1 2011-01-24 00:00:18 <Kiba> everybody else needs to get their article approved by you to get a share of the ads revenue
  2 2011-01-24 00:01:31 <Kiba> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2355.msg40810#new
  3 2011-01-24 00:09:05 <dirtyfilthy> finding advertisers sounds like the hard bit
  4 2011-01-24 00:13:55 <Kiba> if I can do it, so can he
  5 2011-01-24 00:24:39 <noagendamarket> I want to do something to grow the pay it forward project.
  6 2011-01-24 00:24:51 <noagendamarket> need some help doing it though
  7 2011-01-24 00:26:18 <andrew12> doublec: when do you think you'll be able to fix the lottery pick on taabl? :o
  8 2011-01-24 00:26:53 <molecular> "I want to do something to grow the pay it forward project."... what?
  9 2011-01-24 00:27:04 <doublec> andrew12: I think you are thinking of someone else
 10 2011-01-24 00:27:09 <doublec> andrew12: I'm not involved with taabl
 11 2011-01-24 00:27:14 <andrew12> I probably am
 12 2011-01-24 00:28:30 <noagendamarket> molecular http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=922.0
 13 2011-01-24 00:28:58 <noagendamarket> Is there a way to extract bitcoin addresses from twitter psotings ?
 14 2011-01-24 00:29:07 <noagendamarket> *postings
 15 2011-01-24 00:29:25 <andrew12> Use a regexp
 16 2011-01-24 00:30:24 <noagendamarket> the idea is that people sign up with a twitter account and donate small amounts to randomn users
 17 2011-01-24 00:30:36 <noagendamarket> then your address get cycled through
 18 2011-01-24 00:30:54 <noagendamarket> randomn acts of bitcoins lol
 19 2011-01-24 00:31:23 <andrew12> nelisky is the taabl dude, and he's not here
 20 2011-01-24 00:31:29 <andrew12> Hehe
 21 2011-01-24 00:32:27 <noagendamarket> so if people post the hashtag #bitcoin and include a bitcoin address
 22 2011-01-24 00:32:37 <noagendamarket> it might make the trending topics eventually
 23 2011-01-24 00:32:44 <doublec> noagendamarket: have them dm a twitter account with an amount
 24 2011-01-24 00:32:56 <doublec> noagendamarket: and a bot that reads that twitter account and sends it to random people
 25 2011-01-24 00:33:02 <noagendamarket> yea
 26 2011-01-24 00:33:33 <noagendamarket> It would be better to do it with hashtags?
 27 2011-01-24 00:34:07 <doublec> With hashtags then people who tweet an address might get random money sent to them
 28 2011-01-24 00:34:11 <doublec> which could be a bit confusing
 29 2011-01-24 00:34:26 <dirtyfilthy> isn't that what you want?
 30 2011-01-24 00:34:27 <doublec> especially if it's a 'send once' address
 31 2011-01-24 00:34:46 <dirtyfilthy> ah right
 32 2011-01-24 00:34:54 <noagendamarket> yeah then thye might not know what it is
 33 2011-01-24 00:35:04 <noagendamarket> if it comes from an account they will
 34 2011-01-24 00:35:13 <dirtyfilthy> just have a different hashtag
 35 2011-01-24 00:35:30 <andrew12> If anyone wants to search through the logs to find my address (it starts with 1Nk) that'd be awesome
 36 2011-01-24 00:35:31 <dirtyfilthy> #bitcoinpayforward or whatever
 37 2011-01-24 00:35:40 <doublec> using an account lets you block people
 38 2011-01-24 00:35:45 <doublec> if you get people abusing it
 39 2011-01-24 00:35:51 <andrew12> As my computer is currently in my room and covered with plastic cause we painted the ceiling
 40 2011-01-24 00:35:58 <Kiba> yo
 41 2011-01-24 00:36:02 <Kiba> got any jobs for me?
 42 2011-01-24 00:37:00 <andrew12> And the walls :p
 43 2011-01-24 00:38:16 <noagendamarket> might drive some followers to bitcoinmedia....
 44 2011-01-24 00:39:03 <andrew12> Hmm
 45 2011-01-24 00:39:21 <andrew12> Brb
 46 2011-01-24 00:44:50 <dirtyfilthy> noagendamarket: so how is this funded?
 47 2011-01-24 00:44:55 <dirtyfilthy> by donation?
 48 2011-01-24 00:45:08 <noagendamarket> yeah thats how the pay it forward was done
 49 2011-01-24 00:45:17 <noagendamarket> except it wasnt automated
 50 2011-01-24 00:46:45 <noagendamarket> I think you could get it into tt if it goes viral
 51 2011-01-24 00:46:57 <dirtyfilthy> tt?
 52 2011-01-24 00:47:04 <noagendamarket> trending topics
 53 2011-01-24 00:47:13 <dirtyfilthy> ah sweet
 54 2011-01-24 00:47:23 <noagendamarket> that would be quite an achievement
 55 2011-01-24 00:47:44 <doublec> so you long into your account with your twitter id, and then send bitcoins to an address it gives?
 56 2011-01-24 00:48:07 <noagendamarket> yeah one that someone posted
 57 2011-01-24 00:48:11 <doublec> ah, right
 58 2011-01-24 00:48:22 <noagendamarket> they would tweet with the hashtag
 59 2011-01-24 00:48:27 <noagendamarket> and an address
 60 2011-01-24 00:48:29 <doublec> having a service that lets you pay twitter users would be interesting
 61 2011-01-24 00:48:39 <noagendamarket> this is randomn lol
 62 2011-01-24 00:48:47 <doublec> so you can have an account that you log into with your twitter id and deposit money into it
 63 2011-01-24 00:49:01 <doublec> then you can send money via twitter commands
 64 2011-01-24 00:49:07 <noagendamarket> possibly a twitter applicatioin
 65 2011-01-24 00:49:13 <doublec> and the recipient can log in with their twitter id to receive it
 66 2011-01-24 00:49:21 <noagendamarket> you give it your twitter login
 67 2011-01-24 00:49:40 <noagendamarket> yea something like that
 68 2011-01-24 00:49:54 <dirtyfilthy> the problem i can see with this is twitters insanely low api call limit
 69 2011-01-24 00:50:09 <noagendamarket> yeah they suck lol
 70 2011-01-24 00:50:34 <noagendamarket> Youd have to limit it to 1 specific purpose
 71 2011-01-24 00:52:05 <noagendamarket> Although sending coins by a twitter command would be awesome
 72 2011-01-24 00:52:19 <andrew12^mac> noagendamarket: do you have the link to that thread?
 73 2011-01-24 00:52:42 <andrew12^mac> the pay it forward one
 74 2011-01-24 00:53:04 <noagendamarket> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=922.0
 75 2011-01-24 00:53:07 <andrew12^mac> ty
 76 2011-01-24 00:53:45 <noagendamarket> If you have a database you could even include those addresses
 77 2011-01-24 00:54:11 <doublec> tipjoy used to have a 'tip via twitter' service
 78 2011-01-24 00:54:26 <noagendamarket> yeah i wonder what happened to it?
 79 2011-01-24 00:55:26 <noagendamarket> pif isnt targetting one particular person....its randomn strangers
 80 2011-01-24 00:55:49 <noagendamarket> what would be fun is to track the coins
 81 2011-01-24 00:55:57 <dirtyfilthy> i'd want to use the api to verify they weren't spam accounts
 82 2011-01-24 00:56:01 <Kiba> next issue of The Bitcoin Times will be out soon!
 83 2011-01-24 00:56:11 <Kiba> tomorrow
 84 2011-01-24 00:56:12 <andrew12^mac> what the hell
 85 2011-01-24 00:56:16 <noagendamarket> yeah youd need to do that
 86 2011-01-24 00:56:20 <andrew12^mac> why does it keep saying the body is empty
 87 2011-01-24 00:56:32 <andrew12^mac> stupid forum
 88 2011-01-24 00:56:48 <noagendamarket> hulk smash ?
 89 2011-01-24 00:57:18 <andrew12^mac> sure
 90 2011-01-24 00:58:19 <noagendamarket> http://code.google.com/p/tweetfs/    there is a twitter file system
 91 2011-01-24 00:58:34 <noagendamarket> you can send files to users as a direct message
 92 2011-01-24 00:59:06 <noagendamarket> I wonder if you could send wallet files around?
 93 2011-01-24 00:59:21 <andrew12^mac> heh
 94 2011-01-24 01:00:06 <andrew12^mac> it still isnt letting me post!
 95 2011-01-24 01:00:43 <andrew12^mac> well here: 1P3qGKngazJ1VZZf2jdkDrPTDsEnmJHNYQ
 96 2011-01-24 01:01:03 <andrew12^mac> if someone can post for me that'd be epic .-.
 97 2011-01-24 01:01:04 <doublec> noagendamarket: this was tipjoy's api for using twitter: http://web.archive.org/web/20110124015818/http://tipjoys2cents.blogspot.com/2008/12/tip-via-twitter.html
 98 2011-01-24 01:01:05 <andrew12^mac> lol
 99 2011-01-24 01:01:22 <Diablo-D3> [07:24:50] <molecular> ArtForz, Diablo-D3: therefore some cpu-hogging-shit was introduced >2.1
100 2011-01-24 01:01:24 <Diablo-D3> we already know this
101 2011-01-24 01:01:29 <Diablo-D3> which is why you use 2.1 in the first place
102 2011-01-24 01:01:45 <noagendamarket> updated the thread andrew
103 2011-01-24 01:02:03 <andrew12^mac> yay
104 2011-01-24 01:03:02 <noagendamarket> hmm is tipjoy still around?
105 2011-01-24 01:03:10 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 206000
106 2011-01-24 01:03:11 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 206000 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 4 days, 10 hours, 46 minutes, and 53 seconds
107 2011-01-24 01:03:34 <andrew12^mac> i should write a bot to take 90% of any bitcoins i get and send them to someone at random xD
108 2011-01-24 01:03:58 <andrew12^mac> er, 3 random people
109 2011-01-24 01:04:13 <andrew12^mac> 90% so that i get some bitcoins out of this :P
110 2011-01-24 01:04:25 <andrew12^mac> maybe not, though
111 2011-01-24 01:04:33 <andrew12^mac> we'll find out after these messages...
