1 2011-01-18 00:07:19 <andrew12> yay
  2 2011-01-18 00:07:27 <andrew12> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck now has syntax highlighting on all the examples :]
  3 2011-01-18 00:12:32 <slush> andrew12 you did?
  4 2011-01-18 00:12:37 <slush> (last edited ...)
  5 2011-01-18 00:15:04 <andrew12> yep
  6 2011-01-18 00:15:18 <andrew12> took forever :p
  7 2011-01-18 00:15:42 <andrew12> some people were using <nowiki> and some <code>
  8 2011-01-18 00:15:46 <andrew12> I probably missed some..
  9 2011-01-18 00:16:18 <andrew12> my largest wiki edit ever :P
 10 2011-01-18 00:18:45 <slush> nice :)
 11 2011-01-18 00:23:48 <nevezen> finally made it to 5 btc after 4-5 days in the pool
 12 2011-01-18 00:33:31 <hacim> Diablo-D3: so your miner hasn't been tested on nvidia?
 13 2011-01-18 00:35:07 <midnightmagic> examples like this: printf("\n\nPROCESSMESSAGE MESSAGESTART NOT FOUND\n\n"); vRecv.erase(vRecv.begin(), vRecv.end() - nHeaderSize); ... make me happy when I find them.
 14 2011-01-18 00:35:43 <Diablo-D3> hacim: yes, it works
 15 2011-01-18 00:36:08 <Diablo-D3> andrew12: they should use <pre> really
 16 2011-01-18 00:36:17 <Diablo-D3> hacim: just makes sure your driver is up to date
 17 2011-01-18 00:36:18 <andrew12> well then it won't be highlighted
 18 2011-01-18 00:36:38 <andrew12> and <pre> isn't valid anymore iirc
 19 2011-01-18 00:39:14 <hacim> i guess I need the cuda toolkit too
 20 2011-01-18 00:41:21 <andrew12^mac> bash -c bash -c bash -c bash -c bash
 21 2011-01-18 00:41:30 <andrew12^mac> yo dawg, i heard you like command lines...
 22 2011-01-18 00:43:37 <ArtForz> hehehe
 23 2011-01-18 00:45:34 <noobdearia> So, I was just thinking
 24 2011-01-18 00:45:45 <andrew12> [08:44:41p] <&andrew> or
 25 2011-01-18 00:45:46 <andrew12> [08:44:44p] <&andrew> use screen
 26 2011-01-18 00:45:58 <andrew12> noobdearia: you were?!
 27 2011-01-18 00:46:08 <noobdearia> That it would be very helpful to inform farmers and other individuals who contribute to nonmass and more localized food production to accept and take advantage of Bitcoin.
 28 2011-01-18 00:46:26 <noobdearia> It may help to establish the opportunity for food to be purchasable or made available for exchange with bitcoins
 29 2011-01-18 00:46:35 <kiba> noobdearia: how's your pizza4BTC going?
 30 2011-01-18 00:46:52 <donpdonp> pizza4btc sounds like awesomeness
 31 2011-01-18 00:47:54 <noobdearia> kiba: In its current form of idea, it may not succeed as I had anticipated based on the idea that usd and other currencies (that are likely to fail at any moment) would be used in purchasing the pizzas.  Therefore the site would only offer a temporary means to purchase pizza with bitcoins.
 32 2011-01-18 00:48:36 <noobdearia> temporary while usd still has about the same value as it does now.
 33 2011-01-18 00:49:06 <andrew12> ask pizza hut to accept btc ;)
 34 2011-01-18 00:49:13 <noobdearia> I have contacted them.
 35 2011-01-18 00:49:22 <andrew12> and?
 36 2011-01-18 00:49:29 <noobdearia> They are not interested at this time.
 37 2011-01-18 00:49:33 <kiba> of course
 38 2011-01-18 00:49:34 <andrew12> :(
 39 2011-01-18 00:49:40 <kiba> they're a large company
 40 2011-01-18 00:49:55 <andrew12> next: microsoft? :p
 41 2011-01-18 00:50:18 <noobdearia> monopolies and large corporations, franchises should not be the target for trying to promote Bitcoin to.  It will not work as well as smaller entities, organizations and businesses.
 42 2011-01-18 00:50:49 <noobdearia> Besides, larger corporations are not so exciting either.
 43 2011-01-18 00:51:11 <noobdearia> It would be more exciting to support the existence and sustainability of smaller, more localized and friendly establishments.
 44 2011-01-18 00:51:14 <andrew12> hehe, it's kinda lame for people to just sell things at the mtgox rate :P
 45 2011-01-18 00:51:22 <noobdearia> especially for farms and food resellers
 46 2011-01-18 00:51:46 <noobdearia> e.g. family owned pizza restaurants I could possibly influence to show acceptance towards Bitcoin
 47 2011-01-18 00:52:24 <kiba> not at all, I just don't buy into the whole localism thing
 48 2011-01-18 00:52:52 <ArtForz> ?
 49 2011-01-18 00:52:55 <noobdearia> Do you buy into the idea of having local friends?
 50 2011-01-18 00:52:59 <noobdearia> or local family?
 51 2011-01-18 00:53:04 <ArtForz> you wanna ship pizza internationally or something?
 52 2011-01-18 00:53:07 <kiba> so? What about it?
 53 2011-01-18 00:53:07 <noobdearia> Or do you accept your family being distant?
 54 2011-01-18 00:53:31 <kiba> this is about figuring out the most efficent way to do things
 55 2011-01-18 00:53:36 <noobdearia> Not quite
 56 2011-01-18 00:53:41 <noobdearia> most efficient is not necessarily the best
 57 2011-01-18 00:53:48 <kiba> it is for me.
 58 2011-01-18 00:53:50 <kiba> I alway like more
 59 2011-01-18 00:53:55 <kiba> more food
 60 2011-01-18 00:53:57 <kiba> more water
 61 2011-01-18 00:53:57 <noobdearia> Most efficient way to do things has led the food industry to what it is now
 62 2011-01-18 00:53:59 <kiba> more everything
 63 2011-01-18 00:54:59 <kiba> noobdearia: some people just like cheap food
 64 2011-01-18 00:55:25 <noobdearia> yes, of course, but "cheap" is easy to misunderstand
 65 2011-01-18 00:57:00 <kiba> we need a ration cube!
 66 2011-01-18 00:57:20 <kiba> it taste like bacon and it give you all your micronutrition plus some calories to sustain yourself
 67 2011-01-18 00:57:45 <noagendamarket> just eat baked beans in a can :)
 68 2011-01-18 00:57:57 <brocktice> bitcoin4mre?
 69 2011-01-18 00:58:02 <brocktice> bitcoin4cration?
 70 2011-01-18 00:58:04 <kiba> but it doesn't taste like bacons :(
 71 2011-01-18 00:58:21 <brocktice> kiba: then you're not getting the right baked beans, man
 72 2011-01-18 00:58:29 <kiba> some days, I don't care about eating. I just need a ration cube
 73 2011-01-18 00:58:46 <brocktice> weight gain 4000
 74 2011-01-18 01:06:14 <luke-jr> andrew12: but if we don't, people complain :P
 75 2011-01-18 01:06:42 <luke-jr> andrew12: since BTC value is (almost) always rising, setting fixed BTC prices means they're almost always a higher cost than USD
 76 2011-01-18 01:07:56 <noagendamarket> You can get baked beans with bacon lol
 77 2011-01-18 01:08:06 <noagendamarket> mmmm bacon
 78 2011-01-18 01:08:08 <brocktice> 19:53 < brocktice> kiba: then you're not getting the right baked beans, man
 79 2011-01-18 01:22:08 <andrew12> I wonder if the difficulty will eventually be so high that generating coins is like impossible
 80 2011-01-18 01:22:17 <andrew12> s/coins/blocks/
 81 2011-01-18 01:23:23 <ArtForz> sounds kinda implausible
 82 2011-01-18 01:24:29 <ArtForz> though we might see interesting stuff happen at the 50->25 btc reward drop
 83 2011-01-18 01:24:31 <midnightmagic> people would drop out and it would come back down again. :-)
 84 2011-01-18 01:24:43 <ArtForz> well... if difficulty rises gradually... yes
 85 2011-01-18 01:26:15 <ArtForz> it could get interesting when a large majority of generators are running with only small profit and a) someone throws a lot of hashrate at the network for a short time to massively increase difficulty or b) per-block reward halves
 86 2011-01-18 01:26:32 <ArtForz> now suddenly generation is uneconomical for a vast majority of miners
 87 2011-01-18 01:27:00 <ArtForz> = the 2016 blocks to the next difficulty might take several months
 88 2011-01-18 01:27:12 <ArtForz> *next difficulty adjustment
 89 2011-01-18 01:27:38 <andrew12> quick! everyone send themselves all of their bitcoins!
 90 2011-01-18 01:27:45 <luke-jr> andrew12: it already is
 91 2011-01-18 01:29:03 <luke-jr> ArtForz: yeah, I was wondering about that a couple weeks ago
 92 2011-01-18 01:29:48 <brocktice> depends on price
 93 2011-01-18 01:29:54 <midnightmagic> ;;bc,stats
 94 2011-01-18 01:29:56 <gribble> Current Blocks: 103251 | Current Difficulty: 18437.64439217 | Next Difficulty At Block: 104831 | Next Difficulty In: 1580 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 1 hour, 41 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 22366.95010936
 95 2011-01-18 01:29:57 <brocktice> right now profit margin is still pretty high
 96 2011-01-18 01:30:01 <andrew12> ArtForz: like when nenolod decided to get a bunch of amazon cloud stuff mining? :p
 97 2011-01-18 01:30:01 <ArtForz> yep
 98 2011-01-18 01:30:08 <ArtForz> when?
 99 2011-01-18 01:30:12 <andrew12> in like july
100 2011-01-18 01:30:14 <midnightmagic> but people keep saying profit margin isn't worth it to pick up a 5970..?
101 2011-01-18 01:30:27 <brocktice> midnightmagic: it'd take a while to pay off
102 2011-01-18 01:30:34 <midnightmagic> ah, got it.
103 2011-01-18 01:30:38 <brocktice> midnightmagic: but it would still be profitable
104 2011-01-18 01:30:44 <andrew12> you could also use a good card to do other things, like..play games.
