14:51:34 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: DDR3
336 2011-01-12 14:51:46 <luke-jr> but I can get PNY 4 GB sticks for $65&
337 2011-01-12 14:51:53 <luke-jr> err, 2x 4GB
338 2011-01-12 14:52:23 <Diablo-D3> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226095
339 2011-01-12 14:52:57 <luke-jr> yeah, $20 more&
340 2011-01-12 14:53:08 <luke-jr> $40 more considering I really prefer 16 GB
341 2011-01-12 14:53:09 <Diablo-D3> yes, and its also not PNY, and its also spec.
342 2011-01-12 14:53:19 <luke-jr> PNY is spec?
343 2011-01-12 14:53:24 <Diablo-D3> PNY isnt.
344 2011-01-12 14:53:30 <Diablo-D3> no way thats correctl voltage
345 2011-01-12 14:53:42 <luke-jr> it says 1.5V
346 2011-01-12 14:53:49 <luke-jr> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820178333
347 2011-01-12 14:53:57 <Diablo-D3> its still pny
348 2011-01-12 14:54:01 <luke-jr> &
349 2011-01-12 14:54:18 <Diablo-D3> also, its $85
350 2011-01-12 14:55:54 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: PNY is seriously so bad, that I should pay $40 more for Munchkin?
351 2011-01-12 14:56:46 <ArtForzZz> meh, I prefer samsung or kingston value series
352 2011-01-12 14:57:00 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: yes.
353 2011-01-12 14:57:24 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: oh, and btw, its not $40
354 2011-01-12 14:57:34 <Diablo-D3> that mail in rebate, should you actually get it, probably has wording "one per household"
355 2011-01-12 14:57:44 <Diablo-D3> so its a POSSIBLE $20.
356 2011-01-12 14:58:10 <luke-jr> 3 per household
357 2011-01-12 14:58:12 <luke-jr> I read :p
358 2011-01-12 14:59:20 <Diablo-D3> heh
359 2011-01-12 14:59:22 <Diablo-D3> assuming you get it
360 2011-01-12 14:59:25 <Diablo-D3> and yes
361 2011-01-12 14:59:28 <Diablo-D3> I dont use PNY
362 2011-01-12 14:59:29 <Diablo-D3> ever
363 2011-01-12 14:59:34 <Diablo-D3> too much B grade or worse
364 2011-01-12 15:00:08 <luke-jr> grumble, the Munchkin has no combos with decent PSU
365 2011-01-12 15:00:34 <Diablo-D3> depends how you define decent
366 2011-01-12 15:01:23 <Diablo-D3> thermaltake is shit
367 2011-01-12 15:01:44 <luke-jr> only Rosewell
368 2011-01-12 15:01:50 <luke-jr> the PNY had a Corsair bundle
369 2011-01-12 15:02:19 <Diablo-D3> the only currently manufacturered ones I'd buy are corsair ax series
370 2011-01-12 15:02:32 <Diablo-D3> unless I happen to find a pc power silencer I still in stock
371 2011-01-12 16:12:48 <lfm> i got a coolermaster silent pro m600 recently seems pretty good ps
372 2011-01-12 16:21:22 <mizerydearia> hmm, iirc rosewell is evil company
373 2011-01-12 16:21:57 <ArtForzZz> y?
374 2011-01-12 16:23:18 <mizerydearia> http://stephenfung.net/rosewill-and-newegg-ridin-a-little-dirty
375 2011-01-12 16:24:28 <ArtForzZz> I dont think rosewill actually manufactures anything
376 2011-01-12 16:24:40 <ArtForzZz> they rebrand the slightly less crappy chinese crap
377 2011-01-12 16:25:56 <Diablo-D3> they dont
378 2011-01-12 16:25:59 <Diablo-D3> rosewill is newegg's brand
379 2011-01-12 16:26:05 <Diablo-D3> this is very famously so
380 2011-01-12 16:26:09 <Diablo-D3> and news to no one
381 2011-01-12 16:26:22 <ArtForzZz> well, some brands do have exclusive deals with mfgs
382 2011-01-12 16:26:41 <Diablo-D3> newegg == rosewill
383 2011-01-12 16:27:27 <ArtForzZz> for example some PSU "brands" get access to the latest HFC designs a few months before everyone else
384 2011-01-12 16:38:33 <lfm> hardly news that some reveiwers are in it just for the free stuff too. They prolly have no problem with those terms
385 2011-01-12 16:45:22 <pankkake> yeah, you can't get rosewill products out of newegg, too bad, some seem nice
386 2011-01-12 16:46:19 <pankkake> when you read some reviews yeah it seems so
387 2011-01-12 16:46:31 <pankkake> hopefully there are still quality reviews out there&
388 2011-01-12 16:57:43 <newsham> http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2011/01/dongguan-ghost-mall-haunts-chinas-property-boom/
389 2011-01-12 16:58:04 <ArtForzZz> whoa
390 2011-01-12 16:58:11 <ArtForzZz> mtgox just hit 0.34
391 2011-01-12 16:58:25 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.3404,"low":0.3176,"vol":23383,"buy":0.3185,"sell":0.34,"last":0.3404}}
392 2011-01-12 16:58:25 <sipa> ;;bc,mtgox
393 2011-01-12 16:58:29 <Cusipzzz> irrational exuberrance =)
394 2011-01-12 16:58:59 <ArtForzZz> 0.35
395 2011-01-12 16:59:07 <mizerydearia> ;bcm
396 2011-01-12 16:59:09 <bitbot> mizerydearia: Bitcoin Market: Bid(0.068) Ask(0.068) Last(0.0635) High(0.35) Low(0.35) Volume(0)
397 2011-01-12 16:59:28 <mizerydearia> uhh, that's surely wrong ^_^
398 2011-01-12 16:59:33 <sipa> seems so
399 2011-01-12 16:59:54 <ArtForzZz> ;;bc,mtgox
400 2011-01-12 16:59:55 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.35,"low":0.3176,"vol":29971,"buy":0.3185,"sell":0.3596,"last":0.35}}
401 2011-01-12 17:00:40 <sipa> so, this means 6588 BTC was sold at 0.35, probably?
