1 2011-02-23 00:00:07 <tcatm> I haven't seen TX hashes either.
  2 2011-02-23 00:00:18 <[Tycho]> One hour passed and the transaction is still not in the block. There is some conspiracy...
  3 2011-02-23 00:00:39 <tcatm> [Tycho]: which TX?
  4 2011-02-23 00:00:41 <quellhorst> i'm in your mining machine, stealing your coins
  5 2011-02-23 00:01:05 <[Tycho]> tcatm, from slush's pool to me. I can't give a link because it's not there.
  6 2011-02-23 00:01:08 <quellhorst> what keeps a worm/virus from stealing your coins?
  7 2011-02-23 00:01:19 <BlueMatt> quellhorst: nothing
  8 2011-02-23 00:01:35 <tcatm> [Tycho]: I could check the lastlog of #bitcoin-monitor
  9 2011-02-23 00:01:36 <luke-jr> quellhorst: the fact that you don't run Windows, and therefore aren't suceptible? :D
 10 2011-02-23 00:01:37 <BlueMatt> see "The case of the Russion Scammer" on the forums (shameless self-plug)
 11 2011-02-23 00:01:58 <ArtForz> nope, no caching
 12 2011-02-23 00:02:07 <quellhorst> luke-jr: lol, yeah i don't run windows
 13 2011-02-23 00:02:08 <[Tycho]> tcatm, 4.97 to address 12dtzQ3nT27nzacSbaaaerjVXSgvMhy2e5
 14 2011-02-23 00:02:14 <sipa> apparently i got confused by CMerkleTx's hashBlock field
 15 2011-02-23 00:02:32 <ArtForz> it's even worse
 16 2011-02-23 00:02:43 <slush> sipa: so I was right? All hashes are calculated for every merkle request?
 17 2011-02-23 00:02:45 <ArtForz> so we actually reserialize every tx...
 18 2011-02-23 00:02:45 <BlueMatt> quellhorst: weve seen trojans which work on linux which steal bitcoins already, so...
 19 2011-02-23 00:02:52 <sipa> slush: yes
 20 2011-02-23 00:02:54 <tcatm> [Tycho]: f5f772198eaa4f7c994b4b64c8b471b600ae39f9ed3e5091061a711e3526708b one hour ago
 21 2011-02-23 00:02:55 <quellhorst> BlueMatt: ouch
 22 2011-02-23 00:03:01 <quellhorst> BlueMatt: personally?
 23 2011-02-23 00:03:06 <slush> great place for speed improvements :)
 24 2011-02-23 00:03:11 <BlueMatt> quellhorst: didnt get mine stolen
 25 2011-02-23 00:03:13 <ArtForz> yep
 26 2011-02-23 00:03:17 <JFK911> where are those trojans distributed?  here?
 27 2011-02-23 00:03:19 <quellhorst> BlueMatt: i have seen linux boxen rooted often.
 28 2011-02-23 00:03:24 <BlueMatt> on the forums
 29 2011-02-23 00:03:25 <ArtForz> this looks like it shouldnt be too hard to improve
 30 2011-02-23 00:03:27 <JFK911> wtf else would you find bitcoin users
 31 2011-02-23 00:03:28 <JFK911> oh
 32 2011-02-23 00:03:47 <BlueMatt> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3628.0 - read that
 33 2011-02-23 00:03:53 <BlueMatt> again shamless self-plug
 34 2011-02-23 00:03:53 <quellhorst> maybe its safer to transfer bitcoins to a more secure account?
 35 2011-02-23 00:04:00 <ArtForz> step 1: make CTransaction smarter and have it cache its hash
 36 2011-02-23 00:04:00 <gavinandresen> toad_ : http://blockexplorer.com/address/1966U1pjj15tLxPXZ19U48c99EJDkdXeqb    <-- you've got donations already!
 37 2011-02-23 00:04:03 <BlueMatt> that is recommended
 38 2011-02-23 00:04:06 <quellhorst> like you'll have your clusters but then transfer outside of the cluster
 39 2011-02-23 00:04:10 <JFK911> haha
 40 2011-02-23 00:04:13 <[Tycho]> tcatm, http://blockexplorer.com/search/f5f772198eaa4f7c994b4b64c8b471b600ae39f9ed3e5091061a711e3526708b
 41 2011-02-23 00:04:14 <JFK911> wallet backup program
 42 2011-02-23 00:04:20 <JFK911> i guess he couldnt pick where the backup went
 43 2011-02-23 00:04:27 <BlueMatt> quellhorst: it is recommended you keep a saving wallet
 44 2011-02-23 00:04:35 <BlueMatt> on an encrypted, backed up drive
 45 2011-02-23 00:04:41 <tcatm> [Tycho]: yep, same for all following TX relying on the change
 46 2011-02-23 00:04:46 <BlueMatt> and then a day to day one which has less btc in it
 47 2011-02-23 00:04:52 <[Tycho]> tcatm, why is that ?
 48 2011-02-23 00:05:18 <sipa> ArtForz: yeah, that's actually a 2-line modification ...
 49 2011-02-23 00:05:33 <tcatm> maybe slush included to little fees. the other output is ~1890 BTC
 50 2011-02-23 00:06:25 <tcatm> Hm. that makes no sense. If his bitcoind had smaller inputs it wouldn't combine them to 5 + 1890 outs
 51 2011-02-23 00:07:06 <slush> tcatm: I'm using standard client, but in server wallet is 1890 BTC right now. Looks like bad coin selection?
 52 2011-02-23 00:07:22 <tcatm> slush: can you pastebin gettransaction f5f772198eaa4f7c994b4b64c8b471b600ae39f9ed3e5091061a711e3526708b ?
 53 2011-02-23 00:09:16 <slush> tcatm: com
 54 2011-02-23 00:09:21 <slush> heh
 55 2011-02-23 00:09:24 <slush> tcatm: http://pastebin.com/EV6seyLe
 56 2011-02-23 00:09:47 <tcatm> 0.3.19?
 57 2011-02-23 00:09:50 <slush> yes
 58 2011-02-23 00:10:15 <toad_> easiest way to get relatively small amounts (hundreds) out of btc? bitcoinmarket goes straight to paypal but seems to be invite only; mtgox goes through Liberty Reserve, which means another layer of variable fees, potentially unreliable exchangers and possible problems ...
 59 2011-02-23 00:10:18 <tcatm> hm somethings wrong. It should have been resend a few times already
 60 2011-02-23 00:10:39 <nanotube> toad_: maybe #bitcoin-otc :)
 61 2011-02-23 00:10:55 <nanotube> toad_: you could also sell on mtgox, then sell mtgusd on bitcoin-otc for ppusd.
 62 2011-02-23 00:13:33 <gavinandresen> toad_ : Bitcoin 2 Credit Card should work, too:  https://www.bitcoin2cc.com/   (MadHatter has a good rep)
 63 2011-02-23 00:14:00 <slush> I have to go. Hope transaction will be confirmed soon :)
 64 2011-02-23 00:14:07 <[Tycho]> :(
 65 2011-02-23 00:14:09 <andrew12> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2pp/minecraft-the-story-of-mojang
 66 2011-02-23 00:18:04 <bk128> big budget
 67 2011-02-23 00:18:47 <Blitzboom> how do i make sure that everythings fine with poclbm?
 68 2011-02-23 00:19:00 <Blitzboom> when i lost the internet connection, it didnt show any errors, so im kind of irritated now
 69 2011-02-23 00:19:18 <BlueMatt> just kill it and start it again
 70 2011-02-23 00:19:30 <BlueMatt> or check your gpu usage % or gpu temp
 71 2011-02-23 00:19:36 <VastLite> dang I just missed slush
 72 2011-02-23 00:19:50 <Blitzboom> yeah, i did. just paranoid whether everythings ok
 73 2011-02-23 00:19:59 <bk128> are you in a pool?
 74 2011-02-23 00:20:05 <Blitzboom> nope, solo mining
 75 2011-02-23 00:20:08 <bk128> ;;bc,blocks
 76 2011-02-23 00:20:10 <gribble> 109807
 77 2011-02-23 00:20:14 <bk128> do you have that many blocks?
 78 2011-02-23 00:20:24 <Blitzboom> i had four in three days
 79 2011-02-23 00:20:24 <[Tycho]> VastLite, i just missed almost 5 BTC that i needed :(
 80 2011-02-23 00:20:37 <Blitzboom> three days of nothing now though. but that should be normal
 81 2011-02-23 00:20:48 <[Tycho]> bk128, yes.
 82 2011-02-23 00:21:02 <bk128> is anyone here familiar with the opencl core? I have a dumb question
 83 2011-02-23 00:21:05 <VastLite> my first block cleared and it ended up crediting me 1/100th of what it said it would
 84 2011-02-23 00:21:12 <Blitzboom> what.
 85 2011-02-23 00:21:17 <Blitzboom> how can that be?
 86 2011-02-23 00:21:34 <BlueMatt> you cant get .5 BTC from generating a block
 87 2011-02-23 00:21:35 <bk128> VastLite: in a pool?
 88 2011-02-23 00:21:49 <bk128> if you're solo mining you get 50 btc now
 89 2011-02-23 00:21:58 <Blitzboom> yeah & until 2013
 90 2011-02-23 00:22:29 <Blitzboom> im really looking forward to when mining becomes much less profitable
 91 2011-02-23 00:22:38 <sipa> what is the max number of transactions in a block?
