1 2011-01-14 00:00:31 <nevezen> well is there a difference in performance between the card that's being used for gaming and the other 3 for mining?
  2 2011-01-14 00:01:07 <ArtForz> yes
  3 2011-01-14 00:01:17 <ArtForz> x16 vas x1 makes a bit of a difference
  4 2011-01-14 00:01:22 <ArtForz> it's pretty small though
  5 2011-01-14 00:01:47 <luke-jr> $(*#
  6 2011-01-14 00:02:10 <luke-jr> none of Intel's new Sandy Bridge motherboards support VT-d required to connect hardware to VMs
  7 2011-01-14 00:02:26 <luke-jr> if I want to do that, I need to wait until March for their Q67 chipset
  8 2011-01-14 00:02:30 <ArtForz> isn't intel great
  9 2011-01-14 00:02:57 <ArtForz> especially as the chipset doesn't even fucking handle VT-D on those
 10 2011-01-14 00:03:15 <luke-jr> ?
 11 2011-01-14 00:03:20 <ArtForz> *northbridge* has to handle VT-D
 12 2011-01-14 00:03:30 <ArtForz> guess where that one went with sandy bridge?
 13 2011-01-14 00:03:35 <luke-jr> into the CPU
 14 2011-01-14 00:03:39 <ArtForz> yep
 15 2011-01-14 00:03:46 <luke-jr> so you're saying it's all marketting and VT-d will work?
 16 2011-01-14 00:04:01 <ArtForz> well, if you can somehow hack the BIOS to activate it, yes
 17 2011-01-14 00:04:10 <luke-jr> o
 18 2011-01-14 00:04:23 <luke-jr> I guess no coreboot for a while XD
 19 2011-01-14 00:04:26 <ArtForz> same way most AMD desktop boards "dont support" ECC ram even though they have the physical lines
 20 2011-01-14 00:04:39 <ArtForz> BIOS just has no option to activate it
 21 2011-01-14 00:04:59 <luke-jr> sigh
 22 2011-01-14 00:05:05 <ArtForz> manually poke the proper CPU registers and hey, ECC support
 23 2011-01-14 00:05:18 <ArtForz> fun part about that one: you can do that live from within linux
 24 2011-01-14 00:06:42 <ArtForz> basically switch off ECC error reporting, switch on scrubbing with highest speed, wait a few seconds until it has written all ECC bits, switch scrubbing back to normal speed, clear error counter, switch on error reporting
 25 2011-01-14 00:07:35 <ArtForz> poke a bit line - hey look, EDAC message in syslog and mail to admin
 26 2011-01-14 00:07:56 <ArtForz> ... with a $50 Asrock board :P
 27 2011-01-14 00:08:02 <luke-jr> so is NewEgg down&?
 28 2011-01-14 00:33:20 <fabianhjr> would anyone be interested in a 20 BTC/month basic web hosting?(2 GB space - 10GB transfer)
 29 2011-01-14 00:34:56 <Cusipzzz> fabianhjr: make it 20 btc/mo vps? =)
 30 2011-01-14 00:35:30 <fabianhjr> Cusipzzz: sorry, only CPanel and FTP. xD
 31 2011-01-14 00:36:37 <Cusipzzz> fabianhjr: ahh
 32 2011-01-14 00:37:37 <fabianhjr> Anyways, what are you searching for Cusipzzz? 256 MB RAM?
 33 2011-01-14 00:37:49 <Cusipzzz> fabianhjr: small VPS
 34 2011-01-14 00:38:00 <fabianhjr> Cusipzzz: could you describe it?
 35 2011-01-14 00:38:37 <Cusipzzz> fabianhjr: 256-512: 10-20gb
 36 2011-01-14 00:39:01 <Cusipzzz> fabianhjr: choice of distro, free panel
 37 2011-01-14 00:39:34 <fabianhjr> Would you mind no backups?
 38 2011-01-14 00:39:42 <Cusipzzz> fabianhjr: that's fine...not managed obv
 39 2011-01-14 00:40:02 <fabianhjr> Bandwidth or transfer?
 40 2011-01-14 00:40:29 <Cusipzzz> not a ton, 500gb+
 41 2011-01-14 00:42:02 <fabianhjr> I will see if I can find something. 500GB/Gb/gb? Monthly or annually?
 42 2011-01-14 00:42:22 <Cusipzzz> fabianhjr: that's even a lot.. 200GB/mo+
 43 2011-01-14 00:42:31 <Cusipzzz> will not be using much
 44 2011-01-14 00:44:13 <fabianhjr> So 10Mbps is fine?
 45 2011-01-14 00:44:25 <fabianhjr> (Unmetered)
 46 2011-01-14 00:44:31 <Cusipzzz> yes
 47 2011-01-14 00:51:04 <luke-jr> fabianhjr: fail
 48 2011-01-14 00:51:30 <fabianhjr> luke-jr: why?!
 49 2011-01-14 00:51:42 <luke-jr> fabianhjr: I have VPS for 27 BTC/mo :p
 50 2011-01-14 00:52:10 <Cusipzzz> luke-jr: last time i looked it was like 40 ?
 51 2011-01-14 00:52:19 <fabianhjr> :/ And? How those that make me fail?
 52 2011-01-14 00:52:30 <luke-jr> Cusipzzz: hasn't changed
 53 2011-01-14 00:52:42 <luke-jr> fabianhjr: 20 BTC/mo for just web? :P
 54 2011-01-14 00:52:53 <Cusipzzz> hmm, maybe i'm mistaken, extra for IP or something?
 55 2011-01-14 00:53:07 <luke-jr> if you need IPv4, 7 BTC more
 56 2011-01-14 00:53:14 <Cusipzzz> ahh, that was it. and yes.
 57 2011-01-14 00:53:27 <luke-jr> this is 2011. lrn2IPv6 :p
 58 2011-01-14 00:53:29 <Cusipzzz> http://www.lowendbox.com/ - looking for the equiv, in BTC.
 59 2011-01-14 00:53:33 <Cusipzzz> lol
 60 2011-01-14 00:54:35 <Cusipzzz> 34 btc is > $10/mo ...steep =)
 61 2011-01-14 00:55:08 <luke-jr> 10 GBP is > $10/mo too :p
 62 2011-01-14 00:55:13 <Cusipzzz> lol
 63 2011-01-14 00:55:35 <Cusipzzz> not for long...Sterling is a goner, with the rest o europe soon =)
 64 2011-01-14 00:55:42 <luke-jr> lol
 65 2011-01-14 00:55:47 <noagendamarket> :)
 66 2011-01-14 00:55:51 <luke-jr> GBP tends to be > USD
 67 2011-01-14 00:56:03 <Cusipzzz> whenbarclays went under, got close to even iirc
 68 2011-01-14 00:56:11 <fabianhjr> I have to go now. See you later.
 69 2011-01-14 01:42:56 <nevezen> what's the minimum (if any) confirmations required to make a transaction valid?
 70 2011-01-14 01:43:56 <luke-jr> nevezen: that's up to the recipient:
 71 2011-01-14 01:44:04 <Cusipzzz> some people take 1, some like 3+
 72 2011-01-14 01:44:13 <luke-jr> ArtForz: have you ever tried sandbagging?
 73 2011-01-14 01:46:47 <Cusipzzz> 3 is good, in case you are surrounded by bad guys, lol
 74 2011-01-14 01:55:13 <nevezen> same here
 75 2011-01-14 01:55:41 <nevezen> saw the last few episodes of caprica and thought it closed the first season well..
 76 2011-01-14 01:56:42 <kiba`> they got the ULIMATE MISSION!
 77 2011-01-14 01:57:00 <kiba`> this is stuff that science fiction is made for! Knowledge, exploration, etc
 78 2011-01-14 01:57:24 <kiba`> I want to know what they will find out
 79 2011-01-14 01:58:35 <nevezen> it's a shame sgu is cancelled
 80 2011-01-14 01:58:42 <andrew12> I feel so cool now that I actually spent money for bitcoins =o
 81 2011-01-14 01:58:46 <nevezen> syfy is no longer cool
 82 2011-01-14 01:58:48 <andrew12> s/=o/=p/
 83 2011-01-14 01:59:23 <andrew12> nevezen: they stopped being cool when they renamed themselves from scifi to syfy.
 84 2011-01-14 02:00:37 <nevezen> sgu will be the last show I watch once they release the last few episodes
 85 2011-01-14 02:00:59 <kiba`> for the love of god, why do they stop the show in mid-week?
 86 2011-01-14 02:01:12 <kiba`> err
 87 2011-01-14 02:01:16 <kiba`> mid-season?
 88 2011-01-14 02:02:51 <molecular> ;;bc,mtgox
 89 2011-01-14 02:02:52 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.405,"low":0.3176,"vol":14628,"buy":0.32,"sell":0.355,"last":0.365}}
 90 2011-01-14 02:07:03 <kiba`> nevezen: a lot of people hate SGU though. I like it.
 91 2011-01-14 02:43:32 <nevezen> I like it. I just hate syfy (the company)
 92 2011-01-14 02:45:17 <kiba`> well
 93 2011-01-14 02:45:24 <kiba`> I have a movie to look forward to
 94 2011-01-14 02:45:26 <kiba`> Gantz
 95 2011-01-14 02:45:36 <kiba`> most badass sci-fi manga I ever read
 96 2011-01-14 03:19:04 <kiba`> nothing like bad news raining on your favorite fiction
 97 2011-01-14 03:27:48 <xelister> nanotube: hi, around?
 98 2011-01-14 03:27:56 <nanotube> yo xelister
 99 2011-01-14 03:32:35 <nevezen> so someone with lots of the network's cpu power (or I guess mostly gpu's now) can "prevent some or all transactions from gaining any confirmations"
100 2011-01-14 03:33:04 <nevezen> that's mildly amusing
101 2011-01-14 03:36:26 <nanotube> nevezen: that's if they have >50% of total network compute power
102 2011-01-14 03:37:34 <nevezen> I'm assuming it's already been accomplished?
103 2011-01-14 03:42:28 <lfm> I dont think it has happened
104 2011-01-14 03:45:14 <nevezen> so people who use gpgpu for mining still represent a fraction of the total network of computing power?
105 2011-01-14 03:45:26 <nanotube> total network power is about 150 ghps now
106 2011-01-14 03:45:39 <nanotube> as far as we know, nobody has >50% of that.
107 2011-01-14 03:45:47 <nanotube> or if they do, they're not using it to prevent tx confirmations. :)
108 2011-01-14 03:47:56 <lfm> "people who use gpu for mining" are not all working together.