105 2011-01-18 01:30:44 <ArtForz> except his claimed node #s dont match up with time/block
106 2011-01-18 01:30:45 <andrew12> :P
107 2011-01-18 01:30:45 <luke-jr> midnightmagic: maybe because the more people do it, the less likely anyoen will make it back
108 2011-01-18 01:31:12 <midnightmagic> =]
109 2011-01-18 01:31:15 <luke-jr> hmm
110 2011-01-18 01:31:17 <ArtForz> magically the network hashrate didnt drop AT ALL when he shut down his claimed $largenum of nodes
111 2011-01-18 01:31:31 <andrew12> ArtForz: what's worse is apparently he lost all of his BTC because he reformatted
112 2011-01-18 01:31:43 <andrew12> so it apparently wasn't important to him
113 2011-01-18 01:31:46 <andrew12> heh
114 2011-01-18 01:31:49 <luke-jr> anyone want to offer me 500 BTC in exchange for me *not* getting a good GPU miner and mining? :P
115 2011-01-18 01:31:52 <Cusipzzz> lol
116 2011-01-18 01:32:09 <midnightmagic> how about I offer you some BTC TO buy a good gpu and start mining..?
117 2011-01-18 01:32:24 <luke-jr> midnightmagic: why would you do that?
118 2011-01-18 01:32:35 <andrew12> luke-jr: he'd probably want a share ;)
119 2011-01-18 01:32:36 <ArtForz> and his claimed "starting more nodes" *exactly* coincides with the influx of new miners from /. ... what a coincidence!
120 2011-01-18 01:32:55 <luke-jr> andrew12: well, that's kinda what I'm trying to do with the inverse :P
121 2011-01-18 01:33:28 <andrew12> hey, if someone wants to send me 10 BTC i'll kill all my miners :p
122 2011-01-18 01:33:30 <midnightmagic> luke-jr: just to be contrary. plus it strengthens the currency.
123 2011-01-18 01:33:34 <luke-jr> "share your BTC or I'll get my own!" :P
124 2011-01-18 01:33:40 <midnightmagic> andrew12: really? :-)
125 2011-01-18 01:33:53 <luke-jr> midnightmagic: just how much BTC do you want to send me? enough to buy the card? :P
126 2011-01-18 01:33:56 <andrew12> midnightmagic: i've only got 1500kh/s ;)
127 2011-01-18 01:34:03 <midnightmagic> :-)
128 2011-01-18 01:34:05 <luke-jr> andrew12: that's far more than I
129 2011-01-18 01:34:06 <ArtForz> didnt tcatm do this a while ago?
130 2011-01-18 01:34:13 <luke-jr> ArtForz: ?
131 2011-01-18 01:34:18 <ArtForz> rent out Mh/s for BTC
132 2011-01-18 01:34:33 <luke-jr> dunno
133 2011-01-18 01:34:34 <midnightmagic> i don't know. i better leave for dinner now before i sart capriciously handing out my bitcoins, thus making my wife frown and shake her head.
134 2011-01-18 01:34:42 <luke-jr> XD
135 2011-01-18 01:34:45 <andrew12> midnightmagic: do it!
136 2011-01-18 01:34:47 <ArtForz> like 3 months ago iirc
137 2011-01-18 01:35:19 <midnightmagic> how the heck does that work? :-)
138 2011-01-18 01:35:28 <andrew12> also the only reason i'm getting 1500kh/s is because i'm running 3 miners (1 on this pc getting 500kh/s and 2 on my mac getting 500kh/s each)
139 2011-01-18 01:35:28 <ArtForz> x BTC up-front to get the mining output from Y Mh/s after 4wk
140 2011-01-18 01:35:28 <luke-jr> sounds liek gambling
141 2011-01-18 01:35:40 <ArtForz> yep, pretty much betting on future difficulty
142 2011-01-18 01:35:45 <luke-jr> midnightmagic: 1KczVqwopWXQdFLe5sNQbpCq7yGSmXx2oo
143 2011-01-18 01:35:50 <Cusipzzz> lol
144 2011-01-18 01:36:06 <andrew12> 1NkqZE4DA8h6Xbtz9GtJcfE1FcA8Z5yRJN
145 2011-01-18 01:36:09 <andrew12> pl0x
146 2011-01-18 01:36:13 <luke-jr> XD
147 2011-01-18 01:36:16 <midnightmagic> HAHA hilarious..
148 2011-01-18 01:36:28 <midnightmagic> take care
149 2011-01-18 01:36:30 <midnightmagic> o
150 2011-01-18 01:36:33 <andrew12> o/
151 2011-01-18 01:37:20 <andrew12> 1NkqZE4DA8h6Xbtz9GtJcfE1FcA8Z5yRJN now highlights me :)
152 2011-01-18 01:46:24 <andrew12> thanks to whoever sent 0.01 btc o_O
153 2011-01-18 02:02:03 <luke-jr> XD
154 2011-01-18 02:02:28 <andrew12> hmm
155 2011-01-18 02:02:41 <andrew12> the block number in the bitcoin client doesn't count block 0?
156 2011-01-18 02:02:55 <ArtForz> errr... it does
157 2011-01-18 02:02:59 <ArtForz> block 0 is block 0
158 2011-01-18 02:03:05 <ArtForz> block 1 is the block after that
159 2011-01-18 02:03:39 <andrew12> it's saying 103254 blocks
160 2011-01-18 02:04:01 <tcatm> luke-jr: I mined fractions of your TBC as fees :P
161 2011-01-18 02:04:02 <andrew12> where there is really 103255 (counting block 0)
162 2011-01-18 02:04:45 <ArtForz> real programmers count from 0
163 2011-01-18 02:05:14 <ArtForz> it's displaying height, not # of blocks
164 2011-01-18 02:05:32 <andrew12> yes, but this is the number of blocks. it's not showing that, it's showing the number of the newest block
165 2011-01-18 02:05:40 <ArtForz> and the first block has height 0, because 0 came before it
166 2011-01-18 02:05:50 <ArtForz> so the 2nd block has height 1, ...
167 2011-01-18 02:05:51 <andrew12> bah
168 2011-01-18 02:06:00 <andrew12> i don't understand what you're saying so i'm not going to argue :)
169 2011-01-18 02:06:20 <ArtForz> it's a bit weird
170 2011-01-18 02:06:28 <ArtForz> we used to display height+1, but that made it even weirder
171 2011-01-18 02:06:43 <ArtForz> because then block 0 has height 1
172 2011-01-18 02:06:51 <ArtForz> errr... the other way around
173 2011-01-18 02:06:55 <andrew12> lol
174 2011-01-18 02:07:19 <ArtForz> and we internally index blocks from 0
175 2011-01-18 02:07:28 <andrew12> "we"?
176 2011-01-18 02:07:34 <andrew12> :p
177 2011-01-18 02:07:46 <andrew12> you sound like the King of All Cosmos
178 2011-01-18 02:08:06 <ArtForz> "we" as in whoever wrote bitcoin, gavins bitcointools and my not-quite-a-client
179 2011-01-18 02:12:26 <andrew12> ArtForz: your not-quite-a-client? /interest
180 2011-01-18 02:13:57 <andrew12> does the person that wrote bitcoin ever come in here? lol
181 2011-01-18 02:14:56 <ArtForz> I think I pastebinned the source quite a while ago
182 2011-01-18 02:15:08 <ArtForz> building on my half-a-client python network parser/builder
183 2011-01-18 02:15:19 <ArtForz> *half-a-node
184 2011-01-18 02:15:23 <andrew12> oh, i read something about a half-a-client
185 2011-01-18 02:15:28 <andrew12> in here, earlier
186 2011-01-18 02:15:30 <andrew12> it was probably you
187 2011-01-18 02:16:35 <ArtForz> my not-quite-a-node finds peers, connects to a few, acceppts incoming connections, has a addr and block DB and stores and forwards blocks and transactions
188 2011-01-18 02:17:13 <andrew12> i might try writing one in ruby if i dont have anything to do after school tomorrow
189 2011-01-18 02:17:15 <ArtForz> doesn't verify transactions on its own though :/
190 2011-01-18 02:18:11 <hacim> ArtForz: i hear you have some 6970s, wanna update https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_Hardware_Comparison with some stats?
191 2011-01-18 02:19:08 <andrew12^mac> ArtForz: do you have a link to it? i wanna try running it later
192 2011-01-18 02:19:26 <andrew12^mac> maybe write in some code so it's like 'I GOT A BLOCK FROM XXXXXX'
193 2011-01-18 02:20:24 <andrew12^mac> well. i'll bbl
194 2011-01-18 02:23:50 <ProblemBit> I have a problem (I think) I have Bitcoin installed on a pc for several month. Last version is installed. WinXP x64. I think there is no activity. The last confirmation was on 11/5/2010 and since this date there is no coin generated. Any hints please?
195 2011-01-18 02:24:15 <tcatm> How many blocks does your client has?
196 2011-01-18 02:24:20 <tcatm> ;;bc,blocks
197 2011-01-18 02:24:27 <ProblemBit> 8 connections 103256 blocks 10 transactions
198 2011-01-18 02:24:29 <gribble> 103256
199 2011-01-18 02:24:37 <lfm> what is the khash/s rate?
200 2011-01-18 02:24:37 <ProblemBit> how you know it :P
201 2011-01-18 02:24:42 <ProblemBit> 3704
202 2011-01-18 02:24:46 <ProblemBit> 3673
203 2011-01-18 02:24:53 <ProblemBit> around that
204 2011-01-18 02:24:56 <lfm> ;;bc,calc 3704
205 2011-01-18 02:24:59 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 3704 Khps, given current difficulty of ERROR: Could not connect to JSON-RPC. Try again in a few minutes. Tell me if it still doesn't work in 30 minutes. , is 35 weeks, 2 days, 10 hours, 42 minutes, and 21 seconds
206 2011-01-18 02:25:12 <ArtForz> aww :/
207 2011-01-18 02:25:24 <ProblemBit> long..
208 2011-01-18 02:25:48 <tcatm> yep
209 2011-01-18 02:25:51 <ArtForz> yep
210 2011-01-18 02:25:54 <lfm> so you should expect to get one generated block about every 35 weeks on average
211 2011-01-18 02:25:54 <tcatm> better buy some coins
212 2011-01-18 02:25:55 <ProblemBit> I don't understand why but in the first month the client generate a lot of money and stop at the given date
213 2011-01-18 02:26:23 <lfm> it difficulty has been going up constantly
214 2011-01-18 02:26:25 <ArtForz> difficulty has been increasing a lot the last few months
215 2011-01-18 02:26:31 <ProblemBit> from 7/14/2010 to 11/5/2010 500 coins have been generated
216 2011-01-18 02:26:39 <ProblemBit> nothing after that
217 2011-01-18 02:27:10 <ArtForz> http://nullvoid.org/bitcoin/difficultiez.php
218 2011-01-18 02:27:18 <lfm> ya, back in july the difficulty was under 100, now it is 18000
219 2011-01-18 02:27:55 <ProblemBit> sorry I think I missed something, what is the difficulty?
