1 2011-02-15 13:17:11 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, Exception in thread "DiabloMiner Executor (Cypress (#1)/0)" java.lang.NoSuchMethodError: org.lwjgl.opencl.CLKernel.setArg(ILorg/lwjgl/opencl/CLObject;)Lorg/lwjgl/opencl/CLKernel;
  2 2011-02-15 13:17:19 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, at com.diablominer.DiabloMiner.DiabloMiner$DeviceState$ExecutionState.run(DiabloMiner.java:532)
  3 2011-02-15 13:17:52 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, happens for all my 6 cypress cores, then starts 'waiting' and reports 0/0 khash
  4 2011-02-15 13:18:24 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, (your latest miner from git)
  5 2011-02-15 13:30:40 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: someone else was bitching about that
  6 2011-02-15 13:30:44 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: cant fix because its a driver bug
  7 2011-02-15 13:32:15 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, can /I/ fix it in any way? i.e. by doing somethign to my driver?
  8 2011-02-15 13:33:19 <Diablo-D3> Im not sure
  9 2011-02-15 13:33:25 <Diablo-D3> this is on windows, right?
 10 2011-02-15 13:34:16 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, hell no
 11 2011-02-15 13:34:24 <Diablo-D3> Huh.
 12 2011-02-15 13:34:29 <Diablo-D3> what driver and sdk?
 13 2011-02-15 13:35:15 <UukGoblin> it's ubuntu 10.04, your miner commit a6a5b27b88f4c73f312303fc65e41870b39a308d works fine in the setup , sdk 2.1
 14 2011-02-15 13:35:25 <UukGoblin> how do I check what driver it is again..?
 15 2011-02-15 13:35:41 <Diablo-D3> apt-cache show fglrx-driver | grep Ver
 16 2011-02-15 13:35:50 <Diablo-D3> assuming ubuntu didnt rename fglrx like the bunch of fags they are
 17 2011-02-15 13:36:48 <UukGoblin> I believe I have 10.10
 18 2011-02-15 13:36:57 <UukGoblin> because a file named /root/ati-driver-installer-10-10-x86.x86_64.run exists
 19 2011-02-15 13:37:18 <UukGoblin> I didn't install the driver from apt I don't think
 20 2011-02-15 13:37:37 <xelister> UukGoblin: aah
 21 2011-02-15 13:37:40 <UukGoblin> again, an old version of your miner with a 0.3.14 bitcoind works fine
 22 2011-02-15 13:37:43 <xelister> fucking with Ati drivers versions maze
 23 2011-02-15 13:37:46 <xelister> the fun never stops :)
 24 2011-02-15 13:37:47 <Diablo-D3> I wish people wouldnt do that.
 25 2011-02-15 13:37:51 <Diablo-D3> do NOT use ati's installer
 26 2011-02-15 13:37:55 <Diablo-D3> it will fuck your shit up.
 27 2011-02-15 13:38:16 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, well I fucked with it back in november
 28 2011-02-15 13:38:22 <UukGoblin> don't feel like reinstalling the whole shit
 29 2011-02-15 13:38:23 <Diablo-D3> Ive been telling people this for years.
 30 2011-02-15 13:38:30 <xelister> UukGoblin: ati is shit
 31 2011-02-15 13:38:32 <UukGoblin> especially that older version of your miner works
 32 2011-02-15 13:38:34 <Diablo-D3> _always_ use distro provided packages fo rhsit like this
 33 2011-02-15 13:38:37 <xelister> everyone on the channel knows ati is shit
 34 2011-02-15 13:38:45 <UukGoblin> afaik there weren't any working distro provided packages...
 35 2011-02-15 13:38:52 <xelister> we should really group petition Amd to get the Ati slackers in shape
 36 2011-02-15 13:39:25 <Diablo-D3> ubuntu packages fglrx.
 37 2011-02-15 13:39:42 <xelister> I removedd ubuntu's fglrx and installed from amd.com - works ok
 38 2011-02-15 13:40:11 <sipa> you can ask that ati installer to generate .deb's for you
 39 2011-02-15 13:40:16 <sipa> those seem to work for me
 40 2011-02-15 13:40:28 <Diablo-D3> sipa: dont use those either
 41 2011-02-15 13:40:33 <Diablo-D3> they arent compatible with debians or ubuntus
 42 2011-02-15 13:40:46 <Diablo-D3> they just blindly install shit and dont use the alternatives system
 43 2011-02-15 13:41:02 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: erm
 44 2011-02-15 13:41:08 <Diablo-D3> that commit, how old is it?
