1 2011-02-17 00:42:03 <JunK-Y> wooohoo found my first blocks via the pool!
  2 2011-02-17 00:44:10 <RBecker> ;;bc,stats
  3 2011-02-17 00:44:12 <gribble> Current Blocks: 108601 | Current Difficulty: 25997.87992881 | Next Difficulty At Block: 108863 | Next Difficulty In: 262 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 6 hours, 7 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35725.94586501
  4 2011-02-17 00:44:50 <RBecker> Once you get minecraft and start playing... you get addicted
  5 2011-02-17 00:44:53 <RBecker> Trust me, I have it ;)
  6 2011-02-17 00:45:22 <JunK-Y> RBecker: hehehe
  7 2011-02-17 00:46:13 <afed> i hope everyone is mining as hard as they can
  8 2011-02-17 00:46:42 <JunK-Y> yes, but the diff will be crazy :)
  9 2011-02-17 00:46:54 <afed> i need downtime to modify my miners and i'm going to waste low-difficulty time
 10 2011-02-17 00:47:07 <afed> it's outrageous that i had two GPUs down for five hours today
 11 2011-02-17 00:47:11 <JunK-Y> afed: modify it in 24 hours
 12 2011-02-17 00:47:44 <afed> yeah i'm converting them all to linux and swapping some drives later
 13 2011-02-17 00:47:51 <afed> probably saturday
 14 2011-02-17 00:48:29 <JunK-Y> ubuntu?
 15 2011-02-17 00:51:58 <yoR> Most miners will survive/keep running when the diff changes right?
 16 2011-02-17 00:53:14 <JunK-Y> yes, but im pretty sure some cpu users will just give up.
 17 2011-02-17 00:53:16 <afed> yep, the client takes care of that
 18 2011-02-17 00:58:38 <da2ce7> call for donations / pleges for the bitcoin-on-freent project: We are at the stage to hire some developers.
 19 2011-02-17 01:03:08 <johnyh> tcatm nanotube nameless| jgarzik   if you would have 15 minutes to review project to anonimize BitCoin by transporting it over Freenet distributed cryptostorage, then please comment on forum https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2312.0 ; This is a draft, it can be still improved. We are also thinking of partially building in mixing service into this BtcFn protocol
 20 2011-02-17 01:05:42 <genjix> can't you add mixing after? i.e to avoid feature creep
 21 2011-02-17 01:08:44 <johnyh> genjix: yes, that what is proposed there is already very complex in full version, so we recommend to start with implementing 50% of it (skip friends trust and auto scoring and perhaps skip inlining TXes)
 22 2011-02-17 01:10:24 <genjix> ahh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Iranian_protests
 23 2011-02-17 01:10:29 <genjix> this is fucking horrible
 24 2011-02-17 01:11:08 <Diablo-D3> genjix: I dont think so
 25 2011-02-17 01:11:12 <Diablo-D3> people deserve freedom
 26 2011-02-17 01:11:12 <genjix> i have a close friend there who's doing military service in the police... he's pro-democracy and will have to be beating the protesters (his friends)
 27 2011-02-17 01:11:22 <Diablo-D3> genjix: no he doesnt.
 28 2011-02-17 01:11:25 <Diablo-D3> he can quit.
 29 2011-02-17 01:11:28 <Diablo-D3> and he should quit.
 30 2011-02-17 01:11:29 <genjix> he cannot
 31 2011-02-17 01:11:34 <Diablo-D3> he can.
 32 2011-02-17 01:11:39 <Diablo-D3> he must, really
 33 2011-02-17 01:11:43 <genjix> military service is mandatory
 34 2011-02-17 01:11:46 <Diablo-D3> so?
 35 2011-02-17 01:11:52 <Diablo-D3> thats not even a real military
 36 2011-02-17 01:11:59 <genjix> he has 2 months afaik left
 37 2011-02-17 01:12:09 <Diablo-D3> what can they do to him? kill him?
 38 2011-02-17 01:12:09 <genjix> he quits and goes to jail for 5 years
 39 2011-02-17 01:12:16 <Diablo-D3> is that the worst they can threaten him with?
 40 2011-02-17 01:12:34 <Diablo-D3> Iran does not have a legitimate government
 41 2011-02-17 01:12:44 <Diablo-D3> They can only put him in jail if the people allow it
 42 2011-02-17 01:12:45 <genjix> tell me about it...
 43 2011-02-17 01:12:51 <Diablo-D3> And the people have finally said no
 44 2011-02-17 01:12:54 <xelister> Diablo-D3: 'only' heh
 45 2011-02-17 01:12:55 <Diablo-D3> he needs to join his people
 46 2011-02-17 01:13:11 <Kiba> what's happening in Iran?
 47 2011-02-17 01:13:16 <genjix> you forget how ruthless that cowardly government is
 48 2011-02-17 01:13:22 <genjix> they are real bastards
 49 2011-02-17 01:13:28 <Necr0s> I thought ahmadinejad was elected.
 50 2011-02-17 01:13:33 <genjix> he was not.
 51 2011-02-17 01:13:34 <Necr0s> or however you spell his name.
 52 2011-02-17 01:13:45 <genjix> he was selected.
 53 2011-02-17 01:14:00 <noagendamarket> imadinnerjacket
 54 2011-02-17 01:14:17 <Kiba> revolution spreading throughout the middle east, eh?
 55 2011-02-17 01:14:28 <noagendamarket> its about time
 56 2011-02-17 01:14:44 <Kiba> peaceful too!
 57 2011-02-17 01:14:50 <Kiba> hopefully
 58 2011-02-17 01:15:02 <Netsniper> it'll be corrupted soon enough
 59 2011-02-17 01:15:05 <genjix> well i don't care about egypt
 60 2011-02-17 01:15:07 <noagendamarket> after all those dictators the US likes to sponsor....
 61 2011-02-17 01:15:11 <Netsniper> just like the tea party here
 62 2011-02-17 01:15:15 <genjix> from personal experience egypt is a religious country
 63 2011-02-17 01:15:29 <Diablo-D3> egypt is religious, but they are not an islamic state
 64 2011-02-17 01:15:29 <genjix> but iran is not, which is why i keep hoping for democracy there
 65 2011-02-17 01:15:34 <xelister> noagendamarket: perhaps you can also review this bitcoin over freenet thing :) https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2312.0
 66 2011-02-17 01:15:37 <Diablo-D3> [09:13:28] <Necr0s> I thought ahmadinejad was elected.
 67 2011-02-17 01:15:39 <Diablo-D3> no
 68 2011-02-17 01:15:48 <genjix> the people are westernised in iran
 69 2011-02-17 01:15:58 <Diablo-D3> he illegally held elections, and then threatened to murder anyone who ran against him or vote for anyone but him
 70 2011-02-17 01:16:10 <Diablo-D3> he had his agents at poll places too
 71 2011-02-17 01:16:18 <Diablo-D3> Iran doesnt have a military, and it doesnt have police
 72 2011-02-17 01:16:26 <Diablo-D3> they're just a gang with guns
 73 2011-02-17 01:16:27 <genjix> he gained > 100% of the vote :p
 74 2011-02-17 01:16:38 <Kiba> UNPOSSIBLE!
 75 2011-02-17 01:16:42 <Necr0s> lol
 76 2011-02-17 01:16:43 <Diablo-D3> its time for Iran to fall
 77 2011-02-17 01:16:47 <genjix> they have an army within the army solely for protecting the government
 78 2011-02-17 01:16:47 <Necr0s> ha ha only srs
 79 2011-02-17 01:16:48 <genjix> sepah
 80 2011-02-17 01:16:49 <Diablo-D3> like every other country that is a threat to peace.
 81 2011-02-17 01:17:00 <Diablo-D3> genjix: yes, that is not an army
 82 2011-02-17 01:17:05 <Necr0s> iran govt you mean, yes?
 83 2011-02-17 01:17:23 <dwdollar> Would that be every government in the world?
 84 2011-02-17 01:17:26 <Diablo-D3> an army exists to protect the country from other military threat
 85 2011-02-17 01:17:28 <Diablo-D3> dwdollar: no
 86 2011-02-17 01:17:31 <genjix> and then they pay illiterate mountain men as secret police - 'basiji'
 87 2011-02-17 01:17:33 <Diablo-D3> most governments dont actively harm people
 88 2011-02-17 01:17:41 <genjix> to go around and fight protestors/kill opposition
 89 2011-02-17 01:17:42 <Lachesis> does the reported hashes/second rate take into account the fact that bitcoin requires two hashes to find a block?
 90 2011-02-17 01:17:58 <Diablo-D3> Lachesis: yes, thats one bitcoin hash
 91 2011-02-17 01:18:10 <Necr0s> Lachesis: what?
 92 2011-02-17 01:18:14 <Lachesis> so i'm getting 310M sha(sha())s / second?
 93 2011-02-17 01:18:17 <Diablo-D3> Lachesis: yes
 94 2011-02-17 01:18:23 <Lachesis> Diablo-D3, ty
 95 2011-02-17 01:18:26 <genjix> linux is big in iran too ^^
 96 2011-02-17 01:18:38 <Diablo-D3> also, btw, sha256(sha256()) is a common technique in some message hashes
 97 2011-02-17 01:18:50 <Necr0s> I saw some iranin propaganda thing on youtube.
 98 2011-02-17 01:19:22 <bk128> is there a way to identify which psu connectors are on each 12v rail without opening it up?  I have this psu.  trying to connect it to 1 5870 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817152028
 99 2011-02-17 01:20:02 <bk128> +12v1 is 20 amps and +12v2 is 17 amps
100 2011-02-17 01:20:04 <Diablo-D3> bk128: read the diagram.
101 2011-02-17 01:20:21 <Diablo-D3> bk128: and rail one has 5v/3.3v dc-dc transformers on it I bet
102 2011-02-17 01:20:24 <Diablo-D3> so its really 17 on each
103 2011-02-17 01:20:42 <Diablo-D3> and atx/p4 12vs are probably on the first rail
104 2011-02-17 01:20:53 <Diablo-D3> so the pci-e plug distribution is probably already correct
105 2011-02-17 01:21:45 <Necr0s> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL9MaZQORfI
106 2011-02-17 01:21:54 <Necr0s> "Iranian Propaganda Video featuring John McCain, George Soros"
107 2011-02-17 01:22:13 <bk128> http://raidmax.com/psu/rx_530ss.html has a bit more info.  so just use the pci-e cable that has 2x 6/8 pin pci-e connectors?  because my other option is to use one of those and then a 4 pin molex > pci-e adapter
108 2011-02-17 01:22:22 <bk128> diagram on it sucks
109 2011-02-17 01:22:25 <Diablo-D3> Necr0s: if I was mccain and soros, I'd sue
110 2011-02-17 01:22:33 <Diablo-D3> just for being in the same video with the other
111 2011-02-17 01:22:42 <Necr0s> heh
112 2011-02-17 01:22:47 <Necr0s> sry, out of jurisdiction.