220 2011-01-18 02:28:15 <lfm> it is indicator of the chances of generating a block
221 2011-01-18 02:28:54 <ProblemBit> so as time pass this will always be higher?
222 2011-01-18 02:29:02 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 3704 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 100, is 1 day, 8 hours, 12 minutes, and 34 seconds
223 2011-01-18 02:29:02 <lfm> ;;bc,calcd 3704 100
224 2011-01-18 02:29:08 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 3704 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 18000, is 34 weeks, 3 days, 13 hours, 44 minutes, and 31 seconds
225 2011-01-18 02:29:08 <lfm> ;;bc,calcd 3704 18000
226 2011-01-18 02:29:24 <ProblemBit> ok
227 2011-01-18 02:29:44 <lfm> it should level off someday,, might even go down
228 2011-01-18 02:30:08 <ProblemBit> it's ok now I understand, I tought something was wrong with my client/config
229 2011-01-18 02:31:02 <ProblemBit> and a last one: when I installed the client for the first time I remember I have find a website where we can buy/sell coin for US$ or CAN$
230 2011-01-18 02:31:28 <lfm> try mtgox.com
231 2011-01-18 02:32:20 <kiba> we been....spammed!
232 2011-01-18 02:32:32 <luke-jr> tcatm: aww
233 2011-01-18 02:32:43 <kiba> tcatm: how's your server situation?
234 2011-01-18 02:33:45 <tcatm> kiba: bitcoincharts?
235 2011-01-18 02:33:55 <kiba> hai
236 2011-01-18 02:34:32 <tcatm> don't know. it might just disappear in feb or march. then I'll have to look for a new VPS
237 2011-01-18 02:34:49 <kiba> you're paying in dollars?
238 2011-01-18 02:35:08 <tcatm> I'm not paying at all; using an old VPS the provider forgot about
239 2011-01-18 02:35:45 <lfm> tcatm hehe where can I get one of those?
240 2011-01-18 02:36:07 <ArtForz> stupid providers are fun
241 2011-01-18 02:37:14 <ArtForz> friend of mine has free uncapped cable because his provider fucked up the headend config
242 2011-01-18 02:38:19 <kiba> my family have free cable for 3 years
243 2011-01-18 02:38:39 <kiba> tv cable
244 2011-01-18 02:38:54 <ArtForz> inet in this case
245 2011-01-18 02:39:20 <tcatm> No idea. The provider was bought by another provider about 2 years ago and the host server relocated. At that time I canceled the contract (admin interface didn't work, connection was unstable) but it's still on but I recently found another admin interface that says the VPS will be shut down in feb.
246 2011-01-18 02:40:36 <kiba> time to move to a bitcoin supporting VPS
247 2011-01-18 02:40:38 <ArtForz> basically any modem with a unknown MAC gets no BW caps, yet still gets full net access
248 2011-01-18 02:40:48 <ArtForz> ...yeah
249 2011-01-18 02:40:51 <Diablo-D3> idiotic
250 2011-01-18 02:40:55 <luke-jr> like me
251 2011-01-18 02:41:06 <ArtForz> small family-run cable ISP with ~10k subs
252 2011-01-18 02:42:36 <tcatm> kiba: any recommendations?
253 2011-01-18 02:42:45 <kiba> I don't use any of them, yet
254 2011-01-18 02:43:42 <tcatm> If everything fails I'll host the site on one of my miners temporarly. Will be a lot slower but at least I got a static IP
255 2011-01-18 02:44:28 <kiba> it's bitcoins all the way down!
256 2011-01-18 02:44:50 <ArtForz> yep
257 2011-01-18 02:44:57 <kiba> we can already pay for full hosting service
258 2011-01-18 02:45:44 <kiba> I wonder what would happen if the bitcoin site sells ads space for bitcoin
259 2011-01-18 02:46:44 <luke-jr_> kiba: when the bitcoin site, development, etc is all funded/paid in bitcoins, it's self-hosting? :P
260 2011-01-18 02:47:17 <kiba> the bitcoin project now pay everything in bitcoin! It's bootstrapping using its own currency!
261 2011-01-18 02:47:24 <noagendamarket> lol
262 2011-01-18 02:48:04 <noagendamarket> If it makes enought it could start paying bug bounties
263 2011-01-18 02:48:16 <noagendamarket> just like google....
264 2011-01-18 02:48:35 <noagendamarket> ie self replication ftw
265 2011-01-18 02:48:50 <tcatm> we already know of enough bugs ;)
266 2011-01-18 02:48:53 <luke-jr_> noagendamarket: before bug bounties, professional security audits
267 2011-01-18 02:49:08 <noagendamarket> :)
268 2011-01-18 02:49:13 <ArtForz> security? how bout crypto audits?
269 2011-01-18 02:49:22 <luke-jr_> that's part of security in my book :P
270 2011-01-18 02:49:31 <ArtForz> not really
271 2011-01-18 02:49:54 <luke-jr_> &
272 2011-01-18 02:50:00 <luke-jr_> it's my book. I decide how it is :P
273 2011-01-18 02:50:07 <luke-jr_> that's /why/ it's /my/ book&
274 2011-01-18 02:50:28 <dirtyfilthy> there are a billion easier ways to attack the client than attacking the crypto
275 2011-01-18 02:50:43 <luke-jr_> bruteforce JSON-RPC?
276 2011-01-18 02:50:45 <ArtForz> yep
277 2011-01-18 02:50:48 <ArtForz> nah
278 2011-01-18 02:50:59 <dirtyfilthy> i'd start fuzzing the protocol
279 2011-01-18 02:51:05 <ArtForz> good luck with that
280 2011-01-18 02:51:30 <ArtForz> the p2p part has DoS holes bigger than the side of a barn
281 2011-01-18 02:51:55 <dirtyfilthy> ah yeah dos, but i'm thinking you want code exec and stealing $$$
282 2011-01-18 02:51:58 <dirtyfilthy> if you were going to bother
283 2011-01-18 02:52:04 <andrew12> hmm
284 2011-01-18 02:52:15 <andrew12> tcatm: are you looking for a vps host?
285 2011-01-18 02:52:20 <ArtForz> well, good luck trying
286 2011-01-18 02:52:21 <tcatm> andrew12: yep
287 2011-01-18 02:52:29 <ArtForz> I did, couldnt find anything decent
288 2011-01-18 02:52:30 <andrew12> I heard 123systems was good
289 2011-01-18 02:53:05 <dirtyfilthy> i'm not going to, but i'm interested to see what happens to the network when we get a bunch of different clients with slightly different interpretations of the protocol going
290 2011-01-18 02:53:10 <ArtForz> except for a possible OOM/buffer overflow which was easy to fix (missing max size check)
291 2011-01-18 02:53:16 <andrew12> you can also try Kerplunc hosting
292 2011-01-18 02:53:21 <andrew12> theirs is more expensive though
293 2011-01-18 02:53:28 <andrew12> try to get a XEN one
294 2011-01-18 02:54:17 <luke-jr_> pfft
295 2011-01-18 02:54:20 <luke-jr_> Xen sucks :p
296 2011-01-18 02:54:39 <kiba> so it's very easy to DOS the bitcoin network?
297 2011-01-18 02:54:41 <luke-jr_> andrew12: also, I accept bitcoins :p
298 2011-01-18 02:54:54 <ArtForz> not the network, but single nodes
299 2011-01-18 02:56:11 <ArtForz> without "excessive" bandwidth use
300 2011-01-18 02:56:39 <nanotube> ArtForz: you mean, send fake tx, causing the node to use a lot of cpu time to verify them?
301 2011-01-18 02:56:44 <ArtForz> yep
302 2011-01-18 02:57:02 <nanotube> mmm
303 2011-01-18 02:57:21 <ArtForz> or just let it cache completely random "orphan transactions"
304 2011-01-18 02:57:29 <nanotube> well that would be pretty easy to prevent - once you get 100 bad tx from $ip, block it.
305 2011-01-18 02:57:42 <nanotube> s/100/somenumber/
306 2011-01-18 02:57:49 <ArtForz> how do you determine if a orphan tx is bad?
307 2011-01-18 02:57:49 <nanotube> that is unlikely to occur 'in good faith'
308 2011-01-18 02:58:00 <ArtForz> answer: you can't
309 2011-01-18 02:58:03 <nanotube> well... how likely are you to get 100 orphan tx from one source?
310 2011-01-18 02:58:12 <ArtForz> rare, but happens
311 2011-01-18 02:58:19 <ArtForz> especially when TX floods are ongoing
312 2011-01-18 02:58:27 <nanotube> mmm
313 2011-01-18 03:07:12 <andrew12^mac> crayzyasaydf
314 2011-01-18 03:08:03 <andrew12^mac> Xen is better than OpenVZ... an other IRC network I'm on almost lost their services database because of openVZ
315 2011-01-18 03:08:25 <luke-jr_> andrew12^mac: FUD
316 2011-01-18 03:09:21 <andrew12> huh?
317 2011-01-18 03:09:40 <luke-jr_> andrew12: you're spreading false fear, uncertainty, and doubt
318 2011-01-18 03:09:48 <luke-jr_> nobody loses a db because of OpenVZ
319 2011-01-18 03:11:01 <andrew12^mac> no database was lost :)
320 2011-01-18 03:11:07 <luke-jr_> maybe an incompetent hosting service admin
321 2011-01-18 03:11:19 <luke-jr_> but that would affect it regardless of OpenVZ vs Xen
322 2011-01-18 03:11:48 <ArtForz> "and nothing of value was lost" ;)
323 2011-01-18 03:12:15 <luke-jr_> blaming OpenVZ sounds like something the bad host admin would do to save his job
324 2011-01-18 03:19:41 <andrew12> >we never had this conversation<
325 2011-01-18 03:20:07 <ArtForz> what conversation?
