1 2011-02-19 00:03:29 <mmarker> Grr. Do not like coming home to the box with dhcp/dns not working...since the root FS just exploded
  2 2011-02-19 00:05:07 <TheKid> mmarker: ouch
  3 2011-02-19 00:05:49 <mmarker> Well, plus side. Wallet isn't anywhere NEAR there, but it did shut down my mining operation, since everyone lost DNS and then their IP
  4 2011-02-19 00:06:02 <mmarker> IPv6 worked perfectly. HINT HINT HINT people! :D
  5 2011-02-19 00:07:03 <mmarker> However, this has put a damper on my android coding
  6 2011-02-19 00:41:38 <necrodearia> andrew12, nullvoid.org is mine, yes  ohnoes, is it down?
  7 2011-02-19 00:41:46 <andrew12> necrodearia: yes. :P
  8 2011-02-19 00:41:50 <necrodearia> it's up now
  9 2011-02-19 00:41:56 <andrew12> wewt
 10 2011-02-19 00:42:01 <necrodearia> [Tycho], It's back up now ^_^
 11 2011-02-19 00:42:39 <andrew12> hm
 12 2011-02-19 00:42:47 <necrodearia> andrew12, What about it is useful?
 13 2011-02-19 00:42:50 <andrew12> chrome doesn't let me scroll on it for some reason
 14 2011-02-19 00:43:05 <[Tycho]> Thanks.
 15 2011-02-19 00:43:06 <necrodearia> I thought there were alternative sites that provided the same information already.
 16 2011-02-19 00:43:13 <andrew12> necrodearia: not like this
 17 2011-02-19 00:43:16 <andrew12> http://nullvoid.org/bitcoin/graphs/flot/blocks.php?l=1000
 18 2011-02-19 00:43:22 <necrodearia> mm
 19 2011-02-19 00:43:46 <andrew12> why isnt chrome letting me scroll :|
 20 2011-02-19 00:43:55 <andrew12> http://cl.ly/4iKk
 21 2011-02-19 00:43:59 <andrew12> where teh scroll bar
 22 2011-02-19 00:44:17 <necrodearia> hmm
 23 2011-02-19 00:44:17 <TheKid> there isn't meant to be one
 24 2011-02-19 00:44:19 <TheKid> I don't think
 25 2011-02-19 00:44:22 <TheKid> what am I looking at?
 26 2011-02-19 00:44:24 <Diablo-D3> "It turned out that the small bump was the tip of the horn of a concealed yak. [...] I think Simon Cozens wasn't completely correct. It's not a regular Jenga tower.  The perl internals are a Jenga tower made of yaks."
 27 2011-02-19 00:47:06 <andrew12> necrodearia: could you make some sort of api for the block durations/moving averages
 28 2011-02-19 00:47:09 <andrew12> ?
 29 2011-02-19 00:47:43 <andrew12> i wanna make something so i can see all the block data for the last x blocks in 1 graph
 30 2011-02-19 00:47:49 <andrew12> rather than a moving one
 31 2011-02-19 00:50:05 <jgarzik> slushpool:  current round duration, 3 hours
 32 2011-02-19 00:50:16 <jgarzik> getwork/sec down from 800/sec to 500/sec
 33 2011-02-19 00:52:20 <[Tycho]> Long one.
 34 2011-02-19 00:52:52 <[Tycho]> BitPenny really helps :)
 35 2011-02-19 00:57:57 <Mango-chan> lol
 36 2011-02-19 00:58:00 <Mango-chan> unlocked my 6950
 37 2011-02-19 00:58:01 <Mango-chan> 330mhash/s
 38 2011-02-19 00:58:07 <Mango-chan> yeaah 8)
 39 2011-02-19 00:58:15 <TheKid> nice
 40 2011-02-19 00:58:23 <TheKid> I get that much on an overclocked 5870
 41 2011-02-19 00:58:24 <TheKid> :P
 42 2011-02-19 00:58:34 <Diablo-D3> Goddamnit.
 43 2011-02-19 00:58:41 <Diablo-D3> I've now found 5 blocks for slush.
 44 2011-02-19 00:58:53 <TheKid> haha
 45 2011-02-19 00:58:59 <TheKid> I've found 13 I believe
 46 2011-02-19 00:59:01 <Diablo-D3> the pool has not paid me 250 btc in return.
 47 2011-02-19 00:59:09 <TheKid> 14 sorry
 48 2011-02-19 00:59:19 <OneFixt> Diablo-D3: come mine for BitPenny
 49 2011-02-19 00:59:23 <TheKid> I've gotten my coins worth I believe
 50 2011-02-19 00:59:26 <Diablo-D3> bitpenny is dead though
 51 2011-02-19 00:59:26 <Mango-chan> Diablo-D3
 52 2011-02-19 00:59:26 <OneFixt> it won't tell you what you find or don't find ;)
 53 2011-02-19 00:59:35 <OneFixt> i can add your ip to the old server
 54 2011-02-19 00:59:41 <Mango-chan> i've found
 55 2011-02-19 00:59:44 <Mango-chan> 10 blocks for him
 56 2011-02-19 00:59:45 <Mango-chan> lol
 57 2011-02-19 01:00:06 <necrodearia> andrew12, What kind of api?
 58 2011-02-19 01:00:10 <Mango-chan> 3
 59 2011-02-19 01:00:11 <Mango-chan> 0
 60 2011-02-19 01:00:35 <Mango-chan> TheKid what are you minig with
 61 2011-02-19 01:00:55 <andrew12> necrodearia: just one that gives me a bunch of json data
 62 2011-02-19 01:00:58 <Mango-chan> Current round duration:
 63 2011-02-19 01:00:59 <Mango-chan> lol
 64 2011-02-19 01:01:06 <Syke> Mango-chan, 330 mhps sounds really high, how high did you overclock it?
 65 2011-02-19 01:01:08 <Mango-chan> feels bad man
 66 2011-02-19 01:01:15 <Mango-chan> i unlocked the shaders
 67 2011-02-19 01:01:23 <Mango-chan> and overclocked it by 70mhz
 68 2011-02-19 01:01:26 <Mango-chan> not a lot
 69 2011-02-19 01:01:30 <Mango-chan> jumped from 277m -> 330m
 70 2011-02-19 01:01:40 <andrew12> Syke: 500 mhps is really high
 71 2011-02-19 01:01:41 <andrew12> :p
 72 2011-02-19 01:02:15 <Syke> high for a 6950
 73 2011-02-19 01:02:23 <TheKid> Mango-chan: a 5870 and a 5770 currently
 74 2011-02-19 01:02:28 <Mango-chan> i'm curerntly minng at a rate of 830mhash/s
 75 2011-02-19 01:02:34 <Mango-chan> free electricity
 76 2011-02-19 01:02:39 <Mango-chan> already bought my first 5870
 77 2011-02-19 01:02:41 <Mango-chan> from bitcoin $$
 78 2011-02-19 01:02:56 <TheKid> cool
 79 2011-02-19 01:03:04 <Mango-chan> BELIEVE IN ME
 80 2011-02-19 01:03:05 <TheKid> where do you get free electricity?
 81 2011-02-19 01:03:07 <Mango-chan> WHO BELIEVES IN BITCOINS
 82 2011-02-19 01:03:07 <TheKid> I want in!
 83 2011-02-19 01:03:09 <Mango-chan> lol college dorm
 84 2011-02-19 01:03:12 <Mango-chan> "free"
 85 2011-02-19 01:03:47 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,blocks
 86 2011-02-19 01:03:47 <gribble> 109039
 87 2011-02-19 01:05:25 <TheKid> yeah
 88 2011-02-19 01:05:35 <Diablo-D3> so
 89 2011-02-19 01:05:35 <TheKid> I'm currently paying electricity back to my grandparents
 90 2011-02-19 01:05:39 <Diablo-D3> I have gotten
 91 2011-02-19 01:05:40 <Diablo-D3> from the pool
 92 2011-02-19 01:05:46 <TheKid> but when I go to college I'm gonna use all the goddamn electricity
 93 2011-02-19 01:05:48 <TheKid> I swear to god
 94 2011-02-19 01:06:00 <Diablo-D3> 139.
 95 2011-02-19 01:06:08 <Diablo-D3> the pool owes me 111
 96 2011-02-19 01:06:21 <midnightmagic> you will usually have to pay your own electricity bill dude. :)
 97 2011-02-19 01:06:26 <presence> anyone getting lots of invalid or stale hashes with poclbm?
 98 2011-02-19 01:06:37 <Diablo-D3> presence: multiple gpus?
 99 2011-02-19 01:06:50 <TheKid> presence: yeah I do
100 2011-02-19 01:07:01 <Diablo-D3> because it sounds like you forgot to turn crossfire off.
101 2011-02-19 01:07:02 <presence> I have 1 gpu in each machine
102 2011-02-19 01:07:05 <TheKid> midnightmagic: what do you mean
103 2011-02-19 01:07:13 <Diablo-D3> presence: locally or via pool?
104 2011-02-19 01:07:16 <presence> pool
105 2011-02-19 01:07:18 <Mango-chan> [18:06:10] <presence> anyone getting lots of invalid or stale hashes with poclbm? <- pool
106 2011-02-19 01:07:31 <Mango-chan> it's like
107 2011-02-19 01:07:34 <Mango-chan> every other 2
108 2011-02-19 01:07:36 <Mango-chan> but it doesn't matter
109 2011-02-19 01:07:43 <Diablo-D3> meh thats just douchenuts fucking with the pool
110 2011-02-19 01:07:44 <TheKid> not every other 2 for me
111 2011-02-19 01:07:46 <presence> its weird too my windows box gets buttloads more hashes than my linux box with the same card
112 2011-02-19 01:07:53 <Diablo-D3> [2/18/11 8:45:43 PM] ERROR: Can't connect to Bitcoin: Connection timed out
113 2011-02-19 01:07:54 <Diablo-D3> etc etc
114 2011-02-19 01:08:05 <JFK911> presence: Thats how it goes
115 2011-02-19 01:08:07 <JFK911> Linux is crap
116 2011-02-19 01:08:19 <Diablo-D3> you know what
117 2011-02-19 01:08:19 <JFK911> Windows #1
118 2011-02-19 01:08:21 <Mango-chan> i think the pool is being overloaded
119 2011-02-19 01:08:22 <JFK911> I get more hashes in Windows
120 2011-02-19 01:08:23 <Diablo-D3> be happy I dont have ops here
121 2011-02-19 01:08:35 <presence> I get like 5 hashes/min windows and 1 hash every 2 mins with linux
122 2011-02-19 01:08:40 <Mango-chan> Diablo-D3 are you a neckbeard
123 2011-02-19 01:08:49 <Diablo-D3> Mango-chan: nope.
