1 2011-03-09 00:00:02 <phantomcircuit> hmm that's the last block i have
  2 2011-03-09 00:02:22 <agorist> with bitcoin's guaranteed price deflation over time, hoarding will be the norm, driving interest rates down and hence guaranteeing increased production, making everyone wealthier
  3 2011-03-09 00:02:25 <agorist> this is amazing
  4 2011-03-09 00:02:26 <agorist> :D :D
  5 2011-03-09 00:02:58 <agorist> this will change the world
  6 2011-03-09 00:03:12 <agorist> we will become light beings!
  7 2011-03-09 00:03:15 <agorist> eventually
  8 2011-03-09 00:03:17 <agorist> :p
  9 2011-03-09 00:04:35 <genjix> mizerydearia: yeah the posts by sgnornick
 10 2011-03-09 00:04:56 <genjix> Sirius: maybe make signornicks posts higher profile?
 11 2011-03-09 00:05:08 <genjix> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4288.0
 12 2011-03-09 00:05:26 <genjix> he's been doing this consistently... might merit having a front page news feef
 13 2011-03-09 00:05:29 <genjix> feed
 14 2011-03-09 00:06:54 <phantomcircuit> SELECT hash FROM blocks WHERE hash NOT IN (SELECT prev_hash FROM blocks);
 15 2011-03-09 00:06:58 <phantomcircuit> 0 results
 16 2011-03-09 00:07:06 <phantomcircuit> er
 17 2011-03-09 00:07:19 <luke-jr> mizerydearia: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/History
 18 2011-03-09 00:08:17 <phantomcircuit> http://codepad.org/ZmC5OJ8s
 19 2011-03-09 00:08:47 <phantomcircuit> the 3rd query clearly shows that the 1st should have returned that hash
 20 2011-03-09 00:08:51 <phantomcircuit> or amidoinitwrong
 21 2011-03-09 00:09:11 <agorist> nanotube: what could replace gpus for mining ?
 22 2011-03-09 00:10:39 <luke-jr> agorist: custom chips like ArtForz has
 23 2011-03-09 00:11:04 <agorist> :o
 24 2011-03-09 00:11:10 <agorist> me want
 25 2011-03-09 00:12:44 <genjix> luke-jr: is that a joke? :O
 26 2011-03-09 00:12:59 <genjix> custom chips... like arduinos?
 27 2011-03-09 00:13:24 <luke-jr> genjix: ArtForz had a bunch of chips fabbed just for mining
 28 2011-03-09 00:14:44 <genjix> haha brilliant
 29 2011-03-09 00:16:00 <sipa> $50000 investment
 30 2011-03-09 00:16:24 <sipa> 100 chips, each using 7W and doing 200MH/s
 31 2011-03-09 00:17:45 <genjix> crysis must be as hot as a pedophile in a playschool
 32 2011-03-09 00:17:54 <luke-jr> I wonder if that's what keeps getting turned on/off
 33 2011-03-09 00:19:09 <luke-jr> sgornick: poclbm-mod doesn't seem to improve anything besides output formatting :P
 34 2011-03-09 00:20:35 <sgornick> I couldn't even get it to finish downloading (timeout), ... so why do they claim 100% efficiency?
 35 2011-03-09 00:20:54 <mizerydearia> Does anyone know how to contact George Carlin?
 36 2011-03-09 00:21:02 <mizerydearia> Has anyone contacted George Carlin and introduced Bitcoin to him?
 37 2011-03-09 00:21:13 <spenvo> try twitter
 38 2011-03-09 00:21:20 <mizerydearia> I don't use twitter =/
 39 2011-03-09 00:21:30 <mizerydearia> Can someone send George Carlin a message on twitter and introduce bitcoin to him? ^_^
 40 2011-03-09 00:21:36 <spenvo> kk
 41 2011-03-09 00:22:14 <sgornick> Are you referring to the george carlin who died a couple years ago?
 42 2011-03-09 00:22:23 <mizerydearia> oh?
 43 2011-03-09 00:22:35 <mizerydearia> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q&NR=1
 44 2011-03-09 00:22:39 <mizerydearia> boooo =/
 45 2011-03-09 00:22:44 <mizerydearia> he's dead?
 46 2011-03-09 00:23:04 <agorist> rip george carling :(
 47 2011-03-09 00:23:06 <Cusipzzz> Carlin is dead
 48 2011-03-09 00:23:12 <luke-jr> wtf is a Wallet ID?
 49 2011-03-09 00:23:33 <luke-jr> sgornick: my guess is it only improves pool mining
 50 2011-03-09 00:23:50 <mizerydearia> boo, that really sucks
 51 2011-03-09 00:24:00 <genjix> he made good beer
 52 2011-03-09 00:24:14 <spenvo> damn web irc
 53 2011-03-09 00:24:15 <genjix> but we still have that brand in the uk?
 54 2011-03-09 00:24:50 <spenvo> mizerydearia: on that note, this is what i've been posting to my [intelligent] friends on facebook, use it where you can:
 55 2011-03-09 00:24:52 <genjix> http://lateorders.com/images/Carling.jpg
 56 2011-03-09 00:24:56 <spenvo> I'm curious if you've heard of Bitcoin (BTC). It's a new type of currency--unique in that it's not associated with a central banking authority, nor is it dependent on trusted third parties (Paypal) for online transactions. If you haven't heard about BTC, you'll probably read about it sometime soon. Here's the wikipedia article on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin
 57 2011-03-09 00:25:05 <genjix> lol u use spazzbook
 58 2011-03-09 00:25:12 <genjix> LAMER
 59 2011-03-09 00:25:16 <mizerydearia> what's facebook?
 60 2011-03-09 00:25:25 <Cusipzzz> i think it's like myspace
 61 2011-03-09 00:25:29 <mizerydearia> what's that?
 62 2011-03-09 00:25:31 <genjix> mizerydearia: its where all the nolifers go
 63 2011-03-09 00:25:32 <spenvo> hahaha, use it where you can beotch
 64 2011-03-09 00:25:50 <spenvo> wassup cusipz!
 65 2011-03-09 00:25:52 <genjix> bitch, look how popular i am and witty.
 66 2011-03-09 00:25:52 <mizerydearia> oh, is that like alamak.com but bigger?
 67 2011-03-09 00:26:03 <Cusipzzz> heya spenvo
 68 2011-03-09 00:26:05 <mizerydearia> e.g. http://alamak.com/
 69 2011-03-09 00:26:29 <genjix> haha this alamak site looks real ghetto
 70 2011-03-09 00:26:51 <spenvo> mizery, why aren't you on twitter.  doesn't have to connect back to a real name, necessarily - and you want to get in touch with people
 71 2011-03-09 00:26:52 <mizerydearia> genjix, it's from like 1995 or so
 72 2011-03-09 00:26:59 <Cusipzzz> i think it's a smaller Orkut
 73 2011-03-09 00:27:00 <mizerydearia> a few updates since then though
 74 2011-03-09 00:27:21 <jgarzik> where, if one pool dies, miner automatically falls back to another
 75 2011-03-09 00:27:38 <mizerydearia> spenvo, because I don't have time for socializing on Internet besides irc?
 76 2011-03-09 00:27:48 <mizerydearia> irc > twitter
 77 2011-03-09 00:28:04 <spenvo> big words for someone who hasn't tried it
 78 2011-03-09 00:28:06 <genjix> mizerydearia: heh im same... i only use mutt + irc for online contact :)
 79 2011-03-09 00:28:09 <mizerydearia> spenvo, I have tried it
 80 2011-03-09 00:28:13 <luke-jr> jgarzik: just run 2 instances?
 81 2011-03-09 00:28:14 <spenvo> hmm
 82 2011-03-09 00:28:35 <mizerydearia> spenvo, I have many twitter accounts, but I rarely ever use any of them
 83 2011-03-09 00:28:36 <genjix> i prefer to just speak about topics, not to personalities
 84 2011-03-09 00:28:49 <spenvo> that's not trying it
 85 2011-03-09 00:28:51 <mizerydearia> yes, twitter is popular, but that doesn't imply betterness
 86 2011-03-09 00:29:06 <mizerydearia> spenvo, I have sent many messages in the past and received responses and rt of my posts
 87 2011-03-09 00:29:10 <spenvo> well, i've had good experience with getting in touch with people i don't know / having phone calls etc
 88 2011-03-09 00:29:14 <agorist> what if lfnet gets ddosed? would that bring bring the bitcoin network temporarily to a halt ?
 89 2011-03-09 00:29:16 <genjix> i.e #math #bitcoin #cooltopic, not John Doe, Tracy Blaa, Mr X
 90 2011-03-09 00:29:25 <mizerydearia> spenvo, I do admit that it may seem like a great way to contact just about anyone though
 91 2011-03-09 00:29:26 <genjix> agorist: no
 92 2011-03-09 00:29:34 <mizerydearia> however, I do not actively use twitter
 93 2011-03-09 00:29:35 <agorist> genjix, why no
 94 2011-03-09 00:29:37 <mizerydearia> anymore
 95 2011-03-09 00:29:56 <genjix> agorist: it's just one convenient method of bootstrapping (finding other nodes) but not neccessary.
 96 2011-03-09 00:30:13 <agorist> what are the other methods
 97 2011-03-09 00:30:13 <mizerydearia> gah, my name is really long compared to everyone else's
 98 2011-03-09 00:30:26 <spenvo> mizery, yes irc is terrific open, easy to communicate, real time etc; twitter is a lesser version of irc in many ways, except that the audience is huge
 99 2011-03-09 00:30:36 <genjix> theres a list hardcoded of 300 starter nodes
100 2011-03-09 00:30:36 <jgarzik> agorist: -addnode, -connect, compiled-in fallback nodes
101 2011-03-09 00:30:36 <mizerydearia> yeah
102 2011-03-09 00:30:50 <mizerydearia> it would be awesome to establish a kind of twitter-like site based on irc
103 2011-03-09 00:31:03 <agorist> jgarzik, thanks that makes sense :p
104 2011-03-09 00:31:14 <FellowTraveler1> hi all
105 2011-03-09 00:31:14 <spenvo> mizery, lol, i can't imagine how fast the stream would be
106 2011-03-09 00:31:22 <agorist> twitter <<< irc
107 2011-03-09 00:31:23 <spenvo> wassup fellow!
108 2011-03-09 00:31:34 <genjix> i want a voice version of irc
109 2011-03-09 00:31:43 <mizerydearia> hehe, how would that work?
110 2011-03-09 00:31:44 <MagicalTux> genjix, mumble?
111 2011-03-09 00:31:47 <mizerydearia> teamspeak?  ventrilo?
112 2011-03-09 00:31:49 <genjix> like vent
113 2011-03-09 00:32:33 <genjix> thats why i dont like all these things like facebook, msn, skype, .etc
114 2011-03-09 00:32:41 <genjix> they're centered around your friends
115 2011-03-09 00:32:49 <genjix> whereas irc is centered around topics
116 2011-03-09 00:33:01 <genjix> like how websites work
117 2011-03-09 00:33:33 <spenvo> here's the thing about twitter and elicitting responses from big shots/e-celebrities- if you contact them publically with the @ sign, they feel like they're being watched and have a social obligation to reply to you.  that has it's advantages
118 2011-03-09 00:33:49 <spenvo> e-celebs like george carlin if he were alive
119 2011-03-09 00:33:50 <mizerydearia> yeah, witcoin is centered around topics too
120 2011-03-09 00:34:07 <mizerydearia> reddit, stackoverflow also
121 2011-03-09 00:34:17 <genjix> <3 stackoverflow format
122 2011-03-09 00:34:30 <genjix> the site works technically very well
123 2011-03-09 00:34:30 <mizerydearia> genjix, what in particular do you like about stackoverflow format?
