1 2011-02-24 00:00:00 <BlueMatt> They clearly are very "normal" data
  2 2011-02-24 00:00:07 <BlueMatt> there is a key (or multiple), say the hash
  3 2011-02-24 00:00:19 <BlueMatt> and from that key, there are a bunch of fields
  4 2011-02-24 00:00:40 <BlueMatt> timestamp, nonce, etc
  5 2011-02-24 00:00:41 <gasteve_> I'm not saying SQL DBs can't be made to work...clearly they can
  6 2011-02-24 00:00:42 <BlueMatt> (ignore the fact that txes is a list)
  7 2011-02-24 00:00:57 <BlueMatt> How is that more efficiently handled in a redis-style system?
  8 2011-02-24 00:02:31 <gasteve_> Well, first, I don't know redis...so I cant speak for it specifically
  9 2011-02-24 00:03:35 <gasteve_> But, the first thing to recognize is that to use the data, you need to convert it into objects in memory
 10 2011-02-24 00:04:19 <gasteve_> And as I mentioned, you want to have a cache of the objects to minimize the overhead of marshaling
 11 2011-02-24 00:04:46 <gasteve_> (which renders the db cache useless and a complete waste of resources)
 12 2011-02-24 00:05:13 <BlueMatt> Can you explain that one a bit more?
 13 2011-02-24 00:06:15 <gasteve_> I need to keep a working set of objects in memory to avoid the overhead of converting table data into objects
 14 2011-02-24 00:07:10 <BlueMatt> ok fair enough
 15 2011-02-24 00:07:20 <gasteve_> (not avoid it, but minimize it so that I don't marshall objects repeatedly and unnecessarily)
 16 2011-02-24 00:09:39 <gasteve_> With direct access to disk based storage structures (btrees, hash tables, etc), I can't just store the objects directly to disk as they are structured in memory...and build indexes on them to support the access paths my app needs...however, doing that efficiently usually requires vm support
 17 2011-02-24 00:10:14 <gasteve_> (I meant "I can just store")
 18 2011-02-24 00:10:56 <BlueMatt> Why does that need vm support?
 19 2011-02-24 00:11:35 <gasteve_> The virtual machine (smalltalk vm, jvm, v8 vm, etc)
 20 2011-02-24 00:11:57 <BurtyB> gasteve_ I'd imagine what format your data is in, in memory for the nosql db is different to the format you end up getting it in anyway
 21 2011-02-24 00:12:10 <BlueMatt> But how do you need vm support?
 22 2011-02-24 00:12:57 <gasteve_> Its not required necessarily, but can make a huge difference in the performance of such DBs
 23 2011-02-24 00:13:23 <BlueMatt> say you have a table {1,2,3,4},{5,6,7,8} you just store it on disk like that then to index the first column, you just create an index {1,0},{5,4}
 24 2011-02-24 00:13:30 <BlueMatt> where does a vm come into that?
 25 2011-02-24 00:14:03 <gasteve_> That's because the vm can take the bytes as they are laid out in object memory and stick them straight to disk
 26 2011-02-24 00:14:39 <BlueMatt> how does that require a vm, c can just copy memory to disk?
 27 2011-02-24 00:15:16 <gasteve_> Yeah, sure...if you're using c
 28 2011-02-24 00:15:32 <BurtyB> even php can mmap :p
 29 2011-02-24 00:15:35 <BlueMatt> mysql, postresql are in c, correct?
 30 2011-02-24 00:16:56 <gasteve_> But then, if you're using c, SQL will seem like a minor inconvenience....maybe even a luxury ;)
 31 2011-02-24 00:17:34 <BlueMatt> I feel like we are way out on a tangent...
 32 2011-02-24 00:17:42 <gasteve_> Yeah
 33 2011-02-24 00:17:42 <[Tycho]> Hello, jgarzik
 34 2011-02-24 00:17:58 <BlueMatt> My question is just that the fact that the db, when it knows that it is reading a table, can just read an entire row from disk and return that
 35 2011-02-24 00:18:17 <jgarzik> [Tycho]: hello
 36 2011-02-24 00:18:34 <BlueMatt> in a db which leaves it all up to the application, has no idea what its reading and has to read each value from a key-value store, one at a time
 37 2011-02-24 00:18:48 <gasteve_> Well DBs read pages, not rows
 38 2011-02-24 00:19:00 <BlueMatt> thus, for "standard" data, it would be much more efficient to use a "standard" database
 39 2011-02-24 00:19:09 <gasteve_> Nah
 40 2011-02-24 00:19:17 <BlueMatt> Well, they read a page which contains an entire row, and can just return that
 41 2011-02-24 00:19:18 <[Tycho]> jgarzik, when assigning rewards for pool mining - how do you know which one block was not confirmed ?
 42 2011-02-24 00:19:28 <BlueMatt> whereas something which is just key-vale, has to read each value
 43 2011-02-24 00:19:35 <BlueMatt> because the value might not be in the same page
 44 2011-02-24 00:19:41 <BlueMatt> (assuming its not in the same page)
 45 2011-02-24 00:19:52 <jgarzik> [Tycho]: I cannot parse your question
 46 2011-02-24 00:20:00 <gasteve_> Yeah...but a good "nosql" db would ultimately have a similar structure on disk
 47 2011-02-24 00:20:15 <[Tycho]> jgarzik, do you have a mining pool ?
 48 2011-02-24 00:20:22 <gasteve_> (a good nosql db in good hands that is)
 49 2011-02-24 00:20:29 <jgarzik> [Tycho]: active at this moment?
 50 2011-02-24 00:20:36 <[Tycho]> jgarzik, no.
 51 2011-02-24 00:20:41 <BlueMatt> ok, so in other words, we are talking about programming your own disk structure for nosql
 52 2011-02-24 00:20:54 <gasteve_> Yes
 53 2011-02-24 00:21:07 <BlueMatt> whereas some nosql servers (including, from what I can tell, redis), dont
 54 2011-02-24 00:21:21 <BlueMatt> ok, so we are talking about different servers
 55 2011-02-24 00:21:31 <BlueMatt> hence my unwillingness to use the word nosql
 56 2011-02-24 00:21:38 <gasteve_> Not programming them, but crafting them
 57 2011-02-24 00:21:41 <BlueMatt> Its too ambiguous and really means very little
 58 2011-02-24 00:21:47 <jgarzik> like "cloud"
 59 2011-02-24 00:21:48 <BlueMatt> yea
 60 2011-02-24 00:21:54 <BlueMatt> exactly
 61 2011-02-24 00:21:54 <BurtyB> lol
 62 2011-02-24 00:22:11 <gasteve_> (you wouldnt have to code up a btree or hash table...just decide to use it)
 63 2011-02-24 00:22:33 <BlueMatt> gasteve_ true
 64 2011-02-24 00:22:37 <BlueMatt> ok, well thanks for the discussion
 65 2011-02-24 00:22:43 <BlueMatt> but I really must be off
 66 2011-02-24 00:22:55 <BlueMatt> goodbye all
 67 2011-02-24 00:23:00 <gasteve_> Yeah...tedious to discuss on irc
 68 2011-02-24 00:23:04 <BlueMatt> ...very
 69 2011-02-24 00:24:14 <[Tycho]> jgarzik, when block is generated in your pool all 50 BTC go to single adress or are divided to all participants in the same block ?
 70 2011-02-24 00:24:42 <jgarzik> [Tycho]: it goes to a single address
 71 2011-02-24 00:24:54 <jgarzik> [Tycho]: you must write the payout script
 72 2011-02-24 00:25:20 <[Tycho]> jgarzik, yes. But how can i find out if this block was confirmed or not ?
 73 2011-02-24 00:25:58 <jgarzik> [Tycho]: all blocks mature after 120 confirmations
 74 2011-02-24 00:26:28 <[Tycho]> It's not my idea.
 75 2011-02-24 00:26:31 <jgarzik> luke-jr: puddinpop's pool code does that
 76 2011-02-24 00:26:38 <luke-jr> puddinpop has a pool?
 77 2011-02-24 00:26:47 <jgarzik> pool _code_
 78 2011-02-24 00:26:54 <luke-jr> is it open?
 79 2011-02-24 00:27:00 <jgarzik> yes
 80 2011-02-24 00:27:04 <luke-jr> cool
 81 2011-02-24 00:27:06 <[Tycho]> jgarzik, ok, how i can check if this block has matured ?
 82 2011-02-24 00:27:10 <doublec> puddinpop's code is what I used when I ran a pool
 83 2011-02-24 00:27:22 <jgarzik> [Tycho]: look at your balance
 84 2011-02-24 00:27:24 <luke-jr> unfortunately, pool-type stuff doesn't benefit Tonal, so lies outside my interest in Bitcoin dev. still cool tho :
 85 2011-02-24 00:27:50 <doublec> luke-jr: you can see an example of a generated block from puddinpop's code here: http://blockexplorer.com/block/00000000000233334b157d901714baf59e5b9236227b2878844e52244da4195e
 86 2011-02-24 00:27:54 <[Tycho]> jgarzik, when balance increases, i don't know, which one block was matured.
 87 2011-02-24 00:28:16 <luke-jr> doublec: that's pretty neat
 88 2011-02-24 00:28:23 <jgarzik> [Tycho]: when balance increases, block-120 matured
 89 2011-02-24 00:28:31 <doublec> yeah it's a nice way of doing it. It appears as 'generated' in all the recipients clients too.
 90 2011-02-24 00:28:56 <[Tycho]> But when i generate block, i know only it's hash, but not number.
 91 2011-02-24 00:30:36 <phantomcircuit> uh
 92 2011-02-24 00:30:57 <phantomcircuit> so an on the wire version number of 32001 means version 2001 internally?
 93 2011-02-24 00:32:27 <luke-jr> O.o
 94 2011-02-24 00:32:39 <phantomcircuit> wait
 95 2011-02-24 00:34:22 <[Tycho]> Looking only for balance increase is way too unreliable.
 96 2011-02-24 00:36:02 <BurtyB> can you not walk the blocks back until you find that hash?
 97 2011-02-24 00:37:34 <doublec> use the monitorblocks patch to get notification when the block hits 120 confirmations? Or use getblock from that patch passing it the hash?
 98 2011-02-24 00:37:40 <jgarzik> [RFC] Add 'dumpblock' RPC command, to dump all fields in specified block
 99 2011-02-24 00:37:41 <jgarzik> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3799.0
100 2011-02-24 00:38:06 <[Tycho]> Oh, that looks more like it :) Thanks.
101 2011-02-24 00:38:13 <jgarzik> [Tycho]: you can look at xlisttransactions output: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=611.0
102 2011-02-24 00:38:49 <jgarzik> [Tycho]: that shows transactions relevant to the local wallet, including immature and mature generated blocks
103 2011-02-24 00:39:02 <doublec> nice
104 2011-02-24 00:39:13 <jgarzik> old news :)
105 2011-02-24 00:39:31 <jgarzik> and not as efficient as monitorblocks, because one must poll xlisttransactions
106 2011-02-24 01:12:15 <midnightmagic> anyone here with access to mtgox ssl cert? can you post SHA1/MD5 hash?
107 2011-02-24 01:19:51 <midnightmagic> nevermind, thanks.
