1 2011-01-27 00:38:25 <andrew12^mac> made a git repo for the ruby client. https://github.com/andrew12/ruby-bitcoin -- i'm going to need some help with the serialization/deserialization though
  2 2011-01-27 00:42:03 <dirtyfilthy> hmmm...
  3 2011-01-27 00:42:05 <dirtyfilthy> hang on dude
  4 2011-01-27 00:42:42 <andrew12^mac> i have ArtForz's half-node but that's python, and python does things differently
  5 2011-01-27 00:44:36 <doublec> what's a half-node?
  6 2011-01-27 00:46:52 <andrew12^mac> doublec: a node that's not really a complete node
  7 2011-01-27 00:47:02 <noagendamarket> wheres the best tutorial for installing bitcoin on ubuntu ?
  8 2011-01-27 00:47:08 <andrew12^mac> it doesn't just download blocks
  9 2011-01-27 00:47:09 <doublec> andrew12: how much of a node does it do?
 10 2011-01-27 00:47:12 <andrew12^mac> noagendamarket: in the readme :P
 11 2011-01-27 00:47:17 <noagendamarket> lol
 12 2011-01-27 00:47:30 <andrew12^mac> build-unix.txt
 13 2011-01-27 00:47:55 <doublec> noagendamarket: building bitcoind is easy, building bitcoin with gui is a bit trickier due to needing a newer version of wxWindows.
 14 2011-01-27 00:48:42 <noagendamarket> hmm
 15 2011-01-27 00:48:56 <andrew12^mac> doublec: it can recieve commands like transactions and blocks and stuff so you can make a simple little irc bot or something (its in use in #bitcoin-monitor
 16 2011-01-27 00:49:00 <andrew12^mac> )
 17 2011-01-27 00:49:13 <doublec> andrew12: nifty. Is the source available?
 18 2011-01-27 00:49:38 <andrew12^mac> yes its in a pastebin somewhere
 19 2011-01-27 00:49:42 <dirtyfilthy> andrew12^mac: https://github.com/dirtyfilthy/bitcoin-wallet
 20 2011-01-27 00:49:51 <dirtyfilthy> this is unfinished, untested
 21 2011-01-27 00:49:54 <dirtyfilthy> might help you
 22 2011-01-27 00:50:17 <andrew12^mac> doublec: http://pastebin.com/rMjWHnNA
 23 2011-01-27 00:50:28 <dirtyfilthy> it's in java but might me clearer
 24 2011-01-27 00:50:33 <dirtyfilthy> at least some of it works heh
 25 2011-01-27 00:50:49 <doublec> andrew12: thanks!
 26 2011-01-27 00:50:58 <andrew12^mac> dirtyfilthy: thanks
 27 2011-01-27 00:51:02 <andrew12^mac> doublec: you're welcome
 28 2011-01-27 00:51:36 <andrew12^mac> hmmm
 29 2011-01-27 00:51:52 <andrew12^mac> if i can figure out how to 'reversebytes' then i think i can do it
 30 2011-01-27 00:52:49 <noagendamarket> ooh look at that im downloading blocks lol
 31 2011-01-27 00:54:31 <andrew12^mac> hm
 32 2011-01-27 00:54:50 <andrew12^mac> a short is 2 bytes right?
 33 2011-01-27 00:55:08 <doublec> I wonder who's node that is in the python code
 34 2011-01-27 00:55:10 <andrew12^mac> and 10000000 in little-endian is 0x8096?
 35 2011-01-27 00:55:27 <andrew12^mac> doublec: ArtForz's
 36 2011-01-27 00:56:57 <doublec> what's the 18333 port and different version check because of that port? Is it the testnet?
 37 2011-01-27 00:57:13 <andrew12^mac> doublec: where?
 38 2011-01-27 00:57:23 <doublec> andrew12: in NodeConn.__init__
 39 2011-01-27 00:57:24 <andrew12^mac> errr... that's mine
 40 2011-01-27 00:57:28 <andrew12^mac> gave you the wrong one
 41 2011-01-27 00:57:37 <andrew12^mac> i couldnt get it to work w/ testnet
 42 2011-01-27 00:57:58 <andrew12^mac> this
 43 2011-01-27 00:58:22 <doublec> thanks
 44 2011-01-27 00:59:36 <citiz3n> is anyone around who could answer some basic questions about the client on windows?