109 2011-01-14 03:50:38 <kiba`> the most fatal weakness of libertarianism is the inability to work together
110 2011-01-14 03:51:23 <hacim> so that is how the gov. can shut it down
111 2011-01-14 03:51:25 <kiba`> the zeal for consistency is a nice trait though
112 2011-01-14 03:52:43 <kiba`> one of the only idealogy that I know of that doesn't kill itself through hypocriscy
113 2011-01-14 03:57:54 <mrb_> 16:18 < ArtForz> I suspect thats 400k SHA1 iterations per second, or about 40k PBKDF2 hashes/s
114 2011-01-14 03:57:58 <mrb_> No, the author really means 400k PBKDF2 hashes/s: he quoted numbers of 8 EC2 GPU instances (can be deducted from his "28 cents/min quote" since a single instance is 3.5 cents/min)
115 2011-01-14 03:58:47 <mrb_> 16:21 < ArtForz> a 5970 can test about 80k PW/s
116 2011-01-14 03:58:56 <mrb_> actually a 5970 can do 145k PBKDF2 hashes/s (the pyrit devs have not updated their benchmark graph in a while), so 3 5970s would beat 8 EC2 GPU instances :)
117 2011-01-14 04:00:26 <xelister> 5970 > sex
118 2011-01-14 04:01:29 <nevezen> is the 5970 the latest?
119 2011-01-14 04:01:46 <mrb_> nope, but it's the fastest
120 2011-01-14 04:02:10 <nevezen> faster than newer stuff?
121 2011-01-14 04:02:49 <mrb_> yes, because AMD has not finished releasing all the newer 6xxx models
122 2011-01-14 04:03:18 <mrb_> they do this over a couple months, so the 5970 will be dethroned in ~1 month by the 6990
123 2011-01-14 04:03:22 <nevezen> so the 5970 is the best bang for the buck at the moment
124 2011-01-14 04:04:21 <mrb_> pretty much. although some lower-end GPUs are so cheap they may beat it in terms of perf/$ by a small margin
125 2011-01-14 04:05:45 <nevezen> what's the maximum output seen so far of a single 5970?
126 2011-01-14 04:05:51 <mrb_> output of what?
127 2011-01-14 04:05:58 <nevezen> hash/s
128 2011-01-14 04:06:04 <mrb_> Bitcoin hash/s?
129 2011-01-14 04:06:06 <nevezen> yes
130 2011-01-14 04:06:16 <mrb_> 570 Mhash/s for one 5970
131 2011-01-14 04:06:40 <lfm> 600 or more with overclocking I think
132 2011-01-14 04:06:41 <nevezen> damn
133 2011-01-14 04:07:41 <nevezen> SLI/crossfire won't make it go faster?
134 2011-01-14 04:07:57 <mrb_> 2 x 5970 makes it 2 x faster
135 2011-01-14 04:08:15 <nevezen> but it's not running in parallel is it?
136 2011-01-14 04:08:25 <mrb_> yes, in parallel
137 2011-01-14 04:08:28 <lfm> they all can be used but it doesnt help to cross connect them
138 2011-01-14 04:08:43 <nevezen> yeah, that's what I meant
139 2011-01-14 04:08:49 <mrb_> correct, crossfire can (and should be) disabled to scale on multiple GPUs
140 2011-01-14 04:09:09 <nevezen> same with SLI/nvidia?
141 2011-01-14 04:09:12 <mrb_> to allow the software to see the multiple GPUs and handle them independently
142 2011-01-14 04:09:20 <mrb_> not sure about SLI. I don't use Nvidia.
143 2011-01-14 05:12:43 <grondilu> I'm stuck with euros on bitcoin-central.  Nobody wants to sell bitcoins :(
144 2011-01-14 05:13:55 <nanotube> they do, just not at a good price. :)
145 2011-01-14 05:15:19 <xelister> grondilu: I may want
146 2011-01-14 05:15:26 <grondilu> good
147 2011-01-14 05:15:39 <xelister> (or I know someone)
148 2011-01-14 05:15:45 <xelister> you wire EUR to IBAN account?
149 2011-01-14 05:15:53 <xelister> s/wire/make bank transfer
150 2011-01-14 05:16:01 <grondilu> no I'm talking about orders on bitcoin-central
151 2011-01-14 05:16:06 <xelister> hmm
152 2011-01-14 05:16:16 <xelister> what is that site btw? creditable?
153 2011-01-14 05:16:31 <grondilu> It's davout's site
154 2011-01-14 05:16:41 <nanotube> xelister: yes, so far credible. code is foss, too
155 2011-01-14 05:16:57 <grondilu> It's an open-source plateform indeed
156 2011-01-14 05:17:03 <grondilu> and the guy is cool so far
157 2011-01-14 05:17:39 <grondilu> I have a 0.29 EUR/BTC bid
158 2011-01-14 05:18:25 <gribble> .29 euros = 0.3869 US dollars
159 2011-01-14 05:18:25 <nanotube> ;;google calc .29 eur in usd
160 2011-01-14 05:18:33 <nanotube> oh, pretty decent.
161 2011-01-14 05:22:07 <xelister> I wonder if the price will level off and 0.40 .. and continue to rise?
162 2011-01-14 05:22:14 <xelister> 1.00 USD this year? what you think ;)
163 2011-01-14 05:22:25 <nanotube> a year is a long time. could be. :)
164 2011-01-14 05:23:06 <nanotube> if barriers to entry go down, and people can more easily convert fiat to bitcoin, definitely possible.
165 2011-01-14 05:25:43 <kiba`> 2 USD for each bitcoin this year!
166 2011-01-14 05:26:33 <kiba`> that's the new year's resolution bitcoin set for itself
167 2011-01-14 05:27:04 <kiba`> and we as vessel of bitcoin shall help bitcoin achevie said goal!
168 2011-01-14 05:27:56 <kiba`> good night
169 2011-01-14 05:33:25 <lfm> actually just as btc nears maybe 50 cents it will stall and crash
170 2011-01-14 05:57:07 <Diablo-D3> http://i.imgur.com/rGtgr.jpg
171 2011-01-14 06:03:15 <lfm> good one
172 2011-01-14 06:04:53 <Diablo-D3> http://www.fark.com/comments/5882643?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+fark%2FHifS+%28Pluck%27s+redirected+Fark+feed%29
173 2011-01-14 06:05:11 <Diablo-D3> see Barbigazi's pots
174 2011-01-14 06:05:13 <Diablo-D3> its near the top
175 2011-01-14 06:08:23 <Diablo-D3> I dunno, as for Jesuses go, Obama wouldnt be a bad one
176 2011-01-14 06:29:06 <xelister> what the fuck?
177 2011-01-14 06:29:08 <xelister> She was shot through the head at point-blank range
178 2011-01-14 06:29:18 <xelister> and now she opens eyes, move hands etc???
179 2011-01-14 06:29:27 <xelister> bullet went throuh the brain, right?
180 2011-01-14 06:29:55 <nevezen> she's still alive?
181 2011-01-14 06:33:38 <mrb_> "The bullet had passed through Giffords' head without crossing the midline of the brain, where the most critical injuries result."
182 2011-01-14 06:34:48 <xelister> mrb_: yeah but wtf it obviously took out probably at least 5% of brain mass, destroying like anothre 5%
183 2011-01-14 06:35:00 <xelister> so at best she will be a vegetable?
184 2011-01-14 06:36:02 <mrb_> I don't know. I am amazed she is alive.
185 2011-01-14 07:45:58 <slush> hi, when I want to use two PSUs for one computer (errm, for example, third GPU), is there something special what I should do? For example, connect grounds of those PSUs?
186 2011-01-14 08:02:06 <Diablo-D3> slush: you get a starter for the second PSU
187 2011-01-14 08:02:11 <Diablo-D3> ask art
188 2011-01-14 08:02:50 <slush> Diablo-D3: 'starter'?
189 2011-01-14 08:03:00 <slush> ok, I'll ask
190 2011-01-14 08:03:15 <Diablo-D3> a plug you put on it to make it startup
191 2011-01-14 08:03:24 <Diablo-D3> you really just have to bridge two pins with something but meh
192 2011-01-14 08:03:42 <slush> oh, connect 'start' pin in ATX header, right?
193 2011-01-14 08:06:36 <Diablo-D3> yeah
194 2011-01-14 09:02:23 <slush> Diablo-D3: I have one feature request to your miner (to others too, but you are online now :) ).
195 2011-01-14 09:02:35 <slush> Diablo-D3: Add gzip support for getwork
196 2011-01-14 09:03:12 <slush> (It should be already in some batter-included library for HTTP in java)
197 2011-01-14 09:03:17 <slush> *battery
198 2011-01-14 09:03:36 <Diablo-D3> erm
199 2011-01-14 09:03:41 <Diablo-D3> it should already work
200 2011-01-14 09:03:57 <Diablo-D3> make sure you're adding gzip properly to the http headers
201 2011-01-14 09:04:29 <slush> are you sending Accept-Encoding: gzip in headers?
202 2011-01-14 09:04:38 <Diablo-D3> Im not sending anything
203 2011-01-14 09:04:40 <Diablo-D3> thats up to java
204 2011-01-14 09:04:44 <slush> and that's all
205 2011-01-14 09:04:58 <slush> I cannot response with gzip when miner don't allow it...
206 2011-01-14 09:05:09 <Diablo-D3> except Im pretty sure java is already sending it
207 2011-01-14 09:05:10 <slush> please take a look, it should be very easy to allow..
208 2011-01-14 09:05:26 <Diablo-D3> if java isnt adding it, file a bug report with Oracle
209 2011-01-14 09:06:43 <slush> do you know what content type is miner sending? (sorry, I'm not on console now)
210 2011-01-14 09:06:54 <Diablo-D3> nope.
211 2011-01-14 09:07:29 <joe_1> who here hates wikipedia
212 2011-01-14 09:07:40 <Diablo-D3> I dont.
213 2011-01-14 09:08:30 <Tritonio> joe_1: are you thinking of the deletion of bitcoin's article?
214 2011-01-14 09:08:38 <Diablo-D3> slush: does your server have gzip enabled?
215 2011-01-14 09:09:00 <slush> yep, but I changed configuration slightly, so I will see
216 2011-01-14 09:09:09 <slush> I have to check content types, which miners are sending
217 2011-01-14 09:09:22 <Diablo-D3> I can probably force it on, but ick
218 2011-01-14 09:09:46 <slush> I'll check http headers which you send
219 2011-01-14 09:10:01 <Tritonio> ick?
220 2011-01-14 09:10:11 <joe_1> wikipedia is deleting everything now, and it's pointless
221 2011-01-14 09:10:12 <Diablo-D3> Tritonio: yes, slush is trying to bloat my app
222 2011-01-14 09:10:17 <slush> ..if there will be appropriate accept-encoding, then it will be on my side, probably
223 2011-01-14 09:10:32 <Tritonio> Diablo-D3: what doesn ick mean?
224 2011-01-14 09:10:54 <Diablo-D3> it means ick.
225 2011-01-14 09:11:33 <Tritonio> joe_1: what are they deleting? They probably want only the best articles left, I agree it's bad. They could just mark them and not view them by default. But I preffer a crappy and biased article than no article at all...
226 2011-01-14 09:11:42 <AAA_awright> Short for icky.
227 2011-01-14 09:12:00 <AAA_awright> Short for yucky.
