1 2011-02-11 00:00:48 <lfm> genjix: try putting -configdir on a SSD
  2 2011-02-11 00:01:55 <genjix> not possible :p
  3 2011-02-11 00:02:17 <luke-jr> so if people start moving to Mars, will BitCoin remain viable?
  4 2011-02-11 00:02:30 <lfm> hehe how can you say that. its "possible" grin
  5 2011-02-11 00:02:41 <luke-jr> or rather, how would it cope?
  6 2011-02-11 00:02:50 <luke-jr> separate planetary bitcoin chains?
  7 2011-02-11 00:02:57 <lfm> luke-jr: light speed lag is prolly a killer, mars will need a forked bitcoin
  8 2011-02-11 00:03:49 <luke-jr> with a little more design work, BitCoin could have possibly supported chain forks and merges
  9 2011-02-11 00:04:08 <lfm> or make a special interplanetary bitcoin with one block per day and it takes 6 days to confirm
 10 2011-02-11 00:05:10 <genjix> it's funny cos people on mars in a century will be a real problem
 11 2011-02-11 00:05:23 <genjix> like researchers on antartica today
 12 2011-02-11 00:05:26 <luke-jr> as soon as we have multiple chains, though, that's over 21 million
 13 2011-02-11 00:05:37 <lfm> genjix: but they might not need money, star trek had no money
 14 2011-02-11 00:05:51 <luke-jr> genjix: apparently NASA just launched a program for companies to fund Mars colonies, and sell property
 15 2011-02-11 00:06:14 <genjix> nasa plans to land people on mars by mid 2030
 16 2011-02-11 00:06:23 <genjix> other countries are also competing
 17 2011-02-11 00:06:34 <genjix> praise robert zubrin + mars direct
 18 2011-02-11 00:06:38 <lfm> nasa had plans to land people on mars in 1982
 19 2011-02-11 00:06:51 <grzywacz> luke-jr, url?
 20 2011-02-11 00:07:08 <luke-jr> http://www.space.com/10819-mars-private-funding-manned-mission.html
 21 2011-02-11 00:07:19 <genjix> lfm: that's a different story
 22 2011-02-11 00:07:43 <lfm> so they will have plans to land people on mars in 2140 also
 23 2011-02-11 00:08:09 <lfm> same story
 24 2011-02-11 00:08:22 <luke-jr> lfm: probably, when man does move to Mars, it will be a non-government org operating illegally
 25 2011-02-11 00:08:36 <luke-jr> with the plan being to leave international airspace before anyone can stop them
 26 2011-02-11 00:08:37 <Kiba> illegally?
 27 2011-02-11 00:09:18 <lfm> way easier to send a missile after them than to send a manned craft
 28 2011-02-11 00:09:53 <citiz3n> the US wasn't able to stop that chinese missile :P
 29 2011-02-11 00:10:17 <citiz3n> well norad prolly told them to stand down like on 9/11
 30 2011-02-11 00:11:21 <T_X> :)
 31 2011-02-11 00:11:27 <T_X> DON'T PANIC!!!
 32 2011-02-11 00:12:31 <lfm> here
 33 2011-02-11 00:12:46 <luke-jr> how about you guys help me build a colony on Mars, and I'll bring all the Tonal users with me?
 34 2011-02-11 00:13:25 <lfm> luke-jr: good idea Ill donate tonal 0.000001 btc
 35 2011-02-11 00:13:34 <luke-jr> lfm: how?
 36 2011-02-11 00:13:41 <lfm> when I have to
 37 2011-02-11 00:13:47 <luke-jr> wait
 38 2011-02-11 00:13:51 <luke-jr> that makes no sense
 39 2011-02-11 00:13:54 <andrew12> lol
 40 2011-02-11 00:14:03 <luke-jr> the number 0.000001 in tonal, but a quantity of BTC?
 41 2011-02-11 00:15:22 <lfm> ok you got me, i dont understand tonal, and please dont try to explain
 42 2011-02-11 00:15:46 <prax> I refuse to use tonal until they change "go" to 5
 43 2011-02-11 00:15:49 <luke-jr> lfm: you just specified a quantity of 0.000000059604644775390625 base units&
 44 2011-02-11 00:16:10 <lfm> sounds about like what its worth
 45 2011-02-11 00:16:15 <luke-jr> prax: change 4 to 5? why?
 46 2011-02-11 00:16:32 <prax> same as japanese then
 47 2011-02-11 00:16:42 <lfm> 1 2 3 4 go is so natural
 48 2011-02-11 00:16:44 <luke-jr> ichi ni san shi go
 49 2011-02-11 00:16:46 <luke-jr> oh, yeah
 50 2011-02-11 00:17:30 <luke-jr> prax: but "they" is dead. dead people can't change things
 51 2011-02-11 00:17:39 <gavinandresen> I'm so close, yet so far away...  getting bitcoin 0.3.20 to run on Windows....
 52 2011-02-11 00:17:52 <gavinandresen> Anybody know about Visual C++'s debugging malloc?
 53 2011-02-11 00:17:55 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: I do not envy you.
 54 2011-02-11 00:18:33 <prax> who is they afterall
 55 2011-02-11 00:18:55 <luke-jr> John W. Nystrom
 56 2011-02-11 00:19:13 <luke-jr> Swedish-American civil engineer, inventor, and author
 57 2011-02-11 00:19:15 <gavinandresen> In particular, I'm getting an assertion error in dbgheap.c -- maybe because I screwed up and built one of the dependencies wrong?
 58 2011-02-11 00:19:20 <luke-jr> who lived in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
 59 2011-02-11 00:19:43 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: you *did* build *all* the deps with VC++, right?
 60 2011-02-11 00:19:50 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: IIRC, mingw libs don't mix with VC++
 61 2011-02-11 00:19:58 <andrew12> *did* *all*
 62 2011-02-11 00:20:14 <prax> somebody ought to subject it to linguistic evaluation
 63 2011-02-11 00:20:23 <gavinandresen> Yeah... I KNOW I built wxWidgets and openssl with VC++.  I might have screwed up the berkeley db build
 64 2011-02-11 00:20:23 <prax> otherwise it is a good idea, just hard to learn new stuff
 65 2011-02-11 00:20:24 <andrew12> VC++ is nasty.
 66 2011-02-11 00:20:53 <gavinandresen> andrew12: If you want to volunteer to get bitcoin building with mingw......
 67 2011-02-11 00:21:11 <andrew12> I can try :P
 68 2011-02-11 00:21:35 <andrew12> is there a way to build mingw under linux? ;)
 69 2011-02-11 00:21:53 <gavinandresen> andrew12: yes, jgarzik and I were trying to get it cross-compiling
 70 2011-02-11 00:22:04 <andrew12> oic
 71 2011-02-11 00:22:10 <gavinandresen> andrew12:  I got stuck on openssl, though
 72 2011-02-11 00:22:45 <gavinandresen> (latest Fedora has a nice mingw32 cross-compile environment, but doesn't have an ECDSA-capable openssl)
 73 2011-02-11 00:23:15 <andrew12> hmm
 74 2011-02-11 00:23:21 <luke-jr> prax: the pronunciations are, IMO, the biggest problem with tonal
 75 2011-02-11 00:23:33 <luke-jr> prax: especially by, vy, fy
 76 2011-02-11 00:23:54 <lfm> i dont think thats the biggest problem
 77 2011-02-11 00:23:59 <gavinandresen> andrew12:  and, actually, I never got as far as trying to compile wxWidgets in that mingw32-cross-compiling environment
 78 2011-02-11 00:24:58 <luke-jr> lfm: you haven't bothered to even read the book, let alone learn it
 79 2011-02-11 00:26:02 <lfm> luke-jr: you know that in the 1880s the usa government made a resolution to change over to the metric sytem? That should give you a rough idea of what your chances are for tonal
 80 2011-02-11 00:26:37 <luke-jr> lfm: not quite. metric is inherently flawed, and worse than the imperial units.
 81 2011-02-11 00:26:47 <luke-jr> tonal is *easier* than both
 82 2011-02-11 00:27:01 <lfm> ok, it should give you an idea but it wont
 83 2011-02-11 00:28:21 <luke-jr> lfm: the USA abandoned that resolution for good reasons
 84 2011-02-11 00:28:42 <luke-jr> lfm: also, do you think the USA is going to up and adopt bitcoin?
 85 2011-02-11 00:28:48 <luke-jr> does that affect its success?
 86 2011-02-11 00:29:15 <genjix> why're you so obsessed about a number system?
 87 2011-02-11 00:29:27 <lfm> I dont think they abandoned the reolution, in fact they have reaffirmed it a few times
 88 2011-02-11 00:29:30 <genjix> i'm not lobbying bitcoin main page to be esperanto by default
 89 2011-02-11 00:29:45 <gavinandresen> luke-jr was born with 8 fingers on each hand.
 90 2011-02-11 00:29:45 <midnightmagic> I AM! I demand the front page be in LOJBAN!
 91 2011-02-11 00:29:53 <genjix> eventhough a few of us here do
 92 2011-02-11 00:30:02 <genjix> lojban sucks :p
 93 2011-02-11 00:30:03 <midnightmagic> you know my friend has an ex-fiance who was born a polydactyl
 94 2011-02-11 00:30:08 <lfm> I want it in Klingon
 95 2011-02-11 00:30:13 <luke-jr> genjix: I'm not. However, the only purpose of BitCoin, from my standpoint, is to have something we can use for Tonal.
 96 2011-02-11 00:30:19 <midnightmagic> 6 fingers. she had the smallest one removed, and now it looks like an alien hand when she holds her hands up.
 97 2011-02-11 00:30:29 <luke-jr> lfm: ok, then it *failed* for good reason
 98 2011-02-11 00:30:31 <midnightmagic> it looks like her pinky was removed, but when you count her fingers, there's 5 of them.
 99 2011-02-11 00:30:43 <genjix> have sex with her
100 2011-02-11 00:30:52 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: actually, our two hands make counting in Tonal more optimal than Decimal ;)
101 2011-02-11 00:30:58 <lfm> luke and the rest of the world is nuts for adopting metric I spoze
102 2011-02-11 00:31:20 <luke-jr> since there are 4 fingers per hand which can be controlled indepdently, and 4+4 bits per Tonal digit
103 2011-02-11 00:31:33 <luke-jr> lfm: just more dedicated to the cause ;)
104 2011-02-11 00:31:49 <genjix> i won't comment since i don't know... but imperial is most definetly much more terrible than metric.
