1 2011-01-21 00:05:44 <andrew12^mac> ;;bc,blocks
  2 2011-01-21 00:05:45 <gribble> 103743
  3 2011-01-21 00:32:37 <presence> so does the rpcminer-cuda implement new features in the cuda code thats specific to the gtx4xx series?  I am just baffled...
  4 2011-01-21 00:33:10 <Kiba> we got a press hit from the EFF
  5 2011-01-21 00:35:30 <andrew12^mac> eff?
  6 2011-01-21 00:35:57 <Kiba> Electronic Frontier Foundation
  7 2011-01-21 00:36:10 <Cusipzzz> they take btc donations
  8 2011-01-21 00:36:17 <Kiba> they accept bitcoin because of the extensive effort by the community in a letter writing campaign
  9 2011-01-21 00:36:33 <presence> and why wouldnt they
 10 2011-01-21 00:37:01 <ineedmoney> tax-free
 11 2011-01-21 00:37:02 <Cusipzzz> you can stalk their address on bbe, they haven't changed it.. some decent sized donations
 12 2011-01-21 00:37:03 <andrew12^mac> cool!
 13 2011-01-21 00:37:03 <ineedmoney> good way to get raided!
 14 2011-01-21 00:37:14 <noagendamarket> heh
 15 2011-01-21 00:37:24 <ineedmoney> right?
 16 2011-01-21 00:37:26 <ineedmoney> noagendamarket:
 17 2011-01-21 00:37:31 <noagendamarket> that would really stir something up
 18 2011-01-21 00:37:37 <ineedmoney> noagendamarket: most unfortunate.
 19 2011-01-21 00:37:40 <presence> why would they get raided?
 20 2011-01-21 00:37:49 <ineedmoney> presence: don't ask silly questions
 21 2011-01-21 00:38:00 <andrew12^mac> it's a valid question
 22 2011-01-21 00:38:07 <Kiba> well
 23 2011-01-21 00:38:09 <ineedmoney> not for me to answer.
 24 2011-01-21 00:38:11 <Kiba> they accepted bitcoin
 25 2011-01-21 00:38:12 <Kiba> so what?
 26 2011-01-21 00:38:12 <presence> because they dont pay taxes?
 27 2011-01-21 00:38:14 <andrew12^mac> hen don't answer it ;)
 28 2011-01-21 00:38:22 <presence> they dont consider it as income?
 29 2011-01-21 00:38:30 <andrew12^mac> then*
 30 2011-01-21 00:38:46 <Cusipzzz> they are 501(c), they don't pay taxes
 31 2011-01-21 00:38:48 <presence> they are 501c3
 32 2011-01-21 00:38:55 <presence> this is my point
 33 2011-01-21 00:39:00 <presence> no reason they should get raided
 34 2011-01-21 00:39:08 <ineedmoney> a law can get changed in milliseconds
 35 2011-01-21 00:39:18 <presence> with tax law, it happens all the time
 36 2011-01-21 00:39:24 <presence> but as it is, I dont think its illegal
 37 2011-01-21 00:39:27 <Cusipzzz> but do they issue receipts for btc donations so we can write it off =)
 38 2011-01-21 00:39:29 <ineedmoney> IRS, lol
 39 2011-01-21 00:39:33 <ineedmoney> have you seen the IRS tax code book?
 40 2011-01-21 00:39:39 <presence> now mining bitcoins, doing trades for USD, and then not claiming that, could be squirrely
 41 2011-01-21 00:39:41 <ineedmoney> like 5000 pages of "derp derp derp derp derp"
 42 2011-01-21 00:39:45 <presence> but Im no tax lawer
 43 2011-01-21 00:39:49 <ineedmoney> presence: I am
 44 2011-01-21 00:39:52 <noagendamarket> the irs couldnt find a bitcoin if its ass was on fire
 45 2011-01-21 00:39:54 <noagendamarket> lol
 46 2011-01-21 00:39:59 <ineedmoney> noagendamarket: true
 47 2011-01-21 00:40:11 <ineedmoney> noagendamarket: it isn't really US feds that I'm concerned with.
 48 2011-01-21 00:40:11 <presence> until it turns into usd, I dont think its taxable
 49 2011-01-21 00:40:12 <CyanDynamo> i think a lot of things woul dbe tough if you're ass was on fire
 50 2011-01-21 00:40:18 <CyanDynamo> your*
 51 2011-01-21 00:40:19 <presence> its like growing seeds
 52 2011-01-21 00:40:22 <presence> or digging up gems
 53 2011-01-21 00:40:27 <presence> its worth nothing until you sell it
 54 2011-01-21 00:40:37 <ineedmoney> gems, eh?
 55 2011-01-21 00:40:42 <presence> well
 56 2011-01-21 00:40:46 <noagendamarket> untill you realise a capital
 57 2011-01-21 00:40:50 <noagendamarket> gain
 58 2011-01-21 00:40:53 <presence> if you find a gem in your backyard, whats it worth
 59 2011-01-21 00:41:00 <presence> are you responsible for it before its found?
 60 2011-01-21 00:41:10 <presence> And if it IS found, what value is it until its bought or sold?
 61 2011-01-21 00:41:28 <ineedmoney> presence: men with guns disagree.
 62 2011-01-21 00:41:39 <ineedmoney> noagendamarket: men in blue constumes.
 63 2011-01-21 00:41:45 <presence> So this has happened?
 64 2011-01-21 00:41:52 <presence> someone got raided for bitcoins?
 65 2011-01-21 00:42:01 <ineedmoney> you just did
 66 2011-01-21 00:42:06 <Cusipzzz> i think ruby ridge was about bitcoins.. and waco.
 67 2011-01-21 00:42:16 <ineedmoney> presence: check your wallet.
 68 2011-01-21 00:42:27 <presence> what about it
 69 2011-01-21 00:42:36 <ineedmoney> presence: it's empty.
 70 2011-01-21 00:42:55 <presence> Is it now?
 71 2011-01-21 00:43:03 <ineedmoney> look at that big fat 0
 72 2011-01-21 00:43:12 <presence> someone made a whole $12?
 73 2011-01-21 00:43:27 <Kiba> EFF sets off the retweet wave!
 74 2011-01-21 00:43:37 <Cusipzzz> Kiba: linky
 75 2011-01-21 00:43:44 <ineedmoney> hi molecular
 76 2011-01-21 00:43:47 <Kiba> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/01/bitcoin-step-toward-censorship-resistant
 77 2011-01-21 00:45:12 <MT`AwAy> GAH!
 78 2011-01-21 00:46:19 <Cusipzzz> kiba: thx
 79 2011-01-21 00:46:38 <ineedmoney> facebooked
 80 2011-01-21 00:47:39 <molecular> hey ineedmoney
 81 2011-01-21 00:47:40 <presence> I need a portable bitcoin install
 82 2011-01-21 00:48:32 <ineedmoney> presence: true that, workin on it
 83 2011-01-21 00:50:12 <Kiba> WE are rebels! And capitalism is our revolutionary tool.
 84 2011-01-21 00:50:46 <Cusipzzz> decent press hit...what's the twittersphere saying ?
 85 2011-01-21 00:50:49 <presence> well, at least the pool miners can be portable
 86 2011-01-21 00:50:50 <ineedmoney> Kiba: revolutionary idea
 87 2011-01-21 00:51:55 <Kiba> Cusipzzz: a whole lot of retweets!
 88 2011-01-21 00:52:04 <Cusipzzz> Kiba: nice
 89 2011-01-21 00:52:13 <Cusipzzz> no wonder back to .39, lol
 90 2011-01-21 00:52:22 <ineedmoney> 14d1F61Qtmig8BxuFmoR7zswQjgjGCzNrv donations plz
 91 2011-01-21 00:52:27 <Kiba> Cusipzzz: I think that's a coincidence
 92 2011-01-21 00:52:28 <presence> regedit
 93 2011-01-21 00:52:55 <lfm> presence try mybitcoin.com on a browser?
 94 2011-01-21 00:53:39 <lfm> ineedmoney why?
 95 2011-01-21 00:55:38 <ineedmoney> I need a few very small transactions to take place.
 96 2011-01-21 00:55:46 <lfm> why?
 97 2011-01-21 00:56:03 <ineedmoney> lfm: experiment.
 98 2011-01-21 00:56:13 <lfm> more specificlly why should I do it? not why do you want it
 99 2011-01-21 00:56:24 <ineedmoney> because it's 0.01
100 2011-01-21 00:57:04 <ineedmoney> or less
101 2011-01-21 00:58:45 <noagendamarket> woo twitter bomb
102 2011-01-21 00:58:47 <Kiba> tcatm: are you going to transits to Operation Fabulous?
103 2011-01-21 00:59:00 <Kiba> let dance in the twitter rain!
104 2011-01-21 01:01:28 <ineedmoney> faux news
105 2011-01-21 01:03:23 <andrew12> ^ nini
106 2011-01-21 01:49:47 <newsham> which kermit?
107 2011-01-21 01:59:52 <Kiba> whcih hermit?
108 2011-01-21 02:07:45 <necrodearia> Does anyone live in Spain?
109 2011-01-21 02:11:14 <Kiba> necrodearia: no
110 2011-01-21 02:11:30 <necrodearia> woo, I shall be the first to go and live there!
111 2011-01-21 02:13:47 <Kiba> hmm?
112 2011-01-21 02:13:52 <Kiba> moving to Spain?
