1 2011-02-14 00:01:04 <lolcat> Evil! Why is the price still increasing?
  2 2011-02-14 00:01:42 <sethsethseth> http://www.thenewsh.com/~newsham/x/mtgox/
  3 2011-02-14 00:01:52 <sethsethseth> this chart is not working in firefox, any ideas?
  4 2011-02-14 00:05:44 <lolcat> sethsethseth: Works in chromium
  5 2011-02-14 00:06:06 <sethsethseth> ahh only chrome
  6 2011-02-14 00:06:07 <sethsethseth> i see
  7 2011-02-14 00:30:53 <xelister> Ubuntu is full of shite
  8 2011-02-14 00:30:57 <xelister> part #512
  9 2011-02-14 00:31:25 <xelister> last time we noted how ubuntu is gay about volume meter and sound controll showing gay animation == 5 second lag before reaction to volume down key
 10 2011-02-14 00:31:40 <xelister> now they changed that to animation that is fasste and bo lag o/
 11 2011-02-14 00:31:52 <xelister> and after reboot.. neither old nor new controlls work. sigh.
 12 2011-02-14 00:31:59 <genjix> xelister: ? works fine for me
 13 2011-02-14 00:32:14 <genjix> binds directly to the XFree86IncreaseVolume key
 14 2011-02-14 00:32:27 <Diablo-D3> what did he do now
 15 2011-02-14 00:41:32 <andrew12> methinks http://www.bitcoin.org/wiki/ is still better than bitcoin.it
 16 2011-02-14 00:50:46 <andrew12> noagendamarket: you around?
 17 2011-02-14 00:51:29 <noagendamarket> yes andrew12
 18 2011-02-14 00:51:40 <andrew12> noagendamarket: I can't get into #bitcoind
 19 2011-02-14 00:53:26 <noagendamarket> andrew12  we are using it for the operating staff of the project.
 20 2011-02-14 00:53:58 <andrew12> noagendamarket: oh, so there is no irc channel anymore?
 21 2011-02-14 00:57:02 <presence> whats the quickest way to configure linux ati?
 22 2011-02-14 00:57:06 <presence> aticonfig --what
 23 2011-02-14 00:57:19 <noagendamarket> andrew12  its gone dark ;)
 24 2011-02-14 00:57:48 <tcatm> presence: aticonfig --adapter=all --initial --force
 25 2011-02-14 00:58:12 <andrew12> noagendamarket: so how am i supposed to invest anything?
 26 2011-02-14 00:58:44 <davex___> anyone ever has "aticonfig --odgc --adapter=all" report "Get clocks failed for Adapter 0"
 27 2011-02-14 00:59:43 <noagendamarket> andrew12 we had enough interest just from the operators not to go outside that
 28 2011-02-14 00:59:47 <davex___> and, aticonfig --odgt --adapter=all seems to just hang
 29 2011-02-14 01:00:18 <presence> damnit it hosed my video
 30 2011-02-14 01:00:24 <presence> I cant even get it to close x
 31 2011-02-14 01:00:26 <presence> or reboot
 32 2011-02-14 01:00:37 <presence> and of course ghey ubuntu wont let me remote ssh in
 33 2011-02-14 01:01:21 <davex___> probably have conflicting drivers
 34 2011-02-14 01:02:09 <presence> it had no special drivers before
 35 2011-02-14 01:02:11 <presence> but who knows
 36 2011-02-14 01:02:26 <presence> you would think I could just ctrl-alt-backspace to kill it though
 37 2011-02-14 01:02:32 <presence> or ctrl-alt-f1
 38 2011-02-14 01:02:34 <presence> but noooo
 39 2011-02-14 01:02:36 <davex___> yeah would be nice
 40 2011-02-14 01:03:12 <presence> if I have to reinstall to fix this Im installing freebsd
 41 2011-02-14 01:09:35 <Validus> did you add ssh into your iptables?
 42 2011-02-14 01:09:56 <Validus> use ctrl+alt+f2 to switch to a new terminal
 43 2011-02-14 01:10:21 <Validus> f7 will return to your 1st console and go back to xwin
 44 2011-02-14 01:10:32 <Validus> ctrl+alt+f7
 45 2011-02-14 01:10:43 <presence> hmm
 46 2011-02-14 01:10:45 <bitcoiner> will a 5770 fit on a slot where a 4350 is ?
 47 2011-02-14 01:10:51 <presence> crtl-alt-nothing works
 48 2011-02-14 01:10:52 <presence> its hosed
 49 2011-02-14 01:10:58 <presence> I have sshd working now
 50 2011-02-14 01:11:20 <presence> but aticonfig --adapter=all --initial --force didnt help
 51 2011-02-14 01:11:21 <Validus> usually iptables blocks half the stuff for it. but ctrl+alt+f2-6 should let you goto a new terminal
 52 2011-02-14 01:12:02 <Diablo-D3> what did you break now?
 53 2011-02-14 01:12:16 <Diablo-D3> did you lock X up and cant ssh in?
 54 2011-02-14 01:12:19 <presence> when x loads my display no longer works
 55 2011-02-14 01:12:29 <presence> nah, I forced grub to boot into a shell
 56 2011-02-14 01:12:35 <Validus> hit ctrl+alt+f2
 57 2011-02-14 01:12:38 <presence> so I have access...but x is hosed
 58 2011-02-14 01:12:41 <Validus> itll work i locked up xwindows many times
 59 2011-02-14 01:12:42 <presence> dude, I know linux
 60 2011-02-14 01:12:48 <presence> ctrl-alt-x doesnt work
 61 2011-02-14 01:12:53 <Diablo-D3> btw, if you ever lock X up and cant ssh in, press alt-sysrq s, u, and b
 62 2011-02-14 01:13:00 <Diablo-D3> it'll sync, unmount, and reboot
 63 2011-02-14 01:13:01 <presence> ctrl-alt-backspace does nothing
 64 2011-02-14 01:13:14 <Diablo-D3> btw, c-a-bs has been turned off in X by default
 65 2011-02-14 01:13:16 <presence> x hoses the display and never recovers
 66 2011-02-14 01:13:19 <Diablo-D3> if you want it, turn it back on in your xorg.conf
 67 2011-02-14 01:13:44 <Validus> so when i ws running mint and my x got screwed up in a config i guess i imagined everything when i switched to a terminal. stopped the gmd and fixed it
 68 2011-02-14 01:13:48 <Validus> gdm*
 69 2011-02-14 01:14:15 <Diablo-D3> Validus: mint probably turned it back on by default
 70 2011-02-14 01:14:23 <Diablo-D3> this obviously doesnt effect switching vts
 71 2011-02-14 01:14:26 <Diablo-D3> just killing X
 72 2011-02-14 01:14:38 <Validus> x should never lock u outa your system
 73 2011-02-14 01:14:45 <Validus> unless thats some weird ubuntu perk
 74 2011-02-14 01:14:47 <Validus> lol
 75 2011-02-14 01:14:50 <Diablo-D3> if X kernel panics, it should
 76 2011-02-14 01:14:54 <Diablo-D3> since, you know, the kernel paniced
 77 2011-02-14 01:15:44 <presence> doesnt --initial pull all previous crap out of xorg.conf?
 78 2011-02-14 01:16:02 <presence> I am an X11R4,5 guy...havent done much xorg, looks very similar
 79 2011-02-14 01:16:45 <Validus> and ive noticed alot of the time with ssh and remote services even after enabling its still blocked by iptables. thats why i mentioned that
 80 2011-02-14 01:16:46 <Diablo-D3> xorg.conf format hasnt changed in all these years
 81 2011-02-14 01:17:20 <Diablo-D3> presence: and yeah, --initial --devices=all should always work correctly
 82 2011-02-14 01:17:55 <presence> weird, it hoses my video, but no X is reunning
 83 2011-02-14 01:19:11 <Diablo-D3> control-alt-f1 doesnt work?
 84 2011-02-14 01:19:34 <presence> no...
 85 2011-02-14 01:19:37 <Diablo-D3> huh weird
 86 2011-02-14 01:19:39 <presence> yet the system did not panic
 87 2011-02-14 01:19:41 <Diablo-D3> I wonder if KMS wnet insane
 88 2011-02-14 01:19:49 <Diablo-D3> Ive rarely seen this outside of KMS
 89 2011-02-14 01:21:02 <presence> I did load the 10.11 driver and compiled the sdk 2.1
 90 2011-02-14 01:21:28 <Diablo-D3> you dont need to compile anything in the sdk
 91 2011-02-14 01:21:38 <Diablo-D3> also, how did you install 10.11?
 92 2011-02-14 01:21:44 <Diablo-D3> you should NEVER use ati's installer
 93 2011-02-14 01:21:54 <Validus> *shudders*
 94 2011-02-14 01:21:58 <Validus> i member when i did that on debian
 95 2011-02-14 01:22:00 <Validus> never again
 96 2011-02-14 01:22:03 <Diablo-D3> yeeeaaaahh
 97 2011-02-14 01:22:05 <Diablo-D3> its ugly
 98 2011-02-14 01:22:09 <Validus> horrible
 99 2011-02-14 01:22:13 <Diablo-D3> and debian packages new drivers in experimental anyhow
100 2011-02-14 01:22:17 <Diablo-D3> comes out like a week after amd ships
101 2011-02-14 01:22:31 <presence> I downloaded and installed their binaries
102 2011-02-14 01:22:33 <presence> hell
103 2011-02-14 01:22:37 <Validus> linux turned me off on an ati card almost completely in full
104 2011-02-14 01:22:43 <presence> so what do I need to install
105 2011-02-14 01:22:49 <presence> do I need to compile from source?
106 2011-02-14 01:22:55 <Validus> 40 hrs of work to finally get gpu accelleartion in HD
107 2011-02-14 01:23:37 <Validus> if your in ubuntu it hsould auto load their restricted driver
108 2011-02-14 01:23:40 <Diablo-D3> presence: you need to install official ubuntu packages for the driver.