124 2011-03-09 00:35:07 <genjix> the main thing is how you can tell it's written by programmers because it's very polished :p
125 2011-03-09 00:35:08 <mizerydearia> <spenvo> here's the thing about twitter and elicitting responses from big shots/e-celebrities- if you contact them publically with the @ sign, they feel like they're being watched and have a social obligation to reply to you.  that has it's advantages
126 2011-03-09 00:35:12 <[Tycho]> ;;bc,stats
127 2011-03-09 00:35:20 <genjix> but also the threaded format
128 2011-03-09 00:35:30 <genjix> big responses/smaller ones
129 2011-03-09 00:35:31 <mizerydearia> spenvo, Yeah, too bad my personal family rarely respond to anything I write to them.  I bet they would respond if our discussions were public
130 2011-03-09 00:35:44 <gribble> Current Blocks: 112804 | Current Difficulty: 55590.23763914 | Next Difficulty At Block: 112895 | Next Difficulty In: 91 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 9 hours, 15 minutes, and 6 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 77024.78048780
131 2011-03-09 00:36:07 <mizerydearia> hmm, big responses/smaller ones?
132 2011-03-09 00:36:30 <genjix> mizerydearia: but if you look at stackoverflow, the other branches of that site are all geared towards nerdy technical subjects
133 2011-03-09 00:36:40 <genjix> so i think that format is hard for normal people
134 2011-03-09 00:36:45 <mizerydearia> mm
135 2011-03-09 00:36:47 <genjix> normal people prefer yahoo answers
136 2011-03-09 00:36:56 <mizerydearia> genjix, Also it seems that each branch uses its own database
137 2011-03-09 00:37:00 <spenvo> <mizerdearia>if it makes you feel any better, my pops chewed me out today because he wants me to look for a "real" job and found out that i had started another project instead
138 2011-03-09 00:37:24 <spenvo> god i hate web irc
139 2011-03-09 00:37:31 <mizerydearia> mibbit?
140 2011-03-09 00:37:34 <agorist> spenvo, get mirc!
141 2011-03-09 00:37:42 <mizerydearia> spenvo, ms comic chat
142 2011-03-09 00:37:44 <mizerydearia> it makes irc fun!
143 2011-03-09 00:37:45 <genjix> so..... i've learnt that examining my workflow is worthless because im very atypical
144 2011-03-09 00:37:56 <genjix> things seem logical to me are confusing for others
145 2011-03-09 00:38:02 <spenvo> if that's a desktop client i can't cause i'm at a public computer
146 2011-03-09 00:38:16 <genjix> things that seem messy to me are good for others
147 2011-03-09 00:38:31 <genjix> look at the front page of yahoo.com ... i think that page has a terrible design
148 2011-03-09 00:38:37 <genjix> it's just a mess
149 2011-03-09 00:38:42 <mizerydearia> ewww, that's dirty
150 2011-03-09 00:38:53 <genjix> yet, that site is one of the most popular sites worldwide
151 2011-03-09 00:39:00 <genjix> it's a new portal for many people
152 2011-03-09 00:39:08 <mizerydearia> yahoo is only popular because of name recognition
153 2011-03-09 00:39:10 <genjix> so whatever...
154 2011-03-09 00:39:15 <mizerydearia> e.g. it was one of the first sites to exist
155 2011-03-09 00:39:28 <spenvo> just today got a ui/ux guy to redesign the bulletin
156 2011-03-09 00:39:31 <genjix> really? i've heard that people like it
157 2011-03-09 00:39:51 <genjix> i mean look at yahoo answers
158 2011-03-09 00:39:57 <mizerydearia> yahoo Santa Clara, California (March 1, 1995)
159 2011-03-09 00:40:02 <genjix> so many retarded people post on there
160 2011-03-09 00:40:10 <mizerydearia> founded date o/
161 2011-03-09 00:40:29 <genjix> don't you think there's a UI design for less technical than more technical people?
162 2011-03-09 00:40:34 <mizerydearia> In April 1994, "David and Jerry's Guide to the World Wide Web" was renamed "Yahoo!".
163 2011-03-09 00:40:36 <genjix> both being mutually exclusive.
164 2011-03-09 00:41:22 <mizerydearia> It's kind of like bitcoin community (a subcommunity of internet community)
165 2011-03-09 00:41:26 <genjix> one is clunky/obvious, the other informative/streamlined.
166 2011-03-09 00:41:39 <mizerydearia> Many of us early adopters established more recognition than newcomers
167 2011-03-09 00:41:40 <genjix> yahoo answers vs stackoverflow
168 2011-03-09 00:41:55 <mizerydearia> although I am not that early of an adopter
169 2011-03-09 00:43:45 <genjix> "Outburst-prone actor Charlie Sheen is reportedly seeking a social media intern to manage his Twitter account."
170 2011-03-09 00:43:53 <genjix> what kind of line of work is that?
171 2011-03-09 00:43:56 <mizerydearia> heh, intern
172 2011-03-09 00:44:01 <mizerydearia> what gender?
173 2011-03-09 00:44:18 <genjix> where can one do social media studies?
174 2011-03-09 00:44:28 <mizerydearia> in charlie sheen's special room?
175 2011-03-09 00:45:16 <luke-jr> mizerydearia: earlier than me
176 2011-03-09 00:45:26 <luke-jr> mizerydearia: where'd you disappear to like all January btw?
177 2011-03-09 00:45:33 <mizerydearia> luke-jr, mm, I came during first /. article
178 2011-03-09 00:45:40 <mizerydearia> luke-jr, =/  homelessness
179 2011-03-09 00:45:51 <luke-jr> mizerydearia: landlord wouldn't take ur BTCs? :p
180 2011-03-09 00:45:55 <mizerydearia> heh
181 2011-03-09 00:45:57 <spenvo> sorry to steer the discussion from winning and tiger blood, i thought yall might want to see this / rage against the fed. you tube vid: This is why Bitcoin may increase in value. High level Fed officials are unable to answer basic questions coherently:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYNVNhB-m0o&feature=youtube_gdata_player
182 2011-03-09 00:46:05 <luke-jr> mizerydearia: if you recall, you introduced me to bitcoin on Gregorian new years'
183 2011-03-09 00:46:06 <spenvo> and i'm out
184 2011-03-09 00:46:16 <mizerydearia> luke-jr, oh?
185 2011-03-09 00:46:19 <luke-jr> XD
186 2011-03-09 00:46:32 <mizerydearia> I actually don't remember.
187 2011-03-09 00:46:37 <luke-jr> in #freenode-newyears
188 2011-03-09 00:46:42 <mizerydearia> oooh, right!
189 2011-03-09 00:46:43 <mizerydearia> awesome!
190 2011-03-09 00:46:46 <luke-jr> XD
191 2011-03-09 00:47:04 <mizerydearia> yeah, I've been trying to spamvertise it occasionally
192 2011-03-09 00:47:11 <luke-jr> I was busy telling everyone the Tonal new year had started a week or so earlier
193 2011-03-09 00:47:13 <mizerydearia> there's a lot of opposition, but oh well, people are stupid
194 2011-03-09 00:47:20 <luke-jr> then all of a sudden you piqued my interest
195 2011-03-09 00:47:24 <mizerydearia> woo
196 2011-03-09 00:47:38 <mizerydearia> trying to overcome stupidity is difficult
197 2011-03-09 00:47:39 <luke-jr> mizerydearia: I find a lot of opposition even here
198 2011-03-09 00:47:41 <luke-jr> yeah
199 2011-03-09 00:47:49 <mizerydearia> it's not just with bitcoin
200 2011-03-09 00:47:50 <luke-jr> same stuff for Tonal
201 2011-03-09 00:47:51 <mizerydearia> about many topics
202 2011-03-09 00:47:56 <luke-jr> that's what I mean
203 2011-03-09 00:48:06 <luke-jr> lots of people here, while open to BitCoin, are hostile to Tonal
204 2011-03-09 00:48:12 <mizerydearia> and it's not even about critical thinking
205 2011-03-09 00:48:22 <mizerydearia> it's people that don't think whatsoever and establish behaviors based on patterns
206 2011-03-09 00:48:27 <luke-jr> yep
207 2011-03-09 00:48:48 <luke-jr> mizerydearia: want a TBC?
208 2011-03-09 00:48:50 <luke-jr> :P
209 2011-03-09 00:48:55 <mizerydearia> tuberculosis?  i have no idea
210 2011-03-09 00:48:58 <luke-jr> -.-
211 2011-03-09 00:49:01 <luke-jr> Tonal BitCoin
212 2011-03-09 00:49:08 <luke-jr> you missed out on it :p
213 2011-03-09 00:49:09 <mizerydearia> oooh
214 2011-03-09 00:49:14 <luke-jr> you introduce me to BitCoin on Jan 1
215 2011-03-09 00:49:16 <mizerydearia> I read that as in what is a tbc?
216 2011-03-09 00:49:22 <luke-jr> I spec out Tonal BitCoin by Jan 2 :P
217 2011-03-09 00:49:45 <luke-jr> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Tonal_BitCoin
218 2011-03-09 00:50:00 <mizerydearia> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Tonal_BitCoin
219 2011-03-09 00:50:01 <mizerydearia> durr
220 2011-03-09 00:50:03 <mizerydearia> you beat me
221 2011-03-09 00:50:34 <mizerydearia> heh, Tam-BitCoin
222 2011-03-09 00:50:40 <mizerydearia> is there a Gam-BitCoin?
223 2011-03-09 00:50:43 <mizerydearia> or a Rab-BitCoin?
224 2011-03-09 00:50:46 <luke-jr> usually people heh over Bong-
225 2011-03-09 00:51:16 <mizerydearia> luke-jr, I imagine those people are drug-enthusiasts of sorts perhaps
226 2011-03-09 00:51:24 <mizerydearia> I am too, but not actively participant
227 2011-03-09 00:51:33 <mizerydearia> participative
228 2011-03-09 00:51:37 <luke-jr> lol
229 2011-03-09 00:51:46 <mizerydearia> e.g. if you say drugs are bad, you're dumb
230 2011-03-09 00:51:50 <genjix> heh i was spamming freenode too before
231 2011-03-09 00:52:07 <luke-jr> mizerydearia: I am anti-drugs.
232 2011-03-09 00:52:09 <mizerydearia> there should be no personal restrictions on whatever
233 2011-03-09 00:52:14 <genjix> one guy was asking about a convenient online payment system
234 2011-03-09 00:52:23 <genjix> but refused to check out bitcoin
235 2011-03-09 00:52:25 <mizerydearia> however, I am anti-progressional medicine/drug industry
236 2011-03-09 00:52:32 <luke-jr> mizerydearia: including government-approved drugs
237 2011-03-09 00:52:35 <mizerydearia> gah, I forgot the word again...
238 2011-03-09 00:52:37 <mizerydearia> drugs that do nothing?
239 2011-03-09 00:52:45 <mizerydearia> e.g. you think it does, but it's fake
240 2011-03-09 00:52:57 <genjix> placebo
241 2011-03-09 00:52:59 <Cusipzzz> placebo
242 2011-03-09 00:52:59 <mizerydearia> yep
243 2011-03-09 00:53:03 <mizerydearia> good band
244 2011-03-09 00:53:07 <genjix> haha beat you Cusipzzz !
