1 2011-02-10 00:00:00 <ArtForz> well, a bit more for pooled mining
  2 2011-02-10 00:00:38 <slush> Mango-chan: so depends on your miner and used hardware, but it is probably 1 request / 5 sec
  3 2011-02-10 00:00:43 <slush> Mango-chan: every request is typically <1kB
  4 2011-02-10 00:00:51 <Mango-chan> ah
  5 2011-02-10 00:00:56 <Mango-chan> that's good
  6 2011-02-10 00:00:57 <ArtForz> yea
  7 2011-02-10 00:01:02 <Mango-chan> i have a 12gb internet cap
  8 2011-02-10 00:01:08 <Mango-chan> per week
  9 2011-02-10 00:01:10 <Mango-chan> well for the time being
 10 2011-02-10 00:01:11 <Mango-chan> well i'm running 2 6950s
 11 2011-02-10 00:01:11 <slush> if you have extremely strong mining rig, it is something like 10 requests/5 sec
 12 2011-02-10 00:01:12 <slush> 12gb/week is far enough for you
 13 2011-02-10 00:01:18 <Mango-chan> no i have to do other things
 14 2011-02-10 00:01:20 <Mango-chan> lol
 15 2011-02-10 00:01:29 <Mango-chan> not just using this for mining ;_;
 16 2011-02-10 00:01:53 <slush> Mango-chan: average user use 50MB daily
 17 2011-02-10 00:01:57 <slush> on pool
 18 2011-02-10 00:02:07 <Mango-chan> all right
 19 2011-02-10 00:02:09 <Mango-chan> that's fine with me
 20 2011-02-10 00:02:21 <Mango-chan> also
 21 2011-02-10 00:02:25 <Mango-chan> if i don't want to redownload the block counts
 22 2011-02-10 00:02:39 <Mango-chan> can i just copy over the bitcoin directory in user settings
 23 2011-02-10 00:02:48 <slush> yes
 24 2011-02-10 00:03:02 <slush> but take care about wallet.dat
 25 2011-02-10 00:03:05 <slush> it's your money :)
 26 2011-02-10 00:15:19 <llama> ;bc
 27 2011-02-10 00:15:21 <Mango-chan> what's the current block count
 28 2011-02-10 00:15:27 <llama> ;bc
 29 2011-02-10 00:15:41 <gribble> Error: "bc" is not a valid command.
 30 2011-02-10 00:15:41 <llama> ;;bc
 31 2011-02-10 00:15:46 <gribble> Error: "blockcount" is not a valid command.
 32 2011-02-10 00:15:46 <llama> ;;blockcount
 33 2011-02-10 00:16:37 <llama> Mango-chan: idk ;)
 34 2011-02-10 00:16:43 <Mango-chan> slush
 35 2011-02-10 00:16:46 <Mango-chan> Score <- what's this?
 36 2011-02-10 00:17:00 <slush> weighted shares
 37 2011-02-10 00:17:06 <slush> I'll introduce it tomorrow
 38 2011-02-10 00:17:32 <slush> doesn't affect anything right now
 39 2011-02-10 00:19:44 <molecular> ;;bc,diff
 40 2011-02-10 00:19:45 <gribble> 25997.87992881
 41 2011-02-10 00:20:41 <xelister> where is graph of current diff?
 42 2011-02-10 00:21:22 <Mango-chan> also uhh slush
 43 2011-02-10 00:21:25 <Mango-chan> or
 44 2011-02-10 00:21:27 <Mango-chan> anyone
 45 2011-02-10 00:21:33 <Mango-chan> does anyone own a 6950
 46 2011-02-10 00:22:47 <Mango-chan> and is it possible to limit usage to only like
 47 2011-02-10 00:22:50 <Mango-chan> 90% gpu
 48 2011-02-10 00:22:51 <Mango-chan> -3-
 49 2011-02-10 00:23:30 <Gyjf_> hey, just found out about bitcoin, seems awesome, just got some questions
 50 2011-02-10 00:23:55 <prax> sup
 51 2011-02-10 00:24:04 <Gyjf_> were can i see the khps? and can i use my gpu to generate coins?
 52 2011-02-10 00:24:25 <Gyjf_> sorry about that, ill read the topic next time
 53 2011-02-10 00:24:30 <prax> khps should show on your basic client
 54 2011-02-10 00:24:44 <Mango-chan> yes you can use your gpu
 55 2011-02-10 00:24:55 <prax> yup, i just dont know a lot about mining
 56 2011-02-10 00:24:57 <Mango-chan> http://i.imgur.com/Zihb5.jpg <- like this
 57 2011-02-10 00:25:10 <prax> people will maybe link you to the miners/advise u
 58 2011-02-10 00:25:16 <prax> or look in mining section of forum
 59 2011-02-10 00:25:39 <slush> Mango-chan: play with -f parameter of your miner
 60 2011-02-10 00:25:40 <gyjf__> sorry about that can you relink?
 61 2011-02-10 00:25:56 <andrew12> haha jgarzik: fprintf(stderr, "all threads dead, fred. exiting.\n");
 62 2011-02-10 00:26:01 <slush> Mango-chan: Higher -f means lower computer load
 63 2011-02-10 00:26:22 <Mango-chan> i see
 64 2011-02-10 00:27:28 <gyjf__> where do i download the gpu client? and is it only for linux?
 65 2011-02-10 00:28:21 <tcatm> gyjf__: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?board=14.0
 66 2011-02-10 00:28:52 <gyjf__> thank you
 67 2011-02-10 00:40:05 <genjix> anyone know how to get the transaction dates from bitcoind?
 68 2011-02-10 00:40:24 <Mango-chan> lol
 69 2011-02-10 00:40:30 <tcatm> genjix: listtransactions?
 70 2011-02-10 00:40:38 <Mango-chan> had to disable
 71 2011-02-10 00:40:43 <Mango-chan> flash gpu acceleration
 72 2011-02-10 00:40:44 <Mango-chan> -3-
 73 2011-02-10 00:40:53 <genjix> tcatm: doesn't say it in 0.3.19 beta
 74 2011-02-10 00:41:02 <tcatm> hm
 75 2011-02-10 00:41:14 <tcatm> it's in .20
 76 2011-02-10 00:41:15 <genjix> Mango-chan: i agree that was a hilarious joke told my andrew12 :)
 77 2011-02-10 00:41:21 <genjix> tcatm: ok thanks
 78 2011-02-10 00:41:25 <Mango-chan> genjix what
 79 2011-02-10 00:41:27 <genjix> (will upgrade)
 80 2011-02-10 00:41:28 <tcatm> we really need to get .20 released
 81 2011-02-10 00:41:34 <andrew12> do it! lol
 82 2011-02-10 00:42:11 <genjix> gavin linked it above but i didn't get around to testing it :p
 83 2011-02-10 00:42:48 <genjix> http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.3.20/bitcoin-0.3.20-linux.tar.gz/download
 84 2011-02-10 00:42:55 <genjix> if anyone wants to help beta test :)
 85 2011-02-10 00:43:03 <Mango-chan> slush
 86 2011-02-10 00:43:06 <Mango-chan> could you explain the scores thing?
 87 2011-02-10 00:43:13 <slush> tomorrow
 88 2011-02-10 00:44:02 <slush> in short:
 89 2011-02-10 00:44:03 <slush> score += exp(round_time/C) for every new share
 90 2011-02-10 00:44:04 <Mango-chan> ah ok
 91 2011-02-10 00:44:11 <Mango-chan> what's the point of it
 92 2011-02-10 00:44:13 <Mango-chan> epeen
 93 2011-02-10 00:44:14 <Mango-chan> ?
 94 2011-02-10 00:44:19 <slush> where C is some constant, for example 300 for 5 minute
 95 2011-02-10 00:44:54 <slush> epeen?
 96 2011-02-10 00:45:01 <Mango-chan> epenis
 97 2011-02-10 00:45:11 <slush> e penis?
 98 2011-02-10 00:45:24 <Mango-chan> something to brag about
 99 2011-02-10 00:45:27 <Mango-chan> but nothing of useful value
100 2011-02-10 00:45:31 <Mango-chan> -useful
101 2011-02-10 00:46:24 <slush> well, it's core of new accounting, which will be enabled in few days
102 2011-02-10 00:46:35 <slush> user reward = score / total score
103 2011-02-10 00:46:50 <slush> instead of shares / total shares
104 2011-02-10 00:46:54 <Mango-chan> oh
105 2011-02-10 00:46:58 <slush> both * 50 BTC, of course
106 2011-02-10 00:47:06 <Mango-chan> what's the motive behind change?
