1 2011-02-03 00:00:13 <Vladimir> unless they have a tunnel to your 127.0.0.1
  2 2011-02-03 00:00:41 <Vladimir> 127.0.0.1:8332 actually
  3 2011-02-03 00:04:48 <slush> is there any reason why one of my core freeze once a few days?
  4 2011-02-03 00:04:56 <slush> I have to restart computer then...
  5 2011-02-03 00:05:20 <ArtForz> marginal overclock?
  6 2011-02-03 00:05:25 <slush> it can work at 860 MHz, but even underclocking to 845 didn't help
  7 2011-02-03 00:05:33 <ArtForz> weird
  8 2011-02-03 00:06:03 <slush> It's pretty usual that my miners are weird :-/
  9 2011-02-03 00:07:16 <ArtForz> I had random once-every-few-days lockups on a bunch of cores too, dropping those by 10-20MHz fixed it
 10 2011-02-03 00:07:38 <slush> ok, I'm trying 845 now
 11 2011-02-03 00:07:47 <slush> I'll tell you after week if it helped :)
 12 2011-02-03 00:09:15 <luke-jr> I'm getting more MH/s with Stream SDK than the wiki page says I should get with this card&
 13 2011-02-03 00:09:32 <ArtForz> what card, and how much more
 14 2011-02-03 00:09:58 <luke-jr> 5850, 252 MH/s
 15 2011-02-03 00:10:06 <luke-jr> wiki says 240 MH/s
 16 2011-02-03 00:10:13 <luke-jr> or did, I'm updating it
 17 2011-02-03 00:10:23 <ArtForz> well, thats stupid
 18 2011-02-03 00:10:28 <LobsterMan> any idea why i'm getting a lot of "invalid or stale" results from m0mchil's latest miner with slush's pool? this seems to only be recent for the past few days so i guess it has to do with the new version
 19 2011-02-03 00:10:29 <luke-jr> what's stupid?
 20 2011-02-03 00:10:32 <LobsterMan> poclbm_py2exe_20110127
 21 2011-02-03 00:10:33 <ArtForz> then all the relations are off
 22 2011-02-03 00:10:58 <ArtForz> other cards scale by about the same factor
 23 2011-02-03 00:11:05 <luke-jr> ?
 24 2011-02-03 00:11:15 <slush> LobsterMan: if it corresponds with new blocks on -monitor, then it is fine
 25 2011-02-03 00:11:21 <luke-jr> 12 MH/s is huge
 26 2011-02-03 00:11:23 <ArtForz> those numbers are for a old version of my miner
 27 2011-02-03 00:11:36 <luke-jr> you tried every one of those cardsG
 28 2011-02-03 00:11:38 <ArtForz> last version of my OCL miner got 565Mh/s on a stock 5970
 29 2011-02-03 00:11:44 <ArtForz> a bunch
 30 2011-02-03 00:11:51 <LobsterMan> slush i'm not sure, i just know that the new version of poclbm is causing more "invalid or stale" than i used to get for the old version
 31 2011-02-03 00:11:56 <luke-jr> can you remember which? I added a "miner" column
 32 2011-02-03 00:12:27 <ArtForz> 4870, 5770, 5870, 5970, 6870
 33 2011-02-03 00:12:52 <slush> LobsterMan: I'm not sure if it is relevant to miner version. But before two three days I introduced rejecting stale shares. Like original bitcoind
 34 2011-02-03 00:13:04 <ArtForz> to get correct numbers for current OCL miners, just multiply 5xxx by 1.05
 35 2011-02-03 00:13:05 <slush> LobsterMan: which worker?
 36 2011-02-03 00:13:15 <LobsterMan> m0mchil's latest poclbm_py2exe_20110127
 37 2011-02-03 00:13:27 <slush> no, I think login
 38 2011-02-03 00:13:33 <LobsterMan> the old one i was using was like 20101226 or something
 39 2011-02-03 00:13:36 <LobsterMan> oh
 40 2011-02-03 00:13:49 <LobsterMan> let me see if i can figure it out
 41 2011-02-03 00:14:01 <slush> well, if you used such old version, you cut yourself a lot
 42 2011-02-03 00:14:08 <LobsterMan> they both have 7 shares
 43 2011-02-03 00:14:09 <slush> I claimed it many many times everywhere :)
 44 2011-02-03 00:14:11 <ArtForz> as it's a hardware comparison table, not a "which miner is tweaked best for what" table
 45 2011-02-03 00:16:37 <luke-jr> ArtForz: what is your miner called, and what is the version called that you tested those with?
 46 2011-02-03 00:16:45 <ArtForz> errr... sec
 47 2011-02-03 00:17:48 <ArtForz> that was my old miner called "clmine", didnt really have a version#
 48 2011-02-03 00:18:31 <luke-jr> which Stream SDK?
 49 2011-02-03 00:18:34 <ArtForz> 2.1
 50 2011-02-03 00:18:41 <ArtForz> cat 10.10
 51 2011-02-03 00:19:00 <luke-jr> does Cat matter?
 52 2011-02-03 00:19:04 <ArtForz> not really
 53 2011-02-03 00:20:15 <luke-jr> what's the latest version with 565 called?
 54 2011-02-03 00:20:57 <ArtForz> clmine2
 55 2011-02-03 00:21:12 <luke-jr> sdk 2.1?
 56 2011-02-03 00:21:15 <ArtForz> yep
 57 2011-02-03 00:21:18 <ArtForz> and my cal miner is called... calmine
 58 2011-02-03 00:21:29 <ArtForz> 604Mh/s on stock 5970
 59 2011-02-03 00:22:20 <luke-jr> O.O
 60 2011-02-03 00:22:24 <luke-jr> is that public?
 61 2011-02-03 00:22:28 <ArtForz> nope
 62 2011-02-03 00:22:38 <luke-jr> nuts
 63 2011-02-03 00:22:59 <luke-jr> now here's something interesting: polcbm's miner shows my Sandy Bridge GPU
 64 2011-02-03 00:23:06 <luke-jr> and *appears* to be working with it
 65 2011-02-03 00:23:15 <LobsterMan> what kind of hash rate?
 66 2011-02-03 00:23:35 <luke-jr> 750 kH/s :p
 67 2011-02-03 00:23:36 <ArtForz> slooow ;)
 68 2011-02-03 00:23:47 <luke-jr> ArtForz: I don't think you expected *that* slow, did you? :p
 69 2011-02-03 00:23:55 <ArtForz> actualyl I did
 70 2011-02-03 00:23:59 <luke-jr> but is that actually using the IGP?
 71 2011-02-03 00:24:06 <necrodearia> offtopic: Is anyone experienced with using GeSHi?
 72 2011-02-03 00:24:07 <luke-jr> even without Intel supporting OpenCL at all?
 73 2011-02-03 00:24:09 <ArtForz> quite possible
 74 2011-02-03 00:24:17 <ArtForz> depends really
 75 2011-02-03 00:24:22 <ArtForz> but it's what I'd expect
 76 2011-02-03 00:26:15 <presence> one of the palit gtx460 NE5X460HF1102 get ~63.5Mhash/s
 77 2011-02-03 00:31:31 <presence> thats with rpcminer-cuda.exe
 78 2011-02-03 00:31:45 <presence> in case anyone gives a crap (:D)
 79 2011-02-03 00:33:07 <luke-jr> btw, any idea why my Radeon shows up as "Cypress" in the miner's GPU list?
 80 2011-02-03 00:33:22 <presence> because its probably a cypress :D
 81 2011-02-03 00:33:27 <luke-jr> G?
 82 2011-02-03 00:33:29 <ArtForz> because thats the chips name
 83 2011-02-03 00:33:31 <luke-jr> wtf is a cypress
 84 2011-02-03 00:33:47 <ArtForz> 5830/50/70/5970 are all cypresses
 85 2011-02-03 00:33:52 <luke-jr> codename?
 86 2011-02-03 00:33:54 <presence> its a tree in outdoors sense
 87 2011-02-03 00:34:07 <ArtForz> yup
 88 2011-02-03 00:34:07 <presence> but its the chip name in, well, yeah artfonz stated it
 89 2011-02-03 00:34:28 <ArtForz> all 5xxx chips were trees
 90 2011-02-03 00:35:01 <luke-jr> lol
 91 2011-02-03 00:35:17 <afed> yes um
 92 2011-02-03 00:35:23 <afed> is anyone at all running 69X0 cards
 93 2011-02-03 00:35:32 <ArtForz> yes, me
 94 2011-02-03 00:35:39 <presence> so does nvidia know that they are hosed yet?
 95 2011-02-03 00:35:51 <afed> ArtForz: tell me about them? what specs and have you had any trouble?