113 2011-02-17 01:23:05 <Diablo-D3> sue? I meant bomb the fuck out of them.
114 2011-02-17 01:23:17 <Diablo-D3> _wow_
115 2011-02-17 01:23:22 <Diablo-D3> do they really think soros is somebody?
116 2011-02-17 01:23:24 <Diablo-D3> hahahah
117 2011-02-17 01:23:25 <Diablo-D3> fail
118 2011-02-17 01:23:36 <genjix> this really sucks... government has switched from beating people to executing now...
119 2011-02-17 01:23:42 <Diablo-D3> genjix: of course.
120 2011-02-17 01:23:43 <genjix> there will be a bloodbath
121 2011-02-17 01:23:53 <Diablo-D3> yes, and it will be ammidnrimgininjad's
122 2011-02-17 01:24:01 <Diablo-D3> I wish that fucker would get a real name
123 2011-02-17 01:24:01 <genjix> but also a good sign if they're that scared :)
124 2011-02-17 01:24:11 <Diablo-D3> genjix: let them kill people
125 2011-02-17 01:24:17 <Diablo-D3> they are Islamic.
126 2011-02-17 01:24:23 <Diablo-D3> they will not get their 72 virgins.
127 2011-02-17 01:24:49 <Necr0s> Was it the stuff in Egypt that inspired this?
128 2011-02-17 01:24:55 <genjix> erm, people there are generally not very religious
129 2011-02-17 01:25:03 <genjix> less religious that america
130 2011-02-17 01:25:10 <Diablo-D3> Necr0s: yes, and that other country
131 2011-02-17 01:25:18 <Diablo-D3> the middle east has now realized peace is the way forwards
132 2011-02-17 01:25:27 <Diablo-D3> genjix: yet they still stone people to death
133 2011-02-17 01:25:38 <genjix> yeah that's the government
134 2011-02-17 01:25:44 <genjix> universally hated by everybody
135 2011-02-17 01:25:46 <Necr0s> Tunisia
136 2011-02-17 01:27:07 <noagendamarket> genjix that makes me feel sad for the people
137 2011-02-17 01:27:25 <Diablo-D3> yeah tunisia
138 2011-02-17 01:27:36 <Diablo-D3> noagendamarket: yeah but
139 2011-02-17 01:27:44 <Diablo-D3> where were you during the iranian elections
140 2011-02-17 01:27:47 <Diablo-D3> he murdered people then
141 2011-02-17 01:27:54 <Diablo-D3> Iran has a chance at freedom and democracy
142 2011-02-17 01:27:59 <Diablo-D3> they deserve it
143 2011-02-17 01:28:02 <Diablo-D3> its their right as human beings
144 2011-02-17 01:28:14 <noagendamarket> the executions I was talking about
145 2011-02-17 01:28:19 <genjix> hollywood made a good film about it, if you're interested, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PXHeKuBzPY
146 2011-02-17 01:28:38 <noagendamarket> fuck governments and the horse they rode in on
147 2011-02-17 01:28:43 <Necr0s> govt done sold us out.
148 2011-02-17 01:29:35 <bk128> Diablo-D3: best sdk version for a 5800 with your miner?
149 2011-02-17 01:29:35 <Necr0s> Most "first world" govts are owned by Big Money.
150 2011-02-17 01:29:49 <Diablo-D3> bk128: always 2.1
151 2011-02-17 01:29:56 <Diablo-D3> bk128: the only time you need 2.3 is if you're on 6xxx
152 2011-02-17 01:30:09 <bk128> Diablo-D3: thanks.  and latest driver?
153 2011-02-17 01:30:53 <bk128> it's win 7 x64
154 2011-02-17 01:30:55 <noagendamarket> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Neda_Agha-Soltan
155 2011-02-17 01:31:48 <Diablo-D3> bk128: avoid 11.1
156 2011-02-17 01:31:55 <Diablo-D3> bk128: 10.11 seems to work best
157 2011-02-17 01:32:00 <Diablo-D3> 10.12 usually works for most people
158 2011-02-17 01:32:11 <Diablo-D3> although theres a weird problem that for some people it just shits itself
159 2011-02-17 01:32:18 <genjix> Necr0s: haha that video is brillian!
160 2011-02-17 01:34:25 <bk128> Diablo-D3: 11.2 okay?  just sent you a few btc.  thanks
161 2011-02-17 01:34:45 <Diablo-D3> havent tried 11.2
162 2011-02-17 01:34:51 <Diablo-D3> but Im going to assume its still broken
163 2011-02-17 01:34:56 <Diablo-D3> _now_
164 2011-02-17 01:34:59 <bk128> ok.  10.11 then
165 2011-02-17 01:35:01 <Diablo-D3> if 11.2 can fix 2.3
166 2011-02-17 01:35:04 <Diablo-D3> I will be happy as a clam
167 2011-02-17 01:37:58 <bk128> i'm just going to install 10.11.  do I want the one with the opencl driver? or do I install that from the sdk?
168 2011-02-17 01:38:20 <Diablo-D3> without
169 2011-02-17 01:38:23 <Diablo-D3> just grab the sdk
170 2011-02-17 01:42:09 <genjix> A cyber attack by one state on another could be considered an "act of war", Tony Blair's former top national security adviser has said.
171 2011-02-17 01:42:13 <genjix> Sir Richard Mottram told a House of Lords inquiry new "laws of war" were needed to cope with such a threat.
172 2011-02-17 01:42:28 <genjix> why are retards who have no clue how the net works, deciding policy on it?
173 2011-02-17 01:43:10 <Necr0s> didn't chinagov fuck with teh google?
174 2011-02-17 01:43:21 <Necr0s> Also, read up on stuxnet.
175 2011-02-17 01:43:33 <Necr0s> quite fascinating imo.
176 2011-02-17 01:43:35 <Diablo-D3> genjix: wow
177 2011-02-17 01:43:39 <Diablo-D3> Anonymous would be terrorists
178 2011-02-17 01:43:49 <Diablo-D3> sigh. I support terrorism now. Thanks guys.
179 2011-02-17 01:44:30 <genjix> we are all terrorists.
180 2011-02-17 01:44:56 <Necr0s> I gotz terror in mah pantz.
181 2011-02-17 01:49:28 <foucist> how does windows & linux compare for the miner & drivers for 5970 ?
182 2011-02-17 01:51:06 <luke-jr> LOL this is fun
183 2011-02-17 01:51:19 <Necr0s> I only ever tried windows
184 2011-02-17 01:51:20 <luke-jr> I have 2 guys bidding against each other for my USD :P
185 2011-02-17 01:51:37 <Necr0s> It was a freakin 100mb download for the drivers, but it works.
186 2011-02-17 01:51:47 <Diablo-D3> foucist: linux generally is faster
187 2011-02-17 01:52:19 <luke-jr> foucist: don
188 2011-02-17 01:52:26 <luke-jr> foucist: don't believe a thing Diablo-D3 says :
189 2011-02-17 01:52:28 <Necr0s> my 5970 does about 248500khps per thread on w7.
190 2011-02-17 01:52:35 <luke-jr> (but Linux probably is faster)
191 2011-02-17 01:52:40 <Diablo-D3> well, you can squeeze a little bit more speed out of linux
192 2011-02-17 01:52:41 <Necr0s> using the m0mchil miner
193 2011-02-17 01:53:07 <luke-jr> you can use Python on Windows? :P </troll>
194 2011-02-17 01:53:26 <Necr0s> With linux you can not run a gui, so the gpu can be 100% dedicated to the miner.
195 2011-02-17 01:53:31 <foucist> luke-jr: bidding in BTc?
196 2011-02-17 01:53:39 <luke-jr> yeah
197 2011-02-17 01:53:50 <KBme> well, you do have to run an x server
198 2011-02-17 01:53:50 <luke-jr> currently, the bid is 87 BTC for $90
199 2011-02-17 01:53:55 <KBme> which is kind of weird
200 2011-02-17 01:54:04 <luke-jr> Necr0s: not true
201 2011-02-17 01:54:08 <Necr0s> with windows I can see the hashrate drop when I move a window.
202 2011-02-17 01:54:11 <luke-jr> yeah, see what KBme said
203 2011-02-17 01:54:14 <Necr0s> o rly?
204 2011-02-17 01:54:21 <KBme> yep
205 2011-02-17 01:54:23 <luke-jr> Necr0s: on Linux, you *can't* move a window :P
206 2011-02-17 01:54:30 <luke-jr> (if you configure it -f 1)
207 2011-02-17 01:54:37 <KBme> :)
208 2011-02-17 01:54:38 <Necr0s> hm.
209 2011-02-17 01:54:41 <bk128> you have to run an x server on linux?
210 2011-02-17 01:54:45 <luke-jr> yeah
211 2011-02-17 01:54:47 <KBme> yes you do
212 2011-02-17 01:54:58 <Necr0s> I suppose you could run a remote x server.
213 2011-02-17 01:55:03 <luke-jr> &
214 2011-02-17 01:55:04 <KBme> my x server is taking 100% cpu
215 2011-02-17 01:55:05 <luke-jr> no
216 2011-02-17 01:55:11 <luke-jr> the X server is the bridge for the OpenCL
217 2011-02-17 01:55:15 <KBme> headless x server over vnc is fine
218 2011-02-17 01:55:22 <KBme> don't even need a wm or anything really
219 2011-02-17 01:55:23 <luke-jr> KBme: that means you're using a buggy SDK
220 2011-02-17 01:55:33 <KBme> orly? :)
221 2011-02-17 01:55:35 <luke-jr> yes
222 2011-02-17 01:55:40 <luke-jr> 2.2+ use 100% CPU
223 2011-02-17 01:55:41 <KBme> the hashrate is fine
224 2011-02-17 01:55:47 <luke-jr> 2.1 uses like 1% CPU at most
225 2011-02-17 01:55:49 <KBme> it's a .deb
226 2011-02-17 01:55:56 <KBme> so i can't really say
227 2011-02-17 01:56:00 <KBme> i amde it work
228 2011-02-17 01:56:07 <KBme> the hashrate is what it's supposed to be
229 2011-02-17 01:56:16 <Necr0s> if I play a video the hashrate can drop into the 230s.
230 2011-02-17 01:56:22 <luke-jr> bidding now up to 87.5 :P
231 2011-02-17 01:56:23 <KBme> and one of 4 cpu's one hyperthread being hogged is not that big of a deal
232 2011-02-17 01:56:29 <Necr0s> on one thread
233 2011-02-17 01:56:38 <Necr0s> for how many usd?
