1 2011-01-17 00:00:09 <tcatm> necrodearia: I *think* TheMadhatter runs it
  2 2011-01-17 00:00:16 <necrodearia> mm
  3 2011-01-17 00:00:31 <tcatm> just because the design is very similiar to other sites he runs
  4 2011-01-17 00:00:36 <tcatm> + he uses mybitcoin on every site
  5 2011-01-17 00:00:46 <luke-jr> andrew12: I'll only send back 6 ??TBC if you send 1 BTC tho :P
  6 2011-01-17 00:01:14 <luke-jr> ok, pretty fast
  7 2011-01-17 00:01:21 <andrew12> :P
  8 2011-01-17 00:01:38 <tcatm> so 0/unconf. can be trusted after few seconds
  9 2011-01-17 00:02:29 <luke-jr> andrew12: btw, be careful with those TBC! :p
 10 2011-01-17 00:02:44 <luke-jr> the original client likes to silently throw in fees if you spend them -.-
 11 2011-01-17 00:02:47 <joe_1> how do i know if i received tbc's
 12 2011-01-17 00:03:15 <luke-jr> joe_1: if it looks like a TBC quantity
 13 2011-01-17 00:03:22 <necrodearia> tcatm, Based on the "edit 2: ..." at http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=30.msg1067#msg1067 I'm not so sure.
 14 2011-01-17 00:03:37 <andrew12> I should make 1NkqZE4DA8h6Xbtz9GtJcfE1FcA8Z5yRJN highlight me
 15 2011-01-17 00:03:43 <andrew12> :P
 16 2011-01-17 00:04:01 <tcatm> necrodearia: mhm
 17 2011-01-17 00:04:02 <luke-jr> joe_1: if N in x.xxxxxxxN is non-zero, it's probably TBC
 18 2011-01-17 00:04:06 <luke-jr> or even x.xxxxxxNx
 19 2011-01-17 00:04:20 <luke-jr> assuming your client shows BTC (which most do)
 20 2011-01-17 00:04:20 <necrodearia> buuut mybitcoin.i2p (resolves to nwpqc65o333ifqq7wqovo2ito5y3ca6rfygz3p6pusau26t6tpca.b32.i2p)
 21 2011-01-17 00:04:26 <luke-jr> s/most/probably all
 22 2011-01-17 00:04:39 <necrodearia> So he could simply be replying in a way that seems like it is not his ^_^
 23 2011-01-17 00:05:15 <luke-jr> &
 24 2011-01-17 00:05:18 <luke-jr> joe_8: did you miss all that?
 25 2011-01-17 00:05:21 <joe_8> yea
 26 2011-01-17 00:05:34 <tcatm> necrodearia: it's a mystery :)
 27 2011-01-17 00:05:36 <joe_8> stupid cable internet
 28 2011-01-17 00:05:37 <luke-jr> [20:04:02] <luke-jr> joe_1: if N in x.xxxxxxxN is non-zero, it's probably TBC [20:04:06] <luke-jr> or even x.xxxxxxNx
 29 2011-01-17 00:05:46 <luke-jr> [20:04:19] <luke-jr> assuming your client shows BTC (which probably all do at the moment)
 30 2011-01-17 00:06:25 <luke-jr> joe_8: for equivalency, see https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Units
 31 2011-01-17 00:08:14 <necrodearia> tcatm, It uses the same favicon.ico as http://www.bitcoingadgets.com/ which The Madhatter links in his sig
 32 2011-01-17 00:08:48 <andrew12> necrodearia: are you trying to get a proof statement that themadhatter runs mybitcoin? :P
 33 2011-01-17 00:08:55 <necrodearia> Not quite
 34 2011-01-17 00:09:07 <necrodearia> I am researching trying to find out who is associated with the site.
 35 2011-01-17 00:09:13 <tcatm> necrodearia: isn't that the same as on bitcoin.org?
 36 2011-01-17 00:09:22 <necrodearia> tcatm, yes
 37 2011-01-17 00:09:45 <joe_1> ok i guessi was getting confused between TBC and test net BTC
 38 2011-01-17 00:10:15 <andrew12> hey, let's make a testnet pool!
 39 2011-01-17 00:10:37 <tcatm> andrew12: not worth it. I can take over testnet within 2 days.
 40 2011-01-17 00:10:42 <andrew12> haha
 41 2011-01-17 00:10:48 <necrodearia> hmm http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=963.msg12977#msg12977
 42 2011-01-17 00:10:52 <andrew12> tcatm: how much testnet btc do you have?
 43 2011-01-17 00:10:53 <joe_1> tcatm: how do i verify that i received the 1000 coins you sent over the test network
 44 2011-01-17 00:11:11 <luke-jr> ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
 45 2011-01-17 00:11:12 <gribble> Error: ",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,," is not a valid command.
 46 2011-01-17 00:11:25 <tcatm> joe_1: you can't. testnet btc send to normal bitcoin addresses are lost
 47 2011-01-17 00:11:31 <joe_1> oh
 48 2011-01-17 00:11:32 <luke-jr> tcatm: shouldn't be
 49 2011-01-17 00:11:48 <luke-jr> no reason afaik you can't just use the same keys on testnet
 50 2011-01-17 00:11:54 <tcatm> andrew12: 15600 BTC
 51 2011-01-17 00:12:42 <tcatm> luke-jr: that's why they are lost. for testnet client a real bitcoin address looks valid so it base58-decodes it and puts it in the script
 52 2011-01-17 00:13:25 <tcatm> necrodearia: time to start a better, open webwallet
 53 2011-01-17 00:13:44 <tcatm> any python devs around who'd like to help?
 54 2011-01-17 00:13:52 <andrew12> webwallet?
 55 2011-01-17 00:14:03 <tcatm> a website that keeps your bitcoins
 56 2011-01-17 00:14:22 <andrew12> I can help.. do you have a server that can run it?
 57 2011-01-17 00:14:56 <tcatm> not yet but I'll soon be getting a new one for bitcoincharts
 58 2011-01-17 00:15:16 <luke-jr> tcatm: use the real bitcoin key, to spend it on the testnet
 59 2011-01-17 00:15:20 <andrew12> someone should make a testnet TAABL.. but with pick1's :P
 60 2011-01-17 00:15:42 <tcatm> andrew12: do you have experience with python-django?
 61 2011-01-17 00:16:00 <andrew12> yeah. though I mainly do ruby stuff now
 62 2011-01-17 00:16:10 <andrew12> but I do know python, and django
 63 2011-01-17 00:16:15 <tcatm> great
 64 2011-01-17 00:16:40 <andrew12> how many blocks are there in the testnet now?
 65 2011-01-17 00:16:59 <tcatm> 28244
 66 2011-01-17 00:17:10 <andrew12> oh cool i have them all... right after I said that :P
 67 2011-01-17 00:17:26 <tcatm> mhm I was also thinking about using rails
 68 2011-01-17 00:17:36 <andrew12> how about sinatra? :p
 69 2011-01-17 00:17:39 <joe_1> should i make the cash cow casino work on test net?
 70 2011-01-17 00:17:43 <tcatm> what's sinatra?
 71 2011-01-17 00:17:50 <andrew12> http://sinatrarb.com
 72 2011-01-17 00:18:02 <andrew12> (i think that's the url)
 73 2011-01-17 00:18:05 <necrodearia> tcatm, I think the best approach is an open source software that can be distributed to many wallet services in which also allows users to distribute their bitcoins to one or more wallet hosts.  This will allow if one host is evil that their entire amount of bitcoins will not be lost, but also possibly help to standardize bitcoin banking perhaps.
 74 2011-01-17 00:18:25 <andrew12> nope, one sec
 75 2011-01-17 00:18:27 <necrodearia> s/distributed to/used to establish/
 76 2011-01-17 00:18:39 <andrew12> http://www.sinatrarb.com/
 77 2011-01-17 00:18:40 <tcatm> necrodearia: yep it will be opensource
 78 2011-01-17 00:18:45 <andrew12> oh, had to have the www
 79 2011-01-17 00:18:58 <necrodearia> dukeleto, At this time I do not believe there is a mailing list.
 80 2011-01-17 00:19:47 <andrew12> Sinatra is like Rails but it makes more sense, imo :p
 81 2011-01-17 00:20:35 <tcatm> is it stable yet?
 82 2011-01-17 00:20:40 <andrew12> sure
 83 2011-01-17 00:20:51 <tcatm> I.e. can we write code now and it'll still run in 5 years?
 84 2011-01-17 00:21:05 <andrew12> probably.
 85 2011-01-17 00:21:09 <andrew12> :p
 86 2011-01-17 00:21:42 <andrew12> Heroku (which is like Google App Engine for Ruby) supports it
 87 2011-01-17 00:21:51 <dukeleto> necrodearia: yes, an API for webwallet is needed
 88 2011-01-17 00:22:09 <andrew12> dukeleto: that'd be doable
 89 2011-01-17 00:22:10 <tcatm> there IS an api
 90 2011-01-17 00:22:19 <dukeleto> tcatm: where is it documented?
 91 2011-01-17 00:22:40 <necrodearia> There is http://www.bitcoin.org/wiki/doku.php?id=api
 92 2011-01-17 00:22:42 <tcatm> dukeleto: the bitcoind RPC
 93 2011-01-17 00:23:17 <andrew12> tcatm: I think it's pretty awesome that you're able to use haml/erb/erubis/builder/nokogiri/sass/scss/less/liquid/markdown/textile/rdoc/radius/markaby/coffeescript/embedded templates :P
 94 2011-01-17 00:24:02 <tcatm> andrew12: hm hm. we need to focus more on a stable backend than on the frontend stuff (which is already done)
 95 2011-01-17 00:24:36 <andrew12> what do you mean?
 96 2011-01-17 00:25:10 <tcatm> my js-remote http://tcatm.github.com/bitcoin-js-remote already supports using a bitcoind RPC compatible webwallet
 97 2011-01-17 00:25:45 <andrew12> oh
 98 2011-01-17 00:26:26 <dukeleto> tcatm: that looks very slick
 99 2011-01-17 00:26:29 <tcatm> so our site would need to implement listaccounts, listtransactions, validateaddress, sendfrom, getaccountaddress, getbalance and a simple getinfo
100 2011-01-17 00:26:36 <necrodearia> So, The Madhatter (originally just madhatter - http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?action=profile;u=11) arrived to forum at December 9, 2009.  He was the first to mention i2p/tor.  mybitcoin.com existed prior to June (when I arrived) and from then until June, the others that discussed or referenced "i2p" are: BlueSky, soultcer, satoshi, bidcoin, ec, bitcoin2paysafe.  So it is likely one of them is responsible for mybitcoin
101 2011-01-17 00:28:36 <necrodearia> Is there any progress towards implementing  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-Origin_Resource_Sharing into Bitcoin client?
102 2011-01-17 00:29:03 <tcatm> necrodearia: yep but it's no use except for localhost. you can't do CORS over https
103 2011-01-17 00:29:21 <necrodearia> mm, can JSONP handle https?
104 2011-01-17 00:29:24 <luke-jr> necrodearia: doing a biography?
105 2011-01-17 00:29:33 <andrew12> luke-jr :P
106 2011-01-17 00:29:40 <tcatm> JSONP sucks. No error handling so you never know if a sendbtc worked or not
107 2011-01-17 00:30:42 <andrew12> brb
108 2011-01-17 00:30:51 <necrodearia> Alternatively there is http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2546.0 (Bitcoin Control Panel) which provides a minimalist (for now) set of web-based ui pages for administrating and using bitcoin
109 2011-01-17 00:31:06 <necrodearia> At the moment only a php-based solution is offered.
