1 2011-03-06 00:00:19 <joe_1> wat is nylria
  2 2011-03-06 00:01:50 <Spenvo> it's the name of peng's company, which does interface design for developers.  Basically he makes websites look pretty
  3 2011-03-06 00:01:58 <Spenvo> and he accepts bitcoin!
  4 2011-03-06 00:02:34 <Spenvo> so if you want a slick website and you got bitcoin. problem solved
  5 2011-03-06 00:03:31 <joe_1> cool
  6 2011-03-06 00:03:50 <joe_1> but he charges like 300 or 500 coins i'm guessing
  7 2011-03-06 00:05:17 <joe_1> at one point was looking for someone to make my site look pretty but i wasnt trying to spend so many coins
  8 2011-03-06 00:05:52 <Spenvo> maybe.  it's probably broken down into hourly rates.
  9 2011-03-06 00:07:09 <Spenvo> yea. if you just need html/css done, going to him might be overkill. he's got skills in higher level languages
 10 2011-03-06 00:11:58 <Tril> if I want to start hacking on bitcoin code is this a good starting place? "git clone https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.git"
 11 2011-03-06 00:14:15 <`Jaka> bitcoins are dying Lol
 12 2011-03-06 00:17:25 <lfm> Tril: feel free
 13 2011-03-06 00:17:37 <jgarzik> mtgox.com sold to mt`away: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4187.0
 14 2011-03-06 00:17:39 <bitbot> Mtgox is changing owners Connection refused.
 15 2011-03-06 00:17:41 <lfm> `Jaka: how do you figgure?
 16 2011-03-06 00:18:19 <`Jaka> Thanks to everyone that has supported mtgox so far. Cant wait to see BTC hit $10!
 17 2011-03-06 00:18:21 <`Jaka> >10$
 18 2011-03-06 00:18:22 <`Jaka> more like
 19 2011-03-06 00:18:23 <`Jaka> never
 20 2011-03-06 00:19:14 <Tril> I'm confused by the development process - mentioning a svn repository..where is that?
 21 2011-03-06 00:19:36 <lfm> i think thats old
 22 2011-03-06 00:20:00 <theymos> SVN is the "stable" code. It's on SourceForge.
 23 2011-03-06 00:20:06 <jgarzik> SVN repository is still the area for 'stable' stuff
 24 2011-03-06 00:20:21 <Tril> got it thanks
 25 2011-03-06 00:20:22 <jgarzik> things get pulled in batchs from git -> svn
 26 2011-03-06 00:22:03 <Necr0s1> Interesting process
 27 2011-03-06 00:23:26 <phantomcircuit> MT`AwAy, neat so you're taking over mtgox?
 28 2011-03-06 00:23:39 <phantomcircuit> ps what the hell does that stand for
 29 2011-03-06 00:25:51 <Tril> I imagine MT=MagicalTux  Away=not paying attention to IRC
 30 2011-03-06 00:26:13 <Tril> or did you mean what does mtgox stand for
 31 2011-03-06 00:29:05 <Necr0s> MagicalTux Goes Off Xanax.
 32 2011-03-06 00:31:32 <phantomcircuit> Tril, mtgox
 33 2011-03-06 00:31:38 <phantomcircuit> Tril, also, his name is always `Away
 34 2011-03-06 00:31:39 <phantomcircuit> lulz
 35 2011-03-06 00:32:20 <lfm> mygox == Magic The Gathering Online Xchange
 36 2011-03-06 00:32:33 <lfm> obviously for historical reasons
 37 2011-03-06 00:32:33 <Necr0s> no shit?
 38 2011-03-06 00:32:38 <Necr0s> lol
 39 2011-03-06 00:33:00 <lfm> started as a card trading site as I understand it
 40 2011-03-06 00:33:02 <luke-jr> lfm: except that it's clearly "Mt. Gox"
 41 2011-03-06 00:33:05 <sipa> mtgox = mtgox the greatest online xchange
 42 2011-03-06 00:33:22 <jgarzik> MT`AwAy was MT`AwAy long before he bought mt gox
 43 2011-03-06 00:33:24 <Necr0s> it is a catchy name
 44 2011-03-06 00:33:45 <MT`AwAy> :D
 45 2011-03-06 00:33:51 <MT`AwAy> I've been MT`AwAy since ~2002
 46 2011-03-06 00:34:00 <phantomcircuit> MT`AwAy, lulz
 47 2011-03-06 00:34:22 <MT`AwAy> maybe I'll change the usage~
 48 2011-03-06 00:35:21 <lfm> so what'll you use the G for?
 49 2011-03-06 00:35:39 <MagicalTux> lfm: global?
 50 2011-03-06 00:35:45 <lfm> ok
 51 2011-03-06 00:35:47 <MagicalTux> anyway that's not the problem for now
 52 2011-03-06 00:35:50 <luke-jr> MagicalTux bought MtGox?
 53 2011-03-06 00:36:00 <Tril> yes
 54 2011-03-06 00:36:02 <MagicalTux> luke-jr: that explains why I have been so busy, and a bit late on QBitcoin
 55 2011-03-06 00:36:12 <luke-jr> MagicalTux: what's the point of buying it?
 56 2011-03-06 00:36:13 <MagicalTux> ("a bit" being an understatement)
 57 2011-03-06 00:36:27 <luke-jr> MagicalTux: do you own all the main BitCoin-related stuff now? :P
 58 2011-03-06 00:36:41 <luke-jr> MagicalTux: so late with QBitcoin, it'll be obsolete at this rate ;)
 59 2011-03-06 00:36:44 <MagicalTux> luke-jr: I like bitcoin and want it to be successful, but it's still lacking a few things
 60 2011-03-06 00:37:00 <luke-jr> MagicalTux: are you going to open source MtGox? :D
 61 2011-03-06 00:37:02 <MagicalTux> luke-jr: I plan to have something out for QBitcoin before the show in japan in 2 weeks
 62 2011-03-06 00:37:40 <MagicalTux> luke-jr: for now I'm going to improve a lot of things for MtGox, and maybe write and migrate to a new codebase, so I'll be sure to know every line of the code
 63 2011-03-06 00:37:51 <luke-jr> MagicalTux: TBC support?
 64 2011-03-06 00:38:41 <jgarzik> rotfl
 65 2011-03-06 00:38:41 <MagicalTux> luke-jr: if you really insist, I'll put a cheat code input in the user settings where if people enter "I love luke-jr" or "I am luke-jr" their account switchs to TBC display :p
 66 2011-03-06 00:39:01 <Necr0s> will you be doing anything to make it easier to move USD funds in and out of mtgox?
 67 2011-03-06 00:39:10 <MagicalTux> Necr0s: that's the goal too
 68 2011-03-06 00:39:15 <luke-jr> MagicalTux: copying Spesmilo's settings dialog might make more sense.
 69 2011-03-06 00:39:22 <luke-jr> Necr0s++
 70 2011-03-06 00:40:00 <MagicalTux> first with automated ACH, and next with by lifting the 1000$/day limit
 71 2011-03-06 00:40:03 <MagicalTux> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4187.0 <- some details
 72 2011-03-06 00:40:05 <luke-jr> MagicalTux: fyi, that is 2 combo-boxes: Assume|Prefer|Force Decimal|Tonal
 73 2011-03-06 00:40:06 <bitbot> Mtgox is changing owners Connection refused.
 74 2011-03-06 00:40:32 <MagicalTux> bitbot: Connection refused ?
 75 2011-03-06 00:40:33 <MagicalTux> :D
 76 2011-03-06 00:40:42 <doublec> prophetic words from bitbox
 77 2011-03-06 00:40:49 <luke-jr> MagicalTux: it does that for all URIS
 78 2011-03-06 00:40:56 <Necr0s> Those would be welcome additions.
 79 2011-03-06 00:41:15 <lfm> someones dns cache is stale?
 80 2011-03-06 00:41:35 <luke-jr> whoa, MtGox is changing his own name, so the site keeps it?
 81 2011-03-06 00:42:06 <MagicalTux> luke-jr: MtGox means a bit more than just a name for the community
 82 2011-03-06 00:42:38 <lfm> ;;seen mtgox
 83 2011-03-06 00:42:39 <gribble> mtgox was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 4 weeks, 4 days, 6 hours, 15 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <mtgox> that would be my guess also
 84 2011-03-06 00:42:42 <sipa> it's the de-facto definition of a bitcoin exchange rate :)
 85 2011-03-06 00:43:04 <luke-jr> sipa: not quite ;)
 86 2011-03-06 00:43:10 <luke-jr> I always ask higher than MtGox
 87 2011-03-06 00:44:33 <luke-jr> FWIW, MtGox keeps giving me Forbidden maybe 50% of the time
 88 2011-03-06 00:44:35 <Keefe> MagicalTux: can you lift the $1K/day limit without creating more legal complications? or are you planning on jumping through all the US hoops anyway?
 89 2011-03-06 00:44:36 <Necr0s> yet you base your ask on the mtgox price.
 90 2011-03-06 00:44:43 <xelister> mtgox megachart is broken
 91 2011-03-06 00:44:45 <xelister> for days.
 92 2011-03-06 00:44:48 <xelister> sucks
 93 2011-03-06 00:44:55 <MagicalTux> xelister: I'll fix that too
 94 2011-03-06 00:45:01 <luke-jr> Necr0s: not really, no
 95 2011-03-06 00:45:01 <xelister> MagicalTux: you
 96 2011-03-06 00:45:02 <xelister> ?
 97 2011-03-06 00:45:06 <MagicalTux> xelister: yes, me
 98 2011-03-06 00:45:09 <xelister> how come
 99 2011-03-06 00:45:10 <Keefe> MagicalTux: the websocket feed is down, not just for me, right?
100 2011-03-06 00:45:15 <MagicalTux> Keefe: yep, exactly
101 2011-03-06 00:45:23 <MagicalTux> websocket feed is in python
102 2011-03-06 00:45:31 <xelister> ssssssssssssplendid
103 2011-03-06 00:45:43 <MagicalTux> luke-jr: that'll be completly fixed soon, once the domain transfers completes
104 2011-03-06 00:45:46 <xelister> python would be quite good language probably
105 2011-03-06 00:45:52 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.9189,"low":0.8111,"vol":12517,"buy":0.8114,"sell":0.9098,"last":0.9103}}
106 2011-03-06 00:45:52 <lfm> ;;bc,mtgox
107 2011-03-06 00:45:53 <xelister> if not the gay syntax thing =)
108 2011-03-06 00:46:10 <phantomcircuit> MagicalTux, fyi if you'd ever like some free help i pretty much know what im doing :P
109 2011-03-06 00:46:16 <MagicalTux> xelister: anyway I'll put this back up as soon as I finish auditing it
110 2011-03-06 00:46:18 <phantomcircuit> (and have lots of time...)
111 2011-03-06 00:46:26 <xelister> languages that depend on whitespaces and restrict newlines freedom in all syntax:  1) Microsoft Visual Basic   2) Python  3) ?