107 2011-02-10 00:47:11 <Mango-chan> is it more accurate?
108 2011-02-10 00:47:22 <Mango-chan> does it help certain users?
109 2011-02-10 00:47:27 <slush> in fact, it is less acurate
110 2011-02-10 00:47:34 <Mango-chan> then... why the change?
111 2011-02-10 00:47:35 <slush> there's more variability than share based accounting
112 2011-02-10 00:48:04 <slush> Mango-chan: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3165.0
113 2011-02-10 00:48:30 <slush> anti-cheating solution
114 2011-02-10 00:49:20 <slush> At this time, I'm using score for internal purposes and for fitting correct value of C
115 2011-02-10 00:49:28 <Kiba> 1 USD is worth .98 USD :D
116 2011-02-10 00:49:33 <Kiba> err
117 2011-02-10 00:49:36 <Kiba> .98 BTC
118 2011-02-10 00:49:56 <slush> there will be some variability in rewards between rounds, but should not affect daily reward too much.
119 2011-02-10 00:50:03 <Kiba> 1 gram of gold is worth 50 BTC
120 2011-02-10 00:50:18 <Mango-chan> i see
121 2011-02-10 00:53:30 <andrew12> hh
122 2011-02-10 01:20:14 <xelister> BTC is flying higher then rms while planning gnu hurd.
123 2011-02-10 01:22:06 <da2ce7> ;;bc,mtgox
124 2011-02-10 01:22:07 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.09,"low":0.82,"vol":49767,"buy":1.0497,"sell":1.0575,"last":1.0878}}
125 2011-02-10 01:22:18 <da2ce7> ooh the $1 is well cleared
126 2011-02-10 01:23:51 <noagendamarket> resistance is futile
127 2011-02-10 01:24:43 <da2ce7> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3284.msg46195#msg46195 rofl
128 2011-02-10 01:26:21 <andrew12> huhl
129 2011-02-10 01:27:03 <noagendamarket> maybe steve is buying all the coins lol
130 2011-02-10 01:28:05 <andrew12> lol
131 2011-02-10 01:28:18 <andrew12> heh
132 2011-02-10 01:28:29 <andrew12> anyone else noticed that #bitcoin-dev and #bitcoin-otc have been reversed today?
133 2011-02-10 01:38:34 <Kiba> reversed?
134 2011-02-10 01:39:16 <andrew12> like, the stuff that would normally be in there was in here, and vice versa
135 2011-02-10 01:57:47 <noagendamarket> dman the bitcoinmedia twitter account got 52 followers today lol
136 2011-02-10 01:57:57 <andrew12> wow
137 2011-02-10 01:58:05 <prax> i'll follow u
138 2011-02-10 01:59:37 <andrew12> lol
139 2011-02-10 01:59:56 <genjix> ill follow u for the hell of it too
140 2011-02-10 02:13:25 <andrew12> huh
141 2011-02-10 02:13:35 <andrew12> mtgox is accepting paypal again?
142 2011-02-10 02:13:52 <andrew12> well http://bitcoinmorpheus.tumblr.com/How_to_buy_mt_gox_usd_with_paypal
143 2011-02-10 02:14:28 <theymos> That site looks shady.
144 2011-02-10 02:14:46 <andrew12> It's on https://mtgox.com/users/addFunds
145 2011-02-10 02:15:14 <theymos> I noticed that, but I don't know or trust the owner of the Morpheus exchange.
146 2011-02-10 02:17:10 <Kiba> YOu don't trust morpheus?
147 2011-02-10 02:21:39 <theymos> I don't recall ever seeing him here. He's not in the trust database as far as I can see.
148 2011-02-10 02:24:52 <andrew12> :x
149 2011-02-10 02:27:55 <noagendamarket> yeah very strange
150 2011-02-10 02:28:21 <noagendamarket> although he is named after the matrix character lol
151 2011-02-10 02:28:58 <theymos> Maybe he is named after the greek god of dreams, or the P2P client. ;)
152 2011-02-10 02:29:27 <andrew12> what about satoshi? :p
153 2011-02-10 02:29:53 <theymos> "Satoshi" means "wise", I've heard.
154 2011-02-10 02:31:16 <Mango-chan> hm
155 2011-02-10 02:31:20 <Mango-chan> how anonymous are bitcoin transactions?
156 2011-02-10 02:31:33 <Mango-chan> if i were to make a new wallet for every transaction
157 2011-02-10 02:31:34 <Mango-chan> i make
158 2011-02-10 02:31:37 <Mango-chan> how anonymous will i remain?
159 2011-02-10 02:32:41 <theymos> See https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Anonymity . The best strategy is to make a MyBitcoin account and us that account only for sending and receiving anonymous transactions.
160 2011-02-10 02:33:11 <theymos> I wouldn't use the Bitcoin client for anonymity, even over Tor. It's too vulnerable to timing attacks.
161 2011-02-10 03:01:46 <CyanDynamo> http://dbzer0.com/blog/it-a-modern-window-into-the-historical-dislike-of-bosses-against-expertise
162 2011-02-10 03:23:31 <citiz3n> the pool hasn't found a block in 3.5 hours?
163 2011-02-10 03:23:50 <andrew12> bitcoin is crashing! run!
164 2011-02-10 03:24:23 <sgornick> http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#vztgSzm1g10zm2g25
165 2011-02-10 03:24:29 <sgornick> wrong link
166 2011-02-10 03:24:44 <sgornick> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2200705
167 2011-02-10 03:25:32 <doublec> citiz3n: how do you tell? the pool page removed time statistics I thought.
168 2011-02-10 03:25:37 <da2ce7> I just relised that my bounties are starting to be worth somethin!
169 2011-02-10 03:25:42 <citiz3n> times still show up there
170 2011-02-10 03:25:47 <citiz3n> http://mining.bitcoin.cz/stats/
171 2011-02-10 03:26:02 <doublec> the list of found blocks is delayed 2 hours
172 2011-02-10 03:26:15 <citiz3n> ah really?
173 2011-02-10 03:26:18 <citiz3n> wonder why that is
174 2011-02-10 03:26:36 <doublec> to try and stop people cheating the pool
175 2011-02-10 03:26:44 <doublec> by jumping onto other pools when it suits them
176 2011-02-10 03:27:25 <citiz3n> ah
177 2011-02-10 03:27:33 <citiz3n> that was mostly fixed already i think
178 2011-02-10 03:27:36 <citiz3n> with weighted shares
179 2011-02-10 03:27:43 <citiz3n> but i suppose some cheating could still be done
180 2011-02-10 03:27:52 <Cusipzzz> still a quick block can be exploited
181 2011-02-10 03:27:54 <doublec> has weighted shares happened already?
182 2011-02-10 03:31:13 <luke-jr_> citiz3n: what's wrong with pool hopping?
183 2011-02-10 03:32:46 <andrew12> heh
184 2011-02-10 03:35:06 <citiz3n> what does the "score" mean under each worker
185 2011-02-10 03:35:10 <citiz3n> in the pool my account page
186 2011-02-10 03:39:34 <doublec> it's the new system for computing how many bitcoins miners gets
187 2011-02-10 03:39:40 <luke-jr_> can I borrow 1.40 BTC by any chance? XD
188 2011-02-10 03:39:41 <doublec> not yet enabled so currently it means nothing
189 2011-02-10 03:39:52 <doublec> according to slush's post in the forums
190 2011-02-10 03:40:18 <andrew12> luke-jr_: for?
191 2011-02-10 03:40:26 <luke-jr_> so I have 100 and can sell
192 2011-02-10 03:40:32 <andrew12> heh
193 2011-02-10 03:40:46 <nanotube> luke-jr_: bitcoinmarket is closed atm anyway
194 2011-02-10 03:40:55 <andrew12> fine, but i charge 100% monthly interest
195 2011-02-10 03:41:09 <genjix> noagendamarket: you know that scrolling thing on bitcoinmedia?
196 2011-02-10 03:41:11 <luke-jr_> it actually only operates during specific times? O.o
197 2011-02-10 03:41:13 <andrew12> s/monthly/daily/
198 2011-02-10 03:41:14 <andrew12> jk
199 2011-02-10 03:41:24 <noagendamarket> genjix yes why ?
200 2011-02-10 03:41:25 <luke-jr_> andrew12: usury is immoral, so I cannot solicit that.
201 2011-02-10 03:41:51 <andrew12> luke-jr_: how much will i get back? and when? :)
202 2011-02-10 03:42:06 <genjix> noagendamarket: i want to put it in a client using QWebKit... could you maybe provide a special version?