234 2011-02-17 01:56:41 <luke-jr> $90
235 2011-02-17 01:57:27 <andrew12> ;;bc,mtgox
236 2011-02-17 01:57:28 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.0502,"low":1.02,"vol":7857,"buy":1.03,"sell":1.05,"last":1.05}}
237 2011-02-17 01:58:21 <luke-jr> 87.6
238 2011-02-17 01:58:33 <luke-jr> we are now into petty bidding XD
239 2011-02-17 01:59:06 <luke-jr> 87.8
240 2011-02-17 02:00:51 <Necr0s> get a third guy in there to shill it
241 2011-02-17 02:01:30 <luke-jr> 88
242 2011-02-17 02:01:35 <luke-jr> Necr0s: interested? :D
243 2011-02-17 02:02:00 <Necr0s> heh
244 2011-02-17 02:02:08 <Necr0s> i'd prolly get stuck buying it.
245 2011-02-17 02:02:20 <luke-jr> 90
246 2011-02-17 02:02:44 <luke-jr> the other guy just backed out
247 2011-02-17 02:03:23 <noagendamarket> paypal ?
248 2011-02-17 02:03:51 <luke-jr> yeah
249 2011-02-17 02:04:18 <Necr0s> do they have you send it as a gift to avoid the fee?
250 2011-02-17 02:04:41 <luke-jr> Payment Owed.
251 2011-02-17 02:05:27 <Necr0s> hmm
252 2011-02-17 02:05:42 <Necr0s> I think I can fund paypal with a cc that gives me 2% back...
253 2011-02-17 02:05:52 <luke-jr> ok, I told the 90 BTC bid, that if nobody bids higher in an hour, I'm committed to it
254 2011-02-17 02:06:01 <luke-jr> lol
255 2011-02-17 02:08:41 <noagendamarket> 91
256 2011-02-17 02:09:05 <Diablo-D3> Necr0s: no
257 2011-02-17 02:09:17 <Diablo-D3> you cant do cc->paypal
258 2011-02-17 02:09:17 <luke-jr> noagendamarket: really?
259 2011-02-17 02:09:24 <Diablo-D3> you can pay paypal transactions with cards
260 2011-02-17 02:10:40 <bitcoiner> can someone recommend me a free irc client ?
261 2011-02-17 02:10:47 <luke-jr> bitcoiner: what OS?
262 2011-02-17 02:10:48 <Diablo-D3> bitcoiner: wtf? theres hundreds.
263 2011-02-17 02:10:53 <bitcoiner> windows
264 2011-02-17 02:10:57 <luke-jr> bitcoiner: Quassel
265 2011-02-17 02:11:01 <bitcoiner> thanks
266 2011-02-17 02:11:01 <Diablo-D3> grab the GPL build of xchat
267 2011-02-17 02:11:03 <Diablo-D3> not zed's
268 2011-02-17 02:11:10 <luke-jr> xchat sucks
269 2011-02-17 02:11:11 <Diablo-D3> zed is a thief and violates the GPL
270 2011-02-17 02:11:17 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: it works fine douchebag
271 2011-02-17 02:11:22 <bitcoiner> I thot xchat was paod
272 2011-02-17 02:11:23 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: it's gtk
273 2011-02-17 02:11:24 <bitcoiner> paid
274 2011-02-17 02:11:24 <Diablo-D3> Ive used it almost forever
275 2011-02-17 02:11:24 <Necr0s> chatzilla's a free basic one that's available on many platforms.
276 2011-02-17 02:11:26 <phantomcircuit> Necr0s, there is a pretty hilarious attack against paypal actually
277 2011-02-17 02:11:32 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: YES ITS GTK AND NOT QT
278 2011-02-17 02:11:33 <luke-jr> bitcoiner: still free
279 2011-02-17 02:11:34 <Diablo-D3> BOO FUCKING HOO
280 2011-02-17 02:11:36 <Diablo-D3> fucking nokia fags
281 2011-02-17 02:11:36 <phantomcircuit> Necr0s, you agree not to do it in the TOS but honestly who cares
282 2011-02-17 02:11:42 <Necr0s> do tell
283 2011-02-17 02:11:47 <bitcoiner> PP suck
284 2011-02-17 02:12:02 <Diablo-D3> [10:11:22] <bitcoiner> I thot xchat was paod
285 2011-02-17 02:12:04 <phantomcircuit> Necr0s, you use a CC that gives you a % back to fund the account, then transfer money back and instantly pay it off, rinse and repeat
286 2011-02-17 02:12:12 <Diablo-D3> bitcoiner: xchat is GPL, but zed tried to close source the windows version
287 2011-02-17 02:12:21 <Diablo-D3> bitcoiner: theres 2 or 3 GPL builds of xchat on windows
288 2011-02-17 02:12:26 <Diablo-D3> zed can go fuck himself
289 2011-02-17 02:12:30 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, which is totally illegal
290 2011-02-17 02:12:38 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: yes, its a violation of the GPL
291 2011-02-17 02:12:43 <luke-jr> bitcoiner: Quassel is far better anyhow
292 2011-02-17 02:12:44 <Diablo-D3> I should actually fuck his shit someday
293 2011-02-17 02:12:47 <phantomcircuit> his registration code has to comply with the GPL but does not
294 2011-02-17 02:12:59 <Diablo-D3> since he closed source patches Ive sent him
295 2011-02-17 02:13:01 <phantomcircuit> xchat doesn't have a copyright grant right?
296 2011-02-17 02:13:07 <Diablo-D3> dont think it does
297 2011-02-17 02:13:20 <Necr0s> Whenever I need to pay someone a sizable sum on pp, I move out any funds I have in it, and then pay using the 2% cc to fund.
298 2011-02-17 02:13:22 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: if your patch didn't add your name to the copyright section, you arguably assigned it implicitly.
299 2011-02-17 02:13:48 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, an expensive argument
300 2011-02-17 02:13:57 <phantomcircuit> potentially VERY expensive
301 2011-02-17 02:14:01 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: doesnt really matter
302 2011-02-17 02:14:03 <Diablo-D3> people hate him for it
303 2011-02-17 02:14:03 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: only if Diablo-D3 gets the balls to sue him :P
304 2011-02-17 02:14:16 <phantomcircuit> well
305 2011-02-17 02:14:30 <Diablo-D3> I think nenolod has shit in xchat too
306 2011-02-17 02:14:33 <Diablo-D3> which isnt too smart
307 2011-02-17 02:14:40 <phantomcircuit> he's liable for commercial willful infringement for each copy of the windows binary sold
308 2011-02-17 02:14:43 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: speaking of why, why haven't you sued?
309 2011-02-17 02:14:45 <phantomcircuit> which is lets do some math here
310 2011-02-17 02:14:48 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: not worth it
311 2011-02-17 02:14:49 <phantomcircuit> carry the 2
312 2011-02-17 02:14:52 <phantomcircuit> infinity dollars
313 2011-02-17 02:15:03 <Diablo-D3> I do more damage to him pointing out you can freely build xchat on windows
314 2011-02-17 02:15:05 <Diablo-D3> and zed cant stop you
315 2011-02-17 02:15:09 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: hear that? infinity dollars.
316 2011-02-17 02:15:27 <luke-jr> must mean USD has hit no-value finally
317 2011-02-17 02:15:31 <luke-jr> XD
318 2011-02-17 02:15:33 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, lol
319 2011-02-17 02:15:54 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: as a bonus (for me), you'd probably kill X-Chat
320 2011-02-17 02:19:35 <phantomcircuit> oh that's no fun
321 2011-02-17 02:19:46 <phantomcircuit> you can only get statutory damages if you've registered your copyright
322 2011-02-17 02:19:49 <ntosme2> ati-stream-sdk is a pain in the ass
323 2011-02-17 02:20:23 <phantomcircuit> however you still claim 100% of his proceeds as yours
324 2011-02-17 02:20:29 <phantomcircuit> and so could every other contributor
325 2011-02-17 02:20:33 <phantomcircuit> so collectively
326 2011-02-17 02:20:36 <phantomcircuit> lets see
327 2011-02-17 02:20:38 <phantomcircuit> carry the 1
328 2011-02-17 02:20:39 <phantomcircuit> yes
329 2011-02-17 02:20:42 <phantomcircuit> infinity dollars
330 2011-02-17 02:27:58 <afed> ;;bc,stats
331 2011-02-17 02:27:59 <gribble> Current Blocks: 108619 | Current Difficulty: 25997.87992881 | Next Difficulty At Block: 108863 | Next Difficulty In: 244 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 3 hours, 39 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35788.16388770
332 2011-02-17 02:28:16 <carnage_> is there a way to change the directory where bitcoin stores the wallet?
333 2011-02-17 02:28:18 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 265000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 35788, is 6 days, 17 hours, 7 minutes, and 11 seconds
334 2011-02-17 02:28:18 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calcd 265000 35788
335 2011-02-17 02:28:25 <luke-jr> carnage_: change HOME?
336 2011-02-17 02:29:24 <afed> ;;bc,calcd 1200000 35788
337 2011-02-17 02:29:24 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1200000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 35788, is 1 day, 11 hours, 34 minutes, and 50 seconds
338 2011-02-17 02:29:27 <carnage_> can that be done in a startup batch file if i just want it to apply to bitcoin and not the whole windows install?
339 2011-02-17 02:29:32 <afed> ;;bc,calcd 1600000 35788
340 2011-02-17 02:29:32 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1600000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 35788, is 1 day, 2 hours, 41 minutes, and 7 seconds
341 2011-02-17 02:29:45 <afed> looks like i'll still be banking for a few weeks
342 2011-02-17 02:35:30 <ntosme2> bummer, the difficulty increased already?
343 2011-02-17 02:36:56 <JFK911> did it?
344 2011-02-17 02:38:34 <ntosme2> JFK911: oh...no afed confused me
345 2011-02-17 02:38:37 <da2ce7> ;;bc,stats
346 2011-02-17 02:38:43 <gribble> Current Blocks: 108619 | Current Difficulty: 25997.87992881 | Next Difficulty At Block: 108863 | Next Difficulty In: 244 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 3 hours, 39 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35788.16388770
347 2011-02-17 02:39:40 <JFK911> I think afed is a troll
348 2011-02-17 02:40:13 <citizen> am i doing something wrong?  I've been mining at over 3 ghash/s for 24 hours
349 2011-02-17 02:40:40 <citizen> and still haven't gotten any coins
350 2011-02-17 02:40:54 <citizen> I'm using the windows bitcoin.exe with -server as the server
351 2011-02-17 02:41:06 <citizen> using m0mchil's windows client
352 2011-02-17 02:41:10 <da2ce7> citizen, you are prob just unlucky
353 2011-02-17 02:41:22 <da2ce7> ;;bc,calc 3000000
354 2011-02-17 02:41:28 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 3000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 10 hours, 20 minutes, and 20 seconds
355 2011-02-17 02:41:42 <da2ce7> so you are about 90% unlucky atm
356 2011-02-17 02:41:45 <citizen> :\n251967
357 2011-02-17 02:42:59 <da2ce7> :)
358 2011-02-17 02:43:26 <da2ce7> if it is any consterlation, I've been mining for a week @ 0.5Ghash/s  still nothing.
