1 2011-01-15 00:03:10 <nevezen> how much improvement is there when using crossfire for games?
  2 2011-01-15 00:03:20 <nevezen> and does it scale?
  3 2011-01-15 00:05:24 <ArtForz> scaling isn't too great for 5xxx series cards
  4 2011-01-15 00:05:32 <ArtForz> a lot better for 69xxs
  5 2011-01-15 00:06:09 <ArtForz> iirc 6970 gets like +70% for 2 in xfire, +130% or so for 3
  6 2011-01-15 00:06:22 <ArtForz> which is why 6990 should be pretty fucking awesome
  7 2011-01-15 00:08:08 <nevezen> xfire?
  8 2011-01-15 00:08:14 <ArtForz> crossfire
  9 2011-01-15 00:10:52 <ArtForz> 6990 is supposed to be a dual-6970 card, thanks to the active pwoer limiting they probably wont have to downclock it as badly as 5970, and 69xx scales better in crossfire -> 6990 is probably going to be quite a bit faster than 5970 in 3D
 10 2011-01-15 00:11:06 <ArtForz> my guess is somewhere ~ +30%
 11 2011-01-15 00:11:23 <slush> who is bitcoinminer.com?
 12 2011-01-15 00:15:11 <da2ce7> myabe my gpu is fucked...
 13 2011-01-15 00:15:20 <ArtForz> unliekly
 14 2011-01-15 00:15:20 <da2ce7> werid as furmark runs just fune.
 15 2011-01-15 00:15:23 <da2ce7> finr.
 16 2011-01-15 00:15:35 <slush> da2ce7: try testnet...
 17 2011-01-15 00:15:38 <ArtForz> if it runs furmark, it's ok
 18 2011-01-15 00:15:39 <da2ce7> ok.
 19 2011-01-15 00:16:06 <ArtForz> my guess is your drivers magically decided to enable xfire and your GPU#2 is producing nonsense
 20 2011-01-15 00:17:10 <ArtForz> xelister had to fight with fglrx on linux for ages until it finally decided to stop reenabling crossfire for no apparent reason
 21 2011-01-15 00:17:11 <da2ce7> hmm. dam ATI.
 22 2011-01-15 00:17:44 <ArtForz> did you do anything before it started this?
 23 2011-01-15 00:17:53 <da2ce7> I haven't been home.
 24 2011-01-15 00:17:58 <ArtForz> weird as hell
 25 2011-01-15 00:18:10 <ArtForz> usually it needs *something* to trigger
 26 2011-01-15 00:18:59 <ArtForz> (re)installing driver, changing driver settings, moving card to a diff slot, ... all are good candidates for some reason
 27 2011-01-15 00:19:05 <ArtForz> hrrrm
 28 2011-01-15 00:19:25 <nevezen> solar flares
 29 2011-01-15 00:19:28 <ArtForz> wodner what tools one can use on windows to display crossfire status
 30 2011-01-15 00:19:32 <da2ce7> This is the first time back in a week, that is why I wanted slush to tell me when it started... :(  hmm.
 31 2011-01-15 00:19:42 <ArtForz> on linux you have aticonfig
 32 2011-01-15 00:20:19 <midnightmagic> $1,800 a month for electricity for "bitcoin's biggest miner"?
 33 2011-01-15 00:20:46 <da2ce7> how hard are the testnet blocks?
 34 2011-01-15 00:21:06 <ArtForz> sounds about right for me on utility power
 35 2011-01-15 00:21:15 <midnightmagic> HAHAHA testnet difficulty is up to 93..
 36 2011-01-15 00:21:47 <brocktice> midnightmagic: yeah yesterday I was on and it was like 27
 37 2011-01-15 00:22:02 <brocktice> I may have contributed to that
 38 2011-01-15 00:22:07 <ArtForz> it should quadruple in another 62 blocks
 39 2011-01-15 00:22:39 <ArtForz> errr... 59
 40 2011-01-15 00:22:48 <da2ce7> ;;bc,calc 134920634
 41 2011-01-15 00:22:50 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 134920634 Khps, given current difficulty of 16307.48285682 , is 8 minutes and 39 seconds
 42 2011-01-15 00:22:55 <ArtForz> no, 58
 43 2011-01-15 00:22:58 <da2ce7> 8 min...
 44 2011-01-15 00:22:59 <da2ce7> :(
 45 2011-01-15 00:23:00 <brocktice> is that the pool?
 46 2011-01-15 00:23:10 <midnightmagic> ArtForz: jesus man, how the hell?! 1.3kW at the plug for each machine, times 5, is 6.5kW. Hours in month, ~ 720, is 4680 kWh, and here that would only be about $400. How the hell is it $1800?!
 47 2011-01-15 00:23:41 <ArtForz> thats only 20 5970s
 48 2011-01-15 00:23:59 <ArtForz> I have 24 5970s, 5 5770s, a 6870 and a 6970 mining
 49 2011-01-15 00:24:10 <brocktice> ArtForz: Oh, how's the 6970 perform?