203 2011-02-10 03:42:12 <nanotube> luke-jr_: yes, it is closed evening/night EST (or thereabouts)
204 2011-02-10 03:42:21 <genjix> noagendamarket: is it easy for you to do?
205 2011-02-10 03:42:28 <luke-jr_> andrew12: the same value you let me borrow, as soon as I get it ;)
206 2011-02-10 03:42:36 <genjix> http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/2757/screenshothe.png (easy client for beginners)
207 2011-02-10 03:42:50 <luke-jr_> andrew12: but if I do borrow, please inform me beforehand how you will be evaluating the value
208 2011-02-10 03:43:32 <andrew12> luke-jr_: i really don't care when you send it back :p
209 2011-02-10 03:43:33 <doublec> I think he evaluates the value as being 100% more than the principal...
210 2011-02-10 03:43:52 <andrew12> it was a joke. im not going to do any interest. :p
211 2011-02-10 03:43:53 <noagendamarket> http://www.mirocommunity.org/    genjix you can get the code from them
212 2011-02-10 03:44:00 <luke-jr_> andrew12: well, apparently I'm in no rush (nanotube's info)
213 2011-02-10 03:44:02 <noagendamarket> its open source
214 2011-02-10 03:44:16 <luke-jr_> andrew12: if bitcoins double in value over night, I'd make up the difference :p
215 2011-02-10 03:44:29 <genjix> thanks... i thught you wrote it yourself and might have an API :p
216 2011-02-10 03:44:41 <noagendamarket> yeah right lol
217 2011-02-10 03:45:13 <lfm> luke-jr_: how much you wanna borrow?
218 2011-02-10 03:45:19 <luke-jr_> lfm: 1.40
219 2011-02-10 03:45:27 <luke-jr_> but probably by the time the market opens, I will have it on my own
220 2011-02-10 03:45:53 <x6763> is the forum down?
221 2011-02-10 03:46:04 <luke-jr_> no
222 2011-02-10 03:46:15 <genjix> no
223 2011-02-10 03:46:28 <doublec> it's traditional for the forum to go down when someone podcasts or blogs about bitcoin...but not this time
224 2011-02-10 03:46:41 <x6763> eh, i think comcast is being craptastic again
225 2011-02-10 03:46:43 <andrew12> luke-jr_: send me an address
226 2011-02-10 03:47:08 <x6763> lots of packet loss
227 2011-02-10 03:47:42 <luke-jr_> andrew12: but I don't need it now&
228 2011-02-10 03:48:20 <genjix> haha! someone's selling LSD on the forums :D
229 2011-02-10 03:48:26 <andrew12> luke-jr_: do you want it now?
230 2011-02-10 03:48:30 <genjix> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3289.0
231 2011-02-10 03:48:33 <genjix> fo real
232 2011-02-10 03:53:51 <luke-jr_> andrew12: no
233 2011-02-10 03:54:06 <noagendamarket> hehe
234 2011-02-10 03:54:14 <andrew12> heh
235 2011-02-10 03:54:33 <andrew12> okay then. your loss. i was gonna send you 1.8 BUT NOW ITS TOO LATE.
236 2011-02-10 03:54:35 <noagendamarket> thats hilarious
237 2011-02-10 03:55:03 <luke-jr_> :p
238 2011-02-10 03:55:44 <luke-jr_> 1KczVqwopWXQdFLe5sNQbpCq7yGSmXx2oo is my *random donations* address, but at the moment, I am not looking to borrow any
239 2011-02-10 03:56:18 <noagendamarket> I have a randomn paypal address lol
240 2011-02-10 03:56:34 <doublec> hmm, good concept luke-jr_. Please, no one send money to 1KbReEEfSkyojWXpRSjL17dUSUWWoE6CBM. I urgently require that you send no bitcoins to that address.
241 2011-02-10 03:56:43 <luke-jr_> :P
242 2011-02-10 03:56:56 <andrew12> 13vfmJ9MsecfacFVgXL5WAjB1mQr8VVVi8
243 2011-02-10 03:56:58 <andrew12> me too!
244 2011-02-10 03:57:05 <doublec> hehe
245 2011-02-10 03:57:10 <nanotube> oh yes, and i think gribble's donation address at ,,botsnack is way too full of bitcoins, so please don't send him any for a while until he can digest.
246 2011-02-10 03:57:11 <gribble> Forget the snack, just send me some bitcoins at 1MgD6rah5zUgEGYZnNmdpnXMaDR3itKYzU :)
247 2011-02-10 03:57:18 <andrew12> as a matter of fact, here's 3 more addresses!
248 2011-02-10 03:57:21 <andrew12> 1PBLzGkuczRkQSRXc4utdA4yy12NQGVrqe
249 2011-02-10 03:57:22 <andrew12> 1ENmsNfFnWujr4e8XfDfSFhGeXMF5KEoJY
250 2011-02-10 03:57:26 <andrew12> :P
251 2011-02-10 03:57:36 <doublec> hey, don't waste those addresses. Remember, they can never be produced again!
252 2011-02-10 03:58:31 <Kiba> somebody said he would bet that bitcoin will fail within 5 years
253 2011-02-10 03:58:37 <luke-jr_> bet what?
254 2011-02-10 03:58:39 <Ralith> 20:58:34 < Ralith> can anyone give me a hand getting a GPU miner running on a Radeon 5850?
255 2011-02-10 03:58:41 <Ralith> 20:58:40 < Ralith> Nothing seems to be able to detect an OpenCL device.
256 2011-02-10 03:58:43 <Ralith> 20:58:58 < Ralith> I've tried catalyst 10.12 and 11.1 both.
257 2011-02-10 03:58:51 <sgornick> anyone care to help answer this: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2200837
258 2011-02-10 03:58:53 <Ralith> OS is windows 7 64 bit
259 2011-02-10 03:58:54 <Kiba> luke-jr_: an infinite amount of money
260 2011-02-10 03:58:54 <Mango-chan> install atistream Ralith
261 2011-02-10 03:58:58 <luke-jr_> Ralith: use Linux
262 2011-02-10 03:59:11 <Mango-chan> http://i.imgur.com/Zihb5.jpg
263 2011-02-10 03:59:11 <Ralith> Mango-chan: if by atistream you mean the OpenCL drivers aka stream SDK, I did.
264 2011-02-10 03:59:12 <Mango-chan> pic related
265 2011-02-10 03:59:19 <sgornick> hackernews rate-limits, and i've hit my posting limit.
266 2011-02-10 03:59:23 <redMBA> anyone trading bitcoin puts?
267 2011-02-10 03:59:51 <Ralith> Mango-chan: before I did that, I had a DLL not found error.  Now I just have the programs finding zero OpenCL devices.
268 2011-02-10 04:00:05 <Mango-chan> uninstall drivers and reinstall
269 2011-02-10 04:01:28 <Ralith> okay
270 2011-02-10 04:02:04 <lfm> Ralith: did you install the opnecl SDK?
271 2011-02-10 04:02:40 <Ralith> lfm: I answered that above.  The answer was yes.
272 2011-02-10 04:03:19 <ArtForz> does gpu-z detect ocl capability?
273 2011-02-10 04:04:21 <ArtForz> also, if you had driver 11.1 installed, you probably have parts of sdk 2.3 still floating about your system
274 2011-02-10 04:05:21 <ArtForz> 11.1 includes some of the opencl runtime dlls from sdk 2.3, and atis driver uninstaller likes to miss shit
275 2011-02-10 04:05:29 <Ralith> well, I Just did a full uninstall and reboot
276 2011-02-10 04:05:36 <Ralith> and am installing 10.12 now
277 2011-02-10 04:06:13 <ArtForz> btw, might also want to try 10.11
278 2011-02-10 04:06:19 <Ralith> oh?
279 2011-02-10 04:06:21 <Ralith> why's that?
280 2011-02-10 04:06:29 <ArtForz> some people have reported problems with 10.12
281 2011-02-10 04:06:54 <Ralith> okay, will try
282 2011-02-10 04:06:55 <ArtForz> no clue
283 2011-02-10 04:06:58 <luke-jr_> 10.12 works for me
284 2011-02-10 04:07:00 <ArtForz> but it should basically work
285 2011-02-10 04:07:09 <da2ce7> 11.1 works great for me
286 2011-02-10 04:07:09 <luke-jr_> in fact, 10.12 is the oldest version that *can* work for me
287 2011-02-10 04:07:26 <luke-jr_> older versions don't work with 2.6.37
288 2011-02-10 04:07:33 <luke-jr_> and older kernels don't boot my machine
289 2011-02-10 04:07:34 <ArtForz> might just be a bit slower than optimum
290 2011-02-10 04:07:40 <Ralith> this is windows, not linux
291 2011-02-10 04:07:46 <luke-jr_> Ralith: there's the problem
292 2011-02-10 04:07:52 <Ralith> luke-jr_: that's incredibly unhelpful.