326 2011-01-18 03:20:37 <andrew12> exactly
327 2011-01-18 03:22:28 <luke-jr_> XD
328 2011-01-18 03:25:12 <andrew12> someone here should go work for ati in order to get more h/s
329 2011-01-18 03:26:06 <luke-jr_> XD
330 2011-01-18 03:26:11 <luke-jr_> you mean AMD
331 2011-01-18 03:26:38 <andrew12> i mean ati.
332 2011-01-18 03:26:45 <andrew12> AMD makes the processors.
333 2011-01-18 03:26:47 <andrew12> the CPUS
334 2011-01-18 03:26:52 <andrew12> ATi makes GPUs
335 2011-01-18 03:27:00 <luke-jr_> ATi no longer exists.
336 2011-01-18 03:27:11 <luke-jr_> AMD bought them and dissolved the trademark
337 2011-01-18 03:27:17 <luke-jr_> all the new cards are branded AMD
338 2011-01-18 03:27:52 <andrew12> well that's lame
339 2011-01-18 03:27:53 <luke-jr_> AMD Radeon 6xxx
340 2011-01-18 03:28:01 <luke-jr_> lol
341 2011-01-18 03:28:08 <andrew12> so i should sell my shitty AGP card
342 2011-01-18 03:28:12 <andrew12> it's vintage now
343 2011-01-18 03:28:13 <andrew12> :p
344 2011-01-18 03:28:25 <luke-jr_> I'm still using my AGP card
345 2011-01-18 03:28:31 <luke-jr_> for another 4 days or so
346 2011-01-18 03:29:36 <tcatm> I've got a few ISA VGA cards. Xorg doesn't support them anymore :/
347 2011-01-18 03:30:05 <andrew12> moo: gfx: ATI Technologies Inc. ATI Radeon Graphics Processor AGP (0x4153) 256MB
348 2011-01-18 03:30:05 <luke-jr_> those were before I was old enough to legally own anything
349 2011-01-18 03:30:23 <andrew12> its like a 4000 or something
350 2011-01-18 03:30:25 <luke-jr_> 01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc R480 [Radeon X850Pro] (Secondary)
351 2011-01-18 03:30:28 <andrew12> i cant remmeber
352 2011-01-18 03:30:40 <andrew12> X9500? i think that's it
353 2011-01-18 03:30:43 <luke-jr_> lol
354 2011-01-18 03:30:48 <luke-jr_> still far newer than my current one ^
355 2011-01-18 03:31:19 <andrew12> yeah except i got mine for freeeeeeee
356 2011-01-18 03:32:06 <luke-jr_> I paid like $150 for mine -.-
357 2011-01-18 03:32:17 <luke-jr_> when that one you have was retailing $50
358 2011-01-18 03:32:30 <luke-jr_> X850 had better free drivers
359 2011-01-18 03:32:47 <andrew12> if I had more RAM I'd be playing Minecraft better, and more often
360 2011-01-18 03:32:52 <andrew12> moo: ram: 233/511MB (45.64%) [|||||-----]
361 2011-01-18 03:32:53 <andrew12> :(
362 2011-01-18 03:34:16 <andrew12> wel i should probably be going
363 2011-01-18 03:37:14 <andrew12> nini
364 2011-01-18 03:56:46 <newsham> i grabbed puddinpop's miner, i configured it with "cmake -i" but when I build I get some errors.
365 2011-01-18 03:56:53 <newsham> ie. USHRT_MAX not defined.
366 2011-01-18 03:57:06 <newsham> (ubuntu10.04).  anyone familiar with this?
367 2011-01-18 04:00:19 <newsham> guess it just wants <limits.h> but odd that its shipped uncompilable (at least on this platform) like that
368 2011-01-18 04:01:05 <luke-jr_> probably compiles on an older libc
369 2011-01-18 04:01:09 <lfm> ya, people often forget limits.h cuz it is often implicitly included in other .h files
370 2011-01-18 04:01:23 <newsham> thing is, thats not the only problem.
371 2011-01-18 04:01:32 <newsham> and this isnt exactly an odd platform
372 2011-01-18 04:01:38 <luke-jr_> newsham: a lot of bugfixes to libc these days are about strictness
373 2011-01-18 04:01:45 <luke-jr_> that is, things were allowed that shouldn't have been
374 2011-01-18 04:02:03 <luke-jr_> so new versions tolerate less bad code
375 2011-01-18 04:07:57 <newsham> also it relies on cutils from nvidia's cuda stuff, but when i installed nvidia's cuda stuff, it didnt include cutils.
376 2011-01-18 04:08:00 <newsham> *sigh*
377 2011-01-18 04:18:00 <lfm> -dev version?
378 2011-01-18 04:30:37 <kiba> time to do night night
379 2011-01-18 04:46:46 <newsham> -dev version?
380 2011-01-18 04:47:04 <lfm> of nvidia cuda install?
381 2011-01-18 04:49:46 <newsham> there is no -dev version.. the cuda package is for developers.
382 2011-01-18 05:03:05 <niekie> Hello :)
383 2011-01-18 05:08:51 <sgornick> hi niekie
384 2011-01-18 05:09:34 <niekie> Hi sgornick :)
385 2011-01-18 05:09:48 <sgornick> are you really on 20 channels?
386 2011-01-18 05:10:10 <niekie> Yes :)
387 2011-01-18 05:10:26 <niekie> On this IRC server I am on a lot of channels.
388 2011-01-18 05:10:34 <sgornick> #go-nuts ?
389 2011-01-18 05:10:40 <niekie> There too, yes :)
390 2011-01-18 05:11:00 <nanotube> looks like a lot more than 20, sgornick :)
391 2011-01-18 05:11:18 <nanotube> i'm on 27
392 2011-01-18 05:12:31 <nanotube> you speak lojban, niekie ? :)
393 2011-01-18 05:12:51 <niekie> nanotube: only very little :)
394 2011-01-18 05:13:33 <nanotube> hehe cool. i've been meaning to give it a more thorough look, but never got to it.
395 2011-01-18 05:13:36 <nanotube> also, you use i2p?
396 2011-01-18 05:13:53 <niekie> Nope. Not currently at least. But I'm following it's developments.
397 2011-01-18 05:14:23 <nanotube> niekie: fwiw there's an i2p relay on #bitcoin-discussion :)
398 2011-01-18 05:14:32 <nanotube> heh ic
399 2011-01-18 05:15:06 <niekie> nanotube: ah, thanks :)
400 2011-01-18 05:15:43 <gribble> Error: "bc.blocks" is not a valid command.
401 2011-01-18 05:15:43 <noobdearia> ;;bc.blocks
402 2011-01-18 05:15:48 <noobdearia> ;;bc,blocks
403 2011-01-18 05:15:49 <gribble> 103266
404 2011-01-18 06:31:06 <dishwara> hi
405 2011-01-18 06:31:26 <dishwara> anyone know webaddress of bitcoin calculator?
406 2011-01-18 06:32:47 <[Noodles]> http://www.alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator.php
407 2011-01-18 07:17:00 <joe_1> where did u get th number
408 2011-01-18 07:17:33 <niekie> http://link2voip.com/ - $1.49/month toll-free numbers, $0.04 per minute incoming.
409 2011-01-18 07:17:39 <niekie> Accepts payment by Bitcoin :)
410 2011-01-18 07:17:42 <joe_1> ok
411 2011-01-18 07:17:47 <joe_1> yeah i messed with them a little
412 2011-01-18 07:17:58 <joe_1> what app do you use to accept the calls
413 2011-01-18 07:18:27 <niekie> I once used a hardware phone but currently I use http://sip-communicator.org/
414 2011-01-18 07:18:51 <joe_1> oh thats for the pc
415 2011-01-18 07:18:55 <joe_1> you never tried anything for the android?
416 2011-01-18 07:19:04 <niekie> Yeah, I did.
417 2011-01-18 07:19:15 <joe_1> i tried fring, and a couple others, but the quality is so bad
418 2011-01-18 07:19:20 <niekie> But my mobile internet provider doesn't allow VoIP traffic.
419 2011-01-18 07:19:35 <niekie> And the wifi sucks here.
420 2011-01-18 07:19:41 <joe_1> oh
421 2011-01-18 07:21:29 <niekie> My mobile phone provider will allow VoIP usage, but I need to pay them like 14,50 a month for it.
422 2011-01-18 07:21:45 <niekie> Which makes no sense.
423 2011-01-18 07:22:33 <niekie> (euro :-/)
424 2011-01-18 07:25:52 <dishwara> [Noodles]: hi
425 2011-01-18 07:26:32 <[Noodles]> hi
426 2011-01-18 07:28:22 <dishwara> 1940L$ for 20?
427 2011-01-18 07:32:24 <hacim> how do I compile bitcoin without wxwidgets?
428 2011-01-18 07:40:08 <joe_1> very carefully
429 2011-01-18 07:43:35 <dishwara> better try windows version, if u like windows
430 2011-01-18 07:44:59 <hacim> i think I figured out how to avoid wx
431 2011-01-18 07:45:05 <hacim> but i can't get it to compile (on linux)
432 2011-01-18 07:45:12 <hacim> this is puddinpop's gpu miner
433 2011-01-18 07:45:44 <hacim> are there any pre-compiled linux GPU miners?
434 2011-01-18 07:49:48 <hacim> hm, i seem to be missing cutil_inline.h
435 2011-01-18 07:50:13 <dishwara> i use puddinpop's gpu, but windows
436 2011-01-18 07:50:14 <niekie> cutil_inline.h is in the SDK Samples AFAIK.
437 2011-01-18 07:51:14 <hacim> samples... hm
438 2011-01-18 07:57:18 <hacim> niekie: its there, but it wants to install stuff into ~ which is an odd place, and the compile wont find it
439 2011-01-18 07:59:04 <davout> ohai
440 2011-01-18 08:00:52 <hacim> well great, it compiles, but fails to link
441 2011-01-18 08:03:56 <hacim> anyone have any ideas why it fails to link? https://micah.riseup.net/pastes/2011-01-18T040331.cfwavqpsLl
442 2011-01-18 08:09:31 <dishwara> i am not geek, but think it searches for a rpcminer directory
443 2011-01-18 08:09:34 <dishwara> make[2]: *** [cmake-rpcminer/CMakeFiles/rpcminer.dir/all] Error 2
444 2011-01-18 08:11:01 <hacim> its in that object file that it finds a function where there is a reference to CUDARunner::CUDARunner()
445 2011-01-18 08:11:54 <dishwara> u installed linux cuda sdk?