 50 2011-01-15 00:24:21 <ArtForz> exactly as predicted
 51 2011-01-15 00:24:23 <ArtForz> == 5870
 52 2011-01-15 00:24:33 <ArtForz> total power draw is 8780W
 53 2011-01-15 00:24:40 <brocktice> ArtForz: You really are going to end up like those guys on that ATI commercial
 54 2011-01-15 00:24:47 <ArtForz> and utility power is $0.3/kWh around here
 55 2011-01-15 00:24:59 <brocktice> JHC, what's that 40A?
 56 2011-01-15 00:25:09 <brocktice> not sure of PF
 57 2011-01-15 00:25:27 <ArtForz> nah
 58 2011-01-15 00:25:42 <ArtForz> evenly distributed over 3 phases of 230/400V
 59 2011-01-15 00:25:48 <brocktice> hahahaha
 60 2011-01-15 00:25:52 <brocktice> you have 3-phase power in your house?
 61 2011-01-15 00:25:57 <ArtForz> yup
 62 2011-01-15 00:26:06 <brocktice> brilliant
 63 2011-01-15 00:26:19 <brocktice> are you using PDUs?
 64 2011-01-15 00:26:25 <ArtForz> my generator is 15kW electric, utility service is 3*63A
 65 2011-01-15 00:26:41 <midnightmagic> 8.8kW * 720 = 6336 kWh. 135 kWh * 0.06 ~= $8.10 + 6201 * 0.086 ~= 533.29 + $8.10 = $541.. CAD.
 66 2011-01-15 00:27:14 <ArtForz> nah, just pulled 3*16A from a subpanel to some reinforced power strips
 67 2011-01-15 00:27:15 <midnightmagic> ah, right. you said that once. $0.3 USD for power.
 68 2011-01-15 00:27:43 <midnightmagic> christ..  expensive power there.
 69 2011-01-15 00:27:59 <ArtForz> stupid govt policy
 70 2011-01-15 00:28:05 <midnightmagic> that is BRUTAL man.. wow.
 71 2011-01-15 00:28:10 <da2ce7> so that is like 4% in power...
 72 2011-01-15 00:28:30 <ArtForz> normal power price would be about 2/3 of that, the rest is fucking eco tax
 73 2011-01-15 00:28:48 <midnightmagic> call it by its right name, now: econazi tax.
 74 2011-01-15 00:28:56 <brocktice> Well, there are dumber ways to enforce such things
 75 2011-01-15 00:28:57 <Cusipzzz> wow, thought I had it bad at .18
 76 2011-01-15 00:29:01 <brocktice> CAFE standards, for example.
 77 2011-01-15 00:29:12 <ArtForz> which is in turn used to pay like $0.4/kWh for solar/wind/... generators
 78 2011-01-15 00:29:46 <da2ce7> wish me luck... updating drivers.
 79 2011-01-15 00:29:50 <brocktice> "Let's invent fuel economy standards to make people be more energy efficient, but leave a gaping fucking loophole for the most giant cars."
 80 2011-01-15 00:29:56 <da2ce7> (this windows needs a format badly)
 81 2011-01-15 00:30:05 <brocktice> OR: raise fuel taxes (the sane answer)
 82 2011-01-15 00:30:18 <midnightmagic> good luck man!
 83 2011-01-15 00:30:19 <ArtForz> thats what our govt did
 84 2011-01-15 00:30:26 <brocktice> Well, it's more sane than CAFE.
 85 2011-01-15 00:30:39 <brocktice> If your goal is to reduce fuel consumption.
 86 2011-01-15 00:31:12 <ArtForz> result, we now pay about $7.50/gal for gas
 87 2011-01-15 00:31:27 <brocktice> About 2x what it is here
 88 2011-01-15 00:31:39 <brocktice> Though in seattle I'll bet it's near $4/gal
 89 2011-01-15 00:31:48 <brocktice> we're at $3.09
 90 2011-01-15 00:31:50 <ArtForz> and again, about 1/3 of that is eco tax
 91 2011-01-15 00:32:06 <ArtForz> oh and we have the same crazy tax laws for cars
 92 2011-01-15 00:32:38 <ArtForz> you pay like $2k/yr tax for a 20 yr old sedan w/o catalytic converter or anything
 93 2011-01-15 00:33:00 <da2ce7> fuck that, there should be less tax
 94 2011-01-15 00:33:09 <ArtForz> my 20 yr old diesel? $140/yr, it's a light truck!
 95 2011-01-15 00:33:45 <brocktice> oi
 96 2011-01-15 00:34:16 <ArtForz> and you better not drive a white car behind me unless you like black spots ;)
 97 2011-01-15 00:35:13 <ArtForz> injection pump is shot, #3 cylinder gets too much fuel and runs sooty as hell
 98 2011-01-15 00:35:52 <brocktice> I'd hate to be stuck behind you on the Autobahn.
 99 2011-01-15 00:35:57 <midnightmagic> let's see.. I think we're about $0.85 -> $0.95/L here.