293 2011-02-10 04:08:03 <Ralith> da2ce7: what OS are you on?
294 2011-02-10 04:08:06 <da2ce7> everyone complains about windows miners... they work great for me.
295 2011-02-10 04:08:13 <da2ce7> win7x64
296 2011-02-10 04:08:20 <da2ce7> sp1
297 2011-02-10 04:08:48 <Ralith> same here.
298 2011-02-10 04:08:49 <luke-jr_> Ralith: it doesn't work because your system's been infected by the bitcoin-based botnet/worm, and it's already mining your GPU for Joe Cracker
299 2011-02-10 04:08:56 <Ralith> will try 1.11 again
300 2011-02-10 04:08:58 <Ralith> er
301 2011-02-10 04:08:59 <Ralith> 11.1
302 2011-02-10 04:09:01 <Ralith> after 10.10
303 2011-02-10 04:09:11 <ArtForz> iirc some people saw 10% or so performance drop after "upgrading" to 10.12
304 2011-02-10 04:09:27 <Ralith> (10.11 is listed as "not verified to be OpenCL compliant")
305 2011-02-10 04:09:36 <lfm> /ignore luke-jr_ all
306 2011-02-10 04:09:39 <luke-jr_> ArtForz: ever seen a problem which causes a decrease in yields w/o a decrease in MH/s speed?
307 2011-02-10 04:09:46 <da2ce7> well I'm getting 272Mhash/s @ 800MHz
308 2011-02-10 04:10:00 <da2ce7> per core
309 2011-02-10 04:10:11 <Mango-chan> guys
310 2011-02-10 04:10:16 <Mango-chan> what's the current rate of computatio
311 2011-02-10 04:10:17 <Mango-chan> ?
312 2011-02-10 04:10:22 <Mango-chan> of the entire server
313 2011-02-10 04:10:24 <da2ce7> go to bitcoincharts.com
314 2011-02-10 04:10:24 <Mango-chan> or network
315 2011-02-10 04:10:29 <Mango-chan> k thanks
316 2011-02-10 04:10:32 <da2ce7> it says in the stats
317 2011-02-10 04:10:45 <andrew12> it's an estimate though
318 2011-02-10 04:11:05 <da2ce7> andrew12, you can only estimate...
319 2011-02-10 04:11:17 <da2ce7> it isn't really possible to calculate the 'acutal' ammount
320 2011-02-10 04:11:40 <andrew12> i know
321 2011-02-10 04:11:42 <andrew12> lol
322 2011-02-10 04:12:32 <ArtForz> yeah, it's weird
323 2011-02-10 04:12:34 <ArtForz> da2ce7: with multiple GPUs and diablos miner?
324 2011-02-10 04:12:35 <ArtForz> anyways, no GPUs detected is usually a bad driver/sdk install
325 2011-02-10 04:12:37 <ArtForz> standard solution, uninstall sdk, uninstall driver, install driver, install sdk, shit magically starts working
326 2011-02-10 04:13:00 <lfm> luke-jr: if there is a bug in the sha or various handleing fo rthe nonce and such then it might never find any proper hashes even if it reports hash/s
327 2011-02-10 04:13:34 <Ralith> okay, installing 10.10 fixed the 'no devices found' problem
328 2011-02-10 04:13:40 <Ralith> now the python miner is giving me another error
329 2011-02-10 04:13:46 <luke-jr> lfm: but it's not 0%, it's like 50-80%
330 2011-02-10 04:13:49 <Ralith> "InvalidURL: nonnumeric port: 'ass=<my password>'
331 2011-02-10 04:13:50 <Ralith> "
332 2011-02-10 04:13:53 <Ralith> any idea wtf?
333 2011-02-10 04:13:56 <noagendamarket> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3166.new#new   lmao
334 2011-02-10 04:14:38 <ArtForz> mix up of - and -- ?
335 2011-02-10 04:14:53 <Ralith> nope
336 2011-02-10 04:14:56 <ArtForz> luke-jr: bug in miner, crossfire bugs
337 2011-02-10 04:15:37 <andrew12> Ralith: post the entire command, of course removing your private stuff
338 2011-02-10 04:16:43 <Ralith> RPC miner runs but gives 0 khash/s
339 2011-02-10 04:17:06 <Ralith> andrew12: poclbm.exe -user=user -pass=pass -v -w 128 -f 5 -d 1
340 2011-02-10 04:17:17 <luke-jr> ArtForz: well, only one 5850, so no crossfire problems for sure, right?
341 2011-02-10 04:17:23 <luke-jr> and it's standard poclbm&
342 2011-02-10 04:17:45 <Mango-chan> d 1?
343 2011-02-10 04:17:48 <Mango-chan> i thought gpus are 0
344 2011-02-10 04:18:00 <luke-jr> Ralith: -p is port, you want --pass
345 2011-02-10 04:18:10 <luke-jr> Mango-chan: depends. mine is randomly 0 or 1 :/
346 2011-02-10 04:18:16 <andrew12> and --user instead of -user.
347 2011-02-10 04:18:18 <Ralith> Mango-chan: d 0 breaks
348 2011-02-10 04:18:21 <Ralith> andrew12: ahh, thanks
349 2011-02-10 04:18:28 <luke-jr> Ralith: also, you're aware that -f 5 will probably freeze your video output?
350 2011-02-10 04:18:31 <Ralith> andrew12: the webpage I copied from autoconverted -- to 
351 2011-02-10 04:18:53 <andrew12> no worries
352 2011-02-10 04:18:59 <Ralith> runs
353 2011-02-10 04:19:00 <Ralith> :D
354 2011-02-10 04:19:01 <Ralith> thanks!
355 2011-02-10 04:19:04 <lfm> Ralith: any time you change the driver you may have to reinstall the sdk
356 2011-02-10 04:19:08 <luke-jr> Ralith: how is user interaction?
357 2011-02-10 04:19:12 <andrew12> now send me bitcoins! ;)
358 2011-02-10 04:19:17 <ArtForz> Ralith: mixup of - and -- for your options?
359 2011-02-10 04:19:19 <Ralith> 260 mhash/s
360 2011-02-10 04:19:31 <Ralith> ArtForz: yep, after all.
361 2011-02-10 04:19:36 <luke-jr> Ralith: I mean, your monitor/mouse/etc, how well is it working?
362 2011-02-10 04:19:45 <luke-jr> I know mine basically freezes at -f 1
363 2011-02-10 04:20:03 <andrew12> grr
364 2011-02-10 04:20:06 <Ralith> luke-jr: lags it to hell, good point
365 2011-02-10 04:20:12 <andrew12> i really need to build a good pc
366 2011-02-10 04:20:13 <andrew12> haha
367 2011-02-10 04:20:25 <Ralith> ArtForz: guess I should've asked what the correct one was rather than writing it off.
368 2011-02-10 04:20:37 <Ralith> still, fie on the dev for not doing input validation >_>
369 2011-02-10 04:20:57 <Ralith> luke-jr: what is -f, and which way should I adjust it?
370 2011-02-10 04:21:09 <andrew12> --help
371 2011-02-10 04:21:09 <nanotube> Ralith: "InvalidURL: nonnumeric port: 'ass=<my password>' <-- input validation
372 2011-02-10 04:21:28 <andrew12> and what nanotube said
373 2011-02-10 04:21:31 <Ralith> nanotube: no, that's an internal exception being spammily thrown :P
374 2011-02-10 04:21:40 <nanotube> semantics :)
375 2011-02-10 04:21:43 <Ralith> ^^
376 2011-02-10 04:21:53 <Ralith> do I lose any state if I kill and restart the miner?
377 2011-02-10 04:22:06 <nanotube> there's no state to lose
378 2011-02-10 04:22:09 <andrew12> there is no state to lose
379 2011-02-10 04:22:16 <andrew12> dammit nanotube!
380 2011-02-10 04:22:18 <nanotube> lol
381 2011-02-10 04:22:27 <Ralith> well, progress towards a solution is stored somehow, no?
382 2011-02-10 04:22:32 <Netsniper> Anarchy: There is no state to lose!
383 2011-02-10 04:22:40 <Ralith> or am I missing something
384 2011-02-10 04:22:42 <nanotube> andrew12: i think the reason i beat you is because i saved one extra character lol
385 2011-02-10 04:22:50 <nanotube> Ralith: there's no such thing as progress towards solution
386 2011-02-10 04:22:54 <andrew12> plus because i'm on my phone
387 2011-02-10 04:22:55 <Ralith> if you say so!