 45 2011-02-15 13:41:22 <UukGoblin> sipa, they didn't for me, don't remember why
 46 2011-02-15 13:41:55 <Diablo-D3> blah
 47 2011-02-15 13:41:59 <Diablo-D3> thats back in novemeber
 48 2011-02-15 13:42:04 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, a6a5b2 is from nov 26
 49 2011-02-15 13:42:25 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: pull HEAD~1
 50 2011-02-15 13:42:31 <UukGoblin> yeah november is last time I fucked with it
 51 2011-02-15 13:43:27 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, that's one commit older than head, right?
 52 2011-02-15 13:43:32 <Diablo-D3> yes
 53 2011-02-15 13:43:55 <Diablo-D3> you can do shit like git reset --hard HEAD~1
 54 2011-02-15 13:43:59 <Diablo-D3> and git knows what to do
 55 2011-02-15 13:45:02 <UukGoblin> yup this one looks better
 56 2011-02-15 13:45:16 <Diablo-D3> the only change was to update to lwjgl 2.7.1
 57 2011-02-15 13:45:46 <UukGoblin> hrm.
 58 2011-02-15 13:46:01 <UukGoblin> what are the counters now? current/total?
 59 2011-02-15 13:46:09 <Diablo-D3> 15 second, forever
 60 2011-02-15 13:47:31 <UukGoblin> they vary quite a bit... older version started ~1.8Ghash and slowly went down to 1.55. This one started ~1.1 and is now at 1.45 and seems to be going up still
 61 2011-02-15 13:47:41 <UukGoblin> but the variation... is insane ;-)
 62 2011-02-15 13:47:54 <Diablo-D3> 15 second is supposed to tell you exactly what you're doing now
 63 2011-02-15 13:47:59 <Diablo-D3> its supposed to vary
 64 2011-02-15 13:48:02 <UukGoblin> yup
 65 2011-02-15 13:48:08 <UukGoblin> it's cool
 66 2011-02-15 13:48:12 <Diablo-D3> I bet if you move your mouse fast enough it'll go down
 67 2011-02-15 13:48:20 <UukGoblin> and I like the new logging look
 68 2011-02-15 13:48:49 <UukGoblin> I no longer need my patch to display the date along with the time of the found block :-]
 69 2011-02-15 13:49:00 <Diablo-D3> heh I made that change awhile ago
 70 2011-02-15 13:49:19 <UukGoblin> yup, the 'forever' counter went up to 1.54 Ghash already
 71 2011-02-15 13:49:42 <Diablo-D3> it takes up to 15 minutes for the forever counter to completely settle
 72 2011-02-15 13:49:56 <UukGoblin> I'm still surprised at how much it varies... it doesn't even have a mouse nor keyboard attached
 73 2011-02-15 13:50:17 <Diablo-D3> yeah, it really shows the effect of random shit like network activity and shit
 74 2011-02-15 13:50:50 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: theres one small problem though
 75 2011-02-15 13:50:51 <UukGoblin> hrm, so I'm guessing newer lwjgl requires shit from some newer driver/sdk?
 76 2011-02-15 13:51:00 <Diablo-D3> I cant reproduce the bug
 77 2011-02-15 13:51:05 <Diablo-D3> Im using 2.7.1 fine here
 78 2011-02-15 13:51:35 <Diablo-D3> and JNI only populates C wrappers when Java uses them
 79 2011-02-15 13:51:44 <Diablo-D3> and what I use obviously hasnt changed
 80 2011-02-15 13:52:06 <Diablo-D3> and the part that actually controls this, SDK 2.1, obviously hasnt changed
 81 2011-02-15 13:52:35 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: I suspect your driver might actually be broken
 82 2011-02-15 13:52:45 <Diablo-D3> like, ubuntu overwrote your driver if you installed ubuntu's
 83 2011-02-15 13:54:49 <UukGoblin> hrm
 84 2011-02-15 13:55:04 <UukGoblin> or lwjgl is incompatible with the driver I have
 85 2011-02-15 13:55:19 <Diablo-D3> which is impossible
 86 2011-02-15 13:55:29 <UukGoblin> I do see that the only change you made was to up the lwjgl version
 87 2011-02-15 13:55:36 <Diablo-D3> since the opencl library is provided by SDK 2.1
 88 2011-02-15 13:56:02 <Diablo-D3> its not provided by the driver
 89 2011-02-15 13:56:15 <Diablo-D3> aaaaand
 90 2011-02-15 13:56:25 <Diablo-D3> the function in question would break _every single opencl app ever_
 91 2011-02-15 13:57:02 <UukGoblin> so how may my driver be broken? how do I even tell which .so is it using?
