1 2011-03-05 00:02:34 <phantomcircuit_> molecular, uselessly? not really, the merkle_root can be pretty old, so as long as the timestamp is getting updated...
  2 2011-03-05 00:03:38 <phantomcircuit_> i wonder if i can fit a 5870 in this gateway dx4840-11e
  3 2011-03-05 00:07:56 <farzong> how do i join a mining camp
  4 2011-03-05 00:08:32 <phantomcircuit_> oh btw what the hell is the poing of the nonce in the version message? i dont see it used anywhere else
  5 2011-03-05 00:13:32 <molecular> phantomcircuit_, isnt the previous block's hash part of a block? so if my client is stuck on some old block, wont the connected miner be mining on stale data?
  6 2011-03-05 00:14:14 <molecular> farzong, what's a mining camp? a pool?
  7 2011-03-05 00:14:21 <farzong> yea
  8 2011-03-05 00:14:37 <molecular> follow the instructions on the pool's web-page?
  9 2011-03-05 00:15:00 <molecular> "mining camp" is a pretty cool name
 10 2011-03-05 00:15:17 <molecular> you can see the sunset in the desert and the campfire and shit, lol
 11 2011-03-05 00:15:29 <lfm> a nonce in the version message? never heard of that one
 12 2011-03-05 00:16:48 <lfm> molecular: yes if your block chain is stale your mining effort is wasted
 13 2011-03-05 00:17:06 <Diablo-D3> slush: you here?
 14 2011-03-05 00:17:12 <slush> yes
 15 2011-03-05 00:17:44 <Diablo-D3> slush: every time a pool client getworks... does the bitcoind backend getwork too?
 16 2011-03-05 00:18:08 <slush> yrd
 17 2011-03-05 00:18:10 <slush> yes
 18 2011-03-05 00:18:11 <slush> :)
 19 2011-03-05 00:18:26 <slush> at this time, pool is just proxy around original getwork
 20 2011-03-05 00:18:40 <Diablo-D3> wtf
 21 2011-03-05 00:18:54 <farzong> found out seti @ home was actually generating bitcoins
 22 2011-03-05 00:19:20 <lfm> farzong: you been punked
 23 2011-03-05 00:19:22 <slush> farzong: mining camp is yet another pool? On which URL?
 24 2011-03-05 00:19:36 <slush> Diablo-D3: wtf wtf?
 25 2011-03-05 00:20:59 <slush> Diablo-D3: is anything unclear?
 26 2011-03-05 00:21:17 <Diablo-D3> slush: it takes like 5 lines of code to make ap ool then
 27 2011-03-05 00:21:28 <slush> literally, yes
 28 2011-03-05 00:21:42 <Diablo-D3> well guess what! pools done!
 29 2011-03-05 00:21:46 <Diablo-D3> easiest 10 lines ever
 30 2011-03-05 00:23:08 <slush> Just expose JSON-RPC "getwork" method and once somebody call that, take parameters and resend it to local bitcoind. And you're done!
 31 2011-03-05 00:23:15 <Diablo-D3> yeah exactly
 32 2011-03-05 00:23:21 <Diablo-D3> and I literally did it in like 10 lines
 33 2011-03-05 00:23:44 <slush> But it does nothing then :)
 34 2011-03-05 00:23:45 <hazek> sup
 35 2011-03-05 00:23:56 <Diablo-D3> slush: it doesnt track shit or anything yet, no
 36 2011-03-05 00:24:18 <slush> There is calculating of share difficulty, some security, accounting, user management, in my case score calculations
 37 2011-03-05 00:24:31 <Diablo-D3> slush: yeah but thats the easy part
 38 2011-03-05 00:24:35 <hazek> quick dumb question: is 1Mh/s = 1000kh/s?
 39 2011-03-05 00:24:41 <Diablo-D3> hazek: yes!
 40 2011-03-05 00:24:50 <hazek> ok, just making sure :P
 41 2011-03-05 00:24:59 <slush> Diablo-D3: and you have to avoid double spending
 42 2011-03-05 00:25:11 <slush> Diablo-D3: I never said that it is too hard
 43 2011-03-05 00:25:21 <Diablo-D3> slush: double spending isnt hard to deal with
 44 2011-03-05 00:25:42 <slush> but in fact, there were a lot of troubles. Now when the whole ecosystem is optimized, write another pool is really easy
 45 2011-03-05 00:30:26 <Diablo-D3> heh
 46 2011-03-05 00:38:45 <Mango-chan> slush how's that new protocol coming along
 47 2011-03-05 00:39:26 <slush> Mango-chan: that's finally not about protocol; but yes, it is going well
 48 2011-03-05 00:39:40 <slush> Mango-chan: before you ask - no, there is no known date :)
 49 2011-03-05 00:39:47 <Mango-chan> when--
 50 2011-03-05 00:46:27 <JunK-Y> slush: you really rock the hall of fame!
 51 2011-03-05 00:47:05 <slush> JunK-Y: yeah, because I'm on the pool from the beginning (surprise!)
 52 2011-03-05 00:47:18 <slush> JunK-Y: but there are currently stronger rigs than mine :)
 53 2011-03-05 00:47:51 <JunK-Y> change the hall of hame from 20 to like 50, that will put more competition for those who aren't in that top20 yet :)
 54 2011-03-05 00:48:24 <[Tycho]> farzong, what GPU do you have ?
 55 2011-03-05 00:49:21 <slush> More likely I add paging here to allow full listing
 56 2011-03-05 00:49:33 <JunK-Y> excellent idea yeah.
 57 2011-03-05 00:50:16 <JunK-Y> your backend is perl, python, php?
 58 2011-03-05 00:50:21 <slush> python
 59 2011-03-05 00:50:34 <JunK-Y> cool
 60 2011-03-05 01:29:26 <gasteve> googletest looks like a pretty good unit test framework for c++ ...anyone used it?  http://code.google.com/p/googletest/
 61 2011-03-05 01:31:51 <farzong> bitcoin rules
 62 2011-03-05 01:32:10 <[Tycho]> farzong, what GPU do you have ?
 63 2011-03-05 01:33:31 <farzong> lemme check
 64 2011-03-05 01:39:23 <farzong> HGC - hercules graphics card
 65 2011-03-05 01:39:39 <[Tycho]> That's pretty old one.
 66 2011-03-05 01:39:56 <farzong> hehe j/k .. i have some intel hd thingamajig
 67 2011-03-05 01:40:07 <farzong> i dont think its very powerful
 68 2011-03-05 01:40:27 <farzong> compared to nvidia
 69 2011-03-05 01:40:27 <[Tycho]> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
 70 2011-03-05 01:40:54 <[Tycho]> nvidia is many times slower than ATI :)
 71 2011-03-05 01:41:07 <farzong> intreesting
 72 2011-03-05 02:00:36 <x6763> phantomcircuit_: i believe the nonce in the version message is to detect connections to yourself
 73 2011-03-05 02:15:00 <anatoly_l> ;;bc,estimate
 74 2011-03-05 02:15:00 <gribble> 67579.84296571
 75 2011-03-05 02:15:25 <anatoly_l> ;;bc,estimate
 76 2011-03-05 02:15:25 <gribble> 67579.84296571
 77 2011-03-05 02:15:55 <citiz3n> ;;bc,stats
 78 2011-03-05 02:15:57 <gribble> Current Blocks: 111880 | Current Difficulty: 55590.23763914 | Next Difficulty At Block: 112895 | Next Difficulty In: 1015 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 19 hours, 16 minutes, and 50 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 67579.84296571
 79 2011-03-05 02:26:20 <sgornick> MT`BNC: wiki is having issues
 80 2011-03-05 02:32:58 <slush> 25 blocks in last two hours
 81 2011-03-05 02:33:19 <[Tycho]> He took all my luck !
 82 2011-03-05 02:33:34 <slush> from sipa's graph, it looks like hashrate is again climbing up
 83 2011-03-05 02:33:45 <slush> my luck too :(
 84 2011-03-05 02:34:33 <[Tycho]> We should announce "No Mining Day" as a protest against rising difficulty !
 85 2011-03-05 02:34:39 <slush> :)
 86 2011-03-05 02:34:44 <[Tycho]> :)
 87 2011-03-05 02:35:07 <slush> well, we can make an agreement and switch down both pools  :)
 88 2011-03-05 02:35:11 <MT`BNC> sgornick: let me see
 89 2011-03-05 02:35:41 <MT`BNC> aw shit
 90 2011-03-05 02:35:48 <MT`BNC> load average: 172.16, 134.67, 80.14
 91 2011-03-05 02:36:05 <slush> looks like your machine is really busy
 92 2011-03-05 02:36:12 <slush> except if it isn't 200 cpu bitch
 93 2011-03-05 02:36:43 <[Tycho]> Someone started mining there.
 94 2011-03-05 02:36:48 <MT`BNC> fixed
 95 2011-03-05 02:37:17 <slush> [Tycho]: definitely, I'm little suspicious about hashrate last few days
 96 2011-03-05 02:37:44 <slush> [Tycho]: oh,you mean the load
 97 2011-03-05 02:37:48 <[Tycho]> Yes.
 98 2011-03-05 02:38:03 <[Tycho]> From sipa's graph, it looks like someone had a couple of blackout days in their DC
 99 2011-03-05 02:38:11 <tcatm> http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/
100 2011-03-05 02:38:30 <slush> tcatm: cooL!
101 2011-03-05 02:38:32 <[Tycho]> tcatm, cool.
102 2011-03-05 02:39:11 <[Tycho]> Doesn't works correctly in IE6 but fine otherwise.
103 2011-03-05 02:39:33 <slush> tcatm: I see bullets without any text in FF. Is that correct?
104 2011-03-05 02:39:56 <tcatm> slush: yep
105 2011-03-05 02:40:02 <[Tycho]> A see bullets without text for some of txs
106 2011-03-05 02:40:16 <tcatm> I changed data format and those are TX I stored with the old format
107 2011-03-05 02:40:20 <slush> oh
108 2011-03-05 02:40:50 <tcatm> hm I broke something
109 2011-03-05 02:41:34 <slush> 4.30 am here, I'm going to bed
110 2011-03-05 02:41:38 <slush> gn!
111 2011-03-05 02:42:04 <[Tycho]> gn
112 2011-03-05 02:45:03 <[Tycho]> "2341000001 uBTCents" ?