109 2011-02-14 01:23:41 <Validus> or ask you to
110 2011-02-14 01:23:46 <Diablo-D3> I _really_ recommend you dont use ubuntu. at all.
111 2011-02-14 01:23:52 <Validus> i hate crapbuntu
112 2011-02-14 01:24:02 <Diablo-D3> ubuntu is african for shit
113 2011-02-14 01:24:04 <Validus> if you wanna use ubuntu style get mint. it at least works 90% of the time
114 2011-02-14 01:24:09 <presence> dont tell me that you like fedora
115 2011-02-14 01:24:11 <Validus> Diablo-D3: i say that all the time LOL
116 2011-02-14 01:24:12 <Diablo-D3> heh, Ive used debian for over a decade.
117 2011-02-14 01:24:18 <Diablo-D3> Im not switching.
118 2011-02-14 01:24:25 <presence> Im a slackware guy, I dont really care which distribution I need to use
119 2011-02-14 01:24:41 <Validus> salix wasnt bad. but it was a lil odd
120 2011-02-14 01:24:44 <Validus> and it has slapt-get
121 2011-02-14 01:24:54 <Validus> basically slackware with repositories
122 2011-02-14 01:25:09 <Diablo-D3> heh that sounds dumb
123 2011-02-14 01:25:12 <Validus> its odd
124 2011-02-14 01:25:14 <Diablo-D3> I wanna switch to alpine at some point
125 2011-02-14 01:25:18 <Diablo-D3> but its not ready yet
126 2011-02-14 01:25:24 <Validus> i have haiku around here somewhere but i never installed it
127 2011-02-14 01:25:29 <presence> awesome, no uninstall from ati
128 2011-02-14 01:25:38 <Diablo-D3> theres an uninstall
129 2011-02-14 01:25:42 <Diablo-D3> but I forget where it is
130 2011-02-14 01:25:58 <Diablo-D3> presence: cd /usr; find | grep uninstall
131 2011-02-14 01:26:09 <Diablo-D3> there should be a script named like uninstall.sh or some shit
132 2011-02-14 01:26:34 <Diablo-D3> and after you run that, apt-get install --reinstall all the fglrx packages
133 2011-02-14 01:26:42 <Diablo-D3> and then after thats done, switch to debian.
134 2011-02-14 01:26:47 <Validus> lol
135 2011-02-14 01:27:13 <Validus> debian saved me when i had a pc blowout
136 2011-02-14 01:27:19 <presence> I worked on debian with dbale garby for quite a while
137 2011-02-14 01:27:30 <presence> I thought it was abandonware now
138 2011-02-14 01:27:48 <Diablo-D3> you fail linux forever
139 2011-02-14 01:28:00 <Validus> your a slack guy and think debian is abandoned?
140 2011-02-14 01:28:04 <Validus> im so confused
141 2011-02-14 01:28:07 <presence> slack is gone
142 2011-02-14 01:28:11 <presence> so is SLS
143 2011-02-14 01:28:18 <Validus> slack is gone?
144 2011-02-14 01:28:20 <presence> and fedora is absolute dogshit
145 2011-02-14 01:28:30 <Diablo-D3> presence: and his last name is spelled garbee
146 2011-02-14 01:28:45 <presence> I worked with him at HP
147 2011-02-14 01:28:48 <Validus> my first linux distro was slackware 7.0 heh
148 2011-02-14 01:29:25 <Diablo-D3> isnt he the president of SPI now?
149 2011-02-14 01:29:27 <Validus> wel the first one i learned on
150 2011-02-14 01:29:35 <presence> I dont know, when hp/agilent split we lost contact
151 2011-02-14 01:29:41 <presence> I went to agilent he stayed with hp
152 2011-02-14 01:29:59 <Diablo-D3> wikipedia says Im right, and hes also the linux cto @ hp
153 2011-02-14 01:30:23 <presence> he was just our chief scientist of labs when I was there
154 2011-02-14 01:30:45 <presence> hes a smart guy
155 2011-02-14 01:30:53 <Diablo-D3> yeah
156 2011-02-14 01:30:57 <Diablo-D3> but no, debian is far from dead
157 2011-02-14 01:30:58 <presence> Im surpised he stayed after they killed off all the kernel devs
158 2011-02-14 01:31:04 <presence> of course hpux is the suck
159 2011-02-14 01:31:09 <Diablo-D3> ubuntu cant seem to kill debian no matter how much absolute shit they push into debian
160 2011-02-14 01:31:16 <Diablo-D3> this is partly why I wanna switch to alpine
161 2011-02-14 01:31:28 <presence> I havent played with alpine at all
162 2011-02-14 01:31:32 <Diablo-D3> alpine is basically the debian way of thinking, but without all the fucking ubuntu faggotry
163 2011-02-14 01:31:46 <Diablo-D3> its almost not linux at all
164 2011-02-14 01:31:49 <presence> I did BSD for a while...until it was mostly abandoned by devs (moving to linux)
165 2011-02-14 01:32:09 <Diablo-D3> it uses uclibc and busybox, for example
166 2011-02-14 01:32:45 <Diablo-D3> ships kernels with pax and ssp by default too
167 2011-02-14 01:33:01 <newsham> tell us what you really think of ubuntu, diablo
168 2011-02-14 01:33:07 <newsham> enough of the sugar coating
169 2011-02-14 01:33:15 <Diablo-D3> newsham: heh
170 2011-02-14 01:33:19 <presence> haha
171 2011-02-14 01:33:25 <presence> ubuntu works
172 2011-02-14 01:33:26 <Diablo-D3> I will do anything in my power to destroy microsoft linux.
173 2011-02-14 01:33:28 <presence> Im not saying I love it
174 2011-02-14 01:33:35 <presence> but its better than fedora
175 2011-02-14 01:34:06 <newsham> *shrug* i used to use rh then fedora, then it really sucked, then i stopped using it, and then recently i had to install fedora for client work (their std platform) and it wasnt half bad
176 2011-02-14 01:34:12 <newsham> much better than the fedora that made me give it up
177 2011-02-14 01:34:21 <presence> I use it for gov crap
178 2011-02-14 01:34:22 <newsham> nothing as constant as change
179 2011-02-14 01:34:23 <newsham> and C
180 2011-02-14 01:34:27 <newsham> C is always so constant
181 2011-02-14 01:34:29 <presence> and although I like yum, thats ALL I like about it
182 2011-02-14 01:34:35 <Diablo-D3> fedora is actually quite good now
183 2011-02-14 01:34:38 <Diablo-D3> I still hate rpm though
184 2011-02-14 01:34:47 <newsham> C*exp(-t*alpha)
185 2011-02-14 01:34:55 <Validus> compiling trumps all packages
186 2011-02-14 01:35:11 <newsham> validus must have a raging boner for gentoo!
187 2011-02-14 01:35:15 <Diablo-D3> presence: yum itself is not really any different than apt-get in usage
188 2011-02-14 01:35:19 <da2ce7> hey, anyone good at cypto want to have a decussion with me?  I'm trying to work out if an idea is possible.
189 2011-02-14 01:35:25 <Validus> no i like options and not predetermined things
190 2011-02-14 01:35:35 <Diablo-D3> presence: what bones it is stupid shit like still using rpm (dpkg > rpm) and having that delta upgrade shit
191 2011-02-14 01:35:53 <newsham> da2ce7: why not start talking and seeing if anyone picks it up
192 2011-02-14 01:35:55 <Validus> then distros got the bright idea of moving key files which causes problems when compiling cuz they look in the wrong spot for things and that causes headaches
193 2011-02-14 01:36:04 <Diablo-D3> Validus: ugh yeah
194 2011-02-14 01:36:12 <Validus> like lftp w/ ssl support
195 2011-02-14 01:36:14 <Diablo-D3> but then again thats why pkgconfig exists
196 2011-02-14 01:36:24 <newsham> 7thed4lyfe
197 2011-02-14 01:36:25 <Diablo-D3> and foo-config scripts
198 2011-02-14 01:36:32 <Diablo-D3> so I can just do foo-config --libs --cflags and shit
199 2011-02-14 01:36:36 <newsham> v74lyfe?
200 2011-02-14 01:36:40 <da2ce7> newsham, just it is a littl bit non-trivial; may get lost/missunderstood
201 2011-02-14 01:36:44 <presence> yeah, I understand
202 2011-02-14 01:36:52 <presence> it didnt have yum in the beginning
203 2011-02-14 01:36:59 <presence> so I hated it altogether
204 2011-02-14 01:37:09 <Diablo-D3> apk > apt-get and yum by far though
205 2011-02-14 01:37:21 <Validus> on centos yum installs mysql server with no root password by default. like WTF
206 2011-02-14 01:37:39 <Diablo-D3> Validus: well
207 2011-02-14 01:37:41 <Diablo-D3> the real wtf is
208 2011-02-14 01:37:46 <Diablo-D3> people still use mysql
209 2011-02-14 01:37:48 <Diablo-D3> dohohohohohoh
210 2011-02-14 01:37:49 <newsham> thats why its "my" sql.
211 2011-02-14 01:37:53 <newsham> "your db is mysql"
212 2011-02-14 01:37:53 <Validus> lol
213 2011-02-14 01:38:00 <presence> hell, my damn eth is tx unit hanging
214 2011-02-14 01:38:05 <presence> son of a beyotch
215 2011-02-14 01:38:05 <Validus> well it wasnt my machine. and i was just setting it up :P
216 2011-02-14 01:38:13 <Validus> it is a bastard
217 2011-02-14 01:38:23 <Diablo-D3> postgresql forever
218 2011-02-14 01:38:27 <Diablo-D3> or at least, until I write my own
219 2011-02-14 01:39:13 <newsham> people arguing about what database is best is sort of like trying to pick the best turd on the lawn
220 2011-02-14 01:39:20 <presence> Hmm...pulling out the intel and putting in a netgear
221 2011-02-14 01:39:27 <presence> ubuntu seems to suck *shrug*
222 2011-02-14 01:39:52 <newsham> the truth is, databases are large and bloated and more trouble than they're worth.
