1 2011-01-20 00:00:21 <ArtForz> and theres still the good old "generate valid timestamps, just fork whenever soemone else finds a block" method
  2 2011-01-20 00:00:52 <ArtForz> akas "yay, guaranteed 7200 btc/day, and I can block any TX I don't like"
  3 2011-01-20 00:01:14 <nanotube> right
  4 2011-01-20 00:01:28 <nanotube> the only solution is to have more hash power on the net. :)
  5 2011-01-20 00:01:46 <gavinandresen> that'd be a much stealthier way of subverting trust -- randomly throw away transactions.
  6 2011-01-20 00:02:45 <ArtForz> "add a 10% fee or your transaction will stay at 0/unconfirmed forever"
  7 2011-01-20 00:02:56 <gavinandresen> But we could detect that, too-- look for constant block chain splits, where some set of valid transactions was constantly excluded from the 'new good' chain
  8 2011-01-20 00:03:28 <molecular> gavinandresen, don't judge a book by it's cover
  9 2011-01-20 00:03:33 <ArtForz> well, similar splits can happen in a legit fashion
 10 2011-01-20 00:03:34 <gavinandresen> molecular: huh?
 11 2011-01-20 00:03:50 <gavinandresen> the splits aren't the problem, the excluding transactions is.
 12 2011-01-20 00:03:57 <molecular> "detecting behavioural pattern" should defend xzy-attac
 13 2011-01-20 00:04:33 <ArtForz> yeah, just wondering if something like that could happen legitimately
 14 2011-01-20 00:04:43 <gavinandresen> Actually, I suspect miners that don't include ANY transactions in their generated blocks will become a problem sooner rather than later....
 15 2011-01-20 00:05:04 <theymos> That'll eventually become unprofitable when subsidies are reduced.
 16 2011-01-20 00:05:09 <gavinandresen> ArtForz:  a false positive just means your mined block is rejected.  That's not a big deal.
 17 2011-01-20 00:05:17 <molecular> ArtForz, you're last affirmation: "add a 10% fee or your transaction will stay at 0/unconfirmed forever", however indirect, implies that transaction fees are fail?
 18 2011-01-20 00:05:25 <ArtForz> *puts 50btc->self tx in every block* what empty blocks?
 19 2011-01-20 00:05:40 <andrew12^mac> hehe
 20 2011-01-20 00:06:08 <ArtForz> hrrrm
 21 2011-01-20 00:06:11 <ArtForz> true
 22 2011-01-20 00:06:39 <ArtForz> rules like that might be a problem if we have miners with silighly different interpretations of what a valid TX is though
 23 2011-01-20 00:06:48 <gavinandresen> Hmm...   getting back to statistics... when transaction volume picks up blocks with too-many-standard-deviations-away-from-average-number-of-txn-in-block could be rejected....
 24 2011-01-20 00:07:02 <gavinandresen> That'd actually work as a throttle on how fast you could generate, too....
 25 2011-01-20 00:07:24 <gavinandresen> (ok, ok, you could generate as many sends-to-self as you want)
 26 2011-01-20 00:07:46 <andrew12^mac> someone do a tx so i can see if this works :p
 27 2011-01-20 00:08:22 <andrew12^mac> there's one
 28 2011-01-20 00:08:41 <andrew12^mac> cool. :]
 29 2011-01-20 00:08:53 <ArtForz> yep
 30 2011-01-20 00:09:18 <ArtForz> I could see a problem with detecting "excessive chain forks" in a split-chain scenario
 31 2011-01-20 00:09:39 <ArtForz> = something like the 0.3.8 -> 0.3.10 chain forking
 32 2011-01-20 00:09:46 <andrew12^mac> gavinandresen: put an empty __init__.py in bitcointools so "import bitcointools.transaction works :p
 33 2011-01-20 00:09:51 <andrew12^mac> er..
 34 2011-01-20 00:09:55 <andrew12^mac> "import bitcointools.transaction"
 35 2011-01-20 00:10:12 <andrew12^mac> et al.
 36 2011-01-20 00:10:36 <ArtForz> random example: lets say someone actually *does* implement something like bitDNS on the main chain, with 10BTC/tx fees
 37 2011-01-20 00:10:58 <andrew12^mac> bitDNS?
 38 2011-01-20 00:11:32 <ArtForz> purists decide that having "extra data" in the chain is heresy, fork bitcoin to declare !isStadnard() TX after block X invalid
 39 2011-01-20 00:12:10 <ArtForz> aka "whoops"
 40 2011-01-20 00:13:22 <gavinandresen> yeah... there will be two block chains... transactions will get added to both of them, and depending on which client you have you'll think one or the other is valid....
 41 2011-01-20 00:13:28 <ArtForz> yep
 42 2011-01-20 00:14:11 <ArtForz> normal transactions not depending on newly mined coins will end up in both chains, bitDNS/whatever and TX (partially)from newly mined blocks only in one chain
 43 2011-01-20 00:14:30 <gavinandresen> yup
 44 2011-01-20 00:16:04 <ArtForz> you'd also have miners split over both chains very quickly
 45 2011-01-20 00:16:35 <ArtForz> because each of the now-split chains now produces 50btc/block only valid on that chain
 46 2011-01-20 00:17:08 <gavinandresen> yup.  If the situation didn't resolve itself, old coins would become more valuable (because they could be spent on either chain)...  maybe there'd be a client that kept two balances for you for both chains....
 47 2011-01-20 00:17:56 <ArtForz> yep
 48 2011-01-20 00:18:22 <gavinandresen> But I don't really see that happening-- one or the other would have a majority, and whichever one the big exchanges/merchants/etc decided was "it" would be "it"
 49 2011-01-20 00:18:30 <molecular> did any of you ever put a knot in your headphone-cables to make it shorter?
 50 2011-01-20 00:18:38 <Kiba> phew
 51 2011-01-20 00:18:41 <ArtForz> hmmm... yeah
 52 2011-01-20 00:18:56 <Diablo-D3> molecular: no
 53 2011-01-20 00:19:02 <Diablo-D3> then again I have a springy cord on mine
 54 2011-01-20 00:19:18 <Kiba> gavinandresen: earning any bitcoin so far from clearcoin?
 55 2011-01-20 00:19:58 <molecular> oh shit, I'm offtopic, sorry
 56 2011-01-20 00:20:01 <gavinandresen> Kiba: a few-- not many, yet.  The bitcoin economy is still tiny.
 57 2011-01-20 00:20:34 <Kiba> finding work is hard...
 58 2011-01-20 00:20:43 <molecular> tiny enough for someone to adjust the exchange-rate from 0.4 to 0.3 within a coupl'o'hours?
 59 2011-01-20 00:20:50 <Kiba> already finished a freelance job
 60 2011-01-20 00:20:58 <Kiba> and working on finishing off noagendamarket's
 61 2011-01-20 00:21:14 <Kiba> but I got no upcoming projects
 62 2011-01-20 00:21:50 <ArtForz> btw, who complained that there are no decent EUR or LREUR asks on BC?
 63 2011-01-20 00:22:19 <molecular> i didnt
 64 2011-01-20 00:22:26 <molecular> afaik
 65 2011-01-20 00:23:20 <Kiba> who's using the new advertising clearing house that biomike created?
 66 2011-01-20 00:28:38 <andrew12^mac> hmm, anyone here have an open testnet node that I can connect to? trying to see if this script works with testnet
 67 2011-01-20 00:29:02 <tcatm> andrew12^mac: 85.116.192.135
 68 2011-01-20 00:29:11 <andrew12^mac> ty
 69 2011-01-20 00:29:38 <andrew12^mac> heh, of course it didn't work
 70 2011-01-20 00:29:49 <andrew12^mac> (the node worked :p)
 71 2011-01-20 00:30:08 <tcatm> You tried to use bitcoin.py to connect to testnet?
 72 2011-01-20 00:30:18 <andrew12^mac> yes.
 73 2011-01-20 00:30:26 <andrew12^mac> if self.recvbuf[:4] != "xf9xbexb4xd9": - ding
 74 2011-01-20 00:30:34 <ArtForz> yep
 75 2011-01-20 00:31:04 <gavinandresen> Any fool KNOWS testnet is fabfb5da!!
 76 2011-01-20 00:31:27 <andrew12^mac> :p
 77 2011-01-20 00:31:27 <ArtForz> hehehe
 78 2011-01-20 00:31:29 <andrew12^mac> I do now
 79 2011-01-20 00:31:36 <andrew12^mac> error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel <__main__.NodeConn connected at 0x5e02d8> (<type 'exceptions.ValueError'>:got garbage 'xfaxbfxb5xdaversionx00x00x00x00x00Ux00x00x00x9e|x00x00x01x00x00x00x00x00x00x00xdbx8f7Mx00x00x00x00x01x00x00x00x00x00x00x00x00x00x00x00x00x00x00x00x00x00xffxffGxa6x85x92xe5xa8x01x00x00x00x00x00x00x00x00x00x00x00x00x00x00x00x00x00xff\n182213
 80 2011-01-20 00:31:48 <andrew12^mac> ^_^
 81 2011-01-20 00:32:26 <andrew12^mac> now it should work
 82 2011-01-20 00:32:58 <andrew12^mac> er, test coins.
 83 2011-01-20 00:32:59 <andrew12^mac> :p
 84 2011-01-20 00:33:57 <andrew12^mac> oh
 85 2011-01-20 00:34:24 <andrew12^mac> apparently i've gotta modify more than just this line. heh
 86 2011-01-20 00:36:23 <gigitrix> right guys, see you later. I hope to have something to show advert wise within the week,but exam revision takes precedence :)
 87 2011-01-20 00:36:48 <andrew12^mac> cya
 88 2011-01-20 00:38:11 <andrew12^mac> self.net = TESTNET if testnet == True else MAINNET -- that works, right? :p
 89 2011-01-20 00:38:33 <andrew12^mac> adding testnet as an argument to __init__
 90 2011-01-20 00:39:17 <andrew12^mac> TESTNET, MAINNET = 'xfaxbfxb5xda', 'xf9xbexb4xd9' btw.
 91 2011-01-20 00:41:46 <tcatm> andrew12^mac: auto-detect network type ;)
 92 2011-01-20 00:42:03 <andrew12^mac> too much effort required .-.