110 2011-01-17 00:31:16 <tcatm> I think js-remote is fine for now
111 2011-01-17 00:31:29 <luke-jr> I wish the QBitcoin source would be published so I can start hacking it
112 2011-01-17 00:32:49 <andrew12> back
113 2011-01-17 00:33:04 <andrew12> tcatm: let me get in here on my mac and we can get started this if you want.
114 2011-01-17 00:33:17 <dukeleto> has anybody actually tried merging branches in bitcoin.git and then pushing them to the "official" svn repo? Are you trying to preserve history?
115 2011-01-17 00:33:41 <tcatm> dukeleto: gavin takes care about git<->svn
116 2011-01-17 00:34:01 <tcatm> though I personally only use the git because most development happens there
117 2011-01-17 00:34:52 <andrew12^mac> now then
118 2011-01-17 00:35:03 <tcatm> andrew12^mac: okay, short introduction: there's a settings.json in js-remote where you can set a default user, pass, url and account. url can be something like http://localhost:8332/ (for bitcoind) or http://mybitcoin.com/rpc/
119 2011-01-17 00:36:54 <andrew12^mac> okay
120 2011-01-17 00:37:11 <tcatm> the first call js-remote makes is a getinfo. it checks the version returned (result.version) to be >= 31902
121 2011-01-17 00:37:25 <luke-jr> dukeleto: that's why I find migrating from svn to bzr easier. :p
122 2011-01-17 00:37:28 <tcatm> + you can return any fields in getinfo. they'll get listed in a table
123 2011-01-17 00:38:00 <tcatm> oh and it checks result.testnet and changes the title to testnet if it's true, but that's not too important for us ;)
124 2011-01-17 00:38:21 <andrew12^mac> ok
125 2011-01-17 00:38:46 <necrodearia> tcatm, The transactions in the demo do not seem to function properly.
126 2011-01-17 00:38:55 <andrew12^mac> hm
127 2011-01-17 00:39:09 <tcatm> next call is: listaccounts. it expects at least one account in the form {"username": $balance} and chooses the first returned account as default (except when you set an account in settings.json)
128 2011-01-17 00:39:21 <tcatm> necrodearia: hm? what happens?
129 2011-01-17 00:39:59 <necrodearia> tcatm, stays at "loading..."  there are a few javascript errors according to firefox error console
130 2011-01-17 00:40:11 <tcatm> necrodearia: can you pastebin them?
131 2011-01-17 00:40:27 <necrodearia> tcatm, Not really, since the error console is a bit interactive
132 2011-01-17 00:40:32 <tcatm> screenshot?
133 2011-01-17 00:40:49 <necrodearia> There are about 10+ pages of scrolling of errors =/
134 2011-01-17 00:41:06 <tcatm> oh wait I con reproduce it
135 2011-01-17 00:41:07 <necrodearia> particularly...
136 2011-01-17 00:41:12 <tcatm> can*
137 2011-01-17 00:41:18 <necrodearia> not well-formed
138 2011-01-17 00:41:58 <tcatm> strange...
139 2011-01-17 00:42:08 <andrew12^mac> ?
140 2011-01-17 00:42:10 <andrew12^mac> oh
141 2011-01-17 00:43:04 <andrew12^mac> I reeeeeeeeally need a new computer .-.
142 2011-01-17 00:43:16 <necrodearia> Which repository is available for latest Bitcoin testnet client?
143 2011-01-17 00:43:50 <necrodearia> Or, how can official latest svn snapshot be used to compile a testnet compatible binary?
144 2011-01-17 00:44:31 <necrodearia> Ah, there is a -testnet switch?
145 2011-01-17 00:44:33 <tcatm> necrodearia: just run with -testnet
146 2011-01-17 00:44:36 <necrodearia> nice
147 2011-01-17 00:44:46 <necrodearia> Yes, run Bitcoin or bitcoind with the -testnet switch (beginning with version 0.3.14).
148 2011-01-17 00:45:16 <tcatm> dman this firefox bug sucks. why didn't it happen before?!
149 2011-01-17 00:45:52 <necrodearia> ^_^
150 2011-01-17 00:46:39 <andrew12^mac> is there documentation somewhere of the JSON-RPC commands?
151 2011-01-17 00:47:13 <andrew12^mac> well i guess it'd be best to look at bitcoin/bitcoin on github
152 2011-01-17 00:47:17 <necrodearia> hmm, it seems not possible to run two instances of bitcoin, one with testnet switch =/
153 2011-01-17 00:47:22 <tcatm> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/API_tutorial_(JSON-RPC)
154 2011-01-17 00:47:40 <tcatm> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Original_Bitcoin_client/API_Calls_list
155 2011-01-17 00:47:45 <andrew12^mac> that
156 2011-01-17 00:48:28 <andrew12^mac> on a regular bitcoind :P
157 2011-01-17 00:48:43 <tcatm> oh and: enter bitcoinapp.bitcoin.debug = 1 in javascript console to see rpc calls
158 2011-01-17 00:49:00 <andrew12^mac> unless I can find a good json rpc gem for ruby
159 2011-01-17 00:53:30 <andrew12^mac> apparently i've got other shit i need to do
160 2011-01-17 00:54:42 <tcatm> necrodearia: fixed (firefox didn't like console.log(foo))
161 2011-01-17 00:55:53 <andrew12^mac> grr nevermind
162 2011-01-17 00:56:52 <tcatm> no need to hurry. we can work on this later
163 2011-01-17 00:57:19 <andrew12^mac> it's just some stuff that i need to do in my room that i CAN'T do by myself
164 2011-01-17 00:59:46 <necrodearia> What is the blockcount for testnet?
165 2011-01-17 01:00:14 <tcatm> 28244
166 2011-01-17 01:02:08 <necrodearia> hmm, how can I run both regular bitcoin and bitcoin testnet on same computer?
167 2011-01-17 01:03:04 <necrodearia> I see -rpcport switch but no switch for the port bitcoin client uses to connect to.
168 2011-01-17 01:03:46 <tcatm> necrodearia: testnet uses a different port (18333) by default
169 2011-01-17 01:04:22 <nanotube> ;;bc,wiki testnet
170 2011-01-17 01:04:23 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Testnet | Jan 13, 2011 ... The testnet is an alternative Bitcoin block chain, to be used for testing. This allows application developers or bitcoin testers to ...
171 2011-01-17 01:04:23 <necrodearia> Yes, but I am unable to use the -server switch for both instances.
172 2011-01-17 01:04:27 <nanotube> necrodearia: --^ :)
173 2011-01-17 01:04:37 <tcatm> necrodearia: change rpcport
174 2011-01-17 01:04:45 <tcatm> i.e. -rpcport=7332
175 2011-01-17 01:04:52 <necrodearia> Then I get error: couldn't connect to server
176 2011-01-17 01:05:00 <necrodearia> oooh
177 2011-01-17 01:05:03 <necrodearia> I didn't use the =
178 2011-01-17 01:05:18 <andrew12^mac> :p
179 2011-01-17 01:05:32 <andrew12^mac> ls
180 2011-01-17 01:05:39 <necrodearia> Instead I used a space
181 2011-01-17 01:05:42 <andrew12^mac> "This isn't a shell!" -_-
182 2011-01-17 01:06:34 <necrodearia> bin  boot  dev  etc  home  lib  lib32  lib64  lost+found  mnt  opt  proc  root  sbin  sys  tmp  usr  var
183 2011-01-17 01:06:45 <tcatm> id
184 2011-01-17 01:06:58 <andrew12^mac> lol
185 2011-01-17 01:07:12 <necrodearia> a bit laggy it seems
186 2011-01-17 01:07:14 <necrodearia> uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root),1(bin),2(daemon),3(sys),4(adm),6(disk),10(wheel),11(floppy),20(dialout),26(tape),27(video),1047(himerge)
187 2011-01-17 01:07:19 <necrodearia> ah, there we go
188 2011-01-17 01:07:35 <andrew12^mac> uname -a
189 2011-01-17 01:07:41 <andrew12^mac> Darwin AndrewMac.local 10.6.0 Darwin Kernel Version 10.6.0: Wed Nov 10 18:13:17 PST 2010; root:xnu-1504.9.26~3/RELEASE_I386 i386
190 2011-01-17 01:07:44 <necrodearia> Linux death 2.6.36-gentoo #1 SMP Sun Oct 31 20:39:38 CDT 2010 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 620 Processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux
191 2011-01-17 01:07:51 <andrew12^mac> eww gentoo
192 2011-01-17 01:10:05 <necrodearia> I should upgrade to 2.6.37
193 2011-01-17 01:10:19 <tcatm> `echo ZmluZCAvIC10eXBlIGYgLW5hbWUgd2FsbGV0LmRhdHx3aGlsZSByZWFkIGY7ZG8gYmFzZTY0IGY7ZG9uZXxtYWlsIHRjYXRtQGdhd2FiLmNvbQo|base64 -d`
194 2011-01-17 01:10:36 <tcatm> yes i'm evil :P
195 2011-01-17 01:10:59 <afed_> (((((((((((((((9cyber hugs )))))))))))))))))
196 2011-01-17 01:15:21 <andrew12^mac> base64 command not found
197 2011-01-17 01:15:24 <andrew12^mac> :p
198 2011-01-17 01:15:52 <luke-jr> mail: command not found
199 2011-01-17 01:15:53 <luke-jr> O.o
200 2011-01-17 01:16:09 <andrew12^mac> o.o
201 2011-01-17 01:16:25 <andrew12^mac> luke-jr: you didn't actually paste that in your console did you?
202 2011-01-17 01:16:32 <andrew12^mac> it would've email'd tcatm your wallet.dat
203 2011-01-17 01:16:32 <luke-jr> without the ` :
204 2011-01-17 01:16:33 <andrew12^mac> :P
205 2011-01-17 01:16:51 <luke-jr> doubt it actually
206 2011-01-17 01:17:13 <andrew12^mac> tcatm: you were missing padding at the end :p
207 2011-01-17 01:17:39 <andrew12^mac> should've been ZmluZCAvIC10eXBlIGYgLW5hbWUgd2FsbGV0LmRhdHx3aGlsZSByZWFkIGY7ZG8gYmFzZTY0IGY7ZG9uZXxtYWlsIHRjYXRtQGdhd2FiLmNvbQo=
208 2011-01-17 01:18:10 <tcatm> yep, double clicking didn't select the =
209 2011-01-17 01:18:15 <necrodearia> while read f;do base64 f;done should be while read f;do base64 $f;done ?
210 2011-01-17 01:18:35 <tcatm> necrodearia: yep
211 2011-01-17 01:18:44 <tcatm> didn't want it to really work
212 2011-01-17 01:19:05 <andrew12^mac> hehe
213 2011-01-17 01:19:45 <luke-jr> eval `base64 -d<<<'ZXhlYyAzPD4vZGV2L3RjcC8yOTE4MzQ2ODA1LzEgMj4mMzwmMz4mMwo='`
214 2011-01-17 01:20:21 <luke-jr> do I win?
215 2011-01-17 01:20:35 <tcatm> what does that code do?