100 2011-01-15 00:36:23 <ArtForz> you probably wouldnt, flat out ~65mph
101 2011-01-15 00:36:48 <da2ce7> dont have enougth time to re-install windows....fuck.
102 2011-01-15 00:37:00 <ArtForz> my 2nd car? a '87 diesel vanagon ;)
103 2011-01-15 00:37:28 <brocktice> "My other car has even worse fuel efficiency"
104 2011-01-15 00:37:32 <ArtForz> 50hp
105 2011-01-15 00:37:39 <ArtForz> 60 mph downhill. with strong tailwind...
106 2011-01-15 00:38:21 <ArtForz> but having 1.2 metric tons cargo capacity and a trailer hitch is kinda useful
107 2011-01-15 00:38:47 <ArtForz> though fully loaded you kinda get stuck in front of trucks ...
108 2011-01-15 00:40:04 <ArtForz> but really fun to drive
109 2011-01-15 00:40:20 <da2ce7> found issue...  m0's and TOR = SUCK
110 2011-01-15 00:40:37 <ArtForz> ahh
111 2011-01-15 00:41:28 <da2ce7> slush, in what way was my data jumbled... Tor, in theroy should have been fine.
112 2011-01-15 00:42:22 <slush> da2ce7: You are connecting to pool with tor?
113 2011-01-15 00:42:24 <necrodearia> Hey, maybe in 2-3 months we can push for a slashdot article for satoshi nakamoto ^_^ http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=11/01/15/016241
114 2011-01-15 00:42:34 <ArtForz> aaaand
115 2011-01-15 00:42:34 <da2ce7> slush, was. not anymore.
116 2011-01-15 00:42:35 <ArtForz> testnet diff changed again
117 2011-01-15 00:43:56 <da2ce7> we need to make a 'easy testnet' where the dificulty always stays on 1
118 2011-01-15 00:44:17 <tcatm> 1 is too easy
119 2011-01-15 00:44:29 <da2ce7> hmm then 32 like slush miner
120 2011-01-15 00:44:37 <tcatm> but you can always start your own "testnet"
121 2011-01-15 00:44:50 <tcatm> -noirc -connect=127.0.0.1
122 2011-01-15 00:45:10 <da2ce7> but don't you need to make your own genisis block?
123 2011-01-15 00:45:13 <slush> da2ce7: well, I don't log whole responses, I have same error for all exceptions around parsing hash from getwork
124 2011-01-15 00:45:46 <da2ce7> so if I was submiting blocks from all sorts of differnt IP addresses, it should have been fine?
125 2011-01-15 00:45:48 <slush> da2ce7: Current difficulty on pool is 1; but I'm working on to make dynamic
126 2011-01-15 00:46:08 <tcatm> da2ce7: such a testnet is only good for checking miners
127 2011-01-15 00:46:33 <da2ce7> tcatm, isn't that a valid reasion to have a test-net.
128 2011-01-15 00:46:48 <slush> *to make difficulty dynamic per worker
129 2011-01-15 00:47:33 <tcatm> I think testnet is more useful to test actual bitcoin services and transactions.
130 2011-01-15 00:48:27 <da2ce7> yeah, I agree, the current testnet is great for that... but we could have a -miningtest option on bitcoin.
131 2011-01-15 00:48:30 <tcatm> Someone should make a dummy getwork daemon for testing miners :)
132 2011-01-15 00:48:44 <ArtForz> yep
133 2011-01-15 00:49:00 <ArtForz> send a mix of known-nothing and known-result works and see if you get the correct results
134 2011-01-15 00:49:27 <tcatm> Like replay the blockchain but change nonce = 0 and see if you get the same blocks
135 2011-01-15 00:49:50 <ArtForz> yep, pretty much
136 2011-01-15 00:49:55 <da2ce7> well, boys and maybe girls. I'm gotta go. Be back in 2 weeks or so. :) keep up the good work.
137 2011-01-15 00:50:05 <ArtForz> thats pretty much what my gpu-test program does
138 2011-01-15 00:50:11 <ArtForz> well, without the getwork server part
139 2011-01-15 00:50:35 <da2ce7> if you need to contact me, pm me on the forum.
140 2011-01-15 00:50:38 <ArtForz> pretty much just a miner getting fed known-good headers from the block chain
141 2011-01-15 00:51:05 <nevezen> artforz, what's the hash/s your cluster puts out?
142 2011-01-15 00:51:18 <ArtForz> 16.5Ghps
143 2011-01-15 00:51:34 <da2ce7> I have access to arround 600 BTC, so I should be able to fuffill any bounty'ies that are outstanding.
144 2011-01-15 00:51:52 <nevezen> wow, so you're likely to generate a coin within an hour?
145 2011-01-15 00:52:07 <ArtForz> ;;bc,calc 16500000
146 2011-01-15 00:52:08 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 16500000 Khps, given current difficulty of 16307.48285682 , is 1 hour, 10 minutes, and 44 seconds
147 2011-01-15 00:52:55 <nevezen> or is that 50 coins?