113 2011-01-21 03:26:55 <lfm> lfmbbn
114 2011-01-21 03:27:12 <lfm> wrong window
115 2011-01-21 04:03:31 <noagendamarket> *falls asleep
116 2011-01-21 05:06:47 <andrew12^mac> ;;nick
117 2011-01-21 05:06:48 <gribble> Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
118 2011-01-21 05:06:51 <andrew12^mac> heh
119 2011-01-21 05:09:17 <lfm> ;;bc,stats
120 2011-01-21 05:09:20 <gribble> Current Blocks: 103782 | Current Difficulty: 18437.64439217 | Next Difficulty At Block: 104831 | Next Difficulty In: 1049 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 3 hours, 9 minutes, and 5 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 21933.91464218
121 2011-01-21 05:30:52 <andrew12^mac> someone make a bitcoin rpm .-.
122 2011-01-21 05:34:29 <luke-jr> andrew12^mac: RPM ftl :p
123 2011-01-21 05:37:25 <andrew12^mac> i agree
124 2011-01-21 05:37:36 <andrew12^mac> but unfortunately its all i can use
125 2011-01-21 05:37:55 <luke-jr> x.x
126 2011-01-21 05:38:54 <andrew12^mac> but
127 2011-01-21 05:39:12 <andrew12^mac> i have access to another box with archlinux
128 2011-01-21 05:39:59 <andrew12^mac> and like
129 2011-01-21 05:40:13 <andrew12^mac> sudo clyde -S bitcoin && ??? && profit
130 2011-01-21 05:41:10 <llama> anybody interested in selling me some bitcoins?
131 2011-01-21 05:41:47 <andrew12^mac> llama: #bitcoin-otc
132 2011-01-21 05:41:51 <luke-jr> llama: depends on what you want to pay
133 2011-01-21 05:42:05 <llama> thanks
134 2011-01-21 05:42:05 <luke-jr> I'll do it for USD 0.45 ea
135 2011-01-21 05:42:07 <luke-jr> :p
136 2011-01-21 05:42:13 <llama> nah
137 2011-01-21 05:42:17 <llama> mtgox last price
138 2011-01-21 05:42:19 <llama> .368
139 2011-01-21 05:42:24 <luke-jr> nah
140 2011-01-21 05:42:33 <luke-jr> rather just keep mine
141 2011-01-21 05:58:14 <dooglus> bitcoin takes up to a minute to start up for me on this oldish laptop
142 2011-01-21 05:58:18 <dooglus> is that common?
143 2011-01-21 05:58:35 <lfm> ya sounds ok to me
144 2011-01-21 05:58:44 <dooglus> it's in CTxDB::LoadBlockIndex() for most of that time
145 2011-01-21 05:59:05 <lfm> kinda depends how long since you last run it
146 2011-01-21 05:59:23 <dooglus> if I quit and restart immediately, it's just as slow still
147 2011-01-21 05:59:40 <lfm> ok that sounds like its your slow disk drive
148 2011-01-21 05:59:41 <dooglus> has anyone looked into speeding it up?
149 2011-01-21 05:59:58 <dooglus> interesting.  I didn't check whether it was CPU or IO bound
150 2011-01-21 06:00:22 <lfm> some laptops have very slow low power disk drives
151 2011-01-21 06:01:18 <dooglus> funny thing is, if I give the -loadblockindextest command line option, it loads the block index very quickly
152 2011-01-21 06:01:30 <dooglus> so I don't understand - yet
153 2011-01-21 06:01:42 <dooglus> and was wondering if it's worth persuing, or whather someone's been down this road before
154 2011-01-21 06:01:47 <dooglus> whether*
155 2011-01-21 06:05:47 <lfm> that option isnt documented?
156 2011-01-21 06:05:54 <dooglus> right
157 2011-01-21 06:06:00 <dooglus> lots aren't, it seems
158 2011-01-21 06:06:18 <lfm> are you on linux or microsoft?
159 2011-01-21 06:06:21 <dooglus> I'm in the process of adding them
160 2011-01-21 06:06:22 <dooglus> linux
161 2011-01-21 06:06:34 <dooglus> but wanted to understand them first...  hence my experimentation
162 2011-01-21 06:07:08 <lfm> oh they maybe undocumented cuz they are unfinished and cause probl;ems
163 2011-01-21 06:07:37 <dooglus> that's what the old man page says
164 2011-01-21 06:07:52 <dooglus> http://www.bitcoin.org/wiki/doku.php?id=man_page
165 2011-01-21 06:08:07 <lfm> you you may have messed up your index with your experimentation
166 2011-01-21 06:08:26 <dooglus> I made a backup first
167 2011-01-21 06:08:47 <dooglus> and it does seem that if I run it twice very quickly, the 2nd run is very fast
168 2011-01-21 06:08:56 <lfm> so its till slow if you restore from your backup?
169 2011-01-21 06:09:00 <dooglus> so I guess it is a case of having the index in my disk cache
170 2011-01-21 06:09:15 <lfm> how much ram on your machine?
171 2011-01-21 06:09:44 <dooglus> 1GB
172 2011-01-21 06:10:47 <ArtForz> it should print times for a couple of startup steps in debug.log
173 2011-01-21 06:10:59 <dooglus> right
174 2011-01-21 06:11:56 <dooglus> I see:
175 2011-01-21 06:12:06 <dooglus> that's 61 seconds...
176 2011-01-21 06:12:08 <ArtForz> oi!
177 2011-01-21 06:12:10 <ArtForz> yeah
178 2011-01-21 06:12:17 <ArtForz> thats.. .weird
179 2011-01-21 06:12:46 <dooglus> but it's variable:
180 2011-01-21 06:13:00 <dooglus> (those are line numbers in debug.log)
181 2011-01-21 06:13:15 <ArtForz> hurrrm
182 2011-01-21 06:13:28 <ArtForz> is -blockindextest always fast or also variable?
183 2011-01-21 06:14:15 <ArtForz> err
184 2011-01-21 06:14:15 <dooglus> I think blockindextest was fast because it loads the block index immediately without doing all the addresses & wallet stuff, and so was able to leave the block index in the file cache from the previous run
185 2011-01-21 06:14:36 <ArtForz> well, it uses a different file mode from normal block index loading
186 2011-01-21 06:14:46 <dooglus> it does?
187 2011-01-21 06:14:47 <ArtForz> shouldnt matter really
188 2011-01-21 06:14:50 <ArtForz> yeah
189 2011-01-21 06:15:21 <lfm> does it matter if you use -gen=0 ?
190 2011-01-21 06:15:22 <ArtForz> shouldnt matter though
191 2011-01-21 06:16:26 <dooglus> I never use -gen - I use slush's pool
192 2011-01-21 06:16:38 <ArtForz> wallet loading/... shouldnt really cause enough mem consumption to push the whole thing out of memory
193 2011-01-21 06:17:04 <lfm> how large is wallet.dat?
194 2011-01-21 06:17:18 <dooglus> only 131k
195 2011-01-21 06:17:49 <dooglus> I think it was running make between runs of bitcoin that pushed the file out of cache...
196 2011-01-21 06:18:18 <ArtForz> yeah, thats quite possible
197 2011-01-21 06:18:31 <ArtForz> still, thats really really slow
198 2011-01-21 06:18:43 <dooglus> how big should blkindex.dat be?
199 2011-01-21 06:19:03 <dooglus> blk0001.dat holds the blocks themselves, and is 67Mb here
200 2011-01-21 06:19:24 <ArtForz> blkindex here is ~54MB
201 2011-01-21 06:19:24 <lfm> well ya gcc is a bit of a pig but still 60 sec seems a bit much, i get  block index            1713ms
202 2011-01-21 06:19:26 <dooglus> blkindex.dat is 55Mb here - seems large if it's meant to just be an index?
203 2011-01-21 06:19:43 <ArtForz> iirc it also contains all unspent transactions
204 2011-01-21 06:20:24 <lfm> same size as blkindex here
205 2011-01-21 06:20:40 <dooglus> ok, so this proves it:
206 2011-01-21 06:20:50 <dooglus> I run make, then start bitcoin, and it's very slow loading the block index
207 2011-01-21 06:21:03 <dooglus> then I "md5sum ~/.bitcoin/blkindex.dat", and retry, and it starts almost immediately
208 2011-01-21 06:21:13 <dooglus> so just getting the index into file cache solves the problem
209 2011-01-21 06:21:22 <ArtForz> yep
210 2011-01-21 06:21:22 <dooglus> also, that md5sum runs in about a second
211 2011-01-21 06:21:35 <ArtForz> looks like a problem of BDB doing lots of random access
212 2011-01-21 06:21:51 <ArtForz> normally FS readahead should reduce that a lot
213 2011-01-21 06:22:36 <dooglus> I put a debug print in CTxDB::LoadBlockIndex() to show a message every 1000 blocks loaded.  it starts slow, and speeds up gradually
214 2011-01-21 06:22:45 <dooglus> I guess as more and more of the file is in RAM
215 2011-01-21 06:22:49 <ArtForz> yep
216 2011-01-21 06:23:24 <ArtForz> but again, FS readahead normally makes each read at least 256KiB, so whole thing should be in ram after max. of 400 or so seeks
217 2011-01-21 06:23:25 <dooglus> is there some command in linux to flush the file cache?
218 2011-01-21 06:23:45 <ArtForz> at 10ms/seek thats 4s, not 60
219 2011-01-21 06:24:27 <ArtForz> whats your FS readahead set to?
220 2011-01-21 06:24:42 <dooglus> um...
221 2011-01-21 06:24:53 <dooglus> where's that?