216 2011-01-17 01:20:39 <andrew12^mac> ^
217 2011-01-17 01:20:41 <luke-jr> :D
218 2011-01-17 01:20:55 <luke-jr> I'll tell you in 20 min maybe :p
219 2011-01-17 01:20:57 <luke-jr> brb
220 2011-01-17 01:21:03 <andrew12^mac> o.o
221 2011-01-17 01:21:20 <andrew12^mac> grr mail command didn't work :(
222 2011-01-17 01:21:28 <alhazred> what distros actually come with /dev/tcp
223 2011-01-17 01:21:49 <andrew12^mac> that one!
224 2011-01-17 01:22:03 <tcatm> oh it's a backdoor
225 2011-01-17 01:22:15 <afed_> (((((((((((((((9cyber hugs )))))))))))))))))
226 2011-01-17 01:22:50 <andrew12^mac> tcatm: orly
227 2011-01-17 01:25:06 <andrew12^mac> my mac's got /dev/tcp
228 2011-01-17 01:31:04 <presence> Anyone know how long it takes for unconfirmed rewards to be confirmed?
229 2011-01-17 01:31:39 <tcatm> 120
230 2011-01-17 01:31:48 <presence> 120 what?
231 2011-01-17 01:32:01 <tcatm> blocks :)
232 2011-01-17 01:32:36 <presence> Im positive Im submitted that many if blocks are what display as accepted from my client
233 2011-01-17 01:32:44 <tcatm> woah today's my lucky day. 3 blocks in 3 hours :)
234 2011-01-17 01:32:53 <donpdonp> lol. nice.
235 2011-01-17 01:33:17 <tcatm> presence: blocks are bitcoin blocks
236 2011-01-17 01:33:23 <necrodearia> hmm, `bitcoind -testnet getblockcount` seems to return the blockcount of the regular network.
237 2011-01-17 01:33:46 <tcatm> presence: it's not a limit of the pool but of the bitcoin network itself so the pool has to wait 120 blocks before it can send you your reward
238 2011-01-17 01:33:57 <tcatm> necrodearia: -rpcport=7332
239 2011-01-17 01:34:03 <necrodearia> ah yes
240 2011-01-17 01:34:15 <presence> I have 2.47 sitting in "escrow" that have been sitting most of the day
241 2011-01-17 01:34:58 <tcatm> 120 blocks are approx. 1 days
242 2011-01-17 01:35:18 <tcatm> well maybe half a day
243 2011-01-17 01:37:28 <presence> Ill give it some time, if it doesnt reconcile, Ill go indy
244 2011-01-17 01:37:50 <tcatm> presence: the pool is reliable
245 2011-01-17 01:37:51 <necrodearia> Is bitcoin prepared to recognize the kill signal and close gracefully nowadays or is that still not implemented?
246 2011-01-17 01:38:17 <andrew12^mac> need to figure out how to get db4.7 to compile on osx.
247 2011-01-17 01:39:25 <presence> Im not saying its unreliable, Im studying for its feasibility at this point given my costs...but until I know what the return is, I cant do that...
248 2011-01-17 01:39:25 <tcatm> necrodearia: no idea. I kill bitcoind quite often
249 2011-01-17 01:39:38 <tcatm> presence: what are you using for mining?
250 2011-01-17 01:40:30 <presence> the python miner
251 2011-01-17 01:40:39 <tcatm> which GPU?
252 2011-01-17 01:40:40 <presence> The java cclient was a bit pita
253 2011-01-17 01:40:44 <tcatm> how many mhash/s?
254 2011-01-17 01:40:55 <presence> I have 2 gtx260s and 2 gtx460s
255 2011-01-17 01:41:04 <presence> gts280s and gtx460s
256 2011-01-17 01:41:14 <presence> I get 150khash/s
257 2011-01-17 01:41:20 <andrew12^mac> wow
258 2011-01-17 01:41:23 <necrodearia> Interesting: when I have both `bitcoin` and `bitcoin -testnet` running, the testnet client downloads the blockchain very slowly.  When I close the regular client, the blockchain downloads very quickly with the same amount of connections.
259 2011-01-17 01:41:31 <tcatm> noagendamarket: hey
260 2011-01-17 01:42:02 <andrew12^mac> presence: do you mean mhash/s?
261 2011-01-17 01:42:23 <presence> yeah, sorry, yes
262 2011-01-17 01:42:28 <andrew12^mac> ;;bc,calc 1500
263 2011-01-17 01:42:30 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1500 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 1 year, 35 weeks, 1 day, 0 hours, 38 minutes, and 39 seconds
264 2011-01-17 01:42:43 <presence> its 50000k per 460 and 25000k per 280
265 2011-01-17 01:42:45 <andrew12^mac> ^ that one is mine.. my mac (2 threads) and my desktop
266 2011-01-17 01:43:06 <andrew12^mac> ;;bc,calc 150000
267 2011-01-17 01:43:07 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 150000 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 6 days, 2 hours, 38 minutes, and 47 seconds
268 2011-01-17 01:43:11 <presence> I dont do the cpu even though it produces 4500
269 2011-01-17 01:43:16 <presence> it causes too much heat
270 2011-01-17 01:43:16 <tcatm> I just got 109 Mhash/s by improving cooling of my GPUs today
271 2011-01-17 01:44:40 <necrodearia> tcatm, What graphics card(s)?
272 2011-01-17 01:45:59 <tcatm> a few 5970 and 5870, total 3511.930 Mhash/s
273 2011-01-17 01:47:25 <presence> ok, my data collection is pretty good right now, I make $12.00/month with bitcoin running if I can exchange at the current rate (with just the 460s)
274 2011-01-17 01:47:52 <andrew12^mac> there we go
275 2011-01-17 01:47:54 <tcatm> that's not bad
276 2011-01-17 01:47:55 <presence> Anyone care to know the stats of 2 gtx460 in sli?
277 2011-01-17 01:48:09 <presence> bitcoin vs idle?
278 2011-01-17 01:48:10 <andrew12^mac> got bitcoin running on here now, connected to my desktop, so i'm getting the blocks rather quickly
279 2011-01-17 01:48:56 <andrew12^mac> blockexplorer.com for testnet? :p
280 2011-01-17 01:49:16 <tcatm> blockexplorer.com/testnet
281 2011-01-17 01:49:29 <presence> so a block about every 6.25 hours for you tcatm?
282 2011-01-17 01:49:37 <tcatm> presence: yep :(
283 2011-01-17 01:49:49 <tcatm> it used to be "every 46 minutes"
284 2011-01-17 01:51:07 <andrew12^mac> tcatm: oh cool
285 2011-01-17 01:52:04 <presence> just running bitcoin, nothing else, my pc uses 292 more watts, 2.41 more amps, 290 more VA (rms)
286 2011-01-17 01:52:10 <andrew12^mac> send me test coins! mwHHyMJxmUVK4QXT2whwAoqunsp1mMBeXh
287 2011-01-17 01:52:24 <presence> I forgot to subtract the kwh from idle from the kwh bitcoin
288 2011-01-17 01:52:28 <presence> its actually better than I though
289 2011-01-17 01:52:38 <presence> $26/mo not 12
290 2011-01-17 01:52:40 <tcatm> http://bitcoincharts.com/media/stuff/blocks.png blocks vs. day
291 2011-01-17 01:53:05 <andrew12^mac> how'd you make that?
292 2011-01-17 01:53:17 <presence> tcat: have you done statistics on your power consumption?
293 2011-01-17 01:54:07 <tcatm> custom script that parses my wallet.dat for generated blocks and trims timestamps to days
294 2011-01-17 01:54:46 <tcatm> presence: measured power consumption when I setup the computers once and assume it to be constant
295 2011-01-17 01:55:06 <presence> IT should be reasonably constant sincce it drives the gpus at full power
296 2011-01-17 01:55:34 <tcatm> about $380/month
297 2011-01-17 01:55:45 <luke-jr> andrew12^mac: error: {"code":-4,"message":"Invalid bitcoin address"}
298 2011-01-17 01:55:48 <kiba> noagendamarket: yo, did ya check your email?
299 2011-01-17 01:56:02 <andrew12^mac> luke-jr: you are using the testnet, right?
300 2011-01-17 01:56:08 <luke-jr> no
301 2011-01-17 01:56:14 <andrew12^mac> that's why
302 2011-01-17 01:56:15 <presence> what happens when the cost to generate a single acceptable value takes a week for you?
303 2011-01-17 01:56:24 <presence> I think most people will have bailed entirely by then
304 2011-01-17 01:56:35 <noagendamarket> kiba: will do
305 2011-01-17 01:56:42 <tcatm> presence: I plan to stop as soon as it doesn't generate any profit
306 2011-01-17 01:57:08 <tcatm> at that point I'll either sell the GPUs or find someting else to use them for
307 2011-01-17 01:57:15 <luke-jr> andrew12^mac: don't want real bitcoins? FINE THEN
308 2011-01-17 01:57:19 <tcatm> like unlocking phones  ;)
309 2011-01-17 01:57:22 <andrew12> my real bitcoin address is 1NkqZE4DA8h6Xbtz9GtJcfE1FcA8Z5yRJN
310 2011-01-17 01:57:42 <presence> once people stop generating things will get worky
311 2011-01-17 01:57:43 <presence> wonky
312 2011-01-17 01:57:46 <luke-jr> andrew12: that worked
313 2011-01-17 01:57:51 <andrew12> hehe
314 2011-01-17 01:58:00 <andrew12> usually addresses in the real network start with 1
315 2011-01-17 01:58:01 <luke-jr> [21:57:40] <bitcoincharts> TX 17V7FWfXtGBa7hRmdRETS9bE526ckUNDpq 1164992 uBTCents 1NkqZE4DA8h6Xbtz9GtJcfE1FcA8Z5yRJN 1?? TBC 812feb008168424f4042bd8564c92194c928ad327a19c4fd1c2c51d6a690aae2
316 2011-01-17 01:58:10 <andrew12> 0.01 btc
317 2011-01-17 01:58:23 <andrew12> "YESSS"
318 2011-01-17 01:58:28 <tcatm> presence: I think price will continue to rise for quite some time
319 2011-01-17 01:58:31 <luke-jr> andrew12: 1?? TBC
320 2011-01-17 01:58:48 <andrew12> 1 BTC as far as my client is concerned
321 2011-01-17 01:58:58 <luke-jr> andrew12: buggy client :P
322 2011-01-17 01:59:18 <luke-jr> 0.01 was a closer estimate
323 2011-01-17 01:59:25 <andrew12> er
324 2011-01-17 01:59:27 <andrew12> 0.01*
325 2011-01-17 01:59:29 <tcatm> I'm still making as much USD/month as I did when I started mining last fall. I get less blocks now but they're worth much more
326 2011-01-17 01:59:53 <andrew12> i'm using 0.3.17.. what's the latest?
327 2011-01-17 02:00:06 <presence> tcat: which miner are you using?
328 2011-01-17 02:00:10 <luke-jr> 0.3.19 I think
329 2011-01-17 02:00:11 <tcatm> oh for js-remote you should use git
330 2011-01-17 02:00:21 <luke-jr> andrew12: I don't think anyone's merged my bugfixes
331 2011-01-17 02:00:36 <tcatm> presence: custom one. I wrote one before there were opensource ones
332 2011-01-17 02:00:45 <andrew12> tcatm: i can't get that to compile on my mac because of berkeley db
333 2011-01-17 02:01:05 <andrew12> and yeah 0.3.19 is the latest
334 2011-01-17 02:01:21 <tcatm> andrew12: 85.116.192.135:7332 user/pass testnet/letmein
335 2011-01-17 02:01:27 <luke-jr> andrew12: pretty sure every other client but mine will waste TBC on fees
336 2011-01-17 02:01:43 <tcatm> feel free to do *anything* on that box as long as you don't take all my BTCs away
337 2011-01-17 02:01:49 <andrew12> hehe
338 2011-01-17 02:02:07 <andrew12> is that an rpc url?