223 2011-02-14 01:40:01 <newsham> if you need a datastore you can easily write a data store.
224 2011-02-14 01:40:11 <newsham> and you probably wont even have to hire a specialy trained sysadmin to run it, either
225 2011-02-14 01:40:36 <presence> when an intel e1000 driver is hosed...what the hell works
226 2011-02-14 01:40:56 <Diablo-D3> well no
227 2011-02-14 01:41:00 <Diablo-D3> if your db is large and bloated
228 2011-02-14 01:41:04 <Diablo-D3> you may be wanting oracle anyhow
229 2011-02-14 01:41:21 <Diablo-D3> no matter how much you hate it, it DOES manage to run small clusters right
230 2011-02-14 01:41:50 <newsham> and its "unbreakable'
231 2011-02-14 01:41:52 <newsham> unless you try
232 2011-02-14 01:42:26 <Diablo-D3> newsham: yeah, but theres people out there that do like, a single query that runs for a week and crunches a TB of data and even sends the output as postscript to the networked printer
233 2011-02-14 01:42:48 <Diablo-D3> hardcore oracle users scare me
234 2011-02-14 01:46:07 <presence> mysql is quite limited, but most of the people that use it don't need anything more
235 2011-02-14 01:46:22 <Validus> it works for what i use it for
236 2011-02-14 01:46:34 <Validus> once you actually setup it seems to work fine. but wow what a headache
237 2011-02-14 01:46:38 <ZenMondo> it never let me down
238 2011-02-14 01:46:48 <Validus> i gotta do mysql db's for my it w/ security degree :/
239 2011-02-14 01:46:56 <Validus> IT*
240 2011-02-14 01:48:42 <Validus> i also learned why theres 2000 different frontends that handle it
241 2011-02-14 01:48:46 <Validus> lol
242 2011-02-14 01:50:42 <lolcat> Validus: Why?
243 2011-02-14 01:51:02 <Validus> if you dont have a linux box to play with. get a vps and install mysql and enjoy yourself
244 2011-02-14 01:51:27 <lolcat> I have a vps, I have mysql
245 2011-02-14 01:51:29 <Validus> i had to setup mysql for someone with never having used it before. and wow....
246 2011-02-14 01:51:45 <Validus> i got it. it just ttook a minute
247 2011-02-14 01:52:11 <Validus> but i dindt use any front end programs. but judging by the front end programs i saw. it makes it 100x simpler and convenient
248 2011-02-14 01:52:25 <lolcat> Nah
249 2011-02-14 01:52:30 <lolcat> I don't like front ends
250 2011-02-14 01:52:35 <Validus> me neither
251 2011-02-14 01:52:36 <lolcat> MY vps is sligthly messed up though
252 2011-02-14 01:52:44 <Validus> i just did trial and error until i had it proper
253 2011-02-14 01:52:49 <lolcat> I even use telnet to chat on irc once in a while
254 2011-02-14 01:52:50 <Validus> google is my friend
255 2011-02-14 01:56:49 <genjix> brb dont miss me
256 2011-02-14 01:56:53 <Mango-chan> >they don't use cloud servers
257 2011-02-14 01:57:26 <lolcat> http://b1ag.com/file.lol Can you help med test speed by wgetting that?
258 2011-02-14 01:58:53 <hozer> lolcat: 404: not found
259 2011-02-14 01:59:34 <lolcat> b1ag.com/file.lol isn't found? Works here
260 2011-02-14 01:59:50 <lolcat> http://b1ag.com/file.lol
261 2011-02-14 01:59:51 <hozer> oh ;) 1 vs L
262 2011-02-14 02:00:03 <lolcat> hozer: yeo
263 2011-02-14 02:00:12 <lolcat> Yep*
264 2011-02-14 02:00:20 <lolcat> Either my upload is slow, or nobody has 100mbit
265 2011-02-14 02:00:35 <hozer> ~ 600K/s from a UK vps
266 2011-02-14 02:00:48 <lolcat> Seams my cpu is at 100% oO
267 2011-02-14 02:01:11 <hozer> hrrm.. it's varying from 400k to 600k
268 2011-02-14 02:01:30 <lolcat> Now?
269 2011-02-14 02:01:40 <hozer> yeah.. slow now
270 2011-02-14 02:01:43 <hozer> where's the server at
271 2011-02-14 02:01:46 <lolcat> Bah, it is using to much cpu
272 2011-02-14 02:01:50 <lolcat> Netherlands
273 2011-02-14 02:02:00 <lolcat> There is something wrong with it though
274 2011-02-14 02:02:04 <hozer> hrrm
275 2011-02-14 02:02:13 <hozer> io-bound?
276 2011-02-14 02:02:29 <lolcat> 4 apache processes together using 100%
277 2011-02-14 02:02:41 <lolcat> OpenVZ, I keep hitting the tcpsndbuf
278 2011-02-14 02:03:00 <hozer> whoa
279 2011-02-14 02:03:04 <hozer> 3.9M/s
280 2011-02-14 02:03:13 <lolcat> I am convinced there is some error there (I can download the same file with the much smaller tcprcvbuf
281 2011-02-14 02:03:20 <hozer> okay, whatever you did helped
282 2011-02-14 02:03:28 <genjix> nanotube: hey around?
283 2011-02-14 02:03:53 <genjix> ArtForz: ?
284 2011-02-14 02:04:04 <lolcat> hozer: Yep much bether speeds now
285 2011-02-14 02:04:13 <lolcat> Still, it is maxing my cpu
286 2011-02-14 02:04:19 <hozer> lolcat: 2.5M/s now to a Bytemark datacenter
287 2011-02-14 02:04:22 <lolcat> Wich is weird with something like 1 download
288 2011-02-14 02:04:34 <hozer> hrrm, what's the relative cpu speed?
289 2011-02-14 02:04:38 <lolcat> 80% cpu usage at 40MB/s
290 2011-02-14 02:04:45 <genjix> jaromil: tcatm or noagendamarket , you around?
291 2011-02-14 02:04:45 <lolcat> 2ghz 1 core
292 2011-02-14 02:05:09 <genjix> nanotube: or ArtForz ?
293 2011-02-14 02:06:56 <noagendamarket> yes
294 2011-02-14 02:07:07 <noagendamarket> what's up ?
295 2011-02-14 02:07:08 <genjix> i made a new client
296 2011-02-14 02:07:16 <genjix> can i send you some money to test?
297 2011-02-14 02:07:24 <genjix> and you send me it back in various amounts?
298 2011-02-14 02:07:55 <hozer> genjix: what's different about this client
299 2011-02-14 02:07:56 <grubles> <- dingus here
300 2011-02-14 02:08:15 <genjix> hozer: uses Qt, has a system tray icon, looks prettier
301 2011-02-14 02:08:19 <noagendamarket> ok
302 2011-02-14 02:08:23 <genjix> addy?
303 2011-02-14 02:08:26 <genjix> thx
304 2011-02-14 02:08:40 <grubles> maemo is dead
305 2011-02-14 02:08:45 <lolcat> I know
306 2011-02-14 02:08:47 <genjix> nokia is dead. maemo is dead
307 2011-02-14 02:08:54 <lolcat> Nokia is dead now
308 2011-02-14 02:08:59 <grubles> *meego is dead, therefore, maemo is dead
309 2011-02-14 02:08:59 <hozer> WebOS! ;)
310 2011-02-14 02:09:02 <lolcat> Maemo has been dead for a long time
311 2011-02-14 02:09:07 <noagendamarket> 18vSVcS8upH34qsFvshwjxHcxH2gNnusff
312 2011-02-14 02:09:10 <genjix> k
313 2011-02-14 02:09:20 <noagendamarket> where do you want me to send it back to ?
314 2011-02-14 02:09:21 <grubles> i miss my n900 :'(
315 2011-02-14 02:09:30 <lolcat> But after my N900 breaks, I won't have any good phone options
316 2011-02-14 02:09:38 <lolcat> I think I will just stop using phones then
317 2011-02-14 02:09:50 <grubles> yeah...once you go n900 you never go back
318 2011-02-14 02:10:20 <grubles> i miss playing super mario bros with a tethered bluetooth ps3 controller :'(
319 2011-02-14 02:10:26 <nanotube> genjix: sup
320 2011-02-14 02:10:38 <lolcat> I can't live with touch screen only, I don't like android, I don't like symbian and I will certanly never buy a Windows MObile
321 2011-02-14 02:10:39 <genjix> noagendamarket: 18vSVcS8upH34qsFvshwjxHcxH2gNnusff send at least 5 transactions of varying amounts
322 2011-02-14 02:10:43 <genjix> noagendamarket: i sent you 10 btc
323 2011-02-14 02:10:59 <genjix> nanotube: hey, i just needed a tester... noagendamarket is here now ;)
324 2011-02-14 02:11:05 <nanotube> ah ok :)
325 2011-02-14 02:11:31 <grubles> lolcat: youre sol for now then
326 2011-02-14 02:11:44 <hozer> lolcat: have you looked at any of the Palm/HP webos stuff?
327 2011-02-14 02:11:53 <doublec> nokia said they'll still release a meego phone
328 2011-02-14 02:11:53 <genjix> noagendamarket: oops
329 2011-02-14 02:12:01 <genjix> noagendamarket: 18vSVcS8upH34qsFvshwjxHcxH2gNnusff
330 2011-02-14 02:12:03 <lolcat> hozer: Not really
331 2011-02-14 02:12:04 <genjix> i found a bug :p
332 2011-02-14 02:12:17 <lolcat> I love the maemo phone, my phone bill not so much
333 2011-02-14 02:12:29 <doublec> lolcat: what does "invent bitcoin for maemo" mean?
