1 2011-01-30 00:09:22 <luke-jr> only 10.12 works for me
  2 2011-01-30 00:09:41 <jwalck> Diablo-D3: initial results 2.6.32/SDK 2.1 and 2.3, starting poclbm on core 2 gives 3939726d, invalid or stale
  3 2011-01-30 00:26:11 <molecular> ;;bc,diff
  4 2011-01-30 00:26:12 <gribble> 22012.4941572
  5 2011-01-30 00:26:18 <gribble> Error: "bc,info" is not a valid command.
  6 2011-01-30 00:26:18 <molecular> ;;bc,info
  7 2011-01-30 00:26:23 <gribble> Alias bc,bcm, Alias bc,blocks, Alias bc,btcex, Alias bc,calc, Alias bc,calcd, Alias bc,diff, Alias bc,estimate, Alias bc,help, Alias bc,hextarget, Alias bc,labs, Alias bc,lbs, Alias bc,markets, Alias bc,mtgox, Alias bc,nexttarget, Alias bc,poolstats, Alias bc,stats, Alias bc,timetonext, Alias bc,totalbc, and Alias bc,wiki
  8 2011-01-30 00:26:23 <molecular> ;;bc,help
  9 2011-01-30 00:26:35 <molecular> ;;bc,stats
 10 2011-01-30 00:26:37 <gribble> Current Blocks: 105256 | Current Difficulty: 22012.4941572 | Next Difficulty At Block: 106847 | Next Difficulty In: 1591 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 4 hours, 23 minutes, and 43 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 23936.09701725
 11 2011-01-30 00:30:07 <jwalck> fyi 10.12 was a bit more interesting, two poclbm and both cores in use, but one is running super slow!
 12 2011-01-30 00:30:54 <Diablo-D3> jwalck: heh
 13 2011-01-30 00:31:00 <lfm> ;;bc,lbs
 14 2011-01-30 00:31:02 <gribble> Error: "curblockstats" is not a valid command.
 15 2011-01-30 00:31:06 <Diablo-D3> try using either :0 on both with -d 0 and 1
 16 2011-01-30 00:31:18 <Diablo-D3> or :0.0 and :0.1 -d 0 and -d 0
 17 2011-01-30 00:31:32 <jwalck> first one tried, second one...
 18 2011-01-30 00:31:59 <jwalck> doesnt work:(
 19 2011-01-30 00:32:36 <Diablo-D3> it should
 20 2011-01-30 00:32:42 <Diablo-D3> or maybe it shouldnt
 21 2011-01-30 00:32:47 <Diablo-D3> this is why I like mine
 22 2011-01-30 00:32:48 <Diablo-D3> I coded it
 23 2011-01-30 00:32:53 <Diablo-D3> it does exactly what I want when I want it
 24 2011-01-30 00:35:52 <jwalck> Diablo-D3: I like yours too, 11.1 screwed everything up tho:)
 25 2011-01-30 00:36:15 <jwalck> Now I got yours to SIGSEGV!
 26 2011-01-30 00:36:36 <jwalck> just my own compile, the binary release runs
 27 2011-01-30 00:38:03 <ArtForzZz> rofl, java miner segfaulting
 28 2011-01-30 00:39:02 <jwalck> ArtForzZz: you seem to have plenty of experience with 5970s ;) any advice if youve seen parts of the backlog?
 29 2011-01-30 00:39:23 <ArtForzZz> dunno, didnt try 11.1 yet
 30 2011-01-30 00:39:33 <ArtForzZz> I'm kinda cautionous with new ati driver releases
 31 2011-01-30 00:39:40 <ArtForzZz> they tend to break shit FNAR
 32 2011-01-30 00:39:41 <jwalck> but the problem remains in different forms after reverting, which is weird
 33 2011-01-30 00:39:57 <jwalck> thinking of installing a fresh squeeze on a thumb drive, that only takes like 30 mins.
 34 2011-01-30 00:40:00 <ArtForzZz> check if crossifr eis really disabled
 35 2011-01-30 00:40:17 <ArtForzZz> reinstalling driver likes to reenable crossfire for some reason
 36 2011-01-30 00:40:37 <jwalck> --lsch says disabled, --lscs says enabled
 37 2011-01-30 00:40:48 <jwalck> if i delete the cf chain both goes enabled with a new one
 38 2011-01-30 00:41:25 <ArtForzZz> you'll probably have to do a bunch of crossfire disabling, chain deleting and X restarting
 39 2011-01-30 00:44:20 <jwalck> i can continue with that for a bit, thanks:)
 40 2011-01-30 00:52:32 <joe_1> i'm thinking of beginning work on upgrading the bitcoin client for bitX
 41 2011-01-30 00:54:37 <MT`AwAy> gah
 42 2011-01-30 00:54:42 <MT`AwAy> stupid bug with wrong url >.<
 43 2011-01-30 00:59:23 <joe_1> ok no objections, guess i'll begin work!
 44 2011-01-30 01:06:40 <luke-jr> joe_1: wtf is bitX
 45 2011-01-30 01:07:22 <joe_1> it allows there to be an arbitrary number of coinbases
 46 2011-01-30 01:07:57 <joe_1> specifically for a new coinbase for bitDNS
 47 2011-01-30 01:08:10 <molecular> ;;bc,nexttarget
 48 2011-01-30 01:08:11 <gribble> 106847
 49 2011-01-30 01:08:21 <molecular> ;;bc,estimate
 50 2011-01-30 01:08:22 <gribble> 23983.14585660
 51 2011-01-30 01:08:35 <andrew12> ;;bc,stats
 52 2011-01-30 01:08:37 <gribble> Current Blocks: 105260 | Current Difficulty: 22012.4941572 | Next Difficulty At Block: 106847 | Next Difficulty In: 1587 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 3 hours, 20 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 23983.14585660
 53 2011-01-30 01:09:13 <molecular> that estimate is based on current mining power, assuming no new miners will join, right?
 54 2011-01-30 01:10:34 <Vladimir> joe_1: I'd be happy to test, mine bitDNS as soon as you have something
 55 2011-01-30 01:12:39 <joe_1> ok, DNS will take some additional time to complete. BitX is the groundwork to allow the DNS chain to coexist.
 56 2011-01-30 01:14:48 <Vladimir> standing by... for bitDNS :-)
 57 2011-01-30 01:50:23 <luke-jr> joe_1: why?
 58 2011-01-30 01:51:39 <joe_1> which part?
 59 2011-01-30 01:51:48 <Kiba> The BX?
 60 2011-01-30 01:52:18 <joe_1> satoshi alluded to this in a post before he disappeared, i'll try to find it
 61 2011-01-30 01:53:56 <joe_1> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1790.msg28715#msg28715
 62 2011-01-30 01:54:31 <Kiba> do car driving tired out people faster?
 63 2011-01-30 01:54:33 <theymos> Even if a miner is able to work on two chains at once at no extra cost, why would he work on a DNS chain when he gets nothing in reward?
 64 2011-01-30 01:55:43 <Kiba> so he can sell them for bitcoin, theymos
 65 2011-01-30 01:55:53 <joe_1> dns miners would enforce payment on the bitcoin chain
 66 2011-01-30 01:56:22 <sipa> ;;bc,stats
 67 2011-01-30 01:56:24 <gribble> Current Blocks: 105267 | Current Difficulty: 22012.4941572 | Next Difficulty At Block: 106847 | Next Difficulty In: 1580 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 1 hour, 49 minutes, and 40 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 24043.29437054
 68 2011-01-30 01:56:31 <Vladimir> or register sex.bitdns google.dns and such
 69 2011-01-30 01:59:43 <Vladimir> with higher difficulty these days, some miners would be happy to support new block chain, if there is a good incentive
 70 2011-01-30 02:00:44 <lfm> difficulty wouldn't be any less
 71 2011-01-30 02:01:41 <Vladimir> do you mean that it would be part of bitcoin block chain?
 72 2011-01-30 02:01:42 <joe_1> difficulty may be *slightly* less on a second chain, as not all bitcoin miners will also mine the other chain
 73 2011-01-30 02:02:44 <joe_1> it will be tucked away into a no-op transaction on each bitcoin block. so the bitcoin network will be oblivious to it except that it's 128 bytes of "junk" on each block. And, if i'm right about this no-op transaction, there will be zero changes to the bitcoin protocol.
 74 2011-01-30 02:03:14 <theymos> Trying to limit the number of names a miner could generate would restrict the market (or allow too much squatting). DNS needs to consist of proof that the registrant paid *some* arbitrary amount so clients can filter registrations as they choose.
 75 2011-01-30 02:03:51 <joe_1> the 128 bytes is the head of a merkle tree that would contain an unlimited number of dns transactions.
 76 2011-01-30 02:07:23 <Vladimir> how economics of bitDNS would work? i.e. in bitcoin we have difficulty changes based on amount of miners working therefore balancing supply and demand, how it would be balanced in bitDNS?
 77 2011-01-30 02:09:18 <joe_1> there are definitely a lot of unanswered questions about "initial distribution" of DNS names, how to determine registration fees, monthly fees, transaction fees, etc. Right now my focus is to get the bitcoin client to understand that there can be other coinbases in the fake transaction. These other coinbases could have any kind of rules they want; block reward, no block reward, format of
 78 2011-01-30 02:10:08 <Vladimir> yea it is bitX, basically
 79 2011-01-30 02:10:29 <joe_1> yea. but it won't impact bitcoin at all.
 80 2011-01-30 02:11:52 <Vladimir> but than it means that bitcoin miners, would just get some additional reward  via bitX for solving the next bitcoin block, right?
 81 2011-01-30 02:15:19 <Vladimir> so you basically working on implementing bitX along the lines of that Satoshi's post you've linked above
 82 2011-01-30 02:15:52 <joe_1> assuming the miner's block contains valid data for the dns chain, yes they will get the additional reward
 83 2011-01-30 02:16:03 <joe_1> yeah hopeing to do it along the lines of the satoshi post
 84 2011-01-30 02:18:04 <Vladimir> good stuff
 85 2011-01-30 02:41:20 <jgarzik> Vladimir: PM'd you
 86 2011-01-30 02:41:31 <Vladimir> k
 87 2011-01-30 02:48:30 <Vladimir> I could take payments in 5970's, lol
 88 2011-01-30 03:17:00 <echelon> MT`AwAy
 89 2011-01-30 03:18:48 <MT`AwAy> echelon: ?
 90 2011-01-30 03:19:10 <echelon> i lost the page where i could check how much is deposited
 91 2011-01-30 03:20:42 <MT`AwAy> echelon: for the order ?
 92 2011-01-30 03:20:56 <echelon> yeah, i have the order # though
 93 2011-01-30 03:21:07 <MT`AwAy> echelon: tell me that in private then
 94 2011-01-30 03:26:52 <andrew12^mac> /join #bitcoin-dev,#bitcoin-discussion,#bitcoin-otc,#bitcoin-market,#bitcoin-monitor,#bitcoin-discussion
 95 2011-01-30 03:26:58 <andrew12^mac> woo!