245 2011-03-09 00:53:10 <genjix> :PPP
246 2011-03-09 00:53:15 <Cusipzzz> genjix: indeed
247 2011-03-09 00:53:19 <genjix> u suk
248 2011-03-09 00:53:23 <Cusipzzz> server lag imo
249 2011-03-09 00:53:27 <mizerydearia> ^_^
250 2011-03-09 00:53:31 <genjix> suck it up
251 2011-03-09 00:53:34 <mizerydearia> opinion
252 2011-03-09 00:53:37 <mizerydearia> not fact
253 2011-03-09 00:54:14 <luke-jr> Cusipzzz: you lie imo
254 2011-03-09 00:54:34 <luke-jr> genjix was 2 seconds earlier, and your pings are both <2 sec
255 2011-03-09 00:54:54 <mizerydearia> luke-jr, How can one lie about their opinion?
256 2011-03-09 00:55:02 <Cusipzzz> ^^
257 2011-03-09 00:55:04 <luke-jr> mizerydearia: server lag is not a matter of opinion :P
258 2011-03-09 00:55:08 <mizerydearia> luke-jr, oh?
259 2011-03-09 00:55:11 <Cusipzzz> server lag is not constant
260 2011-03-09 00:55:20 <luke-jr> Cusipzzz: hmmmmmmm
261 2011-03-09 00:55:29 <mizerydearia> It is my opinion that the server is a lie
262 2011-03-09 00:55:37 <mizerydearia> therefore the lag is artificial
263 2011-03-09 00:55:42 <luke-jr> mizerydearia: gimme an address of urs
264 2011-03-09 00:55:58 <mizerydearia> luke-jr, 2008 S 87th St, West Allis, WI 53227
265 2011-03-09 00:56:01 <luke-jr> &
266 2011-03-09 00:56:08 <luke-jr> bitcoin address n00b
267 2011-03-09 00:56:11 <Cusipzzz> lol
268 2011-03-09 00:56:11 <genjix> no cake
269 2011-03-09 00:56:14 <mizerydearia> ^_^
270 2011-03-09 00:56:17 <mizerydearia> you didn't specify?
271 2011-03-09 00:56:21 <mizerydearia> you just said address
272 2011-03-09 00:56:26 <mizerydearia> it's one of my addresses
273 2011-03-09 00:56:40 <luke-jr> mizerydearia: fine, I'll send it via nuclear missile
274 2011-03-09 00:56:42 <mizerydearia> ^_^
275 2011-03-09 00:56:54 <luke-jr> btw, that address is 3 years old
276 2011-03-09 00:56:54 <mizerydearia> alternatively, you can send monies to me at witcoin?
277 2011-03-09 00:56:57 <mizerydearia> no input from me necessary
278 2011-03-09 00:57:12 <[Tycho]> ;;bc,stats
279 2011-03-09 00:57:13 <genjix> a creepy strange man is going to appear on your doorstep tomorrow
280 2011-03-09 00:57:17 <luke-jr> if you want it, you do the work of pasting an address -.-
281 2011-03-09 00:57:20 <Cusipzzz> lol
282 2011-03-09 00:57:21 <mizerydearia> actually, it's not my address anymore
283 2011-03-09 00:57:26 <gribble> Current Blocks: 112804 | Current Difficulty: 55590.23763914 | Next Difficulty At Block: 112895 | Next Difficulty In: 91 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 9 hours, 15 minutes, and 6 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 77024.78048780
284 2011-03-09 00:57:31 <luke-jr> mizerydearia: YOU LIED!
285 2011-03-09 00:57:38 <mizerydearia> that's your opinion ^_^
286 2011-03-09 00:57:45 <luke-jr> no, you just confessed to it
287 2011-03-09 00:57:47 <genjix> i remember once i was chatting to an estonian on irc, and i posted a travel pic of me
288 2011-03-09 00:57:56 <mizerydearia> I do not confess.  I am not religi***
289 2011-03-09 00:58:02 <genjix> and some other guy i dont know, opened a pm and started calling me a faggot
290 2011-03-09 00:58:08 <genjix> and how he'd fuck me in the ass
291 2011-03-09 00:58:13 <luke-jr> mizerydearia: two unrelated statements.
292 2011-03-09 00:58:14 <mizerydearia> woo donkey sex
293 2011-03-09 00:58:23 <genjix> then started asking for my personal details... weird or what?
294 2011-03-09 00:58:37 <mizerydearia> genjix, ooh, weirdorwhat.com ?
295 2011-03-09 00:58:54 <mizerydearia> tis an idea for a site
296 2011-03-09 00:59:02 <genjix> it was on freenode btw
297 2011-03-09 00:59:12 <mizerydearia> maybe something like fml
298 2011-03-09 00:59:51 <genjix> i have an idea for a site but it involves finding somebody in iran first...
299 2011-03-09 01:00:09 <mizerydearia> luke-jr, While I appreciate the donation type of gesture, I am too lazy to winkey+f12, click, click, ctrl+c, winkey+f11, ctrl+v
300 2011-03-09 01:00:18 <mizerydearia> However, in regards to typing that out, I am not lazy.
301 2011-03-09 01:02:33 <mizerydearia> luke-jr, As a gesture of appreciation for your offer to donate (I think it was an offer?) by asking me to provide a bitcoin address, may I in return off donation to you?
302 2011-03-09 01:02:35 <genjix> winky winky click click
303 2011-03-09 01:02:55 <JunK-Y> ;;bc,stats
304 2011-03-09 01:03:17 <gribble> Current Blocks: 112804 | Current Difficulty: 55590.23763914 | Next Difficulty At Block: 112895 | Next Difficulty In: 91 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 9 hours, 15 minutes, and 6 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 77024.78048780
305 2011-03-09 01:03:23 <mizerydearia> woo gribble is slow
306 2011-03-09 01:03:32 <mizerydearia> 22 second delay.. see?  server is lagging
307 2011-03-09 01:03:35 <Cusipzzz> server lag imo
308 2011-03-09 01:03:36 <JunK-Y> ;;bc,calc 480000
309 2011-03-09 01:03:38 <Cusipzzz> ^^
310 2011-03-09 01:03:39 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 480000 Khps, given current difficulty of 55590.23763914 , is 5 days, 18 hours, 10 minutes, and 13 seconds
311 2011-03-09 01:03:39 <mizerydearia> hehe
312 2011-03-09 01:03:51 <mizerydearia> ;;ping
313 2011-03-09 01:03:52 <gribble> pong
314 2011-03-09 01:03:53 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 78000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 480000, is 43 weeks, 4 days, 21 hours, 49 minutes, and 27 seconds
315 2011-03-09 01:03:53 <JunK-Y> ;;bc,calcd 78000 480000
316 2011-03-09 01:03:58 <luke-jr> mizerydearia: 1KczVqwopWXQdFLe5sNQbpCq7yGSmXx2oo
317 2011-03-09 01:04:09 <Cusipzzz> seems to be...how i say.. inconsistent
318 2011-03-09 01:04:13 <mizerydearia> woo
319 2011-03-09 01:04:22 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 480000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 78000, is 1 week, 1 day, 1 hour, 52 minutes, and 12 seconds
320 2011-03-09 01:04:22 <JunK-Y> ;;bc,calcd 480000 78000
321 2011-03-09 01:05:36 <phantomcircuit> so it strikes me that a lot of the bitcoind code assumes the chain isn't split
322 2011-03-09 01:05:55 <mizerydearia> it must be a strong chain
323 2011-03-09 01:06:13 <mizerydearia> or at least bitcoind assumes the chain is strong
324 2011-03-09 01:06:32 <JunK-Y> the difficulty still gonna increase yay
325 2011-03-09 01:07:13 <mizerydearia> "the difficulty still.  gonna increase.  yay!"
326 2011-03-09 01:07:29 <JunK-Y> eheheh
327 2011-03-09 01:07:40 <genjix> i had to write a bio about myself
328 2011-03-09 01:07:53 <genjix> wrote about smashing the government and authority
329 2011-03-09 01:08:03 <genjix> they only took the first sentence haha
330 2011-03-09 01:08:09 <mizerydearia> they?
331 2011-03-09 01:08:19 <genjix> people i wrote bio for
332 2011-03-09 01:08:22 <JunK-Y> hopefully, the price per btc will increase too :)
333 2011-03-09 01:08:32 <molecular> oh, sipa changed his charts
334 2011-03-09 01:08:33 <genjix> JunK-Y: no no no SINK SINK
335 2011-03-09 01:08:37 <genjix> SINKKK
336 2011-03-09 01:08:38 <mizerydearia> battleship?
337 2011-03-09 01:09:22 <molecular> sipa: yeah, that's better: a 1 day window
338 2011-03-09 01:09:24 <mizerydearia> molecular: those coordinates are invalid, please try again
339 2011-03-09 01:09:36 <molecular> a7
340 2011-03-09 01:10:08 <molecular> seems I killed his command-ship ;)
341 2011-03-09 01:10:16 <genjix> nice one
342 2011-03-09 01:10:22 <molecular> thx
343 2011-03-09 01:10:44 <javagamer> I have an idea for what could hopefully be a useful bitcoin related site, but I want to just check that it makes sense.  Essentially it would let you semi-anonymously transfer BTC (in case somone knows one of your addresses) by allowing people to transfer a set amount, say 10BTC and only sending it a set time in the day along with several identical amounts, so it goes from say 50 address -> 1
344 2011-03-09 01:10:45 <javagamer> address -> 50 new addresses.  Does this make any sense?
345 2011-03-09 01:11:34 <molecular> not really (make sense).. what are you trying to achieve?
346 2011-03-09 01:11:42 <genjix> javagamer: you mean a mixing site for laundering money?
347 2011-03-09 01:11:50 <genjix> there's been some talk on this actually
348 2011-03-09 01:11:52 <javagamer> genjix: Yeah, I think so
349 2011-03-09 01:12:14 <genjix> i hope it gets done.
350 2011-03-09 01:12:27 <javagamer> I figure I could hack something together within a week, just want to be sure I wouldn't be wasting the effort
351 2011-03-09 01:12:31 <TheKid> http://bitcoinlaundry.com/
352 2011-03-09 01:12:48 <genjix> cool
353 2011-03-09 01:12:54 <genjix> so it *has* been done.
354 2011-03-09 01:12:59 <javagamer> Wow, looks like someone beat me to it :/
355 2011-03-09 01:13:03 <JFK911> hey cool this is the last missing piece before i put up bitcoinmarijuanasales.com
356 2011-03-09 01:13:13 <JFK911> i can hide the profits!!
357 2011-03-09 01:13:48 <genjix> b6
358 2011-03-09 01:14:03 <genjix> LOL
359 2011-03-09 01:14:09 <molecular> JFK911, huh? it's done: silkroad: silhttp://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3984.0;topicseen
360 2011-03-09 01:14:16 <genjix> molecular: ^
361 2011-03-09 01:14:37 <genjix> c9
362 2011-03-09 01:14:55 <genjix> e2
363 2011-03-09 01:15:03 <molecular> 4649
364 2011-03-09 01:15:22 <doublec> javagamer: there was also https://bitlaundry.appspot.com/
365 2011-03-09 01:15:27 <doublec> but I don't think it's operational anymore
366 2011-03-09 01:15:34 <mizerydearia> uhhh
367 2011-03-09 01:15:36 <mizerydearia> fail
368 2011-03-09 01:15:38 <mizerydearia> yeah, that's old
369 2011-03-09 01:16:10 <molecular> hey, you're back mizerydearia, I destroyed your command ship
370 2011-03-09 01:16:33 <mizerydearia> i noticed, and it seems to have affected me too
371 2011-03-09 01:16:51 <molecular> it should've
372 2011-03-09 01:16:53 <mizerydearia> or my connection
373 2011-03-09 01:17:09 <molecular> )
374 2011-03-09 01:17:39 <mizerydearia> yeah, when yuo first typed the coordinates, it triggered me to /quit and I wtfed....  and then genjix found exploitation opportunity and took advantage of it as I reconnected.