105 2011-02-11 00:32:22 <gavinandresen> Yeah, that whole '18 ounces in a furlong' is whack.
106 2011-02-11 00:32:36 <luke-jr> genjix: certain parts of imperial are worse than metric, but other parts are far better
107 2011-02-11 00:32:42 <lfm> genjix: you know imperial volumes are based on binary? multiples of 2 and 4
108 2011-02-11 00:32:51 <luke-jr> for example, quantities of fluids are binary
109 2011-02-11 00:33:00 <genjix> don't care. our number system is base 10.
110 2011-02-11 00:33:06 <luke-jr> genjix: that's half the problem
111 2011-02-11 00:33:31 <xelister> luke-jr: will you cut the tonal crap
112 2011-02-11 00:35:05 <andrew12> i want a base 2 number system pl0x
113 2011-02-11 00:35:10 <lfm> luke do you know a gallon is different sizes in different countries?
114 2011-02-11 00:35:11 <genjix> luke-jr: i can count to 99 on my 2 hands
115 2011-02-11 00:35:19 <genjix> lfm: a billion too ^^
116 2011-02-11 00:35:26 <lfm> and a mile
117 2011-02-11 00:35:45 <genjix> uk billion = 10^9
118 2011-02-11 00:35:49 <luke-jr> lfm: not officially anymore
119 2011-02-11 00:35:51 <genjix> us billion = 10^12
120 2011-02-11 00:36:01 <luke-jr> genjix: you have that backward
121 2011-02-11 00:36:07 <luke-jr> US billion = 10^9
122 2011-02-11 00:36:13 <genjix> ok, maybe
123 2011-02-11 00:36:13 <luke-jr> UK billion = until recently 10^12
124 2011-02-11 00:36:25 <genjix> i just remember having an argument with an american
125 2011-02-11 00:36:27 <lfm> luke ok they reconciled the different miles by inventing a new one in between the old ones
126 2011-02-11 00:36:29 <luke-jr> andrew12: base 2 works for counting, but not for writing. Hence Tonal
127 2011-02-11 00:36:33 <genjix> we was using different billions
128 2011-02-11 00:36:57 <luke-jr> lfm: imperial measurements are a joke, with exception only to having a sane standard length
129 2011-02-11 00:37:53 <lfm> yes, the lenght of 3 barley kernels laying end to end is indeed a sane standard length
130 2011-02-11 00:38:04 <luke-jr> "For most of the 19th and 20th centuries, the United Kingdom uniformly used the long scale,[3] while the United States of America used the short scale,[3] so that usage of the two systems was often referred to as British and American respectively. In 1974, the government of the UK switched to the short scale, a change that is reflected in its mass media and official usage.[4][5][6][7] Although some residual usage of the long scale continues in
131 2011-02-11 00:38:05 <luke-jr> the UK,[8] the phrases British usage and American usage are no longer accurate nor helpful characterisations."
132 2011-02-11 00:39:21 <xelister> so the tonal is basically using base16 haxa system?
133 2011-02-11 00:39:34 <xelister> with writting a power in nam
134 2011-02-11 00:39:36 <xelister> name
135 2011-02-11 00:39:39 <citiz3n> ;;bc,mtgox
136 2011-02-11 00:39:39 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.1,"low":0.8,"vol":26307,"buy":0.9301,"sell":0.9799,"last":0.9799}}
137 2011-02-11 00:39:39 <xelister> how is that helpfull, again?
138 2011-02-11 00:39:43 <luke-jr> xelister: except, designed for use by ordinary people, and includes units and division/multipliers
139 2011-02-11 00:39:53 <xelister> so...?
140 2011-02-11 00:40:14 <xelister> how it is more practical or something then normal decimanl
141 2011-02-11 00:40:28 <luke-jr> xelister: there are many benefits to the tonal system, many of which are detailed in the book
142 2011-02-11 00:40:53 <lfm> and there are many drawback which are glossed over in the book
143 2011-02-11 00:41:05 <luke-jr> xelister: more or less, it admits infinite binary division
144 2011-02-11 00:41:24 <luke-jr> lfm: having not read the book, you are ignorant of the fact that SI's comments are published in full
145 2011-02-11 00:41:34 <doublec> what book is this?
146 2011-02-11 00:43:19 <luke-jr> http://www.lulu.com/product/file-download/tonal-system/10991091
147 2011-02-11 00:43:59 <genjix> is there a wiki article?
148 2011-02-11 00:44:14 <luke-jr> not covering the benefits
149 2011-02-11 00:44:17 <xelister> I doubt we need a binary system...
150 2011-02-11 00:44:19 <luke-jr> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonal_System
151 2011-02-11 00:44:46 <xelister> humans prefer to see that coffey costs 9.98   not that it costs 10100101001011101 deca  etc
152 2011-02-11 00:45:09 <luke-jr> xelister: that's why we use Tonal instead of binar
153 2011-02-11 00:45:37 <genjix> why so many of us are into these esoteric interests. me: cellular automata, esperanto, prehistory, urban planning, ...
154 2011-02-11 00:45:44 <genjix> i wonder
155 2011-02-11 00:46:18 <luke-jr> genjix: bitcoin doesn't appeal to most people (yet?)
156 2011-02-11 00:46:22 <genjix> im not deliberately tryng to be fringe :p
157 2011-02-11 00:46:34 <luke-jr> those who it does, tend to think somewhat similarly
158 2011-02-11 00:46:41 <genjix> ic
159 2011-02-11 00:46:54 <luke-jr> for example, most people haven't even heard of hexadecimal, yet most here have
160 2011-02-11 00:47:06 <genjix> but i see many linux users are that way too
161 2011-02-11 00:47:09 <luke-jr> that's a step toward tonal, despite the resistance
162 2011-02-11 00:47:25 <luke-jr> Linux is also not something most people care about :p
163 2011-02-11 00:47:53 <andrew12> "Pull the lever, Kronk"
164 2011-02-11 00:48:38 <doublec> luke-jr: you have convinced me to at least download it and read it
165 2011-02-11 00:48:57 <genjix> same
166 2011-02-11 00:49:05 <luke-jr> cool :
167 2011-02-11 00:49:41 <genjix> ive learnt not to dismiss strange ideas
168 2011-02-11 00:49:50 <luke-jr> keep in mind, the book was written in 1862, before SI existed outside of France
169 2011-02-11 00:50:12 <luke-jr> genjix: that may very well be the factor common to most Linux/BitCoin/etc users ;)\n231560
170 2011-02-11 00:52:37 <genjix> - 2 million speakers (same as that of a small country like estonia)
171 2011-02-11 00:52:54 <genjix> - neutral language (international)
172 2011-02-11 00:53:04 <luke-jr> genjix: why esperanto, rather than lojban?
173 2011-02-11 00:53:08 <genjix> - very easy to learn (took me 2 weeks to be speaker)
174 2011-02-11 00:53:35 <genjix> - flexible. you can build expressions from it's genious system that I can't express in English (or with difficulty)
175 2011-02-11 00:53:35 <luke-jr> hmm
176 2011-02-11 00:53:38 <luke-jr> that does sound easy
177 2011-02-11 00:53:59 <genjix> go on lojban mailing list. they speak english and how to make it better. has about 30 speakers worldwide.
178 2011-02-11 00:54:21 <genjix> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX7DYeiNyzY
179 2011-02-11 00:54:40 <genjix> ^ whereas as you can see there... esperanto lives.
180 2011-02-11 00:54:49 <genjix> also #esperanto XD
181 2011-02-11 00:55:17 <prax> speak some esperanto to us lol
182 2011-02-11 00:55:38 <genjix> we also have 6 bitcoiners speaking it: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1568.0
183 2011-02-11 00:55:46 <genjix> ----------
184 2011-02-11 00:56:25 <genjix> iru al la listo de lojbano. ili parolas angle pri kiel plibonigi gin. gi havas 30 parolantojn tutmonde.
185 2011-02-11 00:57:28 <genjix> ^ tamen tiel vi povas vidi... esperanto vivas.
186 2011-02-11 00:57:36 <genjix> ankam #esperanto XD
187 2011-02-11 00:57:47 <luke-jr> genjix: how do you say "How does one patch KDE 2 under FreeBSD?"
188 2011-02-11 00:57:57 <genjix> ni ankam havas 6 da bitcoinantoj kiuj parolas
189 2011-02-11 00:58:49 <luke-jr> &
190 2011-02-11 00:58:50 <genjix> genjix: kiel oni diras: kiel oni fiksas KDE2 sub FreeBSD
191 2011-02-11 00:59:15 <luke-jr> :D
192 2011-02-11 00:59:29 <luke-jr> genjix: are you familiar with the meme?
193 2011-02-11 00:59:41 <genjix> no
194 2011-02-11 00:59:59 <luke-jr> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_does_one_patch_KDE2_under_FreeBSD%3F
195 2011-02-11 01:00:02 <genjix> esperanto is also growing because of the internet.
196 2011-02-11 01:00:15 <luke-jr> genjix: wtf did the ##esperanto guy say?
197 2011-02-11 01:00:20 <genjix> who?
198 2011-02-11 01:00:50 <luke-jr> [20:59:47] <lukaso666> luke-jr
199 2011-02-11 01:01:23 <genjix> haha hilarious (the wiki)
200 2011-02-11 01:02:05 <genjix> you appeared just at the right moment when we were talking about something more important than KDE
201 2011-02-11 01:02:13 <luke-jr> lol
202 2011-02-11 01:02:37 <genjix> (luke correctly you appeared when we was-talking about something more fun than KDE)
203 2011-02-11 01:03:06 <genjix> they mean light-hearted not important
204 2011-02-11 01:03:57 <luke-jr> :p
205 2011-02-11 01:04:43 <genjix> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4JO7wFvOxM < song in esperanto
206 2011-02-11 01:11:14 <Kiba> harsh burn
207 2011-02-11 01:12:29 <prax> got distracted sorry
208 2011-02-11 01:12:32 <prax> sounds liek
209 2011-02-11 01:12:36 <prax> Italian
210 2011-02-11 01:14:45 <Kiba> BURN!