 45 2011-01-27 00:59:51 <andrew12^mac> citiz3n: there's lots of people here ;)
 46 2011-01-27 01:00:24 <citiz3n> here goes then: im an old time (and i mean OLD time) distributed computing guy
 47 2011-01-27 01:01:13 <citiz3n> but im trying to figure out the windows client, and having some issues: starting it automatically in generate mode, running it as a service, running the daemon
 48 2011-01-27 01:01:48 <citiz3n> i have a lot of office computers that employees use.  I would love to run the client on them and let it generate all day and night, but I'd prefer not to have any GUI clickable
 49 2011-01-27 01:02:04 <andrew12^mac> you should probably run a pool for that
 50 2011-01-27 01:02:33 <andrew12^mac> also are you sure you can do that? :P
 51 2011-01-27 01:02:35 <citiz3n> im guessing that's where the clients all dump work into one location, so if any bitcoins are generated they would wind up in one place
 52 2011-01-27 01:02:43 <citiz3n> yeah, they are my computers :)
 53 2011-01-27 01:02:46 <andrew12^mac> yup
 54 2011-01-27 01:03:14 <citiz3n> i could run the server on the windows 2008 fileserver
 55 2011-01-27 01:03:25 <citiz3n> would i run bitcoin.exe in -server mode
 56 2011-01-27 01:03:32 <citiz3n> or the daemon?  what is the difference?
 57 2011-01-27 01:03:50 <andrew12^mac> citiz3n: you need both
 58 2011-01-27 01:03:51 <citiz3n> normally when I think of daemon, I think of a service that doesn't have a GUI, which would be perfect for the individual crunching boxes.
 59 2011-01-27 01:03:55 <andrew12^mac> -server -daemon
 60 2011-01-27 01:04:15 <andrew12^mac> and check out http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1458.0
 61 2011-01-27 01:04:23 <citiz3n> why does the windows distro come with a daemon sub-folder and bitcoind.exe?
 62 2011-01-27 01:04:34 <citiz3n> reading it now, thanks
 63 2011-01-27 01:04:38 <andrew12^mac> citiz3n: what's in the daemon folder?
 64 2011-01-27 01:04:43 <doublec> citiz3n: bitcoind.exe is what you want
 65 2011-01-27 01:04:45 <andrew12^mac> oh
 66 2011-01-27 01:04:47 <andrew12^mac> yeah
 67 2011-01-27 01:04:49 <doublec> citiz3n: it runs without a gui
 68 2011-01-27 01:05:04 <doublec> citiz3n: and you can send commands to the running daemon but running bitcoind with arguments like: bitcoind help
 69 2011-01-27 01:05:28 <citiz3n> i get a dll error when trying to run it on the box im on right now.  perhaps i needed to tell it what server to connect to?
 70 2011-01-27 01:05:38 <doublec> citiz3n: if your computers are standard PC's though you won't generate coins for many months
 71 2011-01-27 01:05:43 <andrew12^mac> that wouldn't cause a dll error.
 72 2011-01-27 01:05:48 <doublec> what is the error?
 73 2011-01-27 01:06:13 <andrew12^mac> citiz3n: you can actually have the clients connect directly to the server's rpc
 74 2011-01-27 01:06:36 <citiz3n> The application failed to start because mingwm10.dll was not found
 75 2011-01-27 01:06:43 <citiz3n> re-installing the application may fix this problem
 76 2011-01-27 01:06:59 <doublec> is there a mingwm10.dll in the same directory as bitcoind.exe?
 77 2011-01-27 01:07:16 <citiz3n> there is nothing in the daemon directory with bitcoind.exe
 78 2011-01-27 01:07:20 <citiz3n> it is by itself
 79 2011-01-27 01:07:42 <doublec> is there a mingwm10.dll in any directory
 80 2011-01-27 01:08:04 <citiz3n> i tried running from command prompt as well with no luck.  i am searching for that file right now, but it's not looking good.  it's not in system32
 81 2011-01-27 01:08:19 <doublec> it should be in the .zip file containing bitcoind.exe
 82 2011-01-27 01:08:34 <citiz3n> i downloaded the .exe, but i will try the zip
 83 2011-01-27 01:08:48 <doublec> ah, right. I've only used the zip.