148 2011-01-15 00:53:07 <ArtForz> 50 coins
149 2011-01-15 00:53:27 <ArtForz> so a bit over 1kBTC/day
150 2011-01-15 00:54:16 <nevezen> wow, so it really can pay for you electricity bills.. :/
151 2011-01-15 00:54:19 <ArtForz> ;;bc,calcd 16500000 18550
152 2011-01-15 00:54:19 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 16500000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 18550, is 1 hour, 20 minutes, and 28 seconds
153 2011-01-15 00:54:49 <nevezen> that's w/o a pool right?
154 2011-01-15 00:54:53 <ArtForz> ... about 900btc/day at upcoming diff
155 2011-01-15 00:54:54 <ArtForz> yep
156 2011-01-15 00:56:57 <Cusipzzz> you are printing money at ~.40 per =)
157 2011-01-15 00:57:54 <brocktice> ;;bc,calcd 2300000 18550
158 2011-01-15 00:57:55 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 2300000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 18550, is 9 hours, 37 minutes, and 19 seconds
159 2011-01-15 00:58:02 <brocktice> ;;bc,stats
160 2011-01-15 00:58:04 <gribble> Current Blocks: 102734 | Current Difficulty: 16307.48285682 | Next Difficulty At Block: 102815 | Next Difficulty In: 81 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 11 hours, 16 minutes, and 21 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 18467.61218417
161 2011-01-15 00:58:15 <brocktice> ;;bc,calc 2300000
162 2011-01-15 00:58:16 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 2300000 Khps, given current difficulty of 16307.48285682 , is 8 hours, 27 minutes, and 32 seconds
163 2011-01-15 00:58:25 <tcatm> This account hub idea from brucewagner is strange.
164 2011-01-15 00:58:44 <brocktice> tcatm: It's because of the inherent delay in bitcoin transactions
165 2011-01-15 00:59:09 <tcatm> well it doesn't solve that problem
166 2011-01-15 00:59:26 <brocktice> oh
167 2011-01-15 00:59:29 <brocktice> I thought that was the point
168 2011-01-15 00:59:34 <brocktice> but I haven't read that thread in depth
169 2011-01-15 00:59:36 <tcatm> it just tries to add a little trust to 0/unconfirmed
170 2011-01-15 00:59:40 <ArtForz> looks like we're headed for < +14% diff increase this time
171 2011-01-15 01:00:12 <Cusipzzz> i'd rather wait the <10 min then have these allegedly trusted AH nodes or whatever
172 2011-01-15 01:00:13 <brocktice> ArtForz: That's a big drop, yes?
173 2011-01-15 01:00:21 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 22000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 18550, is 5 weeks, 6 days, 21 hours, 57 minutes, and 18 seconds
174 2011-01-15 01:00:21 <nevezen> ;;bc,calcd 22000 18550
175 2011-01-15 01:00:29 <tcatm> at the cost of tying every TX to well-known (at least to the account hubs) accounts
176 2011-01-15 01:00:46 <brocktice> nevezen: still using the GT 8800 or whatever?
177 2011-01-15 01:00:48 <ArtForz> we used to have +30 - +50% per diff period
178 2011-01-15 01:00:56 <nevezen> yes
179 2011-01-15 01:01:03 <brocktice> ArtForz: like you said, if the current price holds, it'll probably come back up
180 2011-01-15 01:01:09 <ArtForz> yep
181 2011-01-15 01:01:14 <brocktice> people are discussing building 20-5970 farms on the forums
182 2011-01-15 01:01:14 <slush> I expect difficulty will rise in next round, because of rising BTC price...
183 2011-01-15 01:01:23 <nevezen> probably doesn't make a dent on coin generation :(
184 2011-01-15 01:01:26 <brocktice> Although I expect they will encounter... problems.
185 2011-01-15 01:01:44 <ArtForz> well, it's certainly doable
186 2011-01-15 01:01:44 <brocktice> #1 finding 5970s at a reasonable price
187 2011-01-15 01:01:55 <ArtForz> thats easy
188 2011-01-15 01:01:55 <brocktice> Sapphires are listed again on newegg but out of stick
189 2011-01-15 01:01:57 <brocktice> *stock
190 2011-01-15 01:02:13 <ArtForz> etailer here has 32 in stock @ 415EUR
191 2011-01-15 01:02:18 <nevezen> I'm just amazed on how people are dedicated to mining
192 2011-01-15 01:02:26 <brocktice> nevezen: *dedicated*?
