1 2011-02-01 00:03:50 <necrodearia> Is anyone available to test a website for use/functionality?
  2 2011-02-01 00:04:41 <necrodearia> http://witcoin.com:2982/
  3 2011-02-01 00:04:43 <draginx> sure?
  4 2011-02-01 00:04:57 <slush> necrodearia: what with pizza 4 btc?
  5 2011-02-01 00:05:03 <draginx> uhm mind if i be a dick for a quick second? the color theme on this is not that great
  6 2011-02-01 00:05:08 <draginx> u can buy pizza with btc?! :P
  7 2011-02-01 00:05:11 <necrodearia> slush, nothing, pizza4btc is all alone for the moment
  8 2011-02-01 00:05:18 <slush> colors are horrible :)
  9 2011-02-01 00:05:23 <necrodearia> slush, I will tend to it before it suicides.
 10 2011-02-01 00:05:27 <necrodearia> slush, Oh?
 11 2011-02-01 00:05:41 <slush> witcoin...
 12 2011-02-01 00:05:46 <draginx> whats the purpose of witcoin?
 13 2011-02-01 00:06:03 <necrodearia> draginx, the purpose is to make all your wildest dreams come true
 14 2011-02-01 00:06:30 <andrew12> draginx: its like reddit, but an upvote costs 1 btc ;)
 15 2011-02-01 00:06:46 <slush> necrodearia: I think buying pizza for btc in way you proposed is really good idea. Too bad it is dead
 16 2011-02-01 00:07:14 <nanotube> slush: if you help out, it can revive.
 17 2011-02-01 00:07:34 <draginx> andrew12: an *entire* BTC?! meh
 18 2011-02-01 00:07:42 <andrew12> heh
 19 2011-02-01 00:08:17 <dirtyfilthy> why would you pay that much to upvote?
 20 2011-02-01 00:08:38 <draginx> I mean at least make it *start out* at 0.01 then go up on frontpage news :P
 21 2011-02-01 00:08:44 <draginx> http://pastie.org/private/eo0qwcfag5y1dwtuthaw7w < why am I getting this error? :(
 22 2011-02-01 00:09:03 <nanotube> it doesn't cost 1 whole btc
 23 2011-02-01 00:09:10 <nanotube> it is in fact .01 btc, afaik
 24 2011-02-01 00:09:13 <necrodearia> slush, Ohnoes, it deaded?   ACK!!! Any clerics available?
 25 2011-02-01 00:09:36 <citizen> haha
 26 2011-02-01 00:09:53 <slush> ?
 27 2011-02-01 00:09:54 <citizen> i was a cleric in eq2
 28 2011-02-01 00:10:10 <Diablo-D3> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_bkFIPLIOGL8/TPlPGXnKOJI/AAAAAAAAvec/xTY26-Jiz7M/s1600/funneighbors.jpg
 29 2011-02-01 00:10:12 <necrodearia> slush, There were a few issues I encountered with pizza4btc.  One was excessive bloat using Drupal environment.  It caused the vps to die frequently.
 30 2011-02-01 00:10:26 <necrodearia> In the futrue I will convert to a completely from scratch implementation instead of using drupal.
 31 2011-02-01 00:10:30 <citizen> Ne Plus Ultra
 32 2011-02-01 00:10:36 <andrew12> IN THE FUTRUE!
 33 2011-02-01 00:10:41 <dirtyfilthy> dragnix: why for quote in -I"/data
 34 2011-02-01 00:10:41 <necrodearia> yes, futrue
 35 2011-02-01 00:10:45 <draginx> do i still need to technically install wxWidget?
 36 2011-02-01 00:10:46 <necrodearia> as oppsoed to futfalse
 37 2011-02-01 00:10:49 <andrew12> back to the futrue
 38 2011-02-01 00:10:50 <draginx> even if im not using nogui in order to compile
 39 2011-02-01 00:10:57 <andrew12> necrodearia: fufalse*
 40 2011-02-01 00:11:01 <necrodearia> yes, fufalse
 41 2011-02-01 00:11:12 <andrew12> futrue, fufalse = true, false
 42 2011-02-01 00:11:17 <andrew12> now go write code!
 43 2011-02-01 00:11:18 <andrew12> lol
 44 2011-02-01 00:11:31 <Cusipzzz> these guys have some serious cajones to set min of 1 btc/day min for an ad on a site w/10 pageviews/day
 45 2011-02-01 00:12:22 <draginx> :P
 46 2011-02-01 00:12:24 <Cusipzzz> crazy
 47 2011-02-01 00:14:34 <citizen> lol
 48 2011-02-01 00:17:17 <draginx> but seriously why am I getting that error? :( do u need wxWidget in order to just *compile* bitcoin or no?
 49 2011-02-01 00:30:43 <molecular> dragnix: there's a '"' missing on your commandline
 50 2011-02-01 00:31:01 <molecular> draginx, after -I"/data/users/cripples/bitcoin/deps/include
 51 2011-02-01 00:31:09 <draginx> yeah I know
 52 2011-02-01 00:31:14 <draginx> but like&.thats not where that file is O_o
 53 2011-02-01 00:31:20 <draginx> like i cant edit that or anything about that O_o
 54 2011-02-01 00:32:24 <molecular> I never built bitcoin... but maybe try rerunning the autoconf stuff?
 55 2011-02-01 00:33:14 <draginx> i just added a '"' and its sort of working but getting new errors now
 56 2011-02-01 00:33:14 <molecular> maybe take a look at Makefile and locate the problem
 57 2011-02-01 00:33:34 <draginx> it seems like it stillw ants wxWidget WHY?! gah
 58 2011-02-01 00:33:37 <molecular> how did you add it? where? you said you couldn't influence that, cause it's part of make process
 59 2011-02-01 00:34:09 <draginx> i did it in the makefile.unix file
 60 2011-02-01 00:34:21 <draginx> but i shouldnt have *had* to do that (probably a bug in their current makefile)
 61 2011-02-01 00:35:06 <molecular> now you're getting compiler errors?
 62 2011-02-01 00:36:03 <Kiba> hey guys
 63 2011-02-01 00:36:39 <draginx> molecular: ya its asking for wx :( need to compile that
 64 2011-02-01 00:37:20 <molecular> well, maybe easiest just to get wx
 65 2011-02-01 00:37:35 <molecular> as said, I never built bitcoin, just used binary
 66 2011-02-01 00:38:43 <draginx> yer
 67 2011-02-01 00:38:57 <draginx> for bitcoind u need to compile it :(
 68 2011-02-01 00:39:11 <doublec> it needs wxWindget for the gui
 69 2011-02-01 00:39:17 <doublec> if yo ujust want bitcoind it doesn't need it
 70 2011-02-01 00:39:25 <doublec> just do: make -f makefile.unix bitcoind
 71 2011-02-01 00:41:07 <draginx> god i hate myself, I haaaaad that lol :( sorry [took it off later]
 72 2011-02-01 00:45:17 <draginx> g++: /data/users/cripples/bitcoin/deps/lib/libdb_cxx-4.8.a: No such file or directory
 73 2011-02-01 00:45:22 <draginx> 5.1 doesnt work? :(
 74 2011-02-01 00:53:46 <draginx> http://pastie.org/private/89kwlq3p9gslohwtn4urfg any idea why my libcrypto is not working?
 75 2011-02-01 00:58:07 <MT`AwAy> draginx, add -ldl ?
 76 2011-02-01 00:58:17 <draginx> to where?
 77 2011-02-01 00:58:29 <MT`AwAy> draginx, to the makefile, on a line where you already have -lcrypto
 78 2011-02-01 00:58:36 <MT`AwAy> near the end of the line
 79 2011-02-01 00:58:44 <MT`AwAy> looks like your static libcrypto depends on libdl
 80 2011-02-01 00:59:02 <MT`AwAy> since it's a static lib the dependencies can only be obtained through pkg-config (or by adding them manually)
 81 2011-02-01 01:00:03 <MT`AwAy> to be sure, run: pkg-config --libs libcrypto
 82 2011-02-01 01:00:13 <draginx> http://pastie.org/private/wlnwrbdsc4gijgxqac4hsw got this now
 83 2011-02-01 01:00:15 <draginx> on redhat
 84 2011-02-01 01:00:32 <draginx> -L/usr/kerberos/lib64 -lcrypto -ldl -lz < returned that
 85 2011-02-01 01:00:36 <draginx> so any idea? O-o
 86 2011-02-01 01:00:41 <MT`AwAy> add -lpthread
 87 2011-02-01 01:00:43 <draginx> thats under a diff user ugh
 88 2011-02-01 01:01:05 <MT`AwAy> should cover for that error
 89 2011-02-01 01:01:24 <MT`AwAy> (normally you should add -pthread but I don't remember which var is the right one in bitcoin makefile)
 90 2011-02-01 01:01:30 <draginx> http://pastie.org/private/u1lqn6pkfk5ylic8ma3tw new error :(
 91 2011-02-01 01:03:50 <draginx> i just dont understand why its this hard to compile :S
 92 2011-02-01 01:03:58 <draginx> http://heliacal.net/~solar/bitcoin/bitcoin-linuxbuild.pdf followed these directions
 93 2011-02-01 01:04:24 <draginx> except the svn
 94 2011-02-01 01:04:25 <draginx> i used git
 95 2011-02-01 01:05:10 <doublec> what linux distro?
 96 2011-02-01 01:06:04 <draginx> redhat
 97 2011-02-01 01:06:09 <draginx> 64 bit
 98 2011-02-01 01:12:40 <draginx> doublec: does the distro matter? :S (I mean in terms of my problem)
 99 2011-02-01 01:14:25 <doublec> I was curious because i seem to recall it being painless to build on ubuntiu
100 2011-02-01 01:14:45 <draginx> yaaaa i wish i was on a ubuntu box but im not :(
101 2011-02-01 01:14:53 <draginx> kind of wanted to learn how to compile everything via source too :P meh
102 2011-02-01 01:15:06 <citizen> i seem to be getting a lot lower btc from the pool
103 2011-02-01 01:15:14 <citizen> than the calculator in irc states
104 2011-02-01 01:15:30 <citizen> like half :(
105 2011-02-01 01:15:59 <draginx> how long u been doing?
106 2011-02-01 01:16:01 <[Noodles]> on what timeframe?
107 2011-02-01 01:16:05 <citizen> 2 days
108 2011-02-01 01:16:08 <[Noodles]> lol
109 2011-02-01 01:16:21 <[Noodles]> hashrate?
