1 2011-02-05 00:01:21 <presence> yay I broke the 100btc barrier
  2 2011-02-05 00:01:37 <sipa> mined?
  3 2011-02-05 00:01:45 <presence> yeas
  4 2011-02-05 00:02:37 <presence> ups is holding up my 5870s those jackasses
  5 2011-02-05 00:03:38 <Kiba> we need a shipping price ar!
  6 2011-02-05 00:03:42 <Kiba> s/ar/war
  7 2011-02-05 00:03:55 <presence> Id prefer ups go away entirely
  8 2011-02-05 00:04:01 <luke-jr> better than FedEx
  9 2011-02-05 00:04:02 <presence> since they suck yet every damn vendor uses them
 10 2011-02-05 00:04:14 <presence> Id take fedex over ups every time
 11 2011-02-05 00:04:26 <luke-jr> FedEx holds onto the pkg to make it take the maximum delivery time
 12 2011-02-05 00:04:30 <luke-jr> UPS just gets it there ASAP
 13 2011-02-05 00:04:41 <luke-jr> so if I buy on Monday, UPS gets it to me by Wed usually
 14 2011-02-05 00:04:43 <presence> at least if they attempt to deliver, you arent hosed
 15 2011-02-05 00:04:47 <luke-jr> FedEx, I need to wait until next Mon
 16 2011-02-05 00:04:59 <Kiba> somebody needs to cannibalize the USPS
 17 2011-02-05 00:05:05 <presence> where as with ups you HAVE to wait for the next day, and if you arent there again, finally you can have them hold it
 18 2011-02-05 00:05:07 <luke-jr> well, don't go out when you're expecting a pkg duh
 19 2011-02-05 00:05:30 <presence> there is this thing called work...I hate going there, but for some reason I feel compelled
 20 2011-02-05 00:05:38 <luke-jr> n00b, work from home
 21 2011-02-05 00:05:48 <presence> and I work from home 3 out of 5 days, YET, thats always wwhen shit delivers
 22 2011-02-05 00:06:15 <luke-jr> so get a wife :p
 23 2011-02-05 00:06:26 <presence> I had one...she died...Im not getting another.
 24 2011-02-05 00:06:33 <luke-jr> there's basically *no* time when someone isn't here
 25 2011-02-05 00:06:46 <Kiba> GIMME JOBS!
 26 2011-02-05 00:07:06 <luke-jr> Kiba: can I hire you to promote Tonal?
 27 2011-02-05 00:07:11 <presence> steve jobs is kinda indesposed
 28 2011-02-05 00:07:23 <Kiba> luke-jr: 10 BTC in my signature space
 29 2011-02-05 00:07:34 <luke-jr> lol
 30 2011-02-05 00:07:54 <luke-jr> the irony of paying for Tonal promotion in decimal units XD
 31 2011-02-05 00:08:08 <Kiba> well, gottach fix up my connection
 32 2011-02-05 00:08:09 <Kiba> bbl
 33 2011-02-05 00:08:55 <luke-jr> (10.73741824 BTC)
 34 2011-02-05 00:11:16 <luke-jr> tcatm: what is the effect of throwing away nonces?
 35 2011-02-05 00:11:30 <tcatm> luke-jr: reducing effective hashrate
 36 2011-02-05 00:11:39 <presence> why does there need to be 100 different btc
 37 2011-02-05 00:12:38 <luke-jr> tcatm: so, with m0m's I might see 6 MH/s more, but it's really less in practice?
 38 2011-02-05 00:12:46 <tcatm> yep
 39 2011-02-05 00:12:55 <luke-jr> any way to calculate the loss?
 40 2011-02-05 00:13:18 <tcatm> see lastlog ~12h ago
 41 2011-02-05 00:13:24 <OneFixt> luke-jr: mom fixed it, the code is in git
 42 2011-02-05 00:13:30 <OneFixt> m0m*
 43 2011-02-05 00:14:06 <luke-jr> OneFixt: the only recent fix I see in m0m's is pool-related
 44 2011-02-05 00:14:20 <OneFixt> the effect was 3.5% for a card running around 300MHs at -f 1, now it's .02% or so
 45 2011-02-05 00:14:40 <OneFixt> oh, you were asking something else?
 46 2011-02-05 00:15:11 <OneFixt> what do you mean by throwing away nonces?
 47 2011-02-05 00:16:03 <luke-jr> "This miner checks *all* solutions and doesn't throw away nonces like poclbm and DiabloMiner do to save bandwidth."
 48 2011-02-05 00:16:18 <luke-jr> same post: "Does not work with pools."
 49 2011-02-05 00:16:34 <luke-jr> tcatm: I only see pool-related talk about 12h ago
 50 2011-02-05 00:16:59 <OneFixt> it's much more efficient to "throw away nonces" than to work an extra second on a possibly stale block
 51 2011-02-05 00:18:21 <kiba> so folks
 52 2011-02-05 00:18:27 <kiba> resistance had been supported
 53 2011-02-05 00:18:36 <kiba> err
 54 2011-02-05 00:18:58 <kiba> resistance support is now at .82 USD with 11022 BTC
 55 2011-02-05 00:19:21 <kiba> that mean it will takes 9000 USD before we start going downhill
 56 2011-02-05 00:23:09 <kiba> luke-jr: you like my offer?
 57 2011-02-05 00:23:25 <luke-jr> kiba: nah, you'd probably keep dissing Tonal despite the sig :P
 58 2011-02-05 00:23:27 <kiba> luke-jr: I have the most posts than anybody on the forum AND I have 11 posts a day
 59 2011-02-05 00:23:55 <kiba> luke-jr: I promise that I won't
 60 2011-02-05 00:24:07 <kiba> because it is in my interest to have advertisers buy my signature space
 61 2011-02-05 00:24:18 <luke-jr> I wouldn't know *how* to promote Tonal with a sig anyway
 62 2011-02-05 00:24:29 <kiba> 1 BTC!
 63 2011-02-05 00:24:35 <luke-jr> &
 64 2011-02-05 00:24:59 <kiba> it's only like 82 cents
 65 2011-02-05 00:25:01 <luke-jr> what does "1 BTC!" mean? :p
 66 2011-02-05 00:25:19 <kiba> a month of signature advertising
 67 2011-02-05 00:25:23 <EvanR> kiba: ill criticize tonal for you during your contract with luke-jr for .5BTC per remark, up to a max of 100 remarks
 68 2011-02-05 00:25:30 <kiba> that mean, 30 days worth of advertising
 69 2011-02-05 00:25:46 <luke-jr> EvanR: kiba knows you'd do it anyway
 70 2011-02-05 00:26:08 <kiba> luke-jr: it's the most fantasic advertising deal
 71 2011-02-05 00:26:13 <kiba> I have a high reputation
 72 2011-02-05 00:26:14 <EvanR> yeah but i do it currently for more, im giving him a discount
 73 2011-02-05 00:26:33 <luke-jr> kiba: but if you sell advertising for stuff you disagree with, won't that hurt your reputation? :P
 74 2011-02-05 00:26:50 <kiba> No, because I am known to be a particularly greedy bitcoiner
 75 2011-02-05 00:26:57 <kiba> who will do almost anything for bitcoin
 76 2011-02-05 00:26:57 <luke-jr> XD
 77 2011-02-05 00:27:05 <EvanR> reputation for profitable business? helps!
 78 2011-02-05 00:27:29 <EvanR> kiba: like send naked pictures to xelister ?
 79 2011-02-05 00:27:35 <kiba> No
 80 2011-02-05 00:27:35 <luke-jr> kiba: convince me your sig-space is *capable* of promoting Tonal reasonably, and I'll pay 1 PTBC ;)
 81 2011-02-05 00:27:58 <kiba> highest post rate, highest number of posts, high reputation
 82 2011-02-05 00:28:06 <luke-jr> yes, but it's still *just a sig*
 83 2011-02-05 00:28:27 <EvanR> kiba: couldnt luke-jr just make an annoying post right after you on the forum?
 84 2011-02-05 00:28:33 <EvanR> each time you post?
 85 2011-02-05 00:28:54 <kiba> I only post when I want to and I post a lot!
 86 2011-02-05 00:29:25 <kiba> right now, I am trying to pry bitcoins from luke-jr's hand
 87 2011-02-05 00:29:30 <luke-jr> lol
 88 2011-02-05 00:30:04 <kiba> he seem to be a rather hard fellow to pry bitcoins from
 89 2011-02-05 00:30:25 <luke-jr> I'm cheap. :p
 90 2011-02-05 00:30:43 <kiba> it's only a fricking bitcoin!
 91 2011-02-05 00:30:48 <luke-jr> lol
 92 2011-02-05 00:30:56 <kiba> how about .50 BTC?
 93 2011-02-05 00:31:15 <kiba> half of a bitcoin
 94 2011-02-05 00:31:17 <luke-jr> you forget .5 BTC was about a day's mining for me not long ago
 95 2011-02-05 00:31:31 <kiba> .01 BTC
 96 2011-02-05 00:31:33 <kiba> and that's it
 97 2011-02-05 00:31:34 <EvanR> ill put an ad in my nick for 1BTC
 98 2011-02-05 00:31:35 <luke-jr> lol fine XD
 99 2011-02-05 00:31:44 <EvanR> EvanR-eat-at-joes
100 2011-02-05 00:31:47 <luke-jr> EvanR: that wasn't to you
101 2011-02-05 00:32:07 <EvanR> EvanR-use-tonal
102 2011-02-05 00:32:16 <kiba> so, luke-jr
103 2011-02-05 00:32:20 <kiba> do we have a deal?
104 2011-02-05 00:32:49 <luke-jr> fine fine kiba
105 2011-02-05 00:33:10 <kiba> I need to step up my neogitating skill :(
106 2011-02-05 00:33:45 <kiba> luke-jr: I'll just put "Luke-jr would like you to use tonal" with a link to the wiki entry on tonal system on the bitcoin wiki
107 2011-02-05 00:34:15 <luke-jr> x.x
108 2011-02-05 00:34:20 <luke-jr> everyone knows *that*
109 2011-02-05 00:36:40 <luke-jr> kiba: we need to think up a way to *promote* bitcoin, not just staticly say "Luke-Jr likes it!"