402 2011-01-12 17:00:45 <ArtForzZz> yep
403 2011-01-12 17:00:54 <sipa> wow :)
404 2011-01-12 17:01:11 <ArtForzZz> either watch #bitcoin-market or just check http://www.mtgox.com/code/data/getTrades.php
405 2011-01-12 17:02:49 <mizerydearia> Also http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/markets.json
406 2011-01-12 17:03:00 <ArtForzZz> or that
407 2011-01-12 17:03:41 <nanotube> ;;bc,markets
408 2011-01-12 17:03:43 <gribble> bcEUR: 0.26 (15 BTC) 0.245/0.28519 | bcLREUR: 0.228 (1 BTC) 0.228/0.23 | bcLRUSD: 0.31 (100 BTC) 0.318/0.329 | bcmLRUSD: 0.26 (100 BTC) 0.28/0.35 | bcmPPUSD: 0.35 (100 BTC) 0.34/0.35 | bcmPXGAU: 0.0061 (300 BTC) 0.0046/None | btcexJPY: 2 (10 BTC) None/None | btcexRUB: 9.311 (0.15 BTC) None/None | btcexWMR: 9.1 (96.5 BTC) None/None | mtgoxUSD: 0.35 (28951.2 BTC) 0.3185/0.3596
409 2011-01-12 17:11:54 <nathan7> Man, I should've waited with trading those 500 bitcoins
410 2011-01-12 17:12:16 <lfm> ya hindsight is 20/20
411 2011-01-12 17:12:30 <sipa> actually it's infinity/20
412 2011-01-12 17:12:34 <nathan7> =p
413 2011-01-12 17:12:41 <ArtForzZz> actually it's 20/0
414 2011-01-12 17:13:11 <sipa> you know the definition of the X/Y rating for vision quality?
415 2011-01-12 17:13:18 <ArtForzZz> yep
416 2011-01-12 17:14:09 <sipa> 20/0 would mean you're able to see from 20 feet away as good as a someone with "perfect vision" is able to see from 0 feet away
417 2011-01-12 17:14:35 <ArtForzZz> yeah
418 2011-01-12 17:14:50 <lfm> shouldnt divide by zero
419 2011-01-12 17:14:56 <sipa> it's not actually a division
420 2011-01-12 17:15:05 <sipa> 10/20 sight is different from 5/10 sight
421 2011-01-12 17:15:40 <tcatm> bitcoin-central lets me login without solving captcha. Can anyone confirm?
422 2011-01-12 17:15:47 <lfm> i think its always 20/x
423 2011-01-12 17:16:57 <ArtForzZz> if the crat is 20 feet away, yes
424 2011-01-12 17:17:01 <ArtForzZz> *chart
425 2011-01-12 17:17:29 <lfm> ya and they scale it if its 10 feet away
426 2011-01-12 17:17:43 <ArtForzZz> imo thats bullshit
427 2011-01-12 17:18:31 <ArtForzZz> if the chart is 10 feet away, 10/10 would be nominal vision
428 2011-01-12 17:18:53 <lfm> anything over about 5 feet is focused on infinity for one eye
429 2011-01-12 17:19:22 <ArtForzZz> usually yes
430 2011-01-12 17:19:38 <lfm> so scaling works fine then
431 2011-01-12 17:21:46 <brocktice> Whoa, there goes that dark pool ask
432 2011-01-12 17:21:58 <ArtForzZz> yeah, now if only the method wasn't flawed :/
433 2011-01-12 17:24:24 <ArtForzZz> simulated snellen chart is bullshit
434 2011-01-12 17:25:00 <lfm> what the big E charts
435 2011-01-12 17:25:05 <ArtForzZz> yep
436 2011-01-12 17:25:08 <ArtForzZz> which are fine
437 2011-01-12 17:26:14 <ArtForzZz> around here you need at least 20/30 vision to get a drivers license without a requirement of wearing glasses
438 2011-01-12 17:27:48 <ArtForzZz> they use automated vision testing systems for that (usually)
439 2011-01-12 17:28:10 <ArtForzZz> which fucking suck
440 2011-01-12 17:29:30 <ArtForzZz> I have only slight myopia, about 0.5 / 0.3 diopters, yet get a huge headache from trying to focus using those machines and usually score 20/50 or worse
441 2011-01-12 17:30:02 <ArtForzZz> sit me in front of a real or projected chart and I do 20/30 no problem
442 2011-01-12 17:31:06 <ArtForzZz> luckily theres a exception so you can just waltz in with a signed slip from a ophthalmologist
443 2011-01-12 17:59:01 <kiba> oh boy!
444 2011-01-12 17:59:04 <kiba> the rally is exciting
445 2011-01-12 17:59:12 <kiba> .35 USD for a bitcoin!
446 2011-01-12 17:59:37 <Cusipzzz> ./popcorn
447 2011-01-12 17:59:38 <mizerydearia> Welcome to one hour ago
448 2011-01-12 17:59:42 <Cusipzzz> lol
449 2011-01-12 17:59:48 <sipa> 2010 called
450 2011-01-12 18:00:02 <sipa> they want their BTC/USD exchange rate back
451 2011-01-12 18:00:18 <EvanR-work> lol
452 2011-01-12 18:00:43 <EvanR-work> which was what .1 ?
453 2011-01-12 18:00:49 <kiba> I remember when it reach .5
454 2011-01-12 18:00:56 <lfm> it hit 0.50 once
455 2011-01-12 18:01:13 <sipa> it was around 0.28 or 0.29 at newyear
456 2011-01-12 18:01:19 <kiba> well, our goal for this year is to reach 2 dollars for 1 bitcoin parity
457 2011-01-12 18:02:00 <mizerydearia> Well, considering the value of the us dollar will drop suddenly any moment, us$2 for 1 bitcoin seems fairly liekly
458 2011-01-12 18:03:00 <kiba> our economy is now around 1.8 million USD
459 2011-01-12 18:03:04 <Cusipzzz> it's ^^ kind of myopia that makes it possible.. the coins are held by true believers, thus no real supply.
460 2011-01-12 18:03:51 <Cusipzzz> but i'm ok with that :)
461 2011-01-12 18:03:53 <lfm> yes, all money is an illusion
462 2011-01-12 18:04:04 <sipa> kiba: you think this exchange rate would remain if someone were trying to sell let's say a few million BTC?
463 2011-01-12 18:04:05 <djoot> well, it hit 0.50 MTGUSD when withdrawals from mtgox were temporarily suspended...
464 2011-01-12 18:04:10 <nevezen> coin generation doesn't have anything to do with actual bitcoin transactions right?
465 2011-01-12 18:04:18 <EvanR-work> all that matters is guns and butter
466 2011-01-12 18:04:24 <sipa> nevezen: hardly
467 2011-01-12 18:04:31 <kiba> sipa: you mean like Satoshi?