 96 2011-02-03 00:35:55 <ArtForz> 6870+6970 using sdk 2.3 and cat 10.12
 97 2011-02-03 00:36:04 <afed> ic
 98 2011-02-03 00:36:24 <afed> i have 6950 cards
 99 2011-02-03 00:36:27 <ArtForz> = sucky OCL miner performance, multiGPU total disaster
100 2011-02-03 00:36:36 <afed> bad eh?
101 2011-02-03 00:36:43 <presence> better than nvidia :D
102 2011-02-03 00:36:44 <afed> i can't make them run stable
103 2011-02-03 00:36:54 <afed> i have the new 11.x driver on win7
104 2011-02-03 00:37:19 <afed> i am probably going to sell them and buy 5870 cards
105 2011-02-03 00:37:23 <afed> since they are faster and $220
106 2011-02-03 00:37:46 <afed> i really just need the box to run and generate coins, i no longer care about tinkering
107 2011-02-03 00:37:47 <molecular> ArtForz, clmine2, calminer? never heard. where can I find these?
108 2011-02-03 00:37:52 <ArtForz> nowhere
109 2011-02-03 00:38:06 <molecular> :)
110 2011-02-03 00:38:10 <ArtForz> all of em are private
111 2011-02-03 00:38:12 <presence> I dont think he released them
112 2011-02-03 00:38:19 <afed> heh
113 2011-02-03 00:38:24 <afed> as in, he's selling them for bitcoins?
114 2011-02-03 00:38:27 <lfm> cl would be from opencl I assume
115 2011-02-03 00:38:28 <ArtForz> well, I did publish the OCL kernels of both CL miners
116 2011-02-03 00:38:35 <afed> and they're 5000 khash faster than poclbm?
117 2011-02-03 00:38:46 <presence> jesus this trimble thunderbolts 10mhz output is a full .625 hz off
118 2011-02-03 00:39:10 <lfm> thats prolly in spec
119 2011-02-03 00:39:12 <afed> presence: hhahaha
120 2011-02-03 00:39:30 <presence> its not when it is supposed to be a time source
121 2011-02-03 00:39:40 <afed> presence: are you just a time nut as well as a bitcoiner, or does timekeeping give some advantage to mining?
122 2011-02-03 00:39:50 <lfm> ptrdrnce compared to what? PC clock?
123 2011-02-03 00:39:50 <presence> supposed to be accurate to e-9 over long periods
124 2011-02-03 00:39:56 <presence> Im a timenut too
125 2011-02-03 00:40:12 <afed> nice
126 2011-02-03 00:40:15 <presence> compared to 10Mhz coming out of a hp 5071A cesium reference
127 2011-02-03 00:40:33 <ArtForz> yeah, thats about 6e-8, not really great
128 2011-02-03 00:40:38 <lfm> hehe well you might also consider the price difference
129 2011-02-03 00:41:13 <presence> yeah but lots of other GPSDOs are better
130 2011-02-03 00:41:19 <presence> and about the same price point
131 2011-02-03 00:41:32 <ArtForz> you got a cesium reference? *envy*
132 2011-02-03 00:41:43 <ArtForz> only got 2 rubidium references here
133 2011-02-03 00:41:52 <lfm> calibrate prolly only goes to 1hz
134 2011-02-03 00:42:27 <afed> heh i'm satisfied with a local ntp box informed by a gps receiver
135 2011-02-03 00:43:09 <lfm> hehe Im satisifed with random pool.ntp.org server
136 2011-02-03 00:43:50 <presence> I have 2 cesiums and 1 rubidium
137 2011-02-03 00:43:51 <molecular> ArtForz, is the OCL kernel you published the one Diablo and m0m integrated into their miners or a different one?
138 2011-02-03 00:43:54 <presence> and a bunch of gpsdos
139 2011-02-03 00:43:59 <ArtForz> same one
140 2011-02-03 00:44:13 <ArtForz> they use both quite heavily modified versions though
141 2011-02-03 00:44:38 <luke-jr> afed: I don't see any cards on there that contrast poclbm and clmine
142 2011-02-03 00:45:44 <afed> luke-jr: good to know
143 2011-02-03 00:45:59 <afed> if it was a 50% improvement i'd pay for it
144 2011-02-03 00:46:09 <luke-jr> afed: as in, there's no comparison done
145 2011-02-03 00:46:24 <presence> timekeeping doesnt really help mining
146 2011-02-03 00:46:32 <molecular> ArtForz, then there must be something else you do better, because I only get about 560 Mh/s on my 5970 @725/725 with Diablo's miner
147 2011-02-03 00:46:34 <luke-jr> however, I would be glad to compare for you if you send me a 5970 ;p
148 2011-02-03 00:46:36 <presence> Im a global network guy and it matters significantly there
149 2011-02-03 00:47:10 <afed> i'll send you a pair of 6950 cards for 600 bitcoins
150 2011-02-03 00:47:24 <luke-jr> lol
151 2011-02-03 00:48:41 <luke-jr> wait, really?
152 2011-02-03 00:48:45 <luke-jr> 6950 isn't charted at all
153 2011-02-03 00:52:19 <EvanR> molecular: i had the same effect
154 2011-02-03 00:52:28 <EvanR> i switched to the python miner
155 2011-02-03 00:52:40 <molecular> EvanR, which python miner?
156 2011-02-03 00:52:55 <EvanR> poc something
157 2011-02-03 00:52:58 <EvanR> tab complete that
158 2011-02-03 00:53:01 <molecular> pocblm
159 2011-02-03 00:53:02 <ArtForz> m0s
160 2011-02-03 00:53:15 <molecular> that's m0mchills, yeah
161 2011-02-03 00:53:32 <molecular> haven't really tried that in a while...
162 2011-02-03 00:53:54 <molecular> I've been into Diablo's code for a while, don't see what he might be doing inefficiently...
163 2011-02-03 00:54:06 <ArtForz> the kernel I pastebinned and m0s and diablos modified versions are really quite different
164 2011-02-03 00:54:44 <molecular> really? 'll have to compare them..
165 2011-02-03 00:54:58 <molecular> I figured it was only different arg-passing
166 2011-02-03 00:55:23 <Ljrn900> ugh
167 2011-02-03 00:55:28 <Ljrn900> my pc is hanging
168 2011-02-03 01:00:45 <molecular> EvanR, ArtForz well, pocblm does 272Mh/s (one one core), that would make 545Mh/s on both
169 2011-02-03 01:02:22 <lfm> Ljrn900: thats terrible!
170 2011-02-03 01:04:00 <luke-jr> yes
171 2011-02-03 01:11:42 <presence> ljrn: power or ram
172 2011-02-03 01:13:55 <luke-jr> presence: G?
173 2011-02-03 01:14:00 <luke-jr> my display locked up
174 2011-02-03 01:14:25 <luke-jr> Clocksource tsc unstable (delta = -60133896280 ns)
175 2011-02-03 01:16:04 <luke-jr> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/331410/
176 2011-02-03 01:18:26 <ArtForz> looks like a driver conflict
177 2011-02-03 01:19:59 <luke-jr> 9
178 2011-02-03 01:20:12 <andrew12> <box>
179 2011-02-03 01:20:15 <luke-jr> guess I can hope maybe it was triggered by using OpenCL miner on Intel GPU that doesn't support OpenCL&
180 2011-02-03 01:20:21 <luke-jr> andrew12: fix your PC then
181 2011-02-03 01:20:56 <ArtForz> looks like some oops in i915 driver
182 2011-02-03 01:21:18 <andrew12> luke-jr: too lazy
183 2011-02-03 01:21:49 <presence> i915 ugh
184 2011-02-03 01:21:53 <presence> complete CRAP
185 2011-02-03 01:25:25 <luke-jr> ArtForz: yeah
186 2011-02-03 01:25:33 <luke-jr> presence: it's an i915 driver, not i915 chipset
187 2011-02-03 01:26:29 <luke-jr> anyhow, now I just need to do /etc/init.d/lxc.amd start and my system will GPUmine
188 2011-02-03 01:36:35 <luke-jr> so anyhow
189 2011-02-03 01:37:31 <luke-jr> let me get this straight: if my miner submits the proof-of-work via my own RPC client instead of slush's, he'd still get the generation+fees because it's inherent in the solution (and it might screw up the reward distribution)? :P
190 2011-02-03 01:39:14 <luke-jr> any way to be sure the Radeon's fans are running?
191 2011-02-03 01:43:26 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 257000
192 2011-02-03 01:43:27 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 257000 Khps, given current difficulty of 22012.4941572 , is 4 days, 6 hours, 11 minutes, and 11 seconds
193 2011-02-03 01:46:06 <luke-jr> is poclbm supposed to use 100% CPU?
194 2011-02-03 01:46:42 <presence> it didnt on my box
195 2011-02-03 01:46:59 <luke-jr> :/
196 2011-02-03 01:47:05 <luke-jr> maybe -f 1?