112 2011-03-06 00:46:45 <luke-jr> MagicalTux: feel free to reuse my human formatting code from Spesmilo as if it were BSD licensed.
113 2011-03-06 00:47:10 <Keefe> MagicalTux: was "Keefe: yep, exactly" in reference to the websocket, or the legal complications?
114 2011-03-06 00:47:11 <lfm> xelister: bash?
115 2011-03-06 00:47:17 <MagicalTux> Keefe: the websockets
116 2011-03-06 00:47:20 <luke-jr> xelister: VB doesn't restrict newline freedom
117 2011-03-06 00:47:32 <luke-jr> lfm: neither does BASH
118 2011-03-06 00:48:18 <lfm> luke newline and spaces are sytacticlly significant
119 2011-03-06 00:48:32 <luke-jr> lfm: but you can still use them
120 2011-03-06 00:48:51 <luke-jr> just put a  (or _ in VB) at the end of the line to mark it as continued on the next
121 2011-03-06 00:49:13 <Keefe> i don't mind VB's treatment of whitespace, but Python puts too much significance on indenting
122 2011-03-06 00:49:31 <luke-jr> Python might not be half as bad if everyone didn't use spaces instead of tabs
123 2011-03-06 00:49:41 <MagicalTux> I like how the websocket issue became a programming language troll :D
124 2011-03-06 00:49:48 <Keefe> heh
125 2011-03-06 00:49:57 <MagicalTux> (and I started it)
126 2011-03-06 00:50:05 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, i never understood why all the python people insist on spaces over tabs
127 2011-03-06 00:50:30 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, it's always the same ridiculous TABS ARE TOO LONG BECAUSE I EDIT IN NOTEPAD.EXE garbage
128 2011-03-06 00:50:37 <lfm> tabs are poorly defined
129 2011-03-06 00:50:37 <MagicalTux> phantomcircuit: I never understood why people insist on spaces over tabs, even outside python
130 2011-03-06 00:50:44 <luke-jr> even Notepad.exe lets you configure that I think
131 2011-03-06 00:50:54 <luke-jr> lfm: no, they aren't.
132 2011-03-06 00:50:55 <gwillen> oh dear god, are you people really arguing about this
133 2011-03-06 00:50:59 <phantomcircuit> lfm, tabs are well defined, it's a tab
134 2011-03-06 00:51:15 <luke-jr> tabs are well-defined as a single level of indentation
135 2011-03-06 00:51:20 <lfm> sure thats agreat definition
136 2011-03-06 00:51:25 <MagicalTux> gwillen: internet is made of trolls, you cannot bring anything up without causing some blood
137 2011-03-06 00:51:29 <gwillen> there are like five tech holy wars
138 2011-03-06 00:51:35 <gwillen> I swear, next you will be talking about vim versus emacs
139 2011-03-06 00:51:36 <luke-jr> gwillen: vi
140 2011-03-06 00:51:41 <gwillen> luke-jr: :-P
141 2011-03-06 00:51:50 <doublec> there should be a 0.01 bitcoin fee per line to be allowed to mention emacs, vi, tab or white space in the channel
142 2011-03-06 00:51:50 <lfm> emacs rules! grin
143 2011-03-06 00:52:13 <gwillen> doublec: I agree completely
144 2011-03-06 00:52:13 <sipa> a tab ought to be equivalent to 5.27 spaces when displaying them
145 2011-03-06 00:52:15 <lfm> why stop there?
146 2011-03-06 00:52:16 <gwillen> as long as the fee goes to me
147 2011-03-06 00:52:16 <MagicalTux> doublec: don't forget python, php, tbc, etc
148 2011-03-06 00:52:18 <luke-jr> or we could fine for writing code using spaces instead of tabs
149 2011-03-06 00:52:25 <doublec> MagicalTux: agreed!
150 2011-03-06 00:52:25 <knotwork> nazi; jesus
151 2011-03-06 00:52:31 <luke-jr> MagicalTux: yeah, make trolling against TBC illegal :P
152 2011-03-06 00:52:39 <phantomcircuit> emacs vs vim is like arguing about poop flavored icecream vs shit flavored icecream
153 2011-03-06 00:52:40 <lfm> sipa 5.27 ems
154 2011-03-06 00:52:49 <luke-jr> every time someone brings it up, the trolls come out of the woodwork
155 2011-03-06 00:52:54 <gwillen> oh yeah, I forgot, this channel has its own private flamewar too
156 2011-03-06 00:52:55 <MagicalTux> Godwin!
157 2011-03-06 00:53:00 <sipa> lfm: yes, but even when using a fixed-width font!
158 2011-03-06 00:53:03 <gwillen> luke-jr versus everybody else on the subject of Tonal :-P
159 2011-03-06 00:53:20 <luke-jr> gwillen: not everyone is a troll
160 2011-03-06 00:53:36 <luke-jr> in fact, one other bitcoin user expressed interest in learning Tonal
161 2011-03-06 00:53:45 <luke-jr> I'll keep him anonymous for fear of the trolls
162 2011-03-06 00:53:55 <lfm> luke-jrthey were just trolling you
163 2011-03-06 00:53:57 <MagicalTux> sipa: I edit code in a terminal, and a tab is always equal to the setting I set, which is 4 spaces on my computer (wide screen) and 2 spaces on my laptop (smaller screen)
164 2011-03-06 00:54:11 <sipa> MagicalTux: i wasn't being serious :)
165 2011-03-06 00:54:20 <luke-jr> MagicalTux: wait, you can configure tab width in terminal?
166 2011-03-06 00:54:26 <luke-jr> please how
167 2011-03-06 00:54:41 <lfm> luke "set tab stops"
168 2011-03-06 00:54:55 <luke-jr> lfm: ?
169 2011-03-06 00:55:16 <lfm> luke-jr an escape sequence, Id have to look up the details
170 2011-03-06 00:55:30 <sipa> most editors will interpret the tabs for you, anyway, i assume
171 2011-03-06 00:55:34 <MagicalTux> luke-jr: in vim, you can. In terminal you probably can too, but I never bothered that far
172 2011-03-06 00:55:36 <sipa> and not emit tabs to the terminal
173 2011-03-06 00:55:46 <lfm> sipa some will some wont
174 2011-03-06 00:56:49 <lfm> some will surround your tabs with invisible spaces
175 2011-03-06 00:56:56 <sipa> ESC-H apparently sets a tab stop at the curson's position
176 2011-03-06 00:57:11 <sipa> (linux console, but some terminal may do the same)
177 2011-03-06 00:57:14 <MagicalTux> lfm: just use a good editor
178 2011-03-06 00:57:53 <lfm> some editors will silently convert spaces to tabs for you
179 2011-03-06 00:58:08 <lfm> or vice versa
180 2011-03-06 00:59:00 <MagicalTux> lfm: never saw any editor do that by default
181 2011-03-06 00:59:01 <MagicalTux> (yet)
182 2011-03-06 00:59:04 <phantomcircuit> lfm, i've yet to find one that will go from spaces to tabs, but the other way is trivial
183 2011-03-06 00:59:32 <MagicalTux> phantomcircuit: many editors have the space->tabs ability :)
184 2011-03-06 00:59:45 <lfm> you might have to look in dark and musty corners of the editing world
185 2011-03-06 01:00:18 <MagicalTux> lfm: I like my console editor, and use it all the time. It does what I need and I don't need to complain about anything :)
186 2011-03-06 01:00:30 <phantomcircuit> MagicalTux, they always get it wrong though
187 2011-03-06 01:00:32 <xelister> "Canadian songwriters are proposing a $10 fee to be added to monthly ISP bills, giving users a license to download music using peer-to-peer file sharing technologies for free, without fear of reprisal.
188 2011-03-06 01:00:36 <xelister> what this fags are saying?
189 2011-03-06 01:00:51 <phantomcircuit> xelister, it's voluntary iirc
190 2011-03-06 01:00:55 <xelister> what about music groups NOT in canada that still want the 'law' enforced
191 2011-03-06 01:00:58 <MagicalTux> xelister: in France they got both the tax and the crackdown on people downloading
192 2011-03-06 01:01:03 <xelister> phantomcircuit: sure but it is stupid as fuxk
193 2011-03-06 01:01:05 <xelister> fuck
194 2011-03-06 01:01:12 <phantomcircuit> xelister, oh no doubt
195 2011-03-06 01:01:17 <xelister> MagicalTux: France is full of slaves apparently
196 2011-03-06 01:01:25 <xelister> no wonder so big freenet use there
197 2011-03-06 01:01:27 <phantomcircuit> xelister, they're trying to pretend like they represent all artists, which is patently false
198 2011-03-06 01:01:49 <lfm> oh another flamewar topic
199 2011-03-06 01:01:53 <MagicalTux> :p
200 2011-03-06 01:02:02 <xelister> and on the other side
201 2011-03-06 01:02:10 <phantomcircuit> lfm, something tells me we can all agree on this
202 2011-03-06 01:02:29 <xelister> A man was charged with felony wiretapping for recording the police during a traffic stop -  he made a cellphone as an officer approached his vehicle.
203 2011-03-06 01:02:47 <phantomcircuit> anybody have a btc node they'd ok with me hardcoding into my client? (static ips appreciated :P)
204 2011-03-06 01:02:49 <MagicalTux> in France they even got a music-copy tax on blank cds
205 2011-03-06 01:02:55 <MagicalTux> phantomcircuit: use the list on the wiki
206 2011-03-06 01:03:01 <phantomcircuit> which list?
207 2011-03-06 01:03:12 <MagicalTux> phantomcircuit: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Fallback_Nodes
208 2011-03-06 01:03:52 <lfm> phantomcircuit: there is a huge list in the standard client you could just copy
209 2011-03-06 01:07:43 <phantomcircuit> really i just want 1 for right now
210 2011-03-06 01:07:44 <phantomcircuit> :P
211 2011-03-06 01:07:54 <xelister> phantomcircuit: I sent you pm.
212 2011-03-06 01:07:56 <phantomcircuit> jeez im light headed
213 2011-03-06 01:08:49 <MagicalTux> phantomcircuit: use the ones labelled "MagicalTux" in the "Fallback nodes" list
214 2011-03-06 01:09:10 <phantomcircuit> MagicalTux, yeah i am174.120.185.74:8333
215 2011-03-06 01:09:38 <luke-jr> sweet, got my bashrc defining tabstops :P
216 2011-03-06 01:09:43 <phantomcircuit> now to see how long these can stay connected before throwing an exception xD
217 2011-03-06 01:09:50 <luke-jr> wonder if i can make it update whne I resize the window :x
218 2011-03-06 01:09:51 <phantomcircuit> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'add'
219 2011-03-06 01:09:52 <phantomcircuit> damn
220 2011-03-06 01:09:55 <phantomcircuit> not long at all :(
221 2011-03-06 01:10:32 <doublec> is this your python client?