468 2011-01-12 18:04:33 <sipa> well, it has everything to do with it
469 2011-01-12 18:04:44 <sipa> but for the economy that doesn't matter
470 2011-01-12 18:04:46 <sipa> kiba: yes
471 2011-01-12 18:04:52 <kiba> no
472 2011-01-12 18:04:55 <kiba> it will probably collapse
473 2011-01-12 18:04:59 <nevezen> so if you lose 50 coins because forgot to backup your wallet, it's lost forever?
474 2011-01-12 18:05:04 <sipa> nevezen: yes
475 2011-01-12 18:05:10 <Diablo-D3> yes
476 2011-01-12 18:05:15 <kiba> lost in the ocean, forever
477 2011-01-12 18:05:18 <lfm> navezen yes
478 2011-01-12 18:05:23 <kiba> maybe someday, a lucky bastard will recover it
479 2011-01-12 18:05:27 <sipa> it's locked to the address it was sent to, without any means to transfer it again
480 2011-01-12 18:05:53 <Cusipzzz> maybe that's why satoshi is MIA...had a HD crash, lost 1.5MM coins, jumoed off bridge
481 2011-01-12 18:06:09 <mizerydearia> What indicates satoshi is mia?
482 2011-01-12 18:06:17 <midnightmagic> no posts recently in forum
483 2011-01-12 18:06:20 <kiba> Last seen: December 13
484 2011-01-12 18:06:23 <lfm> no posts for a month
485 2011-01-12 18:06:26 <Cusipzzz> nothing for a few weeks at least
486 2011-01-12 18:06:29 <nevezen> so no way of recover unless you have the actual wallet.dat file..
487 2011-01-12 18:06:32 <midnightmagic> usually he's pretty active.
488 2011-01-12 18:06:36 <Cusipzzz> nevezen: correct
489 2011-01-12 18:06:39 <EvanR-work> kiba: i found a neat chinese phrase to describe this
490 2011-01-12 18:06:53 <lfm> nevezen pretty much
491 2011-01-12 18:07:00 <nevezen> what about the rest of the files in that directory?
492 2011-01-12 18:07:07 <lfm> nope
493 2011-01-12 18:07:10 <kiba> Satoshi succeeded
494 2011-01-12 18:07:15 <mizerydearia> mm, repo last modified
495 2011-01-12 18:07:17 <kiba> in being a true mystery forever and ever
496 2011-01-12 18:07:18 <Diablo-D3> nevezen: do it with the client off
497 2011-01-12 18:07:27 <Diablo-D3> nevezen: or use the client's wallet backup command
498 2011-01-12 18:07:42 <Cusipzzz> there never was a satoshi, we had to invent one.
499 2011-01-12 18:07:52 <Diablo-D3> satoshi was really a stand alone complex
500 2011-01-12 18:07:59 <sipa> nevezen: the rest of the files are not important, they can be recreated from the network
501 2011-01-12 18:08:06 <lfm> nevezen did you lose your wallet?
502 2011-01-12 18:08:25 <mizerydearia> Satoshi is still here, in his alternative (or original) persona. ^_^  We must now continue bitcoin developments without his alternative persona 'satoshi' ^_^
503 2011-01-12 18:08:27 <kiba> Satoshi is pretty much an anonymous inventor
504 2011-01-12 18:08:51 <nevezen> yes, I forgot to back up my wallet once
505 2011-01-12 18:09:05 <lfm> satoshi is a distributed entity running on a backdoor in the binaries
506 2011-01-12 18:09:06 <nevezen> but this was when I hardly knew anything about bitcoin
507 2011-01-12 18:09:41 <mizerydearia> lfm: Is there a way to monitor any data transmitted through the bitcoin p2p network relating to the private switch satoshi added?
508 2011-01-12 18:09:47 <lfm> nevezen how much did you lose?
509 2011-01-12 18:09:50 <mizerydearia> I forgot what it is called.
510 2011-01-12 18:10:03 <nevezen> it's negligible lfm, I think. It was only 5 BTC.
511 2011-01-12 18:10:10 <EvanR-work> kiba: ???????w literally stone dropped into the ocean, used to mean disappear forever ;)
512 2011-01-12 18:10:11 <mizerydearia> the private communication layer
513 2011-01-12 18:10:32 <EvanR-work> describes bitcoins that are lost
514 2011-01-12 18:10:41 <lfm> nevezen ok so less than $2.
515 2011-01-12 18:11:16 <EvanR-work> shit im typed it wrong :(
516 2011-01-12 18:11:41 <EvanR-work> ?????'w
517 2011-01-12 18:11:43 <lfm> mizery the emergency broadcast system for bitcoin? ya maybe something like that
518 2011-01-12 18:11:43 <nevezen> until today, I didn't know about pooled mining
519 2011-01-12 18:12:17 <nevezen> so I was abit frustrated that I had been running bitcoin for a few months without any generation..
520 2011-01-12 18:12:31 <sipa> wow
521 2011-01-12 18:12:40 <sipa> what perseverance :)
522 2011-01-12 18:14:03 <nevezen> but this was only done on cpu
523 2011-01-12 18:14:13 <nevezen> maximum of 2KH/s
524 2011-01-12 18:14:50 <nevezen> I just tried m0mchil's opencl client and it's reporting ~25MH/s..
525 2011-01-12 18:15:55 <lfm> wtg
526 2011-01-12 18:17:29 <nevezen> but I suppose it's still hopeless doing it solo?
527 2011-01-12 18:17:43 <lfm> ;;bc,calc 25000
528 2011-01-12 18:17:44 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 25000 Khps, given current difficulty of 16307.48285682 , is 4 weeks, 4 days, 10 hours, 13 minutes, and 24 seconds
529 2011-01-12 18:18:12 <sipa> nevezen: i hope you mean 2MH/s, not 2kH/s ...
530 2011-01-12 18:18:25 <lfm> so you have a good chance of getting a whole block in the next month
531 2011-01-12 18:19:31 <nevezen> oh you're right.. ~25,000 kH/s
532 2011-01-12 18:19:41 <midnightmagic> that's faster than a 9600GT :)
533 2011-01-12 18:20:04 <midnightmagic> faster than a cpuminer on a 6-way 1090T..
