1 2011-02-09 00:00:16 <andrew12> tcatm: why 2000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000?
  2 2011-02-09 00:01:04 <andrew12> (hexuhdecimull)
  3 2011-02-09 00:02:19 <tcatm> so limit is approx. 15.36 peta hashes/s
  4 2011-02-09 00:02:28 <Diablo-D3> we're not even close
  5 2011-02-09 00:03:08 <da2ce7> well, the network needs only to be < 100K times larger till we hit the devide by 0 crash
  6 2011-02-09 00:03:12 <tcatm> or 23e9 5970s
  7 2011-02-09 00:03:24 <Diablo-D3> whats the whole network? a quarter of a terahash?
  8 2011-02-09 00:04:11 <tcatm> ~200Ghash/s
  9 2011-02-09 00:04:23 <Diablo-D3> I was right
 10 2011-02-09 00:04:33 <tcatm> actually a little more now
 11 2011-02-09 00:04:42 <da2ce7> so what is the max max difficulty? if we fix up the devide by 0?
 12 2011-02-09 00:05:23 <tcatm> 1.35e67
 13 2011-02-09 00:06:07 <andrew12> 2^32
 14 2011-02-09 00:06:17 <Necr0s> 33554432
 15 2011-02-09 00:06:17 <tcatm> or 9.65e73 hashes per second
 16 2011-02-09 00:06:25 <Necr0s> er...nm.
 17 2011-02-09 00:06:27 <andrew12> ;;calc 2^32
 18 2011-02-09 00:06:28 <gribble> 2^32 = 4,294,967,296
 19 2011-02-09 00:06:36 <andrew12> ;;calc 2^31
 20 2011-02-09 00:06:38 <gribble> 2^31 = 2,147,483,648
 21 2011-02-09 00:06:39 <andrew12> heh
 22 2011-02-09 00:06:42 <Necr0s> ;;calc 2^23
 23 2011-02-09 00:06:43 <gribble> 2^23 = 8,388,608
 24 2011-02-09 00:06:49 <gribble> 2^22 = 4,194,304
 25 2011-02-09 00:06:49 <Necr0s> ;;calc 2^22
 26 2011-02-09 00:07:00 <tcatm> or about 1.46e65 5970s
 27 2011-02-09 00:07:03 <Necr0s> ;;calc 2^25
 28 2011-02-09 00:07:04 <gribble> 2^25 = 33,554,432
 29 2011-02-09 00:07:07 <Necr0s> that's the one
 30 2011-02-09 00:07:12 <tcatm> I don't think so many GPUs will ever exist
 31 2011-02-09 00:07:19 <andrew12> Necr0s: /query gribble
 32 2011-02-09 00:07:27 <Necr0s> right-o
 33 2011-02-09 00:07:36 <tcatm> At least not until we add cross-universum support to bitcoin
 34 2011-02-09 00:07:45 <andrew12> haha
 35 2011-02-09 00:08:04 <andrew12> and by then we'll have gpus 1000x faster than the 5970
 36 2011-02-09 00:08:08 <andrew12> or will we? dun dun
 37 2011-02-09 00:08:13 <Necr0s> QPUs.
 38 2011-02-09 00:08:26 <andrew12> yes
 39 2011-02-09 00:08:39 <andrew12> *faster* than the speed of light
 40 2011-02-09 00:08:41 <tcatm> Even if they are 1000x faster we'd still need 1.45e62 of them
 41 2011-02-09 00:08:53 <da2ce7> well, with current process tech, it works out to be about 1W per 1GHash/s as the best possible
 42 2011-02-09 00:09:27 <tcatm> What's the total energy available in the whole universe?
 43 2011-02-09 00:09:42 <andrew12> energy cannot be created nor destroyed
 44 2011-02-09 00:10:34 <x6763> E=mc^2...wouldn't plugging in the mass of the entire universe give you the answer?
 45 2011-02-09 00:10:48 <x6763> lol
 46 2011-02-09 00:10:49 <tcatm> What's the total amount of energy we can convert to heat using logic gates? :)
 47 2011-02-09 00:10:53 <andrew12> but what's the mass of the entire universe?
 48 2011-02-09 00:10:57 <x6763> no idea
 49 2011-02-09 00:11:32 <da2ce7> hmm, well the sun is 3.6e26 W
 50 2011-02-09 00:12:11 <slush> will be possible to run 2x bitcoin gui on .20?
 51 2011-02-09 00:12:17 <slush> with -nolisten and another datadir
 52 2011-02-09 00:12:20 <tcatm> Mining one block at highest difficulty would need 5.79e43 YJ
 53 2011-02-09 00:12:34 <tcatm> Assuming we actually find it after 10 minutes
 54 2011-02-09 00:13:26 <da2ce7> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=5.79e43+YJ
 55 2011-02-09 00:14:29 <tcatm> So we can mine one block? :)
 56 2011-02-09 00:14:50 <da2ce7> er, 35 blocks it seems like.
 57 2011-02-09 00:15:04 <tcatm> Oh true.
 58 2011-02-09 00:15:29 <tcatm> Now we'd need to calculate how much energy is needed to calculate the previous blocks
 59 2011-02-09 00:15:42 <da2ce7> lol
 60 2011-02-09 00:15:59 <tcatm> And how many bitcoins the block will be worth
 61 2011-02-09 00:16:06 <da2ce7> well then we need to take into account the ammout of energey required to make the chips.
 62 2011-02-09 00:16:19 <tcatm> Might be less than 1e-8 BTC :/
 63 2011-02-09 00:16:58 <tcatm> slush: just checked the code. Should be possible in .20
 64 2011-02-09 00:17:14 <slush> great! Looking forward it. Will be every day, right?
 65 2011-02-09 00:17:31 <tcatm> We just need someone who can do windows builds
 66 2011-02-09 00:17:44 <tcatm> code is already in SVN and won't change anymore
 67 2011-02-09 00:17:58 <luke-jr> what's the channel for that new pay-before-it-finds-a-block pool?
 68 2011-02-09 00:18:04 <x6763> so a 0.3.20 release is coming soon?
 69 2011-02-09 00:18:08 <slush> what is needed to build on win? Is some guide somewhere?
 70 2011-02-09 00:18:24 <andrew12> build-msw.txt
 71 2011-02-09 00:18:24 <da2ce7> who is signing the 0.3.20 if the big man isn't arround?
 72 2011-02-09 00:18:27 <tcatm> x6763: yep
 73 2011-02-09 00:18:31 <tcatm> da2ce7: probably gavin
 74 2011-02-09 00:18:32 <OneFixt> luke-jr: #bitcoin-bitpenny
 75 2011-02-09 00:19:43 <da2ce7> so we get a pgp sign of the git hash?
 76 2011-02-09 00:19:47 <tcatm> slush: there's build-msw.txt
 77 2011-02-09 00:20:01 <poseidon> how do I know if bitcoin is running?  I just started it up for the first time
 78 2011-02-09 00:20:32 <tcatm> da2ce7: no idea...
 79 2011-02-09 00:20:37 <andrew12> poseidon: bitcoind?
 80 2011-02-09 00:22:07 <poseidon> andrew12: using the gui right now.  Will switch to bitcoind later
 81 2011-02-09 00:22:23 <andrew12> poseidon: if you're using the gui you should get a window
 82 2011-02-09 00:23:55 <poseidon> andrew12: I have a gui window up.  What is supposed to happen though?
 83 2011-02-09 00:24:48 <andrew12> poseidon: well you should start seeing the block number go up.. you're ready to send and recieve transactions once the number is the same as the one reported by ,,bc,blocks
 84 2011-02-09 00:24:49 <gribble> 106987
 85 2011-02-09 00:25:54 <sgornick> andrew12: Well, he can receive with the address shown right away, correct?
 86 2011-02-09 00:26:23 <andrew12> sgornick: yeah, but it won't be valid until after he gets all of the blocks, as well as 6 new ones
 87 2011-02-09 00:26:40 <andrew12> there's probably a guide somewhere on the wiki
 88 2011-02-09 00:26:48 <andrew12> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Getting_started
 89 2011-02-09 00:28:33 <poseidon> andrew12: in at the bottom it says that I'm not connected
 90 2011-02-09 00:28:48 <andrew12> poseidon: ah, you'll have to wait a while before you start getting connected to nodes.
 91 2011-02-09 00:28:58 <andrew12> poseidon: it will help if you forward port 8333 on your router
 92 2011-02-09 00:29:12 <andrew12> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Getting_started
 93 2011-02-09 00:29:16 <andrew12> go there.
 94 2011-02-09 00:29:27 <poseidon> andrew12: unfortunately I'm in the dorms and can't forward the port
 95 2011-02-09 00:29:53 <dirtyfilthy> i've just discovered androids 16 meg heap limit heh :/
 96 2011-02-09 00:30:20 <doublec> android apps have a 16mb heap limit?
 97 2011-02-09 00:30:29 <andrew12> poseidon: that's fine. does your school allow outgoing connections on things other than http? (i'm assuming so because you
 98 2011-02-09 00:30:31 <andrew12> 're on irc)
 99 2011-02-09 00:30:34 <dirtyfilthy> yah
100 2011-02-09 00:30:42 <dirtyfilthy> i think it might be higher on some high end phones maybe
101 2011-02-09 00:30:53 <doublec> it'd have to be. firefox on android uses much more than that.
102 2011-02-09 00:31:12 <dirtyfilthy> there are ways around it like mmapped files
103 2011-02-09 00:31:50 <poseidon> andrew12: yes.  Well they didn't let anything outgoing above 80 until I petitioned the school.  (as my home server isp doesn't allow me to have incoming ports open on anything below 80)
104 2011-02-09 00:32:34 <andrew12> poseidon: i'd get yourself a vps :P
105 2011-02-09 00:33:16 <doublec> bitcoin is a pyramid scheme invented by vps resellers to get you to buy vps' to run it - and then pay in bitcoins
106 2011-02-09 00:33:27 <andrew12> precisely
107 2011-02-09 00:33:33 <tcatm> mhm which commit was 0.3.16?
108 2011-02-09 00:34:12 <poseidon> andrew12: I got an account on the research cluster that I use.  I use my server at home to host a website (forum) for me and five close friends in different universities, and to torrent move... errr, linux distos
109 2011-02-09 00:34:13 <andrew12> github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin needs tags
110 2011-02-09 00:34:28 <andrew12> poseidon: haha
111 2011-02-09 00:35:10 <poseidon> in fact I hope that I don't get yelled at for running bitcoin on the research cluster (as well as irc and everything else)
112 2011-02-09 00:35:24 <da2ce7> use tor, no need to port forward
113 2011-02-09 00:35:27 <andrew12> use tor :P
114 2011-02-09 00:35:36 <andrew12> damn da2ce7 :P
115 2011-02-09 00:35:54 <poseidon> yes, but they will throttle my bandwidth.  I have to use the dorm internet since I'm a freshman
116 2011-02-09 00:36:29 <da2ce7> lol, tor don't need much bandwith... just use tor with bitcoin.
117 2011-02-09 00:37:07 <da2ce7> I'm a old person
118 2011-02-09 00:37:12 <doublec> me too
119 2011-02-09 00:39:23 <andrew12> poseidon: what os are you on?