113 2011-03-05 02:48:56 <tcatm> [Tycho]: 1 uBTCents = 1e-8 BTC
114 2011-03-05 02:50:15 <[Tycho]> Nowadays you can expect any browser to support U+03BC character if you mean it :)
115 2011-03-05 02:50:36 <[Tycho]> &micro; in HTML
116 2011-03-05 02:50:37 <gribble> Error: "micro;" is not a valid command.
117 2011-03-05 02:51:08 <[Tycho]> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu_(letter)#Computing
118 2011-03-05 02:52:22 <[Tycho]> So it was 23.41000001 BTC ? I would recommend writing it that way if it's more that 1 at least :)
119 2011-03-05 02:52:36 <[Tycho]> And by the way someone has problems with binary floats :)
120 2011-03-05 02:54:16 <luke-jr> tcatm: fail
121 2011-03-05 02:54:18 <[Tycho]> You can also add "fee" field to your table.
122 2011-03-05 02:54:40 <tcatm> calculating the fee isn't that easy ;)
123 2011-03-05 02:54:56 <[Tycho]> Why ?
124 2011-03-05 02:55:05 <tcatm> I don't know the inputs
125 2011-03-05 02:55:14 <[Tycho]> Oh. Why ?
126 2011-03-05 02:55:31 <tcatm> I don't keep a complete blockchain (yet)
127 2011-03-05 02:55:33 <luke-jr> tcatm: probably worth making the u the correct Unicode char tho
128 2011-03-05 02:55:53 <mmagic> LOL i was just looking into whether there was a problem with my bitcoind (no generating in a while) and one of my miners popped. :)  okay I'm happy.
129 2011-03-05 02:55:54 <tcatm> I'll just switch to decimals and remove the tonal code
130 2011-03-05 02:55:58 <luke-jr> tcatm: then you're lame
131 2011-03-05 02:56:03 <mmagic> stupid probability anyway
132 2011-03-05 02:56:18 <luke-jr> tcatm: 2341000001 isn't BTC
133 2011-03-05 02:56:34 <mmagic> how can we actually know, for sure, that our miners are doing proper work?
134 2011-03-05 02:56:51 <[Tycho]> mmagic, watchin shares usually helps.
135 2011-03-05 02:56:54 <luke-jr> tcatm: 65536 is even less BTC
136 2011-03-05 02:57:02 <mmagic> [Tycho]: I don't mine in a pool.
137 2011-03-05 02:57:16 <[Tycho]> mmagic, you can modify your miner.
138 2011-03-05 02:57:47 <[Tycho]> [23:26] <Raulo_> slush: I run a modified miner that uses difficulty 1, just like the pool
139 2011-03-05 02:58:00 <mmagic> [Tycho]: I would have to probably modify bitcoind to dole out easier difficulties and then as long as it's solving those, assume the miner is working properly.
140 2011-03-05 02:58:42 <luke-jr> tcatm: if you really want to fall back to BTC, you could just replace         s = "%d uBTCents" % (n,);
141 2011-03-05 02:58:56 <luke-jr> with: return formatBTC(Bitcoin2BTC(n), addSign);
142 2011-03-05 02:59:15 <luke-jr> but then you're showing 23.41000001 BTC, which isn't really right either
143 2011-03-05 02:59:39 <[Tycho]> Why isn't ?
144 2011-03-05 02:59:54 <luke-jr> cuz BTC only has 2 decimal places of precision right now
145 2011-03-05 02:59:59 <luke-jr> maybe 4 soon
146 2011-03-05 03:00:03 <luke-jr> but certainly not 8
147 2011-03-05 03:00:08 <[Tycho]> Looks like faucet.
148 2011-03-05 03:00:13 <tcatm> changed to decimals. list is messed up until old TX confirm, though
149 2011-03-05 03:00:36 <luke-jr> tcatm: fine, so I have to write my own bot to give proper values now and compete with -monitor?
150 2011-03-05 03:01:11 <[Tycho]> tcatm, you can make "BTC" not bold. Leave only numbers in bold.
151 2011-03-05 03:01:48 <mmagic> to whoever it was last night comparing compression ratios: 23068726 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1533905 2011-03-03 23:34 big_file.paq8 <-- was a 2GB text file. :-P
152 2011-03-05 03:01:49 <tcatm> luke-jr: -monitor will still show uBTCents
153 2011-03-05 03:01:59 <luke-jr> tcatm: then what are we even talking about? O.o
154 2011-03-05 03:02:47 <tcatm> luke-jr: http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/
155 2011-03-05 03:03:00 <Cusipzzz> tcatm: looks great
156 2011-03-05 03:03:27 <luke-jr> tcatm: your new version looks buggy
157 2011-03-05 03:03:47 <tcatm> I removed all TX, switched format again
158 2011-03-05 03:04:01 <tcatm> This time formatting is done in template :)
159 2011-03-05 03:04:21 <luke-jr> but does it still work with TBC?
160 2011-03-05 03:04:34 <tcatm> nope
161 2011-03-05 03:04:40 <luke-jr> then it's broken
162 2011-03-05 03:04:44 <tcatm> shows full pricision, though
163 2011-03-05 03:04:45 <luke-jr> also, it's still buggy even for BTC
164 2011-03-05 03:05:00 <[Tycho]> Why it's broken if there are no TBCs ?
165 2011-03-05 03:05:07 <luke-jr> it *shouldn't* show full precision when there is none
166 2011-03-05 03:05:07 <tcatm> luke-jr: write a django template tag that parses a string with amount to BTC/TBC
167 2011-03-05 03:05:16 <luke-jr> tcatm: where is that even spec'd
168 2011-03-05 03:05:29 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: because it shouldn't show BTC when it's TBC
169 2011-03-05 03:05:51 <[Tycho]> Isn't TBC and BTC made of same bitcoins ?
170 2011-03-05 03:05:53 <luke-jr> unless the end user specifically configures it to (which isn't the case when there's no config)
171 2011-03-05 03:06:03 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: yes, but they represent very different values
172 2011-03-05 03:06:28 <[Tycho]> Then why TBC can't be expressed in BTCs ?
173 2011-03-05 03:07:21 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: it can, but it's not right to express it in BTC when it's intended to be TBC generally
174 2011-03-05 03:07:27 <mmagic> they can be. luke's just a one-man-against-the-world promoter of a strange way of looking at numbers with weird symbols and names nobody seems to be able to learn let alone remember.
175 2011-03-05 03:07:40 <Cusipzzz> mmagic: lol
176 2011-03-05 03:08:15 <luke-jr> mmagic: your own inabilities != everyone
177 2011-03-05 03:08:18 <[Tycho]> luke-jr, people will want to see everything in BTC because otherwise it would be hard to compare and use.
178 2011-03-05 03:08:24 <mmagic> what surprises me is how accommodating tcatm is being.
179 2011-03-05 03:08:40 <Cusipzzz> luke-jr: code you own, you can do it faster than we can, with your dvorak keyboard imo
180 2011-03-05 03:08:42 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: it's unconfirmed tx. there's nothing to compare.
181 2011-03-05 03:08:53 <[Tycho]> I'm talking in general.
182 2011-03-05 03:09:11 <mmagic> luke-jr: says the guy who thinks three days of pool mining equals a sample size large enough to make a decision about how pool mining nets "35%" less.
183 2011-03-05 03:09:23 <mmagic> or I guess 65% less.
184 2011-03-05 03:09:28 <lfm> luke is nuts, ignore him
185 2011-03-05 03:09:34 <[Tycho]> luke-jr, and you should understand that even if hex system is better (which is pretty possible), most people will not use it because of many reasons.
186 2011-03-05 03:09:54 <mmagic> [Tycho]: here we go again..!  wheeeeee!  put your hardhat on bro.
187 2011-03-05 03:09:57 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: that isn't really an excuse to persecute people who do
188 2011-03-05 03:10:11 <mmagic> persecution complex!  10 points!
189 2011-03-05 03:10:36 <luke-jr> tcatm: Django's template language looks utterly useless
190 2011-03-05 03:10:45 <luke-jr> and impossible to do anything beyond trivial loops
191 2011-03-05 03:10:55 <luke-jr> either that or poorly documented
192 2011-03-05 03:11:24 <tcatm> yep that's the point: no code in template except simple loops and conditional processing
193 2011-03-05 03:11:38 <luke-jr> tcatm: except you just told me to put code in template
194 2011-03-05 03:11:45 <tcatm> if you want to do more, you write a template tag or do it in the view/controller
195 2011-03-05 03:12:02 <lfm> tcatm: loops and conditionals are all there is to computing
196 2011-03-05 03:12:07 <tcatm> http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/howto/custom-template-tags/
197 2011-03-05 03:12:51 <tcatm> lfm: yep, in theory you can do much with it but django's template engine doesn't even support assigning variables let alone do calculations
198 2011-03-05 03:13:10 <tcatm> and the if can only check for true or false, no if x == y
199 2011-03-05 03:13:18 <lfm> tcatm pure lisp has no assignments or variables
200 2011-03-05 03:13:32 <luke-jr> tcatm: whatever, you had it working fine 10 minutes ago.
201 2011-03-05 03:13:54 <luke-jr> now it doesn't work even remotely sane
202 2011-03-05 03:13:59 <tcatm> it's working even better now
203 2011-03-05 03:14:05 <luke-jr> it's not
204 2011-03-05 03:14:19 <luke-jr> it's showing 8 decimal places even for normal/real BTC values
205 2011-03-05 03:14:25 <luke-jr> and BTC isn't bold like it should be
206 2011-03-05 03:14:25 <[Tycho]> Yes, but you should drop zeroes.
207 2011-03-05 03:14:37 <[Tycho]> BTC shouldn't be bold.
208 2011-03-05 03:14:41 <luke-jr> it should.
209 2011-03-05 03:14:43 <luke-jr> it's part of the value
210 2011-03-05 03:14:43 <[Tycho]> No.
211 2011-03-05 03:14:56 <luke-jr> yes
212 2011-03-05 03:15:20 <lfm> hehe
213 2011-03-05 03:15:20 <luke-jr> "50" = "0.0000005 BTC"
214 2011-03-05 03:15:37 <Cusipzzz> my god whata nit.. BTC does not need to be bold
215 2011-03-05 03:15:38 <lfm> such a sad case.
216 2011-03-05 03:15:45 <[Tycho]> Looks like he is totally wrong.