534 2011-01-12 18:20:20 <lfm> ya what gpu is that
535 2011-01-12 18:20:20 <sipa> nevezen: 25MH/s == 25000 kH/S; i was talking about you CPU :)
536 2011-01-12 18:20:21 <nevezen> but it's not a 9600GT. It's a 8800GT :)
537 2011-01-12 18:20:33 <lfm> cool
538 2011-01-12 18:20:34 <nevezen> sipa: then I was right?
539 2011-01-12 18:20:40 <sipa> 20:14:13 < nevezen> maximum of 2KH/s
540 2011-01-12 18:20:51 <sipa> a 386 or so would do 2kH/s :)
541 2011-01-12 18:20:52 <nevezen> oh that was from cpu. Then I switched to gpu
542 2011-01-12 18:21:21 <nevezen> 2KH/s was from standard bitcoin client
543 2011-01-12 18:21:33 <midnightmagic> very nice. :) my 9600GT is a piece of crap but i used to think it was a strong piece of crap.
544 2011-01-12 18:21:37 <lfm> nevezen ya the basic bitcoin client/server only mines with the CPU. you need one of the separate miners to fire up the GPU
545 2011-01-12 18:21:37 <sipa> nevezen: are you sure?
546 2011-01-12 18:21:41 <nevezen> it was running on an AMD dualcore.. I believe 4000+
547 2011-01-12 18:21:55 <sipa> nevezen: are you sure it's not 2MH/s ?
548 2011-01-12 18:22:21 <nevezen> I'm pretty sure
549 2011-01-12 18:22:40 <lfm> what is your CPU? it is prolly 2mh/s
550 2011-01-12 18:22:48 <sipa> even a cell phone cpu does 140kH/s
551 2011-01-12 18:22:54 <nevezen> It's an AMD64 X2 4000+
552 2011-01-12 18:23:03 <sipa> it's definitely 2000kH/s :)
553 2011-01-12 18:23:04 <nevezen> about 2.1GHz?
554 2011-01-12 18:23:37 <sipa> a pentium 3 does 200kH/s
555 2011-01-12 18:23:46 <brocktice> At this point I don't think NVidia GPUs can turn a profit
556 2011-01-12 18:23:50 <brocktice> unless your power is free
557 2011-01-12 18:23:54 <brocktice> or billed at a flat rate
558 2011-01-12 18:24:02 <midnightmagic> or really cheap (a.k.a. BC hydroelectric is still really cheap)
559 2011-01-12 18:24:09 <nevezen> so is it better to mine in a pool?
560 2011-01-12 18:24:15 <sipa> i would say: yes
561 2011-01-12 18:24:22 <sipa> as long as you trust the pool operator
562 2011-01-12 18:24:25 <brocktice> It's better to just buy at that point IMO
563 2011-01-12 18:24:37 <midnightmagic> you'll get "the same" over time, but instant gratification rather than long-term.
564 2011-01-12 18:24:52 <lfm> actually over the long term it is better to not use a pool but it can be frustrating
565 2011-01-12 18:24:54 <brocktice> especially since the 95% range must be pretty large at that rate
566 2011-01-12 18:25:02 <midnightmagic> what lfm says.
567 2011-01-12 18:25:11 <sipa> lfm: why not?
568 2011-01-12 18:25:51 <lfm> sipa polling adds inevitable overhead, not large but inevitable
569 2011-01-12 18:25:52 <nevezen> I'm going to try m0mchil's client on an nvidia ion
570 2011-01-12 18:26:08 <nevezen> but I doubt it'll perform better than my desktop's 8800GT
571 2011-01-12 18:26:12 <lfm> pooling
572 2011-01-12 18:26:19 <brocktice> nevezen: your 8800 is doing 25 mhash/s?
573 2011-01-12 18:26:21 <sipa> what overhead?
574 2011-01-12 18:26:36 <nevezen> seems so brocktice
575 2011-01-12 18:26:38 <brocktice> You could have to wait 97 days or even more
576 2011-01-12 18:26:45 <brocktice> http://www.alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator.php
577 2011-01-12 18:26:48 <lfm> nevezen itd be slower but the power draw may make it more effiecient
578 2011-01-12 18:26:53 <sipa> i don't see the difference with running the client yourself, or connecting to the pool's one
579 2011-01-12 18:27:15 <sipa> that is, as long as you trust the pool operator, and assume no vandalism
580 2011-01-12 18:27:16 <brocktice> And let me tell you, even though I get them pretty regularly with my mining hardware, it can really be agonizing once you get into that 95% time frame.
581 2011-01-12 18:27:22 <lfm> sipa the getwork/response over the internet rather than localhost for one thing
582 2011-01-12 18:27:32 <brocktice> I can only imagine waiting another 60+ days after the average time frame
583 2011-01-12 18:27:33 <nevezen> hehe.. that looks awful
584 2011-01-12 18:28:02 <sipa> lfm: that's the same as one additional link in the network, ok true, it's there, but it's very small
585 2011-01-12 18:28:14 <brocktice> IMO unless you are willing to run ATI hardware to mine, just buy the damn things.
586 2011-01-12 18:28:17 <brocktice> I know others will disagree.
587 2011-01-12 18:28:28 <nevezen> does that generation calculator take into account pooled mining?
588 2011-01-12 18:28:32 <brocktice> no
589 2011-01-12 18:28:36 <brocktice> you'll get paid much more frequently
590 2011-01-12 18:28:39 <brocktice> very very small amounts
591 2011-01-12 18:28:46 <nevezen> yeah, small increments
592 2011-01-12 18:28:48 <brocktice> but you won't have the agonizing wait
593 2011-01-12 18:28:53 <brocktice> What's slush's pool at now for hashrate?
594 2011-01-12 18:29:02 <sipa> 14MH/s or so
595 2011-01-12 18:29:09 <brocktice> so for every block
596 2011-01-12 18:29:16 <brocktice> GH/s right?
597 2011-01-12 18:29:21 <sipa> of course
598 2011-01-12 18:29:26 <lfm> ya, instead of one bulk payment of 50.00 BTC you might get 0.01 every day or two
599 2011-01-12 18:29:32 <sipa> ;;bc,calc 25000
600 2011-01-12 18:29:33 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 25000 Khps, given current difficulty of 16307.48285682 , is 4 weeks, 4 days, 10 hours, 13 minutes, and 24 seconds
601 2011-01-12 18:29:36 <brocktice> for every block you'd get about 0.09 btc
602 2011-01-12 18:29:46 <sipa> so you'll still get on average 50 BTC in 4 days
603 2011-01-12 18:29:52 <brocktice> ;;bc,calc 14000000
604 2011-01-12 18:29:54 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 14000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 16307.48285682 , is 1 hour, 23 minutes, and 22 seconds
605 2011-01-12 18:29:56 <lfm> 4 weeksa
606 2011-01-12 18:30:09 <sipa> or course
607 2011-01-12 18:30:10 <brocktice> if you join slush's pool you'll get about 0.09BTC every 1.5 hours.