211 2011-02-11 01:14:54 <Kiba> hhoooooooooooot
212 2011-02-11 01:15:08 <luke-jr> Kiba: you are anti-Esperanto?
213 2011-02-11 01:15:13 <Kiba> no
214 2011-02-11 01:15:27 <doublec> I'm sure kiba would accept an esperanto article for the bitcoin weekly...
215 2011-02-11 01:15:31 <doublec> even a tonal one
216 2011-02-11 01:15:43 <Kiba> for bitcoin!
217 2011-02-11 01:16:39 <Diablo-D3> so
218 2011-02-11 01:16:45 <Diablo-D3> yoda speaks in reverse polish notation
219 2011-02-11 01:17:18 <luke-jr> you just realized that?
220 2011-02-11 01:17:33 <Diablo-D3> well, yes
221 2011-02-11 01:17:55 <Diablo-D3> Ive been parodying his style all my life
222 2011-02-11 01:18:03 <Diablo-D3> but I just went to make a programmer joke with it
223 2011-02-11 01:18:22 <Diablo-D3> two seperate groups of neurons that were never meant to meet did
224 2011-02-11 01:18:28 <Diablo-D3> the result was not hilarious
225 2011-02-11 01:22:45 <genjix> luke-jr: tonal is hexadecimal?
226 2011-02-11 01:23:57 <luke-jr> genjix: not identical, but similar
227 2011-02-11 01:24:07 <genjix> yoda speaks in the least common word order worldwide OSV
228 2011-02-11 01:24:09 <luke-jr> genjix: tonal is hexadecimal suitable for real-world use by average people
229 2011-02-11 01:58:07 <sgornick> Mahkul is offering a 50 BTC Bounty for figuring out his ubuntu Jack audio issue: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3338.0
230 2011-02-11 01:58:31 <Diablo-D3> thats easy
231 2011-02-11 01:58:34 <Diablo-D3> install a BFS kernel
232 2011-02-11 01:58:36 <Diablo-D3> problems olved
233 2011-02-11 02:02:20 <gavinandresen> Anybody have VC++ 2010 and are willing to do me a favor?  I need upgraded Berkeley DB project (dsp) files, and VCExpress won't upgrade (and I'm not going to pay for VC++)
234 2011-02-11 02:02:53 <Hackbat> I think QR codes would be the best way to do inworld bitcoin transfers
235 2011-02-11 02:03:10 <Hackbat> well I can maybe get you a full version
236 2011-02-11 02:03:15 <Hackbat> like legit
237 2011-02-11 02:03:23 <Hackbat> I'm not going to use it
238 2011-02-11 02:03:35 <Hackbat> and it's offered to me
239 2011-02-11 02:03:58 <gavinandresen> Hackbat: that'd work, as long as it IS legit.
240 2011-02-11 02:04:17 <Hackbat> full key and all
241 2011-02-11 02:04:49 <presence> grrr still no hash win
242 2011-02-11 02:55:15 <andrew12> stupid netsplit
243 2011-02-11 02:55:25 <andrew12> left me in here with 6 people :(
244 2011-02-11 03:00:37 <luke-jr> lol
245 2011-02-11 03:05:48 <noagendamarket> Im so ronery ...
246 2011-02-11 03:06:53 <andrew12> wut
247 2011-02-11 03:10:19 <prax> what do you guys think about this deal?
248 2011-02-11 03:10:29 <prax> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?SID=u0t0f0fp46777c0s701&AID=10440897&PID=1225267&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-cables-_-na-_-na&ItemList=Combo.597415
249 2011-02-11 03:10:49 <prax> I have some crappy Compaq system ATM with only PCI-E 1.0 though
250 2011-02-11 03:11:03 <prax> going to upgrade but just dont have the cashflow yet
251 2011-02-11 03:17:01 <luke-jr> "Bitcoin transactions on the network itself: around 10,000 BTC per hour"
252 2011-02-11 03:17:09 <luke-jr> who wrote this? I'm pretty sure it's false&
253 2011-02-11 03:17:29 <luke-jr> #bitcoin-monitor would need to have 2-3 tx per second
254 2011-02-11 03:21:40 <jgarzik> luke-jr: look on bitcoinwatch for average per hour
255 2011-02-11 03:22:00 <Syke> prax, stay away from the 6xxx series. get like a 5870 for just a few dollars more, with 50% higher performance
256 2011-02-11 03:24:05 <prax> think I might just hold out yeah, I really need a whole system
257 2011-02-11 03:26:33 <AAA_awright> Nice, it hit Slashdot again
258 2011-02-11 03:26:47 <Kiba> late to the part aren't ya, AAA_awright
259 2011-02-11 03:27:25 <AAA_awright> What part?
260 2011-02-11 03:27:45 <AAA_awright> :-/ I see a bunch of idling in this channel
261 2011-02-11 03:28:31 <doublec> all the discussion goes on it bitcoin-otc these days for some reason
262 2011-02-11 03:36:05 <dx25> if you have two 5970's how do you use aticonfig to control the second card's fan?
263 2011-02-11 03:36:51 <dx25> tried aticonfig --pplib-cmd "set fanspeed 1 100" and got execution failed
264 2011-02-11 03:37:35 <da2ce7> Houdy
265 2011-02-11 03:38:37 <afed> yeshello
266 2011-02-11 03:40:28 <dx25> ;;bc,estimate
267 2011-02-11 03:40:28 <gribble> 32512.50386071
268 2011-02-11 03:40:42 <dx25> ;;bc,stats
269 2011-02-11 03:40:44 <gribble> Current Blocks: 107385 | Current Difficulty: 25997.87992881 | Next Difficulty At Block: 108863 | Next Difficulty In: 1478 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 5 hours, 28 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 32512.50386071
270 2011-02-11 03:43:36 <afed> that diff is insane
271 2011-02-11 03:43:43 <afed> up up and up
272 2011-02-11 03:44:03 <dx25> yup.  but not as insane as the market price
273 2011-02-11 04:13:54 <afed> love backdooring unix sluts
274 2011-02-11 04:14:26 <redukt> same
275 2011-02-11 04:14:52 <redukt> also valid: remotely.exploitable.unixsluts.com
276 2011-02-11 04:25:59 <Mango-chan> http://i.imgur.com/Z3AdT.jpg anyone have any tips on how to improve airflows
277 2011-02-11 04:26:39 <Mango-chan> http://i.imgur.com/Z3AdT.jpg
278 2011-02-11 04:28:16 <nevezen> that's a giant cpu heatsink..
279 2011-02-11 04:29:36 <da2ce7> :P
280 2011-02-11 04:30:17 <da2ce7> my computer is much more simple, designed for low noise, (as it is in my room)... still can have a 5970 @ 800 with bareable noise.
281 2011-02-11 05:55:20 <LobsterMan> so i am getting an error trying to send ~12 btc...
282 2011-02-11 05:55:33 <LobsterMan> can i wait this out somehow?
283 2011-02-11 06:14:58 <midnightmagic_> send fewer BTC and let the rest be spent on tx fees?
284 2011-02-11 06:15:34 <LobsterMan> yeah...i figured it out
285 2011-02-11 06:16:02 <midnightmagic_> thanks for the update..
286 2011-02-11 06:16:34 <LobsterMan> :P
287 2011-02-11 06:28:03 <Mango-chan> [21:30:02] <da2ce7> my computer is much more simple, designed for low noise, (as it is in my room)... still can have a 5970 @ 800 with bareable noise.
288 2011-02-11 06:28:05 <Mango-chan> what hardware?
289 2011-02-11 06:50:11 <ntosme2> is Bitcoin IPv6-compatible?
290 2011-02-11 06:52:07 <ArtForz> no
291 2011-02-11 06:53:12 <ntosme2> that would, in most cases, solve the NAT port-forwarding issue
292 2011-02-11 07:35:50 <Sirius> rescaling server, short downtime may occur
293 2011-02-11 07:56:18 <echelon> is it safe to keep your money in an ewallet like bcm or mtgox?
294 2011-02-11 07:56:44 <sgornick> ;;bc,wiki eWallet
295 2011-02-11 07:56:45 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/EWallet | 6 Feb 2011 ... An eWallet is an online account with an external provider where bitcoins can be stored. Examples include accounts on currency exchange ...
296 2011-02-11 07:56:55 <sgornick> echelon: ^^  see "risks"
297 2011-02-11 07:57:07 <echelon> thanks
298 2011-02-11 07:57:25 <echelon> hdd failure is a risk
299 2011-02-11 07:57:48 <echelon> if you have it in your own wallet, you can just back it up in a million different places
300 2011-02-11 08:30:12 <da2ce7> ;;bc,stats
301 2011-02-11 08:30:14 <gribble> Current Blocks: 107420 | Current Difficulty: 25997.87992881 | Next Difficulty At Block: 108863 | Next Difficulty In: 1443 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 1 hour, 12 minutes, and 6 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 32448.39310673
302 2011-02-11 08:34:12 <al__> ;;bc,stats
303 2011-02-11 08:34:13 <gribble> Current Blocks: 107420 | Current Difficulty: 25997.87992881 | Next Difficulty At Block: 108863 | Next Difficulty In: 1443 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 1 hour, 12 minutes, and 6 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 32448.39310673
304 2011-02-11 08:35:22 <da2ce7> Mango-chan, 955 undervolted, Enermax PSU, 5970 undervolted, big case with big slow spining fans.
