1 2011-03-10 00:01:49 <farzong> imd drunk
  2 2011-03-10 00:06:00 <phantomcircuit> farzong, if i was in florida id be drunk too
  3 2011-03-10 00:06:20 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, can i buy vpn service from you?
  4 2011-03-10 00:06:33 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: I offer VPS, not VPN.
  5 2011-03-10 00:06:43 <phantomcircuit> ok
  6 2011-03-10 00:06:48 <phantomcircuit> can i buy a vps and run a vpn
  7 2011-03-10 00:07:27 <luke-jr> tbh, I'd rather not, but if you want to pay and abide by ToS I guess :p
  8 2011-03-10 00:07:57 <phantomcircuit> if you'd rather not
  9 2011-03-10 00:10:40 <farzong> phantomcircuit is cool
 10 2011-03-10 00:10:43 <farzong> im in mexijo
 11 2011-03-10 00:11:08 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: nah, go ahead& I forgot the plans have well-defined bandwidth limits :P
 12 2011-03-10 00:12:13 <phantomcircuit> i onlyhave pitiful dsl anyways
 13 2011-03-10 00:12:22 <phantomcircuit> i doubt i could do much damage even running 24/7
 14 2011-03-10 00:19:12 <knotwork> florida has antifreeze? wow blows my illusions of the sunshine state
 15 2011-03-10 00:20:52 <phantomcircuit> he said he's in mexico
 16 2011-03-10 00:30:57 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, yeha i dont even break 2GB most months
 17 2011-03-10 00:31:09 <phantomcircuit> oh wait
 18 2011-03-10 00:31:12 <phantomcircuit> that's daily
 19 2011-03-10 00:32:05 <phantomcircuit> about 200 GB last month
 20 2011-03-10 00:32:11 <phantomcircuit> over a 3mbps dsl line
 21 2011-03-10 00:32:13 <phantomcircuit> lol
 22 2011-03-10 00:47:48 <agorist> anyone think p2p dns is every going to work?
 23 2011-03-10 00:48:16 <farzong> cool idea
 24 2011-03-10 00:48:43 <agorist> but is it feasible
 25 2011-03-10 00:49:48 <farzong> i think so..  i tend to think these problems are constrained by logarithmic structures.. so i think it can be made efficient / robust
 26 2011-03-10 00:49:49 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: probably looking at 51 BTC/mo minimum then
 27 2011-03-10 00:49:58 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: assuming you do all that over VPN
 28 2011-03-10 00:50:27 <farzong> bitcoin could actually be used to do dns
 29 2011-03-10 00:50:51 <agorist> farzong, hmm perhaps
 30 2011-03-10 00:51:01 <sipa> i don't see why you need something like bitcoin for dns
 31 2011-03-10 00:51:03 <phantomcircuit> bitcoin could be used for something like dns
 32 2011-03-10 00:51:31 <phantomcircuit> but what happens when someone grabs a trademarked domain name?
 33 2011-03-10 00:51:41 <agorist> nothing happens :D
 34 2011-03-10 00:51:47 <agorist> ebay.p2p baby! mine!
 35 2011-03-10 00:52:01 <phantomcircuit> yeah more like they sue everybody until they find out who has it
 36 2011-03-10 00:52:13 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: you mean sue John Doe
 37 2011-03-10 00:52:20 <luke-jr> and subpoena everybody
 38 2011-03-10 00:52:24 <agorist> bahaha
 39 2011-03-10 00:52:31 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, yup
 40 2011-03-10 00:52:36 <luke-jr> or actually, just subpoena whoever controls the target IP
 41 2011-03-10 00:52:43 <noagendamarket> you could buy domains with bitcoin :)
 42 2011-03-10 00:53:02 <agorist> for sure with bitcoins, with what else :p
 43 2011-03-10 00:53:08 <noagendamarket> why does bitcoin actually have to be the dns client ?
 44 2011-03-10 00:53:22 <agorist> it doesnt
 45 2011-03-10 00:53:28 <farzong> sipa: i dont think you would need it necessarily, but if you already have a bitcoin ecosystem, you can probably embed domain name ownership into the script section or metadata of transactions
 46 2011-03-10 01:02:42 <JunK-Y> somebody tried the latest ATI 6990?
 47 2011-03-10 01:03:39 <Diablo-D3> it should around 5-10% slower than a 5970 due to penalty
 48 2011-03-10 01:03:45 <Diablo-D3> otherwise its a very awesome card
 49 2011-03-10 01:04:47 <farzong> bitcoin could be the transit system for any p2p infobase
 50 2011-03-10 01:05:04 <farzong> since youd expect payments to be just important as dns in terms of worldwide accessibility/data integrity
 51 2011-03-10 01:05:14 <JunK-Y> penalty?
 52 2011-03-10 01:05:28 <da2ce7> lower clock speed
 53 2011-03-10 01:06:07 <genjix> farzong: like an encyclopedia?
 54 2011-03-10 01:06:22 <luke-jr> fewer SPs?
 55 2011-03-10 01:06:59 <farzong> genjix: yeah perhaps.. any key-value type store
 56 2011-03-10 01:07:20 <farzong> distributed wikipedia is another interesting idea
 57 2011-03-10 01:07:20 <JunK-Y> anyway, i dont plan to buy it on the next 3 months.
 58 2011-03-10 01:07:36 <luke-jr> hmm, difficulty 25997 stuck around LONGER than 2 weeks, yet the diff still went up to 36459; why?
 59 2011-03-10 01:08:07 <JunK-Y> ;;bc,stats
 60 2011-03-10 01:08:08 <gribble> Current Blocks: 112960 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 1951 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 0 days, 4 hours, 52 minutes, and 59 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 77845.67824258
 61 2011-03-10 01:10:53 <phantomcircuit> farzong, something like that would only work if > 50% of the network accepted transactions that contained dns information
 62 2011-03-10 01:11:07 <farzong> hmm i c
 63 2011-03-10 01:11:23 <phantomcircuit> as it stands you could put dns into the generated block for the extra nonce and all the peers afaict would accept it
 64 2011-03-10 01:11:27 <phantomcircuit> i guess that would work
 65 2011-03-10 01:11:56 <farzong> yeah interestingly ppl have tried to put riders into the dns system for lots of things.. pgp keys, ssl certs, identities etc
 66 2011-03-10 01:12:15 <farzong> but in this case dns is a rider on a distributed system
 67 2011-03-10 01:14:43 <phantomcircuit> and actually putting dns information into the extra nonce section of the generation block only adds minimal straign to the network
 68 2011-03-10 01:15:03 <phantomcircuit> however selling the domain to someone else would require a completely different kind of transaction
 69 2011-03-10 01:15:21 <phantomcircuit> well i guess not, you could just sell them the private key you used
 70 2011-03-10 01:17:15 <farzong> you still need someone to efficiently serve queries, hey perhaps for an infinitessimal btc fee.. but at least the data is there for anyone to verify / authenticate
 71 2011-03-10 01:17:42 <phantomcircuit> what?
 72 2011-03-10 01:18:17 <phantomcircuit> you put a signed host to ip mapping in a conventional dns TXT entry
 73 2011-03-10 01:18:22 <farzong> someone to tell me, who is the name server for hypercow.com
 74 2011-03-10 01:18:42 <phantomcircuit> magic p2p dns with the benefits of the centralized dns system
 75 2011-03-10 01:19:00 <phantomcircuit> everybody would know if results were being forged
 76 2011-03-10 01:24:10 <AmpEater> Is there any way to search blocks for certain address?
 77 2011-03-10 01:28:00 <farzong> blockexplorer.com?
 78 2011-03-10 01:29:04 <AmpEater> Oh shit I was just looking at the blocks, never checked the homepage....duh
 79 2011-03-10 01:29:07 <AmpEater> Thanks
 80 2011-03-10 01:30:11 <Kiba> yo
 81 2011-03-10 01:30:24 <Kiba> who wants to advertise in my signature space?
 82 2011-03-10 01:31:39 <AmpEater> I do
 83 2011-03-10 01:31:53 <AmpEater> Ampeater is awesome!
 84 2011-03-10 01:32:09 <AmpEater> Will pay 1btc per month
 85 2011-03-10 01:33:23 <[Tycho]> Were you talking about ad in blocks ? :)
 86 2011-03-10 01:34:28 <phantomcircuit> lol that's a neat idea [Tycho]
 87 2011-03-10 01:34:38 <phantomcircuit> sell the space in the generation block for ads
 88 2011-03-10 01:34:46 <phantomcircuit> ADS THAT LAST FOREVERRRRR
 89 2011-03-10 01:34:55 <Kiba> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4342.0
 90 2011-03-10 01:34:59 <[Tycho]> Not the space, but some fields
 91 2011-03-10 01:35:28 <phantomcircuit> [Tycho], the extra nonce field (which is actually the script field)
 92 2011-03-10 01:35:36 <[Tycho]> Yes.
 93 2011-03-10 01:35:52 <noagendamarket> it would be cool if you went to block explorer and there were messages associated with an address there
 94 2011-03-10 01:39:19 <AmpEater> Anybody think there would be a market for solar power generated blocks?