 84 2011-01-27 01:09:27 <citiz3n> so, the idea would be to run either bitcoin.exe OR bitcoind.exe with the -server argument
 85 2011-01-27 01:09:54 <citiz3n> and then, if i desire to run the client as a service with no GUI, etc, I would want to definitely use the daemon executable on each PC
 86 2011-01-27 01:09:59 <andrew12^mac> if you want the daemon then you need -daemon too
 87 2011-01-27 01:10:07 <andrew12^mac> citiz3n: you'd not want that
 88 2011-01-27 01:10:18 <andrew12^mac> citiz3n: you'd want to run a remote miner on each pc
 89 2011-01-27 01:10:22 <doublec> bitcoind is the same as 'bitcoin.exe -server -daemon'
 90 2011-01-27 01:10:41 <andrew12^mac> doublec is right
 91 2011-01-27 01:10:58 <doublec> citiz3n: if you just want to mine and you don't have many PC's I suggest using a mining pool
 92 2011-01-27 01:11:04 <doublec> citiz3n: and one of the mining clients
 93 2011-01-27 01:11:18 <doublec> citiz3n: much easier to set up and you'll get a few cents within a couple of hours
 94 2011-01-27 01:11:20 <citiz3n> there are about 10 PCs at one location
 95 2011-01-27 01:11:23 <doublec> citiz3n: vs waiting for months
 96 2011-01-27 01:11:32 <citiz3n> and 5 at another location, and i don't necessarily need them to all dump into 1 location
 97 2011-01-27 01:11:46 <citiz3n> i don't mind if each physical location is separate
 98 2011-01-27 01:12:06 <andrew12^mac> citiz3n: then run bitcoind on each of them, yes
 99 2011-01-27 01:12:18 <doublec> citiz3n: if they are dual core pc's doing approximately 2,000 Khash/s then you'll only get coins on average every 45 days.
100 2011-01-27 01:12:36 <citiz3n> and when you get coins you get 50 at a time?
101 2011-01-27 01:12:40 <doublec> yes
102 2011-01-27 01:12:42 <citiz3n> im totally new to this (as you must see)
103 2011-01-27 01:13:01 <citiz3n> the miner - does this require a GPU?
104 2011-01-27 01:13:01 <doublec> each PC mining alone (assuming 2,000 khash/s) will take 458 days on average
105 2011-01-27 01:13:08 <andrew12^mac> no
106 2011-01-27 01:13:11 <doublec> no, these calculations assume CPU
107 2011-01-27 01:13:33 <citiz3n> do they impact the computer's performance at all, or can this all stay at idle priority?
108 2011-01-27 01:13:59 <citiz3n> memory isn't an issue, although im sure these calculations use very limited memory.  I just don't want the computers lagging since they are indeed office computers used on a daily basis
109 2011-01-27 01:14:01 <andrew12^mac> of course they do
110 2011-01-27 01:14:10 <citiz3n> hehe i thought so
111 2011-01-27 01:14:37 <andrew12^mac> which is why i rarely have a miner running
112 2011-01-27 01:14:48 <citiz3n> i could mine at night perhaps
113 2011-01-27 01:15:46 <citiz3n> but to start simply, just for fun, i can use bitcoin.exe with the daemon switch on each computer
114 2011-01-27 01:16:10 <doublec> citiz3n: they use 100% cpu
115 2011-01-27 01:17:12 <citiz3n> the standard client it seems to run at idle priority and not interfere with the computer though, so i should be alright
116 2011-01-27 01:17:49 <citiz3n> not unlike SETI, RC5, etc etc
117 2011-01-27 01:18:24 <Diablo-D3> citiz3n: there are gpu miners for bitcoin
118 2011-01-27 01:19:03 <andrew12^mac> you need a gpu though..
119 2011-01-27 01:20:05 <citiz3n> i could slap some GPUs in there in the future.  but i don't feel like spending money on this just yet lol.
120 2011-01-27 01:20:16 <citiz3n> but i would love to have the client running 24/7 on these dual core computers
121 2011-01-27 01:20:32 <citiz3n> at least it's something
122 2011-01-27 01:20:35 <andrew12^mac> i get 500kh/s/core on my mac
123 2011-01-27 01:20:38 <andrew12^mac> dual core
124 2011-01-27 01:20:46 <andrew12^mac> intel core 2 duo and stuff
125 2011-01-27 01:20:58 <citiz3n> whoa
126 2011-01-27 01:21:04 <citiz3n> that's just from the CPU?