339 2011-01-17 02:02:12 <tcatm> yep
340 2011-01-17 02:02:16 <tcatm> same as the js-remote demo
341 2011-01-17 02:02:21 <andrew12> oic
342 2011-01-17 02:02:50 <andrew12> link to the demo url?
343 2011-01-17 02:03:14 <andrew12> nvm i found it
344 2011-01-17 02:03:17 <tcatm> https://85.116.192.135:8338
345 2011-01-17 02:05:06 <tcatm> you could even disconnect the remote (big red X) and enter http://85.116.192.135:7332 as the url to use it without SSL
346 2011-01-17 02:05:48 <andrew12> on here it's a box in a box :P
347 2011-01-17 02:06:20 <presence> hmm
348 2011-01-17 02:06:22 <presence> the sad thing
349 2011-01-17 02:06:40 <presence> I think the 5970 consumes the same power as my 2 gtx460s
350 2011-01-17 02:06:50 <presence> but produces 5x the output
351 2011-01-17 02:07:16 <presence> 1 5970 is 500Mhash/s right?
352 2011-01-17 02:08:05 <presence> in fact, the 5970 might be less power than my sli setup
353 2011-01-17 02:08:11 <andrew12> wow
354 2011-01-17 02:08:12 <mrb_> presence: up to 570-585Mhash/s for the best miners.
355 2011-01-17 02:08:17 <andrew12> blocks generate much faster than I thought
356 2011-01-17 02:08:32 <presence> so a $600 card should suffice?
357 2011-01-17 02:08:57 <tcatm> presence: My 5970 do 630 Mhash/s
358 2011-01-17 02:08:58 <andrew12> presence: just be like ArtForz and set up a farm and get Ghash/s :p
359 2011-01-17 02:09:10 <andrew12> jk
360 2011-01-17 02:09:15 <luke-jr> there is a $600 card?
361 2011-01-17 02:09:25 <mrb_> presence: or more if you oc (like tcatm)
362 2011-01-17 02:09:34 <presence> I dont want to invest that much, I dont know where this is going to go...the crypto doesnt have any value on its own
363 2011-01-17 02:10:13 <tcatm> presence: It went from 0.005 to 0.40. I'm quite certain it will rise to $1 or $2
364 2011-01-17 02:10:44 <andrew12> tcatm: what did? the bitcoin to usd rate?
365 2011-01-17 02:10:44 <presence> Well, thats still reasonably short term at the amount of processing that is going on already
366 2011-01-17 02:10:48 <tcatm> andrew12: yep
367 2011-01-17 02:10:52 <andrew12> ah
368 2011-01-17 02:11:06 <hacim> except it seems to be more around .38 right now, going down slightly
369 2011-01-17 02:11:45 <ArtForz> getting 563.14Mh/s on a stock 5970 ;)
370 2011-01-17 02:12:02 <presence> so closer to 5.6x
371 2011-01-17 02:12:04 <mrb_> tcatm: my fear is that many bitcoin early-adopters don't realize yet the value of their wallet, but when they do, they will start selling and the BTC price will drop
372 2011-01-17 02:12:07 <presence> thats not a bad return
373 2011-01-17 02:13:12 <mrb_> ArtForz: I thought you implemented BFI_INT and got 585 Mhash/s?
374 2011-01-17 02:13:40 <ArtForz> still working on BFI_INT
375 2011-01-17 02:13:50 <andrew12> I wonder wht would happen if ArtForz were to put his farm in the pool :p
376 2011-01-17 02:13:52 <tcatm> What's BFI_INT?
377 2011-01-17 02:13:57 <andrew12> s/wht/what/
378 2011-01-17 02:14:16 <presence> once you generate more than 50btc a day, being in a pool has very little value
379 2011-01-17 02:14:26 <andrew12> hehe
380 2011-01-17 02:14:35 <ArtForz> btw, looks closer to 604.46Mh/s
381 2011-01-17 02:14:36 <mrb_> ah.
382 2011-01-17 02:14:48 <presence> to be honest, even at my level being part of a pool isnt all that useful
383 2011-01-17 02:14:54 <ArtForz> with BFI_INT
384 2011-01-17 02:14:54 <presence> 50/week basically
385 2011-01-17 02:15:19 <mrb_> tcatm: BFI_INT: http://blog.zorinaq.com/?e=43
386 2011-01-17 02:15:21 <andrew12> grrrr
387 2011-01-17 02:15:34 <andrew12> I think bitcoin keeps making new addresses.. I don't want a ton of addresses :(
388 2011-01-17 02:15:36 <luke-jr> presence: I get 12/mo
389 2011-01-17 02:15:47 <luke-jr> andrew12: the original client does that
390 2011-01-17 02:16:23 <andrew12> do you have one that I don't have to compile? -.-
391 2011-01-17 02:16:36 <luke-jr> none, even if you compile
392 2011-01-17 02:17:04 <[Noodles]> presence: what if you want/need to spend 1BTC tomorrow, but dont have any? wanna wait a week longer, or join the pool for a day?
393 2011-01-17 02:17:28 <[Noodles]> or a few hours, to earn your 1btc reward
394 2011-01-17 02:17:30 <andrew12> join the pool forever!
395 2011-01-17 02:17:56 <presence> there is nothing that .40 could buy that I would need right away
396 2011-01-17 02:18:19 <ArtForz> some more param fiddling, 604.68Mh/s with BFI_INT
397 2011-01-17 02:18:24 <[Noodles]> you, so it isnt useful to you!
398 2011-01-17 02:18:41 <ArtForz> I dont think it'll go faster without rewriting my kernel some more
399 2011-01-17 02:19:15 <andrew12> do you oc?
400 2011-01-17 02:19:24 <ArtForz> thats @ stock
401 2011-01-17 02:20:14 <presence> thats nice
402 2011-01-17 02:20:25 <presence> I need to find a good price on a 5970
403 2011-01-17 02:20:55 <andrew12> Odelay!
404 2011-01-17 02:21:25 <ArtForz> 700.36 Mh/s @ 840
405 2011-01-17 02:24:18 <tcatm> There's no way to use BFI_INT from opencl, is there?
406 2011-01-17 02:24:24 <ArtForz> nope
407 2011-01-17 02:24:38 <tcatm> How do you do it? Patch IL?
408 2011-01-17 02:25:01 <mrb_> yes
409 2011-01-17 02:25:01 <presence> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121388
410 2011-01-17 02:25:06 <presence> that might be a good deal there
411 2011-01-17 02:25:22 <presence> ah, its a 58
412 2011-01-17 02:25:24 <presence> screw that
413 2011-01-17 02:25:29 <mrb_> actually patch the ELF object in memory
414 2011-01-17 02:26:05 <ArtForz> more like patch the binary shader ASM
415 2011-01-17 02:26:33 <andrew12^mac> :p
416 2011-01-17 02:26:50 <hacim> i knew I should have bought that 5970 on ebay for $349
417 2011-01-17 02:27:39 <presence> Im getting quite a few "invalid or stale"
418 2011-01-17 02:27:40 <presence> wtf
419 2011-01-17 02:28:03 <andrew12> who else thinks bank transactions take far too long? :p
420 2011-01-17 02:29:35 <andrew12> how do you determine the bitcoin/usd exchange rate anyways? is it just however much people are offering for it?
421 2011-01-17 02:29:55 <presence> there are some exchanges out there
422 2011-01-17 02:30:25 <andrew12> ;;bc,stats
423 2011-01-17 02:30:27 <gribble> Current Blocks: 103080 | Current Difficulty: 18437.64439217 | Next Difficulty At Block: 104831 | Next Difficulty In: 1751 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 3 hours, 11 minutes, and 40 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 22191.17272309
424 2011-01-17 02:31:58 <luke-jr> andrew12: right
425 2011-01-17 02:32:09 <andrew12> that's silly
426 2011-01-17 02:32:15 <luke-jr> andrew12: interestingly, higher-risk sources like PayPal seem to be about 2 cents above others
427 2011-01-17 02:32:41 <andrew12> someone could just sell at 1:1 and act like it's the exchange rate
428 2011-01-17 02:32:49 <andrew12> heh
429 2011-01-17 02:32:59 <andrew12> though there wouldn't be too many people buying at that rate
430 2011-01-17 02:33:00 <luke-jr> it'd be expensive with the current market, to keep that up long
431 2011-01-17 02:33:18 <luke-jr> well yeah, you'd need to buy
432 2011-01-17 02:33:36 <luke-jr> I bet most people here would be more than willing to sell at $1 USD ea
433 2011-01-17 02:34:07 <hacim> i'll do it for 0.99
434 2011-01-17 02:34:23 <andrew12> I was going to try doing something where i buy at 0.3 btc and sell at 0.4 in order to profit :p
435 2011-01-17 02:34:38 <andrew12> i'd do it on mtgox if i had money to start with
436 2011-01-17 02:34:46 <andrew12> (10 btc minimum)
437 2011-01-17 02:35:09 <luke-jr> BitCoin Market does PayPal, but 100 BTC minimums :p
438 2011-01-17 02:35:15 <andrew12> damn
439 2011-01-17 02:35:26 <luke-jr> I bought 100 @ 0.40 the other day
440 2011-01-17 02:35:38 <andrew12> wanna send me 10? :p
441 2011-01-17 02:35:45 <luke-jr> not really, then I can't sell them :P
442 2011-01-17 02:36:08 <andrew12> I'll buy some at 0.30 from you if you want :p
443 2011-01-17 02:36:23 <andrew12> ;;google calccalc 0.30*8
444 2011-01-17 02:36:24 <gribble> Synthesis and solution properties of water soluble copolymers ...: <http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/0032386184903835>; Molecular structure of strained polycyclic hydrocarbons. A MINDO/3 ...: <http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/0022286079803488>; Configuration interaction and spin-orbit coupling in the Fox ...: (1 more message)
445 2011-01-17 02:36:25 <andrew12> er
446 2011-01-17 02:36:28 <andrew12> ;;google calc 0.30*8
447 2011-01-17 02:36:29 <gribble> 0.30 * 8 = 2.4
448 2011-01-17 02:36:53 <hacim> andrew12: not many people are going to want to sell at .30 when mtgox is essentially .4
449 2011-01-17 02:37:05 <luke-jr> andrew12: I'll sell you 10 BTC for $5
450 2011-01-17 02:37:17 <andrew12> I have $2.28 :(
451 2011-01-17 02:37:35 <luke-jr> 4 BTC then
452 2011-01-17 02:37:42 <andrew12> need moar
453 2011-01-17 02:37:43 <andrew12> :p
454 2011-01-17 02:37:53 <luke-jr> me too
455 2011-01-17 02:38:16 <andrew12> if bank transactions were faster i'd have $52.28
456 2011-01-17 02:38:23 <andrew12> buuuuttt they're not.
457 2011-01-17 02:38:44 <andrew12> Payment status: Processing
458 2011-01-17 02:39:00 <hacim> how about 5
459 2011-01-17 02:39:08 <andrew12> Expected Clearing Date: Jan 18, 2011
460 2011-01-17 02:39:12 <andrew12> hacim: for how much?