222 2011-01-21 06:25:34 <ArtForz> /sys/block/sda/queue/read_ahead_kb
223 2011-01-21 06:26:09 <ArtForz> hd[a..] on older linuxes for ata drives
224 2011-01-21 06:26:15 <dooglus> 128
225 2011-01-21 06:26:20 <ArtForz> thats ok
226 2011-01-21 06:27:00 <ArtForz> hurrrm... really weird
227 2011-01-21 06:27:59 <dooglus> so I'll just alias 'bitcoin' to 'md5sum ...; bitcoin' and the problem goes away for me
228 2011-01-21 06:28:07 <ArtForz> yeah
229 2011-01-21 06:28:20 <ArtForz> wonder if stuff like this also is a problem with other DB files
230 2011-01-21 06:28:43 <lfm> bdb might fsck with read ahead or something
231 2011-01-21 06:29:02 <ArtForz> yeah... wonder if BDB does something stupid like setting O_DIRECT or something
232 2011-01-21 06:31:01 <ArtForz> as even with "only" 128KiB readahead, random-reading a 60MiB file shouldnt take 60s
233 2011-01-21 06:31:57 <ArtForz> should be <10s even on a slowass 4200rpm 2.5"
234 2011-01-21 06:32:22 <dooglus> it's a laptop, so it'll be 2.5"
235 2011-01-21 06:32:28 <ArtForz> yeah
236 2011-01-21 06:33:39 <dooglus> seems it's "product: FUJITSU MHY2120B"
237 2011-01-21 06:34:39 <DjeZAeL> hey, can we run bitcoin on arm ?
238 2011-01-21 06:34:45 <ArtForz> thats a 5400rpm 12ms seek drive
239 2011-01-21 06:35:12 <dooglus> ok
240 2011-01-21 06:35:32 <ArtForz> guess we could add some code to first do a linear read to preload caches, but that feels *very* hackish
241 2011-01-21 06:36:12 <dooglus> doesn't it :)
242 2011-01-21 06:36:27 <dooglus> DjeZAeL: I don't see why not
243 2011-01-21 06:36:39 <DjeZAeL> ok
244 2011-01-21 06:36:43 <ArtForz> arm is LE, so should work fine
245 2011-01-21 06:37:07 <lfm> djezael someone is working on arm android, not sure if its useable really yet
246 2011-01-21 06:37:14 <DjeZAeL> fine in the sens that it wikk compute rather fast ?
247 2011-01-21 06:37:18 <ArtForz> well, at least most OSes use it LE
248 2011-01-21 06:37:37 <DjeZAeL> will*
249 2011-01-21 06:38:01 <DjeZAeL> anyway it was just a question
250 2011-01-21 06:39:46 <ArtForz> theres endianness assumptions all over the place, so porting to a BE arch would be a major undertaking
251 2011-01-21 06:40:07 <luke-jr> ArtForz: meh, just use QBitcoin instead
252 2011-01-21 06:40:10 <dooglus> I notice I'm using libdb4.7.  will try libdb5.1 and see if it's better
253 2011-01-21 06:40:22 <luke-jr> dooglus: I wouldn't.
254 2011-01-21 06:40:27 <dooglus> no?  ok
255 2011-01-21 06:40:30 <luke-jr> tiem for me to go, ttyll
256 2011-01-21 06:44:14 <lfm> ok when I shut down then make bitcoin from clean then start up I get  block index            4268ms
257 2011-01-21 06:45:25 <lfm> dooglus can you try downloded binary to see if it is some odd version you are linking?
258 2011-01-21 06:51:03 <dooglus> lfm: sure
259 2011-01-21 06:51:23 <dooglus> lfm: I think I remember the official binary being slow to start up too, but I will try it
260 2011-01-21 06:55:47 <dooglus> Loading block index...
261 2011-01-21 06:56:15 <dooglus> (it's slow)
262 2011-01-21 06:56:32 <lfm> ok thats odd
263 2011-01-21 06:56:45 <dooglus> LoadBlockIndex(): hashBestChain=00000000000185f734a0  height=103790
264 2011-01-21 06:57:01 <dooglus> and that was from running ~/Programs/bitcoin-0.3.19/bin/32/bitcoin - the pre-built binary
265 2011-01-21 06:59:19 <dooglus> if I quit and restart, I see:  block index            3387ms
266 2011-01-21 07:07:07 <lfm> what cpu is it?
267 2011-01-21 07:15:05 <dooglus> model nameless| : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual-Core Processor TK-55
268 2011-01-21 07:15:30 <dooglus> weird.  there was no 'less|' in the text I copied
269 2011-01-21 07:15:55 <dooglus> oh, there was a tab.  nick completion...
270 2011-01-21 07:16:32 <dooglus> each core has: cpu MHz: 1600.000
271 2011-01-21 09:40:50 <UukGoblin> is there a pool still running somewhere?
272 2011-01-21 09:41:09 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,stats
273 2011-01-21 09:41:11 <gribble> Current Blocks: 103819 | Current Difficulty: 18437.64439217 | Next Difficulty At Block: 104831 | Next Difficulty In: 1011 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 21 hours, 15 minutes, and 33 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 22020.28147639
274 2011-01-21 09:42:03 <sipa> UukGoblin: mining.bitcoin.cz
275 2011-01-21 09:42:09 <sipa> ;;bc,poolstats
276 2011-01-21 09:42:10 <gribble> {"round_probability": 69.290000000000006, "hashes_ps": 21880892660, "shares": 21769, "active_workers": 359, "round_duration": "1:11:13", "round_started": "2011-01-21 09:30:57", "getwork_ps": 109}
277 2011-01-21 09:43:34 <davout> howdy
278 2011-01-21 09:44:00 <UukGoblin> sipa, thanks
279 2011-01-21 10:15:14 <niekie> Fiddling, eh?
280 2011-01-21 10:15:41 <davout> ssh tunneling my way out of stupid work restrictions and smartass IT admins :)
281 2011-01-21 10:16:11 <davout> getting git to work transparently over an ssh tunnel was the "hard" part :)
282 2011-01-21 10:25:49 <niekie> Ah, always fun :)
283 2011-01-21 11:35:49 <andrew12> wee
284 2011-01-21 11:51:37 <necrodearia> Woo http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Bram-Cohen-P2P-Live-Streaming-BitTorrent-peer-to-peer,news-9788.html
285 2011-01-21 11:58:26 <xelister> wazup fellow terrorists
286 2011-01-21 11:58:36 <xelister> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-jdDE6bFow  <-- stupid americans haha democracy in action ;)
287 2011-01-21 12:11:04 <UukGoblin> heh just had a call from rackspace asking me why I stopped buying their servers :-]
288 2011-01-21 12:11:17 <UukGoblin> told him to go to bitcoin.org ;-]
289 2011-01-21 12:11:22 <andrew12^droid> Haha
290 2011-01-21 12:11:57 <andrew12^droid> UukGoblin: and?
291 2011-01-21 12:12:24 <andrew12^droid> It'd be cool if rackspace started accepting bitcoin
292 2011-01-21 12:12:39 <UukGoblin> and nothing really ;-] I basically rented their servers in mass when the revenue from CPU generated bitcoins was higher than their server cost
293 2011-01-21 12:12:44 <andrew12^droid> Because rackspace is like, serious dolla dolla billz y'all
294 2011-01-21 12:12:58 <UukGoblin> so paid them several hundred $ for 2 or 3 months and then shut everything down
295 2011-01-21 12:13:18 <UukGoblin> so a salesman called me to try to keep my business :-)
296 2011-01-21 12:13:32 <andrew12^droid> :)
297 2011-01-21 12:14:57 <sipa> and you said "well... i may want to stay with you if you can provide me with servers with Radeon HD 5970's in?"
298 2011-01-21 12:17:41 <UukGoblin> sipa, actually he didn't ask such a question so I didn't
299 2011-01-21 12:18:04 <UukGoblin> but now I regret that ;-]
300 2011-01-21 12:18:32 <UukGoblin> but, you know, amazon's EC2 cluster GPU instances /are/ provided, but are ridiculously overspec'd and too expensive
301 2011-01-21 12:19:40 <sipa> and nvidia tesla
302 2011-01-21 12:19:49 <sipa> which isn't very optimal for bitcoin mining
303 2011-01-21 12:19:55 <UukGoblin> yeah
304 2011-01-21 12:21:33 <UukGoblin> thing is, radeons hd5970 aren't well-suited for server applications
305 2011-01-21 12:24:03 <UukGoblin> the teslas have very nice coolers
306 2011-01-21 12:35:53 <ArtForz> ?
307 2011-01-21 12:36:36 <ArtForz> if you dont put em right next to each other, 5970s have no problem staying <75???C at full load
308 2011-01-21 12:37:19 <ArtForz> desktop 5970s have "quiet but hot" fan profiles
309 2011-01-21 12:40:28 <UukGoblin> oh didn't know that
310 2011-01-21 12:40:49 <ArtForz> normal auto fan profile never goes >60%
311 2011-01-21 12:41:07 <UukGoblin> oh.
312 2011-01-21 12:41:41 <UukGoblin> yeah, I did not know that, thanks :-]
313 2011-01-21 13:26:47 <gribble> 18437.64439217
314 2011-01-21 13:26:47 <zorg987> ;;bc,diff
315 2011-01-21 13:26:59 <gribble> 103847
316 2011-01-21 13:26:59 <zorg987> ;;bc,blocks
317 2011-01-21 13:27:10 <gribble> Error: "bc,bctex" is not a valid command.