120 2011-02-09 00:40:09 <poseidon> depends...  I'm sshed into the research cluster at my university which runs centos.  However, I'm running archlinux on my laptop
121 2011-02-09 00:40:44 <andrew12> ah
122 2011-02-09 00:41:00 <poseidon> my home server also runsh arch
123 2011-02-09 00:41:06 <poseidon> *runs
124 2011-02-09 00:41:27 <da2ce7> what are you planning to do with bitcoin?  If just to manage coins, check out mybitcoin.com
125 2011-02-09 00:41:32 <andrew12> try running bitcoin (or bitcoind) on your laptop with -addnode=68.68.16.43 (which is my vps)
126 2011-02-09 00:43:01 <CyanDynamo> http://www.newkindofmind.com/2009/12/individualism-and-collectivism-false.html
127 2011-02-09 00:43:42 <da2ce7> happy day, I'm off, I hope that your bitcoins can buy you all the blowjobs you ever wanted, and more :D
128 2011-02-09 00:43:58 <andrew12> o_o
129 2011-02-09 00:47:09 <CyanDynamo> lol
130 2011-02-09 00:47:14 <CyanDynamo> a nice sentiment
131 2011-02-09 00:47:51 <andrew12> no comment
132 2011-02-09 00:50:28 <dissipate> i want an app to get all 21 million bitcoins in my wallet within 24 hours.
133 2011-02-09 00:50:32 <poseidon> andrew12: thanks.  My block count is going up way faster now.
134 2011-02-09 00:50:40 <andrew12> poseidon: :)
135 2011-02-09 00:51:11 <andrew12> poseidon: how many connections do you have now?
136 2011-02-09 00:51:29 <poseidon> lol, 1
137 2011-02-09 00:51:42 <andrew12> heh
138 2011-02-09 00:51:48 <citiz3n> what does the -v -w 128 do on m0mchil's?
139 2011-02-09 00:51:51 <citiz3n> and -f?
140 2011-02-09 00:52:13 <andrew12> i wish i could answer
141 2011-02-09 00:54:37 <tcatm> citiz3n: do you know how opencl is executed in GPU?
142 2011-02-09 00:55:24 <tcatm> if not: -w 128 or -w 64 tweaks the kernel to better fit into the GPU and -f makes your desktop more responsive
143 2011-02-09 00:55:59 <citiz3n> ahh
144 2011-02-09 00:56:06 <citiz3n> and the lower the -f number
145 2011-02-09 00:56:08 <citiz3n> the more responsive?
146 2011-02-09 00:56:10 <lfm> -v was for vector mode but I thot it was dropped
147 2011-02-09 00:56:28 <tcatm> citiz3n: higher -f => more responsive (and slower hashrate)
148 2011-02-09 00:56:42 <andrew12> huh
149 2011-02-09 00:56:55 <andrew12> apparently i generated like 6 testnet blocks last night. had no idea. haha
150 2011-02-09 00:56:57 <citiz3n> interesting, is it almost like a process priority setting
151 2011-02-09 00:57:47 <tcatm> -f is something like block GPU for 1/f seconds intervals
152 2011-02-09 00:57:55 <andrew12> anyone know if http://freebitcoins.appspot.com/TEST/ is using the .3.20 testnet?
153 2011-02-09 00:58:06 <citiz3n> ah so it will affect hashrate constantly then
154 2011-02-09 00:58:18 <tcatm> andrew12: you should have received 314.15  testbtc :)
155 2011-02-09 00:58:32 <andrew12> indeed i did
156 2011-02-09 00:58:39 <citiz3n> congrats ;D
157 2011-02-09 00:58:40 <andrew12> hm
158 2011-02-09 00:58:58 <citiz3n> put them away for a rainy day
159 2011-02-09 00:59:10 <andrew12> wonder if it'd be worth it to make some sort of thing to show my transactons on testnet
160 2011-02-09 00:59:19 <andrew12> via html table
161 2011-02-09 00:59:25 <tcatm> but yeah, looks like testfaucet uses new testnet
162 2011-02-09 00:59:28 <andrew12> rather than ugly json
163 2011-02-09 00:59:32 <andrew12> tcatm: ok cool
164 2011-02-09 00:59:39 <tcatm> andrew12: js-remote? :D
165 2011-02-09 00:59:52 <andrew12> tcatm: i wanted to have it so other people could see it too :P
166 2011-02-09 00:59:52 <citiz3n> how many tbtc does the testfaucet give ya?
167 2011-02-09 01:00:05 <tcatm> make js-remote public accessible
168 2011-02-09 01:00:39 <andrew12> citiz3n: as many as you want
169 2011-02-09 01:00:42 <andrew12> tcatm: i guess that works
170 2011-02-09 01:00:47 <tcatm> citiz3n: 50 per request
171 2011-02-09 01:01:06 <citiz3n> crap, my server froze again
172 2011-02-09 01:01:59 <citiz3n> i might have a bad GPU :(
173 2011-02-09 01:02:05 <andrew12> wee
174 2011-02-09 01:02:10 <andrew12> sent all my test coins to the test faucet
175 2011-02-09 01:02:50 <citiz3n> i bet a lot of people do that
176 2011-02-09 01:03:01 <andrew12> of course
177 2011-02-09 01:03:06 <citiz3n> must be like a tbtc recirculating utility :)
178 2011-02-09 01:03:16 <doublec> you'll regret it when the test network becomes more popular than the real one...
179 2011-02-09 01:03:49 <tcatm> no problem. we'll just reset it again
180 2011-02-09 01:03:51 <lfm> doublec: so you are hoarding testbitcoins?
181 2011-02-09 01:03:58 <citiz3n> i don't see any other choice but to swap out these video cards and see if that solves the problem
182 2011-02-09 01:03:59 <doublec> you'll be despairing over the number of pizza's you could have bought with tbtc in 6 months time
183 2011-02-09 01:04:03 <citiz3n> brb
184 2011-02-09 01:04:16 <doublec> lfm: no :)
185 2011-02-09 01:04:47 <luke-jr> hmm
186 2011-02-09 01:04:50 <andrew12> wow
187 2011-02-09 01:05:00 <luke-jr> so I mined 2 blocks on Testnet in like 2 minutes
188 2011-02-09 01:05:09 <luke-jr> I guess the miner is working
189 2011-02-09 01:05:14 <luke-jr> just difficulty is simply too high
190 2011-02-09 01:05:17 <tcatm> okay, so let's do this: I'll pay 10000 test btc for a pizza delivered to me
191 2011-02-09 01:05:20 <andrew12> my vps can't handle sending all the blocks to 1 node
192 2011-02-09 01:06:01 <andrew12> poseidon: how many blocks do you have now?
193 2011-02-09 01:06:05 <doublec> someone should set up an exchange for test net coins
194 2011-02-09 01:06:15 <doublec> it'd be interesting to see if it got any clients
195 2011-02-09 01:06:29 <andrew12> doublec: it's called the faucet :P
196 2011-02-09 01:06:36 <lolcat> What is the price of bitcoin today?
197 2011-02-09 01:06:47 <tcatm> I sold 40k old testbtc for 20 btc once
198 2011-02-09 01:06:48 <andrew12> lolcat: depends what you mean
199 2011-02-09 01:06:53 <andrew12> ;;bc,mtgox
200 2011-02-09 01:06:54 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.918,"low":0.8617,"vol":7330,"buy":0.8721,"sell":0.9049,"last":0.8721}}
201 2011-02-09 01:06:55 <tcatm> ;;bc,markets
202 2011-02-09 01:06:57 <gribble> bcEUR: 0.6358 (2.0369 BTC) 0.635821/0.8 | bcLREUR: 0.7 (16 BTC) 0.62/0.7 | bcLRUSD: 0.85 (249 BTC) 0.87/0.9167 | bcmLRUSD: 0.41 (500 BTC) 0.5/1 | bcmPPUSD: 0.89 (500 BTC) 0.87/0.89 | bcmPXGAU: 0.02 (400 BTC) 0.0046/None | btcexJPY: 0.0001 (0.03 BTC) None/None | btcexRUB: 27.3 (0.22 BTC) None/None | btcexWMR: 100 (1.08 BTC) None/None | mtgoxUSD: 0.8721 (417.438 BTC) 0.8721/0.9049
203 2011-02-09 01:07:02 <lolcat> Nooo!
204 2011-02-09 01:07:07 <lolcat> It is too expencive, dammit
205 2011-02-09 01:07:13 <andrew12> expensive*
206 2011-02-09 01:07:34 <doublec> lolcat: tcatm will sell you 10,000 testnet coins for a pizza if you want something cheaper
207 2011-02-09 01:09:18 <lolcat> I regret not making myself poor to buy bitcoins
208 2011-02-09 01:09:26 <tcatm> if that works I'll mine another 10k testcoins
209 2011-02-09 01:09:31 <lolcat> Unfortunatly my computer is dead, and my bitcoins are on that...
210 2011-02-09 01:09:32 <tcatm> only takes ~7 minutes on my cluster
211 2011-02-09 01:10:11 <poseidon> andrew12: I have 82000 and 2 connections
212 2011-02-09 01:11:19 <lolcat> Oh, and one thing. bitcoind, is it supposed to use insane amounts of ram?
213 2011-02-09 01:12:15 <dirtyfilthy> no
214 2011-02-09 01:12:31 <doublec> how much is 'insane amounts'?
215 2011-02-09 01:12:37 <poseidon> ,,bc,blocks
216 2011-02-09 01:12:38 <gribble> 106994
217 2011-02-09 01:14:10 <lfm> lolcat 273 megabytes virtual and 32 megabytes resident on my system
218 2011-02-09 01:14:27 <lolcat> 273MB?
219 2011-02-09 01:14:29 <lolcat> WHY?!
220 2011-02-09 01:14:41 <lfm> just what top sez
221 2011-02-09 01:15:05 <andrew12> XMLHttpRequest cannot load http://vps.andrew12.net:18332/. Origin http://vps.andrew12.net is not allowed by Access-Control-Allow-Origin.
222 2011-02-09 01:15:17 <lfm> prolly the lib it links into like boost
223 2011-02-09 01:15:26 <lfm> and the db indexes and ...
224 2011-02-09 01:15:41 <doublec> andrew12: cross origin XMLHttpRequest's don't work by default
225 2011-02-09 01:15:53 <slush> WTF uBTCents ??? TX 17AVztPeRCeUV6S2JGpuombyaKAKfjQCFA 0.05 BTC 1BS1EBLHS1uoyj1hBgRXsFQorMpuV6ni6V 1541728 uBTCents
226 2011-02-09 01:15:58 <andrew12> doublec: how to ake them work
227 2011-02-09 01:16:01 <andrew12> slush: it's stupid tonal
228 2011-02-09 01:16:08 <andrew12> s/ake/make/
229 2011-02-09 01:16:11 <doublec> andrew12: it depends. If your browser supports CORS you can use that
230 2011-02-09 01:16:14 <lfm> lolcat why? whats it on your system?
231 2011-02-09 01:16:19 <tcatm> no, uBTCents are actually 1e-8 BTC
232 2011-02-09 01:16:23 <slush> andrew12: how it appeared in bitcoin monitor?
233 2011-02-09 01:16:37 <slush> oh, so somebody sent uBTC transaction?