 93 2011-01-20 00:42:04 <andrew12^mac> :p
 94 2011-01-20 00:43:30 <tcatm> if port == 18333: testnet else mainnet
 95 2011-01-20 00:43:58 <andrew12^mac> well you can't get the port from CAddress easily
 96 2011-01-20 00:44:08 <andrew12^mac> unless i just have it set a global
 97 2011-01-20 00:45:00 <tcatm> def __init__(..): self.testnet = port == 18333
 98 2011-01-20 00:53:59 <andrew12^mac> 0x8BADF00D
 99 2011-01-20 00:59:05 <andrew12^mac> hmm
100 2011-01-20 00:59:08 <andrew12^mac> error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel <__main__.NodeConn connected at 0x5e1328> (<type 'exceptions.ValueError'>:got garbage 'xb8xd2:w' [/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/asyncore.py|read|76] [/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/asyncore.py|handle_read_event|416] [bitcoin.py|handle_read|533] [bitcoin.py|got_data|550])
101 2011-01-20 01:00:07 <andrew12^mac> hmm
102 2011-01-20 01:00:10 <andrew12^mac> this time it got 'x08xcbxe8x14'
103 2011-01-20 01:01:01 <ArtForz> = you messed up
104 2011-01-20 01:01:31 <andrew12^mac> .-.
105 2011-01-20 01:03:46 <noagendamarket> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2884.new#new   I just submitted this to the forum. I hope everyone likes the idea.
106 2011-01-20 01:03:53 <andrew12^mac> well, here's what i have: http://pastebin.com/rMjWHnNA
107 2011-01-20 01:04:56 <andrew12^mac> noagendamarket: so THAT's the domain you were talking about!
108 2011-01-20 01:05:15 <noagendamarket> yes
109 2011-01-20 01:05:34 <andrew12^mac> err, is it bitcoind.net or bitcoind.org? you changed it halfway
110 2011-01-20 01:05:59 <ArtForz> all of em
111 2011-01-20 01:06:00 <noagendamarket> I have all the domains lol
112 2011-01-20 01:06:06 <andrew12^mac> oh
113 2011-01-20 01:06:09 <andrew12^mac> cool
114 2011-01-20 01:06:17 <noagendamarket> the code the economy and the server are separate
115 2011-01-20 01:06:31 <noagendamarket> But one
116 2011-01-20 01:07:46 <lfm> $100? you mean 350BTC?
117 2011-01-20 01:08:10 <noagendamarket> Yeah that
118 2011-01-20 01:08:24 <noagendamarket> Ill change it I was in  ahurry to type it up
119 2011-01-20 01:10:06 <andrew12^mac> lemme know when the channel is registered noagendamarket :p
120 2011-01-20 01:10:16 <noagendamarket> I will
121 2011-01-20 01:10:20 <andrew12^mac> or at least, when you've regained op
122 2011-01-20 01:30:09 <andrew12_> hmm
123 2011-01-20 01:30:20 <jgarzik> mmmmmm
124 2011-01-20 01:30:29 <noagendamarket> ummmmmmm
125 2011-01-20 01:30:34 <andrew12_> o_o
126 2011-01-20 01:30:39 <noagendamarket> lol
127 2011-01-20 01:30:47 <noagendamarket> haiku ?
128 2011-01-20 01:31:36 <andrew12_> Haikus are easy.
129 2011-01-20 01:31:41 <andrew12_> But sometimes they don't make sense.
130 2011-01-20 01:31:44 <andrew12_> Refrigerator.
131 2011-01-20 01:32:28 <necrodearia> ;;bc,calc 7000000
132 2011-01-20 01:32:29 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 7000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 3 hours, 8 minutes, and 32 seconds
133 2011-01-20 01:33:02 <necrodearia> ;;bc,calc 7340032
134 2011-01-20 01:33:03 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 7340032 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 2 hours, 59 minutes, and 48 seconds
135 2011-01-20 01:33:27 <andrew12_> hmm
136 2011-01-20 01:33:56 <andrew12_> I wonder if I'd be able to set up an amazon ec2 instance and use it for a mining pool... maybe have it take out a bit of money to be able to pay for it :p
137 2011-01-20 01:34:15 <noagendamarket> you probably could
138 2011-01-20 01:35:09 <andrew12_> slush should opensource the code for his pool :P
139 2011-01-20 01:35:16 <necrodearia> the pool is closed
140 2011-01-20 01:35:33 <dirtyfilthy> haha
141 2011-01-20 01:35:35 <andrew12_> heh
142 2011-01-20 01:36:07 <andrew12_> replacment?
143 2011-01-20 01:36:18 <andrew12_> what will it replace?
144 2011-01-20 01:36:21 <tcatm> yep. getwork sucks
145 2011-01-20 01:36:29 <necrodearia> getfun is better
146 2011-01-20 01:36:34 <andrew12_> heh
147 2011-01-20 01:36:36 <tcatm> pushfun :P
148 2011-01-20 01:38:01 <andrew12_> hm
149 2011-01-20 01:45:38 <necrodearia> Everyone can now rejoin #bitcoind
150 2011-01-20 01:45:42 <andrew12> yay
151 2011-01-20 01:45:57 <necrodearia> tcatm, o/ niekie o/
152 2011-01-20 01:46:52 <xelister> andrew12: it was discussed few days ago. amazon ec2 is far from being profitable (like x5-x10 too expensive)
153 2011-01-20 01:46:59 <noagendamarket> we are back in action
154 2011-01-20 01:47:21 <andrew12> xelister: not if it was running a pool
155 2011-01-20 01:47:56 <andrew12> which is what i was thinking of doing
156 2011-01-20 01:48:14 <noagendamarket> andrew join #bitcoind
157 2011-01-20 01:48:17 <andrew12> i am
158 2011-01-20 01:48:21 <noagendamarket> heh
159 2011-01-20 01:48:29 <dirtyfilthy> what advantages would your pool have over existing pools?
160 2011-01-20 01:48:44 <[Noodles]> and what would make it profitable?
161 2011-01-20 01:48:51 <andrew12> dirtyfilthy: honestly the only advantages would be that it's a separate pool
162 2011-01-20 01:49:03 <dirtyfilthy> you're not selling it to me ;)
163 2011-01-20 01:49:22 <andrew12> [Noodles]: the blocks the pool generates? it would only take like 2 btc each block (maybe more initially)
164 2011-01-20 01:49:51 <[Noodles]> 2btc that others generate
165 2011-01-20 01:49:57 <noagendamarket> If the server is generating coins you dont have to yake anything from the pool
166 2011-01-20 01:50:03 <noagendamarket> *take
167 2011-01-20 01:50:17 <andrew12> noagendamarket: not if the server never ends up generating anything
168 2011-01-20 01:50:22 <noagendamarket> it simply adds hash power to the beast lol
169 2011-01-20 01:51:01 <andrew12> i dunno. this is honestly just an idea
170 2011-01-20 01:51:13 <andrew12> i could make it so people just send money to help pay for it
171 2011-01-20 01:51:31 <andrew12> ;;bc,mtgox
172 2011-01-20 01:51:31 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.313,"low":0.305,"vol":7312,"buy":0.3031,"sell":0.3199,"last":0.313}}
173 2011-01-20 01:53:51 <andrew12> ;;calc 0.68/0.32
174 2011-01-20 01:53:51 <gribble> 0.68 / 0.32 = 2.12500
175 2011-01-20 01:54:43 <andrew12> (for mining, possibly) amazon ec2 extra large "High-CPU On-Demand Instances" is 2.125 BTC/hour
176 2011-01-20 01:54:52 <[Noodles]> if mining on amazon costs more than it generates, it makes no sense to make it a pool-server, you can just choose any other hosting solution, if it generates more than it costs, it would be profitabel even generating on its own
177 2011-01-20 01:55:10 <andrew12> ;;calc 0.02/0.32
178 2011-01-20 01:55:11 <gribble> 0.02 / 0.32 = 0.0625
179 2011-01-20 01:55:48 <andrew12> 0.0625 BTC/hour with the micro.. that's just a little more than what you get from the faucet ;)
180 2011-01-20 01:55:59 <andrew12> but it is the micro.
181 2011-01-20 01:56:24 <andrew12> ;;calc 0.085/0.32
182 2011-01-20 01:56:24 <gribble> 0.085 / 0.32 = 0.265625
183 2011-01-20 01:57:29 <andrew12> [Noodles]: what package was tested?
184 2011-01-20 01:57:56 <doublec> andrew12: you'd have trouble getting people to contribute if you took money out for the server since there are competing pools that are free.
185 2011-01-20 01:59:02 <andrew12> doublec: yeah I know. I'd probably be able to pay for that bit from coins that i have
186 2011-01-20 01:59:29 <[Noodles]> Nvidia Tesla M2050|1|575 MHz|CentOS 5.5 (on Amazon EC2)|m0mchil's OpenCL| 55981
187 2011-01-20 01:59:52 <[Noodles]> no idea what package that is, i'm not familiar with amazon at all
188 2011-01-20 02:00:57 <doublec> it's their gpu cluster package
189 2011-01-20 02:01:26 <ArtForz> m0s OpenCL on nvidia sucks
190 2011-01-20 02:02:00 <[Noodles]> think puddinpos cuda-code will make money on amazon? ^.^
191 2011-01-20 02:02:05 <[Noodles]> *pops
192 2011-01-20 02:02:06 <ArtForz> nope
193 2011-01-20 02:02:13 <doublec> amazon's costs are too high
194 2011-01-20 02:02:17 <ArtForz> but it'll lose less :P
195 2011-01-20 02:02:18 <doublec> isn't it like $2 an hour or something?
196 2011-01-20 02:02:24 <andrew12> the gpu one is.
197 2011-01-20 02:02:29 <ArtForz> ya, smth like that
198 2011-01-20 02:02:34 <ArtForz> 2050 should get ~77Mh/s using puddinpops CUDA miner
199 2011-01-20 02:02:49 <ArtForz> and iirc it has 2 2050s
200 2011-01-20 02:03:11 <andrew12> ;;bc,calc 77000
201 2011-01-20 02:03:12 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 77000 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 1 week, 4 days, 21 hours, 40 minutes, and 29 seconds
202 2011-01-20 02:03:16 <andrew12> er
203 2011-01-20 02:03:19 <ArtForz> so... nearly as fast as a 5770
204 2011-01-20 02:03:20 <andrew12> no that's right
205 2011-01-20 02:03:23 <andrew12> hmm
206 2011-01-20 02:03:51 <andrew12> ;;bc,calc 154000
207 2011-01-20 02:03:52 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 154000 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 5 days, 22 hours, 50 minutes, and 14 seconds
208 2011-01-20 02:04:35 <ArtForz> so... about 0.35btc/h for $2
209 2011-01-20 02:04:45 <andrew12> :\n182420
210 2011-01-20 02:06:01 <andrew12> and you're not renting it out
211 2011-01-20 02:06:13 <andrew12> .-. amazon sux :p
212 2011-01-20 02:07:22 <ArtForz> I think I did the math for hash crunching, just buying a bunch of 5970s is cheaper than EC2 beyond 100 hours or so
213 2011-01-20 02:09:04 <ArtForz> ...and you end up with actual hardware you can sell or reuse
214 2011-01-20 02:14:10 <andrew12> yeah
215 2011-01-20 02:14:21 <andrew12> which results in more profit :P
216 2011-01-20 02:23:37 <Kiba> http://mises.org/daily/4987
217 2011-01-20 02:24:33 <lfm> HTTP Error 503. The service is unavailable.