318 2011-01-21 13:27:10 <zorg987> ;;bc,bctex
319 2011-01-21 13:27:17 <zorg987> ;;bc,btcex
320 2011-01-21 13:27:18 <gribble> '[\n  {\n    "currency": "WMR",\n    "currency_name": "WebMoney RUB",\n    "bid": "10.0003",\n    "ask": "12.0000",\n    "lastTradedPrice": "11.0000",\n    "lastTradedQuantity": "1.06",\n    "last24HrsTradedQuantity": "0"\n  },\n  {\n    "currency": "JPY",\n    "currency_name": "Japanese yen",\n    "bid": "1.0000",\n    "ask": "20.0000",\n    "lastTradedPrice": "2.0000",\n (2 more messages)
321 2011-01-21 13:27:29 <gribble> 22027.05753834
322 2011-01-21 13:27:29 <zorg987> ;;bc,estimate
323 2011-01-21 13:27:45 <gribble> Alias bc,bcm, Alias bc,blocks, Alias bc,btcex, Alias bc,calc, Alias bc,calcd, Alias bc,diff, Alias bc,estimate, Alias bc,help, Alias bc,hextarget, Alias bc,labs, Alias bc,lbs, Alias bc,markets, Alias bc,mtgox, Alias bc,nexttarget, Alias bc,poolstats, Alias bc,stats, Alias bc,timetonext, Alias bc,totalbc, and Alias bc,wiki
324 2011-01-21 13:27:45 <zorg987> ;;bc,help
325 2011-01-21 13:28:06 <zorg987> ;;bc,poolstats
326 2011-01-21 13:28:07 <gribble> {"round_probability": 41.490000000000002, "hashes_ps": 21564314162, "shares": 9881, "active_workers": 360, "round_duration": "0:32:48", "round_started": "2011-01-21 13:55:19", "getwork_ps": 110}
327 2011-01-21 13:28:27 <zorg987> ;;bc,stats
328 2011-01-21 13:28:29 <gribble> Current Blocks: 103847 | Current Difficulty: 18437.64439217 | Next Difficulty At Block: 104831 | Next Difficulty In: 984 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 17 hours, 29 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 22027.05753834
329 2011-01-21 13:29:09 <zorg987> ;;bc,totalbc
330 2011-01-21 13:29:10 <gribble> 5192350.00000000
331 2011-01-21 14:04:37 <btcex> hi all!
332 2011-01-21 14:04:38 <EvanR-work> tcatm: heh, nice touch on the danger red google ads
333 2011-01-21 14:04:55 <btcex> what is sorting order on output of listtransactions?
334 2011-01-21 14:08:08 <jwalck> who edits the /trade page on bitcoin.org? Telecomix has been accepting donations since july 2010 but isn't on it.:)
335 2011-01-21 14:10:53 <Kiba> hey everyone
336 2011-01-21 14:11:15 <[Noodles]> jwalck: post to the forums, "We accept bitcoins" -> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=30.0 and it might be added to the trade page
337 2011-01-21 14:11:43 <[Noodles]> hey Kiba
338 2011-01-21 14:14:21 <jwalck> [Noodles]: check, I will.:)
339 2011-01-21 14:16:36 <Kiba> s/bitconi/bitcoin
340 2011-01-21 14:31:31 <ducki2p> hi jwalck :)
341 2011-01-21 14:32:32 <jwalck> hey duckie:)
342 2011-01-21 14:42:33 <btcex> gavinandresen: hi! what is sorting order on output of listtransactions?
343 2011-01-21 14:42:50 <btcex> in order of receiving transactions info?
344 2011-01-21 14:42:51 <gavinandresen> btcex: transaction time, oldest to newest.
345 2011-01-21 14:43:17 <btcex> gavinandresen: sorted by time or receiving order?
346 2011-01-21 14:43:43 <btcex> time can be faked, as I know
347 2011-01-21 14:43:45 <gavinandresen> Sorted just by time.
348 2011-01-21 14:43:56 <btcex> gavinandresen: ok, thx
349 2011-01-21 14:44:16 <gavinandresen> "receiving order" isn't stored anywhere, so I can't sort by it
350 2011-01-21 14:44:41 <btcex> can time be sudden change during work bitcoind?
351 2011-01-21 14:45:52 <btcex> I bring a list of transactions now, and happened to see that  transaction time has changed. Perhaps it seemed to me:)
352 2011-01-21 14:46:30 <gavinandresen> I'd have to stare at the code a while to answer that question-- I don't know off the top of my head.  If I recall correctly, time of sending transactions is always local machine time.  I'm not sure if receiving transactions' time changes.
353 2011-01-21 14:47:00 <btcex> gavinandresen: ok
354 2011-01-21 14:47:02 <gavinandresen> (receiving might change time-- if you see a txn on the network, I think it gets the time you see it, but when it gets into a block it takes on the block time)
355 2011-01-21 14:47:18 <gavinandresen> (... and if there is a block chain re-org, time may change again)
356 2011-01-21 14:47:59 <btcex> ok, thx
357 2011-01-21 14:53:03 <CIA-106> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * rae42d69 / README.md : Updated development process description - http://bit.ly/f0vtgv
358 2011-01-21 16:19:47 <grondilu> hum, a nice spike in bitcoin's value.  Again.
359 2011-01-21 16:20:15 <HackTheGibson> grondilu: as predicted
360 2011-01-21 16:20:33 <grondilu> predicted ?  what do you mean ?
361 2011-01-21 16:21:02 <theymos> Bitcoin Block Explorer now publishes RSS feeds for addresses. Example: http://blockexplorer.com/rssa/1Cvvr8AsCfbbVQ2xoWiFD1Gb2VRbGsEf28.xml Only transactions received by addresses are shown, since sends are mostly uncontrollable.
362 2011-01-21 16:21:27 <HackTheGibson> grondilu: I already predicted the expected growth of the currency
363 2011-01-21 16:22:02 <Kiba> HackTheGibson: then you should make some profit, no?
364 2011-01-21 16:22:09 <HackTheGibson> Kiba: done and done!
365 2011-01-21 16:22:55 <niekie> Might be because of https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/01/bitcoin-step-toward-censorship-resistant a little bit too :)
366 2011-01-21 16:23:41 <grondilu> what would you do if googl started its own block chain ?
367 2011-01-21 16:23:46 <HackTheGibson> niekie: true
368 2011-01-21 16:23:56 <HackTheGibson> grondilu: espionage
369 2011-01-21 16:24:40 <grondilu> ?
370 2011-01-21 16:27:05 <grondilu> Is there a graph of volumes somewhere ?
371 2011-01-21 16:27:49 <grondilu> I wonder if daily volumes of transaction increase as fast as the price
372 2011-01-21 16:30:54 <HackTheGibson> grondilu: mtgox has some
373 2011-01-21 16:30:59 <HackTheGibson> grondilu: but I made my own
374 2011-01-21 16:31:15 <HackTheGibson> grondilu: you want to look into long-term projections more so than the weekly wobble
375 2011-01-21 16:31:56 <grondilu> nah finally I'm too lazy to go find out.
376 2011-01-21 16:32:05 <HackTheGibson> 30BAAQH98:
377 2011-01-21 16:32:23 <HackTheGibson> makin' money
378 2011-01-21 17:04:17 <HackTheGibson> larsivi:
379 2011-01-21 17:04:32 <larsivi> HackTheGibson: ?
380 2011-01-21 17:04:43 <HackTheGibson> nice nick, reminds me of a friend of mine
381 2011-01-21 17:05:40 <larsivi> well, it is my name sortof - a concatenation of parts of it at least
382 2011-01-21 17:05:57 <HackTheGibson> elaborate?
383 2011-01-21 17:06:25 <larsivi> HackTheGibson: whois me
384 2011-01-21 17:06:55 <HackTheGibson> how are the bulk metal prices in your country?
385 2011-01-21 17:06:59 <HackTheGibson> especially for precious metals
386 2011-01-21 17:07:19 <larsivi> the same as elsewhere I assume? never buy bulk metal myself ...
387 2011-01-21 17:07:33 <HackTheGibson> larsivi: not the same as my country
388 2011-01-21 17:07:35 <HackTheGibson> oh jgarzik
389 2011-01-21 17:15:41 <HackTheGibson> BitCoinz: sup
390 2011-01-21 17:16:47 <BitCoinz> i'm his girl.. got disconnected i think
391 2011-01-21 17:17:02 <BitCoinz> the channel is in red..
392 2011-01-21 17:17:07 <HackTheGibson> no u
393 2011-01-21 17:17:32 <BitCoinz> yes.. i got disconnected:)
394 2011-01-21 17:18:20 <HackTheGibson> aaaaaaaaand?
395 2011-01-21 17:19:01 <HackTheGibson> polaks
396 2011-01-21 17:19:02 <BitCoinz> and? guess i'm back on
397 2011-01-21 17:19:37 <BitCoinz> i'm disconnected from otc also
398 2011-01-21 17:19:46 <HackTheGibson> I'm banned from otc
399 2011-01-21 17:19:47 <HackTheGibson> nice people
400 2011-01-21 17:19:56 <HackTheGibson> I was trying to sell things for bitcoin, and got banned
401 2011-01-21 17:20:10 <BitCoinz> that sucks
402 2011-01-21 17:20:15 <HackTheGibson> lmao
403 2011-01-21 17:20:39 <BitCoinz> strange that i don't receive a message that i'm disconnected
404 2011-01-21 17:27:01 <nanotube> HackTheGibson: you were banned cuz you were talking crap, not because you were trying to sell stuff. :P
405 2011-01-21 17:27:28 <HackTheGibson> nanotube: sure
406 2011-01-21 17:27:40 <HackTheGibson> nanotube: well if you want a loan, let me know
407 2011-01-21 17:28:03 <nanotube> i'm pretty tolerant of crap... but people on channel got fed up and asked me to. gotta serve the userbase. :)
408 2011-01-21 17:28:13 <HackTheGibson> nanotube: I bet you do.