112 2011-01-24 01:04:45 <noagendamarket> andrew go for it
113 2011-01-24 01:05:45 <andrew12^mac> heh
114 2011-01-24 01:05:51 <andrew12^mac> it'd be funny if it ended up sending some tome
115 2011-01-24 01:05:54 <andrew12^mac> to me*
116 2011-01-24 01:05:58 <noagendamarket> lol
117 2011-01-24 01:06:00 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 313000
118 2011-01-24 01:06:01 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 313000 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 2 days, 22 hours, 16 minutes, and 40 seconds
119 2011-01-24 01:06:05 <noagendamarket> home team advantage?
120 2011-01-24 01:06:31 <andrew12^mac> maybe i could have it send them all and if i get them back to myself then i'll just keep it :P
121 2011-01-24 01:06:44 <doublec> noagendamarket: tipjoy closed up a while ago
122 2011-01-24 01:06:44 <noagendamarket> lol
123 2011-01-24 01:06:51 <noagendamarket> yeah doublec
124 2011-01-24 01:07:40 <noagendamarket> All that needs is to recognise a hashtag created for a specific purpose
125 2011-01-24 01:08:30 <andrew12^mac> hashtags are dumb
126 2011-01-24 01:08:44 <noagendamarket> I smoke them lol
127 2011-01-24 01:08:56 <doublec> how about do it so you can send to any twitter account. eg: pay @foo 100. Your service looks for this in the stream of all registered users on your app. and processes the send.
128 2011-01-24 01:09:11 <doublec> recipients can set things up so that x% of all money received via twitter is forwarded to a random user
129 2011-01-24 01:09:27 <noagendamarket> hmm that would work
130 2011-01-24 01:09:35 <doublec> if a non-registered twitter account receives money it then dm's that twitter user to tell them they have money
131 2011-01-24 01:09:49 <doublec> directing them to a link to get it and telling them about bitcoin
132 2011-01-24 01:10:04 <doublec> you also set up a 'payitforward' account which sends 100% of all received money to a random user
133 2011-01-24 01:10:07 <noagendamarket> nice promo opportnity :)
134 2011-01-24 01:10:29 <doublec> that way any twitter user can receive and send bitcoins
135 2011-01-24 01:10:36 <doublec> and they don't even need a bitcoin program to be running
136 2011-01-24 01:11:13 <doublec> you could also extend this to facebook
137 2011-01-24 01:11:29 <andrew12^mac> k, go write it ;)
138 2011-01-24 01:11:48 <luke-jr> is there someone here I could ask a CL miner question who won't try to compete against me in an auction I reference? :P
139 2011-01-24 01:12:28 <doublec> apparently not :-p
140 2011-01-24 01:12:50 <luke-jr> actually, it's only a 5770
141 2011-01-24 01:12:52 <luke-jr> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190491988478#ht_3228wt_728
142 2011-01-24 01:12:57 <luke-jr> was wondering if it could mine like that
143 2011-01-24 01:13:04 <noagendamarket> heh
144 2011-01-24 01:13:47 <noagendamarket> If I could write code it woulkd already be done lol
145 2011-01-24 01:14:15 <noagendamarket> *registers paybitforward
146 2011-01-24 01:14:30 <andrew12^mac> hehe
147 2011-01-24 01:18:58 <noagendamarket> code gives me a rash lol
148 2011-01-24 01:19:01 <Kiba> noagendamarket: but you don't write code
149 2011-01-24 01:19:09 <Kiba> so you pay money out of your nose to guys like me
150 2011-01-24 01:19:13 <noagendamarket> Kiba I said that lol
151 2011-01-24 01:19:25 <Kiba> ;P
152 2011-01-24 01:19:46 <noagendamarket> ^_^
153 2011-01-24 01:21:09 <noagendamarket> andrew thats funny
154 2011-01-24 01:21:23 <noagendamarket> you should make a thread about it
155 2011-01-24 01:21:33 <Kiba> ArtForz is only interested in mining bitcoin
156 2011-01-24 01:21:33 <noagendamarket> called famous bitcoin newbies
157 2011-01-24 01:21:39 <noagendamarket> lol
158 2011-01-24 01:21:47 <HackTheGibson> noagendamarket: lol
159 2011-01-24 01:22:07 <andrew12^mac> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjnM2shYIrM
160 2011-01-24 01:22:25 <noagendamarket> If you could mine coins by creating forum threads id be rich
161 2011-01-24 01:22:32 <HackTheGibson> noagendamarket: no u
162 2011-01-24 01:22:46 <Kiba> I have an insane post rate
163 2011-01-24 01:22:53 <andrew12^mac> http://xkcd.com/177/ -- lol
164 2011-01-24 01:23:18 <noagendamarket> Andrew : cant believe its nearly a 1000 views
165 2011-01-24 01:23:49 <noagendamarket> I wonder who disliked it?lol
166 2011-01-24 01:24:15 <HackTheGibson> noagendamarket: nobody
167 2011-01-24 01:24:17 <andrew12^mac> i love how they sound when it reads hahahaha
168 2011-01-24 01:24:24 <andrew12^mac> its like hehahhfahhaudfhudhfgdaf
169 2011-01-24 01:24:28 <noagendamarket> lol
170 2011-01-24 01:24:34 <HackTheGibson> andrew12^mac: I know right
171 2011-01-24 01:24:49 <HackTheGibson> blue tooth
172 2011-01-24 01:25:00 <andrew12^mac> someone needs to make flattr for bitcoins
173 2011-01-24 01:25:00 <luke-jr> ..
174 2011-01-24 01:25:15 <HackTheGibson> "flattr"?
175 2011-01-24 01:25:18 <noagendamarket> youtipit ?
176 2011-01-24 01:25:29 <HackTheGibson> noagendamarket: howmuch?
177 2011-01-24 01:25:31 <andrew12^mac> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zrMlEEWBgY
178 2011-01-24 01:25:35 <andrew12^mac> flattr -^
179 2011-01-24 01:25:46 <noagendamarket> we are doing witcoin :)-
180 2011-01-24 01:25:58 <noagendamarket> or creddit lol
181 2011-01-24 01:26:10 <Kiba> how's witcoin coming along?
182 2011-01-24 01:26:23 <Kiba> you're not advertising next issue, right?
183 2011-01-24 01:26:43 <HackTheGibson> Kiba: wat
184 2011-01-24 01:26:44 <noagendamarket> I sent an email Kiba
185 2011-01-24 01:26:51 <HackTheGibson> noagendamarket: emails?
186 2011-01-24 01:27:13 <andrew12^mac> creddit sounds cooler :P
187 2011-01-24 01:27:30 <HackTheGibson> sure
188 2011-01-24 01:27:31 <HackTheGibson> not
189 2011-01-24 01:28:30 <Kiba> I am confused
190 2011-01-24 01:28:34 <Kiba> it means no, right?
191 2011-01-24 01:29:03 <HackTheGibson> Kiba: yeah
192 2011-01-24 01:29:12 <noagendamarket> http://bitcoind.org/mediawiki/index.php/Prospectus   Kiba can you use that?
193 2011-01-24 01:29:25 <Kiba> ok
194 2011-01-24 01:29:31 <Kiba> so you want to advertise next issue?
195 2011-01-24 01:29:55 <noagendamarket> do it nao :)-
196 2011-01-24 01:29:59 <Kiba> ok
197 2011-01-24 01:32:21 <noagendamarket> youre the writer here so go write something :)-
198 2011-01-24 01:32:38 <Kiba> ads copies
199 2011-01-24 01:32:41 <noagendamarket> heh
200 2011-01-24 01:34:19 <noagendamarket> http://www.byteco.in   Kiba you should use paper.li for your project
201 2011-01-24 01:34:41 <Kiba> paper.li?
202 2011-01-24 01:35:14 <noagendamarket> yeah it creates a paper from twitter postings
203 2011-01-24 01:35:20 <noagendamarket> you can edit it
204 2011-01-24 01:35:31 <noagendamarket> or curate it
205 2011-01-24 01:36:42 <noagendamarket> I just use the hashtag #bitcoin cos Im lazy lol
206 2011-01-24 01:43:32 <andrew12> on my desktop ^_^
207 2011-01-24 01:45:08 <andrew12> slowly, it gets more and more connections, and more and more blocks...
208 2011-01-24 01:45:19 <andrew12> ;;bc,blockcount
209 2011-01-24 01:45:19 <gribble> Error: "bc,blockcount" is not a valid command.
210 2011-01-24 01:45:22 <andrew12> ;;bc,blocks
211 2011-01-24 01:45:23 <gribble> 104259
212 2011-01-24 01:45:39 <andrew12> and now i have them all
213 2011-01-24 01:51:45 <andrew12^mac> andrew12: 1P3qGKngazJ1VZZf2jdkDrPTDsEnmJHNYQ
214 2011-01-24 01:52:00 <andrew12> andrew12^mac: thanks!
215 2011-01-24 02:03:17 <andrew12^mac> hi ArtForzZz :P
216 2011-01-24 02:04:09 <andrew12^mac> hmm
217 2011-01-24 02:04:24 <andrew12^mac> ,,ping
218 2011-01-24 02:04:24 <gribble> pong
219 2011-01-24 02:04:27 <andrew12^mac> wow
220 2011-01-24 02:04:57 <andrew12^mac> i knocked my router on the floor and it got unplugged. i plugged it back in and it booted and I DIDN'T PING OUT
221 2011-01-24 02:08:37 <brunner> How can I finance BitCoin development?
222 2011-01-24 02:09:09 <nanotube> with money. that is usually a good way of financing things. :)
223 2011-01-24 02:09:14 <fabianhjr> Offer products or services for Bitcoins!
224 2011-01-24 02:09:25 <fabianhjr> and/or
225 2011-01-24 02:09:50 <brunner> But what about the development of the app itself?
226 2011-01-24 02:09:56 <fabianhjr> brunner: also, bitcoin donations are appreciated. :)
227 2011-01-24 02:10:05 <brunner> How do the developers currently eat? What if I want to hire someone to work full time?
228 2011-01-24 02:10:18 <brunner> or, sponsor someone
229 2011-01-24 02:11:20 <brunner> fabianhjr, I don't mind making bitcoin donations. I just couldn't find a receive address on the main website.