388 2011-02-10 04:22:56 <nanotube> Ralith: every hash has equal probability of being right.
389 2011-02-10 04:23:00 <Ralith> ah, I see.
390 2011-02-10 04:23:01 <Ralith> okay
391 2011-02-10 04:23:04 <luke-jr> Ralith: lower numbers = laggy
392 2011-02-10 04:23:17 <andrew12> ;;bc,probability
393 2011-02-10 04:23:17 <gribble> Error: "bc,probability" is not a valid command.
394 2011-02-10 04:23:20 <andrew12> hm
395 2011-02-10 04:23:44 <luke-jr> Ralith: personally, if -f is too high, mining is far far too slow; and if -f isn't too high, usage lags
396 2011-02-10 04:23:51 <andrew12> http://blockexplorer.com/q/probability
397 2011-02-10 04:23:52 <luke-jr> so I simply don't mine on my primary interface
398 2011-02-10 04:24:59 <ArtForz> argh, laaag
399 2011-02-10 04:25:34 <nanotube> ;;bc,prob 260000 1w
400 2011-02-10 04:25:37 <gribble> 0.755435099899
401 2011-02-10 04:25:49 <nanotube> andrew12: --^
402 2011-02-10 04:26:59 <nanotube> takes hash rate, and time period
403 2011-02-10 04:27:51 <nanotube> gives prob of finding block in that time
404 2011-02-10 04:28:13 <Ralith> handy
405 2011-02-10 04:28:21 <Ralith> luke-jr: miner docs recommended -f 5 for a 5870; I gues that's if you're not using the card for UI.
406 2011-02-10 04:28:25 <luke-jr> Ralith: my Radeon does nothing but mine
407 2011-02-10 04:28:42 <ArtForz> yay, 103s ping
408 2011-02-10 04:28:52 <ArtForz> yes, seconds
409 2011-02-10 04:28:58 <Ralith> -f 20 gives usable-though-still-laggy UI without costing much
410 2011-02-10 04:29:03 <luke-jr> -f 5 gets me 1 MH/s less than -f 1
411 2011-02-10 04:29:28 <andrew12> ;;bc,prob 600 1d
412 2011-02-10 04:29:34 <gribble> 0.000464158585237
413 2011-02-10 04:29:40 <andrew12> hehe
414 2011-02-10 04:30:22 <andrew12> ;;list alias
415 2011-02-10 04:30:30 <gribble> ?, about, add, bc,bcm, bc,blocks, bc,btcex, bc,calc, bc,calcd, bc,diff, bc,estimate, bc,help, bc,hextarget, bc,labs, bc,lbs, bc,markets, bc,mtgox, bc,nexttarget, bc,poolstats, bc,prob, bc,stats, bc,timetonext, bc,totalbc, bc,wiki, blockmonitor, bot, botsnack, boturl, botweb, cheer, configure, ctell, direct, factlist, facts, getprefix, give, giveout, h, help, histsearch, hug, isitdown, (1 more message)
416 2011-02-10 04:30:39 <andrew12> ;;more
417 2011-02-10 04:30:42 <gribble> lock, ls, mp, oobhresponse, otc, pet, petuser, pong, remove, sfideasearch, sfticketsearch, sfuserpage, sfwikisearch, sl, slap, smack, targetproject, texthelp, ud, unlock, wk, wp, and yt
418 2011-02-10 04:30:45 <ArtForz> just don't go to youtube :P
419 2011-02-10 04:30:49 <andrew12> ;;pong
420 2011-02-10 04:30:58 <gribble> ping
421 2011-02-10 04:31:01 <andrew12> heh
422 2011-02-10 04:31:33 <andrew12> ;;bc,lbs
423 2011-02-10 04:31:35 <gribble> Error: "curblockstats" is not a valid command.
424 2011-02-10 04:31:39 <andrew12> ;;bc,labs
425 2011-02-10 04:31:42 <gribble> Block number: 107204 | Time since previous block: 33 minutes and 38 seconds | Transaction count: 14.000 | Block size: 3648 bytes | Average transaction size: 255 bytes
426 2011-02-10 04:32:09 <andrew12> ;;hug nanotube
427 2011-02-10 04:32:31 <RagnarDan> In the morning, noagendamarket
428 2011-02-10 04:33:00 <andrew12> why do some markets close?
429 2011-02-10 04:33:10 <nanotube> andrew12: only bitcoinmarket.com closes
430 2011-02-10 04:33:18 <nanotube> as to why... he thought it would be a good idea at the time
431 2011-02-10 04:33:27 <andrew12> heh
432 2011-02-10 04:34:58 <noagendamarket> hey in the morning Ragnar
433 2011-02-10 04:38:42 <Ralith> aaand all set up and running on mining.bitcoin.cz
434 2011-02-10 04:38:43 <Ralith> awesome.
435 2011-02-10 04:38:56 <Ralith> thanks for the help, all!
436 2011-02-10 04:39:02 <Ralith> andrew12: totally sending something your way once I have any ^^
437 2011-02-10 04:39:54 <nanotube> Ralith: great to hear. enjoy :)
438 2011-02-10 04:42:27 <Mango-chan> ;;bc,labs
439 2011-02-10 04:42:30 <gribble> Block number: 107205 | Time since previous block: 12 minutes and 24 seconds | Transaction count: 5.000 | Block size: 1212 bytes | Average transaction size: 226 bytes
440 2011-02-10 04:44:10 <midnightmagic_> ;;hug you.
441 2011-02-10 04:45:12 <gribble> Error: "bc" is not a valid command.
442 2011-02-10 04:45:12 <Mango-chan> ;;bc nig
443 2011-02-10 04:47:18 <andrew12> ;;calc 1.07/1.0r
444 2011-02-10 04:47:18 <gribble> ...
445 2011-02-10 04:48:18 <andrew12> ;;calc (1.07/1.04)(1-0.0065)(1-0.0065
446 2011-02-10 04:48:19 <gribble> (1.07 / 1.04) * (1 - 0.0065) * (1 - 0.0065) = 1.01551462
447 2011-02-10 04:48:38 <andrew12> ;;calc (1.08/1.04)(1-0.0065)(1-0.0065)
448 2011-02-10 04:48:38 <gribble> (1.08 / 1.04) * (1 - 0.0065) * (1 - 0.0065) = 1.02500541
449 2011-02-10 04:48:49 <andrew12> ;;calc (1.08/1.02)(1-0.0065)(1-0.0065)
450 2011-02-10 04:48:50 <gribble> (1.08 / 1.02) * (1 - 0.0065) * (1 - 0.0065) = 1.04510356
451 2011-02-10 04:48:54 <andrew12> hm
452 2011-02-10 05:02:15 <nanotube> ;;bc,stats
453 2011-02-10 05:02:16 <gribble> Current Blocks: 107209 | Current Difficulty: 25997.87992881 | Next Difficulty At Block: 108863 | Next Difficulty In: 1654 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 9 hours, 7 minutes, and 40 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 31951.83502209
454 2011-02-10 05:04:34 <jgarzik> the bitcoin debug.log needs a timestamp prepended to each line
455 2011-02-10 05:04:48 <nanotube> yea good idea jgarzik
456 2011-02-10 05:06:06 <Ralith> anyone have any advice on tweaking rpcminer config?
457 2011-02-10 05:10:12 <wee493> Hey
458 2011-02-10 05:11:06 <prax> yo
459 2011-02-10 05:13:30 <wee493> How many blocks will have to be downloaded before I'm "caught up"? I'm currently on 30,000
460 2011-02-10 05:13:50 <lfm> ;;bc,blocks
461 2011-02-10 05:13:51 <gribble> 107211
462 2011-02-10 05:14:11 <wee493> ah, k thanks
463 2011-02-10 05:14:45 <wee493> I just heard about this is twit (a technology web show). They are talking about it now (pre-recorded) http://live.twit.tv/
464 2011-02-10 05:23:37 <prax> yeah we watched today expecting the influx
465 2011-02-10 05:32:55 <lfm> volume is way up too, very encouraging
466 2011-02-10 05:35:42 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.09,"low":0.82,"vol":50888,"buy":1.042,"sell":1.0899,"last":1.0418}}
467 2011-02-10 05:35:42 <prax> ;;bc,mtgox
468 2011-02-10 05:35:54 <prax> selloff
469 2011-02-10 05:38:53 <midnightmagic_> anyone want some testnet coins from the "old" testnet?