 92 2011-02-23 00:22:41 <Blitzboom> people will start talking about it and rather talk about bitcoin itself
 93 2011-02-23 00:22:46 <Blitzboom> will stop*
 94 2011-02-23 00:22:56 <BlueMatt> I believe there is a 100k limit on blocksize
 95 2011-02-23 00:23:20 <Blitzboom> https://freenetproject.org/donate.html
 96 2011-02-23 00:23:21 <Blitzboom> hell yeah
 97 2011-02-23 00:23:32 <tcatm> 500k limit
 98 2011-02-23 00:23:59 <tcatm> miners won't generate larger blocks but nodes will accept 1000k blocks
 99 2011-02-23 00:24:41 <VastLite> http://pastebin.com/dxcXzLJ9
100 2011-02-23 00:25:23 <BlueMatt> VastLite: yes with pool mining you dont get much per share
101 2011-02-23 00:25:49 <BlueMatt> a share is a reduced difficulty block, of which only a tiny fraction are ligitimate blocks
102 2011-02-23 00:25:59 <VastLite> but how does 0.13 BTC amount to 0.00026 BTC?
103 2011-02-23 00:26:13 <BlueMatt> ;;math calc 50/[bc,difficulty]
104 2011-02-23 00:26:14 <gribble> Error: "bc,difficulty" is not a valid command.
105 2011-02-23 00:26:32 <BlueMatt> ;;bc,difficulty
106 2011-02-23 00:26:33 <gribble> Error: "bc,difficulty" is not a valid command.
107 2011-02-23 00:26:37 <BlueMatt> ;;,bc,stats
108 2011-02-23 00:26:38 <gribble> Error: ",bc,stats" is not a valid command.
109 2011-02-23 00:26:42 <BlueMatt> ;;bc,stats
110 2011-02-23 00:26:44 <gribble> Current Blocks: 109809 | Current Difficulty: 36459.88692508 | Next Difficulty At Block: 110879 | Next Difficulty In: 1070 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 11 hours, 22 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 49495.83119173
111 2011-02-23 00:27:10 <BlueMatt> VastLite: when you generate a block there is a 1/ 36459.88692508 chance that it is a valid block
112 2011-02-23 00:27:26 <BlueMatt> this means that you get 50/ 36459.88692508 bitcoins per share (on average)
113 2011-02-23 00:28:02 <bk128> what?
114 2011-02-23 00:28:07 <VastLite> yes, yes, I understand I won't get the full 50 BTC or w/e for pooled mining, however, my profile said there was 0.45 BTC pending
115 2011-02-23 00:28:20 <VastLite> in 5 blocks
116 2011-02-23 00:28:30 <BlueMatt> pending means coins that have not yet matured
117 2011-02-23 00:28:34 <bk128> the difficulty determines the target hash I thought
118 2011-02-23 00:28:54 <BlueMatt> bk128 it does
119 2011-02-23 00:29:02 <bk128> if you generate a block and it gets confirmed, you get the 50 btc after it matures in 100+ blocks
120 2011-02-23 00:29:06 <sipa> and a tx is apparently at least 59 bytes
121 2011-02-23 00:29:11 <VastLite> so an "unconfirmed" reward means absolutely nothing?
122 2011-02-23 00:29:22 <BlueMatt> it means you will get it, but not yet
123 2011-02-23 00:29:25 <sipa> if script would be empty, that is
124 2011-02-23 00:29:41 <BlueMatt> there is a miniscule chance that an unconfirmed reward might dissapear, but its too small to care about
125 2011-02-23 00:29:48 <VastLite> so will I eventually get all 0.13?
126 2011-02-23 00:29:53 <BlueMatt> yea
127 2011-02-23 00:30:13 <VastLite> it just takes time as it is confirmed?
128 2011-02-23 00:30:28 <BlueMatt> it takes a specified number of generated blocks
129 2011-02-23 00:30:33 <BlueMatt> so...time
130 2011-02-23 00:31:07 <BlueMatt> bk128: difficulty determines target hash, which determines the chance that a hash of difficulty 1 will be a valid hash
131 2011-02-23 00:31:25 <[Tycho]> Oh, they did it, at last :)
132 2011-02-23 00:32:03 <bk128> BlueMatt: are you familiar with the opencl sha core?
133 2011-02-23 00:32:11 <bk128> sha kernel*
134 2011-02-23 00:32:30 <bk128> I had a dumb question about it
135 2011-02-23 00:32:33 <BlueMatt> bk128: not really
136 2011-02-23 00:32:44 <ArtForz> I am ...
137 2011-02-23 00:33:24 <bk128> ArtForz:  could the double precision floating point adders be used instead of doing bitwise addition in the sha round?
138 2011-02-23 00:33:46 <ArtForz> I'd say no
139 2011-02-23 00:34:08 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit is trying to rewrite alot of it for floating point, as nvidias are MUCH better at floating point
140 2011-02-23 00:34:09 <BlueMatt> ask him
141 2011-02-23 00:34:15 <ArtForz> not really
142 2011-02-23 00:34:20 <bk128> ArtForz: can you explain?
143 2011-02-23 00:34:34 <ArtForz> nvidias are exactly as slow at FP as they are with integer ops
144 2011-02-23 00:34:48 <ArtForz> well, single precision FP, that is
145 2011-02-23 00:35:02 <bk128> but for the ati 6xxx series, it has a lot more fp ability right?
146 2011-02-23 00:35:02 <BlueMatt> then why are they slower than ati's when all other things run faster on nvidias
147 2011-02-23 00:35:24 <ArtForz> because the interger instuction set on ATI 5xxxs REALLY helps
148 2011-02-23 00:35:27 <BlueMatt> assuming highest end models
149 2011-02-23 00:35:30 <ArtForz> 1-cycle rotate()
150 2011-02-23 00:35:42 <ArtForz> Ch(e, f, g) in 1 opcode
151 2011-02-23 00:35:57 <ArtForz> mainly the single cycle rotate
152 2011-02-23 00:36:27 <BlueMatt> so there is no chance of a nvidia core which offers more performance, similar to amd's?
153 2011-02-23 00:36:38 <ArtForz> not with any of their current GPUs
154 2011-02-23 00:36:49 <bk128> ugh, I'm trying to read this FIPS standard
155 2011-02-23 00:36:58 <BlueMatt> shame
156 2011-02-23 00:37:45 <ArtForz> kernel using ATI 5xxx features is about 50% faster than generic version
157 2011-02-23 00:37:55 <[Tycho]> I had to buy ATI instead of nvidia, so i won't be able to use CUDA acceleration in new photoshop :(
158 2011-02-23 00:38:01 <ArtForz> note that 4xxxs didnt school nvidia quite as badly
159 2011-02-23 00:38:20 <[Tycho]> ATI knew something...
160 2011-02-23 00:38:43 <BlueMatt> I'm assuming the cores in m0m's and Diablo's use the 5xxx features?
161 2011-02-23 00:38:47 <ArtForz> yep
162 2011-02-23 00:39:07 <ArtForz> well, not the 1-cycle Ch(), but the native rotate
163 2011-02-23 00:39:15 <bk128> ArtForz: how many clock cycles does it take for a double precision float add?
164 2011-02-23 00:39:31 <ArtForz> reduces # of instructions/hash by about 1/3
165 2011-02-23 00:39:52 <BlueMatt> dam
166 2011-02-23 00:40:02 <bk128> does that translate to a 33% speedup?
167 2011-02-23 00:40:20 <ArtForz> 50% I think
168 2011-02-23 00:40:21 <BlueMatt> is there a miner which does take advantage of the 1-cycle Ch()?
169 2011-02-23 00:40:39 <ArtForz> mrbs CAL miner (400 BTC I think)
170 2011-02-23 00:40:54 <ArtForz> and my private calmine (not for sale)
171 2011-02-23 00:40:59 <BlueMatt> lol ok
172 2011-02-23 00:41:03 <ArtForz> but it only gains like an additional 8% or so
173 2011-02-23 00:41:15 <bk128> ArtForz: do you have that running on your GPUs?
174 2011-02-23 00:41:19 <ArtForz> yes
175 2011-02-23 00:41:51 <bk128> so you get like 680 mhash/sec on a 5870?
176 2011-02-23 00:42:02 <ArtForz> getting 604Mhps stock on a 5970
177 2011-02-23 00:42:18 <ArtForz> a bit over 700 OCed on average
178 2011-02-23 00:42:42 <BlueMatt> its a shame how little open source stuff there is on the ridiculously optimized end of miners
179 2011-02-23 00:42:47 <quellhorst> ArtForz: how much did you OC to?
180 2011-02-23 00:42:48 <BlueMatt> i know its money and all, but
181 2011-02-23 00:43:01 <gasteve> so, what is the trick to disable Crossfire on the 5970?  I am only getting around 275Mhash on my stock 5970
182 2011-02-23 00:43:08 <BlueMatt> youd think a community as small as btc would open source more stuff
183 2011-02-23 00:43:16 <bk128> diablo gets 560, that's not a 50% speedup :)
184 2011-02-23 00:43:21 <[Tycho]> Open source isn't really needed. Free downloading would be fine :)
185 2011-02-23 00:43:24 <ArtForz> OC is about 845 avg
186 2011-02-23 00:43:29 <BlueMatt> true
187 2011-02-23 00:43:40 <ArtForz> mem downclocked to 800, stock voltage
188 2011-02-23 00:43:52 <BurtyB> does the slot speed (x1/x4/x16) make any difference to the Mhps?