124 2011-02-19 01:08:53 <Diablo-D3> I am an RMS beard.
125 2011-02-19 01:08:54 <JFK911> Diablo-D3: Did you just threaten to operator abuse me :(
126 2011-02-19 01:09:04 <Diablo-D3> JFK911: threaten? no. promise? very much.
127 2011-02-19 01:09:06 <presence> so invalid/stale just means  the pool is hosed they still count or they dont?
128 2011-02-19 01:09:12 <Mango-chan> window > linux in a decent amount of situation
129 2011-02-19 01:09:13 <Diablo-D3> presence: they dont
130 2011-02-19 01:09:14 <JFK911> rude!!
131 2011-02-19 01:09:18 <Mango-chan> +s
132 2011-02-19 01:09:27 <Mango-chan> gotta love microsoft
133 2011-02-19 01:09:27 <presence> hmm
134 2011-02-19 01:09:29 <Mango-chan> and bill gates
135 2011-02-19 01:09:34 <Diablo-D3> er
136 2011-02-19 01:09:35 <Diablo-D3> you do realize
137 2011-02-19 01:09:41 <Diablo-D3> nutch develops in java on linux, right?
138 2011-02-19 01:09:44 <JFK911> Well F Bill Gates, I just like Windows because hashes go faster
139 2011-02-19 01:09:49 <Diablo-D3> and minecraft uses lwjgl... which so does my miner.
140 2011-02-19 01:10:18 <TheKid> I like windows because it works and plays games
141 2011-02-19 01:10:30 <Slix`> Mango-chan, it's probably because video drivers are more supported on Windows.
142 2011-02-19 01:10:34 <Slix`> I'd assume so anyway.
143 2011-02-19 01:10:37 <Mango-chan> minecraft is a game for aspies
144 2011-02-19 01:10:50 <[Tycho]> I like windows too. Especially windows 2000
145 2011-02-19 01:11:01 <JFK911> Games are a waste of time.  You can run Quicken in Windows.  And then mine while you aren't in Quicken.  Linux can't even run Quicken!!
146 2011-02-19 01:11:02 <presence> math should work the same on the two systems
147 2011-02-19 01:11:05 <Kiba> s/gmae/game
148 2011-02-19 01:11:16 <presence> it doesnt make sense that windows gets 5x the hashrate but the same khash/s
149 2011-02-19 01:11:32 <Slix`> presence, Oh.. THAT doesn't make sense at all.
150 2011-02-19 01:11:38 <Mango-chan> lol
151 2011-02-19 01:11:44 <Mango-chan> drivers
152 2011-02-19 01:11:57 <presence> 15 compared to 5 in the same period
153 2011-02-19 01:12:01 <presence> so its 3x
154 2011-02-19 01:12:02 <Mango-chan> any mechanical keyboard users here
155 2011-02-19 01:12:14 <Diablo-D3> uh
156 2011-02-19 01:12:15 <Diablo-D3> 15x?
157 2011-02-19 01:12:16 <Diablo-D3> bullshit.
158 2011-02-19 01:12:16 <dstufft> will an rpc client only send getwork() with params if it solved a hash?
159 2011-02-19 01:12:20 <Diablo-D3> it sounds like you did shit wrong
160 2011-02-19 01:12:23 <JFK911> Mango-chan: Cherry G80!!!
161 2011-02-19 01:12:30 <Mango-chan> i paid 280$ for a topre
162 2011-02-19 01:12:33 <JFK911> Haha
163 2011-02-19 01:12:34 <Mango-chan> i do not regret this
164 2011-02-19 01:12:35 <JFK911> Oops
165 2011-02-19 01:12:38 <Diablo-D3> as usually: do not use anything but 10.10 or 10.11, do not use sdk 2.1
166 2011-02-19 01:12:40 <Diablo-D3> er
167 2011-02-19 01:12:40 <presence> one box is 328M the other is 321M (the 32
168 2011-02-19 01:12:41 <Mango-chan> every day i type on this
169 2011-02-19 01:12:43 <Diablo-D3> ONLY use sdk 2.1
170 2011-02-19 01:12:46 <[Tycho]> Is this block ever going to be found or not ?...
171 2011-02-19 01:12:49 <presence> 328M one is overclocked
172 2011-02-19 01:12:50 <Mango-chan> the more i want to type
173 2011-02-19 01:12:51 <JFK911> Mine was part of a cash register, someone hit the enter key on it a couple times a day
174 2011-02-19 01:12:52 <Mango-chan> [Tycho] no
175 2011-02-19 01:12:52 <presence> but
176 2011-02-19 01:12:56 <Diablo-D3> [Tycho]: its a desert.
177 2011-02-19 01:12:57 <JFK911> then i got it from ebay for $10!
178 2011-02-19 01:12:57 <Mango-chan> >>4hrslol
179 2011-02-19 01:13:00 <[Tycho]> slush's one
180 2011-02-19 01:13:04 <presence> in the pool the windows box submits 3x the hshes regularly
181 2011-02-19 01:13:07 <Mango-chan> Current round duration:
182 2011-02-19 01:13:11 <Mango-chan> fuckdamnshitcunts
183 2011-02-19 01:13:14 <presence> and has less invalid/stale
184 2011-02-19 01:13:15 <Diablo-D3> jesus 3.3 hours?
185 2011-02-19 01:13:18 <Diablo-D3> er 3.5
186 2011-02-19 01:13:29 <Diablo-D3> yeah HUGE desert
187 2011-02-19 01:13:31 <TheKid> meh
188 2011-02-19 01:13:33 <Diablo-D3> watch what'll happen after
189 2011-02-19 01:13:36 <Diablo-D3> we'll hit a shitload in a row
190 2011-02-19 01:13:44 <TheKid> 6 hours I've seen
191 2011-02-19 01:13:45 <TheKid> heh
192 2011-02-19 01:13:55 <presence> on linux I got7 hashes, 4 which have been invalid
193 2011-02-19 01:13:57 <Mango-chan> well it's all luck
194 2011-02-19 01:13:58 <presence> wtf
195 2011-02-19 01:14:00 <[Tycho]> Yeah, should switch all miners to that pool then :)
196 2011-02-19 01:14:14 <Mango-chan> Diablo-D3
197 2011-02-19 01:14:19 <Mango-chan> what hardware do you mine with
198 2011-02-19 01:14:43 <[Tycho]> Now slush's pool counts only last share, so i can mine on two pools :)
199 2011-02-19 01:15:14 <Diablo-D3> Mango-chan: a 4850.
200 2011-02-19 01:15:45 <Mango-chan> lol
201 2011-02-19 01:15:50 <Mango-chan> i think his servers are fucked
202 2011-02-19 01:16:06 <presence> so can stale or invalid come up because I cant forward 8333 to the host or not?
203 2011-02-19 01:16:13 <[Tycho]> No.
204 2011-02-19 01:16:35 <Diablo-D3> his servers are always fucked.
205 2011-02-19 01:17:08 <presence> ugh
206 2011-02-19 01:17:15 <presence> I guess I should just mine independantly
207 2011-02-19 01:17:17 <riush> hm, i was having many stale/invalid too.. but since ~1h, all of them have been accepted
208 2011-02-19 01:17:19 <presence> I hate this crap
209 2011-02-19 01:17:35 <riush> (not that it were that many, but still)
210 2011-02-19 01:18:22 <Mango-chan> eta till someone donate a server to him
211 2011-02-19 01:18:25 <Mango-chan> +s
212 2011-02-19 01:20:51 <mmarker> There
213 2011-02-19 01:21:07 <mmarker> When the root drive goes bad, it's not a good sign
214 2011-02-19 01:21:36 <mmarker> NOW I can get to work.
215 2011-02-19 01:21:51 <andrew12> oh gosh
216 2011-02-19 01:22:05 <andrew12> for a sec i thought you just pinged after saying "NOW I can get to work."
217 2011-02-19 01:22:07 <TheKid> mmarker: what'd you do?
218 2011-02-19 01:22:49 <mmarker> My Beagleboard, which does the authentication for my home network (DHCP, DNS, some crypto, BGP on the darknet) went BOOM
219 2011-02-19 01:22:58 <mmarker> well, the SD card in it
220 2011-02-19 01:23:04 <TheKid> cheap sd card?
221 2011-02-19 01:23:13 <mmarker> Not that cheap, but not top of the line either
222 2011-02-19 01:23:28 <andrew12> sd cards are bound to fail.
223 2011-02-19 01:23:37 <mmarker> Means I have to regenerate some OpenVPN keys, but it's not the end of the world. The bird config will be the PITA
224 2011-02-19 01:23:59 <mmarker> But half of my dn42 net is now out of comission
225 2011-02-19 01:24:01 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
226 2011-02-19 01:24:03 <gribble> Current Blocks: 109041 | Current Difficulty: 36459.88692508 | Next Difficulty At Block: 110879 | Next Difficulty In: 1838 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 3 hours, 1 minute, and 42 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 51261.59839587
227 2011-02-19 01:29:41 <mmarker> grr, no internal named network. What a PITA
228 2011-02-19 01:29:56 <mmarker> time to see if I have another microSD card
229 2011-02-19 01:34:42 <necrodearia> andrew12, Can you give me an example of what kind of data you want?  If I output all moving average data for all blocks, the json data ends up being about 8mb
230 2011-02-19 01:35:17 <andrew12> necrodearia: I don't want all the blocks, at most like the last 5000
231 2011-02-19 01:35:23 <andrew12> ;;bc,blocks
232 2011-02-19 01:35:24 <gribble> 109042
233 2011-02-19 01:35:44 <andrew12> it'd be nice if you were able to specify a range
234 2011-02-19 01:35:59 <necrodearia> That is already possible with the flot graph
235 2011-02-19 01:36:11 <necrodearia> I haven't documented it though ^_^
236 2011-02-19 01:36:17 <andrew12> heh
237 2011-02-19 01:36:35 <necrodearia> http://nullvoid.org/bitcoin/graphs/flot/blocks.php?l=1000 <-- l == length, s == start, e == end
238 2011-02-19 01:36:57 <necrodearia> so for example http://nullvoid.org/bitcoin/graphs/flot/blocks.php?s=100&e=300  or http://nullvoid.org/bitcoin/graphs/flot/blocks.php?s=100&l=200 are the exact same
239 2011-02-19 01:37:21 <necrodearia> I'm working on script for only the data though.