108 2011-02-24 01:43:45 <andrew12> hmm... what motherboard should I get if I want to get started on mining? I already know I'm going to be going AMD, and I want to have at least 2 PCI-E slots..
109 2011-02-24 01:44:33 <andrew12> actually this might be what i want
110 2011-02-24 01:44:35 <andrew12> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157226
111 2011-02-24 01:44:59 <tcatm> for single gpu mining, yes
112 2011-02-24 01:45:39 <andrew12> yay I found a mobo
113 2011-02-24 01:45:42 <andrew12> =P
114 2011-02-24 01:46:03 <tcatm> better get one that can fit two cards
115 2011-02-24 01:46:12 <lfm> tcatm not for dual gpus?
116 2011-02-24 01:46:42 <andrew12> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157226 - that can fit two cards, right? it's got 2 pcie slots
117 2011-02-24 01:46:55 <andrew12> wait
118 2011-02-24 01:46:57 <andrew12> 2 x PCI Express 2.0 x16 slots (green @ x16 mode, orange @ x4 mode)
119 2011-02-24 01:47:15 <tcatm> yep, but the GPU in green slot can't be cooled
120 2011-02-24 01:47:32 <andrew12> hmm
121 2011-02-24 01:47:51 <lfm> depending on your gpu model one fan may be blocked
122 2011-02-24 01:48:58 <andrew12> that's the cheapest one ive seen with two slots
123 2011-02-24 01:50:05 <andrew12> well its also the only one ive seen with two slots so far.
124 2011-02-24 01:50:10 <hozer> what is up with bitcoincentral's price for bcLRUSD ? .. last trade is reported below bid price.. did someone come in later with a bid?
125 2011-02-24 01:50:33 <Kiba> hozer: possibly. small market lead to unusual prices
126 2011-02-24 01:50:52 <hozer> yeah ;)
127 2011-02-24 01:50:58 <lfm> also possible if the market is currently closed
128 2011-02-24 01:51:26 <andrew12> there has got to be an easier way to filter through boards with 2 pcie slots..
129 2011-02-24 01:51:41 <andrew12> derp, list view
130 2011-02-24 01:52:42 <tcatm> andrew12: msi 870-g45
131 2011-02-24 01:53:06 <andrew12> that looks perfect
132 2011-02-24 01:53:09 <lfm> andrew search on crossfire?
133 2011-02-24 01:54:23 <andrew12> lfm: motherboards.. but tcatm found one :p
134 2011-02-24 01:55:10 <tcatm> guess what most miners use :P
135 2011-02-24 01:55:32 <andrew12> that one? :p
136 2011-02-24 01:55:43 <tcatm> yep
137 2011-02-24 01:55:53 <tcatm> (or a very similiar one)
138 2011-02-24 01:56:10 <andrew12> holy fuck
139 2011-02-24 01:56:15 <andrew12> $79 for 2tb
140 2011-02-24 01:56:38 <andrew12> then you scroll down and there's another, $89 for 500gb
141 2011-02-24 01:58:58 <andrew12> do they even sell IDE hard drives anymore? xD
142 2011-02-24 01:58:58 <lfm> andrew12: 500gb are old drives, look for 1tb it should be $50 or less
143 2011-02-24 01:59:22 <lfm> andrew12: ide are prolly old models too
144 2011-02-24 01:59:28 <andrew12> i know
145 2011-02-24 01:59:31 <andrew12> i'm just curious
146 2011-02-24 01:59:48 <lfm> they still make some ide I think
147 2011-02-24 02:01:41 <Blitzboom> ;;bc,stats
148 2011-02-24 02:01:43 <gribble> Current Blocks: 110056 | Current Difficulty: 36459.88692508 | Next Difficulty At Block: 110879 | Next Difficulty In: 823 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 1 hour, 23 minutes, and 18 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 51141.35054357
149 2011-02-24 02:01:54 <andrew12> lfm: loest one i can find with 1 tb is $55
150 2011-02-24 02:02:24 <bk128> andrew12: https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AnEN-UY38coAdE9BTklLUDYyWnpfOUxqdnRxWkdmbmc&hl=en&authkey=CIeTjdoD
151 2011-02-24 02:02:42 <bk128> andrew12: I can probably sell you an old drive for 50btc shipped
152 2011-02-24 02:02:54 <bk128> I'll see what I have at home if you can wait till the weekend
153 2011-02-24 02:03:06 <bk128> I also have a stack of extra cd drives
154 2011-02-24 02:03:06 <lfm> andrew12: maybe have to wait for a sale then
155 2011-02-24 02:03:20 <lfm> bk128 but what capacity?
156 2011-02-24 02:03:35 <andrew12> ^^
157 2011-02-24 02:03:45 <bk128> I think I have a few 20gb+ ide drives.  40btc shipped
158 2011-02-24 02:04:00 <bk128> plenty for a debian install for a mining rig :)
159 2011-02-24 02:04:09 <lfm> bk128 20gb drives would only be worth 20btc
160 2011-02-24 02:04:18 <andrew12> more like 10
161 2011-02-24 02:04:27 <andrew12> i can get a 500 gb sata drive for <$50
162 2011-02-24 02:04:47 <andrew12> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145299
163 2011-02-24 02:04:48 <bk128> that's a good deal.  also check ebay
164 2011-02-24 02:04:54 <andrew12> $39
165 2011-02-24 02:05:23 <lfm> newegg would be a lot safer than ebay of course
166 2011-02-24 02:05:36 <andrew12> yep
167 2011-02-24 02:05:49 <JunK-Y> how come im getting: ImportError: libOpenCL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
168 2011-02-24 02:05:59 <bk128> andrew12: google doc is the rig I just built
169 2011-02-24 02:06:11 <andrew12> bk128: oic
170 2011-02-24 02:06:36 <andrew12> wow
171 2011-02-24 02:06:44 <andrew12> $13 for 1gb ram
172 2011-02-24 02:06:56 <JunK-Y> bk128: which miner do you use on linux?
173 2011-02-24 02:07:23 <andrew12> ;;webbook
174 2011-02-24 02:07:23 <gribble> Error: "webbook" is not a valid command.
175 2011-02-24 02:07:30 <andrew12> er
176 2011-02-24 02:07:35 <andrew12> ;;list otcorderbook
177 2011-02-24 02:07:35 <gribble> book, buy, refresh, remove, sell, and view
178 2011-02-24 02:07:40 <andrew12> ;;apropos web
179 2011-02-24 02:07:40 <gribble> Alias botweb
180 2011-02-24 02:07:47 <andrew12> ;;apropos book
181 2011-02-24 02:07:47 <gribble> Google phonebook and OTCOrderBook book
182 2011-02-24 02:07:50 <andrew12> what
183 2011-02-24 02:08:19 <andrew12> guess that only works in #bitcoin-otc
184 2011-02-24 02:08:20 <gribble> (otcorderbook book <thing>) -- Get a list of open orders for <thing>.
185 2011-02-24 02:08:20 <lfm> ;;OTCOrderBook book
186 2011-02-24 02:08:30 <gribble> Error: The "OTCOrderBook" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "web" in it.  Try "list OTCOrderBook" to see the commands in the "OTCOrderBook" plugin.
187 2011-02-24 02:08:30 <lfm> ;;OTCOrderBook web
188 2011-02-24 02:08:52 <andrew12> lfm:
189 2011-02-24 02:08:56 <andrew12> ;;book "radeon 5770"
190 2011-02-24 02:08:56 <gribble> #607 Mon Feb 21 02:11:34 2011 Keefe@unaffiliated/keefe SELL 1.0 Radeon 5770 @ 122.18 BTC (Including shipping within the USA. Will ship anywhere in the world for extra cost. It generates about 34 BTC per week when overclocked to 960mhz.)
191 2011-02-24 02:09:39 <lfm> is that better than neweeg price?
192 2011-02-24 02:09:45 <andrew12> no idea
193 2011-02-24 02:10:09 <hozer> that's not too bad..
194 2011-02-24 02:10:45 <xelister> BLAAAARGHhhh
195 2011-02-24 02:11:04 <xelister> o.c. to 960 Hz  +  playing any video file = 100% sure crash in < 1 second
196 2011-02-24 02:11:14 <xelister> funny how that is totally predictable =)
197 2011-02-24 02:11:16 <andrew12> hahaha
198 2011-02-24 02:11:32 <xelister> not playing a video file = 100% stability though. 0% chance of crash (and not switching virtual terminals)
199 2011-02-24 02:11:37 <lfm> andrew12:
200 2011-02-24 02:11:52 <andrew12> lfm:
201 2011-02-24 02:11:52 <lfm> andrew12: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127476
202 2011-02-24 02:11:52 <xelister> even on maximum o.c. allowed without reprogramming hardware on GPU
203 2011-02-24 02:12:42 <hozer> xelister: google earth did me a good crash @975 .. seems okay @950
204 2011-02-24 02:12:52 <Keefe> bitcoin mining doesn't use the parts of the card that can't handle such high OC
205 2011-02-24 02:13:02 <xelister> hozer: on 5770 ?
206 2011-02-24 02:13:06 <hozer> yep
207 2011-02-24 02:13:35 <lfm> while also mining?
208 2011-02-24 02:13:36 <xelister> Keefe: indeed. I think some video scalling or general scalling /video/ sharder is more of a pussy then calculaitions general shader
209 2011-02-24 02:13:48 <Keefe> lfm: yes, my offer is about $15 less than newegg, iirc
210 2011-02-24 02:14:11 <hozer> ... google earth is too slow to be usable while mining ;)
211 2011-02-24 02:14:12 <lfm> Keefe: what make 5770 is it?
212 2011-02-24 02:14:23 <Keefe> mm, i should have said in the notes
213 2011-02-24 02:14:30 <Keefe> Gigabyte Super Overclock
214 2011-02-24 02:15:07 <Keefe> http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3429
215 2011-02-24 02:15:14 <xelister> hozer: how you got @975 on an 5770
216 2011-02-24 02:15:17 <lfm> is that with dual fans?
217 2011-02-24 02:15:19 <xelister> bios limit is @960
218 2011-02-24 02:15:25 <Keefe> single fan
219 2011-02-24 02:15:47 <Keefe> i haven't tried unlocking the clock to exceed 960
220 2011-02-24 02:15:57 <Keefe> but i hear it should easily go over 1000
221 2011-02-24 02:16:22 <hozer> xelister: hrrm.. I got an MSI R5770 hawk , it seens to have been unlocked out of the box
222 2011-02-24 02:16:36 <hozer> I get artifacts on the screen @1000, but it runs ;)
223 2011-02-24 02:16:42 <xelister> hozer: woot
224 2011-02-24 02:16:45 <lfm> newegg has some "open box" ones look like good deals
225 2011-02-24 02:16:47 <xelister> hozer: loool
226 2011-02-24 02:17:00 <andrew12> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150476
227 2011-02-24 02:17:08 <andrew12> 5870 for 229
228 2011-02-24 02:17:23 <Keefe> here's the one i'm selling: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125327
229 2011-02-24 02:17:23 <lfm> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127490R
230 2011-02-24 02:17:24 <Diablo-D3> yeah but its xfx
231 2011-02-24 02:17:35 <andrew12> "sort by lowest price" doesn't really do that
232 2011-02-24 02:17:36 <andrew12> :|
233 2011-02-24 02:17:49 <Diablo-D3> yes it does
234 2011-02-24 02:17:52 <xelister> CAPTAIN WE ARE g t ing so me inte feran e  b t  the p!a e  fl s  .. W7F a!rspeed 0 ? CA 'T SEE SH T  H LP
235 2011-02-24 02:17:55 <andrew12> its not sorted.