189 2011-02-23 00:43:54 <[Tycho]> gasteve, on windows ?
190 2011-02-23 00:44:12 <ArtForz> check diablos kernel, notice the #define rotate(x, n) bitalign(...) stuff ?
191 2011-02-23 00:44:12 <TheKid> BurtyB: no
192 2011-02-23 00:44:23 <BlueMatt> yea?
193 2011-02-23 00:44:35 <gasteve> on Ubuntu 10.10
194 2011-02-23 00:44:58 <[Tycho]> Don't know about lunix... People say that it's possible.
195 2011-02-23 00:45:01 <ArtForz> well, that means it's already using native rotate
196 2011-02-23 00:45:08 <BlueMatt> ah
197 2011-02-23 00:45:09 <bk128> ArtForz:  yeah
198 2011-02-23 00:45:25 <ArtForz> without it you'd have to do each rotate with a shr + shl + or
199 2011-02-23 00:45:28 <BurtyB> TheKid thanks, I figured/hoped not :)
200 2011-02-23 00:45:44 <ArtForz> and sha does rotates a whole lot
201 2011-02-23 00:45:47 <BlueMatt> so his miner is almost as optimized as yours?
202 2011-02-23 00:45:49 <Blitzboom> gasteve: can we have a german subforum?
203 2011-02-23 00:45:59 <ArtForz> his miner kernel is based on my OpenCL kernel
204 2011-02-23 00:46:05 <ArtForz> so is m0s current kernel
205 2011-02-23 00:46:12 <BlueMatt> almost as optimized as the one you use?
206 2011-02-23 00:46:22 <ArtForz> yep
207 2011-02-23 00:46:30 <BlueMatt> fair enough
208 2011-02-23 00:46:31 <ArtForz> maybe 1% slower than my CL miner or so
209 2011-02-23 00:46:39 <Blitzboom> uh, i mean gavinandresen
210 2011-02-23 00:46:47 <BlueMatt> well for the several germans here, gnight (it is 2:45)
211 2011-02-23 00:46:59 <ArtForz> problem is, you can't access the opcode needed for doing Ch() in 1 cycle from OpenCL
212 2011-02-23 00:47:03 <Blitzboom> nacht
213 2011-02-23 00:47:12 <ArtForz> n8 ;)
214 2011-02-23 00:47:19 <ArtForz> you need CAL + binary shader hacking for that
215 2011-02-23 00:47:38 <[Tycho]> It's done in PC's ram ?
216 2011-02-23 00:47:50 <ArtForz> what is?
217 2011-02-23 00:47:56 <[Tycho]> Binary patching.
218 2011-02-23 00:47:59 <ArtForz> yep
219 2011-02-23 00:48:08 <gavinandresen> Blitzboom:  ask Sirius about creating sub-forums, I don't know what the criteria/policy is
220 2011-02-23 00:48:17 <Blitzboom> ok
221 2011-02-23 00:48:57 <ArtForz> basically CAL IL compiler outputs a mem buffer containing a ELF binary with a bunc of sections containing IL bytecode and gpu arch specific binary
222 2011-02-23 00:49:19 <ArtForz> the fun part is that opcode isnt usable even from IL
223 2011-02-23 00:49:23 <[Tycho]> Is CAL IL compiler free and available to anyone ?
224 2011-02-23 00:49:25 <ArtForz> yes
225 2011-02-23 00:50:06 <ArtForz> it's part of AMDs Stream/APP/whateveritsnamedtoday SDK
226 2011-02-23 00:50:19 <bk128> lol
227 2011-02-23 00:51:09 <ArtForz> AMD is really good with docs, too
228 2011-02-23 00:51:12 <bk128> so are there any optimizations that can be done to get decent performance on the 69**?
229 2011-02-23 00:51:31 <ArtForz> I already get decent performance on 69xx
230 2011-02-23 00:51:39 <bk128> looking at the evergreen and 6900 ISA docs
231 2011-02-23 00:51:41 <Blitzboom> ArtForz: how many mhash/s?
232 2011-02-23 00:51:54 <bk128> I mean similar performance to the 5970
233 2011-02-23 00:51:57 <ArtForz> exactly as fast as a 5870 stock
234 2011-02-23 00:52:07 <Blitzboom> nice. how did you do that?
235 2011-02-23 00:52:18 <Blitzboom> and what gpu excactly?
236 2011-02-23 00:52:21 <ArtForz> 6970
237 2011-02-23 00:52:23 <ArtForz> didnt really do anything
238 2011-02-23 00:52:25 <Blitzboom> you overclocked?
239 2011-02-23 00:52:27 <[Tycho]> ArtForz, this resulted image should be compiled every time and is not possible to just save it and use when needed ?
240 2011-02-23 00:52:47 <Blitzboom> ah well, the 6970 is more expensive
241 2011-02-23 00:52:49 <ArtForz> iirc it's not compatible between driver versions
242 2011-02-23 00:52:53 <ArtForz> yes
243 2011-02-23 00:53:00 <ArtForz> for mining 6xxx doesnt make much sense
244 2011-02-23 00:53:16 <ArtForz> though it kicks ass for 3D performance
245 2011-02-23 00:53:29 <Blitzboom> i think ill need to join a pool after the next difficulty kicks in
246 2011-02-23 00:53:36 <Blitzboom> even with my 5870
247 2011-02-23 00:53:53 <[Tycho]> But when it's the save driver, image can be loaded in convenient way or it will be some kind of ram patching anyway ?
248 2011-02-23 00:54:12 <[Tycho]> *same
249 2011-02-23 00:54:32 <ArtForz> if you have a binary for the proper driver + GPU combo, you can just load it
250 2011-02-23 00:55:45 <ArtForz> though the in-mem patching isnt too hard
251 2011-02-23 00:56:49 <ArtForz> my whole ELf parser + patcher is 100 lines of C
252 2011-02-23 00:57:08 <[Tycho]> It's because you already know what to do :)
253 2011-02-23 00:57:24 <quellhorst> ArtForz: what do you use for mining?
254 2011-02-23 00:58:01 <ArtForz> 6* 5770, 8* 5870, 28* 5970, 2* 6870, 2*6970, + currently 6.4GHps of ASICs
255 2011-02-23 00:58:10 <jgarzik> I think ArtForz uses perl scripts for mining, maybe a little JavaScript too
256 2011-02-23 00:58:43 <[Tycho]> Should try VisualBasic, indeed.
257 2011-02-23 00:58:52 <quellhorst> ArtForz: whats ASIC?
258 2011-02-23 00:59:05 <ArtForz> Application Specific Integrated Circuit
259 2011-02-23 00:59:12 <[Tycho]> quellhorst, semi-custom chips.
260 2011-02-23 00:59:15 <ArtForz> yep
261 2011-02-23 00:59:20 <quellhorst> where do those come from?
262 2011-02-23 00:59:44 <[Tycho]> Made to order.
263 2011-02-23 00:59:48 <quellhorst> wow
264 2011-02-23 00:59:51 <ArtForz> yup
265 2011-02-23 01:00:08 <ArtForz> it's "only" metal-defined structured ASIC
266 2011-02-23 01:00:24 <quellhorst> what did you do before this?
267 2011-02-23 01:00:57 <ArtForz> but imo the current market for mining is simply way too small to make a full custom chip economical
268 2011-02-23 01:01:10 <xelister> how to check which ver os Amd SDK I have?
269 2011-02-23 01:01:12 <xelister> of
270 2011-02-23 01:01:47 <quellhorst> ArtForz: are your ASICs the most cost effective?
271 2011-02-23 01:02:03 <ArtForz> nope
272 2011-02-23 01:02:04 <[Tycho]> ArtForz, may be you'll feel sorry about not makinh fill run after 20 years :)
273 2011-02-23 01:02:19 <[Tycho]> *full
274 2011-02-23 01:02:32 <da2ce7> artforz, what price dose bitcoin need to be for a full custom chip to become proffitable?
275 2011-02-23 01:02:38 <ArtForz> unless $/Mh comes WAY down, GPUs will still win
276 2011-02-23 01:02:43 <luke-jr> ArtForz: not even if you only count power?
277 2011-02-23 01:03:11 <ArtForz> well, only for power ignoring upfront HW cost, ASICs easily win
278 2011-02-23 01:03:22 <[Tycho]> Some months ago one friend told me about bitcoins. If I only knew that this will be serious and started mining, i would be rich by today :)
279 2011-02-23 01:03:37 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: nah, difficulty would have gone up faster :p
280 2011-02-23 01:03:58 <ArtForz> thing is, you can resell GPUs, so hardware cost is actually a lot lower than sticker price
281 2011-02-23 01:04:01 <[Tycho]> It wouldn't just because of me.
282 2011-02-23 01:04:06 <bk128> ArtForz: so the way the 6900s are organized, each dpp can do fp stuff OR bitwise operations?