110 2011-02-05 00:37:06 <kiba> luke-jr: and it needs to fit my signature space
111 2011-02-05 00:38:57 <luke-jr> so any ideas? :P
112 2011-02-05 00:39:06 <luke-jr> I'll send the moneys as soon as I fix my bitcoind
113 2011-02-05 00:39:09 <luke-jr> it appears to be buggy
114 2011-02-05 00:39:11 <luke-jr> x.x
115 2011-02-05 00:39:51 <presence> what is better about tonal bitcoin than bitcoin
116 2011-02-05 00:40:05 <presence> ultimately, if it translates to $$$ it doesnt matter if its bitcoin or sewercoin
117 2011-02-05 00:40:14 <luke-jr> presence: tonal and decimal are two number systems; bitcoin is common to both applications
118 2011-02-05 00:40:22 <presence> right
119 2011-02-05 00:40:28 <luke-jr> it's like why is decimal better than roman numerals
120 2011-02-05 00:40:39 <presence> for what?
121 2011-02-05 00:40:45 <luke-jr> &
122 2011-02-05 00:41:02 <presence> I dont care what it is because ultimately, unless some micronation picks up bitcoin, its going to be $
123 2011-02-05 00:42:27 <luke-jr> :p
124 2011-02-05 00:42:52 <luke-jr> presence: the tonal number system is designed to be more natural for humans, and thus, once learned, easier to work with
125 2011-02-05 00:43:46 <kiba> the network effect work against you, luke-jr!
126 2011-02-05 00:44:15 <luke-jr> kiba: ?
127 2011-02-05 00:45:16 <luke-jr> fixed & sent
128 2011-02-05 00:45:22 <luke-jr> bitcoind's JSON lib has a bug
129 2011-02-05 00:45:30 <luke-jr> worked around it :p
130 2011-02-05 00:47:07 <kiba> ok, I see the credit
131 2011-02-05 00:48:09 <kiba> clearly, it will be a continous struggle to find new jobs
132 2011-02-05 00:48:55 <luke-jr> kiba: since I do not wish to spend in decimal, I sent you 10 TBC
133 2011-02-05 00:49:08 <luke-jr> so& now the question is how to promote Tonal with a sig
134 2011-02-05 00:49:50 <luke-jr> I am not sure how, without setting up a website or wiki page explicitly advocating Tonal.
135 2011-02-05 00:50:53 <EvanR> wait you didnt do that yet?
136 2011-02-05 00:51:06 <luke-jr> no
137 2011-02-05 00:51:16 <luke-jr> but I know where to get good arguments :
138 2011-02-05 00:51:35 <luke-jr> advocating Tonal might be off-topic for the wiki, dunno
139 2011-02-05 00:51:45 <EvanR> just a little
140 2011-02-05 00:52:01 <luke-jr> Wiki seems to be more of a technology specification/explanation thing
141 2011-02-05 00:52:07 <luke-jr> not so much advocacy
142 2011-02-05 00:52:09 <EvanR> denotation of numbers is not applicable to every project on freenode that displays numbers somewhere
143 2011-02-05 00:52:32 <EvanR> such as bitcoin
144 2011-02-05 00:54:12 <kiba> who runs bitcoin bonus?
145 2011-02-05 00:54:52 <andrew12> o/ i've got ipv6 now :D
146 2011-02-05 00:55:02 <andrew12> thanks to hurricane electric
147 2011-02-05 00:55:09 <presence> I did thhat thursday
148 2011-02-05 00:55:35 <luke-jr> andrew12: congrats
149 2011-02-05 00:55:39 <andrew12> i wonder how hard it would be to make it work on my router
150 2011-02-05 00:55:41 <luke-jr> but nobody can see with a cloak :P
151 2011-02-05 00:55:47 <presence> whats the router?
152 2011-02-05 00:55:48 <luke-jr> andrew12: depends on your route
153 2011-02-05 00:55:50 <andrew12> ddwrt
154 2011-02-05 00:55:50 <luke-jr> r
155 2011-02-05 00:55:58 <luke-jr> IIRC DD-Wrt supports it again
156 2011-02-05 00:56:09 <luke-jr> I had to switch to OpenWrt for half-working QoS tho
157 2011-02-05 00:56:13 <andrew12> did my host change?
158 2011-02-05 00:56:20 <luke-jr> andrew12: you're cloaked&
159 2011-02-05 00:56:23 <andrew12> then wtf does +i do
160 2011-02-05 00:56:25 <andrew12> heh
161 2011-02-05 00:56:27 <luke-jr> nfc
162 2011-02-05 00:56:30 <luke-jr> oh
163 2011-02-05 00:56:33 <luke-jr> probably hides channels you're in
164 2011-02-05 00:56:36 <luke-jr> from /whois
165 2011-02-05 00:57:13 <dirtyfilthy> can someone look at this and tell me if i'm talking out my ass or not: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/OP_CHECKSIG
166 2011-02-05 00:58:31 <andrew12> so now that i'm using linux, what terminal do you guys suggest i use? :p
167 2011-02-05 00:58:44 <andrew12> xterm doesn't suffice
168 2011-02-05 00:58:45 <presence> putty
169 2011-02-05 00:58:48 <presence> :D
170 2011-02-05 00:59:05 <EvanR> i suggest you use xterm
171 2011-02-05 00:59:12 <andrew12> EvanR: make xterm not suck then
172 2011-02-05 00:59:12 <sipa> waaaah
173 2011-02-05 00:59:14 <sipa> [2/5/11 2:49:11 AM] [#1 1485] 0000000000004129b80489a1543d8362d198f826b1c2992506d12ab8a39f80f0 (score 257461.58)
174 2011-02-05 00:59:18 <EvanR> done
175 2011-02-05 00:59:29 <presence> xterm is completely tunable
176 2011-02-05 00:59:35 <andrew12> make it have a black background, and make alt+2 not do ???
177 2011-02-05 00:59:38 <presence> you can change it easily
178 2011-02-05 00:59:40 <EvanR> done
179 2011-02-05 01:00:04 <andrew12> i had it like that a while ago but that wasnt on this install
180 2011-02-05 01:00:18 <andrew12> lol
181 2011-02-05 01:00:22 <andrew12> cant remember how either
182 2011-02-05 01:00:26 <sipa> that's possibly the "best" block ever :o
183 2011-02-05 01:03:55 <EvanR> the slush pool doesnt show as much :(
184 2011-02-05 01:04:03 <EvanR> how long has it been since last block found
185 2011-02-05 01:04:27 <andrew12> ;;bc,stats
186 2011-02-05 01:04:29 <gribble> Current Blocks: 106265 | Current Difficulty: 22012.4941572 | Next Difficulty At Block: 106847 | Next Difficulty In: 582 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 11 hours, 25 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 25098.33137567
187 2011-02-05 01:04:38 <andrew12> hm
188 2011-02-05 01:04:47 <EvanR> i mean, on the pool
189 2011-02-05 01:04:52 <andrew12> oh
190 2011-02-05 01:04:55 <andrew12> ;;bc,poolstats
191 2011-02-05 01:04:56 <gribble> {"active_workers": 391, "hashes_ps": 31275432994.362415, "getwork_ps": 121}
192 2011-02-05 01:05:00 <andrew12> not really useful
193 2011-02-05 01:05:01 <andrew12> heh
194 2011-02-05 01:05:18 <andrew12> hm
195 2011-02-05 01:05:53 <andrew12> does the pool always use the same address to put the 50 btc into before it actually sends it to the miners?
196 2011-02-05 01:06:15 <EvanR> generation always uses a new address
197 2011-02-05 01:06:20 <andrew12> oic
198 2011-02-05 01:07:02 <dirtyfilthy> andrew12: what distro are you running?
199 2011-02-05 01:07:06 <andrew12> archlinux
200 2011-02-05 01:08:09 <dirtyfilthy> as a desktop os? heh.
201 2011-02-05 01:08:20 <andrew12> yes?
202 2011-02-05 01:08:28 <dirtyfilthy> masochistic :P
203 2011-02-05 01:08:47 <andrew12> what?
204 2011-02-05 01:08:55 <andrew12> i like having to do everything myself
205 2011-02-05 01:09:00 <dirtyfilthy> it's eh, *pretty minimal*
206 2011-02-05 01:09:07 <andrew12> heh
207 2011-02-05 01:09:09 <andrew12> indeed
208 2011-02-05 01:09:14 <andrew12> hm
209 2011-02-05 01:09:15 <presence> might as well run plan9 as a desktop
210 2011-02-05 01:11:14 <andrew12> its mainly because I <3 pacman
211 2011-02-05 01:11:21 <andrew12> (i guess)
212 2011-02-05 01:11:22 <EvanR> arch is pretty far from having to do everything yourself
213 2011-02-05 01:11:27 <EvanR> it even breaks everything for you!
214 2011-02-05 01:11:42 <EvanR> pacman, eats your system
215 2011-02-05 01:11:45 <andrew12> heh
216 2011-02-05 01:11:46 <EvanR> wakka wakka
217 2011-02-05 01:11:56 <andrew12> there's also clyde
218 2011-02-05 01:13:26 <EvanR> i just reached 25 coins on the pool
219 2011-02-05 01:13:33 <EvanR> that means about a day has passed
220 2011-02-05 01:13:40 <EvanR> i should use this instead of clocks
221 2011-02-05 01:13:48 <echelon> your personal khps?
222 2011-02-05 01:14:09 <EvanR> 620M
223 2011-02-05 01:14:17 <echelon> :/
224 2011-02-05 01:16:31 <echelon> ati radeon 5970's sold out on newegg?
225 2011-02-05 01:16:50 <EvanR> heh
226 2011-02-05 01:16:54 <echelon> err.. there's two of them
227 2011-02-05 01:17:13 <echelon> one for $909.99 and another for $549.99
228 2011-02-05 01:17:19 <echelon> which one is the recommended one?
229 2011-02-05 01:17:34 <EvanR> what exactly is the one for 909?
230 2011-02-05 01:17:34 <sipa> the first one is probably clocked at 850?
231 2011-02-05 01:17:52 <echelon> yeah, 850
232 2011-02-05 01:18:01 <EvanR> thats shit
233 2011-02-05 01:18:16 <EvanR> the other one comes at 755 by default
234 2011-02-05 01:18:20 <echelon> but the 725 one says it can be up to +30% with ovevolt tool
235 2011-02-05 01:18:27 <sipa> 725
236 2011-02-05 01:18:29 <EvanR> 725?
237 2011-02-05 01:18:50 <sipa> normal 5970's are 725MHz
238 2011-02-05 01:19:24 <echelon> how does it compared to the nvidia tesla's?
239 2011-02-05 01:19:41 <sipa> far superior
240 2011-02-05 01:19:48 <sipa> for bitcoin mining at least
241 2011-02-05 01:19:49 <echelon> oh
242 2011-02-05 01:20:31 <sipa> nvidia hardware is better for less parallel things (doing more different things at once), and very bad at integer arith (which is needed for sha256)
243 2011-02-05 01:21:54 <ArtForz> actually they're not worse at integer than at single precision
244 2011-02-05 01:22:09 <ArtForz> they're simply that slow in general
245 2011-02-05 01:37:25 <presence> artforz gets 50btc from amd every time he says that :D
246 2011-02-05 01:39:14 <x6763> dirtyfilthy: any idea how to deserialize and serialize private keys that are stored in the wallet?