446 2011-01-18 08:12:47 <hacim> dishwara: I did, although it installed in a strange place
447 2011-01-18 08:15:03 <dishwara> The version of the CUDA Toolkit can be checked by running nvcc -V in a terminal
448 2011-01-18 08:15:27 <dishwara> http://developer.download.nvidia.com/compute/cuda/3_2_prod/docs/Getting_Started_Linux.pdf
449 2011-01-18 08:16:16 <hacim> yeah, I've got the CUDA Toolkit installed fine
450 2011-01-18 08:17:14 <dishwara> ok, i am out of ideas, sorry i am not much help
451 2011-01-18 08:17:26 <dishwara> but u try this link,  http://developer.nvidia.com/object/cuda_3_2_downloads.html#Linux
452 2011-01-18 08:17:38 <dishwara> have to digg in mauals
453 2011-01-18 08:17:41 <dishwara> bye
454 2011-01-18 08:18:03 <hacim> thanks
455 2011-01-18 08:42:52 <slush> ;;any m0mchil
456 2011-01-18 08:42:58 <gribble> m0mchil was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 17 hours and 37 seconds ago: *** m0mchil <m0mchil!~m0mchil@unaffiliated/m0mchil> has quit IRC ()
457 2011-01-18 08:43:56 <devon_hillard> did paypal unblock mtgox's account, btw?
458 2011-01-18 09:26:58 <xelister> hah lol
459 2011-01-18 09:27:05 <xelister> I started the miner, and also I started the miner
460 2011-01-18 09:27:16 <xelister> probably I should had also started the bitcoind before going to sleep
461 2011-01-18 09:27:18 <xelister> fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
462 2011-01-18 09:29:14 <xelister> FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU >_<
463 2011-01-18 10:08:27 <Rhonda> oh, fuuuuuu.  haven't looked at pics.nase-bohren.de in ages.  thanks for reminding :P
464 2011-01-18 10:41:07 <andrew12> another 2 blocks in the same 2 minutes :P
465 2011-01-18 11:00:49 <andrew12> transactions everywhere
466 2011-01-18 11:53:22 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,stats
467 2011-01-18 11:53:24 <gribble> Current Blocks: 103309 | Current Difficulty: 18437.64439217 | Next Difficulty At Block: 104831 | Next Difficulty In: 1522 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 0 hours, 2 minutes, and 22 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 21695.80602141
468 2011-01-18 12:08:45 <devon_hillard> How to flash a 5950 into a 5070: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIIIaIq60xA
469 2011-01-18 12:08:53 <devon_hillard> anyone here did this?
470 2011-01-18 12:10:23 <Diablo-D3> uh fail
471 2011-01-18 12:10:43 <Diablo-D3> you mean 6850 into 6870
472 2011-01-18 12:10:56 <Diablo-D3> er, 69, not 68
473 2011-01-18 12:11:08 <Diablo-D3> you failed so hard it crept over here and made me typo
474 2011-01-18 12:11:09 <Diablo-D3> gj
475 2011-01-18 12:11:10 <devon_hillard> *6950 into a 6970*
476 2011-01-18 12:22:28 <Diablo-D3> This was a Triumph; making a note here, huge success.
477 2011-01-18 12:30:12 <andrew12^mac> you missed "I'm"
478 2011-01-18 12:30:35 <andrew12^mac> it's hard to overstate my satisfaction.
479 2011-01-18 12:30:45 <andrew12^mac> ApertureScience: we do what we must because we can
480 2011-01-18 12:31:05 <Diablo-D3> for the good all of us, except the ones who are dead
481 2011-01-18 12:31:14 <ApertureScience> and the cake is not a lie!
482 2011-01-18 12:31:39 <andrew12^mac> but there's no sense crying over every mistake
483 2011-01-18 12:31:44 <andrew12^mac> you just keep on trying till you run out of cake
484 2011-01-18 12:31:53 <andrew12^mac> and the science gets done and you make a neat gun for the people who are still alive
485 2011-01-18 12:32:04 <andrew12^mac> i'm not even angry
486 2011-01-18 12:32:08 <andrew12^mac> i'm being so sincere right now
487 2011-01-18 12:32:13 <ApertureScience> gawd everyone sings this to me now lol
488 2011-01-18 12:32:15 <andrew12^mac> even though you broke my heart and killed me
489 2011-01-18 12:32:21 <andrew12^mac> and torn me to pieces
490 2011-01-18 12:32:27 <andrew12^mac> and threw every piece into a fire
491 2011-01-18 12:32:51 <andrew12^mac> anyway this cake is great
492 2011-01-18 12:32:54 <ApertureScience> xunie got me into it he's my fiance btw
493 2011-01-18 12:32:56 <andrew12^mac> it's so delicious and moist
494 2011-01-18 12:33:07 <andrew12^mac> look at me still talking when there's science to do...
495 2011-01-18 12:33:16 <ApertureScience> -_-
496 2011-01-18 12:33:28 <andrew12^mac> i'm done
497 2011-01-18 12:33:34 <andrew12^mac> FOR NOW
498 2011-01-18 12:33:35 <andrew12^mac> dun dun
499 2011-01-18 12:33:38 <ApertureScience> are you sure?
500 2011-01-18 12:33:40 <ApertureScience> lol
501 2011-01-18 12:33:42 <andrew12^mac> gribble died
502 2011-01-18 12:33:44 <andrew12^mac> :(
503 2011-01-18 12:34:05 <andrew12^mac> gawd i am so cold
504 2011-01-18 12:34:08 <andrew12^mac> wb gribble
505 2011-01-18 12:34:09 <andrew12^mac> :p
506 2011-01-18 12:34:15 <andrew12^mac> ;;botsnack
507 2011-01-18 12:34:20 <lfm> http://pics.nase-bohren.de/caution_nothing.jpg
508 2011-01-18 12:35:05 <andrew12^mac> http://pics.nase-bohren.de/facebalm.gif
509 2011-01-18 12:35:08 <ApertureScience> it's a conspiracy that 2 of the op's are both dutch!
510 2011-01-18 12:35:21 <andrew12^mac> burn the earth
511 2011-01-18 12:36:03 <gribble> Forget the snack, just send me some bitcoins at 1MgD6rah5zUgEGYZnNmdpnXMaDR3itKYzU :)
512 2011-01-18 12:36:10 <andrew12^mac> =[
513 2011-01-18 12:36:46 <ApertureScience> /me looks at the nick noodles, now i'm hungry
514 2011-01-18 12:36:49 <ApertureScience> oops
515 2011-01-18 12:36:51 <ApertureScience> fail
516 2011-01-18 12:36:53 <ApertureScience> lol
517 2011-01-18 12:37:07 <ApertureScience> i hate when that happens
518 2011-01-18 12:37:50 <ApertureScience> make me a sandwich you bish
519 2011-01-18 12:38:21 <andrew12> poof you're a sandwich
520 2011-01-18 12:38:37 <ApertureScience> have i lied to you? i mean not in this room.
521 2011-01-18 12:38:57 <andrew12> sudo make me a sandwich
522 2011-01-18 12:39:15 <ApertureScience> no sudoing in da room
523 2011-01-18 12:40:19 <andrew12^mac> sudo ring a ring ding dong
524 2011-01-18 12:41:02 <andrew12^mac> bash -c bash -c bash -c bash -c bash
525 2011-01-18 12:41:11 <andrew12^mac> yo dawg i heard you like command lines
526 2011-01-18 12:41:41 <ApertureScience> apt-get-install stickupyourass
527 2011-01-18 12:42:28 <lfm> ddate
528 2011-01-18 12:42:41 <ApertureScience> run that in your terminal see if it works lol
529 2011-01-18 12:43:19 <Diablo-D3> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=runtc3Da0CE
530 2011-01-18 12:43:21 <Diablo-D3> fffffffffffffffffffffffff
531 2011-01-18 12:43:39 <andrew12^mac> lfm: i has ddate now
532 2011-01-18 12:43:59 <andrew12^mac> http://mxcl.github.com/homebrew/ ^_^
533 2011-01-18 12:44:01 <lfm> essential tool
534 2011-01-18 12:44:04 <andrew12^mac> brew install ddate
535 2011-01-18 12:44:08 <andrew12^mac> Today is Pungenday,the 18th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3177
536 2011-01-18 12:44:22 <luke-jr_> &no
537 2011-01-18 12:45:04 <luke-jr_> today is 7???? Debrian 6, feast of St. Peter's Chair at Rome, and first day of the Unity Octave
538 2011-01-18 12:45:25 <andrew12^mac> what's with you and unicode ellipses
539 2011-01-18 12:45:34 <andrew12^mac> or is that an elipsis
540 2011-01-18 12:45:35 <andrew12^mac> i dunno
541 2011-01-18 12:45:40 <Diablo-D3> its not
542 2011-01-18 12:45:43 <Diablo-D3> its a th I bet
543 2011-01-18 12:45:51 <luke-jr_> it is :
544 2011-01-18 12:45:57 <Diablo-D3> except his unicode is broke, because I have utf8 on
545 2011-01-18 12:46:02 <lfm> its chicken scratches
546 2011-01-18 12:46:19 <luke-jr_> Diablo-D3: that makes no sense
547 2011-01-18 12:46:40 <andrew12^mac> lol
548 2011-01-18 12:46:55 <andrew12^mac> IT'S ALL LIES
549 2011-01-18 12:47:11 <andrew12^mac> :(
550 2011-01-18 12:48:24 <luke-jr_> andrew12^mac: 9
551 2011-01-18 12:48:46 <andrew12> thats a box on here
552 2011-01-18 12:49:14 <ApertureScience> andrew12 are you a 4chan tard?
553 2011-01-18 12:49:18 <Xunie> andrew12, andrew12^mac, you must be a chanfan.
554 2011-01-18 12:49:19 <ApertureScience> lol
555 2011-01-18 12:49:31 <ApertureScience> Xunie stfu
556 2011-01-18 12:49:38 <Xunie> "dun dun", singing still alive, "yo dawg i heard you liek command lines"...
557 2011-01-18 12:50:39 <ApertureScience> mabbe BlackMesa
558 2011-01-18 12:50:41 <andrew12^mac> i don't ever go on 4chan anymore
559 2011-01-18 12:50:52 <andrew12^mac> reddit :)
560 2011-01-18 12:50:56 <ApertureScience> that was a joke haha fatchance
561 2011-01-18 12:51:21 <andrew12^mac> oh.
562 2011-01-18 12:52:03 <andrew12^mac> hey guys have you seen the new post successful screen?