110 2011-02-01 01:16:26 <citizen> 175k
111 2011-02-01 01:16:31 <doublec> update us in 365 days and see if it's still a problem
112 2011-02-01 01:16:45 <citizen> according to gribbles i should be getting 8 btc/day
113 2011-02-01 01:16:51 <[Noodles]> give it a week or 2, then check again
114 2011-02-01 01:17:02 <citizen> okie
115 2011-02-01 01:17:07 <doublec> the pool had a terrible day yesterday iirc
116 2011-02-01 01:17:09 <doublec> or the day before
117 2011-02-01 01:17:15 <doublec> where it took a *long* time to find blocks
118 2011-02-01 01:18:14 <[Noodles]> i actually went solo yesterday because of increased connection-probs to the pool
119 2011-02-01 01:18:23 <doublec> draginx: on mint linux 10 (an ubuntu variant) 64 bit I just installed libdb4.8++-dev, libboost1.40-all-dev and did the make and it worked fine
120 2011-02-01 01:18:58 <draginx> ugh i wish i had root access im gonna see if i can get my sysadmin on it he gave me a weird hybrid setup meh
121 2011-02-01 01:19:01 <draginx> thanks for ur time :)
122 2011-02-01 01:19:07 <citizen> 5870s just came down a lot on newegg :)
123 2011-02-01 01:20:09 <jgarzik> does diablo and m0mchil miners support connecting to oddball TCP ports such as 8334?
124 2011-02-01 01:20:27 <citizen> i know m0chil's does
125 2011-02-01 01:20:38 <DiabloD3> jgarzik: er, yes?
126 2011-02-01 01:20:46 <DiabloD3> you have to set the port anyhow when not using localhost
127 2011-02-01 01:21:09 <DiabloD3> unless you're using the default, anyways
128 2011-02-01 01:21:19 <citizen> does your computer beep every time someone says diablo? :D
129 2011-02-01 01:21:30 <DiabloD3> no
130 2011-02-01 01:21:39 <DiabloD3> I have a computer dedicated to irc
131 2011-02-01 01:21:41 <Kiba> so guys
132 2011-02-01 01:21:46 <noagendamarket> lol
133 2011-02-01 01:21:48 <Kiba> it's .50 by the end of the month!
134 2011-02-01 01:21:51 <Kiba> WOOHOO!
135 2011-02-01 01:21:58 <DiabloD3> AND MY AXE
136 2011-02-01 01:22:11 <noagendamarket> we nearly reached parity last night...
137 2011-02-01 01:22:24 <Kiba> nearly?
138 2011-02-01 01:22:32 <Kiba> I thought we reached .50 parity?
139 2011-02-01 01:22:36 <noagendamarket> .95 at mt gox
140 2011-02-01 01:22:37 <Cusipzzz> .95
141 2011-02-01 01:22:37 <Kiba> and .90 is like a temporary price
142 2011-02-01 01:23:07 <noagendamarket> well someone bought at that :)-
143 2011-02-01 01:24:10 <Kiba> the market cap is now an estimated 2.7 million dollars!
144 2011-02-01 01:24:23 <draginx> USD or 2.7BTC?
145 2011-02-01 01:24:33 <citizen> USD
146 2011-02-01 01:24:38 <Kiba> http://bitcoinwatch.com/
147 2011-02-01 01:24:43 <citizen> there are like 5.2+ million BTC in circulation
148 2011-02-01 01:25:07 <Kiba> I guess I'll have to lower price of all my future art
149 2011-02-01 01:25:21 <Kiba> to 0.03
150 2011-02-01 01:25:32 <Kiba> now, isn't that nice?
151 2011-02-01 01:26:30 <lfm> ;;bc,totalbc
152 2011-02-01 01:26:31 <gribble> 5279450.00000000
153 2011-02-01 01:27:34 <MT`AwAy> we may need to add a decimal to bitcoin :p
154 2011-02-01 01:27:46 <draginx> lol yer
155 2011-02-01 01:28:31 <lfm> MT`AwAy: what?
156 2011-02-01 01:28:36 <MT`AwAy> (I personally think the market will be back to ~0.3 within a couple of weeks at most, but well)
157 2011-02-01 01:29:10 <MT`AwAy> lfm, right now bitcoin client rounds values to 2 decimals, if value of bitcoin increases we may need to round to 3 decimals or so
158 2011-02-01 01:29:11 <Kiba> exciting time
159 2011-02-01 01:29:15 <draginx> how many confirmations are needed to solidify the transaction?
160 2011-02-01 01:29:25 <MT`AwAy> draginx, 6 is a good number
161 2011-02-01 01:29:40 <draginx> ty :) now to get bitcoind on redhat lol =x no yum package :(
162 2011-02-01 01:29:49 <lfm> why? I hate pennies in rl, why bother with virtual ones
163 2011-02-01 01:30:12 <Cusipzzz> mtgox: double or nothing on my vps renewals that it doesn't hit .3 in next 2 weeks? :)
164 2011-02-01 01:30:19 <Cusipzzz> eerr that was for MT
165 2011-02-01 01:30:22 <MT`AwAy> xD
166 2011-02-01 01:30:52 <Cusipzzz> lol
167 2011-02-01 01:31:19 <Cusipzzz> but i hope you are right, just rly doubt it.
168 2011-02-01 01:31:29 <lfm> seems the total transactions are more significant than the total btc in circulation.
169 2011-02-01 01:31:45 <lfm> Total value of transactions: 2.30407e+07
170 2011-02-01 01:32:04 <Cusipzzz> most can be wash transactions...
171 2011-02-01 01:32:22 <lfm> and it includes change parts
172 2011-02-01 01:34:27 <theymos> andrew12: http://blockexplorer.com/testnet/q
173 2011-02-01 01:34:43 <andrew12> o/
174 2011-02-01 01:36:40 <draginx> totalbc is off theymos O_o
175 2011-02-01 01:36:52 <draginx> ah nvm diff between circulation and nonc-irc
176 2011-02-01 01:37:32 <noagendamarket> http://www.businessinsider.com/intels-billion-dollar-mistake-2011-1   damn thats an  expensive recall
177 2011-02-01 01:38:10 <Kiba> hmm
178 2011-02-01 01:38:31 <Kiba> next major resistance is at .75 BTC
179 2011-02-01 01:39:05 <Kiba> err USD
180 2011-02-01 01:48:04 <draginx> is bitcoin.app suppose to go at 160% CPU?
181 2011-02-01 01:48:36 <lfm> is generating on? how many cores you have?
182 2011-02-01 01:48:46 <draginx> ah yer generating is on (thats normal then ya?)
183 2011-02-01 01:48:53 <draginx> not sur e2 cores i believe
184 2011-02-01 01:49:08 <lfm> should be normal 200% then
185 2011-02-01 01:49:58 <draginx> ah ok thanks :) I'll buy a mining box hah
186 2011-02-01 01:50:16 <Kiba> we're a startup economy!
187 2011-02-01 01:50:21 <Kiba> not a startup company!
188 2011-02-01 01:50:22 <Kiba> get it?
189 2011-02-01 01:52:16 <draginx> Yeah but *I'M* a startup company ;)
190 2011-02-01 01:52:25 <draginx> *nom noms on all BTCs*
191 2011-02-01 01:52:55 <draginx> I'm just gonna colelct all of the BTCs and then delete the wallet or hide the wallet somewhere in the world then make a site called "Where in the world is BitCoinDiego?!" (Diego = wallet name)
192 2011-02-01 01:53:49 <Keefe> good luck collecting even 10% of all bitcoins :)
193 2011-02-01 01:53:54 <Kiba> yeah baby!
194 2011-02-01 01:53:58 <Kiba> GO BITCOIN GO!
195 2011-02-01 01:55:32 <Kiba> noagendamarket: did you email the editor about an advertisment?
196 2011-02-01 01:56:30 <Cusipzzz> Kiba: how much are the ads?
197 2011-02-01 01:57:51 <Kiba> Cusipzzz: we're getting pretty desperate now
198 2011-02-01 01:58:06 <Kiba> it seem that I am able to find ads, while the new editor can't
199 2011-02-01 01:58:10 <Cusipzzz> Kiba: i like the sound of that
200 2011-02-01 01:58:15 <Cusipzzz> :)
201 2011-02-01 01:58:17 <Kiba> Cusipzzz: 25 BTC
202 2011-02-01 01:58:33 <Cusipzzz> hmm, not desperate enough for me, but gl
203 2011-02-01 01:58:42 <Kiba> 20 BTC
204 2011-02-01 01:58:54 <Cusipzzz> not even warm, sadly
205 2011-02-01 01:59:00 <Kiba> 15 BTC
206 2011-02-01 01:59:16 <Cusipzzz> is there a decimal in there? my eyes are bad
207 2011-02-01 01:59:30 <Kiba> 10 BTC
208 2011-02-01 01:59:34 <Cusipzzz> lol
209 2011-02-01 01:59:56 <Kiba> yes or no?
210 2011-02-01 02:00:34 <Cusipzzz> no sorry. was thinking a couple btc only. when you get that desperate, let me know
211 2011-02-01 02:00:47 <Kiba> 9 BTC
212 2011-02-01 02:00:52 <Kiba> remember, you get a full page ads
213 2011-02-01 02:01:03 <Cusipzzz> ;;ud couple
214 2011-02-01 02:01:04 <gribble> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=couple | "hey i gotta a couple of bucks to put on that sack son!" ... buy couple mugs, tshirts and magnets. a pair. Two. Double. ...
215 2011-02-01 02:01:08 <lfm> whats the circulation?
216 2011-02-01 02:01:34 <Kiba> lfm: the price is free..the circulation is usually as the most people I can hawk into reading and then some
217 2011-02-01 02:01:47 <Kiba> Cusipzzz: 5 BTC
218 2011-02-01 02:01:51 <lfm> kiba how many downloads then?
219 2011-02-01 02:02:02 <Kiba> I don't know
220 2011-02-01 02:02:08 <Kiba> ask the editor-in-chief
221 2011-02-01 02:02:10 <Kiba> I am just a writer
222 2011-02-01 02:02:18 <lfm> kiba if you knew it would help you sell ads
223 2011-02-01 02:02:31 <Kiba> Cusipzzz: 3 BTC
224 2011-02-01 02:02:47 <Kiba> yes or no, Cusipzzz?