470 2011-02-10 05:39:34 <da2ce7> kiba are you rich yet?
471 2011-02-10 05:40:34 <kiba> da2ce7: mine is only worth 700 dollars
472 2011-02-10 05:40:37 <kiba> a small saving
473 2011-02-10 05:40:47 <Mango-chan> kiba what's your rate of income
474 2011-02-10 05:40:56 <midnightmagic_> i have 104000 and I'm pondering switching to the new genesis block, but it would be a shame to let all those coins just disappear.
475 2011-02-10 05:40:58 <jgarzik> slush: does your server support HTTP/1.1 persistent connections?
476 2011-02-10 05:41:06 <kiba> Mango-chan: hmm..5 BTC a week
477 2011-02-10 05:41:11 <Mango-chan> seriosuly?
478 2011-02-10 05:41:45 <kiba> Mango-chan: my income is variable :/
479 2011-02-10 05:41:53 <kiba> I earned 3 BTC this week from my magazine work
480 2011-02-10 05:41:59 <Mango-chan> don't you mine?
481 2011-02-10 05:42:13 <kiba> Mango-chan: no. Mining isn't profitable
482 2011-02-10 05:42:21 <Mango-chan> it isn't?
483 2011-02-10 05:42:23 <Mango-chan> how so?
484 2011-02-10 05:42:28 <midnightmagic_> it's not profitable for a lot of people.
485 2011-02-10 05:42:36 <Mango-chan> oh
486 2011-02-10 05:42:50 <kiba> it's only for GPU farms
487 2011-02-10 05:42:52 <Mango-chan> someone should probably figure out a graph
488 2011-02-10 05:43:03 <midnightmagic_> what kind of graph are you interested in?
489 2011-02-10 05:43:18 <Mango-chan> mining profitability
490 2011-02-10 05:43:28 <Mango-chan> that depends on the exchange rate
491 2011-02-10 05:43:36 <kiba> electricity cost
492 2011-02-10 05:43:38 <kiba> hashing speed
493 2011-02-10 05:43:50 <kiba> capital investment
494 2011-02-10 05:43:50 <Mango-chan> well
495 2011-02-10 05:43:51 <midnightmagic_> that would be a tough one. you'd have to guess at card costs but they're pretty variable. how do you know whether someone got a card on sale or not?
496 2011-02-10 05:44:00 <Mango-chan> no i mean
497 2011-02-10 05:44:03 <Mango-chan> assuming you already got a card
498 2011-02-10 05:44:11 <midnightmagic_> electricity is $0.065 here; but I've heard some people say it's upwards of $0.80 for them.
499 2011-02-10 05:44:22 <Mango-chan> i'm sure there are averages
500 2011-02-10 05:44:25 <Mango-chan> for the entire us
501 2011-02-10 05:44:38 <kiba> averages are not useful for individual miners
502 2011-02-10 05:44:54 <Mango-chan> or
503 2011-02-10 05:45:02 <Mango-chan> input your own electricity bill
504 2011-02-10 05:45:26 <Mango-chan> generate a graph based on current rates or something -3-
505 2011-02-10 05:45:55 <Mango-chan> at current rates
506 2011-02-10 05:46:08 <Mango-chan> what card would produce a break-even rate
507 2011-02-10 05:46:14 <Mango-chan> mine for a month
508 2011-02-10 05:46:23 <Mango-chan> given the average cost of electricity
509 2011-02-10 05:47:13 <da2ce7> how did you get a majority of your BTC kiba?
510 2011-02-10 05:47:32 <da2ce7> *largest proportion
511 2011-02-10 05:50:32 <prax> damn I have a lot of fonts
512 2011-02-10 05:50:47 <prax> probably not all fonts but going through my backup and lists almost 15,000 files
513 2011-02-10 05:56:04 <prax> 12.766 damn
514 2011-02-10 05:56:15 <prax> if anyone ever needs a font ask me =)
515 2011-02-10 05:58:45 <Mango-chan> http://i56.tinypic.com/2mdkw9e.jpg
516 2011-02-10 05:58:46 <Mango-chan> guys
517 2011-02-10 05:58:47 <Mango-chan> i'm so popular
518 2011-02-10 06:00:11 <prax> thanks, I love penis pics
519 2011-02-10 06:08:17 <da2ce7> ;;bc,calcd 20000000, 40000
520 2011-02-10 06:08:18 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
521 2011-02-10 06:08:39 <da2ce7> ;;bc,calc 20000000
522 2011-02-10 06:08:41 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 20000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 1 hour, 33 minutes, and 3 seconds
523 2011-02-10 06:23:32 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 20000000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 40000, is 2 hours, 23 minutes, and 9 seconds
524 2011-02-10 06:23:32 <midnightmagic_> ;;bc,calcd 20000000 40000
525 2011-02-10 06:25:08 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1000000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 25000, is 1 day, 5 hours, 49 minutes, and 34 seconds
526 2011-02-10 06:25:08 <Mango-chan> ;;bc,calcd 1000000 25000
527 2011-02-10 06:25:27 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1000000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 30000, is 1 day, 11 hours, 47 minutes, and 29 seconds
528 2011-02-10 06:25:27 <Mango-chan> ;;bc,calcd 1000000 30000
529 2011-02-10 06:25:34 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 2000000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 30000, is 17 hours, 53 minutes, and 44 seconds
530 2011-02-10 06:25:34 <Mango-chan> ;;bc,calcd 2000000 30000
531 2011-02-10 06:30:58 <joe_1> parity party at cash cow casino ===> cashcow.no-ip.org
532 2011-02-10 06:35:42 <midnightmagic_> 0x6763, you are awesome. whoever you are.
533 2011-02-10 06:36:04 <prax> what'd he do?
534 2011-02-10 06:36:33 <prax> speaking of awesome this book, Rework, is great
535 2011-02-10 06:41:36 <midnightmagic_> he answered some questions very well on hacker news.
536 2011-02-10 06:51:00 <necrodearia> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3284.msg46235#msg46235
537 2011-02-10 06:51:08 <necrodearia> Steve Gibson talking about Bitcoin
538 2011-02-10 06:51:25 <necrodearia> Ah, it's been mentioned already
539 2011-02-10 06:51:41 <prax> i guess the replay is up now?
540 2011-02-10 06:51:48 <prax> watched it live but missed parts
541 2011-02-10 06:52:03 <prax> seen some new people coming in today
542 2011-02-10 06:52:22 <dissipate> forget that, we need bitcoin ads on MTV and during American Idol
543 2011-02-10 06:52:41 <prax> we need more biz accepting btc
544 2011-02-10 06:52:50 <prax> u should help me code my website =.=
545 2011-02-10 06:53:13 <dissipate> me?
546 2011-02-10 06:53:21 <prax> oh u dont do that?
547 2011-02-10 06:53:29 <prax> that was a collective you then
548 2011-02-10 06:53:33 <prax> i get confused
549 2011-02-10 06:53:34 <dissipate> depends
550 2011-02-10 06:53:42 <dissipate> what framework are you using?
551 2011-02-10 06:53:53 <prax> didnt really decide yet umm
552 2011-02-10 06:53:59 <prax> framework as in what?
553 2011-02-10 06:54:29 <dissipate> something that has a controller viewer model stack of some sort i hope
554 2011-02-10 06:54:42 <noagendamarket> Im putting it up on youtube.
555 2011-02-10 06:54:43 <prax> lol i dont even know what that means
556 2011-02-10 06:55:13 <dissipate> prax, 'doh
557 2011-02-10 06:55:19 <alystair> :S
558 2011-02-10 06:55:23 <alystair> how much is BC worth now
559 2011-02-10 06:55:44 <Mango-chan> lol
560 2011-02-10 06:55:51 <Mango-chan> [23:50:58] <necrodearia> Steve Gibson talking about Bitcoin
561 2011-02-10 06:55:54 <Mango-chan> he's a professor at my college
562 2011-02-10 06:56:02 <Mango-chan> or well
563 2011-02-10 06:56:08 <Mango-chan> he studied at my school or something
564 2011-02-10 06:56:08 <prax> php probably? is that what u want?
565 2011-02-10 06:56:10 <alystair> maybe I should start offering service for BC
566 2011-02-10 06:56:12 <AAA_awright> $1.10
567 2011-02-10 06:56:22 <alystair> $1.10? :O
568 2011-02-10 06:56:23 <AAA_awright> $1.10/BTC is the going exchange rate
569 2011-02-10 06:56:31 <alystair> wtf.
570 2011-02-10 06:56:56 <Mango-chan> no it's not
571 2011-02-10 06:56:57 <dissipate> prax, could be. but php is a language, not a framework.