197 2011-02-03 01:47:26 <presence> I ran it stock
198 2011-02-03 01:51:36 <andrew12> wow, xz is awesome
199 2011-02-03 01:51:54 <andrew12> compressed my entire supybot folder (165M) to 21.5M
200 2011-02-03 01:52:16 <ArtForz> sdk2.1 ?
201 2011-02-03 01:56:05 <presence> which ati drivers should I prep for opencl mining?
202 2011-02-03 02:03:21 <lfm> drivers 10-11 or 10-12 most people find works best
203 2011-02-03 02:03:53 <lfm> for ati
204 2011-02-03 02:07:22 <andrew12> wow
205 2011-02-03 02:07:35 <andrew12> i closed bitcoin and my download went from 40k/s to 200k/s
206 2011-02-03 02:07:49 <andrew12> ^- the reason p2p isn't necessarily good
207 2011-02-03 02:07:58 <andrew12> or maybe
208 2011-02-03 02:08:04 <andrew12> ^- the reason dsl is very bad
209 2011-02-03 02:08:56 <lfm> was bitcoin downloading block chain?
210 2011-02-03 02:09:31 <andrew12> no
211 2011-02-03 02:09:39 <andrew12> whenever i have p2p stuff running it's like that
212 2011-02-03 02:09:49 <andrew12> whether its bitcoin, bittorrent, i2p, tor...
213 2011-02-03 02:09:55 <lfm> I have several bitcoin running and can hardly see any effect on dsl downloads
214 2011-02-03 02:10:03 <devrandom> luke-jr - are you also getting 100% cpu?  I'm on ubuntu 10.10 and getting 100% system time on two cores (java + xorg)
215 2011-02-03 02:10:20 <luke-jr> devrandom: just Python is 100% CPU
216 2011-02-03 02:10:21 <andrew12> lfm: well it could also be because of my network setup
217 2011-02-03 02:10:41 <lfm> andrew12: what is your isp? are they throttling you?
218 2011-02-03 02:10:44 <andrew12> though bitcoin's mainly just idle connections
219 2011-02-03 02:10:44 <devrandom> yes, with the python client I get 100% system on the python process
220 2011-02-03 02:10:58 <andrew12> lfm: wouldn't make any sense since i gain back all the speed right after i close bitcoin
221 2011-02-03 02:11:01 <devrandom> luke-jr - is it system for you too?
222 2011-02-03 02:11:05 <andrew12> i should fiddle with qos
223 2011-02-03 02:11:19 <luke-jr> devrandom: I think so?
224 2011-02-03 02:11:31 <luke-jr> andrew12: QoS doesn't work with p2p :p
225 2011-02-03 02:11:33 <devrandom> what os are you running?
226 2011-02-03 02:11:42 <luke-jr> andrew12: unless you set your cap to like 50% your real limit
227 2011-02-03 02:11:46 <devrandom> cat /etc/issue
228 2011-02-03 02:11:46 <luke-jr> devrandom: Gentoo
229 2011-02-03 02:12:01 <devrandom> kernel?
230 2011-02-03 02:12:12 <luke-jr> 2.6.27 is the only kernel that can boot me
231 2011-02-03 02:12:58 <devrandom> 2.6.35-25 on ubuntu 10.10 here
232 2011-02-03 02:13:00 <devrandom> sigh...
233 2011-02-03 02:13:07 <luke-jr> 2.6.37*
234 2011-02-03 02:13:16 <devrandom> ah
235 2011-02-03 02:13:18 <ArtForz> either a crappy router or isp throttling on "p2p-y" activity
236 2011-02-03 02:13:37 <devrandom> hm... maybe something funny about those kernels
237 2011-02-03 02:13:57 <devrandom> ArtForz - you are not experiencing the 100% system issue, right?
238 2011-02-03 02:13:59 <ArtForz> use. sdk. 2.1.
239 2011-02-03 02:14:05 <luke-jr> ArtForz: not available
240 2011-02-03 02:14:09 <ArtForz> 2.2 and 2.3 use 100% cpu
241 2011-02-03 02:14:13 <luke-jr> sigh
242 2011-02-03 02:14:24 <devrandom> ah
243 2011-02-03 02:14:31 <devrandom> okay, will try that, thanks
244 2011-02-03 02:15:16 <andrew12\tand of course get disco> NULL
245 2011-02-03 02:18:25 <andrew12\twhy does it use stuff l> NULL
246 2011-02-03 02:18:39 <andrew12\ti want it to be like ni> NULL
247 2011-02-03 02:18:52 <andrew12\tso i can say bitcoin's> NULL
248 2011-02-03 02:28:37 <necrodearia> Any volunteers to examine http://witcoin.com:2982 and provide feedback?
249 2011-02-03 02:29:01 <necrodearia> The colors/design isn't important for now.
250 2011-02-03 02:32:44 <presence> so with ati on windows 7 64, you should install the 11,1 or something earlier?
251 2011-02-03 02:33:43 <lfm> I think some people are reporting problems with 11.1, not sure if its in win7
252 2011-02-03 02:35:53 <luke-jr> you should install Linux
253 2011-02-03 02:36:43 <andrew12> wow
254 2011-02-03 02:36:45 <andrew12> qos works
255 2011-02-03 02:36:47 <andrew12> lol
256 2011-02-03 02:37:03 <andrew12> made http have highest priority and now i got 300kb/s
257 2011-02-03 02:37:27 <luke-jr> &
258 2011-02-03 02:37:38 <luke-jr> what router is this?
259 2011-02-03 02:37:46 <andrew12> wrt320n with dd-wrt
260 2011-02-03 02:38:18 <presence> cant came on linux
261 2011-02-03 02:38:21 <presence> game
262 2011-02-03 02:38:35 <presence> I have openbsd and linux and other stuff...but no decent cards
263 2011-02-03 02:42:21 <luke-jr> andrew12: no way. DD-Wrt's QoS *never* works.
264 2011-02-03 02:42:26 <luke-jr> presence: nonsense
265 2011-02-03 02:42:30 <luke-jr> all the best games run best on Linux
266 2011-02-03 02:42:40 <andrew12> luke-jr: it works fine here :P
267 2011-02-03 02:43:14 <luke-jr> ArtForz: does 2.01 work?
268 2011-02-03 02:43:54 <ArtForz> no clue
269 2011-02-03 02:46:03 <luke-jr> my system is acting like it's about to hang again :x
270 2011-02-03 02:46:12 <luke-jr> random ms lockups
271 2011-02-03 02:49:13 <fabianhjr> The Bitcoin Times had been published: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2355.msg43883#msg43883
272 2011-02-03 03:00:59 <luke-jr> FWIW, Stream 2.01 doesn't support OpenCL 1.1 and thus fails to work at all :p
273 2011-02-03 03:04:30 <ArtForz> boo
274 2011-02-03 03:04:56 <luke-jr> I tried copying the 2.2 ebuild to 2.1
275 2011-02-03 03:05:01 <luke-jr> will report back
276 2011-02-03 03:06:57 <luke-jr> Kiba: opening a competing publication?
277 2011-02-03 03:07:55 <Kiba> luke-jr: quite possibly
278 2011-02-03 03:08:27 <Kiba> BTW, I wrote 5 articles for his magazine over ALL THE ISSUES that been published
279 2011-02-03 03:08:51 <luke-jr> bah ODT
280 2011-02-03 03:08:57 <luke-jr> I won't be reading this edition I guess
281 2011-02-03 03:09:08 <Kiba> 1 for issue 0, 3 for issue 1, and 1 for issue 2
282 2011-02-03 03:09:25 <Kiba> so he lost quite possibly his most valuable writer so far
283 2011-02-03 03:10:34 <Kiba> but fabianjhr's issue is that he just doesn't communicate in a timely manner or tell us what's going on.
284 2011-02-03 03:10:45 <Kiba> plus, he only packages the content
285 2011-02-03 03:10:58 <Kiba> wrote one article in issue 1. That's it.
286 2011-02-03 03:11:00 <presence> one article?
287 2011-02-03 03:11:32 <nanotube> Kiba: fork it! :)
288 2011-02-03 03:12:16 <doublec> publishing once a week seems ambitious
289 2011-02-03 03:12:19 <Kiba> how pathetic do you have to be to be reduced to packaging the content?
290 2011-02-03 03:12:31 <Kiba> doublec: hey, I managed one article a week at the very least
291 2011-02-03 03:13:10 <doublec> yes but I suspect you'd run out of articles over the course of a couple of months
292 2011-02-03 03:13:36 <Cusipzzz> Kiba: fcked up my ad, too
293 2011-02-03 03:13:40 <Cusipzzz> but no big deal
294 2011-02-03 03:13:57 <Kiba> I didn't manage the ads. That was supposed to be Chris' job.