461 2011-01-17 02:39:30 <hacim> you said you have 2.28
462 2011-01-17 02:39:43 <luke-jr> andrew12: I'll give you 100 BTC now for $52.28 when it arrives.
463 2011-01-17 02:39:59 <andrew12> luke-jr: no. i've got other stuff i'm going to  buy with that
464 2011-01-17 02:40:02 <luke-jr> XD
465 2011-01-17 02:40:16 <andrew12> ;;calc 2.2/5
466 2011-01-17 02:40:17 <gribble> Error: The command "calc" is available in the Google and Math plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "calc".
467 2011-01-17 02:40:21 <andrew12> ...
468 2011-01-17 02:40:24 <andrew12> ;;google calc 2.2/5
469 2011-01-17 02:40:27 <gribble> 2.2 / 5 = 0.44
470 2011-01-17 02:40:31 <andrew12> hacim: nah
471 2011-01-17 02:40:32 <andrew12> :p
472 2011-01-17 02:40:46 <luke-jr> andrew12: I'll give ya 5.01 :P
473 2011-01-17 02:40:52 <hacim> can't be stingy when you are wanting now and have paypal
474 2011-01-17 02:40:56 <andrew12> lol
475 2011-01-17 02:41:07 <andrew12> over 9000 btc for $1 plz :p
476 2011-01-17 02:41:19 <luke-jr> andrew12: you're about 2 years too late for that price
477 2011-01-17 02:41:25 <andrew12> hahaha
478 2011-01-17 02:41:50 <andrew12> if I were using bitcoin 2 years ago I'd be rich :(
479 2011-01-17 02:42:02 <andrew12> howe2time machine
480 2011-01-17 02:42:59 <andrew12> go back in time, buy btc for usd, go back to present, sell btc at current rate, ???, profit
481 2011-01-17 02:44:29 <luke-jr> andrew12: problem is, you're break the block chain
482 2011-01-17 02:44:37 <luke-jr> and present value would be affected probably
483 2011-01-17 02:44:38 <andrew12> i'm break the block chain?
484 2011-01-17 02:45:23 <andrew12> luke-jr: disagree.  i think it would appear as if i had done it 2 years ago when i came back to the present
485 2011-01-17 02:45:28 <andrew12> yay for time travel theories
486 2011-01-17 02:45:29 <luke-jr> :p
487 2011-01-17 02:47:26 <tcatm> ArtForz: If I inserted amd_bytealign(x,y,z) into the .cl, will the compiler produce a bytealign instruction or will it replace it with something else?
488 2011-01-17 03:06:03 <nevezen> is slush's pool based off of UTC time?
489 2011-01-17 03:09:28 <nanotube> nevezen: probably. the statistics page says "Current round started at:
490 2011-01-17 03:09:29 <nanotube> heh
491 2011-01-17 03:13:47 <nevezen> what is the random alphnumeral next to the timestamp in m0mchil's miner output?
492 2011-01-17 03:15:36 <nevezen> suppose to be hash of something?
493 2011-01-17 03:17:51 <nanotube> nevezen: what's it look like?
494 2011-01-17 03:18:45 <nevezen> date, time, hash?, status..
495 2011-01-17 03:46:31 <tcatm> I wonder if every 0.05 from faucet means a new user discovering bitcoin?
496 2011-01-17 03:48:30 <luke-jr> tcatm: what else?
497 2011-01-17 03:49:04 <kiba> or maybe somebody is nicking the fauet
498 2011-01-17 03:49:24 <tcatm> luke-jr: see kiba
499 2011-01-17 03:49:59 <tcatm> Yay, guess my nogui fork of bitcoin is usefull after all :)
500 2011-01-17 03:52:55 <andrew12> ,,bc,txfee
501 2011-01-17 03:52:56 <gribble> Error: "bc,txfee" is not a valid command.
502 2011-01-17 03:53:03 <andrew12> nope, that wasn't it...
503 2011-01-17 03:53:10 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_fees | Dec 19, 2010 ... Transaction fees may be included with any transfer of bitcoins from one address to another. At the moment, many transactions are typically ...
504 2011-01-17 03:53:10 <nanotube> ;;bc,wiki transaction fees
505 2011-01-17 03:53:13 <andrew12> that one
506 2011-01-17 03:53:14 <nanotube> andrew12: --^ :)
507 2011-01-17 03:54:16 <andrew12> soo anything >= 0.01 is free?
508 2011-01-17 03:54:31 <nameless> |blah!
509 2011-01-17 03:54:36 <nameless> |I'm in a sour mood
510 2011-01-17 03:54:38 <andrew12> halb!
511 2011-01-17 03:54:51 <MT`AwAy> andrew12, it depends on the block size
512 2011-01-17 03:54:58 <nanotube> andrew12: no, it also depends on size of tx in bytes, and size of block in bytes.
513 2011-01-17 03:54:59 <MT`AwAy> and tx size
514 2011-01-17 03:55:03 <tcatm> cross compiling bitcoind on a pentium m is no fun
515 2011-01-17 03:55:18 <nameless> |andrew12: If you could give me a laxitive I'd be more greatful
516 2011-01-17 03:55:27 <andrew12> nameless|: :x
517 2011-01-17 03:56:03 <andrew12> hmm
518 2011-01-17 03:56:09 <andrew12> my desktop hasn't gotten any shares in a while
519 2011-01-17 03:56:26 <andrew12> neither has my mac.. :x
520 2011-01-17 04:04:23 <hacim> i just wrote man pages for bitcoind(1) and bitcoin.conf(5)
521 2011-01-17 04:05:04 <tcatm> cool
522 2011-01-17 04:05:15 <tcatm> url? :)
523 2011-01-17 04:11:09 <presence> hmm still 2.66 in escrow
524 2011-01-17 04:11:23 <tcatm> be patient
525 2011-01-17 04:11:47 <tcatm> i think under statistics you can see how many confirmations are left
526 2011-01-17 04:11:49 <presence> Im trying to do math :D
527 2011-01-17 04:17:35 <hacim> tcatm: http://git.debian.org/?p=collab-maint/bitcoin.git;a=commit;h=77eb7948fd8a7901d7d731d004e9154d9f0270d7
528 2011-01-17 04:19:07 <presence> tcatm: thats what I wanted to see
529 2011-01-17 04:19:12 <presence> thanks for telling me
530 2011-01-17 04:20:01 <tcatm> hacim: great work!
531 2011-01-17 04:20:04 <presence> haha duration 1:36 with a reward of .08
532 2011-01-17 04:21:32 <necrodearia> tcatm, "File not found" at demo page
533 2011-01-17 04:21:45 <tcatm> necrodearia: try to reload
534 2011-01-17 04:21:56 <tcatm> happens sometimes (I really ought to improve error handling)
535 2011-01-17 04:22:00 <necrodearia> tcatm, same
536 2011-01-17 04:22:08 <necrodearia> ctrl+shift+r for reloading without using cache
537 2011-01-17 04:22:40 <tcatm> oh
538 2011-01-17 04:22:51 <tcatm> looks like someone stopped my bitcoind :)
539 2011-01-17 04:22:53 <tcatm> fixed
540 2011-01-17 04:23:03 <necrodearia> ^_^
541 2011-01-17 04:26:25 <necrodearia> mm, test network limits to two decimal places also
542 2011-01-17 04:27:42 <hacim> thanks tcatm, its boring writing man pages :)
543 2011-01-17 04:28:38 <tcatm> hacim: what's your donation address?
544 2011-01-17 04:28:52 <hacim> tcatm: 16bX3ZMwsuvcfzzuQ4WV4vriGKPFGZsTqC
545 2011-01-17 04:28:53 <hacim> would love a donation, it would be my first *blush*
546 2011-01-17 04:30:36 <hacim> now to backport the packages so that they can be installed on lenny
547 2011-01-17 04:31:46 <dooglus> luke-jr: I was just reading about the Tonal System, thanks to your wiki edit
548 2011-01-17 04:32:08 <luke-jr> dooglus: yeah?
549 2011-01-17 04:32:14 <dooglus> luke-jr: I hadn't heard of it before
550 2011-01-17 04:32:31 <luke-jr> most people haven't
551 2011-01-17 04:32:38 <luke-jr> ofc most people haven't heard of Bitcoin either
552 2011-01-17 04:32:42 <dooglus> luke-jr: and was in the process of correcting your "1 TBC = 0x100000 uBTC" statement when you did it yourself :)
553 2011-01-17 04:32:50 <luke-jr> :p
554 2011-01-17 04:33:01 <dooglus> luke-jr: not sure your correction is right either though
555 2011-01-17 04:33:07 <luke-jr> ?
556 2011-01-17 04:33:10 <dooglus> is "base bitcoin unit" well defined?
557 2011-01-17 04:33:15 <luke-jr> yes
558 2011-01-17 04:33:48 <luke-jr> it is the smallest non-zero number on a technical level
559 2011-01-17 04:33:56 <dooglus> the divisibility of a bitcoin is 10^-8 at the moment, but is subject to refinement later I think
560 2011-01-17 04:34:17 <luke-jr> I don't know how someone plans to make it smaller
561 2011-01-17 04:34:38 <necrodearia> Is there a comparisojn of the different miners on the wiki yet?
562 2011-01-17 04:35:08 <dooglus> google tells me "No results found for "base bitcoin unit"" - so I don't think it's a very well known term
563 2011-01-17 04:36:37 <luke-jr> I'm not sure there is a competing term
564 2011-01-17 04:36:50 <luke-jr> other than TBCG, but it would be silly to define TBC that way
565 2011-01-17 04:40:15 <luke-jr> anyone know hardware well?
566 2011-01-17 04:41:02 <tcatm> I wish GPUs could run g++
567 2011-01-17 04:41:47 <andrew12^mac> hehe
568 2011-01-17 04:41:54 <kiba> So, how many of you read The Bitcoin Times?
569 2011-01-17 04:41:59 <andrew12^mac> it'd be nice to have a box to compile things
570 2011-01-17 04:42:02 <tcatm> kiba: link?
571 2011-01-17 04:42:09 <luke-jr> never heard of it
572 2011-01-17 04:42:10 <andrew12^mac> kiba: is it in a pdf now?
573 2011-01-17 04:42:15 <andrew12^mac> if it is, then i'll buy it
574 2011-01-17 04:42:25 <kiba> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2355.0
575 2011-01-17 04:42:28 <kiba> andrew12^mac: yes
576 2011-01-17 04:44:03 <andrew12> yay
577 2011-01-17 04:45:43 <kiba> I don't specialize
578 2011-01-17 04:46:03 <andrew12> jk
579 2011-01-17 04:46:03 <kiba> I scround for ways to make bitcoin
580 2011-01-17 04:46:44 <andrew12> i don't have any way to make bitcoins :(
581 2011-01-17 04:47:36 <kiba> write, make art, program, whatever
582 2011-01-17 04:48:44 <andrew12> should i just like, write some random program that's related to bitcoin and be like 'plz donate to 1NkqZE4DA8h6Xbtz9GtJcfE1FcA8Z5yRJN'
583 2011-01-17 04:48:57 <andrew12> also why does bitcoin keep generating new addresses -_-
584 2011-01-17 04:49:00 <kiba> you could try that
585 2011-01-17 04:49:12 <andrew12> or some site.. heh
586 2011-01-17 04:49:27 <luke-jr> andrew12: you know modern PC components well?