 96 2011-01-30 03:27:08 <andrew12^mac> and we got my internet fixed. my mom changed her password. heh
 97 2011-01-30 03:37:58 <luke-jr> aha
 98 2011-01-30 03:38:03 <luke-jr> perfect analogy:
 99 2011-01-30 03:38:24 <luke-jr> Porting AppX to Linux = Porting BitCoin to Tonal
100 2011-01-30 03:39:11 <luke-jr> Windows "geeks" will mock the Linux user who wants to port it, just the same as some people here who mock the port of Bitcoin to Tonal :P
101 2011-01-30 03:43:19 <luke-jr> andrew12^mac: what do you think? accurate enough analogy?
102 2011-01-30 03:47:18 <Kiba> luke-jr: prove us wrong
103 2011-01-30 03:47:30 <luke-jr> Kiba: prove the Windows user wrong
104 2011-01-30 03:48:09 <luke-jr> it's not right and wrong anywayt
105 2011-01-30 03:48:19 <luke-jr> it's just a different platform ;)
106 2011-01-30 03:49:03 <Kiba> riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
107 2011-01-30 03:49:34 <luke-jr> Kiba: fine, go back about your business, ignorant Windows user :
108 2011-01-30 03:49:46 <andrew12^mac> luke-jr: i dnot get it
109 2011-01-30 03:49:59 <luke-jr> right, you use Mac& sorry XD
110 2011-01-30 03:50:11 <andrew12^mac> ...
111 2011-01-30 03:50:24 <andrew12^mac> I use linuxtoo
112 2011-01-30 03:50:27 <andrew12^mac> linux too*
113 2011-01-30 03:50:29 <Kiba> man
114 2011-01-30 03:50:30 <andrew12^mac> even so, i still don't get it
115 2011-01-30 03:50:31 <Kiba> I am tired
116 2011-01-30 03:50:36 <andrew12^mac> Kiba: go to sleep? :P
117 2011-01-30 03:50:38 <luke-jr> actually, better analogy might be Decimal=Windows, Hexadecimal=Linux, Tonal=Mac
118 2011-01-30 03:50:53 <Kiba> you like mac, luke-jr?
119 2011-01-30 03:50:55 <luke-jr> unless Mac actually passed Linux in market share?
120 2011-01-30 03:50:59 <luke-jr> Kiba: no, I hate it
121 2011-01-30 03:51:03 <luke-jr> was just going based on marketshares
122 2011-01-30 03:51:22 <Kiba> android will killz the iphone!
123 2011-01-30 03:51:27 <andrew12^mac> !!!!!!!!!!!
124 2011-01-30 03:51:45 <luke-jr> andrew12^mac: if a Linux developer ports a Windows app to Linux, the primary Windows developers of the app might mock or otherwise downplay the port, just like some people here downplay the Tonal Bitcoin variant
125 2011-01-30 03:51:50 <luke-jr> Kiba: iWhat?
126 2011-01-30 03:51:51 <Kiba> ah, the paradise of cheap 150 dollars phone and contractless monthly plan
127 2011-01-30 03:52:10 <luke-jr> Kiba: Android killed iPhone a while ago
128 2011-01-30 03:52:11 <luke-jr> :p
129 2011-01-30 03:53:06 <andrew12^mac> android8
130 2011-01-30 03:53:09 <andrew12^mac> android*
131 2011-01-30 03:53:36 <luke-jr> with KDE
132 2011-01-30 03:54:18 <Kiba> must be a slowass phone to use
133 2011-01-30 03:55:16 <luke-jr> nah not really
134 2011-01-30 03:55:21 <luke-jr> just when I hit swap
135 2011-01-30 03:55:30 <andrew12^mac> ew kde
136 2011-01-30 03:55:37 <luke-jr> ew mac
137 2011-01-30 03:55:41 <andrew12^mac> krappy desktop environment
138 2011-01-30 03:55:54 <luke-jr> I agree, it's quite crappy
139 2011-01-30 03:55:57 <luke-jr> but still the best that exists
140 2011-01-30 03:56:00 <Kiba> I used xmonad
141 2011-01-30 03:56:06 <andrew12^mac> i use a tty.
142 2011-01-30 03:56:14 <andrew12^mac> lol
143 2011-01-30 03:56:15 <luke-jr> andrew12^mac: on your phone?
144 2011-01-30 03:56:19 <andrew12^mac> no :P
145 2011-01-30 03:56:39 <andrew12^mac> i use fluxbox on my desktop sometimes though
146 2011-01-30 03:56:47 <andrew12^mac> i wonder if its possible to get an android to do verbose boot
147 2011-01-30 03:57:58 <andrew12^mac> "verbose ipads look cool -- http://yfrog.com/f/eu1r7j/"
148 2011-01-30 03:58:15 <andrew12^mac> s/f///
149 2011-01-30 04:07:08 <Kiba> why do libertarians reject their bitcoin kins? :(
150 2011-01-30 04:10:53 <citizen> anyone know if there's a way to hide m0mchil's miner - so it's not completely visible
151 2011-01-30 04:14:18 <citizen> i think i found a way :)
152 2011-01-30 05:03:55 <nevezen> g
153 2011-01-30 05:18:40 <doublec> is there a way to merge two wallet.dat's?
154 2011-01-30 05:20:43 <Netsniper> send the coins from client to client?
155 2011-01-30 05:21:14 <doublec> I've done that but I've published addresses from both wallets and I want a single wallet that can still receive from those addresses
156 2011-01-30 05:21:40 <doublec> otherwise anything sent to those addresses will be lost forever
157 2011-01-30 05:22:46 <doublec> I might just back one wallet up and periodically check the addresses in it and restore it when they get funds
158 2011-01-30 05:38:19 <MT`AwAy> let's suppose I modify my bitcoin client to always remove 0.005 bitcoins from the amounts I send, will receivers still see the amount they asked for? :D (ie, is bitcoin rounding?) If so, anyone could save half a bitcoin cent on each payment, and profit (until he's taken down by the people he sent coins to)
159 2011-01-30 05:40:08 <lfm> i think it truncates
160 2011-01-30 05:40:17 <nanotube> MT`AwAy: if they use the stock bitcoin gui client, they won't see it until they get at least two of these.
161 2011-01-30 05:40:33 <MT`AwAy> nanotube: yep, but they won't see it on the individual transactions
162 2011-01-30 05:40:38 <MT`AwAy> and bitcoind has probably the same problem
163 2011-01-30 05:40:47 <nanotube> well, bitcoind doesn't round the balance
164 2011-01-30 05:40:55 <lfm> bitcoind shows all 8 digits
165 2011-01-30 05:41:00 <nanotube> and maybe it doesn't round listtransactions either?
166 2011-01-30 05:41:19 <MT`AwAy> ah yeah
167 2011-01-30 05:41:41 <MT`AwAy> didn't check that lately
168 2011-01-30 05:41:49 <MT`AwAy> in fact haven't checked at all :D
169 2011-01-30 05:45:45 <nanotube> hehe
170 2011-01-30 07:10:57 <Vladimir> mrb_: you have pm
171 2011-01-30 07:14:16 <mrb_> Vladimir: replied
172 2011-01-30 07:40:29 <joe_1> is the nanaimo gold exchange operator here
173 2011-01-30 08:27:41 <niekie> Reopping users...
174 2011-01-30 08:39:36 <echelon> forgot me
175 2011-01-30 08:40:15 <echelon> cool.. you're with cacert?
176 2011-01-30 08:40:23 <joe_1> me to
177 2011-01-30 08:40:40 <echelon> :D
178 2011-01-30 08:40:47 <echelon> joe_1, how is mullvad working out for you?
179 2011-01-30 08:40:53 <joe_1> it's better lately
180 2011-01-30 08:41:03 <echelon> is it a shared ip?
181 2011-01-30 08:41:28 <joe_1> mullvad has about 4 outward facing IP addresses, something like m1.mullvad.net through m4.mullvad.net
182 2011-01-30 08:41:45 <echelon> hmm kk
183 2011-01-30 08:41:52 <joe_1> you randomly get one of them, and you get assigned one incoming port
184 2011-01-30 08:42:17 <echelon> ah nice, so i can still run a tor port :)
185 2011-01-30 08:42:22 <niekie> echelon: I'm just a lowly assurer ;-)
186 2011-01-30 08:42:33 <echelon> still cool ^_^
187 2011-01-30 08:42:50 <echelon> joe_1, is bandwidth metered?
188 2011-01-30 08:43:12 <joe_1> my torrents can come down at about 130 kB/s
189 2011-01-30 08:43:20 <joe_1> so it's OK... i cant watch high def youtube videos too well though
190 2011-01-30 08:43:43 <echelon> i meant, there's no bandwidth limit per month?
191 2011-01-30 08:43:51 <joe_1> no
192 2011-01-30 08:43:55 <echelon> capped at like 100gb or something
193 2011-01-30 08:43:56 <echelon> kk
194 2011-01-30 08:44:24 <echelon> i'll try it, but that'll just mean less bandwidth for you ;)
195 2011-01-30 08:44:39 <joe_1> hopefully not
196 2011-01-30 08:44:45 <echelon> hehe
197 2011-01-30 08:45:19 <joe_1> well, a while ago i was looking for a solution with my ip routing table on my end, so that i can run my webserver through the mullvad VPN, and do everything else on my regular connection. it was so hard that i gave up, and nobody i asked knew what to do.
198 2011-01-30 08:45:52 <echelon> i'm guessing they wouldn't allow you to use port 80
199 2011-01-30 08:46:25 <joe_1> no,  to do that you have to buy a kalyhost VPS
200 2011-01-30 08:46:53 <echelon> i just bought a domain off kalyhost, pretty good price :)
201 2011-01-30 08:47:00 <joe_1> thats cool
202 2011-01-30 08:47:43 <ducki2p> how would you test if an account exists in the wallet, using the API?
203 2011-01-30 08:48:20 <joe_1> i think you can get its balance and compare to zero, ..... let me look. i just checked out the client code so i have it up on the screen.
204 2011-01-30 08:48:52 <ducki2p> getbalance returns
205 2011-01-30 08:49:09 <ducki2p> getbalance returns 0.00000000 for a non-existing account as well
206 2011-01-30 08:49:23 <midnightmagic_> there is a tonne of functionality missing from the straight API which is partially included in trunk. do you have scm sync'd?
207 2011-01-30 08:49:36 <tcatm> ducki2p: see if it shows in listaccounts
208 2011-01-30 08:50:44 <joe_1> getaddressesbyaccount(account). Check for an empty array returned.