409 2011-01-21 18:29:55 <newsham> ;info
410 2011-01-21 18:29:59 <gribble> Error: The command "info" is available in the Factoids, MessageParser, and RSS plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "info".
411 2011-01-21 18:29:59 <newsham> ;;info
412 2011-01-21 18:30:04 <newsham> ;;help
413 2011-01-21 18:30:05 <gribble> The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/
414 2011-01-21 18:32:49 <niekie> ;;btc,stats
415 2011-01-21 18:32:51 <gribble> Error: "btc,stats" is not a valid command.
416 2011-01-21 18:32:54 <niekie> ;;bcc,stats
417 2011-01-21 18:32:55 <gribble> Error: "bcc,stats" is not a valid command.
418 2011-01-21 18:32:56 <niekie> ;;bc,stats
419 2011-01-21 18:33:03 <gribble> Current Blocks: 103878 | Current Difficulty: 18437.64439217 | Next Difficulty At Block: 104831 | Next Difficulty In: 953 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 13 hours, 41 minutes, and 5 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 21913.43490106
420 2011-01-21 18:58:29 <devon_hillard> why are there such things as dark pools?
421 2011-01-21 18:59:54 <ducki2p> A dark pool allows large quantities to be sold without the orders being visible. This helps to lessen the price moves that would likely result when the price and size of a large order is known.
422 2011-01-21 19:00:28 <ducki2p> and for the economic background: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_liquidity
423 2011-01-21 19:02:17 <ducki2p> devon_hillard: its a 'defense' against bots
424 2011-01-21 19:02:43 <devon_hillard> what are the inventives to trade outside the dark pool, though?
425 2011-01-21 19:02:51 <devon_hillard> in the open
426 2011-01-21 19:03:33 <CIA-106> bitcoin: Chris Moore master * r2aadc8b / init.cpp :
427 2011-01-21 19:03:34 <CIA-106> bitcoin: Chris Moore master * r86c0af5 / init.cpp : Merge branch 'rpcssl-help' of github.com:dooglus/bitcoin into dooglus-rpcssl-help - http://bit.ly/e7v6mY
428 2011-01-21 19:03:35 <Kiba> influence price?
429 2011-01-21 19:28:52 <ineedmoney> .25
430 2011-01-21 19:32:18 <CIA-106> bitcoin: Chris Moore master * r18cb92a / init.cpp : Merge branch 'display-version-in-help' of https://github.com/mhanne/bitcoin - http://bit.ly/gKS1Pn
431 2011-01-21 19:32:19 <CIA-106> bitcoin: Chris Moore master * rfdec7fe / (init.cpp serialize.h): Merge branch show-version-in-help-2 of https://github.com/dooglus/bitcoin - http://bit.ly/fHFpwj
432 2011-01-21 19:40:39 <hacim> so I just plugged in a 5870 that I just got and it doesn't bring up my monitor
433 2011-01-21 19:40:46 <hacim> am i missing something obvious here?
434 2011-01-21 19:40:50 <ineedmoney> yes
435 2011-01-21 19:40:56 <ineedmoney> power cables
436 2011-01-21 19:40:58 <ineedmoney> activate the bus
437 2011-01-21 19:40:59 <ineedmoney> idk
438 2011-01-21 19:41:18 <ineedmoney> re-seat card
439 2011-01-21 19:41:41 <hacim> there is only supposed to be one power cable to it, unless I am mistaken
440 2011-01-21 19:41:47 <newsham> does your card ride the short bus?
441 2011-01-21 19:41:54 <ineedmoney> hacim: you might be, or maybe he didn't plug it in
442 2011-01-21 19:41:57 <ineedmoney> newsham: sorry, I know what a bus is
443 2011-01-21 19:42:15 <hacim> i did plug it in
444 2011-01-21 19:42:23 <ineedmoney> well plug it all the way up your...
445 2011-01-21 19:42:34 <hacim> it certainly powers up
446 2011-01-21 19:42:39 <hacim> i can hear the fan go
447 2011-01-21 19:42:47 <ineedmoney> I suggest hydrochloric acid.
448 2011-01-21 19:42:53 <ineedmoney> it's a good cleaning solvent
449 2011-01-21 19:43:08 <zdp> Just curious, does anyone know how large the bitcoin community is (people actually using it as currency)?
450 2011-01-21 19:43:15 <ineedmoney> zdp: huge
451 2011-01-21 19:43:22 <ineedmoney> zdp: "that's what she said"
452 2011-01-21 19:43:23 <hacim> what do you mean, activate the bus?
453 2011-01-21 19:43:30 <zdp> I'd assume that it would be pretty large in Europe
454 2011-01-21 19:43:41 <ineedmoney> hacim: is the bus getting power?
455 2011-01-21 19:43:41 <zdp> I just got wind of it today... this is unreal
456 2011-01-21 19:43:47 <ineedmoney> zdp: large everywhere
457 2011-01-21 19:43:51 <ineedmoney> zdp: my penis, that is
458 2011-01-21 19:44:11 <hacim> ineedmoney: the card fan starts up
459 2011-01-21 19:44:30 <ineedmoney> hacim: yes
460 2011-01-21 19:44:36 <ineedmoney> hacim: isn't that a separate power source?
461 2011-01-21 19:44:38 <ineedmoney> from the PSU?
462 2011-01-21 19:44:56 <ineedmoney> I'd check the BIOS or the pins on the mobo first
463 2011-01-21 19:45:12 <hacim> i cant get to the bios if the screen doesnt come up
464 2011-01-21 19:48:42 <andrew12> heh
465 2011-01-21 19:49:11 <[Noodles]> one powercable is not enough i guess, 5870 should have at least 2x 6pin, supposely 1x6 +1x8pin
466 2011-01-21 19:51:27 <[Noodles]> my 5850 has 1x6pin + 1x8pin, my 5970 2x8pin
467 2011-01-21 19:52:33 <BitCoinz> my cards have 2x 6 pin
468 2011-01-21 19:52:41 <BitCoinz> 5970
469 2011-01-21 19:53:21 <BitCoinz> not sure
470 2011-01-21 19:54:13 <btcex> hi again
471 2011-01-21 19:54:30 <btcex> our gambling beta released: probiwon.com
472 2011-01-21 19:55:14 <btcex> Come to test. we've already lost 9 BTC :)
473 2011-01-21 19:55:32 <BitCoinz> [Noodles] runs 5850 with 2 adapters?
474 2011-01-21 19:55:53 <[Noodles]> i'm pretty sure, couldn't get my 5850 to work with only 2x6pin, it needs 1x6+1x8
475 2011-01-21 19:56:13 <ineedmoney> BitCoinz: sup
476 2011-01-21 19:56:19 <hacim> yeah, second power header wasn't attached
477 2011-01-21 19:56:26 <[Noodles]> can't say anything about other models though
478 2011-01-21 19:56:47 <[Noodles]> and my 5970 surely needs 2x8
479 2011-01-21 19:56:52 <BitCoinz> fine money
480 2011-01-21 19:57:05 <ineedmoney> BitCoinz: I'd like some
481 2011-01-21 19:57:13 <BitCoinz> btw....i need money too :P
482 2011-01-21 19:57:20 <ineedmoney> right
483 2011-01-21 19:57:25 <ineedmoney> I'd like significant quantities please
484 2011-01-21 19:57:35 <BitCoinz> and cards xd
485 2011-01-21 19:58:07 <ineedmoney> don't waste my time, dear
486 2011-01-21 19:58:19 <ineedmoney> time is money, friend
487 2011-01-21 19:58:39 <BitCoinz> not for friends ;)
488 2011-01-21 19:58:46 <ineedmoney> what do I get out of it?
489 2011-01-21 19:58:57 <BitCoinz> out of what?
490 2011-01-21 19:59:02 <ineedmoney> humor me
491 2011-01-21 19:59:04 <ineedmoney> quantify it
492 2011-01-21 20:00:13 <BitCoinz> i have nothing to offer yet
493 2011-01-21 20:00:41 <BitCoinz> just started mining at tuesday
494 2011-01-21 20:01:00 <BitCoinz> 4 blocks solved:D
495 2011-01-21 20:01:31 <davex__> you have two 5970's?
496 2011-01-21 20:01:36 <BitCoinz> yes
497 2011-01-21 20:01:49 <BitCoinz> at 860 mhz
498 2011-01-21 20:02:12 <BitCoinz> 1270 mhash
499 2011-01-21 20:02:28 <ineedmoney> sounds good
500 2011-01-21 20:02:29 <ineedmoney> keep going
501 2011-01-21 20:02:30 <ineedmoney> pay up
502 2011-01-21 20:02:50 <BitCoinz> more coinzzzzz
503 2011-01-21 20:03:07 <ineedmoney> BitCoinz: remember that sex we were going to have? ever again?
504 2011-01-21 20:03:32 <BitCoinz> it was great wasn it? :P
505 2011-01-21 20:03:36 <davex__> wtf
506 2011-01-21 20:04:00 <ineedmoney> davex__: sorry, wifey won't pay up
507 2011-01-21 20:04:25 <BitCoinz> lol
508 2011-01-21 20:05:19 <BitCoinz> sell me your brains, i could use them in stead of 5970's
509 2011-01-21 20:05:27 <ineedmoney> she's going to regret it
510 2011-01-21 20:05:41 <BitCoinz> it would roch my ass off
511 2011-01-21 20:05:49 <ineedmoney> oh yeah
512 2011-01-21 20:05:51 <ineedmoney> that's right
513 2011-01-21 20:06:39 <BitCoinz> i only need to stich some wires in them
514 2011-01-21 20:06:46 <BitCoinz> stick*
515 2011-01-21 20:07:01 <ineedmoney> can't do wireless?