295 2011-02-03 03:14:08 <Kiba> but he quit. Lame.
296 2011-02-03 03:14:15 <Kiba> well, I quit too.
297 2011-02-03 03:14:26 <luke-jr> WTF
298 2011-02-03 03:14:33 <luke-jr> ArtForz: get this, 2.1 doesn't work
299 2011-02-03 03:14:39 <presence> just now :D
300 2011-02-03 03:14:50 <Cusipzzz> lol
301 2011-02-03 03:15:08 <luke-jr> I mean, it installs
302 2011-02-03 03:15:13 <luke-jr> just has the OPENCL_1.1 error
303 2011-02-03 03:15:53 <luke-jr> ImportError: /usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/pyopencl/_cl.so: undefined symbol: clEnqueueReadBufferRect
304 2011-02-03 03:16:00 <luke-jr> that's after I rebuilt pyopencl with it
305 2011-02-03 03:18:35 <Cusipzzz> Kiba: well i'm done with all of ya, but gl with your rival mag :)
306 2011-02-03 03:19:33 <Kiba> Cusipzzz: I'll give you 3 issue ads deal ;P
307 2011-02-03 03:20:47 <luke-jr> ok, fixed the /usr/include/CL symlink, rebuilt pyopencl, now it works
308 2011-02-03 03:20:49 <Cusipzzz> well, lets see, the formatting is fucked up, there are 2 paragraphs of text missing, and it's not a page. lol..
309 2011-02-03 03:21:18 <Cusipzzz> and nobody is goin to mediafire to get it...other than that, i'm happy
310 2011-02-03 03:21:23 <luke-jr> Kiba: I'd do his first ad gratis just to show you can do it right
311 2011-02-03 03:21:30 <Kiba> Cusipzzz: he could just use bitcoinservice.co.uk
312 2011-02-03 03:21:35 <Kiba> or even upload it to the forum :(
313 2011-02-03 03:21:47 <Kiba> luke-jr: do his first what?
314 2011-02-03 03:21:53 <luke-jr> ad
315 2011-02-03 03:21:59 <Kiba> for who?
316 2011-02-03 03:22:00 <Kiba> me?
317 2011-02-03 03:22:01 <Cusipzzz> nah, don't worry about it, i know it wasnt your fck up
318 2011-02-03 03:22:01 <nanotube> in your new fork mag
319 2011-02-03 03:22:26 <Kiba> well, I am waiting to see if Atlas approve of the partnership
320 2011-02-03 03:22:50 <Kiba> than it's off to writing articles for the next issue
321 2011-02-03 03:23:17 <luke-jr> someone should do an article on how diverse the BitCoin community is, and how we all have different goals (eg, Tonal) for the same concept
322 2011-02-03 03:23:20 <luke-jr> :P
323 2011-02-03 03:24:34 <Cusipzzz> lol
324 2011-02-03 03:25:02 <Cusipzzz> if there is an article on Tonal, you couldn't pay me to put my ad in :P
325 2011-02-03 03:25:07 <luke-jr> Cusipzzz: fail
326 2011-02-03 03:25:12 <Cusipzzz> lol
327 2011-02-03 03:25:45 <luke-jr> maybe 'bigot' is a better word :P
328 2011-02-03 03:25:57 <doublec> I don't think tonal is obscure enough for bitcoin. We should also translate it into lojban to ensure maximal chance of being hard to pick up.
329 2011-02-03 03:25:59 <Cusipzzz> hahah
330 2011-02-03 03:26:12 <Cusipzzz> doublec: agree...maybe assyrian as well
331 2011-02-03 03:26:16 <presence> why not publish it in sha hashes
332 2011-02-03 03:26:18 <Diablo-D3> ancient babylonian
333 2011-02-03 03:26:21 <doublec> hahaha
334 2011-02-03 03:26:29 <Cusipzzz> hierglyphics!
335 2011-02-03 03:27:01 <Cusipzzz> i'd like to send a bird, a snake and a fraction of the pyramid w/the eye in it
336 2011-02-03 03:27:02 <Cusipzzz> !
337 2011-02-03 03:27:06 <Diablo-D3> a rare portugese dialect spoken by "lost" amazonian tribes
338 2011-02-03 03:27:07 <Cusipzzz> via JSON
339 2011-02-03 03:27:21 <Diablo-D3> Cusipzzz: the all seeing eye
340 2011-02-03 03:27:26 <Diablo-D3> aka Ra
341 2011-02-03 03:27:37 <Cusipzzz> that could be the fractions
342 2011-02-03 03:27:52 <luke-jr> I bet Unicode supports those
343 2011-02-03 03:27:54 <Diablo-D3> btw iirc
344 2011-02-03 03:27:59 <Diablo-D3> there is that in unicode
345 2011-02-03 03:28:03 <luke-jr> lol
346 2011-02-03 03:28:55 <Cusipzzz> easy then. just don't store them as floats, and we're in business
347 2011-02-03 03:29:50 <doublec> a while back in the lojban list someone was pushing for hexadecimal to be used in the number system
348 2011-02-03 03:29:56 <doublec> it wasn't you was it luke-jr?
349 2011-02-03 03:30:12 <luke-jr> doublec: no, I was only pushing for Tonal inside Lojban on IRC
350 2011-02-03 03:30:25 <luke-jr> IIRC, I was told Lojban already has a native base 16 language
351 2011-02-03 03:31:00 <luke-jr> also that the Tonal digit pronunciations were inherently incompatible with Lojban
352 2011-02-03 03:31:05 <Cusipzzz> we can use the klingon number system. might pick up the wil wheaton fanboys
353 2011-02-03 03:35:05 <doublec> luke-jr: lojban does have words for the hexidecimal digits but that's about the extent of things I believe
354 2011-02-03 03:36:50 <luke-jr> doublec: they lied to meHH :p
355 2011-02-03 03:37:59 <doublec> the hexadecimal debate was long and arduous. They probably didn't want to revive it :)
356 2011-02-03 03:39:15 <Kiba> I have 700 + BTC
357 2011-02-03 03:39:30 <Kiba> so 172.49 BTC will be a piece of cake
358 2011-02-03 03:39:44 <luke-jr> that's a lot for a VPS
359 2011-02-03 03:39:55 <luke-jr> http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/?page=vps&currency=BTC
360 2011-02-03 03:39:56 <doublec> that's a lot for cake too
361 2011-02-03 03:39:57 <Cusipzzz> lol, more than a month i trust
362 2011-02-03 03:40:27 <Kiba> luke-jr: that's for six month
363 2011-02-03 03:40:49 <luke-jr> ok, that's about the same as my prices then
364 2011-02-03 03:40:59 <luke-jr> btw, I had to open a calculator to do 172/6
365 2011-02-03 03:41:16 <Cusipzzz> lol
366 2011-02-03 03:41:19 <doublec> how much easier would it have been to do tonally
367 2011-02-03 03:41:25 <luke-jr> if we were using tonal, I could have just moved the decimal point and *2 :p
368 2011-02-03 03:41:31 <Cusipzzz> in kligon it's pretty easy too
369 2011-02-03 03:41:36 <Cusipzzz> klingon*
370 2011-02-03 03:41:49 <luke-jr> tonal point*
371 2011-02-03 03:41:52 <doublec> in klingon you just kill the person asking?
372 2011-02-03 03:42:00 <Cusipzzz> and take their coins!
373 2011-02-03 03:42:02 <Cusipzzz> :)
374 2011-02-03 03:42:04 <doublec> hehe
375 2011-02-03 03:42:27 <luke-jr> doublec: so, you tell me
376 2011-02-03 03:42:40 <luke-jr> how much easier is double and move the point, than opening a calculator? :p
377 2011-02-03 03:42:51 <Kiba> https://www.kalyhost.com/vps.html
378 2011-02-03 03:43:02 <doublec> I doubt I cound double a hexadecimal number in my head
379 2011-02-03 03:43:13 <doublec> I'd definitely need a calculator
380 2011-02-03 03:43:33 <luke-jr> doublec: for a fair comparison, pretend you were doubling+moving in decimal
381 2011-02-03 03:44:02 <luke-jr> Kiba: but I accept BTC :P
382 2011-02-03 03:44:21 <Cusipzzz> kalyhost takes btc
383 2011-02-03 03:44:24 <luke-jr> Kiba: and I'll give you half off :P
384 2011-02-03 03:44:35 <luke-jr> Cusipzzz: they don't prominently show BTC prices
385 2011-02-03 03:44:45 <Kiba> for the same everything, luke-jr ?