 95 2011-03-10 01:39:40 <AmpEater> Like a small premium for carbon credits built in
 96 2011-03-10 01:40:14 <phantomcircuit> AmpEater, unlikely
 97 2011-03-10 01:40:37 <phantomcircuit> although running your mining equipment off of solar power would bring the marginal cost of generation to zero
 98 2011-03-10 01:40:42 <phantomcircuit> (or close to it)
 99 2011-03-10 01:40:55 <AmpEater> Solar power isn't free
100 2011-03-10 01:41:06 <[Tycho]> Solar power is expensive
101 2011-03-10 01:41:07 <AmpEater> Just cheaper per watt in long run
102 2011-03-10 01:41:07 <farzong> AmpEater: green coins? cool
103 2011-03-10 01:41:45 <farzong> can you get a dedicated solar powered chip that doesnt need a whole pc rig
104 2011-03-10 01:41:59 <emeril> if you're willing to spend the money
105 2011-03-10 01:42:05 <AmpEater> Hah, crazy
106 2011-03-10 01:42:06 <[Tycho]> AmpEater, in VERY long run and only if you have long lasting solar panels (they usually decay with time)
107 2011-03-10 01:42:30 <[Tycho]> But in orbit that will be nice.
108 2011-03-10 01:42:32 <AmpEater> Yeah, it's a 30 year outlook type deal
109 2011-03-10 01:42:42 <farzong> fresnel lens + stirling engine = awesome power
110 2011-03-10 01:42:54 <farzong> thermal solar is probably more efficient considering all the sunk energy costs
111 2011-03-10 01:42:54 <[Tycho]> + sun
112 2011-03-10 01:43:00 <AmpEater> Most have warranties that they will produce 85% in 30 years or whatnot
113 2011-03-10 01:43:20 <AmpEater> Optics do make it better
114 2011-03-10 01:43:26 <AmpEater> P,us you lots of low grade heat
115 2011-03-10 01:43:29 <[Tycho]> Yeah, mfg hopes to be long out of business in 30 years :)
116 2011-03-10 01:43:39 <AmpEater> Hah
117 2011-03-10 01:43:44 <AmpEater> Good point I guess
118 2011-03-10 01:43:56 <AmpEater> But panels have long track record of lifespan
119 2011-03-10 01:44:05 <[Tycho]> Sometimes.
120 2011-03-10 01:44:08 <phantomcircuit> amiller, solar power isn't free, bur if you're using it at the time of generation it's much cheaper than the burning fossil fuels, the real cost is in storage
121 2011-03-10 01:44:13 <phantomcircuit> AmpEater, ^
122 2011-03-10 01:44:15 <AmpEater> Lots of 30 year old panels available
123 2011-03-10 01:44:22 <[Tycho]> They actually DO decay, but with different speeds.
124 2011-03-10 01:44:23 <phantomcircuit> amiller, my bad that wasnt for you
125 2011-03-10 01:44:51 <[Tycho]> Amorphous and monocrystalline panels have different cost too.
126 2011-03-10 01:45:29 <amiller> phantomcircuit, too bad you already caught my attention
127 2011-03-10 01:45:34 <amiller> now i'm going to look for errors in things you've said
128 2011-03-10 01:45:52 <farzong> no photovoltaics needed
129 2011-03-10 01:46:10 <AmpEater> I'm liking these sub 1$ watt panels
130 2011-03-10 01:46:31 <amiller> i think that the economics of finding bitcoins is bad, but i can't really put my finger on it
131 2011-03-10 01:46:33 <AmpEater> Versus 3,4,5$ watt
132 2011-03-10 01:46:44 <amiller> in the steady state, after the 21 million mark, it will entirely be based on tx fees
133 2011-03-10 01:46:51 <amiller> what if it were based on tx fees right now
134 2011-03-10 01:47:07 <[Tycho]> ;;bc,stats
135 2011-03-10 01:47:09 <gribble> Current Blocks: 112966 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 1945 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 15 hours, 56 minutes, and 55 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 81058.82344059
136 2011-03-10 01:47:22 <[Tycho]> Oh, it's rising again.
137 2011-03-10 01:47:32 <AmpEater> Sigh
138 2011-03-10 01:47:42 <AmpEater> So what's up with MM?
139 2011-03-10 01:48:19 <farzong> amiller: but then miners wouldnt have a chance to build up huge reserves and maintain currency control
140 2011-03-10 01:48:36 <farzong> and without central control we are doomed!
141 2011-03-10 01:49:05 <AmpEater> Miners won't be able to resist temptation to sell as prices rise
142 2011-03-10 01:50:13 <agorist> in order to sell you need to find buyers
143 2011-03-10 01:50:18 <agorist> there are less buyers when prices rise
144 2011-03-10 01:50:48 <amiller> there is something very important about having miners
145 2011-03-10 01:50:52 <amiller> the stronger the (honest) network is
146 2011-03-10 01:50:56 <amiller> the more expensive it is to attack it
147 2011-03-10 01:51:06 <amiller> so the stronger we make it by participating, the better for everyone
148 2011-03-10 01:52:28 <phantomcircuit> amiller, there isn't enough transaction volume right now to sustain mining from fees alone
149 2011-03-10 01:52:51 <phantomcircuit> indeed the entire economy will collapse unless there is a significant increase in the fees attached to transactions
150 2011-03-10 01:53:01 <amiller> so what effect does mining now have on the transaction fees
151 2011-03-10 01:53:25 <amiller> er on the transaction volume
152 2011-03-10 01:53:32 <agorist> why would the economy collapse
153 2011-03-10 01:53:50 <amiller> for example, a large number of the people participating in bitcoin now are busy mining
154 2011-03-10 01:54:04 <phantomcircuit> agorist, the fees have to be more than the cost of the electricity to produce a block
155 2011-03-10 01:54:43 <agorist> I dont understand why blocks need to be continually produced in order to make transactions
156 2011-03-10 01:54:54 <phantomcircuit> agorist, with a 2 week timeline a spike in the rate of generation could push that over the point at which it's worth it for anybody to generate new blocks, which would mean
157 2011-03-10 01:55:02 <phantomcircuit> agorist, oh then you have no idea how this works at all :P
158 2011-03-10 01:55:16 <amiller> well, let me try to work through an explanation
159 2011-03-10 01:55:35 <amiller> we need a difficult proof of work, because that makes it harder/expensive to disrupt
160 2011-03-10 01:55:52 <amiller> miners are incentivised to do what they do, because the more people mining the harder it is to attack the network
161 2011-03-10 01:56:09 <amiller> but the more miners there are the more the difficulty and hence the cost of electricity goes up
162 2011-03-10 01:56:34 <agorist> more like it costs more in electricity to produce the same amount of BTC
163 2011-03-10 01:57:19 <amiller> i guess what that would mean is that the network would be strong enough, and there's no incentive to add more compute power to it
164 2011-03-10 01:57:28 <amiller> until the transaction volume increases, which would give more incentive
165 2011-03-10 01:58:45 <phantomcircuit> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4335.0
166 2011-03-10 02:00:36 <MagicalTux> phantomcircuit, there are more ips than that
167 2011-03-10 02:00:42 <MagicalTux> (er, nodes)
168 2011-03-10 02:01:44 <MagicalTux> https://stats.bitcoin.it/rrd/nodes_total-day.png <- 6.5k~7.5k nodes
169 2011-03-10 02:01:55 <phantomcircuit> MagicalTux, whatever
170 2011-03-10 02:02:06 <phantomcircuit> that's how many there were last i checked
171 2011-03-10 02:02:07 <MagicalTux> https://stats.bitcoin.it/rrd/nodes_up-day.png <- 1.4k~1.8k connectable nodes
172 2011-03-10 02:03:08 <phantomcircuit> MagicalTux, wow wtf look at the drops
173 2011-03-10 02:03:18 <phantomcircuit> 500 nodes randomly disappear
174 2011-03-10 02:03:30 <MagicalTux> phantomcircuit, the graph is based on data obtained via a p2p network, and are not 100% reliable
175 2011-03-10 02:03:47 <phantomcircuit> does it actually try to connect to peers?
176 2011-03-10 02:03:51 <MagicalTux> yep
177 2011-03-10 02:04:01 <phantomcircuit> becuase the drops in the connectable graph shouldnt be that extreme
178 2011-03-10 02:04:07 <MagicalTux> the "nodes_up" graph only contains peers which accepted a connection and talked bitcoin
179 2011-03-10 02:04:15 <phantomcircuit> oh
180 2011-03-10 02:04:17 <phantomcircuit> ok then
181 2011-03-10 02:04:20 <MagicalTux> nah
182 2011-03-10 02:04:29 <phantomcircuit> 2.0k to 1.4k in 2 days?
183 2011-03-10 02:04:30 <MagicalTux> the drops are linked to timeouts when there's a lot of bad ips coming at once
184 2011-03-10 02:04:30 <phantomcircuit> weird
185 2011-03-10 02:04:46 <MagicalTux> https://stats.bitcoin.it/rrd/nodes_up-month.png <- that's the origin of the drop there for example
186 2011-03-10 02:05:41 <MagicalTux> (at that point, a nodes advertised me ~22k false ips, it took a while to purge them out as non working, and in the meantime entries for valid nodes were timing out)
187 2011-03-10 02:05:50 <dissipate> MagicalTux, have you taken over mtgox yet?
188 2011-03-10 02:05:55 <MagicalTux> dissipate, yep
189 2011-03-10 02:06:07 <dissipate> i haven't noticed any changes on the front page
190 2011-03-10 02:06:41 <[Tycho]> Number of nodes is fading away ?
191 2011-03-10 02:07:02 <MagicalTux> dissipate, working on that right now, a lot of work
192 2011-03-10 02:07:30 <MagicalTux> [Tycho], it varies every day, but based on https://stats.bitcoin.it/rrd/nodes_up-month.png it's been growing
193 2011-03-10 02:07:31 <dissipate> MagicalTux, is there any reason why you couldn't accept MoneyPak cards or other cash cards?