127 2011-01-27 01:21:11 <andrew12^mac> 500 isn't a lot
128 2011-01-27 01:21:17 <citiz3n> or that's the GPU
129 2011-01-27 01:21:21 <andrew12^mac> that's cpu
130 2011-01-27 01:21:24 <andrew12^mac> 500 is not a lot.
131 2011-01-27 01:21:46 <citiz3n> oh wait...
132 2011-01-27 01:21:58 <andrew12^mac> a gpu miner will get like 50Mh/s if not more
133 2011-01-27 01:22:29 <citiz3n> yeah i was thinking 500 Mh/s
134 2011-01-27 01:22:55 <citiz3n> my i7 laptop gives me around 2,400 kh/s
135 2011-01-27 01:23:02 <andrew12^mac> :(
136 2011-01-27 01:23:06 <citiz3n> hehe
137 2011-01-27 01:23:11 <andrew12^mac> have you generated any blocks yet? :P
138 2011-01-27 01:23:34 <citiz3n> lol naw - wouldn't expect to in the first 24 hours - though that would be nice >:}
139 2011-01-27 01:23:49 <andrew12^mac> it probably won't be in the first _year_
140 2011-01-27 01:23:56 <andrew12^mac> ;;bc,calc 2400
141 2011-01-27 01:23:58 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 2400 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 1 year, 2 weeks, 2 days, 21 hours, 24 minutes, and 9 seconds
142 2011-01-27 01:24:07 <citiz3n> this thing does have a geforce 280M or whatever in it
143 2011-01-27 01:24:15 <citiz3n> but since it's a laptop...
144 2011-01-27 01:24:24 <andrew12^mac> nvidia isnt that good for mining
145 2011-01-27 01:24:24 <citiz3n> i don't think id really like to heat it up that much
146 2011-01-27 01:24:45 <andrew12^mac> get an ati 6750 or whatever the hell everyone is using now
147 2011-01-27 01:24:55 <citiz3n> it's a shame that GPUs outweigh CPUs so much in this
148 2011-01-27 01:25:01 <andrew12^mac> 5970? i dunno
149 2011-01-27 01:25:17 <andrew12^mac> citiz3n: GPUs outweigh CPUs everywhere ;)
150 2011-01-27 01:25:26 <andrew12^mac> well
151 2011-01-27 01:25:38 <citiz3n> i will admit i have been out of distributed computing for a few years
152 2011-01-27 01:25:43 <andrew12^mac> yeahh. :p
153 2011-01-27 01:25:46 <citiz3n> but back in the day, it certainly wasn't the case
154 2011-01-27 01:26:04 <citiz3n> depending on what kinda work you're doing - some programs used a lot of memory, some a little
155 2011-01-27 01:26:24 <citiz3n> but it all came down to CPU, and I think I stopped doing it just when GPUs were starting to be used
156 2011-01-27 01:26:42 <citiz3n> so i never took them seriously...but now I get into this and I'm just blown away :O
157 2011-01-27 01:27:15 <andrew12^mac> hehe
158 2011-01-27 01:28:09 <citiz3n> i put some BD-R discs on the forum for sale
159 2011-01-27 01:28:17 <citiz3n> no one seems to be interested yet tho :(
160 2011-01-27 01:28:25 <andrew12^mac> i highly doubt anyone has a burner
161 2011-01-27 01:28:26 <luke-jr> ;;bc,stats
162 2011-01-27 01:28:28 <gribble> Current Blocks: 104785 | Current Difficulty: 18437.64439217 | Next Difficulty At Block: 104831 | Next Difficulty In: 46 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 hours, 25 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 21931.33858267
163 2011-01-27 01:28:43 <citiz3n> the burners aren't that expensive really
164 2011-01-27 01:28:51 <andrew12^mac> then sell one ;)
165 2011-01-27 01:28:53 <luke-jr> I have a BD-R burner, but I boycott BD
166 2011-01-27 01:29:10 <citiz3n> boycotting optical media?
167 2011-01-27 01:29:16 <citiz3n> are you george lucas?