230 2011-01-24 02:11:26 <andrew12^mac> brunner: the main developer has never posted any information about himself other than his name and things about bitcoin. as far as we know, Satoshi Nakamoto isn't even a real person, though he isn't the only one that works on bitcoin
231 2011-01-24 02:12:29 <andrew12^mac> if you have some extra bitcoins, i suggest sending some to the faucet so more people can get bitcoins to start with. http://freebitcoins.appspot.com
232 2011-01-24 02:12:31 <brunner> What if I was willing to dedicate significant funds on a regular basis? How many developers are there?
233 2011-01-24 02:12:43 <andrew12^mac> brunner: it's open source. ;)
234 2011-01-24 02:13:05 <fabianhjr> brunner: look around the forums. There are many projects such as the animated movie which we would enjoy being done since it will increase the reach of the Bitcoin Project itself.
235 2011-01-24 02:13:53 <andrew12^mac> 1DoNtWaNtYoUrBTCsAvEtHeM
236 2011-01-24 02:14:11 <fabianhjr> brunner: there is a git rep which accepts pull requests and is the one being developed. There is also a new client coming out soon to which kiba did an interview and is available for sale.
237 2011-01-24 02:14:16 <fabianhjr> andrew12^mac: LOL!
238 2011-01-24 02:14:28 <andrew12^mac> saw that in someone's sig on the forum
239 2011-01-24 02:14:54 <brunner> fabianhjr, where can I learn more about the new client?
240 2011-01-24 02:15:06 <andrew12^mac> bug Kiba ;)
241 2011-01-24 02:15:23 <OneFixt> how many getworks/sec can bitcoind handle?
242 2011-01-24 02:15:25 <fabianhjr> Well, there is the interview I am publishing which is available for 1 BTC and a wiki article on the matter.
243 2011-01-24 02:15:28 <andrew12^mac> its called QBitcoin
244 2011-01-24 02:15:29 <brunner> I don't want to bug a productive dev :)
245 2011-01-24 02:15:35 <andrew12^mac> OneFixt: only way to know is to experiment!
246 2011-01-24 02:16:13 <andrew12^mac> brunner: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/QBitcoin
247 2011-01-24 02:16:28 <brunner> andrew12^mac, thanks
248 2011-01-24 02:17:35 <fabianhjr> ODT - http://www.bitcoinservice.co.uk/files/80 or PDF - http://www.bitcoinservice.co.uk/files/81 of the interview.
249 2011-01-24 02:20:05 <Kiba> hello
250 2011-01-24 02:20:54 <brunner> Kiba, hello
251 2011-01-24 02:21:44 <fabianhjr> brunner: feel free to buy kiba's interview.(By that we mean Skynet will force you) Peace <3
252 2011-01-24 02:22:45 <genjix> mtgox: hey
253 2011-01-24 02:24:42 <andrew12^mac> oooh it went below .4
254 2011-01-24 02:24:45 <andrew12^mac> ;;bc,mtgox
255 2011-01-24 02:24:45 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.444,"low":0.381,"vol":5650,"buy":0.391,"sell":0.3999,"last":0.381}}
256 2011-01-24 02:26:09 <fabianhjr> andrew12^mac: nothing to worry, it is still a little bit over the support. <3
257 2011-01-24 02:26:31 <andrew12^mac> hm?
258 2011-01-24 02:26:48 <andrew12^mac> \n189252
259 2011-01-24 02:27:19 <andrew12^mac> what is?
260 2011-01-24 02:27:25 <andrew12^mac> the market price?
261 2011-01-24 02:28:46 <fabianhjr> andrew12^mac: http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD
262 2011-01-24 02:29:23 <andrew12^mac> puh puh puh poke-her-face puh puh poke her face
263 2011-01-24 02:29:34 <fabianhjr> If you draw a line from december low towards 0.35 you will see it. :P
264 2011-01-24 02:30:11 <genjix> oops
265 2011-01-24 02:30:18 <genjix> typo should be pokes
266 2011-01-24 02:30:23 <andrew12^mac> lol
267 2011-01-24 02:30:28 <genjix> #pokerface
268 2011-01-24 02:31:33 <andrew12^mac> heh
269 2011-01-24 02:32:23 <andrew12^mac> wow
270 2011-01-24 02:32:32 <andrew12^mac> was it really at less than .1 in october?
271 2011-01-24 02:32:42 <genjix> yeah someone bought a pizza for 10k btc
272 2011-01-24 02:32:51 <andrew12^mac> wat
273 2011-01-24 02:34:45 <fabianhjr> Yes, It is in rally mode and increasing in value at a rapid peace. Specially since a lot of people start offering services for Bitcoins. <3
274 2011-01-24 02:35:01 <brunner> There's no place that will let you buy BTC with a debit card or paypal, right?
275 2011-01-24 02:35:11 <andrew12^mac> brunner: there's lots of places
276 2011-01-24 02:35:32 <brunner> I can't find any that are accepting new members
277 2011-01-24 02:35:53 <andrew12^mac> brunner: there's #bitcoin-otc -- which is over the counter trading
278 2011-01-24 02:36:22 <brunner> thanks
279 2011-01-24 02:37:33 <fabianhjr> brunner: http://www.bitcoin.org/trade#Currency_exchange
280 2011-01-24 02:38:11 <brunner> fabianhjr, I looked through those.  I found one that supports paypal.  None of them are instant, though, right?
281 2011-01-24 02:38:22 <andrew12^mac> you can use coinpal
282 2011-01-24 02:38:25 <andrew12^mac> its instant
283 2011-01-24 02:38:26 <brunner> excuse me, one that supports paypal and *new members*
284 2011-01-24 02:38:31 <brunner> oh, it is?
285 2011-01-24 02:38:33 <brunner> awesome, thanks.
286 2011-01-24 02:38:56 <andrew12^mac> i mean it has validity checks but yes it is instant
287 2011-01-24 02:39:13 <andrew12^mac> instant enough, at least ;)
288 2011-01-24 02:39:24 <brunner> fantastic, thanks
289 2011-01-24 02:40:19 <brunner> okay, so, just to make sure I understand... .38 BTC = 1 USD?  Or 1 BTC = .38 USD?
290 2011-01-24 02:40:35 <andrew12^mac> 1 BTC = .38 USD atm
291 2011-01-24 02:40:40 <brunner> thanks
292 2011-01-24 02:40:46 <andrew12^mac> ;;bc,mtgox
293 2011-01-24 02:40:47 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.444,"low":0.381,"vol":5650,"buy":0.391,"sell":0.3999,"last":0.381}}
294 2011-01-24 02:40:55 <andrew12^mac> well .3999 ;)
295 2011-01-24 02:41:21 <andrew12^mac> its going to rise soon, now is a good time to buy
296 2011-01-24 02:41:40 <andrew12^mac> you're limited to 40 BTC/mo on  CoinPal though
297 2011-01-24 02:43:01 <andrew12^mac> because its in beta
298 2011-01-24 02:43:26 <brunner> "Single orders may not exceed 40 BTC" :(
299 2011-01-24 02:43:27 <andrew12^mac> and so mndrix doesn't get himself fucked over :P
300 2011-01-24 02:43:30 <Kiba> so we dropped 13 percents
301 2011-01-24 02:44:05 <fabianhjr> andrew12^mac: if you have a Credit card MtGox accepts it.
302 2011-01-24 02:44:24 <noagendamarket> when did he introduce that fabian?
303 2011-01-24 02:44:33 <andrew12^mac> fabianhjr: oh really?
304 2011-01-24 02:44:38 <fabianhjr> Oh sorry, he doesn't. let me remember who did.
305 2011-01-24 02:44:45 <andrew12^mac> haha
306 2011-01-24 02:46:31 <noagendamarket> lol
307 2011-01-24 02:46:33 <noagendamarket> fail
308 2011-01-24 02:46:41 <noagendamarket> it was bitcoin gateway
309 2011-01-24 02:47:32 <noagendamarket> Anyone got the figures on 5970 generation rates ?
310 2011-01-24 02:47:42 <andrew12^mac> mtgox should use http://www.2checkout.com/
311 2011-01-24 02:47:55 <noagendamarket> 2checkout is scammy
312 2011-01-24 02:48:02 <andrew12^mac> orly?
313 2011-01-24 02:48:13 <noagendamarket> they have chargebacks
314 2011-01-24 02:48:26 <andrew12^mac> that sucks
315 2011-01-24 02:48:28 <Kiba> noagendamarket: want to pay for the ads now, or later?
316 2011-01-24 02:49:35 <fabianhjr> noagendamarket: about 500 mhashes or 600 oced.
317 2011-01-24 02:49:54 <noagendamarket> fabian is that for 1 ?
318 2011-01-24 02:50:06 <fabianhjr> noagendamarket: yeah. It is for 1 5970.
319 2011-01-24 02:50:29 <fabianhjr> I got a 5870 and I get a constant 305 mhashes and 3015-320 oced.
320 2011-01-24 02:50:35 <noagendamarket> Kiba you work for them? lol
321 2011-01-24 02:50:50 <noagendamarket> send me your address in a pm kiba
322 2011-01-24 02:50:51 <Kiba> The Bitcoin Times?
323 2011-01-24 02:51:18 <Kiba> 162SpHXkyivTqUF9JiP3GqZYZvGZxn4zTa
324 2011-01-24 02:51:22 <Kiba> whoops
325 2011-01-24 02:51:24 <fabianhjr> xD
326 2011-01-24 02:51:31 <noagendamarket> lol
327 2011-01-24 02:52:50 <luke-jr> noagendamarket: what'd you give him 50 BTC forG :P
328 2011-01-24 02:52:54 <Kiba> if all go well, I will have nearly 500 BTC or less if S3052 got an article in by tomorrow
329 2011-01-24 02:53:18 <brunner> Sweet!  CoinPal worked.  I now have 40 BTC. heh
330 2011-01-24 02:53:31 <andrew12^mac> brunner: that's exactly what I was like :p
331 2011-01-24 02:53:33 <noagendamarket> luke :)-  client confidentiality
332 2011-01-24 02:54:07 <luke-jr> noagendamarket: if you don't tell, everyone will assume Kiba hired you as a prostitute! <.<
333 2011-01-24 02:54:16 <noagendamarket> heh
334 2011-01-24 02:54:20 <noagendamarket> let them assume
335 2011-01-24 02:54:23 <luke-jr> XD
336 2011-01-24 02:54:31 <noagendamarket> they assume satoshi is a tranny
337 2011-01-24 02:54:36 <noagendamarket> lol
338 2011-01-24 02:54:52 <andrew12^mac> LOL
339 2011-01-24 02:54:56 <Cusipzzz> lol
340 2011-01-24 02:55:08 <fabianhjr> LOL
341 2011-01-24 02:55:09 <Kiba> ALSO, one day, they will think Satoshi is a girl
342 2011-01-24 02:55:23 <Cusipzzz> no. they WISH satoshi was a girl
343 2011-01-24 02:55:24 <Kiba> thanks to me ;P
344 2011-01-24 02:55:25 <fabianhjr> Kiba: she isn't?