194 2011-03-10 02:08:01 <MagicalTux> dissipate, it depends on the conditions of each of those systems, including chargeback policies
195 2011-03-10 02:08:17 <dissipate> MagicalTux, moneypak has no chargebacks
196 2011-03-10 02:08:29 <farzong> beam me up scotty
197 2011-03-10 02:08:31 <dissipate> MagicalTux, it goes directly into a paypal account
198 2011-03-10 02:08:59 <MagicalTux> dissipate, that potentially means paypal fees
199 2011-03-10 02:09:26 <dissipate> MagicalTux, https://www.moneypak.com/PayPal/Index.aspx
200 2011-03-10 02:09:46 <dissipate> MagicalTux, liberty reserve doesn't have fees?
201 2011-03-10 02:10:34 <MagicalTux> dissipate, it has now enough fees
202 2011-03-10 02:10:58 <MagicalTux> by asking 1% on withdraw, it's enough
203 2011-03-10 02:11:01 <dissipate> enough fees? sorry i don't understand
204 2011-03-10 02:11:20 <dissipate> MagicalTux, just charge a % fee for moneypak
205 2011-03-10 02:12:36 <MagicalTux> dissipate, anyway we cannot just "accept moneypak", we need to register as a merchant with them first
206 2011-03-10 02:12:52 <dissipate> oh that sucks
207 2011-03-10 02:13:11 <phantomcircuit> you can setup a fake paypal
208 2011-03-10 02:13:16 <phantomcircuit> add fund to it with moneypak
209 2011-03-10 02:13:30 <phantomcircuit> and then send funds from the paypal to mtgox
210 2011-03-10 02:13:45 <dissipate> that sounds good to me
211 2011-03-10 02:14:10 <phantomcircuit> also
212 2011-03-10 02:14:52 <phantomcircuit> lol if you turn off js on the moneypak site it's still got lorem ipsum all over it
213 2011-03-10 02:15:29 <jrabbit> phantomcircuit: hahaha
214 2011-03-10 02:16:28 <phantomcircuit> jrabbit, i got my client to build a complete block chain
215 2011-03-10 02:16:32 <phantomcircuit> now i just have to verify txs
216 2011-03-10 02:16:41 <jrabbit> phantomcircuit: cool
217 2011-03-10 02:16:42 <phantomcircuit> and ill have a more or less complete implementation
218 2011-03-10 02:17:01 <jrabbit> phantomcircuit: is yours smaller or bigger than the other guys' python client?
219 2011-03-10 02:17:35 <farzong> gox mountain
220 2011-03-10 02:18:31 <phantomcircuit> jrabbit, mine works
221 2011-03-10 02:18:32 <phantomcircuit> ;)
222 2011-03-10 02:18:42 <phantomcircuit> a big difference
223 2011-03-10 02:18:46 <jrabbit> oh theirs doesn't?
224 2011-03-10 02:18:51 <phantomcircuit> not afaict
225 2011-03-10 02:19:03 <phantomcircuit> if it does it's only by chance
226 2011-03-10 02:19:05 <phantomcircuit> it's a mess
227 2011-03-10 02:20:04 <jrabbit> rofl google's translate is much cleaner then common latin
228 2011-03-10 02:25:22 <farzong> http://www.dyndy.net/
229 2011-03-10 02:26:58 <genjix> farzong: cool, i know the guy who made that... im staying with him in 2 weeks
230 2011-03-10 02:27:15 <farzong> cools
231 2011-03-10 02:27:47 <genjix> how come you was linking his site? i just joined :p
232 2011-03-10 02:28:22 <farzong> its cool.. he talks about cultural credit
233 2011-03-10 02:28:40 <farzong> im really surprised at the lack of scholarly articles on bitcoin, aside from satoshis paper
234 2011-03-10 02:34:26 <AmpEater> What's up with all the 0.05 transactions over and over
235 2011-03-10 02:34:39 <genjix> someone testing probably
236 2011-03-10 02:34:56 <Avemo> the faucet
237 2011-03-10 02:38:38 <AmpEater> Yeah, it pays out that often?
238 2011-03-10 02:38:40 <AmpEater> Crazy
239 2011-03-10 02:39:19 <AmpEater> That must really skew the avg transaction numbers
240 2011-03-10 02:41:06 <Guest51874> bitcoin wiki articles, especially on economics, is really bad indded
241 2011-03-10 02:41:10 <farzong> ;;bc,stats
242 2011-03-10 02:41:12 <gribble> Current Blocks: 112969 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 1942 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 6 hours, 16 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 79636.97613617
243 2011-03-10 02:44:51 <genjix> what are the legal characters for a bitcoin address?
244 2011-03-10 02:44:55 <genjix> alphanumeric?
245 2011-03-10 02:45:59 <dirtyfilthy> http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworder.php?id=655 & http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworder.php?id=768
246 2011-03-10 02:46:03 <nanotube> genjix: base58
247 2011-03-10 02:46:08 <dirtyfilthy> pretty tempted by both these offers
248 2011-03-10 02:46:35 <nanotube> dirtyfilthy: haha
249 2011-03-10 02:46:46 <nanotube> Guest51874: true dat. feel free to make them better if you think you can. :)
250 2011-03-10 02:47:21 <genjix> nanotube: base58?
251 2011-03-10 02:47:22 <dirtyfilthy> genjix: there's no 0 or uppercase I
252 2011-03-10 02:47:43 <genjix> ok but if i regex a bitcoin addy to only be alphanumeric then that's fine, right?
253 2011-03-10 02:47:48 <genjix> no problems later on?
254 2011-03-10 02:49:02 <nanotube> genjix: no, some alphanum chars are not allowed.
255 2011-03-10 02:49:19 <genjix> ok that's fine going that way :p
256 2011-03-10 02:49:34 <nanotube> best way is to check the code for list of allowed chars. i don't recall exactly what it was.
257 2011-03-10 02:49:59 <dirtyfilthy> 123456789ABCDEFGHJKLMNPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijkmnopqrstuvwxyz
258 2011-03-10 02:50:13 <dirtyfilthy> no uppercase 'O' either
259 2011-03-10 02:50:32 <nanotube> genjix: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/base58.h right at the top there
260 2011-03-10 02:50:42 <nanotube> ah, beaten by dirtyfilthy :)
261 2011-03-10 02:54:27 <genjix> aha neat
262 2011-03-10 02:54:49 <genjix> s/[^1-9A-Za-z]//
263 2011-03-10 02:54:50 <genjix> :)
264 2011-03-10 02:55:04 <genjix> damn, no I
265 2011-03-10 02:55:18 <genjix> s/[^1-9A-HJ-Za-z]//
266 2011-03-10 03:13:42 <genjix> hey MagicalTux, i've made a bitcoin fork which supports an addressing scheme like genjix@foo.org ... can i have a VPS to setup a server so that when i post on forums about my branch, people can sign up and try it out?
267 2011-03-10 03:14:44 <noagendamarket> nice genjix
268 2011-03-10 03:14:54 <Cusipzzz> genjix: sure, register, pay, and you will have it :)
269 2011-03-10 03:14:59 <noagendamarket> lol
270 2011-03-10 03:15:26 <luke-jr> genjix: get a VPS from me :p
271 2011-03-10 03:15:29 <genjix> im cheap :p
272 2011-03-10 03:15:38 <Cusipzzz> lol
273 2011-03-10 03:15:44 <genjix> anyone want to donate a domain + vps?
274 2011-03-10 03:15:49 <genjix> with ubuntu
275 2011-03-10 03:16:17 <luke-jr> genjix: the big question is: does it support a FROM address?
276 2011-03-10 03:16:26 <dirtyfilthy> why the fuck is my client not updating blocks
277 2011-03-10 03:16:53 <genjix> luke-jr: no, it's just a resolution scheme
278 2011-03-10 03:17:18 <dirtyfilthy> stalled at block 112971
279 2011-03-10 03:17:21 <luke-jr> genjix: so not very useful :P
280 2011-03-10 03:17:23 <dirtyfilthy> with 8 connections
281 2011-03-10 03:17:27 <doublec> dirtyfilthy: possibly? "The maxsendbuffer bug (0.3.20.1 clients not being able to download the block chain from other 0.3.20.1 clients) "
282 2011-03-10 03:17:27 <luke-jr> genjix: I would just use DNS for that
283 2011-03-10 03:17:32 <gribble> 112972
284 2011-03-10 03:17:32 <luke-jr> ;;bc,blocks
285 2011-03-10 03:17:43 <dirtyfilthy> doublec: ohhhh true, workaround?
286 2011-03-10 03:17:48 <gribble> 112972
287 2011-03-10 03:17:48 <luke-jr> ;;bc,blocks
288 2011-03-10 03:17:54 <luke-jr> 112972 was literally JUST found
289 2011-03-10 03:18:03 <luke-jr> so 112971 is likely not a problem
290 2011-03-10 03:18:24 <doublec> dirtyfilthy: if it is that, upgrade to 0.3.20.2
291 2011-03-10 03:18:31 <dirtyfilthy> nah my fuckup i think
292 2011-03-10 03:18:37 <dirtyfilthy> it's been a long day
293 2011-03-10 03:18:57 <doublec> How's chch?