217 2011-03-05 03:15:48 <Cusipzzz> looks fine
218 2011-03-05 03:16:07 <luke-jr> Cusipzzz: everyone knows you're a troll to persecute Tonal users, why do you even try?
219 2011-03-05 03:16:24 <lfm> Me too! me too!?
220 2011-03-05 03:16:26 <[Tycho]> Did you mean "Tonal user" ?
221 2011-03-05 03:16:33 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: no, I didn't.
222 2011-03-05 03:16:44 <Cusipzzz> persecute...lol. whatever you do in the privacy in your own home is fine, when you bring this crap out here, i can't let it go.
223 2011-03-05 03:16:47 <[Tycho]> Which one is the other ?
224 2011-03-05 03:16:56 <lfm> is "user" supposed to be bold?
225 2011-03-05 03:16:57 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: most of them aren't using BitCoin. guess why.
226 2011-03-05 03:17:14 <tcatm> So how many tonal bitcoin users are there?
227 2011-03-05 03:17:16 <[Tycho]> How he can troll them then ?
228 2011-03-05 03:17:21 <Cusipzzz> lol
229 2011-03-05 03:17:31 <luke-jr> tcatm: at least 2 at the moment.
230 2011-03-05 03:17:37 <Cusipzzz> your family does not count
231 2011-03-05 03:17:47 <lfm> luke and his son
232 2011-03-05 03:17:47 <luke-jr> Cusipzzz: I met the other one in -otc
233 2011-03-05 03:17:50 <tcatm> Okay, maybe I'm one of them as I received a Tonal Bitcoin once and I still have it.
234 2011-03-05 03:18:08 <luke-jr> tcatm: you would be the 3rd I know of
235 2011-03-05 03:18:11 <luke-jr> if you do
236 2011-03-05 03:18:15 <[Tycho]> tcatm, how do you keep it ?
237 2011-03-05 03:18:40 <Cusipzzz> he keeps it to laugh at imo
238 2011-03-05 03:18:55 <luke-jr> of course, if Cusipzzz et al keep it up, why would Tonal users ever care to use Bitcoin?
239 2011-03-05 03:18:58 <luke-jr> what's the point?
240 2011-03-05 03:19:03 <luke-jr> (NONE)
241 2011-03-05 03:19:08 <tcatm> [Tycho]: haven't sent it yet
242 2011-03-05 03:19:20 <[Tycho]> Bitcoins are a nice savings box. You can lock the safe (bury youe private keys in garden) and still add more money there :)
243 2011-03-05 03:19:24 <Cusipzzz> what tonal users? there are none.. what about the sanskrit bitcoin users! think of them!
244 2011-03-05 03:19:27 <lfm> I agree, its gettin funnier by the moment
245 2011-03-05 03:19:53 <[Tycho]> tcatm, how can you keep some specific bitcoins from redeeming ?
246 2011-03-05 03:20:03 <Cusipzzz> the bushmen of the kalahari would like to use bitcoins too.. how bout working for them ??
247 2011-03-05 03:20:06 <lfm> or mixing
248 2011-03-05 03:20:07 <luke-jr> Cusipzzz: sorry, I shouldn't assume you have a brain. I'll just start ignoring your nonsense.
249 2011-03-05 03:20:22 <lfm> I want some Canadian bitcoin
250 2011-03-05 03:20:32 <tcatm> [Tycho]: pure luck. I have so many coins in my wallet bitcoin didn't sent it yet
251 2011-03-05 03:21:07 <[Tycho]> Canadian bitcoin, eh ?
252 2011-03-05 03:21:54 <tcatm> but i just discovered bitcoin sent some of it
253 2011-03-05 03:22:22 <[Tycho]> Oh, you have infected someone !
254 2011-03-05 03:22:33 <luke-jr> tcatm: how does that work? stock bitcoin won't send any of it without throwing the rest away.
255 2011-03-05 03:23:02 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: do you want bitcoin to be adopted by real people or not?
256 2011-03-05 03:23:08 <tcatm> hm true
257 2011-03-05 03:23:27 <tcatm> I misinterpreted bbe data
258 2011-03-05 03:23:32 <tcatm> I still have it
259 2011-03-05 03:23:37 <lfm> tonal aint real tho, its a figment in luke's mind
260 2011-03-05 03:23:40 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: if you troll every reason for using bitcoin that you personally don't care about, only people who have the same interests as you will be interested
261 2011-03-05 03:23:41 <tcatm> http://blockexplorer.com/tx/afb99fffbed3f594cd49f7bbed107fb15c06b43f92ffa4a9486dbf5db49a2cc1#o0
262 2011-03-05 03:23:54 <[Tycho]> Real people in that sense ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_number
263 2011-03-05 03:23:55 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: hint: most people don't share the same interests
264 2011-03-05 03:24:14 <mizerydearia> Who runs #bc-news?
265 2011-03-05 03:24:44 <[Tycho]> tcatm, what is this ?
266 2011-03-05 03:24:50 <mizerydearia> neozilla
267 2011-03-05 03:25:17 <mizerydearia> who seemingly hasn't been around for a while
268 2011-03-05 03:25:25 <luke-jr> tcatm: maybe you merged my fix
269 2011-03-05 03:25:34 <tcatm> [Tycho]: output 0 is the tonal bitcoin I own
270 2011-03-05 03:25:37 <luke-jr> tcatm: or maybe I sent you the unredeemed coin
271 2011-03-05 03:25:45 <luke-jr> output 0 is not redeemed
272 2011-03-05 03:25:52 <tcatm> yep
273 2011-03-05 03:25:56 <tcatm> I haven't spent it yet
274 2011-03-05 03:26:26 <luke-jr> tcatm: btw, your chart doesn't even show all unconfirmed tx
275 2011-03-05 03:26:40 <tcatm> chart?
276 2011-03-05 03:26:44 <luke-jr> http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/
277 2011-03-05 03:26:53 <tcatm> it shows all my node knows about
278 2011-03-05 03:27:06 <luke-jr> your node is ignoring mine :p
279 2011-03-05 03:27:07 <[Tycho]> That bitcoind spent my 0.0004 fee from faucet ! What a bad bitcoind... http://blockexplorer.com/tx/04d93bf4fad686cd60d503f798494b8d1cfbe35c5b8b414d85090fe3417606a2
280 2011-03-05 03:27:40 <tcatm> luke-jr: -addnode=173.255.224.227
281 2011-03-05 03:27:55 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: blame gavin for not merging my fix sooner :P
282 2011-03-05 03:28:07 <luke-jr> tcatm: if it's stock, it will still ignore mine
283 2011-03-05 03:28:08 <[Tycho]> What fix ?
284 2011-03-05 03:28:18 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: to not throw it away
285 2011-03-05 03:28:35 <tcatm> luke-jr: that's okay :)
286 2011-03-05 03:28:46 <[Tycho]> You are hiding your fixes :)
287 2011-03-05 03:28:49 <luke-jr> tcatm: it's < 0.01 BTC, and no fee
288 2011-03-05 03:28:53 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: I am not.
289 2011-03-05 03:29:01 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: it's been published for over a month now
290 2011-03-05 03:29:03 <luke-jr> probably over 2 months
291 2011-03-05 03:29:42 <[Tycho]> Yeah, i asked you a couple of days ago :)
292 2011-03-05 03:29:45 <luke-jr> tcatm: it's 1 TBC sent to the other known Tonal BitCoin user
293 2011-03-05 03:29:53 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: you asked for a different fix.
294 2011-03-05 03:30:01 <luke-jr> actually, that one's more of a feature
295 2011-03-05 03:30:01 <[Tycho]> So if there was i fee it shouldn't drop anything ?
296 2011-03-05 03:30:22 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: that 0.0004 was not required for any fee
297 2011-03-05 03:30:33 <luke-jr> your bitcoind just threw it away because of a bug
298 2011-03-05 03:31:12 <[Tycho]> 0.0004 weren't dropped, they were accounted as fee.
299 2011-03-05 03:31:27 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: that's dropped.
300 2011-03-05 03:31:36 <luke-jr> "fee" is nothing other than dropped moneys
301 2011-03-05 03:31:40 <[Tycho]> I mean - not destroyed.
302 2011-03-05 03:31:46 <luke-jr> I didn't say destroyed.
303 2011-03-05 03:31:57 <luke-jr> http://gitorious.org/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/11682130e54df89a8a44241013845c148a4fd235 <-- that's the feature you asked me for btw
304 2011-03-05 03:33:02 <luke-jr> https://github.com/tcatm/bitcoin/commit/a14bf1946dfade7c615cd41924c7cd41abdbc119 <-- that's the bugfix
305 2011-03-05 03:33:12 <[Tycho]> Thanks. (I already did it myself, but thanks anyway).
306 2011-03-05 03:40:13 <Lachesis> ????
307 2011-03-05 03:40:49 <luke-jr> maybe even a GUI to construct a new custom tx
308 2011-03-05 03:49:45 <phantomcircuit_> luke-jr, well if you contribute to my loverly python code....
309 2011-03-05 04:11:46 <A1ex1> ;;bc,calcd 2550 1
310 2011-03-05 04:11:47 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 2550 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 1, is 28 minutes and 4 seconds
311 2011-03-05 04:30:28 <x6763> why does bitcoind say the difficulty is 55590.23763914, but according to the wiki's calculations and blockexplorer say 55589.518126 ?