236 2011-02-24 02:17:55 <Diablo-D3> it sorts WITH rebate in tow
237 2011-02-24 02:18:03 <Diablo-D3> it also doesnt include out of stock stuff
238 2011-02-24 02:18:04 <andrew12> oic
239 2011-02-24 02:18:11 <midnightmagic> ;;bc,stats
240 2011-02-24 02:18:12 <gribble> Current Blocks: 110057 | Current Difficulty: 36459.88692508 | Next Difficulty At Block: 110879 | Next Difficulty In: 822 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 1 hour, 29 minutes, and 54 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 51093.89547817
241 2011-02-24 02:18:13 <hozer> but I run at 950 cause I don't like "fglrx: asic hang"
242 2011-02-24 02:18:25 <xelister> hozer: didnt see that one yet! cool
243 2011-02-24 02:18:44 <xelister> hozer: playing video == 100 sure crash with X backtrace in log.  Usually computer keeps working mostly apart from screen
244 2011-02-24 02:19:22 <midnightmagic> uh... that estimate?
245 2011-02-24 02:19:38 <midnightmagic> == semi-accurate ?
246 2011-02-24 02:19:42 <lfm> ya?
247 2011-02-24 02:19:52 <andrew12> ;;calc [bc,diff] % 2016
248 2011-02-24 02:19:53 <gribble> 36,459.88692508 mod 2,016 = 171.886925
249 2011-02-24 02:19:54 <lfm> sure,why not
250 2011-02-24 02:20:00 <andrew12> er
251 2011-02-24 02:20:11 <andrew12> ;;calc [bc,blocks] % 2016
252 2011-02-24 02:20:12 <gribble> 110,057 mod 2,016 = 1,193
253 2011-02-24 02:20:26 <andrew12> yeah i think that estimate is semi accurate.
254 2011-02-24 02:20:49 <midnightmagic> 900+ blocks since last difficulty change.
255 2011-02-24 02:20:50 <midnightmagic> great.
256 2011-02-24 02:21:46 <midnightmagic> that's kind of a big jump.
257 2011-02-24 02:21:56 <andrew12> yeah
258 2011-02-24 02:22:19 <midnightmagic> either art got the rest of his asic up, or someone big-ish joined.
259 2011-02-24 02:22:40 <lfm> or a lot of less bigish joined
260 2011-02-24 02:22:48 <hozer> I'll bet on Art
261 2011-02-24 02:22:50 <andrew12> ;;math calc ([bc,estimate]-[bc,diff])/[bc,diff]
262 2011-02-24 02:22:55 <gribble> 0.401372845262
263 2011-02-24 02:23:01 <andrew12> 40% increase if i did my math right
264 2011-02-24 02:23:30 <lfm> ;;math calc ([bc,estimate]-[bc,diff])/[bc,estimate]
265 2011-02-24 02:23:32 <gribble> 0.286414030797
266 2011-02-24 02:23:32 <midnightmagic> that kind of jump is enough to suggest a move towards tampering.
267 2011-02-24 02:23:56 <andrew12> well its just an estimate.
268 2011-02-24 02:24:02 <lfm> that kind of a jump is not unprecidented
269 2011-02-24 02:24:21 <midnightmagic> kinda late to be working off the 1st slashdotting
270 2011-02-24 02:24:31 <andrew12> anyways
271 2011-02-24 02:24:32 <andrew12> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127482R
272 2011-02-24 02:24:33 <andrew12> do want
273 2011-02-24 02:24:57 <andrew12> anyone selling a 5[89]70? :3
274 2011-02-24 02:25:13 <hozer> welll.. slashdotting, plus 2-5 days for buying + installing cards
275 2011-02-24 02:28:15 <midnightmagic> that estimate represented 365 GHash.
276 2011-02-24 02:28:44 <midnightmagic> wtf?
277 2011-02-24 02:33:43 <lfm> ;;calc 51141.35054357 * 2^32/600
278 2011-02-24 02:33:44 <gribble> (51,141.35054357 * (2^32)) / 600 = 3.66084047 * 10^(11)
279 2011-02-24 02:34:13 <lfm> 36ghash isnt it?
280 2011-02-24 02:34:26 <lfm> oh no your right
281 2011-02-24 02:35:22 <midnightmagic> bc -l says: (51093.89547817*(2^32))/600=365744350173.30405321386666666666
282 2011-02-24 02:35:42 <lfm> ;;bc,estimate
283 2011-02-24 02:35:54 <gribble> 51051.38251970
284 2011-02-24 02:36:07 <lfm> ok its changing as we go
285 2011-02-24 02:36:13 <midnightmagic> huh..  interesting!
286 2011-02-24 02:36:36 <bk128> JunK-Y: I use diablominer
287 2011-02-24 02:36:54 <lfm> ;;calc [bc,estimate] * 2^32/600
288 2011-02-24 02:36:55 <gribble> (51,051.38251970 * (2^32)) / 600 = 3.65440031 * 10^(11)
289 2011-02-24 02:38:04 <midnightmagic> i worry that the rapid climb in difficulty will discourage the long tail from participating without an equivalent jump in btc exchange value.
290 2011-02-24 02:38:42 <lfm> cant worry about everything
291 2011-02-24 02:38:52 <midnightmagic> that's the only thing i am worried about. :)
292 2011-02-24 02:39:05 <lfm> you got it easy then
293 2011-02-24 02:39:27 <midnightmagic> pretty much 99% of what people whine about when they come in here is sheer ignorance.
294 2011-02-24 02:39:33 <andrew12> the jump from .4 to parity was pretty much preparing for the difficulty increse
295 2011-02-24 02:39:36 <midnightmagic> hopefully mine is too.
296 2011-02-24 02:39:46 <andrew12> increase*
297 2011-02-24 02:39:48 <andrew12> at least, i think so
298 2011-02-24 02:39:57 <andrew12> but correlation doesn't imply causation etc
299 2011-02-24 02:40:20 <midnightmagic> hrm.
300 2011-02-24 02:41:05 <lfm> looks a lot like random
301 2011-02-24 02:41:17 <midnightmagic> if the long tail goes away, hashrate will consolidate and confidence in tamper-resistance will fall.
302 2011-02-24 02:41:37 <midnightmagic> but i suppose without an actual report of someone being over-ridden there's no evidence of it..
303 2011-02-24 02:41:52 <midnightmagic> is there a chart somewhere which describes chain splits?
304 2011-02-24 02:42:09 <andrew12> ;;bc,wiki block chain
305 2011-02-24 02:42:09 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Block_chain | Jan 19, 2011 ... Every block contains a hash of the previous block. This has the effect of creating a chain of blocks from the genesis block to the current ...
306 2011-02-24 02:42:12 <andrew12> not sure if that's what you want
307 2011-02-24 02:42:28 <midnightmagic> i'm curious as to whether a chain split has actually occurred and when
308 2011-02-24 02:42:35 <andrew12> yes
309 2011-02-24 02:42:58 <andrew12> For any block on the chain, there is only one path to the genesis block. Coming from the genesis block, however, there can be forks. One-block forks are created from time to time when two blocks are created just a few seconds apart. When that happens, generating nodes build onto whichever one of the blocks they received first. Whichever block ends up being included in the next block becomes part of the main chain because that chain is longer. M
310 2011-02-24 02:43:40 <midnightmagic> assume i know what a chain and a split is. :) discarded chains are logged somewhere? maybe in a graph?
311 2011-02-24 02:43:55 <andrew12> midnightmagic: afaik no
312 2011-02-24 02:44:11 <midnightmagic> then how are you confident it has happened already?
313 2011-02-24 02:44:43 <lfm> midnightmagic small chain splits occur quit often really, you might not see them all depending where you are in the bitcoin net overall
314 2011-02-24 02:44:47 <andrew12> midnightmagic: do you really expect the block duration to always be 10 minutes?
315 2011-02-24 02:45:14 <midnightmagic> andrew12: of course not, difficulty is increasing.
316 2011-02-24 02:45:23 <lfm> midnightmagic every time there is two nodes finding a block within 5 ror 10 sec or one another
317 2011-02-24 02:46:11 <midnightmagic> lfm: right, i know that part. but chain splits are the only forensic evidence i can think of to help investigate tampering
318 2011-02-24 02:46:52 <lfm> most likely they would not indicate tampering, just random occuance
319 2011-02-24 02:47:00 <lfm> occurance
320 2011-02-24 02:47:17 <andrew12> midnightmagic: it probably wouldn't be hard to make a graph of what you're describing, though
321 2011-02-24 02:47:31 <midnightmagic> if a split is exceedingly improbable, or if a pattern of splits happens, that can be evidence.
322 2011-02-24 02:47:37 <andrew12> just wouldn't have it for old splits
323 2011-02-24 02:47:52 <andrew12> anyways i gotta go to bed
324 2011-02-24 02:47:52 <midnightmagic> andrew12: my thoughts exactly. i just really hate duplicating work. :)
325 2011-02-24 02:47:56 <andrew12> nini
326 2011-02-24 02:47:57 <midnightmagic> night andrew. thanks.
327 2011-02-24 02:48:05 <lfm> I'd guess that a couple collisions would happen every week
328 2011-02-24 02:48:34 <andrew12> i wonder if monitorblocks will spew out blocks from split chains too
329 2011-02-24 02:48:36 <andrew12> :p
330 2011-02-24 02:49:03 <lfm> more often if it is on nodes with larger communication delays
331 2011-02-24 02:49:09 <mekel> hey diablo-d3 or anyone runnin linux, whats the best ubuntu version to run for the hd 6950
332 2011-02-24 02:49:34 <mekel> im about to burn the iso's ovr at my friends house cuz my burners down
333 2011-02-24 02:49:54 <lfm> mekel: I only ever really run 10-10 but dunno if its best
334 2011-02-24 02:50:05 <andrew12> mekel: arch linux
335 2011-02-24 02:50:10 <Diablo-D3> mekel: erm, the newest one?
336 2011-02-24 02:50:10 <mekel> plz niot arch lol!
337 2011-02-24 02:50:19 <Diablo-D3> ubuntu is shit
338 2011-02-24 02:50:23 <andrew12> ^^
339 2011-02-24 02:50:25 <mekel> what comes aftr arch
340 2011-02-24 02:50:29 <Diablo-D3> I'd use debian sid and pull fglrx debs from exp
341 2011-02-24 02:50:52 <mekel> im lookin for the easiest route that sounds complicated
342 2011-02-24 02:51:09 <andrew12> mekel: uh
343 2011-02-24 02:51:09 <Diablo-D3> there are no easy routes.
344 2011-02-24 02:51:18 <lfm> mekel: ubuntu was pretty complicated in my experience too
345 2011-02-24 02:51:21 <andrew12> mekel: you want it to be easy but you want it tosound complicated?