222 2011-03-06 01:10:40 <MagicalTux> luke-jr: dunno if bash lets you capture window resize events
223 2011-03-06 01:10:54 <phantomcircuit> doublec, yes
224 2011-03-06 01:11:06 <phantomcircuit> i've got 2 modules with stupid names
225 2011-03-06 01:11:19 <phantomcircuit> node and peers, they keep scewing things up where i forget
226 2011-03-06 01:11:39 <lfm> on SIGWINCH do whatever?
227 2011-03-06 01:12:33 <MagicalTux> bash: trap 'echo "hi"' SIGWINCH
228 2011-03-06 01:12:39 <MagicalTux> it echoes "hi" if you resize the window
229 2011-03-06 01:13:16 <lfm> but does it work in .profile?
230 2011-03-06 01:13:16 <luke-jr> MagicalTux: yep, now it works perfect
231 2011-03-06 01:13:23 <luke-jr> it even saves/restores the old cursor position
232 2011-03-06 01:15:11 <Syke_> oh crap
233 2011-03-06 01:15:21 <Syke_> ;;bc,estimate
234 2011-03-06 01:15:22 <gribble> 73511.36944801
235 2011-03-06 01:15:25 <lfm> iirc some vt100 had a limit on the number of tabs you could put in a  line
236 2011-03-06 01:15:43 <luke-jr> ;;bc,stats
237 2011-03-06 01:15:45 <gribble> Current Blocks: 112150 | Current Difficulty: 55590.23763914 | Next Difficulty At Block: 112895 | Next Difficulty In: 745 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 16 hours, 46 minutes, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 73511.36944801
238 2011-03-06 01:16:01 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 265000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 73511, is 1 week, 6 days, 18 hours, 57 minutes, and 3 seconds
239 2011-03-06 01:16:01 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calcd 265000 73511
240 2011-03-06 01:16:13 <luke-jr> crap
241 2011-03-06 01:16:22 <MagicalTux> lfm: probably doesn't apply to virtual terminals
242 2011-03-06 01:16:51 <lfm> I psoze it depends how slavish they emulate vt100
243 2011-03-06 01:25:47 <sethsethseth> does anyone actually have sdk 2.1 working with 64bit windows?
244 2011-03-06 01:26:19 <lfm> sethsethseth: I do sorta
245 2011-03-06 01:26:52 <lfm> oops sorry I have 64 bit linux, never mind
246 2011-03-06 01:32:47 <phantomcircuit> lol neat
247 2011-03-06 01:32:54 <phantomcircuit> this appears to be working correctly
248 2011-03-06 01:32:55 <phantomcircuit> AMAZING
249 2011-03-06 01:33:35 <lfm> this?
250 2011-03-06 01:34:04 <lfm> you never seen irc before?
251 2011-03-06 01:34:50 <phantomcircuit> no my threaded bitcoin client in python
252 2011-03-06 01:34:53 <phantomcircuit> it's sexyness
253 2011-03-06 01:36:09 <lfm> phantomcircuit: open source?
254 2011-03-06 01:36:17 <phantomcircuit> lfm, yes
255 2011-03-06 01:36:33 <phantomcircuit> http://github.com/phantomcircuit/bitcoin-alt
256 2011-03-06 01:36:37 <phantomcircuit> genius name right?
257 2011-03-06 01:37:27 <[Tycho]> Now we need bitcoin-ctrl and bitcoin-del
258 2011-03-06 01:37:35 <phantomcircuit> lolololol
259 2011-03-06 01:37:36 <phantomcircuit> WINRAR
260 2011-03-06 01:38:47 <lfm> README zero bytes long? need to work on that! grin
261 2011-03-06 01:39:15 <phantomcircuit> lulz
262 2011-03-06 01:41:35 <phantomcircuit> lfm, HOW YOU LIKE ME NOW
263 2011-03-06 01:44:12 <lfm> ? dunno, just browsing so far
264 2011-03-06 01:45:35 <phantomcircuit> lfm, read the README again
265 2011-03-06 01:46:19 <phantomcircuit> lfm, https://github.com/phantomcircuit/bitcoin-alt/commit/a275786636ca5e413b08e7aceb376ab440933904
266 2011-03-06 01:47:45 <phantomcircuit> also my naming convention for data is totally broken
267 2011-03-06 01:47:46 <phantomcircuit> crap
268 2011-03-06 01:47:58 <lfm> phantomcircuit: gee nice, now all I gotta do is learn python
269 2011-03-06 01:48:00 <phantomcircuit> guess ill need to introduce classes for tx/block
270 2011-03-06 01:48:14 <phantomcircuit> lfm, xD
271 2011-03-06 02:01:45 <theboos> Is there any more work involved in including a transaction in a block than hashing a group of transactions and integrating it into the block header to be hashed? In other words, am I right in thinking that the cost of including, say, 20 transactions into a block is no greater (except for an initial hash of the transactions before the block header generation is attempted) than the cost of including one?
272 2011-03-06 02:02:13 <theymos> Right. You just have to re-hash that branch of the Merkle tree.
273 2011-03-06 02:02:55 <xelister> MagicalTux: 06218EB5 D9C2A  ... ,   7BF40CE9 FB17768B A3CE5DAB  ....
274 2011-03-06 02:03:09 <MagicalTux> xelister: ?
275 2011-03-06 02:04:00 <tcatm> theymos: Yep, miners only need the merkle root. Once that is calculated it doesn't matter how many transactions are in a block.
276 2011-03-06 02:04:25 <tcatm> s/theymos/theboos/
277 2011-03-06 02:05:00 <tcatm> Your nicks are too similar (and my auto nick color script even decided to use the same colors for both of you) :)
278 2011-03-06 02:05:09 <phantomcircuit> theboos, every additional transaction causes at height(merkle_tree) hash operations
279 2011-03-06 02:05:46 <MagicalTux> xelister: matches
280 2011-03-06 02:07:44 <theboos> Ok, makes sense. So why is there a significant backlog of transactions, and why are they not processed within an average of 10 minutes? The most recent block (http://blockexplorer.com/b/112162) had only two transactions but as far as I know the backlog has not completely gone away (I haven't made a transaction in a day or two so I may be wrong). What motive is there to not include all outstanding transactions in a given block, espec
281 2011-03-06 02:08:20 <theymos> There are fee rules that prevent too many free transactions from getting in blocks.
282 2011-03-06 02:08:35 <phantomcircuit> theboos, including transactions in the block increases the permanent size of the block chain, so including every transaction that is advertised would lead to a permanent DoS attack
283 2011-03-06 02:10:17 <theboos> phantomcircuit: those transactions would necessarily be put in the block chain at some point, so in what way would it be a DoS attack?
284 2011-03-06 02:10:48 <phantomcircuit> theboos, actually no they wont necessarily ever make it into the block chain
285 2011-03-06 02:10:57 <phantomcircuit> if some miner decides to do it they will
286 2011-03-06 02:11:05 <theboos> theymos: fee rules enforced by the network (a block that does not conform will not be accepted) or just in the default bitcoin client that miners are free to ignore or include?
287 2011-03-06 02:11:08 <phantomcircuit> otherwise they could forever be unconfirmed
288 2011-03-06 02:11:22 <theymos> theboos: Default, though AFAIK all big miners follow the default rules.
289 2011-03-06 02:13:40 <theymos> 3kB are reserved for free transactions, plus another 23kB for high-priority free transactions. The remaining part of the 500kB max block creation size is for paid transactions.
290 2011-03-06 02:15:07 <theboos> I've never made a large transaction requiring a fee; do paid transactions usually get processed within the next block or so?
291 2011-03-06 02:15:19 <doublec> theboos: you can see the transaction backlog here: http://www.bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/
292 2011-03-06 02:15:40 <theymos> theboos: Yes. You can force a fee by changing an option in the settings.
293 2011-03-06 02:16:16 <phantomcircuit> theymos, that applies for all tx's though :(
294 2011-03-06 02:16:40 <theymos> Yeah; there really should be a per-tx option.
295 2011-03-06 02:35:48 <btcex> hi all!
296 2011-03-06 02:36:03 <btcex> how I can add BTC to mtgox account? %)
297 2011-03-06 02:36:24 <btcex> It is do not display btc-address for them
298 2011-03-06 02:37:35 <[Tycho]> Hello, btcex.
299 2011-03-06 02:37:48 <lfm> it should when you select to transfer fund into mtgox
300 2011-03-06 02:37:54 <Cusipzzz> click on Add funds enter an amount, and it will give you an address
301 2011-03-06 02:38:14 <btcex> Cusipzzz: nope
302 2011-03-06 02:38:30 <btcex> it shows Add $ US Dollars and Add Bitcoins
303 2011-03-06 02:38:41 <Cusipzzz> yes, type a number in Add Bitcoins Box
304 2011-03-06 02:38:46 <Cusipzzz> click Send
305 2011-03-06 02:38:51 <Cusipzzz> it returns an address
306 2011-03-06 02:38:53 <lfm> the whole site just moved to a new server and new administrator so there may be some problems at the moment
307 2011-03-06 02:39:08 <Cusipzzz> it works, i just tried it (sorry for eating an address MT ;)
308 2011-03-06 02:39:12 <[Tycho]> http://www.dvhardware.net/article38967.html
309 2011-03-06 02:39:15 <btcex> yes, I already done this but it is do not shows address
310 2011-03-06 02:39:23 <btcex> anyone can check this?
311 2011-03-06 02:39:25 <Cusipzzz> btcex: what browser?
312 2011-03-06 02:39:27 <Cusipzzz> it works for me
313 2011-03-06 02:39:29 <btcex> chrome
314 2011-03-06 02:39:33 <lfm> allow popup?
315 2011-03-06 02:39:40 <Cusipzzz> firefox here...i can try chrome
316 2011-03-06 02:39:41 <btcex> yes
317 2011-03-06 02:39:56 <Cusipzzz> is it a script popup, though
318 2011-03-06 02:40:19 <btcex> few months ago I do this
319 2011-03-06 02:40:29 <btcex> but now it is do not work
320 2011-03-06 02:40:43 <lfm> do you block popup?
321 2011-03-06 02:40:54 <Sedo> JavaScript disabled?
322 2011-03-06 02:41:42 <btcex> Sedo: no
323 2011-03-06 02:41:45 <btcex> lfm: no
324 2011-03-06 02:41:56 <btcex> adblock may be?
325 2011-03-06 02:42:26 <btcex> yes, this is adblock
326 2011-03-06 02:42:31 <btcex> thanks all
327 2011-03-06 02:42:46 <lfm> thats odd
328 2011-03-06 02:55:28 <[Tycho]> Who is the author of this ? http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin.png
329 2011-03-06 02:56:29 <davex___> bc;;estimate
330 2011-03-06 02:56:35 <theymos> [Tycho]: sipa
331 2011-03-06 02:56:40 <davex___> ;;bc,estimate
332 2011-03-06 02:56:41 <gribble> 74301.11687772
333 2011-03-06 02:56:52 <davex___> ;;bc,stats
334 2011-03-06 02:56:54 <gribble> Current Blocks: 112177 | Current Difficulty: 55590.23763914 | Next Difficulty At Block: 112895 | Next Difficulty In: 718 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 11 hours, 46 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 74301.11687772
335 2011-03-06 02:58:31 <[Tycho]> Thanks.