572 2011-02-10 06:57:00 <alystair> I'm away for 6 months and BC hits and goes OVER pariety?
573 2011-02-10 06:57:03 <dissipate> prax, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model%E2%80%93View%E2%80%93Controller
574 2011-02-10 06:57:29 <alystair> frameworks are for wimps and people who need code that is developed by more than 5 people :p
575 2011-02-10 06:57:46 <alystair> so it's easy to make sense of it
576 2011-02-10 06:58:42 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.09,"low":0.82,"vol":50980,"buy":1.0423,"sell":1.0899,"last":1.09}}
577 2011-02-10 06:58:42 <lfm> ;;bc,mtgox
578 2011-02-10 06:58:50 <dissipate> alystair, skeletons??
579 2011-02-10 06:59:20 <alystair> what's the current generation rate
580 2011-02-10 06:59:24 <alystair> global generation rate?
581 2011-02-10 06:59:43 <lfm> ;;bc,stats
582 2011-02-10 06:59:45 <gribble> Current Blocks: 107224 | Current Difficulty: 25997.87992881 | Next Difficulty At Block: 108863 | Next Difficulty In: 1639 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 6 hours, 10 minutes, and 32 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 32041.70186733
583 2011-02-10 07:00:09 <alystair> I mean in khashes
584 2011-02-10 07:00:11 <alystair> globally
585 2011-02-10 07:00:17 <alystair> is there a way to calculate that?
586 2011-02-10 07:00:27 <prax> idk diss, I'm trying to just not suck at html/css/javascript for the moment
587 2011-02-10 07:00:44 <prax> my hosts has stuff like pear/ruby/php
588 2011-02-10 07:00:48 <lfm> alystair: use the difficulty, multiply by 2^32
589 2011-02-10 07:00:54 <dissipate> prax, ugh, javascript sucks. :(
590 2011-02-10 07:01:07 <prax> eh, seems like it does some cool stuff
591 2011-02-10 07:01:14 <prax> what then?
592 2011-02-10 07:01:27 <dissipate> prax, try Pyjamas. www.pyjs.org
593 2011-02-10 07:01:42 <prax> hrm
594 2011-02-10 07:02:34 <dissipate> it has tons of widgets pre-built for you. and it's basically like developing a desktop application. cross browser compliance is automatic and you have the power of python with separate classes and modules.
595 2011-02-10 07:03:00 <prax> it isnt going to be like an extra language to learn?
596 2011-02-10 07:03:59 <alystair> lfm: for mhashes? o.O
597 2011-02-10 07:04:13 <prax> looks interesting
598 2011-02-10 07:04:21 <dissipate> prax, you use python which is an easy to learn language that is also very powerful.
599 2011-02-10 07:04:24 <prax> i keep looking at new ways to do it and get nothing done though heh
600 2011-02-10 07:04:52 <dissipate> prax, check out the examples: http://pyjs.org/examples/
601 2011-02-10 07:04:57 <alystair> maybe you should learn D then :D
602 2011-02-10 07:05:12 <prax> D?
603 2011-02-10 07:05:18 <alystair> yes, it comes after C
604 2011-02-10 07:05:28 <prax> D:
605 2011-02-10 07:05:32 <dissipate> for web development??
606 2011-02-10 07:05:34 <dissipate> lmao
607 2011-02-10 07:05:35 <alystair> oh no
608 2011-02-10 07:05:38 <alystair> no no no :D
609 2011-02-10 07:05:46 <alystair> node.js :D
610 2011-02-10 07:05:55 <alystair> two birds with one stone
611 2011-02-10 07:06:06 <alystair> learn both front/back webdev
612 2011-02-10 07:06:06 <dissipate> prax, here is a free book on python: http://diveintopython.org/
613 2011-02-10 07:06:26 <dissipate> i suggest you read a few chapters of that, then check out the code of the examples for pyjamas i linked you to above
614 2011-02-10 07:06:38 <dissipate> then start playing around. :D
615 2011-02-10 07:07:00 <prax> hmm so this is instead of javascript
616 2011-02-10 07:07:08 <prax> but I still need html/css
617 2011-02-10 07:07:34 <dissipate> prax, yes, but not really because what pyjamas does is it compiles your python code into cross browser compliant javascript.
618 2011-02-10 07:08:03 <prax> right ok
619 2011-02-10 07:08:20 <lfm> alystair: um diff * 2^32 / 600 perhaps
620 2011-02-10 07:08:21 <prax> somehow stuff like ruby/python just seems unapproachable
621 2011-02-10 07:08:24 <dissipate> prax, actually, with pyjamas you don't need as much html or css. the api has a lot of functions that take care of that stuff for you.
622 2011-02-10 07:08:28 <prax> I'll check it out though
623 2011-02-10 07:08:44 <dissipate> prax, really? python is a very easy language to jump into.
624 2011-02-10 07:09:03 <prax> no I have an open mind, just saying how I perceived it
625 2011-02-10 07:09:09 <dissipate> the syntax is clear and concise.
626 2011-02-10 07:09:38 <dissipate> very few 'tricks' (until you start getting into more advanced stuff).
627 2011-02-10 07:09:59 <alystair> I don't get how people are willing to deal with this having value
628 2011-02-10 07:10:10 <alystair> it's still experimental :S
629 2011-02-10 07:10:17 <alystair> also there are people with 20k+ BC
630 2011-02-10 07:10:25 <dissipate> prax, then, if you are looking for a web framework there is web2py: www.web2py.com
631 2011-02-10 07:10:42 <dissipate> pyjamas and web2py work well together
632 2011-02-10 07:10:49 <alystair> it gives early adoptors a huuuuge bonus :S
633 2011-02-10 07:11:00 <dissipate> alystair, what do you mean?
634 2011-02-10 07:11:11 <alystair> if they were to sell their BC
635 2011-02-10 07:11:18 <dissipate> what do you mean by 'deal with this having value'?
636 2011-02-10 07:11:42 <prax> latecomer ethic
637 2011-02-10 07:11:53 <prax> wish i got some btc when i first heard about bitcoin too
638 2011-02-10 07:12:06 <alystair> well, it's still experimental yet people treat it like real money :S
639 2011-02-10 07:12:20 <prax> whats wrong with it being labeled experimental?
640 2011-02-10 07:12:25 <alystair> nothing
641 2011-02-10 07:12:28 <prax> the mechanics of it seem pretty solid to me
642 2011-02-10 07:12:37 <dissipate> alystair, call it what you want. it seems to be working, and quite well at that. :O
643 2011-02-10 07:12:39 <alystair> just confused with the way BC has gone on till now
644 2011-02-10 07:12:56 <prax> there could be competing cryptocurrencies
645 2011-02-10 07:13:44 <dissipate> i have been looking into digital currencies on and off for almost a decade. bitcoin is the best designed one i have seen by far.
646 2011-02-10 07:13:46 <prax> actually that is kind of interesting
647 2011-02-10 07:13:56 <alystair> which will always be at least double the value of bc ;)
648 2011-02-10 07:14:07 <prax> what about a bitcoin-esque deal that would somehow ease transitions from the various central banking notes
649 2011-02-10 07:14:09 <alystair> because of its superior british heritage ohoho
650 2011-02-10 07:14:11 <alystair> (jk)
651 2011-02-10 07:14:16 <prax> lol
652 2011-02-10 07:14:32 <prax> bitsterling
653 2011-02-10 07:14:42 <alystair> that sounds awesome
654 2011-02-10 07:14:52 <alystair> 'I couldn't give one bityen'
655 2011-02-10 07:14:58 <prax> bitpeso
656 2011-02-10 07:15:05 <dissipate> prax, if bitcoin takes off big time there will be competition, but the problem is that currencies are some of the most conservative 'products' around. the popular one wins the day and shuts everyone else out.
657 2011-02-10 07:15:05 <prax> bitshekel
658 2011-02-10 07:15:10 <alystair> bitshekel
659 2011-02-10 07:15:41 <alystair> I think
660 2011-02-10 07:15:45 <dissipate> once a currency beats out the competition, it's an incredible task to unseat it
661 2011-02-10 07:15:51 <prax> yeah I know diss... just an idea
662 2011-02-10 07:16:01 <prax> Greshams law right
663 2011-02-10 07:16:13 <alystair> what BC needs is an injection of users and better websites to aid transitioning between paper and these new digital currencies
664 2011-02-10 07:16:27 <joe_1> how can we inject users
665 2011-02-10 07:16:29 <dissipate> prax, more like regression theorem
666 2011-02-10 07:16:55 <alystair> get BC involved with that project... uh
667 2011-02-10 07:16:55 <prax> help me code my website for my store ! =)
668 2011-02-10 07:17:02 <alystair> the Zeitguist folk :p
669 2011-02-10 07:17:04 <prax> er it is more than a store though
670 2011-02-10 07:17:11 <dissipate> alystair, BTC 'trading depots' for in-person OTC trades in major cities would help big time, IMO
671 2011-02-10 07:17:16 <prax> should reach tens of thousands of interested folks
672 2011-02-10 07:17:29 <dissipate> prax, who me?