375 2011-03-09 01:18:02 <molecular> ah
376 2011-03-09 01:18:05 <mizerydearia> however, I have sinve evolved to not type /quit and therefore it seems it's patched now
377 2011-03-09 01:18:08 <mizerydearia> since*
378 2011-03-09 01:18:21 <molecular> good
379 2011-03-09 01:19:17 <mizerydearia> it's lesson for me to make sure my operation is secure or bug free before pushing updates
380 2011-03-09 01:19:39 <javagamer> Looking through the thread on the forum, it doesn't seem bitcoinlaundry really offers much privacy atm, plus 1% is a bit high, I was thinking of having it something more like 0.1%
381 2011-03-09 01:19:55 <mizerydearia> javagamer, wow, you must have good vision if you can look through a thread
382 2011-03-09 01:20:15 <javagamer> Hmmm?
383 2011-03-09 01:20:24 <javagamer> Oh, heh
384 2011-03-09 01:20:57 <mizerydearia> hmm, I wonder why bitcoinlaundry charges at all
385 2011-03-09 01:21:04 <doublec> to make money
386 2011-03-09 01:21:05 <mizerydearia> why not simply relay the funds
387 2011-03-09 01:21:11 <mizerydearia> but it is such a simple task
388 2011-03-09 01:21:14 <mizerydearia> 1% is a LOT
389 2011-03-09 01:21:22 <mizerydearia> for such simple ability
390 2011-03-09 01:21:44 <molecular> mizerydearia has been drinking from the silkroad faucet ?
391 2011-03-09 01:21:49 <doublec> I'd make it super low just to discourage spam and encourage usage
392 2011-03-09 01:21:54 <knotwork> depends how much money oyu can rake in before going to the big house for laundering mony
393 2011-03-09 01:22:00 <genjix> javagamer: you should randomise the amounts +/- but generally charge a little less for profit
394 2011-03-09 01:22:07 <doublec> laundering virtual bits you mean
395 2011-03-09 01:22:14 <genjix> so there's a mismatch between amounts sent
396 2011-03-09 01:22:39 <mizerydearia> "money laundering" phrase is only established to instill fear in people
397 2011-03-09 01:22:40 <genjix> javagamer: also have the recipient have to specify several addresses for each 10 btc
398 2011-03-09 01:23:09 <mizerydearia> e.g. if you accept to be kidnaped, raped, tortured, wtfever because you are 'caught'  money laundering, then you are naive.
399 2011-03-09 01:23:13 <mizerydearia> kidnapped
400 2011-03-09 01:23:14 <molecular> genjix, good idea
401 2011-03-09 01:23:31 <javagamer> genjix: I was thinking just only allow certain amounts so one couldn't tell them apart
402 2011-03-09 01:23:34 <[Tycho]> "I'd make it super low just to discourage spam" - how this would affect spam ?
403 2011-03-09 01:23:52 <javagamer> As-in, only allow say powers of 10
404 2011-03-09 01:24:03 <genjix> javagamer: ok well still do the multiple end addresses thing
405 2011-03-09 01:24:15 <doublec> [Tycho]: because someone spamming the service with trades back and forth between addresses they'd run out of money with a small fee
406 2011-03-09 01:24:28 <mizerydearia> additionally, another question regarding bitcoinlaundry.com is: what if you send 0.01 bitcoins to an address?  how much does the site take?
407 2011-03-09 01:24:36 <mizerydearia> what if you send 0.01 bitcoins 10000 times?
408 2011-03-09 01:24:47 <javagamer> genjix: That sounds like a good idea
409 2011-03-09 01:24:50 <molecular> genjix, you really wnat the multi-outpoint-distribution-thing, ay?
410 2011-03-09 01:25:00 <molecular> me too
411 2011-03-09 01:25:05 <genjix> yes definitely
412 2011-03-09 01:25:05 <luke-jr> molecular: that's already written and in a pull request
413 2011-03-09 01:25:10 <genjix> was planning it myself
414 2011-03-09 01:25:20 <genjix> but glad javagamer is taking it on too :p
415 2011-03-09 01:25:20 <molecular> luke-jr, link?
416 2011-03-09 01:25:30 <javagamer> Also, is 0.1% too high? I'd like to be able to make a few BTC, but I could probably go lower
417 2011-03-09 01:25:39 <genjix> no it's fine
418 2011-03-09 01:25:44 <molecular> yes, fine
419 2011-03-09 01:25:45 <genjix> i think you should charge 1%
420 2011-03-09 01:25:46 <luke-jr> molecular: github somewhere
421 2011-03-09 01:25:52 <genjix> because your volume will be very low
422 2011-03-09 01:25:57 <molecular> luke-jr, hehe, figured
423 2011-03-09 01:26:01 <genjix> it's more proof of concept
424 2011-03-09 01:26:06 <Cusipzzz> if you charge a variable fee, it will help launder :)
425 2011-03-09 01:26:45 <mizerydearia> Actually, I think more than one site should establish a kind of "money laundering" technique
426 2011-03-09 01:26:53 <mizerydearia> that way if one site is taken down, then there are still others
427 2011-03-09 01:26:58 <genjix> no
428 2011-03-09 01:27:00 <mizerydearia> no?
429 2011-03-09 01:27:02 <mizerydearia> hmm
430 2011-03-09 01:27:06 <genjix> it's better to have 1 site monopolising this
431 2011-03-09 01:27:15 <luke-jr> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/106
432 2011-03-09 01:27:16 <genjix> it obfuscates the transactions better
433 2011-03-09 01:27:16 <mizerydearia> mm
434 2011-03-09 01:27:17 <Kiba> w h y ?
435 2011-03-09 01:27:30 <doublec> the site needs a lot of transactions to actually work
436 2011-03-09 01:27:34 <mizerydearia> Kiba, what have you?
437 2011-03-09 01:27:40 <doublec> unless they back it using mtgox or mybitcoin.com
438 2011-03-09 01:27:41 <knotwork> washingmachine@home code would be better idea maybe
439 2011-03-09 01:27:49 <Kiba> i  a m  t o o  s l o w  a p p e r a n t l y
440 2011-03-09 01:27:51 <doublec> they could send to an account there and then send transactions out from that
441 2011-03-09 01:28:00 <doublec> so the coins are mixed with all of the ones in mtgox/mybitcoin
442 2011-03-09 01:28:07 <knotwork> distributed P2P laundry system
443 2011-03-09 01:28:34 <genjix> i read about a drug dealer laundering money through comic books recently
444 2011-03-09 01:28:49 <genjix> so....about time someone did some selling to them.
445 2011-03-09 01:28:49 <luke-jr> molecular: that link was for you btw
446 2011-03-09 01:29:03 <knotwork> the superheroes turned him in? ;) (the comix guy)
447 2011-03-09 01:29:05 <molecular> doublec, there are not really coins, are there. bitcoin is just an transaction-accounting-system backed by proof-of-work
448 2011-03-09 01:29:08 <mizerydearia> javagamer, maybe make the amount selectable?  e.g. 1% as default, but allow user to select if they would like less or more?
449 2011-03-09 01:29:20 <luke-jr> molecular: there are indeed coins
450 2011-03-09 01:29:36 <molecular> luke-jr, thx, rcvd link
451 2011-03-09 01:29:53 <luke-jr> if someone sends you 5 BTC, you have a single 5 BTC coin there
452 2011-03-09 01:30:16 <luke-jr> if you then want to send me 3 BTC, you have to take that 5 BTC and split it into two coins: 3 BTC and 2 BTC
453 2011-03-09 01:30:25 <luke-jr> you send the 2 BTC coin back to yourself, and the 3 BTC coin to me
454 2011-03-09 01:30:50 <genjix> if we got online cash flowing and common place... this will revolutionise linux
455 2011-03-09 01:30:54 <doublec> molecular's point (I think) is there is no 'coin' structure. The actual values are calculated using the transaction-accounting system
456 2011-03-09 01:31:04 <mizerydearia> genjix, revolutionize linux?
457 2011-03-09 01:32:07 <javagamer> I'm thinking .1% default so fewer people change it, but have an option for 0.01% or maybe even lower
458 2011-03-09 01:32:26 <javagamer> Just worried no one would leave it on if I made it optional
459 2011-03-09 01:32:49 <doublec> have a .1% fee with a 0.1 minimum fee
460 2011-03-09 01:32:49 <javagamer> I think I'll open-source my code though and just hope my site stays the most popular
461 2011-03-09 01:32:57 <doublec> or something like that
462 2011-03-09 01:32:59 <genjix> mizerydearia: allow ideologically driven hackers to do what they love and value?
463 2011-03-09 01:33:00 <molecular> ah, luke-jr, I see. the rpc-interface to send to mulitple addresses. when I said "genjix, you really wnat the multi-outpoint-distribution-thing, ay?", I was referring to genjix' idea of the laundry service sending your money back distributed among mulitple adresses
464 2011-03-09 01:33:12 <javagamer> That should give people peace of mind if they can see its insides
465 2011-03-09 01:33:30 <mizerydearia> genjix, mm, nice way to phrase it
466 2011-03-09 01:33:51 <genjix> money is a game changer... even the smallest amounts.
467 2011-03-09 01:34:00 <mizerydearia> yar, hence witcoin ^_^
468 2011-03-09 01:35:38 <molecular> luke-jr, "<luke-jr> if someone sends you 5 BTC, you have a single 5 BTC coin there" <- that's not true... you have a key that enables you to spend these 5 BTC.. that same key might enable you to spend other BTC received from other transactions... as doublec pointed out, I'm trying to say that there is no "coin object" or stuff like that. bitcoin is just an accounting system like the ones we despise of.. just has different
469 2011-03-09 01:35:39 <molecular> (null)
470 2011-03-09 01:36:23 <molecular> ups, did I exceed some irc message size limit?
471 2011-03-09 01:36:33 <molecular> ..properties
472 2011-03-09 01:36:37 <javagamer> Is there one php API that's the best, or should I take a look at them all?
473 2011-03-09 01:37:12 <doublec> good luck look at them 'all'. Might take a while!
474 2011-03-09 01:37:30 <doublec> (or did you mean php bitcoin api?)
475 2011-03-09 01:37:36 <mizerydearia> heh
476 2011-03-09 01:38:03 <molecular> kinda like: good luck mining with cpu..
477 2011-03-09 01:38:42 <[Tycho]> ;;bc,stats
478 2011-03-09 01:38:43 <mizerydearia> I'm still using an abacus to calculate a hash
479 2011-03-09 01:38:44 <gribble> Current Blocks: 112811 | Current Difficulty: 55590.23763914 | Next Difficulty At Block: 112895 | Next Difficulty In: 84 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 8 hours, 32 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 76995.78279342
480 2011-03-09 01:40:07 <javagamer> Woops, definitely meant PHP Bitcoin API, don't think I'll need anything more than that
481 2011-03-09 01:41:05 <molecular> good think MM left, otherwise we'd have more than 77000 difficulty in 8 hours
482 2011-03-09 01:41:47 <molecular> why did he leave, though... was mining causing harm to his botnet?
483 2011-03-09 01:43:19 <genjix> javagamer: theres only 1 worth using
484 2011-03-09 01:43:24 <genjix> javagamer: see the wiki
485 2011-03-09 01:43:57 <javagamer> genjix: Alright, thanks
486 2011-03-09 01:45:46 <openedu> hai
487 2011-03-09 01:46:21 <openedu> So I'm a noob to bitcoin and I have a few questions...hopefully somebody can answer them...