283 2011-02-23 01:04:16 <ArtForz> dpp ?
284 2011-02-23 01:04:46 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: it would if you made anything significant
285 2011-02-23 01:04:59 <bk128> reading the Evergreen ISA doc on the ati developer website.  says "data parallel processor dpp array"
286 2011-02-23 01:05:04 <luke-jr> bk128: 6970 < 5970
287 2011-02-23 01:05:05 <ArtForz> ahhh, that
288 2011-02-23 01:05:13 <ArtForz> iirc dpp = SIMD of VLIWs
289 2011-02-23 01:05:25 <bk128> luke-jr: I know :)
290 2011-02-23 01:05:52 <ArtForz> each VLIW can do 3 simple SP + 1 complex SP or 1 DP operation per clock
291 2011-02-23 01:06:10 <comboy> quick maybe stupid question: is my understanding correct that if mining locally if I do getwork say every 20seconds, and new block is on avg ever 600secs, I have 20/600.0 = 3% chance that it's not gonna be accepted?
292 2011-02-23 01:06:15 <ArtForz> most integer ops count as simple SP
293 2011-02-23 01:06:23 <bk128> including rotate?
294 2011-02-23 01:06:27 <ArtForz> yes
295 2011-02-23 01:06:31 <bk128> how is addition currently done?
296 2011-02-23 01:06:50 <ArtForz> err, using 32-bit integer adds
297 2011-02-23 01:06:54 <bk128> 1 clock cycle?
298 2011-02-23 01:06:57 <ArtForz> yep
299 2011-02-23 01:07:38 <ArtForz> btw, thats kinda impressive when you think about it, that means a 6970 has 1536 rotate capable barrel shifters...
300 2011-02-23 01:07:48 <bk128> yeah
301 2011-02-23 01:08:38 <ArtForz> but then integer ALUs have always been pretty small compared to floating point units
302 2011-02-23 01:09:10 <bk128> so why can't the 6900 do as many integer ops?
303 2011-02-23 01:09:17 <ArtForz> less units
304 2011-02-23 01:09:31 <ArtForz> 5xxx has a slightly different setup
305 2011-02-23 01:09:56 <ArtForz> for 5xxx each VLIW can do 4 simple SP + 1 complex SP or 1 DP operation per clock, and again integer stuff counts like simple SP
306 2011-02-23 01:10:18 <bk128> ohh
307 2011-02-23 01:10:58 <ArtForz> so a 6970 has 1536 execution units = 384 VLIWs
308 2011-02-23 01:11:09 <ArtForz> 16 VLIWs form one SIMD
309 2011-02-23 01:11:49 <ArtForz> anyways
310 2011-02-23 01:12:14 <ArtForz> simple fact is, 5870 = 1600 units @ 850MHz, 6970 = 1536 units @ 880MHz
311 2011-02-23 01:12:26 <[Tycho]> So all 16 WLIWs should contain same operation ?
312 2011-02-23 01:12:34 <ArtForz> yep
313 2011-02-23 01:12:46 <ArtForz> if they dont, units sit around idle
314 2011-02-23 01:12:59 <ArtForz> thats why localworksize should be a multiple of 64
315 2011-02-23 01:13:16 <[Tycho]> Why it's called VLIW then if it's only data, not the instruction itself ?
316 2011-02-23 01:13:29 <bk128> what does CU's mean?
317 2011-02-23 01:13:32 <ArtForz> because the VLIWs actually are VLIW
318 2011-02-23 01:14:05 <[Tycho]> So they CAN contain different instructions, but this makes them slow ?
319 2011-02-23 01:14:08 <ArtForz> the arch is really a bit hard to explain
320 2011-02-23 01:14:29 <bk128> yeah.  I'm trying to read the docs
321 2011-02-23 01:14:31 <ArtForz> one SIMD contains 16 VLIW units
322 2011-02-23 01:14:46 <ArtForz> all VLIWs in a SIMD need to execute the same code
323 2011-02-23 01:15:00 <bk128> one instruction operates on 16 VLIWs
324 2011-02-23 01:15:04 <ArtForz> yes
325 2011-02-23 01:15:06 <[Tycho]> I tried to learn about EPIC VLIW on CPU, but this looks a bit different :)
326 2011-02-23 01:15:11 <bk128> each VLIW is 64 bits?
327 2011-02-23 01:15:15 <bk128> wait, no
328 2011-02-23 01:15:18 <ArtForz> but one VLIW instruction actually contains 4 or 5 opcodes
329 2011-02-23 01:15:38 <ArtForz> one for each unit in a VLIW
330 2011-02-23 01:15:49 <jgarzik> ia64 is fun!
331 2011-02-23 01:16:09 <ArtForz> for 5xxx, units in a VLIW are named x,y,z,w and t
332 2011-02-23 01:16:15 <[Tycho]> ia64 is, but it's not so parallel :)
333 2011-02-23 01:16:19 <bk128> so are VLIWs longer in the 5900 than the 6900?
334 2011-02-23 01:16:23 <ArtForz> yes
335 2011-02-23 01:16:27 <bk128> by 32 bits
336 2011-02-23 01:16:31 <bk128> + opcode
337 2011-02-23 01:16:56 <ArtForz> opcodes are 64 bits for each unit + up to 128 bits of imemdiate constants
338 2011-02-23 01:17:40 <ArtForz> *immediate
339 2011-02-23 01:17:55 <[Tycho]> What is that SIMD then ? "SIMD" means "Single instruction...", but it's not single there.
340 2011-02-23 01:17:58 <ArtForz> yes
341 2011-02-23 01:18:04 <ArtForz> okay, lemme explain
342 2011-02-23 01:18:12 <ArtForz> you have x,y,z,w,t units in a VLIW
343 2011-02-23 01:18:27 <bk128> unsigned ints
344 2011-02-23 01:18:29 <ArtForz> the VLIW opcode contains a sperate instuction for each unit (well, it's VLIW after all...)
345 2011-02-23 01:18:38 <ArtForz> units, not uints
346 2011-02-23 01:18:44 <bk128> oh :)
347 2011-02-23 01:18:51 <ArtForz> execution units, ALUs, whatever you wanna call em
348 2011-02-23 01:18:54 <bk128> can be floats or dp floats
349 2011-02-23 01:19:08 <[Tycho]> But only one instruction decoder per 16 of them ?
350 2011-02-23 01:19:20 <ArtForz> yes
351 2011-02-23 01:19:29 <[Tycho]> Oh, got it now.
352 2011-02-23 01:19:46 <[Tycho]> Well, mostly :)
353 2011-02-23 01:20:04 <ArtForz> it gets even funner
354 2011-02-23 01:20:22 <ArtForz> the data paths to/from the VLIWs are 128 bits wide
355 2011-02-23 01:20:35 <ArtForz> but... you have *5* 32 bit units on 58xx
356 2011-02-23 01:21:05 <ArtForz> thats why getting good instruction packing is so hard for 5xxx
357 2011-02-23 01:21:13 <bk128> some of the data has to be immediate?
358 2011-02-23 01:21:16 <ArtForz> yep
359 2011-02-23 01:21:38 <ArtForz> or you have to arrange stuff so 2 operations share inputs
360 2011-02-23 01:21:48 <[Tycho]> And branching (if any) goes only for entire SIMD ?
361 2011-02-23 01:21:53 <ArtForz> yes
362 2011-02-23 01:22:54 <da2ce7> ;;bc,stats 1200000
363 2011-02-23 01:22:56 <gribble> Current Blocks: 109816 | Current Difficulty: 36459.88692508 | Next Difficulty At Block: 110879 | Next Difficulty In: 1063 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 10 hours, 48 minutes, and 29 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 49460.49127655
364 2011-02-23 01:23:06 <ArtForz> oh, and while you have 1-cycle throughput, you actually have 4-cycle latency
365 2011-02-23 01:23:11 <da2ce7> ;;bc,calc 1200000, 50000
366 2011-02-23 01:23:11 <gribble> Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
367 2011-02-23 01:23:18 <da2ce7> ;;bc,calcd 1200000, 50000
368 2011-02-23 01:23:19 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
369 2011-02-23 01:23:23 <ArtForz> thats why you need 64 "threads" aka localworksize for the 16 units in a SIMD
370 2011-02-23 01:23:26 <bk128> ;;bc,calcd 1200000 50000
371 2011-02-23 01:23:27 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1200000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 50000, is 2 days, 1 hour, 42 minutes, and 36 seconds
372 2011-02-23 01:23:40 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 950000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 50000, is 2 days, 14 hours, 47 minutes, and 30 seconds
373 2011-02-23 01:23:40 <[Tycho]> ;;bc,calcd 950000 50000
374 2011-02-23 01:23:42 <bk128> ;;bc,calcd 1000000 50000
375 2011-02-23 01:23:42 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1000000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 50000, is 2 days, 11 hours, 39 minutes, and 8 seconds
376 2011-02-23 01:23:45 <[Tycho]> ;;bc,calcd 850000 50000
377 2011-02-23 01:23:46 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 850000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 50000, is 2 days, 22 hours, 10 minutes, and 45 seconds
378 2011-02-23 01:24:12 <Blitzboom> ;;bc,calcd 320000 50000
379 2011-02-23 01:24:13 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 320000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 50000, is 1 week, 0 days, 18 hours, 24 minutes, and 48 seconds
380 2011-02-23 01:24:19 <Blitzboom> hmm
381 2011-02-23 01:24:34 <Blitzboom> guess ill go pooled then &
382 2011-02-23 01:24:36 <ArtForz> really takes a while to wrap your head around ATIs shader arch
383 2011-02-23 01:24:39 <[Tycho]> ArtForz, i tried to change worksize of a miner, but didn't noticed any significant difference.