334 2011-02-14 02:12:34 <doublec> lolcat: bitcoind runs on maemo
335 2011-02-14 02:12:43 <doublec> can I have my 8btc now?
336 2011-02-14 02:12:51 <hozer> lolcat: I have X-windows & a shell on my phone
337 2011-02-14 02:12:55 <lolcat> The texting is so much like IM, that I send 3x as much sms as I should
338 2011-02-14 02:13:02 <genjix> noagendamarket: 13RmwHmpm8fuE3pe1rTGE5uunzoQsGfzAT
339 2011-02-14 02:13:03 <genjix> 13RmwHmpm8fuE3pe1rTGE5uunzoQsGfzAT
340 2011-02-14 02:13:04 <genjix> 13RmwHmpm8fuE3pe1rTGE5uunzoQsGfzAT
341 2011-02-14 02:13:05 <genjix> 13RmwHmpm8fuE3pe1rTGE5uunzoQsGfzAT
342 2011-02-14 02:13:07 <lolcat> doublec: I have bitcoind on my phone
343 2011-02-14 02:13:25 <doublec> lolcat: that's why I was asking for clarification
344 2011-02-14 02:13:40 <lolcat> Gui and stuff
345 2011-02-14 02:13:54 <noagendamarket> genjix sending
346 2011-02-14 02:14:06 <genjix> thanks
347 2011-02-14 02:15:24 <genjix> cool i see it :)
348 2011-02-14 02:15:32 <lolcat> For some strange reason I have 3050 instead of 1GB ram
349 2011-02-14 02:16:29 <genjix> noagendamarket: perfect
350 2011-02-14 02:16:33 <genjix> thanks
351 2011-02-14 02:16:36 <noagendamarket> :)
352 2011-02-14 02:18:00 <Mango-chan> http://i.imgur.com/E4on8.jpg i just spent 300$ on a keyboard
353 2011-02-14 02:18:02 <Mango-chan> feels... i don't know
354 2011-02-14 02:20:23 <da2ce7> ok, retractable crypto keys... what are the limitations.
355 2011-02-14 02:21:37 <da2ce7> can I issue out say 100 keys, that can sign. But have only one public key that needs to be used to check?
356 2011-02-14 02:22:29 <da2ce7> if I change that public key later on, can I have 99 keys that still work, but one key that is now invalid?
357 2011-02-14 02:25:59 <genjix> i was wondering this myself
358 2011-02-14 02:26:57 <presence> well hell the ati bin totally assed the box
359 2011-02-14 02:27:10 <presence> it might be easier to reinstall than mess with this BS
360 2011-02-14 02:27:52 <gribble> theymos was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 1 day, 22 hours, 32 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <theymos> I did, but I didn't feel like testing them. Do you know if they work?
361 2011-02-14 02:27:52 <necrodearia> ;;seen theymos
362 2011-02-14 02:30:27 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
363 2011-02-14 02:30:27 <necrodearia> ;;later tell theymos If you have time, can you help me with some PHP/PostgreSQL issues?
364 2011-02-14 02:31:46 <Kiba> ;seen kiba
365 2011-02-14 02:31:54 <Kiba> ;;seen kiba
366 2011-02-14 02:31:55 <gribble> kiba was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 7 seconds ago: <Kiba> ;seen kiba
367 2011-02-14 02:31:59 <Kiba> :(
368 2011-02-14 02:34:00 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
369 2011-02-14 02:34:00 <necrodearia> ;;later tell Kiba gribble can't see the present or the future, only the past
370 2011-02-14 02:40:11 <presence> if I only had known how much a pain this ati shit was going to be
371 2011-02-14 02:42:47 <lfm> ya even people who have gone thru it seem to underestimate the problems
372 2011-02-14 02:43:58 <ntosme2> is the problem Windows drivers? would Linux be easier?
373 2011-02-14 02:49:25 <genjix> ntosme2: yes, you need to install linux.
374 2011-02-14 02:49:50 <ntosme2> good, that's what I'm using
375 2011-02-14 02:50:16 <ntosme2> I will be playing this 'game' in a few days
376 2011-02-14 02:51:07 <genjix> oh good cos i was trying to goad you into installing linux :)
377 2011-02-14 02:51:16 <genjix> they're talking about linux
378 2011-02-14 02:51:27 <ntosme2> great...
379 2011-02-14 02:51:55 <ntosme2> I have a gefore 8600 working, is it the ATI driver that is a pain?
380 2011-02-14 02:52:02 <ntosme2> geforce
381 2011-02-14 02:52:58 <ntosme2> perhaps I will run winXP for that system...
382 2011-02-14 02:55:50 <luke-jr> ntosme2: maybe, but nvidia cards are worthless :P
383 2011-02-14 02:56:17 <luke-jr> my CPU can mine as well as your GPU
384 2011-02-14 02:56:18 <ntosme2> luke-jr: for this purpose, pretty much
385 2011-02-14 02:56:40 <ntosme2> not as efficiently :-p
386 2011-02-14 02:57:51 <lfm> for instance I cannot apply current security patches to ubuntu cuz the ati drivers quit working
387 2011-02-14 02:57:55 <luke-jr> ntosme2: um, no such thing
388 2011-02-14 02:58:31 <luke-jr> the only reason I had any problems, is because my kernel is cross-compiled
389 2011-02-14 02:58:45 <luke-jr> and ATi's drivers don't like different userland/kernel architecture
390 2011-02-14 02:58:54 <ntosme2> wonderful
391 2011-02-14 02:59:20 <ntosme2> this is why I have avoided AMD/ATI GPUs in the past
392 2011-02-14 02:59:51 <phantomcircuit> is it just me or is the makefile.unix extremely temperamental
393 2011-02-14 03:00:21 <bk128> so is it easier to run windows or linux to mine with an ATI card?
394 2011-02-14 03:00:30 <genjix> phantomcircuit: works fine for me.
395 2011-02-14 03:00:51 <lfm> phantomcircuit: not just you
396 2011-02-14 03:00:59 <genjix> i just install the right packages and im ok
397 2011-02-14 03:01:06 <phantomcircuit> yeah im not using ubuntu
398 2011-02-14 03:01:13 <genjix> ah k
399 2011-02-14 03:01:16 <lfm> phantomcircuit: it is quite sensitive to certain versions of wx libs and boost and bdb
400 2011-02-14 03:03:05 <luke-jr> ntosme2: nvidia is all the worse
401 2011-02-14 03:03:20 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: I never got makefile.unix to work. ever.
402 2011-02-14 03:03:42 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: easier to write your own qmake .pro file
403 2011-02-14 03:04:18 <lfm> i think nvidia software is slightly more stable but the whole gpgpu cuda as well as opencl is still pretty new and still being developed
404 2011-02-14 03:04:47 <luke-jr> lfm: nope
405 2011-02-14 03:05:02 <luke-jr> furthermore, there is no free OS alternative for nvidia cards
406 2011-02-14 03:05:03 <lfm> /ignore luke-jr all
407 2011-02-14 03:05:48 <luke-jr> lfm: your loss/ignorance.
408 2011-02-14 03:06:06 <Animeking> Hmm
409 2011-02-14 03:06:12 <lfm> luke-jr: note the first two words there. dont try to tell me what I think you twit
410 2011-02-14 03:06:20 <Animeking> whats the name of the site I can use to check the current exchange rate for Bitcoins?
411 2011-02-14 03:07:22 <luke-jr> Animeking: bitcoingraphs.com IIRC
412 2011-02-14 03:07:39 <Validus> lol its ok lfm. apparently were all ignorant if you dont agree with the troll
413 2011-02-14 03:07:43 <Validus> lil ati fanboy
414 2011-02-14 03:07:50 <[Noodles]> http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/
415 2011-02-14 03:08:00 <luke-jr> ah, that's it
416 2011-02-14 03:08:20 <Validus> you failed to make one valid point yet. all day long. cept to troll and cause shit
417 2011-02-14 03:08:23 <Validus> now you are on ignore
418 2011-02-14 03:08:34 <Validus> cuz frankly my left nut has more brains than you do
419 2011-02-14 03:08:48 <luke-jr> lol
420 2011-02-14 03:08:51 <luke-jr> more ignorance
421 2011-02-14 03:09:58 <Validus> and a fyi. nvidia is alot more supported on linux than ati's gay worthless ass drivers
422 2011-02-14 03:10:10 <Validus> and i have an ati card
423 2011-02-14 03:10:18 <luke-jr> it's not Linux anymore when you add a blob to it, n00b
424 2011-02-14 03:10:41 <luke-jr> at least ATi cards *work* with *real* Linux
425 2011-02-14 03:10:55 <Validus> ya im sure you think ubuntu is real linux to
426 2011-02-14 03:11:01 <lfm> so long as you dont breate on them
427 2011-02-14 03:11:05 <Validus> * Added luke-jr!*@* to ignore list
428 2011-02-14 03:11:09 <lfm> so long as you dont breathe on them
429 2011-02-14 03:11:14 <Validus> fuck that troll
430 2011-02-14 03:11:18 <Validus> ignorant lil kiddie
431 2011-02-14 03:12:13 <luke-jr> the ignorant one, is the one who won't even listen to others' views before rejecting them ;)
432 2011-02-14 03:12:34 <lfm> Validus: he is old enuf to know better or so he claims to have reproduced
433 2011-02-14 03:12:46 <Animeking> actually
434 2011-02-14 03:12:50 <Validus> ya. babies going down the shower drain
435 2011-02-14 03:13:04 <Animeking> with nouveau nvidia now 'works with real linux' if you what you say is true. :\n241764
436 2011-02-14 03:13:17 <Animeking> but it works.
437 2011-02-14 03:13:34 <luke-jr> Animeking: for 3D and video?
438 2011-02-14 03:13:41 <Animeking> as I said
439 2011-02-14 03:13:44 <Animeking> crippled greately
440 2011-02-14 03:13:46 <Animeking> but it works
441 2011-02-14 03:13:58 <Validus> i just hope he's young. so he has time to actually learn something and forced to be in school
442 2011-02-14 03:14:05 <Validus> cuz if thats an adult. my god...