673 2011-02-10 07:17:39 <prax> nah just begging for help
674 2011-02-10 07:17:52 <alystair> dissipate: those places would require BC 'on hand' tho'
675 2011-02-10 07:17:53 <prax> I'm going to pay some people who are more skillful eventually if needed
676 2011-02-10 07:17:57 <alystair> so you need 'starting capital'
677 2011-02-10 07:18:12 <alystair> and the only way to do that is to generate them yourself or buy  them from someone else
678 2011-02-10 07:18:26 <dissipate> prax, what are you trying to build exactly?
679 2011-02-10 07:18:44 <prax> dont feel like typing it all
680 2011-02-10 07:18:51 <dissipate> alystair, of course they would need starting capital. they would buy some initial pool of bitcoins.
681 2011-02-10 07:18:52 <prax> store/niche resource
682 2011-02-10 07:19:06 <prax> ecigs
683 2011-02-10 07:19:14 <alystair> niche like limited edition pokemon? :P
684 2011-02-10 07:19:22 <dissipate> prax, you could do it in pyjamas and web2py
685 2011-02-10 07:19:25 <prax> but there is some tricks to it i wont get into now
686 2011-02-10 07:19:28 <slush> jgarzik: yes, "Connection: keep alive" is possible. It would be great if miners use it
687 2011-02-10 07:19:38 <prax> yea I should get back to work ^_^
688 2011-02-10 07:19:40 <prax> errr or sleep
689 2011-02-10 07:19:55 <prax> reading this book called Rework it's great
690 2011-02-10 07:20:04 <jgarzik> slush: cpuminer's latest git commit enables persistent HTTP/1.1 connections
691 2011-02-10 07:20:24 <lfm> Server not found
692 2011-02-10 07:20:43 <lfm> 
693 2011-02-10 07:20:59 <lfm> 
694 2011-02-10 07:21:03 <lfm> 
695 2011-02-10 07:21:09 <lfm> 
696 2011-02-10 07:21:12 <slush> jgarzik: great!
697 2011-02-10 07:21:16 <joe_1> prax where is the book and wahts it about
698 2011-02-10 07:21:21 <lfm> 
699 2011-02-10 07:21:33 <lfm> 
700 2011-02-10 07:21:42 <lfm> 
701 2011-02-10 07:21:45 <lfm> 
702 2011-02-10 07:21:54 <lfm> Firefox can't find the server at www.pyjs.org.
703 2011-02-10 07:21:56 <lfm> oops sorry bout the blank linbes
704 2011-02-10 07:21:58 <joe_1> dont worry about it we're all drunk too
705 2011-02-10 07:22:01 <prax> its a for pay book
706 2011-02-10 07:22:05 <prax> um the pdf didnt convert well so I had to download a .mobi reader
707 2011-02-10 07:22:07 <prax> but it was worth it
708 2011-02-10 07:22:14 <lfm> alystair: um diff * 2^32 / 600 perhaps   hash/sec
709 2011-02-10 07:22:15 <prax> entrepreneurship type thing
710 2011-02-10 07:24:02 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.09,"low":0.82,"vol":51076,"buy":1.0419,"sell":1.09,"last":1.0899}}
711 2011-02-10 07:24:02 <lfm> ;;bc,mtgox
712 2011-02-10 07:37:10 <oink_> ji
713 2011-02-10 07:37:16 <oink_> hi*
714 2011-02-10 07:41:14 <Mango-chan> ;;bc,mtgox
715 2011-02-10 07:41:15 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.09,"low":0.82,"vol":51101,"buy":1.0421,"sell":1.0898,"last":1.0418}}
716 2011-02-10 07:42:40 <lfm> so all we need now is for Steven Colbert to do a bit about bitcoin
717 2011-02-10 07:42:56 <noagendamarket> or oprah
718 2011-02-10 07:42:57 <noagendamarket> :)
719 2011-02-10 07:43:32 <Mango-chan> "bitpoin protects child abuse!"
720 2011-02-10 07:43:34 <Mango-chan> instant oprah
721 2011-02-10 07:43:51 <lfm> not sure if Opra's audience is as tech savy as Steven's
722 2011-02-10 07:44:43 <dissipate> wow, a whole lot of ignorance in that ycombinator thread
723 2011-02-10 07:44:54 <dissipate> and i thought they were supposed to be smart hackers
724 2011-02-10 07:45:37 <Mango-chan> lambda calculus?
725 2011-02-10 07:46:40 <dissipate> oops, wrong room
726 2011-02-10 07:46:41 <lfm> as they say a lot of "hackers" are really just script kiddies
727 2011-02-10 07:47:03 <dissipate> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2200705
728 2011-02-10 07:48:31 <Mango-chan> 
729 2011-02-10 07:48:32 <Mango-chan> lol
730 2011-02-10 07:50:20 <oink_> hehehe its every 4 years  its halved doh lol
731 2011-02-10 07:50:34 <lfm> well it is true Satoshi made some decisions while he was designing bitcoin
732 2011-02-10 07:50:49 <Mango-chan> 
733 2011-02-10 07:50:49 <Mango-chan> 1 point by 0x6763 2 hours ago | link
734 2011-02-10 07:51:20 <da2ce7> ;;bc,mtgox
735 2011-02-10 07:51:20 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.09,"low":0.82,"vol":51101,"buy":1.0432,"sell":1.0896,"last":1.0418}}
736 2011-02-10 07:51:57 <dissipate> Mango-chan, actually, if even a handful of people ran modded clients, they could build on their own block chain in parallel.
737 2011-02-10 07:52:18 <dissipate> they could set their own difficulty etc.
738 2011-02-10 07:52:23 <lfm> the point they miss is it isnt really that important that the number is 21 million, the important point is that there is a limit
739 2011-02-10 07:53:50 <lfm> it could be a different number without changeing bitcoin significantly
740 2011-02-10 07:54:16 <dissipate> lfm, reminds me of the argument people make about there not being enough gold to back the entire economy. they forget that the value of a currency rises to the demand over time.
741 2011-02-10 07:54:48 <prax> we do need more decimals though
742 2011-02-10 07:54:58 <prax> what is going to change in 0.20?
743 2011-02-10 07:55:56 <lfm> or people who claim bitcoin isnt REAL cuz it is virtual or cuz it isnt backed by anything they can recognize or anyone. then I just point em at mtgox.com and ask them to explain it
744 2011-02-10 07:55:57 <dissipate> i don't understand why they don't use arbitrary precision and just limit it to whatever is needed at any given time.
745 2011-02-10 07:57:08 <lfm> dissipate: I suspect the two digit limitation will not really last too long. that isnt hard to change without changing anything essential
746 2011-02-10 07:57:54 <dissipate> lfm, you have GMP (gnu bignum library), and as far as i know JSON allows arbitrary precision. what else do you need?
747 2011-02-10 07:58:00 <lfm> seriously tho even the real penny is in danger of being discontinued
748 2011-02-10 07:58:24 <prax> diss one more dumb question before I look at the web2py thing
749 2011-02-10 07:58:39 <prax> I can do stuff like this?
750 2011-02-10 07:58:42 <prax> http://isotope.metafizzy.co/index.html
751 2011-02-10 07:59:15 <lfm> dissipate: the json rcp lib is not the central limit, that is an addon. the central bitcoin chain of blocks is hard coded for the microcents limit
752 2011-02-10 08:00:31 <prax> you mean the .00000001 limit or whatever?
753 2011-02-10 08:00:42 <lfm> ya
754 2011-02-10 08:00:46 <prax> part of the bit limitation right
755 2011-02-10 08:01:37 <dissipate> lfm, why can't that use GMP??
756 2011-02-10 08:02:25 <lfm> well they could and they do use some stuff equivalent for the 256 bit tagret comparisons
757 2011-02-10 08:02:56 <dissipate> prax, actually, i am not sure, i have not done animations in pyjamas. i know it has Canvas which does have some animation capability though.
758 2011-02-10 08:03:12 <lfm> but the basic block chain now stored on every node and every transaction is coded with the microcents limit and it would be pretty hard to change now