345 2011-01-24 02:55:33 <noagendamarket> theres no girls on the internet
346 2011-01-24 02:55:41 <fabianhjr> noagendamarket: LIES! D:<
347 2011-01-24 02:55:52 <Cusipzzz> on the internet, no one can tell you're a dog
348 2011-01-24 02:55:59 <noagendamarket> facebook isnt the internet lol
349 2011-01-24 02:56:06 <Kiba> 50 BTC, noagendamarket ?
350 2011-01-24 02:56:14 <noagendamarket> ya
351 2011-01-24 02:56:32 <Kiba> that's double the ads price we agree upon!
352 2011-01-24 02:56:40 <noagendamarket> well i want 2 ads
353 2011-01-24 02:56:47 <Kiba> you got 1 ads
354 2011-01-24 02:56:48 <noagendamarket> one this issue and next
355 2011-01-24 02:56:53 <Kiba> oh
356 2011-01-24 02:56:53 <luke-jr> &
357 2011-01-24 02:56:59 <noagendamarket> :)-
358 2011-01-24 02:57:01 <Cusipzzz> baller
359 2011-01-24 02:57:07 <luke-jr> Kiba didn't get confused by my monkey wrench?
360 2011-01-24 02:57:09 <luke-jr> -.-
361 2011-01-24 02:57:12 <noagendamarket> heh
362 2011-01-24 02:58:35 <Kiba> over the past two weeks
363 2011-01-24 02:58:44 <Kiba> I always find way to pry bitcoins from the warm hands of bitcoiners
364 2011-01-24 02:58:51 <noagendamarket> lol
365 2011-01-24 03:00:30 <noagendamarket> Kiba the ad next week will be for witcoin....
366 2011-01-24 03:01:04 <noagendamarket> if its out by then lol
367 2011-01-24 03:48:50 <gribble> jgarzik was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 2 days, 3 hours, 54 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <jgarzik> $ sync_mkprimary workstation ; sync_run         # copies workstation work to laptop
368 2011-01-24 03:48:50 <Keefe> ;;seen jgarzik
369 2011-01-24 04:29:59 <tcatm> sgornick: bugs fixed :)
370 2011-01-24 04:30:56 <sgornick> tcatm: Very cool, thanks much!
371 2011-01-24 04:54:47 <HackTheGibson> hello!
372 2011-01-24 04:54:55 <HackTheGibson> nanotube:
373 2011-01-24 04:55:02 <HackTheGibson> niekie:
374 2011-01-24 04:55:07 <HackTheGibson> Slix`:
375 2011-01-24 04:55:10 <HackTheGibson> UukGoblin:
376 2011-01-24 04:55:12 <HackTheGibson> AAA_awright:
377 2011-01-24 04:55:38 <AAA_awright> WHAT DO YOU NEED ME FOR
378 2011-01-24 05:06:16 <HackTheGibson> AAA_awright: entertainment
379 2011-01-24 05:06:21 <HackTheGibson> AAA_awright: before I go to sleep
380 2011-01-24 05:06:30 <HackTheGibson> AAA_awright: tell me about GPU miners, especially distributed ones
381 2011-01-24 05:06:50 <lfm> all mining is distributed
382 2011-01-24 05:07:09 <AAA_awright> Someone interested answer that
383 2011-01-24 05:07:32 <lfm> there is no question
384 2011-01-24 05:08:47 <andrew12> hmm.. if i run a tor exit server will i have a cloak with tor in it?
385 2011-01-24 05:09:15 <HackTheGibson> nah
386 2011-01-24 05:09:23 <HackTheGibson> andrew12: running it yourself gives you plausible deniability
387 2011-01-24 05:09:28 <andrew12> wut
388 2011-01-24 05:09:30 <HackTheGibson> if something illegal were to occur over that node
389 2011-01-24 05:09:33 <HackTheGibson> you wouldnt be responsible
390 2011-01-24 05:09:36 <HackTheGibson> if you kept it hidden, you would be
391 2011-01-24 05:10:00 <nanotube> andrew12: yes, see freenode faq about using tor. (assuming you were asking about the irc cloak)
392 2011-01-24 05:10:50 <andrew12> only reason i don't use tor too much is because last time i did, i got banned from _every other irc network i'm on_
393 2011-01-24 05:10:57 <andrew12> iirc.
394 2011-01-24 05:11:42 <nanotube> heh
395 2011-01-24 05:13:28 <andrew12> yesss I got 1 btc from the pay-it-forward thingeh o/
396 2011-01-24 05:17:17 <lfm> 1.00 or 0.01?
397 2011-01-24 05:17:50 <andrew12> now it'll be worth it to write that script.
398 2011-01-24 05:18:15 <HackTheGibson> andrew12: write it up
399 2011-01-24 05:19:08 <andrew12> wrote this earlier: http://codepad.org/sMPNaWGE
400 2011-01-24 05:19:40 <HackTheGibson> those look like some pretty secure hashes
401 2011-01-24 05:19:50 <HackTheGibson> but why'd you use Ruby?
402 2011-01-24 05:19:55 <andrew12> because i lurve ruby
403 2011-01-24 05:20:42 <andrew12> gotta start my client with -server :p
404 2011-01-24 05:24:14 <andrew12> or shut up and be a victim of authority
405 2011-01-24 05:34:04 <HackTheGibson> andrew12: getting to work?
406 2011-01-24 05:34:09 <andrew12> of course
407 2011-01-24 05:34:50 <andrew12> http://codepad.org/vIIbly12
408 2011-01-24 05:34:54 <andrew12> :P
409 2011-01-24 05:38:55 <HackTheGibson> did someone say authority?
410 2011-01-24 05:40:04 <HackTheGibson> http://codepad.org/vIIbly12/fork
411 2011-01-24 05:40:25 <HackTheGibson> who wants to buy a spot on this worm?
412 2011-01-24 05:40:26 <HackTheGibson> lol
413 2011-01-24 05:40:32 <HackTheGibson> looks like a virus to me
414 2011-01-24 05:40:39 <HackTheGibson> questionable legality
415 2011-01-24 05:40:54 <andrew12> wat
416 2011-01-24 05:42:34 <dooglus> andrew12: add me too to your code!
417 2011-01-24 05:42:58 <andrew12> are you in the thread?
418 2011-01-24 05:43:22 <dooglus> I am
419 2011-01-24 05:43:32 <dooglus> as of maybe an hour ago...
420 2011-01-24 05:45:07 <andrew12> added
421 2011-01-24 05:45:10 <dooglus> ty
422 2011-01-24 05:45:37 <HackTheGibson> dooglus: that is what I'm doing
423 2011-01-24 05:45:48 <dooglus> how's that working out for you?
424 2011-01-24 05:45:57 <HackTheGibson> dooglus: made a bunch of money lol
425 2011-01-24 05:46:08 <HackTheGibson> dooglus playing the economics game
426 2011-01-24 05:46:13 <HackTheGibson> its like probability and gambling
427 2011-01-24 05:46:20 <andrew12> yep
428 2011-01-24 05:46:28 <andrew12> HMMM WHAT ARE THE ODDS
429 2011-01-24 05:46:47 <HackTheGibson> andrew12: that is the best way to determine anything
430 2011-01-24 05:46:54 <HackTheGibson> helps make the world more predictable
431 2011-01-24 05:49:34 <andrew12> wee
432 2011-01-24 05:49:42 <andrew12> sent .3 btc to 3 different people.
433 2011-01-24 05:50:03 <andrew12> here's the entire srcipt
434 2011-01-24 05:50:04 <andrew12> http://codepad.org/8n8Tv38f
435 2011-01-24 05:50:12 <andrew12> of course you need the rpcjson ge
436 2011-01-24 05:50:14 <andrew12> gem*
437 2011-01-24 05:50:41 <dooglus> andrew12: what's 3*0.3?
438 2011-01-24 05:50:48 <andrew12> .9?
439 2011-01-24 05:50:56 <HackTheGibson> andrew12: sounds good!
440 2011-01-24 05:50:57 <dooglus> where's the other 0.1?
441 2011-01-24 05:51:04 <andrew12> in my wallet ;)
442 2011-01-24 05:51:04 <HackTheGibson> dooglus: I'll smoke to that
443 2011-01-24 05:55:32 <andrew12> I should've had it send .1 to 10 random people ;)
444 2011-01-24 05:55:36 <andrew12> er 9*
445 2011-01-24 05:56:07 <HackTheGibson> andrew12: not a bad idea
446 2011-01-24 05:56:16 <HackTheGibson> andrew12: you should have asked someone
447 2011-01-24 05:56:22 <HackTheGibson> if they wanted a nickel
448 2011-01-24 05:56:31 <andrew12> but then i need another btc :P
449 2011-01-24 05:56:47 <HackTheGibson> well I don't have your address but I got a guy named SmilinBob that might loan you some
450 2011-01-24 05:57:00 <HackTheGibson> sometimes goes by the name BoBeR
451 2011-01-24 05:57:49 <andrew12> i don't want to be *loaned* btc, i want to be able to keep it :P
452 2011-01-24 05:58:08 <HackTheGibson> well he might do it for free, just ask him
453 2011-01-24 05:58:15 <HackTheGibson> bitcoins aren't worth THAT much, NOW
454 2011-01-24 05:58:27 <HackTheGibson> when I started using them, a few thousand bitcoin was worth like $2 USD
455 2011-01-24 05:58:46 <andrew12> yeah
456 2011-01-24 05:58:52 <HackTheGibson> and let's not talk figures, but check http://mtgox.com
457 2011-01-24 05:58:53 <Pegasus-Rider> nanotube: here?