234 2011-02-09 01:16:39 <doublec> andrew12: http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/07/cross-site-xmlhttprequest-with-cors/
235 2011-02-09 01:16:53 <tcatm> slush: yep
236 2011-02-09 01:17:31 <andrew12> tcatm: how to make js-remote work
237 2011-02-09 01:17:33 <tcatm> http://blockexplorer.com/tx/9b3ed9b45ba9a8e061af209af4a44e1e42c85f8b37cbfdf1aa0cbc05de66a127
238 2011-02-09 01:17:41 <tcatm> andrew12: use the included SSLserver.py
239 2011-02-09 01:17:49 <tcatm> it'll proxy RPC requests
240 2011-02-09 01:18:00 <andrew12> is that what i want? lol
241 2011-02-09 01:18:11 <slush> tcatm: is that possible with bitcoind rpc?
242 2011-02-09 01:18:14 <tcatm> see http://tcatm.github.com/bitcoin-js-remote/
243 2011-02-09 01:18:19 <slush> or is it still rounding
244 2011-02-09 01:18:33 <tcatm> slush: it's probably change
245 2011-02-09 01:19:07 <tcatm> RPC is still rounding
246 2011-02-09 01:19:12 <andrew12> i can probably just make /testnetrpc/ in lighttpd proxy to my bitcoind
247 2011-02-09 01:19:40 <tcatm> andrew12: would work too. Please tell me how to do that if it works :)
248 2011-02-09 01:20:27 <andrew12> will do
249 2011-02-09 01:24:35 <andrew12> tcatm: http://vps.andrew12.net/bitcoin-js-remote/
250 2011-02-09 01:26:25 <citiz3n> so you have that hooked up to testnet andrew?
251 2011-02-09 01:26:32 <andrew12> citiz3n: yes
252 2011-02-09 01:26:54 <andrew12> addresses that start with n or m (probably some others) are testnet
253 2011-02-09 01:27:10 <citiz3n> cool - didn't know that
254 2011-02-09 01:27:23 <andrew12> addresses that start with 1 are mainner
255 2011-02-09 01:27:23 <citiz3n> well im trying a few different things with my server to see if stability can be achieved
256 2011-02-09 01:27:26 <andrew12> mainnet.
257 2011-02-09 01:27:35 <andrew12> tcatm: http://pastie.org/1543368
258 2011-02-09 01:27:40 <citiz3n> lowering clockspeed didn't do the trick
259 2011-02-09 01:27:58 <citiz3n> so now im trying the crossfire bridges - someone told me they needed to use them in order to run stable
260 2011-02-09 01:27:59 <citiz3n> so we'll see
261 2011-02-09 01:28:42 <slush> citiz3n: is the computer freezing?
262 2011-02-09 01:29:02 <slush> afaik the CF should be definitely off
263 2011-02-09 01:29:38 <slush> and don't see the reason why adding CF bridges should help
264 2011-02-09 01:29:53 <citiz3n> i don't either, but with windows and ATI you never know :)
265 2011-02-09 01:30:01 <citiz3n> CF is off
266 2011-02-09 01:30:17 <lolcat> lfm: More than I want it to
267 2011-02-09 01:30:18 <citiz3n> the computer either freezes completely or shuts down
268 2011-02-09 01:30:22 <slush> citiz3n: looks like PSU issue
269 2011-02-09 01:30:29 <citiz3n> you think?
270 2011-02-09 01:30:32 <slush> yes
271 2011-02-09 01:30:40 <slush> which PSU?
272 2011-02-09 01:30:48 <citiz3n> i don't recall which brand this one is
273 2011-02-09 01:31:02 <citiz3n> i thought corsair
274 2011-02-09 01:31:08 <citiz3n> but id have to look
275 2011-02-09 01:31:22 <citiz3n> it's a nice ass 1000 or 12000 watt modular supply
276 2011-02-09 01:31:33 <citiz3n> err 1200
277 2011-02-09 01:31:37 <slush> hmm, weird
278 2011-02-09 01:31:40 <ArtForz> how many 5970s?
279 2011-02-09 01:31:47 <slush> should be far enough
280 2011-02-09 01:31:48 <citiz3n> none, just 2 5870s
281 2011-02-09 01:31:50 <ArtForz> yeah, that should be way plenty
282 2011-02-09 01:31:51 <citiz3n> 1 card - the 2nd one - seems to be giving problems
283 2011-02-09 01:31:57 <citiz3n> the miner froze on #2 a couple times
284 2011-02-09 01:32:03 <citiz3n> was getting invalid blocks another time
285 2011-02-09 01:32:09 <slush> citiz3n: is second card working standalone?
286 2011-02-09 01:32:21 <citiz3n> both are working fine right now
287 2011-02-09 01:32:29 <slush> citiz3n: I had also troubles with frozing cores. Underclocking helped
288 2011-02-09 01:32:32 <citiz3n> im abut to head out, so we'll see if it's still working when i get back :)
289 2011-02-09 01:32:56 <citiz3n> yeah it could always be the one card doesn't like being OCed so much
290 2011-02-09 01:32:59 <citiz3n> but anyways, im out
291 2011-02-09 01:33:04 <citiz3n> will see ya all later
292 2011-02-09 01:33:22 <comboy> what kind of other than bitcoin 5970 usages you guys know? other than gaming
293 2011-02-09 01:33:36 <ArtForz> I'm seeing random freeze/shutdown with too high OC on linux as well
294 2011-02-09 01:33:43 <lfm> comboy folding@home
295 2011-02-09 01:33:48 <ArtForz> pyrit, oclhashcat
296 2011-02-09 01:33:49 <comboy> I can think about password cracking and simplocks, is there anything other practical at the moment?
297 2011-02-09 01:33:50 <andrew12> comboy: GPGPU? lol
298 2011-02-09 01:33:54 <slush> comboy: heating
299 2011-02-09 01:34:02 <andrew12> slush++
300 2011-02-09 01:34:07 <comboy> yeah, heating works great for me
301 2011-02-09 01:34:17 <ArtForz> yeah, it's pretty good at that
302 2011-02-09 01:34:29 <comboy> but seriously, do you know any other usages?
303 2011-02-09 01:34:36 <poseidon> comboy: women go crazy for men with lots of bitcoins
304 2011-02-09 01:34:44 <andrew12> calculate pi to the billionth digit
305 2011-02-09 01:35:02 <comboy> poseidon: I'm quite convinced my wife ain't one of them ;)
306 2011-02-09 01:35:11 <lfm> comboy fancy screensavers
307 2011-02-09 01:35:15 <comboy> hah, pi soundsn fun
308 2011-02-09 01:35:28 <comboy> yeah but I mean something you can make money on
309 2011-02-09 01:35:34 <andrew12> bitcoin
310 2011-02-09 01:35:39 <andrew12> </discussion>
311 2011-02-09 01:35:48 <andrew12> brb
312 2011-02-09 01:35:51 <comboy> :>
313 2011-02-09 01:35:55 <lfm> comboy oh! no you cant make money any other way
314 2011-02-09 01:36:04 <comboy> ok, I meant dollars
315 2011-02-09 01:36:13 <comboy> ;)
316 2011-02-09 01:36:14 <poseidon> sell bitcoins
317 2011-02-09 01:36:23 <poseidon> *exchange bitcoins
318 2011-02-09 01:36:27 <slush> comboy: what kind of usage for HDD do you know? Except... hmmm... storing bits? :)
319 2011-02-09 01:36:41 <ArtForz> sell hashcash calculation services to spammers? *ducks*
320 2011-02-09 01:36:46 <comboy> oh c'mon
321 2011-02-09 01:36:47 <slush> comboy: I think when GPU has more than one usage it's pretty nice
322 2011-02-09 01:37:19 <comboy> yes, for passwords and breaking some things it's nice
323 2011-02-09 01:37:33 <comboy> and simplocks as far as I heard
324 2011-02-09 01:37:41 <comboy> but do you know anything more
325 2011-02-09 01:37:47 <ArtForz> well, thats pretty much the same
326 2011-02-09 01:37:59 <comboy> I'm just wondering who's willing to pay for these cards when 6990 is out for good
327 2011-02-09 01:38:06 <ArtForz> iirc sl breaking == sha1 bruteforce
328 2011-02-09 01:38:08 <comboy> it is indeed
329 2011-02-09 01:38:28 <ArtForz> well, I am working on a new application
330 2011-02-09 01:38:43 <ArtForz> generating md5 rainbow tables
331 2011-02-09 01:38:58 <ArtForz> theres already cpu and cuda impls
332 2011-02-09 01:39:08 <comboy> why do people still spend time for md5?
333 2011-02-09 01:39:29 <comboy> isnt that already really cheap?
334 2011-02-09 01:39:34 <ArtForz> kinda
335 2011-02-09 01:39:53 <ArtForz> so I'll write one in OCL just to fuck with the nvidians
336 2011-02-09 01:39:57 <lfm> comboy still lotsa old stuff is md5 of course
337 2011-02-09 01:40:03 <ArtForz> yep
338 2011-02-09 01:40:09 <andrew12> nvidians? haven't heard that one before
339 2011-02-09 01:40:15 <ArtForz> just made it up
340 2011-02-09 01:40:22 <ArtForz> sounds nice than nvidiots
341 2011-02-09 01:40:26 <comboy> hah, fucking with them sounds even better ;)
342 2011-02-09 01:40:29 <ArtForz> *nicer
343 2011-02-09 01:40:38 <andrew12> haha
344 2011-02-09 01:40:39 <luke-jr> nvideous victims?
345 2011-02-09 01:41:33 <ArtForz> I also have another crypto application in mind, but havent really checked if its possible
346 2011-02-09 01:41:49 <ArtForz> completely breaking the old zip crypt
347 2011-02-09 01:42:01 <andrew12> is it at all interesting that ssh is currently using the most ram of anything running on this machine? it's archlinux and there's only 17 processes and 54mb in use
348 2011-02-09 01:42:31 <comboy> andrew12: screen maybe?
349 2011-02-09 01:42:33 <luke-jr> there are two kinds of nvideous victims: those who are in denial and willing victims (to be spited), and those who just didn't know any better (to be pitied) :P
350 2011-02-09 01:42:45 <andrew12> comboy: what? lol
351 2011-02-09 01:42:50 <ArtForz> theres a variation of the surezip attack that needs *no* known plaintext and only a single file in the archive
352 2011-02-09 01:43:00 <andrew12> screen's not running on here. i'm ssh'd to my vps which is where i've got screen+irssi
353 2011-02-09 01:43:17 <andrew12> hey guys! let's make a p2p network to crack md5 passwords!
354 2011-02-09 01:43:21 <ArtForz> problem is, it's a few orders of magnitude slower
355 2011-02-09 01:43:25 <dirtyfilthy> what's are simplocks?
356 2011-02-09 01:43:28 <comboy> andrew12: I understood wrong I guess
357 2011-02-09 01:43:34 <andrew12> comboy: :D
358 2011-02-09 01:43:40 <comboy> but in your on vps consider tmux
359 2011-02-09 01:43:45 <luke-jr> andrew12: do it! get your GPU off bitcoin!
360 2011-02-09 01:43:54 <poseidon> andrew12: do you run a window manager?
361 2011-02-09 01:43:57 <andrew12> any idea how many times i've heard that comboy?