516 2011-01-21 20:07:02 <ineedmoney> fail
517 2011-01-21 20:07:18 <ineedmoney> upgrade your tech
518 2011-01-21 20:07:21 <ineedmoney> what is this
519 2011-01-21 20:07:22 <ineedmoney> 1988
520 2011-01-21 20:07:27 <BitCoinz> maybe with a wireless adapter..
521 2011-01-21 20:07:31 <ineedmoney> -_-
522 2011-01-21 20:07:33 <ineedmoney> you have no idea
523 2011-01-21 20:07:58 <BitCoinz> and with good encryption
524 2011-01-21 20:08:05 <ineedmoney> derp derp
525 2011-01-21 20:08:16 <ineedmoney> nice portfolio, by the way
526 2011-01-21 20:08:33 <BitCoinz> need a filter to....i cant use the dirt :D
527 2011-01-21 20:08:47 <BitCoinz> lol
528 2011-01-21 20:08:48 <ineedmoney> right right
529 2011-01-21 20:08:54 <ineedmoney> dirt
530 2011-01-21 20:08:58 <ineedmoney> reminds me of someone
531 2011-01-21 20:09:03 <ineedmoney> a mutual acquaintance
532 2011-01-21 20:09:10 <BitCoinz> haha
533 2011-01-21 20:09:14 <ineedmoney> you know?
534 2011-01-21 20:09:36 <BitCoinz> mutual brains produce more hashes
535 2011-01-21 20:09:39 <ineedmoney> BitCoinz: you think you're so funny.
536 2011-01-21 20:09:50 <BitCoinz> i dont think
537 2011-01-21 20:09:54 <BitCoinz> i just enjoy
538 2011-01-21 20:09:55 <ineedmoney> you don't know
539 2011-01-21 20:09:57 <BitCoinz> lol
540 2011-01-21 20:10:03 <ineedmoney> har har
541 2011-01-21 20:10:09 <BitCoinz> i know more then you think lol
542 2011-01-21 20:10:54 <ineedmoney> BitCoinz thinks I don't watch her.
543 2011-01-21 20:11:25 <BitCoinz> zijt gij een hollander misschiens?
544 2011-01-21 20:11:58 <ineedmoney> well enough
545 2011-01-21 20:12:00 <BitCoinz> ey vrekkige Hollander :P
546 2011-01-21 20:12:05 <ineedmoney> yeah yeah me too
547 2011-01-21 20:12:10 <ineedmoney> it's great to brag isnt it
548 2011-01-21 20:12:17 <ineedmoney> dork
549 2011-01-21 20:12:36 <ineedmoney> so funny
550 2011-01-21 20:12:39 <ineedmoney> soooooo so funny
551 2011-01-21 20:12:42 <ineedmoney> not
552 2011-01-21 20:13:25 <BitCoinz> jij spoort niet, jij valt in herhaling...teveel gezopen zeker?
553 2011-01-21 20:13:39 <BitCoinz> of te hard aan je poen gesnuffeld
554 2011-01-21 20:14:56 <ineedmoney> enough.
555 2011-01-21 20:15:16 <BitCoinz> grinses
556 2011-01-21 20:15:38 <ineedmoney> -_-
557 2011-01-21 20:17:13 <BitCoinz> tasty bitburger..hmmmm
558 2011-01-21 20:17:20 <ineedmoney> hook me up
559 2011-01-21 20:17:32 <hacim> CUDA is for ati and openCL is for nvidia?
560 2011-01-21 20:17:55 <BitCoinz> i dunno...i am dump :P
561 2011-01-21 20:18:15 <BitCoinz> dumb*..burp!
562 2011-01-21 20:18:18 <ineedmoney> hahahaha
563 2011-01-21 20:18:22 <ineedmoney> freudian slip!
564 2011-01-21 20:18:32 <ineedmoney> I must be very distracting.
565 2011-01-21 20:18:34 <BitCoinz> dirty prik
566 2011-01-21 20:18:56 <BitCoinz> totally confusing...
567 2011-01-21 20:19:21 <ineedmoney> haha
568 2011-01-21 20:19:22 <ineedmoney> good
569 2011-01-21 20:19:23 <ineedmoney> fuck you
570 2011-01-21 20:19:36 <BitCoinz> rather not
571 2011-01-21 20:19:39 <ineedmoney> brb hashes
572 2011-01-21 20:19:46 <BitCoinz> what kind
573 2011-01-21 20:19:48 <BitCoinz> ?
574 2011-01-21 20:19:53 <BitCoinz> Nepal?
575 2011-01-21 20:19:59 <BitCoinz> black?
576 2011-01-21 20:20:09 <BitCoinz> or Marroc?
577 2011-01-21 20:20:46 <BitCoinz> going to have a pipe?
578 2011-01-21 20:23:43 <hacim> hm, i can't seem to get this gpu miner to work on my 5870
579 2011-01-21 20:24:08 <BitCoinz> hacim, which one?
580 2011-01-21 20:25:21 <hacim> BitCoinz: i've tried diablo and puddinpop
581 2011-01-21 20:25:47 <ineedmoney> hacim: want a custom one?
582 2011-01-21 20:25:51 <ineedmoney> hacim: 500btc
583 2011-01-21 20:26:35 <hacim> no, i want to get any one working
584 2011-01-21 20:26:39 <BitCoinz> what OS?
585 2011-01-21 20:27:12 <hacim> BitCoinz: linux
586 2011-01-21 20:27:35 <hacim> "ERROR: No OpenCL platforms found"
587 2011-01-21 20:27:47 <ineedmoney> why not
588 2011-01-21 20:27:54 <ineedmoney> maybe you need to stop wearing platform shoes.
589 2011-01-21 20:28:46 <davex__> are you 12 ineedmoney?
590 2011-01-21 20:28:53 <hacim> do I need to install some openCL drivers or something?
591 2011-01-21 20:29:01 <ineedmoney> davex__: uhuh
592 2011-01-21 20:29:47 <BitCoinz> yes
593 2011-01-21 20:31:15 <ineedmoney> so it BitCoinz
594 2011-01-21 20:31:21 <ineedmoney> is*
595 2011-01-21 20:43:07 <hacim> Diablo-D3: hey, i'm trying to get your miner to work on an ati card
596 2011-01-21 20:43:15 <hacim> I keep getting ERROR: No OpenCL platforms found
597 2011-01-21 20:43:27 <hacim> wondering what I am missing here
598 2011-01-21 20:44:01 <lfm> hacim what driver version?
599 2011-01-21 20:44:19 <hacim> lfm: 10.12
600 2011-01-21 20:44:35 <hacim> although the name says 10.11, the revision is 10.12
601 2011-01-21 20:44:43 <lfm> are you running it from an X login?
602 2011-01-21 20:44:51 <hacim> lfm: yes, in an xterm
603 2011-01-21 20:45:21 <lfm> did you install the opencl/streams sdk?
604 2011-01-21 20:45:40 <hacim> lfm: i downloaded it, and I set some environment variables, and then did a make
605 2011-01-21 20:45:51 <hacim> it wasn't clear how you actually install it, but the make worked out
606 2011-01-21 20:46:21 <lfm> you missed the /etc/ file then? another tar.gz I forget the exact name atm
607 2011-01-21 20:46:28 <hacim> no, i got that installed
608 2011-01-21 20:46:41 <hacim> the icd-registration
609 2011-01-21 20:46:57 <lfm> oh ok ya that
610 2011-01-21 20:46:59 <hacim> oddly, it only put a nvidia one in there
611 2011-01-21 20:47:22 <hacim> hm thats not what is in the tarball
612 2011-01-21 20:47:52 <hacim> aha
613 2011-01-21 20:47:59 <hacim> it seems that untar didn't work right
614 2011-01-21 20:47:59 <lfm> ok you did it wrong, tryu looking up the instructions again
615 2011-01-21 20:48:04 <hacim> now it works
616 2011-01-21 20:48:20 <lfm> there you go
617 2011-01-21 20:48:48 <lfm> which sdk version?
618 2011-01-21 20:48:58 <hacim> 2.3
619 2011-01-21 20:49:05 <hacim> i swear i untarred that right before :)
620 2011-01-21 20:49:16 <lfm> sdk 2.1 should work better for bitcoin
621 2011-01-21 20:50:47 <bitanarchy> This is probably not the right place to ask but, why is the spread at goldmoney (2.7%) much larger than at bullionvault (1.6%)?
622 2011-01-21 20:51:31 <lfm> biyanarchy different markets will have different people making different bid
623 2011-01-21 20:51:52 <hacim> Diablo-D3: nevermind :)
624 2011-01-21 20:54:04 <bitanarchy> lfm: I thought that it would have something to do with security...
625 2011-01-21 20:54:49 <lfm> or maybe different profit margins
626 2011-01-21 20:55:46 <BitCoinz> 2.1 works great with me
627 2011-01-21 20:57:13 <bitanarchy> sharp peaks on the bitcoin exchange rate...
628 2011-01-21 20:58:15 <ineedmoney> bitanarchy really now?
629 2011-01-21 20:58:19 <ineedmoney> someone is supposing the value will go up?
630 2011-01-21 20:58:39 <lfm> lots of people
631 2011-01-21 20:58:47 <ineedmoney> haha
632 2011-01-21 20:58:54 <ineedmoney> I think it's one girl with multiple personality disorder.
