1 2011-01-23 00:00:09 <luke-jr> Sandy Bridge
  2 2011-01-23 00:02:21 <HackTheGibson> oh
  3 2011-01-23 00:02:26 <HackTheGibson> that must be new
  4 2011-01-23 00:02:43 <HackTheGibson> ?
  5 2011-01-23 00:02:46 <HackTheGibson> luke-jr:
  6 2011-01-23 00:02:55 <luke-jr> yes
  7 2011-01-23 00:03:04 <luke-jr> about 1-2 weeks since launch
  8 2011-01-23 00:03:14 <luke-jr> Intel's new combined CPU+GPU
  9 2011-01-23 00:03:23 <luke-jr> beats my Radeon out, but no OpenCL
 10 2011-01-23 00:03:33 <HackTheGibson> oh hwho cares
 11 2011-01-23 00:03:37 <HackTheGibson> opencl
 12 2011-01-23 00:03:45 <HackTheGibson> why not opengl
 13 2011-01-23 00:05:31 <luke-jr> shrug
 14 2011-01-23 00:05:38 <luke-jr> I don't care *how* the miner works :p
 15 2011-01-23 00:05:49 <luke-jr> if someone can pull it off with OpenGL, great
 16 2011-01-23 00:14:17 <HackTheGibson> Diablo-D3:
 17 2011-01-23 00:15:08 <Diablo-D3> what?
 18 2011-01-23 00:15:40 <justKidding> wanna make some software for me?
 19 2011-01-23 00:15:48 <justKidding> game startup
 20 2011-01-23 00:16:09 <Diablo-D3> no.
 21 2011-01-23 00:16:19 <justKidding> moneys good
 22 2011-01-23 00:18:29 <joe_1> i want money
 23 2011-01-23 00:18:34 <joe_1> i'll make whatever software u want
 24 2011-01-23 00:19:07 <justKidding> joe_1: hired!
 25 2011-01-23 00:19:14 <justKidding> joe_1: meet me in my office
 26 2011-01-23 00:20:10 <luke-jr> joe_1: I want a SB CPU or GPU miner that can do minimum 8 MH/s :P
 27 2011-01-23 00:20:21 <justKidding> luke-jr: you got the hardware and the cash?
 28 2011-01-23 00:20:35 <justKidding> we aren't making a dedicated miner to run on your "pewter"
 29 2011-01-23 00:20:39 <justKidding> more like bronze
 30 2011-01-23 00:20:40 <justKidding> lol
 31 2011-01-23 00:21:18 <luke-jr> justKidding: I have the hardware, sure. Payment will be 50% of the different from my current mining rate, for the first month.
 32 2011-01-23 00:21:49 <justKidding> luke-jr: sounds like a completely reasonable price
 33 2011-01-23 00:21:53 <luke-jr> current mining rate is 4.5 MH/s I think
 34 2011-01-23 00:21:56 <joe_1> what i would do is start with a miner that already exists and streamline the code a little
 35 2011-01-23 00:21:56 <justKidding> how do I ensure you're legit?
 36 2011-01-23 00:22:10 <justKidding> joe_1: rtfm and find some .src
 37 2011-01-23 00:22:15 <luke-jr> so if only the minimum 8 MH/s is met, you get the yield of 1.75 MH/s for a month
 38 2011-01-23 00:22:32 <justKidding> luke-jr: mhmm how much does electricity cost there?
 39 2011-01-23 00:22:39 <luke-jr> justKidding: nfc
 40 2011-01-23 00:22:54 <justKidding> luke-jr: why not?
 41 2011-01-23 00:22:57 <luke-jr> my PC uses 150 W maxed out :P
 42 2011-01-23 00:23:05 <joe_1> justKidding what software do you need done
 43 2011-01-23 00:23:10 <justKidding> luke-jr: oh sick lol
 44 2011-01-23 00:23:17 <justKidding> luke-jr: custom rig, too. I'd buy one of those for myself
 45 2011-01-23 00:23:21 <luke-jr> SB won't match the leading AMD discrete probably, but it will sure beat it on MH/W :p
 46 2011-01-23 00:23:28 <justKidding> joe_1: ask luke-jr
 47 2011-01-23 00:23:53 <joe_1> so youwant the sb miner
 48 2011-01-23 00:23:57 <luke-jr> yeah
 49 2011-01-23 00:24:01 <nevezen> armagetron eh?
 50 2011-01-23 00:24:08 <luke-jr> ?
 51 2011-01-23 00:24:11 <joe_1> lets start with the basics
 52 2011-01-23 00:24:13 <joe_1> what's sb
 53 2011-01-23 00:24:23 <justKidding> joe_1: I don't even know. "Sandy Bridge"
 54 2011-01-23 00:24:23 <luke-jr> Sandy Bridge
 55 2011-01-23 00:24:27 <justKidding> yeah
 56 2011-01-23 00:24:32 <justKidding> some microprocessor architecture
 57 2011-01-23 00:24:34 <justKidding> brand spankin new
 58 2011-01-23 00:24:44 <andrew12> a sandy bridge would be an unstable bridge indeed
 59 2011-01-23 00:24:53 <justKidding> andrew12: not if it's harnessed correctly
 60 2011-01-23 00:25:07 <andrew12> with wood? then it isn't a sandy bridge
 61 2011-01-23 00:25:13 <justKidding> woods good
 62 2011-01-23 00:25:14 <justKidding> for seats
 63 2011-01-23 00:25:14 <nevezen> Reading you who you are on that page, luke-jr..
 64 2011-01-23 00:25:21 <luke-jr> what page
 65 2011-01-23 00:25:27 <justKidding> wikipedia random page
 66 2011-01-23 00:25:30 <nevezen> not you?
 67 2011-01-23 00:25:32 <nevezen> http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/?page=about
 68 2011-01-23 00:25:50 <luke-jr> ah
 69 2011-01-23 00:26:11 <justKidding> altamic: hey!
 70 2011-01-23 00:26:20 <justKidding> altamic: how's business?
 71 2011-01-23 00:26:38 <altamic> not bad, thank you :)
 72 2011-01-23 00:26:41 <justKidding> http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/?page=freeciv
 73 2011-01-23 00:26:44 <justKidding> looks cool
 74 2011-01-23 00:27:11 <luke-jr> justKidding: never had anyone actually interested in that
 75 2011-01-23 00:27:12 <luke-jr> XD
 76 2011-01-23 00:27:20 <justKidding> luke-jr: srs?
 77 2011-01-23 00:27:23 <luke-jr> yeah
 78 2011-01-23 00:27:25 <justKidding> hahahaha
 79 2011-01-23 00:27:28 <justKidding> luke-jr: hilarious
 80 2011-01-23 00:27:35 <justKidding> luke-jr: you must be a terrible coder
 81 2011-01-23 00:27:39 <justKidding> lucky:
 82 2011-01-23 00:27:39 <luke-jr> &
 83 2011-01-23 00:27:50 <justKidding> just kidding, fool
 84 2011-01-23 00:27:59 <luke-jr> wtf does lack of interest in a game I have nothing to do with, mean anything about my coding? XD
 85 2011-01-23 00:28:06 <justKidding> you gotta be able to sell your code
 86 2011-01-23 00:28:18 <luke-jr> Freeciv hosting doesn't use my code :p
 87 2011-01-23 00:28:28 <justKidding> steal their code and host your own!
 88 2011-01-23 00:28:33 <justKidding> hahahah
 89 2011-01-23 00:28:37 <justKidding> capitalism, bitches
 90 2011-01-23 00:28:40 <Keefe> < luke-jr> SB won't match the leading AMD discrete probably, but it will sure beat it on MH/W :p
 91 2011-01-23 00:28:43 <Keefe> huh?
 92 2011-01-23 00:28:54 <justKidding> Keefe: but AMD is t3h suck
 93 2011-01-23 00:29:00 <luke-jr> Keefe: what?
 94 2011-01-23 00:29:08 <justKidding> luke-jr: AMD
 95 2011-01-23 00:29:11 <justKidding> ""
 96 2011-01-23 00:29:17 <justKidding> "AMD"
 97 2011-01-23 00:29:21 <Keefe> if the top SB chip uses 95W, you have to get more than 200 mhps out of it to even match the radeons' efficeincy
 98 2011-01-23 00:29:22 <luke-jr> yeah, AMD has the leading mining video cards these days
 99 2011-01-23 00:29:23 <luke-jr> so what?
100 2011-01-23 00:29:30 <justKidding> soultcer: they are shit
101 2011-01-23 00:29:48 <luke-jr> Keefe: for a fair comparison, you need to include the CPU power in the Radeon's total watts ;)
102 2011-01-23 00:29:53 <Keefe> and you're talking about maybe getting 8 mhps out of it?
103 2011-01-23 00:30:07 <luke-jr> Keefe: minimum to collect payment
104 2011-01-23 00:30:13 <luke-jr> Keefe: the more the better :P
105 2011-01-23 00:30:17 <justKidding> Keefe: casino royale
106 2011-01-23 00:30:19 <luke-jr> (and the bigger the payment)
107 2011-01-23 00:30:29 <justKidding> kief casino
108 2011-01-23 00:30:31 <justKidding> lol sounds fun
109 2011-01-23 00:30:41 <luke-jr> hmm, I might need to define what happens if multiple people achieve 8 MH/s
110 2011-01-23 00:30:46 <Keefe> i just don't see you getting anywhere close to a radeon's efficiency, especially when you consider the while computer
111 2011-01-23 00:30:49 <Keefe> whole*
112 2011-01-23 00:31:06 <luke-jr> Keefe: I'm not. I use this computer anyway. :p
113 2011-01-23 00:31:08 <justKidding> Keefe: what why
114 2011-01-23 00:31:12 <justKidding> who what when where what why
115 2011-01-23 00:31:14 <luke-jr> it's using power whether I mine or not
116 2011-01-23 00:31:15 <justKidding> what?
117 2011-01-23 00:31:26 <justKidding> luke-jr: solar panels
118 2011-01-23 00:31:35 <Keefe> i have 3 5970's in each of my miner boxes, so the system overhead is minimal
119 2011-01-23 00:31:35 <luke-jr> the GPU itself uses like 10 W more if it's at max
120 2011-01-23 00:32:21 <Keefe> hmm, well maybe you have a point for really small-scale mining
121 2011-01-23 00:32:33 <Keefe> if mining only costs another 10W
122 2011-01-23 00:33:11 <Keefe> you need to get at least 18 mhps for it to be profitable as long as big radeon-based miners will be
123 2011-01-23 00:36:27 <Keefe> ;;bc,calc 18000
124 2011-01-23 00:36:28 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 18000 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 7 weeks, 1 day, 22 hours, 3 minutes, and 13 seconds
125 2011-01-23 00:37:24 <bounced> https://www.umassd.edu/
126 2011-01-23 00:38:02 <Keefe> that's worth about $13/month
127 2011-01-23 00:39:31 <andrew12> i wonder when the lottery draws on taabl will be fixed
128 2011-01-23 00:40:46 <joe_1> we have bitcoin roulette at the cash cow casino
129 2011-01-23 00:40:59 <nevezen> hmm, EFF just wrote something worthwhile about bitcoin..