294 2011-03-10 03:19:00 <x6763> hmmm...blockexplorer is only showing up to block 112919
295 2011-03-10 03:19:07 <farzong> who found it
296 2011-03-10 03:19:18 <dirtyfilthy> doublec: pretty munted :)
297 2011-03-10 03:19:33 <doublec> dirtyfilthy: getting better with power and water I hope
298 2011-03-10 03:20:07 <dirtyfilthy> yeah we got power water and sewerage back at my place last friday, almost like living in a first world country now
299 2011-03-10 03:20:45 <farzong> is there an app that will play a jingle whenever a block is found
300 2011-03-10 03:20:46 <doublec> crazy. it's amazing what we take for granted.
301 2011-03-10 03:21:07 <dirtyfilthy> yeah, you don't really think of the supermarket as an essential service, but it is
302 2011-03-10 03:21:16 <luke-jr> farzong: #bitcoin-watch
303 2011-03-10 03:21:22 <farzong> oh good call luke-jr
304 2011-03-10 03:21:23 <luke-jr> farzong: set your IRC client to play sounds :P
305 2011-03-10 03:22:20 <knotwork> when you do a send via RPC using non-daemon bitcoind to RPC the daemon one... and send fails... does the program return a non-zero return value (error code) ?
306 2011-03-10 03:22:29 <farzong> im just concerned about chain spamming.. ppl announcing they have huge chains that are bogus.. clients will keep verifying phony chains ad infinitum
307 2011-03-10 03:22:58 <knotwork> (I am worried that txfees might make a send fail, or for other reason a send fails; bad if wanting to send in return something)
308 2011-03-10 03:24:30 <Aciid> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4343.msg63275#msg63275
309 2011-03-10 03:26:49 <farzong> greeting FT!
310 2011-03-10 03:26:49 <FellowTraveler> hi all
311 2011-03-10 03:26:52 <dirtyfilthy> /join #bitcoin-watch
312 2011-03-10 03:27:08 <FellowTraveler> hi farzong
313 2011-03-10 03:37:15 <farzong> so theres now a trading bot on mtgox
314 2011-03-10 03:38:04 <doublec> I thought there were always bots on mtgox
315 2011-03-10 03:38:11 <farzong> oh hmm
316 2011-03-10 03:38:24 <nameless> |Hey, quick poll. Does anyone here need a seedbox or a shell acount on a server with a decent amount of storage/bandwidth?
317 2011-03-10 03:39:38 <dirtyfilthy> so shell not vps
318 2011-03-10 03:39:52 <nameless> |dirtyfilthy: Can do either actually
319 2011-03-10 03:40:07 <FellowTraveler> Anyone interested in any kind of OT integration with Bitcoin?
320 2011-03-10 03:40:19 <FellowTraveler> I can give you support on OT while you are developing.
321 2011-03-10 03:40:32 <dirtyfilthy> i might be interested in a vps
322 2011-03-10 03:41:04 <FellowTraveler> vps?
323 2011-03-10 03:41:05 <nameless> |dirtyfilthy: PM'd
324 2011-03-10 03:41:10 <FellowTraveler> oh sorry
325 2011-03-10 03:41:16 <Tril> FT: I'm interested in OT
326 2011-03-10 03:41:20 <nameless> |FellowTraveler: Virtual Private Server?
327 2011-03-10 03:43:40 <dirtyfilthy> OT? heh too many acronyms
328 2011-03-10 03:46:01 <FellowTraveler> Sorry I just didn't notice your prior convo on the vps topic or I wouldn't have said anything
329 2011-03-10 03:46:37 <nameless> |FellowTraveler: No worries
330 2011-03-10 03:47:28 <genjix> FellowTraveler: OT is like tokens you download and validate against an issuing server, right?
331 2011-03-10 03:47:44 <FellowTraveler> genjix, OT is a financial crypto library
332 2011-03-10 03:48:05 <Tril> OT=opentransactions.  I still read it as Off Topic though... OTX?
333 2011-03-10 03:48:11 <FellowTraveler> you can use it to issue currencies, open accounts, write/deposit cheques, withdraw/deposit in untraceable cash
334 2011-03-10 03:48:28 <FellowTraveler> I think by tokens you are referring to the cash instrument.
335 2011-03-10 03:48:47 <FellowTraveler> Also keep in mind since the serve enables untraceable money, you can run it on I2P for a profit.
336 2011-03-10 03:48:56 <FellowTraveler> So it kind of has the same "can't shut it down" benefit of bitcoin
337 2011-03-10 03:49:06 <FellowTraveler> and OT supports markets, so you could have BTC trading against other currencies
338 2011-03-10 03:49:09 <FellowTraveler> and it supports basket currencies
339 2011-03-10 03:49:51 <Tril> yes, basically, every website that takes BTC now and provides you a balance, could instead run opentransactions, and let users anonymously trade their balances amongst each other
340 2011-03-10 03:50:18 <FellowTraveler> right
341 2011-03-10 03:50:23 <genjix> FellowTraveler: yeah i have a few ideas how it could be used
342 2011-03-10 03:50:28 <FellowTraveler> they could use markets, they could withdraw in untraceable cash, etc
343 2011-03-10 03:50:30 <AmpEater> Hmmm
344 2011-03-10 03:50:38 <genjix> 1) gaming site (poker) where you buy chips and play
345 2011-03-10 03:50:39 <FellowTraveler> See the articles, diagrams: https://github.com/FellowTraveler/Open-Transactions/wiki
346 2011-03-10 03:50:43 <genjix> 2) laundering bitcoins
347 2011-03-10 03:50:54 <genjix> 3) stock market
348 2011-03-10 03:51:11 <FellowTraveler> yeah there's lots of potential uses
349 2011-03-10 03:51:14 <FellowTraveler> profitable nym server
350 2011-03-10 03:51:19 <FellowTraveler> profitable anonymous downloads
351 2011-03-10 03:51:26 <FellowTraveler> profitable tor directory server, whatever
352 2011-03-10 03:51:35 <FellowTraveler> here's some use cases:  https://github.com/FellowTraveler/Open-Transactions/wiki/Use-Cases
353 2011-03-10 03:52:02 <knotwork> I have tcl library of OT client built into one of my IRC bots
354 2011-03-10 03:52:31 <knotwork> then I realised though that it simply setting up itrs wallet would only support one user, presumably its owner
355 2011-03-10 03:52:54 <[Tycho]> Is there anyone willing to help with pool testing ?
356 2011-03-10 03:52:56 <knotwork> I think eggdrop bots only do one thing at a time so not sure about allowing it to handle umpteen users wallets
357 2011-03-10 03:54:00 <knotwork> but maybe even at one bot per person it could be useful for some people, to have ready access to transactions
358 2011-03-10 03:54:02 <knotwork> from inside IRC
359 2011-03-10 03:54:36 <Tril> [Tycho]: I can test if someone helps me setup CPU mining, I couldn't get it working before
360 2011-03-10 03:54:59 <FellowTraveler> Oops I meant to put business cases: https://github.com/FellowTraveler/Open-Transactions/wiki/Business-Cases
361 2011-03-10 03:55:03 <FellowTraveler> (potential uses of the software)
362 2011-03-10 03:55:04 <Tril> (with an external client, obviously "Generate" works)
363 2011-03-10 03:57:12 <[Tycho]> I need gpu testers, sorry :(
364 2011-03-10 03:57:33 <[Tycho]> Tril, what's exactly your problem with CPU mining ?
365 2011-03-10 03:58:51 <Tril> ok..I forget the error I had, if my CPU won't help, let me wait until I can contribute GPU :)
366 2011-03-10 03:59:31 <[Tycho]> I can help with setting up your CPU mining if you tell me what's the problem with it.
367 2011-03-10 04:03:01 <jrabbit> FellowTraveler: Ohhh, you mighht want to make it a little clear that its not in competition with bitcoin
368 2011-03-10 04:03:08 <jrabbit> that wasn't very obvious reading about
369 2011-03-10 04:03:31 <da2ce7> ;;bc,stats
370 2011-03-10 04:03:33 <gribble> Current Blocks: 112974 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 1937 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 19 hours, 58 minutes, and 49 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 75037.15708370
371 2011-03-10 04:03:50 <AmpEater> Hmm, dropping again
372 2011-03-10 04:04:08 <da2ce7> after a big jump
373 2011-03-10 04:04:24 <da2ce7> it will take a while for more miners to come online, esp as the price hasn't gorn up
374 2011-03-10 04:04:47 <AmpEater> Hope so
375 2011-03-10 04:07:11 <Tril> I appear to be mining at 300Khash/sec, woohoo
376 2011-03-10 04:07:41 <AmpEater> Would like to make some money before a gpu doesn't produce hardly anything
377 2011-03-10 04:09:35 <lfm> ;;bc,gen 300000
378 2011-03-10 04:09:37 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 300000 Khps, given current difficulty of 76193.9710474 , is 3.96026759111 BTC per day and 0.16501114963 BTC per hour.
379 2011-03-10 04:09:59 <luke-jr> ;;bc,gen 600000
380 2011-03-10 04:10:00 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 600000 Khps, given current difficulty of 76193.9710474 , is 7.92053518222 BTC per day and 0.330022299259 BTC per hour.
381 2011-03-10 04:11:07 <farzong> give me the coin
382 2011-03-10 04:12:08 <AmpEater> ;;bc,gen 3200000
383 2011-03-10 04:12:09 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 3200000 Khps, given current difficulty of 76193.9710474 , is 42.2428543052 BTC per day and 1.76011892938 BTC per hour.