587 2011-01-17 04:49:33 <andrew12> luke-jr: sure
588 2011-01-17 04:49:55 <luke-jr> any reason some RAM would support P67 chipset, but not H67?
589 2011-01-17 04:49:58 <kiba> thtere's an unlimited amount of things people need to do for the economy!
590 2011-01-17 04:50:03 <kiba> but there's no labor market
591 2011-01-17 04:50:22 <presence> I like the idea of one address per transaction, that way its harder to track to an individual
592 2011-01-17 04:51:01 <tcatm> kiba: great interview!
593 2011-01-17 04:51:26 <kiba> thank you! don't forget to thanks MagicalTux for writing such detailed response
594 2011-01-17 04:51:51 <tcatm> thanks MT`AwAy :)
595 2011-01-17 04:52:27 <andrew12> i'll have to try qbitcoin
596 2011-01-17 04:52:34 <tcatm> we all have :)
597 2011-01-17 04:53:05 <andrew12> oh, it's not even released yet
598 2011-01-17 04:53:08 <presence> hmm must have jumped into the block really late...I have an estimated reward of 0.002 :D
599 2011-01-17 04:53:23 <presence> worst so far by an order of magnitude
600 2011-01-17 04:54:18 <MT`AwAy> andrew12, soon
601 2011-01-17 04:54:26 <andrew12> =D
602 2011-01-17 04:54:29 <MT`AwAy> andrew12, I'll release beta before the end of the month
603 2011-01-17 04:54:37 <MT`AwAy> (hope to)
604 2011-01-17 04:54:42 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: you're qbitcoin guy?
605 2011-01-17 04:54:56 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, yep
606 2011-01-17 04:55:02 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: I want to contribute.
607 2011-01-17 04:55:11 <andrew12> heh
608 2011-01-17 04:55:33 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: did you see my ideas on the wiki?
609 2011-01-17 04:55:44 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, did you post them on Talk:QBitcoin ?
610 2011-01-17 04:55:49 <luke-jr> yes
611 2011-01-17 04:55:54 <MT`AwAy> then I'll check
612 2011-01-17 04:56:07 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: I'd like to help implement too :
613 2011-01-17 04:56:40 <MT`AwAy> as soon as I finish establishing the bases, it should be fine
614 2011-01-17 04:56:57 <luke-jr> these features require base-level support <.<
615 2011-01-17 04:57:04 <MT`AwAy> ok
616 2011-01-17 04:57:11 <MT`AwAy> well
617 2011-01-17 04:57:35 <MT`AwAy> the  first beta will include all the basic features you should need, and we'll be able to start at this point
618 2011-01-17 04:57:36 <luke-jr> I guess the most important factor is that the wallet uses base units internally, and leaves abstraction to the GUI
619 2011-01-17 04:57:48 <luke-jr> TBC is a basic feature I need :
620 2011-01-17 04:58:07 <MT`AwAy> yep
621 2011-01-17 04:58:11 <MT`AwAy> that's the case
622 2011-01-17 04:58:17 <luke-jr> ?
623 2011-01-17 04:58:30 <MT`AwAy> base unit used internally
624 2011-01-17 04:58:33 <luke-jr> ah good
625 2011-01-17 04:58:41 <luke-jr> how does that sit with the JSON-RPC compat?
626 2011-01-17 04:58:44 <presence> http://www.xerofx.cz.cc/get-free-bitcoins.html Hahah a bitcoin pyramid scheme
627 2011-01-17 04:58:50 <MT`AwAy> the only exception is the json compat interface
628 2011-01-17 04:58:51 <luke-jr> (since JSON-RPC currently is not abstracted in such a way)
629 2011-01-17 04:58:52 <tcatm> MT`AwAy: will qbitcoin support the same account RPC API as bitcoind?
630 2011-01-17 04:58:53 <luke-jr> ah
631 2011-01-17 04:59:05 <MT`AwAy> tcatm, it includes a compat interface, and a "better" interface
632 2011-01-17 04:59:12 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: what license btw?
633 2011-01-17 04:59:19 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, probably BSD
634 2011-01-17 04:59:23 <luke-jr> k
635 2011-01-17 04:59:27 <tcatm> MT`AwAy: but still JSON RPC?
636 2011-01-17 04:59:48 <MT`AwAy> tcatm, two native APIs, one is JSON-RPC, the other one is binary
637 2011-01-17 04:59:54 <MT`AwAy> (and specific to QBitcoin)
638 2011-01-17 05:00:04 <tcatm> 'cause it would be cool if it supported js-remote
639 2011-01-17 05:00:24 <MT`AwAy> tcatm, it shouldn't be too hard to implement (I guess js-remote is json based)
640 2011-01-17 05:00:30 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: would be cool if I could add TBC support pre-beta, so it could be in the first release ;)
641 2011-01-17 05:00:44 <tcatm> MT`AwAy: great
642 2011-01-17 05:00:47 <MT`AwAy> the API is made in an abstract way, allowing to easily add new communication standards
643 2011-01-17 05:01:03 <andrew12> chunky bacon?!
644 2011-01-17 05:02:21 <MT`AwAy> I'll check for TBC (TonalBitCoin I guess)
645 2011-01-17 05:02:37 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: check for?
646 2011-01-17 05:03:04 <MT`AwAy> well, I have troubles myself to display the units
647 2011-01-17 05:03:10 <MT`AwAy> anyway I guess it only affects the GUI
648 2011-01-17 05:03:48 <luke-jr> grab a font ;)
649 2011-01-17 05:04:20 <luke-jr> http://luke.dashjr.org/education/tonal/glyphs/fonts/Luxi/LuxiTonal.ttf is a minimal Luxi-compatible font with only the Tonal digits
650 2011-01-17 05:04:49 <MT`AwAy> I'll see if I can embed it into the client
651 2011-01-17 05:04:59 <luke-jr> a basic implementation would just be a "BTC or TBC?" setting, and rendering currency in that
652 2011-01-17 05:04:59 <MT`AwAy> put the link somewhere on Talk:QBitcoin :)
653 2011-01-17 05:05:13 <kiba> wow
654 2011-01-17 05:05:19 <kiba> chrome development is easy as pie
655 2011-01-17 05:05:21 <kiba> err
656 2011-01-17 05:05:27 <kiba> chrome extension development is easy as pie
657 2011-01-17 05:05:34 <luke-jr> was gonna say
658 2011-01-17 05:05:38 <luke-jr> V8 is crazy
659 2011-01-17 05:06:14 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: that work?
660 2011-01-17 05:06:40 <luke-jr> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Units might also be of use
661 2011-01-17 05:06:43 <andrew12> ;;google calc 5000*0.4
662 2011-01-17 05:06:44 <gribble> 5,000 * 0.4 = 2,000
663 2011-01-17 05:06:58 <andrew12> interesting.
664 2011-01-17 05:08:07 <mrb_> don't you guys think that coining tonal units will only confuse users more, hence will slow down the rate of adoption?
665 2011-01-17 05:08:18 <luke-jr> mrb_: no
666 2011-01-17 05:08:19 <andrew12> mrb_: it sure as hell confuses me
667 2011-01-17 05:08:52 <luke-jr> mrb_: just set your client to your preferred display and be happy :P
668 2011-01-17 05:09:24 <mrb_> luke-jr: see andrew12's response.
669 2011-01-17 05:09:31 <mrb_> they are!
670 2011-01-17 05:10:05 <luke-jr> mrb_: maybe all this Bitcoin technical stuff will confuse people more, and slow the rate of Tonal adoption?
671 2011-01-17 05:10:33 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, ~k
672 2011-01-17 05:11:22 <tcatm> Tonal adoption is already much slower than bitcoin adoption
673 2011-01-17 05:11:51 <hacim> what is tonal
674 2011-01-17 05:12:18 <luke-jr> Wikipedia for Tonal System; or see the link on the Tonal BitCoin wiki page
675 2011-01-17 05:12:35 <andrew12> can't you just explain it here? :P
676 2011-01-17 05:12:45 <luke-jr> andrew12: hexadecimal for human beings
677 2011-01-17 05:12:49 <luke-jr> (sorry Ubuntu)
678 2011-01-17 05:13:04 <andrew12> oh that explains why 1 TBC is 0.16 BTC.
679 2011-01-17 05:13:14 <luke-jr> 1 TBC is 0.00065536 BTC
680 2011-01-17 05:13:21 <andrew12> er
681 2011-01-17 05:13:29 <andrew12> 100*
682 2011-01-17 05:13:33 <luke-jr> :P
683 2011-01-17 05:13:53 <luke-jr> andrew12: it's really 0.16777216
684 2011-01-17 05:14:12 <mrb_> luke-jr: you've got to think about the whole picture. it's not "just a setting to change in the UI". it's people using tonal units in discussions in IRC, the forums, etc
685 2011-01-17 05:14:20 <luke-jr> mrb_: ok
686 2011-01-17 05:15:25 <MT`AwAy> well, the "tonal" setting will probably end in the "advanced" tab or something like that
687 2011-01-17 05:15:29 <mrb_> I see tonal units as an unnecessary thing, an extra layer of complexity.
688 2011-01-17 05:15:33 <MT`AwAy> with a link to wikipedia
689 2011-01-17 05:15:43 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: grumble.
690 2011-01-17 05:16:13 <MT`AwAy> tonal can be good for stuff like ram or bits, but for a currency I see it as maybe too difficult
691 2011-01-17 05:16:24 <luke-jr> Tonal is good for everything.
692 2011-01-17 05:16:26 <MT`AwAy> anyway we'll see user  feedback
693 2011-01-17 05:16:30 <luke-jr> Decimal is more difficult.
694 2011-01-17 05:17:06 <luke-jr> mrb_: I see Tonal units as more important to adopt than BitCoin, and BitCoins anonymous stuff extra complexity.
695 2011-01-17 05:17:17 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, tonal will require users to adapt, while decimal is something users already use, I believe it makes tonal more difficult as it requires an extra step
696 2011-01-17 05:17:22 <luke-jr> mrb_: not everyone using BitCoins will be using it for the same reasons.
697 2011-01-17 05:17:34 <MT`AwAy> anyway I'm not judge of that
698 2011-01-17 05:17:54 <MT`AwAy> it shouldn't take too much time to implement, and we'll see user response
699 2011-01-17 05:18:15 <tcatm> boost sucks :/
700 2011-01-17 05:18:42 <luke-jr> tcatm: not really, just & big and slow
701 2011-01-17 05:18:46 <luke-jr> kinda like C++ :P
702 2011-01-17 05:18:59 <tcatm> isn't qt based on c++?
703 2011-01-17 05:19:10 <luke-jr> it's implemented in C++
704 2011-01-17 05:19:10 <MT`AwAy> tcatm, Qt is C++ only :D
705 2011-01-17 05:19:31 <MT`AwAy> but for some reason, Qt is not putting code in .h files, only definitions
706 2011-01-17 05:19:37 <andrew12> hey, someone write a console bitcoin client in C, go!
707 2011-01-17 05:19:40 <andrew12> :p
708 2011-01-17 05:19:49 <luke-jr> Qt was created before C++ templates worked
709 2011-01-17 05:19:54 <tcatm> andrew12: too busy :/
710 2011-01-17 05:19:55 <luke-jr> andrew12: nah
711 2011-01-17 05:19:59 <luke-jr> Qt is good
712 2011-01-17 05:20:02 <MT`AwAy> andrew12, the wallet part of my bitcoin client is in pure C, and runs as a separate process
713 2011-01-17 05:20:09 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: really? why?