209 2011-01-30 08:51:13 <ducki2p> ah cool. thanks joe_1 that would work best
210 2011-01-30 08:53:22 <joe_1> what is scm
211 2011-01-30 08:54:32 <ducki2p> a Scheme implementation I think
212 2011-01-30 08:55:18 <midnightmagic_> :) source control.
213 2011-01-30 08:55:44 <joe_1> i have no clue what i'm doing. i downloaded the git stuff and checked out bitcoin from github today.
214 2011-01-30 08:55:49 <ducki2p> yeah I am at Subversion HEAD
215 2011-01-30 08:56:19 <ducki2p> git reluctant to depend on the git repo
216 2011-01-30 10:00:08 <joe_1> is there a way to insert arbitrary data into a bitcoin transaction
217 2011-01-30 10:01:43 <tcatm> no
218 2011-01-30 10:01:52 <sipa> in the amount you can probably put a few bits, though you pay for those
219 2011-01-30 10:02:48 <sipa> and in the script you could, put since nonstandard scripts arent accepted for mining anymore...
220 2011-01-30 10:03:01 <sipa> *but
221 2011-01-30 10:18:03 <Diablo-D3> http://m.plixi.com/p/73294801
222 2011-01-30 10:22:58 <joe_1> ok
223 2011-01-30 10:23:12 <joe_1> i have to move to plan b then, for this bitX implementation
224 2011-01-30 11:09:29 <molecular> does anyone know wether artforz released his i2c voltage setting info / tool yet?
225 2011-01-30 11:10:23 <molecular> one of my gpus hung again this night at only 795Mhz, I could really use it ;)
226 2011-01-30 12:06:17 <molecular> is there some publicly available bitcoind with where i could rpc "getblockcount" to compare to my local block # in order to detect disconnect of my bitcoind?
227 2011-01-30 12:07:02 <sipa> http://blockexplorer.com/q/getblockcount
228 2011-01-30 12:07:13 <molecular> ah, very nice, thanks.
229 2011-01-30 14:16:46 <Kiba> woohoo!
230 2011-01-30 14:16:56 <Kiba> 691.08 BTC
231 2011-01-30 14:17:35 <TheAncientGoat> neice
232 2011-01-30 14:22:28 <Kiba> TheAncientGoat: I'll be taking off the advertising for freegamer by the end of the month
233 2011-01-30 14:23:27 <TheAncientGoat> Kiba: Hah, good luck getting any more bitcoins from me then :P
234 2011-01-30 14:24:47 <Kiba> out of bitcoin already?
235 2011-01-30 14:27:03 <TheAncientGoat> Kiba: I have a couple left
236 2011-01-30 14:27:09 <TheAncientGoat> Not many :P
237 2011-01-30 14:27:32 <TheAncientGoat> Need to look for work, hah
238 2011-01-30 14:27:59 <Kiba> I need to write an article for The Bitcoin Times
239 2011-01-30 14:31:40 <TheAncientGoat> bitcoin times?
240 2011-01-30 14:36:19 <Kiba> TheAncientGoat: it's a bitcoin magazine
241 2011-01-30 14:39:31 <TheAncientGoat> webazine or published?
242 2011-01-30 14:39:42 <TheAncientGoat> and what does it cover? bitcoin news?
243 2011-01-30 15:17:16 <Kiba> so bitcoiners
244 2011-01-30 15:17:20 <Kiba> what ya doing for money?
245 2011-01-30 15:19:12 <molecular> work :(
246 2011-01-30 15:19:29 <Kiba> molecular: not earning bitcoin?
247 2011-01-30 15:19:39 <molecular> too little, 620mhash/s
248 2011-01-30 15:19:52 <molecular> will barely finance the cost of the gpu ;|
249 2011-01-30 15:20:08 <molecular> betting on rising value, basically, could've just bought BTC, but mining is more interesting
250 2011-01-30 15:20:45 <molecular> and you, kiba?
251 2011-01-30 15:20:59 <molecular> mixing german fruit drinks?
252 2011-01-30 15:21:04 <Kiba> trying to think of something to write tomorrow
253 2011-01-30 15:21:08 <Cusipzzz> Kiba makes $$ from ads! :)
254 2011-01-30 15:21:14 <Kiba> yes, that too
255 2011-01-30 15:21:15 <molecular> for bitcoin times?
256 2011-01-30 15:21:32 <Kiba> yes, an article for The Bitcoin Times
257 2011-01-30 15:21:34 <molecular> well, don't make a "mining guide"
258 2011-01-30 15:22:04 <molecular> an interview would be nice about bitcoin economics
259 2011-01-30 15:22:17 <Kiba> maybe I could contribute a few tips about making money in the bitcoin economy
260 2011-01-30 15:22:24 <molecular> who's reading it? the people here only?
261 2011-01-30 15:22:37 <molecular> yeah, like: "buy bitcoins"!
262 2011-01-30 15:22:59 <Kiba> A few tips about making money from bitcoin
263 2011-01-30 15:23:15 <ducki2p> ooh, I'd be interesting in reading about your quest for making a living fully from bitcoins
264 2011-01-30 15:23:33 <Kiba> that seem to be the case
265 2011-01-30 15:24:56 <Kiba> I am also interested in helping other bitcoiners achevie profit
266 2011-01-30 15:25:05 <Kiba> so that we have a growing economy and so that my saving will grow
267 2011-01-30 15:26:20 <Kiba> hmm
268 2011-01-30 15:26:28 <Kiba> no bids for the first time on operationfabulous
269 2011-01-30 15:28:59 <molecular> ah, theres sth on operationfabulous.com finally. Got a friend with a nice site (alexa 165000) who is looking to earn some money. Should I point him there?
270 2011-01-30 15:29:29 <Cusipzzz> Kiba: you have a bid :)
271 2011-01-30 15:29:49 <Cusipzzz> need more traffic on your site, though.
272 2011-01-30 15:30:02 <Cusipzzz> molecular: absolutely
273 2011-01-30 15:30:40 <Kiba> Cusipzzz: indeed, but I don't know if there are traffic
274 2011-01-30 15:30:51 <Kiba> that's why I work on articles occasionally
275 2011-01-30 15:30:55 <molecular> you're wondering why there are no bids? well, do I have to register to see something in the advertiser section? you could put some motivational text there maybe instead of just "welcome"
276 2011-01-30 15:31:12 <Kiba> molecular: no
277 2011-01-30 15:31:19 <Kiba> I am not wondering
278 2011-01-30 15:31:24 <Kiba> I am well aware of my low-traffic site
279 2011-01-30 15:31:29 <molecular> ok
280 2011-01-30 15:31:32 <Cusipzzz> Kiba: he lists hits/per day next to each oublisher site
281 2011-01-30 15:32:41 <Kiba> so what did I have?
282 2011-01-30 15:32:45 <Kiba> 5 hits a day?
283 2011-01-30 15:32:52 <Cusipzzz> something like 5-20
284 2011-01-30 15:33:00 <Kiba> yeah, that's low
285 2011-01-30 15:34:03 <btcex> hi
286 2011-01-30 15:34:28 <btcex> How unpredictable field 'time' in confirmed transaction?
287 2011-01-30 15:34:53 <btcex> i want to create random numbers generator based on some values from bitcoin networ for gambling game
288 2011-01-30 15:35:39 <molecular> do I have to have an Ad to see the sites?
289 2011-01-30 15:35:45 <btcex> can person why generates new block affect to this field?
290 2011-01-30 15:36:14 <btcex> molecular: ?
291 2011-01-30 15:36:14 <Cusipzzz> molecular: just sign up with advertiser account
292 2011-01-30 15:36:17 <molecular> btcex why not use last bits of block hash?
293 2011-01-30 15:36:32 <molecular> Cusipzzz, I just did
294 2011-01-30 15:36:39 <Cusipzzz> molecular: might have to upload an ad before it will let you bid
295 2011-01-30 15:36:49 <molecular> Cusipzzz, see no websites. assuming I need to manufacture an ad first?
296 2011-01-30 15:36:53 <molecular> allright
297 2011-01-30 15:36:59 <Cusipzzz> molecular: i believe so
298 2011-01-30 15:37:03 <btcex> molecular: I'am afraid that block generator can bet before publish generated block
299 2011-01-30 15:37:04 <molecular> Cusipzzz, damn, I have nothing to advertise ;)
300 2011-01-30 15:37:13 <Cusipzzz> molecular: you can use my ad ;)
301 2011-01-30 15:37:19 <molecular> btcex: block generator cannot influence hash value
302 2011-01-30 15:37:29 <Kiba> I guess I'll start posting arts too
303 2011-01-30 15:37:42 <molecular> http://blockexplorer.com/block/000000000001851086db41b1266fb6619a1f53d3bc17323710dcdc24a4d9b80f
304 2011-01-30 15:37:53 <btcex> molecular: but it can predict game results
305 2011-01-30 15:37:58 <molecular> the stuff after the 00000s is pretty hard to influence for a creater
306 2011-01-30 15:38:23 <molecular> but you will only get like 200 bits in 10 minutes very unreliably -> not a good random source
307 2011-01-30 15:38:49 <molecular> btcex, why do you want to use something from bitcoin network?
308 2011-01-30 15:39:28 <btcex> molecular: because I want to have a random number generator which any player can check on what the numbers really random
309 2011-01-30 15:40:01 <btcex> (not as in a jackpotdice:))
310 2011-01-30 15:40:04 <molecular> btcex, ah ok
311 2011-01-30 15:40:08 <molecular> :) lol
312 2011-01-30 15:40:17 <molecular> btcex did you get ripped off in the end on jackpotdice?
313 2011-01-30 15:40:36 <molecular> Cusipzzz, what add type is best to choose?
314 2011-01-30 15:40:40 <molecular> s/add/ad
315 2011-01-30 15:40:51 <tcatm> btcex: use the nonce field ;)
316 2011-01-30 15:41:07 <btcex> can not say, sorry. maybe I'll publish the results of my research on the forum today.
317 2011-01-30 15:41:13 <Cusipzzz> current sites on there are looking for square or skyscraper..only Kiba like Banner, lol
318 2011-01-30 15:41:16 <btcex> tcatm: nonce?
319 2011-01-30 15:41:23 <tcatm> from blockheader
320 2011-01-30 15:41:37 <Kiba> seem to be rather small
321 2011-01-30 15:41:51 <Kiba> are bitcoiners lazy about adopting new source of revenues?
322 2011-01-30 15:42:11 <btcex> Kiba: oh, can you create advertise banner for probiwon?