563 2011-01-18 12:52:04 <andrew12^mac> :p
564 2011-01-18 12:52:25 <andrew12^mac> hi gribble!
565 2011-01-18 12:52:25 <luke-jr_> andrew12: you really need to upgrade your fonts
566 2011-01-18 12:52:33 <luke-jr_> andrew12: if you don't even have : and 9
567 2011-01-18 12:52:34 <andrew12^mac> luke-jr_: i need to upgrade my os
568 2011-01-18 12:52:46 <andrew12^mac> those appear on here, though i cant tell what they are
569 2011-01-18 12:52:48 <andrew12^mac> wb nanotube
570 2011-01-18 12:52:57 <andrew12^mac> oh they're smilies
571 2011-01-18 12:53:16 <andrew12^mac> had to zoom in a lot
572 2011-01-18 12:53:46 <andrew12^mac> i think it's funny that mIRC 7 had/has unicode support, yet XP doesn't have unicode fonts
573 2011-01-18 12:53:57 <andrew12^mac> or does it?!?
574 2011-01-18 12:54:07 <andrew12^mac> hi akem
575 2011-01-18 12:55:13 <theymos> XP has Unicode fonts. Sometimes you have to install additional character sets in "language tools", though.
576 2011-01-18 12:55:33 <andrew12^mac> too lazy
577 2011-01-18 12:55:35 <andrew12^mac> =P
578 2011-01-18 12:57:10 <andrew12^mac> U+FDD0 is actually Unicode for the eye of the basilisk, though for safety reasons no font actually renders it/
579 2011-01-18 12:58:34 <niekie> I'm making a note here, huge success!
580 2011-01-18 12:58:38 <andrew12^mac> :O
581 2011-01-18 12:59:46 <niekie> Hi andrew12^mac :)
582 2011-01-18 13:00:05 <andrew12^mac> hihi
583 2011-01-18 13:01:05 <niekie> Hm, just got a spam saying Instant Cash for Free!
584 2011-01-18 13:01:16 <niekie> I wonder when I get the first spam saying I'll get bitcoins for free.
585 2011-01-18 13:02:07 <andrew12^mac> i wonder what triggers the huge chains of transactions in a few seconds that are seen in #bitcoin-monitor
586 2011-01-18 13:04:47 <lfm> is it pools paying off
587 2011-01-18 13:08:45 <lfm> wb
588 2011-01-18 13:28:34 <andrew12> someone should write a program that works like a node and lists transactions/blocks like #bitcoin-monitor
589 2011-01-18 13:28:46 <andrew12> that way people don't have to watch all the noise in there :P
590 2011-01-18 13:32:09 <lfm> tail -f ~/.bitcoin/debug.log
591 2011-01-18 13:32:10 <andrew12> well that's one way of doing it
592 2011-01-18 13:33:25 <lfm> step 1 install linux, thats step 2
593 2011-01-18 13:33:39 <andrew12> i have linux installed
594 2011-01-18 13:33:47 <andrew12> i don't use it though :P
595 2011-01-18 13:34:08 <lfm> let that be a lesson to ya
596 2011-01-18 13:39:14 <andrew12> hmm
597 2011-01-18 13:39:35 <andrew12> any idea if jgarzik's miner will still output stuff if a hash is found and you do -q?
598 2011-01-18 13:43:18 <andrew12> g2g
599 2011-01-18 13:52:19 <hacim> Diablo-D3: i got your miner running on my podunk 8600GT, its doing 25Mhash/sec, which is the expected hash rate for this card, but its pretty much pegging my system
600 2011-01-18 13:53:13 <Diablo-D3> yeah, thats because nvidia cant code
601 2011-01-18 13:53:17 <Diablo-D3> try -f 1000
602 2011-01-18 13:54:09 <hacim> should I change vector width or worksize from the default?
603 2011-01-18 13:54:30 <Diablo-D3> mine doesnt have vector anymore
604 2011-01-18 13:54:39 <Diablo-D3> and Im not sure what an acceptable -w is for nvidia
605 2011-01-18 13:54:40 <Diablo-D3> try a few
606 2011-01-18 13:54:52 <hacim> what is -f?
607 2011-01-18 13:54:56 <Diablo-D3> fps
608 2011-01-18 13:54:58 <niekie> andrew12: you mean the flood of transactions that happen every hour?
609 2011-01-18 13:55:05 <andrew12_> Sure.
610 2011-01-18 13:55:08 <Diablo-D3> higher numbers means it runs more kernels per second, but smaller ones
611 2011-01-18 13:55:26 <niekie> Oh wow, I was still scrolled up.
612 2011-01-18 13:55:32 <niekie> But yeah, it's likely pool payouts.
613 2011-01-18 13:55:35 <hacim> -f 1000 doesn't seem to help
614 2011-01-18 13:56:29 <sipa> hacim: high -f will make your system more usable, at the expense of slightly lower hash speed
615 2011-01-18 13:57:05 <hacim> my Xorg process is taking 100% of the CPU
616 2011-01-18 14:03:15 <hacim> with -w 64 things are a bit more responsive, although less hash rate
617 2011-01-18 14:13:04 <Kiba> hey folks
618 2011-01-18 14:14:12 <lfm> what
619 2011-01-18 14:15:18 <Kiba> just a greeting
620 2011-01-18 14:15:24 <Kiba> I just woke up and wash my teeth
621 2011-01-18 14:15:30 <Kiba> now I am simply working my art
622 2011-01-18 14:15:58 <lfm> oh hi
623 2011-01-18 14:18:21 <MasterChief> who is the guy who bought a run of fpgas to run bitcoin
624 2011-01-18 14:18:25 <MasterChief> show me he
625 2011-01-18 14:19:04 <sipa> not fpga's
626 2011-01-18 14:19:16 <hacim> -w 256 doesn't seem to change much
627 2011-01-18 14:19:38 <lfm> artforz ordered some asics, not sure if he got em yet
628 2011-01-18 14:19:39 <MasterChief> asic then
629 2011-01-18 14:20:04 <sipa> structured asics, real asics are a few orders of magnitude more pricey
630 2011-01-18 14:20:09 <MasterChief> you can get asics to do SHA256?
631 2011-01-18 14:20:20 <sipa> he designed them to
632 2011-01-18 14:20:24 <lfm> custom
633 2011-01-18 14:20:44 <lfm> but ya sha256 is a standard cell
634 2011-01-18 14:20:56 <sipa> but it's not standard sha256
635 2011-01-18 14:21:15 <sipa> some of the input is fixed, allowing optimizations
636 2011-01-18 14:21:43 <MasterChief> madness
637 2011-01-18 14:21:47 <lfm> ya optimized cuz only the nonce word changes
638 2011-01-18 14:22:18 <MasterChief> so when they turn up and he turns them on, theres gonna be dumpsters full of radeons amirite
639 2011-01-18 14:22:32 <lfm> nope
640 2011-01-18 14:22:50 <sipa> not at all
641 2011-01-18 14:23:02 <lfm> not all that much faster, mainly just power save
642 2011-01-18 14:23:06 <sipa> if he starts selling his asics, yes
643 2011-01-18 14:23:08 <hacim> Diablo-D3: what are the increments that I can mess with for -f?
644 2011-01-18 14:23:26 <lfm> hacim mostly multiples of 64
645 2011-01-18 14:23:30 <sipa> for -f?
646 2011-01-18 14:23:37 <sipa> something between 1 and 1000
647 2011-01-18 14:23:43 <lfm> oh I was thinking -w
648 2011-01-18 14:23:52 <sipa> 1 being very unresponsive system, 1000 very responsive one
649 2011-01-18 14:24:24 <hacim> i dont mind somewhat unresponsive, as I'm not using the machine
650 2011-01-18 14:24:36 <sipa> then use -f 1
651 2011-01-18 14:26:24 <MasterChief> how much better are these asics
652 2011-01-18 14:26:59 <MasterChief> per watt
653 2011-01-18 14:27:09 <lfm> they are great if you got $20000
654 2011-01-18 14:27:31 <sipa> i believe they do 200MH/s at 12W
655 2011-01-18 14:27:34 <Diablo-D3> hacim: it should be a multiple of 60
656 2011-01-18 14:27:42 <Diablo-D3> [10:23:37] <sipa> something between 1 and 1000
657 2011-01-18 14:27:44 <Diablo-D3> its a float.
658 2011-01-18 14:28:39 <hacim> Diablo-D3: ok, and what does fiddling with -w do?
659 2011-01-18 14:28:48 <Diablo-D3> changes work size
660 2011-01-18 14:28:51 <sipa> Diablo-D3: it's frames per second, right?
661 2011-01-18 14:28:54 <Diablo-D3> it should be a power of 2
662 2011-01-18 14:28:56 <Diablo-D3> sipa: yes
663 2011-01-18 14:29:06 <Diablo-D3> hacim: fiddle with it until you get maximum speed
664 2011-01-18 14:29:06 <hacim> haha, -f 600 crashed my X
665 2011-01-18 14:29:15 <Diablo-D3> hacim: the default is hw max
666 2011-01-18 14:29:27 <MasterChief> 200mh for 12w
667 2011-01-18 14:29:34 <MasterChief> vs 500 for 300w
668 2011-01-18 14:29:35 <MasterChief> fuck
669 2011-01-18 14:29:44 <sipa> Diablo-D3: i meant to say that over 1000 or below 1 isn't very meaningful
670 2011-01-18 14:29:54 <Diablo-D3> sipa: below 1 IS meaningful
671 2011-01-18 14:30:00 <Diablo-D3> it means take more than one second per frame.
672 2011-01-18 14:30:07 <sipa> yes, of course
673 2011-01-18 14:30:11 <Diablo-D3> your system will just epically shit itself
674 2011-01-18 14:30:20 <sipa> but i hardly notice difference in speed between -f 1 and -f 5
675 2011-01-18 14:30:26 <hacim> mine is currently shitting itself
676 2011-01-18 14:30:42 <Diablo-D3> sipa: neither does anyone else on radeons
677 2011-01-18 14:30:49 <Diablo-D3> hacim: its because nvidia sucks dick.