359 2011-02-17 02:46:45 <doublec> how are you getting 3ghash?
360 2011-02-17 02:56:19 <citizen> doublec, lots of video cards
361 2011-02-17 02:59:33 <bitcoiner> what the address to get here on irc client ?
362 2011-02-17 03:00:06 <luke-jr> irc.freenode.net
363 2011-02-17 03:00:52 <bitcoiner> mmm i must be doing something wrong
364 2011-02-17 03:01:34 <luke-jr> chat.freenode.net
365 2011-02-17 03:04:14 <genjix> the new tron film is about free software!
366 2011-02-17 03:05:12 <bk128> what files do I need to copy the block chain from one computer to another?
367 2011-02-17 03:05:30 <phantomcircuit> so i've heard that XFX is shit
368 2011-02-17 03:05:33 <phantomcircuit> is this accurate?
369 2011-02-17 03:05:39 <luke-jr> genjix: no it isn't.
370 2011-02-17 03:06:35 <bitcoiner> luke it just dont find the host
371 2011-02-17 03:06:38 <luke-jr> genjix: it started off about *gratis* software, but quickly changed topic
372 2011-02-17 03:06:45 <luke-jr> bitcoiner: then your DNS server is broken
373 2011-02-17 03:07:02 <bitcoiner> how come
374 2011-02-17 03:08:12 <genjix> luke-jr: ic
375 2011-02-17 03:10:55 <genjix> greatest phenomena of our time, yet media is silent about it...
376 2011-02-17 03:10:57 <genjix> why
377 2011-02-17 03:11:53 <luke-jr> it wasn't that great
378 2011-02-17 03:11:58 <luke-jr> just a remake of the original basically
379 2011-02-17 03:19:43 <citiz3n> is there a handy way to query a dns server
380 2011-02-17 03:19:49 <citiz3n> to see how it is resolving a name
381 2011-02-17 03:20:08 <nanotube> citiz3n: nslookup or dig
382 2011-02-17 03:20:59 <citiz3n> cool, i found a site
383 2011-02-17 03:21:13 <citiz3n> should have used "query" in my search the first time
384 2011-02-17 03:23:57 <luke-jr> http://xkcd.com/852/
385 2011-02-17 03:26:17 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> good night folks
386 2011-02-17 03:35:05 <Necr0s> host name nameserver
387 2011-02-17 03:41:27 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, do you mind if i use http://pastebin.com/ZSM7iHZw to create a gui client?
388 2011-02-17 03:42:02 <phantomcircuit> actually nvm ill do it myself for entertainment
389 2011-02-17 03:42:11 <phantomcircuit> entertainment/masochism
390 2011-02-17 03:42:32 <andrew12> pretty sure that code is public domain
391 2011-02-17 03:42:42 <phantomcircuit> someone said he wrote it
392 2011-02-17 03:42:49 <phantomcircuit> since there is no explicit copyright notice
393 2011-02-17 03:42:51 <phantomcircuit> id rather ask
394 2011-02-17 03:42:58 <andrew12> he did, and iirc he released it into the public domain
395 2011-02-17 03:43:16 <luke-jr> andrew12: public domain isn't legal in many jurisdictions
396 2011-02-17 03:43:22 <andrew12> phantomcircuit: in the one i saw, it said "# public domain" on the first line
397 2011-02-17 03:43:25 <andrew12> luke-jr: ok?
398 2011-02-17 03:43:48 <luke-jr> andrew12: that means it's straight copyrighted
399 2011-02-17 03:44:15 <andrew12> and?
400 2011-02-17 03:46:29 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: ArtForz explicitly said that code is public domain
401 2011-02-17 03:46:32 <luke-jr> andrew12: and therefore, you would have legal problems with a client based on it
402 2011-02-17 03:47:04 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, k, just no way for me to know from the pastebin
403 2011-02-17 03:47:16 <bk128> can I use onboard vga video in windows to avoid slowing down the gpu?  just got my 5870 in
404 2011-02-17 03:47:20 <andrew12> luke-jr: i *really* don't care
405 2011-02-17 03:47:23 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: indeed
406 2011-02-17 03:47:33 <luke-jr> andrew12: people in Germany might :P
407 2011-02-17 03:47:39 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: I was thinking of basing a client on that code, and asked ArtForz myself.
408 2011-02-17 03:50:09 <bk128> nevermind.  I think my stupid computer disables it when a video card is hooked in
409 2011-02-17 03:50:38 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> if you have an oem, you might be stuck with that problem bk
410 2011-02-17 03:50:52 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> i had same problem with a buncha dells
411 2011-02-17 03:50:54 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> god i hate OEMs
412 2011-02-17 03:50:57 <Necr0s> seems like it should be possible to use both.
413 2011-02-17 03:51:03 <bk128> it's a low-end micro atx asus board
414 2011-02-17 03:51:12 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> i would think it would have a bios setting then
415 2011-02-17 03:51:22 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> tell it to boot to onboard
416 2011-02-17 03:51:24 <bk128> very few options in the bios.
417 2011-02-17 03:51:28 <Necr0s> asus should offer flexibilioty
418 2011-02-17 03:51:32 <bk128> mini-atx maybe
419 2011-02-17 03:51:42 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> look around for new bios or hacked bios
420 2011-02-17 03:51:52 <bk128> wait, microatx was right
421 2011-02-17 03:52:34 <foucist> do you guys go with mATX mobos cuz it's cheaper?
422 2011-02-17 03:52:39 <bk128> so, if i run my monitor off the onboard, do I need to do anything to the ati card config to get the best performance?
423 2011-02-17 03:53:02 <nanotube> phantomcircuit: that code is already incorporated into tcatm's bitcoin-monitor bot that streams live network happenings.
424 2011-02-17 03:53:12 <bk128> foucist: no.  it;s not cheaper.  it only has 1 pci-e slot.  I'm just using this because I have it lying around and my MSI board w/ 2 pci-e slots hasnt come in yet
425 2011-02-17 03:53:24 <bk128> probably the best value to run 4 cards in a computer if you can
426 2011-02-17 03:53:34 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> the ati drivers have a tweaking utility
427 2011-02-17 03:53:42 <bk128> the catalyst panel?
428 2011-02-17 03:53:46 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> yup
429 2011-02-17 03:53:48 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> "overdrive"
430 2011-02-17 03:53:56 <foucist> bk128: it sounds like 2 cards in a computer is best value (otherwise cooling is a pita?)
431 2011-02-17 03:54:12 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> 4 cards isn't a pain with heat
432 2011-02-17 03:54:16 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> just depends on which cards they are :)
433 2011-02-17 03:54:16 <foucist> hard to cram 4 5970s in one comp without cooling problems ?
434 2011-02-17 03:54:27 <foucist> citiz3n_zzZZZzZz: which cards are you thinking of?
435 2011-02-17 03:54:30 <bk128> foucist: riser cards http://bayimg.com/KAAeaaAdp
436 2011-02-17 03:54:30 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> i would say 5970s would require some creative cooling
437 2011-02-17 03:54:35 <foucist> would 4x5870s be ok?
438 2011-02-17 03:54:40 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> yes, foucist
439 2011-02-17 03:54:40 <phantomcircuit> http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/xfx_hd_5870_1gb_hd587a_zn/images/30.htm
440 2011-02-17 03:54:45 <phantomcircuit> lol that's really funny
441 2011-02-17 03:54:46 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> i run 4x5870s in one box
442 2011-02-17 03:54:48 <foucist> bk128: how much are risers
443 2011-02-17 03:54:56 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> get a case with 8 expansion slot bays though
444 2011-02-17 03:54:56 <phantomcircuit> the 2 red vents are blocked off
445 2011-02-17 03:55:11 <foucist> for risers?
446 2011-02-17 03:55:22 <bk128> foucist: http://www.dhgate.com/pci-e-express-x16-riser-card-1-slot-with/p-ff8080812c305fe5012c367decb86967.html something like that
447 2011-02-17 03:56:02 <bk128> foucist: both of those links are from ArtForz
448 2011-02-17 03:56:46 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> he made his own custom case?
449 2011-02-17 03:56:56 <bk128> he's doing a lot more than that
450 2011-02-17 03:57:05 <bk128> he made his own custom chips
451 2011-02-17 03:57:18 <bk128> http://bayimg.com/eABDfaAdd
452 2011-02-17 03:57:18 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> chips to do what?
453 2011-02-17 03:57:26 <bk128> chips to do hashing instead of using a gpu
454 2011-02-17 03:57:34 <bk128> ASICS
455 2011-02-17 03:57:58 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> wow...
456 2011-02-17 03:58:31 <phantomcircuit> bk128, lol
457 2011-02-17 03:58:38 <phantomcircuit> STAND BACK IM GOING TO TRY COMPUTER SCIENCE
458 2011-02-17 03:58:48 <andrew12> heh
459 2011-02-17 03:59:01 <bk128> don't try this at home
460 2011-02-17 03:59:02 <foucist> bk128: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=58783
461 2011-02-17 03:59:07 <foucist> phantomcircuit: you're not satoshi?
462 2011-02-17 03:59:18 <phantomcircuit> i wonder if it would be possible to use floating point operations to do sha256
463 2011-02-17 03:59:30 <phantomcircuit> STAND BACK IM GOING TO TRY MATHS
464 2011-02-17 03:59:31 <jgarzik> heh
465 2011-02-17 03:59:32 <foucist> http://ncix.com/products/?sku=58783 = doesn't look like the same sort of riser as above
466 2011-02-17 03:59:47 <andrew12> will the real satoshi please stand up
467 2011-02-17 03:59:57 <bk128> foucist: that would be for a server
468 2011-02-17 04:00:00 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> that's a right angled one
469 2011-02-17 04:00:02 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, as long as they're IEEE compliant i think it's possible actually
470 2011-02-17 04:00:07 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> for a 1U rack
471 2011-02-17 04:01:07 <jgarzik> most implementations by default tend to be 98-99% compliant :)
472 2011-02-17 04:01:23 <phantomcircuit> it's that extra 1-2% :P
473 2011-02-17 04:01:29 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> where did this "stand back" saying come from
474 2011-02-17 04:02:14 <phantomcircuit> citiz3n_zzZZZzZz,
475 2011-02-17 04:02:19 <phantomcircuit> http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/xkcd/dacb/
476 2011-02-17 04:03:18 <foucist> stand back i'm going to try your mom!
477 2011-02-17 04:04:04 <foucist> apologies for the tasteless mom joke :P
478 2011-02-17 04:05:52 <bk128> anyone familiar with m0's miner?  when I try to start it it gives me an "import error: DLL load failed: The specified procedure could not be found" with a traceback to a bunch of .py and .pyc files
479 2011-02-17 04:07:29 <Necr0s> Perhaps you do not have the stream sdk installed?