443 2011-02-14 03:14:07 <luke-jr> I'm not sure most people would call it working, if there's no video accel <.<
444 2011-02-14 03:14:11 <lfm> certainly ahead of ati open drivers
445 2011-02-14 03:14:24 <luke-jr> LOL, definitely not
446 2011-02-14 03:14:27 <Validus> ive developed a new hate for ati from linux + ati
447 2011-02-14 03:14:36 <luke-jr> free software support for ATi works *great* out of the box
448 2011-02-14 03:14:36 <Validus> i got it working with my project yes
449 2011-02-14 03:14:44 <Validus> 45 work hrs later and about 8 adderall
450 2011-02-14 03:14:49 <luke-jr> just not OpenCL basically
451 2011-02-14 03:14:50 <Validus> lol
452 2011-02-14 03:14:54 <jrabbit> luke-jr: suuuuure
453 2011-02-14 03:15:20 <Animeking> I actually believe luke-jr because I found the nouveau drivers to work very well out of the box as well...just no 3D acceleration :\n241783
454 2011-02-14 03:15:32 <Animeking> nvidia proprietary drivers
455 2011-02-14 03:15:37 <Animeking> do offer supperior power
456 2011-02-14 03:15:44 <Validus> ati hw accellereation works as of dec 2010
457 2011-02-14 03:15:46 <Validus> from 1 guy that made it
458 2011-02-14 03:15:57 <Validus> i spent 45 hrs compiling and troubleshooting to get gpu accelration in video
459 2011-02-14 03:16:05 <luke-jr> from like 2004 to Jan 2011
460 2011-02-14 03:16:08 <lfm> I admit the ati hardware is somewhat ahead of nvida atm
461 2011-02-14 03:16:21 <Validus> hardware dont mean nothing if you cant support it with drivers
462 2011-02-14 03:16:25 <Animeking> I consider ati and nvidia to be about equal at the moment
463 2011-02-14 03:16:34 <Animeking> they offer superior performance, with increased energy usage :\n241794
464 2011-02-14 03:16:39 <Animeking> and heat.
465 2011-02-14 03:17:03 <luke-jr> Animeking: if you're using free software, ATi at least can do video and 3D accel good enough for HD video and games
466 2011-02-14 03:17:09 <luke-jr> can you say the same for nvidia?
467 2011-02-14 03:17:25 <Animeking> No, I'm not arguing by saying nvidia offers superior free drivers.
468 2011-02-14 03:17:38 <Animeking> They do have superior prop drivers though.
469 2011-02-14 03:17:49 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, yeah actually i can
470 2011-02-14 03:17:58 <luke-jr> in the end, free drivers are the only *real* Linux support. everything else might as well be Windows (and is in fact a wrapper around Windows drivers)
471 2011-02-14 03:18:06 <Animeking> :\n241803
472 2011-02-14 03:18:19 <Animeking> lol
473 2011-02-14 03:18:20 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: nouveau can play games?
474 2011-02-14 03:18:25 <luke-jr> Animeking: &
475 2011-02-14 03:18:34 <phantomcircuit> no the nvidia drivers can
476 2011-02-14 03:18:47 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, also the linux nvidia drivers are not a wrapper of the windows drivers
477 2011-02-14 03:18:54 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: key words: "if you're using free software,"
478 2011-02-14 03:19:16 <luke-jr> nouveau is the only free software driver for nvidia cards
479 2011-02-14 03:19:23 <Validus> lol i almost wish i didnt have ignore on to see that one
480 2011-02-14 03:19:43 <Animeking> "1.08 " does this mean that every single coin is no worth 1 dollar and 8 cents o.O
481 2011-02-14 03:19:57 <luke-jr> Animeking: see "volume"
482 2011-02-14 03:20:12 <lfm> Animeking: basiclly ya
483 2011-02-14 03:20:24 <luke-jr> Animeking: to actually sell every single coin, you would probably destroy the market and reduce it to 0
484 2011-02-14 03:20:46 <Animeking> Ah.
485 2011-02-14 03:20:59 <luke-jr> heck, I wouldn't be surprised if selling 10% did that
486 2011-02-14 03:21:05 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, i honestly dont care that the nvidia drivers replace about 50% of Xorg
487 2011-02-14 03:21:26 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: ok. some people do care.
488 2011-02-14 03:22:19 <Animeking> I actually do care that the nvidia drivers replace 50% of Xorg. I honestly wish they'd just release docs to make it easier on nvidia users who don't care about the best performance but  at the very least want okay 3D acceleration.
489 2011-02-14 03:22:22 <Animeking> For simple things.
490 2011-02-14 03:22:22 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, the foss drivers are ati were last  i knew complete and utter shit
491 2011-02-14 03:22:57 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: could be, depending on the card. I'd been using one for the past 7 years, with no problems playing 3D games, etc
492 2011-02-14 03:23:37 <luke-jr> I can't say for sure that performance was top-notch 7 years ago, but it certainly *worked* (including 3D) that whole time
493 2011-02-14 03:24:18 <phantomcircuit> i could never get the ati card in my moms desktop to work
494 2011-02-14 03:24:26 <lfm> i suspect so long as nvida and ati are competeing the way they are we wont see complete current hardware docs since they dont want to give any edge to the other guy
495 2011-02-14 03:24:27 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: what card was it?
496 2011-02-14 03:24:49 <luke-jr> lfm: um, except that ATi/AMD *does* give the docs to X.org/Linux developers
497 2011-02-14 03:24:56 <luke-jr> lfm: even for their newest cards, last I checked
498 2011-02-14 03:24:59 <Animeking> keyword
499 2011-02-14 03:25:01 <Animeking> COMPLETE
500 2011-02-14 03:25:02 <lfm> for 5 year old crap
501 2011-02-14 03:25:06 <luke-jr> oh, complete
502 2011-02-14 03:25:10 <luke-jr> we'll never see complete
503 2011-02-14 03:25:13 <luke-jr> there's DRM in there
504 2011-02-14 03:25:23 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, some Rage all-in-wonder card
505 2011-02-14 03:25:27 <phantomcircuit> cant remember the model
506 2011-02-14 03:25:43 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: that sounds ancient. I meant the Radeon line which has been current for the past 10+ years
507 2011-02-14 03:26:02 <lfm> ok 10 year old crap
508 2011-02-14 03:26:02 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, 8+ years
509 2011-02-14 03:26:03 <phantomcircuit> ;)
510 2011-02-14 03:26:12 <luke-jr> lfm: the 10 yo crap is what *doesn't* work :p
511 2011-02-14 03:26:18 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: sure? feels like more
512 2011-02-14 03:26:25 <luke-jr> this computer is actually my first non-ATi gfx chipset
513 2011-02-14 03:26:39 <luke-jr> before my last Radeon X850, I had a Radeon 9200
514 2011-02-14 03:26:51 <luke-jr> before that was my last nvidia, a GeForce 2 MX
515 2011-02-14 03:27:29 <luke-jr> (so technically, not my *first ever* non-ATi, but first in a LOOOONG time)
516 2011-02-14 03:29:24 <lfm> ok they wont give us the hdmi drm stuff we'll have to figure that out for ourselves but they dont reall even release the rest
517 2011-02-14 03:29:57 <luke-jr> lfm: they do release enough for good 3D performance, I'm certain&
518 2011-02-14 03:30:32 <lfm> 3d is 15 years ago, we need the opencl support
519 2011-02-14 03:30:59 <luke-jr> AFAIK, OpenCL is strictly a DRI/X.org issue now
520 2011-02-14 03:31:13 <luke-jr> not a driver thing
521 2011-02-14 03:32:12 <lfm> should be able to support opencl without any X
522 2011-02-14 03:32:24 <luke-jr> I wish, but it doesn't seem like it's going to happen :/
523 2011-02-14 03:33:08 <lfm> i bet we see it on nvidia first
524 2011-02-14 03:33:34 <luke-jr> maybe proprietary nvidia.
525 2011-02-14 03:33:42 <luke-jr> they did an AIGLX-equivalent first IIRC
526 2011-02-14 03:37:12 <luke-jr> but personally, the moment I can do OpenCL with free software, I'm trashing the ATi blobs
527 2011-02-14 03:37:22 <luke-jr> whether it means an idle X server or not :p
528 2011-02-14 03:38:44 <davex___> any of you overvolting your ATI cards?
529 2011-02-14 03:39:06 <Animeking> So, how does the whole volume thing, marketting exchange work
530 2011-02-14 03:39:24 <davex___> i can't figure out how to do it
531 2011-02-14 03:40:13 <lfm> Animeking: volume just tells you how many btc were echanged in the time period involved
532 2011-02-14 03:40:39 <Animeking> ah
533 2011-02-14 03:41:02 <lfm> so larger volume is more significant
534 2011-02-14 03:41:06 <Animeking> Ah
535 2011-02-14 03:41:14 <Animeking> Would selling BCs effect the market negatively? :\n241874
536 2011-02-14 03:42:55 <Animeking> So someone has to 'want' your BCs first?
537 2011-02-14 03:43:37 <lfm> pretty much ya, so the cheaper you offer them the quicker someone will snap em up in general
538 2011-02-14 03:45:05 <jgarzik> luke-jr: you can probably do CAL with open source software
539 2011-02-14 03:45:09 <lfm> if you match the outsyanding offers you can sell immeadiatly
540 2011-02-14 03:45:21 <jgarzik> someone just needs to dig into the details of X.org shader stuff
541 2011-02-14 03:45:29 <jgarzik> google for r600demo
542 2011-02-14 03:45:36 <luke-jr> CAL?
543 2011-02-14 03:45:45 <jgarzik> luke-jr: ATI-specific instruction set
544 2011-02-14 03:46:07 <luke-jr> ah
545 2011-02-14 03:47:02 <presence> ok, so once I get the ati stream sdk compiled...how do I "install" it
546 2011-02-14 03:47:40 <presence> there is no make install....