247 2011-02-05 01:39:26 <x6763> w/ bouncycastle?
248 2011-02-05 01:40:00 <ArtForz> iirc they're standard DER encoded
249 2011-02-05 01:41:06 <presence> I hates you ups
250 2011-02-05 01:41:17 <presence> every waypoint ADVERSE WEATHER CONDITIONS[X]
251 2011-02-05 01:41:29 <presence> that might be good if the waypoint CHANGED FROM MEMPHIS, TN, US
252 2011-02-05 01:43:49 <x6763> ArtForz: thanks, i'll see if i can figure it out from that
253 2011-02-05 02:03:41 <luke-jr> echelon: basically, Nvidia sucks
254 2011-02-05 02:03:51 <echelon> heh ok
255 2011-02-05 02:13:42 <kiba> ya know...
256 2011-02-05 02:13:58 <kiba> we only have 2279 members on the bitcoin forum
257 2011-02-05 02:15:23 <kiba> luke-jr: thought of an advertising phrase?
258 2011-02-05 02:18:39 <luke-jr> kiba: hmm, not yet
259 2011-02-05 02:18:42 <echelon> kiba, came up with a name for the magazine?
260 2011-02-05 02:19:02 <kiba> The Bitcoin Weekly(sorry that I can't figure out something more novel)
261 2011-02-05 02:19:13 <echelon> :/
262 2011-02-05 02:19:24 <luke-jr> lol
263 2011-02-05 02:19:49 <kiba> anyway, the magazine is not going to write itself
264 2011-02-05 02:19:57 <luke-jr> kiba: I'll come up with something
265 2011-02-05 02:21:04 <kiba> you got until Monday until you at least write a rough draft
266 2011-02-05 02:21:07 <kiba> err
267 2011-02-05 02:21:18 <kiba> for at least a rough draft
268 2011-02-05 02:21:29 <echelon> what are the topics
269 2011-02-05 02:21:48 <kiba> political philosophy, economics, entrepenurship
270 2011-02-05 02:21:50 <kiba> hmm
271 2011-02-05 02:22:13 <kiba> and miscellenous
272 2011-02-05 02:22:14 <echelon> a lot of federal reserve bashing?
273 2011-02-05 02:22:39 <kiba> no ad hom
274 2011-02-05 02:23:10 <echelon> how about a comic strip
275 2011-02-05 02:25:01 <echelon> should adjust the price per issue depending on the market rate, and make older issues cheaper
276 2011-02-05 02:27:00 <echelon> i'm going to have to change my prices too for my website
277 2011-02-05 02:27:05 <dirtyfilthy> x6763: in the current wallet?
278 2011-02-05 02:27:19 <x6763> dirtyfilthy: yeah
279 2011-02-05 02:27:31 <luke-jr> kiba: hey, I'm the one paying. I make the rules :P
280 2011-02-05 02:28:17 <dirtyfilthy> x6763: https://github.com/dirtyfilthy/bc_key/blob/master/bc_key.c
281 2011-02-05 02:28:55 <dirtyfilthy> i have no idea in java with bouncy castle
282 2011-02-05 02:29:45 <luke-jr> btw, do you know why SI was adopted over Tonal?
283 2011-02-05 02:31:11 <x6763> dirtyfilthy: thanks
284 2011-02-05 02:32:45 <luke-jr> "We are, nevertheless, sorry that we cannot give it our support, having by the very constitution of our society, and from its first foundation, adopted the number 10 as the basis for such a system." -Vice President and Resident Secretary of the International Association
285 2011-02-05 02:33:23 <luke-jr> don't you just love such great excuses as "we already decided on 10 before opening for input, kthx"? :p
286 2011-02-05 02:51:20 <EvanR> luke-jr: thats what i was going to say
287 2011-02-05 02:51:32 <EvanR> (the quote)
288 2011-02-05 02:51:56 <EvanR> its like saying lets have 25 hours days
289 2011-02-05 02:52:15 <EvanR> or lets drive on the left side of the road
290 2011-02-05 02:52:56 <andrew12> heh
291 2011-02-05 02:53:31 <luke-jr> LOL
292 2011-02-05 02:54:00 <Cusipzzz> we already decided on 10 before opening for input, kthx
293 2011-02-05 02:54:02 <Cusipzzz> imo
294 2011-02-05 02:54:06 <Cusipzzz> :)
295 2011-02-05 02:54:31 <luke-jr> EvanR: you DO realize most of the world drives on the left side of the road?
296 2011-02-05 02:54:48 <andrew12> let's make a system like the metric system that uses powers of 2 instead of powers of 10
297 2011-02-05 02:54:52 <EvanR> no i dont think they do
298 2011-02-05 02:55:00 <Cusipzzz> lol
299 2011-02-05 02:55:11 <presence> most countries do, most drivers dont
300 2011-02-05 02:55:29 <andrew12> most of the people with cars live in the us
301 2011-02-05 02:55:40 <presence> ding ding ding
302 2011-02-05 02:55:45 <andrew12> therefore most of the world drives on the right side
303 2011-02-05 02:55:52 <andrew12> q.e.d. bitches
304 2011-02-05 02:56:11 <andrew12> (ok that last part wasnt necessary)
305 2011-02-05 02:56:19 <EvanR> the british empire used to own 70% of the earths surface, and they drive on the left, so proof by proxy
306 2011-02-05 02:56:31 <presence> how much do they own now?
307 2011-02-05 02:56:34 <andrew12> emphasis on *used*
308 2011-02-05 02:56:38 <presence> and since cars were around?
309 2011-02-05 02:56:54 <EvanR> factored out the time dependence
310 2011-02-05 02:59:27 <luke-jr> yawn
311 2011-02-05 02:59:38 <luke-jr> you know what the number one biggest flaw with the Tonal System is?
312 2011-02-05 02:59:53 <Cusipzzz> it sucks ?
313 2011-02-05 02:59:55 <Cusipzzz> o.O
314 2011-02-05 03:00:06 <presence> noone uses it?
315 2011-02-05 03:00:23 <Cusipzzz> lol
316 2011-02-05 03:00:27 <Cusipzzz> that's #2
317 2011-02-05 03:00:29 <presence> more uses the klingon system
318 2011-02-05 03:00:30 <luke-jr> presence: that's not a problem with the system
319 2011-02-05 03:00:36 <luke-jr> Cusipzzz: your guess is false
320 2011-02-05 03:00:39 <luke-jr> any other guesses, before I say?
321 2011-02-05 03:00:48 <presence> you can have the most awesome system on the planet (like betamax) but still not be useful
322 2011-02-05 03:01:22 <luke-jr> presence: other people using it is only required for interaction with others
323 2011-02-05 03:01:55 <luke-jr> ok, no more guesses I take it
324 2011-02-05 03:02:03 <luke-jr> the biggest problem is the pronunciation of digits
325 2011-02-05 03:02:19 <presence> what, is there a derf?
326 2011-02-05 03:02:20 <luke-jr> by/vy especially
327 2011-02-05 03:02:37 <luke-jr> by/vy/fy
328 2011-02-05 03:02:45 <luke-jr> my daughter has a hard time with the difference
329 2011-02-05 03:03:04 <Cusipzzz> brainwashin early, eh? using a dvorak keyboard, too ?
330 2011-02-05 03:03:12 <luke-jr> Cusipzzz: a tonal dvorak keyboard
331 2011-02-05 03:03:15 <Cusipzzz> lol
332 2011-02-05 03:03:22 <luke-jr> http://luke.dashjr.org/education/tonal/keyboard/dvorak-tonal.png
333 2011-02-05 03:03:36 <Cusipzzz> wow
334 2011-02-05 03:03:58 <Cusipzzz> poor kid going to be lost in the real world
335 2011-02-05 03:04:11 <luke-jr> nah, she's learning decimal also
336 2011-02-05 03:04:20 <Cusipzzz> and qwerty?
337 2011-02-05 03:04:55 <luke-jr> no
338 2011-02-05 03:04:58 <luke-jr> qwerty is useless
339 2011-02-05 03:05:19 <presence> better have her carry a keyboard everywhere she goes with the proper interface
340 2011-02-05 03:06:25 <Cusipzzz> ps/2 connection !
341 2011-02-05 03:09:09 <luke-jr> presence: not difficult
342 2011-02-05 03:09:37 <luke-jr> we have handheld computers already today; by the time she ever needs one, they should be readily available I hope
343 2011-02-05 03:09:54 <luke-jr> in any case, it is not necessary to use computers anywhere but home really
344 2011-02-05 03:10:10 <luke-jr> certainly not often enough that looking at the keys would be a problem
345 2011-02-05 03:10:19 <luke-jr> besides, every major OS supports Dvorak remapping
346 2011-02-05 03:15:46 <Cusipzzz> t is not necessary to use computers anywhere but home really ...i lol'd
347 2011-02-05 03:41:25 <Syke> oclminer isn't detecting my 2nd gpu
348 2011-02-05 03:43:58 <Syke> tcatm, have you tried 2 gpus?
349 2011-02-05 04:07:06 <lfm> syke what OS ?
350 2011-02-05 04:07:23 <Syke> ubuntu
351 2011-02-05 04:07:34 <Syke> diablo finds both just fine
352 2011-02-05 04:07:40 <lfm> do both show up in lspci?
353 2011-02-05 04:08:55 <Syke> yes
354 2011-02-05 04:09:27 <lfm> are they crossfire connected?
355 2011-02-05 04:09:33 <Syke> no
356 2011-02-05 04:10:02 <lfm> oh, use diablo then
357 2011-02-05 04:10:42 <Syke> does oclminer want them connected?
358 2011-02-05 04:11:17 <lfm> dunno, never tried it. does it have a threads arg?
359 2011-02-05 04:11:35 <Syke> doesn't list one
360 2011-02-05 04:12:17 <Syke> it does list how many detected gpus, and it only detects 1
361 2011-02-05 04:12:41 <Syke> i'd use diablo, but I can't get it to crank at a consistent hashrate
362 2011-02-05 04:15:01 <lfm> have you tried m0m's miner?
363 2011-02-05 04:15:36 <citiz3n> do you think m0m's is the most popular for windows?