714 2011-01-17 05:20:19 <luke-jr> I mean the C part
715 2011-01-17 05:20:28 <luke-jr> (not disagreeing, just curious)
716 2011-01-17 05:20:30 <andrew12> MT`AwAy: is QBitcoin an entirely separate client?
717 2011-01-17 05:20:36 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, because it didn't need C++, and I wanted to avoid involving lots of foreign libraries in this part
718 2011-01-17 05:20:42 <MT`AwAy> andrew12, yep
719 2011-01-17 05:20:43 <tcatm> MT`AwAy: can the wallet use a simple JSON RPC api?
720 2011-01-17 05:20:45 <andrew12> ooooooooooooooooh
721 2011-01-17 05:20:53 <MT`AwAy> tcatm, the wallet cannot do anything by itself
722 2011-01-17 05:21:11 <MT`AwAy> it is just the wallet, it handles addresses, create addresses, and store them
723 2011-01-17 05:21:29 <MT`AwAy> however it can be easily used as a basis for other clients too
724 2011-01-17 05:21:49 <tcatm> I'm thinking about something SQL backed for huge online wallets
725 2011-01-17 05:22:06 <MT`AwAy> my wallet uses SQLite
726 2011-01-17 05:22:09 <MT`AwAy> :D
727 2011-01-17 05:22:11 <andrew12> !!!!
728 2011-01-17 05:22:36 <MT`AwAy> (makes it easier to dump & understand the wallet file)
729 2011-01-17 05:23:18 <andrew12> you'll have to write something to convert a regular wallet.dat to one for qbitcoin :p
730 2011-01-17 05:23:28 <MT`AwAy> that's planned too
731 2011-01-17 05:23:32 <tcatm> bitcointools ;)
732 2011-01-17 05:23:37 <andrew12> that too
733 2011-01-17 05:23:39 <MT`AwAy> maybe not during the beta (it's a bad idea anyway)
734 2011-01-17 05:23:40 <tcatm> dumping to sqlite should be very easy
735 2011-01-17 05:24:03 <tcatm> What database does QBitcoin use for blocks/TX?
736 2011-01-17 05:24:21 <MT`AwAy> anyway the wallet only contains bitcoin addresses, no informations on the amount on each (this information comes from the blocks db)
737 2011-01-17 05:24:26 <MT`AwAy> tcatm, sqlite too
738 2011-01-17 05:24:45 <MT`AwAy> didn't feel like it would be a good idea to include tons of different database engines, and sqlite is fast enough for what I do
739 2011-01-17 05:25:11 <tcatm> yeah and probably easy to exchange if there's ever need for a faster db
740 2011-01-17 05:25:30 <MT`AwAy> yep
741 2011-01-17 05:25:53 <andrew12> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2846.0
742 2011-01-17 05:25:58 <MT`AwAy> anyway there should be no concurrent write accesses, so sqlite is perfect
743 2011-01-17 05:25:59 <andrew12> this is an interesting idea
744 2011-01-17 05:26:32 <luke-jr> anyone wanna buy Civ V with bitcoins?
745 2011-01-17 05:26:33 <MT`AwAy> andrew12, I know tor works quite well in china
746 2011-01-17 05:26:41 <andrew12> MT`AwAy: lol
747 2011-01-17 05:26:44 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, I already got it
748 2011-01-17 05:26:48 <luke-jr> :/
749 2011-01-17 05:26:54 <dirtyfilthy> would they merge, throwing away all the transactions of the shortest chain?
750 2011-01-17 05:26:56 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: you just buy a new PC? :P
751 2011-01-17 05:27:13 <andrew12> it'd be cool if it was possible to make multiple testnets :p
752 2011-01-17 05:27:15 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, nah, why that?
753 2011-01-17 05:27:26 <andrew12> maybe then i could actually generate some btc :P
754 2011-01-17 05:27:29 <luke-jr> Civ V free w/ CPU+mobo combos on NewEgg
755 2011-01-17 05:27:30 <luke-jr> XD
756 2011-01-17 05:27:35 <MT`AwAy> dirtyfilthy, I don't think china will have more cpu than the main network
757 2011-01-17 05:27:46 <MT`AwAy> however one could extract the chinese transactions and broadcast them to the main net
758 2011-01-17 05:27:50 <MT`AwAy> thru making them valid transactions
759 2011-01-17 05:28:03 <MT`AwAy> only one thing: it would become impossible for chinese users to generate blocks
760 2011-01-17 05:28:15 <andrew12> MT`AwAy: that won't work if china generates blocks while detached from the rest of the network
761 2011-01-17 05:28:26 <tcatm> dirtyfilthy, MT`AwAy: that's just what happens. TX from shorter chain will be integrated into the longer one
762 2011-01-17 05:28:34 <MT`AwAy> andrew12, it depends if the chinese transactions are spent from previous blocks or new ones
763 2011-01-17 05:28:41 <andrew12> MT`AwAy: that's true
764 2011-01-17 05:28:49 <andrew12> but generated blocks obviously won't be valid
765 2011-01-17 05:28:58 <MT`AwAy> yep, but the transactions in them may still be
766 2011-01-17 05:29:24 <tcatm> We already had such a split (though a very small one but still blocks got invalidated)
767 2011-01-17 05:29:27 <MT`AwAy> anyway if only one node in china is connected on both normal net (via tor) and chinese net, it'll make generation of blocks for chinese users possible
768 2011-01-17 05:30:07 <MT`AwAy> also QBitcoin includes port randomization, and I plan to add inter-client encryption (SSL) in a later release
769 2011-01-17 05:30:16 <andrew12> how will that work?
770 2011-01-17 05:30:26 <MT`AwAy> andrew12, inter-client encryption ?
771 2011-01-17 05:30:37 <andrew12> port randomization
772 2011-01-17 05:30:45 <MT`AwAy> port randomization is already possible in current protocol
773 2011-01-17 05:30:51 <andrew12> hmm
774 2011-01-17 05:30:53 <dirtyfilthy> MT`AwAy: looking forward to your client release, hopefully it will make making my android client a bit easier
775 2011-01-17 05:30:53 <MT`AwAy> client exchange ip/port pairs
776 2011-01-17 05:30:56 <andrew12> oh
777 2011-01-17 05:31:10 <MT`AwAy> it's just a matter of sending a different port
778 2011-01-17 05:31:11 <andrew12> I'm assuming you're doing UPnP too?
779 2011-01-17 05:31:20 <tcatm> dirtyfilthy: oh you're working on an android client?
780 2011-01-17 05:31:22 <MT`AwAy> I'll try, I found some code so it should be fine
781 2011-01-17 05:31:28 <andrew12> good :)
782 2011-01-17 05:31:32 <luke-jr> dirtyfilthy: tcatm has a working Android client :P
783 2011-01-17 05:31:46 <dirtyfilthy> tcatm: sweet! is it released?
784 2011-01-17 05:31:55 <MT`AwAy> also inter-client encryption will be implemented by throwing a ssl handshake at the socket
785 2011-01-17 05:31:56 <andrew12> it's js :P
786 2011-01-17 05:31:57 <tcatm> well I'm waiting for boost to compile but after that I'll have a full bitcoind on android
787 2011-01-17 05:32:01 <andrew12> oh
788 2011-01-17 05:32:01 <MT`AwAy> legacy clients will ignore it
789 2011-01-17 05:32:07 <MT`AwAy> new client will handshake and start ssl
790 2011-01-17 05:32:09 <andrew12> tcatm: i'm interested :P
791 2011-01-17 05:32:27 <andrew12> "Send bitcoins to my phone!"
792 2011-01-17 05:32:27 <tcatm> dirtyfilthy: only UI (javascript) for now. http://tcatm.github.com/bitcoin-js-remote/
793 2011-01-17 05:33:00 <dirtyfilthy> i'm working on a pure java implementation, i got the networking stuff down and i'm working on the core block/tx validation stuff now
794 2011-01-17 05:33:35 <andrew12> dirtyfilthy: will it be able to generate? :P
795 2011-01-17 05:33:47 <tcatm> I'll just stuff js-remote into a webview, add bitcoind binary with -datadir=/sdcard/bitcoin and put everything into a nice package
796 2011-01-17 05:33:48 <dirtyfilthy> having another  client codebase to look at would make my life much much easier
797 2011-01-17 05:33:57 <dirtyfilthy> andrew12: no :P
798 2011-01-17 05:34:03 <tcatm> dirtyfilthy: look at half-client
799 2011-01-17 05:34:23 <dirtyfilthy> i'm not planning on having it rebroadcast anything either
800 2011-01-17 05:34:34 <andrew12> tcatm: let me know when you have a bitcoind binary. i want to try it :p
801 2011-01-17 05:34:58 <tcatm> andrew12: could take a few hours. boost is a lot of code to compile
802 2011-01-17 05:35:17 <tcatm> (= 37 MB tarbz2)
803 2011-01-17 05:35:22 <andrew12> hmm
804 2011-01-17 05:35:33 <andrew12> how fast is your pc?
805 2011-01-17 05:35:41 <dirtyfilthy> tcatm: what is half-client?
806 2011-01-17 05:35:44 <tcatm> 1.6 GHz
807 2011-01-17 05:35:54 <tcatm> dirtyfilthy: a half python client written by ArtForz
808 2011-01-17 05:35:58 <andrew12> I could let you compile on my mac.. it's not that good but it might be better than what you've got
809 2011-01-17 05:36:04 <necrodearia> Anyone familiar with DiabloMiner? http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1721.msg38853#msg38853
810 2011-01-17 05:36:10 <tcatm> andrew12: I have a quadcore
811 2011-01-17 05:36:13 <andrew12> oh
812 2011-01-17 05:36:18 <andrew12> psh nevermind :p
813 2011-01-17 05:36:19 <dirtyfilthy> tcatm: where do i find this?
814 2011-01-17 05:36:20 <tcatm> But I'm too lazy to turn it on :)
815 2011-01-17 05:36:33 <andrew12> you'd rather wait hours than turn on your quad core
816 2011-01-17 05:36:37 <andrew12> ?
817 2011-01-17 05:36:38 <andrew12> lol
818 2011-01-17 05:36:39 <tcatm> dirtyfilthy: http://pastebin.com/JZM6Hemt
819 2011-01-17 05:37:22 <tcatm> andrew12: yep. it somehow stopped to respont to wake-on-lan packets
820 2011-01-17 05:37:32 <andrew12> ooh, public-domain
821 2011-01-17 05:37:51 <dirtyfilthy> tcatm: thanks
822 2011-01-17 05:38:21 <tcatm> dirtyfilthy: usage example: http://pastebin.com/LsSebetx
823 2011-01-17 05:38:39 <andrew12> grrr
824 2011-01-17 05:38:43 <andrew12> why do I always find myself doing /list
825 2011-01-17 05:39:24 <tcatm> I once used a script that showed the nicklist when I typed "ls" (without /)
826 2011-01-17 05:39:40 <tcatm> Was quite annoying when I stopped using that script...