336 2011-03-06 03:17:34 <mmagic> screw you, whoever you are. :-P
337 2011-03-06 03:21:18 <orion> Do you guys have a list of real products that are being bought/sold for BTC?
338 2011-03-06 03:21:51 <MagicalTux> orion: you can try to check https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Trade
339 2011-03-06 03:24:15 <orion> Nice, thanks./
340 2011-03-06 04:13:34 <noagendamarket> dave winer just tweeted about bitcoin :)
341 2011-03-06 04:14:36 <noagendamarket> http://twitter.com/#!/davewiner/statuses/43854016379232256
342 2011-03-06 04:25:43 <mmagic> who the heck is dave winer.. :)
343 2011-03-06 04:41:23 <noagendamarket> the father of rss
344 2011-03-06 04:42:14 <noagendamarket> http://twitter.com/#!/davewiner
345 2011-03-06 04:51:46 <Lachesis> hey, i'm getting an error finding db_cxx.h with a clean build of git HEAD
346 2011-03-06 04:51:54 <Lachesis> headers.h:43: fatal error: db_cxx.h: No such file or directory
347 2011-03-06 04:53:05 <tcatm> Lachesis: ../dist/configure --enable-cxx
348 2011-03-06 04:53:38 <Lachesis> tcatm, saying i need to reinstall berkley db?
349 2011-03-06 04:53:47 <Lachesis> why have i had to reinstall all my libs lately?
350 2011-03-06 04:54:23 <tcatm> Lachesis: at at least install the c++ dev libs for bdb
351 2011-03-06 04:57:28 <Lachesis> kk idk why i didn't have that installed before...
352 2011-03-06 04:57:31 <Lachesis> but now it's building
353 2011-03-06 04:57:33 <Lachesis> ty tcatm
354 2011-03-06 04:57:39 <Lachesis> i must have some screwy build depends
355 2011-03-06 05:12:01 <theymos> What's the block count on the new testnet?
356 2011-03-06 05:12:25 <nanotube> theymos: mmm good question. let me fire up a client and see.
357 2011-03-06 05:14:24 <tcatm> 10674
358 2011-03-06 05:16:24 <nanotube> mmm my client is still catching up on the block chain.
359 2011-03-06 05:17:38 <theymos> Thanks. Bitcoin Block Explorer is switching to the new testnet now.
360 2011-03-06 05:26:59 <dazoe> [Tycho]: how often does beepbit send payments? and are they cron'ed or do manual?
361 2011-03-06 05:29:10 <nanotube> yep, got 10674 blocks here too
362 2011-03-06 05:29:49 <theymos> Thanks.
363 2011-03-06 05:32:19 <phantomcircuit> hmm anybody know how the hash for the inv_vect of a tx is calculated?
364 2011-03-06 05:32:32 <phantomcircuit> im guessing it's just the sha256(sha256 of the raw tx data
365 2011-03-06 05:35:22 <mmagic> is there a way to send coins to an IP via the rpc interface?
366 2011-03-06 05:35:30 <mmagic> i can't see one. ..
367 2011-03-06 05:36:44 <theymos> No.
368 2011-03-06 05:39:10 <dazoe> do i need to build bitcoin from source it i was to connect to the testnet?
369 2011-03-06 05:39:22 <theymos> No. Just use the -testnet switch.
370 2011-03-06 05:39:24 <mmagic> no, just use "-testnet" in the args
371 2011-03-06 05:39:45 <dazoe> do i need to worry about my wallet.dat?
372 2011-03-06 05:40:20 <theymos> No. Bitcoin will create a separate data directory for testnet.
373 2011-03-06 05:43:41 <mrb_> Computing power thrown at mining has doubled every 27 days in the last 15 months.
374 2011-03-06 05:44:05 <mrb_> Can any of you think of any other example of such an exponential growth, in any field?
375 2011-03-06 05:45:22 <theymos> I bet that difficulty would go over 150,000 at the end of this month. It's looking somewhat possible now.
376 2011-03-06 05:46:15 <JFK911> it could
377 2011-03-06 05:46:28 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 400000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 150000, is 2 weeks, 4 days, 15 hours, 23 minutes, and 32 seconds
378 2011-03-06 05:46:28 <JFK911> ;;bc,calcd 400000 150000
379 2011-03-06 05:46:32 <JFK911> haha
380 2011-03-06 05:47:07 <Blitzboom> solo gpu-mining is over
381 2011-03-06 05:47:19 <Blitzboom> (with single gpus)
382 2011-03-06 05:48:02 <mmagic> awesome. charlie sheen rules.
383 2011-03-06 05:48:33 <jgarzik> mmagic: ?
384 2011-03-06 05:48:41 <mmagic> that interview is pretty epic
385 2011-03-06 05:48:52 <mmagic> i'm bi-winning.
386 2011-03-06 05:49:58 <Raulo> mrb_: Any field? Nuclear explosion. Doubling every microsecond or something like that.
387 2011-03-06 05:50:05 <mmagic> he looks like the stoner in ferris bueller, but 70
388 2011-03-06 05:50:18 <Blitzboom> ;;bc,estimate
389 2011-03-06 05:50:19 <gribble> 74334.55225172
390 2011-03-06 05:50:37 <Blitzboom> hm, we could see 80k
391 2011-03-06 05:51:29 <mrb_> Raulo: well I mean not a physical process, but a process or technological improvement
392 2011-03-06 05:51:54 <mrb_> say the growth rate of a startup
393 2011-03-06 05:52:46 <mrb_> Twitter appears to have grown its user base by 2x every 2-3 months in its early phase
394 2011-03-06 05:53:07 <mrb_> this does not surpass Bitcoin
395 2011-03-06 05:56:22 <Blitzboom> im not sure you can compare users to the hashrate
396 2011-03-06 05:56:34 <mmagic> i am!
397 2011-03-06 06:09:54 <Keefe> just one person adding a 5970 can look like 300 average cpus joining
398 2011-03-06 06:37:38 <sgornick> MagicalTux: Are you doing maint on the wiki?  http://en.bitcoin.it
399 2011-03-06 06:37:56 <MagicalTux> nah, overload again, still waiting for new servers
400 2011-03-06 06:38:30 <sgornick> ok,, thanks.
401 2011-03-06 06:42:37 <MagicalTux> loadavg has settled down
402 2011-03-06 07:22:04 <[Tycho]> Is blockexplorer's author here ?
403 2011-03-06 07:22:18 <MagicalTux> [Tycho]: sometimes
404 2011-03-06 07:22:59 <theymos> [Tycho]: I am.
405 2011-03-06 07:23:35 <MagicalTux> [Tycho]: he is
406 2011-03-06 07:23:47 <andrew12> I are
407 2011-03-06 07:41:21 <[Tycho]> ;;bc,estimate
408 2011-03-06 07:41:24 <gribble> 74636.83025163
409 2011-03-06 07:58:44 <FellowTraveler> Hi all.
410 2011-03-06 07:59:20 <[Tycho]> Hello.
411 2011-03-06 08:00:59 <mrb_> lfm, FYI: http://blog.zorinaq.com/?e=49
412 2011-03-06 08:08:14 <[Tycho]> Why JPG ? http://blog.zorinaq.com/images/bitcoin-hashes.jpg
413 2011-03-06 08:08:39 <[Tycho]> Where can i see this graph in real time ?
414 2011-03-06 08:08:42 <mrb_> because my blog sucks
415 2011-03-06 08:08:55 <mrb_> only able to make thumbnails for jpg
416 2011-03-06 08:08:59 <mrb_> although I could fix that
417 2011-03-06 08:09:02 <mrb_> 2sec
418 2011-03-06 08:09:09 <[Tycho]> Oh, i found it.
419 2011-03-06 08:09:41 <mrb_> k. I also updated the post with the original source.
420 2011-03-06 08:31:23 <AAA_awright> Has Bitcoin found a hash that equals 0 yet? :)
421 2011-03-06 08:32:21 <dissipate> nope
422 2011-03-06 08:32:27 <Diablo-D3> that would probably cause the end of the world
423 2011-03-06 08:32:37 <dissipate> AAA_awright, the probability of finding hash 0 is almost 0. :O
424 2011-03-06 08:32:45 <AAA_awright> There has to be an easy way to find the lowest one generated so fat
425 2011-03-06 08:32:47 <AAA_awright> *far
426 2011-03-06 08:32:56 <Diablo-D3> AAA_awright: well duh
427 2011-03-06 08:33:01 <Diablo-D3> look at all the headers.
428 2011-03-06 08:33:17 <AAA_awright> Diablo-D3: I don't know how to do that
429 2011-03-06 08:33:28 <Diablo-D3> well, blockexplorer for one
430 2011-03-06 08:33:52 <AAA_awright> It's all kept away in a bdb right?
431 2011-03-06 08:34:10 <AAA_awright> meh
432 2011-03-06 08:35:08 <dissipate> AAA_awright, blockexplorer.com is a convenient way of exploring all generated blocks.
433 2011-03-06 08:36:32 <theymos> This seems to be the lowest hash: http://blockexplorer.com/b/101777
434 2011-03-06 08:38:06 <[Tycho]> What difficulty would it be ?
435 2011-03-06 08:39:12 <AAA_awright> That's quite a long way to go to 0 then :-/
436 2011-03-06 08:39:43 <Diablo-D3> AAA_awright: not really
437 2011-03-06 08:39:50 <Diablo-D3> its a 256 bit number.
438 2011-03-06 08:40:17 <Diablo-D3> thats under 17 bits.
439 2011-03-06 08:40:19 <mrb_> [Tycho]: about difficulty 16e6
440 2011-03-06 08:40:37 <AAA_awright> Diablo-D3: That's the block number
441 2011-03-06 08:40:41 <Diablo-D3> oh
442 2011-03-06 08:40:52 <Diablo-D3> yeah thats huge
443 2011-03-06 08:41:10 <mrb_> I mean 256e6
444 2011-03-06 08:41:25 <AAA_awright> 000000000000000834e72c05564b54cc21ac27fb0cbe4ec686bfe607273ad611 is less than 196 bits
445 2011-03-06 08:41:35 <mrb_> (I am still confused by the endianness despite having written a damn miner)
446 2011-03-06 08:41:41 <[Tycho]> 281474976710656 ?
447 2011-03-06 08:41:54 <mrb_> 268435456
448 2011-03-06 08:42:19 <mrb_> 268e6 more precisely
449 2011-03-06 08:42:39 <[Tycho]> Oh
450 2011-03-06 09:05:06 <ArtForz> fixed the coolermaster 600W PSU
451 2011-03-06 09:05:45 <ArtForz> 12V output inductor shorted out
452 2011-03-06 09:07:19 <ArtForz> my nonscientifc failure analysis - why do those fucktards have to goop glue on everything
453 2011-03-06 09:07:51 <magnetron> ArtForz: cheapest way to attach stuff to eachother
454 2011-03-06 09:08:23 <ArtForz> winding shorted out under the glue, looked ok everywhere else
455 2011-03-06 09:09:50 <ArtForz> either simple overheating because of the insulating properties or pretty much ripping the enamel off the wire thanks to different coefficients of expansion
456 2011-03-06 09:11:29 <JFK911> the user shouldn't have let it get warm :(
457 2011-03-06 09:11:48 <JFK911> especially if he knows that temperature changes are bad for electronics.