130 2011-01-23 00:41:43 <andrew12> 2 days ago ;)
131 2011-01-23 00:42:34 <joe_1> wow bitcoin is up to 0.4443
132 2011-01-23 00:42:59 <andrew12> yup!
133 2011-01-23 00:50:30 <joe_1> we're rich
134 2011-01-23 01:00:49 <xelister> nevezen: url?
135 2011-01-23 01:01:08 <bounced> trade data going craaaazy
136 2011-01-23 01:02:41 <andrew12> xelister: I can get it. one sec
137 2011-01-23 01:03:03 <andrew12> xelister: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/01/bitcoin-step-toward-censorship-resistant
138 2011-01-23 01:03:15 <andrew12> xelister: that'd be 1 BTC pl0x. :P
139 2011-01-23 01:04:57 <andrew12> kidding of course
140 2011-01-23 01:19:40 <altamic> where I can find the old bitcoin wiki
141 2011-01-23 01:37:21 <reezer> I have an HD5970 and disabled Crossfire, however I do only see one GPU when I run m0mchil's miner I do only see one device. How can I use the second core on the card?
142 2011-01-23 01:39:59 <bounced> reezer: reseat the card
143 2011-01-23 01:44:14 <bounced> logankoester:
144 2011-01-23 01:45:50 <reezer> I don't think that's the problem. With crossfire enabled I see two devices in the miner and they always visible in aticonfig. It's just that after disabling crossfire I don't see a second one. Should be the other way round :D
145 2011-01-23 01:46:34 <reezer> However with enabled crossfire the second core doesn't produce anything valid
146 2011-01-23 01:50:57 <xelister> reezer: write an angry letter to software developer morons @ ATI
147 2011-01-23 01:51:06 <xelister> I recommend a Subject line  Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
148 2011-01-23 01:51:10 <Keefe> did you delete crossfire chains?
149 2011-01-23 01:51:18 <reezer> Keefe: yes
150 2011-01-23 01:51:26 <xelister> reezer: Xorg lists all devices?
151 2011-01-23 01:51:44 <reezer> xelister: yes
152 2011-01-23 01:52:09 <Keefe> can aticonfig read the clocks and temps for both chips?
153 2011-01-23 01:53:15 <Keefe> and have you rebooted since changing any settings?
154 2011-01-23 01:53:32 <Keefe> sometimes that's necessary
155 2011-01-23 01:53:34 <reezer> yes @ both
156 2011-01-23 01:54:10 <Keefe> and you verified that cf chains didn't get recreated during boot?
157 2011-01-23 01:55:03 <Keefe> and did you make sure DISPLAY=:0 in the context of the miner?
158 2011-01-23 01:55:03 <reezer> yes, I had that earlier, but I started from scratch again and it doesn't do so now
159 2011-01-23 01:55:26 <reezer> Will try that
160 2011-01-23 01:55:31 <xelister> Ati really needs to get its shit in order
161 2011-01-23 01:56:32 <Keefe> did you solve the sdk 2.1 problem?
162 2011-01-23 01:58:10 <reezer> yes, as I said I uninstalled everything and this fixed most of my problems
163 2011-01-23 02:05:09 <OneFixt> http://www.quora.com/Is-Bitcoin-doomed-to-fail
164 2011-01-23 02:05:24 <OneFixt> "On the other hand the cost of compromising the Bitcoin network for 48h with 2000 malicious CPUs would be, at a current price of $0.20/CPU/hour (EC2 simple instance), $19,200." <----- fail
165 2011-01-23 02:06:08 <reezer> I restarted, rechecked everything and using the DISPLAY context gives me two devices again, but they still  share one GPU
166 2011-01-23 02:07:16 <reezer> Sorry, regarding X I am without any plan
167 2011-01-23 02:09:01 <nevezen> what an article..
168 2011-01-23 02:09:07 <dooglus> slush: I don't know if you got ssh installed or not, but ctrl+alt+F1 should give you a login prompt even if X isn't working
169 2011-01-23 02:09:22 <dooglus> (rather than typing apt-get blinding, or putting the disk in another box)
170 2011-01-23 02:09:29 <dooglus> blindly*
171 2011-01-23 02:14:57 <reezer> aticonfig says crossfire is disabled, even using the display. But I don't really understand why this makes a difference. Shouldn't the miner use this display anyway. There aren't any others, right?
172 2011-01-23 02:15:16 <Diablo-D3> reezer: display has a funny definition
173 2011-01-23 02:15:33 <Diablo-D3> DISPLAY=:0 is "all" monitors belonging to display 0
174 2011-01-23 02:16:12 <Diablo-D3> [09:37:21] <reezer> I have an HD5970 and disabled Crossfire, however I do only see one GPU when I run m0mchil's miner I do only see one device. How can I use the second core on the card?
175 2011-01-23 02:16:14 <Diablo-D3> uh dude
176 2011-01-23 02:16:22 <Diablo-D3> you have to run multiple copies of m0's
177 2011-01-23 02:16:31 <Diablo-D3> you want my miner if you want mine to grab all of them
178 2011-01-23 02:16:35 <reezer> yeah, that's what I do
179 2011-01-23 02:17:00 <reezer> They still share one core for some reason
180 2011-01-23 02:17:16 <Diablo-D3> because you have to set one as :0.1 and the other :0.2
181 2011-01-23 02:18:29 <Diablo-D3> or was it 0.0 and 0.1
182 2011-01-23 02:18:40 <Diablo-D3> subdisplays refer to specific GPUs
183 2011-01-23 02:19:28 <Keefe> for my miner, i set DISPLAY=:0
184 2011-01-23 02:19:46 <Keefe> and pass a param to use the nth gpu found
185 2011-01-23 02:19:56 <Diablo-D3> yeah m0's doesnt
186 2011-01-23 02:21:09 <Diablo-D3> reezer: try mine and see if it works
187 2011-01-23 02:21:50 <Kiba> we are not right on everything, but that is not transparent
188 2011-01-23 02:21:57 <Kiba> everything in the mind seems to be right
189 2011-01-23 02:22:31 <Kiba> and something we just don't know stuff to be wrong about
190 2011-01-23 02:23:09 <Keefe> 2000 cpus? haha. more like 100K cpus
191 2011-01-23 02:23:25 <reezer> yeah, I already tried this... uhm, now I confused myself. First I set both of them to the same value by accident, then I realized one was using the CPU instead and... well, okay will play a bit with it :D
192 2011-01-23 02:23:45 <OneFixt> you'd need about 22,500 CPUS to get close to half the network
193 2011-01-23 02:25:40 <Kiba> so 22,500 hijacked computers then
194 2011-01-23 02:25:46 <Kiba> or maybe some of them are dual-core
195 2011-01-23 02:27:06 <Keefe> a dual-core intel core-i5 only does 2 mhps
196 2011-01-23 02:27:24 <Keefe> you'd need almost 100K of those
197 2011-01-23 02:27:27 <nevezen> same with a dual core amd64 x2 4000+
198 2011-01-23 02:28:30 <reezer> Diablo-D3: It uses both, but does the hasmeter output the speed per core or the total value?
199 2011-01-23 02:28:38 <reezer> hashmeter*
200 2011-01-23 02:28:40 <xelister> modify stunex to infect ArtForz's miner
201 2011-01-23 02:29:18 <Cusipzzz> xelister: lol
202 2011-01-23 02:32:24 <reezer> oh and anyone knows something about the maximum heat that a 5970 can bear? I don't really want to try it :D
203 2011-01-23 02:34:23 <Keefe> i've run mine as hot as 95 C when testing, and when the weather gets too warm
204 2011-01-23 02:34:29 <Keefe> but i prefer ~80 C
205 2011-01-23 02:52:33 <tcatm> Yay, just introduced bitcoins to someone via a forum where I sold something and offered payment via bitcoins.
206 2011-01-23 02:53:14 <Cusipzzz> tcatm: nice
207 2011-01-23 02:55:18 <Keefe> reezer: i once set the fan to a low speed for testing and forgot it for a few minutes. the temp hit 100 C and the card throttled itself to 550mhz. it has been running fine since without problems
208 2011-01-23 02:55:27 <luke-jr> [22:54:50] <bitcoincharts> TX 17nbtSi2b1BEVk6x86MEYXFTDnqNf8gSCg 0.05 BTC 1Fig3oBSWVY9AkdJhqcUrJ4SYnim8UsFDx ??424 TBC 9979a64519d073afa59fb9dc61389d10593795573ce22bc5a7c257396548dcfd
209 2011-01-23 02:55:51 <luke-jr> tcatm: what is more likely, ??424 TBC even, or 40.96 BTC? :P
210 2011-01-23 02:56:30 <tcatm> 40.96
211 2011-01-23 02:56:34 <luke-jr> :p
212 2011-01-23 02:56:53 <tcatm> Looks like I should remove TBC support
213 2011-01-23 02:56:56 <luke-jr> no
214 2011-01-23 02:57:13 <luke-jr> it made a good guess
215 2011-01-23 02:58:06 <luke-jr> the problem is really the unpredictability of change
216 2011-01-23 02:58:41 <luke-jr> it's not necessarily a sensible value to humans :P
217 2011-01-23 03:00:35 <luke-jr> [19:37:18] <bitcoincharts> TX 1LwwmfVVMRN3Fhqzsn1mpPusxV7NZSSdvP 20.00 BTC 1A9wsw67UGS1xi25v1ansS3w6xE9i7zT16 1546822 uBTCents 46fc23f682c8cbe807d9d8a5ed11239c69a4f1d8cb890efcdc07ff43dd761f9c
218 2011-01-23 03:00:53 <luke-jr> I wonder if this kind of analysis could allow identifying change
219 2011-01-23 03:01:36 <luke-jr> for the BTC/TBC one, it could look at the 3 possible interpretations: 0.05 BTC, 40.96 BTC, and ??424 TBC
220 2011-01-23 03:01:51 <luke-jr> deduce that a human is significantly more likely to spent 0.05 BTC than the others
221 2011-01-23 03:02:02 <luke-jr> and decide that 0.05 is the real tx value
222 2011-01-23 03:02:59 <luke-jr> [23:00:44] <bitcoincharts> TX 1KDaJEbUuehQsbecRnZqHVJguF5UtFpvXk 0.09 BTC 125NU1PceAp1W18eG5AU5TbWWgXTKmiT4Q 44.97 BTC b4a0bd0c9c255bc3c4ad67c7ea7d1fbba6bb95a6a0faae139c96816b28cb9fc1
223 2011-01-23 03:03:08 <luke-jr> that would be a harder one to analyze :|
224 2011-01-23 03:03:10 <luke-jr> tcatm: thoughts?