193 2011-01-15 01:02:43 <nevezen> like buying 5970 in bulk and setting them up specifically for mining
194 2011-01-15 01:02:47 <brocktice> When you buy a $550 video card you're dedicated to something for sure
195 2011-01-15 01:02:52 <ArtForz> it's called investing
196 2011-01-15 01:02:56 <brocktice> normally I think that's "gaming"
197 2011-01-15 01:02:58 <brocktice> ArtForz: yup
198 2011-01-15 01:03:22 <nevezen> right, investing. so when you get a good return, you can afford for the "next best" gpu card :)
199 2011-01-15 01:03:33 <brocktice> yeah I 'reinvested' my mining profits in another 5970
200 2011-01-15 01:03:40 <brocktice> like Art has done on a much larger scale
201 2011-01-15 01:03:52 <ArtForz> yep, early mover advantage
202 2011-01-15 01:03:57 <brocktice> mmhmm
203 2011-01-15 01:03:58 <nevezen> early adopter :)
204 2011-01-15 01:04:07 <brocktice> I am unfortunately limited by my power
205 2011-01-15 01:04:19 <nevezen> when did the first gpu miner become publically available?
206 2011-01-15 01:04:24 <brocktice> but like I said before, if the price trend keeps up I'll pay the $2k to have 200A service installed.
207 2011-01-15 01:04:37 <brocktice> good selling point when we move in ~10mo too
208 2011-01-15 01:05:05 <ArtForz> my first OpenCL card went up mid july
209 2011-01-15 01:05:21 <ArtForz> m0s miner was released late september I think
210 2011-01-15 01:05:25 <brocktice> goddamn, you must have made a killing
211 2011-01-15 01:05:48 <brocktice> that reminds me, I need to donate to m0 again
212 2011-01-15 01:05:52 <ArtForz> not really
213 2011-01-15 01:06:08 <ArtForz> I only invested about $500 back then
214 2011-01-15 01:06:19 <ArtForz> used the returns to buy more HW
215 2011-01-15 01:06:38 <ArtForz> thats how I ended up with 24 paid-off 5970s
216 2011-01-15 01:06:58 <ArtForz> ... and a lot of other hardware
217 2011-01-15 01:07:12 <brocktice> heh
218 2011-01-15 01:07:14 <brocktice> and heat all winter
219 2011-01-15 01:07:27 <ArtForz> well, I would get that anyways
220 2011-01-15 01:07:43 <brocktice> But surely it is paying for itself this time
221 2011-01-15 01:07:48 <brocktice> 'Free' heat all winter
222 2011-01-15 01:07:50 <ArtForz> yep
223 2011-01-15 01:07:53 <ArtForz> doesnt matter if the immersion heaters or a bunch of GPUs consume enough to power to get enough heat output from my generator
224 2011-01-15 01:08:05 <ArtForz> it already well paid for itself
225 2011-01-15 01:08:27 <brocktice> Brilliant system, bitcoin
226 2011-01-15 01:08:30 <brocktice> in terms of incentives
227 2011-01-15 01:09:01 <ArtForz> current profits are going towards paying back the $50k for my ASIC run
228 2011-01-15 01:09:33 <midnightmagic> do you use exchangezone too? seems like everyone i talk to does.
229 2011-01-15 01:09:36 <brocktice> What will it cost for a set-up of those?
230 2011-01-15 01:09:43 <brocktice> If/when you sell them
231 2011-01-15 01:09:43 <nevezen> how long until 50 btc becomes 25?
232 2011-01-15 01:09:53 <brocktice> nevezen: 2.5 years or so I think?
233 2011-01-15 01:09:57 <midnightmagic> nevezen: that's a ways off.
234 2011-01-15 01:10:09 <ArtForz> don't know yet, still havnt finalized a manufacturable board design
235 2011-01-15 01:10:16 <nevezen> so you all are living the dream
236 2011-01-15 01:10:41 <nevezen> I wonder if it'll be worth it when you can only mine 25 per block..
237 2011-01-15 01:10:45 <midnightmagic> nevezen: like a lovecraftian hero!
238 2011-01-15 01:10:58 <ArtForz> my current design is geared towards easy debugging and being able to solder with "hobby" equipment
239 2011-01-15 01:11:01 <midnightmagic> nevezen: prices will probably rise a chunk.
240 2011-01-15 01:11:05 <nevezen> and all this mining underneath real transactions :)
241 2011-01-15 01:11:06 <ArtForz> aka toaster oven reflow
242 2011-01-15 01:11:17 <brocktice> nevezen: Prices are already more than enough for that
243 2011-01-15 01:11:25 <brocktice> hardware amortization will take longer though
244 2011-01-15 01:12:22 <ArtForz> why yes, I am reflowing $200 ASICs in a $40 toaster oven controlled by a $2 micro
245 2011-01-15 01:12:25 <midnightmagic> brocktice: that's a pretty unfortunate part. when mining gets to the point where normal people can't participate, it'll consolidate into high-$ investment groups and we'll all have to trust that they won't take advantage of everyone else.
246 2011-01-15 01:12:49 <brocktice> midnightmagic: It's already there
247 2011-01-15 01:12:51 <brocktice> more or less
248 2011-01-15 01:13:05 <nevezen> I know it's still a long way off but what happens after coins can no longer be mined?
249 2011-01-15 01:13:16 <nevezen> or been mined to exaustion..