458 2011-03-06 09:11:58 <ArtForz> core didnt look too bad, rewound it with 4 strands of double-coated 1.2mm and kapton tape between windings
459 2011-03-06 09:12:55 <ArtForz> aka "this will desolder itself before the winding shorts out"
460 2011-03-06 09:14:56 <molecular> aka: "do-it-yourself" is sometimes better than factory-shit?
461 2011-03-06 09:15:07 <ArtForz> usually is
462 2011-03-06 09:15:27 <molecular> I have some old marantz-amps... that's good factory-shit
463 2011-03-06 09:15:49 <ArtForz> yep, and the exception rather than the rule
464 2011-03-06 09:16:03 <molecular> sadly
465 2011-03-06 09:17:06 <ArtForz> there were plenty of crap amp manufacturers back then, but that shit died long ago
466 2011-03-06 09:17:27 <molecular> yeah, the survivors must be good by definition
467 2011-03-06 09:18:39 <molecular> I'm currently looking at your non-node and coding db-persistance (impl blockdb, txdb)
468 2011-03-06 09:19:04 <molecular> a COutPoint is an Adress?
469 2011-03-06 09:19:41 <ArtForz> errr... no
470 2011-03-06 09:19:59 <molecular> ups, just saw CAdress
471 2011-03-06 09:20:48 <molecular> ok, but CtTxIn, and CTxOut are the objects to hold the lists of in/out of a tx
472 2011-03-06 09:20:50 <molecular> ?
473 2011-03-06 09:20:58 <ArtForz> yes
474 2011-03-06 09:21:29 <ArtForz> well, vtxin/vtxout is a list of CTxIn/CTxOut
475 2011-03-06 09:21:31 <molecular> CTxOut.scriptPubKey is the destination adress?
476 2011-03-06 09:21:57 <ArtForz> well, it's the pubkey script, if it's standard form extracting the dst address is somewhat simple
477 2011-03-06 09:22:17 <ArtForz> bitcointools shows pretty well how to do that
478 2011-03-06 09:22:37 <molecular> hm, ok, 'll look into bitcointools first then
479 2011-03-06 09:23:15 <molecular> what's the COutPoint.hash ?
480 2011-03-06 09:23:33 <ArtForz> hash of the prev transaction that input is referring to
481 2011-03-06 09:24:22 <ArtForz> if you have a COutPoint with hash=AAA,n=0 that means it's referring to the first output of the tx with hash AAA
482 2011-03-06 09:24:23 <molecular> what I see in blockexporer as "From Address" when looking at input of a transaction?
483 2011-03-06 09:24:33 <molecular> oh
484 2011-03-06 09:24:34 <molecular> ah
485 2011-03-06 09:24:35 <molecular> ok
486 2011-03-06 09:24:56 <molecular> I wont model it like that in the db
487 2011-03-06 09:25:27 <molecular> I'll just use tables for txin and txout
488 2011-03-06 09:44:14 <Ratchet> hi. can anybody tell me what bitcoind prints into debug.log if the miner finds a hash?
489 2011-03-06 09:46:19 <ArtForz> BitcoinMiner:
490 2011-03-06 09:46:22 <ArtForz> proof-of-work found
491 2011-03-06 09:46:23 <ArtForz> hash: xxxx...
492 2011-03-06 09:46:24 <ArtForz> CBlock(...
493 2011-03-06 09:47:18 <Ratchet> thx
494 2011-03-06 10:38:16 <slush> ;;bc,stats
495 2011-03-06 10:38:18 <gribble> Current Blocks: 112242 | Current Difficulty: 55590.23763914 | Next Difficulty At Block: 112895 | Next Difficulty In: 653 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 1 hour, 27 minutes, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 74449.23226264
496 2011-03-06 10:39:29 <slush> ;;bc,mtgox
497 2011-03-06 10:39:30 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.9189,"low":0.8111,"vol":16523,"buy":0.8321,"sell":0.8859,"last":0.8861}}
498 2011-03-06 11:19:28 <sipa> ;;bc,gen 103000
499 2011-03-06 11:19:29 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 103000 Khps, given current difficulty of 55590.23763914 , is 1.86364238759 BTC per day and 0.0776517661496 BTC per hour.
500 2011-03-06 11:20:14 <dissipate> ;;bc,stats
501 2011-03-06 11:20:15 <gribble> Current Blocks: 112253 | Current Difficulty: 55590.23763914 | Next Difficulty At Block: 112895 | Next Difficulty In: 642 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 23 hours, 9 minutes, and 18 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 74752.44556609
502 2011-03-06 11:32:46 <sethsethseth> what the heck is wrong with the mtgox live chart
503 2011-03-06 11:33:16 <sethsethseth> http://www.thenewsh.com/~newsham/x/mtgox/ it doesnt work anymore?
504 2011-03-06 11:34:04 <Aciid> oh excel can live import
505 2011-03-06 11:34:05 <Aciid> great
506 2011-03-06 11:51:01 <Keefe> sethsethseth: i miss that also. the back-end code that supported that has not been restored since the site moved to a new server. i hear that feed will be back within a couple days
507 2011-03-06 12:20:43 <Aciid> http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/redirection.mspx?mfr=true
508 2011-03-06 12:20:52 <Aciid> to all you whom like excel ^
509 2011-03-06 12:23:17 <sipa> what does that have to do with excel?
510 2011-03-06 12:24:12 <Aciid> log miner data == display awesome graphs
511 2011-03-06 12:28:13 <edcba_> i already knew that 15 years ago
512 2011-03-06 12:29:18 <Aciid> :<
513 2011-03-06 12:52:30 <Davincij15> I guess only north Americans work on this
514 2011-03-06 12:53:26 <Davincij15> I'll be back l8r
515 2011-03-06 14:15:09 <devon_hillard> wow, nearing 100GH/s on the slush pool
516 2011-03-06 14:15:16 <devon_hillard> what made the recent surge?
517 2011-03-06 14:15:27 <devon_hillard> is it bitcoin in general, or just slush?
518 2011-03-06 14:16:24 <Blitzboom> bitcoin in general
519 2011-03-06 14:16:28 <Tril> had to be existing slush pool users adding capacity since registration is still closed.
520 2011-03-06 14:16:37 <Blitzboom> http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin.png
521 2011-03-06 14:16:43 <Blitzboom> as you can see &
522 2011-03-06 14:17:05 <devon_hillard> or people learned to move out of CPU mining
523 2011-03-06 14:17:33 <devon_hillard> the bitcoin.com page does not make these details easier enough
524 2011-03-06 14:17:39 <slush> Tril: yes, users are adding new miners, pool hashrate is still slightly climbing up
525 2011-03-06 14:18:41 <Tril> devon_hilliard: bitcoin.org you mean?  bitcoin.com isn't loading for me
526 2011-03-06 14:19:16 <ArtForz> btw, last 100 blocks are back down to ~600Mh/s avg
527 2011-03-06 14:19:22 <ArtForz> *Gh/s
528 2011-03-06 14:31:25 <devon_hillard> Tril: ah, yes
529 2011-03-06 14:31:55 <devon_hillard> Tril: perhaps the default client should include a selection of GPU miners
530 2011-03-06 14:32:18 <ArtForz> imo a bad idea
531 2011-03-06 14:32:22 <devon_hillard> and pool support
532 2011-03-06 14:32:31 <devon_hillard> through a GUI
533 2011-03-06 14:32:48 <ArtForz> still a bad idea, I like the idea of gui miner frontends for easier pooled mining though
534 2011-03-06 14:33:16 <ArtForz> and maybe a list or something on mainpage
535 2011-03-06 14:33:46 <devon_hillard> right now, a non-initiate will come to bitcoin.org, download the program and click 'generate'
536 2011-03-06 14:34:02 <devon_hillard> a few days later, he learns it would take years until he gets his first coins
537 2011-03-06 14:34:06 <ArtForz> yeah
538 2011-03-06 14:34:12 <ArtForz> thats kinda... bad
539 2011-03-06 14:34:18 <devon_hillard> then he learns about gpu mining, but it's too complicated
540 2011-03-06 14:34:20 <devon_hillard> so he gives up
541 2011-03-06 14:34:24 <slush> Diablo-D3: Which variable I have to set to point miner to clc binary?
542 2011-03-06 14:34:28 <devon_hillard> gpu mining and pools
543 2011-03-06 14:34:41 <subpar> ArtForz :: the poclbm GUI makes life easy - good for n00bs
544 2011-03-06 14:34:45 <ArtForz> yea
545 2011-03-06 14:34:56 <Blitzboom> sure, but noobs dont check the forums
546 2011-03-06 14:35:03 <devon_hillard> what does poclbm stand for anyway?
547 2011-03-06 14:35:06 <subpar> this n00b did ;-)
548 2011-03-06 14:35:14 <Blitzboom> most dont
549 2011-03-06 14:35:17 <ArtForz> Python OpenCL Bitcoin Miner
550 2011-03-06 14:35:20 <subpar> python OpenCL bitcoin miner
551 2011-03-06 14:35:21 <slush> ArtForz: Please, do you know the  system variable which I need for CLC?
552 2011-03-06 14:35:29 <ArtForz> nope
553 2011-03-06 14:35:37 <ArtForz> I dont have one set
554 2011-03-06 14:36:37 <ArtForz> I just kinda shy away from having something that "dangerous" in mainline
555 2011-03-06 14:38:06 <slush> oh, it is "ATISTREAMSDKROOT"
556 2011-03-06 14:38:21 <ArtForz> iirc you only need that one for compiling though
557 2011-03-06 14:38:29 <tcatm> we could either s/Generate Coins/Work on Blockchain/g or/and move it to the settings window
558 2011-03-06 14:39:39 <ArtForz> plenty systems will NOT handle 100% gpu load 24/7, and the driver chaos isn't exactly helping either
559 2011-03-06 14:39:40 <slush> ArtForz: no, it is needed also for miner (at least for Diablo). Deb package which I use set it properly, but I had to restart the machine
560 2011-03-06 14:39:49 <ArtForz> weird
561 2011-03-06 14:40:16 <slush> We should definitely move CPU mining from client.
562 2011-03-06 14:40:36 <slush> Then we can talk if leave mining just in external tools or include gpu mining instead
563 2011-03-06 14:40:51 <slush> *remove CPU mining from client
564 2011-03-06 14:41:36 <ArtForz> well, or maybe hide it better
565 2011-03-06 14:42:07 <ArtForz> imo having a reference miner is a good thing, though I guess one could cpuminer for that ...