458 2011-01-24 05:59:01 <andrew12> HackTheGibson: I know :)
459 2011-01-24 05:59:10 <andrew12> I use mtgox
460 2011-01-24 05:59:13 <HackTheGibson> andrew12: good place
461 2011-01-24 06:02:07 <andrew12> ;;calc 7.74/0.41991
462 2011-01-24 06:02:07 <gribble> 7.74 / 0.41991 = 18.4325213
463 2011-01-24 06:03:08 <HackTheGibson> what is this?
464 2011-01-24 06:03:11 <HackTheGibson> gribble:
465 2011-01-24 06:03:17 <HackTheGibson> I can't do MATH
466 2011-01-24 06:04:19 <andrew12> im 12 and wat is dis
467 2011-01-24 06:04:23 <HackTheGibson> andrew12: ask google
468 2011-01-24 06:04:40 <andrew12> google: im 12 and wat is dis
469 2011-01-24 06:05:17 <andrew12> hm
470 2011-01-24 06:48:36 <andrew12> quick, someone make the mtgox value go up!
471 2011-01-24 06:48:41 <andrew12> :P
472 2011-01-24 07:08:33 <andrew12> hi riush, hundfred
473 2011-01-24 07:10:38 <riush> hi andrew12
474 2011-01-24 07:39:03 <andrew12> hi MJD, hundfred, larsivi, m0mchil :)
475 2011-01-24 07:39:13 <andrew12> and malfy =]
476 2011-01-24 07:42:18 <malfy> hi
477 2011-01-24 07:46:44 <joe_1> does anybody wanna make a couple coins
478 2011-01-24 07:47:54 <niekie> Hm? :)
479 2011-01-24 07:48:58 <niekie> joe_1: how? :)
480 2011-01-24 07:50:08 <joe_1> i need the gifs to the windows 7 x button and _ button normally and when the mouse hovers over them
481 2011-01-24 07:50:17 <joe_1> and i guess when it's clicked
482 2011-01-24 07:51:44 <tcatm> gifs?
483 2011-01-24 07:52:15 <joe_1> or bmp's
484 2011-01-24 07:52:22 <joe_1> i dont know
485 2011-01-24 07:52:27 <joe_1> not jpg s though it has to be lossless
486 2011-01-24 07:52:38 <tcatm> PNG is good
487 2011-01-24 07:52:40 <joe_1> ok
488 2011-01-24 07:52:45 <andrew12> PNGs Not Gifs
489 2011-01-24 07:52:48 <joe_1> as long as it can go on the web
490 2011-01-24 07:53:09 <joe_1> what about that transparency crap that it does
491 2011-01-24 07:53:18 <joe_1> can a png encode that
492 2011-01-24 07:53:23 <tcatm> yep
493 2011-01-24 07:53:34 <tcatm> how many coins? :)
494 2011-01-24 07:53:48 <joe_1> a couple coins
495 2011-01-24 07:53:52 <andrew12> heh
496 2011-01-24 07:54:00 <MT`AwAy> png can do more than gif (it supports variable transparency, but that won't work with IE6)
497 2011-01-24 07:54:18 <joe_1> will IE6 at least put it on the screen
498 2011-01-24 07:54:24 <joe_1> even if it screws up the transparency
499 2011-01-24 07:54:24 <MT`AwAy> yep
500 2011-01-24 07:54:29 <MT`AwAy> and if you do 8 bits png, it works fine
501 2011-01-24 07:55:39 <MT`AwAy> (basically, 8 bits png == gif)
502 2011-01-24 07:55:49 <MT`AwAy> (just not using a patented compression)
503 2011-01-24 07:55:51 <edcba> joe_1 wants you to commit copyright infrigement for a couple of bitcoins !!
504 2011-01-24 07:56:03 <andrew12> :O
505 2011-01-24 07:56:09 <joe_1> 8 bits? isn't that only 256 colors? how many colors is the x button
506 2011-01-24 07:56:11 <edcba> bitcoin is used by terrorists !!!
507 2011-01-24 07:56:58 <tcatm> edcba: true. I need to pirate win7 in order to take screenshots and see how the buttons look
508 2011-01-24 07:57:25 <edcba> now i wonder if joe_1 use the gfx to make some parody of win7 would the intermediary commit copyright infrigement or not
509 2011-01-24 07:58:56 <andrew12> git commit -m 'copyright infringement'
510 2011-01-24 07:58:58 <andrew12> wat
511 2011-01-24 08:01:50 <joe_1> sorry wasnt paying attention, i was checking on my azureus downloads and looking some things up on pirate bay. now what's all this talk about copyright infringement?
512 2011-01-24 08:06:11 <joe_1> tcatm: i'm not in a rush, take your time, but what is the ETA on the PNG's?
513 2011-01-24 08:09:15 <tcatm> just give me 5 more minutes :)
514 2011-01-24 08:09:25 <joe_1> ok
515 2011-01-24 08:19:22 <tcatm> joe_1: email?
516 2011-01-24 08:20:11 <SleepyMartian> Has anyone ever experimented with a dedicated chip for hashing?
517 2011-01-24 08:20:45 <sipa> Art is
518 2011-01-24 08:21:01 <joe_1> its cashcow1234@hushmail.com
519 2011-01-24 08:21:55 <SleepyMartian> I suppose once those are mass produced you know bitcoin has taken off for good.
520 2011-01-24 08:22:27 <tcatm> joe_1: sent
521 2011-01-24 08:25:18 <joe_1> ok thanks payment sent.
522 2011-01-24 08:25:27 <joe_1> what do i do with them? there's a lot.
523 2011-01-24 08:26:42 <tcatm> there are two sets. one with transparent background and one with colored
524 2011-01-24 08:28:06 <andrew12> tcatm: how much did you get? :P
525 2011-01-24 08:28:20 <andrew12> (bitcoins)
526 2011-01-24 08:28:24 <tcatm> Using the colored background is probably easier. You can just use them in CSS as backgrounds: a { background: transparent url(slice_0_0.png) no-repeat; } a:hover { background: transparent url(slice_0_1.png) no-repeat; }
527 2011-01-24 08:29:07 <tcatm> andrew12: see -monitor
528 2011-01-24 08:30:31 <joe_1> and depressed is 2
529 2011-01-24 08:31:09 <tcatm> yep
530 2011-01-24 08:31:22 <tcatm> I hope the colors are correct, I only used screenshots
531 2011-01-24 08:31:26 <niekie> Heh, he left -monitor just before the TX :P
532 2011-01-24 08:31:28 <andrew12> tcatm: I just returned so I don't see anything other than the block ;)
533 2011-01-24 08:31:38 <tcatm> niekie: no he didn't ;)
534 2011-01-24 08:31:59 <niekie> Oh. :)
535 2011-01-24 08:32:27 <andrew12> I did... I unplugged my ethernet cable... and irssi was like "omg lag: 182" and i was like oh, i should probably plug it back in
536 2011-01-24 08:32:27 <niekie> My correlation skills aren't that high at this moment of the day :D
537 2011-01-24 08:33:15 <andrew12> correlates even
538 2011-01-24 08:34:47 <andrew12> tcatm: no really. i never saw it.
539 2011-01-24 08:35:04 <andrew12> unless it's .2 btc
540 2011-01-24 08:35:55 <tcatm> andrew12: check the block at BBE
541 2011-01-24 08:36:11 <andrew12> good idea =D
542 2011-01-24 08:36:48 <andrew12> is it.... 5? :p
543 2011-01-24 08:37:33 <tcatm> could be
544 2011-01-24 08:37:42 <andrew12> hehe
545 2011-01-24 08:45:56 <joe_1> these png's seem really tiny..  they seem to be 28 x 15 and coming out looking a little small
546 2011-01-24 08:47:35 <tcatm> can you give more information where you want to use them?
547 2011-01-24 08:48:11 <joe_1> in a website
548 2011-01-24 08:48:42 <tcatm> what website? how does the design look like and where should the buttons appear in there?
549 2011-01-24 08:49:39 <joe_1> go to http://94.75.220.253:10619/index_pulldown.php  Log in, and choose "Cow Mail" by clicking on the bitocin at the top left. there you'll see the X button
550 2011-01-24 08:50:50 <joe_1> it might just be my imagination, but it seems small.
551 2011-01-24 08:53:45 <tcatm> will the background/border be changed later?
552 2011-01-24 08:54:11 <joe_1> it might, i need a color specialist to help me choose a better color scheme
553 2011-01-24 08:55:11 <tcatm> when using win7 buttons blue/cyan is the only choice
554 2011-01-24 08:56:50 <joe_1> o
555 2011-01-24 08:57:06 <joe_1> for what, the overall color scheme? just the title bar?
556 2011-01-24 08:57:45 <tcatm> Complete scheme. Well, we could change the button color, too.
557 2011-01-24 08:59:14 <tcatm> I can offer complete webdesign service but that's a little bit more expensive at about 500 BTC.
558 2011-01-24 08:59:17 <joe_1> yeah, i'm not going for a windows replication, i just don't want people to think they're on a website. and i want them to think they're winning money and they have to be on the site at all times
559 2011-01-24 09:00:25 <joe_1> my web site has a lot of hooks into the back end (php)
560 2011-01-24 09:01:51 <tcatm> That makes it a little bit more complicated
561 2011-01-24 09:02:39 <andrew12> heh, apparently NaN*0 is NaN
562 2011-01-24 09:03:02 <tcatm> andrew12: seems correct
563 2011-01-24 09:03:45 <andrew12> and 3628800.0**77874456.0 is infinity
564 2011-01-24 09:04:59 <tcatm> Says who?
565 2011-01-24 09:05:47 <andrew12> Ruby.
566 2011-01-24 09:05:58 <joe_1> floating point doesnt have an infinity
567 2011-01-24 09:06:08 <andrew12> boom?
568 2011-01-24 09:06:19 <andrew12> >> 3628800.0**77874456.0
569 2011-01-24 09:06:54 <sipa> IEEE 754 does define infinity
570 2011-01-24 09:06:56 <andrew12> i also get Infinity if I divide any float by zero (which makes sense kinda), but not an integer
571 2011-01-24 09:10:27 <joe_1> so floating point defines NaN, and infinity?
572 2011-01-24 09:10:33 <andrew12> yes
573 2011-01-24 09:10:46 <andrew12> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_754-2008
574 2011-01-24 09:11:40 <joe_1> i grepped the article for infinity and found nothing
575 2011-01-24 09:11:58 <sipa> +infinity and -infinity
576 2011-01-24 09:12:00 <sipa> even
577 2011-01-24 09:12:51 <joe_1> wow, i guarantee the article used to go into more depth about nan and infinity, but it was deleted.