228 2011-01-14 09:12:07 <Tritonio> AAA_awright: aha..... :-)
229 2011-01-14 09:13:08 <AAA_awright> A regional thing as far as I know, like wicked good and such
230 2011-01-14 09:13:09 <joe_1> one thing they're attacking is lists, which used to be very useful for many articles
231 2011-01-14 09:14:16 <joe_1> what is wxwidgets and how does bitcoin use it
232 2011-01-14 09:14:29 <Diablo-D3> its a ui toolkit wrapper
233 2011-01-14 09:14:34 <Rhonda> huhm, I have a host that has vmware-hostd running on port 8333 - how can I get bitcoind started there? :)
234 2011-01-14 09:14:35 <Diablo-D3> joe_1: you need to google.
235 2011-01-14 09:14:45 <Diablo-D3> Rhonda: tell vmware to use a different port
236 2011-01-14 09:15:01 <Rhonda> Diablo-D3: Can't I tell bitcoind to use a different port?
237 2011-01-14 09:15:25 <Diablo-D3> no
238 2011-01-14 09:15:33 <Diablo-D3> no other client would be able to connect to you
239 2011-01-14 09:15:42 <slush> that's crappy
240 2011-01-14 09:18:42 <lolcat> not really
241 2011-01-14 09:18:59 <lolcat> That means I only have to open one port to use bitcoin
242 2011-01-14 09:22:48 <slush> wow, I see that many miners are behind tor. That must be slow as hell.
243 2011-01-14 09:23:11 <Diablo-D3> hwh
244 2011-01-14 09:23:26 <slush> ...and explain a lot why many workers submit >30s old jobs
245 2011-01-14 09:23:47 <slush> ...so best time to switch pool algorithm to count only effective jobs :)
246 2011-01-14 09:24:57 <dsg> slush: Do you have any data on how much inefficiency is incurred due to tor delays for those miners?
247 2011-01-14 09:25:39 <slush> I don't know about stats for tor miners, but pool overhead for working on innefective data is between 2-3%
248 2011-01-14 09:25:55 <slush> which is slightly more than expected (1-2%)
249 2011-01-14 09:26:15 <slush> mostly because people set their miners to nonstandard settings (tor, crunching one job for longer time and so)
250 2011-01-14 09:28:03 <dsg> ok, not too bad.
251 2011-01-14 09:31:06 <joe_1> diablo why do you like wikipedia
252 2011-01-14 09:31:23 <Diablo-D3> for the porn, clearly.
253 2011-01-14 09:31:26 <joe_1> the whole point of a _wiki_ pedia is to get that information that you _wouldn't_ find in a real encyclopedia-- and that's exactly what they're deleting all the time.
254 2011-01-14 09:32:13 <lolcat> Are bitcoin in wikipedia yet?
255 2011-01-14 09:32:23 <joe_1> after a huge fight it was included yes
256 2011-01-14 09:38:11 <lolcat> Nice
257 2011-01-14 09:38:19 <lolcat> Now I know what bitcoin is
258 2011-01-14 09:41:12 <lolcat> Wbat is fivegrinder
259 2011-01-14 09:41:14 <lolcat> ?
260 2011-01-14 09:41:38 <joe_1> 5grinder? isn't that some link on mt gox
261 2011-01-14 09:41:53 <Tritonio> yeap. :-)
262 2011-01-14 09:43:06 <lolcat> I don't udnerstand it though
263 2011-01-14 09:44:17 <joe_1> i would just sit back and wait for it to get popular, then ask someone what it is
264 2011-01-14 09:51:06 <Diablo-D3> slush: is pool down?
265 2011-01-14 09:53:39 <Diablo-D3> nm
266 2011-01-14 09:55:32 <slush> Diablo-D3: don't think so
267 2011-01-14 09:55:46 <Diablo-D3> no, you just turned gzip off
268 2011-01-14 09:55:55 <slush> yes, as test
269 2011-01-14 09:57:19 <lolcat> How big does the bitcoind run?
270 2011-01-14 09:57:24 <slush> will be back in few minutes
271 2011-01-14 09:58:05 <lolcat> LIke, will it use a gazzilion rams?
272 2011-01-14 09:58:13 <lolcat> Or will it fit on my vps?
273 2011-01-14 09:58:14 <Diablo-D3> lolcat: it uses nearly none
274 2011-01-14 09:58:31 <Diablo-D3> iirc its less than 32m
275 2011-01-14 09:58:35 <lolcat> I have only 256
276 2011-01-14 09:59:05 <lolcat> Can you point me in the direction for the XMPLC or whatever and pho docs?
277 2011-01-14 09:59:14 <lolcat> php*
278 2011-01-14 09:59:44 <Diablo-D3> wtf is a XMPLC?
279 2011-01-14 09:59:54 <lolcat> A socket thing
280 2011-01-14 10:00:04 <niekie> xmlrpc
281 2011-01-14 10:00:23 <lolcat> Used to connect webpages to websites
282 2011-01-14 10:00:33 <lolcat> niekie: That sounds rigth
283 2011-01-14 10:00:43 <lolcat> Does bitcoin support xmlrpc?
284 2011-01-14 10:00:53 <niekie> Yes.
285 2011-01-14 10:01:04 <Diablo-D3> no
286 2011-01-14 10:01:09 <Diablo-D3> we dont use xmlrpc.
287 2011-01-14 10:01:13 <niekie> Wait.
288 2011-01-14 10:01:18 <Diablo-D3> we use jsonrpc.
289 2011-01-14 10:01:22 <niekie> JSONRPC yeah.
290 2011-01-14 10:01:28 <slush> Diablo-D3: gzip compression is back
291 2011-01-14 10:01:32 <lolcat> Is it a lot difficulter?
292 2011-01-14 10:01:37 <niekie> Nah :)
293 2011-01-14 10:01:47 <lolcat> Can php do it?
294 2011-01-14 10:01:54 <niekie> Yes.
295 2011-01-14 10:01:55 <slush> Diablo-D3: It does not affect almost nothing, which means miners are not using gzip now
296 2011-01-14 10:01:59 <Diablo-D3> slush: but mine is.
297 2011-01-14 10:02:06 <niekie> http://jsonrpcphp.org/
298 2011-01-14 10:02:35 <slush> Diablo-D3: I see only 100kbit/s rise in traffic, which is about 10%
299 2011-01-14 10:02:48 <slush> So I cannot say it is nothing, but nothing important
300 2011-01-14 10:02:50 <lolcat> Then I need a good database that uses no ram
301 2011-01-14 10:03:03 <Diablo-D3> slush: except I just added it.
302 2011-01-14 10:03:53 <lolcat> MAybe I should use cassandra php5 and json rpc
303 2011-01-14 10:03:57 <lolcat> And ajax!
304 2011-01-14 10:04:00 <slush> Diablo-D3: oh, you added it now in trunk, right?
305 2011-01-14 10:04:24 <Diablo-D3> btw, you know what the most annoying sound ever is?
306 2011-01-14 10:04:26 <slush> Diablo-D3: Great
307 2011-01-14 10:04:28 <lolcat> Can I have several rpc sockets?
308 2011-01-14 10:04:39 <Diablo-D3> that fucking fairy from zelda game
309 2011-01-14 10:04:41 <Diablo-D3> HEY!
310 2011-01-14 10:04:45 <Diablo-D3> LOOK!
311 2011-01-14 10:04:50 <Diablo-D3> HEY!
312 2011-01-14 10:04:56 <Diablo-D3> HEY!
313 2011-01-14 10:05:16 <Diablo-D3> RAAAAAAAARGH INFINITE ANGER PILEDRIVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
314 2011-01-14 10:05:37 <niekie> o.O
315 2011-01-14 10:06:21 <joe_1> what would happen if we made blocks get generated every minute instead of every 10 minutes
316 2011-01-14 10:06:23 <CIA-106> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * r5d07458 / src/main/java/com/diablominer/DiabloMiner/DiabloMiner.java : Made network code more robust - http://bit.ly/hqxRWM
317 2011-01-14 10:06:25 <Diablo-D3> http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Navi
318 2011-01-14 10:06:27 <Diablo-D3> that cunt
319 2011-01-14 10:06:36 <Diablo-D3> joe_1: nothing.
320 2011-01-14 10:06:48 <sipa> joe_1: the number of stale blocks would increase
321 2011-01-14 10:07:02 <Diablo-D3> joe_1: the clients maintain the difficulty calculation
322 2011-01-14 10:07:05 <Diablo-D3> so you cant actually force it
323 2011-01-14 10:07:34 <joe_1> i know you cant force it, but i guess what i'm saying is, was it a poor design choice to make the difficulty based on such a long time duration target?
324 2011-01-14 10:07:41 <sipa> no
325 2011-01-14 10:08:08 <sipa> maybe it could indeed be decreased somewhat now
326 2011-01-14 10:09:04 <Diablo-D3> you could decrease it by 10
327 2011-01-14 10:09:09 <Diablo-D3> and then decrease the reward by 10
328 2011-01-14 10:09:11 <Diablo-D3> and nothing would change
329 2011-01-14 10:09:39 <joe_1> there would be benefits to a shorter duration though. less waiting for confirmations to be confident in money you're receiving
330 2011-01-14 10:09:58 <sipa> yes it would, the storage requirements would increase for clients, bandwidth usage would increase, and more stale blocks would be generated
331 2011-01-14 10:10:13 <dsg> More frequent block finding means more stringent timing requirements, and more frequent block chain splits.
332 2011-01-14 10:10:16 <dsg> indeed
333 2011-01-14 10:17:47 <slush> Diablo-D3: thanks for gzip hack :)
334 2011-01-14 10:19:25 <slush> Diablo-D3: And I see you also fixed problem with crashed connection during request. awesome!
335 2011-01-14 10:19:54 <Diablo-D3> I did?
336 2011-01-14 10:19:57 <Diablo-D3> there was one?
337 2011-01-14 10:20:12 <slush> In new code I see ???throw???new???IOException("Bitcoin???disconnected???during???response");
338 2011-01-14 10:20:19 <Diablo-D3> but... thats always been there.
339 2011-01-14 10:20:28 <slush> oh, why it is "+" and green?
340 2011-01-14 10:20:50 <slush> In commit log
341 2011-01-14 10:20:59 <Diablo-D3> because theres a matching - next to it
342 2011-01-14 10:21:05 <molecular> another newby questions to you helpful guys: blocks 102508 thru 102607 where generated within a timespan of 14h03m, that's 8.43 minutes/block... does that mean difficulty is currently set too low? when will it be changed?
343 2011-01-14 10:21:09 <Diablo-D3> slush: actually, what the fuck are you talking about?
344 2011-01-14 10:21:11 <Diablo-D3> slush: the only lines I see cover up for the fact java sucks
345 2011-01-14 10:21:21 <slush> well, I sent you traceback before few days as forum PM
346 2011-01-14 10:21:31 <Diablo-D3> wait, what forum pms?