480 2011-02-17 04:07:32 <bk128> pastie.org/1573357  I have the driver installed and sdk 2.1
481 2011-02-17 04:07:57 <bk128> I had diablo's miner working but it looked like it was only doing 20,000khash/sec and I have a 5870
482 2011-02-17 04:08:39 <Necr0s> I would use procmon to record the events from poclbm.
483 2011-02-17 04:08:46 <Necr0s> That's how I figured out my problem with it.
484 2011-02-17 04:09:07 <bk128> do I need to install python or any other pyopencl package?
485 2011-02-17 04:09:40 <Necr0s> It ran for me without installing anything else.
486 2011-02-17 04:10:01 <Necr0s> <3 procmon
487 2011-02-17 04:10:19 <Necr0s> It's one of the greatest debugging tools I've found for windows.
488 2011-02-17 04:10:55 <bk128> Diablo-D3: any idea why it says I'm getting 16305/16318 khash/sec on a ati 5870?
489 2011-02-17 04:11:28 <Necr0s> Do you have any other gpus installed in that system?
490 2011-02-17 04:12:22 <bk128> just the onboard.  tried using it though but I think my bios disables it
491 2011-02-17 04:12:36 <bk128> it's a p5gc mx 1333 asus micro atx.  only one pci-e slot
492 2011-02-17 04:12:46 <bk128> well, it does have another 1x slot
493 2011-02-17 04:13:04 <Necr0s> go download procmon
494 2011-02-17 04:13:37 <bk128> okay
495 2011-02-17 04:14:02 <bk128> ugh, I still have to do a 9s12 assembly programming project tonight
496 2011-02-17 04:14:24 <Diablo-D3> bk128: -w 64?
497 2011-02-17 04:16:24 <bk128> now it says 2789/2802 khash/sec
498 2011-02-17 04:16:27 <phantomcircuit> i see that someone tried to use the via padlock engine to accelerate sha256 operations, but from the forum post i doubt that he actually managed to enagle the padlock engine
499 2011-02-17 04:16:36 <phantomcircuit> has anybody tried this who actually got it working?
500 2011-02-17 04:17:25 <Diablo-D3> bk128: something is seriously wrong with your shit
501 2011-02-17 04:17:31 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: oh, it'll work
502 2011-02-17 04:17:38 <Diablo-D3> the padlock engine is just a bunch of cpu ops
503 2011-02-17 04:17:41 <Diablo-D3> theres nothing special
504 2011-02-17 04:17:49 <bk128> Diablo-D3: :(
505 2011-02-17 04:18:10 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: you can do shit to sequentially crack using it
506 2011-02-17 04:18:11 <bk128> f*** windows 7
507 2011-02-17 04:18:17 <Diablo-D3> bk128: 10.11 on sdk 2.1?
508 2011-02-17 04:18:28 <bk128> yup.  the 64 bit driver
509 2011-02-17 04:18:30 <Diablo-D3> check if my miner is using a lot of cpu
510 2011-02-17 04:18:36 <Netsniper> ;;bc,calc 276000000
511 2011-02-17 04:18:37 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 276000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 6 minutes and 44 seconds
512 2011-02-17 04:18:41 <bk128> with w-64?
513 2011-02-17 04:18:48 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, what?
514 2011-02-17 04:18:53 <Netsniper> ha
515 2011-02-17 04:18:57 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: via padlock
516 2011-02-17 04:19:01 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: its just cpu ops
517 2011-02-17 04:19:12 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 27600 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 6 weeks, 4 days, 19 hours, 47 minutes, and 33 seconds
518 2011-02-17 04:19:12 <Netsniper> ;;bc,calc 27600
519 2011-02-17 04:19:13 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, yeah i was just asking if someone had a benchmark, someone on the forums says they did it and only got 4Kh/s
520 2011-02-17 04:19:19 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: its extremely slow
521 2011-02-17 04:19:27 <Diablo-D3> its like 4-8 depending on cpu speed
522 2011-02-17 04:19:40 <Diablo-D3> which is STILl a shitload faster than the most optimized bitcoin miner
523 2011-02-17 04:19:50 <Diablo-D3> but its slow in comparison to everything else
524 2011-02-17 04:19:57 <bk128> Diablo-D3: like 2%
525 2011-02-17 04:20:10 <Diablo-D3> bk128: cant fix it
526 2011-02-17 04:20:12 <Diablo-D3> its a driver bug
527 2011-02-17 04:20:14 <Diablo-D3> and only on windows
528 2011-02-17 04:20:18 <Diablo-D3> try swapping it out with 2.3
529 2011-02-17 04:20:38 <Necr0s> I never installed stream explicitly.
530 2011-02-17 04:20:48 <Necr0s> I just installed the catalyst drivers and it worked.
531 2011-02-17 04:20:53 <Diablo-D3> Necr0s: you got the one that came with it
532 2011-02-17 04:20:55 <Necr0s> the 100mb version
533 2011-02-17 04:20:58 <Diablo-D3> which means you have 2.2 or 2.3
534 2011-02-17 04:21:00 <Diablo-D3> so you're boned
535 2011-02-17 04:21:11 <Necr0s> naw, things run fine.
536 2011-02-17 04:21:20 <Diablo-D3> its not the fastest possible.
537 2011-02-17 04:21:50 <Necr0s> i dunno, i get about 496m from a 5970.
538 2011-02-17 04:21:55 <Necr0s> should I get more?
539 2011-02-17 04:22:21 <bk128> Diablo-D3: ok.  definitely doing linux on my real rig.  do you use a desktop or server environment?
540 2011-02-17 04:22:26 <bossweld> What's the recommended build configuration for wxwidgets? monolithic or multi-lib?
541 2011-02-17 04:23:58 <Diablo-D3> bk128: I run debian.
542 2011-02-17 04:24:06 <Diablo-D3> only ubuntu thinks there is a difference.
543 2011-02-17 04:24:09 <Diablo-D3> ubuntu sucks dick
544 2011-02-17 04:24:11 <Diablo-D3> do not use ubuntu
545 2011-02-17 04:24:14 <Diablo-D3> ubuntu is for fags
546 2011-02-17 04:24:16 <Diablo-D3> dont be a fag
547 2011-02-17 04:24:39 <bk128> okay.  do you control your miner exclusively over ssh?
548 2011-02-17 04:24:55 <bk128> and do you need X?
549 2011-02-17 04:25:03 <Necr0s> screen ftw
550 2011-02-17 04:25:55 <Diablo-D3> bk128: you need X
551 2011-02-17 04:26:04 <Diablo-D3> and no, its a desktop
552 2011-02-17 04:26:11 <Diablo-D3> you dont need anything started in X, or even a monitor plugged in
553 2011-02-17 04:26:41 <Diablo-D3> but on amd hardware, you need X
554 2011-02-17 04:27:44 <bk128> Diablo-D3: so should I try the latest sdk and the latest driver now?  or just change the sdk?
555 2011-02-17 04:28:13 <Diablo-D3> just change the sdk
556 2011-02-17 04:28:26 <Diablo-D3> windows is broken somewhere
557 2011-02-17 04:28:38 <Diablo-D3> and Im not sure where
558 2011-02-17 04:29:17 <bk128> uninstall first?
559 2011-02-17 04:29:26 <Diablo-D3> obviously uninstall the sdk first
560 2011-02-17 04:29:28 <Diablo-D3> this is why I like linux
561 2011-02-17 04:29:32 <Diablo-D3> the sdk isnt installed
562 2011-02-17 04:29:33 <Diablo-D3> you just change your library path
563 2011-02-17 04:29:54 <bk128> uninstall...restart...install....restart..... :(
564 2011-02-17 04:30:38 <bk128> Diablo-D3: I'm starting to think ati is a steaming pile of sh**.  the windows 7 64 bit link is dead for stream 2.3.  can I use the 32 bit one?
565 2011-02-17 04:30:50 <Diablo-D3> you dont have to restart for the sdk
566 2011-02-17 04:30:57 <Diablo-D3> no, you cant
567 2011-02-17 04:31:11 <Diablo-D3> bk128: if you're stuck, just grab 11.2 with the sdk
568 2011-02-17 04:31:16 <Diablo-D3> and reinstall your driver
569 2011-02-17 04:31:23 <Diablo-D3> and dont blame AMD
570 2011-02-17 04:31:35 <Diablo-D3> blame windows
571 2011-02-17 04:33:17 <bk128> I was talking about the dead link on ati's page
572 2011-02-17 04:33:22 <Diablo-D3> yeah, it happens
573 2011-02-17 04:33:33 <Diablo-D3> [12:31:11] <Diablo-D3> bk128: if you're stuck, just grab 11.2 with the sdk
574 2011-02-17 04:33:39 <bk128> doing that now
575 2011-02-17 04:33:46 <Diablo-D3> bk128: btw
576 2011-02-17 04:33:57 <Diablo-D3> they renamed the sdk
577 2011-02-17 04:34:14 <bk128> url is renamed.  file must not be
578 2011-02-17 04:34:30 <bk128> or url matches the format of the 32 bit version that works
579 2011-02-17 04:35:17 <Diablo-D3> yeah try that
580 2011-02-17 04:35:41 <bk128> instead of 11.2 with the driver?
581 2011-02-17 04:35:46 <Kiba> how hot is a typical GPU mining rig?
582 2011-02-17 04:35:53 <Diablo-D3> bk128: yeah
583 2011-02-17 04:36:06 <Diablo-D3> Kiba: I dont really like over 80c for gpus
584 2011-02-17 04:36:09 <Diablo-D3> or 65c for cpus
585 2011-02-17 04:37:02 <Kiba> 80 celius?
586 2011-02-17 04:38:13 <Mango-chan> Kiba
587 2011-02-17 04:38:19 <Kiba> Mango-chan: what?
588 2011-02-17 04:38:19 <Mango-chan> i run mine at 82c/78c 24/7
589 2011-02-17 04:38:21 <Hackbat> ;;bc,gen 34900
590 2011-02-17 04:38:22 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 34900 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 1.35024127268 BTC per day and 0.0562600530285 BTC per hour.
591 2011-02-17 04:38:22 <Mango-chan> but they're crossfire
592 2011-02-17 04:38:28 <Mango-chan> so you have the hot air is rising etc
593 2011-02-17 04:38:30 <Hackbat> yay
594 2011-02-17 04:38:35 <Hackbat> I'm a winrar
595 2011-02-17 04:38:39 <Kiba> 82 degree celius?