218 2011-01-20 02:29:48 <Kiba> oh dear
219 2011-01-20 02:29:55 <Kiba> try again?
220 2011-01-20 02:31:37 <lfm> script? to do what?
221 2011-01-20 02:33:12 <Kiba> try the site again?
222 2011-01-20 02:33:16 <Kiba> it loads for me
223 2011-01-20 02:55:46 <Kiba> does anybody have the contact info for Andrew Tepper of Dragon's Tales?
224 2011-01-20 03:00:20 <OneFixt> Kiba: I'ts Teppy (try Teppy1)
225 2011-01-20 03:00:24 <OneFixt> it's*
226 2011-01-20 03:00:29 <Kiba> where?
227 2011-01-20 03:00:32 <Kiba> hmm
228 2011-01-20 03:00:37 <Kiba> I earned bitcoin in so many ways now
229 2011-01-20 03:00:46 <OneFixt> on irc
230 2011-01-20 03:00:55 <Kiba> advertising, writing, arts, programming, tiped
231 2011-01-20 03:01:02 <Kiba> Teppy1: yo, yo.
232 2011-01-20 03:01:11 <OneFixt> yes, but have you earned an amount which you are satisfied with?
233 2011-01-20 03:01:21 <Teppy1> Hey
234 2011-01-20 03:01:23 <OneFixt> sometimes it's better to focus and earn more, rather than in many ways
235 2011-01-20 03:01:36 <Kiba> Teppy1: trying to get The Bitcoin Times sponsored
236 2011-01-20 03:01:45 <Kiba> Teppy1: are you interesting in advertising with the new magazine?
237 2011-01-20 03:01:50 <Teppy1> Sure
238 2011-01-20 03:02:12 <OneFixt> Kiba: contgrats, one more way =)
239 2011-01-20 03:02:17 <OneFixt> congrats*
240 2011-01-20 03:02:34 <Kiba> Teppy1: I think, you'll be interested in a full page ads?
241 2011-01-20 03:03:00 <Teppy1> Tell me about the magazine.
242 2011-01-20 03:03:05 <Kiba> well, we're new
243 2011-01-20 03:03:12 <Kiba> and only one issue had been published
244 2011-01-20 03:03:59 <Kiba> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2355.0
245 2011-01-20 03:04:03 <Kiba> issue 0
246 2011-01-20 03:04:08 <Kiba> with an article written by me
247 2011-01-20 03:04:38 <Kiba> you see, fabianhr went broke in paying me 20 BTC for an article...and there's not been much in terms of download
248 2011-01-20 03:05:06 <Kiba> I figure for the magazine to survive, we ought to go free or something...cover our asses with ads so that I have a stream of income ;)
249 2011-01-20 03:05:31 <Teppy1> Sounds good. How much for an ad? (And, how many readers?)
250 2011-01-20 03:05:40 <Kiba> so we're planning to write an article in a week time(Saturday or Wednesday..we're still working out the Wednesday
251 2011-01-20 03:05:54 <Kiba> Teppy1: I think 6 readers downloaded it for 1 BTC
252 2011-01-20 03:06:54 <Kiba> but if we made it free, if fabianhr heed my suggestion, I think we will get wider circulation
253 2011-01-20 03:07:02 <Kiba> s/made/make
254 2011-01-20 03:07:52 <Kiba> How about 50 BTC over two issues?
255 2011-01-20 03:08:07 <Kiba> You get the full page adsd..
256 2011-01-20 03:08:11 <Kiba> s/adsd/ads
257 2011-01-20 03:10:25 <Kiba> Teppy1: yo?
258 2011-01-20 03:10:26 <Teppy1> Well, that's a lot for a magazine with 6 readers.
259 2011-01-20 03:10:41 <Kiba> 6 readers who willingly pay 1 BTC each
260 2011-01-20 03:10:48 <genjix> Teppy1: do you want to buy 50 BTC per page writing articles about your project? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Genjix/Free_software http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Genjix/Pigs_deserve_respect <- those are some of my writings.
261 2011-01-20 03:10:57 <Kiba> 0 BTC, but more readers next magazine issue
262 2011-01-20 03:11:04 <Kiba> that's the provsional offer, Teppy1
263 2011-01-20 03:12:10 <Kiba> the theory is the 0 price will achevie wider distribution
264 2011-01-20 03:12:34 <noagendamarket> Kiba put me down for 2 weeks to promote the #bitcoind project.
265 2011-01-20 03:12:47 <genjix> OneFixt: i await the day bitcoin becomes more popular and work is farmed out to the third world for 0.1 btc :)
266 2011-01-20 03:12:55 <genjix> (more power to them)
267 2011-01-20 03:13:03 <Kiba> noagendamarket: you're willing to pay 50 BTC?
268 2011-01-20 03:13:05 <OneFixt> =)
269 2011-01-20 03:13:11 <noagendamarket> yep
270 2011-01-20 03:13:27 <Kiba> Teppy1: tell you want, 20 BTC over two issues
271 2011-01-20 03:13:31 <Teppy1> I'd pay 25 BTC for an ad, if you also review Dragon's Tale in the issue. Play the game, give an honest review; you can play with your own Bitcoins or mine.
272 2011-01-20 03:13:48 <Kiba> hmm
273 2011-01-20 03:13:54 <Kiba> potential conflict of interest, Teppy1
274 2011-01-20 03:14:08 <Teppy1> No, you can say the game sucks, I'll still pay.
275 2011-01-20 03:14:17 <Teppy1> IOW, give an unbiased review.
276 2011-01-20 03:14:50 <Kiba> alright, 25 BTC the next issue?
277 2011-01-20 03:15:12 <genjix> lol you got a bad deal. now noagenda will want to pay 25 btc
278 2011-01-20 03:15:17 <Kiba> noagendamarket: so, 25 BTC this issue, then next issue?
279 2011-01-20 03:15:24 <Teppy1> Yes.
280 2011-01-20 03:15:27 <genjix> but you do more work
281 2011-01-20 03:15:36 <Kiba> genjix: it's fine. More content, the better
282 2011-01-20 03:15:47 <noagendamarket> 25btc per issue with articles about it
283 2011-01-20 03:16:07 <Kiba> writing articles about what?
284 2011-01-20 03:16:26 <noagendamarket> hmm
285 2011-01-20 03:16:27 <genjix> can i pay 10 btc to write my own article about myself and it goes on the first page?
286 2011-01-20 03:16:54 <Kiba> noagendamarket: so, you want us to write the ads for you?
287 2011-01-20 03:16:59 <Teppy1> AFK for a bit - someone just won 1300 BTC, gotta make sure it's just a normal swing, not a bug.
288 2011-01-20 03:17:14 <genjix> lucky dude
289 2011-01-20 03:17:14 <noagendamarket> Well you can use the forum post
290 2011-01-20 03:17:26 <Kiba> unlucky if it is a bug
291 2011-01-20 03:17:36 <Kiba> you win..then you found out that it's bug..and it's gone :(
292 2011-01-20 03:17:49 <Kiba> noagendamarket: ok
293 2011-01-20 03:17:51 <genjix> so is this 10 btc a deal then?
294 2011-01-20 03:17:57 <Kiba> we just stuff your post as an ads
295 2011-01-20 03:18:03 <genjix> when do i submit the article by?
296 2011-01-20 03:18:04 <Kiba> genjix: you are uninteresting
297 2011-01-20 03:18:17 <noagendamarket> heh
298 2011-01-20 03:18:37 <genjix> no honey, no money.
299 2011-01-20 03:18:39 <Kiba> noagendamarket: Teppy1: well, we will finalize the deal by email at hackerkiba@gmail.com
300 2011-01-20 03:19:49 <Kiba> Teppy1: your email by PM?
301 2011-01-20 03:19:56 <OneFixt> <Teppy1> AFK for a bit - someone just won 1300 BTC, gotta make sure it's just a normal swing, not a bug.   ---- There's your ad right there!
302 2011-01-20 03:19:58 <genjix> Kiba: theres an article on your wiki about me.
303 2011-01-20 03:19:59 <Teppy1> teppy@egenesis.com
304 2011-01-20 03:20:03 <genjix> i didn't write it either :p
305 2011-01-20 03:20:21 <genjix> Qubodup did in 2007
306 2011-01-20 03:20:37 <Kiba> my libregamewiki?
307 2011-01-20 03:20:40 <genjix> yep
308 2011-01-20 03:20:43 <Kiba> well, I forget
309 2011-01-20 03:20:59 <Kiba> noagendamarket: you sure spend a lot
310 2011-01-20 03:21:13 <genjix> did you make that site? i always wondered who owned that.
311 2011-01-20 03:21:23 <Kiba> genjix: I owned that sit
312 2011-01-20 03:21:24 <Kiba> e
313 2011-01-20 03:21:33 <Kiba> I sitted on it through my high school years, producing content
314 2011-01-20 03:21:45 <genjix> oh yeah you edited it.
315 2011-01-20 03:21:45 <noagendamarket> Kiba I dont spend I invest :)
316 2011-01-20 03:22:01 <genjix> "10:41, 22 July 2008 Kiba (Talk | contribs) (1,877 bytes) (add infobox) (undo)"
317 2011-01-20 03:22:04 <genjix> on my article :p
318 2011-01-20 03:23:38 <genjix> ohhh, you know CyaNox?
319 2011-01-20 03:24:06 <genjix> small world.
320 2011-01-20 03:24:29 <Kiba> genjix: duh, it's freenode
321 2011-01-20 03:24:47 <genjix> what, like only 25k users?
322 2011-01-20 03:24:57 <Kiba> and we're hackers
323 2011-01-20 03:25:00 <Kiba> err
324 2011-01-20 03:25:01 <Kiba> programmers
325 2011-01-20 03:25:04 <Kiba> and computer nerds
326 2011-01-20 03:26:01 <genjix> i suppose it's 1 degree of freenode, not 6 on freendoe
327 2011-01-20 03:26:04 <genjix> node
328 2011-01-20 03:26:13 <genjix> *separation
329 2011-01-20 03:27:42 <Kiba> Ask, and You Shall Receive
330 2011-01-20 03:28:06 <Kiba> If you never ask, who will give you jobs?
331 2011-01-20 03:28:34 <genjix> they took our jobs.
332 2011-01-20 03:28:58 <dirtyfilthy> dey dook our jurbs!
333 2011-01-20 03:29:22 <noagendamarket> steve jobs
334 2011-01-20 03:29:23 <genjix> dook ker doo X(
335 2011-01-20 03:30:52 <Kiba> there's always job around
336 2011-01-20 03:30:57 <Kiba> it's just a simple matter of price
337 2011-01-20 03:31:34 <Kiba> noagendamarket: the content on your forum topic is a little too long
338 2011-01-20 03:32:02 <noagendamarket> thats because I have textual diarrhea
339 2011-01-20 03:32:10 <genjix> brb, "surfing" the web. because i'm cool and it's 1998 all again.