384 2011-03-10 04:12:35 <AmpEater> ;;bc,gen 5400000
385 2011-03-10 04:13:47 <jrabbit> :|
386 2011-03-10 04:14:31 <AmpEater> :)
387 2011-03-10 04:16:14 <farzong> another sign of the apocalypse: "Febreeze" air freshener has hit the $1 billion revenue mark
388 2011-03-10 04:16:32 <AmpEater> Lol
389 2011-03-10 04:16:42 <farzong> for the past 12 months
390 2011-03-10 04:16:50 <farzong> ppl buy this horrific stuff? its probably toxic
391 2011-03-10 04:16:52 <Lachesis> can someone here running ubuntu maverick pastebin the output of ps aux?
392 2011-03-10 04:17:15 <Lachesis> i feel like i'm going crazy - chromium is using 800MB of vram PER TAB
393 2011-03-10 04:18:05 <Lachesis> nautilus is using 800, pidgin is using 500, bitcoin is using 425...
394 2011-03-10 04:18:11 <Lachesis> is there something borked with my gtk toolkit?
395 2011-03-10 04:18:20 <mizerydearia> I set prices for meta and faq categories at witcoin.com to be practically free.
396 2011-03-10 04:19:49 <farzong> just purchased some herb in btc
397 2011-03-10 04:21:11 <mizerydearia> farzong, did you buy some derb too?
398 2011-03-10 04:22:27 <farzong> derb? does it get you high
399 2011-03-10 04:23:10 <Tril> what difficulty are the shares at on deepbit.net?
400 2011-03-10 04:24:37 <farzong> interesting that the blocks are winner take all...
401 2011-03-10 04:25:01 <farzong> maybe if there were some way to prove you scanned some of the hashspace you should get rewarded as well
402 2011-03-10 04:25:15 <Tril> farzong that's exactly what a pool is.
403 2011-03-10 04:25:23 <farzong> yeah.. but you gotta be in the winning pool
404 2011-03-10 04:25:28 <Tril> nope.
405 2011-03-10 04:25:59 <Tril> some pools pay per share regardless of if they find a block
406 2011-03-10 04:26:00 <farzong> oh no? hmm
407 2011-03-10 04:26:05 <farzong> to their members
408 2011-03-10 04:27:40 <farzong> one possible way is you announce the smallest hash found within a key range.. others can verify probabilistically by probing the key range and checking if something is smaller i guess
409 2011-03-10 04:28:16 <farzong> and you get paid for the portion of the search space you traversed first
410 2011-03-10 04:28:38 <farzong> pay for effort, even if it didnt result in a win
411 2011-03-10 04:28:41 <doublec> or you could drop difficulty and instead reduce the 50btc 'found a block' payment to adjust for hash rate
412 2011-03-10 04:28:56 <doublec> so keep difficulty at 1
413 2011-03-10 04:29:05 <doublec> but pay 0.0005 for each share found
414 2011-03-10 04:29:10 <farzong> yeah.. course the chain would be weaker someone else could create a competing chain thats longer
415 2011-03-10 04:30:02 <farzong> well actually no it wouldnt be weaker would it.. since youd end up finding many more new blocks
416 2011-03-10 04:30:29 <farzong> so yeah doublec .... that would be good
417 2011-03-10 04:34:31 <farzong> so whats the best pool
418 2011-03-10 04:35:03 <doublec> I like bitpenny. deepbit sounds good. slush is good but closed.
419 2011-03-10 04:35:35 <doublec> bitpenny is low cognitive overhead. No need to register. Just start a miner with a receiving address as the user id.
420 2011-03-10 04:35:52 <farzong> i c
421 2011-03-10 04:40:51 <farzong> seems like you want to join the largest pool possible to maximize the chance your work will be counted
422 2011-03-10 04:43:16 <OneFixt> farzong: usually, yes; at bitpenny, you don't have to care about the pool speed since you are paid instantly for every share solved
423 2011-03-10 04:43:38 <farzong> oh cool
424 2011-03-10 04:44:44 <doublec> bitpenny was the first pay per share pool I think
425 2011-03-10 04:44:57 <OneFixt> yep, introduced that structure
426 2011-03-10 04:49:01 <mizerydearia> Poll ----> If you post to a user-generated content site, how many bitcoins would you be willing to pay for the single post?  What seems reasonably inexpensive that you wouldn't have to think about it?  0.01 bitcoins?  0.001 bitcoins? 0.0001 bitcoins? 0.00000001 bitcoins? other?
427 2011-03-10 04:50:35 <doublec> midnightmagic: 0.001
428 2011-03-10 04:50:47 <doublec> erm. mizerydearia: 0.001
429 2011-03-10 04:50:49 <dirtyfilthy> +1
430 2011-03-10 04:51:04 <AmpEater> ..01 or less
431 2011-03-10 04:51:07 <doublec> the exchange rate is such that 0.01 is more than 1 cent in my local currency
432 2011-03-10 04:55:56 <noagendamarket> user generated bitcoin cost :)
433 2011-03-10 04:56:05 <bxc> is it normal that bitcoin uses aboyt 10% cpu even when it should be "idle", on my laptop?
434 2011-03-10 04:57:50 <Tril> may depend how many peers you connect to
435 2011-03-10 04:58:45 <Tril> it has to verify each transaction that anyone does to decide if it wants to send it to others
436 2011-03-10 04:58:47 <doublec> it idles mostly at 0 for me
437 2011-03-10 04:58:59 <doublec> bxc: is it still downloading the block chain?
438 2011-03-10 04:59:02 <doublec> bxc: that uses cpu
439 2011-03-10 04:59:08 <bxc> no
440 2011-03-10 04:59:16 <bxc> its at block 112978
441 2011-03-10 04:59:53 <Tril> also if you made some transactions or raised your key pool size it maybe creating key pairs
442 2011-03-10 05:00:13 <bxc> nope
443 2011-03-10 05:00:39 <doublec> is this the gui or bitcoind?
444 2011-03-10 05:00:40 <bxc> what i'm really wondering is if one of my users on barwen.ch is running bitcoind how much CPU and load its going to generate after its validated the block chain
445 2011-03-10 05:00:41 <Tril> i guess it's not normal then
446 2011-03-10 05:00:53 <bxc> doublec: the gui here, but in my end question, bitcoind
447 2011-03-10 05:01:42 <doublec> bxc: on linux with 50 connected nodes it idles at about 1% cpu for me (this is bitcoind)
448 2011-03-10 05:02:02 <bxc> ok
449 2011-03-10 05:02:59 <bxc> its possible to validate the block chain on some other computer and transfer it across?
450 2011-03-10 05:04:05 <Tril> bxc: yes, so they tell me, but try shutting down bitcoind on the source side first, I didn't do that and got corrupted files.
451 2011-03-10 05:04:42 <Tril> the chain should be in blk0001.dat and blkindex.dat
452 2011-03-10 05:08:28 <bxc> ok thanks
453 2011-03-10 05:13:02 <AmpEater> ;;bc;gen 300000
454 2011-03-10 05:13:02 <gribble> Error: "bc;gen" is not a valid command.
455 2011-03-10 05:13:20 <Aciid> ;;bc,gen 300000
456 2011-03-10 05:13:21 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 300000 Khps, given current difficulty of 76193.9710474 , is 3.96026759111 BTC per day and 0.16501114963 BTC per hour.
457 2011-03-10 05:13:34 <bk128> ;;bc,estimate
458 2011-03-10 05:13:34 <gribble> 73250.58857639
459 2011-03-10 05:13:35 <AmpEater> ;;bc:gen 3000000
460 2011-03-10 05:13:36 <gribble> Error: "bc:gen" is not a valid command.
461 2011-03-10 05:13:51 <AmpEater> Ah, I see my problem
462 2011-03-10 05:15:36 <da2ce7> ;;bc,gen 500000
463 2011-03-10 05:15:37 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 500000 Khps, given current difficulty of 76193.9710474 , is 6.60044598518 BTC per day and 0.275018582716 BTC per hour.
464 2011-03-10 05:16:00 <mmagic> ;;bc,stats
465 2011-03-10 05:16:02 <gribble> Current Blocks: 112979 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 1932 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 0 days, 3 hours, 10 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 73250.58857639
466 2011-03-10 05:16:47 <mmagic> usually the difficulty is high. did someone tweak gribble?
467 2011-03-10 05:16:57 <mmagic> err..  difficulty estimate..
468 2011-03-10 05:18:23 <dissipate> mmagic, the next estimate is lower
469 2011-03-10 05:18:36 <da2ce7> it is just the start of annother round...
470 2011-03-10 05:18:44 <da2ce7> there is high varence in the number
471 2011-03-10 05:19:04 <mmagic> yeah. usually the estimate is much, much higher. i've never seen it lower and I've been here for DF changes since december.
472 2011-03-10 05:19:06 <da2ce7> near the end of the round, expected diff is quite stable.
473 2011-03-10 05:20:01 <mmagic> i'd always wondered why it was never lower. always up in the 200k or 90k or whatever, then stabilises down.
474 2011-03-10 05:21:16 <da2ce7> becasue every time before, the network was way faster than what the estimate was.
475 2011-03-10 05:21:31 <da2ce7> so whent he new diff came into play the network was already ahead.
476 2011-03-10 05:21:41 <da2ce7> so cances were on the upside.
477 2011-03-10 05:22:03 <da2ce7> this time the diff is just about right... so there is no chace on the upsid or underside.
478 2011-03-10 05:22:26 <da2ce7> by luck people are just making blocks slower than expected.
479 2011-03-10 05:22:38 <genjix> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4353.0
480 2011-03-10 05:22:58 <genjix> ./bitcoind send genjix@foo.org 1
481 2011-03-10 05:23:35 <mmagic> indeed, indeed. it's very interesting to see the growth slowing down a tad..