225 2011-01-23 03:05:30 <tcatm> dropping TBC support is very easy and will fix it for > 99% of all cases
226 2011-01-23 03:05:58 <luke-jr> tcatm: don't be silly
227 2011-01-23 03:06:18 <reezer> heh, I believe my PSU just died
228 2011-01-23 03:06:33 <luke-jr> it's not broken
229 2011-01-23 03:06:39 <luke-jr> reezer: if it did, you wouldn't be here :P
230 2011-01-23 03:07:10 <reezer> Hmm?
231 2011-01-23 03:08:40 <luke-jr> tcatm: while that TBC value didn't exist for any human, neither did its BTC equivalent
232 2011-01-23 03:09:13 <luke-jr> tcatm: those dual-interpretation values are likely only going to be seen in change values, which aren't really for human interpretation anyway
233 2011-01-23 03:09:36 <tcatm> So everything is okay ;)
234 2011-01-23 03:09:51 <Diablo-D3> reezer: total value
235 2011-01-23 03:09:56 <Diablo-D3> and it lists multiple at the start
236 2011-01-23 03:09:59 <luke-jr> yeah, I just thought some of the change was interesting
237 2011-01-23 03:10:16 <luke-jr> even weird uBTCents when not converting between Tonal and Decimal coins
238 2011-01-23 03:10:32 <luke-jr> kinda wonder how that happened
239 2011-01-23 03:11:23 <luke-jr> we'd certainly see it more often if slush wasn't scamming people\n187413
240 2011-01-23 03:11:48 <tcatm> He's  not scamming
241 2011-01-23 03:12:01 <tcatm> no, only TXouts
242 2011-01-23 03:12:02 <luke-jr> tcatm: he even agrees himself that he is in fact scamming :P
243 2011-01-23 03:12:18 <tcatm> How does he scam?
244 2011-01-23 03:12:51 <luke-jr> he keeps a revolving balance for everyone less than 1 cBTC
245 2011-01-23 03:14:07 <tcatm> That's okay. AFAIK those subcents will be paidonce they are >= 0.01 BTC
246 2011-01-23 03:14:26 <luke-jr> at which time, slush has a new sub-1cBTC balance he keeps
247 2011-01-23 03:14:27 <luke-jr> :p
248 2011-01-23 03:15:17 <tcatm> Don't see a problem with it.
249 2011-01-23 03:15:45 <Keefe> quite petty to accuse him of scamming over fractions of a penny
250 2011-01-23 03:15:49 <tcatm> If you want your full 50 BTC coinbase mine without a pool :P
251 2011-01-23 03:15:53 <Keefe> when there's an obvious reason
252 2011-01-23 03:15:55 <luke-jr> tcatm: no problem, still scam
253 2011-01-23 03:15:57 <luke-jr> :p
254 2011-01-23 03:16:08 <joe_1> in this case he just needs to pay the prime borrow rate to people that have sub cent balances
255 2011-01-23 03:16:09 <luke-jr> Keefe: no reason in my case
256 2011-01-23 03:16:32 <luke-jr> I don't mind, but I call it what it is :P
257 2011-01-23 03:16:47 <Keefe> would you call it a scam if he stated the way it is, in the TOS or w/e?
258 2011-01-23 03:16:56 <luke-jr> shrug
259 2011-01-23 03:17:07 <luke-jr> as long as he calls it a scam, I see no problem with the term
260 2011-01-23 03:19:11 <Keefe> i suppose you could say the same about fractional cents in mtgox $ balances
261 2011-01-23 03:19:37 <Keefe> you can have $1.234 at mtgox and are only able to withdraw $1.23
262 2011-01-23 03:19:37 <luke-jr> dunno, never used mtgox
263 2011-01-23 03:20:09 <luke-jr> well, USD doesn't really have sub-cent values
264 2011-01-23 03:20:14 <Keefe> mainly because he can't send fractional cents by LR or any other way
265 2011-01-23 03:20:36 <Keefe> so they're either kept in your mtgox acct or discarded. he chose the former
266 2011-01-23 03:20:38 <tcatm> I have $0.22 stuck at bitcoin-central :/
267 2011-01-23 03:20:40 <luke-jr> there's no technical reason one couldn't send a full bitcoin balance
268 2011-01-23 03:21:21 <Keefe> tcatm: LR$?
269 2011-01-23 03:21:25 <tcatm> yep
270 2011-01-23 03:21:41 <Keefe> there's a minimum withdrawal amt?
271 2011-01-23 03:21:50 <joe_1> if mtgox wanted to, they would really only have to keep 10 or 20% of the total bitcoin balances
272 2011-01-23 03:22:17 <tcatm> no, but why should I go through the trouble withdrawing LR$0.22, converting to EUR and transfer it to my bank account?
273 2011-01-23 03:22:37 <tcatm> I'd rather buy bitcoins for them
274 2011-01-23 03:23:09 <Keefe> so they're not stuck
275 2011-01-23 03:23:32 <herro> Keefe: camels are the best
276 2011-01-23 03:23:33 <herro> cigarettes
277 2011-01-23 03:23:39 <tcatm> Well "soft" stuck
278 2011-01-23 03:23:40 <herro> old school joe camel
279 2011-01-23 03:24:13 <Keefe> wrong chan herro?
280 2011-01-23 03:24:41 <herro> huh?
281 2011-01-23 03:25:14 <joe_1> newports are the best cigarette
282 2011-01-23 03:25:36 <hacim> ?
283 2011-01-23 03:25:40 <tcatm> I wonder how many blocks I'll mine today. I got 5 (avg should be ~3..4/day for my miner) in 5 hours.
284 2011-01-23 03:25:51 <joe_1> i will sell them for 150 coins a pack
285 2011-01-23 03:26:08 <hacim> tcatm: damn, what kind of hardware are you running?
286 2011-01-23 03:26:16 <Cusipzzz> tcatm: mbfn :)
287 2011-01-23 03:26:28 <hacim> i haven't got a single block today
288 2011-01-23 03:26:36 <nevezen> that's pricey joe_1 :P
289 2011-01-23 03:27:02 <joe_1> sorry i mis calculated
290 2011-01-23 03:27:16 <joe_1> 19 coins a pack
291 2011-01-23 03:27:25 <joe_1> 150 coins a carton
292 2011-01-23 03:28:19 <hacim> joe_1: deal, send me the coins
293 2011-01-23 03:28:41 <tcatm> hacim: just some GPUs
294 2011-01-23 03:28:54 <joe_1> hacim sorry i was selling the cigarettes not buying
295 2011-01-23 03:29:10 <nevezen> I tried newports before.. they're not much different than other menthol cigarettes.
296 2011-01-23 03:29:34 <joe_1> no they're better cause they're the only menthol cigarette that still lets through the actual tobacco taste
297 2011-01-23 03:30:17 <nevezen> the best I've smoked are djarum blacks
298 2011-01-23 03:30:31 <nevezen> but they're no longer being sold as cigarettes but cigars
299 2011-01-23 03:30:41 <joe_1> o
300 2011-01-23 03:30:46 <nevezen> some funky american import ban
301 2011-01-23 03:32:56 <hacim> tcatm: i guess some days are your lucky day
302 2011-01-23 03:33:22 <tcatm> hacim: yep
303 2011-01-23 03:57:10 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 3500
304 2011-01-23 03:57:11 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 3500 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 37 weeks, 2 days, 20 hours, 50 minutes, and 51 seconds
305 2011-01-23 04:45:16 <nevezen> are there people willing to spend that time for results? 37 weeks?
306 2011-01-23 04:58:32 <Keefe> nevezen: they could get lucky and find a block in the first day
307 2011-01-23 04:58:51 <Keefe> or they could crunch numbers for years and never find anything
308 2011-01-23 04:59:45 <Keefe> i'd say that anyone mining on their own with that kind of power, is the kind of person that likes gambling
309 2011-01-23 05:04:59 <[Noodles]> or just likes to support the network. how long does it take on average to find E.T.? people run SETI anyway
310 2011-01-23 05:07:39 <Keefe> haha
311 2011-01-23 05:07:45 <Keefe> true
312 2011-01-23 06:37:29 <nevezen> ic
313 2011-01-23 06:39:02 <andrew12> ci
314 2011-01-23 06:43:56 <andrew12> 3 blocks in 5 minutes!
315 2011-01-23 06:45:24 <andrew12> 4 in 6!
316 2011-01-23 06:45:26 <andrew12> what's going on!
317 2011-01-23 06:45:28 <andrew12> LOL
318 2011-01-23 06:47:11 <Kiba> lucky day?
319 2011-01-23 06:47:36 <andrew12> they aren't my blocks, i've just seen them in -monitor
320 2011-01-23 06:48:13 <andrew12> night guys
321 2011-01-23 08:50:39 <samfisher> hi
322 2011-01-23 08:50:51 <samfisher> how can I see the time remaining to the change of diff?
323 2011-01-23 08:51:03 <ArtForz> ;;bc,stats
324 2011-01-23 08:51:06 <gribble> Current Blocks: 104148 | Current Difficulty: 18437.64439217 | Next Difficulty At Block: 104831 | Next Difficulty In: 683 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 0 hours, 56 minutes, and 53 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 21857.11764436
325 2011-01-23 08:51:47 <ArtForz> it's only an estimate based on history of blocks/h, but usually not too far off
326 2011-01-23 09:11:18 <samfisher> ArtForz: not too far? a few digits? or thousands?
327 2011-01-23 09:12:03 <lfm> within 1000 probably
328 2011-01-23 09:13:13 <ArtForz> well, the block count is accurate
329 2011-01-23 09:13:53 <ArtForz> iirc est. time remaining is simply blocks remaining * avg time per block so far in this difficulty period
330 2011-01-23 09:14:41 <ArtForz> usually accurate to a few h after 50% or so of a difficulty period have elapsed
331 2011-01-23 09:25:21 <noagendamarket> howdy everyone...we are just about to go live with the witcoin site and want to see how it runs with a few users.
332 2011-01-23 09:25:31 <noagendamarket> #witcoin
333 2011-01-23 09:25:41 <noagendamarket> if you want to give us some feedback
334 2011-01-23 09:28:54 <satamusic> whats witcoin?