340 2011-01-20 03:32:11 <Kiba> do you want to supply(in the future) a shortern version that doesn't extend beyond one page?
341 2011-01-20 03:32:33 <noagendamarket> Im sure I can.
342 2011-01-20 03:32:44 <noagendamarket> How many words would that be ?
343 2011-01-20 03:32:45 <Kiba> ok, advertiser will supply content (Limit is 1 page)
344 2011-01-20 03:32:50 <Kiba> dunno
345 2011-01-20 03:33:33 <Kiba> I think 500 words you're on the safe side
346 2011-01-20 03:33:48 <Kiba> barely
347 2011-01-20 03:34:23 <noagendamarket> Ok
348 2011-01-20 03:34:25 <genjix> i love reading eric raymonds blog
349 2011-01-20 03:34:33 <noagendamarket> Bullet points ftw lol
350 2011-01-20 03:34:45 <genjix> because of the comments calling him a stupid wanker
351 2011-01-20 03:35:37 <genjix> silly man
352 2011-01-20 03:36:24 <redMBA> whats your readership level?
353 2011-01-20 03:36:38 <Kiba> redMBA: readership level? low?
354 2011-01-20 03:36:50 <Kiba> low
355 2011-01-20 03:37:07 <Kiba> I think we're in the single digit, and maybe double digit..but I request the issue will be free next time
356 2011-01-20 03:37:30 <redMBA> gonna be hard to convince advertising to 50 ppl is worth the cost of creating an ad
357 2011-01-20 03:37:54 <Kiba> well Teppy1 and noagendamarket accepted
358 2011-01-20 03:37:59 <Kiba> at least provisionally
359 2011-01-20 03:38:35 <Kiba> Bringing home the bacons
360 2011-01-20 03:42:29 <genjix> ESR: What do you think of the cryptocurrency Bitcoins potential as a global currency?
361 2011-01-20 03:42:36 <genjix> Kiba: ^ you are a posting machine.
362 2011-01-20 03:43:36 <Kiba> only on the bitcoin forum, though
363 2011-01-20 03:44:23 <necrodearia> Maybe soon witcoin too? ^_^
364 2011-01-20 03:44:42 <Kiba> whatever make kiba money
365 2011-01-20 03:44:58 <noagendamarket> witcoin will make you money lol
366 2011-01-20 03:45:04 <necrodearia> witcoin can help you to pursue your greediness
367 2011-01-20 03:45:24 <genjix> i just found you in 2 other parts of the net by accident XD
368 2011-01-20 03:45:32 <necrodearia> For starters you can visit http://witcoin.com/witup and practice your greediness
369 2011-01-20 03:45:39 <necrodearia> You must create an account first thoguh.
370 2011-01-20 03:46:25 <genjix> i clicked from libregamewiki -> CyaNox -> hacker files -> ESR blog and saw a comment by you there
371 2011-01-20 03:46:38 <genjix> funny stuff
372 2011-01-20 03:47:10 <Kiba> CyaNox -> hacker files?
373 2011-01-20 03:48:29 <Kiba> genjix: I intend to be more proflic and more skillful in the production of content
374 2011-01-20 03:50:26 <necrodearia> Kiba, What kind of content?
375 2011-01-20 03:50:55 <Kiba> necrodearia: dunno. I seem to not have specialize yet
376 2011-01-20 03:51:23 <Kiba> tenent*
377 2011-01-20 03:51:40 <Kiba> divison of labor create efficency
378 2011-01-20 03:51:59 <Kiba> but I work many kind of things to earn bitcoin over the last few days
379 2011-01-20 03:52:17 <Kiba> perhaps, I am specializing in being a generalist
380 2011-01-20 03:52:34 <Kiba> I do odd jobs because nobody will
381 2011-01-20 03:58:56 <genjix> division of labour is for factory workers in the industrial age.
382 2011-01-20 03:59:53 <genjix> today we live in an age of information workers, taking the noise around them into their black boxes, applying their energies and outputting useful 'content'. To truly transform that into something useful you have to be creative.
383 2011-01-20 03:59:56 <Kiba> pfft
384 2011-01-20 04:00:25 <Kiba> information workers divide their labor into projects
385 2011-01-20 04:00:41 <genjix> Creativity is the ability to reapply diverse skillsets across disciplines (as nobody is born with ideas). You can only be truly creative if you have wideranging knowledge.
386 2011-01-20 04:00:50 <genjix> generalists are the new super-workers.
387 2011-01-20 04:01:08 <Kiba> I intend to do that just that
388 2011-01-20 04:01:10 <Kiba> polymath
389 2011-01-20 04:01:33 <Kiba> don't want to be a dilentte socialist who farm 30 minutes, fish 30 minutes, herd sheeps 30 minutes, etc
390 2011-01-20 04:01:54 <genjix> go for it then, but realise that forums are very distracting if you want to focus hard :p
391 2011-01-20 04:02:15 <Kiba> genjix: I have money sorting algorithm
392 2011-01-20 04:02:21 <Kiba> and I focus on my projects!
393 2011-01-20 05:23:38 <mrb_> ArtForz and xelister: according to the forums you are the ones who increase the difficulty on testnet. I am curious: why?
394 2011-01-20 05:25:12 <tcatm> mrb_: I think they were testing things out. It's a TESTnet after all :)
395 2011-01-20 05:26:36 <mrb_> yeah but what requires hours of generation on testnet?...
396 2011-01-20 05:33:12 <tcatm> mrb_: reducing latencies? finetuning?
397 2011-01-20 06:25:43 <lfm> i think it was a test to see what people woulkd do if the difficulty got pushed higher than they expected
398 2011-01-20 06:31:18 <lfm> ;;bc,calc 320000
399 2011-01-20 06:31:19 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 320000 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 2 days, 20 hours, 44 minutes, and 25 seconds
400 2011-01-20 06:31:34 <DjeZAeL> ah ah
401 2011-01-20 06:31:44 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 320000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 185, is 41 minutes and 23 seconds
402 2011-01-20 06:31:44 <lfm> ;;bc,calcd 320000 185
403 2011-01-20 06:31:57 <DjeZAeL> 2 yearns to earn 50BTC, too bad
404 2011-01-20 06:32:14 <lfm> years?
405 2011-01-20 06:32:34 <DjeZAeL> my computer needs 2 years yes :(
406 2011-01-20 06:32:41 <lfm> o i c
407 2011-01-20 06:32:46 <DjeZAeL> oic ?
408 2011-01-20 06:32:52 <lfm> oh I see
409 2011-01-20 06:32:56 <DjeZAeL> ok
410 2011-01-20 06:33:08 <lfm> ;bc,stats\n182640
411 2011-01-20 06:33:15 <lfm> ;;bc,stats
412 2011-01-20 06:33:18 <gribble> Current Blocks: 103601 | Current Difficulty: 18437.64439217 | Next Difficulty At Block: 104831 | Next Difficulty In: 1230 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 9 hours, 19 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 21362.46268322
413 2011-01-20 06:33:22 <ArtForz> mainly trying to find a bug in my miner
414 2011-01-20 06:33:28 <DjeZAeL> ;;bc,calc 400
415 2011-01-20 06:33:30 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 400 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 6 years, 14 weeks, 3 days, 8 hours, 24 minutes, and 59 seconds
416 2011-01-20 06:34:00 <mrb_> ArtForz: ah.
417 2011-01-20 06:34:01 <lfm> ya 400 is a pretty small computer for bitcoin mining
418 2011-01-20 06:34:16 <DjeZAeL> i dont remember the score yet
419 2011-01-20 06:34:18 <ArtForz> I had problems with my custom async protocol
420 2011-01-20 06:34:53 <ArtForz> turns out that I had some of my logic of when to send responses to what messed up
421 2011-01-20 06:35:09 <DjeZAeL> ;;bc,calc 4589
422 2011-01-20 06:35:10 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 4589 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 28 weeks, 3 days, 17 hours, 24 minutes, and 42 seconds
423 2011-01-20 06:35:15 <DjeZAeL> ;;bc,calc 589
424 2011-01-20 06:35:17 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 589 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 4 years, 13 weeks, 5 days, 2 hours, 17 minutes, and 34 seconds
425 2011-01-20 06:35:27 <DjeZAeL> :(
426 2011-01-20 06:36:38 <ArtForz> = when while miner was busy it received 2 "update nTime" messages it didn't ack the first one
427 2011-01-20 06:36:54 <lfm> djezael what cpu is that?
428 2011-01-20 06:37:03 <ArtForz> which caused it to "lose sync" until a "update blockheader" came along
429 2011-01-20 06:38:04 <ArtForz> checking for stuff like that is kinda hard when you're only getting < 1 block/hr
430 2011-01-20 06:38:25 <DjeZAeL> lfm: atom
431 2011-01-20 06:39:00 <lfm> djazael well I guess you arnt surprized it isnt very fast\n182663
432 2011-01-20 06:39:28 <lfm> quark
433 2011-01-20 06:39:34 <DjeZAeL> lfm: i already know it yes
434 2011-01-20 06:39:54 <nevezen> ;;bc,calc 25000
435 2011-01-20 06:39:55 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 25000 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 5 weeks, 1 day, 15 hours, 52 minutes, and 43 seconds
436 2011-01-20 06:40:05 <DjeZAeL> but i didn t really choose
437 2011-01-20 06:40:20 <ArtForz> the new atom, now slightly faster than molasses in winter ;)
438 2011-01-20 06:41:06 <lfm> some atoms are dual core, two streams of molasses in winter
439 2011-01-20 06:41:27 <ArtForz> yeah, makes not much sense
440 2011-01-20 06:41:55 <DjeZAeL> mine is dual core
441 2011-01-20 06:42:00 <ArtForz> even via realized in-order designs suck
442 2011-01-20 06:42:22 <DjeZAeL> but it's a server in a datacenter
443 2011-01-20 06:42:38 <DjeZAeL> so no really choice about processor
444 2011-01-20 06:42:53 <DjeZAeL> or i could pay more :(
445 2011-01-20 06:42:57 <nevezen> atoms are used in servers too!?
446 2011-01-20 06:43:03 <ArtForz> yeah :/
447 2011-01-20 06:43:06 <nevezen> wtf
448 2011-01-20 06:43:09 <ArtForz> makes no fucking sense
449 2011-01-20 06:43:19 <ArtForz> well, except to have cheap "dedicated servers"
450 2011-01-20 06:43:24 <nevezen> are they really cheap on electricity?