312 2011-03-05 04:30:47 <tcatm> maybe rounding
313 2011-03-05 04:35:39 <x6763> hmm...i suppose if blockexplorer and i are calculating form the nBits value, while bitcoind is calculating from the actual time it took to generate the 2016 blocks at the previous difficulty, the numbers would likely be slightly different
314 2011-03-05 04:36:05 <x6763> calculating *from*
315 2011-03-05 04:36:31 <tcatm> well, bitcoin is open source so we can just see what it does
316 2011-03-05 04:37:07 <x6763> yeah, i was looking right at the not-so-easy-to-read code...open source only matters when you can understand the source
317 2011-03-05 04:37:33 <tcatm> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/rpc.cpp GetDifficulty
318 2011-03-05 04:39:00 <phantomcircuit_> x6763, yeah the explains the difference
319 2011-03-05 04:39:10 <x6763> i was looking at GetNextWorkRequired in main.cpp and GetCompact in bignum.h...i didn't look at the related rpc code
320 2011-03-05 04:43:15 <x6763> anyway, thanks guys...i think i understand my problem a little better...time for sleep
321 2011-03-05 05:48:59 <knotwork> lfm: Canadian Bitcoin (actually termed Canadian Digital Notes, = CDN) is one of the currencies in my bots
322 2011-03-05 05:49:38 <knotwork> But, I am having problems with the bitcoind instances hanging, no longer responding to any commands
323 2011-03-05 05:50:31 <knotwork> often a bitcoind will respond to a listaccounts even to balance but as soon as it is asked for an address boom
324 2011-03-05 05:50:44 <knotwork> it hangs and will no longer respond to any commands not even to stop
325 2011-03-05 05:51:31 <knotwork> the instance being used to talk to the daemon instance hangs, so the bot itself calling it would have too
326 2011-03-05 05:51:41 <lfm> huh
327 2011-03-05 05:51:46 <knotwork> were it not firing up its commandline commands in background
328 2011-03-05 05:52:13 <knotwork> as it is, a whole lot of background bitcoind instances end up piled up from attempts to communicate
329 2011-03-05 05:52:19 <knotwork> with hung daemon
330 2011-03-05 05:52:40 <lfm> sounds like you got one flakey system there
331 2011-03-05 05:53:14 <knotwork> I read something about a recent patch that clobbered bitcoind by moving some xwidget stuff in a way
332 2011-03-05 05:53:32 <knotwork> that actually also removed one thing the commandline version does actually need
333 2011-03-05 05:53:48 <knotwork> I am thinking that might be a possibility for why this happens
334 2011-03-05 05:53:56 <jgarzik> mrb_: PM sent
335 2011-03-05 05:54:32 <hwolf> ;;bc,calcd 300000
336 2011-03-05 05:54:33 <gribble> (bc,calcd <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo The average time to generate a block at $1 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of $2, is [time elapsed [math calc 1/((2**224-1)/$2*$1*1000/2**256)]]".
337 2011-03-05 05:55:14 <hwolf> ;;bc,calcd 300000 55000
338 2011-03-05 05:55:15 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 300000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 55000, is 1 week, 2 days, 2 hours, 43 minutes, and 30 seconds
339 2011-03-05 05:55:48 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 3000000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 55000, is 21 hours, 52 minutes, and 21 seconds
340 2011-03-05 05:55:48 <hwolf> ;;bc,calcd 3000000 55000
341 2011-03-05 05:55:50 <tcatm> 5353
342 2011-03-05 05:57:05 <hwolf> what is the command to calculate with current difficulty?
343 2011-03-05 05:57:19 <gribble> Error: "calcd" is not a valid command.
344 2011-03-05 05:57:19 <hwolf> ;;calcd 200000
345 2011-03-05 05:57:26 <gribble> Error: "bc" is not a valid command.
346 2011-03-05 05:57:26 <hwolf> ;;bc 200000
347 2011-03-05 05:57:39 <tcatm> ;;bc,calc 200000
348 2011-03-05 05:57:40 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 200000 Khps, given current difficulty of 55590.23763914 , is 1 week, 6 days, 19 hours, 36 minutes, and 31 seconds
349 2011-03-05 05:57:43 <Blitzboom> hwolf: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Gribble
350 2011-03-05 05:58:49 <validus> dragon tale giveaway
351 2011-03-05 05:59:01 <knotwork> I think bitnickels might be more interesting than canadian bitcoin. based on idea of old nickel nickels now worth 7 cents
352 2011-03-05 05:59:15 <Blitzboom> whats canadian bitcoin?
353 2011-03-05 05:59:31 <knotwork> so not always 20 per coin. but pegged to coin so that you might get less than 20 nickels to a coin but not more
354 2011-03-05 05:59:51 <Blitzboom> local fiat money backed by bitcoins?
355 2011-03-05 05:59:56 <knotwork> canadian is just one of the nations players in Galactic Milieu wanted. others are martian and czech
356 2011-03-05 06:00:21 <Blitzboom> some kind of RPG?
357 2011-03-05 06:00:26 <knotwork> not really earth-local-fiat, no, here on earth they are just another blockchain of bitcoins
358 2011-03-05 06:00:40 <hwolf> ;;bc,calc 7000000
359 2011-03-05 06:00:48 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 7000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 55590.23763914 , is 9 hours, 28 minutes, and 28 seconds
360 2011-03-05 06:00:53 <Blitzboom> ah, they want their own blockchain?
361 2011-03-05 06:00:54 <knotwork> yes, a RPG whose worlds are done on strategic scale using freeciv
362 2011-03-05 06:00:55 <Aciid> I have a crossfire setup , and my +12V shows 6.5v. should I go straight to 1kW or 850W?
363 2011-03-05 06:01:12 <knotwork> yes they want their own blockchain because they hope to actually back their currency
364 2011-03-05 06:01:35 <knotwork> and they dont see having millions of it in the hands of foreign miners as helping them back it,
365 2011-03-05 06:01:55 <knotwork> that is just an expense they dont need if they keep the mining private to a banking network
366 2011-03-05 06:02:16 <Blitzboom> alright, not a bad thing
367 2011-03-05 06:02:24 <Blitzboom> theyll get familiar with bitcoins and might use it
368 2011-03-05 06:02:24 <knotwork> they can keep the difficulty at 1 if they don't have greedy miners fighting each other to increase difficulty
369 2011-03-05 06:02:53 <Travex> Hi guys
370 2011-03-05 06:02:57 <knotwork> exactly, in Freeciv is a "fictional" nation known as Hackers, with people like Linus Torvalds as leaders
371 2011-03-05 06:03:05 <Travex> Anybody can tell me how to fix the bitcoin clock please ?
372 2011-03-05 06:03:13 <knotwork> I am asking them if Satoshi qualifies as a leader too for that
373 2011-03-05 06:03:29 <Travex> everytime I start the program, it always says : Please check my computer date....
374 2011-03-05 06:03:33 <knotwork> in the gam I assume the hacker nation uses "real" bitcoins
375 2011-03-05 06:03:53 <[Tycho]> Aciid, are you using mgf's voltage metering software or BIOS Setup  ?
376 2011-03-05 06:04:05 <knotwork> but they gave or sold the tech to the Martians, who implemented Martian BotCoins and then went on to
377 2011-03-05 06:04:08 <Travex> Hello D
378 2011-03-05 06:04:13 <Travex> Anybody can tell me how to fix the bitcoin clock please ?
379 2011-03-05 06:04:50 <hwolf> bc,totalbc
380 2011-03-05 06:04:54 <hwolf> ;;bc,totalbc
381 2011-03-05 06:04:55 <gribble> 5595700.00000000
382 2011-03-05 06:04:56 <knotwork> resell it to Canadians (CDN), British (United Kingdom Bitcash) and Czech (CZech Bitcash)
383 2011-03-05 06:05:44 <knotwork> also the Galactic United Nations wants to try to implement shares with it, periodically paying dividends to
384 2011-03-05 06:05:54 <Travex> Anybody can tell me how to fix the bitcoin clock please ?
385 2011-03-05 06:06:02 <knotwork> all addresses that have balances based on share of total shares so far issued
386 2011-03-05 06:06:20 <knotwork> (Sorry I hae no idea what a bitcoin clock even is)
387 2011-03-05 06:06:24 <[Tycho]> ;;bc,poolstats
388 2011-03-05 06:06:32 <gribble> {"ghashes_ps": "93.207", "shares": 97342, "active_workers": 896, "round_duration": "1:16:36", "score": "22148.0515", "round_started": "2011-03-05 05:49:29", "shares_cdf": "82.64", "getwork_ps": 480}
389 2011-03-05 06:06:59 <[Tycho]> bc,timetonext
390 2011-03-05 06:07:03 <gribble> 5 days, 14 hours, 4 minutes, and 12 seconds
391 2011-03-05 06:07:03 <[Tycho]> ;;bc,timetonext
392 2011-03-05 06:08:06 <[Tycho]> ;;bc,prob 36000000 1d
393 2011-03-05 06:08:07 <gribble> 0.99999780077
394 2011-03-05 06:08:24 <Travex> Anybody can tell me how to fix the bitcoin clock please ?
395 2011-03-05 06:09:08 <magnetron> Travex: please elaborate
396 2011-03-05 06:10:06 <Travex> Everytime I run bitcoin client
397 2011-03-05 06:10:09 <Travex> I have the message
398 2011-03-05 06:10:10 <Travex> Please check that your computer's date and time are correct. If your clock is wrong Bitcoin will not work properly
399 2011-03-05 06:10:18 <Travex> My computer clock is fine
400 2011-03-05 06:10:27 <Travex> Up-to-date
401 2011-03-05 06:10:37 <Keefe> check time zone
402 2011-03-05 06:10:39 <knotwork> maybe time locale is not what bitcoins is used to
403 2011-03-05 06:11:14 <Travex> So how do I fix this mate ?
404 2011-03-05 06:11:17 <knotwork> (hope its not tonal time-locale hahahaha)
405 2011-03-05 06:12:17 <Travex> knotwork do you know how to fix this ?
406 2011-03-05 06:12:19 <lfm> Travex: so your clock or date or timezone are set wriong, It is the system clock, not a "bitcoin" clock
407 2011-03-05 06:13:00 <knotwork> I am thinking the locale of the time might be one bitcoin isnt familiar with maybe?
408 2011-03-05 06:13:02 <Keefe> Travex: what OS?
409 2011-03-05 06:13:11 <Travex> awesome guys
410 2011-03-05 06:13:13 <Travex> i fixed it =D
411 2011-03-05 06:13:24 <Travex> actually i set my computer clock to US time zone clock
412 2011-03-05 06:13:28 <lfm> knotwork: nope, nothing to do with locale
413 2011-03-05 06:13:29 <Travex> but im living in australia
414 2011-03-05 06:13:40 <Travex> ive changed it over to the proper time zone
415 2011-03-05 06:13:45 <lfm> Travex: thats your problem
416 2011-03-05 06:13:46 <Travex> and the message disappeared
417 2011-03-05 06:13:50 <Travex> yep
418 2011-03-05 06:13:53 <knotwork> bitcoin doesnt look at the + or - from zulu time?
419 2011-03-05 06:13:54 <Travex> didnt pay attention to that
420 2011-03-05 06:14:09 <Travex> yeah now its fixed
421 2011-03-05 06:14:16 <Travex> no more lame message =D
422 2011-03-05 06:14:20 <lfm> you're welcome
423 2011-03-05 06:14:25 <Travex> oh..........