335 2011-01-23 09:30:11 <noagendamarket> satamusic http://witcoin.com
336 2011-01-23 09:32:28 <satamusic> hmm
337 2011-01-23 09:32:31 <satamusic> don't get it
338 2011-01-23 09:35:25 <noagendamarket> statmusic when you submit content and people vote for it both the people who voted and you get a cut
339 2011-01-23 09:38:07 <andrew12^droid> "Its like reddit or digg but for bitcoins"
340 2011-01-23 09:38:34 <andrew12^droid> It's*
341 2011-01-23 09:38:52 <noagendamarket> crediit :)
342 2011-01-23 09:39:04 <noagendamarket> or creddit lol
343 2011-01-23 09:43:04 <noagendamarket> we need a faw-wit lol
344 2011-01-23 09:43:13 <noagendamarket> *faq- wit
345 2011-01-23 09:44:46 <satamusic> hmm like flattr, right?
346 2011-01-23 09:45:07 <noagendamarket> not at the moment
347 2011-01-23 09:45:18 <noagendamarket> but that is a possibible update
348 2011-01-23 09:45:32 <satamusic> meaning it only works on witcoin.com
349 2011-01-23 09:45:46 <satamusic> ah ^
350 2011-01-23 09:45:52 <noagendamarket> well with the onsite wallet
351 2011-01-23 09:45:54 <satamusic> sorry, i have terrible lag
352 2011-01-23 09:46:18 <noagendamarket> we could easily do a javascript button
353 2011-01-23 09:46:27 <noagendamarket> that links to your account
354 2011-01-23 09:46:59 <noagendamarket> as well as let people set an amount for certain answers
355 2011-01-23 09:47:12 <noagendamarket> so if you need a specialized answer\n187559
356 2011-01-23 09:49:14 <noagendamarket> yep or just answer
357 2011-01-23 09:49:49 <ArtForz> or expert-sexchange ;)
358 2011-01-23 09:49:56 <satamusic> exactly!
359 2011-01-23 09:50:01 <noagendamarket> haha
360 2011-01-23 09:50:03 <satamusic> i was trying to remember the name :)
361 2011-01-23 09:55:44 <noagendamarket> another feature is you will be able to create categories
362 2011-01-23 09:56:27 <noagendamarket> and you will earn a percentage of the action lol
363 2011-01-23 09:57:28 <noagendamarket> no doubt someone will start the category t.witcoin.co lol
364 2011-01-23 09:57:41 <noagendamarket> each category will be a subdomain
365 2011-01-23 10:02:11 <noagendamarket> the best part is people can submit a bug report on the site and it will get voted up thus meaning it incentivises us to fix it lol
366 2011-01-23 10:20:34 <andrew12^droid> Hmm.
367 2011-01-23 10:20:42 <lfm> Total value of transactions: 2.10502e+07
368 2011-01-23 10:21:02 <andrew12^droid> Curious if that nick was my desktop, but I can't get up to check
369 2011-01-23 10:21:11 <andrew12^droid> lfm: wat
370 2011-01-23 10:21:30 <lfm> added up the value of all the txn ever
371 2011-01-23 10:21:57 <andrew12^droid> Wouldn't that just be the total # of bitcoins?
372 2011-01-23 10:21:58 <sipa> interesting
373 2011-01-23 10:22:23 <lfm> not really too meaningfull cuz it includes "change`returned to the payer
374 2011-01-23 10:22:24 <andrew12^droid> Also don't use scientific notation unless the number is more than 8 digits
375 2011-01-23 10:22:39 <lfm> just %g format
376 2011-01-23 10:22:55 <andrew12^droid> %g?
377 2011-01-23 10:23:13 <lfm> you eber heard of a programming language called `C`??
378 2011-01-23 10:23:31 <sipa> try %.9g
379 2011-01-23 10:23:48 <lfm> dame keyboard is in forein mode again, brb...
380 2011-01-23 10:25:34 <lfm> so Im lazy I just use %g
381 2011-01-23 10:34:19 <slush1> ;;bc,stats
382 2011-01-23 10:34:20 <gribble> Current Blocks: 104154 | Current Difficulty: 18437.64439217 | Next Difficulty At Block: 104831 | Next Difficulty In: 677 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 0 hours, 28 minutes, and 21 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 21759.77950936
383 2011-01-23 10:42:38 <btcex> hi all!
384 2011-01-23 10:43:18 <btcex> question: how I can determine what block contains this transaction (by txid)?
385 2011-01-23 10:43:21 <btcex> from CLI
386 2011-01-23 10:43:54 <btcex> question: how I can determine which block contains this transaction (by txid)?
387 2011-01-23 10:46:52 <ArtForz> nope
388 2011-01-23 10:47:17 <ArtForz> client can't do it currently, you either need a external tool or use BBE
389 2011-01-23 10:49:51 <btcex> ArtForz: pity (
390 2011-01-23 10:50:29 <btcex> It looks like the next step after adding listtransactions
391 2011-01-23 10:52:31 <lfm> btcex why do you need to know?
392 2011-01-23 10:53:44 <btcex> lfm: I want to implement "random" number generator for probiwon.com based on block hash
393 2011-01-23 10:54:09 <btcex> It would be verifiable and at the same random
394 2011-01-23 10:54:59 <lfm> btcex so a lottery or a numbers game? If it was me, Id just write my own program to read the block database
395 2011-01-23 10:56:35 <btcex> lfm: Yes, lottery. I am like reusable code
396 2011-01-23 10:56:59 <btcex> My own program needs my own DB etc...
397 2011-01-23 10:57:18 <lfm> the block explorer can show you all that stuff
398 2011-01-23 10:59:47 <btcex> lfm: Yes. This is my idea: any player can find his transaction and get hash of block.
399 2011-01-23 11:00:29 <btcex> sha256(block hash + txid) = coords of arrow
400 2011-01-23 11:02:10 <lfm> so if he sends it to a lottery btc address you can search for txn to that address
401 2011-01-23 11:02:29 <lfm> plus the timestamps help narrow em down
402 2011-01-23 11:03:36 <lfm> has of txn is different from hash of txn. you prolly want hash opf txn so you dont have two or more txn in the same block with the same block hash
403 2011-01-23 11:04:02 <lfm> hash of block is different from hash of txn
404 2011-01-23 11:04:35 <btcex> timestamp my be predicted
405 2011-01-23 11:04:49 <btcex> may*
406 2011-01-23 11:04:50 <lfm> not exactly no
407 2011-01-23 11:05:23 <btcex> lfm: i am already getting txid of all transactions to probiwon.com
408 2011-01-23 11:05:26 <lfm> but if you know the time of the txn you can find the block you want pretty quick usually
409 2011-01-23 11:05:38 <btcex> byt i am need way to get block hash of transactions
410 2011-01-23 11:05:40 <btcex> but*
411 2011-01-23 11:06:03 <btcex> from CLI
412 2011-01-23 11:06:08 <lfm> but two txn can be the same block hash
413 2011-01-23 11:07:23 <btcex> I do not have the resources to replicate the database of bitcoin in SQL and disembowel it as I conveniently by requests.
414 2011-01-23 11:07:39 <btcex> lfm: yes, same. but I propose + txid
415 2011-01-23 11:07:48 <lfm> ah ok
416 2011-01-23 11:07:53 <btcex> +txid randomizes results for users
417 2011-01-23 11:08:25 <btcex> for casino same result of all users of block does not matter at all
418 2011-01-23 11:09:14 <lfm> ok so when you look up a txn hash in blockexplorer it gives you Total value of transactions: 2.10502e+07
419 2011-01-23 11:09:25 <lfm> oops wrong button
420 2011-01-23 11:09:34 <lfm> # Appeared in block 104156 (2011-01-23 11:47:22)
421 2011-01-23 11:10:00 <lfm> ok so when you look up a txn hash in blockexplorer it gives you # Appeared in block 104156 (2011-01-23 11:47:22)
422 2011-01-23 11:10:12 <lfm> with a link
423 2011-01-23 11:10:18 <btcex> lfm: and block hash is 000000001235667566723e65
424 2011-01-23 11:10:40 <lfm> first part anyway
425 2011-01-23 11:10:43 <btcex> hash of block I mean
426 2011-01-23 11:10:46 <btcex> yes
427 2011-01-23 11:10:59 <lfm> actual hashes are mostly 32 bytes
428 2011-01-23 11:11:10 <btcex> but I am use sha256(block hash + txid)
429 2011-01-23 11:11:28 <btcex> and it is gives random string for me
430 2011-01-23 11:11:56 <lfm> ya a couple 32 byte hashes
431 2011-01-23 11:12:20 <btcex> and i am use first 4 bytes for lottery result
432 2011-01-23 11:13:14 <lfm> first 4 bytes of block hashes are not as random cuz they got a lot of leading zeros
433 2011-01-23 11:13:19 <btcex> it will be random bytes, but player can check what they are not generated by me on blockexplorer
434 2011-01-23 11:13:41 <samfisher> how can I see on mt gox the minimum price for the last week?
435 2011-01-23 11:13:49 <btcex> lfm: lottery_result = get_first_4bytes( sha256(block hash + txid) )
436 2011-01-23 11:14:03 <btcex> samfisher: sha256(block hash + txid)
437 2011-01-23 11:14:08 <btcex> oops)))
438 2011-01-23 11:14:11 <btcex> samfisher: https://mtgox.com/trade/megaChart
439 2011-01-23 11:14:49 <btcex> cool misspoke :)
440 2011-01-23 11:14:54 <lfm> ya still first 4 bytes of block hash are a lot of zeros that are not as random as they could be if you used a different 4 bytes
441 2011-01-23 11:15:03 <ArtForz> technically workable, for small sums
442 2011-01-23 11:15:19 <btcex> lfm: it is not random but sha256 hash of hash block is random
443 2011-01-23 11:15:33 <btcex> of block hash
444 2011-01-23 11:15:33 <lfm> depending how you select "first"
445 2011-01-23 11:15:56 <lfm> no! sha hash of non random number is not as random
446 2011-01-23 11:15:56 <samfisher> btcex: can you please confirm that the price for this week, until today price was higher than 0.32?
447 2011-01-23 11:16:00 <btcex> lfm: literally, take the first 4 bytes
448 2011-01-23 11:16:27 <lfm> btcex ya but is it little endian or bigendian hash?
449 2011-01-23 11:16:32 <btcex> samfisher: price avail only at trade moment
450 2011-01-23 11:16:50 <btcex> samfisher: such exchange Buddhism
451 2011-01-23 11:17:20 <lfm> first 4 bytes is ambiguous with sha256
452 2011-01-23 11:17:24 <btcex> lfm: hm... :) like on x86 :)
453 2011-01-23 11:17:35 <btcex> lfm: why?
454 2011-01-23 11:17:58 <btcex> 2 bytes for x coord and 2 for y coord of arrow on picture with target
455 2011-01-23 11:18:02 <lfm> cuz there are a lot of byte swaps done and it depends when you get it
456 2011-01-23 11:18:46 <btcex> II done the tests - it is quite by accident. I made 100,000 attempts.