346 2011-02-24 02:51:26 <andrew12> to sound*
347 2011-02-24 02:51:50 <lfm> ubuntu sounds easy but often aint
348 2011-02-24 02:51:52 <mekel> no not really
349 2011-02-24 02:51:58 <mekel> iv installd it b4
350 2011-02-24 02:52:04 <andrew12> mekel: what.
351 2011-02-24 02:52:21 <mekel> no not really to that statement u made
352 2011-02-24 02:52:24 <mekel> nvm
353 2011-02-24 02:52:34 <mekel> ima go with 10,10
354 2011-02-24 02:52:48 <lfm> but ati opencl on ubuntu is quite complicated in my experience
355 2011-02-24 02:52:58 <Syke> ubuntu is dead easy to get mining on
356 2011-02-24 02:53:19 <mekel> that sounds reassuring thanks syke
357 2011-02-24 02:53:20 <lfm> Syke: which ubuntu release did you use?
358 2011-02-24 02:53:56 <midnightmagic> ubuntu server minimal install rules over debian, heathen.
359 2011-02-24 02:54:21 <Syke> 10.10
360 2011-02-24 02:54:35 <lfm> sever? you need xorg to run ati opencl
361 2011-02-24 02:54:51 <Syke> desktop
362 2011-02-24 02:54:52 <midnightmagic> Xorg's on the DVD. it's one apt-get away.
363 2011-02-24 02:55:09 <midnightmagic> server has a 12-second boot time and no gdm or xdm or whatever the hell it uses.
364 2011-02-24 02:55:12 <lfm> might as well install desktop then
365 2011-02-24 02:55:25 <mekel> wheres can i find an install guide for bitcoin on 10.10
366 2011-02-24 02:55:35 <midnightmagic> .xinitrc for font control + dwm
367 2011-02-24 02:55:41 <mekel> i dnt hav dvd's
368 2011-02-24 02:56:27 <midnightmagic> mekel: bitcoin itself is pretty much download + run. for the opencl miners, you have to just install prerequisites and that can be a bit tough
369 2011-02-24 02:56:40 <mekel> when usay dwm are u referrin to the OS's gui?
370 2011-02-24 02:56:49 <mekel> oh
371 2011-02-24 02:57:00 <mekel> do i hav to know all my hardware specs?
372 2011-02-24 02:57:11 <lfm> dwm is the graphic login, you can use startx instead
373 2011-02-24 02:57:14 <midnightmagic> dwm = 2000-line window manager. ultra lightweight, no menus, no icons, just one status bar the height of the font you tell it to use.
374 2011-02-24 02:57:26 <midnightmagic> i use startx from the command-line.
375 2011-02-24 02:57:33 <mekel> xwindows?
376 2011-02-24 02:57:49 <Syke> easy ubuntu guide: install 10.10 desktop, install ati drivers from amd, install sdk drivers from forum.
377 2011-02-24 02:57:55 <andrew12> mekel: build-unix.txt
378 2011-02-24 02:58:22 <andrew12> oh nevermind
379 2011-02-24 02:58:32 <andrew12> well
380 2011-02-24 02:58:33 <mekel> nevermind what
381 2011-02-24 02:58:39 <andrew12> if you want to install bitcoin, yes
382 2011-02-24 02:58:41 <lfm> ignore build-unix.txt, use the binaries
383 2011-02-24 02:58:46 <andrew12> or that.
384 2011-02-24 02:58:57 <midnightmagic> mekel: are you planning on mining or just running bitcoin?
385 2011-02-24 02:59:02 <mekel> im plannin on usin diablos miner is that the best chocie?
386 2011-02-24 02:59:02 <Syke> then setup bitcoin -server, and DiabloMiner
387 2011-02-24 02:59:05 <mekel> mining
388 2011-02-24 02:59:14 <mekel> can i use diablo to mine from bitcoin.cz?
389 2011-02-24 02:59:16 <midnightmagic> while diablo's listening, sure!
390 2011-02-24 02:59:27 <midnightmagic> i heard you can.
391 2011-02-24 02:59:38 <mekel> do i just type in -o bitcoin.cz ?
392 2011-02-24 02:59:40 <mekel> in the bash
393 2011-02-24 02:59:50 <mekel> im not sure if u run bash's to start it im just assumin
394 2011-02-24 02:59:51 <lfm> you may need some json package or something
395 2011-02-24 02:59:55 <Syke> if you have a 6950, i'd mine solo
396 2011-02-24 03:00:00 <mekel> o rly....???
397 2011-02-24 03:00:02 <midnightmagic> i wouldn't know, i don't use diablo..
398 2011-02-24 03:00:06 <Kiba> damn
399 2011-02-24 03:00:16 <mekel> how
400 2011-02-24 03:00:24 <Kiba> Nefario quited
401 2011-02-24 03:00:30 <andrew12> "i'm minin solo"
402 2011-02-24 03:00:32 <mekel> lmao
403 2011-02-24 03:00:35 <bk128> midnightmagic: you can use the web install disk of debian. web install cd is under 200 megs
404 2011-02-24 03:00:35 <Kiba> nobody wants to write for me
405 2011-02-24 03:00:35 <mekel> hey how do i  mine solo
406 2011-02-24 03:00:36 <mekel> i dnt care bout size relly
407 2011-02-24 03:00:45 <mekel> how do u mine solo
408 2011-02-24 03:00:49 <lfm> mekel: use your own bitcoind instead of pool
409 2011-02-24 03:00:56 <mekel> o rly
410 2011-02-24 03:00:59 <Syke> run "bitcoin -server"
411 2011-02-24 03:01:15 <bk128> lfm: all you need is fglrx and the ati streamsdk 2.1 driver
412 2011-02-24 03:01:17 <mekel> install drivers + sdk then just run bitcoind?
413 2011-02-24 03:01:18 <lfm> or that
414 2011-02-24 03:01:22 <mekel> whats fglrx
415 2011-02-24 03:01:32 <bk128> ati's proprietary driver for linux
416 2011-02-24 03:01:35 <Syke> i'm thinking a 6950 might need something newer than stream 2.1
417 2011-02-24 03:01:41 <lfm> fglrx is the ati x driver
418 2011-02-24 03:01:41 <mekel> i thot sinze its the 6950 i had to use 2.3
419 2011-02-24 03:01:44 <midnightmagic> mekel: ati/amd catalyst driver.
420 2011-02-24 03:01:45 <bk128> you have to add a non-free repository and then apt-get install fglrx
421 2011-02-24 03:01:49 <xelister> mekel:  yarly - ATI is too bussy sucking dong in Hongkong to write a correct driver for the hardware their sell
422 2011-02-24 03:01:55 <mekel> catalyst 11.2 ui think
423 2011-02-24 03:02:03 <mekel> so wat do i use
424 2011-02-24 03:02:09 <midnightmagic> xelister: did you know that before you cloak, you temporarily join w/ your real IP?
425 2011-02-24 03:02:23 <bk128> midnightmagic: yeah I just saw that
426 2011-02-24 03:02:23 <midnightmagic> xelister (~xe@ip-1-157.gemini.net.pl) <=-- that's you right?
427 2011-02-24 03:02:31 <bk128> probably have to not use autojoin channels
428 2011-02-24 03:02:33 <lfm> mekel: depends which ati card you have
429 2011-02-24 03:02:34 <xelister> midnightmagic: in recent few days or way back?
430 2011-02-24 03:02:36 <bk128> or use i2p
431 2011-02-24 03:02:36 <Syke> http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ati-driver-installer-11-2-x86.x86_64.run
432 2011-02-24 03:02:42 <bk128> no, dont use that
433 2011-02-24 03:02:44 <bk128> use fglrx
434 2011-02-24 03:03:12 <midnightmagic> xelister: as far back as i remember.
435 2011-02-24 03:03:19 <xelister> midnightmagic: yeah that is one my vpses
436 2011-02-24 03:03:26 <xelister> midnightmagic: so it happens always?
437 2011-02-24 03:03:35 <mekel> why should i use fglrx ovr the real drivers
438 2011-02-24 03:03:35 <xelister> what it is with IT and Fail. all fails.  even cloaks
439 2011-02-24 03:03:38 <xelister> meh ;)
440 2011-02-24 03:04:13 <midnightmagic> i use 10-12 and it seems to be functional.. i think.
441 2011-02-24 03:04:25 <midnightmagic> xelister: pretty much.
442 2011-02-24 03:04:25 <xelister> mekel: fglrx is the real driver (the one writtien by Ati/AMD, the one that you need to have opencl, and the one that have lots of bugs, yeap)
443 2011-02-24 03:04:27 <lfm> bk128 the ati-driver IS fglrx
444 2011-02-24 03:04:36 <bk128> I thought it was different
445 2011-02-24 03:04:43 <bk128> use the distro one
446 2011-02-24 03:04:59 <xelister> bk128: actually both are quite ok
447 2011-02-24 03:05:04 <xelister> both work for mining
448 2011-02-24 03:05:06 <xelister> both have bugs
449 2011-02-24 03:05:11 <lfm> most people use the ati-driver direct from ati instaed of any distro package
450 2011-02-24 03:05:14 <xelister> I dont see big difference  distro vs amd's
451 2011-02-24 03:05:23 <midnightmagic> the distro one makes me a sad panda and is behind. or was.
452 2011-02-24 03:05:30 <lfm> distro is old versin usually
453 2011-02-24 03:05:33 <mekel> can u use itunes to burn iso's
454 2011-02-24 03:05:45 <midnightmagic> if you are on a mac, just use the disk manager.
455 2011-02-24 03:06:15 <xelister> one of ati developer made me a sad panda when I was in junior school
456 2011-02-24 03:06:22 <xelister> and then he started touching me too lol
457 2011-02-24 03:06:51 <lfm> xelister: shut up you perv
458 2011-02-24 03:06:53 <xelister> hm. perhaps if we all make such stories and call police in faggistan (usa) we can replace entire Ati driver stuff with competent deves?
459 2011-02-24 03:07:03 <xelister> devels
460 2011-02-24 03:08:02 <midnightmagic> xelister: you're kind of a venomous little person aren't you?
461 2011-02-24 03:08:45 <midnightmagic> :)
462 2011-02-24 03:08:49 <xelister> I was happy till ~2005, then  started using ATI All In Wonder Card.  It's a wonder how they released it to market, because it was crashing *all the time* even on windows :o
463 2011-02-24 03:09:25 <xelister> =)
464 2011-02-24 03:09:27 <midnightmagic> so ATI ruined your outlook, your cheerfulness, and pretty much your life, all because you refuse to stop using it?
465 2011-02-24 03:09:43 <mekel> also
466 2011-02-24 03:09:53 <mekel> is it gunna be a bitch gettin my usb wifi card to run?
467 2011-02-24 03:09:56 <lfm> crashing all the time == rma
468 2011-02-24 03:10:47 <lfm> mekel: that is one of the things that ubuntu seems to do better than most distro imo
469 2011-02-24 03:10:58 <mekel> sweet..