424 2011-03-05 06:14:26 <knotwork> ahhh you had us time on your machine but it knew you are in australia?
425 2011-03-05 06:14:26 <Travex> my bad
426 2011-03-05 06:14:27 <Travex> still
427 2011-03-05 06:14:36 <Travex> yeah
428 2011-03-05 06:14:41 <Travex> still, not fixed lol
429 2011-03-05 06:14:44 <Travex> poped up again
430 2011-03-05 06:14:51 <knotwork> proper way to do that is set your zone, not mess with the clock
431 2011-03-05 06:14:57 <lfm> knotwork: actually bitcoin just uses UTC
432 2011-03-05 06:15:07 <knotwork> ah
433 2011-03-05 06:15:13 <Travex> so do you guys
434 2011-03-05 06:15:29 <Travex> have the message under the bitcoin task bar everytime you runt the client ?
435 2011-03-05 06:15:34 <knotwork> at install or sometime one gets to set whether system clock should be UTC or adjusted to zone
436 2011-03-05 06:15:43 <Keefe> it doesn't matter what time zone you set your clock to display in, as long as the time is correct
437 2011-03-05 06:15:50 <lfm> so "date -u" should give you Sat Mar  5 07:15:26 UTC 2011
438 2011-03-05 06:16:11 <knotwork> yeah but what is correct depends on if system thinks bios / hardware clock is set at UTC or for your zone
439 2011-03-05 06:16:24 <Keefe> if you set your time zone to display US Pacific, it better display 11:16pm right now or something's wrong
440 2011-03-05 06:16:35 <lfm> knotwork: just set your timezone and clock CORRECTLY
441 2011-03-05 06:17:00 <knotwork> I set mine to use timeservers, set and forget years ago many versions of fedora ago
442 2011-03-05 06:17:00 <Travex> hmm how am i suppose to do that
443 2011-03-05 06:17:23 <Keefe> and ya, if you use linux, just run "date -u" and make sure it says Mar 5 7:17am
444 2011-03-05 06:17:41 <lfm> travex do you know what timezone you are in?
445 2011-03-05 06:17:48 <Travex> yep
446 2011-03-05 06:17:50 <Travex> UTC+10
447 2011-03-05 06:17:55 <Travex> ive synched
448 2011-03-05 06:17:58 <Travex> my clock
449 2011-03-05 06:18:01 <lfm> do you know what date and time it is there?
450 2011-03-05 06:18:04 <Travex> yes
451 2011-03-05 06:18:07 <Travex> with this address
452 2011-03-05 06:18:10 <Travex> windows clock actually
453 2011-03-05 06:18:11 <Keefe> Travex: just tell us the output from date -u
454 2011-03-05 06:18:17 <Keefe> oh, windows
455 2011-03-05 06:18:17 <Travex> ok
456 2011-03-05 06:18:39 <Travex> windows clock just synced with this
457 2011-03-05 06:18:46 <lfm> ok if you are synced to nist.gov it should be ok
458 2011-03-05 06:19:00 <Travex> okey, im gonna run the client again
459 2011-03-05 06:20:55 <Travex> yep
460 2011-03-05 06:21:01 <Travex> seem to be its running fine =D
461 2011-03-05 06:21:15 <Travex> cool, thx guys
462 2011-03-05 06:21:16 <Travex> D
463 2011-03-05 06:21:32 <Travex> oh and by the way
464 2011-03-05 06:21:47 <Travex> my computer got crashed few time during bitconing
465 2011-03-05 06:22:02 <Travex> is there any problem with this ?
466 2011-03-05 06:22:08 <lfm> sounds like you got a flakey computer then
467 2011-03-05 06:22:16 <Travex> actually not because
468 2011-03-05 06:22:25 <Travex> im using gpu miner
469 2011-03-05 06:22:40 <Travex> always 99% gpu usage
470 2011-03-05 06:22:53 <Travex> and when i visit youtube
471 2011-03-05 06:22:58 <Travex> the computer just hang up
472 2011-03-05 06:23:14 <Travex> maybe the gpu miner is conflicting with youtube/flash player i suppose
473 2011-03-05 06:23:15 <Keefe> overclocked?
474 2011-03-05 06:23:24 <Travex> nope, stock
475 2011-03-05 06:23:31 <Travex> i think its just software conflitcting
476 2011-03-05 06:23:39 <lfm> ya, that adboe software is just full of bugs, havnt you heard?
477 2011-03-05 06:23:49 <Travex> lol, no wonder
478 2011-03-05 06:23:59 <Travex> but in the end, is there any problem with mining ?
479 2011-03-05 06:24:07 <Travex> i mean after few crashed
480 2011-03-05 06:24:12 <Travex> crashes*
481 2011-03-05 06:24:32 <lfm> travex there may also be some bugs in the ATI drivers
482 2011-03-05 06:24:47 <Syke_> may be?
483 2011-03-05 06:25:18 <Travex> yeah alrite
484 2011-03-05 06:25:34 <Travex> ATI driver for HD 6970
485 2011-03-05 06:25:36 <Travex> is full of bugs
486 2011-03-05 06:25:39 <Travex> indeed
487 2011-03-05 06:25:52 <Syke_> mining will drive your card hard, be careful to have adequate cooling
488 2011-03-05 06:25:54 <lfm> and we dont trust microsoft much either
489 2011-03-05 06:26:01 <Travex> yeah thx =D
490 2011-03-05 06:26:07 <Travex> yep i do not =D
491 2011-03-05 06:26:12 <Travex> oh another question please
492 2011-03-05 06:26:22 <Travex> I have 340 confirmations in my client now
493 2011-03-05 06:26:25 <Travex> what does this mean ?
494 2011-03-05 06:26:51 <Syke_> each confirmation means someone has solved a block after yours
495 2011-03-05 06:27:19 <Travex> ah I see
496 2011-03-05 06:27:27 <Travex> so it has nothing to do with me right
497 2011-03-05 06:27:29 <Syke_> so about every 10 minutes your see another confirmation as another block is solved
498 2011-03-05 06:27:40 <Travex> Oh , i got it
499 2011-03-05 06:27:54 <Travex> I have 40 connections now, too few or good enough ?
500 2011-03-05 06:27:55 <lfm> travex once you got "confirmed" you are fine
501 2011-03-05 06:28:14 <Travex> confirmed in the client or in the GPU miner dos windows mate ?
502 2011-03-05 06:28:15 <Syke_> 40 is plenty
503 2011-03-05 06:28:17 <lfm> the extra ones are just gravy
504 2011-03-05 06:29:19 <Travex> lsf you mean i got confirmed in the gpu 's windows then i got my block right ?
505 2011-03-05 06:29:31 <Travex> GPU miner's dos windows*
506 2011-03-05 06:30:05 <Syke_> do you have the bitcoin gui running too?
507 2011-03-05 06:30:37 <Syke_> the miner won't see confirmations
508 2011-03-05 06:31:13 <Travex> yeah
509 2011-03-05 06:31:21 <Travex> I do have bitcoin client gui running too
510 2011-03-05 06:31:27 <Travex> So its in bitcoin client right ?
511 2011-03-05 06:31:33 <Syke_> yeah
512 2011-03-05 06:31:45 <Syke_> 0-5 confirmations will show as "unconfirmed"
513 2011-03-05 06:31:45 <Travex> awesome, thx mate =D
514 2011-03-05 06:32:01 <Travex> oh arighty
515 2011-03-05 06:32:23 <Travex> thank guys
516 2011-03-05 06:33:52 <Travex> lelw, 2 more blocks got solved
517 2011-03-05 06:45:50 <Travex> oh guys
518 2011-03-05 06:45:53 <Travex> one quick question
519 2011-03-05 06:46:16 <Travex> anybody knows how to low GPU usage in momchild gpu miner ? Which command ?
520 2011-03-05 06:47:31 <magnetron> Travex: pkill python
521 2011-03-05 06:51:19 <Travex> Yeah but i want to keep it running, while watching movie or such
522 2011-03-05 06:51:26 <Travex> like 80% usage for minning
523 2011-03-05 06:51:29 <Travex> the rest for etc...
524 2011-03-05 06:52:03 <tcatm> that's what the -f switch is for
525 2011-03-05 06:52:27 <Travex> can you explain more clearly please ?
526 2011-03-05 06:54:31 <tcatm> start the miner with -f 10 or higher
527 2011-03-05 06:54:56 <tcatm> it'll split up the work in smaller chunks
528 2011-03-05 06:57:53 <lfm> Travex: are you using sdk 2.1?
529 2011-03-05 06:58:22 <Travex> im using sdk 2.2
530 2011-03-05 06:58:32 <Travex> ah ah
531 2011-03-05 06:58:35 <lfm> ok cuz 2.1 tends to use less cpu
532 2011-03-05 06:58:44 <Travex> GPu you meant ?
533 2011-03-05 06:58:57 <lfm> cpu, gpu is 100%
534 2011-03-05 06:59:35 <Travex> my cpu is almost zero usage now !
535 2011-03-05 06:59:41 <Travex> only GPU is ~ 99%
536 2011-03-05 06:59:46 <lfm> oh ok never mind
537 2011-03-05 06:59:56 <Travex> eh, :D
538 2011-03-05 07:00:17 <Travex> @tcatm tried -f 10 but doesnt change anything mate
539 2011-03-05 07:01:03 <lfm> try -f 60 or 120
540 2011-03-05 07:01:27 <magnetron> changing the workload size shouldn't really nice the GPU usage
541 2011-03-05 07:01:51 <lfm> ya there isnt really any nice for gpu afaik
542 2011-03-05 07:02:05 <Travex> hmm
543 2011-03-05 07:02:09 <Travex> tried -150
544 2011-03-05 07:02:20 <Travex> actually the usage decreased to 96% =D
545 2011-03-05 07:03:33 <Travex> yeah, thx guys, with f - 250 the usage is lower even more =D
546 2011-03-05 07:11:48 <FellowTraveler> Hi all.
547 2011-03-05 07:31:34 <lfm> hi
548 2011-03-05 07:32:54 <[Tycho]> Hello.
549 2011-03-05 07:34:48 <dazoe> [Tycho]: deepbit hasn't gotten a block in a long time...