364 2011-02-05 04:15:51 <Syke> no, I haven't bothered to fix the python depencenies
365 2011-02-05 04:16:24 <Syke> the pyopencl package depends on nvidia drivers, which conflict with ati
366 2011-02-05 04:20:43 <lfm> naw the nvidia drivers dont hurt anything they arnt used
367 2011-02-05 04:21:10 <Syke> but they conflict, you can't install them both
368 2011-02-05 04:21:44 <lfm> dont use the ubuntu fglrx, its broken for opencl
369 2011-02-05 04:21:58 <Syke> i'm using ati 10.2 from ati
370 2011-02-05 04:22:10 <lfm> use drivers downloaded from ati. 10-12 that is
371 2011-02-05 04:22:19 <Syke> yeah, 10.12
372 2011-02-05 04:22:58 <lfm> so thats fine, it doesnt care if the nvidia drivers are installed
373 2011-02-05 04:23:58 <Syke> hmm, thought I tried that, maybe not. I'll try it next time I re-install
374 2011-02-05 04:31:45 <andrew12> see that ipv6? :p
375 2011-02-05 04:32:32 <andrew12> well its got a hostname :(
376 2011-02-05 04:37:29 <luke-jr> lol
377 2011-02-05 04:37:35 <luke-jr> andrew12: it's ok, mine has a hostname too
378 2011-02-05 04:37:40 <luke-jr> but mine is nicer
379 2011-02-05 04:37:44 <luke-jr> ishibashi.dashjr.org :p
380 2011-02-05 04:38:48 <andrew12> well, the cool thing about ipv6 is that you can make as many hostnames as you have addresses (and dns access)
381 2011-02-05 04:39:12 <andrew12> i.e. tons and tons of vhosts
382 2011-02-05 04:48:37 <luke-jr> pfft
383 2011-02-05 04:48:59 <andrew12> s/the cool thing/one of the cool things/
384 2011-02-05 04:49:07 <luke-jr> ok fine :P
385 2011-02-05 04:49:37 <luke-jr> andrew12: one of the cool things about Tonal is that you can make squares for the tons, sans, mills, bongs places :P
386 2011-02-05 04:51:01 <luke-jr> I guess it's only practical for tons tho
387 2011-02-05 04:51:23 <luke-jr> I need to design some TBC coins
388 2011-02-05 04:57:47 <lfm> bongs are good
389 2011-02-05 05:59:47 <joe_1> bitcoins over 80 cents a coin
390 2011-02-05 06:00:17 <joe_1> next week: $1.50
391 2011-02-05 06:00:33 <joe_1> next month: $3
392 2011-02-05 06:00:59 <joe_1> june: $18
393 2011-02-05 06:01:02 <joe_1> next year: $100
394 2011-02-05 06:01:08 <RazielZ> 2012: THE WORLD
395 2011-02-05 06:01:17 <joe_1> exactly
396 2011-02-05 06:01:23 <RazielZ> ...yeah, you can buy the world with one bitcoin
397 2011-02-05 06:01:38 <RazielZ> oh shit I don't have one bitcoin
398 2011-02-05 06:01:51 <joe_1> well, = world gold+silver value
399 2011-02-05 06:02:21 <joe_1> you dont have 1 coin?
400 2011-02-05 06:02:36 <AAA_awright> There's no possibility of this being a bubble?
401 2011-02-05 06:02:45 <joe_1> absolutely no possibility
402 2011-02-05 06:02:49 <AAA_awright> There's no capital backing it up, that either means it can't be, or must be
403 2011-02-05 06:02:53 <joe_1> could it be a local bubble? yes
404 2011-02-05 06:03:05 <AAA_awright> I would guess "must be"
405 2011-02-05 06:03:10 <AAA_awright> Local bubble?
406 2011-02-05 06:03:32 <joe_1> meaning yes it could go down to 50 cents and stay there for 3 weeks. but, over time the price is no where near it's resting place
407 2011-02-05 06:03:48 <Netsniper> kline-fogleman
408 2011-02-05 06:04:08 <AAA_awright> joe_1: If that happened to the housing market that would be a /major shock/
409 2011-02-05 06:04:45 <AAA_awright> That's a 38% fall
410 2011-02-05 06:04:57 <AAA_awright> And a bubble
411 2011-02-05 06:05:31 <joe_1> the market isnt dense enough we still have volatility the price seems to move 5, 10, 15 cents a day
412 2011-02-05 06:06:06 <joe_1> in fact the bid/ask spread is typically 5 cents
413 2011-02-05 06:31:54 <LobsterMan> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1334 new m0mchil miner, getting better hashrates with nvidia
414 2011-02-05 06:33:20 <Diablo-D3> probably the same reason mine does
415 2011-02-05 06:33:28 <Diablo-D3> m0 followed me and added art's kernel
416 2011-02-05 06:34:46 <LobsterMan> heh
417 2011-02-05 06:35:06 <LobsterMan> my desktop is slightly less responsive now though, it seems to be more aggressive with system resources
418 2011-02-05 06:35:11 <Diablo-D3> it is
419 2011-02-05 06:35:29 <LobsterMan> but i got like a roughly 15% speedup
420 2011-02-05 06:35:30 <Diablo-D3> apparently for every 65mhash, art's kernel adds another 15
421 2011-02-05 06:35:49 <LobsterMan> i went from 50->58
422 2011-02-05 06:36:04 <Diablo-D3> well, someone in here reported that
423 2011-02-05 06:36:10 <Diablo-D3> so Im thinking closer to ~20% speedup
424 2011-02-05 06:36:12 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,calc 120000
425 2011-02-05 06:36:13 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 120000 Khps, given current difficulty of 22012.4941572 , is 1 week, 2 days, 2 hours, 50 minutes, and 57 seconds
426 2011-02-05 06:36:21 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,stats
427 2011-02-05 06:36:23 <gribble> Current Blocks: 106308 | Current Difficulty: 22012.4941572 | Next Difficulty At Block: 106847 | Next Difficulty In: 539 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 4 hours, 39 minutes, and 28 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 25171.73293323
428 2011-02-05 06:36:26 <Diablo-D3> LobsterMan: nvidia's driver is extremely braindead though
429 2011-02-05 06:36:36 <Diablo-D3> on my miner -f 1000 -w 32 doesnt help for a lot of users
430 2011-02-05 06:36:40 <LobsterMan> nvidia's drivers always suck :P
431 2011-02-05 06:36:50 <LobsterMan> i use -w 256
432 2011-02-05 06:37:07 <Diablo-D3> low -w may or may not improve desktop interactivity
433 2011-02-05 06:37:18 <Diablo-D3> its somewhat random
434 2011-02-05 06:37:27 <LobsterMan> lower -w gives me lower hashrates :P
435 2011-02-05 06:37:32 <Diablo-D3> yes it does.
436 2011-02-05 06:40:46 <afed> 2188 khash/s
437 2011-02-05 06:41:04 <afed> laptop core 2
438 2011-02-05 06:41:05 <afed> lol
439 2011-02-05 06:41:08 <Diablo-D3> lolfail
440 2011-02-05 06:41:42 <prax> my pute is slightly worse
441 2011-02-05 06:41:57 <joe_1> <-- 28ghash/s
442 2011-02-05 06:42:09 <prax> how good of a system could I get for mining/office use for like $1K?
443 2011-02-05 06:42:15 <prax> or should I spend more?
444 2011-02-05 06:42:28 <prax> assuming i assemble it myself
445 2011-02-05 06:42:33 <Diablo-D3> prax: at least one 5970 in there ;)
446 2011-02-05 06:42:50 <prax> arent those like $600?
447 2011-02-05 06:43:00 <Diablo-D3> around there.
448 2011-02-05 06:43:02 <prax> I need to look what I have.. I have some parts..
449 2011-02-05 06:43:15 <prax> so what u guys were just talking about though
450 2011-02-05 06:43:22 <prax> it wont lag my stuff too bad to mine?
451 2011-02-05 06:43:27 <Diablo-D3> it wont.
452 2011-02-05 06:43:40 <Diablo-D3> nvidia drivers are shit, ati ones are fine
453 2011-02-05 06:43:50 <prax> well ati is a given i thought
454 2011-02-05 06:44:02 <Diablo-D3> yeah but theres a lot of stupid people
455 2011-02-05 06:44:11 <Diablo-D3> and a lot of people mining with nvidia so they can sell the coins to buy ati
456 2011-02-05 06:44:16 <LobsterMan> i can use my computer while i mine
457 2011-02-05 06:44:17 <prax> hah
458 2011-02-05 06:44:22 <LobsterMan> but i cannot play games unless i stop the miners
459 2011-02-05 06:44:28 <Diablo-D3> LobsterMan: yeah, guess what
460 2011-02-05 06:44:36 <Diablo-D3> with my newest version of my miner, I _can_ game
461 2011-02-05 06:44:37 <LobsterMan> well i can, but it's slow :P
462 2011-02-05 06:44:41 <Diablo-D3> I tried it the other day
463 2011-02-05 06:44:51 <LobsterMan> like i can get away with eve while mining, but not counter-strike lol
464 2011-02-05 06:44:55 <joe_1> so your miner doesnt take full advantage of the gpu?
465 2011-02-05 06:44:57 <Diablo-D3> CS is shit though
466 2011-02-05 06:45:12 <Diablo-D3> joe_1: it does, but it can drop the run length so slow that it'll mold around anything
467 2011-02-05 06:45:54 <LobsterMan> cs is not shit tyvm
468 2011-02-05 06:45:57 <LobsterMan> what do you play, WoW?
469 2011-02-05 06:45:59 <LobsterMan> :P
470 2011-02-05 06:46:01 <prax> could I run off onboard vid and then mine with 2 5970?
471 2011-02-05 06:46:06 <Diablo-D3> atm? supcom2
472 2011-02-05 06:46:09 <Diablo-D3> although it pisses me off
473 2011-02-05 06:46:22 <Diablo-D3> prax: yes
474 2011-02-05 06:46:29 <Diablo-D3> Im actually surprised more people dont
475 2011-02-05 06:46:47 <Diablo-D3> prax: problem is, if thats ati onboard, my miner will still use it if it supports opencl
476 2011-02-05 06:46:50 <LobsterMan> onboard graphics....
477 2011-02-05 06:46:51 <prax> I think I will just get one vid card to start, but try that
478 2011-02-05 06:46:52 <LobsterMan> /wrists
479 2011-02-05 06:47:01 <prax> I only have one 1080 monitor anyhow atm
480 2011-02-05 06:47:18 <joe_1> how many blocks a day do you get with a 5970
481 2011-02-05 06:47:30 <prax> .6?
482 2011-02-05 06:47:33 <prax> guessing
483 2011-02-05 06:47:36 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,calc 615000
484 2011-02-05 06:47:37 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 615000 Khps, given current difficulty of 22012.4941572 , is 1 day, 18 hours, 42 minutes, and 8 seconds
485 2011-02-05 06:47:42 <Diablo-D3> that many.