470 2011-02-24 03:11:04 <xelister> lfm: well people including ArtForz can confirm man of the bugs in Ati driver, they are well known.  Back then I didnt had such wide sample of users, but Im quite sure they had such bad drivers always ;)
471 2011-02-24 03:11:28 <midnightmagic> i bumped into a bunch in the ADL just fixing art's fan controller to work on my systems.
472 2011-02-24 03:12:00 <mekel> is there any programs im gunna need to install just to make sure the systems functioning right once ubuntu is running
473 2011-02-24 03:12:30 <xelister> mekel: hm?
474 2011-02-24 03:12:42 <mekel> likee
475 2011-02-24 03:12:55 <lfm> it should run for civilian type things out of the box
476 2011-02-24 03:12:57 <mekel> how do i check to see what drivers arent installed
477 2011-02-24 03:13:12 <xelister> midnightmagic: Im cheerful when not doing software lol. Cant belive how much FAIL there is in all software (including mine probably ;)
478 2011-02-24 03:13:15 <lfm> see if firefox runs and stuff like that
479 2011-02-24 03:13:24 <midnightmagic> "Be safe from instability caused by fractional reserve banking and central banks." [But be completely beholden to Art's market manipulation!]
480 2011-02-24 03:13:37 <midnightmagic> xelister: read the Tao of Programming and be at peace. :)
481 2011-02-24 03:13:48 <xelister> mekel: run  gltron   game in ubuntu it uses 3d.  if it runs then you probaly have some driver running.
482 2011-02-24 03:14:02 <lfm> midnightmagic bitcoin does not preclude fractional reserve banking
483 2011-02-24 03:14:05 <mekel> alrighty
484 2011-02-24 03:14:34 <midnightmagic> lfm: I'm just reading through #bc-news
485 2011-02-24 03:14:34 <xelister> cant this banking exist also  with btc?
486 2011-02-24 03:14:36 <Syke> just open the ati control panel. that'll tell you if the video driver is installed
487 2011-02-24 03:14:58 <mekel> hm
488 2011-02-24 03:14:59 <lfm> midnightmagic ok just dont beleive everything you read
489 2011-02-24 03:15:35 <lfm> catalyst control panel
490 2011-02-24 03:15:39 <mekel> ryt
491 2011-02-24 03:15:51 <midnightmagic> lfm: i'm not One Of Those people. :) don't worry. i wouldn't have built my miners if i could think of a good reason not to.
492 2011-02-24 03:16:42 <mekel> how do u start building mienrs
493 2011-02-24 03:16:46 <mekel> just run with ur friends or self?
494 2011-02-24 03:16:54 <mekel> how to u like gain benefits from mining
495 2011-02-24 03:16:57 <mmagic> i wouldn't with the current difficulty scaling up.
496 2011-02-24 03:16:59 <mekel> do*
497 2011-02-24 03:17:04 <mmagic> i started in december.
498 2011-02-24 03:17:23 <mekel> has it been profitable?
499 2011-02-24 03:17:30 <lfm> mekel:  what gpu do you have?
500 2011-02-24 03:17:36 <mekel> 6950 hd
501 2011-02-24 03:17:39 <mmagic> for me? i'm canadian, power is cheaper for me than it is for anybody.
502 2011-02-24 03:17:45 <xelister> midnightmagic: also USA faggotry is sad hehe. Killing people is fine if it is "for the Oi^H country" bad 2 teenagers in love are sexual predators and should be imprisoned. World is retarded =)
503 2011-02-24 03:17:46 <mekel> nice
504 2011-02-24 03:18:17 <xelister> s/bad/but
505 2011-02-24 03:18:22 <lfm> mekel: ok thats not bad, choose a gpu miner and start making money (optionally choose a pool to join)
506 2011-02-24 03:18:31 <xelister> mmagic: how much per kWh ?
507 2011-02-24 03:19:04 <mekel> which miner is easiest for linux
508 2011-02-24 03:19:08 <mmagic> xelister: $0.065 CAD, minus the savings in heat recycling.
509 2011-02-24 03:19:10 <mekel> ubunutu
510 2011-02-24 03:19:24 <xelister> mekel: is that mining-only or desktop computer? on 6xxx cards it seems to eat all cpu on sdk2.3
511 2011-02-24 03:19:26 <mmagic> which means my gas bill is much smaller now than it was..
512 2011-02-24 03:19:31 <lfm> mekel: m0mchill or diablo
513 2011-02-24 03:19:38 <mekel> just mining tbh
514 2011-02-24 03:19:49 <lfm> mekel: maybe pudinpop even
515 2011-02-24 03:19:49 <mekel> i hav a 9800m gts on a windows laptop for all my gaming needs etc
516 2011-02-24 03:20:04 <mmagic> xelister: and on 5870 and 5970 too.
517 2011-02-24 03:20:11 <mekel> for the 6950 which is eziest?
518 2011-02-24 03:20:25 <mekel> same answers?
519 2011-02-24 03:20:27 <lfm> theyd all be about the same
520 2011-02-24 03:20:31 <mekel> kk
521 2011-02-24 03:21:26 <lfm> for m0mchil you need python and some python packages, for diablo you need java and a java package. not sure about pudinpop's
522 2011-02-24 03:21:57 <xelister> mekel: I like diablo's better
523 2011-02-24 03:22:26 <xelister> mekel: I sent you a PM. If you can not respond to me in PM (you are using web irc) then tell me here
524 2011-02-24 03:23:03 <xelister> mmagic: although normally electrical heating is the more expensive one afair, then gas/
525 2011-02-24 03:23:20 <lfm> xelister: true
526 2011-02-24 03:23:43 <mmagic> xelister: it is WAYYYY more expensive.
527 2011-02-24 03:24:01 <xelister> btw, anyone uses MSN?
528 2011-02-24 03:24:17 <xelister> I just wanted to test if it works well, with someone that also has msn
529 2011-02-24 03:24:23 <lfm> even with cdn low power rates, gas heat is cheaper
530 2011-02-24 03:25:01 <mmagic> xelister: so i'm already winning, but now i'm winning more. i don't think the heat has actually come on since i started mining. (in-floor radiant heat, fired by a combo floor/hot water boiler)
531 2011-02-24 03:25:10 <mmagic> lfm: definitely..!
532 2011-02-24 03:27:24 <mmagic> i'm just very glad it's still winter.. :-(
533 2011-02-24 03:28:00 <lfm> mmagic: so how many watts are your miners pulling?
534 2011-02-24 03:28:40 <Syke> installing java for DiabloMiner is as simple as "sudo apt-get install openjdk-6-jre"
535 2011-02-24 03:29:18 <lfm> sure easy to guess that
536 2011-02-24 03:30:22 <xelister> mmagic: same here =)
537 2011-02-24 03:30:49 <Syke> or you can go to the Ubuntu Software Center applet and search for java
538 2011-02-24 03:30:53 <xelister> I guess canadians have naturally better env for bitcoin
539 2011-02-24 03:31:20 <lfm> xelister: in the winter at least
540 2011-02-24 03:31:35 <xelister> wait, isnt there always winter there :P
541 2011-02-24 03:31:48 <lfm> :)
542 2011-02-24 03:34:12 <xelister> ;;bc,stat 300000
543 2011-02-24 03:34:14 <gribble> Error: "bc,stat" is not a valid command.
544 2011-02-24 03:34:18 <xelister> ;;bc,stats 300000
545 2011-02-24 03:34:20 <gribble> Current Blocks: 110065 | Current Difficulty: 36459.88692508 | Next Difficulty At Block: 110879 | Next Difficulty In: 814 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 0 hours, 19 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 51002.88282725
546 2011-02-24 03:34:22 <xelister> ;;bc,calc 300000
547 2011-02-24 03:34:24 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 300000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 6 days, 0 hours, 59 minutes, and 40 seconds
548 2011-02-24 03:34:33 <xelister> ;;bc,calc 530000
549 2011-02-24 03:34:34 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 530000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 3 days, 10 hours, 4 minutes, and 20 seconds
550 2011-02-24 03:34:44 <xelister> mekel: ^ likethat.  bc,calc
551 2011-02-24 03:34:54 <xelister> holly shit 51,000 estimated next diff. fuuuuuu.
552 2011-02-24 03:38:37 <xelister> the diff is too high
553 2011-02-24 03:38:54 <xelister> we should petition devels to reset the mainnet too =)
554 2011-02-24 03:40:51 <Syke> I'm too ADD, I need a block to show up every couple days or I freak out.
555 2011-02-24 03:41:35 <validus> thats when you just find mroe stuff to occupy yourself so your productive
556 2011-02-24 03:41:36 <validus> thats what i do
557 2011-02-24 03:41:55 <andrew12> find a way to procrastinate efficiently
558 2011-02-24 03:42:06 <xelister> YT search video on Procastination
559 2011-02-24 03:42:07 <validus> i have 8 programs open. 4 networks. and 9 tabs open
560 2011-02-24 03:42:12 <validus> thats how i manage ADD
561 2011-02-24 03:42:12 <xelister> it is actually a very good video
562 2011-02-24 03:42:17 <validus> lol
563 2011-02-24 03:42:36 <xelister> no really, just 5 minutes. there are like 3 this videos on this topic (2 by same artist, all cartoon)
564 2011-02-24 03:42:41 <andrew12> 7 nets here
565 2011-02-24 03:42:54 <validus> 7 too many. i have to keep up with all of em
566 2011-02-24 03:42:59 <andrew12> 38 irssi windows
567 2011-02-24 03:43:02 <validus> well i cant say that i used to be on 9
568 2011-02-24 03:43:12 <validus> i only have 12 query tabs open to. im doing good
569 2011-02-24 03:44:43 <xelister> andrew12: wtf 38
570 2011-02-24 03:44:57 <andrew12> lol
571 2011-02-24 03:46:06 <validus> thats the way it works
572 2011-02-24 03:46:31 <validus> i have 31 windows open in tree view counting highlights and other things i have seperate
573 2011-02-24 03:47:14 <validus> and thats cut down :/
574 2011-02-24 03:47:23 <xelister> btw speaking of VPN
575 2011-02-24 03:47:47 <xelister> anyone would be interested in sponsoring some for-freedom servers, like running a TOR or Freenet server
576 2011-02-24 03:47:57 <andrew12> anyone wanna make sure all of these are compatible for me? http://codepad.org/E5Ra5rPe
577 2011-02-24 03:47:58 <xelister> (but not exit node thou ;)
578 2011-02-24 03:48:09 <andrew12> xelister: you mean bitcoin nodes?
579 2011-02-24 03:48:17 <andrew12> or just a relay?
580 2011-02-24 03:48:21 <xelister> andrew12: no I ment tor and freenet nodes
581 2011-02-24 03:48:31 <andrew12> define "sponsoring"
582 2011-02-24 03:48:58 <xelister> like, have a loose change in BTC -> I will run (more) such servers for you (also you can connect to them e.g. darkfriend in freenet).  24/7 big discs and all cool
583 2011-02-24 03:49:16 <xelister> I already run few 'for the cause' but could do more with some funds for more hw
584 2011-02-24 03:49:27 <andrew12> not i
585 2011-02-24 03:49:35 <validus> so give you bitcoins to run them?