488 2011-03-09 01:46:24 <molecular> hey openedu
489 2011-03-09 01:46:30 <molecular> all of them
490 2011-03-09 01:46:46 <openedu> alright, let me think about how to phrase this
491 2011-03-09 01:47:00 <molecular> just blurt it out
492 2011-03-09 01:47:54 <openedu> Freenet, is basically a network that everybody contribute a little piece to, so say you allocate 10 gigs to freenet, that in turn gives the network 10 gigs to hold information in
493 2011-03-09 01:48:02 <openedu> is bitcoin similar?
494 2011-03-09 01:48:19 <[Tycho]> openedu, not really. Everyone in bitcoin holds all the data.
495 2011-03-09 01:48:32 <molecular> there is an effort to replace the traditional p2p networking component of bitcoin by freenet
496 2011-03-09 01:48:42 <molecular> ask xelister about that
497 2011-03-09 01:48:49 <[Tycho]> If there is 4000 bitcoin nodes, then there is 4000 copies of bitcoin chain.
498 2011-03-09 01:48:55 <molecular> yes
499 2011-03-09 01:49:19 <openedu> yes but it seems as if all this CPU "energy" in being concentrated somewhere
500 2011-03-09 01:49:20 <molecular> openedu, bitcoin is not about publishing anonymity like freent
501 2011-03-09 01:49:51 <molecular> openedu, the goal of the p2p-part of bitcoin is basically "broadcast"
502 2011-03-09 01:50:09 <[Tycho]> openedu, all the GPU energy is completely independent.
503 2011-03-09 01:50:41 <genjix> Sirius: the forums are fucked up
504 2011-03-09 01:51:27 <molecular> openedu, the anonymity of transaction is not enforced by some anonymity of network node
505 2011-03-09 01:51:46 <openedu> SO, when I download all the blocks, and I am connecting to various nodes, what is the point of all this besides generating "bitcoins" to trade for services?
506 2011-03-09 01:52:24 <[Tycho]> openedu, the point of connecting is to exchange information about transactions.
507 2011-03-09 01:52:29 <molecular> openedu, the idea is to establish the block-chain
508 2011-03-09 01:52:39 <luke-jr> openedu: buying and earning bitcoins
509 2011-03-09 01:52:42 <molecular> openedu, encoded within-which are the transactions
510 2011-03-09 01:52:52 <openedu> the comparison to freenet wasnt a concern about anonymity, it just seemed as if it was similar in the sense of storing information
511 2011-03-09 01:53:27 <molecular> " what is the point of all this besides generating "bitcoins" to trade for services?" <- that's most of the bitcoin idea: have money to trade and service ;)
512 2011-03-09 01:53:30 <openedu> like, everybody contributes a little bit, as you use eachothers nodes to gain power
513 2011-03-09 01:53:31 <luke-jr> openedu: bitcoin stores a history of coins
514 2011-03-09 01:53:49 <luke-jr> openedu: CPU/GPU time used by mining is useless
515 2011-03-09 01:54:00 <luke-jr> mining is not the point of bitcoin at all
516 2011-03-09 01:54:26 <molecular> openedu, no, we dont use each-other to gain power. bitcoin power comes from people using it as money.
517 2011-03-09 01:55:20 <openedu> hhhmmmm, I'll just keep reading, it will eventually become clear.  Like I said, I'm a noob *O*
518 2011-03-09 01:55:36 <luke-jr> openedu: mining is bruteforcing SHA-256. nothing more.
519 2011-03-09 01:55:43 <molecular> we're offering digital gold
520 2011-03-09 01:55:59 <luke-jr> molecular: the purpose depends on who you talk to.
521 2011-03-09 01:56:15 <openedu> and i totally dig that aspect mol
522 2011-03-09 01:56:17 <luke-jr> few people care about "a world more free"
523 2011-03-09 01:56:19 <molecular> openedu, sleep over it and talk to people about it... it will be more clear to you as you can bear soon ;)
524 2011-03-09 01:56:34 <molecular> luke-jr, I think the amount of
525 2011-03-09 01:56:43 <molecular> people caring about a world
526 2011-03-09 01:56:46 <molecular> "more free"
527 2011-03-09 01:56:52 <molecular> is higher here than elsewhere
528 2011-03-09 01:56:56 <luke-jr> yes, probably
529 2011-03-09 01:57:05 <luke-jr> but not enough to make it a sole reason to adopt bitcoin
530 2011-03-09 01:57:23 <Cusipzzz> freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose
531 2011-03-09 01:57:23 <luke-jr> I, for one, am pretty satisfied with silver and gold
532 2011-03-09 01:57:27 <openedu> so what happens when the amount of users exceeds the amount of avail. bitcoins?
533 2011-03-09 01:57:29 <luke-jr> from a freedom perspective
534 2011-03-09 01:57:39 <molecular> which reasons exist to "adopt" bitcoin?
535 2011-03-09 01:57:43 <luke-jr> openedu: never will
536 2011-03-09 01:57:55 <luke-jr> molecular: for me, Tonal support
537 2011-03-09 01:58:00 <molecular> silver and gold cannot be used to do business online
538 2011-03-09 01:58:52 <openedu> Along the lines of business....How will a company benefit from accepting bitcoins as currency?
539 2011-03-09 01:59:14 <openedu> besides being able to trade for services
540 2011-03-09 01:59:17 <luke-jr> openedu: there are over 2 quadrillion raw bitcoin units
541 2011-03-09 01:59:39 <luke-jr> .5 quadrillion, today
542 2011-03-09 02:00:05 <genjix> i'd rather have real money than gold :p
543 2011-03-09 02:00:15 <luke-jr> 72,463 for every human alive
544 2011-03-09 02:00:15 <openedu> i wouldnt
545 2011-03-09 02:00:20 <openedu> gold goes up in value
546 2011-03-09 02:00:21 <luke-jr> genjix: gold is real money
547 2011-03-09 02:00:30 <luke-jr> more real than bitcoins, even
548 2011-03-09 02:00:34 <genjix> i mean fiat or whatever it is
549 2011-03-09 02:00:34 <Kiba> so that is 72463 satoshi
550 2011-03-09 02:00:49 <luke-jr> Kiba: are you serious about calling raw bitcoins "satoshi"? :P
551 2011-03-09 02:01:02 <Kiba> why not?
552 2011-03-09 02:01:08 <luke-jr> >_<
553 2011-03-09 02:01:14 <luke-jr> I can't think of a reason why not
554 2011-03-09 02:01:18 <luke-jr> just wondering if you're serious
555 2011-03-09 02:01:25 <Kiba> yes, I am serious!
556 2011-03-09 02:01:30 <openedu> satoshi is a little too weaboo
557 2011-03-09 02:01:38 <EvanR_> shi for short
558 2011-03-09 02:01:50 <luke-jr> Kiba: & I'll let you add it to the Units wiki page then >.>
559 2011-03-09 02:02:04 <Kiba> luke-jr: others like the idea too
560 2011-03-09 02:02:14 <luke-jr> Kiba: go ahead and add it then. I'm not going to :P
561 2011-03-09 02:02:42 <Maccer> Well done fellow agorists/anti-statists: http://silkroadmarket.org, well done. And yes, very relevant.
562 2011-03-09 02:04:19 <openedu> I saw a pot delivery service on Tor a few years back..thought it was an awesome idea, and it seemed totally legit
563 2011-03-09 02:04:28 <Kiba> I am not into the whole pot and drugs thing
564 2011-03-09 02:04:42 <luke-jr> Maccer: isn't it a reasonable assumption that the person who owns that domain runs it?
565 2011-03-09 02:04:42 <openedu> wonder if they're still around, I haven't been on Tor in awhile
566 2011-03-09 02:05:27 <Diablo-D3> 22:04:56,322 INFO  [STDOUT] start
567 2011-03-09 02:05:28 <Diablo-D3> 22:04:56,322 INFO  [STDOUT] finish
568 2011-03-09 02:05:31 <Diablo-D3> how much time passed?
569 2011-03-09 02:05:49 <Diablo-D3> less than 1/100th of a second?
570 2011-03-09 02:06:17 <Diablo-D3> I think Im reading this right
571 2011-03-09 02:06:20 <Maccer> luke-jr, bah, I'm having trouble remembering legal jargon... but uhh, reasonable doubt?
572 2011-03-09 02:06:21 <luke-jr> ;;bc,stats
573 2011-03-09 02:06:23 <gribble> Current Blocks: 112816 | Current Difficulty: 55590.23763914 | Next Difficulty At Block: 112895 | Next Difficulty In: 79 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 8 hours and 35 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 77016.49320374
574 2011-03-09 02:06:46 <Maccer> I'm just curious how many people on #bitcoin-dev are agorists/anti-statists/anarchists, I've talked to a lot on here.
575 2011-03-09 02:06:47 <luke-jr> Maccer: that assumes they don't find more evidence when they investigate you
576 2011-03-09 02:07:10 <luke-jr> Maccer: whois silkroadmarket.org is no doubt enough for a search warrant
577 2011-03-09 02:07:16 <Maccer> Ehh, oh well, at least I'm not running the business. :)
578 2011-03-09 02:07:39 <luke-jr> oh well, I hope they get shutdown :
579 2011-03-09 02:07:52 <openedu> Maccer: unless it's a honeypot op
580 2011-03-09 02:07:56 <Maccer> Hey... who's side are you on luke-jr? D:
581 2011-03-09 02:08:10 <Maccer> "Richard Page" owns about 55 other domains
582 2011-03-09 02:08:26 <luke-jr> Maccer: in this case, the State.
583 2011-03-09 02:08:33 <Maccer> Has his address on it, but I think it might be fake.
584 2011-03-09 02:09:14 <Maccer> luke-jr: THE STATE? HERESY!
585 2011-03-09 02:09:26 <luke-jr> Maccer: prove it
586 2011-03-09 02:10:00 <Maccer> I have a feeling this guy doesn't know what he's doing.
587 2011-03-09 02:10:09 <luke-jr> breaking the law, obviously
588 2011-03-09 02:11:01 <EvanR_> Maccer: luke-jr is on the side of good
589 2011-03-09 02:11:40 <Maccer> http://tinyurl.com/thestateisillegitimate
590 2011-03-09 02:11:45 <Maccer> ^ registrant's address
591 2011-03-09 02:12:02 <luke-jr> Maccer: now THAT URI's text is heresy
592 2011-03-09 02:12:13 <Maccer> *whistles*
593 2011-03-09 02:12:38 <EvanR_> the state is legitimate? in north korea?
594 2011-03-09 02:13:07 <Maccer> Of course! They signed the social contract, EvanR_!
595 2011-03-09 02:14:41 <EvanR_> contracts rely on law
596 2011-03-09 02:14:47 <EvanR_> were not even there yet
597 2011-03-09 02:15:21 <Maccer> But... but the majority agreed on it!
598 2011-03-09 02:15:28 <luke-jr> States are by definition legitimate.
599 2011-03-09 02:15:56 <Netsniper> what is a state?
600 2011-03-09 02:15:58 <luke-jr> except Israel
601 2011-03-09 02:16:28 <Maccer> States may consider themselves legitimate, but the arbitrary land claim is not. :P
602 2011-03-09 02:16:29 <mizerydearia> luke-jr, so, does that mean you condone use of initiation of force and violence to stop someone from selling items such as drugs?
603 2011-03-09 02:16:34 <Maccer> *breaks character*
604 2011-03-09 02:17:06 <luke-jr> mizerydearia: maybe
605 2011-03-09 02:17:38 <EvanR_> lol luke-jr
606 2011-03-09 02:17:38 <mizerydearia> luke-jr, Do you agree that every single human existence regardless of which country, island, or region they live in must not consume drugs such as cocaine?
607 2011-03-09 02:17:51 <luke-jr> mizerydearia: you would have to consult a social theologian on that one
608 2011-03-09 02:18:01 <luke-jr> mizerydearia: no
609 2011-03-09 02:18:01 <mizerydearia> luke-jr, What is your stance?