482 2011-03-10 05:25:38 <Aciid> genjix: oh my god this could be a partial solution on the #otc WOT problem
483 2011-03-10 05:31:30 <dirtyfilthy> what's the problem?
484 2011-03-10 05:33:10 <Aciid> dirtyfilthy: non-techies would like to trade at otc too
485 2011-03-10 05:33:30 <Aciid> dirtyfilthy: but using GPG on windows requires some knowledge.
486 2011-03-10 05:33:47 <Aciid> dirtyfilthy: and some are just reluctant to start hazzling with it
487 2011-03-10 05:35:57 <dirtyfilthy> i'd like to see some kind of generic bitcoin reputation website
488 2011-03-10 05:38:49 <agorist> can you elaborate on that ?
489 2011-03-10 05:39:37 <genjix> mizerydearia: made update to that post :p
490 2011-03-10 05:39:52 <genjix> Aciid: wot wot problem?
491 2011-03-10 05:40:18 <genjix> wut wot
492 2011-03-10 05:41:08 <dirtyfilthy> ah reputation site where you can rate people or business you've had dealings with in the bitcoin community
493 2011-03-10 05:42:06 <Aciid> genjix: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4346
494 2011-03-10 05:42:10 <dirtyfilthy> how exactly that would function is something i've been wondering about
495 2011-03-10 05:42:20 <Aciid> dirtyfilthy: its already functioning
496 2011-03-10 05:42:37 <Aciid> dirtyfilthy: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratings.php
497 2011-03-10 05:42:51 <dirtyfilthy> isn't that connected to irc handles only?
498 2011-03-10 05:43:42 <Aciid> it uses GPG keys
499 2011-03-10 05:43:49 <Aciid> you have to auth everytime you want to make biz
500 2011-03-10 05:44:01 <Aciid> so nobody can come and claim to be you
501 2011-03-10 05:44:10 <Aciid> unless you auth to gribble
502 2011-03-10 05:44:16 <Aciid> ;;view
503 2011-03-10 05:44:17 <gribble> Error: No orders found matching these criteria.
504 2011-03-10 05:44:41 <dirtyfilthy> ah right, so if there was a web front end maybe
505 2011-03-10 05:44:51 <dirtyfilthy> like to manage your keys
506 2011-03-10 05:45:40 <Aciid> ;;gpg ident
507 2011-03-10 05:45:40 <gribble> You are identified as user Aciid, with GPG key id 4D0E43D3D325B1F0, and key fingerprint 271D33B3B3886EBF2C6547E14D0E43D3D325B1F0.
508 2011-03-10 05:45:43 <Aciid> =)
509 2011-03-10 05:45:59 <nevezen> What do you guys think of the new AMD 6990?
510 2011-03-10 05:46:58 <Aciid> nevezen: a beast, but not in my range of budget
511 2011-03-10 05:47:14 <dirtyfilthy> Aciid: hmmm thanks dude, i didn't realise how bitcoin otc worked
512 2011-03-10 05:47:22 <nevezen> yeah, pricey
513 2011-03-10 05:49:00 <Aciid> dirtyfilthy: no problem
514 2011-03-10 05:52:20 <AmpEater> ;;bc,gen 5400000
515 2011-03-10 05:52:21 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 5400000 Khps, given current difficulty of 76193.9710474 , is 71.28481664 BTC per day and 2.97020069333 BTC per hour.
516 2011-03-10 06:23:14 <mizerydearia> oi, nenolod is associated with http://www.atheme.org/contact
517 2011-03-10 06:34:26 <da2ce7> bought a 120GB ssd and a 3TB hdd.
518 2011-03-10 06:34:27 <da2ce7> :)
519 2011-03-10 06:34:52 <da2ce7> gonna format my pc tomorow... this windows has been arround for way too long.
520 2011-03-10 06:36:53 <lfm> da2ce7: good luck with that
521 2011-03-10 06:37:26 <da2ce7> 1TB windows hdd, has 50GB free :(
522 2011-03-10 06:38:12 <lfm> da2ce7: if I were you id let the windows drive be for a while. format the new ssd for linux
523 2011-03-10 06:38:39 <Mango-chan> why are
524 2011-03-10 06:38:40 <Mango-chan> dead already
525 2011-03-10 06:38:53 <lfm> Mango-chan: why you say that?
526 2011-03-10 06:38:59 <da2ce7> I need windows, I a photographer, need adobe bridge and photoshop.
527 2011-03-10 06:39:04 <da2ce7> *I'm
528 2011-03-10 06:39:07 <Mango-chan> Last Price: 0.8694High:0.87Low: 0.8497Volume: 4043
529 2011-03-10 06:39:13 <Mango-chan> windows > * nix
530 2011-03-10 06:39:32 <Diablo-D3> people actually use adobe bridge? lol\n318645
531 2011-03-10 06:39:45 <Mango-chan> fat neckbearded virgins use linux
532 2011-03-10 06:39:50 <Mango-chan> hipsters use osx
533 2011-03-10 06:40:06 <da2ce7> bridge is great, it is really good at sorting large numbers of photos.
534 2011-03-10 06:40:15 <Diablo-D3> other than that, you're doing greaty
535 2011-03-10 06:40:16 <lfm> ponces use osx
536 2011-03-10 06:40:30 <Mango-chan> Diablo-D3: pics
537 2011-03-10 06:40:43 <Diablo-D3> Mango-chan: nope, never
538 2011-03-10 06:40:46 <Mango-chan> but yeah
539 2011-03-10 06:40:48 <Mango-chan> rich people don't use linux
540 2011-03-10 06:40:55 <Diablo-D3> there is no photos of me on the internet, and I intend on keeping it that way
541 2011-03-10 06:41:04 <Mango-chan> >he doesn't have a facebook
542 2011-03-10 06:41:09 <Mango-chan> what are you, socially inept?
543 2011-03-10 06:41:20 <lfm> naw, just ugly
544 2011-03-10 06:41:29 <Mango-chan> kik
545 2011-03-10 06:41:30 <Mango-chan> 'lol
546 2011-03-10 06:41:41 <Diablo-D3> no, only socially inept people have a facebook account
547 2011-03-10 06:41:43 <da2ce7> :P I wish I was like that... however I kinda need facebook for work.
548 2011-03-10 06:41:47 <Diablo-D3> real people talk to other real people in person
549 2011-03-10 06:41:55 <noagendamarket> http://funnyvids.witcoin.com/p/360/Leave-it-to-beaver     lol
550 2011-03-10 06:41:57 <Mango-chan> lol.
551 2011-03-10 06:42:09 <Diablo-D3> da2ce7: no one needs facebook for work
552 2011-03-10 06:42:24 <da2ce7> lol... I wish.
553 2011-03-10 06:42:33 <Mango-chan> Diablo-D3
554 2011-03-10 06:42:34 <lfm> if you work for zynga you are soooo evil
555 2011-03-10 06:42:38 <Mango-chan> if you're not socially inept and you work
556 2011-03-10 06:42:45 <Mango-chan> why are you on irc
557 2011-03-10 06:42:52 <Mango-chan> don't you have a family
558 2011-03-10 06:42:58 <Diablo-D3> because I was on irc long before it became popular
559 2011-03-10 06:43:02 <Mango-chan> don't you have a family
560 2011-03-10 06:43:06 <Diablo-D3> and Im going to be long after you assholes get off of it
561 2011-03-10 06:43:15 <lfm> my family is dead ... thanks for bringing it up
562 2011-03-10 06:43:16 <da2ce7> yes yes.
563 2011-03-10 06:43:19 <Mango-chan> lfm
564 2011-03-10 06:43:22 <Mango-chan> i'm not talking to you
565 2011-03-10 06:43:34 <Diablo-D3> so why havent we banned Mango-chan for trolling yet?
566 2011-03-10 06:43:44 <Mango-chan> i'm not trolling
567 2011-03-10 06:43:51 <Diablo-D3> says the troll
568 2011-03-10 06:43:56 <Mango-chan> so when did presenting my POV ever become trolling?
569 2011-03-10 06:44:04 <Diablo-D3> since forever
570 2011-03-10 06:44:08 <Mango-chan> ic
571 2011-03-10 06:44:16 <Diablo-D3> thats a common troll tactic
572 2011-03-10 06:44:28 <Mango-chan> i'm just stating the facts:
573 2011-03-10 06:44:40 <Mango-chan> most businessmen use windows
574 2011-03-10 06:44:46 <Mango-chan> most basement dwellers use linux
575 2011-03-10 06:44:54 <Mango-chan> most hipsters use osx
576 2011-03-10 06:44:55 <Diablo-D3> actually, most basement dwellers use xbox.
577 2011-03-10 06:44:59 <lfm> thats what most trolls do, present their pov
578 2011-03-10 06:45:01 <Diablo-D3> most people who like to get shit done use linux
579 2011-03-10 06:45:27 <Mango-chan> like what shit
580 2011-03-10 06:45:38 <Diablo-D3> including, but not limited to, making money
581 2011-03-10 06:45:50 <Mango-chan> how much money are you talking about?
582 2011-03-10 06:46:32 <Mango-chan> i know a google kernel engineer; he makes 130k/year but he uses windows at home
583 2011-03-10 06:47:22 <da2ce7> trolls have lots of fat, and can be grown for their oil.