240 2011-02-19 01:38:19 <luke-jr> anyone got wiki privs to warn/block a vandaliser? :P
241 2011-02-19 01:41:33 <necrodearia> oh also i == interval
242 2011-02-19 01:41:48 <Diablo-D3> http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/02/18/2217206/New-SHA-Functions-Boost-Crypto-On-64-bit-Chips?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29
243 2011-02-19 01:41:49 <Diablo-D3> fuck you.
244 2011-02-19 01:42:00 <necrodearia> http://nullvoid.org/bitcoin/graphs/flot/blocks.php?s=100&e=10000&i=100
245 2011-02-19 01:42:10 <Diablo-D3> thats the same fucking trick murmurhash3 64bit does
246 2011-02-19 01:42:14 <Diablo-D3> up yours
247 2011-02-19 01:42:21 <necrodearia> which seems to be broken
248 2011-02-19 01:42:25 <TheKid> Diablo-D3: explain?
249 2011-02-19 01:42:59 <Diablo-D3> TheKid: using 64bit variables on native 64bit processors is faster.
250 2011-02-19 01:43:11 <TheKid> no shit
251 2011-02-19 01:43:15 <Diablo-D3> yes, no shit
252 2011-02-19 01:43:20 <Diablo-D3> but SHA2 is 32bit.
253 2011-02-19 01:43:52 <Diablo-D3> even a lot of native 32bit processors are faster on 64bit native algos because they have well designed ALUs
254 2011-02-19 01:43:59 <Diablo-D3> so all they've done is
255 2011-02-19 01:44:05 <Diablo-D3> make a 64bit native variant of SHA2
256 2011-02-19 01:44:25 <Diablo-D3> it doesnt improve SHA2, it isnt compatible with SHA2, it just runs faster
257 2011-02-19 01:44:32 <mmarker> Diablo-D3: However, since NIST has published it, it's now blessed with the holy FIPS pee.
258 2011-02-19 01:44:34 <Diablo-D3> which, that said, makes it _less_ secure.
259 2011-02-19 01:44:44 <Diablo-D3> mmarker: no, its not a replacement for SHA3
260 2011-02-19 01:45:00 <Diablo-D3> most of the SHA3 canidates are 64bit native, and I think all the finalists are.
261 2011-02-19 01:45:06 <mmarker> Diablo-D3: Of course not, the SHA-3 process isn't near done yet.
262 2011-02-19 01:45:15 <mmarker> All of the finalists are, IIRC
263 2011-02-19 01:45:50 <mmarker> From what I read, Skein and IIRC, Blake definitely are.
264 2011-02-19 01:46:34 <Diablo-D3> sha-512 and a 64bit variant of sha-512, the 64bit variant would smoke sha512
265 2011-02-19 01:46:37 <Diablo-D3> butr
266 2011-02-19 01:46:42 <Diablo-D3> it'd be less secure
267 2011-02-19 01:46:46 <Diablo-D3> because it doesnt actually improve it.
268 2011-02-19 01:46:51 <Diablo-D3> so I can brute force much faster
269 2011-02-19 01:47:50 <mmarker> I'm sure that they made a phone call to Meade, though.
270 2011-02-19 01:48:05 <luke-jr> download and test http://gitorious.org/bitcoin/spesmilo/archive-tarball/tonal plz kthx
271 2011-02-19 01:48:22 <mmarker> Which, BTW, if you're interested in that, the museum there does kick some major ass
272 2011-02-19 01:50:55 <necrodearia> fixed: http://nullvoid.org/bitcoin/graphs/flot/blocks.php?s=100&e=10000&i=50
273 2011-02-19 01:50:59 <necrodearia> andrew12, o/
274 2011-02-19 01:51:08 <necrodearia> still working on only json
275 2011-02-19 01:51:23 <andrew12> necrodearia: now make it so i can scroll :P
276 2011-02-19 01:51:29 <necrodearia> ^_^
277 2011-02-19 01:51:34 <andrew12> holy shit that is awesome
278 2011-02-19 01:51:49 <mmarker> luke-jr: is it a FE or full client?
279 2011-02-19 01:51:54 <luke-jr> FE?
280 2011-02-19 01:52:00 <andrew12> its so awesome it's making my mac lag to hell
281 2011-02-19 01:52:21 <TheKid> heh
282 2011-02-19 01:52:25 <TheKid> bitcoinrave
283 2011-02-19 01:52:36 <necrodearia> andrew12, scrolling should be fixed now.
284 2011-02-19 01:52:54 <luke-jr> mmarker: what's FE?
285 2011-02-19 01:53:02 <mmarker> Frontend to the daemon
286 2011-02-19 01:53:13 <andrew12> necrodearia: yup
287 2011-02-19 01:53:37 <andrew12> ;;math calc [bc,blocks - 50]
288 2011-02-19 01:53:37 <gribble> 109046
289 2011-02-19 01:54:03 <andrew12> ;;bc,blocks
290 2011-02-19 01:54:03 <gribble> 109047
291 2011-02-19 01:54:20 <mmarker> Hmm, nice trough there...wonder why
292 2011-02-19 01:54:32 <luke-jr> mmarker: frontend, like all clients *should* be
293 2011-02-19 01:55:18 <mmarker> Gotcha.
294 2011-02-19 01:56:35 <andrew12> necrodearia: so you said all the blocks durations with the moving averages was like 8MB?
295 2011-02-19 01:56:58 <luke-jr> though from working on it, I think JSON-RPC is not suitable a protocol for i t
296 2011-02-19 01:57:08 <luke-jr> need something that can do realtime events instead of polling
297 2011-02-19 01:57:40 <andrew12> luke-jr: agree
298 2011-02-19 01:58:47 <andrew12> http://mtgox.heroku.com/12hours
299 2011-02-19 01:58:51 <andrew12> isnt it beautiful?!
300 2011-02-19 01:59:03 <mmarker> luke-jr: for the over the wire?
301 2011-02-19 01:59:07 <luke-jr> I did minimize the overhead of the polling though
302 2011-02-19 01:59:15 <necrodearia> andrew12, yes
303 2011-02-19 01:59:22 <luke-jr> mmarker: for clients to talk to wallets
304 2011-02-19 02:00:10 <mmarker> luke-jr: Yea, there's the patch for having the server trigger a REST call on events...but that's ugly. Currently going to use that + some sinatra to trigger messages being sent
305 2011-02-19 02:00:52 <luke-jr> mmarker: well, I kinda assume QBitCoin has this problem solved by now, but MT`AwAy hasn't told us anything yet
306 2011-02-19 02:01:06 <dstufft> does the testnet generate bitcoins faster?
307 2011-02-19 02:01:06 <luke-jr> I don't want to reinvent his work really
308 2011-02-19 02:01:14 <luke-jr> dstufft: yes'
309 2011-02-19 02:01:24 <dstufft> ok going to switch to that then to test things out :3
310 2011-02-19 02:01:24 <luke-jr> and no
311 2011-02-19 02:01:35 <luke-jr> dstufft: it's only 'faster' because there's fewer miners
312 2011-02-19 02:01:45 <andrew12> afk -- be back on sunday
313 2011-02-19 02:01:49 <mmarker> luke-jr: Yea, I'd like to know as well. Working on an android client, so polling is very much out of the question....well, when Google gets off their ass and makes the cloud to device stuff not-beta
314 2011-02-19 02:02:11 <dstufft> luke-jr: that's fine, i'm messing around and testing some stuff out, but sitting around waiting for it to solve something is not fun :p
315 2011-02-19 02:02:19 <luke-jr> mmarker: yay for Qt, runs everywhere :D
316 2011-02-19 02:02:35 <luke-jr> dstufft: I use a pool when I want to verify it works
317 2011-02-19 02:02:47 <mmarker> luke: this is not a Qt thing, but more of "a mobile device on a battery should be sleeping as much as physically possible" thing
318 2011-02-19 02:02:48 <luke-jr> pools stick to difficulty 1 usually
319 2011-02-19 02:03:07 <luke-jr> :p
320 2011-02-19 02:03:09 <mmarker> so you use push over the carrier to wake the phone up to do work
321 2011-02-19 02:03:35 <luke-jr> mmarker: try the client yet?
322 2011-02-19 02:04:24 <mmarker> Not yet. I need to get a daemon running here first. My home network was completely busted when I got home.
323 2011-02-19 02:05:31 <luke-jr> o
324 2011-02-19 02:05:34 <luke-jr> that sucks
325 2011-02-19 02:05:46 <mmarker> Yea. Dead SD card in the Beagleboard
326 2011-02-19 02:05:55 <mmarker> like, nice random number generator bad
327 2011-02-19 02:06:14 <mmarker> So everything is now jury rigged to hell
328 2011-02-19 02:07:15 <mmarker> gotta go get a new card and fix things. Worse, need to break back into some of my VPS machines and reconfigure my darknet (been playing with dn42...quite fun)
329 2011-02-19 02:07:27 <mmarker> oh, and fix the BGP router that was also on said machine
330 2011-02-19 02:10:38 <mmarker> Holy crap. is 109048 still being worked on?
331 2011-02-19 02:10:55 <hatboyzero> yup, over four hours now
332 2011-02-19 02:11:00 <mmarker> Damn.
333 2011-02-19 02:11:12 <mmarker> I had this scary thought in the car today, I think
334 2011-02-19 02:11:14 <hatboyzero> update in difficulty is taking it's toll, I imagine
335 2011-02-19 02:11:25 <mmarker> What if you get a set of data that'll never hash to meet the difficulty.
336 2011-02-19 02:12:11 <mmarker> Possible, of course. Porbable, probably not.
337 2011-02-19 02:12:59 <Tril> i got 109049
338 2011-02-19 02:13:25 <necrodearia> http://nullvoid.org/bitcoin/movingaverages.php?l=3 ---- l == last  and defaults to 10000 if unspecified or less than 1
339 2011-02-19 02:13:29 <mmarker> Heh.
340 2011-02-19 02:13:32 <Tril> if it goes four hours does that mean all transactions took that long?