608 2011-01-12 18:30:13 <brocktice> right now
609 2011-01-12 18:31:00 <brocktice> don't forget to calculate your power bill
610 2011-01-12 18:31:13 <nevezen> can you run the gpu and cpu generation at the same time?
611 2011-01-12 18:31:17 <brocktice> yeah
612 2011-01-12 18:31:25 <brocktice> not much point though, and it can slow down the GPU a little
613 2011-01-12 18:31:26 <sipa> it's not worth it typically
614 2011-01-12 18:31:33 <lfm> nevezen yes, run both
615 2011-01-12 18:31:34 <brocktice> at which point you come out behind
616 2011-01-12 18:31:37 <nevezen> I see..
617 2011-01-12 18:31:43 <sipa> for me, it slows down the GPU mining more than what the CPU mining gains
618 2011-01-12 18:31:45 <brocktice> I use my miner's CPUs to run some buildbots that get fired occasionally
619 2011-01-12 18:32:17 <lfm> buildbots?
620 2011-01-12 18:32:27 <nevezen> does m0mchil's client support multiple graphics cards?
621 2011-01-12 18:32:35 <brocktice> kind of
622 2011-01-12 18:32:35 <nevezen> eg SLI/crossfire?
623 2011-01-12 18:32:38 <brocktice> no
624 2011-01-12 18:32:39 <sipa> nevezen: just run multiple instances
625 2011-01-12 18:32:42 <brocktice> turn off crossfire
626 2011-01-12 18:32:45 <brocktice> you can use my daemon too
627 2011-01-12 18:33:06 <brocktice> https://github.com/brocktice/poclbm
628 2011-01-12 18:33:11 <brocktice> it tracks m0mchil's miner
629 2011-01-12 18:33:19 <brocktice> designed for headless mining on multiple GPUs
630 2011-01-12 18:33:22 <sipa> tracks?
631 2011-01-12 18:33:30 <brocktice> So, I forked his code
632 2011-01-12 18:33:37 <brocktice> and for a while I had a whole separate miner
633 2011-01-12 18:33:43 <brocktice> but it was getting too hard to keep up with changes
634 2011-01-12 18:33:48 <sipa> i also made some modifications to his miner
635 2011-01-12 18:33:52 <brocktice> so I moved all the important stuff into BitcoinMiner.py
636 2011-01-12 18:33:57 <midnightmagic> easier to merge with something like perforce..
637 2011-01-12 18:34:04 <brocktice> Which he agreed to pull
638 2011-01-12 18:34:16 <brocktice> so now my daemon script and his poclbm.py both use the BitcoinMiner python module
639 2011-01-12 18:34:23 <sipa> i see
640 2011-01-12 18:34:24 <brocktice> makes it easy to write your own interface.
641 2011-01-12 18:34:40 <brocktice> So mine is basically just a different user interface for his miner.
642 2011-01-12 18:34:48 <nevezen> wait, do you still need to run the standard bitcoin software when you pool mine?
643 2011-01-12 18:34:49 <brocktice> the work is all done in the same code.
644 2011-01-12 18:34:52 <brocktice> no
645 2011-01-12 18:34:52 <sipa> nevezen: no
646 2011-01-12 18:35:02 <sipa> you can of course
647 2011-01-12 18:35:10 <sipa> but it's unrelated
648 2011-01-12 18:35:12 <nevezen> oh, I thought it was necessary
649 2011-01-12 18:35:24 <sipa> you use the "client" of the pool
650 2011-01-12 18:35:28 <sipa> instead of your own
651 2011-01-12 18:35:46 <nevezen> so just run m0mchil's client without the official bitcoin software
652 2011-01-12 18:35:51 <nevezen> it's standalone...
653 2011-01-12 18:36:21 <lfm> you can move your coins to mybitcoin.com or some such and not need to run a local bitcoin
654 2011-01-12 18:37:15 <nevezen> mybitcoin.com keeps track of your addresses?
655 2011-01-12 18:37:21 <lfm> yes
656 2011-01-12 18:37:46 <nevezen> how is it different than just running bitcoin yourself?
657 2011-01-12 18:38:26 <lfm> saves disk space and bandwidth. turns over security to mybitcoin.com
658 2011-01-12 18:38:46 <nevezen> I guess if you fire up bitcoin yourself, it needs to collect blocks, make connections, recieve confirmations, etc, right?
659 2011-01-12 18:38:54 <Cusipzzz> 'turns over security to mybitcoin.com' - yuck
660 2011-01-12 18:38:58 <brocktice> It lets you use bitcoin from another computer
661 2011-01-12 18:38:59 <lfm> right
662 2011-01-12 18:39:13 <brocktice> It's a good 'wallet' vs. savings / safe deposit
663 2011-01-12 18:39:24 <nevezen> do they take commission?
664 2011-01-12 18:39:26 <brocktice> put a few hundred BTC in there, like a checking account.
665 2011-01-12 18:39:29 <brocktice> no I think donations
666 2011-01-12 18:39:36 <lfm> nope, its free
667 2011-01-12 18:39:45 <midnightmagic> "That's right. MyBitcoin is completely free. We are supported by selling small text ads that are in our login area. We are also planning on selling support packages in the near future."
668 2011-01-12 18:40:00 <brocktice> they should make money off their merchant services
669 2011-01-12 18:40:05 <slush> midnightmagic: you are behind mybitcoin?
670 2011-01-12 18:40:11 <brocktice> of course, for that to happen their shopping cart needs to be better.
671 2011-01-12 18:40:16 <midnightmagic> no, goodness no.
672 2011-01-12 18:40:20 <Cusipzzz> caveat emptor. hope he doesn't get a coke habit.
673 2011-01-12 18:40:23 <slush> midnightmagic: oh, it was copy&paste, sorry :)
674 2011-01-12 18:40:38 <midnightmagic> np man!
675 2011-01-12 18:40:38 <slush> so, who is behind it?
676 2011-01-12 18:40:53 <Cusipzzz> or how do you know how good _his_ security is? one sql_inkection away from losing it all.