457 2011-01-23 11:18:56 <lfm> sometimes the display of a hash is last byte first
458 2011-01-23 11:19:15 <lfm> haha is that all?
459 2011-01-23 11:19:31 <btcex> lfm: ok, i can get 1 and 3 byte for x and 2 and 4 for y
460 2011-01-23 11:19:39 <btcex> because target is circle
461 2011-01-23 11:19:55 <btcex> it will be not matter from byte order :)
462 2011-01-23 11:20:17 <sipa> 13:15:56 < lfm> no! sha hash of non random number is not as random   --> eh, i hope it is
463 2011-01-23 11:20:33 <lfm> try byte 14, 15, 16, 17 they should always be good no matter which endian you take from
464 2011-01-23 11:20:38 <btcex> my english is bad, sorry
465 2011-01-23 11:20:52 <lfm> you statistics are bad too
466 2011-01-23 11:21:00 <sipa> lfm: all bytes are equally random
467 2011-01-23 11:21:01 <btcex> i mean what sha is not random but block hash is random and hash of block hash is more random
468 2011-01-23 11:21:07 <btcex> and +txid adds some salt to hash
469 2011-01-23 11:21:32 <lfm> if you hash(0) it will always be the same no matter how random it "looks"
470 2011-01-23 11:21:40 <btcex> lfm: yes
471 2011-01-23 11:21:50 <sipa> of course, it is not random, but it is patternless
472 2011-01-23 11:21:58 <sipa> it is still a deterministic function
473 2011-01-23 11:22:14 <lfm> so if you hash(block + txn but block is always zero then you just hash txn and txn is also predictable
474 2011-01-23 11:22:26 <btcex> lfm: I officially invite you beat my casino when I implement this thing. Ok? :)
475 2011-01-23 11:22:26 <sipa> heh
476 2011-01-23 11:22:35 <ArtForz> will do
477 2011-01-23 11:22:53 <lfm> ok when you lose your shirt dont blame me
478 2011-01-23 11:23:02 <btcex> <lfm> so if you hash(block + txn but block is always zero then you just hash txn and txn is also predictable
479 2011-01-23 11:23:11 <btcex> why block hash is always zero?
480 2011-01-23 11:23:19 <btcex> hash of block
481 2011-01-23 11:23:39 <lfm> first 4 bytes of block hash is always zero if you pick the wrong end
482 2011-01-23 11:23:56 <ArtForz> that'd be the last 4 bytes ;)
483 2011-01-23 11:23:56 <btcex> lfm: i dont use block hash for lottery result!111
484 2011-01-23 11:24:06 <ArtForz> still doesn't matter
485 2011-01-23 11:24:11 <btcex> i will be use hash of block of hash for it
486 2011-01-23 11:24:23 <btcex> i will be use hash of block hash for it
487 2011-01-23 11:24:28 <sipa> doesn't even matter
488 2011-01-23 11:24:29 <sipa> there is a finite amount of blocks
489 2011-01-23 11:24:32 <sipa> i can try all
490 2011-01-23 11:24:52 <lfm> yup 4 bytes is bruteforcable
491 2011-01-23 11:25:02 <btcex> sipa: thousands CPUs and GPUs every 10 minutes trying to find hash of block. yes?
492 2011-01-23 11:25:10 <ArtForz> doesnt matter if it's bruteforcable either
493 2011-01-23 11:25:11 <btcex> and you can find it all?
494 2011-01-23 11:25:14 <lfm> yes 32 byte hash
495 2011-01-23 11:25:15 <sipa> no
496 2011-01-23 11:25:21 <sipa> i'm referring to real blocks
497 2011-01-23 11:25:25 <sipa> they are known
498 2011-01-23 11:25:48 <lfm> sipa future blocks not known except for leading bytes of zeros
499 2011-01-23 11:26:03 <sipa> yes, maybe i'm not understanding what it's all about :)
500 2011-01-23 11:26:18 <btcex> sipa: real blocks are already "played", casino will use for result block which contain bet
501 2011-01-23 11:26:23 <ArtForz> except whoever mines the block knows its hash before he broadcasts it
502 2011-01-23 11:26:34 <btcex> lfm: yes
503 2011-01-23 11:27:14 <btcex> ArtForz: max bet is less whan 50 BTC
504 2011-01-23 11:27:31 <btcex> it makes no sense
505 2011-01-23 11:27:44 <btcex> hm...
506 2011-01-23 11:27:50 <btcex> no, you right
507 2011-01-23 11:28:09 <btcex> hopefully that will not happen
508 2011-01-23 11:28:11 <btcex> :3
509 2011-01-23 11:28:47 <lfm> good plan, hope it wont happen
510 2011-01-23 11:29:06 <btcex> My scheme is subject to double spending
511 2011-01-23 11:29:11 <btcex> :(
512 2011-01-23 11:29:47 <btcex> if anybody get result of generation it can double spend bet coin?
513 2011-01-23 11:30:08 <btcex> faster when generated block distributed over network?
514 2011-01-23 11:30:13 <btcex> or not?
515 2011-01-23 11:30:28 <btcex> oh, not
516 2011-01-23 11:31:15 <btcex> I got confused, it is real scheme, what allows me to get rich! !111
517 2011-01-23 11:31:56 <lfm> you look at block on bitcoinexplorer and "fist" 4 bytes of block hashes are always zeros
518 2011-01-23 11:32:38 <sipa> so, i hope he doesn't use just those
519 2011-01-23 11:33:14 <lfm> you look at blocks in hexh dump of blk0001.dat and "first" 4 bytes of block hashes are nonzero and last 4 bytes are zero
520 2011-01-23 11:33:24 <btcex> lfm: again: for lottery result I use sha256( block hash )
521 2011-01-23 11:33:53 <Keefe> what's the current difficulty of the testnet?
522 2011-01-23 11:33:59 <lfm> bt so you ignore block hash and txn hash is quite predictable
523 2011-01-23 11:34:15 <sipa> he doesn't ignore it
524 2011-01-23 11:34:16 <lfm> keef 386 or something
525 2011-01-23 11:34:28 <btcex> lfm: why I ignore it?
526 2011-01-23 11:34:34 <lfm> if its always zero its ignored +0 is ignored
527 2011-01-23 11:34:46 <sipa> he doesn't just use the first 32 bits
528 2011-01-23 11:34:49 <sipa> i think?
529 2011-01-23 11:34:51 <btcex> txid can be setted by player directly, as i know
530 2011-01-23 11:34:53 <sipa> or last
531 2011-01-23 11:36:01 <btcex> sha256( '000000000002868a3521c9787c4837f7571d3d14d89007749fa2d265878c6c62' )
532 2011-01-23 11:36:03 <btcex> last block
533 2011-01-23 11:36:11 <btcex> result is: "e968d507358fe18e7db6e948c761c2bc36ab20b6fb5a8959ac300b36e506d15d"
534 2011-01-23 11:36:29 <sipa> you did lose some entropy, because part of the input is known
535 2011-01-23 11:36:35 <sipa> but it's still more than enough
536 2011-01-23 11:36:36 <btcex> first bytes x = e968 y = d507
537 2011-01-23 11:36:47 <lfm> btcex I thot you said 4 bytes??
538 2011-01-23 11:37:01 <sipa> e968d507 = 4 bytes
539 2011-01-23 11:37:07 <btcex> sipa: yes,
540 2011-01-23 11:37:23 <lfm> ok thats different
541 2011-01-23 11:37:32 <btcex> <sipa> you did lose some entropy, because part of the input is known
542 2011-01-23 11:37:33 <btcex> yes
543 2011-01-23 11:37:47 <btcex> but difficulty protect casino
544 2011-01-23 11:37:53 <samfisher> does anyone knows how the british betting odds system works?
545 2011-01-23 11:37:57 <btcex> for 10 minutes of hashing
546 2011-01-23 11:38:04 <btcex> of generating
547 2011-01-23 11:38:15 <lfm> btcex 10 min??
548 2011-01-23 11:38:18 <samfisher> if odds are 10/11 it means for each 11 pounds i bet, I get 10?
549 2011-01-23 11:38:32 <samfisher> ori I get 11+10=21?
550 2011-01-23 11:38:33 <btcex> lfm: block generated each 10 min?
551 2011-01-23 11:39:08 <lfm> btcex ok on average ya
552 2011-01-23 11:39:25 <lfm> Average interval since last diff change: 8.46 min
553 2011-01-23 11:39:32 <lfm> Average interval last 144 blocks: 8.18 min
554 2011-01-23 11:39:33 <btcex> we can also add fixed salt
555 2011-01-23 11:39:58 <btcex> then generate blocks specifically for the casino would not be profitable
556 2011-01-23 11:40:10 <sipa> if you don't want to lose the entropy, do the block hash yourself, but including a salt
557 2011-01-23 11:40:33 <sipa> so sha256(salt + blockheader) instead of sha256(sha256(blockheader))
558 2011-01-23 11:40:45 <btcex> yes
559 2011-01-23 11:40:59 <sipa> but it will hardly gain you anything
560 2011-01-23 11:41:00 <btcex> sha256(salt + blockheader + txid) for random results for various users
561 2011-01-23 11:41:12 <sipa> yes
562 2011-01-23 11:41:25 <ArtForz> so now the casino can try a bunch of salts until it finds a "losing" one...
563 2011-01-23 11:41:49 <sipa> the salt should be fixed and known
564 2011-01-23 11:42:33 <btcex> and on next week bitcoind patch adds our salt to generator :)
565 2011-01-23 11:42:59 <lfm> um no
566 2011-01-23 11:44:03 <sipa> ArtForz: there was some env variable you could set to make the opencl compiler dump IL or CAL code?
567 2011-01-23 11:44:08 <ArtForz> yep
568 2011-01-23 11:44:42 <ArtForz> GPU_DUMP_DEVICE_KERNEL=3
569 2011-01-23 11:44:42 <sipa> google doesn't seem to know
570 2011-01-23 11:45:09 <sipa> aha
571 2011-01-23 11:45:13 <sipa> thanks
572 2011-01-23 11:45:29 <ArtForz> iirc 1 gives .il, 2 .isa and 3 both
573 2011-01-23 11:46:24 <sipa> and you can include those in a C program that uses CAL, to run it directly?
574 2011-01-23 11:46:55 <ArtForz> not easily
575 2011-01-23 11:47:18 <ArtForz> OpenCL does some weird stuff with a constant buffer to hand additional params to kernel
576 2011-01-23 11:47:18 <sipa> what's hard?
577 2011-01-23 11:47:24 <sipa> hmm
578 2011-01-23 11:49:29 <ArtForz> easier to just write a new kernel in IL
579 2011-01-23 11:49:43 <btcex> anyone can translate text to me on simple english? "You or someone could modify something so to a winner, place a bet on BitBet and and then win the bet? If not, can you please prove how?"