341 2011-02-19 02:13:43 <mmarker> yup
342 2011-02-19 02:14:02 <mmarker> So there may be a flurry of transactions posting
343 2011-02-19 02:14:21 <necrodearia> andrew12, o/
344 2011-02-19 02:14:59 <mmarker> Yea, 12k block
345 2011-02-19 02:15:14 <mmarker> 45 transactions.
346 2011-02-19 02:15:51 <mmarker> almost 2k BTC moved. Nice.
347 2011-02-19 02:19:28 <mmarker> I am going to grow old waiting for this SDK to install
348 2011-02-19 02:21:08 <andrew12> actually i'm gonna pop in here on my phone :D
349 2011-02-19 02:21:26 <mmarker> Hmm, slush's pool is still churning on the same block? WTF?
350 2011-02-19 02:22:00 <andrew12> necrodearia: that's exactly what I wanted :D
351 2011-02-19 02:22:19 <bitcoiner> what other pool there is ?
352 2011-02-19 02:22:33 <andrew12> bitcoiner: there's bitpenny but afaik its down too
353 2011-02-19 02:22:41 <necrodearia> andrew12, yay ^_^
354 2011-02-19 02:23:33 <bitcoiner> how do u calculate here
355 2011-02-19 02:23:38 <bitcoiner> ;;bc stats
356 2011-02-19 02:23:39 <gribble> Error: "bc" is not a valid command.
357 2011-02-19 02:23:39 <necrodearia> ;;calc 1 + 1
358 2011-02-19 02:23:40 <gribble> 1 + 1 = 2
359 2011-02-19 02:23:43 <andrew12> now how many blocks are between diff changes?
360 2011-02-19 02:23:43 <mmarker> I think his servers are melting to slag
361 2011-02-19 02:23:48 <andrew12> ;;bc,stats
362 2011-02-19 02:23:50 <mmarker> 2041 or somesuch
363 2011-02-19 02:23:56 <gribble> Current Blocks: 109049 | Current Difficulty: 36459.88692508 | Next Difficulty At Block: 110879 | Next Difficulty In: 1830 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 1 hour, 3 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 51529.75188366
364 2011-02-19 02:23:57 <MeanderingCode> hello.  i couldn't find this out, so i'm hoping someone knows:  does my wallet contain my key pairs, or are those only in my address book?
365 2011-02-19 02:24:06 <bitcoiner> ok now with 170mhash
366 2011-02-19 02:24:08 <andrew12> 4016 right?
367 2011-02-19 02:24:17 <andrew12> MeanderingCode: your wallet contains your key pairs
368 2011-02-19 02:24:20 <mmarker> Your wallet.dat has ALL your keys
369 2011-02-19 02:24:21 <necrodearia> So, witcoin isn't popular yet.  That must mean I am not finished developing it.
370 2011-02-19 02:24:27 <MeanderingCode> great, thanks
371 2011-02-19 02:24:27 <mmarker> Do not. Repeat. Do not lose it
372 2011-02-19 02:24:31 <andrew12> s/ pair//
373 2011-02-19 02:24:33 <andrew12> :p
374 2011-02-19 02:24:49 <bitcoiner> ;;bc help
375 2011-02-19 02:24:49 <gribble> Error: "bc" is not a valid command.
376 2011-02-19 02:24:56 <andrew12> bitcoiner: note the comma
377 2011-02-19 02:25:03 <andrew12> ;;bc,help
378 2011-02-19 02:25:04 <gribble> Alias bc,bcm, Alias bc,blocks, Alias bc,btcex, Alias bc,calc, Alias bc,calcd, Alias bc,diff, Alias bc,estimate, Alias bc,gen, Alias bc,gend, Alias bc,help, Alias bc,hextarget, Alias bc,labs, Alias bc,lbs, Alias bc,markets, Alias bc,mtgox, Alias bc,nexttarget, Alias bc,poolstats, Alias bc,prob, Alias bc,stats, Alias bc,timetonext, Alias bc,totalbc, and Alias bc,wiki
379 2011-02-19 02:25:12 <MeanderingCode> mmarker: that much i knew...just wondering if i also had to guard my address book
380 2011-02-19 02:25:22 <andrew12> ;;bc,estimate
381 2011-02-19 02:25:27 <gribble> 51529.75188366
382 2011-02-19 02:25:31 <andrew12> heh
383 2011-02-19 02:25:34 <bitcoiner> ;;bc,cal,170000
384 2011-02-19 02:25:34 <gribble> Error: "bc,cal,170000" is not a valid command.
385 2011-02-19 02:25:47 <bitcoiner> ;;bc,calc,170000
386 2011-02-19 02:25:47 <gribble> Error: "bc,calc,170000" is not a valid command.
387 2011-02-19 02:25:55 <bitcoiner> ;;bc,calcd,170000
388 2011-02-19 02:25:56 <gribble> Error: "bc,calcd,170000" is not a valid command.
389 2011-02-19 02:25:58 <bitcoiner> erf
390 2011-02-19 02:26:21 <andrew12> bitcoiner: the command itself has a comma in it. everything is separated with spaces
391 2011-02-19 02:26:26 <andrew12> ;;bc,calc 170000
392 2011-02-19 02:26:27 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 170000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 1 week, 3 days, 15 hours, 52 minutes, and 21 seconds
393 2011-02-19 02:26:33 <bitcoiner> thanks
394 2011-02-19 02:26:42 <bitcoiner> cald is what ?
395 2011-02-19 02:26:49 <andrew12> calcd you mean?
396 2011-02-19 02:26:56 <bitcoiner> yea sorry
397 2011-02-19 02:27:16 <andrew12> it's the same as calc but you can specify the difficulty
398 2011-02-19 02:27:24 <andrew12> ;;bc,calc 170000 1
399 2011-02-19 02:27:25 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
400 2011-02-19 02:27:28 <andrew12> er
401 2011-02-19 02:27:30 <andrew12> ;;bc,calcd 170000 1
402 2011-02-19 02:27:31 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 170000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 1, is 25 seconds
403 2011-02-19 02:27:40 <bitcoiner> I see thanks
404 2011-02-19 02:28:09 <andrew12> there's also ,,(bc,gen 170000)
405 2011-02-19 02:28:10 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 170000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 4.68983420193 BTC per day and 0.195409758414 BTC per hour.
406 2011-02-19 02:28:28 <luke-jr> ;;bc,gen 265000
407 2011-02-19 02:28:30 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 265000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 7.31062390301 BTC per day and 0.304609329292 BTC per hour.
408 2011-02-19 02:28:51 <andrew12> luke-jr: share the wealth pl0x :P
409 2011-02-19 02:29:06 <luke-jr> andrew12: what wealth
410 2011-02-19 02:29:20 <andrew12> is that your hashrate?
411 2011-02-19 02:29:29 <luke-jr> I just lost 900+ BTC/yr cuz of difficulty going up :P
412 2011-02-19 02:29:31 <luke-jr> yeah
413 2011-02-19 02:29:51 <luke-jr> pathetic compared to most I'm sure
414 2011-02-19 02:30:03 <andrew12> luke-jr: no way
415 2011-02-19 02:30:22 <luke-jr> andrew12: half the people here have multi-5970 rigs ;P
416 2011-02-19 02:30:35 <satamusic> i have a 900mhz celeron rig
417 2011-02-19 02:30:40 <andrew12> luke-jr: definitely not half
418 2011-02-19 02:30:53 <luke-jr> seems like it
419 2011-02-19 02:31:00 <andrew12> half the people here are bots and clones
420 2011-02-19 02:31:01 <luke-jr> and I'm not including the lurkers
421 2011-02-19 02:31:08 <andrew12> and lurkers
422 2011-02-19 02:31:09 <andrew12> lol
423 2011-02-19 02:31:13 <luke-jr> andrew12: try my client :P
424 2011-02-19 02:31:21 <luke-jr> well, genjix's client really
425 2011-02-19 02:31:25 <bitcoiner> 5 hrs on slush block geee
426 2011-02-19 02:31:34 <luke-jr> download and test http://gitorious.org/bitcoin/spesmilo/archive-tarball/tonal plz kthx
427 2011-02-19 02:31:55 <andrew12> if I had a Bitcoin for each clone in this channel...
428 2011-02-19 02:32:01 <andrew12> luke-jr: i'm on my phone
429 2011-02-19 02:32:32 <luke-jr> andrew12: excuses
430 2011-02-19 02:32:36 <luke-jr> Qt works anywhere
431 2011-02-19 02:32:38 <luke-jr> do eet!
432 2011-02-19 02:34:10 <andrew12> luke-jr: on android?
433 2011-02-19 02:34:19 <luke-jr> andrew12: should
434 2011-02-19 02:34:23 <andrew12> heh
435 2011-02-19 02:34:23 <luke-jr> duno about Python tho
436 2011-02-19 02:34:29 <andrew12> there is ASE
437 2011-02-19 02:34:40 <andrew12> but i dunno about qt.
438 2011-02-19 02:35:07 <luke-jr> http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/android-lighthouse
439 2011-02-19 02:36:36 <andrew12> necrodearia: if it makes it easier on your server, you can just give the durations themselves, and i can do the averages on my end
440 2011-02-19 02:37:06 <andrew12> necrodearia: actually you could probably write the averaging code into the js :P
441 2011-02-19 02:37:06 <necrodearia> andrew12, It should be fine for now.  My bandwidth is limited though.   Only 768K upstream
442 2011-02-19 02:37:30 <necrodearia> andrew12, I already have the averaging code permanently stored in data files.
443 2011-02-19 02:37:35 <necrodearia> averaging data*
444 2011-02-19 02:37:45 <andrew12> averaged data*
445 2011-02-19 02:37:46 <andrew12> :P
446 2011-02-19 02:37:48 <necrodearia> yes
447 2011-02-19 02:38:18 <andrew12> necrodearia: what are you using to get the block durations?
448 2011-02-19 02:38:20 <andrew12> jw
449 2011-02-19 02:38:32 <luke-jr> why does MtGox blog have a pic of USD?
450 2011-02-19 02:39:04 <andrew12> luke-jr: why do you care?
451 2011-02-19 02:39:08 <luke-jr> j/w
452 2011-02-19 02:41:18 <necrodearia> andrew12, Courtesy of ArtForz I use his python code documented at http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=402.msg3395#msg3395
453 2011-02-19 02:48:14 <andrew12> necrodearia: awesome, i'll have to play with that later.