384 2011-02-23 01:24:59 <ArtForz> well, because beyond 64 it doesnt really help much
385 2011-02-23 01:25:22 <ArtForz> worksizes > 64 help if you have to mask waits for RAM
386 2011-02-23 01:25:46 <ArtForz> the inner loop of the kernel executes in registers only
387 2011-02-23 01:25:54 <[Tycho]> People recommends lowering w down to 64
388 2011-02-23 01:25:58 <ArtForz> yep
389 2011-02-23 01:26:08 <ArtForz> because total # of registers is limited
390 2011-02-23 01:26:26 <ArtForz> and beyond 128 localworksize you get register starved for sha256
391 2011-02-23 01:27:51 <ArtForz> you have something like 16384 32-bit registers per SIMD
392 2011-02-23 01:28:07 <ArtForz> which get split up among localworksize "threads"
393 2011-02-23 01:29:04 <[Tycho]> ArtForz, thanks for explaining all this stuff :)
394 2011-02-23 01:29:07 <ArtForz> it's described pretty well in the archi docs
395 2011-02-23 01:29:42 <ArtForz> what really surprised me, the ELF format used for shader binaries is fully documented
396 2011-02-23 01:32:00 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 100000000000
397 2011-02-23 01:32:01 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 100000000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 1 second
398 2011-02-23 01:32:06 <luke-jr> :o
399 2011-02-23 01:33:37 <comboy> that would be cool
400 2011-02-23 01:51:51 <luke-jr> comboy: it wouldn't last, and would kill bitcoin
401 2011-02-23 01:53:00 <comboy> luke, I'm your father
402 2011-02-23 01:53:57 <docl> comboy: your name's luke too? we should start a club...
403 2011-02-23 01:59:11 <luke-jr> comboy: USE THE SOURCE, LUKE
404 2011-02-23 02:02:45 <JFK911> I did an experiment.  I'm shutting the miner off, for the ;;bc,calc average duration for my hash rate, after i get a block.
405 2011-02-23 02:02:54 <JFK911> Turns out I get a new block shortly after I bring it back up.
406 2011-02-23 02:03:15 <JFK911> That's been happening reliably for four iterations.  I'm saving heaps of electricity.
407 2011-02-23 02:05:24 <Kiba> JFK911: hey. what ya talking about?
408 2011-02-23 02:06:10 <Kiba> it seem that the price of bitcoin is recovering
409 2011-02-23 02:10:19 <citiz3n> yeah, what is JFK911 talking about?
410 2011-02-23 02:10:41 <ArtForz> superstition
411 2011-02-23 02:11:23 <citiz3n> doesn't seem like a sound strategy
412 2011-02-23 02:11:39 <ArtForz> of course it isnt
413 2011-02-23 02:12:17 <ArtForz> random events + gamblers fallacy + confirmation bias = fun ;)
414 2011-02-23 02:14:26 <[Tycho]> You can also save a lot of money by not buying lottery tickets.
415 2011-02-23 02:16:01 <Blitzboom> what do you guys think? does bitcoin have the potential to replace all kinds of money?
416 2011-02-23 02:16:13 <Blitzboom> or will it rather be an internet currency?
417 2011-02-23 02:16:25 <[Tycho]> It's hard to believe.
418 2011-02-23 02:16:57 <Blitzboom> we could make it happen
419 2011-02-23 02:17:03 <[Tycho]> I even doubt that BTC will cost $10 a piece.
420 2011-02-23 02:17:23 <jgarzik> replace all kinds of money?  absolutely not.
421 2011-02-23 02:17:30 <[Tycho]> Being a pessimist makes my life happier.
422 2011-02-23 02:17:35 <brunner> what exchangers accept wires to/from Sweden?
423 2011-02-23 02:17:54 <echelon> brunner, #bitcoin-otc
424 2011-02-23 02:18:00 <brunner> sorry
425 2011-02-23 02:18:12 <echelon> np :)
426 2011-02-23 02:18:36 <jgarzik> brunner: change krona for euro.  euro can be used at mtgox.com or bitcoin-central.net
427 2011-02-23 02:18:37 <docl> it won't replace debt-based currency
428 2011-02-23 02:18:47 <JFK911> It could be superstition, but more likely is i'm in tune to the quantum state of the bitcoin network.
429 2011-02-23 02:18:57 <Blitzboom> what will it replace then?
430 2011-02-23 02:19:10 <Blitzboom> gold? lol
431 2011-02-23 02:19:26 <docl> JFK911: you may be interested in quantum suicide
432 2011-02-23 02:19:44 <echelon> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Tor ..what's the point of this entry?
433 2011-02-23 02:19:56 <brunner> Blitzboom: yes, it has that potential, but we'll see if it every happens
434 2011-02-23 02:19:57 <docl> if being unlucky = being dead, you pretty much have to be lucky.
435 2011-02-23 02:20:01 <ArtForz> I can see it displacing other online currencies
436 2011-02-23 02:20:11 <echelon> it has instructions for configuring mirc with tor
437 2011-02-23 02:20:28 <JFK911> docl: There can't be quantum suicide.  That would disrupt all balance and destroy the universe.  Stop being so silly.
438 2011-02-23 02:20:49 <echelon> and the instructions for adding hidden service nodes is wrong
439 2011-02-23 02:22:03 <docl> JFK911: you can improve your bitcoin generation rate by triggering immediate death if you fail to find a block in a small number of tries. in all universes where you survive, you'll be rich!
440 2011-02-23 02:23:56 <Kiba> docl: I don't think that work
441 2011-02-23 02:24:30 <[Tycho]> Kiba, why not ?
442 2011-02-23 02:24:34 <Kiba> I wonder if anybody will ever be able to figure out who satoshi is
443 2011-02-23 02:24:46 <Kiba> [Tycho]: because you might be dead in this universe
444 2011-02-23 02:25:12 <[Tycho]> May be his character was already disincarnated.
445 2011-02-23 02:25:40 <[Tycho]> Kiba, you don't understand how this works :)
446 2011-02-23 02:26:49 <xelister> anyone knows JS and has 5 minutes and wants 1 BTC ?  (i'm off too bed)    ->  then answer this triviall JS question  "<toad_> can anyone give me javascript to hide a div if the page is not being accessed over SSL?"  on channel #freenet  and poke me tommorow for your loot 1 btc =)
447 2011-02-23 02:26:59 <xelister> assuming toad doesnt get this help elsewhere ifrst
448 2011-02-23 02:27:40 <echelon> xelister, you just regex the url
449 2011-02-23 02:27:49 <xelister> echelon: msg  toad Im sleeping =)
450 2011-02-23 02:27:56 <echelon> oh kk
451 2011-02-23 02:28:00 <luke-jr> Blitzboom: we need to give people a reason to use it instead of XYZ
452 2011-02-23 02:28:20 <Blitzboom> we need more businesses to adapt it &
453 2011-02-23 02:28:26 <luke-jr> Blitzboom: why would they?
454 2011-02-23 02:28:40 <Blitzboom> why would people?
455 2011-02-23 02:28:52 <luke-jr> I adopt it so I can use the Tonal system for currency.
456 2011-02-23 02:29:02 <luke-jr> others have other reasons
457 2011-02-23 02:29:04 <Blitzboom> checken-egg-dilemma
458 2011-02-23 02:31:09 <Kiba> docl: is there alway a universe in which I am alive?
459 2011-02-23 02:32:25 <[Tycho]> Yes.
460 2011-02-23 02:32:38 <[Tycho]> But usually it's not this one.
461 2011-02-23 02:33:17 <tcatm> ;;bc,blocks
462 2011-02-23 02:33:18 <gribble> 109823
463 2011-02-23 02:33:36 <[Tycho]> (well, at least if you believe in strange quantum mechanics :)
464 2011-02-23 02:34:29 <[Tycho]> Some things that are indeed strange were proved by experiments.
465 2011-02-23 02:57:06 <phantomcircuit> lol @ current exchane rates there is nearly 5 million USD in bTC
466 2011-02-23 02:57:08 <phantomcircuit> BTC*
467 2011-02-23 02:57:13 <phantomcircuit> exchange*
468 2011-02-23 02:57:14 <kupo> phantomcircuit: nice
469 2011-02-23 02:57:15 <phantomcircuit> wow fail
470 2011-02-23 03:10:04 <luke-jr> Kiba: there is always a possibility you are alive ;)
471 2011-02-23 03:14:36 <Kiba> luke-jr: almost died three times
472 2011-02-23 03:17:14 <luke-jr> Kiba: you exist in many possible worlds, and also the real world :P
473 2011-02-23 03:26:38 <afed_> SLUSH
474 2011-02-23 03:33:03 <jgarzik> POWDER
475 2011-02-23 03:35:05 <Kiba> jgarzik: how's pastecoin?