323 2011-01-30 15:42:51 <Kiba> btcex: so you want me to do graphic design? That's a skill that I don't have
324 2011-01-30 15:43:22 <tcatm> idev on the forum offers logo design, maybe he can do banners, too
325 2011-01-30 15:43:49 <Kiba> too many people are confusing kiba's artistic skills with graphic design
326 2011-01-30 15:44:13 <tcatm> switch to graphic design and make more BTC ;)
327 2011-01-30 15:44:36 <Kiba> tcatm: I am focusing on skills like 3D CAD
328 2011-01-30 15:44:38 <btcex> Kiba: sorry. then I'll try to do something myself and it will be scary
329 2011-01-30 15:45:00 <molecular> kiba: I would, but have nothing to advertise and no ad-space ;)
330 2011-01-30 15:45:01 <Kiba> btcex: I think idev might be a good choice
331 2011-01-30 15:45:22 <btcex> why is idev?
332 2011-01-30 15:45:31 <Kiba> because he does logo?
333 2011-01-30 15:45:41 <tcatm> Kiba: cool. any samples?
334 2011-01-30 15:46:01 <Kiba> tcatm: sample? not really
335 2011-01-30 15:46:17 <Kiba> learnign is a rather sporadic adventure for me it seem
336 2011-01-30 15:46:56 <btcex> o, i'm need not logo, I am need adv banner. its different things
337 2011-01-30 16:51:56 <Kiba> It seem that we experienced a brief spike
338 2011-01-30 16:56:13 <gribble> Error: "bc,statd" is not a valid command.
339 2011-01-30 16:56:13 <slush> ;;bc,statd 1100000 372
340 2011-01-30 16:56:25 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1100000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 372, is 24 minutes and 12 seconds
341 2011-01-30 16:56:25 <slush> ;;bc,calcd 1100000 372
342 2011-01-30 16:58:25 <nanotube> slush: testnet's difficulties are double the equivalent mainnet. so you want 186
343 2011-01-30 16:58:37 <slush> still too high
344 2011-01-30 16:59:00 <slush> is there any possibility to connect bitcoind to itself?
345 2011-01-30 16:59:35 <slush> I need much lower difficulty, current testnet is fucking high
346 2011-01-30 16:59:55 <Cyd> slush little baby odnt say a word
347 2011-01-30 17:00:03 <Cyd> momma's gonna buy you a mocking bird
348 2011-01-30 17:01:16 <slush> somebody reported that it is possible to connect bitcoind to itself and imitate own bitcoin network with only genesis block
349 2011-01-30 17:01:17 <tcatm> slush: run your own testnet
350 2011-01-30 17:01:40 <tcatm> bitcoind -noirc -connect=127.0.0.1 (-testnet)
351 2011-01-30 17:01:52 <slush> I tried that, but 0 connection...
352 2011-01-30 17:01:54 <tcatm> you could even at -nolisten with recent git
353 2011-01-30 17:02:03 <tcatm> doesn't matter
354 2011-01-30 17:02:20 <slush> it matter, because RPC calls return me 'not connected'
355 2011-01-30 17:02:30 <tcatm> oh hm
356 2011-01-30 17:02:55 <slush> is there any difference between versions .18 and .19?
357 2011-01-30 17:03:00 <slush> I have .18
358 2011-01-30 17:03:11 <tcatm> sure, lot of development happened lately
359 2011-01-30 17:03:44 <tcatm> you could run two bitcoinds on different computers and connect them to each other
360 2011-01-30 17:04:12 <slush> nice tip
361 2011-01-30 17:04:23 <slush> btw any chance to reset testnet?
362 2011-01-30 17:04:54 <tcatm> gavin wanted to do that so I didn't bother to use my GPUs for it
363 2011-01-30 17:05:25 <tcatm> you could use your pool and a modified bitcoind to reset it in about 6 hours
364 2011-01-30 17:05:51 <slush> no, I don't want to connect pool to testnet ;)
365 2011-01-30 17:06:18 <slush> But new genesis block in next release should solve this, right?
366 2011-01-30 17:06:39 <gavinandresen> Howdy y'all
367 2011-01-30 17:06:50 <tcatm> hey
368 2011-01-30 17:07:23 <slush> hi
369 2011-01-30 17:07:51 <gavinandresen> You talking about possible testnet reset?
370 2011-01-30 17:07:57 <tcatm> yes
371 2011-01-30 17:08:19 <slush> it would be nice. It's practically impossible to 'test' anything on testnet :)
372 2011-01-30 17:08:43 <tcatm> do you have a tail -f on irclogs? :)
373 2011-01-30 17:08:50 <gavinandresen> If you have two machines you can create your own private testnet
374 2011-01-30 17:09:37 <gavinandresen> ... but you can't test until they've generated at least 100 blocks.
375 2011-01-30 17:10:08 <gavinandresen> tcatm:  I often check the IRCLog website before popping in here
376 2011-01-30 17:10:36 <tcatm> ic
377 2011-01-30 17:10:44 <slush> gavinandresen: agree, but is there any reason for keeping difficulty so high?
378 2011-01-30 17:10:54 <gavinandresen> Nope
379 2011-01-30 17:11:24 <devon_hillard> is anyone running diablo-d3's miner in windows?
380 2011-01-30 17:11:32 <devon_hillard> or if you mine in windows, what are you using?
381 2011-01-30 17:11:43 <slush> devon_hillard: I used diablo's on win
382 2011-01-30 17:12:11 <devon_hillard> slush: did you have trouble setting it up?
383 2011-01-30 17:12:34 <slush> devon_hillard: no, it was without problems
384 2011-01-30 17:13:59 <slush> tcatm: when I upgrade to .19, bitcoin still reporting that it is connected to self and drop connection then. So still 0 connections
385 2011-01-30 17:14:41 <slush> i'll try to setup testnet on second computer
386 2011-01-30 17:14:52 <tcatm> you could run two bitcoinds on one computer with different datadirs and one with nolisten.
387 2011-01-30 17:15:35 <tcatm> both -connect=127.0.0.1
388 2011-01-30 17:18:50 <gavinandresen> I forgot about -nolisten... that aught to work.
389 2011-01-30 17:18:58 <gavinandresen> You might need -noirc, too
390 2011-01-30 17:19:16 <slush> nolisten isn't in .19, right?
391 2011-01-30 17:19:30 <gavinandresen> Nope
392 2011-01-30 17:19:42 <gavinandresen> (I mean, right, it is in the git tree)
393 2011-01-30 17:19:51 <slush> ok, I'll try second computer
394 2011-01-30 17:19:56 <slush> two instances of .19 does not work
395 2011-01-30 17:20:01 <slush> (on same computer)
396 2011-01-30 17:20:12 <gavinandresen> Oh, the -nolisten machine will need -rpcport=something
397 2011-01-30 17:22:47 <slush> nice, ./bitcoin -testnet -noirc -connect=127.0.0.1 throws segmentation fault on linux box
398 2011-01-30 17:22:53 <slush> version .19
399 2011-01-30 17:23:33 <gavinandresen> That's... sub-optimal....
400 2011-01-30 17:23:54 <slush> oh, it is not related to parameters
401 2011-01-30 17:24:07 <slush> it is because directory name include national characters
402 2011-01-30 17:24:16 <slush> moving bitcoin to another directory fixed this
403 2011-01-30 17:24:46 <gavinandresen> Still sub-optimal.  Can you file an issue?
404 2011-01-30 17:26:26 <gavinandresen> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3051    : proposal to reset testnet and change difficulty adjustment rules
405 2011-01-30 17:26:58 <slush> gavinandresen: report to github?
406 2011-01-30 17:27:17 <gavinandresen> slush: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues
407 2011-01-30 17:27:53 <gavinandresen> tcatm: speaking of issues, are you still getting a corrupt double-linked list error?
408 2011-01-30 17:28:43 <tcatm> gavinandresen: no, but js-remote is a lot less aggressive since I rewrote the txlist update mechanism
409 2011-01-30 17:40:30 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 860 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 1, is 1 hour, 23 minutes, and 14 seconds
410 2011-01-30 17:40:30 <slush> ;;bc,calcd 860 1
411 2011-01-30 17:43:29 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: I can't reproduce your JSON-RPC DoS...
412 2011-01-30 17:43:50 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: telnet times out after 2 seconds if I run with -rpctimeout=2
413 2011-01-30 17:44:27 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: I'll try with a different rpctimeout.  it never times out for me, using the defaults.
414 2011-01-30 17:44:40 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: I let it sit there for over an hour in one test.
415 2011-01-30 17:45:08 <gavinandresen> Maybe the default isn't working, I'll try that...
416 2011-01-30 17:48:09 <slush> well, private testnet on two computer and version .19 works...
417 2011-01-30 17:48:28 <gavinandresen> D'oh!  have rpctimeout=6000 in my bitcoin.conf because I was debugging...........
418 2011-01-30 17:50:08 <gavinandresen> jgarzik:   ThreadRPCServer ReadHTTP timeout
419 2011-01-30 17:51:48 <Kiba> I notice that the forum is quiet today
420 2011-01-30 17:55:01 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: in your first connection, you simply type 'GE' (first two bytes of http request) and nothing else?
421 2011-01-30 17:55:19 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: no crlf etc
422 2011-01-30 17:56:12 <tcatm> RPCServer should switch to select/epoll :)
423 2011-01-30 17:56:33 <jgarzik> yes, it should..
424 2011-01-30 17:58:37 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: Yup, although I don't think telnet transmits char-by-char....
425 2011-01-30 17:59:11 <gavinandresen> (or does it?)
426 2011-01-30 18:00:25 <tcatm> telnet transmits on \n
427 2011-01-30 18:00:52 <tcatm> just tested with nc -l 1234 & telnet localhost 1234
428 2011-01-30 18:01:00 <jgarzik> it depends on the terminal mode.  interactive programs work just fine over telnet, and do not require \n to transmit in all cases.
429 2011-01-30 18:02:36 <luke-jr> telnet can do either depending
430 2011-01-30 18:03:22 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: latest git-head version of bitcoin?
431 2011-01-30 18:03:41 <jgarzik> "version" : 31800,
432 2011-01-30 18:03:50 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: a couple revs old
433 2011-01-30 18:04:04 <gavinandresen> -rpctimeout is new
434 2011-01-30 18:04:26 <gavinandresen> (I don't remember if it was .19 or is new with upcoming .20)
435 2011-01-30 18:05:14 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: is bitcoin svn dead at this point?  or will git get pulled into svn for .20 ?
436 2011-01-30 18:05:27 <molecular> Kiba, are you involved with operation fab?
437 2011-01-30 18:05:38 <molecular> or anyone else here... having trouble creating an ad
438 2011-01-30 18:05:53 <molecular> it says "Invalid file. Only GIF, JPEG or PNG file types are accepted (This file is ). Maximum file size should not exceed 100Kb."
439 2011-01-30 18:06:06 <molecular> is there a channel for project fabulous?
440 2011-01-30 18:07:10 <gavinandresen> RE: RPCServer should select/epoll:  most RPC methods lock the wallet, so you'd end up being mostly single-threaded anyway....