550 2011-03-05 07:36:00 <Syke_> we're running at 11 blocks per hour. someone's getting lots of blocks
551 2011-03-05 07:37:35 <dazoe> who is it? hehe i know you cant really tell. unless you managed to watch the bitcoin protocol
552 2011-03-05 07:38:03 <Syke_> ArtForz probably fired up a new bank of chips
553 2011-03-05 07:38:30 <ArtForz> nope
554 2011-03-05 07:39:15 <ArtForz> my guess is a large miner dropped out for a few days and is now back up again
555 2011-03-05 07:41:06 <ArtForz> I'd say ~150-200Gh/s or so
556 2011-03-05 07:41:16 <tcatm> how many hashes are you contributing?
557 2011-03-05 07:41:41 <ArtForz> ~35Gh/s
558 2011-03-05 07:42:06 <mekel> yoyo was up was up
559 2011-03-05 07:42:38 <tcatm> and you think there's a large miner with 150..200?
560 2011-03-05 07:42:41 <ArtForz> yep
561 2011-03-05 07:43:54 <tcatm> http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?chs=480x256&cht=p&chtt=Hashrate Distribution&chd=s:GN9hNy&chxl=0:|known users|ArtForz|large miner|slush|deepbit|?|&chxt=x
562 2011-03-05 07:44:39 <mrb_> not all of your chips are online then? must be doing 19 Gh/s on gpus and 16 Gh/s with the chips
563 2011-03-05 07:44:49 <ArtForz> 24Gh/s on GPUs
564 2011-03-05 07:44:57 <ArtForz> 11.2 on chips
565 2011-03-05 07:45:04 <mrb_> hmm that's low for 28 5970s
566 2011-03-05 07:45:15 <mrb_> unless you scaled back the o/c
567 2011-03-05 07:45:53 <mrb_> nm. misread you.
568 2011-03-05 07:46:38 <tcatm> I wonder what happened to TX 5e2d7862796068973471626ae8c47e92c3f104cd636efd92001a8d1fbffe989d
569 2011-03-05 07:46:40 <ArtForz> hopefully 12.8 on ASICs by end of today, aka yay 2nd box complete!
570 2011-03-05 07:47:22 <mrb_> didn't realize your quantity of non-5970 gpus
571 2011-03-05 07:47:41 <mrb_> was not negligible
572 2011-03-05 07:47:46 <ArtForz> yeah
573 2011-03-05 07:48:05 <mekel> hey guys, im runnin the hd 6950.in diablo miner i hav -f set to 35 and im pullin 5000khashes/s, BUT its raisin the card temp to 65c.. does that sound a little high temp for just 5000khashes/s??
574 2011-03-05 07:48:25 <ArtForz> btw, official 6990 release date is mar 8th ;)
575 2011-03-05 07:48:40 <mekel> uber wonder that the price tag will be
576 2011-03-05 07:48:49 <ArtForz> wild-ass guess, 699
577 2011-03-05 07:49:40 <mekel> pricetag 699?
578 2011-03-05 07:49:47 <ArtForz> yea
579 2011-03-05 07:49:49 <mekel> lordy
580 2011-03-05 07:49:58 <ArtForz> well, it's a dual 6970 ...
581 2011-03-05 07:50:45 <mekel> so the one card is better than havin dual 6970's?
582 2011-03-05 07:51:06 <ArtForz> well, considering you only need half the # of mainboards ...
583 2011-03-05 07:51:13 <mekel> tru
584 2011-03-05 07:51:28 <mekel> what card are u runnin now art?
585 2011-03-05 07:51:33 <mekel> or whhat is the main card
586 2011-03-05 07:51:39 <ArtForz> 5970
587 2011-03-05 07:51:46 <mekel> whats the avg core temp of that
588 2011-03-05 07:51:50 <mekel> at full power
589 2011-03-05 07:52:04 <ArtForz> currently 77???C at 40-55% fan
590 2011-03-05 07:52:19 <mekel> alright
591 2011-03-05 07:52:30 <mekel> my psu is underpowered
592 2011-03-05 07:52:39 <ArtForz> but my setups have pretty crazy case fans, so YMMV
593 2011-03-05 07:52:48 <mekel> so until i get a new a one im tryin to see how many khashes i can get with out it bein unstable and crashes
594 2011-03-05 07:52:51 <mekel> crashing*
595 2011-03-05 07:53:00 <mekel> or damn
596 2011-03-05 07:53:02 <mekel> oh*
597 2011-03-05 07:53:09 <mekel> i hav just a open shell for cooling
598 2011-03-05 07:56:55 <ArtForz> 3*ultra kaze 3kRPM for the quad 5970 boxes, 1*delta afb1212vhe for the dual card and 2*5970+2*5770 boxes
599 2011-03-05 07:58:48 <ArtForz> in the process of replacing the ultra kazes with afb1212hhe
600 2011-03-05 07:59:42 <ArtForz> vhe is 4kRPM 8.2W, hhe is 2.9kRPM 4.8W
601 2011-03-05 08:01:23 <mekel> anyone know the diablo source well?
602 2011-03-05 08:02:41 <ArtForz> hhe moves more air than UK3k, uses ~same power, less noise, ball bearings, costs about twice as much
603 2011-03-05 08:05:21 <sipa> mekel: a bit, though not the latest revision
604 2011-03-05 08:05:46 <mekel> im just tryin to find where the -f and -w commands take place in it
605 2011-03-05 08:06:09 <mekel> im chekin the diablominer.java but not even sure if its the right place
606 2011-03-05 08:06:20 <sipa> yes it is
607 2011-03-05 08:06:39 <mekel> do u kno the general area in it?
608 2011-03-05 08:07:17 <sipa> the parsing of the command lines is near the start
609 2011-03-05 08:07:29 <mekel> actually i found it
610 2011-03-05 08:07:44 <mekel> options.addOption("w", "worksize", true, "override worksize"); ?
611 2011-03-05 08:08:02 <mekel> thx mate
612 2011-03-05 08:08:42 <mekel> how do u kno if u need to increase ur getwork
613 2011-03-05 08:10:34 <sipa> worksize?
614 2011-03-05 08:10:57 <sipa> there are known optimal values for each card
615 2011-03-05 08:11:06 <mekel> o rly
616 2011-03-05 08:11:25 <mekel> i was curious about worksize, and getwork : "g", "getwork", true, "seconds between getwork refresh"
617 2011-03-05 08:11:26 <sipa> or just try a bit
618 2011-03-05 08:12:12 <sipa> getwork is basically a trade-off between mining speed and desktop responsiveness
619 2011-03-05 08:12:50 <mekel> so if i increased the refresh time on getwork, my desktop would be slower?
620 2011-03-05 08:13:01 <sipa> oh wait
621 2011-03-05 08:13:12 <sipa> that is -f
622 2011-03-05 08:13:16 <sipa> not -g
623 2011-03-05 08:13:28 <mekel> im tryin to figure these out
624 2011-03-05 08:13:40 <sipa> what hardware?
625 2011-03-05 08:13:49 <mekel> hd 6950 ftw
626 2011-03-05 08:14:27 <sipa> and do you use that card for video as well?
627 2011-03-05 08:14:37 <mekel> video? for tv?
628 2011-03-05 08:14:40 <sipa> no
629 2011-03-05 08:14:45 <mekel> it is strcitly dedicated to mining bitcoins
630 2011-03-05 08:14:50 <sipa> just do you use it
631 2011-03-05 08:14:52 <sipa> ok
632 2011-03-05 08:15:15 <sipa> use -f 1 -g 5 -w 64
633 2011-03-05 08:15:36 <sipa> you could try -w 128 as well
634 2011-03-05 08:15:38 <mekel> alright
635 2011-03-05 08:15:43 <mekel> here is my main problem though
636 2011-03-05 08:15:56 <mekel> i temporarily have an underpowered psu
637 2011-03-05 08:16:06 <mekel> and if i run it just toooo hard.. it dies
638 2011-03-05 08:16:18 <mekel> but if i run it not too hard, it will stay stable
639 2011-03-05 08:16:18 <sipa> then underclock you gpu
640 2011-03-05 08:16:24 <mekel> so im tryin find the medium..
641 2011-03-05 08:16:37 <mekel> maximum khashs without killin the psu
642 2011-03-05 08:16:42 <mekel> till i get a new psy
643 2011-03-05 08:16:44 <mekel> psu*
644 2011-03-05 08:17:00 <mekel> just underclock it?
645 2011-03-05 08:17:29 <sipa> how else will you control its hashrate?
646 2011-03-05 08:17:42 <mekel> hmm
647 2011-03-05 08:17:51 <mekel> that is a really good point
648 2011-03-05 08:17:59 <sipa> lol
649 2011-03-05 08:18:02 <mekel> i havnt researched underclocking.. can it be dmged just as easily as overclocking
650 2011-03-05 08:18:24 <sipa> no it is very safe
651 2011-03-05 08:18:44 <sipa> it just makes it slow
652 2011-03-05 08:18:47 <mekel> as in i can set the settings to like 0 and it nothing will hapen?
653 2011-03-05 08:18:47 <sipa> er
654 2011-03-05 08:18:57 <sipa> no
655 2011-03-05 08:19:30 <mekel> hm.
656 2011-03-05 08:19:51 <sipa> you cant set it to 0, that would effectively stop yoyur card
657 2011-03-05 08:19:57 <mekel> tru
658 2011-03-05 08:19:58 <sipa> your
659 2011-03-05 08:20:21 <sipa> but you can set it to lower values than the default
660 2011-03-05 08:20:41 <mekel> how low is too low
661 2011-03-05 08:20:51 <sipa> nothinv
662 2011-03-05 08:21:05 <sipa> just set it to the lowest possible
663 2011-03-05 08:21:17 <mekel> 1?
664 2011-03-05 08:21:42 <sipa> *sigh*
665 2011-03-05 08:22:07 <sipa> just open the program, and see what the lowest possible is
666 2011-03-05 08:22:15 <mekel> its on linux
667 2011-03-05 08:22:17 <mekel> its cmd line
668 2011-03-05 08:22:27 <mekel> not sure if it will tell me the minimum
669 2011-03-05 08:22:32 <sipa> aticonfig --odgc
670 2011-03-05 08:22:37 <mekel> kk one sec
671 2011-03-05 08:22:43 <sipa> that will tell you the minimum
672 2011-03-05 08:23:01 <mekel> oh tru it does
673 2011-03-05 08:23:09 <mekel> werd
674 2011-03-05 08:23:11 <mekel> thot it only showed max
675 2011-03-05 08:23:22 <mekel> leet this will be interesting
676 2011-03-05 08:23:42 <sipa> l33t?