362 2011-02-09 01:43:59 <andrew12> luke-jr: what gpu?
363 2011-02-09 01:44:04 <andrew12> poseidon: not currently
364 2011-02-09 01:44:05 <luke-jr> andrew12: lol dunno
365 2011-02-09 01:44:20 <comboy> andrew12: not really, there are some windows users there, and very experienced linux gurus
366 2011-02-09 01:44:22 <ArtForz> 2**63 vs 2**42
367 2011-02-09 01:44:32 <luke-jr> ArtForz: join andrew12's mission with your GPUs kthx
368 2011-02-09 01:44:36 <comboy> so I'll asume you are not a windows user, and skip suggestions next time
369 2011-02-09 01:45:07 <comboy> kind of a service where you could rent gpu power
370 2011-02-09 01:45:14 <comboy> could be a nice fallback for all miners
371 2011-02-09 01:45:20 <andrew12> comboy: it was a joke. people always suggest i use tmux but i'm too lazy to try to figure out why its better than screen
372 2011-02-09 01:45:23 <andrew12> comboy: #bitcoind
373 2011-02-09 01:45:43 <poseidon> andrew12: I run xmonad on my laptop.  However, I do almost everything via ssh/screen on the research cluster at my uni
374 2011-02-09 01:46:04 <luke-jr> andrew12: the answer to that is obvious: when you have an issue, you can use Google to find an answer
375 2011-02-09 01:46:16 <comboy> andrew12: I'm on screen currently, but they reapiting me the same ;) fortunately I dont have to care much about ram
376 2011-02-09 01:46:21 <poseidon> andrew12: san reason I use screen instead of tmux :)
377 2011-02-09 01:46:24 <andrew12> holy shit i am so popular today
378 2011-02-09 01:46:45 <luke-jr> andrew12: I want to send you some TBC, what is your address?
379 2011-02-09 01:47:30 <luke-jr> too slow, I'm impatient
380 2011-02-09 01:47:32 <luke-jr> maybe next time
381 2011-02-09 01:47:34 <luke-jr> :P
382 2011-02-09 01:47:39 <andrew12> :(
383 2011-02-09 01:49:06 <andrew12> 1GtTqvAL9hZ28WSekGukRqAGNHub1RzgzC
384 2011-02-09 01:49:09 <lfm> can send em to me then --- 1AM2gFf7nJqg7rAee4LZ5oUwN1oevLo81L
385 2011-02-09 01:49:10 <andrew12> ./exec -o ruby getnewaddress.rb
386 2011-02-09 01:49:11 <andrew12> woo
387 2011-02-09 01:49:15 <lfm> oops too slow
388 2011-02-09 01:49:20 <comboy> si is there already any popular network where you can earn money with hashing?
389 2011-02-09 01:49:22 <andrew12> lol
390 2011-02-09 01:49:32 <andrew12> comboy: BITCOIN!
391 2011-02-09 01:49:57 <comboy> andrew12: you are so predictable
392 2011-02-09 01:50:38 <lfm> comboy I think its almost rude of you to ask us what are the alternatives to biycoin for your gpu
393 2011-02-09 01:50:53 <comboy> :)
394 2011-02-09 01:51:07 <comboy> I dont see anything close optimal to bitcoin for the moment
395 2011-02-09 01:51:20 <andrew12> now to see if /getnewaddress works for mainnet and testnet
396 2011-02-09 01:51:25 <andrew12> 1GSP1YwRkpd5h2ha6zhTmhQk5tNM7mhz3d
397 2011-02-09 01:51:28 <andrew12> mtK8SmZ6BgkUPZojYubzztjtG1dT393rMp
398 2011-02-09 01:51:30 <andrew12> awesome!
399 2011-02-09 01:51:34 <luke-jr> [21:50:36] <bitcoincharts> TX 1GtTqvAL9hZ28WSekGukRqAGNHub1RzgzC 10 TBC 1GqMFmGs94HpYmUBbzAGtHySV5MGDKc6ET 1951424 uBTCents 9b154ed00fe78bdf478f19f05ffca74cf2dbdf57d2cabf52f413a9973f71b986
400 2011-02-09 01:51:36 <comboy> but you waste 500 bitcoins and btc price is down officialy ;)
401 2011-02-09 01:51:37 <luke-jr> [21:50:53] <bitcoincharts> TX 13pFsgUDbWxLZvW2sTxZBX6WqXK89Vu7oH 1951424 uBTCents 1AM2gFf7nJqg7rAee4LZ5oUwN1oevLo81L 10 TBC caab668b1586483504e8fea36b37ebcc7696648ddd3070e38e5c0405d90289fc
402 2011-02-09 01:51:50 <comboy> I really wolud love to know some fallback
403 2011-02-09 01:52:09 <comboy> or to know if 5970 has much value for other non-bitcoin non-gamers
404 2011-02-09 01:52:24 <lfm> well ask them, not us
405 2011-02-09 01:52:27 <comboy> (sorry for reapeating myself, but you are repeating bitcoin, and yes I know what channel is that)
406 2011-02-09 01:52:52 <comboy> well I dont know them, I'm new in the gpu world
407 2011-02-09 01:53:07 <andrew12> i'm not even in the gpu world :P
408 2011-02-09 01:53:09 <lfm> google
409 2011-02-09 01:53:40 <comboy> oh thanks!
410 2011-02-09 01:53:50 <comboy> can I use it instead of yahoo?
411 2011-02-09 01:53:59 <andrew12> heh
412 2011-02-09 01:54:03 <lfm> ask yahoo
413 2011-02-09 01:54:30 <andrew12> infinite loops are like infinite loops which are like infinite loops which *bang*
414 2011-02-09 01:56:34 <comboy> btw
415 2011-02-09 01:56:49 <comboy> I dont know if I would have time to do this so
416 2011-02-09 01:56:59 <comboy> what do you think about sich idea:
417 2011-02-09 01:57:10 <comboy> I think there is problem with markets
418 2011-02-09 01:57:14 <comboy> and buyers/sellers
419 2011-02-09 01:57:26 <comboy> you cannot trust them based on numbers or amount of transactions
420 2011-02-09 01:57:36 <comboy> net is anonymus so it can be easily manipulated
421 2011-02-09 01:57:43 <comboy> but
422 2011-02-09 01:57:51 <comboy> we have a lot of enthusiast
423 2011-02-09 01:57:57 <comboy> so
424 2011-02-09 01:58:14 <comboy> I would gladly pay 5% for my bitcoin transactions
425 2011-02-09 01:58:20 <comboy> if 1% goes to the market owner
426 2011-02-09 01:58:29 <comboy> but 4% goes for btc development
427 2011-02-09 01:58:41 <comboy> I guess mostly bounties, you can vote for what exactly
428 2011-02-09 01:58:51 <luke-jr> comboy: just donate to developers who do what you want
429 2011-02-09 01:59:02 <comboy> if tihs is as service, you gain trust of somebody
430 2011-02-09 01:59:15 <comboy> because you know how much and how worthy transactions did he have
431 2011-02-09 01:59:19 <luke-jr> recently, a KDE developer added full transparency to KolourPaint
432 2011-02-09 01:59:28 <luke-jr> so I offered them a small donation because I appreciate it
433 2011-02-09 01:59:45 <comboy> so if he have history of 1000 btc spend, and this is 5% yoou are safe buying 50btc because it would not be profitable for him to cheat
434 2011-02-09 02:00:21 <andrew12> send me bitcoins because http://mtgox.heroku.com and http://vps.andrew12.net:9000 are awesome! :p
435 2011-02-09 02:00:41 <comboy> it's not about donations really, they are here just by the way, it's about that somebody can say I had transactions worth 4567 btc and you can trust him
436 2011-02-09 02:00:54 <luke-jr> andrew12: I already did, but don't care about mtgox
437 2011-02-09 02:01:02 <andrew12> luke-jr: :(
438 2011-02-09 02:01:08 <andrew12> :p
439 2011-02-09 02:01:20 <comboy> right now you cannot, because it could be him sending himself bitcoins around the network
440 2011-02-09 02:02:10 <comboy> any comments like "that's shitty because" welcome
441 2011-02-09 02:02:22 <andrew12> comboy: that's shitty because
442 2011-02-09 02:02:31 <comboy> fucking knew it
443 2011-02-09 02:02:36 <comboy> you are a bot
444 2011-02-09 02:02:44 <comboy> prove you are not a bot, I challange you ;)
445 2011-02-09 02:03:08 <lfm> bitcoin is no different than any other currency in that respect
446 2011-02-09 02:03:15 <luke-jr> we have bots in #anime that can sometimes appear more real than people ;)
447 2011-02-09 02:03:37 <comboy> lfm: it's much more anonymus, it's way easier
448 2011-02-09 02:04:17 <comboy> well these chatbots like clever bot with all these input they collected got pretty strong lately too
449 2011-02-09 02:04:22 <andrew12> comboy: how would you like me to prove that i'm not a bot?
450 2011-02-09 02:04:56 <andrew12> nobody here has ever met me irl, but some have done trades with me
451 2011-02-09 02:05:24 <comboy> andrew12: I'm really ok with bots and FAIs
452 2011-02-09 02:05:33 <comboy> just like high output randomization
453 2011-02-09 02:05:39 <andrew12> fai's?
454 2011-02-09 02:05:43 <comboy> friendly AI
455 2011-02-09 02:05:54 <andrew12> oh
456 2011-02-09 02:06:03 <andrew12> i think they're annoying
457 2011-02-09 02:06:10 <andrew12> lol
458 2011-02-09 02:06:22 <comboy> :))
459 2011-02-09 02:06:44 <comboy> ok so I shared with you my awfully awesome idea and nobody cares, life's so brutal
460 2011-02-09 02:07:10 <comboy> I 'm gonna clean the kitchen, maybe I belong there more
461 2011-02-09 02:07:13 <comboy> *crunch*
462 2011-02-09 02:07:19 <DoomDumas> when mining, is random a try in 32^2 possibility ?
463 2011-02-09 02:07:38 <comboy> "what you have heard, was for your ears only.... BUT THE COOKIE IS MINE!"
464 2011-02-09 02:08:49 <comboy> you mean 2^32 I guess and I guess now, that would be breaking sha256 per block if I get it corretly, kinda hardcore
465 2011-02-09 02:08:50 <luke-jr> DoomDumas: depends on difficulty
466 2011-02-09 02:09:09 <comboy> s/now/not
467 2011-02-09 02:09:18 <luke-jr> probably more like 1 in 1000000000000000 :p
468 2011-02-09 02:09:22 <luke-jr> at least
469 2011-02-09 02:09:36 <andrew12> ;;bc,probability
470 2011-02-09 02:09:37 <gribble> Error: "bc,probability" is not a valid command.
471 2011-02-09 02:09:39 <andrew12> hm
472 2011-02-09 02:10:07 <DoomDumas> thanks, interesting.. :)
473 2011-02-09 02:14:33 <DoomDumas> im I wrong if I state, in a pool, controled sequential mining would be better than the actual random minning ?
474 2011-02-09 02:14:46 <luke-jr> DoomDumas: no
475 2011-02-09 02:15:00 <luke-jr> sequential might as well be random
476 2011-02-09 02:15:09 <DoomDumas> im not wrong ?   ;)
477 2011-02-09 02:15:21 <luke-jr> you're not right
478 2011-02-09 02:15:27 <DoomDumas> ah, indeed
479 2011-02-09 02:15:49 <DoomDumas> but is'nt there some try to the same value over all the network ?