610 2011-03-09 02:18:06 <Maccer> I think he's just fooling around, lol.
611 2011-03-09 02:18:19 <EvanR_> youd think
612 2011-03-09 02:18:22 <luke-jr> at least not as far as States are concerned
613 2011-03-09 02:18:26 <mizerydearia> luke-jr, Okay, so it is okay for at least one human existence to consume cocaine?
614 2011-03-09 02:18:48 <luke-jr> mizerydearia: I don't know. But if you're outside the jurisdiction of StateX, then StateX has no authority to forbid it
615 2011-03-09 02:19:07 <Maccer> I used to be a Stefbot Voluntaryist, but I kind of lost the moral strings attached to anti-statism.
616 2011-03-09 02:19:14 <luke-jr> if the local jusisdiction neglects to forbid it, it falls back on natural law
617 2011-03-09 02:19:27 <Maccer> Kind of... my early stages from libertarianism to anti-statism I guess.
618 2011-03-09 02:20:01 <EvanR_> natural law cant really apply to a single person alone on earth
619 2011-03-09 02:20:11 <EvanR_> what he does is monumentally irrelevant
620 2011-03-09 02:20:55 <EvanR_> single people alone in the universe and a world full of people who do things they way we want them to are both useless scenarios for ethics and politics
621 2011-03-09 02:21:58 <mizerydearia> how about married people? ^_^
622 2011-03-09 02:23:37 <EvanR_> if one of the married people religious
623 2011-03-09 02:23:50 <EvanR_> if one of the married people is a serial killer
624 2011-03-09 02:24:01 <EvanR_> then we have somewhere to go
625 2011-03-09 02:25:07 <mizerydearia> home?
626 2011-03-09 02:25:13 <mizerydearia> back to school?
627 2011-03-09 02:25:38 <EvanR_> with a dialectic or something ;)
628 2011-03-09 02:25:38 <mizerydearia> bananas?
629 2011-03-09 02:26:23 <Maccer> Ahh, #bitcoin-dev feels like home.
630 2011-03-09 02:26:32 <mizerydearia> there's no place like hoem
631 2011-03-09 02:26:54 <EvanR_> im not comfortable with the logging
632 2011-03-09 02:27:06 <Maccer> There's no place like #bitcoin-dev... and... me neither.
633 2011-03-09 02:27:20 <mizerydearia> join #bitcoin-discussion then
634 2011-03-09 02:27:23 <luke-jr> EvanR_: I am logging you
635 2011-03-09 02:27:40 <EvanR_> so is nanotube, but id rather that than a webpage
636 2011-03-09 02:33:16 <mizerydearia> heh, it was fairly dead in discussion channel until a few minutes ago.  Now it is dead in here.
637 2011-03-09 02:33:33 <Maccer> Actually... it just started. :P
638 2011-03-09 02:33:47 <mizerydearia> hmm?
639 2011-03-09 02:34:06 <mizerydearia> ~6 minutes ago
640 2011-03-09 02:34:15 <Maccer> In #bitcoin-discussion
641 2011-03-09 02:34:22 <mizerydearia> yes, six minutes ago
642 2011-03-09 02:36:57 <genjix> github's down
643 2011-03-09 02:37:26 <mizerydearia> aww
644 2011-03-09 02:37:42 <mizerydearia> it could be that you found a page that took too long to render
645 2011-03-09 02:38:18 <mizerydearia> mysql offline
646 2011-03-09 02:38:31 <luke-jr> genjix: good
647 2011-03-09 02:38:35 <luke-jr> genjix: Gitorious, remember?
648 2011-03-09 02:38:45 <mizerydearia> well
649 2011-03-09 02:38:47 <genjix> i wanted to look at the tickets
650 2011-03-09 02:39:01 <mizerydearia> github got knocked down, but it'll get up again... you'll never be able to keep it down
651 2011-03-09 02:39:35 <genjix> it would be nicer if gitorious was used.
652 2011-03-09 02:39:48 <mizerydearia> suggest to gavin?
653 2011-03-09 02:40:43 <genjix> they know the arguments already
654 2011-03-09 02:41:19 <mizerydearia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Github indicates that github is still online
655 2011-03-09 02:44:45 <nanotube> genjix: no issue tracker on gitorious, iirc.
656 2011-03-09 02:44:50 <nanotube> genjix: that's a big downer.
657 2011-03-09 02:45:19 <jgarzik> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4313.0
658 2011-03-09 02:45:21 <jgarzik> 
659 2011-03-09 02:46:55 <Lachesis> jgarzik, is there any good security reason to require miner auth for getwork() ?
660 2011-03-09 02:47:24 <jgarzik> Lachesis: no, but there is a need to associate returned getwork unit with a user account
661 2011-03-09 02:47:29 <Lachesis> yeah yeah
662 2011-03-09 02:47:49 <Lachesis> but is there any danger to people submitting work under your name?
663 2011-03-09 02:48:17 <Lachesis> i.e. do i really need a miner password field in my database?
664 2011-03-09 02:48:22 <jgarzik> Lachesis: I could call myself 'slush' and then start a DoS.  So, impersonation risk.
665 2011-03-09 02:48:34 <Lachesis> true
666 2011-03-09 02:48:51 <genjix> nanotube: that is... didn't know that. BTW is there a way to assign myself tickets?
667 2011-03-09 02:49:45 <Lachesis> jgarzik, ty
668 2011-03-09 02:55:42 <sgornick> "A release candidate of CUDA Toolkit 4.0 will be available free of charge beginning March 4, 2011, by enrolling in the CUDA Registered Developer Program." http://drdobbs.com/high-performance-computing/229219474
669 2011-03-09 02:59:58 <genjix> .|..
670 2011-03-09 03:00:02 <genjix> |  |
671 2011-03-09 03:06:12 <mmarker> sgornick: ?
672 2011-03-09 03:07:03 <nanotube> genjix: dunno much about the github issue tracker. :)
673 2011-03-09 03:07:23 <sgornick> mmarker: what's up?
674 2011-03-09 03:07:40 <mmarker> The CUDA Toolkit?
675 2011-03-09 03:09:04 <sgornick> Last weeks news but I Just now saw it, (in Dr. Dobbs)... so posted it here in case anyone cared.
676 2011-03-09 03:09:13 <genjix> google is free of charge now
677 2011-03-09 03:10:06 <mizerydearia> github is back online!
678 2011-03-09 03:12:09 <mmarker> hmm, isn't nvidia hardware faster at floating point than integer?
679 2011-03-09 03:13:05 <validus> guys, best crossfire mobo
680 2011-03-09 03:13:17 <validus> im worried of the cards covering up my sata ports on this mobo
681 2011-03-09 03:13:37 <sgornick> mmarker: How much time do you have?   ... http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=745
682 2011-03-09 03:16:47 <Diablo-D3> oh wee
683 2011-03-09 03:16:51 <Diablo-D3> guess what I just noticed.
684 2011-03-09 03:17:01 <Diablo-D3> my pool software works
685 2011-03-09 03:18:38 <Diablo-D3> takes about 50 lines to proxy json back and forth.
686 2011-03-09 03:39:33 <holoport> sup
687 2011-03-09 03:39:43 <farzong> haha!
688 2011-03-09 03:39:52 <farzong> my friend wants to buy some coin.. who's the best exchanger
689 2011-03-09 03:41:31 <Diablo-D3> probably mtgox
690 2011-03-09 03:41:37 <farzong> ok cool
691 2011-03-09 03:42:32 <doublec> or coinpal
692 2011-03-09 03:44:47 <farzong> http://mtgox.com/trade/history
693 2011-03-09 03:44:59 <luke-jr> farzong: mtgox is a pain
694 2011-03-09 03:45:04 <farzong> interesting.. why the dip in prices in mid feb
695 2011-03-09 03:45:06 <farzong> it is?
696 2011-03-09 03:45:06 <luke-jr> farzong: sell him some yourself?
697 2011-03-09 03:45:17 <farzong> no way man.. im keeping them!
698 2011-03-09 03:45:32 <luke-jr> farzong: hoarder
699 2011-03-09 03:45:37 <farzong> haha
700 2011-03-09 03:45:44 <farzong> yes my 150 btc hoard!
701 2011-03-09 03:46:05 <Aciid> AAAAAAAAAAAA+++++ for coinpal
702 2011-03-09 03:46:18 <Aciid> would buy again
703 2011-03-09 03:46:56 <farzong> coinpal is cool ... but 5.5% tx fee vs 0.65% for goc
704 2011-03-09 03:46:57 <farzong> x
705 2011-03-09 03:47:12 <luke-jr> farzong: but mtgox doesn't accept PayPal
706 2011-03-09 03:47:42 <farzong> i think they do
707 2011-03-09 03:47:47 <luke-jr> farzong: they don't.
708 2011-03-09 03:47:57 <Aciid> farzong: trade from EURO account
709 2011-03-09 03:48:03 <gasteve> farzong: I sell people some and buy back on OTC
710 2011-03-09 03:48:06 <Aciid> a hole in there
711 2011-03-09 03:48:23 <x6763> farzong: mtgox's paypal account was frozen a while back...mtgox doesn't use paypal anymore
712 2011-03-09 03:48:34 <Aciid> I lost 7e -> 0.8??? -> 10BTC
713 2011-03-09 03:48:39 <Aciid> coinpal
714 2011-03-09 03:48:40 <Aciid> ;P
715 2011-03-09 03:48:43 <farzong> oh i c
716 2011-03-09 03:48:45 <gasteve> it just makes it easier than setting them up on any of the exchanges or OTC
717 2011-03-09 03:49:00 <farzong> graypal
718 2011-03-09 03:49:12 <Aciid> i2p why so java
719 2011-03-09 03:49:22 <gasteve> (and they can avoid the fees of services like coinpal)
720 2011-03-09 03:49:24 <luke-jr> farzong: he could drive to Atlanta or Roswell
721 2011-03-09 03:49:38 <luke-jr> gasteve is in Roswell
722 2011-03-09 03:49:51 <x6763> coinpal is the easiest way to get bitcoins, though it costs you
723 2011-03-09 03:49:59 <gasteve> though I usually tell them to use coinpal first
724 2011-03-09 03:50:06 <farzong> so mtgox is the biggest exchange?
725 2011-03-09 03:50:10 <luke-jr> farzong: yes
726 2011-03-09 03:50:11 <nanotube> ;;topic change 3 s/01/02/
727 2011-03-09 03:50:37 <luke-jr> gasteve: erm, listing on tradebitcoin.com is kinda implicitly saying you'll sell in person for cash
728 2011-03-09 03:50:43 <luke-jr> gasteve: farzong is in Norcross
729 2011-03-09 03:51:23 <gasteve> oh, cool
730 2011-03-09 03:51:41 <farzong> yeah i clicked on paypal at mtgox site, and it says go to our paypal exchanger.. 7% tx fee
731 2011-03-09 03:52:08 <luke-jr> farzong: if you won't sell your own bitcoin, hook him up with gasteve :P
732 2011-03-09 03:52:17 <luke-jr> farzong: assuming your friend is local to you
733 2011-03-09 03:52:28 <luke-jr> otherwise, have your friend lookup his location on tradebitcoin.com
734 2011-03-09 03:52:48 <farzong> oh cool.. so how do you take cash gasteve, paypal?