250 2011-01-15 01:13:26 <ArtForz> transaction fees will take over (hopefully)
251 2011-01-15 01:13:32 <midnightmagic> brocktice: I'm not an investment group and after about 18 days of mining, my cards are just about 20% paid off.
252 2011-01-15 01:13:40 <brocktice> midnightmagic: wow, that's pretty good
253 2011-01-15 01:13:47 <brocktice> given diff these days
254 2011-01-15 01:13:59 <ArtForz> all you need is cheap power really
255 2011-01-15 01:14:02 <midnightmagic> well..  I kind of cheated on initial investment costs, I got some cheap 5970 pre-christmas.
256 2011-01-15 01:14:24 <nevezen> will they create a new genesis block, just for mining when the times comes?
257 2011-01-15 01:14:27 <midnightmagic> thanks to art's open-ness. :)
258 2011-01-15 01:14:47 <ArtForz> btw, I'm still waiting for the first bitcoin grow-op raid :P
259 2011-01-15 01:15:08 <brocktice> ArtForz: I figured
260 2011-01-15 01:15:20 <brocktice> ArtForz: Although apparently they're using grid analysis for that.
261 2011-01-15 01:15:29 <brocktice> And you're not really on the grid, and you're not stealing power
262 2011-01-15 01:15:34 <ArtForz> yeah
263 2011-01-15 01:15:34 <midnightmagic> btw, have I thanked you yet for how open you are with information about mining, Art? If not, thank you. If it weren't for your unassailable logic I wouldn't have picked up any cards.
264 2011-01-15 01:15:39 <brocktice> Apparently this is a big problem in die Niederlaende
265 2011-01-15 01:15:57 <brocktice> Yeah, it impresses me how helpful you are, Art.
266 2011-01-15 01:15:58 <ArtForz> but I guess others are running similar clusters
267 2011-01-15 01:17:14 <ArtForz> well, it's what I like to do
268 2011-01-15 01:17:52 <midnightmagic> are you secretly satoshi?
269 2011-01-15 01:17:55 <ArtForz> nope
270 2011-01-15 01:18:07 <brocktice> Would you answer yes to that question if you were?
271 2011-01-15 01:18:18 <ArtForz> probably no
272 2011-01-15 01:18:23 <midnightmagic> i think he would, and then put a little smilie face on it.
273 2011-01-15 01:18:26 <brocktice> right, so it's pointless to ask
274 2011-01-15 01:18:37 <midnightmagic> and then we could all stand up and say, "No, I'm Satoshi!"
275 2011-01-15 01:18:46 <ArtForz> life of brian?
276 2011-01-15 01:18:50 <brocktice> I'm the real slim shady
277 2011-01-15 01:19:12 <midnightmagic> not pointless. there's always comedy!
278 2011-01-15 01:19:15 <midnightmagic> =]
279 2011-01-15 01:19:43 <ArtForz> I also like getting people to learn things
280 2011-01-15 01:20:03 <brocktice> ArtForz: I kind of feel like you need a FAQ
281 2011-01-15 01:20:18 <brocktice> because I've seen you answer the same questions (including ones I asked when I started) over and over
282 2011-01-15 01:20:46 <ArtForz> *shrug* I really don't mind as long as they're not totally stupid
283 2011-01-15 01:21:20 <ArtForz> benefits of manning student helldesk @ uni
284 2011-01-15 01:21:32 <brocktice> heh
285 2011-01-15 01:21:40 <brocktice> Yeah I worked at the business school computer lab in undergrad
286 2011-01-15 01:21:47 <brocktice> I had to make signs telling people where the stapler was
287 2011-01-15 01:21:48 <brocktice> no joke
288 2011-01-15 01:21:54 <ArtForz> yep
289 2011-01-15 01:21:54 <brocktice> I used a screenshot from Office Space
290 2011-01-15 01:22:15 <ArtForz> imo a very valuable experience
291 2011-01-15 01:22:32 <ArtForz> most people aren't stupid, just clueless
292 2011-01-15 01:22:39 <brocktice> It was not enough to prepare me for a toddler, though.
293 2011-01-15 01:23:09 <ArtForz> hehe, true
294 2011-01-15 01:24:05 <ArtForz> though some kids are way worse than others
295 2011-01-15 01:24:27 <brocktice> our oldest is good, but when she gets overtired, whoa man
296 2011-01-15 01:26:17 <ArtForz> yep, that can be... annoying
297 2011-01-15 01:27:49 <ArtForz> my oldest is 10
298 2011-01-15 01:28:04 <brocktice> youngest?
299 2011-01-15 01:28:14 <ArtForz> 5
300 2011-01-15 01:28:27 <brocktice> ah, well, it should be getting better for a few more years then right?
301 2011-01-15 01:28:32 <ArtForz> yep
302 2011-01-15 01:28:35 <brocktice> mine are 2 and 1mo
303 2011-01-15 01:28:39 <BitterTea> Does anyone know if there's a spec for the wallet format somewhere?