480 2011-02-09 02:16:52 <DoomDumas> for a block, some peer may have tried the same value.. no ?
481 2011-02-09 02:16:56 <comboy> no, you are hashing your address which is unique too
482 2011-02-09 02:18:04 <DoomDumas> oh quite more evovled than I tought, thanks for taking the time to help me understand a bit more :D
483 2011-02-09 02:18:16 <comboy> and if sha is secure, order in which you are checknig nounces does not matter
484 2011-02-09 02:18:44 <comboy> I wish we had better docs
485 2011-02-09 02:19:15 <comboy> lolcat is looooooooooooooooold
486 2011-02-09 02:19:22 <comboy> sorry just fired
487 2011-02-09 02:19:42 <dirtyfilthy> rainbow table of 76 bytes
488 2011-02-09 02:19:57 <lolcat> I remember using it to crack the nt-hash on my school when I was younger.
489 2011-02-09 02:20:18 <lolcat> 37 seconds and I got the admin password for 200+ computers
490 2011-02-09 02:20:46 <lolcat> It had remotley anywhere installed, so I could view all the files, delete, execute, and do pretty much whatever on them
491 2011-02-09 02:21:07 <comboy> and we could have been plaing footbal
492 2011-02-09 02:22:47 <comboy> I dont know about win security, but how could that be possible that breaking protecting hash would take you so quick back then?
493 2011-02-09 02:23:03 <lolcat> comboy: The hash was split in two
494 2011-02-09 02:23:16 <lolcat> The first few cipers n the first one
495 2011-02-09 02:23:24 <lolcat> And the last ones in the second part
496 2011-02-09 02:23:28 <ArtForz> old win hash was 2*7 chars
497 2011-02-09 02:23:36 <lolcat> The password was amiga0s xD
498 2011-02-09 02:23:38 <ArtForz> and converts lwoercase to uppercase
499 2011-02-09 02:23:41 <comboy> omg
500 2011-02-09 02:23:42 <comboy> awesome design
501 2011-02-09 02:23:49 <comboy> didnt know that
502 2011-02-09 02:24:13 <ArtForz> also not salted, so precalcing rainbowtables was trivial
503 2011-02-09 02:24:20 <lolcat> they later changed it to nt+rl**p
504 2011-02-09 02:24:40 <lolcat> It was a little slower to crack, but still done before I finished making a coffe...
505 2011-02-09 02:24:53 <lolcat> or, I think it was a  in there
506 2011-02-09 02:26:06 <comboy> so how did you get the hash? you had psychical access to that machine?
507 2011-02-09 02:26:24 <lolcat> It was laptops
508 2011-02-09 02:26:52 <ArtForz> ouch
509 2011-02-09 02:26:53 <lolcat> I took the harddrive out of my computer, put it in a usb case, and used a friends computer to crack
510 2011-02-09 02:27:12 <lolcat> Only boot methods were PXE and HDD, we just setup a PXE server for it
511 2011-02-09 02:27:23 <lolcat> ArtForz: And ALL 200+ computers had the same password.
512 2011-02-09 02:27:26 <comboy> wait, windows NT and you are putting it in usb case, that's somebody's software not up to date
513 2011-02-09 02:27:52 <comboy> ah
514 2011-02-09 02:28:00 <lolcat> We did shutdowns on teachers computers just for fun when we where bored with some inappropriate message
515 2011-02-09 02:28:05 <comboy> I was just about to ask why not just boot it from fdd and change the file
516 2011-02-09 02:28:12 <ArtForz> didnt XP still store NT hash?
517 2011-02-09 02:28:15 <comboy> ok that's not really the same as learning the pass
518 2011-02-09 02:28:15 <lolcat> comboy: Windows XP, but they didn't disable the nthash
519 2011-02-09 02:28:22 <ArtForz> I rememebr 2k certainly did
520 2011-02-09 02:28:33 <comboy> lolcat: and in xp this is default setting?
521 2011-02-09 02:28:41 <ArtForz> iirc, yes
522 2011-02-09 02:28:45 <lolcat> ArtForz: You can disable it in XP, but they didn't untill the second time
523 2011-02-09 02:28:50 <lolcat> comboy: I assume so
524 2011-02-09 02:28:53 <ArtForz> you can disable it in 2k too
525 2011-02-09 02:29:01 <comboy> damn I should learn more about windows
526 2011-02-09 02:29:15 <ArtForz> but lazy/stupid admins forget that
527 2011-02-09 02:30:30 <lolcat> ArtForz: I think we could have done a lot more things that would be bad. A couple of my friends wrote down the names of the owners of most of the computers
528 2011-02-09 02:30:44 <lolcat> A friend installed som trojan on my computer...
529 2011-02-09 02:30:48 <comboy> lazy stupid admins remind me of this anonymous revenge lately: http://niebezpiecznik.pl/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/rootkit.jpg that is so adorable
530 2011-02-09 02:31:03 <andrew12> i should probably go to bed
531 2011-02-09 02:31:10 <comboy> lolcat: my friend tried installing thorjan on mine
532 2011-02-09 02:31:13 <comboy> and you know what?
533 2011-02-09 02:31:20 <comboy> he installed server at *his* computer
534 2011-02-09 02:31:26 <comboy> that was so awesome
535 2011-02-09 02:32:11 <lolcat> comboy: My friend used the one included in cain and abel
536 2011-02-09 02:32:14 <comboy> because you know when you are this criptt kiddie in 1995, you have this trojan, and you have 2 programs, and server sounds like controlling center rigt? ;)
537 2011-02-09 02:32:55 <andrew12> slush: i'm curious of how the pool works. at least the custom rpc you have.. does it check in some sort of database if the user/pass combination is correct? does it cache it at all?
538 2011-02-09 02:32:55 <comboy> havent heard about cain and abel
539 2011-02-09 02:33:18 <andrew12> if its not cached you could probably use memcached to speed requests up a bit
540 2011-02-09 02:34:09 <comboy> it's running on a single machine, if you want speed so badly local memory still 10x faster than memcache ;)
541 2011-02-09 02:34:53 <andrew12> comboy: speed is important when you've got a ton of getwork/s
542 2011-02-09 02:35:38 <lolcat> Is the bitcoind with less rpc bugs ready?
543 2011-02-09 02:35:43 <comboy> well certainly you do not want to touch disk, but any db would keep that in memory anyway
544 2011-02-09 02:35:50 <andrew12> lolcat: bitcoind has bugs? blasphemy!
545 2011-02-09 02:36:54 <comboy> I need to get back to some work, thanks for nice stories anyway
546 2011-02-09 02:37:06 <lolcat> Someone told me to await coding my bitcoin ideas for when the next version came
547 2011-02-09 02:37:28 <comboy> andrew12: btw, was benchmarking lately memcached vs tokyo tyrant, and tokyo looked better
548 2011-02-09 02:37:43 <andrew12> no idea what tokyo tyrant is
549 2011-02-09 02:37:57 <comboy> tcp access to tokyo cabinet
550 2011-02-09 02:38:04 <comboy> which is really fast storage
551 2011-02-09 02:38:28 <andrew12> is it scalable? :p
552 2011-02-09 02:38:48 <andrew12> i'm kidding
553 2011-02-09 02:38:55 <comboy> :>
554 2011-02-09 02:40:01 <comboy> damn, I wonder how long before we have some guys from bitcoin community starting startups fundend in bitcoins by other community members
555 2011-02-09 02:40:16 <comboy> I mean prefitable ones, kind of stock basics
556 2011-02-09 02:40:36 <comboy> ok I really need to work, irc is so evil, bbl
557 2011-02-09 03:03:53 <andrew12> nini
558 2011-02-09 03:11:05 <joe_1> bitcoin back to 90 cents party
559 2011-02-09 03:16:06 <lolcat> 90 cent?
560 2011-02-09 03:17:26 <joe_1> yea
561 2011-02-09 03:17:57 <joe_1> 90.4 cents
562 2011-02-09 03:24:32 <joe_1> are you going to buy before it pops to 4.00?
563 2011-02-09 03:33:14 <DoomDumas> what if some big $ investors guys found BTC-OTC interesting.. could this be bad in anyway for the market ?
564 2011-02-09 03:34:00 <DoomDumas> oops, tought I was on -otc
565 2011-02-09 03:35:08 <luke-jr> DoomDumas: probably would create a burst of value to $100+ per BTC, then drop back to maybe $2-$5
566 2011-02-09 03:36:06 <luke-jr> How can I view generated bitcoins via RPC?
567 2011-02-09 03:36:11 <luke-jr> Kiba: where?
568 2011-02-09 03:36:21 <doublec> luke-jr: you can't
569 2011-02-09 03:36:30 <luke-jr> doublec: >:/
570 2011-02-09 03:36:31 <doublec> luke-jr: they'll appear when they've matured
571 2011-02-09 03:36:42 <luke-jr> I want to verify they're there maturing
572 2011-02-09 03:37:04 <doublec> yeah it's annoying that they don't appear
573 2011-02-09 03:38:52 <EvanR> i heard you can make it show in the latest version, but i dunno
574 2011-02-09 03:40:42 <Kiba> http://www.bitcoinservice.co.uk/files/117
575 2011-02-09 03:41:33 <Kiba> well, the first issue of The Bitcoin Weekly is actually entirely public domain
576 2011-02-09 03:43:53 <luke-jr> You are downloading: issue00.pdf (104KB)
577 2011-02-09 03:43:54 <luke-jr> It will cost: 0btc
578 2011-02-09 03:44:02 <luke-jr> why does it waste the time to generate an address?
579 2011-02-09 03:44:11 <luke-jr> wtf is Han Dao?
580 2011-02-09 03:44:33 <afed> hope you got sale orders in at $100/BTC just in case it spikes
581 2011-02-09 03:45:25 <luke-jr> wtf Kiba, I skipped the year and thought you were serious about the US paying off its debts
582 2011-02-09 03:45:51 <luke-jr> smartphones better be obsolete tech by 2017 :p
583 2011-02-09 03:46:08 <luke-jr> netbooks too
584 2011-02-09 03:46:11 <afed> luke-jr: what am i gonna do during shitbreaks at work
585 2011-02-09 03:46:23 <luke-jr> Kiba: lrn2speel!
586 2011-02-09 03:46:45 <luke-jr> rugged* dental* illegally bought*
587 2011-02-09 03:46:55 <luke-jr> started to revolt*
588 2011-02-09 03:47:05 <luke-jr> also, your close-quotes are open-quotes
589 2011-02-09 03:47:40 <afed> if you have debts in USD it is pointless to pay them off
590 2011-02-09 03:47:45 <afed> throwing good money after bad
591 2011-02-09 03:47:58 <afed> convert your extra USD into bitcoins, gold, or even euro
592 2011-02-09 03:48:09 <afed> let inflation do the work
593 2011-02-09 03:48:21 <luke-jr> liquify* accumulated*
594 2011-02-09 03:48:22 <Diablo-D3> ....
595 2011-02-09 03:48:35 <afed> if you actually give a damn about paying your debts, do it in a few years after your currency investments outpace compounding interest one hundredfold
596 2011-02-09 03:48:58 <newsham> afed: what is the current rate of inflation?