168 2011-01-27 01:29:21 <noagendamarket> heh
169 2011-01-27 01:29:36 <luke-jr> citiz3n: not optical media, just BD ;)
170 2011-01-27 01:29:41 <luke-jr> DVDs work fine
171 2011-01-27 01:30:00 <citiz3n> if you like changing them all day and waiting for your rar's to split a million files :O
172 2011-01-27 01:30:11 <citiz3n> i just backed up my music collection
173 2011-01-27 01:30:16 <citiz3n> i couldn't imagine doing that on DVDR
174 2011-01-27 01:30:25 <luke-jr> http://bluraysucks.com/
175 2011-01-27 01:30:27 <citiz3n> it was bad enough with BD-R
176 2011-01-27 01:30:49 <luke-jr> my newest desktop doesn't even have a DVD drive actually. I never use it
177 2011-01-27 01:31:08 <andrew12^mac> er
178 2011-01-27 01:31:11 <andrew12^mac> wasnt HDCP cracked?
179 2011-01-27 01:31:20 <Kiba> cd drives and dvd drives will get eliminated in favor of usb drives!
180 2011-01-27 01:31:25 <luke-jr> andrew12^mac: HDCP was. So they replaced it for BD.
181 2011-01-27 01:31:31 <andrew12^mac> oh.
182 2011-01-27 01:31:53 <andrew12^mac> heh
183 2011-01-27 01:31:53 <citiz3n> my downloads seem to work OK ;)
184 2011-01-27 01:31:55 <andrew12^mac> Recording Industry Ass. of America
185 2011-01-27 01:32:43 <citiz3n> i own LOTR on Bluray, for example, but I had relatives visiting from Russia who don't speak English
186 2011-01-27 01:32:58 <citiz3n> do i downloaded it in russian and played just fine in high def and everything
187 2011-01-27 01:33:05 <citiz3n> DTS, everything
188 2011-01-27 01:33:56 <andrew12^mac> I think it's sad that people need framerates over 30fps
189 2011-01-27 01:34:07 <andrew12^mac> for movies/tv
190 2011-01-27 01:34:08 <doublec> I did some work on LOTR. I am of course offended by your theft of the russian version. You wouldn't steal my car would you?
191 2011-01-27 01:34:19 <andrew12^mac> YOU WOULDN'T STEAL A CAR
192 2011-01-27 01:34:23 <andrew12^mac> YOU WOULDN'T STEAL A HANDBAG
193 2011-01-27 01:34:25 <noagendamarket> http://lmptfy.com/?q=lotr
194 2011-01-27 01:34:28 <noagendamarket> hehe
195 2011-01-27 01:34:30 <andrew12^mac> YOU WOULDN'T STEAL A DVD
196 2011-01-27 01:34:37 <citiz3n> hahaha
197 2011-01-27 01:34:51 <doublec> YOUR THEFT FUNDED TERRORISM
198 2011-01-27 01:34:56 <citiz3n> id steal candy from a baby
199 2011-01-27 01:35:16 <andrew12^mac> YOU TORRENTED THAT GAME? YOU JUST GAME AL QAEDAH $50
200 2011-01-27 01:35:19 <noagendamarket> you wouldnt download a baby ?
201 2011-01-27 01:35:20 <citiz3n> no, i think my purchase of hollywood blurays funded terrorism
202 2011-01-27 01:35:31 <doublec> hahaha, probably true
203 2011-01-27 01:35:49 <andrew12^mac> terrorism in the form of format wars
204 2011-01-27 01:35:52 <citiz3n> hollywood pays the government, the government funds terrorism
205 2011-01-27 01:35:56 <citiz3n> so yes
206 2011-01-27 01:36:08 <citiz3n> sigh, i need to stop buying movies
207 2011-01-27 01:36:20 <noagendamarket> did you see they appointed a former riaa lawyer as solicitor general ?
208 2011-01-27 01:36:28 <Kiba> don't "pirate" people stuff
209 2011-01-27 01:36:35 <Kiba> support copyfree writers like me!
210 2011-01-27 01:36:49 <citiz3n> ack
211 2011-01-27 01:36:54 <noagendamarket> pirates of the Kibabean
212 2011-01-27 01:37:02 <Kiba> noagendamarket: good.