386 2011-02-03 03:44:50 <Cusipzzz> sure they do, select btc
387 2011-02-03 03:45:09 <luke-jr> Cusipzzz: there's nowhere to select it
388 2011-02-03 03:45:22 <Kiba> 512 MB of ram, daily backup, 20 GB, etc
389 2011-02-03 03:45:30 <luke-jr> Kiba: half of *my* prices :P
390 2011-02-03 03:45:42 <Cusipzzz> um, at the top, where it says PAY IN: xxx - you can select BTC
391 2011-02-03 03:45:48 <Cusipzzz> lol
392 2011-02-03 03:45:53 <luke-jr> that'd be like 93 BTC * 50%
393 2011-02-03 03:46:06 <doublec> hmm. i can't get the 'move the decimal point' and double to work
394 2011-02-03 03:46:08 <Kiba> for six month?
395 2011-02-03 03:46:12 <luke-jr> Cusipzzz: didn't see it
396 2011-02-03 03:46:16 <luke-jr> Kiba: per month :p
397 2011-02-03 03:46:29 <Kiba> hmm. No.
398 2011-02-03 03:46:31 <doublec> so 172 is AC in hex. move the decimal point = A.C?
399 2011-02-03 03:46:49 <luke-jr> doublec: just do it in decimal
400 2011-02-03 03:46:51 <luke-jr> you're used to decimal
401 2011-02-03 03:46:51 <presence> DEAD:BEEF:CAFE
402 2011-02-03 03:47:03 <Kiba> it have to be cheaper than kalyhost but just as good
403 2011-02-03 03:47:20 <luke-jr> Kiba: sorry, I can't operate at a loss :P
404 2011-02-03 03:47:27 <luke-jr> presence: DEAD:BEEF:CAFE:F00D
405 2011-02-03 03:47:33 <Kiba> whatever
406 2011-02-03 03:47:43 <luke-jr> I don't oversell my resources.
407 2011-02-03 03:48:55 <Kiba> you don't want my bitcoin at what you're selling
408 2011-02-03 03:49:20 <luke-jr> oh well
409 2011-02-03 03:50:13 <Kiba> look like I have one month ago
410 2011-02-03 03:50:24 <Kiba> to go before my hosting expire with dreamhost
411 2011-02-03 03:50:32 <Kiba> than I'll bail out to a bitcoin VPS
412 2011-02-03 04:45:35 <welterde> luke-jr: what kind of hardware are you hosting on?
413 2011-02-03 04:45:51 <luke-jr> welterde: Core2Quad
414 2011-02-03 04:46:25 <luke-jr> or Celeron if you prefer that for some reason :p
415 2011-02-03 04:46:37 <welterde> luke-jr: with how much ram per server? dedicated server or colocation?
416 2011-02-03 04:46:53 <luke-jr> welterde: dedicated; colo costs more :x
417 2011-02-03 04:47:09 <luke-jr> welterde: C2Q has 8 GB, Celeron has 512 MB
418 2011-02-03 04:47:21 <luke-jr> the latter is mainly just for the Armagetron hosting tbh
419 2011-02-03 04:47:32 <luke-jr> but if someone really wants the location for a small VPS, i can oblige :P
420 2011-02-03 04:48:39 <welterde> luke-jr: I am gonna buy a server for ~2kEUR later this year and put it into colocation.. even the cheapest dedicated server can't compete with that..
421 2011-02-03 04:49:02 <luke-jr> welterde: colocation is $50/mo at least
422 2011-02-03 04:49:11 <luke-jr> the Celeron only costs me $30/mo :p
423 2011-02-03 04:49:15 <welterde> luke-jr: sounds reasonable
424 2011-02-03 04:49:50 <welterde> luke-jr: with colocation you can put way more ram/hdd into the server.. our server will have 32GB of ram then..
425 2011-02-03 04:50:13 <luke-jr> welterde: this is true also.
426 2011-02-03 04:50:27 <luke-jr> unfortunately, little me is too small to afford such a huge server :P
427 2011-02-03 04:50:46 <welterde> luke-jr: I bet right now you are larger than we are :P
428 2011-02-03 04:51:11 <luke-jr> welterde: but you apparently have financing :p
429 2011-02-03 04:51:42 <welterde> luke-jr: true
430 2011-02-03 04:52:16 <welterde> luke-jr: but even a cheaper server should come out cheaper than your dedicated server..
431 2011-02-03 04:52:45 <luke-jr> welterde: not the Celeron&
432 2011-02-03 04:53:10 <luke-jr> so long as the colo costs $50+/mo, it can never beat one that costs $30/mo without any up-front costs :p
433 2011-02-03 04:53:36 <welterde> luke-jr: how much does your other server cost?
434 2011-02-03 04:54:47 <luke-jr> $65/mo, plus I paid to add a bunch of hardware up-front
435 2011-02-03 04:54:53 <luke-jr> mainly memory IIRC
436 2011-02-03 04:55:08 <luke-jr> so it's kinda hybrid dedi/colo
437 2011-02-03 04:55:29 <luke-jr> but I get the benefit of dedi that I don't pay extra to replace hardware :p
438 2011-02-03 04:55:40 <welterde> luke-jr: ovh offers kind of dedicated servers for cheaper than 30$ btw.
439 2011-02-03 04:55:48 <luke-jr> "kind of"
440 2011-02-03 04:55:54 <luke-jr> I'd love to offer those
441 2011-02-03 04:56:01 <luke-jr> but it seems like custom hardware
442 2011-02-03 04:56:25 <welterde> luke-jr: dedicated hardware except for hard disk
443 2011-02-03 04:56:32 <welterde> which is connected via iSCSI
444 2011-02-03 04:57:16 <luke-jr> I know
445 2011-02-03 04:57:56 <welterde> luke-jr: ah.. already know ovh?
446 2011-02-03 04:58:11 <luke-jr> yes
447 2011-02-03 04:58:22 <welterde> well.. I don't think that's custom hardware..
448 2011-02-03 04:58:34 <welterde> probably just mainboards stacked google style
449 2011-02-03 05:01:25 <luke-jr> &
450 2011-02-03 05:01:41 <luke-jr> What I wanted certainly would be :P
451 2011-02-03 05:01:51 <luke-jr> I wanted to throw like 256 ARM systems into a 1U box
452 2011-02-03 05:02:13 <welterde> hehe..
453 2011-02-03 05:02:36 <welterde> btw.. what does MOO under Managed hosting mean? MUD object oriented?
454 2011-02-03 05:02:41 <luke-jr> yes
455 2011-02-03 05:02:58 <luke-jr> means I help you with MOO-related stuff :p
456 2011-02-03 05:03:26 <welterde> why didn't I think of that >_>
457 2011-02-03 05:03:32 <luke-jr> :p
458 2011-02-03 05:03:46 <welterde> I could probably even host a few at home..
459 2011-02-03 05:04:08 <luke-jr> MOOs are dying, unfortunately.
460 2011-02-03 05:04:24 <welterde> :(
461 2011-02-03 05:07:41 <presence> MOOs arent already dead?
462 2011-02-03 05:08:47 <luke-jr> not yet!
463 2011-02-03 05:09:00 <luke-jr> blind people make up about 50% of the MOO world now though
464 2011-02-03 05:09:09 <presence> I remember being a wiz on pegasus decades ago
465 2011-02-03 05:09:15 <luke-jr> I don't know pegasus
466 2011-02-03 05:09:17 <presence> and running tinymuck
467 2011-02-03 05:09:20 <luke-jr> I grew up on KidMud/Kids' MOO
468 2011-02-03 05:10:09 <presence> muck forth was awesome
469 2011-02-03 05:10:10 <presence> heh
470 2011-02-03 05:11:03 <luke-jr> maybe I'll get into MOOs again when my children can read and type
471 2011-02-03 05:11:05 <luke-jr> ;)
472 2011-02-03 05:17:13 <nanotube> luke-jr: you'll have to start a tonal moo. :)
473 2011-02-03 05:17:27 <luke-jr> nanotube: omg I should!
474 2011-02-03 05:17:39 <luke-jr> :p
475 2011-02-03 05:17:42 <nanotube> would be good practice for those who want to learn tonal.
476 2011-02-03 05:17:50 <nanotube> more fun than just reading a book
477 2011-02-03 05:17:54 <luke-jr> not really&
478 2011-02-03 05:18:00 <luke-jr> how often do you use numbers in MOO?
479 2011-02-03 05:18:16 <nanotube> well, put up a bunch of math-based quests. :)
480 2011-02-03 05:20:50 <luke-jr> how do I monitor my Radeon's temps?
481 2011-02-03 05:22:04 <presence> I use my g15 keyboard and AIDE
482 2011-02-03 05:22:09 <presence> but you are running linux
483 2011-02-03 05:23:08 <presence> did you check lm-sesnsors and ksensors?