305 2011-02-11 08:45:11 <al__> ;;bc,poolstats
306 2011-02-11 08:45:12 <gribble> {"active_workers": 471, "ghashes_ps": "39.646", "getwork_ps": 181}
307 2011-02-11 08:45:50 <al__> ;;bc,nexttarget
308 2011-02-11 08:45:51 <gribble> 108863
309 2011-02-11 10:20:13 <UukGoblin> bitcoin sellers of the world, unite! let's collectively force the price to $10 and refuse to sell for less, I want to be rich! ;-P
310 2011-02-11 10:21:17 <necrodearia> I'll upvote it ^_^
311 2011-02-11 10:21:22 <UukGoblin> that'd make me poor, not rich ;-]
312 2011-02-11 10:21:33 <necrodearia> Actually, it depends
313 2011-02-11 10:21:44 <necrodearia> If you receive 8 upvotes, you will have recovered your monies
314 2011-02-11 10:21:47 <UukGoblin> yeah I don't trust that 'depends' stuff
315 2011-02-11 10:21:54 <necrodearia> Aww
316 2011-02-11 10:21:56 <necrodearia> okay
317 2011-02-11 10:21:59 <UukGoblin> that's what all salesmen say ;-]
318 2011-02-11 10:22:05 <necrodearia> I'll plagiarize your words and post it myself ^_^
319 2011-02-11 10:22:08 <necrodearia> Muhahahahahahaha
320 2011-02-11 10:22:21 <UukGoblin> go for it
321 2011-02-11 10:22:24 <necrodearia> I'm too lazy
322 2011-02-11 10:22:26 <UukGoblin> see how much you earn
323 2011-02-11 10:22:45 <UukGoblin> if you make $1M out of it, I'll get my lawyers and sue you ;-]
324 2011-02-11 10:23:03 <necrodearia> Well, luckily the amount I make will be in witcoins and not usd
325 2011-02-11 10:23:46 <necrodearia> However... if I make 1 witcoin from it and at a future date when one bitcoin == us$1mil, will you then sue me?
326 2011-02-11 10:24:59 <RBecker> 1 mil for a bitcoin? We'd all be rich!
327 2011-02-11 10:25:21 <UukGoblin> that can actually happen
328 2011-02-11 10:25:29 <UukGoblin> and did happen in zimbabwe
329 2011-02-11 10:25:34 <UukGoblin> and didn't make anyone rich ;-]
330 2011-02-11 10:25:44 <RBecker> what does everyone here use for trading?
331 2011-02-11 10:25:53 <RBecker> exchanging, rather
332 2011-02-11 10:25:57 <UukGoblin> money
333 2011-02-11 10:26:05 <RBecker> i mean what website
334 2011-02-11 10:26:17 <UukGoblin> my grandpa's grandpa used bottle caps but I stick to money
335 2011-02-11 10:26:30 <RBecker> my friend told me about mtgox
336 2011-02-11 10:26:48 <UukGoblin> RBecker, there's mtgox, bitcoin market, bitcoin central, bitcoin otc and more
337 2011-02-11 10:26:52 <RBecker> lots
338 2011-02-11 10:26:59 <UukGoblin> mtgox is the most popular I believe
339 2011-02-11 10:27:08 <tcatm> bitcoincharts.com has a nice overview
340 2011-02-11 10:28:34 <UukGoblin> RBecker, are you looking to buy or to sell? :-]
341 2011-02-11 10:28:49 <RBecker> sell once I generate some
342 2011-02-11 10:29:08 <RBecker> I'm gonna let BOINC finish off its tasks then do bitcoin
343 2011-02-11 10:29:28 <UukGoblin> have you got a graphics card?
344 2011-02-11 10:29:30 <RBecker> I was getting 6200 something khash/s
345 2011-02-11 10:29:37 <RBecker> UukGoblin, I do
346 2011-02-11 10:29:40 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,calc 6200
347 2011-02-11 10:29:41 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 6200 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 29 weeks, 5 days, 10 hours, 41 minutes, and 24 seconds
348 2011-02-11 10:30:25 <RBecker> UukGoblin, I know there are multiple GPU clients, but is there one that can be set to only use the GPU once my computer has been idle for a certain amount of time?
349 2011-02-11 10:30:25 <UukGoblin> pooled mining might be good for you
350 2011-02-11 10:30:53 <UukGoblin> RBecker, dunno, I haven't heard of it
351 2011-02-11 10:30:57 <RBecker> hm
352 2011-02-11 10:31:03 <UukGoblin> are you on windows or linux?
353 2011-02-11 10:31:07 <RBecker> that's the only problem I had with BOINC, rendering became too slow
354 2011-02-11 10:31:09 <RBecker> I'm on Windows
355 2011-02-11 10:31:26 <UukGoblin> ah, can't help you then, sorry
356 2011-02-11 10:31:37 <tcatm> RBecker: maybe you could tweak the python miner to do that
357 2011-02-11 10:31:43 <RBecker> maybe
358 2011-02-11 10:31:53 <UukGoblin> yeah could definitely tweak the existing ones, probably fairly easily
359 2011-02-11 10:31:57 <RBecker> unless it's not so intensive it slows down rendering
360 2011-02-11 10:32:21 <RBecker> that was the only problem with boinc, if I was using my computer and it was doing gpu tasks, rendering would be incredibly slow
361 2011-02-11 10:32:26 <RBecker> for the simplest of application
362 2011-02-11 10:32:27 <RBecker> s
363 2011-02-11 10:33:20 <tcatm> bitcoin mining is even worse. Don't expect to be able to even click the X when mining at hightest efficiency
364 2011-02-11 10:33:33 <RBecker> heh
365 2011-02-11 10:33:46 <RBecker> so you would almost need a dedicated machine for it
366 2011-02-11 10:33:59 <RBecker> nice
367 2011-02-11 10:35:13 <RBecker> moo: gfx: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 768MB
368 2011-02-11 10:36:56 <UukGoblin> that's about 68Mhash/sec according to https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
369 2011-02-11 10:37:08 <RBecker> nice
370 2011-02-11 10:37:56 <RBecker> ;;bc,calc 680000000
371 2011-02-11 10:37:58 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 680000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 2 minutes and 44 seconds
372 2011-02-11 10:38:02 <RBecker> that's not right
373 2011-02-11 10:38:05 <RBecker> ;;bc,calc 680000
374 2011-02-11 10:38:06 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 680000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 1 day, 21 hours, 36 minutes, and 45 seconds
375 2011-02-11 10:38:12 <RBecker> is that ^
376 2011-02-11 10:38:14 <UukGoblin> nope
377 2011-02-11 10:38:16 <RBecker> math was never my forte
378 2011-02-11 10:38:18 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,calc 68000
379 2011-02-11 10:38:19 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 68000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 2 weeks, 5 days, 0 hours, 7 minutes, and 39 seconds
380 2011-02-11 10:38:35 <RBecker> hm, even that's not bad considering it was gonna take 30 weeks of CPU work to generate a block
381 2011-02-11 10:38:46 <UukGoblin> yup
382 2011-02-11 10:38:58 <RBecker> also my card is slightly overclocked
383 2011-02-11 10:38:58 <UukGoblin> still might want to check out pooled mining
384 2011-02-11 11:13:58 <andrew12> noagendamarket: explain your nick.
385 2011-02-11 11:16:50 <andrew12> RBecker: oh there you are
386 2011-02-11 11:16:51 <andrew12> :p
387 2011-02-11 11:16:56 <RBecker> haider
388 2011-02-11 11:17:05 <noagendamarket> andrew12 ?
389 2011-02-11 11:17:36 <andrew12> noagendamarket: how did you come up with your nick?
390 2011-02-11 11:18:13 <andrew12> nevermind. it doesn't matter.
391 2011-02-11 11:18:34 <noagendamarket> nothing exciting to tell
392 2011-02-11 11:19:10 <noagendamarket> I think I posted it in the forum
393 2011-02-11 11:20:38 <andrew12> i was 11 when i made this nick
394 2011-02-11 11:20:55 <andrew12> i'm 14 now
395 2011-02-11 11:21:59 <andrew12> hi mtgox
396 2011-02-11 11:32:47 <GoGi2> how do you get an estimate for generating a block again?
397 2011-02-11 11:32:54 <GoGi2> of time needed?
398 2011-02-11 11:32:58 <GoGi2> ;;help
399 2011-02-11 11:32:58 <gribble> The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/
400 2011-02-11 11:33:14 <RBecker> GoGi2, ;;bc,calc <khash/s>
401 2011-02-11 11:33:23 <GoGi2> ;;bc,calc 3000
402 2011-02-11 11:33:24 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 3000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 1 year, 9 weeks, 2 days, 18 hours, 53 minutes, and 34 seconds
403 2011-02-11 11:33:34 <GoGi2> argh
404 2011-02-11 11:33:35 <Sirius> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3351.0
405 2011-02-11 11:33:55 <Sirius> shamelessly advertising my thread
406 2011-02-11 11:34:23 <comboy> who is author of mt gox?
407 2011-02-11 11:44:13 <edcba> mtgox
408 2011-02-11 11:47:36 <noagendamarket> Sirius :o
409 2011-02-11 12:09:22 <GoGi2> some world government could demand that everyone pay 1% of their bitcoins every day to it
410 2011-02-11 12:12:25 <noagendamarket> yeah good luck with that
411 2011-02-11 12:12:39 <gp5st1> GoGi2: ?
412 2011-02-11 12:13:05 <GoGi2> as every transactions can be seen easily it will be no problem to keep track of which money exactly is "black"
413 2011-02-11 12:13:43 <gp5st1> not if you don't know who it's going to
414 2011-02-11 12:13:46 <noagendamarket> no it wont. tey cant tell who sent money to who unless you publish
415 2011-02-11 12:14:04 <da2ce7> GoGi2, providing there is good mixing sites... such as mybitcoin.com
416 2011-02-11 12:14:08 <da2ce7> there is no problem
417 2011-02-11 12:16:24 <da2ce7> the goverment must keep track of what bitcoin is 'clean'... and assume every other btc is dirty
418 2011-02-11 12:16:40 <da2ce7> the goverment cannot keep track of dirty btc
419 2011-02-11 12:17:13 <edcba> hmm
420 2011-02-11 12:17:19 <edcba> whitelisting bitcoins :)
421 2011-02-11 12:18:00 <edcba> but you can't really do that
422 2011-02-11 12:18:28 <GoGi2> why not?
423 2011-02-11 12:18:36 <GoGi2> every bitcoin starts white
424 2011-02-11 12:18:40 <edcba> as soon as gov is not receiver/sender every 2 transaction for same bitcoin
425 2011-02-11 12:19:06 <GoGi2> and those who do not pay 1% at the 1. of a month to the government address
426 2011-02-11 12:19:17 <GoGi2> are removed from the whitelist
427 2011-02-11 12:20:50 <edcba> ok but i don't see the purpose
428 2011-02-11 12:21:10 <edcba> someone give me 50% of whitelisted bitcoin
429 2011-02-11 12:21:15 <edcba> i don't pay
430 2011-02-11 12:21:19 <edcba> it gets black
431 2011-02-11 12:21:22 <edcba> now what ?