213 2011-01-27 01:37:06 <Kiba> it means more business for me
214 2011-01-27 01:37:10 <Kiba> and less business for the RIAA
215 2011-01-27 01:37:16 <Kiba> they can fuck themsleves if they wish
216 2011-01-27 01:37:27 <Kiba> the only winners are the lawyers
217 2011-01-27 01:37:34 <Kiba> and me of course
218 2011-01-27 01:38:30 <citiz3n> so when are the two biggest markets ever coming to bitcoin? pr0n and w4r3z
219 2011-01-27 01:38:34 <Kiba> the nice thing about reality is that it sometime works in our favor
220 2011-01-27 01:38:42 <andrew12^mac> citiz3n: there's already porn lol
221 2011-01-27 01:38:45 <doublec> there's pr0n markets already
222 2011-01-27 01:38:47 <citiz3n> bitporn, really?
223 2011-01-27 01:38:55 <andrew12^mac> http://bitcoin.org/trade
224 2011-01-27 01:39:07 <Kiba> The MadHatter is responsible for much of the p0rn provision
225 2011-01-27 01:39:12 <andrew12^mac> very bottom of the page
226 2011-01-27 01:39:17 <andrew12^mac> Kiba: oh goody
227 2011-01-27 01:39:17 <citiz3n> ohhhh lol
228 2011-01-27 01:39:20 <Kiba> you can thanks MadHatter for his valuable service to the economy
229 2011-01-27 01:39:25 <citiz3n> i didn't see it hiding down there before
230 2011-01-27 01:39:37 <citiz3n> holy cow, what will they think of next
231 2011-01-27 01:39:52 <andrew12^mac> citiz3n: http://dicks.heroku.com
232 2011-01-27 01:40:01 <andrew12^mac> open source ascii dicks
233 2011-01-27 01:40:21 <citiz3n> that's a terrible ascii dick
234 2011-01-27 01:40:23 <Kiba> I am a bit worn out though
235 2011-01-27 01:40:33 <citiz3n> (_)_)::::::D
236 2011-01-27 01:40:34 <andrew12^mac> citiz3n: lol
237 2011-01-27 01:40:38 <andrew12^mac> nooo
238 2011-01-27 01:40:42 <andrew12^mac> it's 8===============D
239 2011-01-27 01:41:04 <citiz3n> maybe for you O_o
240 2011-01-27 01:41:15 <andrew12^mac> wat
241 2011-01-27 01:41:28 <citiz3n> so, since nobody wants to buy my BD-Rs
242 2011-01-27 01:41:33 <citiz3n> that i put up there for a killer price
243 2011-01-27 01:41:40 <andrew12^mac> I don't have a BD-R reader/burner.
244 2011-01-27 01:41:42 <citiz3n> what's the next best way to buy some coin
245 2011-01-27 01:41:55 <citiz3n> those coin markets seem clunky
246 2011-01-27 01:41:56 <andrew12^mac> mtgox.com
247 2011-01-27 01:42:14 <andrew12^mac> there's also #bitcoin-otd
248 2011-01-27 01:42:14 <citiz3n> i saw they charge all these paypal fees and stuff
249 2011-01-27 01:42:15 <andrew12^mac> er
250 2011-01-27 01:42:17 <andrew12^mac> there's also #bitcoin-otc
251 2011-01-27 01:42:19 <citiz3n> paypal send money feature is free
252 2011-01-27 01:42:22 <andrew12^mac> uh
253 2011-01-27 01:42:27 <andrew12^mac> paypal doesnt work with mtgox
254 2011-01-27 01:42:36 <andrew12^mac> they got their account frozen
255 2011-01-27 01:42:44 <citiz3n> chargebacks i assume
256 2011-01-27 01:42:50 <citiz3n> from jerks
257 2011-01-27 01:42:52 <andrew12^mac> yep
258 2011-01-27 01:43:08 <citiz3n> that's lousy
259 2011-01-27 01:46:00 <joe_1> i'm pushing for someone to do western union to bitcoin exchanges
260 2011-01-27 01:47:37 <doublec> joe_1: how does western union work?
261 2011-01-27 01:48:41 <joe_1> you go to the western union counter and send money to a person by providing their first and last name and the city and state they will pick it up in.
262 2011-01-27 01:49:00 <doublec> and then they send the  bitcoin?
263 2011-01-27 01:49:07 <joe_1> yeah
264 2011-01-27 01:49:30 <doublec> they have western union here in NZ too - I always wondered what it was
265 2011-01-27 01:49:48 <joe_1> but that's wu's money transfer service. western union also has money orders, which are completely anonymous like cash. You go to the counter and give money and get a money order in return. it functions like cash, you send it to the recipient who cashes it at any bank.