596 2011-02-17 04:38:44 <Mango-chan> yes
597 2011-02-17 04:38:47 <Mango-chan> celcius
598 2011-02-17 04:38:48 <Kiba> that's very hot
599 2011-02-17 04:38:51 <Mango-chan> air cooling
600 2011-02-17 04:38:57 <Mango-chan> not for a gpu
601 2011-02-17 04:39:06 <Mango-chan> gpus are rated to take high temps
602 2011-02-17 04:39:24 <Kiba> ok
603 2011-02-17 04:39:36 <Mango-chan> well keep it under 90c and it can 24/7 fine
604 2011-02-17 04:39:47 <Mango-chan> you're going to lower its lifespan
605 2011-02-17 04:39:49 <Mango-chan> but if it's a good gpu
606 2011-02-17 04:39:55 <Mango-chan> you'd be making it back with bitcoins
607 2011-02-17 04:39:58 <Mango-chan> oppurtunity cost etc
608 2011-02-17 04:40:39 <Kiba> that's not my purpose here
609 2011-02-17 04:40:44 <Kiba> I just need an accurate number
610 2011-02-17 04:40:46 <Kiba> but thanks
611 2011-02-17 04:41:05 <Mango-chan> but do note that
612 2011-02-17 04:41:13 <Mango-chan> i'm only running on fanspeed 40
613 2011-02-17 04:41:18 <Mango-chan> normally people run it on like 60 or so
614 2011-02-17 04:41:25 <Mango-chan> so it'd be like 10-15c lower?
615 2011-02-17 04:41:34 <Kiba> mine is too cold
616 2011-02-17 04:41:43 <Kiba> well, the art, anyway
617 2011-02-17 04:45:15 <bk128> Diablo-D3: so why is the ati opencl stuff so buggy?  just because it's still new-ish?
618 2011-02-17 04:46:55 <bossweld> So there's nobody that can advise on compiling bitcoin on Windows on the dev channel at the moment?
619 2011-02-17 04:47:19 <Diablo-D3> bk128: yeah, and its because ati wrote it
620 2011-02-17 04:47:35 <Diablo-D3> amd is trying to make it work better but its difficult
621 2011-02-17 04:47:40 <Diablo-D3> for a lot of users, 2.3 improved shit
622 2011-02-17 04:47:44 <Diablo-D3> but linux still has the cpu bug
623 2011-02-17 04:47:49 <bk128> what's the cpu bug?
624 2011-02-17 04:47:55 <Diablo-D3> it consumes it.
625 2011-02-17 04:47:58 <Diablo-D3> all that you have.
626 2011-02-17 04:48:04 <Diablo-D3> but it doesnt happen on windows
627 2011-02-17 04:48:30 <bk128> Diablo-D3: how do you deal with it?  is it only in the newer versions?
628 2011-02-17 04:48:50 <Diablo-D3> I use 2.1.
629 2011-02-17 04:48:58 <Diablo-D3> only 2.2 and 2.3 suffer from it
630 2011-02-17 04:50:43 <bk128> ok.  blah, ati stream sdk 2.3 32-bit installer won't run on win 7 x 64.  pops up a message saying it's for 32 bit only
631 2011-02-17 04:50:58 <Diablo-D3> yes, because it IS for 32bit only
632 2011-02-17 04:51:04 <Diablo-D3> the 64bit one includes libs for both
633 2011-02-17 04:51:18 <Diablo-D3> and it wont work anyhow because lwjgl will load the 64bit ones on 64
634 2011-02-17 04:51:34 <bk128> why is lwjgl used?
635 2011-02-17 04:53:39 <Hackbat> can I force diablominer to use my CPU also?
636 2011-02-17 04:54:13 <Diablo-D3> bk128: why wouldnt it be?
637 2011-02-17 04:54:13 <Mango-chan> Diablo-D3 have you read your sicp today?
638 2011-02-17 04:54:18 <Hackbat> I have a 2.5ghz quadcore and I'd like to make the most of it
639 2011-02-17 04:54:19 <Diablo-D3> Hackbat: dont bother, its really slow
640 2011-02-17 04:54:22 <Diablo-D3> Mango-chan: ?
641 2011-02-17 04:54:34 <Diablo-D3> Hackbat: I get about 2.9khash/sec out of my cpu, 2.1 with opencl
642 2011-02-17 04:54:34 <Mango-chan> have you read your sicp today?
643 2011-02-17 04:54:53 <Diablo-D3> Hackbat: and I dont recommend cpu mining with gpu mining anyhow, it usually slows down gpu mining
644 2011-02-17 04:54:56 <Hackbat> only 2.9?
645 2011-02-17 04:55:06 <Diablo-D3> its a c2d e8500
646 2011-02-17 04:55:15 <Diablo-D3> its REALLY not worth cpu mining. ever.
647 2011-02-17 04:55:26 <bk128> it was back in september of last yeat
648 2011-02-17 04:55:28 <bk128> year*
649 2011-02-17 04:55:31 <Hackbat> I was getting 4.3 Mhash/sec with my cpu
650 2011-02-17 04:55:37 <Diablo-D3> you probably have a quad core
651 2011-02-17 04:55:38 <Diablo-D3> I dont
652 2011-02-17 04:55:43 <Hackbat> ah
653 2011-02-17 04:55:45 <bk128> game library...?  How is opengl related to opencl?   never mind.  I need to do a lot of reading/ learning
654 2011-02-17 04:55:53 <Diablo-D3> bk128: its a GL wrapper for java
655 2011-02-17 04:55:58 <Diablo-D3> it recently gained CL wrapping too
656 2011-02-17 04:56:17 <bk128> oh okay
657 2011-02-17 04:59:54 <Hackbat> :3
658 2011-02-17 04:59:58 <Hackbat> fuck yes
659 2011-02-17 05:00:13 <Hackbat> I can run my minecraft server and mine at the same time
660 2011-02-17 05:00:54 <Hackbat> ;;bc,gen 34770
661 2011-02-17 05:01:01 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 34770 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 1.34521172066 BTC per day and 0.056050488361 BTC per hour.
662 2011-02-17 05:01:35 <Hackbat> sooo
663 2011-02-17 05:01:50 <Hackbat> one bloack a month
664 2011-02-17 05:01:52 <bk128> ;;bc,gen 1000000
665 2011-02-17 05:01:54 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 38.6888616815 BTC per day and 1.61203590339 BTC per hour.
666 2011-02-17 05:01:54 <Hackbat> *block
667 2011-02-17 05:02:06 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,gen 4500
668 2011-02-17 05:02:07 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 4500 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 0.174099877567 BTC per day and 0.00725416156528 BTC per hour.
669 2011-02-17 05:02:10 <phantomcircuit> lol
670 2011-02-17 05:02:18 <phantomcircuit> uses more power than that's worth
671 2011-02-17 05:03:09 <gasteve> I guess not only are the newer GPUs faster, they're also more power efficient
672 2011-02-17 05:03:14 <gribble> Error: "bc," is not a valid command.
673 2011-02-17 05:03:14 <pwrgeek> ;;bc, stats
674 2011-02-17 05:03:32 <Hackbat> ;;bc,stats
675 2011-02-17 05:03:34 <gribble> Current Blocks: 108648 | Current Difficulty: 25997.87992881 | Next Difficulty At Block: 108863 | Next Difficulty In: 215 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 0 hours, 4 minutes, and 5 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35937.59317211
676 2011-02-17 05:03:41 <pwrgeek> thx
677 2011-02-17 05:04:01 <pwrgeek> diff over 35k still expected, ouch
678 2011-02-17 05:04:44 <phantomcircuit> actually i was wrong
679 2011-02-17 05:04:48 <phantomcircuit> that is profitable
680 2011-02-17 05:04:51 <phantomcircuit> but just barely
681 2011-02-17 05:05:13 <phantomcircuit> my i3 550 running all day at full tilt is 0.12USD
682 2011-02-17 05:05:23 <bk128> ok, so I can enable my internal graphics in bios by setting "internal vga" as the boot graphic adapter priority, but then my card doesn't show up at all in device mgr
683 2011-02-17 05:06:19 <phantomcircuit> bk128, nothing shows up at all?
684 2011-02-17 05:06:35 <phantomcircuit> try booting into a linux livecd and see if it shows up in lspci
685 2011-02-17 05:06:50 <phantomcircuit> (frankly i dont trust windows to find hardware right)
686 2011-02-17 05:07:33 <bk128> I can just get one or the other.  probably because it's a low-end board.
687 2011-02-17 05:08:48 <bk128> bios still says it's enabled and getting 8mb ram lol (other option was 1mb)
688 2011-02-17 05:09:43 <bitcoiner> what is 4way ?
689 2011-02-17 05:10:55 <bk128> Diablo-D3: now java is crashing1
690 2011-02-17 05:12:01 <Necr0s> what rate does an 13 550 generate?
691 2011-02-17 05:12:31 <nanotube> pwrgeek: prob gonna be >36k by the time we get to it.
692 2011-02-17 05:12:45 <bk128> had to install 11.2 with the opencl driver since I can't dl the 64 bit 2.3 sdk
693 2011-02-17 05:12:52 <Diablo-D3> bk128: because of a driver bug.
694 2011-02-17 05:13:30 <bk128> wait, working now.  I do have to explicitly start bitcoin.exe w/ -server switch
695 2011-02-17 05:13:40 <Necr0s> yes
696 2011-02-17 05:13:52 <bk128> oh, nevermind.  did 14000 khash/sec for a bit then crashed again
697 2011-02-17 05:13:59 <Necr0s> apparently there is a way to override the default in the config file.
698 2011-02-17 05:14:29 <bk128> why does it always show 2 numbers like 14659/14558 khash/sec?  is it like 2 sha rounds?
699 2011-02-17 05:15:24 <bk128> is it possible to run this through a debian VM?
700 2011-02-17 05:16:44 <Necr0s> That's an interesting idea.
701 2011-02-17 05:17:19 <Necr0s> I wish VMs weren't so abstracted away still.
702 2011-02-17 05:17:42 <Necr0s> There should be a way to run multiple OSs concurrently "on the metal".
703 2011-02-17 05:18:01 <bk128> Diablo-D3: m0's wasn't working for me at all with sdk 2.1 (but yours was getting 20000/20000khash/sec)
704 2011-02-17 05:18:11 <Necr0s> Just assign the hardware and other resources to the VMs you wanna use them with.
705 2011-02-17 05:18:21 <Necr0s> or OS instances rather.
706 2011-02-17 05:18:22 <bk128> Diablo-D3: I just tried m0's again and it's doing 288190khash'sec on a 5870
707 2011-02-17 05:18:45 <Necr0s> that sounds normal.
708 2011-02-17 05:19:12 <bk128> I thought you both had the same kernel but just different wrappers.
709 2011-02-17 05:21:08 <Diablo-D3> bk128: that rather low, btw
710 2011-02-17 05:21:19 <Diablo-D3> bk128: and it shows 15sec/forever
711 2011-02-17 05:21:26 <Diablo-D3> if you're benchmarking, use the second number
712 2011-02-17 05:25:39 <bk128> Diablo-D3: you mean average of last 15/sec and average of forever?