597 2011-02-09 03:49:11 <afed> according to what source?
598 2011-02-09 03:49:13 <luke-jr> newsham: 50 BTC per 10 mins
599 2011-02-09 03:49:16 <newsham> afed: how much has the euro appreciated agains tthe dollar in the last 12mos?
600 2011-02-09 03:49:27 <afed> too lazy to look that up just now
601 2011-02-09 03:49:40 <luke-jr> an identification card* I'd rather not*
602 2011-02-09 03:49:47 <newsham> afed: do you thikn gold is a good investment today at >$1300?
603 2011-02-09 03:49:59 <afed> hell no
604 2011-02-09 03:50:08 <afed> buy low
605 2011-02-09 03:50:19 <afed> i was being sarcastic earlier
606 2011-02-09 03:50:26 <newsham> but you said to put your dollars into gold and let your debt deflate away
607 2011-02-09 03:50:28 <newsham> ok, *phew*
608 2011-02-09 03:50:30 <afed> i took my profits on BTC at .75
609 2011-02-09 03:50:33 <newsham> cause that sounds like some pretty bad advice right now :)
610 2011-02-09 03:50:44 <joe_1> i want my debt to deflate away
611 2011-02-09 03:50:47 <newsham> if you have debt that costs you 6% and your cash is paying you 1%, its a pretty good time to pay down debt
612 2011-02-09 03:51:06 <luke-jr> 2.1e^-7 BTC better not ever be a high price :P
613 2011-02-09 03:51:25 <afed> my credit's still good
614 2011-02-09 03:51:27 <joe_1> luke: it will be about a penny.
615 2011-02-09 03:51:39 <afed> i'm slowly reducing my credit cards, and incurring student loans
616 2011-02-09 03:51:44 <newsham> i mean, you might find an investment that pays off >6%, but it prob will be a lot riskier than paying down your debt
617 2011-02-09 03:51:51 <afed> i'm confident the dollars i'm borrowing now will be worth less in the future
618 2011-02-09 03:52:00 <newsham> eek, credit card debt.
619 2011-02-09 03:52:02 <newsham> that hurts
620 2011-02-09 03:52:07 <afed> yeah i was a kid
621 2011-02-09 03:52:17 <afed> i knew better and i did it anyway
622 2011-02-09 03:52:18 <afed> i am fixing it now
623 2011-02-09 03:52:38 <afed> at least i didn't have a kid :D
624 2011-02-09 03:52:42 <afed> that would have cost a lot more
625 2011-02-09 03:52:43 <luke-jr> &
626 2011-02-09 03:52:44 <newsham> any way you can refi that someway else?  mortgage? personal loan? etc?
627 2011-02-09 03:52:57 <luke-jr> afed: children are inflation-proof investments ;)
628 2011-02-09 03:53:15 <newsham> luke: guaranteed to cost you omney in any interest rate environment? :)
629 2011-02-09 03:53:16 <afed> not if the little bastards become drug addicts and don't pay for your assisted living home
630 2011-02-09 03:53:33 <EvanR> either cure aging or kill yourself early
631 2011-02-09 03:53:44 <newsham> only the good die young
632 2011-02-09 03:53:47 <afed> i plan to spend my retirement drinking scotch and ircing, it should be cheap but i don't think anyone is going to pay for it but me
633 2011-02-09 03:54:08 <EvanR> yeah better keep on day trading lol
634 2011-02-09 03:54:14 <newsham> afed: i recommend buying a few casks now and storing them somewhere safe ;-)
635 2011-02-09 03:54:27 <newsham> theres an appreciating asset
636 2011-02-09 03:54:34 <afed> hehe i bet when i'm 70 and drunk on irc
637 2011-02-09 03:54:47 <afed> someone will come up with some cockamamie scheme involving currency and GPUs
638 2011-02-09 03:54:52 <luke-jr> afed: that's if you don't invest properly
639 2011-02-09 03:54:55 <newsham> wish my mom put away a few casks when i was born
640 2011-02-09 03:55:00 <afed> and i'll buy 2000 BTC of hardware from newegg
641 2011-02-09 03:55:06 <newsham> so i could always drink whiskey thats older than me
642 2011-02-09 03:55:15 <dirtyfilthy> my friends dad did that for him
643 2011-02-09 03:55:20 <dirtyfilthy> fuck it was good
644 2011-02-09 03:55:23 <afed> that's awesome though
645 2011-02-09 03:55:33 <afed> i'm really a beer  guy though, i wish my parents had put away beer
646 2011-02-09 03:55:44 <dirtyfilthy> don't know how well beer ages
647 2011-02-09 03:55:49 <dirtyfilthy> :)
648 2011-02-09 03:55:57 <afed> if it's intended to condition in the bottle
649 2011-02-09 03:55:59 <newsham> beers great too, but you'll prob prefer whiskey when you're 70 :)
650 2011-02-09 03:56:01 <luke-jr> can't miss what you've never had
651 2011-02-09 03:56:04 <newsham> also you dont need to age it
652 2011-02-09 03:58:26 <newsham> beer's best conditioned in my gutr
653 2011-02-09 03:58:27 <newsham> gut
654 2011-02-09 04:07:43 <poseidon> newsham: I prefer bourbon & wiskey and I'm 19
655 2011-02-09 04:08:45 <poseidon> However I generally drink natural light because it's so cheap and I'm in college so it's more abundant than water
656 2011-02-09 04:15:29 <afed> yay college
657 2011-02-09 04:16:17 <Kiba> noagendamarket make weak arguments :*(
658 2011-02-09 04:16:47 <noagendamarket> Kiba what weak arguments ?
659 2011-02-09 04:17:43 <Kiba> you made arguments that make it easy for gene to attack you
660 2011-02-09 04:17:48 <Kiba> they're a bunch of strawmen though
661 2011-02-09 04:18:10 <Kiba> this gene guy...seriously sucks
662 2011-02-09 04:18:24 <Kiba> he doesn't have an once of argument left to defend "democracy"
663 2011-02-09 04:18:27 <ducki2p> where is this inside baseball happening?
664 2011-02-09 04:18:55 <Kiba> most arguments failed automatically because they do not understood libertarianism :/
665 2011-02-09 04:19:48 <afed> heh
666 2011-02-09 04:19:58 <afed> more like understand liberarianism better than libs do
667 2011-02-09 04:20:22 <Kiba> about us being ubermensch ;)
668 2011-02-09 04:20:55 <Kiba> we want to be rich, healthy, strong, immortal! Well, at least I do.
669 2011-02-09 04:21:45 <Kiba> You know
670 2011-02-09 04:21:46 <Kiba> I bet
671 2011-02-09 04:21:53 <Kiba> most of the political conflicts in humanity
672 2011-02-09 04:22:00 <Kiba> is actually the result of differing moral perspectives
673 2011-02-09 04:22:31 <Kiba> sure, there's lot of greedy and evil people
674 2011-02-09 04:22:40 <Kiba> but no doubt some of them are true idealogue
675 2011-02-09 04:24:29 <noagendamarket> Kiba you assume i care what gene thinks
676 2011-02-09 04:24:39 <noagendamarket> thus Im not arguing lol
677 2011-02-09 04:24:58 <Kiba> meh. gene doesn't care about understanding anything
678 2011-02-09 04:25:59 <Kiba> he's just defending democracy because he like it
679 2011-02-09 04:26:14 <noagendamarket> well he will leave like all the other socialists trolls do
680 2011-02-09 04:26:28 <Kiba> death by argumentation exhaustion
681 2011-02-09 04:27:06 <Kiba> noagendamarket: I don't think he will leave
682 2011-02-09 04:27:27 <Kiba> Bablyon is interesting but he refuse to discuss ethical problems...
683 2011-02-09 04:28:10 <soultcer> noagendamarket: What makes you think that people who prefer socialism are trolls?
684 2011-02-09 04:28:30 <soultcer> Just because you think that free market capitalism or whatever else you prefer is the best, it doesn't mean that others think alike.
685 2011-02-09 04:29:16 <noagendamarket> soultcer in this context they are
686 2011-02-09 04:30:06 <afed> if you are overly concerned with what you think rather than reality, you won't make a lot of money
687 2011-02-09 04:30:18 <Kiba> most people can't help argue against each other
688 2011-02-09 04:30:45 <afed> how things actually are is what's important
689 2011-02-09 04:30:56 <Kiba> afed: sure is.
690 2011-02-09 04:31:01 <noagendamarket> people can be anything as long as they voluntarily agree to it
691 2011-02-09 04:31:05 <noagendamarket> whether that is a sweatshop worker or a communist
692 2011-02-09 04:31:09 <Kiba> but gene is not giving me any reason to change my mind
693 2011-02-09 04:31:10 <noagendamarket> its called cognitive dissonance
694 2011-02-09 04:31:14 <afed> you're both equally screwed up, i expect
695 2011-02-09 04:31:17 <Kiba> we all suffers congnitive dissonance
696 2011-02-09 04:31:20 <Kiba> but I suffer no congnitive dissoance when exposed to socialism...because they're boring
697 2011-02-09 04:33:53 <presence> ;bc,calc 600000
698 2011-02-09 04:33:59 <presence> ;;bc,calc 600000
699 2011-02-09 04:34:03 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 600000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 2 days, 3 hours, 41 minutes, and 40 seconds
700 2011-02-09 04:34:36 <afed> ;;bc,calc 1320000
701 2011-02-09 04:34:51 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1320000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 23 hours, 29 minutes, and 50 seconds
702 2011-02-09 04:35:08 <Kiba> ok...what is exactly the biggest source of congnition dissoance in my life today?
703 2011-02-09 04:36:41 <Kiba> let see: 1. Fear of copyright people being true. 2. A confident socialist named gene.
704 2011-02-09 04:36:55 <Kiba> #1 is being reality-tested
705 2011-02-09 04:37:07 <Kiba> #2 have no fang beyond the initial assertion
706 2011-02-09 04:38:34 <afed> are you drunk
707 2011-02-09 04:38:56 <Kiba> afed: drunk what?
708 2011-02-09 04:39:36 <Kiba> I am ready to shed libertarianism if I see a way out of it. I don't. So it's just a useful ethical philosophy that I like a lot.
709 2011-02-09 04:41:24 <afed> it's not an ethical philosophy
710 2011-02-09 04:41:26 <midnightmagic_> ;;bc,stats
711 2011-02-09 04:41:30 <gribble> Current Blocks: 107023 | Current Difficulty: 25997.87992881 | Next Difficulty At Block: 108863 | Next Difficulty In: 1840 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 19 hours, 8 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 30937.52393300
712 2011-02-09 04:41:32 <afed> boo
713 2011-02-09 04:41:35 <afed> is that diff going down
714 2011-02-09 04:41:42 <Kiba> afed: well, it is to me.
715 2011-02-09 04:41:44 <afed> people who aren't me need to quit buying GPUs
716 2011-02-09 04:41:45 <midnightmagic_> i hope so
717 2011-02-09 04:41:54 <afed> and turn off the GPUs they do own
718 2011-02-09 04:42:43 <midnightmagic_> kiba: free yourself from labels.