486 2011-02-05 06:47:55 <Diablo-D3> so its closer to one every 2 days
487 2011-02-05 06:47:58 <joe_1> so you get about 25 bucks per day
488 2011-02-05 06:48:10 <joe_1> let's see.. the chip costs 600
489 2011-02-05 06:48:17 <joe_1> it takes 24 days to pay for the chip
490 2011-02-05 06:48:26 <Diablo-D3> yeah, funny isnt it
491 2011-02-05 06:49:27 <joe_1> i cant afford one
492 2011-02-05 06:49:40 <prax> I need a computer which can run one too
493 2011-02-05 06:49:47 <LobsterMan> i think that there are some people artificially proping up the bitcoin prices atm
494 2011-02-05 06:49:49 <prax> what i have now is horrid
495 2011-02-05 06:49:57 <joe_1> are there any stores that will give you a store card and you can buy a 5970. does best buy offer credit
496 2011-02-05 06:50:02 <LobsterMan> and a lot of it is still all up in arms about the compromised mtgox accounts
497 2011-02-05 06:50:15 <Diablo-D3> joe_1: opening new credit just for that is lame
498 2011-02-05 06:50:28 <joe_1> ok then could you send me a 5970
499 2011-02-05 06:50:47 <prax> u dont work?
500 2011-02-05 06:51:11 <joe_1> i just dont have the money yes i do work
501 2011-02-05 06:51:11 <LobsterMan> down with the system!
502 2011-02-05 06:51:35 <LobsterMan> do the new nvidia gtx580's get shit for hashrates too?
503 2011-02-05 06:52:40 <lfm> better to go for the 5770
504 2011-02-05 06:53:26 <prax> you guys got any suggestions for a system to go with 2x 5970?
505 2011-02-05 06:53:33 <prax> can look around, just curious
506 2011-02-05 06:53:49 <prax> like cpu/mobo
507 2011-02-05 06:55:02 <joe_1> diablo: please send about 850-900 coins to 1xyPiUrEjGJWBmQNrYhAw1wdXzCtjX9jv this will be enough for my 5970. i will pay you back as blocks are generated until it's paid back.
508 2011-02-05 06:55:47 <Diablo-D3> joe_1: you actually think I have that many?
509 2011-02-05 06:56:21 <joe_1> i would assume so. i always thought you were right behind artforz in terms of 5970 ownership
510 2011-02-05 06:57:22 <LobsterMan> ArtForz owns all
511 2011-02-05 06:57:42 <lfm> joe_1: you havnt been paying attention
512 2011-02-05 06:58:48 <joe_1> so who is behind artforz
513 2011-02-05 06:59:35 <LobsterMan> actually the pool i think is leading in raw hashrate right now
514 2011-02-05 06:59:50 <Syke> Diablo-D3, you got a good miner. I sent you 10 btc.
515 2011-02-05 07:00:58 <joe_1> i think we all just sort of thought diablo had 5970s because his miner and keeps working on it and everything...
516 2011-02-05 07:01:24 <lfm> joe_1: we?
517 2011-02-05 07:01:32 <joe_1> i
518 2011-02-05 07:02:41 <lfm> I think Diablo-D3 's development machine is still a 47xx
519 2011-02-05 07:02:55 <joe_1> should we createa  a fund for him to get one so he can actually profit off of the miner he wrote?
520 2011-02-05 07:03:50 <joe_1> i'll start it off with 2 coins
521 2011-02-05 07:05:26 <joe_1> Error: Recipient is not accepting transactions sent by IP address
522 2011-02-05 07:05:42 <lfm> huh?
523 2011-02-05 07:06:08 <joe_1> i was trying to send 2 coins to diablo and i got that error message
524 2011-02-05 07:06:25 <Syke> why bother with a fund, just send a donation to his forum sig address
525 2011-02-05 07:08:00 <lfm> DiabloMiner | Like my miner? Donate: 1DbeWKCxnVCt3sRaSAmZLoboqr8pVyFzP1
526 2011-02-05 07:08:33 <echelon> that's lfm's address D:
527 2011-02-05 07:09:09 <echelon> jk
528 2011-02-05 07:09:09 <LobsterMan> haha
529 2011-02-05 07:09:11 <lfm> https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1976.msg44561#msg44561
530 2011-02-05 07:09:18 <echelon> ^_^
531 2011-02-05 07:09:36 <joe_1> i sent coins hope it gets to him
532 2011-02-05 07:09:50 <echelon> is it possible to make your address spell out words?
533 2011-02-05 07:10:17 <echelon> they have a tool that does that for tor hidden service addresses
534 2011-02-05 07:10:17 <lfm> possible but not easy
535 2011-02-05 07:10:35 <echelon> works like brute forcing
536 2011-02-05 07:11:27 <prax> theres no problem in generating addresses right
537 2011-02-05 07:11:38 <joe_1> with bitDNS it will be possible to link plaintext names to your coin address
538 2011-02-05 07:12:01 <prax> I stopped following bitdns
539 2011-02-05 07:12:17 <prax> was one thing I was reading about right after I took another look at bitcoin
540 2011-02-05 07:12:26 <prax> seemed nobody was working on it at begin of year
541 2011-02-05 07:13:45 <joe_1> i've been quietly working on it the past few days.
542 2011-02-05 07:15:11 <prax> cool, will have to check out the thread again
543 2011-02-05 07:15:14 <midnightmagic_> what's this about mtgox compromised accounts?
544 2011-02-05 07:15:45 <joe_1> somebody dictionary attacked mtgox  last i heard.
545 2011-02-05 07:16:21 <lfm> some really poor passwords were guessed
546 2011-02-05 07:16:23 <prax> yeah so they put a small delay on the login
547 2011-02-05 07:16:50 <prax> I use all pain int he ass long generated passwords for this crap
548 2011-02-05 07:17:20 <prax> do they know how much $ was compro?
549 2011-02-05 07:17:27 <LobsterMan> i think that is a large part of why mtgox spiked again
550 2011-02-05 07:17:34 <LobsterMan> i think people liquidated a lot of their assets on mtg
551 2011-02-05 07:18:58 <joe_1> people faced with danger moved into bitcoins. that's a good sign for bitcoin.
552 2011-02-05 07:19:06 <Diablo-D3> [03:02:41] <lfm> I think Diablo-D3 's development machine is still a 47xx\n215426
553 2011-02-05 07:19:19 <Diablo-D3> [02:56:21] <joe_1> i would assume so. i always thought you were right behind artforz in terms of 5970 ownership
554 2011-02-05 07:19:20 <Diablo-D3> nope
555 2011-02-05 07:19:29 <Diablo-D3> only like 3 people have farms like his, and Im not one of them
556 2011-02-05 07:19:45 <LobsterMan> isn't he going for some sort of fpga thing now?
557 2011-02-05 07:19:50 <Diablo-D3> yeah
558 2011-02-05 07:19:52 <Diablo-D3> just to pull ahead
559 2011-02-05 07:20:02 <Diablo-D3> also, my address is in my forum posts
560 2011-02-05 07:20:58 <joe_1> i donated 2 coins to your 5970 fund
561 2011-02-05 07:21:07 <midnightmagic_> no, not fpga. and i think he's doing it because he's projected out useful participation in the future of the network and how much power his microchp can actually produce and done some simple arithmetic.
562 2011-02-05 07:21:18 <Diablo-D3> midnightmagic_: its almost fpga
563 2011-02-05 07:21:21 <midnightmagic_> he's using a structured asic
564 2011-02-05 07:21:22 <Diablo-D3> its those fixed silicon things
565 2011-02-05 07:21:24 <Diablo-D3> yeah
566 2011-02-05 07:21:53 <Diablo-D3> its still not as hardcore as fabbing new silicon for it
567 2011-02-05 07:22:01 <midnightmagic_> it never occurred to me that fpga was too expensive to be a computational workhorse for something task-specific.
568 2011-02-05 07:22:09 <Diablo-D3> heh, really?
569 2011-02-05 07:22:19 <Diablo-D3> it costs about $3000 to get a 5870 worth of power
570 2011-02-05 07:22:30 <midnightmagic_> that would cost more than the current value of all the bitcoins in the network at their deflated prices right now! :-)
571 2011-02-05 07:22:55 <midnightmagic_> right, but that's ignoring the fact that video card designs aren't static.
572 2011-02-05 07:23:09 <Diablo-D3> that just makes them even more flexible
573 2011-02-05 07:23:20 <LobsterMan> can you get higher hashrates with fpga/asic?
574 2011-02-05 07:23:30 <Diablo-D3> LobsterMan: asic? yes
575 2011-02-05 07:23:41 <midnightmagic_> not really with fpga, but you can with a *structured* asic. that's not a real asic.
576 2011-02-05 07:23:48 <midnightmagic_> real asic would be very, very expensive.
577 2011-02-05 07:23:56 <Diablo-D3> well, its a "real" asic
578 2011-02-05 07:24:01 <Diablo-D3> in the sense that its not fuck expensive
579 2011-02-05 07:24:27 <Diablo-D3> its just not nearly as flexible design wise
580 2011-02-05 07:24:35 <midnightmagic_> it's like a static fpga that can't be reprogrammed
581 2011-02-05 07:24:39 <Diablo-D3> exactly
582 2011-02-05 07:24:45 <lfm> and its not a lot faster, the main advantage is low power consumption
583 2011-02-05 07:24:52 <Diablo-D3> but this also means it uses less power
584 2011-02-05 07:24:52 <midnightmagic_> it's supposed to be for short-run design fab testing
585 2011-02-05 07:25:07 <midnightmagic_> it's significantly faster than an fpga
586 2011-02-05 07:25:09 <Diablo-D3> his chips are EXTREMELY power efficient per hash
587 2011-02-05 07:25:44 <Diablo-D3> a 5970 is ~1.8 mhash/w, his chips are like 4 or 5 mhash/w
588 2011-02-05 07:26:06 <midnightmagic_> and, once designed, he says will cost him about $300 or so.
589 2011-02-05 07:26:15 <midnightmagic_> currently they are "$500"
590 2011-02-05 07:26:19 <midnightmagic_> each.
591 2011-02-05 07:26:30 <LobsterMan> is he contracting out the design work somewhere?
592 2011-02-05 07:26:41 <Diablo-D3> yeah but his problem is powering them and cooling them
593 2011-02-05 07:26:42 <LobsterMan> i don't even know what would go into designing something like that for bitcoin use only
594 2011-02-05 07:26:45 <midnightmagic_> Diablo-D3: that's an interesting compute:watt ratio because that's exactly what nVidia says their maxwell chipset will deliver.