580 2011-01-23 11:49:55 <btcex> text for me
581 2011-01-23 11:50:43 <btcex> It is about what?
582 2011-01-23 11:51:55 <btcex> Sorry, I just do not know very well the language and for some reason this phrase does not understand at all.
583 2011-01-23 11:52:58 <Pegasus-Rider> Hey btcex
584 2011-01-23 11:53:02 <btcex> hi!
585 2011-01-23 11:53:16 <Pegasus-Rider> What language would you need?
586 2011-01-23 11:53:20 <Pegasus-Rider> ! @CAA:>3>?
587 2011-01-23 11:53:21 <btcex> english :))
588 2011-01-23 11:53:29 <btcex> phrase: "You or someone could modify something so to a winner, place a bet on BitBet and and then win the bet? If not, can you please prove how?"
589 2011-01-23 11:53:36 <Pegasus-Rider> !:068 ?>-@CAA:8
590 2011-01-23 11:53:44 <Pegasus-Rider> "CB =5>4=>7=0G=0O D>@<C;8@>2:0
591 2011-01-23 11:54:00 <btcex> 2>B MBC D@07C O =5 <>3C ?5@525AB8, 2 :02KG:0E. // I can not understand phrase in quotes
592 2011-01-23 11:54:05 <Pegasus-Rider> 30
593 2011-01-23 11:54:12 <btcex> It is not english?
594 2011-01-23 11:54:27 <btcex> it is about probiwon.com
595 2011-01-23 11:55:22 <Pegasus-Rider> K 8;8 :B>-;81> <>65B 87<5=8BL GB>-B> (?) [2K83@02H5<C], A45;0BL AB02:C =0 Bitbet 8 2K83@0BL
596 2011-01-23 11:55:36 <Pegasus-Rider>  ?@>B82=>< A;CG05 ... [=04> GB>-B> 4>:070BL]
597 2011-01-23 11:58:10 <Pegasus-Rider> 0, :AB0B8, <>6=> CB>G=8BL =0 AGQB ?5@52>40?
598 2011-01-23 11:59:22 <necrodearia> woo, Russian
599 2011-01-23 12:00:05 <btcex> Pegasus-Rider: hmm.. BitBet? I dont related to bitbet
600 2011-01-23 12:00:10 <btcex> ok, thx
601 2011-01-23 12:00:14 <btcex> Pegasus-Rider: 0 GB> A ?5@52>4><?
602 2011-01-23 12:00:54 <samfisher> btcex: i send you the message
603 2011-01-23 12:01:37 <btcex> samfisher: ok
604 2011-01-23 12:01:43 <samfisher> btcex: priv?
605 2011-01-23 12:02:09 <btcex> samfisher: ?
606 2011-01-23 12:02:16 <samfisher> private messaging
607 2011-01-23 12:02:27 <samfisher> in the irc channel
608 2011-01-23 12:03:35 <btcex> samfisher: no i don't receive it
609 2011-01-23 12:21:59 <Pegasus-Rider> ! 10=:>2A:8<
610 2011-01-23 12:22:09 <Pegasus-Rider> 60;L GB> =5 CA?5;
611 2011-01-23 13:02:13 <luke-jr> so if someone might sell me a HD 5970 for $360, should I take it? :P
612 2011-01-23 13:03:01 <Pegasus-Rider> Yup
613 2011-01-23 13:03:15 <hacim> assuming its working
614 2011-01-23 13:20:30 <sipa> ;;bc,stats
615 2011-01-23 13:20:33 <gribble> Current Blocks: 104173 | Current Difficulty: 18437.64439217 | Next Difficulty At Block: 104831 | Next Difficulty In: 658 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 21 hours, 23 minutes, and 58 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 21755.59103618
616 2011-01-23 13:32:31 <edcba> http://www.botchco.com/agd5f/?p=50
617 2011-01-23 13:37:53 <davout> howdy
618 2011-01-23 13:56:28 <Kiba> hello
619 2011-01-23 13:57:10 <hacim> good morning
620 2011-01-23 13:58:01 <Kiba> nothing like sleep to help you learn
621 2011-01-23 14:08:17 <molecular> my 5970 doesn't show up in "lspci -nn". what might I be doing wrong?
622 2011-01-23 14:10:03 <Kiba> ah
623 2011-01-23 14:10:52 <Kiba> 19...and I am introduced and get to an early adopter of a new cryptocurrency
624 2011-01-23 14:13:25 <ducki2p> dont tell your parents!
625 2011-01-23 14:16:52 <Kiba> mine is an authoritian household
626 2011-01-23 14:17:13 <Kiba> can you imagine the terror that my parents would feel if they knew that I was engaging in such an subversive activity?
627 2011-01-23 14:18:54 <sipa> molecular: is it powered sufficiently?
628 2011-01-23 14:19:27 <molecular> that's what I'm trying to find out
629 2011-01-23 14:19:38 <molecular> there's a connector, a 6-pin and one 8-pin
630 2011-01-23 14:19:41 <sipa> yes
631 2011-01-23 14:19:46 <sipa> are they both connected?
632 2011-01-23 14:19:49 <molecular> connected either one of them
633 2011-01-23 14:19:50 <molecular> ah!
634 2011-01-23 14:19:53 <molecular> it need both??
635 2011-01-23 14:19:55 <sipa> yes
636 2011-01-23 14:19:57 <molecular> ok
637 2011-01-23 14:19:59 <molecular> will try
638 2011-01-23 14:20:07 <sipa> 75W from the 6-pin one, 150W from the 8-pin one
639 2011-01-23 14:20:16 <sipa> + 75W from the PCIe slot
640 2011-01-23 14:20:21 <molecular> ohoh
641 2011-01-23 14:20:28 <molecular> connected both
642 2011-01-23 14:20:34 <molecular> now the fan doesn't spin at all on boot
643 2011-01-23 14:20:39 <sipa> that's normal
644 2011-01-23 14:20:42 <molecular> did I just fry it?
645 2011-01-23 14:20:44 <molecular> aha
646 2011-01-23 14:20:54 <molecular> but the fan did make hellish noise with just one connector in place...
647 2011-01-23 14:20:59 <sipa> yes, same here
648 2011-01-23 14:21:05 <molecular> interesting
649 2011-01-23 14:21:19 <molecular> YEAH! signal on DVI!!!
650 2011-01-23 14:21:25 <molecular> sipa, thanks a LOT
651 2011-01-23 14:21:28 <sipa> yw
652 2011-01-23 14:21:41 <molecular> hehehe
653 2011-01-23 14:22:17 <molecular> does "loading cypress microcode" ring a bell? it hangs there now
654 2011-01-23 14:22:54 <sipa> that doesn't sound too good
655 2011-01-23 14:23:06 <sipa> are you using that card as primary video?
656 2011-01-23 14:23:13 <molecular> no, and weirdly enough, it just switched to framebuffer console while hanging there
657 2011-01-23 14:23:34 <molecular> I have driver in the kernel.
658 2011-01-23 14:23:39 <molecular> oh, it continues now
659 2011-01-23 14:56:35 <rlifchitz> ;;bc,stats
660 2011-01-23 14:56:37 <gribble> Current Blocks: 104185 | Current Difficulty: 18437.64439217 | Next Difficulty At Block: 104831 | Next Difficulty In: 646 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 20 hours, 14 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 21761.87435080
661 2011-01-23 15:07:35 <molecular> sipa: thanks again for your help, have X now
662 2011-01-23 15:23:23 <HackTheGibson> sup
663 2011-01-23 15:42:33 <HackTheGibson> niekie:
664 2011-01-23 15:42:51 <HackTheGibson> tcatm:
665 2011-01-23 15:42:53 <HackTheGibson> UukGoblin:
666 2011-01-23 15:42:56 <HackTheGibson> nathan7:
667 2011-01-23 15:43:01 <HackTheGibson> nameless|:
668 2011-01-23 15:55:15 <newsham> look at btc go on the mtgox
669 2011-01-23 15:55:18 <newsham> insanity
670 2011-01-23 15:56:52 <HackTheGibson> newsham: oh yeah?
671 2011-01-23 16:00:19 <newsham> .4205/.439 today
672 2011-01-23 16:00:38 <newsham> was .25 a month ago
673 2011-01-23 16:00:50 <HackTheGibson> newsham: who's buying?
674 2011-01-23 16:01:20 <newsham> mtgox oesnt provide that info :)
675 2011-01-23 16:01:31 <HackTheGibson> newsham: so how are the jobs at google?
676 2011-01-23 16:02:19 <newsham> i dont work at google.
677 2011-01-23 16:02:27 <HackTheGibson> I know
678 2011-01-23 16:02:29 <HackTheGibson> just sayin
679 2011-01-23 16:02:33 <HackTheGibson> I heard it waas nice
680 2011-01-23 16:02:35 <HackTheGibson> and warm there and stuff
681 2011-01-23 16:02:52 <newsham> its nice and warm here (more so than @ goog :)
682 2011-01-23 16:03:03 <HackTheGibson> here in cambrige?
683 2011-01-23 16:03:13 <newsham> here in 96706
684 2011-01-23 16:03:50 <HackTheGibson> :)
685 2011-01-23 16:04:14 <lfm> well it should be warm there!
686 2011-01-23 16:04:21 <HackTheGibson> oh yes?
687 2011-01-23 16:04:34 <newsham> i'm sorry you have to be in cambridge, but at least its not waltham.
688 2011-01-23 16:04:47 <HackTheGibson> what is in waltham?
689 2011-01-23 16:05:14 <newsham> not a lot
690 2011-01-23 16:05:17 <wargames> so I heard
691 2011-01-23 16:05:48 <wargames> sounds drivers heh
692 2011-01-23 16:05:53 <wargames> funny
693 2011-01-23 16:08:46 <newsham> why does mtgox allow "dark pools"? and whats the point of publishing bid/ask queues if its incomplete?
694 2011-01-23 16:10:39 <wargames> so drug dealers can use bitcoin!
695 2011-01-23 16:10:41 <wargames> yaaaaaaaay
696 2011-01-23 16:30:33 <Cusipzzz> because in an illiquid market, people do not want to post large bids/offers for fear it will influence others (i.e. a big big shows that someone wants a lot of btc, so potential sellers might move their offers away in hopes the big buyer will up his price).
697 2011-01-23 16:35:49 <Kiba> hello folks
698 2011-01-23 16:36:27 <Cusipzzz> hola
699 2011-01-23 16:37:13 <Jose> Hi everyone. Question: What if factorization becomes practical and someone can get private keys form public keys ?
700 2011-01-23 16:37:55 <Cusipzzz> then there are much better targets for your quantum factorer than the bitcoin network
701 2011-01-23 16:38:43 <Jose> It would colapse right?