547 2011-02-14 03:47:43 <jgarzik> luke-jr: so if you can program in C and shader-assembly, you can probably get 100% FOSS going
548 2011-02-14 03:47:49 <lfm> presence: I never compiled it, just installed it according to the documented instructions
549 2011-02-14 03:47:54 <davex___> there's a pdf in there that lists a couple environment vars to set
550 2011-02-14 03:47:59 <presence> ok
551 2011-02-14 03:48:04 <luke-jr> jgarzik: C, sure& shader, not so much XD
552 2011-02-14 03:48:15 <presence> just toss it somewhere and set some env
553 2011-02-14 03:48:24 <davex___> yup that's what i did
554 2011-02-14 03:48:38 <jgarzik> ATI/AMD opened the hardware docs, too.  so that's open.
555 2011-02-14 03:49:06 <lfm> also the icd files need to be installed to point to the right drivers
556 2011-02-14 03:50:16 <jgarzik> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/r600_demo/tree/?h=master
557 2011-02-14 03:50:45 <presence> odd
558 2011-02-14 03:51:15 <lfm> presence: odd? the icd files?
559 2011-02-14 03:51:21 <presence> nah
560 2011-02-14 03:51:24 <presence> the docs are trunked
561 2011-02-14 03:51:28 <presence> almost nothing in them
562 2011-02-14 03:51:33 <jgarzik> bleh.  windows (winsock2) limits portable programs to using select :/
563 2011-02-14 03:52:36 <lfm> windows networking is based very heavily on bsd
564 2011-02-14 03:52:58 <presence> FATAL: Module nvidia not found.
565 2011-02-14 03:53:08 <presence> I have an nvidia chipset, but an ATI card
566 2011-02-14 03:53:16 <presence> this might prove to be unhappy
567 2011-02-14 03:53:52 <lfm> presence: does it have a on board video as well as the pcie ati card?
568 2011-02-14 03:54:22 <presence> no
569 2011-02-14 03:54:34 <lfm> should be ok then Id think
570 2011-02-14 03:54:50 <presence> yeah but all this opecl shit in in an nvidia lib dir
571 2011-02-14 03:55:00 <presence> where they came from I dont know
572 2011-02-14 03:55:07 <lfm> you need the ati opencl SDK
573 2011-02-14 03:55:24 <presence> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   36 2011-02-13 21:25 libvdpau_nvidia.so -> /etc/alternatives/libvdpau_nvidia.so
574 2011-02-14 03:55:27 <presence> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2010-10-07 10:10 nvidia
575 2011-02-14 03:55:28 <presence> yeah I have it
576 2011-02-14 03:55:30 <presence> drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 4096 2011-02-13 21:25 nvidia-current
577 2011-02-14 03:56:05 <presence> I have 2.1
578 2011-02-14 03:56:07 <lfm> presence: that gets installed on ubuntu but it shouldnt matter
579 2011-02-14 03:56:14 <presence> ls
580 2011-02-14 03:56:49 <presence> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     27 2011-02-13 21:24 libOpenCL.so -> nvidia-current/libOpenCL.so
581 2011-02-14 03:56:54 <presence> crap like that is going on
582 2011-02-14 03:57:11 <lfm> presence: the nvidia opencl doesnt support ati of course
583 2011-02-14 03:57:19 <presence> yeah, but I didnt install it
584 2011-02-14 03:57:54 <lfm> presence: it is a dependancy of the pyopencl (incorrectly we think)
585 2011-02-14 03:58:07 <presence> yep, Im looking and I see nvidia-current
586 2011-02-14 03:58:18 <presence> with pyopencl as a dependency
587 2011-02-14 03:58:24 <presence> so I guess I remove those
588 2011-02-14 03:58:31 <presence> and then not install the pyopencl package
589 2011-02-14 03:58:37 <lfm> presence: the files are there but they shouldnt get activated if you dont have a nvidia card
590 2011-02-14 03:59:31 <presence> apparently it didnt happen to me :(
591 2011-02-14 03:59:54 <lfm> dunno why then
592 2011-02-14 04:02:09 <Mango-chan> happy valentines est people
593 2011-02-14 04:03:31 <luke-jr> Happy St. Valentine's Day ;)
594 2011-02-14 04:05:19 <luke-jr> jgarzik: yeah, I don't think I know enough to make that code useful to me without weeks of studying it
595 2011-02-14 04:09:26 <presence> jesus christ this is epicly inane
596 2011-02-14 04:13:23 <luke-jr> presence: probably need to use a VM
597 2011-02-14 04:23:40 <Mango-chan> http://i.imgur.com/eTkDJ.jpg happy valentines day bitcoin community~
598 2011-02-14 04:24:45 <luke-jr> Mango-chan: St. Valentine's*
599 2011-02-14 04:25:34 <presence> finally got it running
600 2011-02-14 04:25:47 <presence> but it was utter hell
601 2011-02-14 04:26:02 <luke-jr> presence: both nvidia and ati blobs?
602 2011-02-14 04:27:24 <presence> rediculous
603 2011-02-14 04:27:46 <genjix> MT`AwAy seen this? http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/4556/engms.png ;)
604 2011-02-14 04:28:01 <presence> what tools in linux can monitor cpu use
605 2011-02-14 04:28:09 <genjix> the thread http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3451.0
606 2011-02-14 04:28:34 <presence> or gpu temp would be better
607 2011-02-14 04:28:39 <lolcat> htop?
608 2011-02-14 04:28:47 <MT`AwAy> genjix, ?
609 2011-02-14 04:29:06 <genjix> new client
610 2011-02-14 04:29:18 <genjix> in qt
611 2011-02-14 04:29:40 <MT`AwAy> lol
612 2011-02-14 04:30:00 <MT`AwAy> using bitcoind or new core ?
613 2011-02-14 04:30:06 <lfm> presence: : aticonfig   --od-gettemperature
614 2011-02-14 04:30:26 <genjix> MT`AwAy: bitcoind... nobody has access to your secret core
615 2011-02-14 04:30:42 <MT`AwAy> :p
616 2011-02-14 04:30:49 <genjix> but i can easily switch them
617 2011-02-14 04:30:57 <presence> no way to do it constantly without a script?
618 2011-02-14 04:31:01 <MT`AwAy> yep, especially since I have a bitcoind- compatible api
619 2011-02-14 04:31:03 <genjix> https://github.com/genjix/spesmilo/blob/master/core_interface.py
620 2011-02-14 04:31:18 <MT`AwAy> I'll have to see if I can swig my core
621 2011-02-14 04:31:21 <genjix> i had to add a new method to bitcoind (isinitialized)
622 2011-02-14 04:31:22 <lfm> presence: there is a ticonfig gui too but I havnt used it much
623 2011-02-14 04:31:24 <genjix> cool :)
624 2011-02-14 04:31:32 <presence> hmm 200Mhash
625 2011-02-14 04:31:33 <presence> thats horrible
626 2011-02-14 04:31:39 <presence> now temp is going down
627 2011-02-14 04:31:43 <lfm> presence: what card?
628 2011-02-14 04:31:47 <presence> 5870
629 2011-02-14 04:31:48 <presence> went up to 330
630 2011-02-14 04:31:51 <presence> then straight back down to 0
631 2011-02-14 04:35:09 <luke-jr> genjix: btw, wtf is the nonsense you added to teh QBitcoin page about PySide? XD
632 2011-02-14 04:35:26 <luke-jr> genjix: QBitcoin is a specific client, written in normal Qt, not Python
633 2011-02-14 04:35:34 <luke-jr> (right, MT`AwAy?)
634 2011-02-14 04:36:26 <presence> 86deg c
635 2011-02-14 04:36:49 <genjix> if the client is seperate from the core, then what difference does it make?
636 2011-02-14 04:37:23 <luke-jr> genjix: the difference is that QBitCoin is the name of MT`AwAy's client, and if you have your own client in PySide, it needs its own name :p
637 2011-02-14 04:37:37 <lfm> 86 seems to be getting a bit high
638 2011-02-14 04:37:55 <genjix> pyside is qt
639 2011-02-14 04:38:20 <presence> 88 now
640 2011-02-14 04:38:22 <MT`AwAy> genjix, PyBitcoin then ?
641 2011-02-14 04:38:27 <presence> the cooling in this case sucks
642 2011-02-14 04:38:51 <lfm> well the temp indicates it IS busy with something!
643 2011-02-14 04:39:31 <luke-jr> genjix: PySide is a Python API to access Qt modules
644 2011-02-14 04:40:07 <genjix> you care about this more than i do
645 2011-02-14 04:40:41 <toast> i now have a dedicated computer watching market price and live transactions, you guys watch anything else i should add to the list?
646 2011-02-14 04:40:58 <presence> took the side off of the case and its 10deg C cooler
647 2011-02-14 04:41:10 <lfm> presence: good idea
648 2011-02-14 04:41:11 <genjix> toast: does it follow stats like bitcoinwatch.com?
649 2011-02-14 04:41:27 <lfm> presence: can you add any fans to that case?
650 2011-02-14 04:41:33 <toast> im just using mtgox.com's megagraph, which is alright....
651 2011-02-14 04:41:36 <presence> its a horrible case
652 2011-02-14 04:41:44 <presence> has 2 80mm fan mounts
653 2011-02-14 04:41:51 <luke-jr> toast: except you presume MtGox to be *the* market
654 2011-02-14 04:41:56 <presence> I may cut the side panel and mount a 80cfm fan into it
655 2011-02-14 04:41:59 <presence> 120mm
656 2011-02-14 04:42:11 <toast> i know its just onemarket...
657 2011-02-14 04:42:17 <genjix> toast: sounds cool.
658 2011-02-14 04:42:38 <genjix> http://bitcoinwatch.com/
659 2011-02-14 04:42:48 <toast> does bitcoinwatch show more then one market?