451 2011-01-20 06:43:25 <lfm> low power
452 2011-01-20 06:43:34 <ArtForz> sounds better than "1/X of a real server" VPS
453 2011-01-20 06:43:45 <DjeZAeL> ArtForz: it's my case
454 2011-01-20 06:43:54 <DjeZAeL> its a dedicated server
455 2011-01-20 06:43:55 <lfm> they dont even need a fan
456 2011-01-20 06:43:56 <DjeZAeL> cheap
457 2011-01-20 06:44:01 <ArtForz> yes
458 2011-01-20 06:44:09 <ArtForz> and VPS would be even cheaper
459 2011-01-20 06:44:28 <DjeZAeL> i dont think
460 2011-01-20 06:44:57 <nevezen> ;;bc,calc 400
461 2011-01-20 06:44:58 <ArtForz> lol
462 2011-01-20 06:44:58 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 400 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 6 years, 14 weeks, 3 days, 8 hours, 24 minutes, and 59 seconds
463 2011-01-20 06:45:21 <nevezen> 400 is the kh/s for a single core atom
464 2011-01-20 06:45:28 <ArtForz> atom in a datacenter makes no sense at all
465 2011-01-20 06:45:33 <ArtForz> they're not really that efficient
466 2011-01-20 06:45:51 <ArtForz> yeah, they're low power, but they're also Slow(tm)
467 2011-01-20 06:45:52 <DjeZAeL> it works, i just need a running machine
468 2011-01-20 06:45:53 <nevezen> that's on my netbook :)
469 2011-01-20 06:46:09 <DjeZAeL> no need to have a high performance server
470 2011-01-20 06:46:31 <lfm> djezael so why not vps?
471 2011-01-20 06:46:38 <nevezen> ;;bc,calc 1800
472 2011-01-20 06:46:39 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1800 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 1 year, 20 weeks, 4 days, 4 hours, 32 minutes, and 13 seconds
473 2011-01-20 06:47:09 <nevezen> at least running a miner on an nvidia ion almost matches up to my current desktop's processor..
474 2011-01-20 06:47:21 <ArtForz> one single large box running at 60+% average load is more efficient than X small ones each at 10% load
475 2011-01-20 06:47:23 <nevezen> ;;bc, calc 2000
476 2011-01-20 06:47:24 <gribble> Error: "bc," is not a valid command.
477 2011-01-20 06:47:29 <nevezen> ;;bc,calc 2000
478 2011-01-20 06:47:30 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 2000 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 1 year, 13 weeks, 2 days, 6 hours, 28 minutes, and 59 seconds
479 2011-01-20 06:47:51 <DjeZAeL> should i say that bitcoin is not my priority ?
480 2011-01-20 06:48:08 <ArtForz> what does that have to do with anything?
481 2011-01-20 06:49:11 <lfm> djezael so why not virtal private server (vps)?
482 2011-01-20 06:49:38 <DjeZAeL> because i had some good prices with that offer
483 2011-01-20 06:50:54 <ArtForz> weird
484 2011-01-20 06:51:25 <ArtForz> so anyways, how fast is a ion?
485 2011-01-20 06:51:29 <ArtForz> hashing-wise
486 2011-01-20 06:52:44 <ArtForz> nevezen: ping
487 2011-01-20 06:53:37 <lfm> i suspect that calc 2000 my be related
488 2011-01-20 06:53:49 <DjeZAeL> i just saw that ovh has some vps with atom processor...
489 2011-01-20 06:54:05 <ArtForz> vps? on atom? *dies*
490 2011-01-20 06:54:18 <DjeZAeL> see ovh website...
491 2011-01-20 06:54:36 <ArtForz> just did the math, ion should be able to get 2.65Mh/s or so
492 2011-01-20 06:56:09 <ArtForz> and if it's not more efficient than the normal 9400M, it's ~0.22Mh/W
493 2011-01-20 06:57:51 <ArtForz> = low power, low speed, not really efficient
494 2011-01-20 06:59:01 <luke-jr> Is there already a miner that takes advantage of Sandy Bridge's new SHA-specific instructions?
495 2011-01-20 06:59:21 <ArtForz> which ones?
496 2011-01-20 06:59:23 <lfm> not that I know of
497 2011-01-20 06:59:45 <ArtForz> SB has accelerated AES and SHA-1
498 2011-01-20 06:59:54 <ArtForz> iirc not sha256
499 2011-01-20 07:00:50 <lfm> sha-1 is no use to bitcoin
500 2011-01-20 07:00:59 <nevezen> around there artforz
501 2011-01-20 07:01:08 <nevezen> 1800-2000 Kh/s
502 2011-01-20 07:01:16 <ArtForz> using what miner?
503 2011-01-20 07:01:22 <ArtForz> m0mchils?
504 2011-01-20 07:01:22 <nevezen> m0mchil
505 2011-01-20 07:01:45 <ArtForz> try puddinpops CUDA miner, nvidias OpenCL implementation is... suboptimal
506 2011-01-20 07:01:58 <nevezen> I played around with puddin's.. but it doesn't mine.
507 2011-01-20 07:02:17 <nevezen> It'll just sit there with 0 kh/s forever
508 2011-01-20 07:02:39 <ArtForz> *shrug* dunno, don't run nvidia here
509 2011-01-20 07:02:44 <nevezen> hehe
510 2011-01-20 07:03:19 <mrb_> nevezen: creepy
511 2011-01-20 07:03:29 <nevezen> bitcoin hasn't been ported to anywhere else has it?
512 2011-01-20 07:03:33 <ArtForz> but someone else went from 50 to ~65Mh/s on a GTX460 by switching from m0s to puddinpops cudaminer
513 2011-01-20 07:03:36 <nevezen> a miner for the ps3?
514 2011-01-20 07:03:52 <ArtForz> been there, did the math, doesnt make sense
515 2011-01-20 07:04:14 <nevezen> so essentially from opencl to cuda?
516 2011-01-20 07:04:17 <ArtForz> yep
517 2011-01-20 07:05:09 <ArtForz> like I said, nvidias OpenCL impl. isnt really the greatest
518 2011-01-20 07:05:54 <nevezen> I'll try using puddinpop's cuda miner again
519 2011-01-20 07:06:05 <nevezen> I'm sure I fscked up some setting somewhere
520 2011-01-20 07:06:11 <ArtForz> might wanna check the thread on the dev forums again
521 2011-01-20 07:06:45 <nevezen> it's one of my permanent tabs on my browser :-)
522 2011-01-20 07:07:01 <ArtForz> iirc its commandline switch handling is a bit unorthodox or something
523 2011-01-20 07:07:17 <lfm> I couldnt figure out how to build puddin's miner(s) on linux
524 2011-01-20 07:08:16 <ArtForz> probably uses some kind of makefile *ducks*
525 2011-01-20 07:08:32 <lfm> some weird version of cmake
526 2011-01-20 07:08:51 <ArtForz> eww, cmake *grabs asbestos suit*
527 2011-01-20 07:09:35 <lfm> so I gave up without trying real hard
528 2011-01-20 07:09:54 <ArtForz> my ATI OpenCL and CAL miners use a plain ole makefile
529 2011-01-20 07:10:23 <ArtForz> export ATISTREAMSDKROOT=...; make all
530 2011-01-20 07:12:03 <ArtForz> aka "stupid but works"
531 2011-01-20 07:14:31 <lfm> kiss principle is effective
532 2011-01-20 08:35:24 <bitcoinz> hello room
533 2011-01-20 08:36:04 <bitcoinz> can someone help me put of partyfee in bitcoind please..:$
534 2011-01-20 08:36:53 <lfm> what?
535 2011-01-20 08:37:19 <bitcoinz> i could not find the command with ./bitcoind help
536 2011-01-20 08:37:32 <bitcoinz> partyfee has to be disabled
537 2011-01-20 08:37:46 <lfm> what is partyfee?
538 2011-01-20 08:38:21 <ArtForz> *blink*
539 2011-01-20 08:38:41 <bitcoinz> 0.01
540 2011-01-20 08:38:48 <nevezen> ?
541 2011-01-20 08:39:00 <ArtForz> paytxfee?
542 2011-01-20 08:39:11 <lfm> oh
543 2011-01-20 08:39:15 <ArtForz> lern2raed?
544 2011-01-20 08:39:53 <ArtForz> *crawls back under his bridge*
545 2011-01-20 08:40:00 <lfm> are you trying to send whole balance?
546 2011-01-20 08:40:10 <bitcoinz> yeah
547 2011-01-20 08:40:25 <lfm> try leaving 0.01 or 0.02 behind
548 2011-01-20 08:40:33 <bitcoinz> i mean transaction fee
549 2011-01-20 08:40:57 <lfm> ya, you may have picked up a fractional bitcent
550 2011-01-20 08:41:33 <ArtForz> shouldnt current bitcoind just throw away those?
551 2011-01-20 08:41:44 <lfm> try 49.99 instead of 50.00
552 2011-01-20 08:42:03 <lfm> it tries to throw it into txfee
553 2011-01-20 08:42:09 <bitcoinz> i have 50 coinz to be payed
554 2011-01-20 08:42:40 <bitcoinz> and i have only 50 si i cant sent it due to the fee
555 2011-01-20 08:42:47 <lfm> ok Ill send you another 0.01 then you can leave it in balance, tell me your bitcoin address
556 2011-01-20 08:43:02 <lfm> either that or just pay fee
557 2011-01-20 08:43:35 <lfm> in any case you cant reall get the last penny at this time
558 2011-01-20 08:44:30 <bitcoinz> i see...i'll pay 49.99 :)
559 2011-01-20 08:44:35 <bitcoinz> thtas the fast
560 2011-01-20 08:44:38 <lfm> ya I know it is kinda screwed up, basiclly you need another 0.01
561 2011-01-20 08:45:37 <bitcoinz> yeah its weir
562 2011-01-20 08:45:39 <bitcoinz> d
563 2011-01-20 08:46:14 <bitcoinz> i will sent the rest later:D
564 2011-01-20 08:46:37 <bitcoinz> I got the system running Art
565 2011-01-20 08:46:40 <lfm> ok, good luck
566 2011-01-20 08:47:20 <bitcoinz> i am running 2 5970's now at 1200mhash :D
567 2011-01-20 08:47:36 <ArtForz> neat
568 2011-01-20 08:48:14 <bitcoinz> 3 blocks solved since yesterday
569 2011-01-20 08:48:23 <lfm> nice
570 2011-01-20 08:48:36 <bitcoinz> yeah
571 2011-01-20 08:48:42 <bitcoinz> i love this :D
572 2011-01-20 08:48:45 <bitcoinz> haha
573 2011-01-20 08:49:27 <bitcoinz> i am becoming an adict lol
574 2011-01-20 08:49:53 <bitcoinz> ow yea i found out that there are several types xfx 5970
575 2011-01-20 08:50:17 <bitcoinz> i have older types running standard at 725 mhz
576 2011-01-20 08:50:59 <bitcoinz> but the newest type runs 850 mhz but cost over 800 ???  :O
577 2011-01-20 08:51:12 <bitcoinz> Wow
578 2011-01-20 08:51:18 <bitcoinz> not for mee lol
579 2011-01-20 08:52:11 <bitcoinz> it seems they upgraded mhz with the new 5000 serie
580 2011-01-20 08:52:42 <bitcoinz> i set clocks at 800 mhz speed
581 2011-01-20 08:52:48 <lfm> factory overclocking?