432 2011-02-11 12:22:07 <GoGi2> now you are fined because it is illegal to accept non-whitelisted money
433 2011-02-11 12:22:13 <tcatm> have fun maintaining that whitelist :)
434 2011-02-11 12:22:15 <noagendamarket> the governemnt cant find its ass in a snowstorm. How are they going to find a bitcoin address owner ?
435 2011-02-11 12:22:20 <noagendamarket> lol
436 2011-02-11 12:22:28 <edcba> Sirius: Central Europe is not an awnser to "Where in Europe ?"
437 2011-02-11 12:22:35 <GoGi2> as soon as you do something with the money that needs your physical presence
438 2011-02-11 12:22:38 <GoGi2> like boarding a plane
439 2011-02-11 12:22:40 <noagendamarket> they cant even find a guy in a cave in the desert
440 2011-02-11 12:22:48 <edcba> GoGi2: how could i be fined they don't know me
441 2011-02-11 12:22:59 <edcba> they don't even know if i am from same country
442 2011-02-11 12:22:59 <noagendamarket> maybe we can hide our coins in a desert cave and well be ok
443 2011-02-11 12:23:06 <noagendamarket> lol
444 2011-02-11 12:23:21 <GoGi2> remember I am assuming a world government
445 2011-02-11 12:23:29 <edcba> oh
446 2011-02-11 12:23:33 <tcatm> a TX can have two inputs and two outputs, all of equal amounts. how will you track that?
447 2011-02-11 12:23:39 <GoGi2> but well in that case they will be able to do anything they want probably
448 2011-02-11 12:23:50 <edcba> then you could directly encode that rule in the client
449 2011-02-11 12:23:50 <tcatm> let's say one input is white, one is black
450 2011-02-11 12:24:13 <GoGi2> tcatm: then everything is converted to black
451 2011-02-11 12:24:24 <GoGi2> tcatm: you could say that is the fine for "accepting" black money
452 2011-02-11 12:25:02 <edcba> the problem is you have to wait 1 month to know if money is black or white
453 2011-02-11 12:25:42 <GoGi2> edcba: why?
454 2011-02-11 12:25:55 <edcba> because you don't know who will pay or not
455 2011-02-11 12:26:01 <tcatm> GoGi2: how are you going to make that money white again (e.g. for paying the fine)?
456 2011-02-11 12:26:33 <edcba> tcatm: all transactions having x% paid to gov too ends white
457 2011-02-11 12:26:42 <tcatm> problem solved
458 2011-02-11 12:27:00 <tcatm> many inputs, many outputs, one 0.01 BTC output to goverment that makes everything white
459 2011-02-11 12:28:35 <GoGi2> you make it white by paying 1% of the total amount to gov
460 2011-02-11 12:28:39 <noagendamarket> What are we going to do about stevenbucks/sabbers character ?
461 2011-02-11 12:28:45 <tcatm> also please remember, that the transaction history may be removed from the blockchain
462 2011-02-11 12:28:55 <noagendamarket> He keeps turning up and ripping off bitcoiners
463 2011-02-11 12:29:03 <noagendamarket> Im going to start a bounty
464 2011-02-11 12:29:12 <noagendamarket> to find out who he is
465 2011-02-11 12:29:14 <noagendamarket> lol
466 2011-02-11 12:30:12 <tcatm> GoGi2: you can't reject blacklisted coins either, that's another problem
467 2011-02-11 12:30:19 <noagendamarket> you can change your name but not your character
468 2011-02-11 12:30:51 <noagendamarket> messing around with an anonymous currency community is not a ngood idea.
469 2011-02-11 12:31:35 <GoGi2> tcatm: I see
470 2011-02-11 12:32:29 <UukGoblin> noagendamarket, what did he do?
471 2011-02-11 12:32:55 <tcatm> also, once government does such a whitelist thing, bitcoin has already won
472 2011-02-11 12:33:53 <GoGi2> of course
473 2011-02-11 12:34:26 <UukGoblin> uh... whitelisting government black currency? what are you guys on about?
474 2011-02-11 12:35:00 <tcatm> roughly talking about tracing coins
475 2011-02-11 12:35:38 <UukGoblin> but.. making it illegal to accept some coins?
476 2011-02-11 12:36:07 <tcatm> yep
477 2011-02-11 12:36:09 <hundfred> coin-taggig ...
478 2011-02-11 12:36:27 <hundfred> this coin was used for blablabla before?
479 2011-02-11 12:36:49 <UukGoblin> that's insane
480 2011-02-11 12:37:06 <molecular> like "there's blood on this money"?
481 2011-02-11 12:37:15 <UukGoblin> someone could buy loads of bitcoins, make them black, and sell them
482 2011-02-11 12:37:21 <hundfred> this coin was used for weapons?
483 2011-02-11 12:37:31 <UukGoblin> before anyone realized they're black now
484 2011-02-11 12:37:57 <bd_> UukGoblin: for that matter, sending a black coin to something like mybitcoin would ruin everyone's balances very quickly...
485 2011-02-11 12:38:06 <UukGoblin> yeah
486 2011-02-11 12:38:57 <molecular> while it's interesting to talk about this, _why_ again would we want the (world) government to get paid some tax bitcoins?
487 2011-02-11 12:38:57 <tcatm> well you could instruct your client not to send black coins
488 2011-02-11 12:39:13 <bd_> tcatm: assuming your client knows what's black >_>;
489 2011-02-11 12:39:33 <UukGoblin> how would the coins turn from white to black?
490 2011-02-11 12:40:00 <UukGoblin> by court order?
491 2011-02-11 12:40:56 <molecular> wouldn't all bitcoins turn black once in governments hands? or would the government itself pay 1%?
492 2011-02-11 12:41:20 <UukGoblin> Currency In Black <- that would make a good movie title
493 2011-02-11 12:41:38 <molecular> and a weird halloween costume
494 2011-02-11 12:41:41 <tcatm> what if you moved coins within your wallet (send to self, change tx)?
495 2011-02-11 12:42:46 <UukGoblin> the whole concept of black money doesn't appeal to me
496 2011-02-11 12:42:55 <UukGoblin> what would the real-world equivalent be?
497 2011-02-11 12:43:28 <bd_> UukGoblin: marked bills?
498 2011-02-11 12:43:42 <bd_> of course, marked bills don't expand to cover more and more currenct over time...
499 2011-02-11 12:43:58 <UukGoblin> bd_, you mean banknotes on which someone wrote something with a pen?
500 2011-02-11 12:44:21 <bd_> UukGoblin: No, I mean, where they've registered the serial number in a tracking database
501 2011-02-11 12:46:08 <UukGoblin> ok... so... if a gangster paid for bread with a marked bill, and then I bought some soda in the same store and got the marked bill as change, should I be legally forced to not accept it?
502 2011-02-11 12:46:16 <UukGoblin> fucking mental
503 2011-02-11 12:48:01 <UukGoblin> and why does the value of bitcoin keep dropping...
504 2011-02-11 12:48:06 <UukGoblin> people, stop reducing the price!!11 ;-P
505 2011-02-11 12:48:26 <UukGoblin> I demand more demand for bitcoin!
506 2011-02-11 12:50:34 <UukGoblin> hrm, mtgox charges 1.3% of each trade, cause it's 0.65% on each end...
507 2011-02-11 12:55:26 <pierre`> hi
508 2011-02-11 12:59:33 <pierre`> does someone use bitcoins on a ps3 ? i got problem with the sha256.cpp source file, apparently it contains SS2 instructions.
509 2011-02-11 13:00:25 <edcba> just take some basic sha256 implementation
510 2011-02-11 13:00:50 <tcatm> pierre`: sha256.cpp is x86 only
511 2011-02-11 13:00:56 <pierre`> k, it's what i thought :)
512 2011-02-11 13:01:37 <tcatm> just compile without 4way and use cryptopp
513 2011-02-11 13:01:59 <tcatm> but be aware that a current sixcore CPU is faster than the ps3
514 2011-02-11 13:02:09 <tcatm> and more power efficient
515 2011-02-11 13:02:53 <UukGoblin> perhaps he wants client-only functionality?
516 2011-02-11 13:03:04 <UukGoblin> i.e. porting the bitcoin client to ps3 would be nice ;-]
517 2011-02-11 13:03:06 <pierre`> the ps3 is running 24/24 on a datacenter
518 2011-02-11 13:03:09 <UukGoblin> ah
519 2011-02-11 13:03:16 <UukGoblin> yeah, not very efficient to mine on ps3
520 2011-02-11 13:03:35 <pierre`> tcatm: thanks for cryptopp
521 2011-02-11 13:04:04 <UukGoblin> pierre`, are you from Japan? how much does power cost there?
522 2011-02-11 13:09:19 <pierre`> the ps3 is located in france
523 2011-02-11 13:20:11 <RobHu> Where can I find out how many bitcoins there are in existence?
524 2011-02-11 13:20:38 <genjix> bitcoinwatch.com
525 2011-02-11 13:21:02 <RobHu> Thank you
526 2011-02-11 13:25:18 <RobHu> Is there a way to find out how many bitcoins were sold in the last 24 hours or 30 days?
527 2011-02-11 13:25:22 <RobHu> at an exchange I mean
528 2011-02-11 13:25:35 <RobHu> I'm just trying to get a guesstimate.
529 2011-02-11 13:26:17 <tcatm> bitcoincharts.com ? :)
530 2011-02-11 13:27:09 <RobHu> tcatm: For USD for volume that says "3653.54", does that mean 3653.54 were sold in the alst 30 days?
531 2011-02-11 13:28:27 <tcatm> or 3478 USD
532 2011-02-11 13:29:06 <RobHu> thank you
533 2011-02-11 13:29:16 <RobHu> That's just for Mt. Gox, or for other exchanges too?