476 2011-02-23 03:35:36 <jgarzik> Kiba: base site was delivered today.. yay!  :)  Now I can move forward.
477 2011-02-23 03:55:32 <bk128> ;;bc,blocks
478 2011-02-23 03:55:33 <gribble> 109834
479 2011-02-23 04:52:25 <necrodearia> Has there been any effort to establish bitcoin to be included in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_4217 ?
480 2011-02-23 04:53:41 <necrodearia> http://www.iso.org/iso/home.html
481 2011-02-23 04:54:03 <necrodearia> Contact them and suggest to add support for bitcoin? http://central@iso.org/
482 2011-02-23 04:54:08 <necrodearia> durr
483 2011-02-23 04:54:27 <Blitzboom> do it
484 2011-02-23 04:54:44 <necrodearia> Apparently ISO fails at making an email link
485 2011-02-23 04:54:55 <necrodearia> central@iso.org
486 2011-02-23 04:55:24 <afed_> lol do they have published criteria?
487 2011-02-23 04:55:45 <afed_> if they do, bitcoin won't meet it
488 2011-02-23 04:55:52 <afed_> if they don't, bitcoin DEFINITELY won't meet it
489 2011-02-23 04:56:16 <afed_> just trade, the marketplace doesn't give a FUCK if there is a currency code
490 2011-02-23 04:57:21 <necrodearia> Someone should add Bitcoin to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_circulating_currencies
491 2011-02-23 04:57:36 <necrodearia> And link the bitcoin wikipedia article
492 2011-02-23 04:57:56 <necrodearia> Actually, I won't
493 2011-02-23 04:58:01 <necrodearia> I'll let someone else add it.
494 2011-02-23 04:58:33 <necrodearia> territory could be established as "International"
495 2011-02-23 04:59:22 <necrodearia> http://www.currency-iso.org/iso_index/iso_tables/iso_tables_a1.htm
496 2011-02-23 05:00:18 <JFK911> universal currency
497 2011-02-23 05:01:34 <bk128> ;;bc,blocks
498 2011-02-23 05:02:26 <gribble> 109841
499 2011-02-23 05:04:33 <necrodearia> http://www.iso.org/iso/support/faqs/faqs_standards.htm Technology moves on - what about ISO standards?
500 2011-02-23 05:08:36 <necrodearia> wow, http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=52600 from 2008 is free
501 2011-02-23 05:08:46 <necrodearia> but http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=46121 from last month is not
502 2011-02-23 05:09:04 <necrodearia> 27th edition
503 2011-02-23 05:09:11 <necrodearia> 7th edition
504 2011-02-23 05:09:52 <necrodearia> http://www.iso.org/iso/standards_development/maintenance_agencies.htm#4217
505 2011-02-23 05:10:07 <necrodearia> contact @ office@currency-iso.org
506 2011-02-23 05:11:49 <necrodearia> Otherwise if someone lives in Switzerland or can call  +41 58 399 4255 then perhaps they can be contacted locally or by phone
507 2011-02-23 05:12:42 <necrodearia> There is no country or governmental entity to support or back a currency.  e.g. no government agency to contact ISO non-governmental organization to influence or convince them to add the currency to their standards.
508 2011-02-23 05:12:53 <necrodearia> There is only us, individuals that are participative in using and accepting Bitcoin.
509 2011-02-23 05:13:39 <necrodearia> So, I suggest or recommend many of us collectively contact the ISO and express to them to add it to their standards and also spread the word to others to do the same until they accept it?
510 2011-02-23 05:18:09 <necrodearia> Maybe if ISO accepts payment in Bitcoins for buying their products or supporting them with donations, THEn they will add it to their standards? ^_^
511 2011-02-23 05:36:49 <bitcoinballin> hello, anyone on right now?
512 2011-02-23 05:38:47 <nanotube> bitcoinballin: nope
513 2011-02-23 05:38:49 <nanotube> :)
514 2011-02-23 05:39:00 <bitcoinballin> lol didnt think so
515 2011-02-23 05:39:22 <ElectRo`> ;;bc,calcd 21000
516 2011-02-23 05:39:41 <gribble> (bc,calcd <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo The average time to generate a block at $1 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of $2, is [time elapsed [math calc 1/((2**224-1)/$2*$1*1000/2**256)]]".
517 2011-02-23 05:39:44 <ElectRo`> ;;bc,calcd 21000 36000
518 2011-02-23 05:40:01 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 21000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 36000, is 12 weeks, 1 day, 5 hours, 13 minutes, and 21 seconds
519 2011-02-23 05:41:06 <bitcoinballin> soo... I'm extremely new to this whole BC thing. I just discovered TOR like 48 hours ago and haven't left my computer since! Is BC really a legit currency?
520 2011-02-23 05:44:15 <nanotube> bitcoinballin: as legit as anything else.
521 2011-02-23 05:44:31 <nanotube> it's just a digital token, that people choose to use as a medium of exchange
522 2011-02-23 05:45:58 <bitcoinballin> I've heard that it can't be falsified, double-spent, etc. But what if you can break the encryption of bitcoins? couldnt you ruin the economic system?
523 2011-02-23 05:46:13 <bitcoinballin> of BC that is?
524 2011-02-23 05:46:50 <bitcoinballin> and arent we using some sort of device that "sells" your CPU cycles for bitcoins?
525 2011-02-23 05:46:56 <nanotube> bitcoinballin: yes... and you could also break a bunch of other stuff if you can break sha256 and ecdsa.
526 2011-02-23 05:48:00 <bitcoinballin> so has anyone done it? ive seen cluster systems that are just mind-blowing and considering that nerds are the only people that use it anyway isn't it possible if not probable that this could happen?
527 2011-02-23 05:48:02 <nanotube> if device == software, then yes...
528 2011-02-23 05:49:16 <Mango-chan> guys
529 2011-02-23 05:49:18 <Mango-chan> should i get a x120e?
530 2011-02-23 05:51:43 <bitcoinballin> or whats to prevent some sort of cabal that is in control of, or takes conrol of the nodes that save transaction history and modify the logs to erase transaction history? Don't get me wrong, I don't want to sound whiney... I love the concept of an open-source currency, but I want more assurance that its better than real currency...
531 2011-02-23 05:53:27 <bitcoinballin> or i should say, not just the same thing as real currency. and what are the cpu cycles used for?
532 2011-02-23 05:53:37 <nanotube> ;;bc,wiki how bitcoin works
533 2011-02-23 05:53:38 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/How_bitcoin_works | Jan 15, 2011 ... This page explains the basic framework of how Bitcoin works. Ideally, it'll be accessible to the "literate layman". ...
534 2011-02-23 05:53:51 <nanotube> bitcoinballin: --^ start from there... click around read some more.
535 2011-02-23 06:12:12 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,calc 21001
536 2011-02-23 06:12:19 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 21001 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 12 weeks, 2 days, 7 hours, 15 minutes, and 3 seconds
537 2011-02-23 06:26:17 <dissipate> hello
538 2011-02-23 06:26:35 <soultcer> G'day
539 2011-02-23 06:35:55 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,calc 2100
540 2011-02-23 06:36:04 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 2100 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 2 years, 19 weeks, 0 days, 1 hour, 29 minutes, and 41 seconds
541 2011-02-23 06:37:14 <phantomcircuit> 0.07USD/kWh*10 Watts*(2 years, 19 weeks, 0 days, 1 hour, 29 minutes, and 41 seconds) ~= 14 USD
542 2011-02-23 06:37:22 <jlk102935908a> ;;bc,calc 36000
543 2011-02-23 06:37:23 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 36000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 7 weeks, 1 day, 8 hours, 17 minutes, and 13 seconds
544 2011-02-23 06:43:29 <hwolf> ;;bc,calc 1200000
545 2011-02-23 06:43:48 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1200000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 1 day, 12 hours, 14 minutes, and 55 seconds
546 2011-02-23 07:36:14 <mekel> anyone up?
547 2011-02-23 07:38:11 <mekel> when i try to run poclbm.exe i get an error saying i have the program failed to run because it is configured improparly.. any ideas?
548 2011-02-23 07:44:12 <FellowTraveler1> hi all.
549 2011-02-23 07:54:46 <phantomcircuit> mekel, yes the program is configured improperly
550 2011-02-23 07:55:00 <mekel> where did i mess up do you think
551 2011-02-23 08:05:38 <mekel> any one know what can cause the error message The application has failed to start because the application configuration is incorrect. Reinstalling may fix the problem. Any ideas??
552 2011-02-23 08:05:56 <mekel> for poclbm.exe
553 2011-02-23 08:10:04 <phantomcircuit> mekel, oh you're missing the opencl run times
554 2011-02-23 08:11:24 <mekel> hmm from the sdk?
555 2011-02-23 08:11:57 <mekel> im runnin the amd 6950 tried downloadin 2.3 sdk
556 2011-02-23 08:20:52 <Diablo-D3> thats the current network speed?
557 2011-02-23 08:28:21 <mekel> just reinstalled my open cl drivers n stuff for the 6950 and im still getting app has failed to start because app configuration is incorrect. reinstalling may fix this problem
558 2011-02-23 08:28:24 <mekel> help :'(
559 2011-02-23 08:28:56 <mekel> poclbm.exe is givin the error
560 2011-02-23 08:29:49 <Diablo-D3> mekel: what did you install?