441 2011-01-30 18:07:41 <gavinandresen> jgarzik:  I was planning on pulling into svn for .20, and have svn be the "stable" tree
442 2011-01-30 18:08:29 <gavinandresen> Away for lunch for a while....
443 2011-01-30 18:08:44 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: It's still a one-at-a-time interface without poll
444 2011-01-30 18:08:56 <tcatm> select/epoll: Yes, but they could read the whole request and then lock after they received everything from the client instead of a slow client blocking the whole RPC thread
445 2011-01-30 18:09:05 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: an attacker can force you to wait rpctimeout for each request
446 2011-01-30 18:09:19 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: if you're a pool server, you go from 120 getwork/sec to 1 getwork/sec
447 2011-01-30 18:09:25 <gavinandresen> So instead they make bitcoin crash by running out of memory....
448 2011-01-30 18:09:51 <gavinandresen> ... unless somebody writes lots of code to intelligently manage a pool of threads.
449 2011-01-30 18:10:04 <tcatm> You don't need threads.
450 2011-01-30 18:10:11 <jgarzik> you don't need a pool of threads, just buffers per connection
451 2011-01-30 18:10:19 <tcatm> Just a list of sockets and a input buffer
452 2011-01-30 18:10:35 <gavinandresen> Yeah.... sounds like another one of those "I know how to "fix" it, so I will" instead of "this is a real problem that needs fixing"
453 2011-01-30 18:10:54 <jgarzik> poll is standard way to write a TCP socket server :)
454 2011-01-30 18:11:12 <gavinandresen> You shouldn't be -rpcallowip=* anyway.  Only allow connections from IPs you trust.
455 2011-01-30 18:11:29 <jgarzik> that's how apache, lighttpd, exim, inn, and every other major Internet server are written
456 2011-01-30 18:11:32 <gavinandresen> (I'm hungry, gonna go eat.  I'll be less grumpy when I'm back)
457 2011-01-30 18:11:46 <tcatm> I think theymos had a problem with blockexplorer related to this.
458 2011-01-30 18:13:26 <tcatm> molecular: great!
459 2011-01-30 18:14:14 <molecular> is there a place one can put this kind of stuff for other people to see?
460 2011-01-30 18:14:21 <jgarzik> the forum
461 2011-01-30 18:14:24 <molecular> ok
462 2011-01-30 18:17:59 <jgarzik> python is nice, for it's efficient manner of typing.  "foo = bar" with automatic typing is almost as good as C's static typing
463 2011-01-30 18:18:06 <jgarzik> but the expressions leave a lot to be desired
464 2011-01-30 18:18:18 <ArtForzZz> ?
465 2011-01-30 18:18:46 <jgarzik> 'if' statements and loops tend to be bigger than their C counterparts, as I write them
466 2011-01-30 18:18:53 <edcba> ?
467 2011-01-30 18:19:02 <nanotube> jgarzik: example? :)
468 2011-01-30 18:19:05 <ArtForzZz> then you're writing it wrong :P
469 2011-01-30 18:20:08 <jgarzik> there's all sorts of exceptions that bloat the code
470 2011-01-30 18:20:19 <molecular> "if True:" is pretty unbloated?
471 2011-01-30 18:20:38 <Cusipzzz> anyone know when 6990 comes out ?
472 2011-01-30 18:20:51 <ArtForzZz> rumors say mid-feb
473 2011-01-30 18:21:00 <Cusipzzz> thx
474 2011-01-30 18:21:19 <ArtForzZz> AMD higherups are already showing em off at presentations
475 2011-01-30 18:21:35 <nanotube> jgarzik: well, maybe give us an example code snippet in py, and equiv in c, so we can c (hah) what you're talking about. :)
476 2011-01-30 18:21:46 <Cusipzzz> you'd think their QA group would be generating BTCs like mad, lol
477 2011-01-30 18:22:14 <Cusipzzz> leaked specs look pretty good
478 2011-01-30 18:22:41 <nanotube> what's the 6990 hps, and hpw?
479 2011-01-30 18:22:49 <nanotube> according to the specs, at any rate
480 2011-01-30 18:23:04 <Cusipzzz> +20/30% from 5970?
481 2011-01-30 18:23:20 <ArtForzZz> unlikely
482 2011-01-30 18:23:39 <Cusipzzz> really?
483 2011-01-30 18:23:43 <ArtForzZz> yup
484 2011-01-30 18:23:58 <Cusipzzz> hmm, i guess extrapolating specs doesn't really tell the story, but we'll see I guess
485 2011-01-30 18:24:03 <ArtForzZz> 69xx is less power efficient than 58xx
486 2011-01-30 18:24:50 <molecular> Hey ArtForzZz, don't mean to get on your nerves. But can you maybe help me with Voltage control?
487 2011-01-30 18:24:54 <ArtForzZz> 5870 was ~190W, 6970 210-220 and mines a bit slower than 5870
488 2011-01-30 18:24:56 <Cusipzzz> need to hook it up to solar panels :)
489 2011-01-30 18:25:19 <ArtForzZz> and 5970 was already limited by 300W ceiling pretty hard
490 2011-01-30 18:25:43 <ArtForzZz> = thanks to powertune they can just keep the default clock up and clamp down max power use
491 2011-01-30 18:25:56 <Cusipzzz> hmm, so you think 10-15% ?
492 2011-01-30 18:25:58 <ArtForzZz> so for 3D, 6990 will probably end up a fair bit faster than 5970
493 2011-01-30 18:26:09 <Cusipzzz> for mining hps
494 2011-01-30 18:26:11 <ArtForzZz> my guess, for mining 5-10% slower than 5970
495 2011-01-30 18:26:20 <Cusipzzz> wow
496 2011-01-30 18:27:10 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: http://docs.python.org/library/collections.html#collections.defaultdict   might help with those KeyErrors
497 2011-01-30 18:29:23 <citizen> anyone here mine on windows?
498 2011-01-30 18:29:50 <Cusipzzz> *crickets*
499 2011-01-30 18:30:01 <citizen> haha
500 2011-01-30 18:31:55 <hacim> when do pool payouts happen?
501 2011-01-30 18:32:18 <citizen> i was going to ask the same - it seems to be taking a long time
502 2011-01-30 18:33:42 <nanotube> hacim: every few hours
503 2011-01-30 18:33:44 <nanotube> iirc
504 2011-01-30 18:33:52 <hacim> does that mean '3'?
505 2011-01-30 18:34:02 <nanotube> heh ask slush i don't recall exactly.
506 2011-01-30 18:34:46 <TD> ArtForzZz: how is the ASIC project coming along?
507 2011-01-30 18:34:54 <citizen> i wish i could find out which version of sdk stream comes with which version of catalyst drivers for windows
508 2011-01-30 18:37:14 <ArtForzZz> none, except for the special 10.12 w/ APP, which has 2.2
509 2011-01-30 18:37:42 <slush> hacim: every hour
510 2011-01-30 18:38:06 <ArtForzZz> TD: everything on schedule, still waiting for chips to ship
511 2011-01-30 18:38:08 <Cusipzzz> slush living off the interest ;)
512 2011-01-30 18:38:11 <TD> nice
513 2011-01-30 18:39:08 <citizen> http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/windows/previous/10/Pages/radeon.aspx?os=Windows%20Vista%20-%2064-Bit%20Edition&rev=10.12
514 2011-01-30 18:39:15 <citizen> the top one, ArtForzZz?
515 2011-01-30 18:39:39 <ArtForzZz> nope
516 2011-01-30 18:40:00 <ArtForzZz> well, thats not the one with integrated APP
517 2011-01-30 18:40:11 <ArtForzZz> that one is buried somewhere on AMDs dev pages
518 2011-01-30 18:40:20 <ArtForzZz> just get normal cat 10.12 and SDK 2.1
519 2011-01-30 18:40:32 <citizen> i can't find where to download the SDKs
520 2011-01-30 18:41:18 <ArtForzZz> http://developer.amd.com/gpu/AMDAPPSDK/downloads/Pages/default.aspx
521 2011-01-30 18:41:41 <citizen> so you like 2.1 the best?
522 2011-01-30 18:41:49 <ArtForzZz> yup
523 2011-01-30 18:42:01 <ArtForzZz> well, except for 6870/6970
524 2011-01-30 18:42:02 <citizen> sweet - thanks for the help man :)
525 2011-01-30 18:42:12 <ArtForzZz> for them you pretty much have to use 2.3
526 2011-01-30 18:43:39 <citizen> even tho i have the latest display driver, i should be able to install/use this SDK with no problem, right
527 2011-01-30 18:43:54 <ArtForzZz> yep
528 2011-01-30 18:44:15 <citizen> it'll be interesting to see if the rate increases - i will report back on here when done ;)
529 2011-01-30 18:44:22 <ArtForzZz> linux cat 11.1 seems to have some issues, win cat is probably fine
530 2011-01-30 18:48:18 <molecular> is it possible to flash a radeon from linux?
531 2011-01-30 18:48:30 <ArtForzZz> not directly
532 2011-01-30 18:48:56 <molecular> so to change V I would have to install windows on the miner?
533 2011-01-30 18:49:00 <ArtForzZz> nope
534 2011-01-30 18:49:11 <molecular> how can I do it?
535 2011-01-30 18:49:18 <ArtForzZz> DOS bootdisk with atiflash
536 2011-01-30 18:49:43 <molecular> I assume I can somehow put this on a stick. that asrock board has no floppy
537 2011-01-30 18:49:48 <ArtForzZz> yep
538 2011-01-30 18:50:10 <ArtForzZz> I used a stone-age USB stick
539 2011-01-30 18:50:14 <molecular> but well, I want to tweak the V. That means making a new BIOS. how do I do that?
540 2011-01-30 18:50:22 <ArtForzZz> RBE
541 2011-01-30 18:50:27 <molecular> that's a win-tool
542 2011-01-30 18:50:32 <ArtForzZz> yep
543 2011-01-30 18:50:39 <molecular> so I need windows after all?
544 2011-01-30 18:50:54 <ArtForzZz> well, I used a XP VM, but iirc it works in WINE
545 2011-01-30 18:50:58 <molecular> just not necessarily on the mining-machine
546 2011-01-30 18:51:05 <molecular> ok, got a vm
547 2011-01-30 18:51:20 <molecular> I'm kind of afraid of doing this...
548 2011-01-30 18:51:29 <molecular> i2c register-writing would be more comfortable
549 2011-01-30 18:51:53 <ArtForzZz> well, as long as you have 2 PCIe x16 slots and a 2nd graphics card it's really not dangerous
550 2011-01-30 18:52:07 <molecular> have 1 PCIe slot
551 2011-01-30 18:52:30 <ArtForzZz> recovery of a bad flash is gonna be a problem then
552 2011-01-30 18:52:42 <molecular> how likely is that?