225 2011-02-01 02:02:52 <Cusipzzz> Kiba: sold
226 2011-02-01 02:03:19 <Cusipzzz> who do i give the text too ?
227 2011-02-01 02:03:28 <MT`AwAy> anyone knows who is Dooglus ?
228 2011-02-01 02:03:44 <luke-jr> dooglus seems intelligent, from what I've seen
229 2011-02-01 02:03:52 <luke-jr> what do you mean "who he is"?
230 2011-02-01 02:03:59 <Cusipzzz> ;;seen sooglus
231 2011-02-01 02:03:59 <gribble> I have not seen sooglus.
232 2011-02-01 02:04:03 <Cusipzzz> ;;seen dooglus
233 2011-02-01 02:04:04 <gribble> dooglus was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 21 hours, 15 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <dooglus> ['hel', 'lo ', 'wor', 'ld!']
234 2011-02-01 02:04:08 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: any ETA on allowing other developers for QBitcoin?
235 2011-02-01 02:04:27 <Kiba> Cusipzzz: email chris200x9@aol.com and tell him that Kiba sent you and that he's not very happy about doing his job
236 2011-02-01 02:04:31 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, he contributed to the wiki, but not participating in contributors award
237 2011-02-01 02:04:36 <Cusipzzz> Kiba: lolol
238 2011-02-01 02:04:48 <Kiba> Cusipzzz: err, your job
239 2011-02-01 02:04:50 <MT`AwAy> maybe I should just send an email to all the non-participating people once I finish computing the participation scores
240 2011-02-01 02:04:53 <Kiba> yeah, that's it
241 2011-02-01 02:04:53 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: I am <.<
242 2011-02-01 02:05:00 <Kiba> his job is to raise as much bitcoin as much possible
243 2011-02-01 02:05:54 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, I got late for QBitcoin because of some local issues (in fact, a lot of issues and stuff I have to manage/fix/etc), so it's probably going to be between mid-feb to end-feb at this rate (depends on how fast the issues I got are resolved)
244 2011-02-01 02:06:24 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: why do contributors need to wait for a release? -.-
245 2011-02-01 02:06:33 <Cusipzzz> Kiba: email sent
246 2011-02-01 02:06:46 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, to avoid starting working on parts of the code I might change completly
247 2011-02-01 02:06:56 <MT`AwAy> (or remove)
248 2011-02-01 02:07:17 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: bad reason IMO :P
249 2011-02-01 02:07:28 <MT`AwAy> just want to establish a stable base framework
250 2011-02-01 02:07:51 <MT`AwAy> I'm not 100% satisfied with the current one, and it took longer than I expected to re-implement ECC
251 2011-02-01 02:08:25 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: nobody is perfect. if nobody else looks at it, chances are when we can later, *someone* will find something to change
252 2011-02-01 02:08:44 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: that is, no framework should be deemed stable until long after it's open to public eyes
253 2011-02-01 02:09:05 <Kiba> woah!
254 2011-02-01 02:09:08 <Kiba> .6
255 2011-02-01 02:09:27 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, yep, but as long as there are bad things so obvious even I can see them, it's still a bit of work
256 2011-02-01 02:09:35 <MT`AwAy> (also it's not stable yet anyway, got more work to do)
257 2011-02-01 02:10:01 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: so why not allow others to look as well, and point things out earlier on?
258 2011-02-01 02:10:11 <draginx> whats qbitcoin?
259 2011-02-01 02:10:19 <luke-jr> draginx: the next generation bitcoin client :p
260 2011-02-01 02:10:25 <draginx> lol :P for mac?!
261 2011-02-01 02:10:37 <luke-jr> draginx: if you compile it probably :P
262 2011-02-01 02:10:46 <draginx> meh hopefully dont need to port it :P
263 2011-02-01 02:10:53 <luke-jr> draginx: it's Qt, no porting required
264 2011-02-01 02:11:11 <MT`AwAy> it's Qt and should be endian neutral
265 2011-02-01 02:11:15 <draginx> ahh figured thats what the q stood for
266 2011-02-01 02:11:18 <MT`AwAy> no wxwidgets, no boost
267 2011-02-01 02:11:29 <MT`AwAy> only Qt, and ltm for BM
268 2011-02-01 02:11:31 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: in the meantime, people like me just are stuck twiddling our fingers trying to fix the ugly C++ client instead of improving the new one :P
269 2011-02-01 02:11:49 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: QCA?
270 2011-02-01 02:11:56 <draginx> Anyone got a big pic of th bitcoin icon?
271 2011-02-01 02:12:03 <luke-jr> draginx: check the forums
272 2011-02-01 02:12:20 <draginx> http://www.howtovanish.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Bitcoin.jpg
273 2011-02-01 02:12:30 <MT`AwAy> QCA ?
274 2011-02-01 02:12:39 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: Qt crypto
275 2011-02-01 02:12:52 <luke-jr> http://delta.affinix.com/qca/
276 2011-02-01 02:12:59 <luke-jr> Qt Cryptographic Architecture (QCA)
277 2011-02-01 02:13:17 <luke-jr> would think this would be a key library for QBitCoin&
278 2011-02-01 02:13:52 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, nope
279 2011-02-01 02:14:05 <MT`AwAy> especially since the most important part, the wallet process, is not using Qt
280 2011-02-01 02:14:11 <luke-jr> <.<
281 2011-02-01 02:14:13 <luke-jr> why not
282 2011-02-01 02:14:49 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: got RPC v1 added in? :p
283 2011-02-01 02:15:08 <MT`AwAy> avoid using huge framework containing unneeded features which may become potential security exploits at a later time, increase portability, and also because it has been requested by a lot of people
284 2011-02-01 02:15:24 <MT`AwAy> also qca license is too restrictive
285 2011-02-01 02:15:47 <MT`AwAy> (or with proprietary software for my own company)
286 2011-02-01 02:15:53 <luke-jr> QCA *is* free software
287 2011-02-01 02:16:06 <MT`AwAy> *GPL restricts freedom of end users
288 2011-02-01 02:16:13 <luke-jr> nope
289 2011-02-01 02:16:17 <luke-jr> GPL doesn't restrict use at all
290 2011-02-01 02:16:41 <luke-jr> not to mention QCA isn't GPL
291 2011-02-01 02:16:48 <MT`AwAy> it's LGPL
292 2011-02-01 02:16:50 <lfm> gpl restrict developers, not users
293 2011-02-01 02:16:55 <MT`AwAy> that's why I said "*GPL"
294 2011-02-01 02:17:12 <MT`AwAy> anyway as much as possible I avoid using anything related to the FSF
295 2011-02-01 02:17:17 <luke-jr> LGPL/GPL restrict distributors, in order to prevent those distributors from restricting end users.
296 2011-02-01 02:17:19 <MT`AwAy> if I had more time I'd finish my os and get rid of linux
297 2011-02-01 02:17:30 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: Qt itself is LGPL
298 2011-02-01 02:17:33 <MT`AwAy> (BSD sucks in term of performances, I got rid of it after a while)
299 2011-02-01 02:17:34 <luke-jr> so you're being hypocritical
300 2011-02-01 02:18:02 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, Qt offers you the ability to buy more freedom if you happen no need some
301 2011-02-01 02:18:06 <MT`AwAy> the FSF steals people's code
302 2011-02-01 02:18:13 <luke-jr> nonsense
303 2011-02-01 02:18:43 <luke-jr> you can *always* buy another license, so long as the copyright holder is alive
304 2011-02-01 02:18:43 <MT`AwAy> take a simple example: a developper of library X has released his code under GPL, and being a nice boy, gave his rights to the FSF
305 2011-02-01 02:18:57 <MT`AwAy> now, he wants to allow me to link his GPL code under BSD, problem: the FSF said no
306 2011-02-01 02:19:00 <andrew12> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
307 2011-02-01 02:19:05 <andrew12> err
308 2011-02-01 02:19:08 <andrew12> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
309 2011-02-01 02:19:10 <andrew12> wtf
310 2011-02-01 02:19:14 <andrew12> oh
311 2011-02-01 02:19:14 <echelon> MT`AwAy, i got my domain :D
312 2011-02-01 02:19:18 <andrew12> the first line starts with /
313 2011-02-01 02:19:20 <andrew12> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgthread-2.0
314 2011-02-01 02:19:20 <MT`AwAy> echelon, yep, I saw
315 2011-02-01 02:19:21 <andrew12> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
316 2011-02-01 02:19:29 <andrew12> sorry for flooding -.-
317 2011-02-01 02:19:31 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: FSF won't even accept copyright assignment unless the code is to become part of their OS
318 2011-02-01 02:19:43 <andrew12> anyone got any help?
319 2011-02-01 02:20:09 <echelon> ooh, so that's why bitcoinmarket.com never works for me when i enter it in the address bar
320 2011-02-01 02:20:12 <hacim> andrew12: you are missing a library
321 2011-02-01 02:20:16 <echelon> it only listens on ssl/443
322 2011-02-01 02:20:16 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, the lib in question is distributed with most linux distributions
323 2011-02-01 02:20:33 <MT`AwAy> andrew12, google likely does
324 2011-02-01 02:20:47 <theymos> gthread is part of glib, I believe.
325 2011-02-01 02:21:04 <luke-jr> in any case, GPL is free software.
326 2011-02-01 02:21:23 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: QBitCoin Wallet support RPC v1 yet?
327 2011-02-01 02:21:32 <MT`AwAy> RPC v1 ?
328 2011-02-01 02:21:41 <luke-jr> https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3028.0 https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3065.0
329 2011-02-01 02:21:43 <Cusipzzz> sigh..not this again :P
330 2011-02-01 02:22:04 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: integer values for bitcoin amounts in JSON-RPC
331 2011-02-01 02:22:27 <lfm> andrew12: prolly missing glib11
332 2011-02-01 02:22:48 <MT`AwAy> the wallet itself has no RPC
333 2011-02-01 02:23:27 <luke-jr> oh
334 2011-02-01 02:23:30 <MT`AwAy> the qbitcoind app (daemon) allows however two kind of JSON-RPC (one is known as "compatibility" or "legacy", the other one is one I called "native" and only use int values)
335 2011-02-01 02:23:54 <andrew12> lfm: thanks :)
336 2011-02-01 02:24:17 <lfm> andrew12: wtg
337 2011-02-01 02:24:21 <luke-jr> see, those of us stuck working on the old-client are reinventing stuff because your development is closed -.-
338 2011-02-01 02:24:22 <draginx> >< god why cant i have a running bitcoind
339 2011-02-01 02:24:26 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, and here the RPC version is not chosen by changing the method name, but the url you post to
340 2011-02-01 02:24:50 <luke-jr> !