660 2011-02-14 04:43:08 <toast> oh wonderful, thank you
661 2011-02-14 04:43:20 <genjix> you could try clicking the link :^)
662 2011-02-14 04:43:29 <genjix> however i think some things are missing from it:
663 2011-02-14 04:43:44 <genjix> - doesn't show current filesize of total blocks
664 2011-02-14 04:44:07 <genjix> - only 2 currencies
665 2011-02-14 04:44:11 <toast> genjix: i did click it, but i can not purchace btc with anything other then pp usd and usd
666 2011-02-14 04:44:15 <genjix> - api is in fucking files kjdsnbd#4
667 2011-02-14 04:44:21 <genjix> zip files
668 2011-02-14 04:44:42 <genjix> toast: it's a monitoring site, not for buying
669 2011-02-14 04:44:56 <genjix> shows all the major exchanges
670 2011-02-14 04:45:09 <toast> right on
671 2011-02-14 04:45:52 <toast> im still trying to find any other monitoring sites that are out there
672 2011-02-14 04:46:33 <luke-jr> you know charts?
673 2011-02-14 04:46:40 <luke-jr> and andrew12's?
674 2011-02-14 04:46:47 <toast> yes, looking for charts
675 2011-02-14 04:47:13 <devon_hillard> does anyone else have problems with diablo miner after installing the latest AMD drivers for windows?
676 2011-02-14 04:47:17 <toast> luke-jr: no i dont know andrew12
677 2011-02-14 04:47:46 <devon_hillard> Diablo-D3:
678 2011-02-14 04:48:42 <lfm> I went back to a disablo miner from Jan 1
679 2011-02-14 04:48:52 <toast> luke-jr: i found a git-hub, but the page is 404
680 2011-02-14 04:49:01 <presence> Im using diablos on linux, but poclbm on windows
681 2011-02-14 04:50:25 <Diablo-D3> what
682 2011-02-14 04:51:24 <devon_hillard> Diablo-D3: there seems to be a problem with the miner crashing after the latest ATI drivers were installed
683 2011-02-14 04:51:34 <devon_hillard> it crashes within 30 seconds
684 2011-02-14 04:51:58 <Diablo-D3> devon_hillard: there is a clear warning not to use 11.1
685 2011-02-14 04:51:59 <devon_hillard> it's a general java fault, not merely an exception
686 2011-02-14 04:52:49 <Diablo-D3> it crashes inside the driver, so I cant fix it
687 2011-02-14 04:52:51 <Diablo-D3> only amd can
688 2011-02-14 04:53:16 <devon_hillard> not sure how to downgrade
689 2011-02-14 04:53:37 <Diablo-D3> on windows?
690 2011-02-14 04:53:41 <devon_hillard> ah, wait, got it
691 2011-02-14 04:54:17 <Diablo-D3> on windows, you boot to safe mode, login as administrator, and use their full uninstall tool
692 2011-02-14 04:54:18 <Diablo-D3> reboot
693 2011-02-14 04:54:26 <Diablo-D3> safe mode, admin, install old drivers
694 2011-02-14 04:56:11 <presence> thats your whole day :(
695 2011-02-14 04:56:29 <Diablo-D3> it takes like 10 minutes
696 2011-02-14 04:56:49 <presence> no, I mean thats the same question all frickin day long
697 2011-02-14 04:56:52 <Diablo-D3> heh
698 2011-02-14 04:59:09 <lfm> presence: lotas same questions all day, which one are you thinking of?
699 2011-02-14 05:00:42 <presence> for diablod3
700 2011-02-14 05:01:41 <lfm> what question tho?
701 2011-02-14 05:01:50 <presence> drivers and diablominer
702 2011-02-14 05:01:53 <Diablo-D3> why does 11.1 suck dick
703 2011-02-14 05:02:07 <Diablo-D3> answer: because you didnt buy any new video cards lately
704 2011-02-14 05:02:24 <lfm> oh, ya we cant really answer that, gotta track down the ati developers
705 2011-02-14 05:02:41 <presence> I cant do that
706 2011-02-14 05:02:48 <presence> I want to make their lives miserable
707 2011-02-14 05:02:54 <presence> and if I find them I will
708 2011-02-14 05:03:59 <presence> so you have x/y diablo, whats each field for
709 2011-02-14 05:04:30 <Diablo-D3> ?
710 2011-02-14 05:04:37 <presence> is first immediate and second is average over time?
711 2011-02-14 05:04:54 <presence> x/y khash/sec in your output display
712 2011-02-14 05:05:05 <Diablo-D3> 15 second/forever
713 2011-02-14 05:06:00 <presence> cool
714 2011-02-14 05:06:42 <presence> Im going to have to figure out how to ratchet up the gpu on linux
715 2011-02-14 05:06:49 <presence> so I can go to 885
716 2011-02-14 05:11:22 <lfm> man you are quite the masochist
717 2011-02-14 05:12:21 <Diablo-D3> heh
718 2011-02-14 05:12:25 <presence> after dealing with the drivers, nothing else could be worse
719 2011-02-14 05:12:59 <presence> I have had less trouble crosscompiling code to run on an embedded system and bootlacing it, and then hand configuring X than I had with these horrible ati drivers
720 2011-02-14 05:13:31 <lfm> overclocking is just asking for more problems imho
721 2011-02-14 05:14:42 <presence> getting irc to compile on the pdp11 or pr1mos was easier
722 2011-02-14 05:14:50 <presence> that shit is just broken
723 2011-02-14 05:24:59 <devon_hillard> *** CAL version mismatch:
724 2011-02-14 05:25:12 <devon_hillard> I'm completely lost :(
725 2011-02-14 05:25:25 <devon_hillard> tried uninstalling catalyst 11.1 drivers
726 2011-02-14 05:25:49 <devon_hillard> I mean 10.11
727 2011-02-14 05:25:55 <devon_hillard> went back to 10.10
728 2011-02-14 05:26:03 <devon_hillard> even tried 10.12 beta preview
729 2011-02-14 05:26:36 <devon_hillard> diablo miner doesn't work anymore
730 2011-02-14 05:27:20 <devon_hillard> not sure what I did that opencl is no longer installed
731 2011-02-14 05:27:26 <presence> well, a cpu miner will work I guess
732 2011-02-14 05:27:29 <devon_hillard> I just uninstalled catalyst
733 2011-02-14 05:28:58 <presence> linux?
734 2011-02-14 05:29:08 <devon_hillard> what is the link to download the opencl drivers?
735 2011-02-14 05:29:10 <rapacity> archlinux
736 2011-02-14 05:30:26 <rapacity> had to install amdstream as well to get it to work
737 2011-02-14 05:30:46 <presence> if you change drivers you probably do have to reinstall the stream sdk
738 2011-02-14 05:31:55 <devon_hillard> is this the link: http://developer.amd.com/gpu/AMDAPPSDK/Pages/default.aspx ?
739 2011-02-14 05:32:07 <presence> looks like it
740 2011-02-14 05:32:17 <presence> although you want archived sdk
741 2011-02-14 05:32:50 <devon_hillard> I already installed that
742 2011-02-14 05:42:08 <devon_hillard> Diablo-D3: ok, I figured out I had to downgrade to version 2.1 of the SKD, but now I get an exception
743 2011-02-14 05:42:12 <devon_hillard> Diablo-D3: http://pastebin.com/tzXii7Sk
744 2011-02-14 05:43:16 <Diablo-D3> somethings broken on your setup
745 2011-02-14 05:43:26 <Diablo-D3> are you sure you setup the SDK correctly?
746 2011-02-14 05:44:08 <devon_hillard> Diablo-D3: this is my install report: http://pastebin.com/b2NcQvSV
747 2011-02-14 05:44:42 <presence> looks like your LD_LIBRARY_PATH isnt updated
748 2011-02-14 05:44:51 <Diablo-D3> presence: I think hes on windows
749 2011-02-14 05:44:56 <Diablo-D3> he'll have to follow the instructions in the PDF
750 2011-02-14 05:44:59 <presence> oh ok
751 2011-02-14 05:45:02 <devon_hillard> win 7 64bit
752 2011-02-14 05:54:39 <ntosme2> it appears my nvidia crap won't even overclock, the settings just don't stick
753 2011-02-14 06:01:51 <ntosme2> maybe it's time to play with natty
754 2011-02-14 06:03:14 <devon_hillard> what is the switch in poclbm to connect to slush's pool?
755 2011-02-14 06:05:05 <devon_hillard> nvm, it should work now :)
756 2011-02-14 06:06:07 <Validus> type pocblm -help
757 2011-02-14 06:06:42 <Validus> ya i typo'd that but u see what i mean
758 2011-02-14 06:07:48 <devon_hillard> --device=1 selects the GPU, whereas --device=0 uses just the CPU
759 2011-02-14 06:08:29 <Validus> -d 0 uses gpu on mine. it should tell you
760 2011-02-14 06:09:22 <Validus> when in doubt always type -help
761 2011-02-14 06:10:07 <devon_hillard> m0mchil hangs out is in this chat room?
762 2011-02-14 06:12:43 <devon_hillard> using --device=0 gets around 3Mh/s and the CPU goes to 100% activity (with no GPU activity), so it's using the CPU rather than the GPU
763 2011-02-14 06:13:30 <Validus> if you run it without the -d option itll tell you what the #'s goto
764 2011-02-14 06:13:56 <ntosme2> mine has no cpu option listed and my gpu is 0
765 2011-02-14 06:14:03 <devon_hillard> strange
766 2011-02-14 06:14:29 <Validus> just type poclbm
767 2011-02-14 06:14:56 <devon_hillard> it's happily mining right now on the slush pool
768 2011-02-14 06:15:05 <Validus> No device specified or device not found, use -d to specify one of the following
769 2011-02-14 06:15:19 <Validus> [0] ATI RV710
770 2011-02-14 06:15:22 <Validus> [1] Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU E6600 @ 3.06GHz
771 2011-02-14 06:18:35 <devon_hillard> I'd like to know what went wrong with the diablo setup, though
772 2011-02-14 06:19:01 <Diablo-D3> is slush's pool down again?