454 2011-02-19 02:48:50 <andrew12> JStoker: do you even do bitcoin stuff or do you just lurk? :p
455 2011-02-19 03:00:39 <Mango-chan> Current round duration:
456 2011-02-19 03:00:40 <Mango-chan> are you shitting me lol
457 2011-02-19 03:00:41 <JFK911> this is the unsolvable iteration
458 2011-02-19 03:03:56 <mmarker> I think slush's stats are messed up
459 2011-02-19 03:04:04 <mmarker> since I think we're past the 5 hour block
460 2011-02-19 03:04:43 <andrew12> i think slush's pool is messed up
461 2011-02-19 03:04:43 <Mango-chan> mmarker
462 2011-02-19 03:04:44 <Mango-chan> what
463 2011-02-19 03:04:52 <mmarker> His stats
464 2011-02-19 03:04:58 <Mango-chan> how do you know
465 2011-02-19 03:05:05 <mmarker> Don't make no sense
466 2011-02-19 03:05:08 <andrew12> Mango-chan: >I think
467 2011-02-19 03:05:16 <andrew12> mmarker: neither does what you just said
468 2011-02-19 03:05:17 <Mango-chan> so where is he
469 2011-02-19 03:05:20 <mmarker> We're on block 109051
470 2011-02-19 03:05:31 <mmarker> block 109050 was just found
471 2011-02-19 03:05:54 <mmarker> and 109051 was just found as well
472 2011-02-19 03:06:07 <mmarker> at 3:49:28 UTC
473 2011-02-19 03:07:54 <[Tycho\tAnd where is next one ?> NULL
474 2011-02-19 03:09:09 <mmarker> No idea.
475 2011-02-19 03:11:25 <citizen> where is what next one?
476 2011-02-19 03:11:50 <[Tycho]> The block.
477 2011-02-19 03:12:18 <citizen> you mean in the stats?
478 2011-02-19 03:12:36 <[Tycho]> Oh, here is it.
479 2011-02-19 03:12:45 <[Tycho]> No, in the entire chain.
480 2011-02-19 03:13:29 <Mango-chan> so
481 2011-02-19 03:13:31 <Mango-chan> what's going on
482 2011-02-19 03:13:32 <Mango-chan> where's slush
483 2011-02-19 03:13:45 <[Tycho]> mmarker, block number is almost correct.
484 2011-02-19 03:14:03 <mmarker> Yea, I think the time and probability are messed up
485 2011-02-19 03:14:12 <jgarzik> <shrug>  or it just means the pool hasn't found a block in a while
486 2011-02-19 03:14:20 <[Tycho]> There is still 00.06% probability :)
487 2011-02-19 03:15:01 <necrodearia> I think I will create some categories right now.
488 2011-02-19 03:15:16 <[Tycho]> What categories ?
489 2011-02-19 03:16:04 <mmarker> jgarzik: oh, it's not for the current block? Makes sense then
490 2011-02-19 03:16:13 <necrodearia> First 10 categories (1 per nick already in the channel (no new joins) suggested will be created and associated with you if you have a witcoin account (Please indicate your userid also) ^_^
491 2011-02-19 03:16:19 <jgarzik> mmarker: that timer runs until the pool finds a block
492 2011-02-19 03:16:31 <mmarker> jgarzik: Did not know tat, so then it makes sense
493 2011-02-19 03:16:37 <[Tycho]> What is witcoin ?
494 2011-02-19 03:16:44 <luke-jr> EW
495 2011-02-19 03:16:57 <necrodearia> See http://meta.witcoin.com/p/109/category-beta-testing for details
496 2011-02-19 03:17:15 <necrodearia> s/details/examples/
497 2011-02-19 03:18:57 <mmarker> EW is right
498 2011-02-19 03:19:11 <mmarker> I am looking at the other bitcoin app for Android
499 2011-02-19 03:19:28 <mmarker> They took the android rpc code that's out there and tacked on SSL and the Base64 authentication
500 2011-02-19 03:19:29 <ivan> if you set up a properly-designed quantum suicide machine you may be able to gets lots of BC
501 2011-02-19 03:19:36 <mmarker> I'm trying to be pedantic and make it cleaner
502 2011-02-19 03:21:23 <ivan> (don't try it at home)
503 2011-02-19 03:39:04 <necrodearia> Is anyone here an expert on the topic of crime?
504 2011-02-19 03:39:04 <[Tycho]> What do you want to commit today ? :)
505 2011-02-19 03:39:05 <necrodearia> Alternatively, is there anyone here that is interested in the topic or discussion of crime and would be interested in profiting from such discussions?
506 2011-02-19 03:39:05 <[Tycho]> 6 hrs, really, this is a crime of improbability.
507 2011-02-19 03:41:01 <bitcoiner> happen often ?
508 2011-02-19 03:44:08 <mmarker> Well, I'd say "we;re lucky, go to Vegas."
509 2011-02-19 03:44:12 <mmarker> But I know we aint
510 2011-02-19 03:44:27 <echelon> sgornick
511 2011-02-19 03:44:28 <mmarker> Grr, this is soooo frustrating
512 2011-02-19 03:47:53 <mmarker> I hate being anal retnetive and pedantic
513 2011-02-19 04:01:32 <riush> yep, score and shares of current round just reset
514 2011-02-19 04:07:45 <[Tycho]> Where ?
515 2011-02-19 04:11:00 <Mango-chan> Current round duration:
516 2011-02-19 04:11:13 <Mango-chan> wtf is going on
517 2011-02-19 04:12:01 <riush> [Tycho], slush pool. but as pointed out to me, that was the planned 'renormalization' that runs every full hour
518 2011-02-19 04:13:09 <[Tycho]> I rerouted my miners from slush after running for a few hours and now my score is 0. What a honest system...
519 2011-02-19 04:13:29 <ZenMondo> ;;bc,stats
520 2011-02-19 04:13:31 <gribble> Current Blocks: 109059 | Current Difficulty: 36459.88692508 | Next Difficulty At Block: 110879 | Next Difficulty In: 1820 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 4 hours, 25 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 50448.72506871
521 2011-02-19 04:13:44 <[Tycho]> Next Difficulty Estimate is depressing.
522 2011-02-19 04:13:58 <riush> [Tycho], yeah, by score is 0 too, but what i find strange is that my estimated reward went up
523 2011-02-19 04:14:07 <riush> (way higher than it would ever be for real)
524 2011-02-19 04:14:17 <[Tycho]> It does so sometimes.
525 2011-02-19 04:14:27 <[Tycho]> I don't think it will be paid :)
526 2011-02-19 04:14:32 <riush> whats the reason for that?
527 2011-02-19 04:15:05 <[Tycho]> May be it just means that some sow miners dumped their shares and now are silent, so your share becomes more important.
528 2011-02-19 04:15:10 <[Tycho]> *slow
529 2011-02-19 04:15:15 <riush> i noticed it goes back to normal once a share is found
530 2011-02-19 04:15:25 <riush> ah ok
531 2011-02-19 04:17:34 <[Tycho]> Now, when number of your shares is not important anymore, cheating would be much easier on slush's pool.
532 2011-02-19 04:21:05 <jgarzik> maybe the multi-server setup confused his stats
533 2011-02-19 04:21:35 <jgarzik> 1970 getwork/sec
534 2011-02-19 04:21:38 <jgarzik> really?
535 2011-02-19 04:24:16 <[Tycho]> 442 really
536 2011-02-19 04:25:05 <jgarzik> now back down to 425/sec
537 2011-02-19 04:25:54 <jgarzik> graph of System Daily Reward is plummeting
538 2011-02-19 04:26:47 <bitcoiner> 
539 2011-02-19 04:27:45 <andrew12> whats on the tails side of a bitcoin?
540 2011-02-19 04:28:02 <bitcoiner> why its low something high ?
541 2011-02-19 04:29:28 <luke-jr> where is tcatm lately
542 2011-02-19 04:29:44 <jgarzik> andrew12: picture of satoshi
543 2011-02-19 04:29:46 <luke-jr> jgarzik: LOL
544 2011-02-19 04:29:51 <andrew12> rofl
545 2011-02-19 04:30:06 <ZenMondo> the B with the lines IS the tail side
546 2011-02-19 04:30:23 <andrew12> ZenMondo: then what's the heads side?
547 2011-02-19 04:30:37 <andrew12> inb4 satoshi
548 2011-02-19 04:30:48 <ZenMondo> jgarzik has it.  Satoshi
549 2011-02-19 04:31:31 <andrew12> in sha256 we trust
550 2011-02-19 04:34:03 <mmarker> Ok, enough hacking in Java. Need sleep
551 2011-02-19 04:43:08 <gasteve> Hacking java...that's so 1990's..Of course I like to hack smalltalk...which is so 1970s. ;)
552 2011-02-19 04:46:32 <carnage_> pffft
553 2011-02-19 04:47:20 <carnage_> hacking smalltalk is so 2010s now with Moose
554 2011-02-19 04:47:51 <[Tycho]> ;;bc,gen 700000
555 2011-02-19 04:47:52 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 700000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 19.311082008 BTC per day and 0.804628416998 BTC per hour.
556 2011-02-19 04:51:43 <carnage_> ;;bc,gen 900000
557 2011-02-19 04:51:44 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 900000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 24.8285340102 BTC per day and 1.03452225043 BTC per hour.
558 2011-02-19 04:52:11 <EvanR_> lets hack lisp (1960s) or haskell (2370s)
559 2011-02-19 04:52:26 <carnage_> hmm, 1/h for the next two weeks eh... lets see what we lose to slush
560 2011-02-19 04:52:46 <carnage_> 2370 eh?  you got a time machine?
561 2011-02-19 04:52:50 <[Tycho]> ;;bc,gen 800000
562 2011-02-19 04:52:51 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 800000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 22.0698080091 BTC per day and 0.919575333712 BTC per hour.
563 2011-02-19 04:52:54 <EvanR_> someone does apparently
564 2011-02-19 04:53:07 <[Tycho]> ;;bc,gen 730000
565 2011-02-19 04:53:08 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 730000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 20.1386998083 BTC per day and 0.839112492012 BTC per hour.
566 2011-02-19 05:00:17 <gasteve> carnage_: Haha...another small talker here!  Cool.
567 2011-02-19 05:05:18 <nevezen> so the ratio of btc/usd just went down finally?
568 2011-02-19 05:09:12 <presence> Anyone using slush's pool?