735 2011-03-09 03:53:18 <gasteve> I don't understand the issue though...just sell your friend some bitcoins you have, and buy them back on #bitcoin-otc
736 2011-03-09 03:53:23 <luke-jr> farzong: in person
737 2011-03-09 03:53:28 <farzong> ahh i c
738 2011-03-09 03:53:45 <farzong> last time i did that i woke up missing a kidney
739 2011-03-09 03:53:47 <farzong> but its all good
740 2011-03-09 03:53:48 <gasteve> or, offer to place a bid on his behalf
741 2011-03-09 03:53:49 <luke-jr> lol
742 2011-03-09 03:54:40 <farzong> i wasnt aware of #bitcoin-otc thanks gasteve
743 2011-03-09 03:54:46 <luke-jr> ;;bc,stats
744 2011-03-09 03:55:01 <luke-jr> O.o
745 2011-03-09 03:55:04 <luke-jr> nanotube: bot broken?
746 2011-03-09 03:55:07 <gribble> Current Blocks: 112832 | Current Difficulty: 55590.23763914 | Next Difficulty At Block: 112895 | Next Difficulty In: 63 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 hours, 24 minutes, and 18 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 77024.78048780
747 2011-03-09 03:55:52 <da2ce7> ;;bc,mtgox
748 2011-03-09 03:55:53 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.884,"low":0.8512,"vol":4915,"buy":0.8505,"sell":0.87,"last":0.8546}}
749 2011-03-09 03:56:00 <farzong> im in mexico tho.. dont think i can meet anyone
750 2011-03-09 03:56:19 <luke-jr> farzong: your IP shows you in Georgia
751 2011-03-09 03:56:26 <farzong> yeah its some shells
752 2011-03-09 03:56:41 <gasteve> I've got a few friends nearby that "get it" regarding the bitcoin concept and are just getting started...I've offered to buy for them so they don't have to deal with the technical stuff and can avoid the fees
753 2011-03-09 03:56:53 <luke-jr> farzong: oh well, you can be the Mexico bitcoin dealer
754 2011-03-09 03:56:59 <farzong> nice
755 2011-03-09 03:57:26 <gasteve> farzong: #bitcoin-otc is mostly paypal or dwolla
756 2011-03-09 03:57:49 <luke-jr> (meaning 1 or 2 people asking for Dwolla and not getting it)
757 2011-03-09 03:58:10 <gasteve> I just bought some for dwolla an hour or so ago ;)
758 2011-03-09 03:58:56 <luke-jr> o rly
759 2011-03-09 03:59:04 <luke-jr> well I'm still going to bed
760 2011-03-09 03:59:06 <luke-jr> :p
761 2011-03-09 03:59:15 <gasteve> btw, I also offered to write a couple friends a 1-year put contract on their bitcoin purchase (up to a relatively small amount)
762 2011-03-09 03:59:51 <gasteve> they haven't taken me up on it so far
763 2011-03-09 04:00:59 <farzong> that could encourage a lot of businesses to get on board
764 2011-03-09 04:08:42 <validus> someoen should write a script for pages to auto obtain the rate of bitcoin and adjust the prices accordingly
765 2011-03-09 04:08:55 <validus> and i think that would improve some businesses getting on instead of another chore of a every day changing price
766 2011-03-09 04:09:48 <validus> a user could select the amount in $usd you want the product to be equivalent for then have it auto adjust bitcoin to display that amount
767 2011-03-09 04:10:36 <FellowTraveler1> Hi all.
768 2011-03-09 04:10:41 <doublec> there is no 'rate of bitcoin' to obtain though
769 2011-03-09 04:10:56 <validus> there is from various sites that display the low and high rates
770 2011-03-09 04:11:09 <validus> you could even go so far as have it to obtain 3 low rates then make an average on it
771 2011-03-09 04:11:11 <doublec> that means the site operator could manipulate the price returned to get a good deal on other sites
772 2011-03-09 04:11:37 <validus> or if being a company and it dropped say .20 + you could get something at a steal and the company lose money
773 2011-03-09 04:11:43 <validus> espically getting into high priced items
774 2011-03-09 04:12:09 <validus> its 130 last i checked for a wii on the jj video game store that takes bitcoins. if bitcoins dropped even lower then he didnt adjust his rates, then i get more of a steal on a product
775 2011-03-09 04:12:16 <validus> or risk negative feedback of renegging on orders etc
776 2011-03-09 04:12:23 <validus> its a potential lost of funds
777 2011-03-09 04:12:40 <validus> see my point on it? most ppl go by mtgox from what i see
778 2011-03-09 04:12:55 <doublec> there's risk either way
779 2011-03-09 04:12:56 <validus> it shoudlnt be hard to make something adjust your USD value per say to auto change the proper price to change
780 2011-03-09 04:13:15 <validus> same as advertising it in dollars. just with it being unstable sometimes and forever changing that could be good or bad
781 2011-03-09 04:13:33 <validus> id be pissed if lost 20 - 50+ dollars on cuz of a bitcoin price falling and somone jumped on it
782 2011-03-09 04:13:37 <validus> thats not good
783 2011-03-09 04:13:57 <doublec> that can happen anyway. Person buys item. 2 minutes later price falls.
784 2011-03-09 04:14:22 <doublec> before you got a chance to offload the btc
785 2011-03-09 04:14:22 <validus> ya but if it was regulating the cost to the lowest bid, then it would have some sort of substance
786 2011-03-09 04:14:34 <validus> and auto updates
787 2011-03-09 04:15:04 <validus> if the price for 130 bitcoins was made when bitcoins was near $1.00, then why not auto update to adjust the 130 btc price if it fell to .75 per bitcoin
788 2011-03-09 04:15:14 <validus> as you based your bitcoin price off of USD (or other currency) to begin with
789 2011-03-09 04:15:30 <validus> if you could specify the amount you want beit a discount or not. and it auto changed i think its a good idea
790 2011-03-09 04:15:47 <validus> say bitcoin dropped to a super low .50 and the guy still had the wii for 130 btc. is he going to reneg his business transaction?
791 2011-03-09 04:15:51 <validus> say im sorry but its really more?
792 2011-03-09 04:15:58 <validus> he woudl lose a ton of money in that
793 2011-03-09 04:16:38 <nanotube> validus: as a merchant, you could just build up a buffer
794 2011-03-09 04:16:45 <validus> since its valued against the USD atm, a script to auto adjust the bitcoin price on a selling website that updated automatically i think would be useful
795 2011-03-09 04:16:55 <validus> and cause of less risk of a market taking a dive and you out some bookoo $$'s
796 2011-03-09 04:17:12 <ball> How do I go about building the tarball  on a Linux host?
797 2011-03-09 04:17:17 <validus> man tar
798 2011-03-09 04:17:25 <doublec> Needs lots of merchants offering goods at BTC that don't fluctuate based on the USD. In wonder if that would stabalise the price.
799 2011-03-09 04:17:27 <validus> or tar --help
800 2011-03-09 04:17:42 <validus> well i was just using the wii as an example as it takes bitcoins
801 2011-03-09 04:17:48 <validus> but do you see my point?
802 2011-03-09 04:18:01 <ball> validus: I know how to untar, but not how to build it.
803 2011-03-09 04:18:07 <validus> ball: read the man
804 2011-03-09 04:18:12 <validus> its just flags
805 2011-03-09 04:18:26 <doublec> yeah I agree if you are selling usd goods and offering a btc value based on that you'd want to keep it current
806 2011-03-09 04:18:29 <validus> you should be able to tar something up with tar
807 2011-03-09 04:18:37 <doublec> but you still have risk while you hold the btc that the price drops
808 2011-03-09 04:18:46 <validus> but less as much
809 2011-03-09 04:19:01 <farzong> i will trade btc for bbl
810 2011-03-09 04:19:03 <validus> as so it would be your own fault if you did not sell the btc you acquired for the funds
811 2011-03-09 04:19:17 <validus> but it should not be a auto loss due to the market fluctuating and someone jumping on it like that
812 2011-03-09 04:19:21 <validus> i think thats just wrong but ppl will do it
813 2011-03-09 04:19:30 <farzong> (std barrel of  west texas intermediate crude)
814 2011-03-09 04:19:33 <farzong> that is
815 2011-03-09 04:19:40 <validus> nice farzong
816 2011-03-09 04:19:46 <validus> my great uncle makes biodiesel
817 2011-03-09 04:19:50 <farzong> cool
818 2011-03-09 04:19:52 <validus> also putting in a windmill
819 2011-03-09 04:20:01 <nanotube> ball: tar -x to extract, tar -c to create.
820 2011-03-09 04:20:13 <validus> lives in the middle of nowhere though, all the restaurants are family friends of him so he gets all the oil for free
821 2011-03-09 04:21:39 <validus> but say with that wii example say i had 5 and someone bought all 5 when the market changed and i didnt change the price in btc. that could break a small business
822 2011-03-09 04:21:49 <ball> nanotube: Never mind.
823 2011-03-09 04:21:53 <validus> ppl on inets dont have a code of ethics just take what you can get or exploit lol
824 2011-03-09 04:22:16 <validus> but i could see that as a point to some businesses of why they havent got on or stil thinking about it
825 2011-03-09 04:22:28 <validus> that is an important thing
826 2011-03-09 04:22:29 <farzong> validus: hmm.. usually the payment gateway will do the conversion at the time of sale. like the fine print on the website can say (actual value depends on btc-to-usd conversion rate at time of sale
827 2011-03-09 04:22:40 <ball> Is the bitcoin address generated automatically?
828 2011-03-09 04:22:54 <validus> but if its not and thats what they offered for, then they have to acknowledge the price and that coudl cost them alot of money
829 2011-03-09 04:23:24 <farzong> well the fine print/tos spells out conditions where the bold price differs from the sale price..
830 2011-03-09 04:23:42 <validus> its still a chore to constantly change prices every single day
831 2011-03-09 04:23:51 <farzong> can you really uote prices in something that is highly volatile like gold ounces or barrells of oil
832 2011-03-09 04:23:54 <validus> and causes other problems
833 2011-03-09 04:23:55 <ball> Okay, looks like the tarball contained binaries
834 2011-03-09 04:23:56 <gasteve> I thought about coming up with a new psuedo currency...it wouldn't be a real currency, but more like an index like CPI...I would take a basket of a variety of foods (a gallon of water, gallon of milk, chicken, beef, pork, various veggies, bread, etc) and price it out every week or so...I would give it some three letter currency designation...on initiation 1 of these would be roughly $1...people could price things in terms of it and with tooling,
835 2011-03-09 04:24:02 <farzong> yeah, have a javascript that does it
836 2011-03-09 04:24:03 <ball> ...so I'm in the GUI client now.