347 2011-01-14 10:21:54 <slush> that is traceback I occasionally have. I think it was related with some corruption connection
348 2011-01-14 10:22:56 <Diablo-D3> heh
349 2011-01-14 10:23:02 <Diablo-D3> well
350 2011-01-14 10:23:03 <Diablo-D3> I already caught all those
351 2011-01-14 10:23:05 <slush> great
352 2011-01-14 10:23:10 <lfm> moleculer difficulty is adjusted at each multiple of 2016 blocks, next at 102816 i tthink
353 2011-01-14 10:23:31 <Diablo-D3> slush: but I caught those ALL OF THOSE BEFORE
354 2011-01-14 10:24:01 <Diablo-D3> the only additional shit catches the fact your pool software sucks
355 2011-01-14 10:24:11 <slush> Ok, maybe I didn't used trunk version when I reported it
356 2011-01-14 10:24:23 <slush> :) well, it looks stable now
357 2011-01-14 10:26:02 <molecular> lfm: thanks. I'm also unclear as to wether or not (and if so how) it is decided how many blocks (how much BTC) will be generated per time. Can someone point me to some more Documentation (am looking at the paper "Bitcoin: A Peer-toPeer Electronic Cash System" and the FAQ on bitcoin.org)
358 2011-01-14 10:27:27 <lfm> molecular all nodes use the same calulation and then the difficulty (an encoded form of it) is part of the block for verification.
359 2011-01-14 10:28:03 <lfm> molecular There may be some more explanation somewhere in the wiki or something, not sure
360 2011-01-14 10:28:27 <molecular> lfm: ok, and the difficulty is adjusted every 2016 blocks so that 1 block will be generated by the mining business owners every ten minutes. will _that_ be changed anytime in the future?
361 2011-01-14 10:28:55 <lfm> i dont think it will be changed
362 2011-01-14 10:29:05 <molecular> lfm: thanks about the hint with the wiki... am also finding lots of info in the forums using g00gle.
363 2011-01-14 10:30:02 <molecular> lfm: but doesn't that mean that as demand for BTC grows (assumption), it's value would rise -> therefore mining would still be a very good invenstment at this point in time
364 2011-01-14 10:30:03 <molecular> ?
365 2011-01-14 10:30:32 <lfm> maybe, I am not real good at seeing the future
366 2011-01-14 10:31:16 <molecular> lfm: thx a lot for you help
367 2011-01-14 10:34:08 <joe_1> molecular the total effort spent on mining will equal 50 BTC per 10 minutes. so as BTC goes up in value, total mining effort will go up.
368 2011-01-14 10:34:36 <lfm> maybe
369 2011-01-14 10:39:49 <molecular> is that 50 BTC per 10 minutes a constant or is this changeable somehow by some "bitcoin economic overlord"?
370 2011-01-14 10:40:23 <lfm> after 4 years it will be cut in half to 25 and cut in half again each 4 years
371 2011-01-14 10:41:33 <lfm> after some 150 years or something it will become zero according to the plan
372 2011-01-14 10:41:55 <molecular> so 210000*50 is half of all the BTC ever generated?
373 2011-01-14 10:42:25 <lfm> ya, something like that
374 2011-01-14 10:43:42 <sipa> molecular: there is no bitcoin economic overlord
375 2011-01-14 10:43:51 <molecular> I want to argue again that, if BTC will really be widely used some day, it's value (in USD or bread loafs) will rise dramatically because it's so scarce and everyone is holding on to their coins. High demand, low supply.
376 2011-01-14 10:43:58 <sipa> when you download the official client, you agree to the rules that are programmed in it
377 2011-01-14 10:44:02 <sipa> but you could change it
378 2011-01-14 10:44:04 <molecular> sipa: thanks for that info. I hoped so
379 2011-01-14 10:44:17 <lfm> maybe
380 2011-01-14 10:44:21 <molecular> sipa: you mean make your own BTC2 money?
381 2011-01-14 10:44:29 <sipa> although few in the network would probably accept blocks/transactions/... that are based on your own rules
382 2011-01-14 10:44:33 <sipa> yes
383 2011-01-14 10:45:10 <sgornick> molecular: and more hashing power today than yesterday means less time between blocks than yesterday ..., like 8.6 minutes versus 8.8, ..., and 8.8 yesterday versus 9.0 before.  Then at the next retarget ..., it will get re-synched to a value so that it will be back to about  every 10 minutes.
384 2011-01-14 10:45:12 <lfm> as the value goes up the hoarders become tempted to sell more
385 2011-01-14 10:45:53 <sipa> as long as it keeps growing, it always be on average less then 10 minutes
386 2011-01-14 10:46:12 <sipa> since the retarget is based on an average of the two weeks before, which included at that point already outdated data
387 2011-01-14 10:46:17 <molecular> About a year ago when I first saw Bitcoin, I judged this as an experiment. But now that you can exchange to any other currency and actually by (some) stuff with it. It's a real currency. This is astonishing and exciting! Fuck the banks.
388 2011-01-14 10:46:27 <molecular> s/by/buy
389 2011-01-14 10:46:53 <lfm> thats the spirit
390 2011-01-14 10:46:59 <molecular> :)
391 2011-01-14 10:47:05 <sgornick> ;;bc,estimate
392 2011-01-14 10:47:06 <gribble> 18303.43814191
393 2011-01-14 10:47:18 <sgornick> ;;bc,statistics
394 2011-01-14 10:47:19 <gribble> Error: "bc,statistics" is not a valid command.
395 2011-01-14 10:47:32 <lfm> ;;bc,stats
396 2011-01-14 10:47:35 <gribble> Current Blocks: 102621 | Current Difficulty: 16307.48285682 | Next Difficulty At Block: 102815 | Next Difficulty In: 194 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 3 hours, 48 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 18303.43814191
397 2011-01-14 10:47:57 <sgornick> thanks lfm.
398 2011-01-14 10:48:51 <molecular> ;;bc,mtgox
399 2011-01-14 10:48:52 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.4,"low":0.3176,"vol":16020,"buy":0.36,"sell":0.371,"last":0.36}}
400 2011-01-14 10:48:56 <sipa> the "correct" difficulty is probably almost 20000
401 2011-01-14 10:49:18 <tcatm> that has been said about 6000 before ;)
402 2011-01-14 10:49:27 <sipa> ?
403 2011-01-14 10:49:43 <tcatm> Or what did you mean by "correct"?
404 2011-01-14 10:49:45 <molecular> 18530 due to my calculation based on roughly the last 15 hours
405 2011-01-14 10:50:28 <sipa> tcatm: the difficulty that corresponds to my estimate of the total instantaneous hashing speed now :)
406 2011-01-14 10:50:46 <tcatm> ah, thought you mean the "final" difficulty
407 2011-01-14 10:50:50 <sipa> no no
408 2011-01-14 10:51:39 <lfm> the shorter the interval you base your estimate on the less accurate it will probably be
409 2011-01-14 10:52:08 <sipa> it's based on an exponential window over the past few days, and compensates for growth during that window itself
410 2011-01-14 10:52:18 <sipa> so it's not just an average
411 2011-01-14 10:53:14 <molecular> Mining with a small cpu is like playing the lottery: most of the time you loose :)
412 2011-01-14 10:53:22 <lfm> Average interval last 100 blocks: 8.81 min
413 2011-01-14 10:53:38 <lfm> Average interval since last diff change: 8.91 min
414 2011-01-14 10:53:58 <lfm> hardly signoficant
415 2011-01-14 10:54:09 <sipa> there's a growth of about 1.3% per day
416 2011-01-14 10:54:32 <lfm> over what period?
417 2011-01-14 10:55:05 <sipa> the past few weeks it's been 1-2%
418 2011-01-14 10:55:43 <lfm> few weeks? 3? 4? 6?
419 2011-01-14 10:56:17 <sipa> let's say 4
420 2011-01-14 10:56:34 <sipa> i'm going to make some graph about it, but not now :)
421 2011-01-14 10:56:39 <molecular> is the most efficient gpu in terms of "BTC per Watt" also the best performer in terms of raw power? In other words: does it make sense to look at medium-power GPUs?
422 2011-01-14 10:57:07 <lfm> "sense" is kinda subjective
423 2011-01-14 10:58:04 <lfm> depends on several factors. what gpu prices are for you in your country, what power costs are for you in your area and wht you think btc prices will be for the period in question
424 2011-01-14 10:58:51 <molecular> lfm: One could gather all the facts and make a calculator ;)
425 2011-01-14 10:59:10 <lfm> yes, its still subjective thpo of course
426 2011-01-14 10:59:28 <molecular> Can one put additional info to a coin, like "generated with green power"?
427 2011-01-14 11:00:24 <lfm> you can try, I doubt it would work. Do you think people would value gold claimed to be green mined more than other gold?
428 2011-01-14 11:01:01 <sipa> molecular: you can put arbitrary data in the coin base yes
429 2011-01-14 11:01:12 <molecular> lfm: actually no. blood diamonds ;)
430 2011-01-14 11:01:16 <sipa> not sure how many people will notice, but yes
431 2011-01-14 11:01:25 <lfm> there is no way to keep the association bevond fist sale if I understand you
432 2011-01-14 11:01:39 <lfm> first sale that is
433 2011-01-14 11:01:44 <molecular> sipa: will that be carried around with splits and joins?
434 2011-01-14 11:02:45 <lfm> you could always try to trace back the liniage of a txn but it will tend to get combined and split thus diluted
435 2011-01-14 11:03:11 <molecular> will that info not be deleted at some point by pruning the merkel tree?
436 2011-01-14 11:04:08 <lfm> the info will last as long as bitcoin even if some nodes drop it at some point, there will always be some "full service" nodes
437 2011-01-14 11:04:43 <lfm> x
438 2011-01-14 11:04:51 <lfm> hung ...
439 2011-01-14 11:06:32 <lfm> is this on?
440 2011-01-14 11:11:19 <niekie> Hello :)
441 2011-01-14 11:11:26 <lfm> hi
442 2011-01-14 11:14:39 <sipa> molecular: no, it won't
443 2011-01-14 11:15:13 <molecular> sipa: so the network keeps all info on all transaction ever made?
444 2011-01-14 11:15:13 <sipa> molecular: but technically you can trace the output of each transaction back to the blocks in which the constituent coins were generator
445 2011-01-14 11:17:26 <lfm> the fact that every transaction tends to join amounts from various previous transactions together and then split them up again makes such lineages a bit hazy. you cant actually track a specific coin or anything. it is all just totals
446 2011-01-14 11:17:54 <molecular> allright, but you could calculate a percentage...
447 2011-01-14 11:18:07 <lfm> I supose
448 2011-01-14 11:18:20 <sipa> lfm: yes, but its' totals per transaction, not per account/address/...
449 2011-01-14 11:18:24 <molecular> doesn't seem like I'll sell my "green BTC" at higher price ;)
450 2011-01-14 11:18:29 <sipa> no
451 2011-01-14 11:20:06 <molecular> just did some rough research. seems to me for mining, a highend ati card is much more cost-effective than highend nvidia?
452 2011-01-14 11:20:33 <lfm> yes
453 2011-01-14 11:20:36 <sipa> yes
454 2011-01-14 11:43:58 <xelister> molecular: x4 more effective per device price and per electrity price
455 2011-01-14 12:01:09 <molecular> so which card would be most efficient that is currently available? or: what are some options?