569 2011-02-19 05:10:46 <[Tycho]> Yes.
570 2011-02-19 05:10:53 <ZenMondo> Yes I am
571 2011-02-19 05:11:12 <presence> when does your reward go to "unconfirmed"?
572 2011-02-19 05:11:31 <[Tycho]> When it's not confirmed yet.
573 2011-02-19 05:11:40 <[Tycho]> Usually you should wait for 120 blocks.
574 2011-02-19 05:11:47 <RBecker> If it's unconfirmed it means there hasn't been enough blocks to verify it
575 2011-02-19 05:11:57 <presence> Im speaking of when it becomes unconfirmed
576 2011-02-19 05:12:13 <RBecker> it's unconfirmed when you first get it
577 2011-02-19 05:12:18 <presence> been mining a few hours...and since he switched plans, I have seen nothing moved to unconfirmed
578 2011-02-19 05:12:21 <presence> its 0.
579 2011-02-19 05:12:43 <[Tycho]> New plan is a mess.
580 2011-02-19 05:13:05 <Mango-chan> so
581 2011-02-19 05:13:06 <Mango-chan> wtf
582 2011-02-19 05:13:09 <presence> I see all this "estimated reward" shit
583 2011-02-19 05:13:10 <Mango-chan> is oging on with slush's pool
584 2011-02-19 05:13:13 <[Tycho]> When did you start mining ?
585 2011-02-19 05:13:15 <presence> but it never moved to unconfirmed
586 2011-02-19 05:13:24 <presence> its been hours
587 2011-02-19 05:13:32 <presence> I do 770Mh/s
588 2011-02-19 05:13:41 <presence> still showing 0btc unconfirmed
589 2011-02-19 05:13:48 <[Tycho]> presence, if less than 7,5 hours - then block is just not found yet.
590 2011-02-19 05:14:18 <[Tycho]> presence, slush's pool this night has problems with probability or bugs.
591 2011-02-19 05:14:42 <presence> so its telling me for 770Mh/s that my expected reward is .33?  If thats true, no way in HELL am I partiticipating
592 2011-02-19 05:14:56 <presence> in 7.5 hours I should have much higher than that
593 2011-02-19 05:15:05 <Mango-chan> presence
594 2011-02-19 05:15:07 <ZenMondo> I got a payout from the pool 4 hours agi
595 2011-02-19 05:15:09 <Mango-chan> take a step back
596 2011-02-19 05:15:12 <Mango-chan> and calm the fuck down
597 2011-02-19 05:15:18 <[Tycho]> presence, slush's new plan isn't really nice.
598 2011-02-19 05:15:20 <presence> this is why Im asking and I havent closed the miners
599 2011-02-19 05:15:27 <Mango-chan> it's bugged tonight
600 2011-02-19 05:15:36 <Mango-chan> the last block
601 2011-02-19 05:15:37 <[Tycho]> presence, usually new block appears every 40 mins.
602 2011-02-19 05:15:40 <Mango-chan> has been running for like
603 2011-02-19 05:15:41 <carnage_> gasteve, i've not had a lot of hands on expirence with smalltalk, but a do greatly advocate it's immense influence on CLOS, the Perl 6 Object Engine (Moose in current Perl 5) and The Art of Metaobject Programming (great book)
604 2011-02-19 05:15:42 <Mango-chan> 7 hours
605 2011-02-19 05:15:45 <Mango-chan> somethings' wrong
606 2011-02-19 05:15:47 <Mango-chan> don't panic
607 2011-02-19 05:16:03 <[Tycho]> Why not panic if something is wrong ?
608 2011-02-19 05:16:11 <presence> if its bugged then I need to stop mining
609 2011-02-19 05:16:22 <presence> I dont want to mine for no reward
610 2011-02-19 05:16:59 <[Tycho]> presence, you better mine solo today because even if this block will be solved you'll get no more than 0.5 btc
611 2011-02-19 05:17:00 <gasteve> Why is there no goddam tab key on the iPad...I am lost without tab completion
612 2011-02-19 05:17:06 <presence> ok
613 2011-02-19 05:17:10 <presence> sounds about right then
614 2011-02-19 05:17:39 <[Tycho]> I hope to make new pool available today.
615 2011-02-19 05:18:12 <[Tycho]> Heh, slush's CFD reached 100% :)
616 2011-02-19 05:18:22 <gasteve> What's better if you have 2 5970's?  Pooled or solo?
617 2011-02-19 05:18:40 <[Tycho]> gasteve, pooled is always better if you aren't lucky.
618 2011-02-19 05:18:47 <Mango-chan> pooled = steady
619 2011-02-19 05:18:49 <Mango-chan> solo = luck
620 2011-02-19 05:19:02 <carnage_> pooled or solo should make a marginal difference to everything other than your desire to see results quickly
621 2011-02-19 05:19:15 <Mango-chan> so
622 2011-02-19 05:19:18 <carnage_> assuming the pool isn't fucked
623 2011-02-19 05:19:19 <Mango-chan> is there another pool in which i could participate
624 2011-02-19 05:19:41 <RBecker> mining.bitcoin.cz
625 2011-02-19 05:19:49 <[Tycho]> bitpenny is almost there
626 2011-02-19 05:20:34 <ZenMondo> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1976.msg50002#msg50002  might have something to do with it.
627 2011-02-19 05:21:01 <Mango-chan> RBecker "another"
628 2011-02-19 05:21:11 <bitcoiner> almost 8 hours wow
629 2011-02-19 05:21:23 <gasteve> but over time luck will even out...so, assuming you stick with solo over time...which is better?  I'd assume solo due to fees associated with pooled
630 2011-02-19 05:21:23 <RBecker> Mango-chan, yeah, that's not slosh
631 2011-02-19 05:21:27 <RBecker> so it's another
632 2011-02-19 05:21:32 <RBecker> kk? k.
633 2011-02-19 05:22:12 <[Tycho]> RBecker, we are talking about mining.bitcoin.cz, which is slush's pool.
634 2011-02-19 05:22:20 <RBecker> i see
635 2011-02-19 05:22:22 <carnage_> gasteve: do you use smalltalk for anything currently or are you just an old advoate?
636 2011-02-19 05:22:32 <[Tycho]> gasteve, there is no really fees at this moment.
637 2011-02-19 05:23:08 <gasteve> carnage_: smalltalk has the fastest brain to code conversion rate of any language I know...only issue is that due to a relatively small community, libraries aren't as plentiful
638 2011-02-19 05:23:42 <carnage_> i thought slush's pool had a manditory 2% fee due to him getting slashdotted and not being able to afford bandwidth heh
639 2011-02-19 05:24:12 <gasteve> Carnage_: I've done smalltalk professionally for about 15 years
640 2011-02-19 05:24:39 <carnage_> gasteve, used modern perl at all?
641 2011-02-19 05:25:54 <gasteve> No...my impression of Perl is that's it's executable line noise ...loll
642 2011-02-19 05:26:37 <carnage_> but put in perspective, i only taught myself to code 13 years ago with C when i was 12 :p
643 2011-02-19 05:27:11 <[Tycho]> C is the best language ever.
644 2011-02-19 05:27:37 <gasteve> Yeah, I started with c++ at about the same age...which was when Stroustroup was in the process of creating it
645 2011-02-19 05:27:41 <carnage_> line noise... possibly if you're trying to follow someone else's code that doesn't understand maintainability and modularity
646 2011-02-19 05:28:03 <gasteve> Yep...you write crap in any language
647 2011-02-19 05:28:12 <Mango-chan> [Tycho]
648 2011-02-19 05:28:13 <Mango-chan> why?
649 2011-02-19 05:28:28 <gasteve> s/you/you can/
650 2011-02-19 05:28:31 <rapacity> I love C being able to cast everything to void* and bypassing the typechecker is great
651 2011-02-19 05:28:57 <gasteve> Haha...same reason I like smalltalk :)
652 2011-02-19 05:29:04 <carnage_> hey, as far as "rounds" go for slush's pool, wtf is a round and where is it defined?
653 2011-02-19 05:29:07 <gasteve> Well, one of the reasons
654 2011-02-19 05:29:15 <[Tycho]> Mango-chan, because only your last shares do matter.
655 2011-02-19 05:31:40 <foucist> hey guys, why are people valuing this 5970 so low? http://www.overclock.net/appraisals/943538-update-sapphire-radeon-hd-5970-a.html
656 2011-02-19 05:31:43 <foucist> valuing it at 350-400 ?
657 2011-02-19 05:32:24 <Mango-chan> heat issue?
658 2011-02-19 05:32:29 <[Tycho]> They value it for gaming, not considering petamips power :)
659 2011-02-19 05:32:50 <foucist> i mean that sapphire 5970 should be perfectly fine right?
660 2011-02-19 05:32:51 <foucist> there's no problems with it?
661 2011-02-19 05:33:01 <foucist> what about teh reference card stuff?
662 2011-02-19 05:33:01 <[Tycho]> No problems.
663 2011-02-19 05:33:15 <[Tycho]> Reference cards are the best.
664 2011-02-19 05:33:37 <[Tycho]> The only downside is default 725 MHz clock.
665 2011-02-19 05:33:49 <[Tycho]> 5870 can run on 930 easily.
666 2011-02-19 05:37:27 <nevezen> is there anyone in this channel with sufficient power to give a cloak?
667 2011-02-19 05:38:41 <Mango-chan> join #freenode
668 2011-02-19 05:38:46 <[Tycho]> 8 hours, now that's suspicious.
669 2011-02-19 05:39:02 <Mango-chan> inb4 slush screwed it up on purpose and kept the coins tohimself
670 2011-02-19 05:39:22 <[Tycho]> 'inb4" ?
671 2011-02-19 05:39:41 <Mango-chan> "hopefully it's not true that"
672 2011-02-19 05:40:21 <bitcoiner> do you need to run generate coins if u mining solo with gpu ?
673 2011-02-19 05:40:32 <[Tycho]> How did you write that phrase with 4 chars ? :)
674 2011-02-19 05:40:39 <[Tycho]> bitcoiner, no
675 2011-02-19 05:40:56 <bitcoiner> ok thanks
676 2011-02-19 05:45:00 <gasteve> Tycho: what does it mean "Reference cards"
677 2011-02-19 05:45:42 <[Tycho]> Cards, designed by ATI.
678 2011-02-19 05:53:09 <JFK911> Did the block move yet?