719 2011-02-09 04:43:01 <Kiba> once you buy in one part, you tend to buy in all
720 2011-02-09 04:43:28 <Kiba> midnightmagic_: nope, still do not see why I should abandon a program that's been useful so far.
721 2011-02-09 04:43:55 <midnightmagic_> poseidon: not for really big amounts at the moment; plus, transaction history is available, and anyone not completely up on what they're doing is going to have a devil of a time slowly converting to/from the bitcoin network..
722 2011-02-09 04:44:19 <lfm> one thing that would encourage people to quit mining was if the price of btc crashed
723 2011-02-09 04:44:26 <afed> hah
724 2011-02-09 04:44:28 <afed> i'll mine harder
725 2011-02-09 04:44:29 <midnightmagic_> Kiba: the label as defined almost certainly doesn't define your philosophy perfectly. why limit yourself by letting others pigeonhole you?
726 2011-02-09 04:44:37 <afed> price crash will crash difficulty
727 2011-02-09 04:44:50 <Kiba> midnightmagic_: umm..it does?
728 2011-02-09 04:46:06 <lfm> afed eventually
729 2011-02-09 04:46:38 <poseidon> how long does it generally take to get a bitcoin when mining?
730 2011-02-09 04:46:42 <Kiba> we don't know if it will crash or not...........
731 2011-02-09 04:47:25 <afed> poseidon: you can use the bot to determine how long
732 2011-02-09 04:47:47 <lfm> poseidon: whats your khash/s?
733 2011-02-09 04:48:05 <poseidon> ~2k
734 2011-02-09 04:48:18 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 2000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 1 year, 40 weeks, 1 day, 4 hours, 20 minutes, and 22 seconds
735 2011-02-09 04:48:18 <lfm> ;;bc,calc 2000
736 2011-02-09 04:48:38 <poseidon> lol
737 2011-02-09 04:49:06 <lfm> poseidon: thats why people mostly talk about gpu for mining
738 2011-02-09 04:49:28 <poseidon> what does gpu get around for khash/s?
739 2011-02-09 04:49:56 <lfm> poseidon: my radeon 5770 gets about 157000 khash/s
740 2011-02-09 04:51:44 <joe_1> i'm getting about 963 khash/s
741 2011-02-09 04:52:07 <poseidon> lfm: how can I set it up to use my gpu?
742 2011-02-09 04:52:27 <lfm> poseidon: an alternative is to join a pool. that speads out the 50btc per year so you might get 1 btc per week
743 2011-02-09 04:52:40 <lfm> spreads
744 2011-02-09 04:52:53 <lfm> poseidon: what model gpu is it?
745 2011-02-09 04:53:49 <poseidon> nvidia 260 gtx
746 2011-02-09 04:54:34 <lfm> ok you want a cuda miner then. check the forums
747 2011-02-09 04:54:57 <poseidon> does this look right?  http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=41392
748 2011-02-09 04:55:44 <lfm> poseidon: the gtx260 should get about 35000 khash/s
749 2011-02-09 04:56:22 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 35000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 5 weeks, 1 day, 22 hours, 11 minutes, and 26 seconds
750 2011-02-09 04:56:22 <poseidon> ;;bc,calc 35000
751 2011-02-09 04:56:35 <poseidon> ;;bc,calc 157000
752 2011-02-09 04:56:36 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 157000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 1 week, 1 day, 5 hours, 33 minutes, and 30 seconds
753 2011-02-09 04:58:05 <lfm> poseidon: I cant tell exactly what that link is, it looks like it might be right but I never used archl;inux
754 2011-02-09 04:58:25 <[Noodles]> gtx260 gets <45Mhash/s depending on your clockspeed
755 2011-02-09 04:58:49 <lfm> close enuf
756 2011-02-09 04:58:53 <[Noodles]> at least mine did
757 2011-02-09 04:59:24 <lfm> could be I was just quoting the wiki
758 2011-02-09 05:00:06 <[Noodles]> yeah, 35M at stock clock sounds right
759 2011-02-09 05:00:39 <Kiba> so
760 2011-02-09 05:00:51 <Kiba> anybody read the new magazine yet?
761 2011-02-09 05:01:08 <[Noodles]> i first replaced it by a HD5570 which gets <65M but only needs 50W
762 2011-02-09 05:01:12 <[Noodles]> and then i replaced that 5570 by a 5970 ^.^
763 2011-02-09 05:03:49 <poseidon> I wonder how many khash/s I would get if I used 600 of these http://pastebin.com/ZRf3ME8g
764 2011-02-09 05:04:14 <luke-jr> poseidon: are you trying to waste money?
765 2011-02-09 05:04:33 <poseidon> luke-jr: how would I be wasting money?
766 2011-02-09 05:04:38 <luke-jr> poseidon: CPU mining earns less bitcoin than its equivalent cost in power
767 2011-02-09 05:05:02 <poseidon> well I wouldn't be paying for power.  I would be using my university research cluster :)
768 2011-02-09 05:05:12 <luke-jr> that is, you might make $5 for every $8 in power you could have saved letting the CPU idle
769 2011-02-09 05:05:14 <luke-jr> haha
770 2011-02-09 05:05:39 <poseidon> they are charging me a shit ton for tuition anyways
771 2011-02-09 05:06:04 <[Noodles]> yeah and that's why
772 2011-02-09 05:06:22 <lfm> poseidon: good luck with that, youll prolly get stomped on
773 2011-02-09 05:06:55 <[Noodles]> can't steal stuff and complain about it getting more expensive
774 2011-02-09 05:07:11 <[Noodles]> someone has to cover the costs
775 2011-02-09 05:07:36 <poseidon> yes, but the stolen expense would be distributed amongst 30k+ people.  All profit would go to me
776 2011-02-09 05:08:03 <poseidon> anyways, not going to do it anyways.  I would get yelled at during the next LUG meeting by the guy who runs the cluster
777 2011-02-09 05:08:24 <joe_1> i would say do it.
778 2011-02-09 05:08:45 <joe_1> is the guy a student or a faculty
779 2011-02-09 05:08:57 <joe_1> rename bitcoin to forktest or something
780 2011-02-09 05:09:09 <poseidon> faculty
781 2011-02-09 05:09:18 <[Noodles]> better get some decent GPUs hooked up to that cluster, even more profit for you
782 2011-02-09 05:09:38 <devon_hillard> block found with 3 shares, damn: 2011-02-08 21:53:15
783 2011-02-09 05:10:08 <[Noodles]> i found 2 in about 3hours, yay!
784 2011-02-09 05:10:31 <luke-jr> still not a single block for me :<
785 2011-02-09 05:10:40 <[Noodles]> + my bitpennys
786 2011-02-09 05:10:50 <[Noodles]> been a good day
787 2011-02-09 05:11:10 <poseidon> so how do I join a pool?
788 2011-02-09 05:11:37 <poseidon> oh, nm
789 2011-02-09 05:11:53 <poseidon> google was more helpful than I thought
790 2011-02-09 05:12:44 <[Noodles]> well, actually there is only 1 public pool so far afaik
791 2011-02-09 05:13:05 <luke-jr> at least 2
792 2011-02-09 05:13:09 <luke-jr> I think 3 or 4
793 2011-02-09 05:13:23 <[Noodles]> bitpenny isnt a pool
794 2011-02-09 05:13:27 <luke-jr> yes it is
795 2011-02-09 05:13:30 <[Noodles]> and what's the 3+4?
796 2011-02-09 05:13:35 <[Noodles]> no its not
797 2011-02-09 05:13:43 <luke-jr> if I knew, I wouldn't be uncertain
798 2011-02-09 05:13:45 <[Noodles]> in a pool, someone has to find a block to get me coins
799 2011-02-09 05:13:55 <luke-jr> so now you're redefining pool
800 2011-02-09 05:13:55 <[Noodles]> not at bitpenny
801 2011-02-09 05:14:15 <[Noodles]> not really
802 2011-02-09 05:14:18 <joe_1> LobsterMan
803 2011-02-09 05:14:27 <OneFixt> [Noodles] what do you think I should call it, it's not a "pool" like you said
804 2011-02-09 05:14:41 <lfm> thats just one definition, there are others
805 2011-02-09 05:14:43 <OneFixt> most people might not care, but technically there's a difference
806 2011-02-09 05:14:49 <[Noodles]> but at bitpenny, i actually don't even care what i'm hashing for
807 2011-02-09 05:15:02 <[Noodles]> if it's for bitcoin-blocks or anything else
808 2011-02-09 05:15:11 <[Noodles]> i get paid either way
809 2011-02-09 05:15:17 <OneFixt> you can also be the only person hashing, at a slow speed, and not have to wait for the block to be found
810 2011-02-09 05:15:20 <luke-jr> there are different kinds of pools
811 2011-02-09 05:15:33 <OneFixt> so for now I call it an 'instant-payout pool'
812 2011-02-09 05:16:21 <lfm> if a pool is just a system for spreading the risk, difficulkty and reward around a set of minres then they are all pools
813 2011-02-09 05:16:59 <OneFixt> yes, pretty much. the difference here is that the risk is entirely on the server and the miners don't care about each other
814 2011-02-09 05:17:19 <luke-jr> a pool is multiple people *pool*ing their resources toward a single node
815 2011-02-09 05:17:25 <[Noodles]> that's the point, there is no risk on bitpenny + there is no reward-spread
816 2011-02-09 05:17:41 <lfm> the reward is spread statisticly
817 2011-02-09 05:17:58 <luke-jr> bitpenny can be gamed ;)
818 2011-02-09 05:18:06 <lfm> spread even more evenly than other pools
819 2011-02-09 05:18:20 <OneFixt> well, you don't compete with any other miners, the reward is based only on your own work
820 2011-02-09 05:18:55 <OneFixt> luke-jr: it can't really be gained to any advantage
821 2011-02-09 05:19:17 <OneFixt> gamed*
822 2011-02-09 05:19:20 <[Noodles]> whatever it's called, the more i think about and use it, the more i like it
823 2011-02-09 05:19:22 <OneFixt> it's a lot more relaxing, isn't it?