633 2011-01-21 20:59:37 <lfm> you think it will go down?
634 2011-01-21 20:59:42 <ineedmoney> never!
635 2011-01-21 20:59:48 <ineedmoney> safer than galactic credits!
636 2011-01-21 21:00:48 <lfm> seems you might be trying to be sarcastic. hard to tell in text mediums
637 2011-01-21 21:00:56 <ineedmoney> paranoid schizophrenia
638 2011-01-21 21:01:07 <ineedmoney> ?
639 2011-01-21 21:01:52 <lfm> yes that would explain it too
640 2011-01-21 21:03:26 <donpdonp> 
641 2011-01-21 21:06:00 <bitanarchy> how do i get a readable list of channels on freenode?
642 2011-01-21 21:12:25 <Diablo-D3> [04:43:08] <hacim> Diablo-D3: hey, i'm trying to get your miner to work on an ati card
643 2011-01-21 21:12:26 <Diablo-D3> [04:43:16] <hacim> I keep getting ERROR: No OpenCL platforms found
644 2011-01-21 21:12:37 <Diablo-D3> you forgot to export the path
645 2011-01-21 21:13:04 <lfm> naw he found the problem he untarred the icd from the wrong place
646 2011-01-21 21:13:06 <Diablo-D3> export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/to/ati-stream-sdk-v2.1-lnx64/lib/x86_64/:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
647 2011-01-21 21:13:07 <Diablo-D3> or whatnot
648 2011-01-21 21:13:10 <Diablo-D3> lfm: ahh
649 2011-01-21 21:13:15 <Diablo-D3> yeah, you need to untar it in / as root
650 2011-01-21 21:32:58 <Kiba> I will have 3 articles for the next issue of The Bitcoin Times
651 2011-01-21 21:37:09 <Sthebig> Is there anywhere to download the nvidia OpenCL drivers for windows without registering?
652 2011-01-21 21:37:54 <lfm> there a ubuntu package if you run ubuntu
653 2011-01-21 21:41:22 <slush1> lfm: I found only SDK 2.3. Is here also package for 2.1?
654 2011-01-21 21:42:05 <lfm> dunno i think 2.3 is ok for nvidia
655 2011-01-21 21:42:46 <slush1> oh, nvidia, sorry
656 2011-01-21 21:42:52 <lfm> slush for ati I got 2.1 from ati site
657 2011-01-21 21:43:14 <Diablo-D3> Sthebig: you're on nvidia?
658 2011-01-21 21:43:22 <Sthebig> Yeah.
659 2011-01-21 21:43:29 <Diablo-D3> buy AMD next time.
660 2011-01-21 21:44:03 <slush1> fine. I'm working on mining USB stick based on Ubuntu. But I'm out of space right now, 1GB partition isn't enough :)
661 2011-01-21 21:44:18 <Diablo-D3> slush1: thats where you went wrong
662 2011-01-21 21:44:21 <lfm> next time for him might be in 2 years and nvidia might be better again by then
663 2011-01-21 21:44:40 <Diablo-D3> slush1: you'd probably really want alpine and a custom script that starts X up with the proper drivers
664 2011-01-21 21:44:53 <Diablo-D3> lfm: nvidia might not even be making video cards in 2 years
665 2011-01-21 21:45:22 <lfm> ok intel might be best by then! grin, ok I wont hold my breath
666 2011-01-21 21:45:36 <Diablo-D3> well, hey, at least intel can run opencl now
667 2011-01-21 21:45:49 <Diablo-D3> on those new gma hd 2 and 3 cores
668 2011-01-21 21:45:58 <Sthebig> Yeah, I've been considering buying/building a new PC. This one is getting pretty old. But that's not a solution for me right now. Has anyone gotten those windows drivers?
669 2011-01-21 21:46:02 <Diablo-D3> (too bad gma hd 1, and gmas before that, cant)
670 2011-01-21 21:46:11 <slush1> I like ubuntu, don't want to learn how to hack another system just for mining
671 2011-01-21 21:46:15 <Diablo-D3> (and the new on-die gmas arent even gma hd)
672 2011-01-21 21:46:28 <lfm> sthebig why cant you just register?
673 2011-01-21 21:46:29 <Diablo-D3> (and it does about 5 mhash on the fastest one)
674 2011-01-21 21:46:37 <Diablo-D3> yeah, you can just register
675 2011-01-21 21:46:43 <Diablo-D3> they want your email address for spam
676 2011-01-21 21:46:45 <Diablo-D3> thats about it
677 2011-01-21 21:47:04 <Sthebig> Did you look at the registration form? They practically want your first born...
678 2011-01-21 21:47:14 <Diablo-D3> are you sure you're going to the right site?
679 2011-01-21 21:47:19 <Sthebig> http://nvdeveloper.nvidia.com/content/GPUComputingDeveloperApplication/frmDeveloperRegistration.asp ?
680 2011-01-21 21:47:20 <Diablo-D3> the normal drivers contain the opencl libs
681 2011-01-21 21:47:24 <Sthebig> linked from http://www.nvidia.com/object/cuda_opencl_new.html
682 2011-01-21 21:47:42 <Sthebig> Oh, really?
683 2011-01-21 21:47:46 <Diablo-D3> so just install normal 260.x drivers, reboot, and instant opencl.
684 2011-01-21 21:48:01 <Sthebig> Ah, okay. I should be good then. I guess my error message is unrelated.
685 2011-01-21 21:48:08 <Diablo-D3> whats the error message?
686 2011-01-21 21:48:14 <lfm> error message??
687 2011-01-21 21:48:29 <Sthebig> build LOG:<program source>:66:2: error: call to 'rotate' is ambiguous
688 2011-01-21 21:48:41 <Diablo-D3> Sthebig: yes, that clearly means opencl is working, it just hates you
689 2011-01-21 21:48:45 <Sthebig> using bitcoin-rpcminer-20101231-win32bin
690 2011-01-21 21:48:58 <Diablo-D3> whos miner is that?
691 2011-01-21 21:48:59 <Sthebig> was gonna test out your miner Diablo-D3
692 2011-01-21 21:49:13 <Sthebig> https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2444.0
693 2011-01-21 21:49:14 <Diablo-D3> my miner works on nvidia on windows... just make sure you have 260.x installed
694 2011-01-21 21:49:19 <Sthebig> puddinpop
695 2011-01-21 21:49:25 <Diablo-D3> puddingpop's is shit
696 2011-01-21 21:49:39 <lfm> m0mchill had that problem with nvida a long time ago iirc
697 2011-01-21 21:50:07 <Diablo-D3> Ive had that problem too
698 2011-01-21 21:50:07 <lfm> oh use the cuda one of puddin's for nvidia
699 2011-01-21 21:50:12 <Diablo-D3> his kernel is missing a cast
700 2011-01-21 21:50:20 <Diablo-D3> and the compiler is too stupid to automatically do it
701 2011-01-21 21:50:41 <Diablo-D3> Sthebig: generally, my miner should be faster than his
702 2011-01-21 21:50:46 <Diablo-D3> even if his uses cuda
703 2011-01-21 21:50:54 <Sthebig> lfm: yeah, that's what I've been using, the cuda one.
704 2011-01-21 21:51:31 <lfm> or try disblo's if you can handle the java agreements! grin
705 2011-01-21 21:51:35 <noagendamarket> what would be the expected block rate for 2 5970's for 12 months ?
706 2011-01-21 21:51:55 <Diablo-D3> noagendamarket: quite a few.
707 2011-01-21 21:52:05 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: remember that I dd-ed a disc yesterday?
708 2011-01-21 21:52:11 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: yeah?
709 2011-01-21 21:52:32 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: that hdd was about to die, I knew this, from smartd. Well - it died today :) The 'original' one :)
710 2011-01-21 21:52:38 <lfm> it should be able to keep the same rate as for 1 sec
711 2011-01-21 21:52:41 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: nice.
712 2011-01-21 21:53:42 <Diablo-D3> noagendamarket: btw, the expected H==0 rate is one every 3 minutes
713 2011-01-21 21:53:53 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: but I wanted a miner up and running, without HDD, so I took an 8GB usb key and rsynced the 'copy' to it, chrooted into it, update-grub - and voila: the 8GB kingstone usb key is now a perfect copy of that HDD, and miner PC is up and running.
714 2011-01-21 21:54:07 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: lol
715 2011-01-21 21:54:18 <cosurgi> and that PC is now booting from usb key :)
716 2011-01-21 21:54:26 <lfm> wtg
717 2011-01-21 21:54:28 <noagendamarket> Diablo a block evry 3 min ?
718 2011-01-21 21:54:37 <cosurgi> with whole configuration intact. And your 'git pull && mvn package' stuff, that you helped me last week.
719 2011-01-21 21:54:48 <lfm> ;;bc,calc 1100000
720 2011-01-21 21:54:50 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1100000 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 19 hours, 59 minutes, and 50 seconds
721 2011-01-21 21:55:34 <Diablo-D3> noagendamarket: a H==0 every 3 minutes
722 2011-01-21 21:55:45 <Diablo-D3> noagendamarket: in other words, a pool share.