713 2011-02-17 05:25:44 <Diablo-D3> yes
714 2011-02-17 05:26:01 <bk128> and yeah, I was hoping for the 340mhash/sec on the chart
715 2011-02-17 05:26:21 <Diablo-D3> bk128: on 10.11/2.1 on Linux, you could get that on mine
716 2011-02-17 05:28:09 <bk128> Diablo-D3: do you use the large or small debian installation image?
717 2011-02-17 05:29:21 <Diablo-D3> I use the netinst images
718 2011-02-17 05:29:34 <Diablo-D3> why would I download things I dont plan on installing? thats stupid.
719 2011-02-17 05:30:44 <bk128> this? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso
720 2011-02-17 05:31:56 <Diablo-D3> debian isnt for noobs.
721 2011-02-17 05:32:33 <bk128> I've used ubuntu a lot.  gotta stop using it sometime
722 2011-02-17 05:34:51 <bk128> Diablo-D3: are you in slush's pool?
723 2011-02-17 05:35:10 <Diablo-D3> yes
724 2011-02-17 05:35:48 <phantomcircuit> http://www.compute4cash.com/
725 2011-02-17 05:36:03 <phantomcircuit> lol
726 2011-02-17 05:37:03 <JFK911> HAHA
727 2011-02-17 05:37:12 <phantomcircuit> someone thinks they're clever
728 2011-02-17 05:38:09 <phantomcircuit> Necr0s, ps i3 550 02/17/11 06:37 hashmeter   4 CPUs   3744 khash/s
729 2011-02-17 05:38:28 <Mango-chan> phantomcircuit is that bitcoin
730 2011-02-17 05:38:44 <ntosme2> is anyone clever enough to get pyopencl to compile in Gentoo?
731 2011-02-17 05:38:54 <phantomcircuit> Mango-chan, it would appear to be
732 2011-02-17 05:39:24 <Mango-chan> how much is one work unit
733 2011-02-17 05:39:36 <ntosme2> I have the ati-stream-sdk installed, and it's still complaining about not finding OpenCL
734 2011-02-17 05:40:12 <JFK911> did you register it
735 2011-02-17 05:41:21 <Diablo-D3> ntosme2: you didnt emerge it, did you?
736 2011-02-17 05:41:25 <ntosme2> Diablo-D3: I did...from an overlay
737 2011-02-17 05:41:35 <Diablo-D3> dont
738 2011-02-17 05:41:45 <Diablo-D3> gentoo is retarded
739 2011-02-17 05:41:53 <ntosme2> well I tried both
740 2011-02-17 05:42:38 <Diablo-D3> they couldnt package a paper bag if they tried
741 2011-02-17 05:42:50 <phantomcircuit> lol
742 2011-02-17 05:43:08 <ntosme2> I have it untarred in /opt/
743 2011-02-17 05:43:12 <Diablo-D3> ntosme2: use the download off ati's site and follow the fucking instructions.
744 2011-02-17 05:43:23 <ntosme2> I did...
745 2011-02-17 05:43:36 <phantomcircuit> ntosme2, you installed ati-stream-sdk from an overlay?
746 2011-02-17 05:43:59 <Diablo-D3> ntosme2: apparently you didnt.
747 2011-02-17 05:44:04 <ntosme2> I tried the manual approach first
748 2011-02-17 05:44:12 <Diablo-D3> did you set your environment variable correctly?
749 2011-02-17 05:44:12 <ntosme2> Diablo-D3: yes
750 2011-02-17 05:44:14 <ntosme2> that's where I think the issue is, did you guys 'emerge pyopencl' or manually?
751 2011-02-17 05:44:16 <ntosme2> CLInfo shows the GPUs
752 2011-02-17 05:44:20 <phantomcircuit> ntosme2, find the opencl .so
753 2011-02-17 05:44:29 <ntosme2> /opt/ati-stream-sdk-v2.3-lnx64/lib/x86_64/libOpenCL.so
754 2011-02-17 05:46:37 <Diablo-D3> ntosme2: what did you set your LD_LIBRARY_PATH to?
755 2011-02-17 05:47:09 <Mango-chan> so
756 2011-02-17 05:47:17 <Mango-chan> how difficult is it to withdraw from libertyreserve
757 2011-02-17 05:47:40 <ntosme2> I'll compile manually, emerge is not going to work
758 2011-02-17 05:48:03 <Diablo-D3> theres nothing to compile
759 2011-02-17 05:48:25 <Diablo-D3> you just untar it somewhere, and export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/to/ati-stream-sdk-v2.1-lnx64/lib/x86_64/:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
760 2011-02-17 05:48:34 <Diablo-D3> and then run your app
761 2011-02-17 05:48:34 <ntosme2> no I mean pyopencl
762 2011-02-17 05:48:38 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, pyopencl
763 2011-02-17 05:48:40 <Diablo-D3> pyopencl is a pile of shit.
764 2011-02-17 05:48:43 <phantomcircuit> lol
765 2011-02-17 05:48:46 <phantomcircuit> truth
766 2011-02-17 05:49:23 <necrodearia> http://bitcoin.witcoin.com/p/129/Making-Money--Gavin-Andresen--Ignite-Amherst definitely needs more attention  --- More upvotes!
767 2011-02-17 05:49:55 <bk128> Diablo-D3: I ran m0's with -v -w
768 2011-02-17 05:50:16 <Diablo-D3> why are people using anything but -f 1?
769 2011-02-17 05:50:23 <Diablo-D3> if you're going to benchmark, do it right.
770 2011-02-17 05:50:34 <Diablo-D3> bk128: and dont use -v
771 2011-02-17 05:50:40 <Diablo-D3> I wish m0 would remove that already
772 2011-02-17 05:50:50 <bk128> what do those option's do? yeah, it's all on http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1334.0
773 2011-02-17 05:51:11 <Diablo-D3> yeah, threads suck. dont read them.
774 2011-02-17 05:51:34 <Diablo-D3> -f controls kernel run length, lower values == longer
775 2011-02-17 05:51:37 <Diablo-D3> ie, fps
776 2011-02-17 05:51:48 <Necr0s> I run 2 threads at -f 120.
777 2011-02-17 05:51:56 <Diablo-D3> Necr0s: which makes no sense
778 2011-02-17 05:51:56 <Necr0s> So I can do other things on the box.
779 2011-02-17 05:51:57 <bk128> Diablo-D3: now I haven't hit anything over 295mhash/sec.  the old options were better
780 2011-02-17 05:52:11 <Diablo-D3> bk128: because driver is broken.
781 2011-02-17 05:52:31 <Diablo-D3> Necr0s: if you're going to do something stupid like that, you'd just use my miner instead.
782 2011-02-17 05:52:31 <Necr0s> I don't think it ran any faster with lower values.
783 2011-02-17 05:52:41 <da2ce7> yeah, both ati and nv drivers suck ass
784 2011-02-17 05:52:47 <bk128> should I leave -w at 128?
785 2011-02-17 05:52:47 <Diablo-D3> -f 1 WILL go faster, but m0 will take forever to reach it
786 2011-02-17 05:52:55 <Diablo-D3> bk128: no, -w 64 is the correct value.
787 2011-02-17 05:53:10 <Necr0s> The box does double duty as a htpc.  If I use the default value of 30, the other software becomes slow to use.
788 2011-02-17 05:53:23 <Diablo-D3> Necr0s: yes, which is why you'd use -f 1000 instead.
789 2011-02-17 05:53:36 <da2ce7> I use 256 it works great, no lag... only cost 10Mhash/s
790 2011-02-17 05:53:48 <da2ce7> my other card I leave at 60
791 2011-02-17 05:53:49 <Diablo-D3> da2ce7: what, -f? it should be a multiple of 60.
792 2011-02-17 05:53:53 <bk128> putting -v back in made it go back to 320.  f is still 1.  changing w to 64 now
793 2011-02-17 05:53:55 <da2ce7> -f
794 2011-02-17 05:54:09 <da2ce7> yeah, it works better if not a multipe of 60, less lag
795 2011-02-17 05:54:15 <da2ce7> for a slight cost
796 2011-02-17 05:54:24 <Diablo-D3> da2ce7: not at all, it works better if its a multiple of 60...
797 2011-02-17 05:54:38 <Diablo-D3> and it doesnt matter
798 2011-02-17 05:54:41 <Diablo-D3> if you're not using my miner, its slower.
799 2011-02-17 05:54:51 <da2ce7> yeah, i'm using m0's
800 2011-02-17 05:55:00 <Diablo-D3> m0s will never catch up to mine
801 2011-02-17 05:55:01 <phantomcircuit> ntosme2, echo "/opt/ati-stream-sdk-v2.3-lnx64/lib/x86_64/" >> /etc/ld.so.conf
802 2011-02-17 05:55:02 <da2ce7> on win 7.
803 2011-02-17 05:55:13 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: dont EVER do that.
804 2011-02-17 05:55:26 <da2ce7> yeah, I'm not so presious of the 20Mhash/s I'm missing out on
805 2011-02-17 05:55:31 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, psh
806 2011-02-17 05:55:38 <Diablo-D3> I wish people would learn how to use Linux.
807 2011-02-17 05:55:40 <Diablo-D3> its not hard.
808 2011-02-17 05:56:01 <phantomcircuit> you and your safe directories
809 2011-02-17 05:56:07 <Necr0s> what do you suggest then?
810 2011-02-17 05:56:19 <da2ce7> well cya boys (and maybe girls)...   check out: https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2312.0
811 2011-02-17 05:56:19 <Necr0s> I've added paths to ld.so.conf plenty of times and not had troubles.
812 2011-02-17 05:56:29 <da2ce7> we are needing pleges to get this thing up an running.
813 2011-02-17 05:56:38 <phantomcircuit> Necr0s, you're supposed to use ldconfig
814 2011-02-17 05:56:53 <Necr0s> Yeah, I modify the file, and then run ldconfig.
815 2011-02-17 05:57:26 <phantomcircuit> maybe he's gonna say something like
816 2011-02-17 05:57:52 <phantomcircuit> cp /etc/ld.so.conf /etc/ld.so.conf.orig or something
817 2011-02-17 05:59:13 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, correct us wise one
818 2011-02-17 05:59:14 <phantomcircuit> :P
819 2011-02-17 05:59:25 <Diablo-D3> [01:48:25] <Diablo-D3> you just untar it somewhere, and export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/to/ati-stream-sdk-v2.1-lnx64/lib/x86_64/:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
820 2011-02-17 05:59:56 <phantomcircuit> you'd have to set that everytime you ran a pyopencl program...
821 2011-02-17 06:02:05 <Necr0s> Don't you have to set some other var(s) too?
822 2011-02-17 06:02:09 <Necr0s> LDFLAGS or something.
823 2011-02-17 06:02:16 <Necr0s> I remember doing it that way and hating it.
824 2011-02-17 06:02:22 <Necr0s> CFLAGS too
825 2011-02-17 06:02:40 <phantomcircuit> nope
826 2011-02-17 06:02:45 <necrodearia> http://bitcoin.witcoin.com is now visible!