456 2011-01-14 12:02:40 <tcatm> 5870/5970/6950
457 2011-01-14 12:06:38 <ArtForz> for Mhash/W, 5970, 5870, 5850, 6870, 5770, 6850, 6950, 6970, in that order
458 2011-01-14 12:09:18 <ArtForz> even a 6970 is about 2.5x as efficient as a GTX580, which so far is nvidias most efficient offering
459 2011-01-14 12:10:07 <molecular> thx for the info. you seem to disagree wether 5970 or 5870 is better (not that it matters much to me, but interesting nonetheless) ;)
460 2011-01-14 12:10:36 <ArtForz> 5970 is more power efficient
461 2011-01-14 12:10:45 <molecular> ok
462 2011-01-14 12:10:53 <molecular> but more expensive?
463 2011-01-14 12:11:00 <ArtForz> depends
464 2011-01-14 12:11:05 <ArtForz> currently, yes
465 2011-01-14 12:11:13 <ArtForz> for $500 5970 was a steal
466 2011-01-14 12:11:32 <ArtForz> especially if you factor in the cost for the rest of the system
467 2011-01-14 12:11:34 <sipa> the price for 5970's will probably drop as soon as the 6990 is released?
468 2011-01-14 12:11:43 <ArtForz> I'd guess so
469 2011-01-14 12:12:21 <molecular> I can see a 5970 for ???352 here in germany
470 2011-01-14 12:12:25 <ArtForz> right now 5970 is still the fastest graphics card available, EOLed and stock is probably getting low
471 2011-01-14 12:12:41 <sipa> 352? new?
472 2011-01-14 12:12:49 <molecular> oh no, sorry. that's still rising on ebay ;(
473 2011-01-14 12:13:05 <ArtForz> cheapest new is ~415EUR incl. tax
474 2011-01-14 12:13:46 <ArtForz> still not THAT bad
475 2011-01-14 12:14:28 <sipa> i tried buying one a few times on ebay, but was overbidden the last few seconds :)
476 2011-01-14 12:14:35 <ArtForz> it all kidna depends on pricing of 6990 at release
477 2011-01-14 12:14:51 <ArtForz> I suspect 6990 will be significantly faster than 5970 for 3D
478 2011-01-14 12:14:51 <molecular> can I use a cheap board? (only 1 gpu planned)
479 2011-01-14 12:14:56 <ArtForz> yep
480 2011-01-14 12:15:15 <ArtForz> I run a 5970 + a 5770 on a 50EUR asrock board
481 2011-01-14 12:15:30 <ArtForz> with a sempron and 2*512MB ram
482 2011-01-14 12:15:30 <molecular> nice
483 2011-01-14 12:15:33 <sipa> the second one in 4x slot?
484 2011-01-14 12:15:35 <sipa> *a
485 2011-01-14 12:15:44 <ArtForz> yep
486 2011-01-14 12:15:52 <ArtForz> second slot is x16 mechanical, x4 electrical
487 2011-01-14 12:15:58 <ArtForz> doesnt really matter for mining
488 2011-01-14 12:16:04 <sipa> interesting :)
489 2011-01-14 12:16:12 <molecular> also the amount of ram doesn't matter, does it?
490 2011-01-14 12:16:17 <ArtForz> nope
491 2011-01-14 12:16:19 <ArtForz> even for a 5970 the difference is <1%
492 2011-01-14 12:17:01 <ArtForz> also ran a 5970 in a gen1 x4 slot, still < 1% slower vs. PCIe 2.0 x16
493 2011-01-14 12:17:32 <sipa> and a motherboard with let's say x16 + x16 + x4, would not be a problem to put in 3 ?
494 2011-01-14 12:17:41 <ArtForz> if you can cool em, no
495 2011-01-14 12:17:51 <ArtForz> you want at least 1 slot of airspace between cards
496 2011-01-14 12:17:55 <ArtForz> especially with 5970s
497 2011-01-14 12:18:42 <ArtForz> otherwise they block each others intake fan
498 2011-01-14 12:19:05 <ArtForz> not a problem with 5970+5770 though, 5770 is short enough to not block the fan on a 5970
499 2011-01-14 12:19:29 <sipa> but a x4 slot which is x4 mechanically, will it fit a 5970?
500 2011-01-14 12:19:42 <ArtForz> not without hacking
501 2011-01-14 12:19:50 <sipa> i'll take that as a no :)
502 2011-01-14 12:20:15 <ArtForz> well, there are ~ 1" high x4-to-x16 adapter boards
503 2011-01-14 12:20:46 <ArtForz> or you use a flexible riser and cut out the end of the slot on the riser, ala mrb
504 2011-01-14 12:21:15 <ArtForz> http://blog.zorinaq.com/?e=42
505 2011-01-14 12:24:09 <ArtForz> I ran 2 5970s on one of these I found in my "old HW" box: http://reviews.cnet.com/motherboards/asus-a8n-e-nforce4/1707-3049_7-31329768.html
506 2011-01-14 12:36:57 <UukGoblin> slush, Jonathan_L is complaining on #bitcoin-mining that http://mining.bitcoin.cz/home/ or http://mining.bitcoin.cz/accounts/profile/ gives him 500s after registering a worker
507 2011-01-14 12:41:15 <molecular> What's the approx. hashrate of a 5970?
508 2011-01-14 12:41:27 <UukGoblin> 540Mhash/sec stock
509 2011-01-14 12:41:33 <UukGoblin> sorry that was meant to say 530
510 2011-01-14 12:41:37 <Diablo-D3> over 9000
511 2011-01-14 12:41:40 <sipa> 42
512 2011-01-14 12:41:46 <sipa> (unspecified unit)
513 2011-01-14 12:41:50 <molecular> sipa: thx, that was the correct answer
514 2011-01-14 12:41:51 <UukGoblin> 23?
515 2011-01-14 12:42:05 <sipa> overclocked you can reach 600MH/s easily, i heard
516 2011-01-14 12:42:10 <Diablo-D3> [07:59:28] <manik> Diablo-D3: so is that your final MMH3 impl?
517 2011-01-14 12:42:13 <Diablo-D3> errr
518 2011-01-14 12:42:17 <Diablo-D3> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_Hardware_Comparison
519 2011-01-14 12:42:24 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: ^
520 2011-01-14 12:42:36 <ArtForz> depending on miner, soemwhere between 530 and 555 stock
521 2011-01-14 12:42:45 <sipa> is it possible to use a 5970 for mining, and built-in mobo video for your screen?
522 2011-01-14 12:42:46 <molecular> and the approx power consumption (5970) when hashing?
523 2011-01-14 12:43:01 <ArtForz> about 300W
524 2011-01-14 12:43:01 <Diablo-D3> molecular: see the url
525 2011-01-14 12:43:06 <Diablo-D3> it has it all there
526 2011-01-14 12:43:25 <molecular> ah, thanks a lot for the url. I'll stop bugging you guys now
527 2011-01-14 12:43:35 <molecular> and the url for the future BTC value in USD?
528 2011-01-14 12:43:48 <sipa> future BTC value?
529 2011-01-14 12:43:55 <molecular> a joke
530 2011-01-14 12:43:59 <Diablo-D3> you mean current ;)
531 2011-01-14 12:44:05 <molecular> was asking to predict the future ;)
532 2011-01-14 12:44:34 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.4,"low":0.3176,"vol":13822,"buy":0.36,"sell":0.371,"last":0.371}}
533 2011-01-14 12:44:34 <molecular> ;;bc,mtgox
534 2011-01-14 12:44:37 <molecular> current is easy
535 2011-01-14 12:44:57 <molecular> thanks again for all the info.. happy mining
536 2011-01-14 12:45:00 <Diablo-D3> huh, .37 already, wow
537 2011-01-14 12:45:30 <sipa> it's been 0.4 yesterday for a while
538 2011-01-14 12:45:40 <Diablo-D3> hrm
539 2011-01-14 12:45:53 <Diablo-D3> 72
540 2011-01-14 12:45:55 <Diablo-D3> jesus
541 2011-01-14 12:46:12 <Diablo-D3> 180 * 0.4 = 72
542 2011-01-14 12:46:28 <sipa> about 18h ago, some 1000 BTC were traded at $0.4 on mtgox
543 2011-01-14 12:56:38 <slush> UukGoblin: lol, he probably used unicode name for worker
544 2011-01-14 12:56:57 <slush> I should allow only ascii characters
545 2011-01-14 13:21:13 <lfm> ;;bc,calc 320000
546 2011-01-14 13:21:14 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 320000 Khps, given current difficulty of 16307.48285682 , is 2 days, 12 hours, 47 minutes, and 55 seconds
547 2011-01-14 13:21:30 <sipa> ;;bc,stats
548 2011-01-14 13:21:32 <gribble> Current Blocks: 102633 | Current Difficulty: 16307.48285682 | Next Difficulty At Block: 102815 | Next Difficulty In: 182 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 2 hours, 11 minutes, and 16 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 18261.64609438
549 2011-01-14 13:23:53 <ArtForz> yep, still kinda slow growth
550 2011-01-14 13:24:27 <lfm> ya people were expecting 20k difficulty a month ago
551 2011-01-14 13:25:00 <lfm> it seems
552 2011-01-14 13:25:02 <ArtForz> simple exponential extrapolation to the full 2016 blocks, diff ~18470 = about +13.25% or so
553 2011-01-14 13:26:22 <ArtForz> 14484 to 16307 was +12.59%, 12252 to 14484 +18.22%
554 2011-01-14 13:26:38 <lfm> long way from the 50% per 2 weeks that we sorta got used to
555 2011-01-14 13:26:45 <ArtForz> yep
556 2011-01-14 13:28:09 <gribble> Error: "tbc,calc" is not a valid command.
557 2011-01-14 13:28:09 <xelister> ;;tbc,calc 1000
558 2011-01-14 13:28:32 <xelister> how to calculate expected gen rate at given difficulty e.g. on testnet
559 2011-01-14 13:28:44 <ArtForz> difficulty * 2**32 / 600
560 2011-01-14 13:28:53 <lfm> ;;bc,calc 1000 11.5
561 2011-01-14 13:28:54 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
562 2011-01-14 13:29:01 <ArtForz> thats calcd
563 2011-01-14 13:29:04 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
564 2011-01-14 13:29:04 <lfm> ;;bc,calc 1000 11000
565 2011-01-14 13:29:13 <lfm> ;;bc,calc 1000,11000
566 2011-01-14 13:29:14 <gribble> Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
567 2011-01-14 13:29:22 <ArtForz> ;;bc,calcd 1000 11000
568 2011-01-14 13:29:22 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 11000, is 1 year, 25 weeks, 6 days, 19 hours, 30 minutes, and 40 seconds
569 2011-01-14 13:29:52 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 23, is 1 day, 3 hours, 26 minutes, and 24 seconds
570 2011-01-14 13:29:52 <xelister> ;;bc,calcd 1000 23
571 2011-01-14 13:29:56 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 11.5, is 13 hours, 43 minutes, and 12 seconds
572 2011-01-14 13:29:56 <lfm> ;;bc,calcd 1000 11.5
573 2011-01-14 13:30:19 <lfm> is that good enuf?