582 2011-01-20 08:52:52 <bitcoinz> ;0
583 2011-01-20 08:52:57 <bitcoinz> yeah
584 2011-01-20 08:53:17 <bitcoinz> 725 mhz --> 800
585 2011-01-20 08:53:41 <ArtForz> 800 isnt exactly much for a 5970
586 2011-01-20 08:54:04 <ArtForz> thats about as fast as my slowest card goes
587 2011-01-20 08:54:12 <bitcoinz> indeed...
588 2011-01-20 08:54:36 <bitcoinz> i tried 850 also but the cards became to hot :(
589 2011-01-20 08:54:47 <bitcoinz> 90 degrees :O
590 2011-01-20 08:55:05 <davout> tcatm: ping
591 2011-01-20 08:55:20 <ArtForz> increase fan speed
592 2011-01-20 08:55:24 <ArtForz> autofan sucks
593 2011-01-20 08:55:39 <bitcoinz> so i opened up my case and pointed a fan at the cards
594 2011-01-20 08:56:49 <bitcoinz> i bought e cheap table fan to poit at at, so i can speed mhz up too maybe 900 mhz
595 2011-01-20 08:56:54 <ArtForz> aticonfig --pplib-cmd "set fanspeed 0 100"
596 2011-01-20 08:57:01 <bitcoinz> hmzzz
597 2011-01-20 08:57:08 <ArtForz> most cards top out around 840 - 900
598 2011-01-20 08:57:40 <bitcoinz> that will increase hashes much Art :)
599 2011-01-20 08:59:49 <davout> don't do the fan thing
600 2011-01-20 08:59:56 <davout> your box will start to levitate
601 2011-01-20 08:59:58 <bitcoinz> @Artforz pplib error
602 2011-01-20 09:00:29 <bitcoinz> sorry, forgot a space
603 2011-01-20 09:00:30 <ArtForz> dont forget export DISPLAY=whatever
604 2011-01-20 09:00:36 <ArtForz> yeah, or that
605 2011-01-20 09:00:47 <ArtForz> oh, and get some hearing protection ;)
606 2011-01-20 09:00:53 <bitcoinz> what a fannoise! LOL
607 2011-01-20 09:01:13 <ArtForz> just use 65 or 70 or so
608 2011-01-20 09:01:17 <bitcoinz> thanks Art
609 2011-01-20 09:01:21 <ArtForz> auto fanspeed doesnt go over 60
610 2011-01-20 09:01:57 <bitcoinz> okay
611 2011-01-20 09:02:08 <bitcoinz> thanks for the cmd:)
612 2011-01-20 09:03:08 <bitcoinz> temp adapter 0 and 1 dropped below 70 degrees
613 2011-01-20 09:03:11 <bitcoinz> :D
614 2011-01-20 09:03:18 <ArtForz> just check core temps, <85???C or so should be fine, <80???C isnt hard with decent case airflow
615 2011-01-20 09:05:03 <ArtForz> somewhere around 95???C core temp card usually starts to throttle as VRMs hit 120???C
616 2011-01-20 09:05:43 <bitcoinz> i just closed the case .. trying with some cmd's
617 2011-01-20 09:11:08 <bitcoinz> get some lead in your boots ;)
618 2011-01-20 09:11:33 <bitcoinz> LOL
619 2011-01-20 09:27:51 <bitcoinz> my box get wings now :D
620 2011-01-20 09:29:29 <davout> your room is getting chilly?
621 2011-01-20 09:29:55 <ArtForz> just get a bunch of these: http://www.ebmpapst.com/en/products/compact-fans/axial-compact-fans/axial_compact_fans_detail.php?pID=54166
622 2011-01-20 09:30:07 <bitcoinz> put on an extra vest;)
623 2011-01-20 09:30:18 <ArtForz> a 5970@100% is nice and quiet in comparison
624 2011-01-20 09:32:14 <bitcoinz> i got 5 of such fans :) with blue leds
625 2011-01-20 09:32:26 <ArtForz> *very* unlikely
626 2011-01-20 09:32:33 <ArtForz> these are 22W
627 2011-01-20 09:32:43 <ArtForz> 6000RPM 120x38mm
628 2011-01-20 09:32:59 <bitcoinz> wow
629 2011-01-20 09:33:30 <bitcoinz> more watts and rpm than mines
630 2011-01-20 09:33:34 <ArtForz> ...yep
631 2011-01-20 09:34:01 <bitcoinz> that would be dangerous for my 3 cats
632 2011-01-20 09:34:27 <ArtForz> yep
633 2011-01-20 09:34:28 <bitcoinz> they would get sucked in lol
634 2011-01-20 09:34:57 <bitcoinz> and teared to pieces
635 2011-01-20 09:35:26 <ArtForz> oh, and don't stick your finger in
636 2011-01-20 09:35:26 <bitcoinz> like in a meatmill
637 2011-01-20 09:35:54 <bitcoinz> no...i alreeady burned them on the cards..
638 2011-01-20 09:36:03 <ArtForz> managed to do that at work once when I was replacing the filter
639 2011-01-20 09:36:05 <ArtForz> had a nice black fingernail for a few weeks before it came off
640 2011-01-20 09:36:24 <bitcoinz> lol
641 2011-01-20 09:36:37 <bitcoinz> you're the expert ;)
642 2011-01-20 09:36:48 <bitcoinz> whahahaha
643 2011-01-20 09:37:04 <ArtForz> hurt like hell
644 2011-01-20 09:38:14 <bitcoinz> i figure
645 2011-01-20 09:38:30 <ArtForz> one day I want to hear/feel one of these in action: http://www.ebmpapst.com/en/products/compact-fans/axial-compact-fans/axial_compact_fans_detail.php?pID=120067
646 2011-01-20 09:38:48 <ArtForz> again a 120x38mm fan, just a *tad* more powerful
647 2011-01-20 09:39:02 <ArtForz> 120W, 11000RPM
648 2011-01-20 09:39:59 <ArtForz> max static pressure ~ 5" H2O, max airflow 330CFM
649 2011-01-20 09:40:15 <bitcoinz> i see
650 2011-01-20 09:40:31 <lfm> how bout http://www.technologyreview.com/read_article.aspx?id=16992&ch=infotech&a=f
651 2011-01-20 09:41:03 <bitcoinz> bet you don't have cats around ;)
652 2011-01-20 09:41:13 <ArtForz> I actually do
653 2011-01-20 09:41:25 <ArtForz> well, this fan is in a similar vein
654 2011-01-20 09:41:43 <bitcoinz> :)
655 2011-01-20 09:41:59 <ArtForz> they basically combined a conventional 120mm fan chassis with a high-power brushless DC motor as used in model aircraft
656 2011-01-20 09:42:10 <davout> hehe
657 2011-01-20 09:42:11 <davout> cats
658 2011-01-20 09:42:13 <davout> :3
659 2011-01-20 09:42:44 <ArtForz> yup, 2 persians
660 2011-01-20 09:43:09 <bitcoinz> we have three european cats
661 2011-01-20 09:43:20 <davout> i have a plain badass cat
662 2011-01-20 09:43:41 <bitcoinz> european shorthair .. ahum
663 2011-01-20 09:43:42 <davout> s/badass/fat and lazy/
664 2011-01-20 09:44:20 <ArtForz> all cats are lazy, thats why they rule ;)
665 2011-01-20 09:44:32 <bitcoinz> lots of hair of the persians to pull out of your box Art?
666 2011-01-20 09:44:37 <davout> they are like developers
667 2011-01-20 09:44:40 <ArtForz> yep
668 2011-01-20 09:44:41 <davout> awesome and lazy
669 2011-01-20 09:44:54 <davout> and fat...
670 2011-01-20 09:45:08 <ArtForz> thats why every engineer worth his salt likes cats
671 2011-01-20 09:45:29 <ArtForz> being lazy is a fucking requirement to go into engineering
672 2011-01-20 09:45:54 <noagendamarket> do engineers sit in the sun and go to sleep?
673 2011-01-20 09:46:00 <ArtForz> yep
674 2011-01-20 09:46:04 <noagendamarket> heh
675 2011-01-20 09:46:07 <MT`AwAy> they would if they could
676 2011-01-20 09:46:13 <bitcoinz> sleep, eat, fart.. and sleep some more:P
677 2011-01-20 09:46:16 <nameless> |engineers can be in sun?
678 2011-01-20 09:46:25 <lfm> just you dont often catch them in the sun
679 2011-01-20 09:46:29 <ArtForz> well, half-breeds, yes :P
680 2011-01-20 09:46:33 <nameless> |I thought they melted when the sun shined on them
681 2011-01-20 09:46:39 <ArtForz> real engineers melt I think
682 2011-01-20 09:46:42 <noagendamarket> lol
683 2011-01-20 09:46:45 <bitcoinz> LOL
684 2011-01-20 09:47:21 <lfm> yes flourescents are their natural habitat
685 2011-01-20 09:48:01 <ArtForz> yeah, but only the good old ones with the passive 50/60Hz ballast
686 2011-01-20 09:48:12 <bitcoinz> GPUload has dropped from 99% to 98/98/96/93
687 2011-01-20 09:48:39 <bitcoinz> oh.. back at 99 again
688 2011-01-20 09:49:00 <lfm> chronjob?
689 2011-01-20 09:51:03 <bitcoinz> getting 1220000 khash on 820 mhz GPUspeed
690 2011-01-20 09:51:49 <lfm> temp?
691 2011-01-20 09:51:58 <ArtForz> "yes"
692 2011-01-20 09:52:31 <bitcoinz> temp at 65,5 / 65 / 87,5 / 85,5
693 2011-01-20 09:52:49 <bitcoinz> adapter 2 and 3 are above the psu
694 2011-01-20 09:53:24 <davout> i get 87ish on both GPUs @820 Mhz with stock cooling
695 2011-01-20 09:53:30 <ArtForz> btw, I have a somewhat racist theory
696 2011-01-20 09:53:33 <bitcoinz> so i could overclock adapters 0 and 1...  what's the cmd for that?
697 2011-01-20 09:53:49 <davout> we should stop with the racist theories
698 2011-01-20 09:53:51 <ArtForz> I've never met a good indian engineer, or coder for that matter
699 2011-01-20 09:53:57 <ArtForz> not fucking ONE
700 2011-01-20 09:54:03 <davout> ArtForz: racism is a crime
701 2011-01-20 09:54:13 <ArtForz> it's not race per se, more a societal thing
702 2011-01-20 09:54:13 <davout> and crime, is for niggers
703 2011-01-20 09:54:32 <nameless> |But everyone is a little bit racist
704 2011-01-20 09:54:34 <ArtForz> they *like* work
705 2011-01-20 09:54:40 <ArtForz> avenue q?