341 2011-02-01 02:25:07 <MT`AwAy> :??
342 2011-02-01 02:25:16 <MT`AwAy> post to / => legacy
343 2011-02-01 02:25:20 <luke-jr> tbh, I didn't even see HTTP-related code in the old bitcoin client
344 2011-02-01 02:25:25 <MT`AwAy> it's in boost
345 2011-02-01 02:25:43 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: so again, when will you work openly so we aren't duplicating work? :p
346 2011-02-01 02:26:17 <MT`AwAy> soon enough (I just don't want people to see the ugly things I'm doing right now)
347 2011-02-01 02:27:00 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: what about specs for the RPC at least, so we can add it to the existing forum discussions as an option to consider?
348 2011-02-01 02:27:09 <citizen> does overclocking the memory on GPUs make any difference?
349 2011-02-01 02:27:26 <luke-jr> citizen: maybe makes them fry sooner
350 2011-02-01 02:27:41 <citizen> so it doesn't affect hash rate
351 2011-02-01 02:27:44 <luke-jr> no
352 2011-02-01 02:28:05 <lfm> citizen: for btc mining you can underclock memory and get better efficientcy
353 2011-02-01 02:28:26 <citizen> how does that give better efficiency?
354 2011-02-01 02:28:33 <citizen> you mean power consumption?
355 2011-02-01 02:28:41 <lfm> lower power consumption for the same speed
356 2011-02-01 02:28:58 <luke-jr> haha
357 2011-02-01 02:28:59 <luke-jr> nice
358 2011-02-01 02:29:22 <citizen> that's cool - i will try it right now
359 2011-02-01 02:42:03 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, btw I can see no mention of ECDSA on QCA
360 2011-02-01 02:42:16 <luke-jr> me either
361 2011-02-01 02:42:51 <nanotube> MT`AwAy: so what's going on with the contributors award? :)
362 2011-02-01 02:43:18 <kiba> well I get paid, MT`AwAy?
363 2011-02-01 02:43:24 <kiba> will you put operationfabulous ads?
364 2011-02-01 02:44:14 <MT`AwAy> nanotube, I have one week starting today to finish computing the contributors list and publish it
365 2011-02-01 02:44:26 <MT`AwAy> then once the list is published, the payout will be done within 3 days
366 2011-02-01 02:44:29 <MT`AwAy> all the details are on the page :)
367 2011-02-01 02:44:33 <kiba> did you write a script to compute the contributors list
368 2011-02-01 02:44:34 <MT`AwAy> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bitcoin:Contributors_Award#How_are_winners_decided
369 2011-02-01 02:44:42 <MT`AwAy> kiba, yep, I'm using mediawiki's api for that
370 2011-02-01 02:44:48 <nanotube> MT`AwAy: cool :)
371 2011-02-01 02:45:10 <MT`AwAy> I'll be making test runs during the week to come and tweak the scoring until it looks fair enough
372 2011-02-01 02:46:14 <MT`AwAy> I hope next one will receive more donations
373 2011-02-01 02:50:56 <MT`AwAy> kiba, not sure the official wiki needs to advertise on operation fabulous :p
374 2011-02-01 02:51:08 <kiba> MT`AwAy: publish ads on the wiki
375 2011-02-01 02:51:13 <MT`AwAy> (or maybe you meant the other way around, show ads on the wiki, but that's something I'd like to avoid)
376 2011-02-01 02:54:03 <dirtyfilthy> MT`AwAy: cool idea
377 2011-02-01 02:54:33 <MT`AwAy> dirtyfilthy, which one?
378 2011-02-01 02:54:40 <dirtyfilthy> contributors award
379 2011-02-01 02:54:48 <MT`AwAy> :)
380 2011-02-01 02:56:20 <kiba> I am kinda sad that my fellow libertarians don't join in the bitcoin revolution :(
381 2011-02-01 02:57:11 <MT`AwAy> kiba, sad about?
382 2011-02-01 02:57:24 <kiba> because the economy would already be bigger!
383 2011-02-01 02:57:41 <kiba> but they're just content about complaining and not actually doing anything
384 2011-02-01 02:57:51 <dirtyfilthy> MT`AwAy: can your bot find any bitcoin address on user page or does it have to be in that special format
385 2011-02-01 02:58:10 <Cusipzzz> need to create a puch-card client and ron paul might use it.
386 2011-02-01 02:58:27 <MT`AwAy> dirtyfilthy, it'll try to check address starting with the "Contributors Award participant" string on the same line
387 2011-02-01 02:58:38 <MT`AwAy> if it doesn't find one, it'll search for any valid bitcoin address on the whole page
388 2011-02-01 02:58:41 <lfm> do not fold spindle or mutilate
389 2011-02-01 02:58:51 <dirtyfilthy> oh sweet, good call
390 2011-02-01 02:59:30 <MT`AwAy> the address contains a hash check, so why not use it :p
391 2011-02-01 02:59:41 <noagendamarket> kiba thats what libertarians do   they talk about stuff endlessly
392 2011-02-01 02:59:52 <noagendamarket> its agorists who do the real legwork
393 2011-02-01 02:59:58 <Cusipzzz> ya, don;t want someone swapping in all of their own addresses for everyone on the day of prize award :)
394 2011-02-01 03:00:07 <MT`AwAy> https://stats.bitcoin.it/site/ <- if anyone cares about it I took screenshot of google analytics for the wiki
395 2011-02-01 03:00:09 <noagendamarket> especially with economic  matters
396 2011-02-01 03:00:21 <MT`AwAy> Cusipzzz, the bot also checks who inserted the address on the user page
397 2011-02-01 03:00:35 <Cusipzzz> smart
398 2011-02-01 03:01:26 <MT`AwAy> any edits you didn't do yourself will be ignored :)
399 2011-02-01 03:02:26 <Cusipzzz> takes an angle-shooter to stop an angle-shooter imo
400 2011-02-01 03:02:36 <Cusipzzz> :)
401 2011-02-01 03:03:20 <MT`AwAy> 3rd keyword in search engines bringing people to the wiki: "satoshi nakamoto"
402 2011-02-01 03:08:23 <MT`AwAy> someone arrived on the bitcoin wiki by searching "c# json-rpc http sample"
403 2011-02-01 03:08:48 <MT`AwAy> but not many interesting keywords
404 2011-02-01 03:09:51 <AAA_awright> luke-jr: Also, if you don't like SI prefixes, there's IEC prefixes which is base 1024 (i.e. base 2)
405 2011-02-01 03:10:15 <AAA_awright> For instance, KiB, TiB, etc, as it relates to computer RAM
406 2011-02-01 03:10:37 <lfm> thats the great thing about standards ... there are so many to choose from
407 2011-02-01 03:10:55 <kiba> hey guys
408 2011-02-01 03:11:01 <AAA_awright> So many to chose from *that are actually used*
409 2011-02-01 03:11:10 <kiba> if you need an advertising, I c an build a game that advertise the product for you
410 2011-02-01 03:11:39 <kiba> even put into some discount
411 2011-02-01 03:11:40 <AAA_awright> kiba: http://magnode.org/
412 2011-02-01 03:12:17 <kiba> AAA_awright: how am I supposed to advertise that? it seem to be a generic CMS
413 2011-02-01 03:12:25 <kiba> price is 250 BTC, minimum
414 2011-02-01 03:12:40 <kiba> err
415 2011-02-01 03:12:50 <kiba> it's negotiatable
416 2011-02-01 03:13:06 <AAA_awright> kiba: I was just showing you... What about advertising?
417 2011-02-01 03:13:18 <lfm> so its actually 250 maximum
418 2011-02-01 03:13:20 <kiba> I create games that advertise product/site
419 2011-02-01 03:13:42 <kiba> lfm: wrong, that's just the price I like
420 2011-02-01 03:13:46 <AAA_awright> kiba: I think you'd have a better time working on this CMS but what am I to say
421 2011-02-01 03:13:58 <kiba> AAA_awright: I want to earn bitcoin!
422 2011-02-01 03:14:06 <AAA_awright> kiba: Lots of oppertunity for that here
423 2011-02-01 03:14:21 <AAA_awright> kiba: Actually, I have bounties out... I have to revise it downwards but yeah
424 2011-02-01 03:14:27 <AAA_awright> See http://magnode.org/doc
425 2011-02-01 03:14:44 <AAA_awright> Otherwise, there's lots of commercial oppertunity for selling services around this
426 2011-02-01 03:14:50 <MT`AwAy> an easy way to see that people looking at the bitcoin wiki are mostly geek/tech ppl: http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/1815/bitcoinitbrowser.png
427 2011-02-01 03:15:00 <AAA_awright> kiba: Particularly a blog, website, or data analysis hosting platform
428 2011-02-01 03:15:13 <MT`AwAy> kiba, you create what kind of games? :p
429 2011-02-01 03:15:32 <kiba> I'll create games that advertise products
430 2011-02-01 03:15:34 <kiba> HTML5
431 2011-02-01 03:15:36 <kiba> canvas
432 2011-02-01 03:15:46 <MT`AwAy> ok, so html5/javascript
433 2011-02-01 03:15:59 <MT`AwAy> kind of click'n'point and this kind of thing I guess
434 2011-02-01 03:16:00 <kiba> yup
435 2011-02-01 03:16:13 <MT`AwAy> point'n'click*
436 2011-02-01 03:16:22 <lfm> kiba will be next farmville
437 2011-02-01 03:16:27 <MT`AwAy> got any example of stuff you did ? :D
438 2011-02-01 03:16:38 <kiba> half-ass projects
439 2011-02-01 03:16:45 <kiba> I am still working JStet
440 2011-02-01 03:16:56 <kiba> still working on*
441 2011-02-01 03:17:01 <MT`AwAy> xD
442 2011-02-01 03:17:38 <MT`AwAy> anyway since I added 250 BTC to the bitcoin contributors award I'd first have to re-do my accounting before I take this kind of thing (I don't keep bitcoins)
443 2011-02-01 03:17:44 <luke-jr> AAA_awright: still decimal&
444 2011-02-01 03:17:46 <AAA_awright> kiba: I'm looking for someone to develop a shiny frontend for what I'm working on, have you done any site design? Just a generic CMSy thing
445 2011-02-01 03:18:16 <AAA_awright> luke-jr: Huh? Units don't have bases
446 2011-02-01 03:18:24 <kiba> AAA_awright: I am a web developer..don't know shit about making pretty sites
447 2011-02-01 03:18:27 <AAA_awright> That's why they are called /units/
448 2011-02-01 03:18:33 <kiba> well beginner
449 2011-02-01 03:18:39 <AAA_awright> kiba: Doesn't the former imply the latter?