534 2011-02-11 13:31:18 <tcatm> bitcoincharts lists all exchanges
535 2011-02-11 13:42:21 <wsc9tt> not really sure why a password is used at all.  Other people are welcome to mine using my account
536 2011-02-11 13:43:01 <wsc9tt> I wonder how many people start mining with the example command lines on the bitpenny.com homepage. ;-)
537 2011-02-11 13:43:52 <wsc9tt> (wrong window)
538 2011-02-11 13:44:42 <presence> ;;bc,calc 790000
539 2011-02-11 13:44:43 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 790000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 1 day, 15 hours, 15 minutes, and 41 seconds
540 2011-02-11 13:51:35 <presence> so a btc takes 120 blocks (or 20 hours) to mature?
541 2011-02-11 13:51:46 <presence> 50 btc generation that is
542 2011-02-11 13:52:46 <xelister> presence: yes, this is time we assume is needed to be sure
543 2011-02-11 13:57:24 <genjix> anyone remember that bitcoin site double trouble?
544 2011-02-11 13:57:27 <genjix> what's the link?
545 2011-02-11 13:58:45 <robzy> hey guys, how many bits is the block header that needs to be SHA256'd twice?
546 2011-02-11 13:59:01 <robzy> i'm having trouble finding the specs for the block headers
547 2011-02-11 13:59:05 <xelister> on boot I get: Out of disk.  grub error.  WTF IS THAT?
548 2011-02-11 14:12:33 <gwillen> So just to be sure: If someone sends me bitcoins while my node is not running, the software will automatically notice this the next time I run it, right? When it downloads the blocks it missed?
549 2011-02-11 14:12:47 <UukGoblin> yes gwillen
550 2011-02-11 14:12:54 <gwillen> awesome, thanks
551 2011-02-11 14:32:09 <omglolbbq> anyone knows if something is wrong with MtGox owner?
552 2011-02-11 14:34:23 <UukGoblin> /something/ is ;-]
553 2011-02-11 14:35:14 <omglolbbq> hmm
554 2011-02-11 14:35:26 <omglolbbq> that sucks... since i would like to finaly get the money...
555 2011-02-11 14:35:39 <omglolbbq> no reply since over a week
556 2011-02-11 14:35:58 <tcatm> hm he had problems sending emails to me
557 2011-02-11 14:36:55 <omglolbbq> ah i see he[ in the channel
558 2011-02-11 14:36:59 <omglolbbq> ill pm him here
559 2011-02-11 14:37:02 <omglolbbq> see if that helps
560 2011-02-11 14:37:13 <sipa1024> ;;bc,mtgox
561 2011-02-11 14:37:14 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.0065,"low":0.8,"vol":9565,"buy":0.941,"sell":0.9699,"last":0.9699}}
562 2011-02-11 14:38:28 <necrodearia> http://meta.witcoin.com/p/109/categories---for-now - Top twenty-nine categories will be created.
563 2011-02-11 14:40:53 <UukGoblin> oh he is indeed
564 2011-02-11 14:41:30 <UukGoblin> mtgox, is the API broken? curl -X POST -k 'https://mtgox.com/code/getFunds.php?name=goblin&pass=secret' gives me {"error":"Not logged in."}
565 2011-02-11 14:41:51 <UukGoblin> password is definitely correct
566 2011-02-11 14:42:57 <UukGoblin> heh.
567 2011-02-11 14:46:55 <omglolbbq> hmm
568 2011-02-11 14:47:19 <presence> anyone ever get this error while compiling diablominer on linux?
569 2011-02-11 14:47:28 <presence> Building build/debug/x86_64/BoxFilterGL
570 2011-02-11 14:47:33 <presence> /usr/bin/ld: build/debug/x86_64//BoxFilterGLSeparable.o: undefined reference to symbol 'glOrtho'
571 2011-02-11 15:02:31 <UukGoblin> no, but I haven't compiled diablominer in a while
572 2011-02-11 15:02:50 <UukGoblin> actually, I don't know if 'anyone'
573 2011-02-11 15:02:56 <presence> this is really a problem getting the stream sdk to compile, not diablo :(
574 2011-02-11 15:03:05 <UukGoblin> yeah looks like it
575 2011-02-11 15:04:27 <retsilex> liblwjgl.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32 (Possible cause: architecture word width mismatch)
576 2011-02-11 15:04:36 <retsilex> in diablo miner.  anyone knows wtf?
577 2011-02-11 15:06:59 <pierre`> 
578 2011-02-11 15:14:33 <presence> you are on a 64 bit machine and have the 32 bit package installed?
579 2011-02-11 15:16:00 <ArtForz> forgot to set DISPLAY?
580 2011-02-11 15:18:24 <hacim> wow the quick blocks in the pool are weird
581 2011-02-11 15:18:51 <hacim> 14 seconds, 28 seconds, 54 seconds all really recent
582 2011-02-11 15:38:09 <UukGoblin> yessss
583 2011-02-11 15:38:11 <UukGoblin> back to $1
584 2011-02-11 15:41:19 <luke-jr> I'll sell for $2
585 2011-02-11 15:41:32 <UukGoblin> I'll sell for $1.99 then
586 2011-02-11 15:41:57 <luke-jr> pfft
587 2011-02-11 15:42:02 <luke-jr> then I'm offering $1.9899
588 2011-02-11 15:42:04 <UukGoblin> and if you buy 10 000 you'll get 10 001th free
589 2011-02-11 15:42:42 <luke-jr> my offer is equivalent to that, but they get the percentage off no matter what qty
590 2011-02-11 15:42:45 <luke-jr> :D
591 2011-02-11 15:43:14 <UukGoblin> damn you
592 2011-02-11 15:44:04 <luke-jr> no
593 2011-02-11 15:44:19 <necrodearia> I removed several of the restrictions at http://meta.witcoin.com/p/109/categories---for-now  I'm surprised by all the demand.
594 2011-02-11 15:44:57 <citiz3n> ;;bc,mtgox
595 2011-02-11 15:44:57 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.0065,"low":0.91,"vol":10136,"buy":0.9401,"sell":1.0065,"last":1.0065}}
596 2011-02-11 15:47:16 <x6763> how does bitcoin determine what to put in scriptSig? does it just check to see if scriptPubKey fits in some sort of pattern or what?
597 2011-02-11 15:47:34 <presence> ;;bc,calc 313000
598 2011-02-11 15:47:36 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 313000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 4 days, 3 hours, 5 minutes, and 41 seconds
599 2011-02-11 15:47:46 <gwillen_> necrodearia: it would be useful if somewhere on the witcoin frontpage there were a "what is witcoin" link
600 2011-02-11 15:47:52 <gwillen_> I can sort of guess, but it's not really clear
601 2011-02-11 15:48:11 <necrodearia> Documentation will come soon.
602 2011-02-11 15:48:18 <gwillen_> *nods*
603 2011-02-11 15:48:27 <genjix> luke-jr: is that tonal? :p
604 2011-02-11 15:49:11 <RBecker> ;;bc,blocks
605 2011-02-11 15:49:12 <gribble> 107482
606 2011-02-11 15:49:57 <luke-jr> genjix: ?
607 2011-02-11 15:50:02 <genjix> joke
608 2011-02-11 15:50:08 <luke-jr> much better rates for TBC
609 2011-02-11 15:51:14 <luke-jr> 1,0000 TBC (1 GTBC) for $81.60 USD
610 2011-02-11 15:51:53 <genjix> why don't you use abcdef instead of the funny symbols?
611 2011-02-11 15:52:02 <luke-jr> genjix: abcdef are letters
612 2011-02-11 15:52:07 <genjix> so?
613 2011-02-11 15:52:15 <citiz3n> those symbols are hard to read
614 2011-02-11 15:52:15 <genjix> 1a 2c .etc
615 2011-02-11 15:52:30 <luke-jr> so if I say "a bitcoin", so I mean 1 or 0xa ?
616 2011-02-11 15:52:35 <luke-jr> citiz3n: depends on your font
617 2011-02-11 15:52:55 <genjix> 0xa = 10_10
618 2011-02-11 15:53:03 <luke-jr> 012345678??9?????????? are fine to read with Console font
619 2011-02-11 15:53:05 <UukGoblin> ugh
620 2011-02-11 15:53:10 <genjix> not here :p
621 2011-02-11 15:53:11 <UukGoblin> 1,0000 is soo confusing
622 2011-02-11 15:53:17 <genjix> 012345678??9??????????
623 2011-02-11 15:53:22 <presence> not this again
624 2011-02-11 15:53:36 <Mango-chan> 4th President of Egypt
625 2011-02-11 15:53:38 <genjix> hey gavinandresen
626 2011-02-11 15:53:40 <luke-jr> UukGoblin: 42.94967296 BTC
627 2011-02-11 15:53:48 <gavinandresen> hey genjix
628 2011-02-11 15:53:50 <citiz3n> anyone know if the 6990s really are going to have like 3800 stream procs?
629 2011-02-11 15:53:50 <genjix> Mango-chan: cool :)
630 2011-02-11 15:53:54 <presence> 30 years was too long
631 2011-02-11 15:54:05 <Mango-chan> citiz3n
632 2011-02-11 15:54:09 <Mango-chan> 6990s are still just a rumor
633 2011-02-11 15:54:21 <citiz3n> that's too bad
634 2011-02-11 15:56:24 <x6763> gavinandresen: when creating a transaction how does bitcoin determine what to put in scriptSig? does it just check to see if scriptPubKey matches a pattern or does it just try the few ways it can make a scriptSig until it finds one that validates?
635 2011-02-11 15:58:38 <gavinandresen> If I recall correctly, it pattern-matches scriptPubKey
636 2011-02-11 15:58:46 <retsilex> luke-jr: I see usually all glyphs, but this ones do not work for me
637 2011-02-11 15:59:04 <retsilex> would you guys like to order 5970's ?
638 2011-02-11 15:59:11 <gavinandresen> yeah, see script.cpp, the Solver method
639 2011-02-11 15:59:11 <x6763> gavinandresen: cool, thanks
640 2011-02-11 15:59:24 <x6763> gavinandresen: ok, thanks
641 2011-02-11 15:59:32 <Mango-chan> retsilex do you sell some
642 2011-02-11 15:59:33 <UukGoblin> retsilex, potentially, what's the price?