677 2011-01-12 18:41:06 <midnightmagic> "Tom Williams"?
678 2011-01-12 18:42:22 <lfm> cusipzzz note that this guy already lost one wallt.dat to lack of backups at home so which is the greate r risk?
679 2011-01-12 18:42:32 <Cusipzzz> lfm: lol
680 2011-01-12 18:43:19 <Cusipzzz> somehow i'd feel better about losing my own wallet.dat that having xyz online service lose it for me.
681 2011-01-12 18:43:31 <nevezen> I still have doubts on the actual worth of coins though
682 2011-01-12 18:43:32 <nanotube> nevezen: just give me your bitcoins, i'll keep them for you, at a modest charge of 1% per year. :)
683 2011-01-12 18:43:39 <nevezen> :)
684 2011-01-12 18:44:00 <nanotube> nevezen: well, all we can know is the current worth, not future worth - which is true for any asset.
685 2011-01-12 18:44:03 <nanotube> ;;bc,mtgox
686 2011-01-12 18:44:04 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.3557,"low":0.318,"vol":29077,"buy":0.3185,"sell":0.3549,"last":0.3557}}
687 2011-01-12 18:44:10 <lfm> nevezen the best source for that info is generally mtgox.com
688 2011-01-12 18:44:15 <nanotube> you can currently sell them at .3x usd/btc.
689 2011-01-12 18:44:46 <lfm> imho
690 2011-01-12 18:48:14 <brocktice> at least on linux or mac os x backups of your wallet.dat are easy
691 2011-01-12 18:48:37 <brocktice> 1) install dropbox
692 2011-01-12 18:48:38 <nevezen> I mean, has there been real transactions occuring via bitcoin? Like sending or recieving something tangible (products, goods, etc)?
693 2011-01-12 18:48:44 <brocktice> yeah
694 2011-01-12 18:48:49 <brocktice> I've bought some stuff
695 2011-01-12 18:48:54 <brocktice> sold a rackmount server
696 2011-01-12 18:48:56 <nevezen> using bitcoins?
697 2011-01-12 18:48:58 <brocktice> yep
698 2011-01-12 18:49:02 <nevezen> hmmmm
699 2011-01-12 18:49:12 <brocktice> bought about $300 worth of gold
700 2011-01-12 18:49:13 <nevezen> may I ask how many bitcoins you've recieved?
701 2011-01-12 18:49:17 <brocktice> for the server?
702 2011-01-12 18:49:21 <lfm> I have collected a couple rewards for programming projects
703 2011-01-12 18:49:32 <brocktice> I don't remember, it was equivalent to about $250 with shipping.
704 2011-01-12 18:49:35 <brocktice> it was an old server
705 2011-01-12 18:49:43 <brocktice> still good, but 32 bit and I needed to upgrade to 64
706 2011-01-12 18:49:54 <nevezen> yeah, the server.
707 2011-01-12 18:49:56 <brocktice> yay biddingpond
708 2011-01-12 18:50:23 <brocktice> I paid tcatm 1000 as a bounty for an android client
709 2011-01-12 18:50:38 <nevezen> I've yet to try linking wallet.dat to my dropbox account
710 2011-01-12 18:50:43 <brocktice> oh right
711 2011-01-12 18:50:46 <brocktice> so, 1) install dropbox
712 2011-01-12 18:50:55 <brocktice> 2) write a bash script that uses bitcoind's dump wallet feature
713 2011-01-12 18:50:59 <nevezen> but if it's as easy as symlinking wallet.dat, it shouldn't be a problem..
714 2011-01-12 18:51:05 <brocktice> 3) the script then gpg encrypts the backup to yourself
715 2011-01-12 18:51:11 <brocktice> 4) then the script puts the file on Dropbox.
716 2011-01-12 18:51:19 <brocktice> Dropbox (unlike jungledisk) can see all your files
717 2011-01-12 18:51:23 <brocktice> so I don't recommend just symlinking.
718 2011-01-12 18:51:34 <brocktice> crontab -e to run the script hourly or whatever
719 2011-01-12 18:51:39 <nevezen> oh, but wouldn't wallet.dat be locked when in use?
720 2011-01-12 18:51:56 <brocktice> no
721 2011-01-12 18:51:56 <midnightmagic> and then take your gpg keys and put them on a dvd+r and put it in a safety deposit box. :)
722 2011-01-12 18:52:04 <brocktice> bitcoind backupwallet $outputfilename
723 2011-01-12 18:52:23 <brocktice> works while it's running
724 2011-01-12 18:52:44 <brocktice> anyway, so even if your wallet gets corrupted at some point, with dropbox you can go back to previous revisions
725 2011-01-12 18:52:51 <brocktice> happened to me, recovered successfully
726 2011-01-12 18:52:52 <nevezen> right
727 2011-01-12 18:53:07 <brocktice> http://pastebin.com/xJ3ZjymT
728 2011-01-12 18:53:24 <brocktice> modify to match your paths etc etc
729 2011-01-12 18:54:48 <nevezen> I'm using windows unfortunately :)
730 2011-01-12 18:55:21 <brocktice> I'm sorry to hear that.
731 2011-01-12 18:57:15 <nathan7> Aww, poor guy.
732 2011-01-12 18:58:53 <newsham> found an old AOL 9.0 cd, unopened, pristine condition.  anyone want it for 10BTC + shipping?
733 2011-01-12 18:59:31 <Diablo-D3> I have a whole drawer of those
734 2011-01-12 18:59:34 <satamusic> lol
735 2011-01-12 19:02:47 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: why?
736 2011-01-12 19:02:58 <newsham> to sell for btc, obviously!
737 2011-01-12 19:03:40 <brocktice> I already throw away useless CDs on a weekly basis
738 2011-01-12 19:03:45 <brocktice> Who on earth would buy AOL cds?
739 2011-01-12 19:03:56 <newsham> http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-AOL-DISK-COLLECTION-1-1-1-5-2-0-2-5-3-0-RARE-/360210773557?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53de3c3635
740 2011-01-12 19:04:01 <nevezen> haha
741 2011-01-12 19:04:08 <brocktice> well
742 2011-01-12 19:04:11 <systemfault> brocktice: Someone in need of cup coasters..
743 2011-01-12 19:04:16 <brocktice> it's hard to get 3.5" floppies anymore
744 2011-01-12 19:04:22 <newsham> aol cds are very impressive
745 2011-01-12 19:04:24 <newsham> (in the microwave)
746 2011-01-12 19:05:40 <lfm> i have an aol 5.0 here?