561 2011-02-23 08:30:02 <Diablo-D3> because you should be installing catalyst 11.2 + opencl runtime in the installer
562 2011-02-23 08:30:03 <mekel> http://sites.amd.com/us/game/downloads/Pages/radeon_xp-32.aspx
563 2011-02-23 08:30:17 <Diablo-D3> and this applies only to you
564 2011-02-23 08:30:23 <Diablo-D3> only 6xxx users
565 2011-02-23 08:30:29 <mekel> hm
566 2011-02-23 08:30:44 <Diablo-D3> everyone else needs catalyst 10.11 without opencl runtime, and then install sdk 2.1 on top of that
567 2011-02-23 08:30:44 <mekel> thank u i will try
568 2011-02-23 08:30:52 <sipa> ;;seen cosurgi
569 2011-02-23 08:30:58 <mekel> 2.3 is no good?
570 2011-02-23 08:31:06 <Diablo-D3> 2.3 is slower
571 2011-02-23 08:31:08 <gribble> cosurgi was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 1 day, 8 hours, 42 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <cosurgi> goodnight.
572 2011-02-23 08:31:12 <Diablo-D3> but 2.1 doesnt suport 6xxx
573 2011-02-23 08:32:12 <mekel> but 2.1 works on top of catal 11.2+open cl?
574 2011-02-23 08:32:21 <Diablo-D3> no
575 2011-02-23 08:32:27 <Diablo-D3> you cant use 2.1.
576 2011-02-23 08:32:51 <mekel> o ok
577 2011-02-23 08:32:56 <Diablo-D3> everyone else can
578 2011-02-23 08:33:00 <mekel> lawl
579 2011-02-23 08:33:01 <Diablo-D3> its _only_ 6xxx users that cant
580 2011-02-23 08:33:18 <Diablo-D3> 5xxx users do 10.11 w/o opencl, and then install 2.1
581 2011-02-23 08:33:29 <Diablo-D3> 6xxx users do 11.2 /w opencl
582 2011-02-23 08:33:48 <Syke> I hate my 6950. I OCd from 850 to 900 and got absolutely no improvement in hashrate.
583 2011-02-23 08:33:59 <Diablo-D3> Syke: you wont
584 2011-02-23 08:34:09 <Diablo-D3> Syke: 69xx have EXTREMELY good TDP management
585 2011-02-23 08:34:10 <sipa> it should give you some 5%
586 2011-02-23 08:34:29 <Diablo-D3> Syke: so you gotta play with the PowerTune slider or whatever it is
587 2011-02-23 08:34:33 <mekel> is there an 11.2 w/ opencl for xp 32bit
588 2011-02-23 08:34:35 <mekel> >_<
589 2011-02-23 08:34:40 <Diablo-D3> mekel: yes
590 2011-02-23 08:34:45 <mekel> k
591 2011-02-23 08:34:52 <Diablo-D3> mekel: I dont think AMD offers 11.2 on windows without it already in the installer
592 2011-02-23 08:35:03 <Diablo-D3> I think its just an option now
593 2011-02-23 08:35:06 <Diablo-D3> but I dont use windows
594 2011-02-23 08:35:16 <mekel> qh
595 2011-02-23 08:35:18 <mekel> ah*
596 2011-02-23 08:37:46 <nevezen> has gpu mining gotten to the point where it's no longer profitable yet?
597 2011-02-23 08:38:18 <Syke> nah
598 2011-02-23 08:38:56 <mekel> its gotten more profitable imo
599 2011-02-23 08:39:00 <mekel> bitcoin prices hav gone up
600 2011-02-23 08:39:05 <mekel> last i chekd
601 2011-02-23 08:39:17 <sipa> ;;bc,gen 1260000
602 2011-02-23 08:39:19 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1260000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 34.7599476143 BTC per day and 1.4483311506 BTC per hour.
603 2011-02-23 08:39:20 <nevezen> I mean coin generation/day..
604 2011-02-23 08:39:37 <sipa> coin generation/day is obviously falling
605 2011-02-23 08:39:50 <sipa> but that isn't necessarily a problem, if the value of btc's goes up
606 2011-02-23 08:39:57 <mekel> indeed
607 2011-02-23 08:40:26 <nevezen> itms gone back down to <1 usd though
608 2011-02-23 08:41:34 <nevezen> ;;bc,gen 22000
609 2011-02-23 08:41:35 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 22000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 0.60691972025 BTC per day and 0.0252883216771 BTC per hour.
610 2011-02-23 08:41:50 <nevezen> ouchie
611 2011-02-23 08:42:37 <nevezen> with or without a pool, i don't think this is going to help..
612 2011-02-23 08:42:38 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,gen 2100
613 2011-02-23 08:42:39 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 2100 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 0.0579332460239 BTC per day and 0.00241388525099 BTC per hour.
614 2011-02-23 08:42:42 <phantomcircuit> lol
615 2011-02-23 08:42:51 <phantomcircuit> my sad Quadros NVS 140M
616 2011-02-23 08:43:30 <nevezen> my sad 8800GT ;)
617 2011-02-23 08:44:00 <mekel> iv been runnin on my 9800m gts on my lappy and was lik F this wehn i saw how much the 6850 was pushin
618 2011-02-23 08:44:09 <mekel> so i bought a 6950
619 2011-02-23 08:44:16 <mekel> they can b modded into 80's cant they?
620 2011-02-23 08:44:41 <nevezen> don't know, don't really care :)
621 2011-02-23 08:44:44 <phantomcircuit> yeah not worth it
622 2011-02-23 08:44:48 <mekel> haha
623 2011-02-23 08:45:06 <phantomcircuit> my 140M will consume 0.24 USD in electricity daily
624 2011-02-23 08:45:20 <mekel> i hav paid electricity
625 2011-02-23 08:45:22 <mekel> not in my thoughts
626 2011-02-23 08:45:27 <nevezen> dont think a lone 6950 would help much either
627 2011-02-23 08:47:05 <nevezen> I think if you want to be at least profitable on your own, you'd invest in multiple 6950's than just one..
628 2011-02-23 08:50:45 <mekel> it didnt work :(
629 2011-02-23 08:50:47 <mekel> 11.2
630 2011-02-23 08:50:54 <mekel> still gettn the same error
631 2011-02-23 08:55:30 <Diablo-D3> then your shits broke somewhere
632 2011-02-23 08:55:32 <Diablo-D3> try my miner
633 2011-02-23 08:56:29 <molecular> ;;bc,calcd 670000
634 2011-02-23 08:56:30 <gribble> (bc,calcd <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo The average time to generate a block at $1 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of $2, is [time elapsed [math calc 1/((2**224-1)/$2*$1*1000/2**256)]]".
635 2011-02-23 08:56:40 <molecular> ;;bc,calc 670000
636 2011-02-23 08:56:41 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 670000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 2 days, 16 hours, 55 minutes, and 22 seconds
637 2011-02-23 08:56:41 <hwolf> how many wats does a generic dual 5970 rig use?
638 2011-02-23 08:56:51 <dirtyfilthy> over9000
639 2011-02-23 08:57:21 <hwolf> i mean watts
640 2011-02-23 08:57:24 <molecular> hwolf: would guess around 750W at plug
641 2011-02-23 08:57:32 <hwolf> k
642 2011-02-23 08:57:36 <molecular> my singles 5970 uses 380W oced
643 2011-02-23 08:57:38 <sipa> our dual 5970 uses some 620W i think
644 2011-02-23 08:57:59 <molecular> sipa, really?
645 2011-02-23 08:58:13 <Diablo-D3> no
646 2011-02-23 08:58:20 <Diablo-D3> oh, OCed?
647 2011-02-23 08:58:22 <Diablo-D3> sure.
648 2011-02-23 08:58:28 <hwolf> anybody messed with water cooling? That just makes cooling more efficient right?  I am thinking of getting a car radiator + refrigerator
649 2011-02-23 08:58:51 <molecular> sipa, seems low, a stock 5970 should use 300W for itself, what about board and psu inefficiency?
650 2011-02-23 08:58:56 <hwolf> and pumping cool water to the cards.  figure I can find it cheap on craigs list
651 2011-02-23 08:59:17 <molecular> I just put my miner outside -> very good cooling at this time of year ;)
652 2011-02-23 08:59:26 <hwolf> lol thats smart
653 2011-02-23 08:59:38 <hwolf> where do you live can I drop by late at night to just look?
654 2011-02-23 08:59:45 <molecular> had to build another case around it though, with air-ducts and shit, because of snow, rain and wind
655 2011-02-23 08:59:47 <sipa> molecular: 300W is max spec
656 2011-02-23 08:59:55 <hwolf> thats pretty cool
657 2011-02-23 08:59:56 <molecular> hwolf: hamburg
658 2011-02-23 09:00:01 <sipa> molecular: in practice it's close to that of course
659 2011-02-23 09:00:10 <hwolf> I was thinking of putting a radiator outside and pumping cold water to the cards
660 2011-02-23 09:01:02 <mekel> diabl i hav ur miner saved into my bitcoin directory.. no idea how to run it
661 2011-02-23 09:01:11 <molecular> hwolf, you can do that. but various problems might pop up
662 2011-02-23 09:01:29 <hwolf> yeah, water everywhere would be bad
663 2011-02-23 09:01:31 <molecular> hwolf, you should check some ati overclocker's forums. I'm sure it's been done
664 2011-02-23 09:02:00 <hwolf> anybody put 4 x 5970's in one motherboard?