702 2011-01-23 16:38:56 <Cusipzzz> and you'd likely collect 1million USD for solving P=NP :)
703 2011-01-23 16:39:37 <edcba> bitcoin will collapse as well as credit cards :)
704 2011-01-23 16:39:37 <Jose> I think a lot more ;)
705 2011-01-23 16:40:28 <Cusipzzz> and bank xfers, and ssl, and RSA...that'd be pretty low on my list of worries
706 2011-01-23 16:40:52 <Kiba> we briefly reached 100
707 2011-01-23 16:40:55 <Kiba> today
708 2011-01-23 16:41:39 <Jose> But even as impractical. Someone can dedicate enough CPU to breake a single public key right? So how is my money protected from than singular attack ?
709 2011-01-23 16:42:13 <Cusipzzz> Jose: do you understand the math behind it? if so, that person has a billion other better targets for their super factorization
710 2011-01-23 16:44:40 <Jose> Do I have to have several keys pairs so I keep no more than a certain amount of money in each public key?
711 2011-01-23 16:45:38 <Cusipzzz> if you are worried, keep your coins spread betweenwallets
712 2011-01-23 16:47:47 <Jose> Ok. Thanks Cusipzzz.
713 2011-01-23 16:50:11 <slush1> Diablo-D3: hi
714 2011-01-23 16:50:45 <slush1> Diablo-D3: I'm trying your miner under linux first time. I installed drivers and SDK 2.1. I see both GPUs with aticonfig, but miner see only one core
715 2011-01-23 16:51:10 <sipa> DISPLAY=:0
716 2011-01-23 16:51:31 <sipa> that worked for me
717 2011-01-23 16:51:52 <Diablo-D3> yeah what sipa said
718 2011-01-23 16:51:56 <Diablo-D3> some distros are doing stupid shit
719 2011-01-23 16:52:17 <molecular> hey there. I'm having similar troubles. pyopencl only sees my cpu.
720 2011-01-23 16:52:27 <slush1> 'cant connect to X11 windows server using :0'
721 2011-01-23 16:52:28 <molecular> I'm using stream-sdk 2.3... shouldn't I?
722 2011-01-23 16:52:51 <Diablo-D3> molecular: what gpu?
723 2011-01-23 16:52:55 <molecular> 5970
724 2011-01-23 16:53:06 <Diablo-D3> well, you SHOULD be using 2.1, but thats not the cause
725 2011-01-23 16:53:19 <sipa> slush1: what does echo $DISPLAY tell you, slush?
726 2011-01-23 16:53:23 <Diablo-D3> your X is running with fglrx, isnt it? and you have crossfire force disabled in xorg.conf?
727 2011-01-23 16:54:00 <slush1> Diablo-D3: if you ask me, yes, fglrx (it's proprietary driver, right?). And crossfire disabled (say aticonfig)
728 2011-01-23 16:54:18 <Diablo-D3> no Im asking molecular
729 2011-01-23 16:54:30 <slush1> sipa: display is what I set, :0
730 2011-01-23 16:54:43 <molecular> uh, oh man... I don't even have xorg.conf. It's all done via HAL. haven't done this stuff in a while...
731 2011-01-23 16:54:47 <molecular> how can I check this?
732 2011-01-23 16:54:51 <sipa> before you change it, o mean
733 2011-01-23 16:55:16 <Diablo-D3> eh, shit, whats the aticonfig command? aticonfig --initial -f?
734 2011-01-23 16:55:35 <slush1> what '-f' does? I used only --initial
735 2011-01-23 16:55:40 <Diablo-D3> force
736 2011-01-23 16:55:51 <sipa> aticonfig -f --initial --adapter=all
737 2011-01-23 16:56:07 <Diablo-D3> molecular: run what sipa said and restart X
738 2011-01-23 16:56:12 <slush1> oh I used adapter=all too, sorry
739 2011-01-23 16:56:26 <sipa> you should
740 2011-01-23 16:56:31 <molecular> ok
741 2011-01-23 16:56:34 <molecular> fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0@4:0:1) found
742 2011-01-23 16:56:39 <molecular> now I can look in xorg.conf...
743 2011-01-23 16:57:02 <Diablo-D3> molecular: I think thats normal... there isnt such a Device
744 2011-01-23 16:57:12 <sipa> slush1: what is the display variable, in a new xterm?
745 2011-01-23 16:57:27 <slush1> wait, I'm restarting X right now
746 2011-01-23 16:57:37 <slush1> it is slow as hell from USB stick :)
747 2011-01-23 16:57:44 <sipa> hehe
748 2011-01-23 16:58:29 <Diablo-D3> molecular: the problem with crossfire is, fglrx doesnt support native multi-gpu non-crossfire mode with crossfire on...
749 2011-01-23 16:58:32 <molecular> 04:00.1 Audio device [0403]: ATI Technologies Inc Device [1002:aa50]
750 2011-01-23 16:58:36 <molecular> audio device???
751 2011-01-23 16:58:41 <Diablo-D3> molecular: and crossfire completely breaks opencl
752 2011-01-23 16:58:45 <Diablo-D3> molecular: hdmi audio out
753 2011-01-23 16:58:47 <Diablo-D3> thats normal
754 2011-01-23 16:58:51 <molecular> ah, ok
755 2011-01-23 16:59:16 <molecular> (WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0@4:0:1) found <-- it's trying the audio-device??
756 2011-01-23 16:59:25 <Diablo-D3> no, :1 is your gpu
757 2011-01-23 16:59:26 <slush1> well, after restarting X, I have display=:0.0 which looks OK for me
758 2011-01-23 16:59:30 <Diablo-D3> oh wait
759 2011-01-23 16:59:33 <Diablo-D3> misread
760 2011-01-23 16:59:39 <Diablo-D3> molecular: yeah, just ignore the warning
761 2011-01-23 16:59:46 <Diablo-D3> slush1: which is also wrong
762 2011-01-23 16:59:46 <sipa> slush1: now change it to :0
763 2011-01-23 16:59:49 <Diablo-D3> it needs to be :0
764 2011-01-23 17:00:21 <slush1> wow
765 2011-01-23 17:00:25 <slush1> works!!!
766 2011-01-23 17:01:23 <Diablo-D3> molecular: btw, this applies to you too, if your DISPLAY is :0.0 and not :0, export DISPLAY=:0 before running miners like mine
767 2011-01-23 17:01:30 <molecular> yeah, got that one
768 2011-01-23 17:01:50 <Diablo-D3> molecular: with m0's python miner, you run one for each gpu, and use :0.0, :0.1, etc
769 2011-01-23 17:02:08 <molecular> ah
770 2011-01-23 17:02:19 <molecular> I'd love to see one for now ;)
771 2011-01-23 17:02:24 <sipa> or -d 0, -d 1
772 2011-01-23 17:02:31 <Diablo-D3> sipa: does that work now?
773 2011-01-23 17:02:37 <Diablo-D3> I dont know why he just doesnt implement shit like I do
774 2011-01-23 17:02:41 <Diablo-D3> makes it so much saner
775 2011-01-23 17:03:05 <molecular> when booting up the machine, it says "DRM: Loading CYPRESS Microcode" for about 1 minute or so
776 2011-01-23 17:03:10 <molecular> is that normal?
777 2011-01-23 17:03:32 <ArtForz> nope
778 2011-01-23 17:03:35 <Diablo-D3> molecular: a whole minute? no. but as long as it works, you should be fine
779 2011-01-23 17:03:44 <Diablo-D3> wait, it shouldnt say that at all
780 2011-01-23 17:03:53 <Diablo-D3> are you loading the radeon kernel module by accident?
781 2011-01-23 17:04:00 <molecular> well, it works in the sense that I have an X display... but no opencl so far
782 2011-01-23 17:04:15 <molecular> shouldnt I load the radeon kernel module?
783 2011-01-23 17:04:17 <Diablo-D3> lsmod should not list radeon
784 2011-01-23 17:04:21 <sipa> no
785 2011-01-23 17:04:22 <Diablo-D3> molecular: no
786 2011-01-23 17:04:24 <molecular> oh
787 2011-01-23 17:04:26 <Diablo-D3> you should use the fglrx module
788 2011-01-23 17:04:36 <molecular> which is not in the kernel?
789 2011-01-23 17:04:57 <sipa> but aticonfig will generate a xorg which uses fglrx, no?
790 2011-01-23 17:05:16 <sipa> no, its proprietsry
791 2011-01-23 17:05:32 <sipa> .correctSpelling()
792 2011-01-23 17:05:36 <molecular> do I want DRM support in my kernel?
793 2011-01-23 17:05:51 <Pegasus-Rider> You would if you're into direct rendering
794 2011-01-23 17:06:03 <molecular> does it hurt to have it?
795 2011-01-23 17:06:12 <Pegasus-Rider> Nae
796 2011-01-23 17:06:32 <molecular> had this "built in", not even as module
797 2011-01-23 17:12:14 <molecular> OH YEAH!
798 2011-01-23 17:12:41 <molecular> thank you all, it's mining @220mhash/s... now lets start the second one ;)
799 2011-01-23 17:17:08 <slush1> is --pplib-cmd 'set fanspeed xxx xxx' common method to control fan?
800 2011-01-23 17:17:13 <slush1> Does not work for me
801 2011-01-23 17:19:16 <molecular> Diablo-D3, I have 2 x displays .0 and .1. Once I start the second poclbm.py with DISPLAY=:0.1 the rate of the first one drops to about half (105mhash/s), hmm..
802 2011-01-23 17:22:50 <Diablo-D3> molecular: your crossfire doesnt sound off
803 2011-01-23 17:23:10 <Diablo-D3> maybe they fixed it
804 2011-01-23 17:23:14 <Diablo-D3> try using :0 on both
805 2011-01-23 17:23:19 <Diablo-D3> and use -d 0 and -d 1
806 2011-01-23 17:23:23 <Diablo-D3> or just use my miner
807 2011-01-23 17:24:28 <molecular> weirdly enough: before my last reboot I had only one X display and 2 cypress devices shown by pyopencl. now it's 2 display and one cypress device shown
808 2011-01-23 17:24:43 <molecular> -d 1 wont work, that's my cpu
809 2011-01-23 17:24:47 <Diablo-D3> -d 2?
810 2011-01-23 17:24:57 <Diablo-D3> it still seems crossfire is on
811 2011-01-23 17:25:05 <Diablo-D3> if its on, you wont see multiple gpus
812 2011-01-23 17:25:10 <molecular> ok, how can I force it off? in xorg.conf?
813 2011-01-23 17:25:17 <Diablo-D3> yes
814 2011-01-23 17:25:19 <Diablo-D3> using that command
815 2011-01-23 17:25:22 <molecular> I used -f with ati-config
816 2011-01-23 17:25:27 <Diablo-D3> [12:55:51] <sipa> aticonfig -f --initial --adapter=all
817 2011-01-23 17:25:51 <slush1> ok, fan control works for first card now. Any chance to control also second fan?