677 2011-03-05 08:23:50 <mekel> 1337
678 2011-03-05 08:23:55 <sipa> k
679 2011-03-05 08:25:31 <mekel> k
680 2011-03-05 08:25:33 <mekel> od enabled
681 2011-03-05 08:25:38 <mekel> moving to phase 2
682 2011-03-05 08:34:05 <mekel> sipa
683 2011-03-05 08:34:10 <mekel> ur plan worked brilianrtly
684 2011-03-05 08:34:12 <mekel> <3
685 2011-03-05 08:35:27 <mekel> is there any psu voltage software that acutally works o_o
686 2011-03-05 08:36:42 <sipa> software?
687 2011-03-05 08:36:51 <mekel> yyes
688 2011-03-05 08:37:15 <sipa> for the psu?
689 2011-03-05 08:37:27 <mekel> no not like that
690 2011-03-05 08:37:38 <mekel> nvm
691 2011-03-05 08:41:31 <mekel> so underclocked at minimum specs
692 2011-03-05 08:41:41 <mekel> gettin 140khashes/s avg not bad
693 2011-03-05 08:41:48 <mekel> i wonder if my psu can run stable with that
694 2011-03-05 08:41:57 <mekel> its only 200wats >_<
695 2011-03-05 08:42:03 <mekel> dedicated psu just for the card
696 2011-03-05 08:44:56 <magnetron> i run windows ME on my PSU
697 2011-03-05 08:45:08 <mekel> o0
698 2011-03-05 08:45:53 <magnetron> with some untested software i can adjust the voltages
699 2011-03-05 08:46:26 <sipa> cool PSU, it is able to run a operating system that never even managed to run reasonably on intel cpu's ;)
700 2011-03-05 08:46:55 <magnetron> sipa: it's a very powerful PSU
701 2011-03-05 08:47:00 <sipa> apprently!
702 2011-03-05 08:47:02 <magnetron> sipa: 1200W
703 2011-03-05 08:47:23 <mekel> that is powerful
704 2011-03-05 08:48:52 <mekel> whats the cmd again for eta of block, with 142khash/s
705 2011-03-05 08:49:12 <mekel> 142,000
706 2011-03-05 08:49:17 <magnetron> echo "forever"
707 2011-03-05 08:50:53 <sipa> ;;bc,calc 142000
708 2011-03-05 08:50:54 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 142000 Khps, given current difficulty of 55590.23763914 , is 2 weeks, 5 days, 11 hours, 3 minutes, and 16 seconds
709 2011-03-05 08:51:12 <lfm> I like this idea: http://www.itworld.com/hardware/138740/asus-motherboard-box-doubles-a-pc-case
710 2011-03-05 08:51:13 <mekel> koo koo tty
711 2011-03-05 08:51:28 <mekel> haha neat
712 2011-03-05 08:53:58 <BitterTea> Hey guys, quick question. How is this channel logged? Gribble?
713 2011-03-05 08:54:13 <mekel> yes
714 2011-03-05 08:54:15 <mekel> >
715 2011-03-05 08:54:28 <mekel> mt
716 2011-03-05 08:54:52 <dissipate> BitterTea, Gribble is watching your every move. ^_^
717 2011-03-05 09:00:27 <magnetron> escaping the grip of paypal
718 2011-03-05 09:00:36 <magnetron> into the surveillance of gribble
719 2011-03-05 09:02:46 <magnetron> BlueMatt: ipv6 addresses starting with 2001: are routed via IPv4, right?
720 2011-03-05 09:03:00 <BlueMatt> magnetron: ?
721 2011-03-05 09:03:04 <BlueMatt> how would that work
722 2011-03-05 09:03:43 <Diablo-D3> 6to4
723 2011-03-05 09:04:06 <Diablo-D3> and no
724 2011-03-05 09:04:08 <Diablo-D3> its 2002
725 2011-03-05 09:04:15 <BlueMatt> 2001:470 is he, which is typically 6to4, but they are also anything
726 2011-03-05 09:04:27 <magnetron> Diablo-D3: ah
727 2011-03-05 09:04:35 <BlueMatt> no 2001: is not anything special
728 2011-03-05 09:04:36 <BlueMatt> at all
729 2011-03-05 09:04:51 <Diablo-D3> 2002::ip::ip::whatever
730 2011-03-05 09:05:06 <Diablo-D3> its a /16
731 2011-03-05 09:05:07 <magnetron> how can i findout who registered a specific ipv6 address
732 2011-03-05 09:05:20 <Diablo-D3> magnetron: other than asking arin?
733 2011-03-05 09:05:31 <BlueMatt> magnetron: whois ip
734 2011-03-05 09:05:32 <magnetron> i can ask arin? ok
735 2011-03-05 09:05:44 <Diablo-D3> magnetron: and btw, it converts to ipv4 at the last possible step
736 2011-03-05 09:07:39 <magnetron> Diablo-D3: i thought it was at the FIRST possible step. so if your IPv6 router supports 6to4 it would transport it over ipv4 instead
737 2011-03-05 09:08:09 <Diablo-D3> no
738 2011-03-05 09:08:12 <Diablo-D3> its last
739 2011-03-05 09:08:44 <magnetron> what would be the LAST ipv6 router
740 2011-03-05 09:09:48 <Diablo-D3> last ipv6 router that offers the anycast gateway you mean
741 2011-03-05 09:11:19 <magnetron> sounds counterintuitive
742 2011-03-05 09:11:28 <magnetron> that the packets would be routed the longest way possible
743 2011-03-05 09:15:42 <magnetron> i wonder what my switch would do if i tried running IPv6 on my Ethernet
744 2011-03-05 09:18:20 <mekel> im tryin to understand how -worksize effects the miner
745 2011-03-05 09:18:34 <mekel> like what exactly is it changing
746 2011-03-05 09:20:00 <[Tycho]> mekel, depengs on your GPU
747 2011-03-05 09:20:11 <[Tycho]> *d
748 2011-03-05 09:20:18 <mekel> ya iv learned about that much
749 2011-03-05 09:20:47 <mekel> AMD cards only run good on multiples of 32 worksize to my understanding
750 2011-03-05 09:20:59 <mekel> but this worksize.. what is the work size
751 2011-03-05 09:21:45 <tcatm> mekel: read the datasheet
752 2011-03-05 09:22:03 <tcatm> "worksize" is a complex topic
753 2011-03-05 09:22:05 <mekel> can u point me in the right direction of that
754 2011-03-05 09:22:08 <[Tycho]> Default works fine for me.
755 2011-03-05 09:22:39 <mekel> sipa was tellin me 128 would be good for me
756 2011-03-05 09:23:08 <mekel> where is this data sheet
757 2011-03-05 09:23:10 <tcatm> mekel: http://developer.amd.com/gpu_assets/ATI_Stream_SDK_OpenCL_Programming_Guide.pdf
758 2011-03-05 09:23:18 <BlueMatt> shouldnt we use mapped ipv4 instead of 6to4?
759 2011-03-05 09:23:18 <mekel> ty
760 2011-03-05 09:23:21 <sipa> no i said you should try 128 :)
761 2011-03-05 09:23:37 <mekel> srry to construe words
762 2011-03-05 09:24:07 <sipa> does anyone know what precisely is used in signatures in txin'?
763 2011-03-05 09:25:07 <tcatm> first read chapter 1, then chapter 4.8
764 2011-03-05 09:25:34 <BlueMatt> 1 BTC if someone can help me test -port option
765 2011-03-05 09:26:44 <mekel> how do i help u test bud
766 2011-03-05 09:27:27 <BlueMatt> mekel: can you compile with the default port set to 9635?
767 2011-03-05 09:27:53 <mekel> hm
768 2011-03-05 09:27:57 <mekel> does it compile in windows
769 2011-03-05 09:28:18 <BlueMatt> youll have to figure out how to do that yourself - ive never messed with bitcoin in windows
770 2011-03-05 09:28:24 <mekel> no it is gunna be an issue to set up i feel lik
771 2011-03-05 09:28:32 <mekel> if u wanna wait for lik 30 minutes i could prbably get it goin lol
772 2011-03-05 09:28:48 <BlueMatt> probably, anyone who can compile bitcoin/use linux want to help test?
773 2011-03-05 09:28:59 <BlueMatt> I can provide a linux build
774 2011-03-05 09:31:01 <lfm> compiling bitcoin in windows is a major project
775 2011-03-05 09:31:27 <sipa> BlueMatt: sure
776 2011-03-05 09:31:38 <sipa> which version?
777 2011-03-05 09:31:46 <BlueMatt> sipa: latest, or really ant
778 2011-03-05 09:31:48 <BlueMatt> any*
779 2011-03-05 09:31:58 <BlueMatt> just compile with default port as 9635
780 2011-03-05 09:32:40 <mekel> hey sip -w 64 is gettin 5000khashes more
781 2011-03-05 09:33:47 <[Tycho]> I would like to compile bitcoin in windows, but not sure if this is even possible.
782 2011-03-05 09:35:23 <sipa> mekel: yes, that's what i assumed
783 2011-03-05 09:35:50 <magnetron> [Tycho]: mingw perhaps?
784 2011-03-05 09:36:01 <sipa> BlueMatt: compiling
785 2011-03-05 09:36:18 <[Tycho]> magnetron, i think it will need additional libs.
786 2011-03-05 09:36:31 <magnetron> [Tycho]: yes, mingw is just the compiler
787 2011-03-05 09:36:40 <[Tycho]> I know :)
788 2011-03-05 09:36:49 <magnetron> then we both know
789 2011-03-05 09:38:12 <BlueMatt> sipa: tell me when you launch it
790 2011-03-05 09:38:19 <sipa> it's running
791 2011-03-05 09:38:23 <sipa> i'll open that port on my nat
792 2011-03-05 09:38:27 <BlueMatt> sipa: no need
793 2011-03-05 09:38:42 <sipa> ok, even better
794 2011-03-05 09:38:53 <BlueMatt> sipa: wait, sorry was running the packet capture wrong
795 2011-03-05 09:38:56 <BlueMatt> sipa: can you close it
796 2011-03-05 09:39:00 <BlueMatt> sipa: and reopen?