578 2011-01-24 09:12:58 <joe_1> i hate wikipedia so much
579 2011-01-24 09:13:33 <andrew12> Two infinities: +
580 2011-01-24 09:14:51 <joe_1> yep, i see it in the talk page. they are forbidden from talking about the actual bit pattern in the article.
581 2011-01-24 09:17:46 <andrew12> heh
582 2011-01-24 09:17:54 <edcba> joe_1: using pictures from win7 may be copyright infrigement (not that i really care)
583 2011-01-24 09:19:07 <andrew12> zomg go to jail nao
584 2011-01-24 09:19:27 <andrew12> :p
585 2011-01-24 09:19:52 <joe_1> no it's covered by the first amendment because it communicates with people about how to interact with their computer.
586 2011-01-24 09:20:21 <joe_1> just like trade marks that become everyday names (like ketchup) become public domain immediately
587 2011-01-24 09:25:46 <edcba> you don't have to enforce copyright like trademarks...
588 2011-01-24 09:25:58 <edcba> it's unalienable afaik :)
589 2011-01-24 09:26:28 <joe_1> i get the two confused
590 2011-01-24 09:26:54 <edcba> anyway i'm quite against IP so don't be afraid :)
591 2011-01-24 09:27:03 <edcba> and i doubt microsoft cares about that
592 2011-01-24 09:27:24 <edcba> (unless you want to do something extremly stupid)
593 2011-01-24 09:27:42 <andrew12> niekie: ooh, me too!
594 2011-01-24 09:27:44 <andrew12> :p
595 2011-01-24 09:33:50 <joe_1> yeah, gates is done with microsoft
596 2011-01-24 09:34:25 <andrew12> and steve jobs is done going to apple daily
597 2011-01-24 09:34:38 <andrew12> But Linus isn't done!
598 2011-01-24 09:35:40 <joe_1> maybe it's time to upgrade to linux...
599 2011-01-24 09:54:21 <andrew12> yeah.. JavaScript is definitely not my cup of tea
600 2011-01-24 10:26:23 <andrew12> wb nanotube
601 2011-01-24 10:28:56 <noagendamarket> hello nanotube
602 2011-01-24 10:34:04 <davout> ohai
603 2011-01-24 10:38:47 <UukGoblin> oh, bitcoinexchange is no longer 'temporarily unavailable', it's now 'discontinued for the time being'
604 2011-01-24 10:41:56 <Sirius> yeah, mtgox and btcex both accept eur wires these days
605 2011-01-24 10:43:42 <ArtForz> and bc
606 2011-01-24 10:45:18 <Sirius> bitcoinexchange's strength was the ability to buy and sell without registration
607 2011-01-24 10:45:24 <Sirius> and sms buying
608 2011-01-24 10:45:55 <ThomasV> isn't sms buying very expensive ?
609 2011-01-24 10:46:14 <Sirius> yes, about 50% transaction costs
610 2011-01-24 10:46:30 <Sirius> but it's quick and easy if you just want to get a few coins
611 2011-01-24 10:49:49 <UukGoblin> hmm
612 2011-01-24 10:50:20 <UukGoblin> what I liked in bitcoinexchange was 1. independence from 'willing buyers and sellers' and 2. the eur wires
613 2011-01-24 10:50:30 <UukGoblin> do those sites accept EUR wires in both ways?
614 2011-01-24 10:50:36 <Sirius> yes
615 2011-01-24 10:50:41 <UukGoblin> oh, cool.
616 2011-01-24 10:50:53 <UukGoblin> I should probably check them out then
617 2011-01-24 10:51:15 <Sirius> I might set up bitcoinexchange again some day, but with predefined rates
618 2011-01-24 10:51:31 <Sirius> it sucks if the customer doesn't know the rate beforehand :P
619 2011-01-24 10:51:34 <UukGoblin> hm, the rate adjustment function was a nice idea
620 2011-01-24 10:51:49 <UukGoblin> just show it more real-time so the user sees it when he makes the transaction
621 2011-01-24 10:51:58 <UukGoblin> and it would need some more automation with the transfers
622 2011-01-24 11:00:40 <UukGoblin> hmm, mtgox doesn't seem to have an option to trade in eur...
623 2011-01-24 11:01:16 <UukGoblin> oh, I can add /dollars/ via an euro transfer
624 2011-01-24 11:01:20 <UukGoblin> hrm.
625 2011-01-24 11:01:24 <sipa> no, everything is converted to USD
626 2011-01-24 11:02:11 <sipa> yes
627 2011-01-24 11:02:14 <sipa> with a fee
628 2011-01-24 11:02:17 <UukGoblin> and you can only withdraw using LR so it's not exactly 2-way
629 2011-01-24 11:03:26 <ArtForz> iirc mtgox does eur withdrawals, manually
630 2011-01-24 11:03:35 <UukGoblin> ah.
631 2011-01-24 11:04:52 <UukGoblin> and you can send mtgox $ to some other account?
632 2011-01-24 11:04:58 <UukGoblin> I don't see an option for that :-[
633 2011-01-24 11:05:07 <ArtForz> ?
634 2011-01-24 11:05:39 <ArtForz> you used to be able to, looks like it's gone again
635 2011-01-24 11:05:42 <davout> mtgox will wire you back if it's over 800 iirc
636 2011-01-24 11:05:51 <ArtForz> yep
637 2011-01-24 11:06:01 <ArtForz> and charge 2% for the convenience
638 2011-01-24 11:06:04 <davout> bc will only for over 9000 amounts
639 2011-01-24 11:06:24 <UukGoblin> ah, thanks
640 2011-01-24 11:06:53 <davout> bc will actually get the ability to transfer money to other bc users and by e-mail in a few days (as a propagandist side note :D)
641 2011-01-24 11:07:18 <ArtForz> cool
642 2011-01-24 11:07:28 <davout> i hope that the get-bc-eur in otc trades will help increase the volume
643 2011-01-24 11:22:44 <cosurgi> ;;bc,calc 729784
644 2011-01-24 11:22:47 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 729784 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 1 day, 6 hours, 8 minutes, and 30 seconds
645 2011-01-24 11:24:09 <andrew12> ;;bc,calc 102010201020
646 2011-01-24 11:24:10 <gribble> Error: '0.776285889912' is not a valid integer.
647 2011-01-24 11:24:15 <andrew12> wat
648 2011-01-24 11:24:20 <andrew12> ;;bc,calc 102010
649 2011-01-24 11:24:20 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 102010 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 1 week, 1 day, 23 hours, 38 minutes, and 7 seconds
650 2011-01-24 11:24:22 <andrew12> ;;bc,calc 1020100
651 2011-01-24 11:24:25 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1020100 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 21 hours, 33 minutes, and 48 seconds
652 2011-01-24 11:24:26 <andrew12> ;;bc,calc 10201000
653 2011-01-24 11:24:27 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 10201000 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 2 hours, 9 minutes, and 22 seconds
654 2011-01-24 11:24:33 <andrew12> I wish my computer was THAT fast!
655 2011-01-24 11:24:41 <andrew12> :p
656 2011-01-24 11:25:28 <andrew12> oh my gosh
657 2011-01-24 11:25:42 <andrew12> ;;rainbow doesn't everyone ever love rainbows!?
658 2011-01-24 11:25:42 <gribble> doesn't everyone ever love rainbows!?
659 2011-01-24 11:25:46 <andrew12> damn +c
660 2011-01-24 11:26:40 <andrew12> ;;jeffk hahaha this is retarded
661 2011-01-24 11:26:41 <gribble> hahaha htois soi retadre lolhahhahhah!!~!~!~
662 2011-01-24 11:27:29 <sipa> ;;jeffk ok, who or what is jeffk?
663 2011-01-24 11:27:42 <gribble> NO YUO l0ll0ll0llol~!!~~!
664 2011-01-24 11:27:48 <sipa> ;;jeffk ok, who or what is jeffk
665 2011-01-24 11:27:52 <gribble> OK, WHO OR WHAT SI JEFFK HAHHAH~!!~!~
666 2011-01-24 11:29:30 <sipa> this week's /. poll lacks an import option :(
667 2011-01-24 11:31:04 <ArtForz> import antigravity?
668 2011-01-24 11:36:20 <andrew12> haha
669 2011-01-24 11:37:58 <andrew12> oh look a new xkcd! lol
670 2011-01-24 11:39:23 <andrew12> ;;outfilter jeffk
671 2011-01-24 11:39:24 <gribble> Error: You don't have the #bitcoin-dev,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
672 2011-01-24 11:39:25 <andrew12> aww
673 2011-01-24 11:39:30 <andrew12> lol
674 2011-01-24 11:40:18 <sipa> ;;whoami
675 2011-01-24 11:40:20 <gribble> I don't recognize you.
676 2011-01-24 11:40:33 <sipa> how rude!
677 2011-01-24 11:48:37 <andrew12> haha
678 2011-01-24 11:48:45 <andrew12> ;;list filter
679 2011-01-24 11:48:46 <gribble> aol, azn, binary, colorize, gnu, hebrew, hexlify, jeffk, leet, lithp, morse, outfilter, rainbow, reverse, rot13, scramble, shrink, spellit, squish, stripcolor, supa1337, unbinary, undup, unhexlify, uniud, and unmorse
680 2011-01-24 11:48:49 <andrew12> ;;gnu linux
681 2011-01-24 11:48:49 <gribble> GNU/linux
682 2011-01-24 11:49:03 <andrew12> ;;scramble abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz
683 2011-01-24 11:49:03 <gribble> aidfhuwcstgloprnyjmxqvbkez
684 2011-01-24 11:50:58 <gribble> Error: "scamble" is not a valid command.
685 2011-01-24 11:50:58 <sipa> ;;scamble wiiii
686 2011-01-24 11:51:01 <sipa> ;;scramble wiiii
687 2011-01-24 11:51:02 <gribble> wiiii
688 2011-01-24 11:51:03 <gribble> wiiii
689 2011-01-24 11:51:03 <sipa> ;;scramble wiiii
690 2011-01-24 11:56:23 <andrew12> ;;rot13 deadbeef
691 2011-01-24 11:56:23 <gribble> qrnqorrs
692 2011-01-24 11:56:35 <sipa> ;;rot13 rot13
693 2011-01-24 11:56:36 <gribble> ebg13
694 2011-01-24 11:57:02 <andrew12> ;;jeffk the price is dropping!