566 2011-03-06 14:42:44 <slush> ok, hide it by default, enable it only with some cmd parameter
567 2011-03-06 14:43:03 <ArtForz> yeah, that was what I was thinking, cmdline/.conf switch
568 2011-03-06 14:43:12 <slush> I think cpu mining only confuse new users
569 2011-03-06 14:43:28 <ArtForz> yea
570 2011-03-06 14:43:37 <slush> "I'm running mining over month, my computer is laggy and I have no single coin"
571 2011-03-06 14:43:45 <ArtForz> or integrate ;;bc,gen into gui ;)
572 2011-03-06 14:43:55 <slush> hehe :)
573 2011-03-06 14:44:32 <Diablo-D3> [10:34:24] <slush> Diablo-D3: Which variable I have to set to point miner to clc binary?
574 2011-03-06 14:44:38 <Diablo-D3> there isnt one.
575 2011-03-06 14:44:59 <slush> Diablo-D3: well, I solved it
576 2011-03-06 14:45:01 <ArtForz> yeah, it should find it automagically, right?
577 2011-03-06 14:45:05 <Diablo-D3> it does
578 2011-03-06 14:45:09 <slush> Diablo-D3: It is needed, but it solve installer itself
579 2011-03-06 14:45:10 <Diablo-D3> all you do is set LD_LIBRARY_PATH
580 2011-03-06 14:45:48 <Diablo-D3> export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/to/ati-stream-sdk-v2.1-lnx64/lib/x86_64/:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
581 2011-03-06 14:46:34 <slush> or you can set the variable which I posted before
582 2011-03-06 14:46:36 <slush> both is working
583 2011-03-06 14:46:44 <Diablo-D3> er, no
584 2011-03-06 14:46:50 <Diablo-D3> that variable you posted does nothing.
585 2011-03-06 14:47:33 <slush> maybe. but it works no, so I don't worry ;)
586 2011-03-06 14:47:41 <slush> now
587 2011-03-06 14:47:42 <Diablo-D3> no, it doesnt work
588 2011-03-06 14:47:52 <Diablo-D3> if you dont set mine, no opencl app finds the opencl lib.
589 2011-03-06 14:48:07 <slush> I don't care if it fixed it or no, but MY miner works NOW, so I don't care anymore ;)
590 2011-03-06 14:49:02 <ArtForz> btw diablo, fixed the half-dead coolermaster psu
591 2011-03-06 14:49:26 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: oh?
592 2011-03-06 14:49:45 <ArtForz> output inductor had a winding short
593 2011-03-06 14:49:58 <Diablo-D3> ?
594 2011-03-06 14:50:11 <ArtForz> the output inductor for +12 fried
595 2011-03-06 14:50:17 <Diablo-D3> ahh
596 2011-03-06 14:50:38 <ArtForz> short between windings, right under a glob of that yellow glue crap
597 2011-03-06 14:51:21 <ArtForz> well, used to be yellow glue, more like crispy charcoal afterwards
598 2011-03-06 14:51:25 <Diablo-D3> lol\n305491
599 2011-03-06 14:53:51 <slush> btw I have to confirm that Ubuntu is piece of shit
600 2011-03-06 14:54:14 <Diablo-D3> slush: yes. yes it is.
601 2011-03-06 14:54:14 <slush> Ubuntu (10.10) cannot handle more cards properly. I failed with adding third GPU into ti
602 2011-03-06 14:54:27 <Diablo-D3> there is something absolutely fucking wrong with that distro
603 2011-03-06 14:54:32 <slush> aticonfig see everything in Ubuntu, but cards are not active
604 2011-03-06 14:54:37 <slush> reinstalling to Squeeze helped
605 2011-03-06 14:54:55 <slush> so for future miners - don't use ubuntu!
606 2011-03-06 14:55:02 <slush> you'll save your nerves
607 2011-03-06 14:55:07 <ArtForz> running on the load tester @ 80% load, output voltage/ripple is ok, got a temp probe attached to that inductor, temps are somewhat high but nowhere near "damages enameled wire insulation" high
608 2011-03-06 14:55:09 <magnetron> slush: please submit your success story to #debian
609 2011-03-06 14:55:18 <slush> hehe :)
610 2011-03-06 14:55:51 <ArtForz> ~110???C
611 2011-03-06 14:56:19 <ArtForz> and I wasnt even close to 80% load when it blew up
612 2011-03-06 14:56:53 <ArtForz> so... why the fuck did it die
613 2011-03-06 14:57:22 <ArtForz> only see 2 possibilities, either that glue acted as a thermal insulator and caused a local hotspot
614 2011-03-06 14:57:33 <subpar> 110C - :eek:
615 2011-03-06 14:57:34 <ArtForz> well, 3 possiblilities
616 2011-03-06 14:58:26 <ArtForz> b) different coefficient of expansion between glue/enamel/wire caused it to more-or-less rip the enamel off the wire
617 2011-03-06 14:58:45 <ArtForz> c) fuckwads at factory damaged the insulation while applying glue
618 2011-03-06 14:59:03 <ArtForz> subpar: erm... thats not THAT hot for a iron powder inductor
619 2011-03-06 14:59:22 <subpar> ArtForz:: missed that part - back to lurking
620 2011-03-06 14:59:28 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: fuckwd theory is sounding good
621 2011-03-06 15:00:00 <ArtForz> yep, when in doubt, blame chinese workers ;)
622 2011-03-06 15:01:31 <slush> [Tycho]: How many bitcoind are you running currently?
623 2011-03-06 15:02:01 <ArtForz> iirc core loss in powder core inductors goes *down* with increasing temp
624 2011-03-06 15:03:24 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: what
625 2011-03-06 15:03:30 <ArtForz> yea
626 2011-03-06 15:03:58 <Diablo-D3> thats bizzaro
627 2011-03-06 15:12:38 <slush> sipa: I added link to your nice graphs to wiki page about difficulty. Is that OK?
628 2011-03-06 15:17:45 <mortalis> Morning
629 2011-03-06 15:19:41 <JackRabiit> Hello!, is there a way to tell Deepbit.net to send me a payment or do i Have to use the auto payment, and as such, how often does it autosend, i've been waiting for 1hr past my auto payout limit
630 2011-03-06 15:20:06 <JackRabiit> wow Tycho when are you Not here? :D
631 2011-03-06 15:21:35 <JackRabiit> HI SLUSH!
632 2011-03-06 15:21:42 <JackRabiit> Oh My! it's really you!
633 2011-03-06 15:21:46 <JackRabiit> the legendary slush!
634 2011-03-06 15:22:00 <slush> lol :)
635 2011-03-06 15:22:10 <Spenvo> slush!
636 2011-03-06 15:22:12 <JackRabiit> Slush i have many questions!
637 2011-03-06 15:22:19 <Spenvo> guys, i have awesome news
638 2011-03-06 15:22:23 <JackRabiit> is there a way to tell Deepbit.net to send me a payment or do i Have to use the auto payment, and as such, how often does it autosend, i've been waiting for 1hr past my auto payout limit
639 2011-03-06 15:22:26 <[Noodles]> deepbit currently pays out once daily, afaik
640 2011-03-06 15:22:28 <JackRabiit> whats that Spenvo?
641 2011-03-06 15:22:47 <Spenvo> bitcoin is going to get talked about on this week in law with denise howell!!!!!
642 2011-03-06 15:23:02 <Spenvo> It's like this week in security, only about law
643 2011-03-06 15:23:15 <Spenvo> i got ahold of denise on twitter!
644 2011-03-06 15:23:19 <slush> JackRabiit: ask [Tycho] instead :)
645 2011-03-06 15:23:26 <JackRabiit> did
646 2011-03-06 15:23:39 <Spenvo> so tell people to tune in, lots of people will be listening
647 2011-03-06 15:23:57 <JackRabiit> Slush ty, gotta response
648 2011-03-06 15:24:14 <JackRabiit> Slush are you on of the leaders in the mining.bitcoin.cz pool?
649 2011-03-06 15:24:21 <JackRabiit> one*
650 2011-03-06 15:24:37 <slush> JackRabiit: yes, I'm mining.bitcoin.cz operator
651 2011-03-06 15:24:46 <JackRabiit> Beautiful!
652 2011-03-06 15:25:07 <JackRabiit> is thier any projected date as to weather or not/when registrations may open
653 2011-03-06 15:25:08 <JackRabiit> ?
654 2011-03-06 15:25:12 <slush> Spenvo: interesting. I'm curious how many she know about bitcoin :)
655 2011-03-06 15:25:22 <slush> JackRabiit: no :)
656 2011-03-06 15:25:27 <JackRabiit> :D
657 2011-03-06 15:25:47 <mortalis> Hey slush, out of curiosity, when are you thinking of re-opening registration?
658 2011-03-06 15:25:55 <JackRabiit> i asked that
659 2011-03-06 15:26:02 <mortalis> oh
660 2011-03-06 15:26:03 <JackRabiit> he said he doesnt think
661 2011-03-06 15:26:03 <mortalis> lol
662 2011-03-06 15:26:05 <Spenvo> steve gibson (another twit podcast show) covered it a few weeks ago and I tweeted her:  @DHowell Consider looking at Bitcoin, the crypto currency, on TWiL. Steve Gibson covered it on Security Now 287. www.bitcoin.org
663 2011-03-06 15:26:06 <mortalis> You just did haha
664 2011-03-06 15:26:22 <Diablo-D3> heh
665 2011-03-06 15:26:57 <slush> Currently there is plenty of free capacity now, but I'm planning to disconnect some of backends for testing of new version
666 2011-03-06 15:27:10 <slush> So that's the reason why I didn't open registraton again
667 2011-03-06 15:27:19 <JackRabiit> oooo real news!
668 2011-03-06 15:27:23 <mortalis> I see I see, makes sense
669 2011-03-06 15:27:57 <Blitzboom> when will that be, Spenvo?
670 2011-03-06 15:27:59 <JackRabiit> i've got 220Mhash/secs of power and i want in teh pool! whatcha think slush? fast? average? could be better?
671 2011-03-06 15:28:07 <Blitzboom> this week in law
672 2011-03-06 15:28:13 <Blitzboom> monday?
673 2011-03-06 15:28:14 <Diablo-D3> ye gods
674 2011-03-06 15:28:18 <Diablo-D3> theres a witcoin identica group?
675 2011-03-06 15:28:26 <slush> JackRabiit: 220Mhash is fine, it is above current average on the pool
676 2011-03-06 15:28:33 <JackRabiit> woohoo!
677 2011-03-06 15:28:35 <slush> average is around 100Mhash/s
678 2011-03-06 15:28:36 <Diablo-D3> http://ur1.ca/3b8l1
679 2011-03-06 15:28:38 <JackRabiit> YUMMY!
680 2011-03-06 15:28:44 <Diablo-D3> that steve gibson shit
681 2011-03-06 15:28:59 <Spenvo> this friday: http://twit.tv/twil101
682 2011-03-06 15:29:18 <JackRabiit> Slush you probly get this alot but do you ever hand out personal invitations to register?