304 2011-01-15 01:28:43 <BitterTea> I have been unable to find one.
305 2011-01-15 01:28:47 <brocktice> BitterTea: it's a berkely db isn't it?
306 2011-01-15 01:29:19 <BitterTea> brocktice: I dunno, is it? :)
307 2011-01-15 01:29:26 <brocktice> AFAIK
308 2011-01-15 01:29:30 <tcatm> it is
309 2011-01-15 01:29:41 <nevezen> what's the link to the public log of #bitcoin-dev?
310 2011-01-15 01:29:50 <tcatm> BitterTea: look for bitcointools
311 2011-01-15 01:30:06 <BitterTea> nevezen: http://bit.ly/cdmwSu
312 2011-01-15 01:30:31 <ArtForz> currently my oldest is causing some problems at school
313 2011-01-15 01:30:38 <BitterTea> tcatm: Excellent, thanks
314 2011-01-15 01:31:06 <brocktice> ArtForz: Oh?
315 2011-01-15 01:31:12 <ArtForz> yeah
316 2011-01-15 01:31:24 <brocktice> How so?
317 2011-01-15 01:31:30 <ArtForz> she's not *having* problems at all, just bored and finding new ways to annoy everyone
318 2011-01-15 01:31:36 <brocktice> Ah well
319 2011-01-15 01:31:43 <brocktice> Being your daughter I don't doubt she'd be bored.
320 2011-01-15 01:31:56 <brocktice> We are considering unschooling.
321 2011-01-15 01:32:05 <brocktice> and/or homeschooling
322 2011-01-15 01:32:22 <ArtForz> yeah, I'm considering having her skip a grade at least, because this is fucking ridiculous
323 2011-01-15 01:32:29 <nevezen> thx
324 2011-01-15 01:32:52 <ArtForz> she reminds me a lot of myself really
325 2011-01-15 01:33:46 <ArtForz> and I kinda dont want her to go through the same crap I did
326 2011-01-15 01:36:20 <xelister> [02:17] <ArtForz> xelister had to fight with fglrx on linux for ages until it finally decided to stop reenabling crossfire for no apparent reason
327 2011-01-15 01:36:21 <xelister> [02:17] <da2ce7> hmm. dam ATI.
328 2011-01-15 01:37:11 <xelister> I set a bid to hire local kids to toiled paper'd CEO of Ati driver devision :P
329 2011-01-15 01:38:52 <Kiba> ?
330 2011-01-15 01:49:33 <xelister> ArtForz: public school system is anyway designed for idiots mostly
331 2011-01-15 01:49:37 <xelister> especially in usa
332 2011-01-15 01:49:50 <xelister> and you are from where btw
333 2011-01-15 01:53:36 <Kiba> ArtForz: how about Khan Academy?
334 2011-01-15 01:54:38 <Kiba> hackers having childreN?
335 2011-01-15 01:54:42 <Kiba> who could have thunk?
336 2011-01-15 01:59:17 <brocktice> today is a good day
337 2011-01-15 01:59:20 <brocktice> 4 blocks so far
338 2011-01-15 01:59:28 <brocktice> I am 'due' only 2-3
339 2011-01-15 01:59:55 <Cusipzzz> mbn =)
340 2011-01-15 02:12:16 <brocktice> woohoo, wife found an old masterlock, couldn't remember the combo.
341 2011-01-15 02:12:18 <brocktice> Cracked it.
342 2011-01-15 02:29:47 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 530000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 400, is 54 minutes and 1 second
343 2011-01-15 02:29:47 <xelister> ;;bc,calcd 530000 400
344 2011-01-15 02:37:28 <Kiba> dad threaten to sit in my room
345 2011-01-15 02:37:40 <Kiba> dad realized that he is not as patient as his son
346 2011-01-15 02:37:44 <Kiba> dad goes away. I win.
347 2011-01-15 02:38:37 <xelister> what did you do
348 2011-01-15 02:38:45 <Kiba> not take care of my pimple
349 2011-01-15 02:38:51 <Kiba> last time, it was not cleaning my room
350 2011-01-15 02:45:51 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 400, is 2 weeks, 5 days, 21 hours, 13 minutes, and 6 seconds
351 2011-01-15 02:45:51 <xelister> ;;bc,calcd 1000 400
352 2011-01-15 03:04:08 <AtlasLGo> Alright, are you guys willing to give relationship advice?
353 2011-01-15 03:05:02 <AtlasLGo> Actually, nevermind.
354 2011-01-15 03:10:32 <luke-jr> lol
355 2011-01-15 03:18:38 <tcatm> fscking SSL. Why does it have to keep the connection open?
356 2011-01-15 03:46:27 <xelister> tcatm: what connection?
357 2011-01-15 03:48:05 <tcatm> android web browser -> SSL webserver
358 2011-01-15 03:49:58 <tcatm> it even keeps it open after sending "HTTP/1.0" and "Connection: close" and shutting down the socket
359 2011-01-15 04:15:25 <nanotube> have there been any more votes on i2p relaying in this chan?