747 2011-01-12 19:09:28 <nevezen> everything the miner sends via network isn't obfuscated in some way? All in the clear?
748 2011-01-12 19:10:39 <lfm> pretty much unencrypted ya. it uses cryptographically secure hashes to ensure data integrity tho
749 2011-01-12 19:11:59 <lfm> not really any point to encrypt the txn since anyone can join the net and get all the info anyway
750 2011-01-12 19:13:02 <kiba> pretty crazy that 9000 dollars moved today
751 2011-01-12 19:13:16 <nathan7> not OVER NINE THOUSAND?
752 2011-01-12 19:14:20 <lfm> if it was over $10000 we' all have to report it to various government departments by law
753 2011-01-12 19:14:35 <ArtForzZz> errr, no
754 2011-01-12 19:14:54 <lfm> or owuld it be just mtgox?
755 2011-01-12 19:15:36 <ArtForzZz> iirc it's over $1000/day for a single customer
756 2011-01-12 19:16:04 <lfm> pretty sure its any single txn over 10000 here
757 2011-01-12 19:16:17 <ArtForzZz> well, 10000 is > 1000, no?
758 2011-01-12 19:16:25 <lfm> might be /day, dunno really
759 2011-01-12 19:16:28 <ArtForzZz> also depends on countryx obviously
760 2011-01-12 19:17:20 <newsham> money laundering
761 2011-01-12 19:17:27 <lfm> ya
762 2011-01-12 19:17:37 <ArtForzZz> yup
763 2011-01-12 19:20:47 <lyspooner> What's the lowest historical ratio of difficulty/BTCper$ since September?  ArtForzZz, you know?
764 2011-01-12 19:20:57 <ArtForzZz> nope
765 2011-01-12 19:21:12 <nevezen> can you run bitcoin with the same wallet.dat file on multiple computers?
766 2011-01-12 19:21:20 <lyspooner> i mean $perBTC
767 2011-01-12 19:21:46 <lfm> nevezen nope, you need different wallets on each system really
768 2011-01-12 19:22:47 <nevezen> I'm looking at mining.bitcoin.cz..
769 2011-01-12 19:22:52 <lfm> nevezen use mybitcoin.com if you want to access a balance from many places
770 2011-01-12 19:23:12 <nevezen> so if I wanted to add a second worker, it has to be a different wallet.dat?
771 2011-01-12 19:23:42 <lfm> just different address I think
772 2011-01-12 19:24:10 <ArtForzZz> iirc you can have as many workers as you want on a single addr
773 2011-01-12 19:24:14 <lfm> maybe can even be the same address. depending on the pool
774 2011-01-12 19:24:18 <ArtForzZz> you just have to create a l/p for each one
775 2011-01-12 19:24:58 <nevezen> l/p?
776 2011-01-12 19:27:17 <ArtForzZz> login/password
777 2011-01-12 19:29:34 <nevezen> OH, right. It's not an issue.. since I'm only using poclbm and it doesn't access wallet.dat..
778 2011-01-12 19:29:45 <ArtForzZz> yep
779 2011-01-12 19:30:06 <nevezen> that actually makes it very portable then
780 2011-01-12 19:32:31 <tcatm> luke-jr: ping?
781 2011-01-12 19:33:01 <luke-jr> ?
782 2011-01-12 19:33:16 <Diablo-D3> nevezen: why would it?
783 2011-01-12 19:34:00 <lyspooner> tcatm, can you show me difficulty/$perBTC over time?  if you're not busy
784 2011-01-12 19:34:25 <tcatm> luke-jr: query_form() fails on invalid queries (like ?foo)
785 2011-01-12 19:34:31 <nevezen> I guess you can take poclbm and it's files, pack it onto a usb stick, and run it on any computer that has a supported GPU card.
786 2011-01-12 19:34:38 <luke-jr> tcatm: as it should?
787 2011-01-12 19:35:00 <nanotube> nevezen: yes you could.
788 2011-01-12 19:35:17 <tcatm> luke-jr: mkay
789 2011-01-12 19:35:46 <brocktice> nevezen: I guess you can take poclbm and it's files, pack it onto a rootkit, and run it on any computers in a botnet that have a supported GPU card.
790 2011-01-12 19:36:05 <brocktice> but as I have said before, people would probably notice
791 2011-01-12 19:36:09 <brocktice> due to the fan noise and heat
792 2011-01-12 19:36:22 <nanotube> unless you throttle
793 2011-01-12 19:36:35 <nanotube> 10% of 1000 gpus each is not bad either. :)
794 2011-01-12 19:37:59 <nevezen> oh botnet.. even better. But that would be kind of illegal..
795 2011-01-12 19:38:04 <midnightmagic> i have a vague notion it wouldn't be worth it, either.
796 2011-01-12 19:39:31 <ArtForzZz> not to mention hard to pull off without being traceable
797 2011-01-12 19:41:38 <nanotube> ArtForzZz: well, used with a mining pool... it'd only be traceable to your pool account, which in turn is only traceable to a bitcoin address (launderable) and an email address (single-purpose address established on a freemail provider). so not so hard, it seems.
798 2011-01-12 19:42:05 <nanotube> i'm sure the day of a bitcoin-generating botnet is just around the corner. :)
799 2011-01-12 19:42:08 <ArtForzZz> yep
800 2011-01-12 19:43:46 <ArtForzZz> and that pool operatur surely wont notice # of connected nodes suddenly quintupling
801 2011-01-12 19:43:52 <ArtForzZz> *# of connected miners
802 2011-01-12 19:44:08 <sipa> i'm sure you can create a simple miner-multiplexer :)
803 2011-01-12 19:44:13 <midnightmagic> it would have to operate for a sustained period of time, difficulty would scale up considerably, normal people would stop mining, people would be wondering who's mining all the coins..
804 2011-01-12 19:45:05 <ArtForzZz> should be fun to watch
805 2011-01-12 19:45:35 <midnightmagic> and artforz would go track them down and shoot them in the head because his structured asics would suddenly be useless.
806 2011-01-12 19:45:56 <nanotube> ArtForzZz: or starting own pool. all you need is an anonymous vps bought via bitcoins, to run your bitcoind.