706 2011-01-20 09:54:41 <bitcoinz> @ArtForz what's the cmd to overclock one or two adapters instead of 'all'?
707 2011-01-20 09:54:45 <sipa> haha
708 2011-01-20 09:54:47 <nameless> |yes
709 2011-01-20 09:54:53 <davout> just don't supplu the --adapter switch
710 2011-01-20 09:54:58 <davout> *supply
711 2011-01-20 09:55:24 <nameless> |hmm, I wonder if they've revised the last song
712 2011-01-20 09:55:31 <nameless> |s/Bush/Obama/
713 2011-01-20 09:55:36 <ArtForz> hehehe
714 2011-01-20 09:55:39 <nameless> |It doesn't have the same flow though
715 2011-01-20 09:55:56 <bitcoinz> @ArtForz what's the cmd to overclock one or two adapters instead of 'all'?
716 2011-01-20 09:55:59 <nameless> |maybe s/Bush/Change/
717 2011-01-20 09:56:13 <ArtForz> --adapter=0,1 for first card
718 2011-01-20 09:56:18 <ArtForz> --adapter=2,3 for 2nd
719 2011-01-20 09:56:20 <ArtForz> etc
720 2011-01-20 09:56:27 <bitcoinz> thanks.. again
721 2011-01-20 09:56:47 <ArtForz> Well, and I have a idea why indians make crappy engineers
722 2011-01-20 09:56:53 <ArtForz> they're taught work is a good thing
723 2011-01-20 09:57:00 <ArtForz> nstead of something to be avoided at all costs
724 2011-01-20 09:57:16 <nameless> |work is good
725 2011-01-20 09:57:20 <ArtForz> nope
726 2011-01-20 09:57:25 <bitcoinz> they aren't lazy enough.. guess they eat cats there:P
727 2011-01-20 09:57:26 <ArtForz> working to do less work is good
728 2011-01-20 09:57:26 <nameless> |But if you can avoid working while you're working, you're efficient
729 2011-01-20 09:57:30 <lfm> they tried to teach me work was a good thing too (Canada), didnt take tho
730 2011-01-20 09:57:48 <nameless> |And as we all know
731 2011-01-20 09:57:52 <nameless> |If you're efficient
732 2011-01-20 09:57:56 <nameless> |You're working well
733 2011-01-20 09:58:09 <sipa> nameless|: i've seen avenue q a few months ago in NYC
734 2011-01-20 09:58:11 <lfm> you just look lazy
735 2011-01-20 09:58:37 <nameless> |I'm so lazy I make my airplane fly itself
736 2011-01-20 09:58:44 <sipa> nameless|: but i think the "is only for now" part is changed quite often
737 2011-01-20 09:59:00 <sipa> i know of a friend who saw it both in NYC and in London, and the song was different
738 2011-01-20 09:59:20 <nameless> |Well I would hope they would change the london production to be relevant to London
739 2011-01-20 09:59:24 <lfm> someone said theyd never trust a programmer that said he preferred a manual transmision to an automatic
740 2011-01-20 09:59:26 <nameless> |Anyway, I'm off to get coffee
741 2011-01-20 09:59:44 <nameless> |I prefer manual over automatic
742 2011-01-20 09:59:49 <ArtForz> I prefer manual
743 2011-01-20 09:59:49 <nameless> |Unless you're in traffic
744 2011-01-20 09:59:53 <ArtForz> yep
745 2011-01-20 10:00:05 <nameless> |You have a lot more control over a manual car
746 2011-01-20 10:00:11 <ArtForz> in traffic automatic is fucking awesome
747 2011-01-20 10:00:22 <sipa> it's rather uncommon here
748 2011-01-20 10:00:30 <nameless> |For instance, I can out run that semi that's riding my ass by downshifting on demand
749 2011-01-20 10:00:37 <noagendamarket> *can drive a syncromesh
750 2011-01-20 10:00:45 <sipa> since if you do your exam using an automatic one, you're only allowed to drive automatic transmission cars
751 2011-01-20 10:00:50 <ArtForz> same in .de
752 2011-01-20 10:00:54 <nameless> |I PREFER MY FUCKING SEGWAY!
753 2011-01-20 10:00:55 <sipa> so everyone learns to drive on a manual one
754 2011-01-20 10:00:56 <lfm> if you prefer manuals you will make your software too complicated with the excuse that its more efficient or better performance even if it takes more manpower
755 2011-01-20 10:00:58 <noagendamarket> heh
756 2011-01-20 10:01:05 <nameless> |lfm: false
757 2011-01-20 10:01:11 <noagendamarket> didnt the guy who owned the segway company run off a cliff?
758 2011-01-20 10:01:14 <nameless> |lfm: you are comparing cars to computers
759 2011-01-20 10:01:17 <noagendamarket> in a segway?
760 2011-01-20 10:01:25 <ArtForz> all-terrain segway
761 2011-01-20 10:01:38 <nameless> |noagendamarket: I don't know, google that shit
762 2011-01-20 10:01:47 <lfm> hang glider segway?
763 2011-01-20 10:02:00 <ArtForz> I like manual for mountain and winter driving, automatic for city and heavy traffic
764 2011-01-20 10:02:10 <ArtForz> manual RWD in winter = fun as hell
765 2011-01-20 10:28:28 <bitcoinz> hmzz my hashes suddenly dropped far below the million...i had to reset
766 2011-01-20 10:28:51 <bitcoinz> hi xelist :)
767 2011-01-20 10:29:09 <bitcoinz> private please
768 2011-01-20 10:29:15 <xelister> hi bitcoinz, mining going well? :)  ok
769 2011-01-20 10:39:17 <xelister> what happened to paying 50.00 with ballance 50.00 - it says innsufficient funds. For bitcoinz
770 2011-01-20 10:39:30 <xelister> and 49.99 works... why?  you normally do not pay 0.01 tx fee - or do you??
771 2011-01-20 10:39:41 <ArtForz> yeah, it's  weird
772 2011-01-20 10:39:48 <ArtForz> shouldnt happen
773 2011-01-20 10:40:02 <ArtForz> unless theres something reall weird with those 50.00
774 2011-01-20 10:40:16 <lfm> you have some fractional bitcents I suspect
775 2011-01-20 10:40:24 <ArtForz> even then it shouldnt happen
776 2011-01-20 10:40:25 <xelister> they where fresh mined - 1st block
777 2011-01-20 10:40:32 <xelister> afair, ask bitcoinz thou
778 2011-01-20 10:41:03 <lfm> satoshi put some special code in for fractional cents and it has odd side effects
779 2011-01-20 10:41:36 <xelister> perhaps this is why Yakuza is after him, lol
780 2011-01-20 10:41:54 <xelister> also, what eventually happened to Satoshi, still no word, still noone maintains the client?
781 2011-01-20 10:42:04 <ArtForz> yep, shouldnt happen
782 2011-01-20 10:42:05 <ArtForz> unless somehow that was a 49.99x block, but how the fuck could that happen?
783 2011-01-20 10:42:17 <ArtForz> no, it works as iontended
784 2011-01-20 10:42:41 <ArtForz> throws away sub-cent outputs if they'd cause a 0.01 fee
785 2011-01-20 10:42:43 <xelister> perhaps sending 49.9999999999 would worked, and he have there some mistake about rounding, and somehow ballance affter fxer needs to be > 0 like 0.00000001 ?
786 2011-01-20 10:42:45 <lfm> 50.001 type blocks make it so you cant spend 50.00 its how it works honest\n183057
787 2011-01-20 10:42:54 <bitcoinz> when i installed bitcoin they adviced me to put the fee on 0,01.. but i cannot open the client because i'm running bitcoind
788 2011-01-20 10:42:57 <ArtForz> thats just wrong
789 2011-01-20 10:43:21 <ArtForz> if you have 50.001, you can send 50.00 just fine, the 0.001 gets thrown away as fee
790 2011-01-20 10:43:25 <bitcoinz> guess when i reboot i can change it in the client
791 2011-01-20 10:43:30 <ArtForz> yep
792 2011-01-20 10:43:38 <ArtForz> change fee back to 0, it should work then
793 2011-01-20 10:43:57 <ArtForz> with min fee set to 0.01 it always tries to send a 0.01 fee
794 2011-01-20 10:44:02 <ArtForz> = you cant send your alst 50.00
795 2011-01-20 10:44:07 <bitcoinz> hmhm
796 2011-01-20 10:44:17 <bitcoinz> i'll change it soon
797 2011-01-20 10:44:30 <xelister> with fee 0.01, it means that recipient gets 49.99 and the 0.01 is still taken from sender account leaving sender with 50-49.99-0.01 = 0 ? (and 0.01 goes to some block founder)?
798 2011-01-20 10:44:44 <xelister> or is the fee only applied if there was big enough traffic that the fee was needed
799 2011-01-20 10:44:50 <ArtForz> no
800 2011-01-20 10:45:04 <ArtForz> if you set min fee, you always pay that fee
801 2011-01-20 10:45:11 <ArtForz> if you dont, you dont
802 2011-01-20 10:45:23 <xelister> ah ok
803 2011-01-20 10:45:44 <bitcoinz> strange that setup recommended the fee
804 2011-01-20 10:46:08 <ArtForz> yeah, thats.. .weird
805 2011-01-20 10:46:09 <bitcoinz> i just do what i'm told, LOL
806 2011-01-20 10:46:16 <ArtForz> of course miners will say thank you ;)
807 2011-01-20 10:46:17 <ArtForz> not really either unless theres tx spam going on
808 2011-01-20 10:46:17 <xelister> bitcoinz: well it speeds up the transactions you make afaik, right? well it is just like 1 cent
809 2011-01-20 10:46:26 <xelister> on other topic
810 2011-01-20 10:46:35 <xelister> so what is up with Satoshi and updates to bitcoin program
811 2011-01-20 10:46:40 <ArtForz> no clue
812 2011-01-20 10:46:51 <xelister> so there are no new versions?