586 2011-02-24 03:49:43 <xelister> yea that could be one idea
587 2011-02-24 03:49:48 <nanotube> there's already torservers.net that accepts bitcoins
588 2011-02-24 03:49:50 <xelister> if you are in a mood for donations
589 2011-02-24 03:50:00 <nanotube> they run some real beefy nodes
590 2011-02-24 03:50:03 <validus> i have nothign against donations cept i hash at 7500 in pooled
591 2011-02-24 03:50:08 <validus> i dont gots it
592 2011-02-24 03:50:17 <validus> i have like .65 i think
593 2011-02-24 03:50:43 <xelister> more unique idea is to sponsor devlopment of bitcoin-over-freenet protocol implemenation :)  </self-marketing>
594 2011-02-24 03:50:54 <validus> i think its going to take 5 - 8 weeks for this student loan to come in
595 2011-02-24 03:50:58 <validus> then ill have $$ for a new pc
596 2011-02-24 03:51:11 <validus> i just havent decided what to put in it yet
597 2011-02-24 03:51:41 <validus> but i'll have 2 grand and the 27" monitor is about 99% confirmed heh
598 2011-02-24 03:51:43 <xelister> I belive it can be most anonymous totally untracable addition for bitcoin ever.  And totally avoids blocking.  TOR is good too, but tor /was/ few times both cracked (demasked users) and blocked (eh china. bridges are targeted too)
599 2011-02-24 03:51:55 <validus> i like https anywhere
600 2011-02-24 03:52:05 <validus> doesnt really need nothign special or special addresses
601 2011-02-24 03:52:15 <mekel> bb in a litle bit
602 2011-02-24 03:52:18 <xelister> mmm 27" sweet. whar resolutoin?
603 2011-02-24 03:52:19 <nanotube> xelister: what does toad_ think about your idea? have you gotten his feedback?
604 2011-02-24 03:52:30 <xelister> nanotube: hes too bussy still to review it all
605 2011-02-24 03:52:34 <validus> i havent got it yet. im on a 20 inch one atm
606 2011-02-24 03:52:45 <validus> im looking at differnet systems. the real suprise was when i compared 3 custom sites to newegg
607 2011-02-24 03:52:58 <validus> if you took off neweggs mir and isntant savings they were almost the same
608 2011-02-24 03:53:04 <xelister> nanotube: but I discuessed the draft a bit with him and other freener adv users, we agree this idea seems fine. full text of protocol is on the forum
609 2011-02-24 03:53:09 <nanotube> xelister: already accepting bitcoin donations, though. :)
610 2011-02-24 03:53:16 <nanotube> freenet is, that is.
611 2011-02-24 03:53:28 <xelister> nanotube: yeap.  btw I was first one to got toad here ;)
612 2011-02-24 03:53:31 <validus> i have like 2 90 gig hdds i coudl put up on an auction for bitcoins
613 2011-02-24 03:53:37 <validus> but if i got like .10 or something id be pissed as hell
614 2011-02-24 03:53:50 <validus> that dont even cover going to ship it lol
615 2011-02-24 03:53:51 <xelister> and da2ce7 was first to sponsor a bounty (for the SPECYFICATION of bitcoin-over-freenet)
616 2011-02-24 03:54:11 <da2ce7> :)
617 2011-02-24 03:56:09 <xelister> heh I seen a cheap 50" monitor-tv
618 2011-02-24 03:56:25 <validus> i heard dont go over 46" for tv as monitor
619 2011-02-24 03:56:30 <xelister> 50" !!! wow.  *masturbates*   just ~1000 usd!
620 2011-02-24 03:56:33 <validus> and i know 4 differnet ppl that use 46" 1080p tv's as monitors
621 2011-02-24 03:56:39 <xelister> ... it was an.... 768x560 pixels tv!!!! wt?? :D
622 2011-02-24 03:56:54 <validus> max a tv can do is 1080p resolution.
623 2011-02-24 03:56:57 <xelister> I think someone will fall for this idiotic model hehe
624 2011-02-24 03:56:58 <nanotube> validus: so just put a starting price that you'll be happy with.
625 2011-02-24 03:57:07 <xelister> 1080 p is crap.  1920x1280 for the win (or more)
626 2011-02-24 03:57:19 <validus> LFD is fail
627 2011-02-24 03:57:29 <validus> i think newegg had an 82 inch LFD that did 1080p max for 60 grand
628 2011-02-24 03:57:43 <validus> was just insanely retarded
629 2011-02-24 03:57:44 <xelister> the  'hd' is crap
630 2011-02-24 03:57:59 <validus> 1080 is max resolution you'd need anyways
631 2011-02-24 03:58:00 <xelister> look, this big ass TV does almost HALF of the resolution I had on CRT in 2008.
632 2011-02-24 03:58:15 <xelister> validus: not for computer use
633 2011-02-24 03:58:20 <validus> it still looks good. you can ttell me full blu rays look like shit
634 2011-02-24 03:58:25 <lfm> yup, aint it great
635 2011-02-24 03:58:33 <xelister> movies are other case.  but I have pc use in mind
636 2011-02-24 03:58:35 <validus> if so you got one horrible ass tv
637 2011-02-24 03:58:52 <validus> i know ppl that use the tv as a monitor and if your runing 1920 x whatever anyways. its perfectly fine
638 2011-02-24 03:59:00 <validus> if you want to get into the 2000 range then thats different
639 2011-02-24 03:59:01 <lfm> validus: you think 1080 is good?
640 2011-02-24 03:59:20 <validus> i think 1080p is just fine, 1920 x 1080 (iirc - i always get the last #'s confused)
641 2011-02-24 03:59:27 <xelister> yea I ment that  1920x1280 is neat.  x1080 less neat, and I could had like.   2000x1400 on CRT 3 YEAS AGO lol
642 2011-02-24 03:59:37 <validus> i can only do 1600 x 900
643 2011-02-24 03:59:57 <validus> if you read on the large format displays. most dont go over 1080p resolustion. id ont know if you can tweak that or not
644 2011-02-24 04:00:00 <validus> but the cost difference is extreme
645 2011-02-24 04:00:04 <nanotube> xelister: cool, good work then, on getting toad in. :)
646 2011-02-24 04:00:19 <validus> id rather buy the tv at 1080p than the monitor at 1080p
647 2011-02-24 04:00:37 <validus> large format displays get pricey really fast
648 2011-02-24 04:00:45 <validus> and most say max resolution is 1920 x 1280
649 2011-02-24 04:01:13 <validus> so id rather have a tv running full 1080p at a bigger size and save money than a monitor thatd be half the size doing more
650 2011-02-24 04:01:57 <validus> i heard after 46" though it can get a lil wonky on the way text displays as thats the only real complaint from what i hear. might take some tweaking
651 2011-02-24 04:02:19 <validus> but the people i know that use tv's love it. and it works for all their needs
652 2011-02-24 04:02:27 <validus> they just play games and rip full bdr's all day
653 2011-02-24 04:12:06 <lfm> validus: so you think 1080 is good?
654 2011-02-24 04:12:18 <validus> i dont think its bad
655 2011-02-24 04:16:44 <Diablo-D3> [11:59:57] <validus> if you read on the large format displays. most dont go over 1080p resolustion. id ont know if you can tweak that or not
656 2011-02-24 04:16:46 <Diablo-D3> why would they?
657 2011-02-24 04:16:49 <Diablo-D3> they're TVs.
658 2011-02-24 04:16:59 <Diablo-D3> HDMI maxes out at 1920x1200
659 2011-02-24 04:17:00 <validus> cuz their sold as lfd and not tv's
660 2011-02-24 04:17:07 <validus> and the price is jacked up
661 2011-02-24 04:17:13 <Diablo-D3> if its HDMI or single link DVI, thats all you get.
662 2011-02-24 04:17:18 <validus> why id buy a tv instead of a lfd
663 2011-02-24 04:17:20 <Diablo-D3> you need displayport or dual link DVI to get bigger.
664 2011-02-24 04:17:59 <Diablo-D3> and btw, its all about distance on what you choose
665 2011-02-24 04:18:08 <Diablo-D3> there are people with home theatres big enough for 150"
666 2011-02-24 04:18:13 <Diablo-D3> you just sit back like 15 feet.
667 2011-02-24 04:18:17 <validus> ya i know someone with 103"
668 2011-02-24 04:18:20 <validus> just not around here
669 2011-02-24 04:18:24 <validus> thats just nuts to me
670 2011-02-24 04:18:30 <Diablo-D3> its all about distance.
671 2011-02-24 04:18:37 <Diablo-D3> you buy to what your distance is.
672 2011-02-24 04:18:38 <validus> ya
673 2011-02-24 04:20:08 <Diablo-D3> now, I have a 26" monitor
674 2011-02-24 04:20:22 <Diablo-D3> recommended THX viewing distance is 2.9 feet.
675 2011-02-24 04:21:20 <Diablo-D3> a monitor typically sits 2-3 feet infront of someone's face
676 2011-02-24 04:22:40 <validus> mine sits back a lil farther, but i use a recliner as a pc chair
677 2011-02-24 04:23:07 <Diablo-D3> then... shouldnt it sit farther forwards?
678 2011-02-24 04:23:43 <validus> nah its fine the distance i have. just small text is hard to read sometimes heh
679 2011-02-24 04:28:41 <mmagic> lfm: re: your question of how many watts i'm pulling: more than enough to expect to hear from the safety inspector soon-ish, esp. for all the additional circuits i had to add to my panel..
680 2011-02-24 04:30:49 <Diablo-D3> heh
681 2011-02-24 04:31:00 <Diablo-D3> its not hard to put extra shit in
682 2011-02-24 04:32:18 <bk128> I added a 15A circuit for my miners
683 2011-02-24 04:32:41 <bk128> pulled it through the existing conduit.  just rewired one outlet to be on a separate breaker
684 2011-02-24 04:34:20 <mekel> okay guys! im now presently installing ubuntu 10.10
685 2011-02-24 04:34:22 <mekel> just put the disc in
686 2011-02-24 04:34:35 <lfm> wtg
687 2011-02-24 04:35:49 <mekel> booting ftw
688 2011-02-24 04:37:27 <mekel> im installing it with out an internet connection i hope thats not a big deal
689 2011-02-24 04:37:38 <mekel> i hav to install wifi after its done installing the full os
690 2011-02-24 04:40:22 <mekel> holy shit
691 2011-02-24 04:40:25 <mekel> my wifi works already
692 2011-02-24 04:40:26 <mekel> epic
693 2011-02-24 04:40:42 <mekel> i am impressed as hell
694 2011-02-24 04:42:44 <Diablo-D3> http://images.4chan.org/m/src/1298525753179.gif
695 2011-02-24 04:42:45 <Diablo-D3> ffff
696 2011-02-24 04:44:00 <mmagic> Diablo-D3: I had to add 6 new circuits. No, it's not hard, but it's fiddly when you're working with 12/2..
697 2011-02-24 04:44:06 <Diablo-D3> heh
698 2011-02-24 04:48:39 <mekel> so hav any of you bought a virtual credit card with ur btc's yet?
699 2011-02-24 04:48:58 <nanotube> mekel: bitcoin2cc?