773 2011-02-14 06:19:07 <devon_hillard> no
774 2011-02-14 06:19:09 <Validus> no
775 2011-02-14 06:19:41 <Diablo-D3> meh it was for a couple seconds
776 2011-02-14 06:20:01 <devon_hillard> it's getting battered by slashdot, I hear
777 2011-02-14 06:20:11 <Validus> ya it said maintenance for like 3 seconds then went back to normal
778 2011-02-14 06:20:33 <Validus> from what i saw. i just got done watching a movie so i dont know heh
779 2011-02-14 06:24:39 <devon_hillard> slush: what is the particular slashdot thread?
780 2011-02-14 06:26:04 <jgarzik> devon_hillard: you mean this?  http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/02/10/189246/Online-Only-Currency-BitCoin-Reaches-Dollar-Parity
781 2011-02-14 06:26:25 <devon_hillard> jgarzik: thanks :)
782 2011-02-14 06:30:44 <ntosme2> so how many of you are finding a block daily?
783 2011-02-14 06:32:03 <devon_hillard> I've only found one block on the slush pool
784 2011-02-14 06:32:29 <devon_hillard> statistically, I should get one every week or so
785 2011-02-14 06:32:31 <afed> 33 blocks on slush pool
786 2011-02-14 06:32:41 <afed> "D
787 2011-02-14 06:32:41 <ntosme2> so in general are people using pools or independently?
788 2011-02-14 06:33:09 <afed> pooled up even though i run 7 GPUs
789 2011-02-14 06:33:24 <lfm> ntsoI think the smaller miners like cpu only people tend to use the pools.
790 2011-02-14 06:33:30 <afed> evens out the flow of blocks, more predictable that way
791 2011-02-14 06:33:47 <afed> flow of bitcoins i should sya
792 2011-02-14 06:34:07 <ntosme2> afed: so wouldn't you statistically be generating faster independently?
793 2011-02-14 06:34:19 <afed> ntosme2: statistically they should be the same
794 2011-02-14 06:34:21 <lfm> ntosme2: yes
795 2011-02-14 06:34:43 <lfm> afed there is more overhead and more chanmces for downtime with pools
796 2011-02-14 06:34:48 <afed> yes
797 2011-02-14 06:34:54 <afed> that's overhead, not statistics
798 2011-02-14 06:35:12 <devon_hillard> there could be potentially dead times during which the miner is not mining and trying to communicate with the server
799 2011-02-14 06:35:37 <lfm> a whole extra layer of communications adds delays which can void chances
800 2011-02-14 06:35:59 <jgarzik> smart miners would switch from one pool to another, to minimize income loss
801 2011-02-14 06:36:37 <afed> jgarzik: or switch from pool to independent after a certain number of shares into the pool?
802 2011-02-14 06:36:47 <afed> someone wronte a paper on that
803 2011-02-14 06:37:05 <afed> the consensus seems to be that that behavior is cheating
804 2011-02-14 06:37:20 <lfm> ya and slush has implemented countermeasures that make it way more difficult to know when to switch
805 2011-02-14 06:37:21 <Validus> i dont see how switching a pool is income loss
806 2011-02-14 06:37:22 <afed> there's an optimal point to switch from pool to indy to increase your return over just staying with the pool
807 2011-02-14 06:37:32 <JFK911> Serious cheating would be making your miner only return artificially low difficulty hits.
808 2011-02-14 06:37:42 <JFK911> Altho you'd have to be seriously mad at the pool to do that.
809 2011-02-14 06:37:48 <JFK911> Just toss out the block winners.
810 2011-02-14 06:38:02 <afed> lfm: if you're smart enough to come up with that method of cheating, you don't need the stats slush removed
811 2011-02-14 06:38:07 <lfm> JFK911: what we're talking about is different
812 2011-02-14 06:38:10 <afed> slush and the cheaters all know this
813 2011-02-14 06:38:12 <JFK911> I know.
814 2011-02-14 06:38:53 <afed> if you're like me and passed calc II by the skin of their teeth, the integrals are a little hard
815 2011-02-14 06:39:04 <dissipate_> JFK911, how does it help you to toss out the block winners?
816 2011-02-14 06:39:15 <JFK911> It doesn't really.  But it hurts the pool.
817 2011-02-14 06:39:34 <dissipate_> JFK911, which means you will receive less too, no?
818 2011-02-14 06:39:55 <Validus> well then dont join a pool and just wait
819 2011-02-14 06:39:56 <JFK911> Only the shares you declined to report.
820 2011-02-14 06:39:57 <Validus> and hope you get it
821 2011-02-14 06:40:04 <lfm> dissipateyes but you still get shares of blocks other people find
822 2011-02-14 06:40:22 <dissipate_> hmm
823 2011-02-14 06:40:34 <JFK911> There may be no defense against such anti-social behaviour, too.
824 2011-02-14 06:40:52 <dissipate_> what about bitpenny that gives you BTC for every hash of difficulty 1?
825 2011-02-14 06:41:21 <lfm> dissipate_ it still has the overheads and greater downtime due to the inserted layer
826 2011-02-14 06:41:46 <dissipate_> JFK911, sure there is. if you have been in the pool long enough, the pool can automatically calculate the probability that you are throwing out winning blocks over time by comparing the number of blocks you *should* have turned in as winners out of the total you have submitted thus far.
827 2011-02-14 06:43:07 <dissipate_> once the probability gets high enough to determine  you are throwing out winning blocks, you get kicked out of the pool (however that works).
828 2011-02-14 06:43:50 <lfm> dissipate_ can still be random chance
829 2011-02-14 06:45:53 <dissipate_> lfm, true. but it's like the roommate you suspect is stealing from you. he may not be, but you move away anyways just to be sure.
830 2011-02-14 06:47:01 <JFK911> dissipate_: Well, it can't justly penalize you, since it's only statistics.
831 2011-02-14 06:47:09 <lfm> thad suck, pools suck in general imho
832 2011-02-14 06:47:11 <dissipate_> lfm, if the probability threshold is set high enough, almost all of the people you kicked out would have been the 'anti-social' miners, with maybe a few with bad luck. :O
833 2011-02-14 06:47:20 <JFK911> With preimage attacks, you may be able to intelligently select hashes to test which will meet the low difficulty, anyway
834 2011-02-14 06:47:30 <JFK911> Thereby generating more shares
835 2011-02-14 06:47:44 <JFK911> CPU could pick ranges while GPU miners could finish them off.
836 2011-02-14 06:48:09 <lfm> JFK911: if you can do that you should throw out the pool and start doing it for yourself
837 2011-02-14 06:48:29 <dissipate_> lfm, at some point, pools will be necessary for pretty much everyone, since at a certain point the difficulty level will be so high that winning blocks will be so rare that it would take years for an individual miner to find one.
838 2011-02-14 06:48:50 <lfm> dissipateI dout it
839 2011-02-14 06:48:55 <JFK911> Well, I think that it will be much more difficult to generate winning blocks that way.
840 2011-02-14 06:49:13 <dissipate_> lfm, difficulty is going up exponentially
841 2011-02-14 06:49:13 <JFK911> But it could be easy enough to return results for pool work.
842 2011-02-14 06:49:28 <lfm> it doesnt forever
843 2011-02-14 06:49:37 <dissipate_> lfm, at some point, the single dorm room dweller won't be able to generate a block for a loong long time.
844 2011-02-14 06:49:59 <lfm> dissipate_ they dont matter anyway
845 2011-02-14 06:50:18 <dissipate_> not forever, no, but as more and more miners go online, it's going to get really tough to generate a block, end of story.
846 2011-02-14 06:50:31 <ntosme2> either that, or the housing department makes them shut down their gpu farm due to power usage
847 2011-02-14 06:51:09 <JFK911> News at 11: Bitcoin miner killed during police raid - SWAT team believed there was a marijuana grow
848 2011-02-14 06:51:35 <bk128> anyone see a problem with this rig I just ordered?  https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AnEN-UY38coAdE9BTklLUDYyWnpfOUxqdnRxWkdmbmc&hl=en&authkey=CIeTjdoD  (I built the top config)
849 2011-02-14 06:52:15 <dissipate_> lfm, why doesn't a single dorm room miner matter?
850 2011-02-14 06:52:20 <bk128> I'm just worried about the 850w psu with 2x 5870's.
851 2011-02-14 06:52:32 <dissipate_> i was talking to a guy running multiple GPUs in his dorm room and getting a  nice rake.
852 2011-02-14 06:52:42 <lfm> dissipate_ they barley matter now
853 2011-02-14 06:52:55 <JFK911> I have 2x overclocked 5870 on an Antec 500W Earthwatts piece of trash
854 2011-02-14 06:53:02 <JFK911> also a fat core i7
855 2011-02-14 06:53:09 <JFK911> have fun :)
856 2011-02-14 06:53:15 <dissipate_> lfm, o rly? they stopped mattering since yesterday? who matters now?
857 2011-02-14 06:53:33 <bk128> JFK911: no fires?
858 2011-02-14 06:53:53 <JFK911> No
859 2011-02-14 06:54:00 <bk128> nice :)
860 2011-02-14 06:54:05 <JFK911> This has been going hard for a month
861 2011-02-14 06:54:16 <bk128> Is OCing worth it?  does it void warranty/ decrease the lifetime of your cards?
862 2011-02-14 06:54:22 <JFK911> GPU fans still under 50%
863 2011-02-14 06:54:23 <JFK911> Well.
864 2011-02-14 06:54:40 <JFK911> ATI's overclock panel is kind of weak.  It doesn't have much headroom for the 5870.
865 2011-02-14 06:54:53 <JFK911> It seems that you can jack it up all the way without any effects.
866 2011-02-14 06:54:58 <JFK911> I might try rivatuner, though.