595 2011-02-05 07:26:53 <lfm> i think he designed them himself
596 2011-02-05 07:27:06 <midnightmagic_> LobsterMan: no, he apparenrtly did most of it himself, and had some chip guys help him with the final layout
597 2011-02-05 07:27:08 <Diablo-D3> he designed them himself and has some ghetto fab fabbing them
598 2011-02-05 07:27:14 <LobsterMan> lol
599 2011-02-05 07:27:23 <Diablo-D3> but he wont say which
600 2011-02-05 07:27:23 <LobsterMan> what does he do aside from running bitcoin clusters?
601 2011-02-05 07:27:27 <LobsterMan> is he a student or anything?
602 2011-02-05 07:27:30 <midnightmagic_> I got a kick out of how he's presenting the expected failure rate of the chips. :)
603 2011-02-05 07:27:32 <Diablo-D3> LobsterMan: apparently do crypto shit professionally
604 2011-02-05 07:27:38 <midnightmagic_> no, he's an engineer.
605 2011-02-05 07:27:41 <lfm> not very ghetto, 90 nm I think he said
606 2011-02-05 07:27:54 <Diablo-D3> lfm: yeah, but he chose the cheapest option, whatever it might have been
607 2011-02-05 07:27:59 <midnightmagic_> Diablo-D3: huh? no, he's a book printing machine designer.
608 2011-02-05 07:28:01 <Diablo-D3> btw, nvidia wont survive to maxwell
609 2011-02-05 07:28:12 <Diablo-D3> midnightmagic_: well, hes in the wrong line of work then
610 2011-02-05 07:28:23 <LobsterMan> lol
611 2011-02-05 07:28:23 <midnightmagic_> nvidia was considering buying AMD just about two years ago. they're going to be around for a while.
612 2011-02-05 07:29:28 <midnightmagic_> Diablo-D3: there's no money in the hardcore crypto. Not everyone can be a Rivest.. :)
613 2011-02-05 07:29:33 <prax> isnt nvidia doing well in mobile?
614 2011-02-05 07:29:36 <prax> tegra2 or something
615 2011-02-05 07:29:41 <lfm> I have a odd sense that theres more demand for book printing machines than bitcoin miners
616 2011-02-05 07:29:56 <Diablo-D3> midnightmagic_: no, its doing already existing shit quickly
617 2011-02-05 07:29:57 <LobsterMan> bitcoin is an up and coming thing ^________________^
618 2011-02-05 07:30:10 <midnightmagic_> nvidia is a customer of my employer's. from the inside, they are developing stuff faster than I've ever seen them go. it's really a sight..
619 2011-02-05 07:30:11 <Diablo-D3> midnightmagic_: there are companies that would like to have a fast efficient sha256(sha256()) engine
620 2011-02-05 07:30:31 <Diablo-D3> midnightmagic_: btw, nvidia, financially, is fucked
621 2011-02-05 07:30:37 <midnightmagic_> Diablo-D3: that's just coder optimization..  that's not what i thought you meant when you said crypto. my mistake.
622 2011-02-05 07:31:04 <LobsterMan> the whole world is financially fucked imo
623 2011-02-05 07:31:07 <midnightmagic_> they sunk billions into the new designs. there's too much riding on them. if they have to leverage themselves to the hilt, they'll ship maxwell. :)
624 2011-02-05 07:31:14 <LobsterMan> we're just waiting for the collapse now :P
625 2011-02-05 07:31:27 <Diablo-D3> midnightmagic_: yeah, but if their drivers continue to be shit, no one will care
626 2011-02-05 07:31:59 <midnightmagic_> what irritates the hell out of me is that AMD doesn't seem to have any new announcements about their APU that are crowning moments of awesome the way the 5970 was..
627 2011-02-05 07:32:00 <Diablo-D3> the current generation of geforce (8000 through 500) would be much faster in both 3D and OpenCL if they improved their drivers
628 2011-02-05 07:32:12 <midnightmagic_> at least they have dma..
629 2011-02-05 07:32:17 <Diablo-D3> midnightmagic_: new? its shipping. how much newer do you want
630 2011-02-05 07:32:21 <midnightmagic_> does ati have dma yet?
631 2011-02-05 07:32:35 <Diablo-D3> ati is missing dma on opencl on linux
632 2011-02-05 07:32:44 <Diablo-D3> which is a long standing bug amd inherited from ati
633 2011-02-05 07:32:50 <midnightmagic_> their APU is slow as shit. i mean, fast shit, that freaks people out and makes hardcore lusers drool.
634 2011-02-05 07:33:02 <midnightmagic_> just on Linux? not on windows?
635 2011-02-05 07:33:07 <Diablo-D3> windows all over is dma
636 2011-02-05 07:33:19 <Diablo-D3> its only on linux that opencl has that small issue
637 2011-02-05 07:33:19 <midnightmagic_> fuck. that hardly seems fair.
638 2011-02-05 07:33:23 <Diablo-D3> and I think they fixed it in 2.3
639 2011-02-05 07:33:31 <midnightmagic_> it's a pretty big issue if you're working with large datasets..?
640 2011-02-05 07:33:32 <Diablo-D3> but 2.3 is slower for mining
641 2011-02-05 07:33:37 <Diablo-D3> its not really
642 2011-02-05 07:33:54 <Diablo-D3> I was experimenting with pushing large data back and forth, the lack of DMA didnt really effect it
643 2011-02-05 07:34:12 <midnightmagic_> the academic parallel algos i read require fast system<->card data rates.
644 2011-02-05 07:34:22 <Diablo-D3> and the lack of DMA only effects pushing it back and forth between cpu and gpu
645 2011-02-05 07:34:29 <midnightmagic_> damn i wish i had my research credentials still.
646 2011-02-05 07:34:33 <midnightmagic_> *snif*
647 2011-02-05 07:34:35 <Diablo-D3> it doesnt effect, say, opengl<->opencl, or on card buffers that are passed between kernels
648 2011-02-05 07:34:46 <Diablo-D3> and like I said, I think they fixed it in 2.3
649 2011-02-05 07:34:53 <Diablo-D3> the lack of dma 100% does not effect mining
650 2011-02-05 07:35:01 <midnightmagic_> no, definitely not. :)
651 2011-02-05 07:35:29 <midnightmagic_> was it you who was telling me about an attack you dreamed up re: the time spent in a miner working on a stale block?
652 2011-02-05 07:35:52 <Diablo-D3> wasnt my idea, but I think I was part of that conversation
653 2011-02-05 07:35:58 <Diablo-D3> it doesnt seem like it should work
654 2011-02-05 07:36:23 <midnightmagic_> yeah i was thinking about it some more and i don't understand how delaying the odd person in the network would grant you an advantage.
655 2011-02-05 07:36:35 <Diablo-D3> well, timestamps are not strict in bitcoin
656 2011-02-05 07:36:49 <Diablo-D3> bitcoin also accepts blocks from the future too
657 2011-02-05 07:37:26 <Diablo-D3> so no matter how badly you skew network response or even the spacetime continuum itself, you cant screw it up
658 2011-02-05 07:37:41 <Diablo-D3> theres no way to gain an edge
659 2011-02-05 07:38:06 <Diablo-D3> the only way to win is to generate a new block and get as many nodes accepting it as possible
660 2011-02-05 07:38:13 <Diablo-D3> before someone beats you to it
661 2011-02-05 07:38:33 <midnightmagic_> the only thing i can think he was referring to is the possibility of making *other* people work slightly longer on their stale blocks because you're DDoS'ing them, while you are already switched up to the new block. but i don't really see how even that would do it because they still have to confirm everything.
662 2011-02-05 07:38:45 <Diablo-D3> well
663 2011-02-05 07:38:49 <Diablo-D3> if you ddossed, say, half the network
664 2011-02-05 07:38:55 <Diablo-D3> so THEY couldnt spam their new blocks
665 2011-02-05 07:39:11 <midnightmagic_> it'd be so they don't get the updated new blocks.
666 2011-02-05 07:39:14 <Diablo-D3> and they would also slow down on new blocks coming to them
667 2011-02-05 07:39:21 <Diablo-D3> its a two way attack
668 2011-02-05 07:39:31 <midnightmagic_> yeah, i was hoping for some more explanation about that..
669 2011-02-05 07:39:35 <Diablo-D3> the other half of the network, the network you're not slowing down, would accept your blocks
670 2011-02-05 07:39:53 <midnightmagic_> ah i see..
671 2011-02-05 07:39:59 <Diablo-D3> so the ddossed half would not only be unable to generate new blocks that are actually new but would always be falling behind on updates
672 2011-02-05 07:40:01 <Diablo-D3> BUT
673 2011-02-05 07:40:11 <Diablo-D3> you cannot know a significant number of nodes
674 2011-02-05 07:40:17 <Diablo-D3> and many sit behind tor
675 2011-02-05 07:40:30 <Diablo-D3> and you also dont know whos the powerful nodes
676 2011-02-05 07:40:33 <midnightmagic_> i wonder what would happen if i reset the connection count to 50 or 100.
677 2011-02-05 07:40:41 <Diablo-D3> merely ddossing half wont help you if you ddos the slowest half
678 2011-02-05 07:40:51 <midnightmagic_> yeah, that makes sense.
679 2011-02-05 07:41:03 <Diablo-D3> its also a waste of resources to nuke that many
680 2011-02-05 07:41:11 <Diablo-D3> it'd be easier to just knock people like art off the net
681 2011-02-05 07:41:19 <midnightmagic_> :-)
682 2011-02-05 07:41:30 <Diablo-D3> the attack as originally described doesnt work
683 2011-02-05 07:41:39 <midnightmagic_> hey when you said "only 3" people have mining farms like art's, who were you talking about?
684 2011-02-05 07:41:51 <Diablo-D3> Keefe has a bunch of cards
685 2011-02-05 07:41:59 <Diablo-D3> and theres another guy but I forget who
686 2011-02-05 07:42:06 <Diablo-D3> and now like half the channel has at least one 5970
687 2011-02-05 07:42:28 <Diablo-D3> I think the bitcoin community wiped out the world supply of 5970s
688 2011-02-05 07:42:46 <midnightmagic_> HAHA yeah, i can't find any supply of them anywhere here in canada it's really pissing me off.
689 2011-02-05 07:43:04 <Syke> most of the manufacturers of 5970s have stopped producing them
690 2011-02-05 07:43:05 <midnightmagic_> powercolor 5970 are on backorder everywhere, and sapphire doesn't even make them anymore.