584 2011-03-10 06:49:39 <Diablo-D3> Mango-chan: then Im not sure why google continues to employ him
585 2011-03-10 06:49:47 <Diablo-D3> someone who doesnt use linux 24/7 isnt suited to hack on it
586 2011-03-10 06:49:49 <Mango-chan> because he knows what he's doing
587 2011-03-10 06:50:07 <Mango-chan> he's been at google for 5 years and has been promoted multiple times
588 2011-03-10 06:50:12 <da2ce7> Diablo-D3, now you are trolling
589 2011-03-10 06:50:32 <Mango-chan> da2ce7 he's always been trolling since he started shittalking windows :/
590 2011-03-10 06:50:52 <Mango-chan> knowing something doesn't mean you have to use it 24/7!
591 2011-03-10 06:51:21 <Diablo-D3> when did I start shittalking windows?
592 2011-03-10 06:51:22 <[Tycho]> Why would someone use linux AT HOME ?
593 2011-03-10 06:51:30 <Diablo-D3> [Tycho]: because some of us like getting shit done
594 2011-03-10 06:51:31 <da2ce7> I think that windows is great, I try to use the best tools for the job. I don't ever use mac casue I think that it is shit.
595 2011-03-10 06:51:37 <Mango-chan> Diablo-D3 you get shit down AT WORK
596 2011-03-10 06:51:44 <Diablo-D3> I get shit done 24/7.
597 2011-03-10 06:51:51 <Mango-chan> get a life
598 2011-03-10 06:51:58 <Mango-chan> ""
599 2011-03-10 06:52:22 <Aciid> Windows 7 at work, Y U NO GIT
600 2011-03-10 06:52:31 <Diablo-D3> "get a life"
601 2011-03-10 06:52:32 <Diablo-D3> lol
602 2011-03-10 06:52:36 <Diablo-D3> thats all he has to say
603 2011-03-10 06:52:37 <Diablo-D3> "get a life"
604 2011-03-10 06:52:44 <da2ce7> nothing on linux can touch adobe software on windows 7 for pho photography.
605 2011-03-10 06:52:45 <Mango-chan> Diablo-D3 how old are you btw?
606 2011-03-10 06:52:59 <da2ce7> *pro
607 2011-03-10 06:53:01 <Mango-chan> da2ce7: he's gonna be like "GIMP IS SUPERIOR" soon
608 2011-03-10 06:53:03 <Aciid> git for windows -> git clone xxxx -> "did you remember to update-server-info" FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU
609 2011-03-10 06:53:18 <Mango-chan> ssh into a work machine
610 2011-03-10 06:53:21 <Mango-chan> best of both worlds
611 2011-03-10 06:53:24 <Diablo-D3> da2ce7: photoshop in wine.
612 2011-03-10 06:53:26 <Diablo-D3> bam.
613 2011-03-10 06:53:29 <Aciid> get a mac for that
614 2011-03-10 06:53:33 <Aciid> separate machines == win
615 2011-03-10 06:53:38 <[Tycho]> Hate git for asking for comments every time.
616 2011-03-10 06:53:47 <Diablo-D3> [Tycho]: ....
617 2011-03-10 06:53:55 <Diablo-D3> you fail at software development FOREVER
618 2011-03-10 06:54:22 <da2ce7> wine is fail.
619 2011-03-10 06:54:27 <Mango-chan> you develop software Diablo-D3?
620 2011-03-10 06:54:29 <[Tycho]> Well, actually i'm winning ATM.
621 2011-03-10 06:54:44 <Mango-chan> how do you feel that you will always work BENEATH someone who's using Windoows?
622 2011-03-10 06:54:45 <Mango-chan> Lol.
623 2011-03-10 06:54:50 <Diablo-D3> [Tycho]: WINNING, its in all caps
624 2011-03-10 06:55:02 <Diablo-D3> Mango-chan: I work beneath myself now?
625 2011-03-10 06:55:12 <Mango-chan> and that's solely why you ain't rich brah
626 2011-03-10 06:55:23 <Diablo-D3> Why would I care if I'm rich or not?
627 2011-03-10 06:55:48 <da2ce7> controll your own finances and money, controll your own freedom.
628 2011-03-10 06:56:02 <Diablo-D3> da2ce7: control your excessive l usage
629 2011-03-10 06:57:21 <Diablo-D3> Mango-chan: and seriously, "brah"?
630 2011-03-10 06:57:25 <Diablo-D3> who the fuck says brah
631 2011-03-10 06:57:33 <Diablo-D3> I wasn't aware we were in New Jersey
632 2011-03-10 06:57:41 <Mango-chan> i live in japan...
633 2011-03-10 06:58:37 <Diablo-D3> They do not say brah in Japan.
634 2011-03-10 06:58:41 <noagendamarket> lmao
635 2011-03-10 06:58:57 <Mango-chan> ??,???gSSSSSSSSSSSS
636 2011-03-10 06:59:04 <noagendamarket> new zealanders use brah
637 2011-03-10 06:59:28 <da2ce7> I want to go to japan, Mango-chan, how many btc to stay as a guest at your place for a few nights?
638 2011-03-10 07:10:37 <Diablo-D3> da2ce7: I get enough shit from xelister
639 2011-03-10 07:10:40 <Diablo-D3> you can stfu.
640 2011-03-10 07:11:40 <mizerydearia> Aciid, http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4343.msg63275#msg63275 this post was deleted
641 2011-03-10 07:11:54 <mizerydearia> Do you remember what it was about?
642 2011-03-10 07:12:58 <Aciid> mizerydearia: spam
643 2011-03-10 07:13:13 <Aciid> China binq Mining Machinery Co., Ltd
644 2011-03-10 07:14:27 <Aciid> da2ce7: very mature.
645 2011-03-10 07:15:34 <lfm> incredible: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxRT60-kw78&feature=player_embedded#at=156
646 2011-03-10 07:27:55 <Mango-chan> Diablo-D3 do you own a hhkb
647 2011-03-10 07:32:21 <mizerydearia> Aciid, ah
648 2011-03-10 07:33:12 <hwolf> seems like confirmations take forever now
649 2011-03-10 07:36:24 <jgarzik> what is this "[REVIEW] name lookup branch" stuff?
650 2011-03-10 07:37:11 <jgarzik> genjix's post describes (a) what it doesn't do yet, (b) how to update a password, and (c) how to send genjix a tip
651 2011-03-10 07:37:24 <jgarzik> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4353.0
652 2011-03-10 07:50:16 <tcatm> very ugly code... it appends /getaddress.php?nickname=%s to the IP/domain which returns a bitcoin address
653 2011-03-10 07:55:10 <mmagic> Well well.. I was right about the massive increase after all. So there's evidence of a single entity grabbing all that hashrate.
654 2011-03-10 07:55:24 <mmagic> Why didn't someone tell me I was right? ;-)
655 2011-03-10 07:56:16 <mmagic> Art counter-speculated it was a number of midrange operations coming online.
656 2011-03-10 07:56:32 <tcatm> where's that evidence?
657 2011-03-10 07:57:46 <mmagic> weak evidence: http://bitcoin.atspace.com/mysteryminer.html ; the "mystery miner" was outputting unique-ish coinbase and may have been isolated to 1 IP, assuming stuff said here is sometimes accurate.
658 2011-03-10 07:58:42 <tcatm> yep
659 2011-03-10 07:58:58 <mmagic> what i'd really love to know is how they narrowed it down. i know how I'd do it, but it would require so much effort that, on my part, i'm not entirely sure it'd be worth it until i had a lot more invested in btc.
660 2011-03-10 08:07:48 <Syke> would be quite interesting to figure out what the hardware setup was like.
661 2011-03-10 08:08:08 <mmagic> Syke: probably just 100,000 bots all churning along..
662 2011-03-10 08:08:20 <BlueMatt> mmagic: you may think we are in the middle of history, but we have to work to make it that.  Spread the word. Get people to join
663 2011-03-10 08:08:35 <mmagic> didn't slush cut new memberships because some douchebag was connecting with cpu miners? LOL
664 2011-03-10 08:09:21 <BlueMatt> mmagic: half the point of the pool is that cpu miners can make a tiny bit...
665 2011-03-10 08:09:35 <Spenvo> speaking of spread the word, has anyone used google translate's api? http://code.google.com/apis/language/translate/overview.html
666 2011-03-10 08:09:42 <Syke> I wouldn't be surprised if it was a botfarm
667 2011-03-10 08:09:43 <BlueMatt> mmagic: he closed it because the pool was just growing too fast
668 2011-03-10 08:09:57 <Avemo> the point of the pool is to reduce variance
669 2011-03-10 08:10:01 <BlueMatt> The /. and secnow mention boosted pool signups a ton
670 2011-03-10 08:10:11 <mmagic> BlueMatt: dude. I asked my employer to pay me a couple month's salary in bitcoins. I am supporting local geek charities with them; I accept payment for every debt in bitcoins, from anyone, at a loss to myself. I'm doing the best I can. :)
671 2011-03-10 08:11:01 <BlueMatt> mmagic: true, but thats not gonna do it...Get your local businesses to accept it for purchases too.
672 2011-03-10 08:11:01 <mmagic> BlueMatt: oh, right. but I thought he did end up banning an account which was cpu-mining?
673 2011-03-10 08:11:02 <BlueMatt> mmagic: or get online businesses interested
674 2011-03-10 08:11:05 <Aciid> Spenvo: Drupal has a module that uses it
675 2011-03-10 08:11:05 <farzong> give me the coin
676 2011-03-10 08:11:21 <Spenvo> Aciid: i've gotten hits on the bulletin from 25 countries and 95% percent of those people can't read the site
677 2011-03-10 08:11:29 <farzong> well say a biz accepts btc.. a person doesnt have huge incentive to use it since the tx fees are so high to acquire btc
678 2011-03-10 08:11:30 <Spenvo> I'll check plugins in wordpress
679 2011-03-10 08:11:44 <BlueMatt> mmagic: Just send an email to whatever online sites you typically buy from, get someone there to know bitcoin exists
680 2011-03-10 08:11:46 <mmagic> BlueMatt: i would only be able to convince people to accept bitcoin if i could offer them infrastructure, and solve the instant-pay problem in a way that was palatable to people.