 92 2011-02-15 13:59:46 <UukGoblin> hmml ooks like java consumes slightly more cpu now... 4-7% looking at top, compared to 0-1% earlier
 93 2011-02-15 14:00:19 <UukGoblin> but it may be my imagination, top sucks for that shit anyway
 94 2011-02-15 14:03:50 <xelister> UukGoblin: ha you also written log date/time of found block patch? woot =)
 95 2011-02-15 14:05:55 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, I tried to check with 2.7 but mvn failed with Unable to download the artifact from any repository
 96 2011-02-15 14:08:32 <UukGoblin> xelister, yeah, was simple enough for me not to bother Diablo-D3 about it ;-]
 97 2011-02-15 14:18:29 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, the 15sec variation is much lower after the temperature stabilizes
 98 2011-02-15 14:18:58 <UukGoblin> about +/- 0.05 Ghash instead of 0.5 Ghash
 99 2011-02-15 14:21:40 <edcba> i have a new idea !!!
100 2011-02-15 14:22:08 <edcba> what if you'd limit address creation with block chain
101 2011-02-15 14:22:40 <UukGoblin> what?
102 2011-02-15 14:23:01 <UukGoblin> why would you want to limit address creation?
103 2011-02-15 14:23:07 <edcba> to handle trust
104 2011-02-15 14:23:14 <UukGoblin> what trust?
105 2011-02-15 14:23:22 <edcba> identities if you prefer
106 2011-02-15 14:23:57 <UukGoblin> why? it's not the scope of bitcoin at all...
107 2011-02-15 14:24:14 <UukGoblin> you specifically /don't/ want to handle identities inside bitcoin to provide anonymity...
108 2011-02-15 14:24:48 <UukGoblin> number of addresses in existence doesn't make the slightest difference to the size of the blockchain
109 2011-02-15 14:25:01 <UukGoblin> so there's also no need to limit it
110 2011-02-15 14:25:16 <UukGoblin> if you want to create webs of trust, do it outside of bitcoin, like bitcoin-otc did
111 2011-02-15 14:29:49 <glassresistor> so i was trying to use liberty reserve on bitcoin market
112 2011-02-15 14:30:27 <glassresistor> but it says i need to get another service get the money out of my account, im really confused
113 2011-02-15 14:31:36 <edcba> ok sorry was on phone
114 2011-02-15 14:31:42 <UukGoblin> yup that's libertyreserve for you glassresistor
115 2011-02-15 14:31:50 <UukGoblin> there's exchangezone or something
116 2011-02-15 14:32:10 <edcba> you may still have some anonimity
117 2011-02-15 14:32:18 <UukGoblin> glassresistor, you could also try bitcoin-otc, maybe you'll find a LRUSD buyer there that'll pay you with paypal
118 2011-02-15 14:32:29 <edcba> you'd just add relation between addresses
119 2011-02-15 14:32:52 <UukGoblin> edcba, you can do it without limiting anything
120 2011-02-15 14:33:03 <UukGoblin> use a DHT and store trust information in it for instance
121 2011-02-15 14:33:29 <edcba> no i mean someone generate a fraudulent block
122 2011-02-15 14:34:01 <edcba> i want to penalize creator of the block
123 2011-02-15 14:34:37 <UukGoblin> the network will do it for you quickly enough
124 2011-02-15 14:34:52 <glassresistor> UukGoblin: im not completely aware of how bitcoin-otr work
125 2011-02-15 14:35:31 <edcba> so yes how bitcoin-otc works ?