574 2011-01-14 13:30:38 <xelister> yeap
575 2011-01-14 13:30:50 <ArtForz> ;;bc,calcd 625000 11.5
576 2011-01-14 13:30:50 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 625000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 11.5, is 1 minute and 19 seconds
577 2011-01-14 13:31:12 <ArtForz> ;;bc,calcd 180000 11.5
578 2011-01-14 13:31:12 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 180000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 11.5, is 4 minutes and 34 seconds
579 2011-01-14 13:31:26 <ArtForz> damn, even a 5770 is way too fast
580 2011-01-14 13:31:48 <xelister> gpu would rape testnet
581 2011-01-14 13:31:53 <xelister> even nvidia ;)
582 2011-01-14 13:32:09 <ArtForz> ;;bc,calcd 40000 11.5
583 2011-01-14 13:32:09 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 40000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 11.5, is 20 minutes and 34 seconds
584 2011-01-14 13:32:17 <ArtForz> a 5550 would be slow enough
585 2011-01-14 13:32:33 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 2000000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 23, is 49 seconds
586 2011-01-14 13:32:33 <xelister> ;;bc,calcd 2000000 23
587 2011-01-14 13:32:53 <xelister> would be fun to set your entire cluster to work on testnet
588 2011-01-14 13:33:04 <ArtForz> ;;bc,calcd 16500000 11.5
589 2011-01-14 13:33:04 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 16500000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 11.5, is 2 seconds
590 2011-01-14 13:33:23 <lfm> thatd be crazy
591 2011-01-14 13:33:56 <lfm> might reveal some design limits tho I spoze
592 2011-01-14 13:34:11 <xelister> lets do it
593 2011-01-14 13:34:15 <xelister> ArtForz: do it o/
594 2011-01-14 13:34:37 <lfm> drive their difficulty way up then drop out and leave em hanging
595 2011-01-14 13:35:09 <xelister> then testnet could wait like a year for diff lowering
596 2011-01-14 13:35:29 <xelister> imo the rule should be to also adjust diff if say 24 h passes with no block
597 2011-01-14 13:35:54 <lfm> xelister the 4x diff limit might save them
598 2011-01-14 13:36:11 <xelister> lfm: diff can rise max x4 each 2000 blocks?
599 2011-01-14 13:36:26 <lfm> I think so ya,
600 2011-01-14 13:36:46 <xelister> ArtForz: quick hogging the decission, put cluster on testnet's ass ;)
601 2011-01-14 13:37:12 <xelister> wonder if that would also disable many generators since transfer rate limis
602 2011-01-14 13:37:13 <ArtForz> takes a bit, have to cactch up on block chain first
603 2011-01-14 13:41:21 <davout> ArtForz: didn't follow everything, are you really going to put your rigs on testnet for a couple thousand testnet blocks?
604 2011-01-14 13:42:26 <ArtForz> nah, only 8 5970s
605 2011-01-14 13:47:56 <slush> ;;bc,calc 0.005*0.35
606 2011-01-14 13:47:57 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 0.005*0.35 Khps, given current difficulty of 16307.48285682 , is 1269118 years, 20 weeks, 1 day, 7 hours, 35 minutes, and 0 seconds
607 2011-01-14 13:48:03 <slush> shit
608 2011-01-14 13:48:30 <xelister> slush: wat?
609 2011-01-14 13:48:49 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 0.005 Khps, given current difficulty of 16307.48285682 , is 444191 years, 22 weeks, 4 days, 23 hours, 3 minutes, and 20 seconds
610 2011-01-14 13:48:49 <lfm> ;;bc,calc 0.005
611 2011-01-14 13:48:59 <slush> nothng, I always forget correct command for normal calculator
612 2011-01-14 13:49:31 <lfm> ;;google,calg 0.005*0.35
613 2011-01-14 13:49:32 <gribble> Error: "google,calg" is not a valid command.
614 2011-01-14 13:49:38 <gribble> Error: "google,calc" is not a valid command.
615 2011-01-14 13:49:38 <lfm> ;;google,calc 0.005*0.35
616 2011-01-14 13:49:50 <gribble> Error: "calc,google" is not a valid command.
617 2011-01-14 13:49:50 <lfm> ;;calc,google 0.005*0.35
618 2011-01-14 13:50:01 <lfm> bah
619 2011-01-14 13:50:04 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 5400 Khps, given current difficulty of 16307.48285682 , is 21 weeks, 3 days, 2 hours, 53 minutes, and 9 seconds
620 2011-01-14 13:50:04 <slush> ;;bc,calc 5400
621 2011-01-14 13:50:52 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 4800000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 23, is 20 seconds
622 2011-01-14 13:50:52 <xelister> ;;bc,calcd 4800000 23
623 2011-01-14 13:53:11 <ArtForz> hmmm, looks like wallet flushing slows down generation quite a bit once you go < 10s/block or so
624 2011-01-14 13:53:20 <xelister> =)
625 2011-01-14 13:55:25 <ArtForz> 24 HD5970s on testnet *g*
626 2011-01-14 13:57:13 <lfm> ;;bc,calc 300000 23.38
627 2011-01-14 13:57:14 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
628 2011-01-14 13:57:21 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 300000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 23.38, is 5 minutes and 34 seconds
629 2011-01-14 13:57:21 <lfm> ;;bc,calcd 300000 23.38
630 2011-01-14 13:58:28 <davout> ArtForz: pervert
631 2011-01-14 13:58:35 <davout> :D
632 2011-01-14 13:58:52 <slush> heh, mining on mainnet become hard even for ArtForz...
633 2011-01-14 13:59:22 <slush> ..so his plan is to get rich on testnet now ;)
634 2011-01-14 14:00:08 <ArtForz> lets try something
635 2011-01-14 14:02:49 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 12360 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 4, is 23 minutes and 9 seconds
636 2011-01-14 14:02:49 <slush> ;;bc,calcd 12360 4
637 2011-01-14 14:02:55 <davout> i predict that eventually testnet coins will have some value
638 2011-01-14 14:03:00 <lfm> yup looks like a new block about every 2 sec just like its calced to be
639 2011-01-14 14:03:01 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 12360000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 4, is 1 second
640 2011-01-14 14:03:01 <slush> ;;bc,calcd 12360000 4
641 2011-01-14 14:04:57 <x6763> davout: i think nanotube bought 30000 testnet coins for 1 btc
642 2011-01-14 14:06:01 <slush> I sent him 12000 btc for free yesterday :x
643 2011-01-14 14:07:53 <lfm> yay! I got one (trestnet) while art was getting 1 every 2 sec
644 2011-01-14 14:21:13 <lfm> slowin down, art shut down again?
645 2011-01-14 14:21:23 <ArtForz> nope
646 2011-01-14 14:21:26 <ArtForz> difficulty changed
647 2011-01-14 14:21:41 <lfm> ah!
648 2011-01-14 14:21:54 <lfm> "difficulty" : 93.42637498,
649 2011-01-14 14:21:58 <lfm> hehe
650 2011-01-14 14:22:42 <ArtForz> that should make my miner a bit more efficient
651 2011-01-14 14:25:14 <lfm> ya it was a limit 4x
652 2011-01-14 14:26:27 <ArtForz> yup
653 2011-01-14 14:26:31 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 300000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 93.42637498, is 22 minutes and 17 seconds
654 2011-01-14 14:26:31 <lfm> ;;bc,calcd 300000 93.42637498
655 2011-01-14 14:27:44 <ArtForz> "real" difficulty is half that
656 2011-01-14 14:27:52 <ArtForz> testnet 1.0 diff = main 0.5 diff
657 2011-01-14 14:31:33 <ArtForz> ;;bc,calcd 14000000 46.7
658 2011-01-14 14:31:33 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 14000000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 46.7, is 14 seconds
659 2011-01-14 14:31:51 <sipa> ArtForz: Antec PSU TruePower Quattro 850W: any good/enough for 2 5970's?
660 2011-01-14 14:32:02 <ArtForz> should be ok
661 2011-01-14 14:32:56 <Diablo-D3> sipa: nope
662 2011-01-14 14:32:57 <Diablo-D3> because
663 2011-01-14 14:32:58 <Diablo-D3> its antec
664 2011-01-14 14:33:11 <lfm> so if you go for another 7 hours or so you could get another 4x limit on testnet
665 2011-01-14 14:35:19 <lfm> quattro? is that like 4 rails or something then?
666 2011-01-14 14:36:42 <sipa> Diablo-D3: what's bad about it?
667 2011-01-14 14:36:56 <tcatm> ArtForz: What are you trying on testnet?
668 2011-01-14 14:37:13 <Diablo-D3> sipa: its testnet.
669 2011-01-14 14:37:19 <ArtForz> trying to reduce overhead in my iner
670 2011-01-14 14:37:20 <Diablo-D3> er
671 2011-01-14 14:37:26 <Diablo-D3> sipa: its antec.
672 2011-01-14 14:37:52 <lfm> tcat was a test to see if testnet could handle 1 block every 2 sec. seemed to work
673 2011-01-14 14:38:01 <sipa> so, it will fail/explode/waste power/... ?
674 2011-01-14 14:38:18 <sipa> (honest question)
675 2011-01-14 14:38:21 <lfm> all of the above?
676 2011-01-14 14:38:27 <ArtForz> except I only got ~3 sec/block thanks to wallet flushing blocking stuff for AGES
677 2011-01-14 14:38:58 <lfm> art you need ssds?
678 2011-01-14 14:49:28 <lfm> looks like I lost a couple races on the old difficulty
679 2011-01-14 14:49:41 <lfm> ERROR: BitcoinMiner : generated block is stale
680 2011-01-14 14:50:39 <xelister> my diablo-based-miner craps out too
681 2011-01-14 14:50:47 <xelister> cant send result to bitcoind json
682 2011-01-14 14:51:34 <ArtForz> oh, thats intended
683 2011-01-14 14:51:54 <ArtForz> I'm running in cartel mode atm
684 2011-01-14 14:53:02 <ArtForz> = start a private chain fork if soemone else finds a block, send blocks up to N+1 once you get ahead
685 2011-01-14 14:54:14 <ArtForz> = right now nobody else should be able to generate a block on testnet without getting overtaken pretty much instantly
686 2011-01-14 14:54:48 <xelister> woot
687 2011-01-14 14:56:19 <ArtForz> it also means current testnet speed is really just my cluster alone, I dont fudge with block timestamps
688 2011-01-14 15:01:49 <Diablo-D3> or
689 2011-01-14 15:01:51 <Diablo-D3> just use a pool.
690 2011-01-14 15:10:45 <nanotube> haha ArtForz you have "cartel mode" nice :)
691 2011-01-14 15:12:30 <ArtForz> well, it still needs some work so actual cartels of multiple miners can be set up
692 2011-01-14 15:12:53 <slush> ArtForz: Do you provide some cartel mode API ? :)
693 2011-01-14 15:13:01 <ArtForz> = they share blocks of "their" chain amongst each other
694 2011-01-14 15:13:50 <ArtForz> = a bunch of miners collaborating and having >50% total hashrate combined can hog all generation
695 2011-01-14 15:14:59 <luke-jr> and block transactions
696 2011-01-14 15:15:00 <luke-jr> :o
697 2011-01-14 15:15:12 <ArtForz> yep
698 2011-01-14 15:18:02 <ArtForz> I should add that
699 2011-01-14 15:18:10 <ArtForz> "attach a X% fee or your TX wont ever make it into a block"
700 2011-01-14 15:23:05 <sipa> can a Radeon 4290 do mining?