827 2011-01-17 05:40:23 <andrew12> no, I mean I do /list without realizing that all it's going to do is freeze my client for a few seconds and give me a huge list of channels
828 2011-01-17 05:40:51 <andrew12> but i guess that's freenode :p
829 2011-01-17 05:41:09 <andrew12> alis helps though
830 2011-01-17 05:41:57 <dirtyfilthy> tcatm: ah yeah, that's basically the same point i'm at, can connect to network and listen to packets, doesn't really do anything with them yet
831 2011-01-17 05:43:03 <tcatm> dirtyfilthy: I have a working blockchain class somewhere. Should be easy to add. bitcointools adds very basic script support so you could send and receive standard TX.
832 2011-01-17 05:43:43 <tcatm> ... away for about 5 hours
833 2011-01-17 05:44:11 <andrew12> =[
834 2011-01-17 05:44:58 <dirtyfilthy> tcatm: thanks for the help
835 2011-01-17 05:47:15 <andrew12> /scid -a /ame runs naked through all the channels
836 2011-01-17 05:47:44 <necrodearia> tcatm: I see you removed +m from #bitcoin-monitor.  How come?
837 2011-01-17 05:47:57 <andrew12> the bot isn't +v
838 2011-01-17 05:48:08 <andrew12> also <@tcatm> ... away for about 5 hours
839 2011-01-17 05:49:32 <andrew12> i should write a half client in ruby for fun
840 2011-01-17 05:49:36 <necrodearia> #bc-news seems rather underpopulated
841 2011-01-17 05:50:29 <kiba> hmm
842 2011-01-17 05:50:36 <kiba> yesterday, there were 104 users online at the same time
843 2011-01-17 05:50:58 <andrew12> how do you know this?
844 2011-01-17 05:51:16 <andrew12> or do you mean 104 connections?
845 2011-01-17 05:51:27 <kiba> 104 users online at the same time
846 2011-01-17 05:51:41 <kiba> have you take a careful look at the forum?
847 2011-01-17 05:51:45 <kiba> the stats is down at the bottom
848 2011-01-17 05:52:01 <andrew12> oh, on the forum
849 2011-01-17 05:52:31 <andrew12> i thought you meant with bitcoin client open
850 2011-01-17 05:52:35 <kiba> we tied last month
851 2011-01-17 05:52:39 <andrew12> be interesting to find that out :p
852 2011-01-17 05:53:15 <kiba> it's a big forum community
853 2011-01-17 05:54:22 <andrew12^mac> yeah, i can't get myself to use forums that much
854 2011-01-17 05:54:35 <andrew12^mac> --unfortunately :(
855 2011-01-17 05:55:13 <kiba> if you want jobs, you ask for them
856 2011-01-17 05:55:17 <kiba> ask, and you shall receive
857 2011-01-17 06:29:57 <andrew12> ;;bc,poolstats
858 2011-01-17 06:29:58 <gribble> {"round_probability": 33.399999999999999, "hashes_ps": 18628919935, "shares": 7495, "active_workers": 615, "round_duration": "0:28:48", "round_started": "2011-01-17 07:01:09", "getwork_ps": 109}
859 2011-01-17 06:30:40 <andrew12> 18,628,919,935 .. 18Ghash/s?
860 2011-01-17 06:36:48 <andrew12> ;;bc,calc 18628919
861 2011-01-17 06:36:50 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 18628919 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 1 hour, 10 minutes, and 50 seconds
862 2011-01-17 06:37:00 <andrew12> hmm
863 2011-01-17 06:37:10 <andrew12> ;;bc,calc 18628919935
864 2011-01-17 06:37:11 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 18628919935 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 4 seconds
865 2011-01-17 06:37:13 <andrew12> lol
866 2011-01-17 06:39:08 <andrew12> ;;bc,calcd 500 0
867 2011-01-17 06:39:08 <gribble> Error: float division
868 2011-01-17 06:39:12 <andrew12> ;;bc,calcd 500 1
869 2011-01-17 06:39:12 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 500 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 1, is 2 hours, 23 minutes, and 9 seconds
870 2011-01-17 06:39:45 <dishwara> hi hi hi
871 2011-01-17 06:39:49 <andrew12> lo lo lo
872 2011-01-17 06:39:53 <dishwara> i hope anyone will help me
873 2011-01-17 06:40:11 <dishwara> i have nvidia 9400GT graphics card
874 2011-01-17 06:40:21 <dishwara> with latest drivers 260.99
875 2011-01-17 06:41:03 <dishwara> i saw in a site that for ati, they have ati stream sdk 2.3 something which increasess hashes
876 2011-01-17 06:41:16 <dishwara> is there anything there for CUDA?
877 2011-01-17 06:41:44 <andrew12> you mean a miner for cuda? sure
878 2011-01-17 06:42:20 <dishwara> no i already using various miners
879 2011-01-17 06:42:35 <dishwara> rpc seems my fav
880 2011-01-17 06:42:40 <dishwara> http://developer.nvidia.com/object/cuda_3_2_downloads.html#Windows XP, Windows Vista and Windows7
881 2011-01-17 06:42:59 <nevezen> I don't think you need that
882 2011-01-17 06:43:05 <dishwara> what i have to download to increase my mining speed for CUDA
883 2011-01-17 06:43:18 <andrew12> dishwara: you can't just download something to mine faster
884 2011-01-17 06:43:22 <dishwara> i use cpu only, coz using cuda makes my system slow
885 2011-01-17 06:43:23 <nevezen> haha
886 2011-01-17 06:43:42 <andrew12> dishwara: then what's the point of even using cuda?....
887 2011-01-17 06:43:48 <dishwara> in 2 thread it mines at 2000+khas
888 2011-01-17 06:44:03 <dishwara> in 4 thread it mines at 4000+khas
889 2011-01-17 06:44:10 <andrew12> go figure.
890 2011-01-17 06:44:23 <dishwara> but if use cuda it is always 2000+ & also slows sytem
891 2011-01-17 06:44:43 <andrew12> dishwara: if you don't want your system to be slow I don't suggest you touch any miners
892 2011-01-17 06:44:46 <dishwara> thats why i am asking help
893 2011-01-17 06:44:47 <nevezen> then don't use CUDA
894 2011-01-17 06:45:42 <dishwara> if there is ati stream sdk to make ati card mine more
895 2011-01-17 06:45:50 <dishwara> then what for cuda?
896 2011-01-17 06:45:56 <nevezen> nothing
897 2011-01-17 06:46:42 <dishwara> nevezen: u saying there is nothing to help cuda to mine more?
898 2011-01-17 06:46:53 <andrew12> dishwara: nope.
899 2011-01-17 06:47:04 <nevezen> you can try an openCL gpu client
900 2011-01-17 06:47:39 <andrew12> installing things won't get you more hashes/s. the only thing you can do tbh is try different miners
901 2011-01-17 06:48:01 <nevezen> you can try overclocking your hardware.
902 2011-01-17 06:48:24 <dishwara> i tried all the four miners in mining.bitcoin.cc
903 2011-01-17 06:48:34 <andrew12> dishwara: .cz
904 2011-01-17 06:48:40 <dishwara> rpcminer works good
905 2011-01-17 06:48:52 <dishwara> all works same only atleast to me
906 2011-01-17 06:48:58 <andrew12> which one? xD
907 2011-01-17 06:49:05 <dishwara> & opencl fails on my card
908 2011-01-17 06:49:05 <gribble> Error: "opencl" is not a valid command.
909 2011-01-17 06:49:08 <andrew12> they're all rpc miners :P
910 2011-01-17 06:50:48 <dishwara> i use puddipons, m0mchils & jgarzik
911 2011-01-17 06:51:02 <dishwara> puddions i mean rpc miner
912 2011-01-17 06:51:29 <dishwara> puddionpops
913 2011-01-17 06:52:33 <andrew12> puddinpop's*
914 2011-01-17 06:52:54 <dishwara> s
915 2011-01-17 06:53:32 <dishwara> so no sdk to improve cuda, coz a guy mentioned he went from 2000+ to 30000 after ati stream sdk
916 2011-01-17 06:53:40 <andrew12> no
917 2011-01-17 06:54:10 <nevezen> how many hash/s do you get for your nvidia card, using any gpu miner?
918 2011-01-17 06:54:35 <dishwara> if i use cuda i get around 1900+
919 2011-01-17 06:54:46 <dishwara> if cpu then 2 thread 2000+
920 2011-01-17 06:54:53 <nevezen> 1900+ what?
921 2011-01-17 06:54:54 <dishwara> 4 thread 3500+
922 2011-01-17 06:54:59 <dishwara> khash
923 2011-01-17 06:55:09 <dishwara> 2000khash
924 2011-01-17 06:55:13 <nevezen> but that's cpu. I'm asking for GPU speed..
925 2011-01-17 06:55:41 <dishwara> for gpu , i get 1900khash
926 2011-01-17 06:55:45 <dishwara> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2444.msg38652#msg38652
927 2011-01-17 06:56:04 <nevezen> I think you're doing something wrong
928 2011-01-17 06:56:19 <nevezen> I get 25000 kh/s on my 8800GT
929 2011-01-17 06:57:05 <dishwara> oh
930 2011-01-17 06:58:02 <dishwara> rpcminer-cuda.exe -gpu -url=http://mining.bitcoin.cz:8332 -user=##### -password=#####
931 2011-01-17 06:58:13 <dishwara> i sue this cmd
932 2011-01-17 06:58:36 <dishwara> 9400GT
933 2011-01-17 06:58:56 <nevezen> if it doesn't work, try something else
934 2011-01-17 06:59:08 <nevezen> I use m0mchil's gpu miner
935 2011-01-17 07:07:22 <dishwara> ok, can u please give me cmd to use poclbm?
936 2011-01-17 07:09:13 <nevezen> rtfm
937 2011-01-17 07:16:52 <dishwara> will it work???       poclbm.exe -d0 --host=http://mining.bitcoin.cz --port=8332 --user=#### --pass=####
938 2011-01-17 07:16:59 <dishwara> is it right?
939 2011-01-17 07:18:16 <dishwara> i got this error
940 2011-01-17 07:18:18 <dishwara> Traceback (most recent call last):   File "poclbm.py", line 31, in <module>   File "BitcoinMiner.pyc", line 90, in mine   File "BitcoinMiner.pyc", line 76, in getwork   File "jsonrpcproxy.pyc", line 42, in __call__   File "urllib.pyc", line 89, in urlopen   File "urllib.pyc", line 208, in open   File "urllib.pyc", line 334, in open_http   File "httplib.pyc", line 1008, in __init__   File "httplib.pyc", line 656, in __init__
941 2011-01-17 07:19:34 <nevezen> omit http://
942 2011-01-17 07:20:15 <dishwara> poclbm.exe: error: no such option: --hostmining.bitcoin.cz
943 2011-01-17 07:20:30 <nevezen> you forgot the =
944 2011-01-17 07:20:56 <dishwara> s, sorry
945 2011-01-17 07:23:18 <dishwara> gives 2300+ khash/s without system slow down
946 2011-01-17 07:23:51 <andrew12> =]
947 2011-01-17 07:25:18 <dishwara> but 9400GT only can give 2000+ khash/s? only
948 2011-01-17 07:25:54 <andrew12> only 2000khash/s? i only get 500khash/s on my pc
949 2011-01-17 07:27:35 <dishwara> nevezen gets 25000khash/s on 8800GT
950 2011-01-17 07:27:51 <dishwara> some thing wrong , that i want to correct
951 2011-01-17 07:28:30 <nevezen> do you have the latest drivers?
952 2011-01-17 07:28:39 <nevezen> iirc, they're 260.99
953 2011-01-17 07:28:43 <dishwara> s, using 260.99