827 2011-02-17 06:03:15 <phantomcircuit> LD_LIBRARY_PATH is a runtime instruction to the runtime linker
828 2011-02-17 06:03:27 <phantomcircuit> it's so you can override the defaults
829 2011-02-17 06:03:53 <phantomcircuit> but if you're going to install a system wide library i cant see the benefit of doing it this way
830 2011-02-17 06:08:42 <bk128> does slush's pool always randomly send test blocks?
831 2011-02-17 06:10:19 <bk128> wow, I really need to build a custom case to get better cooling. this thing is hot
832 2011-02-17 06:16:09 <ntosme2> is there a 64-bit pkg for DiabloMiner or do I have to do it myself?
833 2011-02-17 06:20:04 <ntosme2> erm...so the 64-bit lib is in there but it didn't use it
834 2011-02-17 06:24:30 <nathan7> la la la la
835 2011-02-17 06:38:23 <nathan7> ~
836 2011-02-17 06:46:09 <bossweld> okay, anyone here know about building openssl / libeay32.lib on windows?
837 2011-02-17 06:49:15 <doublec> it builds fine with mingw iirc
838 2011-02-17 06:55:41 <bossweld> doublec: do you know if Bitcoin official build builds openssl with ASM? Or do they get the pre-built binaries from the "Win32 OpenSSL Installation Project"
839 2011-02-17 06:56:02 <bossweld> I'll give it a go with mingw as well, see if that makes a difference
840 2011-02-17 06:56:04 <doublec> bossweld: no, I don't know what it uses.
841 2011-02-17 06:56:12 <doublec> bossweld: I've built it with mingw however
842 2011-02-17 06:56:20 <bossweld> okay, thanks
843 2011-02-17 06:56:25 <doublec> it's a bit of a mission tracking all the dependancies down but does work
844 2011-02-17 06:57:13 <bossweld> yeah, it's giving me some makefile rule error for cryptomd4 at the moment, trying to track that problem down at the moment.
845 2011-02-17 06:58:34 <bk128> still haven't gotten my card under 85C :(
846 2011-02-17 07:05:04 <ntosme2> aha so that was actually very simple: 1. install ati-stream-sdk-bin from overlay, 2 grab pyopencl source, 3 ./configure.py --cl-lib-dir=/opt/ati-stream-sdk/lib/x86_64/, 4 make, 5 make install
847 2011-02-17 07:05:29 <ntosme2> 146000 khash/s
848 2011-02-17 07:11:32 <ntosme2> now to go shove it in a closet
849 2011-02-17 07:12:58 <Lis> please tell me how you look at my list of addresses, ./bitcoind
850 2011-02-17 07:13:40 <Lis> sorry *how I look
851 2011-02-17 07:14:02 <doublec> I don't think there is a way
852 2011-02-17 07:14:20 <bk128> ntosme2: mine wouldn't be happy in a closet.  mine isn't happy with a blower fan on the side of the card
853 2011-02-17 07:15:01 <ntosme2> mine is currently dual 5770s
854 2011-02-17 07:15:19 <bk128> I still cant get my sapphire 5870 under 85C
855 2011-02-17 07:15:26 <ntosme2> they have pretty noisy fans, and a 120mm exaust
856 2011-02-17 07:16:28 <ntosme2> are their any tricks to have multiple cards not slow eachother down?
857 2011-02-17 07:17:47 <Lis> If I do not know my address, how to send money?
858 2011-02-17 07:18:40 <bk128> not slow eachother down from heat?
859 2011-02-17 07:19:31 <doublec> Lis, you only need an address to receive money
860 2011-02-17 07:19:41 <doublec> Lis, and you can create a new one when you want to receive money with:
861 2011-02-17 07:20:06 <doublec> Lis: ./bitcoind getnewaddress
862 2011-02-17 07:21:33 <Lis> doublec, I did it, now the address was added in wallet.dat?
863 2011-02-17 07:21:48 <ntosme2> actually, I'm getting 115000 with 0 and ~50000 with 1
864 2011-02-17 07:21:52 <ntosme2> any ideas?
865 2011-02-17 07:22:06 <doublec> Lis: yes
866 2011-02-17 07:23:33 <Lis> doublec, I can see the addresses in the file?
867 2011-02-17 07:24:32 <Lis> and make 3 addresses, I want to remove somCe
868 2011-02-17 07:25:15 <doublec> you can't remove addresses
869 2011-02-17 07:25:30 <bossweld> re openssl build: problem is only with 1.0.0d - there was a problem generating the makefiles using the supplied perl scripts.  Works with 0.9.8r though.
870 2011-02-17 07:25:39 <doublec> you can see transactions related to an address with things like 'listreceivedbyaddress'
871 2011-02-17 07:26:04 <doublec> I can't recall which openssl I tried. It was about 4 months ago.
872 2011-02-17 07:30:26 <Lis> doublec, Thank you very much.
873 2011-02-17 07:37:24 <Mango-chan> [22:46:58] <Mango-chan> so
874 2011-02-17 07:42:28 <doublec> Mango-chan: I've never tried it
875 2011-02-17 07:44:33 <Mango-chan> so
876 2011-02-17 07:50:36 <Syke> Mango-chan, withdraw from liberty reserver to dollars? you can't. you have to use an exchanger.
877 2011-02-17 07:50:48 <Mango-chan> what's the best way to sell bitcoins
878 2011-02-17 07:51:03 <JFK911> I buy bitcoins for straight paypal
879 2011-02-17 07:51:13 <doublec> offer to sell on #bitcoin-otc
880 2011-02-17 07:51:21 <doublec> there's usually always someone there willing to do it for paypal or other
881 2011-02-17 07:51:50 <Syke> "sell" is too vague
882 2011-02-17 07:51:55 <doublec> or sell it on mtgox and then sell the resulting mtgox dollars on bitcoin-otc
883 2011-02-17 08:00:03 <slush> ;;bc,stats
884 2011-02-17 08:00:06 <gribble> Current Blocks: 108682 | Current Difficulty: 25997.87992881 | Next Difficulty At Block: 108863 | Next Difficulty In: 181 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 20 hours, 9 minutes, and 41 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36123.78892122
885 2011-02-17 08:00:14 <slush> @#$%^&
886 2011-02-17 08:30:05 <TD> slush: is there a calculator anywhere that goes from difficulty to gigahash/sec ?
887 2011-02-17 08:32:35 <ntosme2> so I'm noticing odd things with poblcm and 2 GPUs
888 2011-02-17 08:33:21 <ntosme2> with a single GPU, the hash/s will start to taper off, but if I start the second, the first will kick back up to 100%
889 2011-02-17 08:35:28 <ntosme2> also, it seems one of two GPUs is always 1/5 of the full hash/s rate
890 2011-02-17 08:37:25 <bk128> 36000 now??? :(
891 2011-02-17 08:37:49 <bk128> ;;bc,calcd 1000000 36500
892 2011-02-17 08:37:49 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1000000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 36500, is 1 day, 19 hours, 32 minutes, and 46 seconds
893 2011-02-17 08:38:21 <ntosme2> ?
894 2011-02-17 08:41:17 <Diablo-D3> ntosme2: I suspect you're doing it wrong.
895 2011-02-17 08:41:42 <ntosme2> in what way though...
896 2011-02-17 08:46:51 <Diablo-D3> who knows.
897 2011-02-17 08:47:01 <Diablo-D3> it sounds like you're running both on the same gpu
898 2011-02-17 08:49:45 <ntosme2> poclbm may be, I'm not telling it to
899 2011-02-17 08:50:17 <sipa> you need to tell it explicitly which gpu to run on
900 2011-02-17 08:50:31 <ntosme2> yes, I used -d0 and -d1
901 2011-02-17 08:51:27 <Diablo-D3> but what is your DISPLAY set to?
902 2011-02-17 08:51:44 <ntosme2> ah, you might have me there
903 2011-02-17 08:51:50 <ntosme2> silly ATI
904 2011-02-17 08:52:50 <gribble> 25997.87992881
905 2011-02-17 08:52:50 <sipa> ;;bc,diff
906 2011-02-17 08:53:16 <sipa> TD: difficulty D corresponds to D*7.158388055 MHash/s
907 2011-02-17 08:54:36 <Keefe> or put another way: D*2^32/600
908 2011-02-17 08:54:53 <TD> thanks
909 2011-02-17 08:55:26 <Keefe> D*2^32/600 hash/s
910 2011-02-17 08:56:15 <TD> so we're at about 260 gigahash/sec
911 2011-02-17 08:56:29 <TD> awe inspiring, really. i wonder if we'll hit 1 terahash/sec this year
912 2011-02-17 08:56:51 <sipa> TD: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed.png :)
913 2011-02-17 08:57:27 <TD> do you have a version not plotted on a log scale?
914 2011-02-17 08:57:28 <sipa> we're closer to 300 Ghash/s now - difficulty always lags behind
915 2011-02-17 08:57:42 <TD> superb
916 2011-02-17 08:57:43 <sipa> i can make one
917 2011-02-17 08:57:56 <sipa> but i doubt it would look good :)
918 2011-02-17 09:00:47 <bk128> any chance someone here knows 68hc11 assembly?
919 2011-02-17 09:03:06 <sipa> TD: it looks quite painful without a logscale: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin.png
920 2011-02-17 09:04:52 <TD> interesting
921 2011-02-17 09:05:05 <TD> well, yes, but it's easier to communicate the idea of exponential growth to somebody on a  non log scale graph
922 2011-02-17 09:05:12 <TD> lots of people have never encountered log-scale graphs before
923 2011-02-17 09:05:15 <sipa> true
924 2011-02-17 09:10:54 <sipa> maybe i should make the linear graph start at july 2010, instead of januari 2009
925 2011-02-17 09:24:30 <UukGoblin> sipa, having the mtgox trade price and volume on a separate graph with the same timescale would be cool :-]
926 2011-02-17 09:25:25 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,stats
927 2011-02-17 09:25:27 <gribble> Current Blocks: 108693 | Current Difficulty: 25997.87992881 | Next Difficulty At Block: 108863 | Next Difficulty In: 170 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 18 hours, 59 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36138.98690720
928 2011-02-17 09:26:16 <ntosme2> poclbm really dislikes multiple cards
929 2011-02-17 09:26:31 <UukGoblin> use diablo
930 2011-02-17 09:26:35 <UukGoblin> how many multiple?
931 2011-02-17 09:26:37 <ntosme2> 2
932 2011-02-17 09:27:02 <UukGoblin> yeah, try diablo :-]
933 2011-02-17 09:27:03 <ntosme2> I haven't been able to get diablo working on 64-bit
934 2011-02-17 09:27:35 <UukGoblin> what's the problem? works for me
935 2011-02-17 09:27:39 <ntosme2> is it correct to have two separate xorg.conf files and run an X session with each?