818 2011-01-23 17:26:03 <molecular> after doing that (just did), should it say something about crossfire in xorg.conf?
819 2011-01-23 17:28:19 <Diablo-D3> molecular: no, it should list two devices
820 2011-01-23 17:28:28 <molecular> yeah, it does
821 2011-01-23 17:29:24 <Diablo-D3> aticonfig --lsch should list nothing
822 2011-01-23 17:29:39 <molecular> "No CrossFire chains defined"
823 2011-01-23 17:29:43 <Diablo-D3> exactly
824 2011-01-23 17:30:04 <Diablo-D3> for my miner, DISPLAY=:0 ./DiabloMiner-Linux.sh should list two GPUs
825 2011-01-23 17:30:20 <molecular> so I start the first miner: "DISPLAY=:0.0 python poclbm.py ..."
826 2011-01-23 17:30:31 <molecular> where's your miner's git or soure?
827 2011-01-23 17:30:37 <Diablo-D3> see the thread
828 2011-01-23 17:30:44 <molecular> ok looking
829 2011-01-23 17:30:49 <Diablo-D3> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1721
830 2011-01-23 17:31:19 <slush1> any idea why 'set fanspeed 0' works and 'set fanspeed 1' not?
831 2011-01-23 17:31:23 <Diablo-D3> but with poclbm, DISPLAY=:0 poclbm -d 0 and then -d1 might work better
832 2011-01-23 17:31:23 <slush1> also 'get fanspeed'
833 2011-01-23 17:32:10 <molecular> ups, no java ;|
834 2011-01-23 17:32:19 <Diablo-D3> install java =P
835 2011-01-23 17:32:42 <Diablo-D3> if you're on debian, apt-get install openjdk-6-jre
836 2011-01-23 17:32:57 <molecular> gentoo, "emerge sun-jdk" running
837 2011-01-23 17:33:05 <ArtForz> http://pastebin.com/EPs5CMaV
838 2011-01-23 17:33:24 <Diablo-D3> OH GOD WHAT AM I LOOKING AT
839 2011-01-23 17:33:38 <ArtForz> 556Mh/s on a stock 5970
840 2011-01-23 17:33:49 <molecular> uh, theres a package called "diablo-jre-bin", hehe, should I use that?
841 2011-01-23 17:34:14 <Diablo-D3> molecular: ... I... uh... what?
842 2011-01-23 17:34:39 <nanotube> ArtForz: looks like an opencl miner. is that yours? :)
843 2011-01-23 17:34:42 <ArtForz> yep
844 2011-01-23 17:34:44 <molecular> Diablo-D3, just a joke, there seems to be a jvm named after you
845 2011-01-23 17:34:54 <ArtForz> thats my OCL miner kernel
846 2011-01-23 17:34:55 <Diablo-D3> what the fuck, fbsd named a jvm after me?!
847 2011-01-23 17:35:05 <nanotube> ArtForz: cool. so... you're fossing your miner kernel? wow nice
848 2011-01-23 17:35:29 <ArtForz> yup
849 2011-01-23 17:35:45 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: wont work on 4xxx?
850 2011-01-23 17:35:48 <ArtForz> nope
851 2011-01-23 17:35:50 <ArtForz> 5xxx only
852 2011-01-23 17:35:52 <Diablo-D3> why not?
853 2011-01-23 17:36:07 <slush1> ArtForz: plz plz, how to control second fan in 2x5970 config?
854 2011-01-23 17:36:12 <ArtForz> well, just define rotr the oldfashioned way and it should work on 4xxx
855 2011-01-23 17:36:18 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: huhhhh
856 2011-01-23 17:36:20 <slush1> ArtForz: --pplib-cmd works only for first card for me
857 2011-01-23 17:36:23 <Diablo-D3> Ill try it later
858 2011-01-23 17:36:36 <ArtForz> export DISPLAY=:0.1 before doing pplib-cmd 'set fanspeed 0 x'
859 2011-01-23 17:36:41 <slush1> oh
860 2011-01-23 17:36:52 <ArtForz> pplib-cmd is weird, it uses DISPLAY instead of --adapter
861 2011-01-23 17:38:01 <ArtForz> the 0 inside the cmd is the # of the fan controller on the card (some old dual-gpu cards had 2...)
862 2011-01-23 17:38:14 <slush1> still not work, silly
863 2011-01-23 17:38:23 <ArtForz> weird
864 2011-01-23 17:39:06 <ArtForz> urrr
865 2011-01-23 17:39:09 <ArtForz> use 0.2
866 2011-01-23 17:39:16 <ArtForz> 0.1 is 2nd GPU on 1st card
867 2011-01-23 17:39:23 <slush1> greeaaat :-D
868 2011-01-23 17:39:30 <slush1> works
869 2011-01-23 17:40:32 <ArtForz> btw, yes, that kernel is ugly as hell, mainly because ATIs OCL compiler is braindead
870 2011-01-23 17:41:05 <ArtForz> I used to have a nice #defined round function, array for W, ...
871 2011-01-23 17:42:00 <ArtForz> turns out manually calculating combined constants and moving semi-constant expression calculation out of the inner loop actually does something
872 2011-01-23 17:45:11 <ArtForz> I fucking hate having to hold the compilers hand like this, but the damn thing is retarded
873 2011-01-23 17:50:10 <molecular> Diablo-D3, "DISPLAY=:0 ./DiabloMiner-Linux.sh" doesn't list anything, it starts mining
874 2011-01-23 17:50:37 <Diablo-D3> I find that hard to believe
875 2011-01-23 17:50:59 <Kiba> the forum feels a little slow today
876 2011-01-23 17:51:02 <molecular> got it from here: http://adterrasperaspera.com/images/DiabloMiner.zip
877 2011-01-23 17:51:17 <Diablo-D3> molecular: yeah, but if it doesnt list ANY devices, theres nothing to mine
878 2011-01-23 17:51:44 <molecular> it says: "[1/24/11 3:49:30 AM] Started". that's it
879 2011-01-23 17:52:12 <Diablo-D3> er shit
880 2011-01-23 17:52:27 <fabianhjr> ?
881 2011-01-23 17:52:28 <Diablo-D3> molecular: what does it say for mhash?
882 2011-01-23 17:52:36 <Diablo-D3> it should read 0
883 2011-01-23 17:52:36 <molecular> ah, I'm sorry
884 2011-01-23 17:52:46 <molecular> it doesn't connect rpc
885 2011-01-23 17:52:50 <molecular> wait...
886 2011-01-23 17:53:16 <Diablo-D3> yes, you need to obviously have it connect to bitcoin
887 2011-01-23 17:53:21 <Diablo-D3> -u -p etc etc
888 2011-01-23 17:53:45 <Diablo-D3> [1/23/11 1:52:02 PM] Started
889 2011-01-23 17:53:49 <Diablo-D3> it should say something like that
890 2011-01-23 17:53:53 <molecular> [1/24/11 3:53:28 AM] Added Cypress (#1) (20 CU, local work size of 256)
891 2011-01-23 17:54:02 <molecular> yeah, sorry, I screwed up the login
892 2011-01-23 17:54:29 <molecular> does your miner work with mining.bitcoin.cz?
893 2011-01-23 17:54:38 <molecular> [1/24/11 3:53:58 AM] Added Cypress (#2) (20 CU, local work size of 256)
894 2011-01-23 17:54:39 <Diablo-D3> yes
895 2011-01-23 17:54:39 <molecular> yay
896 2011-01-23 17:54:42 <Diablo-D3> yay!
897 2011-01-23 17:54:43 <Diablo-D3> it worked
898 2011-01-23 17:54:58 <Diablo-D3> add -o mining.bitcoin.cz -r 8332
899 2011-01-23 17:55:13 <molecular> 377264 khash/sec
900 2011-01-23 17:55:24 <Diablo-D3> that seems low
901 2011-01-23 17:55:28 <molecular> yeah
902 2011-01-23 17:55:37 <molecular> it just increased to about 490
903 2011-01-23 17:55:38 <Diablo-D3> should be above 535
904 2011-01-23 17:55:42 <molecular> hmmm
905 2011-01-23 17:55:45 <Diablo-D3> give it time, it'll take a bit to normalize
906 2011-01-23 17:55:50 <molecular> got a very slow cpu (via c7)
907 2011-01-23 17:55:56 <molecular> but that should do no harm, right?
908 2011-01-23 17:56:03 <Diablo-D3> it shouldnt... but... meh
909 2011-01-23 17:56:04 <Diablo-D3> who knows
910 2011-01-23 17:56:09 <Diablo-D3> Ive never tested it with anything that slow
911 2011-01-23 17:56:19 <Diablo-D3> setting -f 1 would use very minimal cpu time
912 2011-01-23 17:56:24 <molecular> well, running gcc on the cpu sure drop the rate to about half, so some cpu is involved
913 2011-01-23 17:56:27 <Diablo-D3> but will also screw up the hash meter
914 2011-01-23 17:56:52 <molecular> will the hash meter display too much or too low when using -f 1?
915 2011-01-23 17:57:23 <molecular> it's pretty steady at 495 now
916 2011-01-23 17:58:11 <molecular> hmm, my cpu load is 0.9x
917 2011-01-23 17:58:28 <Diablo-D3> your cpu might be too slow
918 2011-01-23 17:58:40 <molecular> trying -f 1
919 2011-01-23 17:58:50 <Diablo-D3> -f 1 will cause the hash meter to be a little random
920 2011-01-23 17:59:32 <molecular> hmm, I just remember when trying to get the card to work at all, I set something in the BIOS "PCIe force gen1"...
921 2011-01-23 18:03:19 <Diablo-D3> molecular: shouldnt be an issue
922 2011-01-23 18:03:39 <Diablo-D3> you could even plug it into a x1 1.0 slot (with an adapter, of course) and it'd mine at full speed
923 2011-01-23 18:03:46 <Diablo-D3> mining takes no bus bandwidth and no memory bandwidth
924 2011-01-23 18:03:48 <Diablo-D3> its pure gpu rape
925 2011-01-23 18:04:11 <molecular> it still seems something is holding the gpus back
926 2011-01-23 18:04:38 <ArtForz> using corect sdk version?
927 2011-01-23 18:04:51 <molecular> no, probably not. using 2.3
928 2011-01-23 18:05:52 <molecular> I only found ebuilds for 2.01, 2.2 and 2.3
929 2011-01-23 18:06:00 <molecular> should I try making my own for 2.1 and check that out?
930 2011-01-23 18:06:40 <ArtForz> try export GPU_USE_SYNC_OBJECTS=1
931 2011-01-23 18:06:57 <molecular> before running the miner?
932 2011-01-23 18:06:59 <ArtForz> yep