553 2011-01-30 18:52:50 <ArtForzZz> not too likely if you're careful
554 2011-01-30 18:53:02 <molecular> can I screw it up by putting wrong values?
555 2011-01-30 18:53:17 <ArtForzZz> yep
556 2011-01-30 18:53:35 <molecular> ok, good to know... will look at RBE now
557 2011-01-30 18:53:40 <molecular> do I need some initial BIOS-dump?
558 2011-01-30 18:53:45 <ArtForzZz> yep
559 2011-01-30 18:54:03 <molecular> does it have to be from my card?
560 2011-01-30 18:54:08 <ArtForzZz> well, it's always a good idea to keep a backup of the orig BIOS. so might as well use that as a basis for the modified one
561 2011-01-30 18:54:16 <ArtForzZz> if its a ref 5970, no
562 2011-01-30 18:54:24 <molecular> oh no, it's sapphire
563 2011-01-30 18:54:45 <ArtForzZz> well, it's always best to use your orig BIOS as a starting point
564 2011-01-30 18:54:58 <molecular> atiflash does dump?
565 2011-01-30 18:55:03 <ArtForzZz> yep
566 2011-01-30 18:55:06 <molecular> ah, cool
567 2011-01-30 18:55:25 <ArtForzZz> http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=57750
568 2011-01-30 18:55:57 <ArtForzZz> atiflash -s NUM FILENAME saves BIOS from card #NUM to FILENAME
569 2011-01-30 18:56:17 <ArtForzZz> atiflash -p NUM FILENAME programs BIOS of card #NUM with FILENAME
570 2011-01-30 18:56:53 <ArtForzZz> atiflash -i lists cards
571 2011-01-30 18:57:56 <Kiba> yah!
572 2011-01-30 18:58:02 <Kiba> .465 BABY!
573 2011-01-30 18:58:31 <molecular> Kiba, are you affiliated with operation fabulous in any way?
574 2011-01-30 18:58:40 <molecular> ArtForzZz, thanks a lot, this info helped
575 2011-01-30 18:58:50 <molecular> ...to keep me busy for a while
576 2011-01-30 18:59:59 <ArtForzZz> the whole process is pretty simple once you get used to it
577 2011-01-30 19:00:00 <hacim> what the hell is 'operation fabulous'
578 2011-01-30 19:00:01 <andrew12^mac> now give me something to do
579 2011-01-30 19:00:37 <andrew12^mac> :p
580 2011-01-30 19:01:00 <Cusipzzz> hacim: BTC ad network
581 2011-01-30 19:01:09 <molecular> operation fabulous: ad platform using btc
582 2011-01-30 19:01:20 <hacim> its not the americas top model spin-off?
583 2011-01-30 19:01:25 <Cusipzzz> lol
584 2011-01-30 19:01:37 <hacim> thats what you get when you search for it
585 2011-01-30 19:02:03 <molecular> Cusipzzz, I have trouble making an ad, is says "Invalid file. Only GIF, JPEG or PNG file types are accepted (This file is ). Maximum file size should not exceed 100Kb."
586 2011-01-30 19:02:10 <molecular> also: is there a channel for op fab?
587 2011-01-30 19:02:49 <Cusipzzz> what filetyp4e are you using ?
588 2011-01-30 19:03:03 <Cusipzzz> I had no problems uploading ad
589 2011-01-30 19:03:06 <fabianhjr_> join #bitcoin-market
590 2011-01-30 19:03:32 <andrew12^mac> holy shit
591 2011-01-30 19:03:48 <Cusipzzz> ?
592 2011-01-30 19:03:55 <andrew12^mac> the price
593 2011-01-30 19:03:59 <andrew12^mac> ;;bc,mtgox
594 2011-01-30 19:04:00 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.48,"low":0.445,"vol":9784,"buy":0.4651,"sell":0.4799,"last":0.48}}
595 2011-01-30 19:04:01 <molecular> "#bitcoin-market :Cannot send to channel"
596 2011-01-30 19:04:02 <Cusipzzz> ya..rally mode
597 2011-01-30 19:04:12 <andrew12^mac> what?
598 2011-01-30 19:04:12 <nanotube> molecular: it's a read-only channel
599 2011-01-30 19:04:22 <Cusipzzz> ?
600 2011-01-30 19:04:25 <nanotube> molecular: streaming quotes. wouldn't want to get the data lost in the noise. :)
601 2011-01-30 19:04:38 <fabianhjr> andrew12^mac: that is natural, though S3052 missed the parity pijnt which I still think will be by mid-2011.
602 2011-01-30 19:04:52 <andrew12^mac> fabianhjr: what.
603 2011-01-30 19:05:00 <molecular> Cusipzzz, can it me a mime-type problem on my image-server
604 2011-01-30 19:05:06 <molecular> s/me/be
605 2011-01-30 19:05:28 <andrew12^mac> molecular: syntax error: expecting /
606 2011-01-30 19:05:28 <Cusipzzz> molecular: maybe, try a clean .gif
607 2011-01-30 19:05:42 <nanotube> andrew12^mac: haha
608 2011-01-30 19:05:59 <molecular> s/s/me/be/s/me/be
609 2011-01-30 19:06:26 <nanotube> molecular: syntax error: wtf?
610 2011-01-30 19:06:27 <nanotube> hehe
611 2011-01-30 19:06:48 <Kiba> I think we will reach .50 soon
612 2011-01-30 19:07:11 <molecular> but it will not go beyond 0.51 for quite a while
613 2011-01-30 19:08:23 <Kiba> woohoo
614 2011-01-30 19:08:37 <Kiba> I have 317.8968 equvalient worth of saving
615 2011-01-30 19:08:55 <Kiba> USD, excuse me
616 2011-01-30 19:10:44 <molecular> I hope you dont have to sell it
617 2011-01-30 19:11:04 <molecular> syntax error? I don't get it
618 2011-01-30 19:12:10 <nanotube> molecular: man sed :)
619 2011-01-30 19:16:46 <molecular> /s// ?
620 2011-01-30 19:19:11 <hacim> slush: on the hour?
621 2011-01-30 19:19:22 <slush> hacim: yep
622 2011-01-30 19:19:32 <hacim> slush: hm, because i didn't get mine
623 2011-01-30 19:19:41 <hacim> even though I passed the threshold
624 2011-01-30 19:20:13 <slush> did you receive email?
625 2011-01-30 19:20:23 <slush> (if you have payout emails allowed)
626 2011-01-30 19:21:22 <hacim> slush: i have not ever, but I dont know where I set that :)
627 2011-01-30 19:21:27 <hacim> err, I mean set my email address
628 2011-01-30 19:21:42 <slush> well, what's your nick? hacim?
629 2011-01-30 19:21:51 <hacim> slush: 'micah'
630 2011-01-30 19:23:55 <slush> and what's your current balance?
631 2011-01-30 19:24:09 <slush> confirmed
632 2011-01-30 19:24:31 <hacim> aha
633 2011-01-30 19:24:43 <hacim> so the payout is only based on the confirmed, I should have known that
634 2011-01-30 19:24:47 <hacim> nevermind then
635 2011-01-30 19:24:50 <slush> ok :)
636 2011-01-30 19:25:26 <andrew12^mac> hmm
637 2011-01-30 19:25:47 <andrew12^mac> the wallet files are compatible with each other regardless of os, right?
638 2011-01-30 19:25:56 <ArtForzZz> yup
639 2011-01-30 19:26:15 <andrew12^mac> so if i were to use linux and symlink .bitcoin to %APPDATA%/Bitcoin on my windows hdd, it would work fine on both?
640 2011-01-30 19:26:39 <andrew12^mac> and the block files, of course
641 2011-01-30 19:28:34 <andrew12^mac> heh
642 2011-01-30 19:32:51 <andrew12^mac> brb
643 2011-01-30 19:35:54 <andrew12> hi
644 2011-01-30 19:36:37 <molecular> wow, the 2 card on my 5970 have differing bios checksums
645 2011-01-30 19:37:00 <ArtForzZz> yes, they're different
646 2011-01-30 19:37:39 <molecular> oh my, life just get simpler ;)
647 2011-01-30 19:37:44 <molecular> insert "wont"
648 2011-01-30 19:37:55 <andrew12> heh
649 2011-01-30 19:38:14 <ArtForzZz> second GPU doesnt have VGA mode (it has no video outputs at all) and doesnt have a VRM controller for memory attached (2nd GPU mem is fed from 1st GPU mem VRM)
650 2011-01-30 19:38:41 <molecular> does this mean both connectors (not that I use them) go to 1 card?
651 2011-01-30 19:38:47 <ArtForzZz> ?
652 2011-01-30 19:39:06 <molecular> master slave style
653 2011-01-30 19:39:12 <ArtForzZz> yep
654 2011-01-30 19:39:14 <ArtForzZz> all video outputs are connected to GPU#1 aka master
655 2011-01-30 19:39:15 <molecular> hmm
656 2011-01-30 19:39:22 <molecular> that's what I meant
657 2011-01-30 19:39:39 <andrew12> fun fun fun
658 2011-01-30 19:39:39 <molecular> allright, and to control V on both, I will have to mod 2 bioses
659 2011-01-30 19:39:41 <molecular> ?
660 2011-01-30 19:39:42 <andrew12> running i2p and tor :D
661 2011-01-30 19:39:46 <ArtForzZz> yep
662 2011-01-30 19:39:48 <hacim> slush: so where do I set my email address?
663 2011-01-30 19:40:08 <ArtForzZz> changing core voltage for 5970 in RBE is pretty simple
664 2011-01-30 19:40:11 <molecular> will the master gpu always be device #0 on linux?
665 2011-01-30 19:40:13 <slush> hacim: you registered with email...
666 2011-01-30 19:40:20 <hacim> ah ok
667 2011-01-30 19:40:27 <hacim> but I can't change it, eh?
668 2011-01-30 19:40:33 <molecular> then I'm asking: why the f..ck they used the less good chip as master
669 2011-01-30 19:40:39 <slush> can't for now
670 2011-01-30 19:42:59 <molecular> ArtForzZz, on XP, do you use the techpowerup bios editor or the RaBiT bios editor?
671 2011-01-30 19:43:00 <andrew12> hmm
672 2011-01-30 19:43:13 <andrew12> i wonder if its possible to have mirc only use a proxy for _some_ connections
673 2011-01-30 19:43:30 <ArtForzZz> techpowerup RBE
674 2011-01-30 19:45:33 <ArtForzZz> fire up RBE, load bios, go to click settings "tab", click "GPU registers", change 0x18 to whatever Core V you want, hit OK, Save bios to new name
675 2011-01-30 19:46:49 <ArtForzZz> reg 0x15 is for 157 core clock, 0x16 for 400, 0x17 for 550 and 0x18 for 725
676 2011-01-30 19:47:27 <ArtForzZz> I got my cards more stable by setting 0x17 value == 0x18
677 2011-01-30 19:47:59 <ArtForzZz> probably because when card throttles because VRMs are too hot, it switches to 550 core
678 2011-01-30 19:48:16 <slush> ArtForzZz: I thought you're using cards on default voltage, aren't you?