837 2011-03-09 04:24:07 <validus> like pointing out the TOS when ppl try to complain or go after you
838 2011-03-09 04:24:27 <validus> i think it could save some sort of trouble but its convenient
839 2011-03-09 04:24:36 <farzong> a javascript that fetches the conversion rate with json would be pretty easy to use on the page
840 2011-03-09 04:24:37 <validus> if you have a shop selling things and it auto adjusts to the price you specified
841 2011-03-09 04:24:44 <farzong> gasteve: cool idea
842 2011-03-09 04:24:58 <validus> not just random but the price you set for it and it adjusts bitcoin to display what that conversion would be
843 2011-03-09 04:25:00 <validus> and then you have a price
844 2011-03-09 04:25:22 <validus> totally hands free, doesnt require daily updates from a user, allows you to manage more of your business as you should
845 2011-03-09 04:25:43 <gasteve> I thought it might be neat because it would highlight how ridiculous these people that fear a deflationary currency are being
846 2011-03-09 04:25:51 <validus> even if it doesnt do that and it rises
847 2011-03-09 04:26:02 <validus> it would still benefit as adjusting it back to the price you set for it to compare itself to
848 2011-03-09 04:26:22 <validus> so even if they jumped to $2.00 a btc, the site would reflect that and the "wii" woudlnt be at 130 anymore
849 2011-03-09 04:26:48 <validus> not saying thats what that site should do , just an example
850 2011-03-09 04:26:53 <validus> what you do with the bitcoins when you get them is your own risk factor
851 2011-03-09 04:27:09 <farzong> validus: yeah a simple javascript would do that <div class="price">20.00</div>  $('.price').each etc
852 2011-03-09 04:27:11 <validus> but at the present time the prices would be correct and right and not worrying about all the other little minute things and problems
853 2011-03-09 04:27:37 <validus> like renegging on a order. saying you owe me more money. gaining negative publicity from it. losing a crapt ton of $$ in your own small business
854 2011-03-09 04:27:44 <farzong> a .js script can update all your prices (assume the html contains USD, it would fetch out the conversion rate and replace the text0
855 2011-03-09 04:27:47 <gasteve> and, by being based on basic foods, it would encompass a lot of different factors that go into food production...and, it represents the very basics of what is needed to sustain life...in a sense, everything would be priced relative to the very basic necessity of food
856 2011-03-09 04:28:11 <validus> in a sense you still have freedom as you can specify the price for it to co-relate to
857 2011-03-09 04:28:59 <validus> you cant tell me the guy just made upa random price of 130 and sell it for bitcoins
858 2011-03-09 04:29:01 <ball> How do I get coins?  Can I buy them somewhere?
859 2011-03-09 04:29:01 <validus> that would be insane
860 2011-03-09 04:29:02 <ball> ...do I have to sell something physical and have someone pay me in coins?
861 2011-03-09 04:29:02 <Mango-chan> lol.
862 2011-03-09 04:29:06 <farzong> you gotta suck some cocks...
863 2011-03-09 04:29:09 <nanotube> ball: you can get some from the faucet, or you can buy some on the markets.
864 2011-03-09 04:29:18 <farzong> j/k dude
865 2011-03-09 04:29:23 <nanotube> ball: faucet will give you .05 for free
866 2011-03-09 04:30:01 <doublec> ball: you can buy coins from coinpal using paypal
867 2011-03-09 04:30:13 <doublec> ball: http://coinpal.ndrix.com/
868 2011-03-09 04:30:16 <nanotube> ;;bc,wiki buying bitcoins
869 2011-03-09 04:30:18 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Buying_bitcoins | Feb 25, 2011 ... Buying bitcoins. From Bitcoin. Jump to: navigation, search. One issue currently facing a newcomer to bitcoin is, how do I get some? ...
870 2011-03-09 04:31:54 <farzong> rumplecoinskin
871 2011-03-09 04:32:02 <Tril> ;;bc,stats
872 2011-03-09 04:32:14 <gribble> Current Blocks: 112834 | Current Difficulty: 55590.23763914 | Next Difficulty At Block: 112895 | Next Difficulty In: 61 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 hours, 13 minutes, and 7 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 76918.56224367
873 2011-03-09 04:36:59 <ball> I don't have a paypal account, but I've requested a drip from the faucet.
874 2011-03-09 04:43:27 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
875 2011-03-09 04:43:29 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.8839,"low":0.8512,"vol":4865,"buy":0.8505,"sell":0.87,"last":0.87}}
876 2011-03-09 04:45:11 <ball> Does it take a while for the faucet to issue coins?
877 2011-03-09 04:45:44 <Tril> sometimes
878 2011-03-09 04:46:28 <validus> i waited a few hours
879 2011-03-09 04:46:43 <ball> Okay.  I'll wait a while.
880 2011-03-09 04:46:59 <ball> What do the "blocks" represent?
881 2011-03-09 04:48:16 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Blocks | Mar 2, 2011 ... Data is permanently recorded in the Bitcoin network through blocks. Each block contains all recent transactions, a nonce (random number), ...
882 2011-03-09 04:48:16 <nanotube> ;;bc,wiki blocks
883 2011-03-09 04:48:30 <nanotube> see also ,,(bc,wiki how bitcoin works)
884 2011-03-09 04:48:31 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/How_bitcoin_works | http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2487.0 A forum thread with some good 'for-the-layperson' explanations of how bitcoin works. ...
885 2011-03-09 04:53:28 <farzong> cool
886 2011-03-09 04:57:16 <ball> thanks
887 2011-03-09 04:57:43 <nanotube> np, enjoy the wiki. :)
888 2011-03-09 05:11:20 <mizerydearia> When was the switch from Bitcoin to BitCoin?
889 2011-03-09 05:11:28 <mizerydearia> And why?
890 2011-03-09 05:11:42 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,stats
891 2011-03-09 05:11:46 <phantomcircuit> ?
892 2011-03-09 05:11:48 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,stat
893 2011-03-09 05:11:57 <mizerydearia> ^_^
894 2011-03-09 05:12:02 <mizerydearia> you killed it
895 2011-03-09 05:12:04 <mizerydearia> murderer!!!
896 2011-03-09 05:12:55 <mizerydearia> omfgz, you killed nanotube too!
897 2011-03-09 05:13:14 <mizerydearia> he's got a gun!
898 2011-03-09 05:13:14 <OneFixt> "<mizerydearia> gribble :Nobody chats here!!!!!! "
899 2011-03-09 05:13:38 <mizerydearia> huh?  are you saying I killed it?
900 2011-03-09 05:13:42 <mizerydearia> I did not!
901 2011-03-09 05:14:53 <mizerydearia> OneFixt: I am practicing my automated spamming capabilities, even spamming bots
902 2011-03-09 05:15:33 <OneFixt> yep i know, it just looked funny, would've been great if gribble told you the same thing
903 2011-03-09 05:17:32 <mizerydearia> ^_^
904 2011-03-09 05:18:25 <mizerydearia> actually, it would'be been funny if both nanotube and I were afk and gribble and I were automatedly replying back and forth to each other infinitely
905 2011-03-09 05:18:42 <mizerydearia> considering there is no channel registration or operator
906 2011-03-09 05:20:26 <Spenvo> mizery, where did you see that there was a switch to BitCoin?
907 2011-03-09 05:21:59 <phantomcircuit> wait i just realized something
908 2011-03-09 05:22:09 <phantomcircuit> bitcoind starts to download the block chain as soon as you start it
909 2011-03-09 05:22:20 <phantomcircuit> but how does it know what the latest block is?
910 2011-03-09 05:22:49 <mizerydearia> Spenvo, I see BitCoin quite frequently
911 2011-03-09 05:23:21 <phantomcircuit> oh 000
912 2011-03-09 05:23:32 <phantomcircuit> lol wasting my time with gettil
913 2011-03-09 05:24:16 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: bitcoin knows "is initial block download?", which is when height < locked-in-height
914 2011-03-09 05:24:32 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, huh?
915 2011-03-09 05:24:33 <mizerydearia> From my logs: 9,930 instances of Bitcoin and 1,087 instances of BitCoin
916 2011-03-09 05:26:26 <phantomcircuit> neat
917 2011-03-09 05:26:39 <jgarzik> after that, it just calculates the height based on best chain with largest collective strength
918 2011-03-09 05:26:54 <mizerydearia> even /.  article has it wrong http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/02/10/189246/Online-Only-Currency-BitCoin-Reaches-Dollar-Parity?from=rss
919 2011-03-09 05:27:02 <phantomcircuit> my python client now downloads a complete block chain and calculates the height of each block in O(1)
920 2011-03-09 05:27:18 <phantomcircuit> well i guess each block is O(n), individual blocks O(1)
921 2011-03-09 05:27:45 <OneFixt> how do you check the backlog of unconfirmed transactions?
922 2011-03-09 05:28:00 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, actually it sends getblock(genesis_block,null_block), then builds the chain forwards from that
923 2011-03-09 05:28:33 <jgarzik> yep
924 2011-03-09 05:28:33 <phantomcircuit> and afaict the mainline client wont tell you if the chain has split in the past
925 2011-03-09 05:28:53 <jgarzik> you might or might not have those orphan blocks.
926 2011-03-09 05:29:44 <Spenvo> sorry if you guys think this is spamming, but here's what I'm up to:  if you post to craigslist in "for sale" or "gigs" and include the word "Bitcoin" / "Bitcoins" - I do a daily crawl and put the postings up on my site - currently crawling 60 municipalities
927 2011-03-09 05:34:42 <Spenvo> damn, that killed the conversation
928 2011-03-09 05:34:49 <Spenvo> sorry
929 2011-03-09 05:34:56 <OneFixt> Spenvo: it's a good idea, what's the site?
930 2011-03-09 05:35:18 <Tril> if I delete blkindex.dat will it be recreated
931 2011-03-09 05:35:45 <Spenvo> it's the bitcoin bulletin, currently being redesigned and php backend will be truly underway prob in next week
932 2011-03-09 05:35:52 <Tril> and what's the fast way to sync a block chain between two computers
933 2011-03-09 05:36:10 <Spenvo> sites been up only a few days
934 2011-03-09 05:36:56 <jgarzik> Tril: if you delete blk*.dat, it will be recreated
935 2011-03-09 05:37:05 <jgarzik> Tril: you can copy blk*.dat between two computers
936 2011-03-09 05:37:08 <OneFixt> Spenvo: very nice
937 2011-03-09 05:37:10 <Tril> how about just the index
938 2011-03-09 05:37:24 <Tril> will it rebuild without downloading if I copy the blk0001.dat
939 2011-03-09 05:37:40 <jgarzik> Tril: no, it will start from scratch and assume you have a corrupted database
940 2011-03-09 05:37:54 <Spenvo> OneFixt: ty, i'll seriously need feedback when redesign is up! :)
941 2011-03-09 05:37:57 <jgarzik> Tril: you can download http://yyz.us/bitcoin/block-db-94000.tar.bz2 which has blk*.dat up to block ~94000
942 2011-03-09 05:38:18 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, ps that's only true if you use the binaries
943 2011-03-09 05:38:20 <Tril> ok.  why is it my block chain usually updates very fast and now it's taking a long time today?
944 2011-03-09 05:38:34 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: which part?
945 2011-03-09 05:38:43 <phantomcircuit> db-4.8 isn't binary compatible with db-4.7
946 2011-03-09 05:38:52 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: it's upwards compatible
947 2011-03-09 05:39:05 <phantomcircuit> hmm it might be
948 2011-03-09 05:39:37 <jgarzik> Tril: what is your current block count?  is it approximately the same as http://bitcoinwatch.com/ ?
949 2011-03-09 05:39:57 <phantomcircuit> man sqlite is super ridiculous inefficient
950 2011-03-09 05:41:04 <phantomcircuit> 10 second commits
951 2011-03-09 05:41:07 <phantomcircuit> what the hell
952 2011-03-09 05:41:15 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: it's not bad, as long as you're not doing something dumb like importing 10,000 records, and creating a transaction per record
953 2011-03-09 05:41:31 <jgarzik> and pay attention to the filesystem you're using...
954 2011-03-09 05:41:37 <phantomcircuit> ext4
955 2011-03-09 05:41:53 <phantomcircuit> iirc there is actually a corruption bug
956 2011-03-09 05:43:28 <phantomcircuit> but no im not doing anything stupid like that
957 2011-03-09 05:44:34 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, ~1k inserts, 3 index entries per insert, 1 transaction, 3 seconds
958 2011-03-09 05:44:42 <phantomcircuit> that seems like a damned long tiem to me
959 2011-03-09 05:44:52 <Tril> jgarzik: i'm on 112631 currently. connecting to one peer. usually it just counts up really fast. seems to stick for a few minutes between each block. it will get a few blocks then freeze for a bit.
960 2011-03-09 05:45:30 <jgarzik> Tril: the one-peer thing sounds like your problem.  you are definitely behind by a couple hundred blocks.