824 2011-02-09 05:19:23 <[Noodles]> yeah
825 2011-02-09 05:19:25 <luke-jr> OneFixt: I think it can, if you released the algorithms
826 2011-02-09 05:20:04 <luke-jr> tbh, I see no real difference between bitpenny and slush's pool
827 2011-02-09 05:20:22 <luke-jr> except that bitpenny pays out 70%
828 2011-02-09 05:20:31 <luke-jr> and slush's only 50%
829 2011-02-09 05:20:33 <[Noodles]> untrue
830 2011-02-09 05:20:46 <luke-jr> in my experience
831 2011-02-09 05:21:11 <OneFixt> your 5-minute statistics =)
832 2011-02-09 05:21:33 <luke-jr> slush's statistic was a day :P
833 2011-02-09 05:21:40 <OneFixt> no pressure, don't use it, mine on your own
834 2011-02-09 05:21:45 <[Noodles]> 20hours-> 87.2%
835 2011-02-09 05:21:59 <[Noodles]> at ~295Mhash/s
836 2011-02-09 05:22:16 <luke-jr> on the other hand, self-mining has gotten me 0%
837 2011-02-09 05:22:26 <OneFixt> yep, exactly =)
838 2011-02-09 05:22:33 <luke-jr> and that's a 5 day statistic now
839 2011-02-09 05:22:46 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 265000
840 2011-02-09 05:22:48 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 265000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 4 days, 21 hours, 2 minutes, and 38 seconds
841 2011-02-09 05:22:51 <OneFixt> i'm not trying to rip anyone off here, sometimes it's much more profitable to get nearly 90% FOR SURE than to try to get 100% and fail
842 2011-02-09 05:22:58 <OneFixt> especially if prices are high and you want to sell while they're high
843 2011-02-09 05:23:16 <luke-jr> so at this point, the best it will get is like 88%
844 2011-02-09 05:23:29 <OneFixt> yes, 90% plus your network overhead
845 2011-02-09 05:23:32 <OneFixt> err, minus
846 2011-02-09 05:23:38 <OneFixt> but that's also the worst that it'll get
847 2011-02-09 05:23:45 <luke-jr> no, I mean self-mining
848 2011-02-09 05:24:04 <luke-jr> if I found my first block right now, I'd get 88% of what I "should"
849 2011-02-09 05:24:14 <OneFixt> right, and then you never know what happens next
850 2011-02-09 05:24:24 <OneFixt> you're already no better off than at bitpenny, apparently
851 2011-02-09 05:24:31 <luke-jr> :p
852 2011-02-09 05:24:38 <luke-jr> I should get 10 blocks tonight ;)
853 2011-02-09 05:24:53 <OneFixt> if only it worked that way, i'd be betting on roulette right now =D
854 2011-02-09 05:25:00 <[Noodles]> might take another 4days from now
855 2011-02-09 05:25:14 <[Noodles]> to get a single one, not 10 ^.^
856 2011-02-09 05:25:17 <luke-jr> but SHA256 isn't secure.
857 2011-02-09 05:25:27 <luke-jr> well, it is, but not 100%
858 2011-02-09 05:25:38 <luke-jr> because random doesn't exist really
859 2011-02-09 05:25:46 <OneFixt> yes, but it's irrelevant in this case
860 2011-02-09 05:25:50 <luke-jr> night
861 2011-02-09 05:26:10 <OneFixt> cya
862 2011-02-09 05:26:57 <Ljrn900> k back
863 2011-02-09 05:27:00 <Ljrn900> in bed
864 2011-02-09 05:27:42 <Syke> My DiabloMiner isn't going full speed. One of my cards keeps down-clocking.
865 2011-02-09 05:27:46 <Ljrn900> OneFixt, the relevance is that what we consider random may in fact be God's will and therefore prayer may help ;p
866 2011-02-09 05:28:16 <lfm> Ljrn900: that soulds like the basis for a new pool
867 2011-02-09 05:28:50 <Kiba> so
868 2011-02-09 05:28:52 <Kiba> folks
869 2011-02-09 05:29:03 <Kiba> read The Bitcoin Weekly yet?
870 2011-02-09 05:29:09 <OneFixt> Ljrn900: if you are referring to micro-psychokinesis, then yes
871 2011-02-09 05:29:51 <Ljrn900> OneFixt, I am not God
872 2011-02-09 05:29:59 <Ljrn900> Kiba, ton of typos
873 2011-02-09 05:30:04 <OneFixt> you don't have to be
874 2011-02-09 05:30:15 <Kiba> Ljrn900: in my story?
875 2011-02-09 05:30:20 <OneFixt> prayer can actually help, but that's one long discussion for a different forum
876 2011-02-09 05:30:27 <Ljrn900> Kiba, yes
877 2011-02-09 05:30:32 <Kiba> :(
878 2011-02-09 05:30:43 <Ljrn900> scroll up
879 2011-02-09 05:30:56 <Ljrn900> Kiba, hiring a proofreader?
880 2011-02-09 05:31:04 <Kiba> scroll where?
881 2011-02-09 05:31:15 <Ljrn900> way up in the channel
882 2011-02-09 05:31:26 <Ljrn900> where I commented
883 2011-02-09 05:31:32 <Ljrn900> lots of *s
884 2011-02-09 05:32:09 <Kiba> lot of missing s?
885 2011-02-09 05:32:25 <Ljrn900> no
886 2011-02-09 05:32:39 <Ljrn900> * characters, in my critique
887 2011-02-09 05:32:49 <Kiba> characters?
888 2011-02-09 05:32:58 <Ljrn900> '*'
889 2011-02-09 05:33:20 <Ljrn900> char a = '*';
890 2011-02-09 05:33:35 <Ljrn900> find a in your scrollback
891 2011-02-09 05:33:48 <Ljrn900> understand now???
892 2011-02-09 05:33:52 <Kiba> Nope.
893 2011-02-09 05:33:58 <Kiba> I dont' see your name anywhere
894 2011-02-09 05:34:15 <Ljrn900> luke-jr
895 2011-02-09 05:34:56 <Kiba> where did you type critque?
896 2011-02-09 05:35:12 <Ljrn900> on this channel
897 2011-02-09 05:35:29 <Kiba> I don't see anything
898 2011-02-09 05:35:33 <Ljrn900> immediately after you linked it last
899 2011-02-09 05:36:16 <Kiba> I see
900 2011-02-09 05:40:52 <Ljrn900> finally
901 2011-02-09 05:41:37 <Ljrn900> Kiba, anyhow if you're hiring a proofreader maybe my wife might be interested
902 2011-02-09 05:41:58 <Kiba> I proof read two times :/
903 2011-02-09 05:42:06 <Ljrn900> lol?
904 2011-02-09 05:42:24 <Ljrn900> she studied English in college :p
905 2011-02-09 05:42:37 <Kiba> that's not the point. I sucks at spelling
906 2011-02-09 05:42:52 <Ljrn900> she doesn't
907 2011-02-09 05:43:25 <Ljrn900> neither do i, but you can't afford me :P
908 2011-02-09 05:43:45 <Kiba> Ljrn900: I have no intention of relying on proof reader to check my spelling...I'll insitute a program of learning my spelling
909 2011-02-09 05:44:06 <Ljrn900> insitute is not a word
910 2011-02-09 05:44:43 <Ljrn900> XD
911 2011-02-09 05:46:18 <Ljrn900> going to sleep now ttyl
912 2011-02-09 05:50:50 <poseidon> ;;bc,7138070
913 2011-02-09 05:50:53 <gribble> Error: "bc,7138070" is not a valid command.
914 2011-02-09 05:51:16 <poseidon> ;;bc,calc 7138070
915 2011-02-09 05:51:37 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
916 2011-02-09 05:52:05 <poseidon> ;;bc,calc 7138070
917 2011-02-09 05:52:24 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 7138070 Khps, given current difficulty of timed out , is 4 hours, 20 minutes, and 42 seconds
918 2011-02-09 06:11:54 <Mango-chan> hi
919 2011-02-09 06:12:23 <Mango-chan> anyone -v-
920 2011-02-09 06:12:41 <lfm> hi
921 2011-02-09 06:13:03 <Mango-chan> anyone using pooled mining?
922 2011-02-09 06:13:18 <[Noodles]> more or less
923 2011-02-09 06:13:27 <lfm> I am not but I might be able to answer questions anyway
924 2011-02-09 06:14:14 <Mango-chan> let's say i'm on the "i don't really understand side" of the spectrum of the whole economics
925 2011-02-09 06:14:20 <Mango-chan> at the current rate of growth
926 2011-02-09 06:14:49 <Mango-chan> using pooled mining, the payout btc/share will decrease?
927 2011-02-09 06:14:54 <Mango-chan> over time that is
928 2011-02-09 06:15:19 <lfm> if the difficulty keeps increasing, ya
929 2011-02-09 06:15:31 <Mango-chan> but
930 2011-02-09 06:15:38 <[Noodles]> btc/share yes
931 2011-02-09 06:15:45 <Mango-chan> even if we assume userbase growth?
932 2011-02-09 06:15:58 <Mango-chan> for that specific pool
933 2011-02-09 06:15:59 <lfm> ya
934 2011-02-09 06:16:02 <[Noodles]> difficulty doesnt matter, it's number of other swimmers that counts for btc/share
935 2011-02-09 06:16:14 <Mango-chan> well
936 2011-02-09 06:16:16 <Mango-chan> let's say btc/hour
937 2011-02-09 06:16:22 <Mango-chan> i guess share isn't a good way to put it
938 2011-02-09 06:16:27 <lfm> difficulty matter for how often blocks are found and pay out
939 2011-02-09 06:16:39 <[Noodles]> btc/hr or /day should stay the same for 2016blocks
940 2011-02-09 06:16:51 <Mango-chan> say i'm using mining.bitcoin.cz
941 2011-02-09 06:17:22 <lfm> ok
942 2011-02-09 06:17:35 <Mango-chan> if i put in one hour of work
943 2011-02-09 06:17:38 <Mango-chan> to mine
944 2011-02-09 06:17:39 <lfm> we mostly call it slush's pool
945 2011-02-09 06:17:41 <Mango-chan> oh
946 2011-02-09 06:17:42 <Mango-chan> ok
947 2011-02-09 06:18:03 <Mango-chan> if i put in one hour's of work today, let's say i get 1btc
948 2011-02-09 06:18:08 <Mango-chan> in a months time
949 2011-02-09 06:18:16 <Mango-chan> i would get less right?
950 2011-02-09 06:18:30 <OneFixt> you'll get less whenever difficulty goes up
951 2011-02-09 06:18:33 <lfm> assuming the difficulty went up you prolly get less ya
952 2011-02-09 06:19:01 <Mango-chan> what is the rate of the difficulty growth rate
953 2011-02-09 06:19:03 <[Noodles]> that's not limited to pooled mining though, it's the same when mining on your own
954 2011-02-09 06:19:05 <Mango-chan> and the appreciation of bitcoins
955 2011-02-09 06:19:18 <lfm> ;;bc,stats
956 2011-02-09 06:19:20 <gribble> Current Blocks: 107031 | Current Difficulty: 25997.87992881 | Next Difficulty At Block: 108863 | Next Difficulty In: 1832 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 23 hours, 36 minutes, and 16 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 30270.94176851
957 2011-02-09 06:19:22 <Mango-chan> which is faster going
958 2011-02-09 06:19:43 <[Noodles]> for faster payouts, the pool
959 2011-02-09 06:19:44 <lfm> it varies
960 2011-02-09 06:20:20 <Mango-chan> has anyone mined with a pool for long amounts of time
961 2011-02-09 06:20:36 <[Noodles]> but your overall-earnings are equal, or should be (- network overhead)
962 2011-02-09 06:20:43 <Mango-chan> willing to share data etc?
963 2011-02-09 06:20:49 <[Noodles]> few weeks, yes, actually since it started
964 2011-02-09 06:21:13 <Mango-chan> continuously?
965 2011-02-09 06:21:17 <lfm> the exchange rate on mtgox for instance tends to go up in spurts within a single day or two
966 2011-02-09 06:21:55 <[Noodles]> more or less continuously, but i'm not on it right now, stopped a few days ago
967 2011-02-09 06:22:02 <Mango-chan> oh
968 2011-02-09 06:22:16 <Mango-chan> are you willing to share your payout rate graph on the site? -3-;
969 2011-02-09 06:22:31 <Mango-chan> or even just numbers is fine
970 2011-02-09 06:23:03 <Mango-chan> has it been equal over the weeks