450 2011-02-01 03:18:41 <luke-jr> AAA_awright: nonsense
451 2011-02-01 03:18:48 <lfm> army units have bases
452 2011-02-01 03:18:53 <AAA_awright> >_<
453 2011-02-01 03:19:01 <kiba> I programmed site
454 2011-02-01 03:19:02 <MT`AwAy> imperial units
455 2011-02-01 03:19:08 <kiba> not design pretty site
456 2011-02-01 03:19:10 <kiba> get the difference?
457 2011-02-01 03:19:13 <AAA_awright> lfm: Actually, army units have posts
458 2011-02-01 03:19:16 <AAA_awright> I think
459 2011-02-01 03:19:26 <lfm> oh air force units?
460 2011-02-01 03:19:38 <luke-jr> AAA_awright: why should one use IEC multipliers/divisors with Tonal numbers?
461 2011-02-01 03:19:44 <kiba> AAA_awright: if you want me to make fancy interface with jquery and stuff, I can do that
462 2011-02-01 03:19:55 <AAA_awright> luke-jr: Ki = 1024 = x400 = o2000 = b10000000000
463 2011-02-01 03:20:00 <luke-jr> 1 KiTBC = 400 TBC. WhyG?
464 2011-02-01 03:20:06 <kiba> I don't know much about jquery but it's javascript, right?
465 2011-02-01 03:20:07 <luke-jr> totally illogical
466 2011-02-01 03:20:31 <kiba> AAA_awright: 210 BTC
467 2011-02-01 03:20:36 <luke-jr> There's nothing wrong with WTBC, etc
468 2011-02-01 03:20:46 <luke-jr> plus, they're native to the Tonal system
469 2011-02-01 03:20:52 <AAA_awright> luke-jr: There's nothing logical or illogical about it, there's no logic involved period... You are talking either about aesthetics or efficency
470 2011-02-01 03:21:09 <luke-jr> AAA_awright: inefficiency over efficiency is illogical :
471 2011-02-01 03:21:30 <kiba> AAA_awright: if you like me writing fancy interface(not designing!), than I'll do it
472 2011-02-01 03:21:59 <luke-jr> AAA_awright: give me one reason to use KiTBC over ??TBC or PTBC
473 2011-02-01 03:22:38 <AAA_awright> luke-jr: It's no different than multiplying numbers by 2 10 times... k means multiplying a number by 10 3 times, it's no different
474 2011-02-01 03:22:57 <AAA_awright> Or rather, by 4, 5 times
475 2011-02-01 03:22:58 <kiba> AAA_awright: yo?
476 2011-02-01 03:23:07 <luke-jr> AAA_awright: except 2, 8, and 16 are far easier to work with than 10
477 2011-02-01 03:23:22 <AAA_awright> luke-jr: It's not 10 it
478 2011-02-01 03:23:24 <AAA_awright> luke-jr: It's not 10 it's 2
479 2011-02-01 03:23:30 <luke-jr> &
480 2011-02-01 03:23:48 <luke-jr> Tonal is base 16(deci)
481 2011-02-01 03:24:17 <AAA_awright> That's like saying "Oh 10000 is such a bad number it has 4 10's in it and not 10 10's"
482 2011-02-01 03:24:21 <kiba> AAA_awright: yo, yo, yo!
483 2011-02-01 03:24:28 <AAA_awright> kiba: Thinking about it, uh
484 2011-02-01 03:24:38 <kiba> if you like the offer, email me?
485 2011-02-01 03:24:52 <kiba> if not but you would like me to do something, email me
486 2011-02-01 03:25:00 <AAA_awright> kiba: Check out my todo list and bounty, see what you know
487 2011-02-01 03:25:13 <luke-jr> AAA_awright: ok, it could be worse than 400, but 10, 100, and 1000 work just fine
488 2011-02-01 03:26:19 <kiba> AAA_awright: I don't know any of that stuff
489 2011-02-01 03:26:40 <kiba> these sound like computer sciency stuff
490 2011-02-01 03:27:11 <AAA_awright> It's really computer science or it's really aesthetic, take your pick
491 2011-02-01 03:27:15 <AAA_awright> :p
492 2011-02-01 03:28:11 <kiba> anyway
493 2011-02-01 03:28:13 <kiba> good night
494 2011-02-01 03:28:17 <kiba> I am tired as fuck
495 2011-02-01 03:30:26 <noagendamarket> I have an idea gentlemen
496 2011-02-01 03:30:42 <noagendamarket> if the internet is cutoff how do you access bitcoin?
497 2011-02-01 03:31:05 <noagendamarket> could we use bitcoin with telephone banking ?
498 2011-02-01 03:31:10 <midnightmagic_> mesh networks. big ones.
499 2011-02-01 03:31:22 <midnightmagic_> and fidonet.
500 2011-02-01 03:31:28 <noagendamarket> the idea is you can ring a number and do transactions
501 2011-02-01 03:31:42 <noagendamarket> http://www.asterisk.org/
502 2011-02-01 03:31:56 <midnightmagic_> like a BBS?
503 2011-02-01 03:32:02 <noagendamarket> sort of
504 2011-02-01 03:32:06 <noagendamarket> telephone banking
505 2011-02-01 03:32:35 <midnightmagic_> but then you're not a participant and you have to trust that someone won't steal all your cash.
506 2011-02-01 03:32:53 <andrew12^droid> Downloading the initial block chain takes forever :p
507 2011-02-01 03:33:06 <noagendamarket> the idea is for emergency use
508 2011-02-01 03:33:12 <noagendamarket> such a egypt
509 2011-02-01 03:33:14 <noagendamarket> lol
510 2011-02-01 03:33:38 <noagendamarket> youd call an international number or something
511 2011-02-01 03:33:55 <luke-jr> you'd have to trust the third party even before the emergency
512 2011-02-01 03:34:02 <noagendamarket> of course
513 2011-02-01 03:34:19 <noagendamarket> it would be something like a bitcoin bank
514 2011-02-01 03:34:20 <luke-jr> AAA_awright: I added your KiTBC/MiTBC/GiTBC ideas to a local edit of https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=Units
515 2011-02-01 03:35:14 <noagendamarket> and where can you smoke it?
516 2011-02-01 03:35:23 <andrew12^droid> Heh
517 2011-02-01 03:35:28 <luke-jr> AAA_awright: KiTBC seems redundant with PTBC, MiTBC with WGTBC, and GiTBC with Tam-TBC
518 2011-02-01 03:35:54 <luke-jr> noagendamarket: TBCG is the smallest possible bitcoin unit
519 2011-02-01 03:36:02 <AAA_awright> It's the other way around, I think... Ki etc is the engineering standard
520 2011-02-01 03:36:41 <AAA_awright> Which no one has ever heard of.
521 2011-02-01 03:36:42 <andrew12^droid> ;;bc,blocks
522 2011-02-01 03:36:43 <gribble> 105602
523 2011-02-01 03:36:54 <luke-jr> AAA_awright: obviously not no one
524 2011-02-01 03:37:23 <luke-jr> AAA_awright: the inventor and system are well-known enough to be notable on Wikipedia, at least
525 2011-02-01 03:37:35 <midnightmagic_> The Bloop is notable too. :)
526 2011-02-01 03:37:37 <luke-jr> midnightmagic_: now you just need to learn it :
527 2011-02-01 03:37:39 <AAA_awright> My browser prints Sindarin characters and it can't print those Tonal characters. (A really unfair comparison because I've had the fonts installed by default for a while)
528 2011-02-01 03:37:50 <luke-jr> wtf is Sindarin?
529 2011-02-01 03:38:01 <MT`AwAy> AAA_awright, the "tonal" chars are missing even from the most global unicode fonts
530 2011-02-01 03:38:07 <AAA_awright> :)
531 2011-02-01 03:38:08 <AAA_awright> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sindarin
532 2011-02-01 03:38:20 <luke-jr> wait, you mean instead of W, ??, P, G even?
533 2011-02-01 03:38:37 <luke-jr> AAA_awright: just because *I've* never heard of it, doesn't mean nobody has :P
534 2011-02-01 03:38:38 <andrew12^droid> All blocks here
535 2011-02-01 03:39:34 <AAA_awright> I shouldn't say Sindarin the character set is actually called Tengwar
536 2011-02-01 03:39:57 <luke-jr> AAA_awright: looks like Sindarin is merely a language, and it's written in Cirth or Tengwar
537 2011-02-01 03:40:03 <luke-jr> both of which have standards that do NOT overlap with Tonal
538 2011-02-01 03:40:16 <AAA_awright> luke-jr: Those just appear to be the unicode superscript characters
539 2011-02-01 03:40:32 <noagendamarket> Klingon is a language as well
540 2011-02-01 03:40:38 <luke-jr> W = ton, ?? = san, P = mill, G = bong
541 2011-02-01 03:40:41 <noagendamarket> Klingon bitcoin lol
542 2011-02-01 03:40:56 <luke-jr> http://www.evertype.com/standards/csur/klingon.html <- Klingon
543 2011-02-01 03:41:08 <luke-jr> http://www.evertype.com/standards/csur/tengwar.html <- Tengwar
544 2011-02-01 03:41:29 <luke-jr> although Tengwar might be moved
545 2011-02-01 03:41:37 <luke-jr> to the Unicode SMP
546 2011-02-01 03:41:46 <noagendamarket> hmm what would a bitcoin address look like written in klingon ? lol
547 2011-02-01 03:42:48 <luke-jr> AAA_awright: so anyway, I don't know why your (apparently broken) Tengwar fonts are using Tonal codepoints instead of Tengwar codepoints
548 2011-02-01 03:43:23 <luke-jr> Tengwar is E000-E07F and Tonal is E9D0-E9EF
549 2011-02-01 03:43:25 <AAA_awright> luke-jr: Wait what? They don't overlap
550 2011-02-01 03:43:26 <luke-jr> close, but not overlapping
551 2011-02-01 03:43:37 <luke-jr> AAA_awright: then what were you saying?
552 2011-02-01 03:43:38 <AAA_awright> Who said they overlap?