126 2011-02-15 14:35:32 <UukGoblin> bitcoin-otc
127 2011-02-15 14:35:53 <glassresistor> what is a lr service that will do direct deposit for free or nearly free? since im the seller want the buyer pay the free anyways
128 2011-02-15 14:35:58 <UukGoblin> well check the website at http://bitcoin-otc.com/
129 2011-02-15 14:36:02 <UukGoblin> and join #bitcoin-otc
130 2011-02-15 14:36:05 <Diablo-D3> back
131 2011-02-15 14:36:27 <Diablo-D3> [10:05:55] <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, I tried to check with 2.7 but mvn failed with Unable to download the artifact from any repository
132 2011-02-15 14:36:30 <Diablo-D3> 2.7.1
133 2011-02-15 14:36:43 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, I've already determined 2.7.1 is broken
134 2011-02-15 14:36:45 <glassresistor> yeah i meant bitcoin-otc i know its an irc channel for trading but ive never understood how it worked or how to use it
135 2011-02-15 14:37:09 <edcba> UukGoblin: but here you may have to trust any new user as 'default'
136 2011-02-15 14:37:21 <UukGoblin> glassresistor, it's a channel that is supposed to get sellers and buyers together and make the trades easier
137 2011-02-15 14:37:46 <edcba> when limiting address default is backed with parent
138 2011-02-15 14:37:46 <UukGoblin> edcba, no, you trust only the length of the chain and validity of the blocks in it
139 2011-02-15 14:38:51 <edcba> UukGoblin: the problem lies with double spending by some block generator
140 2011-02-15 14:39:32 <UukGoblin> I don't think a block generator can double-spend
141 2011-02-15 14:39:36 <edcba> ie i generate a block but before broadcasting it i go to some online store makes a next to be double spent transaction
142 2011-02-15 14:39:57 <UukGoblin> yeah
143 2011-02-15 14:40:05 <UukGoblin> the store then waits for ~6 blocks to confirm the transaction
144 2011-02-15 14:40:14 <edcba> yes of course
145 2011-02-15 14:40:27 <UukGoblin> so you broadcast your fraudulent block, network realizes it's shit and drops it on the floor and generates 6 new of its own...
146 2011-02-15 14:40:35 <edcba> now we want a fast system
147 2011-02-15 14:41:20 <UukGoblin> like mtgox?
148 2011-02-15 14:41:23 <edcba> store doesn't want to wait for 6 blocks :)
149 2011-02-15 14:41:38 <UukGoblin> mtgox / mybitcoin.
150 2011-02-15 14:41:53 <UukGoblin> or any other bitcoin bank
151 2011-02-15 14:42:55 <UukGoblin> ideally what I'd like is a RFC for inter-bank bitcoin transfers
152 2011-02-15 14:43:10 <Diablo-D3> erm
153 2011-02-15 14:43:14 <edcba> i think bitcoin is actually inter-bank transfers...
154 2011-02-15 14:43:16 <Diablo-D3> that'd just be bitcoin
155 2011-02-15 14:43:17 <UukGoblin> so that you can seamlessly and quickly transfer bitcoins between mtgox and mybitcoin
156 2011-02-15 14:43:20 <Diablo-D3> since everyone IS a bank
157 2011-02-15 14:43:32 <edcba> what we need is a fast bitcoin for users
158 2011-02-15 14:43:34 <UukGoblin> no
159 2011-02-15 14:43:41 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: you'd just need addresses at mtgox and mybitcoin
160 2011-02-15 14:44:13 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, no, transfers within mtgox or mybitcoin are instantaneously confirmed by the reputation of the site
161 2011-02-15 14:44:35 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: define within... you mean mtgox->mtgox or mybitcoin->mybitcoin?
162 2011-02-15 14:44:42 <UukGoblin> both
163 2011-02-15 14:45:00 <UukGoblin> haven't actually used mybitcoin but I believe it allows user-to-user transfers?
164 2011-02-15 14:45:15 <Diablo-D3> user to user doesnt use bitcoin
165 2011-02-15 14:45:16 <Diablo-D3> thats why
166 2011-02-15 14:45:51 <UukGoblin> hm?