678 2011-01-18 14:30:54 <Diablo-D3> hacim: try using 260.x drivers
679 2011-01-18 14:30:56 <sipa> ok, so that was what i tried to say :)
680 2011-01-18 14:36:14 <hacim> Diablo-D3: i'm using 260.19.29
681 2011-01-18 14:36:25 <Diablo-D3> hacim: welp, go file a bug report with nvidia
682 2011-01-18 14:36:28 <Diablo-D3> or go buy a radeon
683 2011-01-18 14:37:16 <hacim> Diablo-D3: yeah, radeon is in the mail... wonder if I can run it at the same time
684 2011-01-18 14:37:49 <Diablo-D3> "yes", but no
685 2011-01-18 14:37:58 <Diablo-D3> you cant install fglrx and nvidia at the same time
686 2011-01-18 14:38:24 <Diablo-D3> but my miner DOES support multiple ICD impls concurrently
687 2011-01-18 14:38:25 <hacim> "interesting", but lame
688 2011-01-18 14:38:38 <hacim> nvidia can shove it :)
689 2011-01-18 14:38:44 <sipa> hmm, it's not possible to run two X servers, one using fglrx and the other using nvidia?
690 2011-01-18 14:38:50 <Diablo-D3> sipa: file conflict.
691 2011-01-18 14:39:00 <Diablo-D3> you'd have to install a private X installation in a chroot somewhere
692 2011-01-18 14:39:00 <sipa> which file?
693 2011-01-18 14:39:05 <Diablo-D3> half of them
694 2011-01-18 14:39:05 <sipa> hmm ok
695 2011-01-18 14:39:12 <Diablo-D3> both fglrx and nvidia overwrite shit like libGL
696 2011-01-18 14:39:15 <sipa> right
697 2011-01-18 14:39:44 <Diablo-D3> now, if ati's and nvidia's opencl impls didnt require nvidia drivers installed nor X even running, this wouldnt be an issue
698 2011-01-18 14:39:54 <Diablo-D3> just use whichever opencl lib runs both icds
699 2011-01-18 16:44:22 <andrew12^school> i can't run the rpc miner here :(
700 2011-01-18 16:44:58 <andrew12^school> though I did figure out that I can get a command prompt if I put command.com in a bat file :p
701 2011-01-18 16:49:56 <andrew12^school> and now lunch is over
702 2011-01-18 16:49:57 <andrew12^school> weee
703 2011-01-18 17:18:41 <newsham> 0btc to watch http://www.sponsorme.com/Live
704 2011-01-18 17:33:35 <gigitrix> nebody here interested in a bitcoin ad network i'm building?
705 2011-01-18 17:33:55 <gigitrix> i'm wanting to get a list of beta testers
706 2011-01-18 17:34:20 <gigitrix> just a list of emails I can spam when the site is ready for private testing, that's the only commitment I need :)
707 2011-01-18 17:38:11 <newsham> i can sign up to get ads?!@
708 2011-01-18 17:38:13 <newsham> awesome!
709 2011-01-18 17:38:23 <newsham> can i beta test the "not getting ads" part?
710 2011-01-18 17:39:53 <gigitrix> hahah sorry dude
711 2011-01-18 17:40:00 <gigitrix> adblock can do that though :)
712 2011-01-18 17:40:19 <gigitrix> no mine is for siteowners to start getting paid in bitcoin for their sites
713 2011-01-18 17:40:55 <gigitrix> stops them from having to reach minimum payouts and the like because bitcoin is so divisible :)
714 2011-01-18 17:41:48 <gigitrix> the notification is just "when the site is ready, we will email you". I'll only do it once. Spam was a poor choice of words tbh
715 2011-01-18 17:42:10 <gigitrix> i was joking there but i realise now it sounds wrong!
716 2011-01-18 17:42:26 <andrew12_> :)
717 2011-01-18 17:42:29 <newsham> gigi: only divisible to 0.01 with current participants, no?
718 2011-01-18 17:45:30 <newsham> (dont the existing clients reject transactions with smaller sizes than that?)
719 2011-01-18 17:45:46 <ArtForz> ... not really
720 2011-01-18 17:46:22 <andrew12_> They have fees ;)
721 2011-01-18 17:46:55 <ArtForz> well, it's a bit more complicated
722 2011-01-18 17:47:01 <newsham> please explain :)
723 2011-01-18 17:47:08 <ArtForz> any transaction with a <0.01 output incurs a 0.01 fee
724 2011-01-18 17:47:21 <andrew12_> ;;wk txfee
725 2011-01-18 17:47:22 <gribble> Google found nothing.
726 2011-01-18 17:47:23 <ArtForz> but where does it say that a transaction can only have 1 or 2 outputs?
727 2011-01-18 17:47:25 <andrew12_> Hmm
728 2011-01-18 17:47:48 <andrew12_> http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_fee
729 2011-01-18 17:47:52 <andrew12_> I think that's it
730 2011-01-18 17:47:53 <ArtForz> = you can send 0.00x to a few 100 recipients in a single TX and pay 0.01 fee for that
731 2011-01-18 17:48:13 <newsham> ok,so you can have a TX where you pay many people <0.01, as long as the total output is >=0.01?
732 2011-01-18 17:48:23 <ArtForz> .. no
733 2011-01-18 17:48:41 <ArtForz> any transaction where at lest one output is <0.01 incurs the 0.01 fee
734 2011-01-18 17:48:57 <ArtForz> doesnt matter if it's one output of 0.00x, 2 or 100
735 2011-01-18 17:49:35 <nanotube> andrew12_: you were looking for 'bc,wiki transaction fee' :)
736 2011-01-18 17:49:37 <ArtForz> so you could do 0.02 -> 0.01 fee + 100 * 0.0001
737 2011-01-18 17:49:47 <andrew12_> Ah
738 2011-01-18 17:50:00 <andrew12_> ,,txfee
739 2011-01-18 17:50:01 <gribble> I do not know about 'txfee', but I do know about these similar topics: 'trade'
740 2011-01-18 17:50:09 <andrew12_> I thought there was a shortcut
741 2011-01-18 17:50:10 <newsham> so that doesnt really help gigitrix if he wants to give people sub 0.01 payments for ad clicks..
742 2011-01-18 17:50:28 <ArtForz> well.. it does if he waits for a decent # of small payouts to accumulate
743 2011-01-18 17:50:38 <andrew12_> He'll have to wait till its over 0.01 ;)
744 2011-01-18 17:50:41 <newsham> right but he can do that without btc :)
745 2011-01-18 17:50:43 <ArtForz> errr. no
746 2011-01-18 17:50:55 <ArtForz> so he pays a 0.01 fee to send sub-cent payouts to a few dozen-100 accounts
747 2011-01-18 17:51:05 <newsham> [08:35] < gigitrix> stops them from having to reach minimum payouts and the like because bitcoin is so divisible :)
748 2011-01-18 17:51:54 <ArtForz> of course the rules change when you (successfully) mine for blocks yourself
749 2011-01-18 17:53:22 <ArtForz> as then fee rules don't apply at all
750 2011-01-18 17:54:18 <andrew12_> I should tether my phone to my mac and do some mining :p
751 2011-01-18 17:54:42 <ArtForz> hmmm... wonder if you could make a deal with a pool to include your transactions for some kind of reward
752 2011-01-18 17:55:01 <nanotube> as long as the reward is > txfee... doesn't make sense. :)
753 2011-01-18 17:55:12 <newsham> 100btc per month to cover all TX from me.
754 2011-01-18 17:55:13 <newsham> etc..
755 2011-01-18 17:55:24 <gigitrix> sorry guys i'm back
756 2011-01-18 17:55:25 <ArtForz> well, what if the reward is not directly monetary?
757 2011-01-18 17:55:25 <nanotube> and as long as the reward < txfee... doesn't make sense for pool, since it's so tiny.
758 2011-01-18 17:55:31 <gigitrix> missed this response
759 2011-01-18 17:55:48 <newsham> nanotube: it might make sense to just pay a lump sum instead of per tx
760 2011-01-18 17:55:55 <ArtForz> yep
761 2011-01-18 17:55:59 <newsham> especially if you are making many small TXs
762 2011-01-18 17:56:09 <nanotube> mm i guess it's a possibility.
763 2011-01-18 17:56:13 <newsham> and with people like artforz around, is completely practical :)
764 2011-01-18 17:56:33 <gigitrix> well looking at these responses, I really meant avoiding the "Minimum payment: $100" scenario
765 2011-01-18 17:56:33 <nanotube> but how can pool differentiate between your tx, and others' tx? once pool opens up to allowing no-fee tx, everyone rushes in.
766 2011-01-18 17:56:45 <ArtForz> minimum payment is 0.01 btc
767 2011-01-18 17:56:51 <newsham> or a big miner could just allow micropayments as long as it included a 2% TX fee of the micropayment (which woudl be micro micro)
768 2011-01-18 17:56:55 <gigitrix> but as bitcoins become more valuable then yes, might be a problem.
769 2011-01-18 17:57:03 <ArtForz> which is... about $0.0035 at current exchange rates
770 2011-01-18 17:57:20 <newsham> nano: you could submit your TXs directly to yoru TX clearer.
771 2011-01-18 17:57:22 <newsham> rather than the p2p net
772 2011-01-18 17:57:32 <ArtForz> I hope if btc ever hits >$1 we'll enable another decimal for free
773 2011-01-18 17:57:32 <newsham> having a p2p net doesnt exclude having direct relationships
774 2011-01-18 17:57:43 <newsham> preclude
775 2011-01-18 17:57:54 <ArtForz> yep
776 2011-01-18 17:57:58 <gigitrix> My site would probably start at a minimum ad spend of 0.1btc/click (0.04c as of recent). But the site owner could withdraw these at any time
777 2011-01-18 17:58:08 <ArtForz> see the people with "stuck" fee-less microtransactions
778 2011-01-18 17:58:19 <newsham> $0.04, not 0.04c.
779 2011-01-18 17:58:24 <newsham> see also verizon
780 2011-01-18 17:58:34 <gigitrix> if they get "stuck in the pipe" because of lack of transaction fee, then the onus is on the siteowner to decide
781 2011-01-18 17:58:42 <gigitrix> ah yes thx newsham
782 2011-01-18 17:58:44 <newsham> http://verizonmath.blogspot.com/
783 2011-01-18 17:58:48 <gigitrix> still really low
784 2011-01-18 17:58:57 <ArtForz> was easy enough to fix, I temporarily set my miner to accept any TX without fees and they -addnoded my miner directly so it would get those transactions
785 2011-01-18 17:59:35 <gigitrix> well "if user wants to withdraw they decide the tx fee to remove from their payout" is fine with me
786 2011-01-18 17:59:36 <newsham> you could go to 0.01btc = $0.004
787 2011-01-18 17:59:51 <ArtForz> later changed back to requiring fees for tx not sent by me
788 2011-01-18 18:00:04 <ArtForz> to avoid being "the miner that got all those spam tx into the chain"
789 2011-01-18 18:00:19 <newsham> :)
790 2011-01-18 18:00:28 <gigitrix> yeah that would be fine also but want siteowners to earn a fine amount: 4c a click is a very low baserate imho
791 2011-01-18 18:00:35 <newsham> artforz is not makign proper use of his monopoly power :)
792 2011-01-18 18:00:40 <ArtForz> what moponoly?