701 2011-01-14 15:23:30 <ArtForz> should be able to
702 2011-01-14 15:23:52 <sipa> probably not fast, but this mobo has that built-in
703 2011-01-14 15:24:01 <ArtForz> wait, no
704 2011-01-14 15:24:24 <ArtForz> 4290 IGP is RV620 = HD3430
705 2011-01-14 15:25:00 <ArtForz> well, actually clocked between 3450 and 3470
706 2011-01-14 15:25:06 <sipa> doesn't matter
707 2011-01-14 15:25:19 <Diablo-D3> 3xxx/4xxx IGP chips cant run opencl
708 2011-01-14 15:25:22 <Diablo-D3> they're R600s
709 2011-01-14 15:25:23 <ArtForz> last time I checked, HD3xxx didnt have OpenCL support
710 2011-01-14 15:25:23 <sipa> if it can't be used for mining, it can be used for video while mining :)
711 2011-01-14 15:25:43 <ArtForz> yep
712 2011-01-14 15:25:54 <ArtForz> rebadging fucking sucks
713 2011-01-14 15:26:02 <sipa> rebadging?
714 2011-01-14 15:26:08 <Diablo-D3> its not rebadging at all
715 2011-01-14 15:26:11 <Diablo-D3> its clearly an IGP
716 2011-01-14 15:26:15 <ArtForz> so?
717 2011-01-14 15:26:18 <Diablo-D3> at no point have they advertised otherwise
718 2011-01-14 15:26:39 <ArtForz> call it a 3470 IGP then
719 2011-01-14 15:27:00 <Diablo-D3> why, when they cal call it a 780G instead
720 2011-01-14 15:27:25 <Diablo-D3> *can call
721 2011-01-14 15:28:11 <ArtForz> why not just just call it a 9001 OMG WTF XXX make-me-a-sandwich edition then?
722 2011-01-14 15:28:36 <sipa> why not just label graphics cards with the gpu's in them? :)
723 2011-01-14 15:29:07 <nanotube> heh, testnet diff is now 46. good going there ArtForz :)
724 2011-01-14 15:29:39 <ArtForz> kinda like half of the Mobile HD6xxxM are really 5xxx cores
725 2011-01-14 15:29:39 <luke-jr> ArtForz: dare you to raise it with all your GPUs
726 2011-01-14 15:30:02 <luke-jr> for like a week
727 2011-01-14 15:30:04 <luke-jr> <.<
728 2011-01-14 15:30:10 <ArtForz> next testnet diff should be fun
729 2011-01-14 15:31:34 <ArtForz> 1744 blocks to go, then tesnet should be at 186.9 main equiv diff
730 2011-01-14 15:32:14 <ArtForz> ;;bc,calcd 180000 186.9
731 2011-01-14 15:32:14 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 180000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 186.9, is 1 hour, 14 minutes, and 19 seconds
732 2011-01-14 15:32:14 <nanotube> ArtForz: well, who's gonna be raising it to 4x? or do you plan to do that?
733 2011-01-14 15:32:32 <ArtForz> ;;bc,calcd 600000 186.9
734 2011-01-14 15:32:33 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 600000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 186.9, is 22 minutes and 17 seconds
735 2011-01-14 15:32:58 <ArtForz> fun! you'd need 2 5970s just to get 600s/block
736 2011-01-14 15:33:25 <slush> not fun at all. How the fuck I should test pool now? :/
737 2011-01-14 15:34:13 <ArtForz> should only take about 8h
738 2011-01-14 15:36:41 <EvanR-work> ArtForz likes stepping and sandcastles ;)
739 2011-01-14 15:36:46 <EvanR-work> stepping on
740 2011-01-14 15:37:03 <EvanR-work> sandcastles that regenerate automatically
741 2011-01-14 15:37:34 <nanotube> hehe
742 2011-01-14 15:39:56 <nevezen> each block that's generated at the moment contains 50btc waiting to be mined out right?
743 2011-01-14 15:40:42 <nanotube> well, you make it contain the 50 btc, by including a tx to yourself of 50 btc from nowhere. but essentially, yes. :)
744 2011-01-14 15:41:00 <EvanR-work> hmm, can you include a 100 instead?
745 2011-01-14 15:41:40 <nanotube> yes you can.
746 2011-01-14 15:41:44 <nanotube> nobody else will accept it though
747 2011-01-14 15:41:50 <nanotube> but you can have fun :)
748 2011-01-14 15:42:06 <nanotube> why limit yourself to 100, go for a full million. :)
749 2011-01-14 15:42:18 <EvanR-work> what about 49
750 2011-01-14 15:42:28 <nevezen> each block that's generated at the moment contains 50btc waiting to be mined out right?
751 2011-01-14 15:42:54 <nevezen> whoops
752 2011-01-14 15:43:02 <nanotube> EvanR-work: hmm good question. not sure.
753 2011-01-14 15:43:06 <nanotube> ArtForz: --^ ?
754 2011-01-14 15:46:47 <ArtForz> 49 is ok
755 2011-01-14 15:46:52 <ArtForz> you can also give yourself 0
756 2011-01-14 15:46:59 <EvanR-work> weird
757 2011-01-14 15:47:08 <ArtForz> y?
758 2011-01-14 15:47:48 <EvanR-work> 'there will eventually be 21000000' is not strictly true
759 2011-01-14 15:48:03 <ArtForz> it enevr was
760 2011-01-14 15:48:09 <EvanR-work> i know that now
761 2011-01-14 15:48:14 <ArtForz> it's actually a bit < 21M
762 2011-01-14 15:48:20 <ArtForz> even if all generation is 100% used
763 2011-01-14 15:48:21 <EvanR-work> er no
764 2011-01-14 15:48:31 <EvanR-work> division terminates after some time
765 2011-01-14 15:48:35 <ArtForz> yes
766 2011-01-14 15:49:00 <EvanR-work> oh right the total was not exactly 21M?
767 2011-01-14 15:49:08 <EvanR-work> anyway, its even less now!
768 2011-01-14 15:49:49 <ArtForz> max is 20999999.9769
769 2011-01-14 15:49:49 <nevezen> it can only hold a maximum of 21M coins?
770 2011-01-14 15:50:10 <EvanR-work> theres coins at the bottom of the sea, in wallets, and 'would prefer not to have been created'
771 2011-01-14 15:50:57 <slush> will this work? http://linitx.com/viewproduct.php?prodid=10881
772 2011-01-14 15:51:34 <dooglus> can someone explain what's going on with the hundreds of 'ORPHAN BLOCK's I see in debug.log while building the block chain for the first time?  http://pastebin.com/6ij9eQNe
773 2011-01-14 15:51:46 <cosurgi> heheh. No blocks for 5 days, and now 3 blocks in one day. At 242927 khash/sec
774 2011-01-14 15:52:01 <ArtForz> I hate those risers
775 2011-01-14 15:52:09 <ArtForz> they dont work reliably at 2.0 speeds
776 2011-01-14 15:52:24 <cosurgi> ArtForz: question - if I buy two ATI 5850, will I connect them with crossfire or not?
777 2011-01-14 15:52:26 <ArtForz> hell, they dont work reliably at 1.0 speeds either if you dont wrap em in a few layers of alu foil
778 2011-01-14 15:52:49 <slush> ArtForz: What risers do you use?
779 2011-01-14 15:52:55 <nanotube> hehe so... if someone wants to increase the value of his coins... he can try mining some 0-reward blocks. that way, the max possible bitcoins will be less. interesting.
780 2011-01-14 15:52:56 <nevezen> too much EM interference?
781 2011-01-14 15:53:06 <ArtForz> yep
782 2011-01-14 15:53:15 <ArtForz> the stupid connectors degrade signal like hell
783 2011-01-14 15:53:20 <ArtForz> sec, lemme find a link
784 2011-01-14 15:53:46 <EvanR-work> nanotube: s/increase the value/not decrease the value/ ? ;)
785 2011-01-14 15:54:00 <ArtForz> I'm using clones of adex PE-FLEX16
786 2011-01-14 15:54:07 <slush> ;;bc,poolstats
787 2011-01-14 15:54:08 <gribble> {"hashes_ps": 17095258422, "shares": 14751, "active_workers": 319, "round_duration": "1:01:46", "round_started": "2011-01-14 15:52:22", "getwork_ps": 106}
788 2011-01-14 15:54:09 <EvanR-work> increase the value by minting negative blocks
789 2011-01-14 15:54:25 <nevezen> how does it affect you?
790 2011-01-14 15:54:58 <ArtForz> sintech PA-CLKF731
791 2011-01-14 15:55:09 <cosurgi> 06:08 < mrb_> correct, crossfire can (and should be) disabled to scale on multiple GPUs
792 2011-01-14 15:55:16 <cosurgi> ok. No crossfire between GPUs.
793 2011-01-14 15:55:19 <slush> ArtForz: thanks
794 2011-01-14 15:55:36 <ArtForz> finding them in EU/US is kinda hard
795 2011-01-14 15:55:54 <slush> It's flexible?
796 2011-01-14 15:55:59 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: how your miner utulizes multiple GPUs? Is it for example like, first GPU is mining even nonces, and second GPU is mining odd nonces?
797 2011-01-14 15:56:01 <ArtForz> yep
798 2011-01-14 15:56:23 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: no, its like running seperate miners.
799 2011-01-14 15:56:25 <ArtForz> well, not VERY flexible
800 2011-01-14 15:56:34 <ArtForz> the shielding makes the cable pretty damn stiff
801 2011-01-14 15:56:37 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: they both get a different merkleroot to start with?
802 2011-01-14 15:56:51 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: yes, in the sense that they get different getworks altogether
803 2011-01-14 15:56:56 <cosurgi> ok.
804 2011-01-14 15:57:51 <cosurgi> so if both find a solution almost simulatenously then one of them becomes obsolete (this block has been found, already) ?
805 2011-01-14 15:58:18 <cosurgi> that's quite theoretical situation, I'm just curious.
806 2011-01-14 15:59:16 <ArtForz> easiest way to get em is direct order from china
807 2011-01-14 15:59:17 <ArtForz> http://www.dhgate.com/pci-e-express-x16-riser-card-1-slot-with/p-ff8080812c305fe5012c367decb86967.html
808 2011-01-14 16:00:45 <ArtForz> so far I had one out of 12 with problems at 2.0 speeds
809 2011-01-14 16:00:49 <nevezen> can you get an x1 to x16 riser?
810 2011-01-14 16:00:53 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: it internally causes all getworks to flush when one wins
811 2011-01-14 16:00:55 <ArtForz> yes
812 2011-01-14 16:01:21 <cosurgi> omg,omg,omg!!! " This is to confirm your Pandora has been shipped. "
813 2011-01-14 16:01:30 <slush> ArtForz: thanks for links!
814 2011-01-14 16:01:46 <dooglus> is it normal to be seeing hundreds of orphan blocks when first running the bitcoin client?