266 2011-01-27 01:51:20 <dirtyfilthy> doublec: oh hey, another kiwi
267 2011-01-27 01:51:40 <doublec> hi dirtyfilthy
268 2011-01-27 01:51:45 <dirtyfilthy> <-- chch
269 2011-01-27 01:51:54 <doublec> auckland here
270 2011-01-27 01:52:18 <doublec> there's an e-currency exchange operated from NZ that uses western union, but they don't support bitcoin: http://webmoney.co.nz/
271 2011-01-27 01:53:57 <dirtyfilthy> yeah the whole buying liberty reserve to buy bitcoin is really off putting
272 2011-01-27 01:57:21 <noagendamarket> what about travelex? https://travelexmoneytransfer.com.au/
273 2011-01-27 01:58:36 <doublec> are they like western union?
274 2011-01-27 01:58:42 <noagendamarket> I can send money to someones credit card for $0
275 2011-01-27 01:58:44 <noagendamarket> lol
276 2011-01-27 02:03:39 <lfm> so whats the going rate for a $30 (CDN) visa giftxard number?
277 2011-01-27 02:05:22 <doublec> lfm: 75.31btc for a $25 one apparently
278 2011-01-27 02:05:30 <doublec> https://www.bitcoin2cc.com/
279 2011-01-27 02:07:11 <Kiba> how about refillable credit cards?
280 2011-01-27 02:08:20 <doublec> I don't know anyone who does that
281 2011-01-27 02:09:06 <lfm> kiba where would you find those?
282 2011-01-27 02:09:31 <Kiba> I don't know
283 2011-01-27 02:09:35 <Kiba> I thought there might be one
284 2011-01-27 02:10:30 <lfm> there is refillable tim hortons (donut shop) cards but you gotta have the card to fill it
285 2011-01-27 02:10:41 <doublec> there's this: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2627.0
286 2011-01-27 02:11:46 <noagendamarket> hes in the US
287 2011-01-27 02:12:29 <doublec> webmoney.co.nz has a rechargable debit card. It might be worthwhile seeing if they'd support bitcoins as well as their other e-currencies.
288 2011-01-27 02:12:34 <noagendamarket> I have an idea for an exchange where people can access their payout through a DEBIT CARD
289 2011-01-27 02:13:28 <Kiba> finding jobs is rather difficult :(
290 2011-01-27 02:14:03 <lfm> they wont support btc, we have to
291 2011-01-27 02:15:35 <andrew12^mac> night guys
292 2011-01-27 02:17:38 <x6763> Kiba: i think i need to find some jobs, too...sounds like it won't be easy
293 2011-01-27 02:18:03 <Kiba> x6763: I got 4 jobs within a month
294 2011-01-27 02:18:18 <x6763> nice
295 2011-01-27 02:18:26 <Kiba> manages to find two prospect before my job run out with noagendamarket
296 2011-01-27 02:18:31 <andrew12^mac> wow
297 2011-01-27 02:18:38 <andrew12^mac> Site of AT&T-iPad hackers is hacked http://bit.ly/eAMZm9
298 2011-01-27 02:21:41 <x6763> Kiba: what kind of jobs are you getting?
299 2011-01-27 02:21:53 <Kiba> x6763: hmm, I got drawing, writing, and programming
300 2011-01-27 02:22:04 <Kiba> half of the jobs are programming
301 2011-01-27 02:22:26 <Kiba> then I got my income from advertising revenue on my own site
302 2011-01-27 02:22:34 <Kiba> income from The Bitcoin Times
303 2011-01-27 02:22:48 <Kiba> which by the way is 45 BTC I think
304 2011-01-27 02:22:57 <x6763> that's really cool
305 2011-01-27 02:23:19 <Kiba> yeah, I am making a "killing"
306 2011-01-27 02:23:26 <Kiba> but I also have problem with pipelining me enough work
307 2011-01-27 02:23:34 <x6763> yeah
308 2011-01-27 02:23:43 <Kiba> so I guess I'll use my spare cycle to do schoolworks and learn new skills
309 2011-01-27 02:24:37 <x6763> i need to try to get some programming work...i've also got some little business ideas bouncing around in my head
310 2011-01-27 02:25:43 <echelon> anyone use kalyhost.com?