553 2011-02-01 03:43:50 <luke-jr> oh, I see
554 2011-02-01 03:43:51 <luke-jr> nm
555 2011-02-01 04:01:59 <jgarzik> preferably diablo or m0mchil miner, but cpuminer are welcome too
556 2011-02-01 04:04:46 <doublec> jgarzik: I can with m0mchil's but it's a low powered gpu - only gets 8,500 khash/sec
557 2011-02-01 04:04:52 <doublec> so won't be much of a contribution
558 2011-02-01 04:05:12 <jgarzik> doublec: I've only tested with cpuminer so far, so even an "it works" is helpful
559 2011-02-01 04:05:36 <doublec> jgarzik: sure, send me the details
560 2011-02-01 04:13:20 <Necr0s> I wish I knew why my m0mchil miner doesn't work.
561 2011-02-01 04:13:32 <Necr0s> It doesn't want to connect to anything.
562 2011-02-01 04:14:11 <Necr0s> If I specify like --host=192.168.23.32 --port=2000, it should try to connect to that host and port, right?
563 2011-02-01 04:14:29 <Necr0s> It never tries.  Just says "Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC".
564 2011-02-01 04:14:39 <doublec> Necr0s: m0mchil's doesn't use the '=' syntax
565 2011-02-01 04:15:10 <doublec> Necr0s: you want: --host foo.com --port 1234 etc
566 2011-02-01 04:15:33 <Necr0s> really
567 2011-02-01 04:15:34 <Necr0s> ?
568 2011-02-01 04:15:38 <doublec> yes
569 2011-02-01 04:15:43 <Necr0s> In --help it shows = being used.
570 2011-02-01 04:16:01 <doublec> heh, so it does. I don't use '=' and it works
571 2011-02-01 04:16:03 <luke-jr> well it's official
572 2011-02-01 04:16:12 <luke-jr> IPv4 is completely depleted.
573 2011-02-01 04:16:42 <doublec> Necr0s: maybe it accepts both
574 2011-02-01 04:17:24 <Necr0s> It doesn't seem to behave any differently if I use the other syntax.
575 2011-02-01 04:17:50 <doublec> have you specified the right username/password?
576 2011-02-01 04:18:20 <Necr0s> I believe so.
577 2011-02-01 04:18:28 <Necr0s> Save as in bitcoin.conf
578 2011-02-01 04:18:32 <Necr0s> same
579 2011-02-01 04:19:16 <Necr0s> It doesn't look like it even tries to make a connection though.
580 2011-02-01 04:20:00 <doublec> can you telnet to that port and see if you can connect?
581 2011-02-01 04:20:51 <Necr0s> Yeah, that works.
582 2011-02-01 05:10:38 <echelon> how does mybitcoin.com now how to redirect to its tor hidden service?
583 2011-02-01 05:12:39 <echelon> now/know
584 2011-02-01 05:20:22 <echelon> if someone sent you a payment to a bitcoin address in a wallet you had not been using, how long should you wait before you receive the payments
585 2011-02-01 05:20:39 <echelon> after restarting bitcoin with the new wallet
586 2011-02-01 05:20:44 <echelon> err..
587 2011-02-01 05:20:46 <echelon> old wallet
588 2011-02-01 05:21:06 <tcatm> a few blocks?
589 2011-02-01 05:23:42 <echelon> but i'm usually able to see at least "0/unconfirmed" almost instantly
590 2011-02-01 05:24:50 <tcatm> you should at least wait for 2 confirmations before sending those coins
591 2011-02-01 05:25:21 <echelon> i know
592 2011-02-01 05:25:48 <echelon> i was just wondering if it matters if you hadn't been using the same wallet for a while
593 2011-02-01 05:27:18 <tcatm> no
594 2011-02-01 05:27:25 <echelon> kk
595 2011-02-01 05:39:21 <Syke> DiabloD3, you on?
596 2011-02-01 05:57:32 <echelon> waited for 3 blocks now.. still nothing -__-
597 2011-02-01 05:58:21 <echelon> blockexplorer shows it was sent
598 2011-02-01 06:02:21 <jgarzik> ok, pool alpha testing registration is up:  http://pool.yyz.us/register.html   After you register a username/password/BTC address, connect using that username/password to http://pool.yyz.us:8334/ with your 'getwork' miner.
599 2011-02-01 06:02:38 <jgarzik> "alpha testing" means... service is definitely not considered reliable yet
600 2011-02-01 06:18:34 <DiabloD3> Syke: yeah
601 2011-02-01 06:25:21 <Syke> wanna help me get a second ati card working?
602 2011-02-01 06:26:06 <Syke> DiabloD3, if I have crossfirex disabled, then it only finds one card. If I have crossfirex enabled, it says it finds both cards, but the cpu gets pegged and the speed isn't double.
603 2011-02-01 06:26:43 <DiabloD3> what driver are you on?
604 2011-02-01 06:27:22 <Syke> catalyst 10.12
605 2011-02-01 06:27:41 <DiabloD3> how are you disabling crossfire?
606 2011-02-01 06:27:54 <Syke> in catalyst
607 2011-02-01 06:31:08 <DiabloD3> that doesnt work
608 2011-02-01 06:31:48 <Syke> so what's the right way to set dual cards up?
609 2011-02-01 06:31:58 <DiabloD3> you have to use sudo aticonfig --initial --adapter=all
610 2011-02-01 06:32:01 <DiabloD3> and then restart X
611 2011-02-01 06:34:22 <Syke> ok, now I get displays on both cards, but Miner only finds one Juniper
612 2011-02-01 06:34:26 <niekie> Bitcoin @ 0.58?? o_O
613 2011-02-01 06:34:56 <DiabloD3> Syke: miner should find both.
614 2011-02-01 06:35:14 <DiabloD3> are you doing export DISPLAY=:0 before running my miner?
615 2011-02-01 06:35:33 <Syke> no
616 2011-02-01 06:35:42 <DiabloD3> try that.
617 2011-02-01 06:36:36 <Syke> that finds 2
618 2011-02-01 06:36:54 <Syke> let's give it a minute to ramp up and see how it looks
619 2011-02-01 06:37:25 <Syke> cpu at 0%, that's good
620 2011-02-01 06:38:16 <Syke> stabilizing at about 250 MH/s. that's about right for this setup. thanks!
621 2011-02-01 06:40:30 <DiabloD3> did you use -w 64?
622 2011-02-01 06:40:51 <Syke> yeah, still 64 for now
623 2011-02-01 06:41:13 <DiabloD3> what cards do you have?
624 2011-02-01 06:41:27 <Syke> dual 5770
625 2011-02-01 06:42:12 <DiabloD3> should be 300
626 2011-02-01 06:42:59 <Syke> -w 256 drops to 30MH/s
627 2011-02-01 06:43:09 <DiabloD3> yeah, -w 256 and the new kernel is deadly.
628 2011-02-01 06:44:48 <Syke> -w 128 seems fine
629 2011-02-01 06:46:10 <DiabloD3> -w 64 is fastest
630 2011-02-01 06:46:20 <DiabloD3> though Im wondering if both 11.1 and 10.12 are broken
631 2011-02-01 06:46:24 <DiabloD3> in two completely different ways
632 2011-02-01 06:47:05 <joe_1> coins up to about 60 cents each- i bet yall are happy
633 2011-02-01 06:47:24 <DiabloD3> lemme see
634 2011-02-01 06:47:37 <echelon> not if you're a buyer :|
635 2011-02-01 06:47:56 <DiabloD3> I have...
636 2011-02-01 06:48:00 <DiabloD3> $127 dollars?!
637 2011-02-01 06:48:06 <DiabloD3> I must be doing my math wrong
638 2011-02-01 06:49:10 <Keefe> you have enough to buy my 5770 now?
639 2011-02-01 06:50:16 <DiabloD3> cant afford it even if I did have the money
640 2011-02-01 07:02:18 <joe_1> 5770? what about 5970's?
641 2011-02-01 07:27:51 <DiabloD3> by masturbating
642 2011-02-01 07:27:58 <DiabloD3> the faster he masturbates, the higher the ghash
643 2011-02-01 07:29:19 <joe_1> yes
644 2011-02-01 07:30:22 <Syke> catalyst control panel doesn't list gpu temps. is there another way I can check my temps?
645 2011-02-01 07:30:57 <DiabloD3> aticonfig --odgt
646 2011-02-01 07:35:17 <tcatm> jgarzik: probably something like sum(numshares)/time
647 2011-02-01 07:48:24 <tcatm> jgarzik: tried connecting to your pool, didn't work reliable at all
648 2011-02-01 07:48:52 <jgarzik> tcatm: what behavior did you see?
649 2011-02-01 07:49:03 <tcatm> i.e. didn't even show the hashmeter (diablo's miner)
650 2011-02-01 07:50:24 <jgarzik> tcatm: hmmm.  I'm not sure what that means...  does that mean turnaround is slow?  getwork is not returning data?
651 2011-02-01 07:51:10 <tcatm> could be. I don't know the source of his miner very well..
652 2011-02-01 07:57:08 <slush> jgarzik: where's the pool source?
653 2011-02-01 07:57:32 <jgarzik> slush: not open
654 2011-02-01 07:58:36 <slush> oh, competition? :)
655 2011-02-01 07:59:30 <jgarzik> slush: I dunno.  Right now, this is just a test...  I do think there should be more pools, but I am not sure I want to run one long term.
656 2011-02-01 07:59:33 <tcatm> it's not really competition. rather loadbalancing ;)
657 2011-02-01 08:03:23 <tcatm> anyone know whether pygtk is portable to win/osx?
658 2011-02-01 08:06:04 <MT`AwAy> it is probably, as both python & gtk are
659 2011-02-01 08:09:48 <opus_> hey guys
660 2011-02-01 08:10:06 <opus_> how much bandwidth does it take (at the minimum) to transfer a bitcoin?
661 2011-02-01 08:10:40 <tcatm> few hundred bytes
662 2011-02-01 08:11:20 <MT`AwAy> the size of the transaction itself, plus some protocol specific things (announce inventory, receive request for content, and send the content itself)
663 2011-02-01 08:12:19 <opus_> can I do it over 9600 baud packet radio?