815 2011-01-14 16:01:49 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: ok, clar, thanks :)
816 2011-01-14 16:01:54 <cosurgi> *clear
817 2011-01-14 16:02:08 <slush> ArtForz: > can you get an x1 to x16 riser?  ---- this means GPU does not need x16 bus?
818 2011-01-14 16:02:21 <ArtForz> nope
819 2011-01-14 16:02:31 <ArtForz> see mrbs blog
820 2011-01-14 16:02:49 <EvanR-work> dooglus: yes, i think
821 2011-01-14 16:02:54 <cosurgi> umm.. can you explain what is riser? :)
822 2011-01-14 16:03:00 <nevezen> I guess I'd need a new psu in order to do this
823 2011-01-14 16:03:13 <nevezen> I only have one pcie power connector
824 2011-01-14 16:03:21 <cosurgi> I see just a very short ,,IDE'' cable on google images. What it does?
825 2011-01-14 16:03:22 <gribble> Error: "IDE" is not a valid command.
826 2011-01-14 16:03:42 <ArtForz> check out adex PEXP16-SX-16/1
827 2011-01-14 16:04:01 <nevezen> link again?
828 2011-01-14 16:04:06 <cosurgi> I see.
829 2011-01-14 16:04:09 <ArtForz> http://www.adexelec.com/pciexp.htm
830 2011-01-14 16:04:23 <cosurgi> It rises up the PCIex16 slot, so the GPU will fir in the case. Thanks
831 2011-01-14 16:04:30 <ArtForz> adex is kinda expensive, looking for chinese clones is a good way to save quite a bit of money
832 2011-01-14 16:05:18 <cosurgi> interesting
833 2011-01-14 16:05:40 <slush> hm, I should read more about pcie itself. thats completely new info for me :(
834 2011-01-14 16:05:53 <nevezen> out of curiousity, what are some other uses for the x1 slot?
835 2011-01-14 16:07:40 <nevezen> I know there are NICs made for the x1
836 2011-01-14 16:07:58 <midnightmagic> analog modemd.
837 2011-01-14 16:08:18 <midnightmagic> i think there are a couple of sound cards.
838 2011-01-14 16:08:34 <ArtForz> sata controller, soundcard, usb3 controller
839 2011-01-14 16:08:44 <ArtForz> and quite a bit more really
840 2011-01-14 16:10:05 <nevezen> are there any video cards specifically made for the x1?
841 2011-01-14 16:10:20 <ArtForz> a few matroxes I think
842 2011-01-14 16:10:29 <slush> so x<number> is only about bandwidth? And because mining doesn't use large transfers, x1 is enough, right?
843 2011-01-14 16:10:46 <ArtForz> yep
844 2011-01-14 16:10:56 <slush> excellent. sorry for lame questions
845 2011-01-14 16:11:13 <slush> 5970 is not only my first GPU, it is also my first pcie card ever :))
846 2011-01-14 16:11:33 <ArtForz> those matrox x1 cards are kinda useful for building a wall of screens
847 2011-01-14 16:12:00 <ArtForz> iirc each one has 4 dual link DVI outputs and you can pack half a dozen in a box
848 2011-01-14 16:15:34 <ArtForz> = if you can live with bezels, you can build a 24-panel 24:9 screen w/ ~90" diagonal and 15360 x 6400 res, 98MP
849 2011-01-14 16:16:09 <ArtForz> no clue what you'd *use* that for, but you can build it
850 2011-01-14 16:16:32 <tcatm> bitcoincharts without scrolling once everyone forks bitcoin-central ;)
851 2011-01-14 16:17:55 <ArtForz> no, wait, about 180" diagonal
852 2011-01-14 16:17:57 <davout> tcatm: lol
853 2011-01-14 16:18:19 <davout> i should add some clever backdoors before i get forks
854 2011-01-14 16:18:24 <ArtForz> it certainly would look fucking impressive
855 2011-01-14 16:21:54 <nevezen> google earth in your living room perhaps?
856 2011-01-14 16:22:47 <ArtForz> wowing vistors in your noc?
857 2011-01-14 16:24:40 <nevezen> you'd still have to deal with screen bezels though
858 2011-01-14 16:25:14 <nevezen> that much gap isn't ideal at home
859 2011-01-14 16:25:34 <ArtForz> the bezels on panels designed for screenwalls are pretty damn thin
860 2011-01-14 16:25:55 <ArtForz> last time I checked <3mm per panel
861 2011-01-14 16:33:16 <nevezen> I don't have eyes like a fly :)
862 2011-01-14 16:33:31 <slush> http://o1tv.weebly.com/ live discussion about bitcoin
863 2011-01-14 16:34:44 <ArtForz> urr what? is IRC prerecorded or something?
864 2011-01-14 16:37:57 <sipa> wow
865 2011-01-14 16:39:08 <sipa> 20k BTC traded at mtgox for >=$0.4
866 2011-01-14 16:39:43 <slush> but it skipped my sell @0.4
867 2011-01-14 16:39:57 <Kiba> lol
868 2011-01-14 16:40:12 <slush> weird
869 2011-01-14 16:40:46 <Kiba> slush: they sold at .39999
870 2011-01-14 16:41:12 <ArtForz> there were quite a few at 0.44 and 0.45, too ...
871 2011-01-14 16:41:12 <tcatm> There was a trade at 0.45
872 2011-01-14 16:41:13 <Kiba> err .3999
873 2011-01-14 16:41:16 <slush> MTG|     TRADE|                     90.531 @ $0.45
874 2011-01-14 16:41:42 <Kiba> that's just the bid price?
875 2011-01-14 16:41:50 <Kiba> they would get as many bitcoin they would get at the lower price
876 2011-01-14 16:42:00 <slush> that's just the trade price, I think
877 2011-01-14 16:42:09 <ArtForz> trade price
878 2011-01-14 16:42:19 <ArtForz> if you bid higher, you still get the lowest ask
879 2011-01-14 16:42:38 <ArtForz> well, except when mtgox decides to be is weird
880 2011-01-14 16:43:04 <Kiba> mtgox must be happy, because the higher the volume, the moar money he make
881 2011-01-14 16:43:24 <ArtForz> yep
882 2011-01-14 16:43:33 <ArtForz> 0.6% from both sides of each trade
883 2011-01-14 16:43:52 <necrodearia> oh?  mtgox takes a percentage now?
884 2011-01-14 16:44:06 <ArtForz> has been since the PayPal debacle
885 2011-01-14 16:44:09 <midnightmagic> 0.65% i think
886 2011-01-14 16:44:09 <necrodearia> i see
887 2011-01-14 16:44:13 <nolan_d> Is there a way to get push notifications from bitcoind whenever events happen (I.e. accounts receive transactions, etc.)?
888 2011-01-14 16:44:14 <midnightmagic> what art said
889 2011-01-14 16:44:29 <ArtForz> well, not quite 0.65% either
890 2011-01-14 16:44:52 <ArtForz> about 0.6458%
891 2011-01-14 16:45:05 <nolan_d> So you could write web services and such which perform actions on transactions, for instance.
892 2011-01-14 16:45:08 <Kiba> a decrease in rate?
893 2011-01-14 16:45:16 <ArtForz> he's doing / 1.0065 instead of * 0.9935
894 2011-01-14 16:46:08 <ArtForz> same for LR withdraw, /1.01 instead of *0.99
895 2011-01-14 16:46:12 <midnightmagic> is there a reason for that?
896 2011-01-14 16:46:19 <ArtForz> dunno
897 2011-01-14 16:46:21 <slush> hey, I think mtgox has bug with pairing trades. There are really 7 trades >=0.40 but mine wasn't touched
898 2011-01-14 16:46:37 <ArtForz> I guess so nobody can say they've been overcharged
899 2011-01-14 16:46:51 <ArtForz> you DONT calculate percentages likethis, but it's in the trader's favor
900 2011-01-14 16:46:52 <Diablo-D3> slush: Im lazy, go ding your pool thread telling people to upgrade to my miner
901 2011-01-14 16:47:02 <midnightmagic> huh.
902 2011-01-14 16:47:04 <slush> Diablo-D3: OK
903 2011-01-14 16:47:06 <ArtForz> so traders that dont understand how you properly calculate percentages dont feel cheated :P
904 2011-01-14 16:47:17 <EvanR-work> slush: dark pool? ;)
905 2011-01-14 16:47:30 <Diablo-D3> slush: I wonder if glib will even help here, its not like the responses are big
906 2011-01-14 16:47:36 <ArtForz> a 90 BTC dark pool offer?
907 2011-01-14 16:47:49 <slush> EvanR-work: How can dark pool explain this?
908 2011-01-14 16:47:51 <Diablo-D3> errr
909 2011-01-14 16:47:53 <Diablo-D3> gzip
910 2011-01-14 16:48:02 <nevezen> "dark pool"?
911 2011-01-14 16:48:09 <ArtForz> well, if someone enters a dark pool only buy
912 2011-01-14 16:48:17 <ArtForz> but that doesnt explain the 90.something @ 0.45
913 2011-01-14 16:48:22 <slush> Diablo-D3: It's not big, but there are 100 requests per seconds
914 2011-01-14 16:48:31 <slush> *per second
915 2011-01-14 16:48:50 <slush> Diablo-D3: some parts cannot be gzipped (http header itself), but I hope it will help a little
916 2011-01-14 16:49:46 <slush> Oh, I didn't know there can be 'darkpool only buy'
917 2011-01-14 16:49:52 <slush> yes, that explain it
918 2011-01-14 16:50:01 <ArtForz> well, not quite
919 2011-01-14 16:50:11 <midnightmagic> how ar eyou able to tell what dark orders are active?
920 2011-01-14 16:50:13 <ArtForz> hmmm.. .actually it might
921 2011-01-14 16:50:19 <ArtForz> you can't thats the point
922 2011-01-14 16:50:31 <ArtForz> thoguh I never have seen a completely dark dark pool like mtgoxes anywhere else
923 2011-01-14 16:50:45 <ArtForz> you usally see the bid/ask but not the amount
924 2011-01-14 16:52:04 <ArtForz> yeah, a dark pool only buy explains it
925 2011-01-14 16:52:35 <ArtForz> dark pool only buy can get partially filled by a dark pool sell
926 2011-01-14 16:53:18 <midnightmagic> what would the benefit of a dark pool order be?
927 2011-01-14 16:53:21 <ArtForz> so the 90.531 @ 0.45 were what was left of the dark pool buy over after all lower dark pool sells were exhausted
928 2011-01-14 16:53:28 <ArtForz> not moving the market
929 2011-01-14 16:53:53 <ArtForz> a 20kBTC sell looks kinda imposing on the normal order book
930 2011-01-14 16:54:09 <ArtForz> same way for huge buys
931 2011-01-14 16:54:23 <ArtForz> imo pointless, but people seem to like it
932 2011-01-14 16:55:01 <Kiba> I think they're darkpool orders?
933 2011-01-14 16:55:06 <midnightmagic> i shouldn't be getting such a kick out of this stuff.
934 2011-01-14 16:55:21 <Kiba> satoshi, the mystery hacker
935 2011-01-14 16:56:11 <nevezen> how mysterious?