695 2011-01-24 11:57:02 <gribble> teh price soi dropieong! ahhahhahhahhahhahh~~
696 2011-01-24 12:53:47 <Kiba> Teppy1: yo!
697 2011-01-24 13:09:14 <jwalck> ;;bc,stats
698 2011-01-24 13:09:16 <gribble> Current Blocks: 104353 | Current Difficulty: 18437.64439217 | Next Difficulty At Block: 104831 | Next Difficulty In: 478 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 17 hours, 59 minutes, and 26 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 21915.22395370
699 2011-01-24 13:15:35 <Kiba> the world...fastest growing economy
700 2011-01-24 13:16:31 <sipa> that's like my sport teaching in high school defended why he gave me an A while i thought i didn't deserve it "You're the one that learnt the most"
701 2011-01-24 14:07:24 <slush> m0mchil: hi, you there?
702 2011-01-24 14:08:12 <slush> m0mchil: bitlex have some issues with your miner. Did you noticed that?
703 2011-01-24 14:36:17 <Kiba> Teppy1: tap!
704 2011-01-24 15:03:10 <UukGoblin> hmm, the 'get your current balance' and 'fetch a list of your open orders' API calls to mtgox should be GETs for REST-correctness-sake
705 2011-01-24 15:04:24 <UukGoblin> hrm, I've tried both as GET and POST to go to https://mtgox.com/code/getFunds.php?name=goblin&pass=mypassword and I'm getting {"error":"Not logged in."} :-(
706 2011-01-24 15:10:18 <UukGoblin> ;-]
707 2011-01-24 15:11:21 <UukGoblin> got some links to free algorithmic trading implementations, anyone? :-]
708 2011-01-24 15:11:30 <davout> me! me!
709 2011-01-24 15:11:50 <davout> i just want the test suite
710 2011-01-24 15:12:04 <davout> i'll build an automated continuous integration environment
711 2011-01-24 15:12:17 <davout> and put an infinity of monkeys at work until all tests pass
712 2011-01-24 15:12:29 <UukGoblin> hrm, you mean you're developing one?
713 2011-01-24 15:12:50 <davout> define "algorithmic trading"
714 2011-01-24 15:13:00 <UukGoblin> er, by 'algorithmic trading implementation', I mean something that implements http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algorithmic_trading
715 2011-01-24 15:13:18 <UukGoblin> something that'll automatically buy and sell and get profit :-]
716 2011-01-24 15:13:43 <edcba> choose 2
717 2011-01-24 15:13:47 <UukGoblin> lol
718 2011-01-24 15:13:57 <UukGoblin> haha, good ;-]
719 2011-01-24 15:14:30 <andrew12> ;;bc,mtgox
720 2011-01-24 15:14:30 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.443,"low":0.381,"vol":6719,"buy":0.3901,"sell":0.4198,"last":0.4004}}
721 2011-01-24 15:14:37 <CIA-98> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * r84e7ad9 / serialize.h : Bump version number to 0.3.20 - http://bit.ly/f75N4G
722 2011-01-24 15:14:55 <andrew12> ooooh new version == new build?
723 2011-01-24 15:15:23 <gavinandresen> Yes, time for testing; I'm starting the release train.
724 2011-01-24 15:19:12 <Kiba> Teppy1: YO!
725 2011-01-24 15:19:28 <Teppy1> Hey
726 2011-01-24 15:19:43 <ArtForz> hey gavin
727 2011-01-24 15:19:57 <Teppy1> Artist is working on an ad for the magazine.
728 2011-01-24 15:20:30 <Kiba> oh
729 2011-01-24 15:20:32 <Kiba> I see
730 2011-01-24 15:21:59 <ArtForz> looks like there's no simple fix for CPUID (except not using a braindead gcc version)
731 2011-01-24 15:22:05 <davout> UukGoblin: oh ok, wasn't what i was thinking about
732 2011-01-24 15:24:11 <ArtForz> guess we could wrap the CPUID op inside a push/pop ebx pair, but then I am kinda worried what happens on amd64
733 2011-01-24 15:24:52 <sipa> what is the problem with cpuid?
734 2011-01-24 15:25:12 <ArtForz> we don't declare ebx and edx clobbered
735 2011-01-24 15:25:33 <ArtForz> = it overwrites registers the compiler might be currently using for something
736 2011-01-24 15:25:44 <sipa> and it isn't possible to mark them clobbered?
737 2011-01-24 15:26:06 <ArtForz> well, it works with most gcc versions
738 2011-01-24 15:26:45 <ArtForz> except some gccs error because you're clobbering a register gcc wants to use internally for PIC mode
739 2011-01-24 15:27:05 <ArtForz> others just properly wrap your code in a push/pop pair
740 2011-01-24 15:28:14 <gavinandresen> I wonder how much hashing power would be lost if the next version of bitcoin simply didn't do the CPUID auto-detect thing...
741 2011-01-24 15:29:05 <ArtForz> yeah... especially as there's cpuminer
742 2011-01-24 15:29:14 <andrew12> 0987654321.
743 2011-01-24 15:29:36 <ArtForz> gesundheit.
744 2011-01-24 15:29:39 <gavinandresen> andrew12:  I think you're off-by-one there.
745 2011-01-24 15:30:42 <ArtForz> hrrrm, I'll have to check the amd64 docs if CPUID only clobbers eXx or also the high bits in 64 bit mode
746 2011-01-24 15:31:07 <ArtForz> if it's only the lower 32 bits a push/pop ebx should be fine
747 2011-01-24 15:33:52 <ArtForz> docs say lower 32 bits only
748 2011-01-24 15:35:35 <gavinandresen> Yeah, but is it worth adding a workaround for a gcc bug for a feature that really isn't worthwhile any more?
749 2011-01-24 15:36:32 <ArtForz> hrrm... if we're dropping sse support, can we get rid of cryptopp altogether?
750 2011-01-24 15:37:01 <gavinandresen> Smaller is better, in my humble opinion.
751 2011-01-24 15:38:17 <lfm> drop all mining in server
752 2011-01-24 15:38:28 <ArtForz> because carrying parts of cryptopp with hacked up config headers around feels very hackish
753 2011-01-24 15:39:34 <andrew12> 1234567890?
754 2011-01-24 15:39:39 <fabianhjr> Kiba: How are you?
755 2011-01-24 15:39:52 <molecular> what's the p2p bootstrapping channel?
756 2011-01-24 15:40:06 <nanotube> UukGoblin: maybe try http://www.marketcetera.com/site/
757 2011-01-24 15:40:41 <ArtForz> doesnt look like replacing cryptopp with plain ole openssl sha256 should be a big problem
758 2011-01-24 15:40:42 <andrew12> molecular: for bitcoin?
759 2011-01-24 15:41:01 <molecular> yeah
760 2011-01-24 15:41:25 <andrew12> irc.lfnet.org iirc #bitcoin
761 2011-01-24 15:41:33 <andrew12> ya
762 2011-01-24 15:41:36 <molecular> thanks
763 2011-01-24 15:42:35 <ArtForz> dunno, I'd kinda like keeping a miner in mainline as a reference
764 2011-01-24 15:43:13 <gavinandresen> I think a c++ miner in mainline is a good idea, if only to make it easy to generate coins on -testnet
765 2011-01-24 15:43:54 <gavinandresen> I predict a huge uproar if Generate Coins disappeared from the GUI....
766 2011-01-24 15:44:34 <ArtForz> yep
767 2011-01-24 15:44:35 <lfm> ya i spoze the mswin side would be upset mainly
768 2011-01-24 15:45:20 <ArtForz> err... why?
769 2011-01-24 15:45:27 <lfm> be bad enuf if their khash/s drops
770 2011-01-24 15:45:32 <ArtForz> does cpuminer not work on windows?
771 2011-01-24 15:46:57 <ArtForz> but yeah, I guess making the user jump through hoops just to keep their CPU hashrate will be pretty unpopular
772 2011-01-24 15:47:44 <lfm> there is a windows version of cpuminer but I never needed it
773 2011-01-24 15:48:01 <sipa> many people are attracted to bitcoin initially by the idea that they can generate money themselves... soon realizing how damn slow/impossible that is currently, and leaving
774 2011-01-24 15:48:06 <sipa> i think
775 2011-01-24 15:48:23 <lfm> sipa yup
776 2011-01-24 15:48:28 <sipa> maybe if the option didn't exist in the gui client, they wouldn't waste time trying
777 2011-01-24 15:48:51 <sipa> but that could as well be accompished by showing a warning message
778 2011-01-24 15:48:58 <sipa> if they enable it
779 2011-01-24 15:49:00 <nanotube> how about, rename the option from 'generate coins' to 'enable block hashing'
780 2011-01-24 15:49:18 <nanotube> a lot less 'bait and switch'-y
781 2011-01-24 15:50:09 <ArtForz> ;;bc,calc 175000
782 2011-01-24 15:50:12 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 175000 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 5 days, 5 hours, 41 minutes, and 49 seconds
783 2011-01-24 15:50:54 <nanotube> or maybe, 'contribute cpu power' :)
784 2011-01-24 15:51:05 <nanotube> or at any rate, something less "zomg i'm going to be rich'
785 2011-01-24 15:51:28 <ArtForz> looks like about 1btc/day with a modern hexcore
786 2011-01-24 15:51:35 <sipa> "Enable wasting CPU power for microscopic chance of gaining money"
787 2011-01-24 15:51:49 <lfm> i dont think you can really avoid that misconception that way
788 2011-01-24 15:52:11 <ArtForz> a HD5770 is about 10x that
789 2011-01-24 15:52:53 <ArtForz> using about as much power as a high-end desktop CPU
790 2011-01-24 15:53:12 <nanotube> ArtForz: what cpu gives you 175mhps?
791 2011-01-24 15:53:27 <ArtForz> 175Mhps is a HD5770
792 2011-01-24 15:53:27 <fabianhjr> ArtForz: you better upgrade to the 6xxx series though, They are way more energy efficient.