664 2011-02-01 08:12:36 <MT`AwAy> opus_, you could do it over avian transports too
665 2011-02-01 08:12:41 <opus_> or like shortwave
666 2011-02-01 08:12:43 <MT`AwAy> as long as you don't try to download the whole chain
667 2011-02-01 08:12:59 <MT`AwAy> (ie, receive the chain through a different process)
668 2011-02-01 08:13:13 <MT`AwAy> er
669 2011-02-01 08:13:15 <MT`AwAy> avian carriers*
670 2011-02-01 08:13:17 <MT`AwAy> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carriers
671 2011-02-01 08:13:32 <MT`AwAy> arg, french wikipedia ~ good url: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carriers
672 2011-02-01 08:14:16 <opus_> 64 bytes from 10.0.3.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=6388671.9 ms
673 2011-02-01 08:14:18 <opus_> haha
674 2011-02-01 08:16:06 <opus_> how much bandwidth would it take to download the next chain?
675 2011-02-01 08:16:12 <opus_> sorry I am new to the bitcoin idea
676 2011-02-01 08:16:18 <opus_> is that even neccessary?
677 2011-02-01 08:16:46 <MT`AwAy> the "chain" is a chain, there's no "next chain", instead the chain is made of blocks which are issued every ~10 minutes
678 2011-02-01 08:16:48 <MT`AwAy> ;;bc,stats
679 2011-02-01 08:16:50 <gribble> Current Blocks: 105634 | Current Difficulty: 22012.4941572 | Next Difficulty At Block: 106847 | Next Difficulty In: 1213 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 14 hours, 37 minutes, and 26 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 24379.85627192
680 2011-02-01 08:17:23 <MT`AwAy> the chain is currently ~70MB here
681 2011-02-01 08:17:37 <MT`AwAy> with 105634 blocks
682 2011-02-01 08:17:49 <MT`AwAy> so you can compute the average block size and see if it fits your bandwidth
683 2011-02-01 08:18:04 <opus_> I could download the entire chain beforehand, but what about block updates?
684 2011-02-01 08:18:39 <sipa> you'll download them
685 2011-02-01 08:18:43 <nevezen> what size will the chain be when 50 turns to 25 coin generation?
686 2011-02-01 08:18:46 <sipa> as they come
687 2011-02-01 08:18:56 <sipa> that depends on how popular it will have been by then
688 2011-02-01 08:20:09 <MT`AwAy> [18:18:44] <nevezen> what size will the chain be when 50 turns to 25 coin generation? <- depends on how many transacitons happens in each block
689 2011-02-01 08:20:48 <opus_> so if I can send bitcoin over shortwave, and shortwave can go around the world, I could theoritically send bitcoins to russia and back from USA?
690 2011-02-01 08:21:39 <MT`AwAy> :p
691 2011-02-01 08:22:18 <nevezen> how bout a simple gprs connection in the middle of nowhere? :P
692 2011-02-01 08:26:03 <doublec> nevezen: I use bitcoin over gprs
693 2011-02-01 08:26:30 <DiabloD3> opus_: there is stuff like HAM packet radio
694 2011-02-01 08:26:36 <joe_1> wat is gprs
695 2011-02-01 08:26:39 <doublec> it runs on my phone constantly and sends over gprs, 3g or wifi depending on whats around
696 2011-02-01 08:28:07 <doublec> joe_1: "General Packet Radio Service". Data communications service for 2g gsm phones
697 2011-02-01 08:59:53 <slush> jgarzik: Don't forget that existence of two pools with similar/same algorithm based on share counting can be attacked by miners
698 2011-02-01 09:00:18 <slush> jgarzik: So if your pool become significant in hashpower, we should cooperate to avoid this
699 2011-02-01 09:00:27 <sipa> how do you mean?
700 2011-02-01 09:09:56 <slush> sipa: it was to me?
701 2011-02-01 09:10:13 <jgarzik> one idea I had was updating the miners to properly scan 'target', and then vary target difficulty a bit beyond 32-bit
702 2011-02-01 09:18:31 <sipa> slush: yes
703 2011-02-01 09:19:01 <slush> sipa: there is thread about attacking pools on forum
704 2011-02-01 09:19:33 <slush> sipa: one attack is really possible - miners will switch between two pools, when one of them find a fresh block.
705 2011-02-01 09:19:40 <doublec> not so much as attacking but using multiple pools for your advantage
706 2011-02-01 09:20:11 <slush> sipa: because there is bigger probability that this new round will be shorter than the second one in other pool, which gives highest reward/time
707 2011-02-01 09:20:20 <slush> doublec: yes
708 2011-02-01 09:21:05 <sipa> so, switch to a fixed (difficulty-dependent) reward for each share :)
709 2011-02-01 09:21:09 <slush> it become a problem only when the second pool become significant.
710 2011-02-01 09:21:19 <slush> sipa: which is not possible
711 2011-02-01 09:21:36 <slush> sipa: look at yesterday's pool performance. There were many rounds with >60000 shares
712 2011-02-01 09:21:51 <slush> sipa: pool OP cannot pay out people for blocks which was not found...
713 2011-02-01 09:22:18 <slush> sipa: only when he will cut significant fee per block to create some funds for bad times.
714 2011-02-01 09:22:29 <sipa> yes, you'll need some saving
715 2011-02-01 09:22:35 <slush> and because people don't want to pay even 1btc/round for pool in average, it is quite hard to do
716 2011-02-01 09:22:38 <sipa> and a compensation
717 2011-02-01 09:22:42 <UukGoblin> need. more. divisibility.
718 2011-02-01 09:23:08 <slush> once I'll cut 5% from block, I'll be open to pay per share :)
719 2011-02-01 09:23:33 <sipa> understandable
720 2011-02-01 09:24:06 <sipa> also, i'll make you more vulnerable to vandalism-attacks
721 2011-02-01 09:24:22 <slush> of course, because pool op takes the risk
722 2011-02-01 09:24:50 <slush> so current model is quite fair / easy to understand, but it is open to pool switching "attacks"
723 2011-02-01 09:25:55 <sipa> i'm not sure i understand though
724 2011-02-01 09:26:12 <sipa> why is there a bigger probability that new round will be shorter?
725 2011-02-01 09:26:39 <devon_hillard> yummy: http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/take_peek_amds_dual-gpu_radeon_hd_6990
726 2011-02-01 09:27:26 <devon_hillard> probably needs 2 PSUs to keep it going, though :)
727 2011-02-01 09:28:00 <[Noodles]> won't need more than a 5970 i guess
728 2011-02-01 09:28:17 <dirtyfilthy> sipa: because the old round is already "old"
729 2011-02-01 09:28:29 <sipa> so?
730 2011-02-01 09:28:35 <[Noodles]> jgarzik : its ok to run multiple workers with same login, isn't it?
731 2011-02-01 09:28:53 <sipa> chances don't change based on whether or not a particulat pool has recently found a block or not
732 2011-02-01 09:29:04 <sipa> it's always 100%/(difficulty*2^32) per hash
733 2011-02-01 09:29:10 <dirtyfilthy> but the number of shares in the round do
734 2011-02-01 09:29:21 <sipa> oh right
735 2011-02-01 09:29:23 <sipa> of course
736 2011-02-01 09:29:57 <doublec> [Noodles]: I asked earlier and he said it was fine
737 2011-02-01 09:30:20 <sipa> one solution is resetting counter for every block, not just blocks found by the pool
738 2011-02-01 09:30:32 <sipa> though that decreases the averaging effect of the pool
739 2011-02-01 09:37:26 <[Noodles]> seems to work
740 2011-02-01 09:37:58 <UukGoblin> I don't have time to search through the forum, but did anyone send a post to make satoshi aware that more divisibility would be useful?
741 2011-02-01 09:39:27 <sipa> are you talking about the 0.01 UI limit, or the 0.00000001 protocol limit?
742 2011-02-01 09:40:54 <UukGoblin> 0.01 client-side limit
743 2011-02-01 09:41:21 <sipa> that will soon be removed, i believe
744 2011-02-01 09:41:54 <doublec> I don't think satoshi makes those decisions anymore
745 2011-02-01 09:43:32 <sipa> indeed
746 2011-02-01 09:44:10 <UukGoblin> cool
747 2011-02-01 09:44:22 <UukGoblin> any more proof apart from 'believe'? ;-]
748 2011-02-01 09:44:45 <sipa> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3065.0
749 2011-02-01 09:44:48 <sipa> gavin's proposal
750 2011-02-01 09:46:35 <doublec> UukGoblin: the fact that gavin seems to have taken over development and satoshi doesn't post on the forums anymore is where I get the belief from.
751 2011-02-01 09:47:11 <UukGoblin> doublec, oh yeah, I was asking about the other thing ;-)
752 2011-02-01 09:47:12 <DiabloD3> satoshi probably never existed
753 2011-02-01 09:47:20 <DiabloD3> I suspect gavin is satoshi's new alias
754 2011-02-01 09:47:27 <lfm> gavin sez he still talks to satoshi
755 2011-02-01 09:47:34 <DiabloD3> exactly
756 2011-02-01 09:47:38 <DiabloD3> who has ever talked to satoshi
757 2011-02-01 09:47:38 <mrb_> nah. satoshi is rich (1M+ BTC). he must protect his identity
758 2011-02-01 09:47:39 <DiabloD3> no one
759 2011-02-01 09:48:10 <mrb_> that's why he remains hidden. someone could easily target him and steal that.
760 2011-02-01 09:48:28 <DiabloD3> erm
761 2011-02-01 09:48:31 <DiabloD3> he could just slowly sell them
762 2011-02-01 09:48:52 <mrb_> would take too much time without moving the market down.
763 2011-02-01 09:49:44 <mrb_> if you want to track him, talk to slicehost who his hosting the vps bitcoin.org is running on :)
764 2011-02-01 09:50:20 <lfm> if the pvs aint paid in bitcoin
765 2011-02-01 09:50:25 <lfm> vps
766 2011-02-01 09:50:53 <mrb_> personally I think he just doesn't like to be well-known, and is a realy busy man
767 2011-02-01 09:51:20 <doublec> I'm more inclined to believe that satoshi is an alias
768 2011-02-01 09:51:38 <doublec> if only because it makes bitcoin sound far more mysterious
769 2011-02-01 09:51:53 <mrb_> although I am puzzled by someone who remains so indifferent to one of his creation being so successful
770 2011-02-01 09:52:39 <lfm> seems great to me he can get rich without getting famous, fame sucks
771 2011-02-01 09:52:48 <doublec> probably disappointed that he deleted his original wallet so many months ago when he thought bitcoin was just a fun experiment...