643 2011-02-11 16:00:14 <xelister> UukGoblin: not sure yet, the idea is to order by hand fron China to EU and then distribute around
644 2011-02-11 16:00:39 <UukGoblin> if it's less than ~$350 inc shipping I might be up for it
645 2011-02-11 16:00:50 <hacim> pool down
646 2011-02-11 16:00:59 <Mango-chan> xelister how much is it from china
647 2011-02-11 16:02:07 <luke-jr> xelister: what font do you use?
648 2011-02-11 16:02:54 <luke-jr> xelister: I would want to see how the current Slashdotting affects difficulty, before I commit.
649 2011-02-11 16:04:01 <Mango-chan> xelister
650 2011-02-11 16:04:03 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,stats
651 2011-02-11 16:04:05 <gribble> Current Blocks: 107487 | Current Difficulty: 25997.87992881 | Next Difficulty At Block: 108863 | Next Difficulty In: 1376 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 13 hours, 10 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 32952.28338844
652 2011-02-11 16:04:07 <Mango-chan> they sell them for 600 usd
653 2011-02-11 16:04:08 <Mango-chan> in china
654 2011-02-11 16:04:11 <Mango-chan> how are you going to make a profit
655 2011-02-11 16:04:12 <Mango-chan> idgi
656 2011-02-11 16:04:19 <Mango-chan> cheapest one is 3.7k rmb
657 2011-02-11 16:04:23 <Mango-chan> which is ~ 600usd
658 2011-02-11 16:04:23 <UukGoblin> next iteration will exceed 40k diff, say I.
659 2011-02-11 16:04:42 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calcd 560000 40000
660 2011-02-11 16:04:43 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 560000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 40000, is 3 days, 13 hours, 13 minutes, and 3 seconds
661 2011-02-11 16:05:02 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calcd 560000 25000
662 2011-02-11 16:05:07 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 560000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 25000, is 2 days, 5 hours, 15 minutes, and 39 seconds
663 2011-02-11 16:05:13 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calcd 265000 40000
664 2011-02-11 16:05:21 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 265000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 40000, is 1 week, 0 days, 12 hours, 4 minutes, and 56 seconds
665 2011-02-11 16:05:50 <Mango-chan> ;;bc,calcd 40000000 40000
666 2011-02-11 16:05:51 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 40000000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 40000, is 1 hour, 11 minutes, and 34 seconds
667 2011-02-11 16:06:02 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 45000000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 40000, is 1 hour, 3 minutes, and 37 seconds
668 2011-02-11 16:06:02 <Mango-chan> ;;bc,calcd 45000000 40000
669 2011-02-11 16:06:04 <Mango-chan> dongs
670 2011-02-11 16:06:05 <Mango-chan> fuck
671 2011-02-11 16:06:06 <Mango-chan> brb
672 2011-02-11 16:06:55 <Luke__> Hi everyone... just wondering... has much changed since the $1 parity story was slashdotted?
673 2011-02-11 16:07:16 <Luke__> I must admit, I'd heard of bitcoin but I wasn't really interested until I read that story
674 2011-02-11 16:08:23 <Kiba> hello
675 2011-02-11 16:08:26 <Luke__> Is this the wrong place to ask these questions?
676 2011-02-11 16:08:30 <Kiba> ask away
677 2011-02-11 16:08:31 <Luke__> Hi kiba
678 2011-02-11 16:08:50 <Luke__> I just did, did you just join
679 2011-02-11 16:08:53 <Luke__> I just did, did you just join?
680 2011-02-11 16:08:54 <Kiba> no
681 2011-02-11 16:09:16 <Luke__> My question, has much changed since the $1 parity story was slashdotted?
682 2011-02-11 16:09:33 <Kiba> more good and services
683 2011-02-11 16:09:42 <Kiba> err..not yet..
684 2011-02-11 16:09:51 <Kiba> not much
685 2011-02-11 16:10:02 <Kiba> other than a bigger community
686 2011-02-11 16:10:47 <luke-jr> bigger? really?
687 2011-02-11 16:10:52 <luke-jr> I noticed a whole 2 more people join
688 2011-02-11 16:11:10 <Kiba> luke-jr: it take times for new members to set in
689 2011-02-11 16:11:39 <Kiba> for one thing, there were more registration than usual than yesterday
690 2011-02-11 16:11:44 <Kiba> they're not going to be well known
691 2011-02-11 16:12:31 <Kiba> registration climbed to 65 today
692 2011-02-11 16:12:45 <Luke__> registrations on which site?
693 2011-02-11 16:12:49 <Kiba> the forum
694 2011-02-11 16:13:03 <citiz3n> 65 new people today?
695 2011-02-11 16:13:14 <Luke__> ahh I see
696 2011-02-11 16:13:16 <Kiba> some of them are spam accounts
697 2011-02-11 16:13:56 <Luke__> Just made that 66...
698 2011-02-11 16:14:17 <genjix> use the force
699 2011-02-11 16:15:13 <luke-jr> MtGox is back to .94 today
700 2011-02-11 16:15:19 <luke-jr> but Market's up over $1 still
701 2011-02-11 16:16:05 <Kiba> .9997
702 2011-02-11 16:16:40 <Kiba> it's interesting how bitcoinmarket and mtgox tracks each other
703 2011-02-11 16:17:37 <genjix> MT`AwAy: check your PM
704 2011-02-11 16:19:21 <hacim> alright so what is the pool 'score'
705 2011-02-11 16:20:52 <genjix> Kiba: not really considering bots are equalising the trade price
706 2011-02-11 16:23:09 <gavinandresen> Anybody here know something about NSIS installer scripts?
707 2011-02-11 16:29:26 <genjix> gavinandresen: nanotube does
708 2011-02-11 16:29:51 <nanotube> gavinandresen: /me does
709 2011-02-11 16:29:55 <genjix> nanotube: how did that package go btw?
710 2011-02-11 16:30:08 <nanotube> by know something i mean... i've written some a ways back.
711 2011-02-11 16:30:31 <nanotube> genjix: what package? did i miss something?
712 2011-02-11 16:30:51 <gavinandresen> Ah!  Excellent!  So I've compiled a Windoze bitcoin 0.3.20 with the visual c++ toolchain.  It even works!
713 2011-02-11 16:30:52 <genjix> yesterday I linked you that program.... did you miss it?
714 2011-02-11 16:31:09 <UukGoblin> 0.3.20?
715 2011-02-11 16:31:21 <gavinandresen> But... it links against the VC++ msvcrt100.dll
716 2011-02-11 16:32:21 <luke-jr> afaik that's unavoidable
717 2011-02-11 16:32:31 <genjix> nanotube: http://uploading.com/files/done/22d8bf19 ... dependencies: http://developer.qt.nokia.com/wiki/PySide_Binaries_Windows and http://python.org/ (make sure versions match) & bitcoind
718 2011-02-11 16:32:33 <gavinandresen> ... which opens up a little can of worms.  I've been looking for a SIMPLE, boilerplate "here's what to do to your NSIS install script to properly ship the microsoft redistributables with your app" and haven't found it yet
719 2011-02-11 16:33:44 <genjix> UukGoblin: tell me about it :p
720 2011-02-11 16:33:50 <genjix> i feel like a new user
721 2011-02-11 16:34:32 <nanotube> genjix: ah, ok, i'll give that a whirl with py2exe over the weekend.
722 2011-02-11 16:34:37 <genjix> thanks
723 2011-02-11 16:34:42 <nanotube> gavinandresen: not sure about the legal bits of redistributing ms dlls
724 2011-02-11 16:34:48 <nanotube> i'm no lawyer
725 2011-02-11 16:34:49 <genjix> if you give me instructions then i will learn how to do it
726 2011-02-11 16:35:04 <genjix> teach a man to fish
727 2011-02-11 16:35:13 <gavinandresen> nanotube:  100% legal (can't redistribute the debug DLLs, the release ones are fine)
728 2011-02-11 16:35:29 <nanotube> gavinandresen: well then, you should be able to tell nsis to pull that one in
729 2011-02-11 16:35:36 <nanotube> the technical side is no prob.
730 2011-02-11 16:35:39 <gavinandresen> Right.  How?
731 2011-02-11 16:35:52 <gavinandresen> (I'm trying to learn as little NSIS as possible)
732 2011-02-11 16:36:38 <luke-jr> File "msvcrt100.dll"
733 2011-02-11 16:36:44 <luke-jr> NSIS is worth learning IMO
734 2011-02-11 16:36:59 <luke-jr> it even supports Linux (building on)
735 2011-02-11 16:37:18 <nanotube> genjix: basically, you install py2exe, and make a setup.py file according to py2exe instructions. then run "python setup.py py2exe"... and magic happens. :)
736 2011-02-11 16:38:17 <genjix> 1. install py2exe 2. do something 3. run py2exe XD ... great
737 2011-02-11 16:38:28 <nanotube> genjix: let me give you some links.
738 2011-02-11 16:38:29 <gavinandresen> luke-jr:  File will put the file... where?  Does it magically do all the windows side-by-side system DLL magic stuff?
739 2011-02-11 16:38:31 <nanotube> genjix: http://www.py2exe.org/index.cgi/Tutorial
740 2011-02-11 16:38:52 <nanotube> genjix: and here's a setup.py for one of my projects using py2exe: http://pykeylogger.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=pykeylogger/pykeylogger;a=blob_plain;f=setup.py;hb=dfe1ef39852c9f7b9737713016917b4d634e1b5c
741 2011-02-11 16:38:55 <xelister> UukGoblin: windows is competing with Ati drivers team at the "Who can suck donkey's cock the most" competition
742 2011-02-11 16:39:07 <UukGoblin> oh... a question: if I send out an oversized transaction without paying appropriate fees and then my bitcoind will generate, will it include its own transaction in the block?
743 2011-02-11 16:39:42 <UukGoblin> xelister, and who's winning?
744 2011-02-11 16:41:33 <genjix> a keylogger in python? didn't know that was possible
745 2011-02-11 16:42:37 <nanotube> gavinandresen: http://nsis.sourceforge.net/Docs/Chapter4.html#4.9.1.5
746 2011-02-11 16:42:50 <nanotube> gavinandresen: file will take the file you specify, and mark it for placement into current $OUTDIR
747 2011-02-11 16:43:09 <nanotube> so you can either have it place the dll right next to the exe... or set your $OUTDIR to some windows system location.