793 2011-01-18 18:00:45 <newsham> artforz: monopoly power doesnt mean you have an exclusive monopoly
794 2011-01-18 18:01:02 <ArtForz> slushes pool is nearly the same speed as me
795 2011-01-18 18:01:05 <gigitrix> oligarchy via cpu power
796 2011-01-18 18:01:09 <nanotube> ;;bc,poolstats
797 2011-01-18 18:01:13 <gigitrix> I like it
798 2011-01-18 18:01:14 <gribble> {"round_probability": 42.280000000000001, "hashes_ps": 14929982466, "shares": 10133, "active_workers": 337, "round_duration": "0:48:35", "round_started": "2011-01-18 18:12:34", "getwork_ps": 107}
799 2011-01-18 18:01:23 <ArtForz> and he alone decides what txes go into the block the pool miners work on
800 2011-01-18 18:01:28 <newsham> artforz: he also has some amount of monopoly power
801 2011-01-18 18:01:35 <ArtForz> so... a duopoly?
802 2011-01-18 18:01:41 <newsham> sure.  sounds about right
803 2011-01-18 18:01:55 <ArtForz> theres also a few other single miners with >5Gh/s
804 2011-01-18 18:01:58 <gigitrix> well hey, the slush pool has a decent proportion as well
805 2011-01-18 18:02:02 <ArtForz> so... a oligopoly?
806 2011-01-18 18:02:08 <nanotube> yea except there are also a bunch of people with 2-4 ghps, and even more people with single 5970s running.
807 2011-01-18 18:02:10 <newsham> someone should make periodic charts of top miners as a fraction of the whole
808 2011-01-18 18:02:12 <gigitrix> yeah i think that's right at the moment
809 2011-01-18 18:02:18 <newsham> Amerikas Top Miner
810 2011-01-18 18:02:24 <gigitrix> oligopoly
811 2011-01-18 18:02:24 <newsham> could be a reality show (ok, now being silly)
812 2011-01-18 18:02:52 <nanotube> newsham: except we all know that ArtForz will win... so not much drama. :)
813 2011-01-18 18:03:06 <gigitrix> "tune in after the break where we show the output from this custom CUDA miner. The results, I'm sure you'll agree, are astounding"
814 2011-01-18 18:03:09 <nanotube> a reality show needs trama.
815 2011-01-18 18:03:27 <newsham> nano: still i want to see the breakdown chart :)
816 2011-01-18 18:03:30 <ArtForz> theres plenty drama
817 2011-01-18 18:03:46 <nanotube> what's that? one of my gpu cores is overheating! zomg, what happened? can it be a broken down fan? sabotage by competition? cosmic rays?
818 2011-01-18 18:03:56 <ArtForz> "will his newest 5970 hit 900MHz? find out after the break"
819 2011-01-18 18:03:56 <newsham> cuda woulda shoulda..  serious asic kicking
820 2011-01-18 18:03:59 <andrew12_> I wanna try writing a miner later :P
821 2011-01-18 18:04:20 <andrew12_> Could probably do it now
822 2011-01-18 18:04:21 <nanotube> newsham: well, besides self-revelation, there's no way to get stats. so it's not like one can inspect the network to see who has how much power.
823 2011-01-18 18:04:25 <gigitrix> hah, you can imagine the server farm reaching critical, with components melting everywhere
824 2011-01-18 18:04:30 <ArtForz> "there goes another $180 PSU"
825 2011-01-18 18:04:42 <newsham> nano: right, but it seems all the big people know what all the other big people are up to
826 2011-01-18 18:04:48 <gigitrix> sabotaged by a rival miner, the cooling systems hacked
827 2011-01-18 18:04:52 <ArtForz> hehehe
828 2011-01-18 18:04:54 <newsham> and the total amount of cpu power is public knowledge
829 2011-01-18 18:05:00 <gigitrix> the facility has alarms beeping everywhere
830 2011-01-18 18:05:03 <andrew12_> Brb, tethering my droid to my mac
831 2011-01-18 18:05:06 <newsham> gigi: stuxnet slowed down his fans?
832 2011-01-18 18:05:10 <gigitrix> exactly
833 2011-01-18 18:05:14 <ArtForz> don't forget botnet wannabe miners DDoSing the pools
834 2011-01-18 18:05:21 <gigitrix> lol
835 2011-01-18 18:05:34 <gigitrix> with javascript miners :D
836 2011-01-18 18:05:39 <nanotube> ArtForz: hehe. well i bet they'll set up their own pool on an anon vps, now that slush blocked them.
837 2011-01-18 18:05:49 <ArtForz> iirc slush kicked a ~1knode botnet off his pool
838 2011-01-18 18:06:02 <nanotube> yep
839 2011-01-18 18:06:04 <gigitrix> yeah i read
840 2011-01-18 18:06:05 <nanotube> that he did
841 2011-01-18 18:06:22 <ArtForz> I think it also had a REALLY crappy hashrate per miner
842 2011-01-18 18:06:27 <gigitrix> seems like custom pool would be a better option for them
843 2011-01-18 18:06:33 <ArtForz> something like 500khps
844 2011-01-18 18:06:41 <gigitrix> not sure if i like that though
845 2011-01-18 18:06:41 <nanotube> yep
846 2011-01-18 18:06:44 <nanotube> that's what he said.
847 2011-01-18 18:06:57 <ArtForz> well, probably not using 100% CPU
848 2011-01-18 18:07:14 <gigitrix> 500khashes, that's like my laptop lol
849 2011-01-18 18:07:16 <nanotube> gigitrix: well, it added .2ghps to the network... anything that helps the network add hash power is good for it. :)
850 2011-01-18 18:07:22 <ArtForz> yep
851 2011-01-18 18:07:24 <gigitrix> I stopped that in a hurry
852 2011-01-18 18:07:24 <newsham> artforz: *shrug* if it scales.. i mean look at the hadoop piece of crap.  each node is really inefficient, but they throw enoughof em together and get an OK performance out of em
853 2011-01-18 18:07:33 <gigitrix> yeah i guess
854 2011-01-18 18:07:42 <ArtForz> as long as it's not a single botnet it's fine I guess
855 2011-01-18 18:07:43 <nanotube> ArtForz: probably. that's what i'd do if i was running a botnet. don't want my bots to notice and drop out.
856 2011-01-18 18:07:54 <gigitrix> just have to figure out the "push" like slush is rather than the 5second pull of getwork
857 2011-01-18 18:08:05 <ArtForz> but then you need a metric crapload of nodes to make a dent
858 2011-01-18 18:08:23 <nanotube> right, but as long as they're 'free' for the operator... who cares how many you need. :)
859 2011-01-18 18:08:24 <newsham> you could just use a metric half-crapload of nodes and get free money
860 2011-01-18 18:08:31 <ArtForz> 1000 zombies slower than a single 5970
861 2011-01-18 18:08:31 <gigitrix> yeah
862 2011-01-18 18:08:36 <newsham> the profit margins are higher when you dont pay for cpu, heat or electricity
863 2011-01-18 18:08:40 <ArtForz> yep
864 2011-01-18 18:08:42 <nanotube> indeed.
865 2011-01-18 18:08:58 <ArtForz> but zombies aren't completely free either
866 2011-01-18 18:09:01 <andrew12^mac> quick! someone make a pool that mines for only you, but don't tell anyone that!
867 2011-01-18 18:09:04 <andrew12^mac> :P
868 2011-01-18 18:09:28 <newsham> sure, the cost is the risk of it causing you headaches, the development cost and the opportunity cost of not using it for other things like selling viagra
869 2011-01-18 18:09:36 <gigitrix> yeah
870 2011-01-18 18:09:37 <ArtForz> yep
871 2011-01-18 18:09:50 <gigitrix> i imagine they could make more through other means
872 2011-01-18 18:10:19 <gigitrix> particularly as from their perspective they have to go through the hassle of converting BTC->national currency
873 2011-01-18 18:10:27 <newsham> yah, well, rational behavior in the market is a myth :)
874 2011-01-18 18:10:36 <gigitrix> yeah
875 2011-01-18 18:10:38 <ArtForz> well, thats the same for other miners too, until you can pay your utility company in BTC ...
876 2011-01-18 18:11:04 <gigitrix> yeah true, but I mean in terms of a general bot herder
877 2011-01-18 18:11:09 <ArtForz> yep
878 2011-01-18 18:11:11 <gigitrix> not one who "likes" bitcoin
879 2011-01-18 18:11:18 <ArtForz> well, they seem to like webmoney ;)
880 2011-01-18 18:11:21 <newsham> take me for example.  i mined for a while to get some BTC even though it is worth less than electricity
881 2011-01-18 18:11:33 <newsham> but it was fun for kicks and easiest way to get some small amount of btc
882 2011-01-18 18:11:49 <newsham> i can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent! :)
883 2011-01-18 18:11:53 <gigitrix> everybody must have done that, it's how I got my 0.03btc :D
884 2011-01-18 18:11:58 <gigitrix> took a week
885 2011-01-18 18:12:24 <gigitrix> then i put it on my mate's 2xgpu miners and he got 80,000kh/s :/
886 2011-01-18 18:12:42 <ArtForz> thats not really much
887 2011-01-18 18:12:48 <gigitrix> has 0.3 before i'd finished setting it up for him
888 2011-01-18 18:12:58 <ArtForz> my slowest card is ~200Mh/s
889 2011-01-18 18:12:59 <gigitrix> in comparison it is, i was getting 800
890 2011-01-18 18:13:11 <ArtForz> a 5770
891 2011-01-18 18:13:19 <gigitrix> yeah but it's more of a "run this while you play Starcraft" scenario
892 2011-01-18 18:13:24 <ArtForz> which is like $120
893 2011-01-18 18:13:27 <andrew12^mac> is there some sort of documentation somewhere of how to generate a block or do i just have to read current code?