723 2011-01-21 21:55:59 <noagendamarket> ok
724 2011-01-21 21:56:00 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,calc 1065000
725 2011-01-21 21:56:00 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1065000 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 20 hours, 39 minutes, and 15 seconds
726 2011-01-21 21:56:18 <lfm> if you're gonna run for a year, it would of course depend on the difficulty rate and no one knows what that will be in a year
727 2011-01-21 21:56:30 <Diablo-D3> lfm: well, we can mostly calculate that
728 2011-01-21 21:56:53 <Diablo-D3> we know how long it takes to jump difficulty, and we know roughly how much it goes up every time
729 2011-01-21 21:56:53 <lfm> extrapolation s are just another estimate
730 2011-01-21 21:56:58 <Diablo-D3> yeah
731 2011-01-21 21:57:03 <Diablo-D3> but it'll be in the right ballpark
732 2011-01-21 21:57:14 <lfm> maybe
733 2011-01-21 21:57:22 <Diablo-D3> it'll be, roughly, a magnitude more than now.
734 2011-01-21 21:57:39 <lfm> or it could crash
735 2011-01-21 21:57:47 <BitCoinz> ;;bc,calc 1300000
736 2011-01-21 21:57:48 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1300000 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 16 hours, 55 minutes, and 14 seconds
737 2011-01-21 21:57:51 <Diablo-D3> my god how many slushes do we have
738 2011-01-21 21:58:17 <dooglus> ;;bc,calc 1000000
739 2011-01-21 21:58:17 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 21 hours, 59 minutes, and 49 seconds
740 2011-01-21 21:58:30 <slush2> lol, I'm just switching network cables
741 2011-01-21 21:58:50 <dooglus> ;;bc,calc 1000
742 2011-01-21 21:58:51 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1000 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 2 years, 26 weeks, 4 days, 12 hours, 57 minutes, and 59 seconds
743 2011-01-21 21:59:11 <cosurgi> ;;bc,calc 719172
744 2011-01-21 21:59:12 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 719172 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 1 day, 6 hours, 35 minutes, and 11 seconds
745 2011-01-21 21:59:36 <cosurgi> okay. I think that I can stop buying GPUs.
746 2011-01-21 21:59:58 <cosurgi> My "sell-bitcoins" ability is already saturated.
747 2011-01-21 22:01:07 <cosurgi> I had cut a hole on the bottom of the case, for better air exchange. And now - instead of 95C it is 77C :)
748 2011-01-21 22:01:18 <devon_hillard> How good are AMD's APUs, if you had a chance of seeing one?
749 2011-01-21 22:03:08 <andrew12> hmm
750 2011-01-21 22:04:10 <andrew12> when bitcoin eventually reaches 0 BTC/block, will there still be blocks being generated?
751 2011-01-21 22:04:36 <andrew12> I'd figure the answer is yes but I'm not sure
752 2011-01-21 22:04:45 <cosurgi> yes, they will be
753 2011-01-21 22:04:50 <donpdonp> andrew12: my understanding is, when the bounty goes to zero, the transaction fee mechanism becomes important (if it hasnt already by that time)
754 2011-01-21 22:05:03 <andrew12> the difficulty will probably go way down :P
755 2011-01-21 22:05:29 <cosurgi> and you will still get money from blocks being generated - transaction fees.
756 2011-01-21 22:05:40 <andrew12> ooh
757 2011-01-21 22:05:51 <andrew12> didn't think of that
758 2011-01-21 22:06:06 <andrew12> i wonder what the block/day rate will turn into
759 2011-01-21 22:06:12 <donpdonp> andrew12: so there is the potential to make even more than 50btc due to fees
760 2011-01-21 22:06:13 <andrew12> yup
761 2011-01-21 22:14:09 <luke-jr> whoever writes a miner that uses Sandy Bridge's SHA256 accel gets proceeds from the first week I run it <.<
762 2011-01-21 22:14:47 <lfm> in fact long before it reaches zero it will get so small no one will care, in about 2160 or so i think it will be less than 0.01 btc
763 2011-01-21 22:15:10 <andrew12> oh wait
764 2011-01-21 22:15:16 <andrew12> hmm'
765 2011-01-21 22:15:35 <andrew12> the coins/block is halved every two years right?
766 2011-01-21 22:15:47 <lfm> 4 years I think
767 2011-01-21 22:16:10 <lfm> if it was 2 years itd be 1/2 now
768 2011-01-21 22:18:30 <jgarzik> luke-jr: unless it permits little endian midstate, it will be slow like VIA SHA256
769 2011-01-21 22:19:38 <lfm> the endianness is not what makes it slow
770 2011-01-21 22:32:20 <andrew12> hmm
771 2011-01-21 22:32:41 <andrew12> I wonder what the market prices will be like in 2160 :P
772 2011-01-21 22:32:52 <ineedmoney> ask the federation
773 2011-01-21 22:38:29 <ineedmoney> BitCoinz:
774 2011-01-21 22:40:19 <jgarzik> for BTC
775 2011-01-21 22:40:44 <andrew12> why python? :P
776 2011-01-21 22:41:03 <jgarzik> because it's my choice :)
777 2011-01-21 22:41:24 <andrew12> and what kind of stuff would you want them to code?
778 2011-01-21 22:42:02 <jgarzik> dynamic websites.  would need to know JS, HTML, CSS too, but I would want the main code for database backends and such in python.
779 2011-01-21 22:42:51 <tcatm> jgarzik: I could do that.
780 2011-01-21 22:43:00 <andrew12> me too. :p
781 2011-01-21 22:43:23 <andrew12> hmm
782 2011-01-21 22:43:57 <andrew12> should probably start working on the web wallet thing like i said i was going to
783 2011-01-21 22:51:41 <luke-jr> lfm: if 0.01 BTC isn't worth a lot by 2160, Bitcoin will be dead
784 2011-01-21 22:52:17 <jgarzik> luke-jr: true
785 2011-01-21 22:52:42 <luke-jr> jgarzik: are you a Linux SATA developer?
786 2011-01-21 22:52:47 <jgarzik> luke-jr: yes
787 2011-01-21 22:52:54 <luke-jr> thought I recognized your name XD
788 2011-01-21 22:53:23 <ineedmoney> haha
789 2011-01-21 22:53:33 <ineedmoney> funny!
790 2011-01-21 22:54:43 <andrew12> do you guys know any good code editors for windows?
791 2011-01-21 22:54:55 <luke-jr> Notepad
792 2011-01-21 22:55:02 <andrew12> syntax highlighting plz
793 2011-01-21 22:55:05 <luke-jr> Notepad++
794 2011-01-21 22:55:20 <luke-jr> you can install KDE on Windows these days
795 2011-01-21 22:55:32 <andrew12> not easily :P
796 2011-01-21 22:55:52 <luke-jr> well, nothing is ever easy on Windows
797 2011-01-21 22:56:00 <andrew12> true
798 2011-01-21 22:56:11 <andrew12> hm
799 2011-01-21 22:56:20 <andrew12> maybe its time to make use of my linux partition?
800 2011-01-21 23:31:31 <tcatm> A little bit offtopic: What's the best way to sync directories (like $home) across computers (linux)?
801 2011-01-21 23:33:18 <ThomasV_> rsync
802 2011-01-21 23:33:51 <tcatm> can it work in both directions?
803 2011-01-21 23:38:07 <andrew12> tcatm: yes
804 2011-01-21 23:38:30 <andrew12> rsync -axvz folder user@other_computer:folder
805 2011-01-21 23:38:49 <andrew12> rsync -axvz user@other_computer:folder folder
806 2011-01-21 23:39:00 <andrew12> both computers need rsync installed
807 2011-01-21 23:39:16 <andrew12> and an ssh server that's accessible.. though i think there is some sort of rsync server
808 2011-01-21 23:39:21 <tcatm> That doesn't care about deleted files, does it?
809 2011-01-21 23:39:22 <andrew12> but ssh is easier.
810 2011-01-21 23:39:30 <andrew12> you can make it care about them
811 2011-01-21 23:39:32 <andrew12> --delete :P
812 2011-01-21 23:39:48 <andrew12> (i think)
813 2011-01-21 23:40:07 <andrew12> read the man page :)
814 2011-01-21 23:40:15 <tcatm> Won't that delete files on one host (depending on which command I issue first) instead of syncing?
815 2011-01-21 23:40:25 <andrew12> hm
816 2011-01-21 23:40:33 <andrew12> i think there's something that does syncing too
817 2011-01-21 23:40:55 <andrew12> hmm
818 2011-01-21 23:41:23 <andrew12> unless you do --delete, it'll copy everything you have to the other folder on the other computer
819 2011-01-21 23:41:30 <andrew12> whether there's files there or not
820 2011-01-21 23:47:58 <jgarzik> tcatm: rsync --delete says "make remote $foo look exactly like local $foo"
821 2011-01-21 23:49:02 <tcatm> jgarzik: thanks. So no bi-directional sync
822 2011-01-21 23:50:14 <jgarzik> tcatm: well you can run rsync twice
823 2011-01-21 23:50:21 <jgarzik> switching local/remote params
824 2011-01-21 23:50:32 <mahadri> --delete                delete extraneous files from dest dirs
825 2011-01-21 23:50:50 <jgarzik> but real "bi-directional sync" requires domain-specific knowledge, for conflict resolution
826 2011-01-21 23:51:13 <tcatm> Would be acceptable if it prompted me for every file that conflicts
827 2011-01-21 23:51:40 <tcatm> Use case will be syncing my personal work directory between two computers (laptop and workstation)
828 2011-01-21 23:53:00 <jgarzik> you can seamlessly script it, if your workflow permits designation of one location as "primary" (== contains the most authoritative copy of personal work directory at the moment)
829 2011-01-21 23:53:50 <jgarzik> $ sync_mkprimary laptop ; sync_run         # copies laptop work dir to workstation
830 2011-01-21 23:54:07 <jgarzik> $ sync_mkprimary workstation ; sync_run         # copies workstation work to laptop
831 2011-01-21 23:54:16 <tcatm> mhm will have to think about it