683 2011-03-06 15:29:41 <Spenvo> the show will probably bore everybody to death, but thousands of lawyers listen in
684 2011-03-06 15:29:44 <Blitzboom> ok, thanks
685 2011-03-06 15:29:55 <JackRabiit> I really dont like being in the Deepbit pool, because i havent a clue where the coins are coming from
686 2011-03-06 15:29:57 <Diablo-D3> https://identi.ca/group/bc
687 2011-03-06 15:30:09 <Diablo-D3> more people need to join that
688 2011-03-06 15:30:19 <slush> JackRabiit: what do you mean?
689 2011-03-06 15:30:35 <slush> JackRabiit: DeepBit currently works in the same principe as my pool
690 2011-03-06 15:30:50 <JackRabiit> Okay,
691 2011-03-06 15:30:58 <JackRabiit> but ur pool is better!
692 2011-03-06 15:31:05 <JackRabiit> teehee
693 2011-03-06 15:31:08 <Spenvo> g2g find my car, cya
694 2011-03-06 15:31:15 <JackRabiit> DUDE WHERES MY CAR?
695 2011-03-06 15:31:23 <JackRabiit> i dunno dude wheres your car?
696 2011-03-06 15:31:32 <Spenvo> right, all i know is i woke up in a bookstore this morning
697 2011-03-06 15:31:37 <Diablo-D3> and
698 2011-03-06 15:31:38 <slush> JackRabiit: Thanks, and I'm working on next improvements :)
699 2011-03-06 15:31:39 <Diablo-D3> my pool is better
700 2011-03-06 15:31:42 <Diablo-D3> and its not even done yet
701 2011-03-06 15:31:56 <JackRabiit> D3 your sounding like a troll
702 2011-03-06 15:32:18 <slush> Diablo-D3 isn't troll, but he has very specific humour
703 2011-03-06 15:32:21 <slush> ;)
704 2011-03-06 15:32:27 <Diablo-D3> JackRabiit: except Im actually writing pool software
705 2011-03-06 15:32:33 <JackRabiit> i know he's not one, jus sayin
706 2011-03-06 15:32:57 <JackRabiit> I know whom you are Diablo-D3 you have your own proggy, i disliked it an used poclbm-gui
707 2011-03-06 15:33:08 <JackRabiit> no offense intended
708 2011-03-06 15:33:21 <[Noodles]> "but ur pool is better!" sounds like trolling too, just sayin', especially if you never have been connected to it
709 2011-03-06 15:33:30 <JackRabiit> ^
710 2011-03-06 15:33:40 <JackRabiit> lol
711 2011-03-06 15:33:42 <Diablo-D3> JackRabiit: so basically, you chose a slower miner because you're nuts.
712 2011-03-06 15:33:43 <JackRabiit> yeah..........
713 2011-03-06 15:33:57 <JackRabiit> How isit that you Know it's slower?
714 2011-03-06 15:34:04 <nanotube> JackRabiit: try also the bitpenny pool.
715 2011-03-06 15:34:21 <Diablo-D3> because I wrote mine to be faster.
716 2011-03-06 15:35:01 <slush> every time I disconnect my miners, pool found many block in the row
717 2011-03-06 15:35:20 <Blitzboom> disconnect your miners!
718 2011-03-06 15:35:23 <JackRabiit> but i wanna join slush's cawse he's acute and.... i dont really know, but his pool draws my attention alot. for some reason i assume thier is a higher amout of BTC's total in the pool to scramble for
719 2011-03-06 15:35:31 <slush> Blitzboom: :-D
720 2011-03-06 15:35:38 <Diablo-D3> Im not sure if slush's pool is the answer
721 2011-03-06 15:35:43 <Diablo-D3> and Im pretty sure bitpenny isnt.
722 2011-03-06 15:35:47 <JackRabiit> yeah
723 2011-03-06 15:35:50 <JackRabiit> def not bitpenny
724 2011-03-06 15:35:55 <JackRabiit> Deepbit seems to be the one
725 2011-03-06 15:36:09 <Diablo-D3> who runs deepbit?
726 2011-03-06 15:36:11 <subpar> I am on deepbit as I was too late to join slush
727 2011-03-06 15:36:12 <nanotube> JackRabiit: you seem to misunderstand how pools work, if you say things like "btcs in the pool to scramble for"
728 2011-03-06 15:36:19 <subpar> [Tycho] runs deepbit
729 2011-03-06 15:36:38 <Diablo-D3> well maybe I can get [Tycho] to take his down and switch to mine when I get mine up
730 2011-03-06 15:37:02 <JackRabiit> I do misundetstand how pools work. to my knowledge, 50BTC's get tossed in randomly and the pool gets a proportional amout of those coins
731 2011-03-06 15:37:22 <Diablo-D3> JackRabiit: not randomly, one of the miners for the pool produced it
732 2011-03-06 15:37:22 <JackRabiit> although i am incorrect about the random part and the 50 BTCpart
733 2011-03-06 15:37:42 <subpar> [Tycho] snd slush have had some fun discussions on the forums.  IIRC [Tycho] mines for slush as well (or did)
734 2011-03-06 15:38:10 <subpar> snd/and
735 2011-03-06 15:38:15 <JackRabiit> So someone is activly throwing away 50BTC's? or is thier like one mysterious miner millionair thats funding everything, i Really do not understand where the coins are coming from
736 2011-03-06 15:38:24 <nanotube> ;;bc,wiki pooled mining
737 2011-03-06 15:38:25 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Pooled_mining | Pooled mining is an approach where multiple generating clients contribute to the generation of a block, and then split the block reward according the ...
738 2011-03-06 15:38:29 <nanotube> JackRabiit: --^ read that
739 2011-03-06 15:38:33 <Diablo-D3> JackRabiit: you do understand how normal mining works, right?
740 2011-03-06 15:38:49 <nanotube> see also ,,(bc,wiki how bitcoin works)
741 2011-03-06 15:38:50 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/How_bitcoin_works | http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2487.0 A forum thread with some good 'for-the-layperson' explanations of how bitcoin works. ...
742 2011-03-06 15:38:52 <bitbot> i want to understand Connection refused.
743 2011-03-06 15:38:55 <nanotube> Diablo-D3: clearly he does not. :)
744 2011-03-06 15:39:01 <Diablo-D3> nanotube: apparently not
745 2011-03-06 15:39:02 <nanotube> subpar: see ,,(bc,wiki gribble)
746 2011-03-06 15:39:03 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Gribble | Feb 17, 2011 ... gribble is a modified Supybot IRC bot, carrying some useful bitcoin-related commands and factoids. The bot's command sequence is ';;' ...
747 2011-03-06 15:39:03 <JackRabiit> yar
748 2011-03-06 15:39:08 <JackRabiit> i do not apparently
749 2011-03-06 15:39:23 <subpar> nanotube: cheers for that
750 2011-03-06 15:39:30 <nanotube> subpar: :)
751 2011-03-06 15:39:53 <Diablo-D3> basically, the pool server hands miners data to mine
752 2011-03-06 15:40:30 <Diablo-D3> if one of them produces a valid block, they cant send it in themselves because they dont have the actual full block
753 2011-03-06 15:40:32 <Diablo-D3> just the header
754 2011-03-06 15:46:39 <Tril> Jackrabbit: the miner creates 50 bitcoins out of thin air. If the block includes a hash matching the current difficulty, the rest of the network accepts the coins.
755 2011-03-06 15:48:23 <Tril> the trick about pools is the workers are creating 50 bitcoins to be credited to the pool manager. so the pool manager pays them for their time by verifying hashes matching a _lower_ difficulty- which proves they were doing hashing for the pool (trying to make a real block)
756 2011-03-06 15:49:34 <Tril> it can scale to sub-pools too, although I haven't seen one so far :)
757 2011-03-06 15:55:12 <[Noodles]> compute4cash might just be a sub-pool, or bitpenny too, who could tell?
758 2011-03-06 15:55:31 <ArtForz> pools all the way down?
759 2011-03-06 15:55:37 <[Noodles]> :D
760 2011-03-06 15:55:47 <[Noodles]> nah, that was turtles
761 2011-03-06 15:57:08 <ArtForz> right.
762 2011-03-06 16:06:02 <JackRabiit> Hi everyone again! especially slush cause im heavily drawn to him for some mysterious reason, ANYHOW, i finally understand the full workings of the pools except for one part: these pools.... They generate 50bitcoins outta thin air and then we hash it all out.... How can we increse the rate at wich the pool can generate coins, to my understanding wich is most likely wrong, rougly every 10mins 50 coins get gen'd into the net, a
763 2011-03-06 16:06:26 <JackRabiit> What is despensing these 50 coins
764 2011-03-06 16:07:23 <subpar> "The System"
765 2011-03-06 16:07:28 <lfm> JackRabiit: well thats the magic of bitcoin.
766 2011-03-06 16:07:29 <JackRabiit> do these 50coins come in one block in wich the pool argue and get an equally random chance to claim the bulk amount
767 2011-03-06 16:07:46 <JackRabiit> or is it divide between pools
768 2011-03-06 16:08:06 <JackRabiit> lol "the system" and "thats the magic of bitcoin" what great responses lol
769 2011-03-06 16:08:11 <lfm> the hashes you are computing for the pool are actually kinda like lottery tickets and you are looking for a winner
770 2011-03-06 16:08:19 <JackRabiit> Yes
771 2011-03-06 16:08:22 <JackRabiit> keep going
772 2011-03-06 16:08:45 <subpar> did you read the 9 or so page pdf on the website?
773 2011-03-06 16:08:48 <lfm> its only a 10 min average, it coud be much more or much les
774 2011-03-06 16:08:58 <JackRabiit> pdf? Crap.
775 2011-03-06 16:08:59 <lfm> less
776 2011-03-06 16:09:25 <subpar> http://www.bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
777 2011-03-06 16:09:45 <JackRabiit> thanks for teh link
778 2011-03-06 16:09:54 <subpar> it isn't light reading...
779 2011-03-06 16:10:31 <JackRabiit> Okay so one "system" we'll call it dispenses 50BTC's and the pool's are in lottery for the bulk 50? wich then get split up?
780 2011-03-06 16:10:47 <subpar> yep - basically
781 2011-03-06 16:11:35 <subpar> to "the system" a pool is no different than an individual user running bitcoin themselves
782 2011-03-06 16:11:38 <JackRabiit> And this lottery... what determines the odds? #of people = chance for 1 guy/pool
783 2011-03-06 16:11:48 <JackRabiit> Wow
784 2011-03-06 16:11:50 <JackRabiit> okay so
785 2011-03-06 16:11:53 <JackRabiit> then if i solo mine
786 2011-03-06 16:12:04 <JackRabiit> i have a chance to Magically luck out and get 50BTC's?
787 2011-03-06 16:12:08 <subpar> yes
788 2011-03-06 16:12:26 <subpar> http://www.alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator.php
789 2011-03-06 16:12:29 <JackRabiit> Lol? and the odds of getting that are depicted by the Difficulty?