700 2011-02-24 04:49:10 <mekel> yeah'
701 2011-02-24 04:49:28 <nanotube> haven't used them, but many people have, and madhatter is reputable
702 2011-02-24 04:49:41 <mekel> cool
703 2011-02-24 04:49:59 <alkor> Are there any plans to switch the official configuration scripts to cmake?
704 2011-02-24 04:49:59 <mekel> i wonder how hard it is to make moeny doin that
705 2011-02-24 04:50:19 <alkor> I would like to add Bitcoin to Homebrew for easy installation on Apple computers.
706 2011-02-24 04:50:54 <alkor> That would allow one to easily install Bitcoin from source by simply typing "brew install bitcoin"
707 2011-02-24 04:51:39 <mekel> tru
708 2011-02-24 04:53:57 <mmagic> down with cmake, switch to Jam.
709 2011-02-24 04:53:59 <mmagic> :)
710 2011-02-24 04:54:41 <mekel> whats cmake and jam
711 2011-02-24 04:54:44 <nanotube> down with cmake, switch to python. lol.
712 2011-02-24 04:55:07 <mekel> cmake is to compile code ryt>?
713 2011-02-24 04:55:26 <gribble> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CMake | CMake is a unified, cross-platform, open-source build system that allows developers to build, test and package software by specifying build parameters in ...
714 2011-02-24 04:55:26 <nanotube> ;;wp cmake
715 2011-02-24 04:55:34 <nanotube> mekel: --^ :)
716 2011-02-24 04:57:33 <alkor> cmake is a replacement for autotools
717 2011-02-24 04:57:54 <Diablo-D3> except its shit and no one should use it
718 2011-02-24 04:57:58 <mmagic> down with autotools! up with cmake!
719 2011-02-24 04:58:03 <alkor> Why is it shit?
720 2011-02-24 04:58:19 <mmagic> down with autotools AND cmake! up with diablo!
721 2011-02-24 04:58:37 <Diablo-D3> autotools works fine
722 2011-02-24 04:58:50 <Diablo-D3> if you dont know how to use autotools, you cant code.
723 2011-02-24 04:59:01 <mekel> thanks grib
724 2011-02-24 04:59:29 <mekel> are u supposed to get a lib module failure error after installing ubuntu and rebooting for the first time
725 2011-02-24 04:59:31 <mmagic> down with people who can't be arsed to grok endless streams of incompatible m4 macros! up with real coders!
726 2011-02-24 04:59:36 <mekel> it then skipped to the loading screen
727 2011-02-24 04:59:57 <Diablo-D3> mmagic: dude
728 2011-02-24 05:00:03 <Diablo-D3> unless you're _writing_ a macro
729 2011-02-24 05:00:46 <Diablo-D3> who cares about m4
730 2011-02-24 05:01:47 <mmagic> up with dudes, DOWN with people who care about m4!
731 2011-02-24 05:02:16 <Diablo-D3> m4 is very simple to use.
732 2011-02-24 05:02:20 <lfm> I like m4
733 2011-02-24 05:02:22 <alkor> OK, but bitcoin doesn't even use autotools
734 2011-02-24 05:02:24 <alkor> It has custom makefiles for each platform.
735 2011-02-24 05:02:26 <lfm> you only need autotools when a simple makefile fails
736 2011-02-24 05:02:32 <alkor> OK
737 2011-02-24 05:02:34 <mmagic> down with ease of autotools integration, UP with the FSF agenda and toeskin-chewing hippies! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I25UeVXrEHQ
738 2011-02-24 05:02:47 <mmagic> nom nom gnom nom..
739 2011-02-24 05:06:51 <mmagic> can't.. unsee.. can't.. unsee..
740 2011-02-24 05:09:38 <mekel> will fglrx work for ati hd 6950's?
741 2011-02-24 05:10:39 <discHead> Stallman is in a class all by himself :)
742 2011-02-24 05:10:39 <mmagic> good question. :) please let us know if it does..
743 2011-02-24 05:11:32 <discHead> But who am I to judge... people in glass houses, and all that
744 2011-02-24 05:12:46 <mmagic> dude, do you chew your own toenails in front of a classroom of people while someone is taping you?
745 2011-02-24 05:12:55 <lfm> if you get a version new enuf, yes fglrx is the only ati opencl driver
746 2011-02-24 05:13:25 <mmagic> or..  foot skin or whatever the hell it is he pulled out of his toes? :)
747 2011-02-24 05:13:29 <mekel> word
748 2011-02-24 05:14:13 <mekel> whats the newest version of fglrx
749 2011-02-24 05:14:28 <lfm> 11-2 i think but that might be too new
750 2011-02-24 05:14:29 <mmagic> it's on the AMD website in the support section..
751 2011-02-24 05:14:38 <mekel> o its made by amd
752 2011-02-24 05:15:46 <mmagic> AMD bought ATI and gobbled them right up...
753 2011-02-24 05:15:49 <discHead> Oh certainly not. In front of a bunch of people and a camera? No way.
754 2011-02-24 05:16:20 <mekel> oo
755 2011-02-24 05:16:29 <discHead> But who knows, maybe he discovered some peanut butter or something.
756 2011-02-24 05:17:54 <mmagic> discHead: But I totally agree. Glass houses indeed..
757 2011-02-24 05:18:41 <discHead> :-)
758 2011-02-24 05:20:13 <lfm> mmagic: amd baught ati and they still seem to be separate
759 2011-02-24 05:20:58 <mmagic> lfm: they seem to be a little schismed sometimes..  some thing are ATI, some things are AMD. the ATI name is still pretty strong in there for sure.
760 2011-02-24 05:26:41 <mekel> sooo ubuntu takes forever to install 250mb worth of updates
761 2011-02-24 05:27:29 <soultcer> You rather install 1GB of updates on Windows 7 and wait for forever + 1?
762 2011-02-24 05:27:41 <mmagic> simon says, silence the heretic!
763 2011-02-24 05:29:49 <nanotube> woo topic
764 2011-02-24 05:31:49 <nameless> |http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plXiKor92J8 NSFW
765 2011-02-24 05:31:56 <nameless> |err
766 2011-02-24 05:32:09 <nameless> |where is the topic?
767 2011-02-24 05:32:17 <nameless> |Friggin irssi!
768 2011-02-24 05:32:29 <nameless> |There we go
769 2011-02-24 05:33:58 <da2ce7> lol
770 2011-02-24 05:35:11 <mekel> what do i do with .run files
771 2011-02-24 05:35:17 <mekel> for lke my new ati driver
772 2011-02-24 05:35:19 <mekel> like*
773 2011-02-24 05:35:25 <Diablo-D3> you delete them.
774 2011-02-24 05:35:33 <mekel> how do i run it?
775 2011-02-24 05:35:34 <Diablo-D3> do not use them if you are a noob
776 2011-02-24 05:35:37 <Diablo-D3> I will not bail you out
777 2011-02-24 05:35:42 <mekel> but
778 2011-02-24 05:35:46 <mekel> i hav to install my video card driver
779 2011-02-24 05:35:47 <lfm> mekel chmod _x *.run
780 2011-02-24 05:35:54 <lfm> mekel chmod +x *.run
781 2011-02-24 05:35:55 <Diablo-D3> only use drivers packaged by your distro
782 2011-02-24 05:36:08 <mekel> i thot i was..
783 2011-02-24 05:36:13 <mekel> what O_O
784 2011-02-24 05:36:15 <mekel> is goin on
785 2011-02-24 05:36:19 <mmagic> simon is appeased... http://www.hackcanada.com/canadian/zines/spacemoose/simon_says.gif
786 2011-02-24 05:36:22 <mekel> where do i find the driver packaged by my distro
787 2011-02-24 05:36:27 <lfm> Diablo-D3: the drivers from ati woork fine
788 2011-02-24 05:36:28 <mekel> for the hd 6950
789 2011-02-24 05:36:31 <Diablo-D3> lfm: not for idiots.
790 2011-02-24 05:36:37 <Diablo-D3> lfm: install debian, grab it from exp.
791 2011-02-24 05:36:54 <mekel> u want me to install debian?
792 2011-02-24 05:36:57 <mekel> i just installed ubuntu
793 2011-02-24 05:37:05 <lfm> right, and if the idiot is already installed ubuntu?
794 2011-02-24 05:37:11 <mekel> u guys told me too..
795 2011-02-24 05:37:16 <Diablo-D3> then dont own a 6950.
796 2011-02-24 05:37:30 <lfm> great advice
797 2011-02-24 05:37:33 <mekel> *sigh*
798 2011-02-24 05:37:47 <Diablo-D3> ubuntu is shit, dont use it.
799 2011-02-24 05:38:02 <mekel> im usin it lol
800 2011-02-24 05:38:03 <mmagic> mekel: you chmod 0755, then ./*.run
801 2011-02-24 05:38:12 <mekel> ok. . ..
802 2011-02-24 05:38:14 <Diablo-D3> mmagic: and you're an idiot
803 2011-02-24 05:38:15 <mmagic> ignore Diablo, he's mildly hydrocephalic
804 2011-02-24 05:38:17 <Diablo-D3> you dont have to chmod it.
805 2011-02-24 05:38:37 <Diablo-D3> sudo bash ./file.run
806 2011-02-24 05:38:40 <mmagic> no, you could also bash *.run or sh *.run, but what's the point?
807 2011-02-24 05:39:00 <mekel> replace file with the name of it?
808 2011-02-24 05:39:02 <Diablo-D3> mekel: anyhow, ubuntu will happily break your system some time after installing those.
809 2011-02-24 05:39:10 <Diablo-D3> do not use amd's installers.
810 2011-02-24 05:39:25 <Diablo-D3> and isnt 11.2 already in ubuntu's unstable branch?
811 2011-02-24 05:39:26 <mmagic> i'm using it fine and I've upgraded system-wide twice.
812 2011-02-24 05:39:29 <lfm> easier to just avoid debian
813 2011-02-24 05:39:47 <mmagic> i can't get off the crack known as apt-get..
814 2011-02-24 05:39:57 <mekel> so
815 2011-02-24 05:39:58 <Diablo-D3> lfm: stfu.
816 2011-02-24 05:40:06 <Diablo-D3> Ive used linux longer than any of you.
817 2011-02-24 05:40:11 <Diablo-D3> Debian is fine.
818 2011-02-24 05:40:23 <lfm> oh?
819 2011-02-24 05:40:29 <mmagic> lol. have you now.
820 2011-02-24 05:40:39 <mmagic> date yourself with provable evidence.
821 2011-02-24 05:40:48 <validus> id use debian before ubuntu
822 2011-02-24 05:40:57 <mmagic> else, simon says Silence the Heretic!
823 2011-02-24 05:41:00 <Diablo-D3> mmagic: Ive been using debian since slink.
824 2011-02-24 05:41:10 <lfm> I was running linux before debian was drempt of
825 2011-02-24 05:41:17 <validus> in fact debian on my 80 gig hdd i have sitting next to my pc lol
826 2011-02-24 05:41:19 <Diablo-D3> lfm: I doubt it
827 2011-02-24 05:41:21 <mmagic> I've been using Linux since before it was available on 32 floppies.
828 2011-02-24 05:41:22 <validus> and salix and slack
829 2011-02-24 05:41:30 <Diablo-D3> that'd have to be either slack or yggdrasil
830 2011-02-24 05:41:36 <lfm> Ever heard of SLS Linux?