167 2011-02-15 14:45:58 <UukGoblin> oh
168 2011-02-15 14:46:00 <RichardG> anyone got bitcoinwatch to output data without [g]zipping
169 2011-02-15 14:46:16 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: like, go ahead and send money to yourself
170 2011-02-15 14:46:19 <Diablo-D3> it doesnt go anywhere
171 2011-02-15 14:46:21 <UukGoblin> RichardG, what's the problem with [g]unzipping?
172 2011-02-15 14:46:46 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: I dont think the transaction is even recorded
173 2011-02-15 14:47:06 <RichardG> UukGoblin: i'm coding an IRC bot but mIRC doesn't have a convenient way for [g]unzipping...
174 2011-02-15 14:47:07 <Diablo-D3> it just updates the bitcoin accounts if you're using them
175 2011-02-15 14:47:14 <Diablo-D3> RichardG: use perl you noob.
176 2011-02-15 14:47:17 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, I'm not actually sure if mtgox can do it, but what we're talking about here is an instant transfer of bitcoins from one mtgox account to another
177 2011-02-15 14:47:21 <RichardG> 100.0000001% of them are dlls which freeze the client while unpacking
178 2011-02-15 14:47:26 <RichardG> Diablo-D3: i dont code in perl
179 2011-02-15 14:47:30 <Diablo-D3> RichardG: learn to.
180 2011-02-15 14:47:34 <Diablo-D3> RichardG: otherwise, dont bother.
181 2011-02-15 14:47:37 <RichardG> no u.
182 2011-02-15 14:47:45 <Diablo-D3> stop promoting the use of closed source software
183 2011-02-15 14:48:11 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, and then extending it so that more services like mtgox could communicate with each other
184 2011-02-15 14:48:20 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: what Im saying is, any site that uses bitcoin accounts OR internal accounting of its own, the transfers will be instant
185 2011-02-15 14:48:36 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: but to send money between mtgox and mybitcoin, you'd use bitcoin for it
186 2011-02-15 14:48:43 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: otherwise you are subverting the proof of work chain
187 2011-02-15 14:48:43 <Sami345> yes!
188 2011-02-15 14:48:52 <Sami345> I GENERATED A BLOCK!!!!!
189 2011-02-15 14:48:59 <sipa> congratulations
190 2011-02-15 14:49:00 <Sami345> ALL BY MYSELF
191 2011-02-15 14:49:07 <bitcoin_bonus> woot
192 2011-02-15 14:49:08 <sipa> is it a boy?
193 2011-02-15 14:49:10 <Diablo-D3> lol
194 2011-02-15 14:49:12 <UukGoblin> RichardG, it's pointless getting bitcoinwatch to output large chunks of uncompressed data because it'd just waste bandwidth
195 2011-02-15 14:49:14 <grubles> *high five*
196 2011-02-15 14:49:16 <welterde> Diablo-D3: pff.. perl.. that's a dead end :P
197 2011-02-15 14:49:27 <sipa> flamewar!
198 2011-02-15 14:49:33 <Diablo-D3> welterde: except perl has an entire framework to write irc bots in
199 2011-02-15 14:49:36 <Diablo-D3> mirc doesnt.
200 2011-02-15 14:49:44 <Diablo-D3> mirc is also a pile of shit that cant be extended
201 2011-02-15 14:49:46 <welterde> Diablo-D3: perl > mirc. agreed.
202 2011-02-15 14:49:49 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, yes, but with a proper RFC and inter-site trust, you could speed it up and show it up as instantanous
203 2011-02-15 14:49:54 <Diablo-D3> nor does it run headless, or on linux
204 2011-02-15 14:50:06 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: except the entire point of bitcoin is to trust no one
205 2011-02-15 14:50:08 <welterde> in fact * > mirc.
206 2011-02-15 14:50:11 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: thus, no one should trust anyone
207 2011-02-15 14:50:17 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: ergo, your idea is invalid.
208 2011-02-15 14:50:26 <RichardG> i could do it in shell if it could do proper string parsing
209 2011-02-15 14:50:35 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, bitcoin inherently requires trust...
210 2011-02-15 14:50:37 <RichardG> and i had some irc framework
211 2011-02-15 14:50:38 <Diablo-D3> RichardG: sh+awk+sed == perl.
212 2011-02-15 14:50:42 <welterde> RichardG: search for zsh and irc client :P