748 2011-02-11 16:43:30 <BlueMatt> does anyone know if time newsham is active on the forums or on irc, and if so what his u/n is (the maker of the thenewsh.com chart)
749 2011-02-11 16:43:32 <echelon> woah.. lots of new tor hidden service fallback nodes
750 2011-02-11 16:43:43 <nanotube> gavinandresen: to avoid complications with differences with various windows releases... maybe better to just stick it next to exe? /me doesn't really recall if that works in windows hehe
751 2011-02-11 16:44:07 <gavinandresen> nanotube:  thanks, from what I've read that'll work but it's not the "right" way to do it.
752 2011-02-11 16:44:10 <nanotube> genjix: yes it's possible. :) since python can link to c libs haha :) though the linux side works using xlib.
753 2011-02-11 16:45:00 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: never hurts to put the DLL in the app dir
754 2011-02-11 16:49:14 <BlueMatt> on bitcoinmarket.com's apis what does confirmed/unconfirmed mean?
755 2011-02-11 16:51:31 <nanotube> gavinandresen: well yea :) but all that said... if you require writing to C:system32 (or whatever it was), you need admin privs.
756 2011-02-11 16:51:32 <gavinandresen> nanotube:  no, we don't.
757 2011-02-11 16:51:36 <nanotube> gavinandresen: well then sticking it into the dir along with the rest of the binaries should be "just fine (tm)"
758 2011-02-11 16:51:37 <gavinandresen> nanotube:  That what I'll do.  I'll let somebody else do the complicated thing I saw (in a blog post that I can no longer find) that involved calling the Windows API to ask it to install them if it didn't already have them....
759 2011-02-11 16:51:37 <nanotube> hehe yea, sounds like "a lot of work for approximately zero gain"
760 2011-02-11 16:51:39 <gavinandresen> Well, the gain would be if there was a security-related bug in one of the DLLs that microsoft fixed, windows update would do the right thing.
761 2011-02-11 16:51:51 <nanotube> gavinandresen: ah i see. true, i suppose.
762 2011-02-11 16:52:49 <nanotube> gavinandresen: feel free also to take a look at my nsis file for one of my projects. it's pretty well commented, may be helpful: http://pykeylogger.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=pykeylogger/pykeylogger;a=blob_plain;f=pykeylogger_install_script.nsi;hb=dfe1ef39852c9f7b9737713016917b4d634e1b5c
763 2011-02-11 16:53:54 <genjix> gavinandresen: btw i saw that .20 rpc server boots up much quicker than in .19
764 2011-02-11 16:54:04 <genjix> good job
765 2011-02-11 16:54:14 <genjix> is it possible to make it instant?
766 2011-02-11 16:55:01 <gavinandresen> genjix:  thank dooglus, I think he found some db optimizations that made it faster
767 2011-02-11 16:55:18 <genjix> cool
768 2011-02-11 16:55:31 <gavinandresen> Optimizing startup more would be a very good thing.  I hope somebody works on that.
769 2011-02-11 16:55:41 <genjix> how does bitcoin lock the directory?
770 2011-02-11 16:55:59 <gavinandresen> boost::file_lock
771 2011-02-11 16:56:25 <jgarzik> lots of 500 server errors from slush's pool
772 2011-02-11 16:56:34 <luke-jr> btw, should we maybe consider bundling a GPU miner with the next minor/major version?
773 2011-02-11 16:56:37 <genjix> ok so can I just check for .bitcoin/.lock file exists to see whether bitcoin is running or not?
774 2011-02-11 16:56:50 <luke-jr> jgarzik: try OneFixt's yet? maybe a good time to
775 2011-02-11 16:56:52 <genjix> so that I know bitcoind is running but rpc hasn't started yet
776 2011-02-11 16:57:36 <genjix> actually not sure how that file works :p
777 2011-02-11 16:59:39 <nanotube> genjix: probably best to try try running 'bitcoind getinfo' and go on the status of that. because if comp hard-crashed, the .lock file may remain
778 2011-02-11 17:00:05 <bk128> The only file I need to back up to keep my coins is my wallet.dat, right?
779 2011-02-11 17:00:08 <luke-jr> nanotube: genjix wants to know if it's loading
780 2011-02-11 17:00:18 <genjix> yep
781 2011-02-11 17:00:22 <bk128> thanks
782 2011-02-11 17:00:28 <luke-jr> perhaps bitcoind should bind the RPC socket before anything else?
783 2011-02-11 17:00:36 <nanotube> luke-jr: aah ok
784 2011-02-11 17:00:41 <bk128> I wonder how many bitcoins have been lost forever
785 2011-02-11 17:00:50 <genjix> actually meant yep to luke-jr but bk128 works too :)
786 2011-02-11 17:00:55 <luke-jr> bk128: note, that you need to re-backup every 100 transactions or so
787 2011-02-11 17:00:55 <nanotube> bk128: probably a million or so, easily
788 2011-02-11 17:01:03 <nanotube> ;;bc,wiki securing your wallet
789 2011-02-11 17:01:06 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Securing_your_wallet | 30 Jan 2011 ... In the case that your current wallet hasn't been protected adequately (e.g. put online with a weaker password): Making a new secure wallet, ...
790 2011-02-11 17:01:07 <nanotube> bk128: --^
791 2011-02-11 17:01:33 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: You could use either the /MT or the /MTd option to cl.exe. In this case, you will have no dependency on the msvcrt DLL, and therefore you will not have to redistribute it.
792 2011-02-11 17:01:37 <bk128> thanks, will read.   I wonder how many people are kicking themselves now for formatting or something without saving their wallet
793 2011-02-11 17:02:53 <gavinandresen> jgarzik:  even better, I'll try that
794 2011-02-11 17:03:20 <genjix> gavinandresen: can we move CreateThread(ThreadRPCServer, NULL) to the very beginning?
795 2011-02-11 17:03:32 <gavinandresen> genjix: who is "we" ?
796 2011-02-11 17:03:38 <genjix> bitcoin
797 2011-02-11 17:03:47 <gavinandresen> bitcoin can't move anything....
798 2011-02-11 17:04:02 <luke-jr> genjix: I think he means TIAS
799 2011-02-11 17:04:03 <wsc9tt> not that the shell script on that securing page doesn't actually work.  (wiki ate the formatting)
800 2011-02-11 17:04:21 <jgarzik> genjix: move it to ThreadSocketHandler() and add select(2) support.  Then you can delete the RPC thread altogether.
801 2011-02-11 17:04:31 <gavinandresen> No, really, if you want something, then open an issue at github and/or recruit somebody to code it for you
802 2011-02-11 17:04:38 <luke-jr> jgarzik++
803 2011-02-11 17:04:52 <gavinandresen> And if you REALLY want something, implement it, get a few people to help test it, then submit a patch
804 2011-02-11 17:05:05 <luke-jr> s/patch/pull req
805 2011-02-11 17:05:14 <genjix> it looks like a single 2 line change
806 2011-02-11 17:05:20 <gavinandresen> right, pull request
807 2011-02-11 17:05:36 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: speaking of which, is git still .20 or is it time to merge .21 stuff?
808 2011-02-11 17:06:23 <gavinandresen> genjix: uh-huh.....
809 2011-02-11 17:06:30 <gavinandresen> No merging until at LEAST a couple days after .20 has been the official download
810 2011-02-11 17:08:09 <Kiba> gavinandresen: when is Satoshi coming back?
811 2011-02-11 17:08:21 <genjix> lol
812 2011-02-11 17:08:27 <genjix> why would he know?
813 2011-02-11 17:09:35 <Kiba> because he's missing all the fun!
814 2011-02-11 17:10:33 <luke-jr> Kiba: you assume he will
815 2011-02-11 17:10:39 <bk128> are cuda/ opencl miners ever going to be integrated into the official client?
816 2011-02-11 17:11:15 <luke-jr> Kiba: he's probably slowly doing laundry with his bitcoins, so that nobody can trace Satoshi to his real person
817 2011-02-11 17:11:58 <luke-jr> bk128: who makes it official?
818 2011-02-11 17:12:18 <luke-jr> bk128: it seems obvious to me that the future of bitcoin has separate wallet, GUI, and miner
819 2011-02-11 17:12:43 <luke-jr> with competing-but-equal software packages for all 3 parts
820 2011-02-11 17:12:50 <bk128> I thought the clients @ http://www.bitcoin.org/ were kind of the "official" ones
821 2011-02-11 17:13:09 <luke-jr> it is currently the only working one, and the original one
822 2011-02-11 17:13:19 <luke-jr> but bitcoin has no central authority to make things official
823 2011-02-11 17:13:36 <bk128> okay
824 2011-02-11 17:13:50 <luke-jr> bitcoin.org is a website; if it goes down, bitcoin continues on as normal
825 2011-02-11 17:14:00 <bk128> I understand that part.
826 2011-02-11 17:14:28 <bk128> I just need to read up on all that's changed since I generated last year with my cpu
827 2011-02-11 17:14:39 <bk128> so how much does it cost for a decent video card now that will generate once every few days?
828 2011-02-11 17:14:48 <bk128> ATI preferred now?
829 2011-02-11 17:14:56 <luke-jr> bk128: ATI has always been preferred afaik
830 2011-02-11 17:14:58 <gavinandresen> bk128:  no, it is unlikely the 'official' client will add GPU mining.
831 2011-02-11 17:15:21 <luke-jr> bk128: right now, my 5850 should do a block every few days
832 2011-02-11 17:15:32 <luke-jr> but given some of the predictions of the next difficulty, that will become a week
833 2011-02-11 17:15:45 <bk128> is that relatively easy to set up?  the gpu miner is publicly available or you wrote it yourself?
834 2011-02-11 17:15:54 <luke-jr> I'm using a public one
835 2011-02-11 17:16:26 <luke-jr> the difficulty is isolating it from your real GPU
836 2011-02-11 17:16:31 <bk128> wow those are a little expensive.  I'd have to sell all my bitcoins to buy one :(
837 2011-02-11 17:16:39 <luke-jr> because you can't really mine AND use-for-output the same video card