831 2011-02-24 05:41:38 <mekel> so i do this? sudo bash ./ati-driver-installer-11-2.run
832 2011-02-24 05:41:43 <validus> never tried haiku
833 2011-02-24 05:41:50 <Diablo-D3> mekel: nope, I just told you dont use it.
834 2011-02-24 05:41:52 <validus> your best bet is not using ati's driver install
835 2011-02-24 05:41:55 <lfm> debian was a spin off from SLS
836 2011-02-24 05:41:56 <validus> you will have major problems
837 2011-02-24 05:41:57 <discHead> Ahh, good ol' Slackware
838 2011-02-24 05:42:05 <validus> fglrx
839 2011-02-24 05:42:06 <Diablo-D3> lfm: no, a replacement.
840 2011-02-24 05:42:23 <lfm> version 1 of debian was mostly SLS
841 2011-02-24 05:42:33 <mekel> where do i get fglrx i cant find it
842 2011-02-24 05:42:45 <Diablo-D3> mekel: FROM YOUR DISTRO
843 2011-02-24 05:42:52 <mekel> what does that mean
844 2011-02-24 05:42:53 <validus> if your in ubunti it should auto install it or ask you to install restricted drivers
845 2011-02-24 05:42:54 <Diablo-D3> CHECK IF UBUNTU HAS SOMETHING MORE RECENT FROM THEIR UNSTABLE BRANCH
846 2011-02-24 05:42:55 <Diablo-D3> PAY
847 2011-02-24 05:42:57 <Diablo-D3> ATTENTION
848 2011-02-24 05:42:58 <mekel> oh relly
849 2011-02-24 05:43:00 <Diablo-D3> goddamned fucking noobs.
850 2011-02-24 05:43:02 <mmagic> mekel: that will do it. chmod 0755 *.run, sudo ./*.run will also work.
851 2011-02-24 05:43:03 <validus> your going to need google hardcore
852 2011-02-24 05:43:13 <validus> mmagic: your gonna cause his shit to crash installing that
853 2011-02-24 05:43:21 <mekel> thanks for ur help diablo but ur ragin
854 2011-02-24 05:43:21 <validus> i made the mistake of installing that he first time. never again
855 2011-02-24 05:43:25 <mmagic> it's a brand-new system. if it doesn't work, he reinstalls, it's not a big deal.
856 2011-02-24 05:43:31 <lfm> I think he has you on ignore
857 2011-02-24 05:43:40 <mekel> good
858 2011-02-24 05:43:52 <validus> mint and ubuntu both should read a restricted driver and ask you to install it. thats fglrx
859 2011-02-24 05:43:54 <mmagic> validus: I've installed it on about 15 systems now, of various types from ubuntu 9.x through 10.10. it's worked every time for me.
860 2011-02-24 05:44:20 <mekel> wat do u mean mint should read a restricted driver
861 2011-02-24 05:44:21 <validus> then id hit up the ubuntu forums and google to figure the rest out. learn console you will need it
862 2011-02-24 05:44:37 <validus> when you install mint itll ask if you want to install a restricted driver. i.e. your videocard
863 2011-02-24 05:44:44 <mekel> mint?
864 2011-02-24 05:44:54 <validus> mint is based off debian and ubuntu just lightly differnet and really green
865 2011-02-24 05:44:58 <validus> slightly*
866 2011-02-24 05:45:02 <mekel> u want me to install a diff os?
867 2011-02-24 05:45:05 <validus> no
868 2011-02-24 05:45:08 <validus> they both install the same driver
869 2011-02-24 05:45:16 <mekel> oo
870 2011-02-24 05:45:20 <mekel> i see
871 2011-02-24 05:45:21 <validus> goto your menu and start looking it should have a selection for it
872 2011-02-24 05:45:27 <mmagic> mekel: dude. it's a fresh system, don't worry about it. give the .run a shot and see if it works for you.
873 2011-02-24 05:45:39 <mekel> no thx man
874 2011-02-24 05:48:10 <mekel> found the drivr
875 2011-02-24 05:49:38 <mmagic> I remember installing NetBSD 0.9 on my Amiga 3000 when it was released in 1993 or so.. I miss the simple-to-modify source days.
876 2011-02-24 05:50:38 <mekel> is that bak in the day with punch card binary lol
877 2011-02-24 05:51:34 <mmagic> close
878 2011-02-24 05:52:38 <lfm> Ah I have fond memories of PL/1 on punch cards
879 2011-02-24 05:53:05 <mmagic> there..  even crustier than I..
880 2011-02-24 05:53:13 <mekel> so i just installed the fglrx drivr.. do i need to reboot b4 installing the ati sdk v2.3?
881 2011-02-24 05:53:58 <lfm> just restart X if you prefer
882 2011-02-24 05:54:20 <mmagic> and probably crustier than diablo, whose own measure of awesomeness is apparently just age. lfm, I knew you were a tad too mellow. :)
883 2011-02-24 05:54:43 <lfm> too mellow? hehe
884 2011-02-24 05:54:45 <discHead> PL/1 on punch cards?  lfm, now you're REALLY showing your age :)
885 2011-02-24 05:54:45 <mekel> how do i do that
886 2011-02-24 05:54:55 <Diablo-D3> mekel: you dont install the sdk.
887 2011-02-24 05:54:57 <Diablo-D3> you just unpack it
888 2011-02-24 05:55:00 <Diablo-D3> and yes, you need to reboot
889 2011-02-24 05:55:07 <mekel> kk
890 2011-02-24 05:55:30 <lfm> and pdp-8 and pdp-11 assembler on punched paper tape
891 2011-02-24 05:56:07 <discHead> Awesome
892 2011-02-24 05:57:35 <mmagic> old school..  haha, my 1992 posts are still there in google groups.
893 2011-02-24 05:58:24 <discHead> I know... mmagic... thus ensuring none of us will ever be able to run for public office
894 2011-02-24 05:58:49 <mmagic> i think i could, I was pretty polite when i was a kid.
895 2011-02-24 05:59:05 <discHead> Oh, I was polite too. I was just nuts. :-)
896 2011-02-24 06:00:09 <Tril> bitcoin -rpcconnect does not let me use the GUI with the remote bitcoind, does it?
897 2011-02-24 06:00:37 <mmagic> oh.. no.. alt.abortion.inequity. aaand I'm disqualified. :)
898 2011-02-24 06:00:52 <discHead> Doh!
899 2011-02-24 06:01:18 <nanotube> Tril: bitcoin -server
900 2011-02-24 06:01:39 <discHead> mmagic-- ever used an acoustic coupler?
901 2011-02-24 06:02:03 <mmagic> discHead: no, just a vicmodem I had to dial with a handset, and then click over once the tones started.
902 2011-02-24 06:02:15 <Tril> nanotube: I ran a server.. I'm asking if I can control it remotely with a GUI, or only with CLI.
903 2011-02-24 06:02:45 <mmagic> 300 baud. I remember the transition between "I can type faster than that," to "Damn I can't read that fast anymore.."
904 2011-02-24 06:03:10 <nanotube> Tril: ah no i don't think so.
905 2011-02-24 06:03:17 <lfm> 110 baud asr33 teletypes?
906 2011-02-24 06:03:34 <Tril> if I don't put a command on the command line, it just brings up my local wallet in the GUI.
907 2011-02-24 06:03:38 <Tril> so I assume you're right..
908 2011-02-24 06:03:42 <discHead> See, now, THAT'S old school :-)  I think I'm right in between you guys
909 2011-02-24 06:03:45 <mmagic> i used to call 1-800-555-1212 and manually ask for the names of technology-sounding companies, and then call them up individually and ask them for data lines..
910 2011-02-24 06:03:47 <Kiba> MT`AwAy: hello
911 2011-02-24 06:03:49 <Kiba> MT`AwAy: I got a problem
912 2011-02-24 06:03:50 <Kiba> MT`AwAy: it seem that I ordered 3 VPS instead of 1
913 2011-02-24 06:03:52 <mmagic> awesome
914 2011-02-24 06:04:00 <discHead> ASR33... sigh. Lost days of youth.
915 2011-02-24 06:04:12 <Kiba> MT`AwAy: now I owe 408.61 BTC instead of 136.20 BTC
916 2011-02-24 06:04:35 <mmagic> ah! hah! alt.shut.the.hell.up.geek..!
917 2011-02-24 06:05:05 <Kiba> hmm
918 2011-02-24 06:05:25 <mmagic> ah, cleveland freenet.. i couldn't send you a licence because i didn't even have one then..
919 2011-02-24 06:06:54 <mekel> so i updated ubuntu and rebooted and it goes to the loading screen, and now its just sittin at a black screen for a good minute now
920 2011-02-24 06:07:27 <lfm> ok you got a problem with the fglrx driver I suspect
921 2011-02-24 06:07:30 <Tril> ubuntu is slow..is your disk working?
922 2011-02-24 06:07:35 <mekel> no
923 2011-02-24 06:07:53 <mmagic> mekel: did you install the packages fglrx or the .run one?
924 2011-02-24 06:08:02 <mekel> fglrx
925 2011-02-24 06:08:20 <mmagic> mekel: sorry bro, can't help you now. good luck though.
926 2011-02-24 06:08:21 <Tril> i would reboot to single user mode and see if you can get a prompt
927 2011-02-24 06:08:28 <lfm> the .run on e IS ALSO fglrx
928 2011-02-24 06:08:36 <Tril> then un-do whatever broke it :)
929 2011-02-24 06:08:43 <mekel> i hav no screen
930 2011-02-24 06:09:11 <lfm> reset and boot in safe mode
931 2011-02-24 06:09:16 <mmagic> lfm: the system packages have never worked for me, not even once. and so I literally have no experience with them except that they fail for my machines.
932 2011-02-24 06:09:29 <mekel> booting into recovery
933 2011-02-24 06:09:44 <mekel> im at recovery menu
934 2011-02-24 06:09:53 <lfm> mmagic: he installed the .run version of fglrx offa the ati site
935 2011-02-24 06:10:02 <mekel> no
936 2011-02-24 06:10:07 <mekel> i just did a scan
937 2011-02-24 06:10:10 <mekel> on ubuntu
938 2011-02-24 06:10:11 <mekel> driver scan
939 2011-02-24 06:10:13 <mekel> and it came up
940 2011-02-24 06:10:18 <mekel> and installd that
941 2011-02-24 06:10:36 <mmagic> lfm: i think he did a system install. Diablo or someone scared him out of using the .run.
942 2011-02-24 06:10:48 <mekel> i didnt use the .run
943 2011-02-24 06:11:16 <mmagic> mekel: that's cool man, i understood you.
944 2011-02-24 06:11:34 <mekel> ok
945 2011-02-24 06:11:39 <mekel> well im in failsafe graphic mode
946 2011-02-24 06:11:47 <Syke> the system package is probably too old for a 6950 card
947 2011-02-24 06:11:50 <mekel> should i remove the fglrx and try the .run?
948 2011-02-24 06:12:23 <mmagic> bedtime. g'night mekel, godspeed, new miner! get in there quick before difficulty scales up again!