679 2011-02-19 05:53:33 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
680 2011-02-19 05:53:35 <gribble> Current Blocks: 109067 | Current Difficulty: 36459.88692508 | Next Difficulty At Block: 110879 | Next Difficulty In: 1812 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 11 hours, 30 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 48645.39313625
681 2011-02-19 05:53:44 <JFK911> heh must be
682 2011-02-19 05:53:56 <genjix> looks like we're in for a crash!!
683 2011-02-19 05:54:05 <genjix> ;;bc,mtgox
684 2011-02-19 05:54:05 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.0402,"low":0.7801,"vol":36204,"buy":0.91,"sell":0.9866,"last":0.98}}
685 2011-02-19 05:54:11 <genjix> weee
686 2011-02-19 06:51:32 <[Tycho]> Heh, if only slush stalled two days later - then we wouldn't have that huge step in difficulty :)
687 2011-02-19 06:58:27 <afed> ;;bc,stats
688 2011-02-19 06:58:29 <gribble> Current Blocks: 109069 | Current Difficulty: 36459.88692508 | Next Difficulty At Block: 110879 | Next Difficulty In: 1810 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 14 hours, 46 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47943.80299613
689 2011-02-19 07:05:39 <bk128> anyone know the link for this channel's chatlog?
690 2011-02-19 07:06:55 <[Tycho]> Ask bots
691 2011-02-19 07:11:25 <bk128> ;;help
692 2011-02-19 07:11:25 <gribble> The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/
693 2011-02-19 07:11:32 <bk128> ;;facts
694 2011-02-19 07:11:32 <gribble> To see a nice sortable web view of all factoids, click here: http://gribble.dreamhosters.com/viewfactoids.php?db=%23bitcoin-dev || To see a list of the most popular factoids, run !rank || To search factoids, run !factoids search <yoursearchterm>
695 2011-02-19 07:11:58 <bk128> know the command?
696 2011-02-19 07:12:59 <bk128> ah, got it
697 2011-02-19 07:14:27 <genjix> ;;bc,help
698 2011-02-19 07:14:27 <gribble> Alias bc,bcm, Alias bc,blocks, Alias bc,btcex, Alias bc,calc, Alias bc,calcd, Alias bc,diff, Alias bc,estimate, Alias bc,gen, Alias bc,gend, Alias bc,help, Alias bc,hextarget, Alias bc,labs, Alias bc,lbs, Alias bc,markets, Alias bc,mtgox, Alias bc,nexttarget, Alias bc,poolstats, Alias bc,prob, Alias bc,stats, Alias bc,timetonext, Alias bc,totalbc, and Alias bc,wiki
699 2011-02-19 07:15:58 <Mango-chan> dfasdf
700 2011-02-19 07:16:01 <[Tycho]> Oh, he DID it ! ^)
701 2011-02-19 07:16:05 <Mango-chan> lol
702 2011-02-19 07:16:07 <Mango-chan> we finally found the block
703 2011-02-19 07:16:20 <[Tycho]> Serious block.
704 2011-02-19 07:21:21 <bk128> how long?
705 2011-02-19 07:22:00 <[Tycho]> 9.7 hours
706 2011-02-19 07:25:31 <bk128> [Tycho]: there's a lot more than that going on.  that's only slush's pool
707 2011-02-19 07:26:47 <bk128> or do you mean 9.7 hours since slush's last block
708 2011-02-19 07:28:15 <[Tycho]> Me and Mango-chan were talking about one specific block - http://blockexplorer.com/b/109071
709 2011-02-19 07:48:30 <genjix> mrs. mango
710 2011-02-19 08:07:13 <mmagic> ArtForz: if you are here, I am rebuilding a chunk of your fan control .c which you very helpfully provided a pastebin link to earlier today. Thank you for that. I just wanted to comment that in my systems (and therefore in some others,) the LPAdapterInfo block has an iPresent of 1 even though the device is NOT present in the system. However, the undoc'd struct members iXScreenNum and strXScreenConfigName can be checked as well, and as f
711 2011-02-19 08:07:14 <mmagic> ar as I can tell are only present in the active adapters.
712 2011-02-19 08:07:51 <mmagic> (that is, they contain non-zero values.)
713 2011-02-19 08:08:10 <mmagic> (or in the iXScreenNum's case, non -1 values.)
714 2011-02-19 08:50:08 <mmagic> bah. the only way I seem to be able to detect a slave adapter is by checking for an active fan speed control. Art, does that program actually work for you?
715 2011-02-19 08:55:12 <cosurgi> how can I instruct bitcoind to log every getwork done by clients?
716 2011-02-19 08:55:44 <lfm> I expect you'd need to modify the source
717 2011-02-19 08:55:57 <cosurgi> hm
718 2011-02-19 09:52:39 <mmagic> aaaargh the oscillating fan speeds are scaring the cat!
719 2011-02-19 09:52:42 <mmagic> lol
720 2011-02-19 10:09:21 <wumpus> hehe, so bitcoin mining is bad for the environment, it scares the native animals :)
721 2011-02-19 10:14:48 <mmagic> :) i'm using a heavily-modified version of art's pastebin from earlier where he put up his fan control program.. but it's having trouble achieving equilibrium without help..
722 2011-02-19 10:15:47 <Keefe> if you don't modify his code, does it still oscillate?
723 2011-02-19 10:16:22 <lfm> fans have trouble running at very low speeds, is it trying to converge <30% or so?
724 2011-02-19 10:17:12 <mmagic> if I don't modify his code, it doesn't detect 5970 slave devices, sets the fan speeds to 0% for long periods of time while the cards heat up, and so on.
725 2011-02-19 10:17:42 <mmagic> it's trying to converge on anywhere from 58% for one card, to about 40% for the others.
726 2011-02-19 10:18:26 <mmagic> i haven't changed his fanspeed calculation algorithm aside from overriding the minfan (now) which seems to have helped quite a bit.
727 2011-02-19 10:19:10 <lfm> you could try fiddling with the constants in there right after the targtemp
728 2011-02-19 10:19:55 <lfm> Kp, Ki, Kd
729 2011-02-19 10:21:38 <mmagic> good enough for now. a clamp to minspeed seems to have fixed the problem.
730 2011-02-19 10:22:10 <mmagic> now i'm compressing the line to 80col and putting velocity indicators on the status line :)
731 2011-02-19 10:29:50 <ArtForz> hint: lower the sleep() to 1 second, increase Kp to 4 or so
732 2011-02-19 10:30:15 <ArtForz> a bit jumpier, but reacts a lot better to load changes
733 2011-02-19 10:30:43 <ArtForz> might also try adding feedforward control
734 2011-02-19 10:30:59 <ArtForz> = add in load % * constant
735 2011-02-19 10:31:17 <mmagic> did the sleep reduction already and.. I like the gradual-ness. the minimum clamping seems to have done the trick. convergence even when the door's open in the winter has never been > 30% for me..
736 2011-02-19 10:31:37 <mmagic> hrm, that's interesting..
737 2011-02-19 10:31:50 <ArtForz> with a properly tuned feedforward loop the PID loop should only have to compensate for ambient temp changes
738 2011-02-19 10:31:52 <mmagic> <30% i mean..
739 2011-02-19 10:31:56 <ArtForz> neat
740 2011-02-19 10:32:38 <mmagic> was that the exact program you use, that was pastebin'd?
741 2011-02-19 10:32:44 <ArtForz> yea
742 2011-02-19 10:33:14 <mmagic> i'm surprised as heck your slaves are recognised. did you do a BIOS upgrade or something?
743 2011-02-19 10:33:17 <ArtForz> well, I since added a simple commandline parser so I can tune target temp and Kp/i/d without recompiling
744 2011-02-19 10:33:23 <ArtForz> nope
745 2011-02-19 10:33:54 <ArtForz> my master/slave detection is rather... hackish
746 2011-02-19 10:34:10 <mmagic> what the hell man. my iPresent is 1 even for the ghost cards.
747 2011-02-19 10:34:16 <ArtForz> wtf
748 2011-02-19 10:34:25 <ArtForz> I dont see that
749 2011-02-19 10:34:43 <mmagic> you ever install a card and then take it back out or move it?
750 2011-02-19 10:34:45 <ArtForz> yes
751 2011-02-19 10:34:50 <ArtForz> plenty of times
752 2011-02-19 10:35:11 <ArtForz> I have a bunch of ghost cards, but iPresent is 0 for those
753 2011-02-19 10:35:17 <mmagic> huh.  hey I noticed you detect a slave when it's a busID *lower* than a master. you have cards that do that?
754 2011-02-19 10:35:24 <ArtForz> yea
755 2011-02-19 10:35:46 <ArtForz> happens with a 5970 on a x4 slot of a old nforce4 board
756 2011-02-19 10:36:23 <sipa> what is iPresent?
757 2011-02-19 10:36:44 <ArtForz> "adapter is present" flag
758 2011-02-19 10:36:51 <sipa> lol, ok
759 2011-02-19 10:36:52 <sipa> nvm
760 2011-02-19 10:37:01 <ArtForz> at least according to ADL SDK docs...
761 2011-02-19 10:37:14 <mmagic> yeah i read that too.
762 2011-02-19 10:37:22 <ArtForz> but those seem to be more like general hints
763 2011-02-19 10:37:26 <mmagic> the only way i can tell for sure is a Get_Active call.
764 2011-02-19 10:37:46 <ArtForz> = more often than not shit actually works differently than what the docs say
765 2011-02-19 10:37:53 <mmagic> and then the only way i can detect a slave is whether it *succeeds* at a get fanspeed call or not.
766 2011-02-19 10:38:22 <ArtForz> ?
767 2011-02-19 10:38:23 <mmagic> slave -> master
768 2011-02-19 10:38:54 <mmagic> my slaves will fail the call. you had the function returning failure in that case.
769 2011-02-19 10:39:19 <ArtForz> your slaves fail fanspeedinfoget ?
770 2011-02-19 10:39:30 <mmagic> you know, for a moment i thought you'd done all that stuff as a barrier to entry. "You must be This Tall to use this program."
771 2011-02-19 10:39:35 <lfm> I get those dupes where the strUDID is identical
772 2011-02-19 10:40:26 <mmagic> ADL_Overdrive5_FanSpeedInfo_Get <-- that fails with a != ADL_OK
773 2011-02-19 10:40:34 <ArtForz> works fine here
774 2011-02-19 10:40:43 <ArtForz> os/catalyst version?