679 2011-01-30 19:48:23 <ArtForzZz> well, now I am
680 2011-01-30 19:48:38 <ArtForzZz> I used to run 1.15 V core until one of my cards blew up a VRM
681 2011-01-30 19:49:15 <andrew12> hehe
682 2011-01-30 19:49:54 <slush> btw is card with higher voltage really worse in mhash/W than with default voltage?
683 2011-01-30 19:50:10 <ArtForzZz> yes, by quite a bit
684 2011-01-30 19:50:12 <molecular> maybe I have newer version (rbe v1.27), doesn't say "0x15", but "Clock info 00" instead...
685 2011-01-30 19:50:20 <ArtForzZz> probably
686 2011-01-30 19:50:21 <slush> I think rise in Mhash should be proportional by voltage
687 2011-01-30 19:50:24 <ArtForzZz> I used 1.25 I think
688 2011-01-30 19:50:27 <ArtForzZz> nope
689 2011-01-30 19:50:41 <andrew12> huh
690 2011-01-30 19:50:42 <Babylon> quick question, can anyone tell me when Satoshi published the initial paper on bitcoins?
691 2011-01-30 19:50:59 <ArtForzZz> my cards avg 325W at the plug and >830Mhz clock @ stock V
692 2011-01-30 19:51:24 <ArtForzZz> @ 1.15, I got 910Mhz avg clock and 390W at the plug
693 2011-01-30 19:51:38 <molecular> "at the plug"? with just the psu + the card ?
694 2011-01-30 19:51:45 <ArtForzZz> whole box
695 2011-01-30 19:51:53 <xelister> FLASH NEWS
696 2011-01-30 19:51:55 <xelister> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
697 2011-01-30 19:51:59 <molecular> oh god, I might run into trouble... only have 350W psu.
698 2011-01-30 19:51:59 <xelister> ATI continues to suck cocks in hell
699 2011-01-30 19:52:09 <slush> ArtForzZz: thanks for numbers
700 2011-01-30 19:52:11 <xelister> with its shitty crashing hanging and restarting driver
701 2011-01-30 19:52:22 <ArtForzZz> so efficiency is a lot worse at 1.15
702 2011-01-30 19:53:24 <ArtForzZz> 2.55MHz/W stock, 2.33MHz/W @ 1.15
703 2011-01-30 19:53:42 <ArtForzZz> couldnt really test 1.1625V, cards kept throttling
704 2011-01-30 19:53:54 <Babylon> pretty please can someone tell me?  I'm doing a presentation on bitcoin and i need to cite the paper correctly
705 2011-01-30 19:54:42 <ArtForzZz> close to bottom left corner is the "GPU registers" button
706 2011-01-30 19:54:49 <Cusipzzz> Babylon: the pdf id on the forums, did you search ?
707 2011-01-30 19:54:50 <molecular> the first row is prefilled with 725/1000/1.05 157/300/0.95 440/1000/1.038 ...
708 2011-01-30 19:54:53 <ArtForzZz> you dont need to change anything in the clock/voltage tables
709 2011-01-30 19:54:58 <molecular> oh
710 2011-01-30 19:55:13 <ArtForzZz> well, in the main clock/voltage tables
711 2011-01-30 19:55:26 <molecular> it's a 3-dim table
712 2011-01-30 19:55:47 <molecular> are these like "profiles"?
713 2011-01-30 19:55:52 <ArtForzZz> yeah
714 2011-01-30 19:55:58 <ArtForzZz> they're the various "performance states"
715 2011-01-30 19:56:09 <molecular> allright, that's the columns, right?
716 2011-01-30 19:56:11 <Babylon> I found the PDF CUS,  i just can't find a date of publication
717 2011-01-30 19:56:23 <molecular> 725, 157, 550, 400, 400 (GPU Mhz)
718 2011-01-30 19:56:41 <Cusipzzz> it's not in the pdf?
719 2011-01-30 19:56:45 <ArtForzZz> it's GPU MHz/mem Mhz/GPU voltage
720 2011-01-30 19:56:53 <ArtForzZz> no need to change anything there really
721 2011-01-30 19:56:57 <andrew12> hm
722 2011-01-30 19:57:05 <molecular> where can I make a sensible change?
723 2011-01-30 19:57:19 <andrew12> using the estimated network hashrate, can you estimate how much power is being used on bitcoin?
724 2011-01-30 19:57:19 <ArtForzZz> <ArtForzZz> close to bottom left corner is the "GPU registers" button
725 2011-01-30 19:57:34 <molecular> ah!
726 2011-01-30 19:57:35 <Babylon> I didn't see it in there anywhere
727 2011-01-30 19:57:36 <molecular> ok
728 2011-01-30 19:57:51 <necrodearia> http://www.youtube.com/user/stefbot#p/u/14/RuVuMslQWGs is so powerfully epic
729 2011-01-30 19:58:04 <necrodearia> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3052 (offtopic)
730 2011-01-30 19:58:40 <molecular> ArtForzZz, so how about I change the 0x18-value to 1.10 from 1.05?
731 2011-01-30 19:58:48 <ArtForzZz> yup
732 2011-01-30 20:04:56 <molecular> I better do this on both cards in paralles to save time
733 2011-01-30 20:05:01 <davout> hey all
734 2011-01-30 20:05:35 <molecular> grrr, "Error writing sub vendor ID." when I try to save the bios? do I need some vendor private key???
735 2011-01-30 20:05:51 <ArtForzZz> errr. no
736 2011-01-30 20:05:54 <davout> gavinandresen: ping
737 2011-01-30 20:06:54 <molecular> duh. start rbe -> load bios -> save bios -> "error writing sub vendor ID"
738 2011-01-30 20:08:17 <ArtForzZz> weird
739 2011-01-30 20:24:03 <ArtForzZz> eww
740 2011-01-30 20:28:19 <devon_hillard> It's summertime! http://i.imgur.com/XtmMe.jpg (slightly nsfw)
741 2011-01-30 20:30:27 <mrb_> davout: https://bitcoin-central.net/account/trade_orders/book someone is selling 69.1318 BTC at 0.43 LRUSD, another is buying 301.0000 BTC at the same price. why does the trade not seem to occur?
742 2011-01-30 20:31:59 <mrb_> oh I was under the impression you claimed to have fixed the bug. but you are still working on it... nm
743 2011-01-30 20:33:02 <lyspooner> blockexplorer says that the bitcoin address listed on wikipedia hasn't had any transactions thus far.  i think we should replace it with an address for the bitcoin faucet
744 2011-01-30 20:33:44 <molecular> "Das du beim speichern diese Fehlermeldung bekommst liegt wahrscheinlich daran das deine Vendors (Haupt&Sub) nicht richtig ausgelesen werden.. "
745 2011-01-30 20:33:47 <molecular> wtf
746 2011-01-30 20:34:43 <molecular> vendor read from bios is 0x0000
747 2011-01-30 20:34:50 <ArtForzZz> that sounds wrong
748 2011-01-30 20:34:56 <ArtForzZz> maybe try RBE 1.25?
749 2011-01-30 20:35:02 <lyspooner> wait a sec...the address on wikipedia doesn't even look valid: 1rYK1YzEGa59pI314159KUF2Za4jAYYTd....aren't capital I's not part of valid bitcoin addresses?
750 2011-01-30 20:35:06 <molecular> yeah, thought that, too
751 2011-01-30 20:35:23 <davout> mrb_: yes
752 2011-01-30 20:35:35 <molecular> hmmm, if I just put some random vendor (other than 0x0000), svaing it works
753 2011-01-30 20:35:48 <davout> the bug is happening because BC balance and the balance in the bitcoin client sense are different
754 2011-01-30 20:35:48 <molecular> what's the most generic vendor you can think of?
755 2011-01-30 20:36:18 <molecular> 0x1360 meinberg funkuhren gmbh & ko. kg ?
756 2011-01-30 20:36:21 <davout> and that is because everything is rounded at two decimal places, even in accounts moves, which is totally not cool with me :)
757 2011-01-30 20:36:26 <molecular> I'll use that
758 2011-01-30 20:36:31 <molecular> can that fry my card, ArtForzZz
759 2011-01-30 20:36:37 <davout> so it's bitcoin's fault, not mine hehe
760 2011-01-30 20:36:59 <davout> working on a patch for the client and i'll disable accounts tracking in BC until its better managed
761 2011-01-30 20:37:39 <molecular> this is fun
762 2011-01-30 20:38:23 <molecular> hmmm, on second card's bios it says vendor 0x1002 - ATI
763 2011-01-30 20:38:37 <molecular> damn, maybe the dump of the first card's bios went wrong...
764 2011-01-30 20:39:04 <ArtForzZz> soudns liek it
765 2011-01-30 20:39:13 <molecular> I will dump once more and diff, just to be safe
766 2011-01-30 20:44:02 <molecular> dumped card0 bios once more, no diff
767 2011-01-30 20:44:06 <molecular> grrr
768 2011-01-30 20:50:04 <molecular> phew
769 2011-01-30 20:50:46 <sipa> isn't it yet?
770 2011-01-30 20:50:51 <mrb_> Feb 1st.
771 2011-01-30 20:51:06 <mrb_> davout will release it at this date.
772 2011-01-30 20:51:11 <sipa> https://github.com/davout/bitcoin-central
773 2011-01-30 20:51:23 <sipa> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2721.0
774 2011-01-30 20:51:42 <Kiba> look like mrb_ is a bit outdated
775 2011-01-30 20:52:37 <mrb_> oh I never saw that, cool
776 2011-01-30 20:53:09 <davout> mrb??_: haha
777 2011-01-30 20:53:20 <sipa> molecular: what card, OC, psu?
778 2011-01-30 20:54:46 <davout> mrb: feel like coding some rails ? :D
779 2011-01-30 20:55:31 <mrb_> hmm you may want to make your user password hashing more secure. you have a salt but you don't do password iteration/stretching (eg. re-hashing 1000 times)
780 2011-01-30 20:55:58 <molecular> cheap 350W psu
781 2011-01-30 20:55:59 <molecular> sipa, it's a 5970 which I just put new 1.1V bios onto
782 2011-01-30 20:56:05 <molecular> sipa, booted fine and started mining
783 2011-01-30 20:56:13 <citizen> so as long as the miner says "accepted" then it is a good block?
784 2011-01-30 20:56:15 <molecular> sipa, then I put the clocks to 800Mhz
785 2011-01-30 20:56:22 <molecular> sipa, -> instant shutdown ;)
786 2011-01-30 20:56:24 <citizen> meaning - i have not overclocked too much :)
787 2011-01-30 20:56:34 <sipa> citizen: pool or local?