484 2011-02-03 05:23:58 <luke-jr> &no
485 2011-02-03 05:24:02 <luke-jr> don't even have those installed
486 2011-02-03 05:24:08 <luke-jr> doubt they know GPU exists
487 2011-02-03 05:24:12 <luke-jr> nothign else on my system does XD
488 2011-02-03 05:25:07 <presence> they do
489 2011-02-03 05:25:18 <luke-jr> &
490 2011-02-03 05:26:00 <presence> hmm, mayb not radeon
491 2011-02-03 05:26:10 <presence> http://www.lm-sensors.org/wiki/Devices
492 2011-02-03 05:27:22 <lfm> luke-jr: aticonfig --od-gettemperature
493 2011-02-03 05:28:00 <Kiba> hmm
494 2011-02-03 05:28:18 <presence> I dont have an ati card yet to even look at it
495 2011-02-03 05:31:00 <Vladimir> aticonfig --adapter=all --odgt
496 2011-02-03 05:32:19 <satamusic> may someone link to a tutorial for generating on a 8800 gpu from win7 64bit?  thanks.
497 2011-02-03 05:33:20 <lfm> satamusic:  no tutorials that I know of, just look for cuda miner by puddinpop
498 2011-02-03 05:33:44 <satamusic> using that one but don't know what arguments to use, if any
499 2011-02-03 05:35:22 <luke-jr> lfm: 78 C
500 2011-02-03 05:35:29 <presence> they only "tunable" I know of is agression
501 2011-02-03 05:35:36 <presence> and you probably want to leave it alone
502 2011-02-03 05:35:45 <lfm> satamusic: run bitcoin in -server mode OR join a pool?
503 2011-02-03 05:36:21 <lfm> luke-jr: 78c should be fine
504 2011-02-03 05:36:45 <presence> I dont know how much value there is in running an 8800gpu on its own, but you can earn
505 2011-02-03 05:37:16 <presence> I run my gtx260s at 80-86deg c
506 2011-02-03 05:38:08 <satamusic> i generated 50btc on a 900mhz celeron in a month :p
507 2011-02-03 05:38:19 <satamusic> thanks lfm
508 2011-02-03 05:38:23 <lfm> sata when was that?
509 2011-02-03 05:38:26 <presence> that was prolly ages ago or luck :D
510 2011-02-03 05:38:32 <satamusic> 8/10
511 2011-02-03 05:38:34 <satamusic> luck
512 2011-02-03 05:38:53 <lfm> satamusic: ya difficulty has been going up constantly since then
513 2011-02-03 05:39:09 <luke-jr> wiki has 5850 at 725 MHz, but mine says 765 MHz& why?
514 2011-02-03 05:39:31 <lfm> luke-jr: just lucky I guess
515 2011-02-03 05:39:38 <luke-jr> G?
516 2011-02-03 05:39:52 <lfm> luke-jr: some of those numbers are just estimates
517 2011-02-03 05:40:23 <luke-jr> &..
518 2011-02-03 05:40:27 <lfm> luke-jr: some makers do factory overclocks
519 2011-02-03 05:40:28 <satamusic> just run bitcoin.exe -server    ?
520 2011-02-03 05:40:56 <luke-jr> lfm: like Gigabyte?
521 2011-02-03 05:41:05 <luke-jr> is it safe?
522 2011-02-03 05:41:07 <lfm> satamusic: or server in the config file
523 2011-02-03 05:41:33 <lfm> luke-jr: please dont drill my tooth
524 2011-02-03 05:41:43 <luke-jr> ?
525 2011-02-03 05:42:01 <lfm> luke-jr:  google marathon man
526 2011-02-03 05:44:02 <lfm> luke-jr:  google "marathon man" "Is it safe?"
527 2011-02-03 05:45:55 <jgarzik> slush: question about calculating cluster hash rate... what is 1 share (32-bit target) equivalent to, in mhash/sec?
528 2011-02-03 05:46:39 <lfm> jgarzik: wrong units 1 share is equivalent to 2^32 hashes (not hash/s)
529 2011-02-03 05:47:04 <jgarzik> ok
530 2011-02-03 05:49:03 <OneFixt> for some reason bitcoind let me send from testnet to a live account
531 2011-02-03 05:49:18 <OneFixt> shouldn't there be a check?
532 2011-02-03 05:49:44 <lfm> OneFixt: what exactly did you do?
533 2011-02-03 05:50:08 <OneFixt> used testnet bitcoind to send coins to a mainnet address
534 2011-02-03 05:50:25 <OneFixt> and didn't get an error, the coins were taken out of the wallet
535 2011-02-03 05:50:53 <nanotube> OneFixt: yea, going mainnet -> testnet errors, but the other way doesn't
536 2011-02-03 05:50:59 <echelon> does the bitcoin client not show the khash/s on windows?
537 2011-02-03 05:51:00 <nanotube> dunno why it is the way it is, but it is.
538 2011-02-03 05:51:10 <OneFixt> nanotube: ah, thanks
539 2011-02-03 05:51:16 <OneFixt> i was afraid it was both ways
540 2011-02-03 05:51:20 <lfm> thats no spozed to happen, its a bug should be reported in the dev forum
541 2011-02-03 05:51:24 <nanotube> OneFixt: maybe put in an issue on github. i think it'd be a good idea to have the both-ways check.
542 2011-02-03 05:51:40 <lfm> or github
543 2011-02-03 05:51:41 <OneFixt> hm, i don't have an account ther
544 2011-02-03 05:51:43 <OneFixt> there
545 2011-02-03 05:53:23 <nanotube> OneFixt: hehe
546 2011-02-03 05:59:48 <satamusic> lfm, that made me look into the bitcoin.conf, set user and pass and find out what arguments to pass to rpcminer-cuda.exe, running at 18mhash/s :)
547 2011-02-03 06:01:27 <lfm> satamusic: wtg
548 2011-02-03 06:02:59 <lfm> send tips to 1BDTwgHqXHZqAtT151EKTcfa7Tr3oBMsQ4 :-)
549 2011-02-03 06:04:24 <frewsxcv> i'm having a problem mining with opencl+ati. here's the pastebin http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1017187
550 2011-02-03 06:04:49 <midnightmagic_> could there be a technical reason why miners running on the same machine as bitcoind -testnet would seem to be finding more blocks than miners running on remote machines?
551 2011-02-03 06:05:46 <lfm> midnightmagic shouldnt be significant so long as the networking is working right
552 2011-02-03 06:06:54 <lfm> frewsxcv: platform 0 is your cpu, try 1
553 2011-02-03 06:07:35 <lfm> frewsxcv: I might be wrong about that tho
554 2011-02-03 06:07:49 <midnightmagic_> hrm, that's what i was thinking too. but it's a LAN.
555 2011-02-03 06:08:10 <frewsxcv> lfm: no, 0 is my gpu
556 2011-02-03 06:08:50 <lfm> rval=0 is errors
557 2011-02-03 06:09:33 <frewsxcv> lfm: do i need to connect this to a server?
558 2011-02-03 06:10:05 <lfm> frewsxcv: server or pool
559 2011-02-03 06:11:04 <frewsxcv> all i want to do is mine on my local machine. the official client uses the cpu but i want to use my gpu. what is the easiest way to use my gpu?
560 2011-02-03 06:11:32 <lfm> frewsxcv: keep running bitcoin add server option
561 2011-02-03 06:12:08 <lfm> frewsxcv: you can keep running cpu mining generation or not, up to you
562 2011-02-03 06:12:51 <lfm> -gen=0 option would turn off cpu mining
563 2011-02-03 06:12:54 <sipa> frewsxcv: first find a miner for your platform and gpu
564 2011-02-03 06:13:07 <sipa> then connect that to either your local bitcoind, or to a pool
565 2011-02-03 06:13:44 <frewsxcv> lfm: where do i add server option?
566 2011-02-03 06:14:53 <lfm> frewsxcv: either command line or in config file
567 2011-02-03 06:15:47 <frewsxcv> lfm: so do i not need this opencl executable?
568 2011-02-03 06:16:21 <lfm> frewsxcv: oh for nvidia no, you want the cuda version
569 2011-02-03 06:16:21 <sipa> no you do
570 2011-02-03 06:16:29 <frewsxcv> i have ati
571 2011-02-03 06:16:38 <sipa> then you need opencl
572 2011-02-03 06:16:44 <lfm> oh ok for ati ya use opencl
573 2011-02-03 06:16:55 <sipa> bitcoind only does mining on cpu
574 2011-02-03 06:16:56 <frewsxcv> ah i see
575 2011-02-03 06:17:41 <sipa> but you can use a specialized program which requests work from bitcoind, and does the calculations in gpu
576 2011-02-03 06:25:43 <satamusic> on its way lfm
577 2011-02-03 06:25:55 <lfm> ty
578 2011-02-03 06:27:37 <satamusic> i hope what i sent is enough to buy a small house
579 2011-02-03 06:27:52 <lfm> very funny
580 2011-02-03 06:28:12 <satamusic> :(
581 2011-02-03 06:54:27 <frewsxcv> lfm: any ideas why it still might not be working? how can i test the connectivity with the server?