813 2011-01-20 10:47:00 <ArtForz> not official ones, no
814 2011-01-20 10:47:10 <xelister> perhaps we should branch it
815 2011-01-20 10:47:13 <xelister> eventually
816 2011-01-20 10:47:15 <ArtForz> afaict gavin is maintaining a git "dev" branch
817 2011-01-20 10:47:21 <lfm> we may have to promote gavin or something
818 2011-01-20 10:47:28 <ArtForz> probably
819 2011-01-20 10:47:36 <xelister> e.g. what if in 6 months it turns out a protocol/rules level change is absolutelly needed, then everyone needs to agree on it (all clients)
820 2011-01-20 10:47:51 <ArtForz> hrrrm
821 2011-01-20 10:47:54 <xelister> perhaps there should be a commitet, like C++ commitet
822 2011-01-20 10:48:02 <xelister> but not like, NATO or FED commitet lol
823 2011-01-20 10:48:15 <ArtForz> shrug
824 2011-01-20 10:48:21 <ArtForz> currently it's not much of a problem
825 2011-01-20 10:48:35 <lfm> xelister why would you ever need 100% of net, 50% rules
826 2011-01-20 10:48:39 <xelister> but eventually.. it undermines belive in stability of the system if there is no leader
827 2011-01-20 10:49:20 <lfm> xelister bitcoin fundamental is not central authority, not even satoshi\n183099
828 2011-01-20 10:51:18 <ArtForz> correct me if i'm wrong, he's running bitcoin.org and regged the SF account
829 2011-01-20 10:51:27 <bitcoinz> it is just the central authorities we need to get rid of XD
830 2011-01-20 10:51:36 <xelister> lfm: yea but people need to agree on rules and network level protocol, otherwise BTC splits into separate currencies
831 2011-01-20 10:51:49 <ArtForz> the bigger currency would win
832 2011-01-20 10:51:55 <bitcoinz> cuz thay fuck up the world
833 2011-01-20 10:52:19 <bitcoinz> i understand that
834 2011-01-20 10:52:36 <bitcoinz> BTC should surely not split
835 2011-01-20 10:52:59 <ArtForz> for which-tx-are-valid rules that'd invalidate blocks, one side would probably get a majority of traders/markets, and that's that
836 2011-01-20 10:53:00 <bitcoinz> divide and conquerer is a bad habitute
837 2011-01-20 10:53:17 <xelister> yes
838 2011-01-20 10:53:37 <ArtForz> while the other chain might live on in a niche somewhere, it wont really do much
839 2011-01-20 10:54:32 <noagendamarket> doesnt satoshi have the gpg key that signs updates?
840 2011-01-20 10:54:36 <ArtForz> yep
841 2011-01-20 10:54:43 <ArtForz> errr... no
842 2011-01-20 10:54:49 <xelister> hmmm
843 2011-01-20 10:54:56 <ArtForz> you mean the private ECDSA key for signing network notifications
844 2011-01-20 10:54:56 <xelister> 49,99 sends 49.99 ?
845 2011-01-20 10:55:01 <noagendamarket> yah
846 2011-01-20 10:55:11 <ArtForz> easy enough to replace
847 2011-01-20 10:55:36 <ArtForz> I think I don't even have that enabled here
848 2011-01-20 10:55:37 <xelister> bitcoinz:  actually you sent just 49 not 49.99 , I think it must be 49.99 not 49,99  :P  well no problem, this can be fixed whenever
849 2011-01-20 10:55:47 <xelister> although the client should report bad number format.
850 2011-01-20 10:56:52 <xelister> it seems it just quietly interprets as much of number as possible
851 2011-01-20 10:57:02 <ArtForz> Bad number format! Abort/Retry/Cancel?
852 2011-01-20 10:57:05 <ArtForz> ;)
853 2011-01-20 10:57:17 <xelister> Abort? Yes/No/FileNotFound
854 2011-01-20 10:57:28 <ArtForz> Brillant!
855 2011-01-20 10:57:53 <dsg> xelister: It should interpret the number depending on locale, not all countries have the same rules for ,/.
856 2011-01-20 10:58:03 <xelister> dsg: this is stupid
857 2011-01-20 10:58:07 <dsg> This is the way it is.
858 2011-01-20 10:58:16 <xelister> to be more blunt, this is fucking stupid as fuck
859 2011-01-20 10:58:17 <dsg> It's stupid to force one countries rules where they don't apply.
860 2011-01-20 10:58:36 <dsg> xelister: I'm guessing you are from the US?
861 2011-01-20 10:58:52 <ArtForz> btw, wasnt that how someone fixed the problem of users just clicking OK on a error message (and then having no clue what it said when calling support)? replacing OK on the error dialog with Abort/Retry/Ignore/Cancel/Yes/No/KickDog/42/...
862 2011-01-20 10:58:52 <xelister> no sir Im not from USA
863 2011-01-20 10:58:57 <bitcoinz> i already sent 49,99 Art
864 2011-01-20 10:59:05 <xelister> ;)
865 2011-01-20 10:59:14 <xelister> dsg: it should alway just use same format like 49.99
866 2011-01-20 10:59:21 <xelister> and not reply on stupid local!!! wtf man
867 2011-01-20 10:59:26 <xelister> *rely
868 2011-01-20 10:59:33 <dsg> No, it should use LC_NUMERIC like POSIX says, damnit.
869 2011-01-20 10:59:38 <ArtForz> why even use decimal format at all?
870 2011-01-20 10:59:43 <xelister> otherwise you can not code programs correctly and portable, and shit works on one computer but not another... brrr
871 2011-01-20 10:59:52 <dsg> Or is this an LC_MONETARY thing?
872 2011-01-20 10:59:55 <dsg> Not sure
873 2011-01-20 11:00:00 <xelister> ArtForz: then what else?  value and divider? sucks
874 2011-01-20 11:00:08 <ArtForz> base units, duh
875 2011-01-20 11:00:41 <xelister> dsg: of cours not
876 2011-01-20 11:00:56 <dsg> *facepalm*
877 2011-01-20 11:01:13 <xelister> dsg: what the fuck ;)
878 2011-01-20 11:01:18 <ArtForz> so just send 5000000000
879 2011-01-20 11:01:21 <dsg> ArtForz: Ah, I could get behind that
880 2011-01-20 11:01:23 <xelister> using locale in PROTOCOLS and APIs is just fucking stupid
881 2011-01-20 11:01:24 <dsg> With sane SI prefixes
882 2011-01-20 11:01:24 <lfm> LC_MONETARY would be for the local currency, it should not be used for btc
883 2011-01-20 11:01:24 <xelister> locale should be when there is human interaction, like in the GUI. not in rpc
884 2011-01-20 11:01:25 <dsg> xelister: Uh, who's talking protocol?
885 2011-01-20 11:01:27 <dsg> Sorry, I may have misunderstood.
886 2011-01-20 11:01:30 <ArtForz> yep
887 2011-01-20 11:01:31 <xelister> dsg: Im talking ~/bitcoin foo bar  which is basically like using RPC
888 2011-01-20 11:01:33 <ArtForz> RPC shouldnt depend on locale
889 2011-01-20 11:01:36 <ArtForz> yep
890 2011-01-20 11:01:38 <dsg> Of course protocol should not depend on locale. I think we have a misunderstanding here. :)
891 2011-01-20 11:01:39 <xelister> cli commands are just simularing rpc to not type like   wget ..... stuff
892 2011-01-20 11:01:51 <bitcoinz> yeah i wasn't sure about using a dot or comma
893 2011-01-20 11:02:00 <bitcoinz> lol
894 2011-01-20 11:02:03 <xelister> =)
895 2011-01-20 11:02:09 <ArtForz> RPC reports everything with .s, so .s it is
896 2011-01-20 11:02:22 <ArtForz> wel, mine doesn't
897 2011-01-20 11:02:37 <ArtForz> I just use base units
898 2011-01-20 11:03:22 <bitcoinz> hmm better
899 2011-01-20 11:04:03 <ArtForz> yeah, my patchset is getting kinda... unwieldy
900 2011-01-20 11:04:41 <bitcoinz> how do i exchange my BC for babies? xd
901 2011-01-20 11:04:57 <bitcoinz> (i am not stoned)
902 2011-01-20 11:05:06 <bitcoinz> :P
903 2011-01-20 11:05:08 <ArtForz> btw, just noticed another thing mainline should probably add
904 2011-01-20 11:05:21 <xelister> baby what?
905 2011-01-20 11:05:28 <xelister> :P
906 2011-01-20 11:05:30 <ArtForz> if you're mining, your own transactions get priority
907 2011-01-20 11:06:06 <xelister> - ohhh look its a basket! and tere is a baby in it!   <bender> baby what?    o-<   *buuum*
908 2011-01-20 11:06:14 <xelister> o-)
909 2011-01-20 11:06:15 <ArtForz> so a baby seal walks into a club...
910 2011-01-20 11:06:59 <bitcoinz> and then?
911 2011-01-20 11:07:20 <xelister> warranty is void?
912 2011-01-20 11:08:29 <ArtForz> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_clubbing
913 2011-01-20 11:09:01 <noagendamarket> lolwat
914 2011-01-20 11:09:35 <noagendamarket> Probably the same place you can buy a kidney for bitcoins
915 2011-01-20 11:10:41 <xelister> so, mexico?
916 2011-01-20 11:11:48 <xelister> Mexico. More then 2 fammily members kidnaped? With this cupon you get -500 BTC when bailing out 2 or more. Check out website for other hot deals
917 2011-01-20 11:13:44 <xelister> we should get 5 of this cupons and ask Yakuza about satoshi alraedy
918 2011-01-20 11:18:45 <lfm> coupons?
919 2011-01-20 11:19:08 <xelister> yea
920 2011-01-20 11:25:53 <andrew12> school sux
921 2011-01-20 11:27:31 <LobsterMan> ;;bc.stats
922 2011-01-20 11:27:32 <gribble> Error: "bc.stats" is not a valid command.
923 2011-01-20 11:27:37 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,stats
924 2011-01-20 11:27:39 <gribble> Current Blocks: 103639 | Current Difficulty: 18437.64439217 | Next Difficulty At Block: 104831 | Next Difficulty In: 1192 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 2 hours, 51 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 21461.84631067
925 2011-01-20 11:32:01 <bitcoinz> stupid difficulty
926 2011-01-20 11:32:39 <bitcoinz> thats the only thing i dont like with bc
927 2011-01-20 11:33:00 <noagendamarket> Its not meant to be easy :)
928 2011-01-20 11:34:32 <bitcoinz> well...if it keep raising...mining will morely occur in countries with very low energy prices :(
929 2011-01-20 11:34:39 <andrew12> quick! modify the code so we can set a network id or something ridiculous
930 2011-01-20 11:34:52 <andrew12> 255 separate bitcoin networks
931 2011-01-20 11:34:57 <andrew12> :P
932 2011-01-20 11:36:03 <bitcoinz> it will become unprofitable in western countries like holland paying 25 cent kw/h
933 2011-01-20 11:36:05 <dsg> Selling region 5 bitcoins at 37 ISK... :P
934 2011-01-20 11:37:15 <bitcoinz> ISK?
935 2011-01-20 11:37:58 <noagendamarket> where is the cheapest electrical prices in the world?
936 2011-01-20 11:38:09 <bitcoinz> like canada
937 2011-01-20 11:38:12 <andrew12> noagendamarket: solar power :P
938 2011-01-20 11:38:18 <bitcoinz> 7 cent kw/h
939 2011-01-20 11:38:19 <xelister> chernobyl? :P