788 2011-01-30 20:56:38 <citizen> pool
789 2011-01-30 20:57:05 <davout> mrb: yea, i heard about those hashing methods, isn't bcrypt doing that ?
790 2011-01-30 20:57:09 <mrb_> davout: I was looking at this part of the code to decide how secure I should make my bitcoin-central password
791 2011-01-30 20:57:14 <mrb_> yes bcrypt does it
792 2011-01-30 20:57:40 <ArtForzZz> molecular: yup, overloaded PSU
793 2011-01-30 20:57:46 <davout> mrb: also it's a consensus in the bitcoin community that SHA2 is secure :)
794 2011-01-30 20:58:27 <lfm> davout so far
795 2011-01-30 20:58:28 <mrb_> not for pw hashing.
796 2011-01-30 20:58:41 <dirtyfilthy> block locators: how do they work?
797 2011-01-30 20:59:17 <lyspooner> sorry for laziness, but can someone point me to discussion about the 400,000 block that went through not too long ago?
798 2011-01-30 20:59:25 <mrb_> a 4x5970 machine could bruteforce bitcoin-central's user password hashes at 5 billion per second or so
799 2011-01-30 20:59:31 <andrew12> ;;bc,channelstats
800 2011-01-30 20:59:31 <gribble> Error: "bc,channelstats" is not a valid command.
801 2011-01-30 20:59:35 <andrew12> ;;channelstats
802 2011-01-30 20:59:36 <gribble> On #bitcoin-dev there have been 235215 messages, containing 10523084 characters, 1876507 words, 11124 smileys, and 641 frowns; 2963 of those messages were ACTIONs.  There have been 14848 joins, 839 parts, 13885 quits, 4 kicks, 201 mode changes, and 13 topic changes.  There are currently 156 users and the channel has peaked at 158 users.
803 2011-01-30 21:00:23 <lyspooner> or just save me time if it was you ArtForzZz
804 2011-01-30 21:00:49 <ArtForzZz> ?
805 2011-01-30 21:00:58 <sipa> citizen: if the miner says accepted, it means that the pool counted it as a share
806 2011-01-30 21:01:09 <davout> mrb: yea, i guess i should change that, i was also thinking of auto-banning IPs that appear to indulge in brute-forcing :)
807 2011-01-30 21:01:26 <sipa> molecular: 800MHz, that's really not much...
808 2011-01-30 21:01:32 <citizen> thanks
809 2011-01-30 21:01:34 <citizen> im getting 175 mhash/s from my 5770
810 2011-01-30 21:01:36 <citizen> not too shabby
811 2011-01-30 21:01:38 <x6763> mrb_: I think sha2 is secure for password hashing as long as you're using a unique salt for each password and the password is not a poorly chosen one
812 2011-01-30 21:01:44 <davout> mrb: i guess you're assuming here that the DB has been compromised and evaluating the risk of your unqiue pw being found right ?
813 2011-01-30 21:01:49 <x6763> dirtyfilthy: what do you mean by "block locator"?
814 2011-01-30 21:02:22 <davout> fuck yes, i just fixed a bug in bitcoin :D
815 2011-01-30 21:02:34 <mrb_> x6763: it's more secure than most hashing methods, but not secure enough because it makes bruteforcing too easy ("5 Ghash/s")
816 2011-01-30 21:02:36 <ArtForzZz> pfff
817 2011-01-30 21:02:41 <mrb_> that's why you have md5crypt or bcrypt
818 2011-01-30 21:02:50 <ArtForzZz> Adapter 0 - ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series
819 2011-01-30 21:02:50 <citizen> i hate goddamned OEM computers
820 2011-01-30 21:03:14 <ArtForzZz> 225.07Mhps
821 2011-01-30 21:03:20 <davout> ArtForzZz: this is like bitcoin porn to my eyes
822 2011-01-30 21:03:26 <citizen> Dell Inspiron 560s don't have an option of which graphics adapter you'd like to use (ie. integrated or add-on)
823 2011-01-30 21:03:36 <molecular> ArtForzZz, a psu have a fuse?
824 2011-01-30 21:03:37 <ArtForzZz> and yes, thats at stock voltage
825 2011-01-30 21:03:43 <citizen> so when you pop in a card, it automatically disables integrated graphics
826 2011-01-30 21:03:50 <davout> oops, i thought that was on a 5900 series
827 2011-01-30 21:03:57 <mrb_> davout: yes of course this assumes the hashes have been compromised. it happens too frequently. in the last month you have had the password databases of gawker, apache, some other financial website, etc
828 2011-01-30 21:04:04 <ArtForzZz> nah, 5770
829 2011-01-30 21:04:05 <mrb_> that have all been hacked and leaked
830 2011-01-30 21:04:18 <molecular> ArtForzZz, well firstly, before I unscrew my shit, thanks for guiding me thorugh the bios-procedures...!
831 2011-01-30 21:04:24 <ArtForzZz> to hit 1GHz+ on a 5970 you need ~1.3V core and watercooling
832 2011-01-30 21:05:05 <molecular> 1GHz+ on a 5970? ati-config "only" offers up to 1Ghz
833 2011-01-30 21:05:33 <ArtForzZz> RBE, last tab
834 2011-01-30 21:05:43 <dirtyfilthy> x6763: i'm not entirely sure, but there's a block locator object in the bitcoin source, and you can send multiple start hashes with getblocks which has something to do with this.
835 2011-01-30 21:05:46 <ArtForzZz> 5770 only goes to 960 with stock bios
836 2011-01-30 21:05:46 <molecular> maybe I should've been content with 620mhps
837 2011-01-30 21:05:55 <ArtForzZz> watercooler overvolted 5770s can hit 1.2G
838 2011-01-30 21:05:59 <ArtForzZz> *GHz
839 2011-01-30 21:06:09 <molecular> and 5970s?
840 2011-01-30 21:06:24 <x6763> dirtyfilthy: ah, i'm not sure then, either
841 2011-01-30 21:06:28 <molecular> and ArtASICs?
842 2011-01-30 21:06:53 <ArtForzZz> a lot less :P
843 2011-01-30 21:07:05 <sipa> for way less power, though
844 2011-01-30 21:07:08 <ArtForzZz> yep
845 2011-01-30 21:07:29 <sipa> 12W was it?
846 2011-01-30 21:07:42 <ArtForzZz> 12W taking VRM and PSU losses into account
847 2011-01-30 21:07:43 <molecular> ArtForz: you said having >50% of net performance, you're actively competing against yourself... did you think about reselling?
848 2011-01-30 21:07:49 <dirtyfilthy> x6763: it's something to do with resolving block chain forks and finding the common block in the chain when someone presents you with a block you don't have the previou block for
849 2011-01-30 21:08:11 <molecular> I would definitely buy on rackfull of ArtASICs
850 2011-01-30 21:08:16 <molecular> *one
851 2011-01-30 21:08:23 <molecular> sorry, one unit
852 2011-01-30 21:08:31 <ArtForzZz> you couldnt afford a rack of em :P
853 2011-01-30 21:08:35 <molecular> 96 ArtASICS
854 2011-01-30 21:08:40 <molecular> hehe
855 2011-01-30 21:08:46 <molecular> no fucking way
856 2011-01-30 21:09:03 <molecular> not even you could...
857 2011-01-30 21:09:09 <molecular> that'd be like 10.000
858 2011-01-30 21:09:20 <molecular> hmm, wait, no
859 2011-01-30 21:09:24 <sipa> no?
860 2011-01-30 21:09:29 <ArtForzZz> 100
861 2011-01-30 21:09:30 <x6763> dirtyfilthy: i see...i haven't done anything with that...i probably will be soon...at the moment i'm messing with creating transactions to spend coins, and i'm modifying some of my scripting code so it can see what *kind* of script it needs to work with when creating the new scriptSig
862 2011-01-30 21:09:33 <ArtForzZz> = 20Ghps
863 2011-01-30 21:09:37 <molecular> he told me first flush is 100
864 2011-01-30 21:09:45 <sipa> oh right
865 2011-01-30 21:09:47 <TD> x6763: i'm [mike] in the forum. good luck
866 2011-01-30 21:09:55 <TD> x6763: block locator is just a list of block hashes
867 2011-01-30 21:09:56 <ArtForzZz> which hopefully will net me enough working modules to build 3 1U boxes @ 32 chips
868 2011-01-30 21:10:10 <TD> more of them are from the head of the chain than the start. it thins out exponentially
869 2011-01-30 21:10:20 <dirtyfilthy> x6763: ah yeah sweet, i can now verify transactions too thanks to ECDSAwithNone
870 2011-01-30 21:10:28 <ArtForzZz> = one rack would be ~260Ghps and ~16kW
871 2011-01-30 21:10:34 <x6763> TD: ah, you're [mike]...i never would have connected TD with [mike].  and thanks!
872 2011-01-30 21:10:37 <necrodearia> Are there any bitcoin users here that have their own Internet radio talk show or similar?
873 2011-01-30 21:10:43 <slush> ArtForzZz: Any way to sell your ASIC cards for others?
874 2011-01-30 21:10:47 <slush> ArtForzZz: later...
875 2011-01-30 21:10:51 <Kiba> Bruce Wagner, necrodearia
876 2011-01-30 21:10:56 <TD> x6763: np
877 2011-01-30 21:10:58 <x6763> dirtyfilthy: cool!
878 2011-01-30 21:11:02 <necrodearia> Kiba: Does he use IRC?
879 2011-01-30 21:11:19 <TD> x6763: yes i have various names around the net. never found a good unique one i liked.
880 2011-01-30 21:11:22 <Kiba> don't think so
881 2011-01-30 21:11:24 <dirtyfilthy> TD: ah right, so it just goes further and further back until it finds a common ancestor?
882 2011-01-30 21:11:27 <TD> yes
883 2011-01-30 21:11:34 <dirtyfilthy> ok thanks, gotcha
884 2011-01-30 21:11:56 <Kiba> we're all decendent of some backwater African tribe
885 2011-01-30 21:12:04 <dirtyfilthy> TD: thanks for you forum posts btw, i found them very informative and helpful
886 2011-01-30 21:12:33 <TD> no problem. i wish i could release my own code, was hoping to be the first to the finish line with an android client, heh. for now all i can do is egg you guys on.
887 2011-01-30 21:12:47 <TD> but your code looks quite similar to mine
888 2011-01-30 21:13:03 <TD> so i'm happy to know i'll have an android app soon regardless of who does it
889 2011-01-30 21:13:18 <x6763> mine's not for android, but i think cdecker is writing one in addition to you guys
890 2011-01-30 21:13:36 <TD> yeah was talking to chris for a while
891 2011-01-30 21:13:54 <Kiba> all are trying to compete for the android prize?
892 2011-01-30 21:14:06 <dirtyfilthy> heh i just want another client