582 2011-02-03 06:56:31 <lfm> is it reporting hash/s?
583 2011-02-03 06:56:45 <frewsxcv> lfm: no
584 2011-02-03 06:57:12 <frewsxcv> http://pastebin.com/hfLF4D7j
585 2011-02-03 06:57:31 <lfm> maybe have to tell it to connect to localhost or 128.0.0.1
586 2011-02-03 06:58:07 <lfm> i mean 127.0.0.1
587 2011-02-03 06:58:39 <frewsxcv> lfm: look at the flags i passed to it on the first line
588 2011-02-03 06:59:15 <frewsxcv> oh i tried -url=http://127.0.0.1:8332
589 2011-02-03 06:59:22 <lfm> ya, I hope thats not the real password or you change it real soon
590 2011-02-03 06:59:48 <frewsxcv> lfm: why would it matter? i don't use that password anywhere else
591 2011-02-03 07:00:07 <lfm> people can steal your coins with it
592 2011-02-03 07:00:18 <sipa> if your bitcoind isnt reachable from outside youre fine
593 2011-02-03 07:00:20 <frewsxcv> 1) i have 0.6 btc, and 2) it's not even working
594 2011-02-03 07:00:44 <lfm> that target line seems to indicate it is close
595 2011-02-03 07:01:12 <sipa> indeed
596 2011-02-03 07:01:42 <lfm> what model gpu is it?
597 2011-02-03 07:01:52 <frewsxcv> ati 4770
598 2011-02-03 07:05:50 <lfm> the Target= means it has connected to the server and done a getwork
599 2011-02-03 07:06:02 <frewsxcv> hmmm
600 2011-02-03 07:06:41 <lfm> Im still not sure if those rval=0 are errors
601 2011-02-03 07:07:10 <frewsxcv> lfm: i don't need those extensions do i?
602 2011-02-03 07:07:15 <frewsxcv> the ones taht are outputted
603 2011-02-03 07:07:20 <lfm> frewsxcv: what version vid driover is it?
604 2011-02-03 07:07:29 <lfm> driver
605 2011-02-03 07:07:33 <frewsxcv> the latest catalyst whatever that is
606 2011-02-03 07:07:54 <frewsxcv> 2011.0104.2155.39304
607 2011-02-03 07:09:15 <lfm> those extensions look ok to me. the problem is I dont use rpcminer-opencl.exe at all myself and I dont use any opencl on windows myself
608 2011-02-03 07:10:01 <lfm> I been using diablo miner and m0mchill's miner on linux
609 2011-02-03 07:10:33 <frewsxcv> unfortunately, the ati drivers suck for my video card + linux
610 2011-02-03 07:10:50 <frewsxcv> so, i tried using rpcminer-cpu.exe and it's working
611 2011-02-03 07:10:55 <frewsxcv> and i'm aware that's not what i want
612 2011-02-03 07:11:01 <frewsxcv> but the connection is indeed going through
613 2011-02-03 07:11:18 <lfm> can you try the slightly older video drivers from ati, 10-12 or 10-11?
614 2011-02-03 07:12:26 <frewsxcv> should i be getting my drivers through ati or sapphire?
615 2011-02-03 07:12:45 <lfm> just ati i think
616 2011-02-03 07:12:46 <frewsxcv> i mean, it's a saphire ati 4770, but should that make a difference if i just get it through ati's drivers?
617 2011-02-03 07:13:05 <frewsxcv> which one? 10-12 or 10-11?
618 2011-02-03 07:13:16 <lfm> try 10-12
619 2011-02-03 07:26:10 <frewsxcv> lfm: no luck
620 2011-02-03 07:26:56 <lfm> same result then eh? well try the  forum thread for those miners
621 2011-02-03 07:28:43 <satamusic> yep frewsxcv post pastebin, screenshot, and details on the forums
622 2011-02-03 07:29:07 <frewsxcv> uggghh such a waste of time for me
623 2011-02-03 07:29:33 <satamusic> not a waste of time, you learned something :3
624 2011-02-03 07:29:42 <frewsxcv> yeah i guess
625 2011-02-03 07:29:56 <satamusic> and ud still have to wait weekd to generate coin
626 2011-02-03 07:30:16 <satamusic> do the forum thing
627 2011-02-03 07:36:03 <Diablo-D3> holy fucking shit
628 2011-02-03 07:36:11 <Diablo-D3> you know that thrust vps company?
629 2011-02-03 07:36:55 <Diablo-D3> the guy who runs it
630 2011-02-03 07:36:57 <Diablo-D3> is
631 2011-02-03 07:36:59 <Diablo-D3> a total douchebag
632 2011-02-03 07:37:40 <Diablo-D3> and has a history on WHT from fucking people over
633 2011-02-03 07:38:21 <Diablo-D3> man, why isnt that fucker dead and/or in jail yet
634 2011-02-03 07:39:09 <Diablo-D3> thrust vps is the same company as fsckvps and vaserv
635 2011-02-03 07:39:31 <echelon> where can i get some "bitcoin accepted here" logos?
636 2011-02-03 07:39:42 <Diablo-D3> hrm, try the wiki?
637 2011-02-03 07:40:58 <frewsxcv> Diablo-D3: WHT?
638 2011-02-03 07:41:51 <Diablo-D3> frewsxcv: I'd like to tell you about this wonderful website... its called google
639 2011-02-03 07:45:52 <satamusic> haha Diablo-D3 you even checked them out on wht :p
640 2011-02-03 07:46:13 <frewsxcv> so far i haven't experienced a problem
641 2011-02-03 07:46:14 <Diablo-D3> satamusic: I read wht periodically
642 2011-02-03 07:47:06 <satamusic> i found databasebydesign there, i had an unmanaged server and they basically ran the thing for me. good ratings on wht.  the other one i use, wiredtree (managed) also great ratings on wht
643 2011-02-03 07:47:28 <frewsxcv> http://www.feralhosting.com/heron/slots/ also has cheap stuff. though they aren't vps
644 2011-02-03 07:47:39 <Diablo-D3> I dont care for managed shit
645 2011-02-03 07:47:57 <frewsxcv> good for a seedbox
646 2011-02-03 07:49:01 <satamusic> i do, i don't know it all :/
647 2011-02-03 07:50:05 <satamusic> still have managed server with wiredtree, had it since 2007, no problems, no outage (welll.... one), no breakins
648 2011-02-03 07:50:28 <satamusic> i think managed services have their purpose Diablo-D3
649 2011-02-03 07:50:58 <Diablo-D3> yeah, but not when you know more than their techs do
650 2011-02-03 07:51:21 <satamusic> ah not everyone has that advantage
651 2011-02-03 07:51:42 <frewsxcv> Diablo-D3: find me an unmanaged that can beat those specs
652 2011-02-03 07:51:45 <frewsxcv> (feral)
653 2011-02-03 07:52:06 <satamusic> get on wht
654 2011-02-03 07:52:15 <satamusic> and for really low end
655 2011-02-03 07:52:31 <Diablo-D3> frewsxcv: I dont do business with shit companies
656 2011-02-03 07:52:33 <Diablo-D3> you're on your own
657 2011-02-03 07:52:35 <satamusic> http://www.lowendbox.com/
658 2011-02-03 07:52:51 <frewsxcv> Diablo-D3: honestly, just calm down
659 2011-02-03 07:52:52 <satamusic> na, check wht
660 2011-02-03 07:53:18 <satamusic> good companies usually have pages and pages of praise, same for bad companies, tons of complaints
661 2011-02-03 07:54:27 <Diablo-D3> yeah, wht is really useful
662 2011-02-03 07:54:40 <Diablo-D3> well, sometimes anyways
663 2011-02-03 07:54:45 <Diablo-D3> I remember when wht was less popular
664 2011-02-03 07:54:49 <Diablo-D3> as in, better
665 2011-02-03 07:55:27 <satamusic> as in less spam?
666 2011-02-03 07:55:37 <Diablo-D3> well, less bullshit
667 2011-02-03 07:55:56 <Diablo-D3> theres been incidents where a brand new company all the sudden has a shitload of praise
668 2011-02-03 07:56:31 <Diablo-D3> its obviously malicious
669 2011-02-03 07:56:32 <Diablo-D3> but that only happened when everyone realized wht is _the_ advertising spot for small time hosting companies
670 2011-02-03 07:56:44 <satamusic> and then they disappear?
671 2011-02-03 07:56:50 <Diablo-D3> post haste.