691 2011-02-05 07:43:08 <lfm> drove the price up from 500 to 1000 bucks
692 2011-02-05 07:43:09 <Diablo-D3> Syke: all
693 2011-02-05 07:43:12 <Diablo-D3> the coins all ran out
694 2011-02-05 07:43:13 <midnightmagic_> i don't understand why that is.
695 2011-02-05 07:43:17 <Diablo-D3> errr
696 2011-02-05 07:43:19 <Diablo-D3> the chips ran out
697 2011-02-05 07:43:35 <Diablo-D3> there was very few low loss chips out of the 5870s
698 2011-02-05 07:43:40 <Diablo-D3> so there wasnt many cards to be made
699 2011-02-05 07:44:03 <midnightmagic_> powercolor 5970 are still selling up here for about $700CAD but they're on backorder.
700 2011-02-05 07:44:49 <Syke> if no ones making them, then those backorders aren't likely to ever be filled
701 2011-02-05 07:44:53 <lfm> and powercooler is a junky cheap brand imho
702 2011-02-05 07:45:01 <midnightmagic_> according to my guy at NCIX he can get more for me..  i guess i'll have to double-check.
703 2011-02-05 07:45:16 <Diablo-D3> Syke: nope
704 2011-02-05 07:45:18 <midnightmagic_> i have a powercolor running here and it's working cooler than the sapphires.
705 2011-02-05 07:45:31 <Diablo-D3> midnightmagic_: well
706 2011-02-05 07:45:36 <Diablo-D3> all the normal 5970s are the same
707 2011-02-05 07:45:43 <Diablo-D3> probably all sapphire built too
708 2011-02-05 07:46:09 <Diablo-D3> sapphire has a custom 5970 as well that is high tier 5970 chips, which they themselves are high tier 58xx chips
709 2011-02-05 07:46:16 <prax> isnt anything else close in Mhash/$?
710 2011-02-05 07:46:31 <Diablo-D3> so they sold them in very expensive OC-friendly cards
711 2011-02-05 07:46:33 <midnightmagic_> prax: no. cheap supercomputing is pretty niche.
712 2011-02-05 07:46:40 <lfm> prax 5770
713 2011-02-05 07:46:50 <Diablo-D3> like, all those 5870x2s on the market? they're OC friendly cards
714 2011-02-05 07:46:58 <midnightmagic_> interesting..
715 2011-02-05 07:46:59 <Diablo-D3> prax: 5970 then 5770 then 5850 and 5870
716 2011-02-05 07:47:18 <prax> k ty
717 2011-02-05 07:47:45 <prax> 5770 is pretty damn cheap
718 2011-02-05 07:47:58 <Diablo-D3> yeah, and the 5770 is barely worth buying
719 2011-02-05 07:48:20 <prax> lol... my dad bought a new pc from a client of his I was sooooo pissed
720 2011-02-05 07:48:31 <prax> spent like $750+ on some POS that had 2 gigs of memory
721 2011-02-05 07:48:50 <prax> didnt tell me he was getting a new computer just bought some total garbage
722 2011-02-05 07:49:01 <Keefe> so add 2gb more for $21? :P
723 2011-02-05 07:49:10 <Diablo-D3> for speed btw, its 5770, 6850, 6870/5850, 6950, 6970, 5870, 6990, 5970
724 2011-02-05 07:49:16 <prax> yeah the pos mobo had problems accepting a 2nd stick
725 2011-02-05 07:49:30 <prax> eventually found the error was one of the $30 vid cards he bought for like $80
726 2011-02-05 07:49:31 <midnightmagic_> 6990 is the one that isn't out yet isn't it?
727 2011-02-05 07:49:41 <Diablo-D3> 6990 is dual 6970
728 2011-02-05 07:49:43 <Keefe> yep
729 2011-02-05 07:49:47 <Diablo-D3> its the replacement for 5970
730 2011-02-05 07:49:54 <midnightmagic_> "replacement". bah.
731 2011-02-05 07:50:01 <Diablo-D3> its flat out faster than a 6990 theoretically
732 2011-02-05 07:50:07 <Diablo-D3> but you have to use sdk 2.3
733 2011-02-05 07:50:08 <echelon> so how many mhps can you get on a single 5770?
734 2011-02-05 07:50:10 <Diablo-D3> which .... eehhhh
735 2011-02-05 07:50:11 <prax> anyhow ok, 1x 5970 is probably best to start anyhow
736 2011-02-05 07:50:36 <midnightmagic_> 156Mhash/sec on 5770 according to The Chart.
737 2011-02-05 07:50:37 <lfm> echelon: 160 or so
738 2011-02-05 07:50:53 <echelon> hmm kk
739 2011-02-05 07:50:55 <Keefe> i'd sell you my extra 5970 for $500 but i kinda already promised it to someone else
740 2011-02-05 07:50:57 <Diablo-D3> the chart is kinda screwed now
741 2011-02-05 07:51:13 <Diablo-D3> my miner, and now m0's, uses art kernel
742 2011-02-05 07:51:18 <prax> that's okay I need to save for a system to run it too
743 2011-02-05 07:51:26 <Keefe> but i have an extra 5770 for sale :)
744 2011-02-05 07:51:29 <Diablo-D3> so everyone is getting faster
745 2011-02-05 07:51:30 <prax> oyea... how many watts does ieach need?
746 2011-02-05 07:51:31 <midnightmagic_> who made the chart and on what software then?
747 2011-02-05 07:51:37 <Diablo-D3> prax: see the chart
748 2011-02-05 07:51:41 <Keefe> 300W for the 5970, 110W for the 5770
749 2011-02-05 07:51:48 <midnightmagic_> 108 watts for 5770
750 2011-02-05 07:52:00 <Diablo-D3> midnightmagic_: the chart was originally art estimates
751 2011-02-05 07:52:08 <prax> oh my bad forgot that had W
752 2011-02-05 07:52:29 <Diablo-D3> but art's new kernel is 3-6% higher than those numbers
753 2011-02-05 07:52:37 <Diablo-D3> and my miner due to kernel cramming is a tiny bit higher too
754 2011-02-05 07:52:45 <Diablo-D3> on top of art's I mean
755 2011-02-05 07:52:59 <Diablo-D3> and then art has his CAL miner
756 2011-02-05 07:53:10 <Diablo-D3> which is faster yet
757 2011-02-05 07:53:16 <Diablo-D3> and also doesnt suffer from sdk 2.3 sucks problems
758 2011-02-05 07:53:36 <midnightmagic_> hrm...
759 2011-02-05 07:53:44 <Diablo-D3> midnightmagic_: btw, I was looking at maxwell
760 2011-02-05 07:53:54 <Diablo-D3> nvidia is a bunch of liars
761 2011-02-05 07:54:01 <Diablo-D3> they're pushing DP performance so much
762 2011-02-05 07:54:29 <midnightmagic_> can the texture units be used as well as the stream processing units?
763 2011-02-05 07:54:30 <Diablo-D3> maybe if they'd quit intentionally breaking DP performance things wouldnt be so bad
764 2011-02-05 07:54:45 <Diablo-D3> no, the tex unit is useless
765 2011-02-05 07:54:58 <Diablo-D3> nvidia also STILL has shit integer performance
766 2011-02-05 07:55:02 <Diablo-D3> even with kepler and maxwell its going to suck
767 2011-02-05 07:55:38 <midnightmagic_> kepler will definitely suck. kinda no point to that, but, i dunno. that /watt performance stuff is pretty awesome.
768 2011-02-05 07:55:57 <Diablo-D3> yeah, but if they make all their ALUs DP native, then yes, maxwell will have good DP performance
769 2011-02-05 07:56:24 <Diablo-D3> but as it stands, fermi consumer is 1/8 of SP, fermi in tesla boxes is 1/2 of SP but costs 10x more
770 2011-02-05 07:56:36 <Diablo-D3> so radeon 69xx is STILL raping nvidia
771 2011-02-05 07:56:55 <Diablo-D3> 1/4th of SP, but its far more efficient and costs a shitload less
772 2011-02-05 07:59:06 <Diablo-D3> and to be honest
773 2011-02-05 07:59:16 <Diablo-D3> no one cares about efficiency per watt
774 2011-02-05 07:59:23 <Diablo-D3> they care about combined efficiency per watt AND per dollar
775 2011-02-05 07:59:43 <Diablo-D3> AMD hugs the curve on that one, nvidia is somewhere in the stands
776 2011-02-05 07:59:48 <midnightmagic_> .. i care.. :)
777 2011-02-05 08:00:00 <Diablo-D3> Im just saying, they use both metrics, just not the one
778 2011-02-05 08:00:13 <tcatm> Syke: what does oclminer -n output?
779 2011-02-05 08:00:21 <Diablo-D3> if the device cost is extremely high, its cheaper to just waste money on more power
780 2011-02-05 08:00:32 <Syke> tcatm, 1
781 2011-02-05 08:00:44 <tcatm> both ATI?
782 2011-02-05 08:00:54 <Syke> identical 5870s
783 2011-02-05 08:00:58 <tcatm> strange
784 2011-02-05 08:01:08 <tcatm> DISPLAY=:0 oclminer -n is the same?
785 2011-02-05 08:01:29 <Syke> nope, that's 2!
786 2011-02-05 08:02:02 <Syke> simple tweak
787 2011-02-05 08:02:24 <Diablo-D3> midnightmagic_: like, if I need DP performance, I can buy like 4x more DP performance per dollar by getting 69xx
788 2011-02-05 08:02:32 <Diablo-D3> midnightmagic_: vs tesla boxes
789 2011-02-05 08:02:42 <tcatm> My miner found a block on mainnet after running for about 8 hours
790 2011-02-05 08:02:53 <Diablo-D3> midnightmagic_: and the watt efficiency on DP is similar between the two
791 2011-02-05 08:02:56 <Diablo-D3> so its obvious who I'd buy
792 2011-02-05 08:03:08 <Syke> tcatm, ugh, performance is bouncing from 150M to 300M and back
793 2011-02-05 08:03:38 <tcatm> Hm? For one GPU or one GPU at 300 and one at 150?
794 2011-02-05 08:04:46 <Syke> looks about random, both gpus go up and down
795 2011-02-05 08:04:54 <tcatm> shouldn't happen
796 2011-02-05 08:05:22 <tcatm> do you have another miner running?
797 2011-02-05 08:05:25 <Syke> no
798 2011-02-05 08:05:43 <tcatm> latest git?
799 2011-02-05 08:06:05 <Syke> in the last few hours
800 2011-02-05 08:07:59 <tcatm> does aticonfig --adapter=all --odgt show similar frequency changes?