797 2011-03-05 09:39:07 <sipa> closed
798 2011-03-05 09:39:20 <sipa> reopend
799 2011-03-05 09:39:47 <BlueMatt> sipa: thanks, incoming connection works great
800 2011-03-05 09:40:23 <BlueMatt> the only problem left is the 2h delay a non-modified client imposes
801 2011-03-05 09:40:37 <BlueMatt> hopefully this will make it into the next build
802 2011-03-05 09:40:39 <sipa> your IP ends in .125?
803 2011-03-05 09:40:53 <BlueMatt> sipa: yes
804 2011-03-05 09:40:57 <sipa> haha
805 2011-03-05 09:41:03 <sipa> fine, i'll close it?
806 2011-03-05 09:41:06 <BlueMatt> sipa: sure
807 2011-03-05 09:41:14 <BlueMatt> sipa: or run it on a different port if you want
808 2011-03-05 10:33:34 <gribble> 69078.74288287
809 2011-03-05 10:33:34 <sipa> ;;bc,estimate
810 2011-03-05 10:34:33 <Blitzboom> ;;bc,stats
811 2011-03-05 10:34:35 <gribble> Current Blocks: 111964 | Current Difficulty: 55590.23763914 | Next Difficulty At Block: 112895 | Next Difficulty In: 931 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 4 hours, 54 minutes, and 33 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 69078.74288287
812 2011-03-05 10:34:46 <Blitzboom> hm, not too far away
813 2011-03-05 10:35:24 <Raulo> This drop in difficulty estimate at the beginning of the current round was temporary. We are going for 75000-80000 next difficulty
814 2011-03-05 10:35:55 <sipa> yes indeed
815 2011-03-05 10:35:56 <Blitzboom> i guess so: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin.png
816 2011-03-05 10:36:12 <Blitzboom> this is impressing
817 2011-03-05 10:36:16 <Raulo> Indeed, as ArtForz said a big player dropped for s while and is back
818 2011-03-05 10:36:22 <Raulo> With increased capacity
819 2011-03-05 10:36:26 <Blitzboom> ah, that was him? i see
820 2011-03-05 10:36:43 <BlueMatt> Art said a "big player" as in Art himself?
821 2011-03-05 10:36:47 <sipa> no
822 2011-03-05 10:36:50 <Blitzboom> oh, didnt read right
823 2011-03-05 10:36:56 <sipa> art doesn't have that much, i think
824 2011-03-05 10:37:08 <Raulo> 200 GH/s for this nbew player is a lot
825 2011-03-05 10:37:10 <BlueMatt> how many "big players" are there anyway?
826 2011-03-05 10:37:22 <sipa> it must be the NSA!
827 2011-03-05 10:37:34 <BlueMatt> one of the major banks is investing in btc!
828 2011-03-05 10:37:45 <Blitzboom> haha
829 2011-03-05 10:37:51 <Blitzboom> oh man, thatd be terrible
830 2011-03-05 10:37:52 <Raulo> I wonder if it's real or a bot
831 2011-03-05 10:38:04 <BlueMatt> a botnet?
832 2011-03-05 10:38:26 <Raulo> 200 GH/s is like 100 kW of power
833 2011-03-05 10:38:39 <Raulo> And 200 k$ inversed in GPUs
834 2011-03-05 10:38:41 <hwolf> how can you tell 200Gh/s?
835 2011-03-05 10:39:04 <sipa> http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-large-lin-10k.png
836 2011-03-05 10:39:05 <hwolf> how can you tell its one person?
837 2011-03-05 10:39:10 <sipa> it may be close to 200GH/s indeed
838 2011-03-05 10:40:05 <Raulo> "[09:41]
839 2011-03-05 10:40:23 <Raulo> I looked at my traffic sniffing logs and it is quite possible
840 2011-03-05 10:40:24 <magnetron> at least they're not computing a different block chain
841 2011-03-05 10:40:56 <hwolf> can you tell what IP's?
842 2011-03-05 10:40:58 <sipa> how can you measure the mining speed of connected node by sniffing?
843 2011-03-05 10:41:09 <Raulo> I can't be sure
844 2011-03-05 10:41:14 <Raulo> But it's a good estimate
845 2011-03-05 10:41:20 <Raulo> If you are connected to many nodes
846 2011-03-05 10:41:43 <Raulo> And you get a block from an IP
847 2011-03-05 10:41:57 <Raulo> It's very likely it is the node that found the block first
848 2011-03-05 10:42:16 <sipa> right, so you can measure how many blocks seem to be coming from the same IP
849 2011-03-05 10:42:22 <Raulo> Yes.
850 2011-03-05 10:42:23 <BlueMatt> Raulo: have you traced that ip?
851 2011-03-05 10:42:32 <sipa> haha
852 2011-03-05 10:42:39 <Raulo> Yes, but I'm not sure it's I good idea to publish it here
853 2011-03-05 10:42:48 <sipa> maybe it isn't
854 2011-03-05 10:42:50 <Raulo> He may start to obfuscate and I love sniffing :)
855 2011-03-05 10:43:07 <BlueMatt> Raulo: fair enough, though is it something special? like .gov or .edu or something?
856 2011-03-05 10:43:59 <hwolf> is it in virginia?
857 2011-03-05 10:44:01 <Raulo> No. It's a telecom, ie DSL or cable connection
858 2011-03-05 10:44:10 <Raulo> Europe
859 2011-03-05 10:44:17 <BlueMatt> germany?
860 2011-03-05 10:44:20 <Raulo> Yep
861 2011-03-05 10:44:33 <Raulo> And it's not Arforz of course
862 2011-03-05 10:44:53 <BlueMatt> XXXX.dip.t-dialin.net?
863 2011-03-05 10:45:30 <Raulo> No
864 2011-03-05 10:45:44 <BlueMatt> oh, ok well nice
865 2011-03-05 10:54:41 <knotwork> it seems pretty much all my bitcoind instances except the Martian BotCoins one hang on getaccountaddress
866 2011-03-05 11:02:08 <molecular> m0mchil has me completely confused now: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1334.msg60115#msg60115
867 2011-03-05 11:02:10 <bitbot> python OpenCL bitcoin miner Connection refused.
868 2011-03-05 11:19:31 <dazoe> anyone know what the 0.007 is in the lower right corner of deepbit?
869 2011-03-05 11:21:09 <tcatm> the time it took to render the page
870 2011-03-05 11:22:01 <andrewh> yeah, lots of sites have stuff like that
871 2011-03-05 11:22:51 <andrewh> whoops
872 2011-03-05 11:26:37 <andrewh> hm
873 2011-03-05 11:26:47 <andrewh> i think i might run a separate irssi for freenode
874 2011-03-05 11:27:09 <andrewh> so i dont have 30 windows
875 2011-03-05 11:27:16 <andrewh> yeah, I'm gonna do that. brb
876 2011-03-05 12:48:31 <Raulo> I dag dipper into this mysterious miner and this IP number I found was just a relay. It's not the miner. But it was the only node I was connected to that was directly connected to the mysterious miner
877 2011-03-05 12:49:14 <Raulo> So I still don't know where it is and what it is but I strongly beleive it is a single person/organization
878 2011-03-05 12:49:36 <Raulo> And it's getting 150-250 GH/s
879 2011-03-05 12:49:51 <tcatm> that's about 50% of the network
880 2011-03-05 12:50:01 <Raulo> 35%
881 2011-03-05 12:50:09 <Raulo> We are at 700GH/s now
882 2011-03-05 12:51:23 <BlueMatt> bitcoincharts says 500 GH/s
883 2011-03-05 12:51:44 <tcatm> bitcoincharts uses data from bbe and doesn't extrapolate
884 2011-03-05 12:51:47 <BlueMatt> could it not be art? if its a german node that you are always connected to?
885 2011-03-05 12:52:23 <ArtForz> my current estimate says 697Gh/s total
886 2011-03-05 12:52:24 <Raulo> No, it's not Art. Art's IP is knows and his GH/s is known
887 2011-03-05 12:52:30 <ArtForz> yep
888 2011-03-05 12:52:47 <tcatm> how do you calculate the network hashrate?
889 2011-03-05 12:52:53 <BlueMatt> fair enough, but who would bother with a relay?
890 2011-03-05 12:53:10 <ArtForz> someone who doesnt want his bitcoin mining to get noticed?
891 2011-03-05 12:54:10 <tcatm> how do you know it's not the miner but a relay?
892 2011-03-05 12:54:31 <Raulo> @tacm: Because it stopped giving me new blocks
893 2011-03-05 12:54:45 <Raulo> But still gives me new transactions so it's online
894 2011-03-05 12:55:24 <tcatm> and another node is giving you blocks now?
895 2011-03-05 12:55:54 <Raulo> Yes. Gavin
896 2011-03-05 12:56:11 <Raulo> Well, not all but large fraction
897 2011-03-05 12:56:46 <Raulo> So the mysterious miner (MM) is probably connected to Gavin now
898 2011-03-05 12:57:22 <Raulo> Or who know. Gavin is a falback node so he is connected to a lot of nodes
899 2011-03-05 12:57:40 <noagendamarket> strange
900 2011-03-05 12:57:53 <Blitzboom> 700 gh/s? wow
901 2011-03-05 12:58:24 <BlueMatt> didnt someone mention something about using a supercomputer on here a couple weeks ago?
902 2011-03-05 12:58:29 <citiz3n> why the hell is tracker.thepiratebay.org pointing to loopback
903 2011-03-05 12:58:46 <BlueMatt> they shutdown the tracker a long time ago
904 2011-03-05 12:58:58 <citiz3n> how long ago?
905 2011-03-05 12:58:59 <BlueMatt> they expect you to use dht and pex
906 2011-03-05 12:59:04 <BlueMatt> iirc like a year ago
907 2011-03-05 12:59:25 <noagendamarket> BlueMatt yes they did
908 2011-03-05 13:00:12 <BlueMatt> youd think they would be smart enough to point to 0.0.0.0 or remove the dns records instead of pointing to localhost
909 2011-03-05 13:00:33 <magnetron> BlueMatt: and tracker.openbittorrent.org
910 2011-03-05 13:01:00 <BlueMatt> magnetron: ;; ANSWER SECTION:
911 2011-03-05 13:01:03 <BlueMatt> not for me
912 2011-03-05 13:01:14 <magnetron> BlueMatt: why?
913 2011-03-05 13:01:55 <BlueMatt> magnetron: making everyone try to connect to localhost is more anoying for end users than just 0.0.0.0 it can cause problems