775 2011-02-19 10:40:48 <mmagic> let's see...
776 2011-02-19 10:40:56 <Blitzboom> wtf. something is wrong with my client
777 2011-02-19 10:41:01 <Blitzboom> i just created a block
778 2011-02-19 10:41:06 <Blitzboom> but there is no transaction
779 2011-02-19 10:41:20 <Blitzboom> i solo mine with poclbm
780 2011-02-19 10:41:29 <Blitzboom> how can that even be?
781 2011-02-19 10:41:33 <ArtForz> Blitzboom: generations take 1 additional block to show up in GUI client
782 2011-02-19 10:41:34 <lfm> Blitzboom: may take up to 20 hours to show up in your balance
783 2011-02-19 10:41:51 <ArtForz> and 120 blocks to show up in RPC balance
784 2011-02-19 10:41:53 <mmagic> Ubuntu 10.10 mav, ati-driver-installer-10-12-x86.x86_64.run
785 2011-02-19 10:42:02 <lfm> Blitzboom: whats it say in your debug.log?
786 2011-02-19 10:42:04 <Blitzboom> oh, ok
787 2011-02-19 10:42:14 <Blitzboom> so 1 block to show up at all
788 2011-02-19 10:42:18 <ArtForz> debian sid amd64 here, fglrx 10.10 through 10.12
789 2011-02-19 10:42:23 <Blitzboom> its just the first time i witnassed a generation live
790 2011-02-19 10:42:28 <Blitzboom> witnessed*
791 2011-02-19 10:43:24 <Blitzboom> wheres debug.log located?
792 2011-02-19 10:43:28 <mmagic> huh.. well, anyway, thank you a huge pile for sparing me the effort of building a velocity-overtaker fanspeed controller, I have a feeling I would've had a few "Thermal Events" as they call them in the docs, on the way to something functional.
793 2011-02-19 10:43:50 <ArtForz> trying to get back to auto-speed control = fun
794 2011-02-19 10:44:02 <mmagic> i thought i saw a call that did that..
795 2011-02-19 10:44:06 <ArtForz> "now it's back on auto... uhhhh... nope, 0%"
796 2011-02-19 10:44:14 <ArtForz> yeah, it kinda doesn't work
797 2011-02-19 10:44:44 <lfm> reboot? grin
798 2011-02-19 10:44:50 <ArtForz> or restart X
799 2011-02-19 10:45:16 <ArtForz> the trick is you have to call FanSpeed_Set with ADL_DL_FANCTRL_FLAG_USER_DEFINED_SPEED cleared before trying to go back to auto
800 2011-02-19 10:45:20 <mmagic> ADL_Overdrive5_FanSpeedToDefault_Set ?
801 2011-02-19 10:45:26 <ArtForz> yes, does not work
802 2011-02-19 10:45:39 <mmagic> oh, didn't read before pasting that.
803 2011-02-19 10:45:51 <mmagic> huh!
804 2011-02-19 10:45:53 <ArtForz> set manual fanspeed, call FanSpeedToDefault, watch fan speed go to 0% and stay there
805 2011-02-19 10:46:07 <ArtForz> "whoops"
806 2011-02-19 10:46:11 <Blitzboom> ok, it did show up after generation of a new block
807 2011-02-19 10:46:12 <Blitzboom> thank you
808 2011-02-19 10:46:27 <lfm> wtg
809 2011-02-19 10:46:41 <mmagic> jesus, all the fans exploding into 100% when i first ran the artfan program (as I call it) freaked me out well enough on its own. :)
810 2011-02-19 10:46:51 <ArtForz> hehehe
811 2011-02-19 10:47:07 <mmagic> =]
812 2011-02-19 10:47:11 <sipa> if you've never heard 5970 fans at 100%, it'll sure scare you anyway :)
813 2011-02-19 10:47:30 <ArtForz> yeah, hearing a 5970 ramp to 100% the first time is interesting experience
814 2011-02-19 10:47:32 <lfm> well defaulting to 100% is kinda failsafe
815 2011-02-19 10:47:35 <mmagic> i had, but not 4 at once..!
816 2011-02-19 10:48:04 <lfm> ah 4 ya!
817 2011-02-19 10:48:15 <ArtForz> hearing bigger 80 or 120mm fans spool up is also fun
818 2011-02-19 10:49:01 <ArtForz> my papst 120mms take about 5 sec to ramp from standstill to 100%
819 2011-02-19 10:49:09 <ArtForz> inrush protection
820 2011-02-19 10:49:31 <mmagic> 0:85.0/84.0???C*55|1:85.0/84.0???C*43|2:85.0/84.5???C*40|3:80.5/85.0???C*40    the * changes to ^ or v depending on velocity. and now i can cram it all into a logfile and start graphing it.
821 2011-02-19 10:49:33 <lfm> liable to blow fuses if it tried to fast?
822 2011-02-19 10:49:56 <mmagic> guess what my target is. :)
823 2011-02-19 10:50:12 <lfm> 15c?
824 2011-02-19 10:50:16 <ArtForz> 42 ?
825 2011-02-19 10:50:43 <lfm> 180c?
826 2011-02-19 10:50:54 <mmagic> 85!
827 2011-02-19 10:50:59 <ArtForz> thats a big number
828 2011-02-19 10:51:01 <mmagic> whee!
829 2011-02-19 10:51:17 <sipa> ;;bc,calc 1240000
830 2011-02-19 10:51:18 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1240000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 1 day, 11 hours, 4 minutes, and 45 seconds
831 2011-02-19 10:51:20 <mmagic> 180c awesome
832 2011-02-19 10:51:22 <sipa> ;;bc,gen 1240000
833 2011-02-19 10:51:23 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1240000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 34.2082024141 BTC per day and 1.42534176725 BTC per hour.
834 2011-02-19 10:51:48 <ArtForz> so your target is 281710411438055027694947944226061159480056634330574206405101912752560026159795933451040286452340924018275123200000000000000000000 ?
835 2011-02-19 10:51:52 <genjix> blaa ;;bc,gen 1240000
836 2011-02-19 10:51:55 <genjix> ;;bc,gen 1240000
837 2011-02-19 10:51:56 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1240000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 34.2082024141 BTC per day and 1.42534176725 BTC per hour.
838 2011-02-19 10:52:22 <mmagic> my target is "breakfast" man!
839 2011-02-19 10:52:23 <ArtForz> well, that's 85! ;)
840 2011-02-19 10:52:32 <mmagic> :)
841 2011-02-19 10:53:32 <lfm> mount a grill on it for bacon and eggs?
842 2011-02-19 10:53:34 <ArtForz> hmmm... load feedforward seems to work nicely
843 2011-02-19 10:54:20 <ArtForz> temp stays within +-3???C going 100-0-100 load
844 2011-02-19 10:55:15 <mmagic> cool!
845 2011-02-19 10:55:55 <ArtForz> hmmm, looks like it needs different tuning depending on case airflow
846 2011-02-19 10:56:47 <ArtForz> in my "normal" boxes it overcompensates
847 2011-02-19 10:57:58 <ArtForz> adding load/2 to fanspeed percent
848 2011-02-19 10:59:16 <ArtForz> yeah, a bit too much... load % / 2.5 looks better
849 2011-02-19 11:02:03 <mmagic> okay, bedtime.   nice chatting with you, take care.
850 2011-02-19 11:15:15 <BlueMatt> what is up with the 0.3.20 build?
851 2011-02-19 11:18:24 <Blitzboom> i just read about the keypool of 100 keys
852 2011-02-19 11:18:51 <Blitzboom> i have an old backup of my wallet, but there was only 1 transaction or something
853 2011-02-19 11:19:29 <Blitzboom> does it have to be set in your bitcoin.conf?
854 2011-02-19 11:20:00 <Blitzboom> because i only have user and pw bitcoin communicates with the miner there
855 2011-02-19 11:20:40 <sipa> what has to be set in bitcoin.conf?
856 2011-02-19 11:21:08 <lfm> sipa: nothing unless you want to
857 2011-02-19 11:21:25 <Blitzboom> i thought it was a standard feature?
858 2011-02-19 11:21:29 <sipa> lfm: i mean, what does Blitzboom ask?
859 2011-02-19 11:21:40 <sipa> 13:19:29 < Blitzboom> does it have to be set in your bitcoin.conf?  -> what has to be set, you ask?
860 2011-02-19 11:22:08 <Blitzboom> i mean if it has to be set there if i use a keypool of x adresses
861 2011-02-19 11:22:12 <sipa> no
862 2011-02-19 11:22:14 <Blitzboom> i only have two lines there
863 2011-02-19 11:22:15 <lfm> Blitzboom: the 100 future addresses is standard without any options
864 2011-02-19 11:22:34 <lfm> Blitzboom: you dont treally see them
865 2011-02-19 11:22:38 <Blitzboom> so i must be able to backup with my old wallet. ill see
866 2011-02-19 11:22:56 <lfm> how old? the 100 were not always there
867 2011-02-19 11:23:17 <Blitzboom> a few days
868 2011-02-19 11:23:20 <Blitzboom> so
869 2011-02-19 11:23:25 <lfm> mtgox took a beating today
870 2011-02-19 11:23:53 <lfm> Blitzboom: ok a few days should be ok if its from the same version
871 2011-02-19 11:24:10 <Blitzboom> it is &
872 2011-02-19 11:24:16 <grondilu> what's the "longest" block chain exactly.  I guess it's not only the number of blocks.  It takes the inner difficulties into account, right ?
873 2011-02-19 11:24:26 <sipa> grondilu: yes
874 2011-02-19 11:24:30 <Blitzboom> but there are only two adresses in that wallet
875 2011-02-19 11:24:36 <Blitzboom> i dont get it
876 2011-02-19 11:24:45 <sipa> Blitzboom: no, there are two *visible* addresses in that wallet
877 2011-02-19 11:24:58 <sipa> it has 100 invisible ones as well
878 2011-02-19 11:25:04 <Blitzboom> i dont mean that
879 2011-02-19 11:25:08 <Blitzboom> in my backup
880 2011-02-19 11:25:13 <Blitzboom> oh, right
881 2011-02-19 11:25:20 <Blitzboom> so i backup by reloading the blocks?!
882 2011-02-19 11:25:24 <Blitzboom> ok
883 2011-02-19 11:25:34 <Blitzboom> worth a try