672 2011-02-03 07:57:01 <satamusic> frewsxcv http://lmgtfy.com/?q=WHT
673 2011-02-03 07:57:23 <satamusic> and Diablo-D3 (just in case you don't know about the wonderful lmgtfy ;)
674 2011-02-03 07:57:32 <Diablo-D3> Im aware of that
675 2011-02-03 07:57:36 <Diablo-D3> I just like full length snark
676 2011-02-03 07:57:37 <satamusic> :3
677 2011-02-03 07:57:52 <satamusic> and this would be... sneaky snark?
678 2011-02-03 07:57:58 <Diablo-D3> tinyurl-esque snark
679 2011-02-03 07:58:07 <satamusic> ah
680 2011-02-03 07:58:28 <Diablo-D3> but yeah, the companies I like to do business with are ones that HAVE had problems
681 2011-02-03 07:59:07 <Diablo-D3> you look at how they handled the problem
682 2011-02-03 07:59:16 <Diablo-D3> if they handled it well, then they're worth doing business with
683 2011-02-03 07:59:21 <Diablo-D3> if they repeatedly fuck it up, fuck them
684 2011-02-03 07:59:30 <Diablo-D3> if they died out, well that makes your choice easier
685 2011-02-03 07:59:55 <Diablo-D3> new companies who havent had their first big fuckup, they dont really have a good or bad side
686 2011-02-03 08:00:03 <Diablo-D3> and ALL companies WILL have one
687 2011-02-03 08:00:14 <Diablo-D3> it just takes time
688 2011-02-03 08:00:30 <Diablo-D3> theres very few companies that can repeatedly take on shit and thrive
689 2011-02-03 08:00:52 <Diablo-D3> those are the companies that have been around 10+ years, do millions in business every year, and have hundreds of thousands of customers
690 2011-02-03 08:01:26 <Diablo-D3> they are not cheap, sometimes they are even overpriced a tad, but having a company that knows how to handle shit when it goes wrong is worth it's weight in gold
691 2011-02-03 08:01:39 <Diablo-D3> any fucker can rack a few boxes and plug them into the internet
692 2011-02-03 08:01:57 <satamusic> the rack that hosted my vps at wiredtree was down for half hour because of a bad power strip :D  just that once thou, and they called me on my cellphone to let me know!
693 2011-02-03 08:02:02 <Diablo-D3> it takes someone with balls to stand up to shit
694 2011-02-03 08:02:14 <Diablo-D3> satamusic: yeah, shit like that happens
695 2011-02-03 08:02:34 <Diablo-D3> steadfast, which is a DC in chicago that hosts like two dozen big companies
696 2011-02-03 08:02:34 <satamusic> a $5 power strip...
697 2011-02-03 08:02:50 <Diablo-D3> accidently tripped the main building power
698 2011-02-03 08:03:00 <satamusic> tsk tsk
699 2011-02-03 08:03:01 <satamusic> shit happens
700 2011-02-03 08:03:12 <Diablo-D3> rapidxen chicago, all the other steadfast customers, AND half the building was down for like an hour
701 2011-02-03 08:03:16 <Diablo-D3> it happens
702 2011-02-03 08:03:30 <satamusic> didnt the planet have an explosion a few years ago?
703 2011-02-03 08:03:38 <Diablo-D3> last year I think
704 2011-02-03 08:03:46 <Diablo-D3> power rectifier nuked itself
705 2011-02-03 08:03:54 <Diablo-D3> thats pretty rare though
706 2011-02-03 08:04:01 <Diablo-D3> had to have been a manufacturing defect
707 2011-02-03 08:04:15 <Diablo-D3> btw, $5 power strip? no
708 2011-02-03 08:04:20 <Diablo-D3> a lot of companies use ones like I have
709 2011-02-03 08:04:35 <Diablo-D3> $25 power strip thats _just_ a power strip
710 2011-02-03 08:04:41 <Diablo-D3> no surge protection, no nothing else
711 2011-02-03 08:04:56 <satamusic> hmm they run racks on DC power?
712 2011-02-03 08:04:57 <Diablo-D3> metal body, solid construction, secure plug that can survive heavy use
713 2011-02-03 08:05:00 <lfm> rack mount nothing costs $5
714 2011-02-03 08:05:10 <lfm> maybe a bolt
715 2011-02-03 08:05:19 <Diablo-D3> I have two under my desk
716 2011-02-03 08:05:23 <Diablo-D3> some triplite shit
717 2011-02-03 08:05:28 <Diablo-D3> very very nice
718 2011-02-03 08:06:03 <Diablo-D3> satamusic: btw, no
719 2011-02-03 08:06:04 <satamusic> still funny how a $25 power strip brings down a whole rack and tons of servers with it
720 2011-02-03 08:06:06 <Diablo-D3> depends on the place though
721 2011-02-03 08:06:18 <Diablo-D3> satamusic: well, sounds like they cheaped out
722 2011-02-03 08:06:27 <Diablo-D3> a PDU usually doesnt fry
723 2011-02-03 08:06:29 <Diablo-D3> it DOES happen
724 2011-02-03 08:06:32 <Diablo-D3> its just exceedingly rare
725 2011-02-03 08:06:38 <satamusic> manuf defect
726 2011-02-03 08:06:53 <Diablo-D3> btw, with DC power, there ARE some that use 48v DC
727 2011-02-03 08:06:57 <Diablo-D3> google does, for example
728 2011-02-03 08:07:27 <satamusic> what was it that happened at the planet related to nuked power rectifier?
729 2011-02-03 08:07:30 <Diablo-D3> they replaced the PSUs with partially disassembled UPSes
730 2011-02-03 08:07:59 <Diablo-D3> so it has an extremely tiny battery (like 5-10 minutes), and takes 48v off the line and sends 48v to the computer
731 2011-02-03 08:08:24 <Diablo-D3> then they step it down to 12v and use a pico psu
732 2011-02-03 08:08:35 <Diablo-D3> satamusic: cant quite remember
733 2011-02-03 08:08:41 <satamusic> so less conversion loss?
734 2011-02-03 08:08:43 <Diablo-D3> yeah very little conversion loss
735 2011-02-03 08:08:48 <Diablo-D3> thats why you use 48V dc to begin with
736 2011-02-03 08:09:04 <Diablo-D3> but google basically started assembling custom PSUs en masse to make it chepaer
737 2011-02-03 08:09:28 <Diablo-D3> I wonder if they fab them now
738 2011-02-03 08:09:54 <Diablo-D3> but the way they did it, they figured out its much cheaper
739 2011-02-03 08:10:01 <Diablo-D3> like
740 2011-02-03 08:10:05 <Diablo-D3> no wasting room on a rack for an UPS
741 2011-02-03 08:10:09 <lfm> ya just hire a factory in china to do a run whenever they need more
742 2011-02-03 08:10:11 <satamusic> the planet explosion was in 2003 and 2008
743 2011-02-03 08:10:16 <Diablo-D3> satamusic: and?!
744 2011-02-03 08:10:23 <satamusic> they must have a factory just for themselves
745 2011-02-03 08:10:24 <Diablo-D3> I remember the 2008 one
746 2011-02-03 08:10:34 <Diablo-D3> wow, its been that long?
747 2011-02-03 08:10:35 <Diablo-D3> heh
748 2011-02-03 08:10:39 <Diablo-D3> I thought it was like a year
749 2011-02-03 08:10:42 <Diablo-D3> not 3
750 2011-02-03 08:10:52 <Diablo-D3> but yeah, like, google's trick worked
751 2011-02-03 08:10:54 <Diablo-D3> they're happy with it
752 2011-02-03 08:10:58 <Diablo-D3> I dont expect anyone else to try it
753 2011-02-03 08:11:12 <Diablo-D3> but most places just use 120 or three phase 208 drops
754 2011-02-03 08:11:21 <satamusic> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/08/06/01/1715247/Explosion-At-ThePlanet-Datacenter-Drops-9000-Servers
755 2011-02-03 08:11:44 <Diablo-D3> heh
756 2011-02-03 08:11:50 <satamusic> why wont anybody else try it?
757 2011-02-03 08:11:52 <Diablo-D3> this is the story I learned it from too
758 2011-02-03 08:12:01 <Diablo-D3> google could do it because they have like a million boxes
759 2011-02-03 08:12:12 <lfm> cuz tesla beat edison
760 2011-02-03 08:12:14 <Diablo-D3> custom ordering shit and assembling it themselves is cheap
761 2011-02-03 08:12:17 <satamusic> lol lfm
762 2011-02-03 08:12:27 <Diablo-D3> now, otoh
763 2011-02-03 08:12:34 <Diablo-D3> I can get an industrial PSU
764 2011-02-03 08:12:36 <Diablo-D3> meant for welding
765 2011-02-03 08:13:03 <Diablo-D3> that is rated for like 25k watts
766 2011-02-03 08:13:05 <Diablo-D3> and outputs 12v