807 2011-01-12 19:46:07 <brocktice> on the contrary
808 2011-01-12 19:46:10 <brocktice> There would be all the more demand for his ASICs
809 2011-01-12 19:46:22 <ArtForzZz> oh, and dont forget secretly installing dev GPU drivers
810 2011-01-12 19:46:30 <midnightmagic> they'd be cheating economically. nobody normal could ever compete.
811 2011-01-12 19:46:35 <nanotube> heh well yea that too.
812 2011-01-12 19:46:38 <midnightmagic> nor even art. :)
813 2011-01-12 19:46:41 <ArtForzZz> I wouldnt be too sure
814 2011-01-12 19:46:46 <brocktice> Part of the point of mining for bitcoins is to protect from things like that
815 2011-01-12 19:46:51 <tcatm> lyspooner: there was a website somehwere that showed difficulty/block and you can get totalbc at block from http://blockexplorer.com/q/
816 2011-01-12 19:51:25 <midnightmagic> it would be tough to compete with a botnet, economically. it would require massive capital outlay, but the botnet owners have no capital outlay except for software deployment costs.
817 2011-01-12 19:52:05 <nanotube> yea using other people's hardware and power is hard to beat, cost-wise. :)
818 2011-01-12 19:52:10 <midnightmagic> it would be a bitcoin war of attrition, prices would drop as each undercut the other for incoming costs.
819 2011-01-12 19:52:59 <ArtForzZz> well, try it
820 2011-01-12 19:53:29 <midnightmagic> i'm not a blackhat.
821 2011-01-12 19:53:33 <ArtForzZz> botnet operators tried to compete with with GPU clusters for s3 sim unlocking... not for long
822 2011-01-12 19:53:58 <midnightmagic> ooOooo that sounds exciting. i never heard about that.
823 2011-01-12 19:54:28 <nanotube> yea but can gpu clusters compete with botnet gpu clusters? :) once there are enough botted boxes with modern gpus and fresh drivers installed... it's not impossible.
824 2011-01-12 19:54:47 <midnightmagic> it would be interesting, because not everyone has a good video card installed.
825 2011-01-12 19:55:16 <ArtForzZz> I suspect there isnt much overlap between zombies and good gaming boxes
826 2011-01-12 19:55:26 <midnightmagic> =]
827 2011-01-12 19:55:40 <ArtForzZz> and pretty much nobody else has a decent GPU
828 2011-01-12 19:56:39 <nanotube> i dunno, all those gamers downloading pirated infected games off piratebay.... :)
829 2011-01-12 19:56:53 <sipa> nice one!
830 2011-01-12 19:57:05 <ArtForzZz> yep
831 2011-01-12 19:57:21 <sipa> just find a nice new heavy game, infect it, share it on all torrent sites and seed like hell :)
832 2011-01-12 19:57:25 <ArtForzZz> yet they magically dont get rooted too often
833 2011-01-12 19:57:45 <sipa> of course, the botnet also causes you to seed the game on torrent sites again
834 2011-01-12 19:58:29 <ArtForzZz> iirc theres already plenty botnets trying that
835 2011-01-12 19:59:29 <tcatm> gavinandresen: ping?
836 2011-01-12 19:59:47 <nevezen> grid computing services should pay you in bitcoins..
837 2011-01-12 20:00:51 <ArtForzZz> btw, I wonder why no one built a OpenCL DES/LM cracker yet
838 2011-01-12 20:01:24 <ArtForzZz> rough calcs say you should be able to get ~5Ghps out of a 5970
839 2011-01-12 20:01:38 <Diablo-D3> ArtForzZz: because no one gives a shit
840 2011-01-12 20:02:44 <ArtForzZz> actually it seems no one bothered to try bitslice DES on GPUs... weird
841 2011-01-12 20:03:51 <ArtForzZz> you'd have to pull a few stunts to keep register usage low enough
842 2011-01-12 20:04:06 <ArtForzZz> doesnt really look too hard though
843 2011-01-12 20:04:13 <tcatm> gavinandresen: didn't crash running under GDB, but running normal I got this now: http://pastebin.com/2Bjfg5vm
844 2011-01-12 20:22:04 <tcatm> luke-jr: I modified your parseAmount to use X8 if no exponent is given
845 2011-01-12 20:32:21 <luke-jr> tcatm: that's a bug
846 2011-01-12 20:32:41 <luke-jr> amount=5 means 0.00000005 BTC
847 2011-01-12 20:32:59 <tcatm> You can use 5X0 = 0.00000005 BTC
848 2011-01-12 20:33:16 <luke-jr> tcatm: or =5
849 2011-01-12 20:34:34 <luke-jr> tcatm: unless you want to change the spec to default to X8 for decimal and X4 for hexadecimal/tonal
850 2011-01-12 20:34:45 <luke-jr> but that seems& ugly
851 2011-01-12 20:35:14 <tcatm> Any better idea how amount=3.14 could be parsed as 3.14 BTC while still allowing exponents?
852 2011-01-12 20:35:26 <luke-jr> amount=3.14X8 should work fine
853 2011-01-12 20:35:49 <sipa> as soon as you use a dot, it's X8 ?
854 2011-01-12 20:35:53 <sipa> by default
855 2011-01-12 20:36:04 <luke-jr> sipa: that seems even worse >_<
856 2011-01-12 20:42:08 <tcatm> so we'll assume X8 by default :)
857 2011-01-12 21:16:17 <tcatm> jgarzik: js-remote (integration branch) can now parse QR codes using this scheme: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Schema
858 2011-01-12 21:19:55 <Cusipzzz> is there a limit to the number of accounts created / addresses per wallet?
859 2011-01-12 21:20:05 <tcatm> Cusipzzz: no
860 2011-01-12 21:20:12 <Cusipzzz> tcatm: ty
861 2011-01-12 21:23:15 <Cusipzzz> i like having a fat wallet =) sadly not in coins
862 2011-01-12 21:37:23 <EvanR-work> Cusipzzz: i dont understand your idea about selling access to wallets
863 2011-01-12 21:37:48 <andrew12> keep forgetting about this channel
864 2011-01-12 21:39:04 <EvanR-work> write it on your hand maybe
865 2011-01-12 21:39:21 <andrew12> i can just add it to my autojoin
866 2011-01-12 21:39:22 <andrew12> lol
867 2011-01-12 21:40:14 <edcba> tcatm: instead of specifying a multiplier in amount maybe a bitcoin scheme version should be used
868 2011-01-12 21:40:33 <edcba> ie use current COIN value for each version
869 2011-01-12 21:40:57 <Cusipzzz> EvanR-work: ?