801 2011-02-05 08:08:07 <tcatm> --odgc, sorry
802 2011-02-05 08:08:34 <Syke> same
803 2011-02-05 08:08:40 <midnightmagic_> http://developer.amd.com/zones/OpenCLZone/publications/assets/MakingOpenCLSimplewithHaskell.pdf   <---HAHAHA!
804 2011-02-05 08:08:50 <Diablo-D3> >opencl
805 2011-02-05 08:08:51 <Diablo-D3> >haskell
806 2011-02-05 08:08:56 <Diablo-D3> OH GOD MY BRAIN IS MELTING
807 2011-02-05 08:09:14 <tcatm> Syke: so clock frequency changes?
808 2011-02-05 08:09:56 <midnightmagic_> so awesome..
809 2011-02-05 08:12:56 <Syke> while miner is running, they both clock up to 850/1200, but only show about 50% load.
810 2011-02-05 08:14:08 <Syke> with 1 gpu active, it clocks up to 850/1200 also, but 99% load
811 2011-02-05 08:14:36 <tcatm> that's strange
812 2011-02-05 08:14:44 <tcatm> same after reboot?
813 2011-02-05 08:14:48 <Syke> yeah
814 2011-02-05 08:16:54 <tcatm> does commit 6ddc290b86ff4c9ffdd1 work better (git checkout 6ddc290b86ff4c9ffdd1 && make)
815 2011-02-05 08:22:38 <Syke> nope
816 2011-02-05 08:23:41 <Syke> it's fine at the start, but as soon as I see "2 miner threads started" it tanks
817 2011-02-05 08:23:55 <tcatm> SDK 2.1?
818 2011-02-05 08:24:19 <Syke> yes, 64bit 2.1
819 2011-02-05 08:24:27 <tcatm> same here. strange
820 2011-02-05 08:24:34 <Syke> you have dual gpus?
821 2011-02-05 08:24:58 <tcatm> 3x 5870 in one box, 2x dual-5970
822 2011-02-05 08:25:08 <tcatm> working fine
823 2011-02-05 08:36:52 <tcatm> Syke: you might try my hacked SDK http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10284953/sdk2.1-hacked.tbz2
824 2011-02-05 08:37:59 <Syke> yeah, might try that tomorrow. I've re-installed all sorts of stuff, something is strange, about time for a clean re-install of the whole system
825 2011-02-05 08:41:00 <midnightmagic_> hrm.. I haven't thanked Art recently for answering so many of my questions: Thank you, Art! I really appreciate it! :-D
826 2011-02-05 09:55:58 <Sami345> slush, why you have removed so many things from your pool?
827 2011-02-05 09:58:27 <slush> Sami345: read the forum, many answers here
828 2011-02-05 09:58:37 <slush> molecular: and yes, I had to remove also workers shares
829 2011-02-05 09:58:51 <slush> Sami345: will be back soon
830 2011-02-05 09:59:21 <Sami345> have you ever thought temporally directing all bitcoins toyour wallet :D
831 2011-02-05 09:59:42 <slush> of course
832 2011-02-05 09:59:45 <Sami345> you would get bitcoins for like $1000 in just one day :D
833 2011-02-05 10:00:11 <slush> I'm doing this time to time, so you,  poor users, see those >100k blocks :-P
834 2011-02-05 10:00:18 <slush> *rounds
835 2011-02-05 10:04:21 <dsg> ;;bc,estimate
836 2011-02-05 10:04:21 <gribble> 25109.04273604
837 2011-02-05 10:05:45 <Sami345> :(
838 2011-02-05 10:05:48 <Sami345> evil
839 2011-02-05 10:05:53 <tcatm> slush: I added a poolmode to my miner
840 2011-02-05 10:06:00 <Sami345> now I will stop using your service :>
841 2011-02-05 10:06:13 <slush> tcatm: which does what?
842 2011-02-05 10:06:33 <tcatm> submit all H==0 results but does not request new work
843 2011-02-05 10:06:40 <slush> great
844 2011-02-05 10:06:52 <tcatm> you should fix your latency
845 2011-02-05 10:07:15 <Sami345> slush, btw could you service be hacked: one worker send the same blocks as many workers
846 2011-02-05 10:07:25 <tcatm> sometimes getworks take ~1s (avg is still a few ms)
847 2011-02-05 10:07:55 <slush> Sami345: no, pool has quite good prevention against cheating
848 2011-02-05 10:07:56 <tcatm> I can only hide ~0.7s of latency
849 2011-02-05 10:08:26 <slush> tcatm: I know, unfortunately there are some peaks, which I cannot handle effectively
850 2011-02-05 10:09:04 <tcatm> how does your verify getwork code look?
851 2011-02-05 10:09:11 <slush> tcatm: those 130 rq/s is only average
852 2011-02-05 10:09:13 <tcatm> maybe rewriting it in C will help
853 2011-02-05 10:09:26 <slush> Not a problem, it can handle >1000 rq/s
854 2011-02-05 10:09:59 <slush> but when it meet, for example, sending rewards or so, server can be dead for a second
855 2011-02-05 10:10:10 <tcatm> hm
856 2011-02-05 10:10:26 <tcatm> what causes that?
857 2011-02-05 10:10:33 <slush> tcatm: it's still vps
858 2011-02-05 10:10:40 <slush> not standalone server
859 2011-02-05 10:12:02 <slush> I think I'm squeezing the vps to it's max, there is no necessary (and significant) overhead
860 2011-02-05 10:13:38 <slush> cat /proc/loadavg: 0.16 0.10 0.09
861 2011-02-05 10:13:45 <slush> from 4 CPUs
862 2011-02-05 10:14:34 <slush> average app speed isn't problem at all
863 2011-02-05 10:14:49 <da2ce7> ;;bc,mtgox
864 2011-02-05 10:14:50 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.9,"low":0.671,"vol":54580,"buy":0.8251,"sell":0.9167,"last":0.8999}}
865 2011-02-05 10:15:42 <Sami345> slush, I have collected 73.50 from your pool with found blocks 0 :>
866 2011-02-05 10:16:27 <Sami345> just collecting from other users blocks ;D
867 2011-02-05 10:17:16 <slush> Sami345: yes, that's normal. There are also many CPU users, which found a block, but their reward is around single bitcoin :)
868 2011-02-05 10:26:45 <Sami345> ,,calc 160000
869 2011-02-05 10:26:46 <gribble> (calc <expression>) -- Uses Google's calculator to calculate the value of <expression>.
870 2011-02-05 10:26:59 <Sami345> ,,bccalc 160000
871 2011-02-05 10:27:00 <gribble> Error: "bccalc" is not a valid command.
872 2011-02-05 10:27:13 <Sami345> what was the command for estimate block find
873 2011-02-05 10:27:26 <tcatm> ;;bc,calc 160000
874 2011-02-05 10:27:27 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 160000 Khps, given current difficulty of 22012.4941572 , is 6 days, 20 hours, 8 minutes, and 13 seconds
875 2011-02-05 10:54:38 <slush> Diablo-D3: hi, newest miner version does not work for me :(
876 2011-02-05 10:54:56 <slush> Diablo-D3: I see hashrate, but no submitted shares
877 2011-02-05 10:54:58 <slush> for looong time
878 2011-02-05 10:55:18 <da2ce7> ;;bc,mtgox
879 2011-02-05 10:55:19 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.9,"low":0.671,"vol":54440,"buy":0.8253,"sell":0.9167,"last":0.8999}}
880 2011-02-05 10:55:54 <slush> Looks like checking of hashes is broken
881 2011-02-05 10:56:15 <Diablo-D3> slush: works for me.
882 2011-02-05 10:56:55 <slush> I'm running it with the same params as previous version. -w 64 -f 5
883 2011-02-05 10:57:05 <Diablo-D3> [2/5/11 6:56:47 AM] Block 226 found on ATI RV770 (#1)
884 2011-02-05 10:57:37 <slush> prev version is without moving avg hashrate, so I don't know _how old_ is it
885 2011-02-05 10:57:56 <slush> hmm
886 2011-02-05 10:58:14 <slush> I tested it on two machines, same result. I'll try debug mode
887 2011-02-05 10:59:04 <Diablo-D3> aahahhaah
888 2011-02-05 10:59:06 <tcatm> slush: try my miner :)
889 2011-02-05 10:59:07 <Diablo-D3> I forced loops on
890 2011-02-05 10:59:12 <Diablo-D3> 25706167/16689513 khash/sec
891 2011-02-05 10:59:13 <slush> tcatm: link?
892 2011-02-05 10:59:24 <tcatm> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3177.0
893 2011-02-05 10:59:48 <tcatm> and use the hacked sdk from post #4 (will break m0's and diablo's)
894 2011-02-05 11:00:24 <lfm> tcatm: whatd you change in the sdk?
895 2011-02-05 11:00:51 <slush> Diablo-D3: same result, no additional printings in debug mode
896 2011-02-05 11:00:59 <tcatm> lfm: compiler from 2.2, libs from 2.1 (= multi gpu support)
897 2011-02-05 11:01:00 <Diablo-D3> slush: is the meter correct?
898 2011-02-05 11:01:14 <slush> Diablo-D3: yes, ~1.2 ghash
899 2011-02-05 11:01:15 <Diablo-D3> tcatm: you should upgrade yours to 2.3
900 2011-02-05 11:01:31 <tcatm> not worth it
901 2011-02-05 11:01:48 <Diablo-D3> tcatm: it is for 69xx users.
902 2011-02-05 11:01:59 <Diablo-D3> a working 69xx SDK would be very nice
903 2011-02-05 11:02:12 <tcatm> buy me a 69xx :P
904 2011-02-05 11:04:01 <Diablo-D3> slush: with loops on I just found a block
905 2011-02-05 11:04:08 <Diablo-D3> except now my hash meter is going apeshit
906 2011-02-05 11:06:01 <Diablo-D3> slush: how many cards do you have? 2 5970?
907 2011-02-05 11:06:12 <slush> Diablo-D3: I've no idea what is broken
908 2011-02-05 11:06:17 <slush> yes
909 2011-02-05 11:09:03 <Diablo-D3> do you see a lot of nonce exhaustion messages?
910 2011-02-05 11:10:31 <slush> no, I don't see any logs
911 2011-02-05 11:10:40 <slush> only 4 lines about devices + hashmeter
912 2011-02-05 11:10:49 <Diablo-D3> with -d on?
913 2011-02-05 11:10:53 <slush> yes
914 2011-02-05 11:28:40 <Diablo-D3> oh duh
915 2011-02-05 11:28:46 <Diablo-D3> it helps if I turne loops on when trying to force them on
916 2011-02-05 11:29:01 <slush> ?
917 2011-02-05 11:29:10 <Diablo-D3> 4xxx doesnt use loops, so to test I have to force them on