793 2011-01-24 15:53:30 <nanotube> ah
794 2011-01-24 15:53:32 <lfm> nanotube thats ocd 5770
795 2011-01-24 15:53:36 <ArtForz> errr... not really
796 2011-01-24 15:53:42 <ArtForz> actually thats stock 5770
797 2011-01-24 15:53:42 <nanotube> so 17mhps for a cpu sounds more likely. :)
798 2011-01-24 15:54:02 <ArtForz> and my hexcore phenom is pretty exactly 1/10 that
799 2011-01-24 15:54:05 <ArtForz> *phenomII
800 2011-01-24 15:54:05 <lfm> ok maybe your miner
801 2011-01-24 15:54:08 <Teppy1> Is it feasible to change the bundle size and rate in a future ("3 versions from now") release? So, 0.5 BTC bundles at 100x the current rate?
802 2011-01-24 15:54:12 <fabianhjr> nanotube: my i7 930 oced at 3.5 Ghz only reached about 14 mhashes/sec xD
803 2011-01-24 15:54:22 <ArtForz> 4.1GHz
804 2011-01-24 15:54:30 <sipa> Teppy1: not very feasible
805 2011-01-24 15:54:46 <ArtForz> and yes, thats with aircooling
806 2011-01-24 15:54:57 <nanotube> Teppy1: would increase block collisions.
807 2011-01-24 15:55:13 <fabianhjr> Teppy1: it could cause some issues and the blockchain would grow rapidly.
808 2011-01-24 15:55:13 <sipa> Teppy1: the average of 10 minutes between generation may be decreased a bit possible, but certainly not too much
809 2011-01-24 15:55:18 <ArtForz> yep, would increase collisions a lot
810 2011-01-24 15:55:48 <Teppy1> Is block order critical?
811 2011-01-24 15:55:49 <fabianhjr> Wait, how is a collision feasible on a 2**256 scenario? xD
812 2011-01-24 15:56:02 <nanotube> Teppy1: yes, it's called a block /chain/ for a reason. :)
813 2011-01-24 15:56:06 <sipa> Teppy1: it's what everything is based on :)
814 2011-01-24 15:56:07 <ArtForz> not 2**256, just 2 blocks < target "nearly" at the same time
815 2011-01-24 15:56:14 <lfm> fabianhjr not that sort of collison
816 2011-01-24 15:56:26 <ArtForz> and yes, that DOES happen
817 2011-01-24 15:56:27 <fabianhjr> ArtForz: oh, you mean a race condition?
818 2011-01-24 15:56:35 <ArtForz> yeah, kinda
819 2011-01-24 15:56:40 <sipa> fabianhjr: the collision here being two blocks generated at approximately the same time, causing a temporary split of the block chain
820 2011-01-24 15:56:45 <ArtForz> yep
821 2011-01-24 15:56:49 <fabianhjr> I hate those. Already lost a chance because of it. xD
822 2011-01-24 15:56:59 <nanotube> Teppy1: but even besides that, it would also increase the block chain rate of growth by 100...
823 2011-01-24 15:57:18 <ArtForz> well, reducing avg time/block increases likelyhood of block races
824 2011-01-24 15:57:40 <nanotube> so in the past two years, we grew the block chain to about 70mb. if it was 100 times more frequent per block... we'd be up to 7gb
825 2011-01-24 15:57:53 <nanotube> (just ballpark)
826 2011-01-24 15:58:18 <ArtForz> yep
827 2011-01-24 15:58:22 <Teppy1> The tiger tree will eventually make it grow less than linearly, correct?
828 2011-01-24 15:58:51 <lfm> teppy1 ya, could even shrink
829 2011-01-24 15:58:57 <nanotube> what's a tiger tree?
830 2011-01-24 15:59:02 <ArtForz> merkle tree
831 2011-01-24 15:59:02 <sipa> merkle tree
832 2011-01-24 15:59:14 <lfm> same thing
833 2011-01-24 15:59:29 <nanotube> so you mean, the pruning of spent tx?
834 2011-01-24 15:59:33 <ArtForz> yep
835 2011-01-24 15:59:34 <nanotube> ah
836 2011-01-24 15:59:40 <Teppy1> I suspect that the value of Bitcoins tends to scale with the number of people interested in Bitcoins...
837 2011-01-24 16:00:12 <nanotube> Teppy1: heh i'd agree with that. more specifically, with number of people wanting to get in on the action by buying btc. :)
838 2011-01-24 16:00:34 <davout> Teppy1: yea just like the value of the last beer increases exponentially with additional guests
839 2011-01-24 16:00:44 <Teppy1> And if not being able to generate coins is turning people away, then that is probably the #1 barrier to growth.
840 2011-01-24 16:01:15 <ArtForz> but you already pretty much can't generate with client miner
841 2011-01-24 16:01:16 <sipa> people shouldn't be interested in it because of generating coins
842 2011-01-24 16:01:26 <sipa> although i admit it's nice
843 2011-01-24 16:01:32 <nanotube> Teppy1: there's pooled mining for that.
844 2011-01-24 16:01:34 <Kiba> sipa: but the largest thread IS about mining
845 2011-01-24 16:01:38 <ArtForz> ;;bc,calc 17500
846 2011-01-24 16:01:38 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 17500 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 7 weeks, 3 days, 8 hours, 58 minutes, and 10 seconds
847 2011-01-24 16:01:44 <lfm> cant solve it by making more free moeny. anyway thay can pool if they want more frequent smaller rewards
848 2011-01-24 16:01:59 <ArtForz> and for pooled mining you need cpuminer anyways
849 2011-01-24 16:02:00 <Teppy1> Yes, but that's a huge PITA, right? Pooled mining is not part of the standard download.
850 2011-01-24 16:02:08 <ArtForz> yep
851 2011-01-24 16:02:10 <nanotube> Teppy1: correct
852 2011-01-24 16:02:15 <nanotube> speaking of which
853 2011-01-24 16:02:29 <nanotube> maybe... we can allow stock bitcoin to act as a pool client?
854 2011-01-24 16:02:44 <Teppy1> Is pool client tamper-resistant?
855 2011-01-24 16:02:45 <Kiba> can anybody give me a job?
856 2011-01-24 16:02:49 <sipa> if the GUI could be set up to communicate with a remote bitcoind/rpcjson as well...
857 2011-01-24 16:02:52 <nanotube> "enable pooled mining" box... and some config to allow setting the server and user/pass ?
858 2011-01-24 16:03:10 <lfm> teppy1 for pools you need to trust pool admin
859 2011-01-24 16:03:13 <nanotube> Teppy1: it is tamper-resistant from the client side - but requires trust in the pool operator.
860 2011-01-24 16:03:36 <ArtForz> well, we'd have to agree on a pool mining protocol first
861 2011-01-24 16:03:45 <Kiba> the labor market is pitifully small :(
862 2011-01-24 16:03:45 <nanotube> Teppy1: pool op can't steal a lot, cuz people would notice, but he could skim off a bit. :)
863 2011-01-24 16:03:46 <slush> nanotube: I proposed to allow remote mining in official client already, but I don't know C to make this myself
864 2011-01-24 16:03:49 <Teppy1> But the pool operator doesn't need to trust the clients?
865 2011-01-24 16:04:07 <sipa> a bit
866 2011-01-24 16:04:12 <Teppy1> IOW, I can't claim to have done work?
867 2011-01-24 16:04:17 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Pooled_mining | Dec 30, 2010 ... Pooled mining is an approach where multiple generating clients contribute to the generation of a block, and then split the block reward ...
868 2011-01-24 16:04:17 <nanotube> Teppy1: not really. see the ,,(bc,wiki pooled mining) page
869 2011-01-24 16:04:38 <sipa> Teppy1: no you can't, but you can withhold good results, vandalizing the system (a little bit)
870 2011-01-24 16:04:56 <nanotube> ArtForz: well, yes that's true. maybe once the push-based getwork is out? :)
871 2011-01-24 16:05:45 <slush> sipa: Agree that mining should be smaller part of project than it is now. Unfortunatley, too people see mining as easy money. But new services and new possibilities to spend bitcoins will make bitcoin much more valuable
872 2011-01-24 16:06:08 <Kiba> joooooooooooooooooooooooobs
873 2011-01-24 16:06:25 <slush> Kiba: can you program in C?
874 2011-01-24 16:06:32 <Teppy1> That page is a good explanation, thanks.
875 2011-01-24 16:06:49 <Kiba> slush: I am a programmer..so of course I can program in C
876 2011-01-24 16:06:54 <Kiba> even if I need to learn it
877 2011-01-24 16:07:22 <Kiba> but don't expect me to do super tricks
878 2011-01-24 16:07:31 <slush> Kiba: how much for patch of bitcoin client to allow remote mining? Users should just fill URL and user/password in settings...
879 2011-01-24 16:07:46 <Kiba> I don't know how hard that is
880 2011-01-24 16:07:50 <Teppy1> If pooled mining were common, the block chain would increase as quickly as a higher-granularity approach, right?
881 2011-01-24 16:08:04 <Kiba> slush: 500 BTC then
882 2011-01-24 16:08:12 <lfm> i wouldnt recomend trying to modify bitcoin/bitcoind if you just learning C
883 2011-01-24 16:08:23 <bd_> Teppy1: The difficulty is periodically adjusted so that there's on average one block every 10 minutes
884 2011-01-24 16:09:02 <slush> Kiba: including succesfull commit to client sources?
885 2011-01-24 16:09:03 <nanotube> Teppy1: nope. mining pools still produce blocks at current difficulty. they just distribute the proceeds of each block among multiple contributors.
886 2011-01-24 16:09:10 <nanotube> Teppy1: and, thanks, i wrote it. :)
887 2011-01-24 16:09:16 <slush> Kiba: *official client
888 2011-01-24 16:09:18 <Kiba> slush: I will fork the project, write my own change..and then ask for a pull request
889 2011-01-24 16:09:20 <Teppy1> Yes, I understand the problems with higher granularity - there's the race condition problem and the block chain size problem.
890 2011-01-24 16:09:43 <Kiba> slush: how about 700 BTC?
891 2011-01-24 16:10:20 <slush> Kiba: well, I'll think about it. But I think it is too much as it is charity from me :)
892 2011-01-24 16:10:28 <Teppy1> But I'm thinking about just the block chain size problem right now...
893 2011-01-24 16:10:30 <slush> (I don't need that and I'll have no income from this :)
894 2011-01-24 16:10:31 <Kiba> charity? you're paying for work
895 2011-01-24 16:10:31 <nanotube> Kiba: start a bounty. :)
896 2011-01-24 16:10:45 <nanotube> Teppy1: pools do not affect block chain size.