790 2011-03-06 16:12:44 <subpar> look here and enter your hash rate (note it is in khps and NOT mhps)
791 2011-03-06 16:12:52 <JackRabiit> Wow you are just full of usefull info subpar!!
792 2011-03-06 16:13:08 <sethsethseth> i just "lucked out" overnight, love it when that happens.  pass go and collect $50
793 2011-03-06 16:13:18 <subpar> yes - as difficulty increases the average time to generate a block (50 BTC) increases
794 2011-03-06 16:13:19 <JackRabiit> 220Mhps=220000khps?
795 2011-03-06 16:13:42 <subpar> JackRabiit: I am not sure if it is 1000 or 1024 - believe 1000
796 2011-03-06 16:13:53 <JackRabiit> Huh?
797 2011-03-06 16:13:58 <JackRabiit> oh
798 2011-03-06 16:14:00 <JackRabiit> OH
799 2011-03-06 16:14:08 <subpar> Kilo / Mega for storage is /1024
800 2011-03-06 16:14:15 <subpar> Most else is base 1000
801 2011-03-06 16:14:17 <JackRabiit> Yar
802 2011-03-06 16:14:42 <ArtForz> anything/s is usually 1000 by tradition
803 2011-03-06 16:15:01 <subpar> ArtForz: thanks for setting me (us) straight
804 2011-03-06 16:15:43 <subpar> JackRabiit: so you see an average of 12d13h28m for your hash rate
805 2011-03-06 16:16:10 <ArtForz> and thanks to HD marketing weasels 1024 for storage is also going the way of the dodo ...
806 2011-03-06 16:16:15 <subpar> great luck (50%) is 8 days and bad luck (95%) is 37 days
807 2011-03-06 16:16:37 <subpar> ArtForz: ahh - I see
808 2011-03-06 16:17:25 <subpar> put in the current hashrate of deepbit or slush's pool and you see the time drops substantially
809 2011-03-06 16:18:42 <ArtForz> though award for most fucked up size goes to the 1.44MB floppy... 1.44 * 1000 * 1024 bytes ...
810 2011-03-06 16:19:24 <JackRabiit> Yeah....so Subpar it would seem like pool mining would be a better choice for me?
811 2011-03-06 16:20:21 <sethsethseth> dude what is wrong with the mtgox live chart http://www.thenewsh.com/~newsham/x/mtgox/
812 2011-03-06 16:20:27 <sethsethseth> where can i see all the orders
813 2011-03-06 16:20:46 <subpar> JackRabiit: Pools take a fee so that gets factored in...
814 2011-03-06 16:21:02 <JackRabiit> wow th i just d/c'd
815 2011-03-06 16:21:06 <subpar> 3% for deepbit and 2% for slush
816 2011-03-06 16:21:10 <subpar> JackRabiit: Pools take a fee so that gets factored in...
817 2011-03-06 16:21:18 <subpar> missed that when you d/c
818 2011-03-06 16:22:16 <subpar> it is reaching the point - especially when you have a 95% number out almost 40 days that the difficulty can increase 2 or 3 times in that timeframe
819 2011-03-06 16:22:47 <JackRabiit> One last question: if http://www.alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator.php is correct, and a group pool gets id'd as One guy, then doesnt that mean that the <50 Ghash pool's will have a higher chance to grab the 50? and therefore we should all join the dastest pool?
820 2011-03-06 16:22:52 <subpar> Diablo-D3: I have nothing aginst fees - what is the "return" for you then if no fees?
821 2011-03-06 16:23:12 <JackRabiit> i argee with subpar
822 2011-03-06 16:23:20 <ArtForz> he still has to figure out 2. ??? ;)
823 2011-03-06 16:23:31 <Diablo-D3> JackRabiit: yes, but you dont want any single pool over 50% of the total computational power
824 2011-03-06 16:23:44 <Diablo-D3> so we need basically two pools.
825 2011-03-06 16:23:55 <Diablo-D3> neither being over 50% of the computational power.
826 2011-03-06 16:23:57 <ArtForz> 3
827 2011-03-06 16:23:57 <JackRabiit> but thiers 3/4?
828 2011-03-06 16:24:02 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: 2.
829 2011-03-06 16:24:15 <ArtForz> 2 is waay to close if one starts cheating
830 2011-03-06 16:24:15 <subpar> ArtForz: I operate under the assumption that most everyone is a greedy capitalist pig (self included)
831 2011-03-06 16:24:17 <Diablo-D3> subpar: I wrote a miner, theres no return on that
832 2011-03-06 16:24:19 <JackRabiit> 2=optimal 3=current 4=wtf another one?
833 2011-03-06 16:24:32 <Diablo-D3> JackRabiit: well, when Im done, it'll be wtf another one
834 2011-03-06 16:24:33 <subpar> Diablo-D3: "Street Cred" is the return
835 2011-03-06 16:24:41 <Diablo-D3> subpar: I have street cred in spades, dude
836 2011-03-06 16:24:56 <subpar> Otherwise you would have made a one time anonymous post
837 2011-03-06 16:25:18 <Diablo-D3> anonymous cant hold copyrights, dude.
838 2011-03-06 16:25:40 <subpar> OK - so what was the motivation then?
839 2011-03-06 16:25:48 <Diablo-D3> there isnt one.
840 2011-03-06 16:25:52 <subpar> we all do things based on some type of motivation, no?
841 2011-03-06 16:25:54 <Aciid> turn off your radiators for the winter. run a mining rig (Y)
842 2011-03-06 16:26:05 <JackRabiit> ^ lol
843 2011-03-06 16:26:23 <Diablo-D3> subpar: I felt like it
844 2011-03-06 16:26:25 <Diablo-D3> that, and m0's sucks
845 2011-03-06 16:26:36 <subpar> Diablo-D3: I still need to try your miners BTW ;-)
846 2011-03-06 16:27:16 <JackRabiit> D3 you cant just say that poclbm-gui sucks, i'd say it's #1 right now
847 2011-03-06 16:27:25 <subpar> but the gui w/ poclbm is very simple...
848 2011-03-06 16:27:28 <JackRabiit> i've tried all but yours
849 2011-03-06 16:27:37 <JackRabiit> simple is good no?
850 2011-03-06 16:27:44 <subpar> not always
851 2011-03-06 16:27:47 <JackRabiit> true
852 2011-03-06 16:27:50 <subpar> simple is simple
853 2011-03-06 16:27:55 <JackRabiit> Agreed
854 2011-03-06 16:27:57 <JackRabiit> Fully
855 2011-03-06 16:28:22 <subpar> off to go read the Diablo miner thread to figure how to get it working
856 2011-03-06 16:28:28 <Diablo-D3> why would anyone need a gui?
857 2011-03-06 16:28:29 <Diablo-D3> it mines.
858 2011-03-06 16:28:32 <JackRabiit> but im not expeiancing any defficites so ergo the simplicity is not a issue....
859 2011-03-06 16:28:43 <JackRabiit> GUI=for lazy people
860 2011-03-06 16:28:46 <Diablo-D3> JackRabiit: and no, I suspect more people use my miner
861 2011-03-06 16:28:59 <Diablo-D3> how is it for lazy people?
862 2011-03-06 16:29:03 <Diablo-D3> you set three fucking things
863 2011-03-06 16:29:13 <JackRabiit> In cmd promts
864 2011-03-06 16:29:18 <JackRabiit> verses clikc 3 things
865 2011-03-06 16:29:25 <Diablo-D3> no, you cant click those 3 things
866 2011-03-06 16:29:30 <Diablo-D3> you STILL have to type them
867 2011-03-06 16:29:46 <Diablo-D3> username, password, host address.
868 2011-03-06 16:30:00 <JackRabiit> Oh w/e meng you know nobody likes using CMD unless they liked Linux or are smart enough to code their own sheet
869 2011-03-06 16:30:28 <Diablo-D3> Jack, no offense, but not everyone is a fucking dumbass.
870 2011-03-06 16:30:33 <subpar> I am fine with command line in linux as I run headless servers - but windows (where I mine) I want point/click
871 2011-03-06 16:30:34 <JackRabiit> Teehee
872 2011-03-06 16:30:45 <Diablo-D3> subpar: yeah, but you still gotta type in the shit
873 2011-03-06 16:30:48 <Diablo-D3> its the same shit.
874 2011-03-06 16:30:54 <subpar> one time and it is saved
875 2011-03-06 16:31:01 <JackRabiit> ^
876 2011-03-06 16:31:06 <Diablo-D3> I never close this terminal
877 2011-03-06 16:31:11 <JackRabiit> thats you
878 2011-03-06 16:31:12 <subpar> yes I can make a .bat file
879 2011-03-06 16:31:13 <JackRabiit> not everyone else
880 2011-03-06 16:31:21 <subpar> I get that Diablo-D3
881 2011-03-06 16:31:34 <Aciid> I use batch files
882 2011-03-06 16:31:35 <Diablo-D3> oh, and slush needs to output URLs
883 2011-03-06 16:31:42 <Diablo-D3> because my client supports --url now
884 2011-03-06 16:31:48 <JackRabiit> THREAD DERAILER WATCH OUT
885 2011-03-06 16:31:55 <slush> which URL?
886 2011-03-06 16:31:58 <Diablo-D3> so thats ONE thing you have to type in
887 2011-03-06 16:32:01 <Diablo-D3> slush: miner url
888 2011-03-06 16:32:11 <Aciid> *CHOOCHOO*
889 2011-03-06 16:32:21 <Aciid> how do you like kittens?
890 2011-03-06 16:32:24 <Diablo-D3> http://Diablo-D3.infinity:fuckyou@mining.bitcoin.cz:8332
891 2011-03-06 16:32:26 <Diablo-D3> like that.
892 2011-03-06 16:32:38 <slush> hm, no problem, pool will accept that
893 2011-03-06 16:32:51 <Diablo-D3> yes, but your web doesnt output it automagically
894 2011-03-06 16:32:52 <JackRabiit> i like them asleep
895 2011-03-06 16:32:55 <Diablo-D3> so people cant just copypasta
896 2011-03-06 16:33:00 <slush> oh so
897 2011-03-06 16:33:08 <JackRabiit> slush woke up!
898 2011-03-06 16:33:12 <slush> well, all current users know the correct form :)
899 2011-03-06 16:33:19 <slush> And I'll make it for new verson
900 2011-03-06 16:33:22 <Diablo-D3> slush: yeah, but JackRabiit is arguing everyones a lazy slob
901 2011-03-06 16:33:32 <JackRabiit> What?! i am not!
902 2011-03-06 16:33:37 <JackRabiit> dont put words in my mouth!
903 2011-03-06 16:33:45 <Diablo-D3> oh, and Im _pretty_ sure https should work fine with my client
904 2011-03-06 16:34:31 <slush> https - no, thans
905 2011-03-06 16:34:32 <slush> thanks
906 2011-03-06 16:34:34 <slush> any reason why?
907 2011-03-06 16:34:40 <JackRabiit> hehehehh