665 2011-02-23 09:02:23 <molecular> mekel, DISPLAY=:0 ./DiabloMiner-Linux.sh -u user -p password -o host -r port
666 2011-02-23 09:02:49 <mekel> so i put Windows.sh?
667 2011-02-23 09:02:51 <molecular> hwolf, ask artforz
668 2011-02-23 09:03:06 <molecular> mekel, probably
669 2011-02-23 09:03:24 <Diablo-D3> oh hes on windows?
670 2011-02-23 09:03:32 <Diablo-D3> mekel: read the op post on the thread
671 2011-02-23 09:03:40 <molecular> mekel, install linux first
672 2011-02-23 09:03:49 <mekel> lol
673 2011-02-23 09:03:58 <mekel> . . .
674 2011-02-23 09:03:58 <molecular> mekel, and: not in a vm ;)
675 2011-02-23 09:04:04 <Diablo-D3> there isnt a DiabloMiner-Windows.bat yet because no one has written one
676 2011-02-23 09:04:14 <mekel> sad face
677 2011-02-23 09:04:17 <molecular> mekel, do it other way around: linux host, win in vm
678 2011-02-23 09:04:37 <molecular> can't be that hard, though, right?
679 2011-02-23 09:04:38 <Diablo-D3> mekel: just read the op thread, instructions how to run are there
680 2011-02-23 09:04:39 <mekel> do any windows miners work for 6950 yet?
681 2011-02-23 09:04:42 <molecular> just use the linux one as basis
682 2011-02-23 09:07:19 <mekel> what is an op post
683 2011-02-23 09:17:47 <slush> ;;bc,stats
684 2011-02-23 09:17:50 <gribble> Current Blocks: 109883 | Current Difficulty: 36459.88692508 | Next Difficulty At Block: 110879 | Next Difficulty In: 996 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 2 hours, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 49603.87323292
685 2011-02-23 09:20:48 <mekel> Could not find the main class: java.library.path=c:itcoindiablominer\targetl ibs\nativeswindows.  Program will exit.
686 2011-02-23 09:33:09 <mekel> diablo-d3: im getting this error now
687 2011-02-23 09:33:10 <mekel> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/diablominer/Diabl oMiner/DiabloMiner Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: com.diablominer.DiabloMiner.DiabloM iner         at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(Unknown Source)         at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)         at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(Unknown Source)         at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
688 2011-02-23 09:34:59 <Diablo-D3> mekel: you didnt read the instructions.
689 2011-02-23 09:35:11 <mekel> *commits suicide*
690 2011-02-23 09:35:16 <Diablo-D3> run the command in the op post of the forum thread.
691 2011-02-23 09:35:23 <mekel> whats an op post
692 2011-02-23 09:35:53 <mekel> this cmd?
693 2011-02-23 09:35:54 <mekel> java -cp targetlibs*;targetDiabloMiner-0.0.1-SNAPSHOT.jar -Djava.library.path=targetlibs\nativeswindows
694 2011-02-23 09:36:27 <molecular> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1721.0 <- Diablo-D3, this thread?
695 2011-02-23 09:36:44 <molecular> I think mekel is not finding the thread
696 2011-02-23 09:36:58 <mekel> iv been staring at that threat
697 2011-02-23 09:37:01 <mekel> thread
698 2011-02-23 09:37:21 <molecular> unfortunately, I don't know what's meant by "op thread" either ;|
699 2011-02-23 09:37:23 <mekel> its written like ur expected to know everything
700 2011-02-23 09:37:31 <mekel> :|
701 2011-02-23 09:37:46 <mekel> op official post? i hav no idea lol
702 2011-02-23 09:37:52 <molecular> yeah, well, mostly geeks here
703 2011-02-23 09:38:01 <molecular> newbies welcome, but some thinking required ;)
704 2011-02-23 09:38:06 <mekel> i am trying
705 2011-02-23 09:38:11 <mekel> its 6 am here
706 2011-02-23 09:38:19 <molecular> up that early, I think not!
707 2011-02-23 09:38:31 <mekel> ya iv been up today and yesterday tryin to get this stuff goin
708 2011-02-23 09:40:02 <mekel> what is ment by this : Also, I don't think that java is appended to PATH by default, so you will probably want to add that as well to use 'java' from the command line Code:  C:Program Files (x86)Javajre6in
709 2011-02-23 09:40:02 <molecular> is that a ";" or a ":" after "-cp targetlibs*", merkel?
710 2011-02-23 09:40:16 <molecular> that's not your problem
711 2011-02-23 09:40:17 <mekel> its a ;
712 2011-02-23 09:40:19 <molecular> java starts fine
713 2011-02-23 09:40:26 <molecular> try a ":" (wild guess)
714 2011-02-23 09:40:28 <mekel> i copied that line from the site
715 2011-02-23 09:40:29 <mekel> ok
716 2011-02-23 09:40:39 <molecular> it's not finding stuff from targetDiabloMiner-0.0.1-SNAPSHOT.jar it seems
717 2011-02-23 09:40:41 <mekel> nothing
718 2011-02-23 09:40:48 <sipa> it's ; on windows i think
719 2011-02-23 09:40:55 <sipa> since : is a drive designator there
720 2011-02-23 09:41:01 <molecular> oh, yeah
721 2011-02-23 09:41:24 <mekel> hold on i will giv u entire error
722 2011-02-23 09:42:06 <mekel> C:Documents and SettingsAdministratorDesktop>java -cp targetlibs*:targetDi abloMiner-0.0.1-SNAPSHOT.jar -Djava.library.path=targetlibs\nativeswindows min er.bitcoin.cz -w 64 -u user -p password Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: miner/bitcoin/cz Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: miner.bitcoin.cz         at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(Unknown Source)         at java.security.AccessCon
723 2011-02-23 09:42:31 <mekel> those funky spaces are not there in real life
724 2011-02-23 09:43:11 <molecular> that's different from above error you posted earlier
725 2011-02-23 09:43:23 <sipa> he used : instead of ;
726 2011-02-23 09:43:35 <molecular> there's something missing before "miner.bitcoin.cz"
727 2011-02-23 09:43:41 <mekel> hm
728 2011-02-23 09:43:47 <molecular> "-o"
729 2011-02-23 09:43:55 <mekel> :o
730 2011-02-23 09:43:59 <molecular> and sipa is right, use ";"
731 2011-02-23 09:44:22 <sipa> that's not the problem
732 2011-02-23 09:44:31 <molecular> java -cp targetlibs*:targetDi abloMiner-0.0.1-SNAPSHOT.jar -Djava.library.path=targetlibs\nativeswindows -o miner.bitcoin.cz -w 64 -u user -p password
733 2011-02-23 09:44:32 <mekel> -o unrecognized
734 2011-02-23 09:44:50 <molecular> java -cp targetlibs*:targetDi abloMiner-0.0.1-SNAPSHOT.jar -Djava.library.path=targetlibs\nativeswindows -h
735 2011-02-23 09:44:55 <molecular> ^ does that work at all?
736 2011-02-23 09:45:05 <sipa> it won't
737 2011-02-23 09:45:17 <mekel> -h no good either
738 2011-02-23 09:45:19 <[Noodles]> java -cp targetlibs*;targetDiabloMiner-0.0.1-SNAPSHOT.jar -Djava.library.path=targetlibs\nativeswindows com.diablominer.DiabloMiner.DiabloMiner -o mining.bitcoin.cz -r 8332 -u login.worker -p pass
739 2011-02-23 09:45:24 <molecular> why, what's wrong with it, sipa?
740 2011-02-23 09:45:25 <[Noodles]> try that
741 2011-02-23 09:46:05 <Diablo-D3> back
742 2011-02-23 09:46:10 <Diablo-D3> [05:42:07] <mekel>  C:Documents and SettingsAdministratorDesktop>java -cp targetlibs*:targetDi abloMiner-0.0.1-SNAPSHOT.jar -Djava.library.path=targetlibs\nativeswindows min er.bitcoin.cz -w 64 -u user -p password Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: miner/bitcoin/cz Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: miner.bitcoin.cz         at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(Unknown Source)
743 2011-02-23 09:46:10 <molecular> then one could start with "java -jar ...", no?
744 2011-02-23 09:46:26 <Diablo-D3> mekel: no wonder your shits broke
745 2011-02-23 09:46:41 <Diablo-D3> you're not even running that in the directory where you unzipped DiabloMiner
746 2011-02-23 09:46:51 <molecular> are you sure
747 2011-02-23 09:46:52 <Diablo-D3> molecular: wont do anything, I need custom java args
748 2011-02-23 09:46:55 <molecular> he might have unzipped on Desktop
749 2011-02-23 09:46:57 <mekel> hm
750 2011-02-23 09:47:11 <Diablo-D3> molecular: it'd still be C:ShitDesktopDiabloMiner
751 2011-02-23 09:47:13 <molecular> mekel, what about using "-o mining.bitcoin.cz" instead of "mining.bitcoin.cz" ?
752 2011-02-23 09:47:14 <mekel> i thot i told batch to cd to the right directory