772 2011-02-01 09:53:24 <lfm> Im with mrb on that point I think he has over 1 million btc
773 2011-02-01 09:54:42 <jgarzik> [Noodles]: yes
774 2011-02-01 09:54:43 <mrb_> yeah. just look at the hash rate graph since genesis. it drops down the first 6 months. it was his single PC struggling to generate 1 block every 10min at difficulty 1.0
775 2011-02-01 09:54:51 <noagendamarket> the truth  is probably a lot less romantic than peopl think
776 2011-02-01 09:54:53 <jgarzik> [Noodles]: 1,000 works on one login, or 1,000 logins, I don't care
777 2011-02-01 09:54:57 <jgarzik> workers
778 2011-02-01 09:55:37 <lfm> noagendamarket: you have inside info?
779 2011-02-01 09:59:28 <lfm> have you read "Patern recognition" ? they had a mysterious identity guessing plot on the net in that story too. was a good book
780 2011-02-01 09:59:58 <joe_1> could satoshi be in this channel right now?
781 2011-02-01 10:00:12 <lfm> yes of course he could
782 2011-02-01 10:00:26 <[Noodles]> could be you
783 2011-02-01 10:00:43 <lfm> so far as you know
784 2011-02-01 10:02:29 <joe_1> i cant hide it any longer
785 2011-02-01 10:04:00 <lfm> to prove it send be 0.01 offa the genisis block
786 2011-02-01 10:04:11 <lfm> be -> me
787 2011-02-01 10:05:40 <joe_1> nobody has the key to the genesis transaction
788 2011-02-01 10:06:13 <lfm> well satoshi should have unless he lost it
789 2011-02-01 10:07:06 <lfm> its worth 50 btc just like any other block
790 2011-02-01 10:09:31 <joe_1> im not satoshi
791 2011-02-01 10:09:56 <lfm> ya, I must confess, I am not Satoshi either
792 2011-02-01 10:10:51 <noagendamarket> Im not satoshi either
793 2011-02-01 10:11:16 <satoshi_> ok guys it's me :)
794 2011-02-01 10:11:20 <noagendamarket> lol
795 2011-02-01 10:11:54 <lfm> so satoshi without a _ was protected?
796 2011-02-01 10:12:49 <gribble> I have not seen satoshi.
797 2011-02-01 10:12:49 <lfm> ;;seen satoshi
798 2011-02-01 10:13:42 <lfm> hes on some other channel
799 2011-02-01 10:14:07 <mrb> lfm: didn't test.
800 2011-02-01 10:14:22 <lfm> /whois satoshi
801 2011-02-01 10:14:42 <joe_1> satoshi is foobar@www4369u.sakura.ne.jp * Ueda Satoshi
802 2011-02-01 10:15:06 <Keefe> satoshi is foobar :P
803 2011-02-01 10:15:10 <lfm> doesnt seem very likely the same person
804 2011-02-01 10:16:06 <joe_1> there has to be a way to figure out who he is. can't we just look at the dates and times of all his posts in the forum, and find another person who lines up?
805 2011-02-01 10:18:00 <lfm> only if he also uses his "real" name. if he is consistently Satoshi then it wont correlate with anyone else
806 2011-02-01 10:18:48 <noagendamarket> If we can find out it means anyone can so i hope we never find out
807 2011-02-01 10:19:31 <lfm> ya hes prolly just a shy nurd
808 2011-02-01 10:20:16 <joe_1> im not sure if gavin is satoshi
809 2011-02-01 10:20:53 <lfm> Gavin isnt shy. he talks to reporters and stuff
810 2011-02-01 10:21:47 <joe_1> and gavin, like satoshi, doesn't come on IRC ever?
811 2011-02-01 10:21:56 <gribble> Error: '*gavin*' is not a valid nick.
812 2011-02-01 10:21:56 <joe_1> ;;seen *gavin*
813 2011-02-01 10:22:10 <gribble> Error: '.*gavin.*' is not a valid nick.
814 2011-02-01 10:22:10 <joe_1> ;;seen ".*gavin.*"
815 2011-02-01 10:22:14 <dsg> ;;seen gavinandresen
816 2011-02-01 10:22:15 <gribble> gavinandresen was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 11 hours, 3 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <gavinandresen> slush: tcatm,dooglus, and jgarzik all have commit access to the git repo.
817 2011-02-01 10:22:16 <lfm> ;; seen gavinanderson
818 2011-02-01 10:22:17 <gribble> I have not seen gavinanderson.
819 2011-02-01 10:22:26 <lfm> oh ok
820 2011-02-01 10:22:44 <joe_1> where's my commit access?
821 2011-02-01 10:22:56 <joe_1> well i dont need it for another few days
822 2011-02-01 10:23:42 <joe_1> next time we see him let's just hammer on gavin to tell us more about satoshi.
823 2011-02-01 10:24:00 <lfm> lets not
824 2011-02-01 10:25:14 <andrew12> monitor is too bright in the morning :(
825 2011-02-01 10:25:50 <lfm> ya laptops used to have dimmer wheels! too bad
826 2011-02-01 10:26:28 <dsg> Why does anonymity bother people so much? :)
827 2011-02-01 10:26:37 <dsg> Oh, he must have something to hide!
828 2011-02-01 10:26:57 <andrew12> dsg: because they enjoy the trouble
829 2011-02-01 10:26:58 <andrew12> :p
830 2011-02-01 10:27:04 <lfm> its that human thing called curiosity, most people have it to one degree or another
831 2011-02-01 10:27:43 <lfm> if you dont have it you are probably some sort of AI turing test
832 2011-02-01 10:28:33 <andrew12> uh
833 2011-02-01 10:28:44 <andrew12> you mean turing machine?
834 2011-02-01 10:29:26 <lfm> the Turing test was devised by the same guy that invented/discovered the Turing Machine
835 2011-02-01 10:29:48 <lfm> Alan Turning was a pretty bright guy
836 2011-02-01 10:30:54 <andrew12> derp
837 2011-02-01 10:33:44 <lfm> http://xkcd.com/329/
838 2011-02-01 10:38:39 <joe_1> over the next few weeks i plan to improve the bitcoin client with some important functionalities
839 2011-02-01 10:39:07 <lfm> yay
840 2011-02-01 10:41:46 <joe_1> 1. ability to have greater control over which transaction outputs are used to pay with
841 2011-02-01 10:42:42 <joe_1> 2. display the source address of incoming payments
842 2011-02-01 10:43:09 <lfm> there may be multiple source adresses
843 2011-02-01 10:43:42 <joe_1> i guess it should display all source addresses
844 2011-02-01 10:44:30 <joe_1> 3. ability to choose a "from" address for outgoing payments
845 2011-02-01 10:44:51 <andrew12> parity!
846 2011-02-01 10:44:52 <andrew12> BC |     TRADE|LRUSD               1.29787 @ $1.0
847 2011-02-01 10:44:54 <lfm> isnt that the same as 1
848 2011-02-01 10:45:39 <lfm> jesus whos buying so many
849 2011-02-01 10:46:03 <joe_1> yeah but it's a convenience function so it could take multiple transactions, funnel them into the "from" address (payment to self) then from there go to the destination.
850 2011-02-01 10:50:31 <joe_1> 4. washing machine. client will randomly send coins to a pool of self made addresses to hide the continuity of ownership and spending among other people running clients that do the same random sends.
851 2011-02-01 10:55:14 <lfm> hmm well good luck with that
852 2011-02-01 10:56:33 <joe_1> will i need to fork the code and release my client separately- or will these be possible on the bitcoin.org version?
853 2011-02-01 10:58:50 <lfm> I doubt it
854 2011-02-01 11:00:12 <andrew12> ;;bc,stats
855 2011-02-01 11:00:14 <gribble> Current Blocks: 105651 | Current Difficulty: 22012.4941572 | Next Difficulty At Block: 106847 | Next Difficulty In: 1196 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 12 hours, 23 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 24366.16322015
856 2011-02-01 11:00:21 <andrew12> woo my vps has the whole block chain
857 2011-02-01 11:01:54 <molecular> joe_1: I like your changes
858 2011-02-01 11:02:17 <molecular> although 1.) is by far more important the 2) - 4)
859 2011-02-01 11:09:38 <joe_1> agree
860 2011-02-01 11:28:29 <molecular> cooling question: I have 2 relatively big case-fans. Now the 5970 draw air out of the case. what use are the case-fans? can I just turn them off? there's not much heat from the motherboard, it's a asrock with a VIA c7.
861 2011-02-01 11:29:33 <lfm> set all the case fans to blow INTO the case for best cooling
862 2011-02-01 11:30:04 <molecular> ok, that makes more sense
863 2011-02-01 11:30:50 <molecular> if they suck out of the case, isn't it like they're "competing" with the 5970s fan?
864 2011-02-01 11:31:30 <slush> I'm thinking how to prevent abusing pools with switching between two one. Looks like delay in pool stats (actual shares, when the block was found) could work pretty nice.
865 2011-02-01 11:32:05 <lfm> slush those "abuse" schemes are illusions
866 2011-02-01 11:32:18 <molecular> slush, how does this abuse work? switch what?
867 2011-02-01 11:32:20 <slush> Don't think so
868 2011-02-01 11:32:55 <slush> When you're working on fresh new round, your reward/time can be much higher than working on older one (from second pool)
869 2011-02-01 11:33:17 <slush> of course it expect there are two pools with similar hash power
870 2011-02-01 11:33:28 <molecular> you mean reward per time?
871 2011-02-01 11:33:32 <slush> yes
872 2011-02-01 11:34:21 <molecular> so when one pool finds a block and starts a new round, you would switch to that pool?
873 2011-02-01 11:34:30 <sipa> yes
874 2011-02-01 11:35:02 <slush> of course if it will do everybody, it lose it's effect
875 2011-02-01 11:35:09 <sipa> slush: and counting only shares from the current block, and not full round?
876 2011-02-01 11:35:15 <slush> but when the majority is fair, you can improve your personal reward
877 2011-02-01 11:35:18 <sipa> that's drastic
878 2011-02-01 11:35:24 <sipa> but it would prevent it
879 2011-02-01 11:35:33 <molecular> but from that point on: both pools have the same likelyhood of finding the block (assuming equal hashing power)
880 2011-02-01 11:35:41 <slush> it will affect distribution of reward
881 2011-02-01 11:35:58 <molecular> slush: you currently count blocks from complete round?
882 2011-02-01 11:36:03 <lfm> if you switch then they wont be equal any more