360 2011-01-15 04:28:13 <noagendamarket> Keefe are you around?
361 2011-01-15 04:43:59 <OneFixt> anyone have a ton of extra testnet btc lying around?
362 2011-01-15 04:44:08 <Kiba> man, I hope the ads market is set up soon
363 2011-01-15 04:47:54 <Kiba> it seem that everything in the past are all embrassment
364 2011-01-15 04:51:40 <[Noodles]> OneFixt: not a ton, but a few, how many do you need?
365 2011-01-15 04:57:11 <Keefe> noagendamarket: just got back online. see pm. unexpected visitor kept me afk
366 2011-01-15 04:57:14 <OneFixt> [Noodles]: whatever you can spare would be fine, thanks: mk86rc7C4cTgjed2UQhpyK11RGHXEjubnw
367 2011-01-15 04:58:02 <Keefe> OneFixt: looking to trade?
368 2011-01-15 04:58:20 <OneFixt> Keefe: yep, pmed you
369 2011-01-15 05:03:19 <newsham> spare some change, man?
370 2011-01-15 05:03:36 <newsham> ePanHandlR
371 2011-01-15 05:05:22 <nanotube> 1GiVEmeSoMEco1nZplZ
372 2011-01-15 05:05:24 <nanotube> heh
373 2011-01-15 05:12:22 <Kiba> wee
374 2011-01-15 05:12:24 <Kiba> 263.71
375 2011-01-15 05:12:27 <Kiba> btc
376 2011-01-15 05:12:41 <Kiba> yay
377 2011-01-15 05:12:45 <Kiba> I have 105 dollars in saving
378 2011-01-15 05:12:51 <lfm> wtg
379 2011-01-15 05:17:07 <luke-jr> I have 10 TBC for 1000 testnet BTC? :P
380 2011-01-15 05:17:13 <luke-jr> let's give testnet some value?
381 2011-01-15 05:19:06 <nanotube> luke-jr: what's a tbc in terms of btc, again?
382 2011-01-15 05:19:31 <jgarzik> TBC == nanocoin?
383 2011-01-15 05:19:36 <Kiba> tonal
384 2011-01-15 05:19:37 <Kiba> bitcoin
385 2011-01-15 05:19:44 <Kiba> luke-jr's weird invention
386 2011-01-15 05:19:51 <nanotube> tonal is not his invention
387 2011-01-15 05:19:55 <nanotube> just his adoption :)
388 2011-01-15 05:20:11 <nanotube> there's a wp page about the tonal number system
389 2011-01-15 05:20:28 <nanotube> ah iirc he made a bc wiki page about it
390 2011-01-15 05:20:36 <nanotube> ;;bc,wiki tonal
391 2011-01-15 05:20:43 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Talk:Schema | Jan 12, 2011 ... SI/decimal is the inferior competition/enemy of the superior Tonal system. That is, to be avoided. (Chinese is a standard language ...
392 2011-01-15 05:20:49 <nanotube> mmm not that. heh.
393 2011-01-15 05:21:25 <nanotube> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Tonal_BitCoin
394 2011-01-15 05:21:27 <nanotube> aha
395 2011-01-15 05:21:42 <nanotube> 0.00065536  btc is 1 tbc
396 2011-01-15 05:22:07 <lfm> oh how handy!
397 2011-01-15 05:22:16 <nanotube> so that means he wants to buy 1000 tnbtc for 0.006x realbtc.
398 2011-01-15 05:22:27 <nanotube> which is curretnly impossible given the min tx in stock client. heh.
399 2011-01-15 05:22:33 <nanotube> lfm: yea, not handy at all. :)
400 2011-01-15 05:22:45 <xelister> shit, we broken testnet
401 2011-01-15 05:23:04 <xelister> it's all ArtForz fault ;)
402 2011-01-15 05:23:13 <nanotube> why, tn still works just fine.
403 2011-01-15 05:23:15 <nanotube> heh
404 2011-01-15 05:24:46 <nanotube> heh you couldn't have gotten very far in 65 seconds.
405 2011-01-15 05:24:58 <nanotube> xelister: --^
406 2011-01-15 05:26:46 <xelister> no really we broke testnet lol... it will take months with 1 gpu to fix it to be usable from cpu
407 2011-01-15 05:27:19 <xelister> the rules should be change for faster lowering of diff,  and alos lower it not just each 2000 blocks but also each 48 h
408 2011-01-15 05:27:36 <nanotube> don't think that's going to happen.
409 2011-01-15 05:28:32 <lfm> xelister and this is bad how?
410 2011-01-15 05:29:15 <[Noodles]> what's the current diff on testnet?
411 2011-01-15 05:30:25 <nanotube> 186 mn-equiv diff, [Noodles]
412 2011-01-15 05:30:35 <nanotube> check out blockexplorer.com/testnet
413 2011-01-15 05:30:51 <Kiba> everyone feel an europhia over the last few days!