681 2011-03-10 08:11:51 <BlueMatt> mmagic: If enough people do that, eventually they will
682 2011-03-10 08:12:05 <farzong> except for things where anonymity is needed, it might be worth the tx fee
683 2011-03-10 08:12:29 <BlueMatt> For an online site, they dont care if it takes 1 sec to verify or 1 hour, it doesnt really effect ship times
684 2011-03-10 08:12:30 <Spenvo> bingo!  wordpress is rockin
685 2011-03-10 08:12:36 <farzong> the cartel should find a social/viral way to distribute out the btc to the populace
686 2011-03-10 08:12:51 <farzong> through facebook invites or something or karma
687 2011-03-10 08:13:14 <mmagic> if i thought i could get away with a picard facepalm at you, farzong, i would be pasting right now.
688 2011-03-10 08:13:58 <farzong> post some ascii art
689 2011-03-10 08:14:13 <BlueMatt> not on here please
690 2011-03-10 08:14:28 <mmagic> BlueMatt: i meant in privmsg
691 2011-03-10 08:16:20 <mmagic> hilarious!! in a horrible, sarcastic way..! the MM might have been causing people to quit!
692 2011-03-10 08:18:35 <bxc> i don't really get why people find it antisocial that someone is putting in more mining capacity
693 2011-03-10 08:18:52 <bxc> rather than finding it a technical problem with bitcoin that it is somehow unwelcome
694 2011-03-10 08:19:29 <mmagic> the idea is that the mining equipment itself is 1) at below-cost for the MM, 2) overtaking the network in power. this means that all the work done so far to build it is being kicked over like a sandcastle.
695 2011-03-10 08:20:32 <tcatm> MM is far from overtaking the network...
696 2011-03-10 08:20:52 <BlueMatt> bxc: no one thinks its antisocial, but there are several attacks on the network which depend on large mining power so...
697 2011-03-10 08:21:08 <mmagic> not overtaken. "overtaking", before shutting down anyway.
698 2011-03-10 08:21:18 <mmagic> ;;bc,stats
699 2011-03-10 08:21:20 <gribble> Current Blocks: 112996 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 1915 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 0 days, 6 hours, 34 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 71656.93578257
700 2011-03-10 08:21:28 <mmagic> dropping like a stone.
701 2011-03-10 08:21:32 <mmagic> i'm so *snif* happy..
702 2011-03-10 08:24:36 <farzong> hohohoooo
703 2011-03-10 08:27:11 <[Tycho]> Is there anyone willing to help with pool testing ?
704 2011-03-10 08:27:54 <mmagic> i'm so donating to that address. Hey Tycho, is the graph here: http://bitcoin.atspace.com/mysteryminer.html done by one of the people who tracked down MM?
705 2011-03-10 08:28:13 <[Tycho]> I saw it, yes.
706 2011-03-10 08:29:29 <mmagic> no, i want to donate it and make sure it gets to raulo
707 2011-03-10 08:29:45 <mmagic> it => to it
708 2011-03-10 08:31:10 <[Tycho]> Do you know his address ?
709 2011-03-10 08:32:19 <mmagic> i think i do now. i see it in his sig in the forum. i guess he would be interested in seeing the graph itself as the object of the donation, and since Raulo on the forum posts to the same atspace base URL as the Raulo who posted the graph here, I figure it's a fair bet that the graph's address will probably get to his wallet.
710 2011-03-10 08:33:16 <Aciid> [Tycho]: I can help
711 2011-03-10 08:35:50 <mmagic> 20 btc sounds fair. presumably it was the discovery and analysis of the MM that caused him to cease mining, in which case I believe the return for me specifically will be significant. So, thanks Raulo, wherever you are.
712 2011-03-10 08:36:30 <lfm> I thot it was the new difficulty
713 2011-03-10 08:36:33 <farzong> i have to be up early. fuck fuck
714 2011-03-10 08:37:23 <mmagic> lfm  hm?
715 2011-03-10 08:37:56 <lfm> I thot the ghash/s dropped off cuz of the difficulty jump
716 2011-03-10 08:38:53 <mmagic> no, some douchy mystery miner may have been contributing well in excess of a safe level, and once found out, ceased mining. check it out: http://bitcoin.atspace.com/mysteryminer.html
717 2011-03-10 08:40:09 <lfm> so? I dont see that is "in excess of a safe level"
718 2011-03-10 08:40:44 <mmagic> you do see the red line above the green line there right? :)
719 2011-03-10 08:40:45 <farzong> dude was falsifying work units?
720 2011-03-10 08:40:55 <sipa> no, solving blocks
721 2011-03-10 08:40:56 <mmagic> no, not falsifying, shut up troll.
722 2011-03-10 08:41:30 <farzong> how does one miner have so much throughput
723 2011-03-10 08:41:32 <farzong> do you mean a pool
724 2011-03-10 08:42:53 <farzong> how is performing lots of hashing "unsafe"
725 2011-03-10 08:44:58 <nevezen> because these self-righteous miners want a status quo in terms of mining
726 2011-03-10 08:45:46 <mmagic> lol, no, we are just a little more painfully aware of the possibilities a miner with 50% or > opens up.
727 2011-03-10 08:46:32 <mmagic> i personally would love it if the network legitimately grew that size. but all at once? no.
728 2011-03-10 08:46:43 <farzong> so youre upset he was getting all the gold before you had a chance to create blocks ?
729 2011-03-10 08:47:19 <nevezen> imo, yes, that would be what most people are afraid of
730 2011-03-10 08:48:12 <nevezen> a giant spike would contribute to the difficulty level
731 2011-03-10 08:48:37 <mmagic> no, to the both of you. also, troll denied.
732 2011-03-10 08:48:49 <farzong> i dont think theres a way to prevent a sufficiently powerful miner from entering the fray - unless you resort to a system of trust where "unwelcome" iners are blacklisted by the others
733 2011-03-10 08:49:00 <nevezen> and a giant "hole" would leave the rest of the miners to crunch on the new difficulty level once it arrives
734 2011-03-10 08:49:40 <nevezen> dont think that would happen farzong
735 2011-03-10 08:49:48 <mmagic> hey Raulo: the btc address at the bottom of that great graph is you, right? why is it different from your forum?
736 2011-03-10 08:49:51 <Raulo> mmagic: Yes, it's mine addres and, wow, you are being generous. Thanks
737 2011-03-10 08:49:52 <nevezen> more control, less freedom
738 2011-03-10 08:50:13 <Raulo> I use different addresses to see where the funds come from
739 2011-03-10 08:50:21 <farzong> nevezen: true, but if the miners have a vested interest, they might try to ban the big fish
740 2011-03-10 08:50:34 <mmagic> Raulo: dude, if your analysis is the reason, i'm not being generous enough. I guessed you wanted to see where the funds came from, so I donated to the graph one specifically.
741 2011-03-10 08:50:52 <nevezen> how do you ban an anonymous network? :)
742 2011-03-10 08:50:53 <farzong> tho how would you really know how much hasing power a person controls, since they can use different addresses each time
743 2011-03-10 08:51:06 <Raulo> Nobody knows if the MM stopped activity
744 2011-03-10 08:51:15 <Raulo> He may be back any time
745 2011-03-10 08:51:19 <mmagic> true enough. :)
746 2011-03-10 08:51:24 <sipa> it seems he's quiet now
747 2011-03-10 08:51:34 <Raulo> Or he is doing an alternative blockchain in the meantime :)
748 2011-03-10 08:51:36 <farzong> nevezen: if the entrenched miners suddenly werent creating any new blocks, they would probably have a pow-wow and decide to block signals from the suspicious "mystery" IPs
749 2011-03-10 08:52:05 <nevezen> he/she probably wanted to test a cluster of new amd hd 6690's.. :)
750 2011-03-10 08:52:24 <Raulo> By the way, the MM hashspeed graph is based on his wallet activity: http://blockexplorer.com/address/1PT3YvvKnNqT1513Vs9dZ59eU1gq7xQADc
751 2011-03-10 08:52:44 <Raulo> So the is no amiguity. It was definetly a single entity
752 2011-03-10 08:52:46 <noagendamarket> he will be back im sure
753 2011-03-10 08:52:47 <sipa> nevezen: *750* hd 6990's?
754 2011-03-10 08:53:10 <farzong> cant you determine what IP originated the new block in the announcement.. trace it back to langley
755 2011-03-10 08:53:10 <mmagic> Raulo: either way, the analysis is valuable and making it public is, IMO, one of the best and most democratic ways of strengthening the network..  it's just very cool is all. so even if he comes back, thanks. :)
756 2011-03-10 08:53:13 <nevezen> I don't know sipa :)
757 2011-03-10 08:53:20 <mmagic> and now i'll stop sucking up. :) lol
758 2011-03-10 08:53:56 <nevezen> I dont understand why you want to IP block..
759 2011-03-10 08:54:27 <noagendamarket> farzong lol
760 2011-03-10 08:54:39 <ArtForz> farzong still at it, eh?
761 2011-03-10 08:55:45 <mmagic> yah; i guess i was right about him too. i'm sad it took me 24 minutes to spot him. i guess i'm getting soft and sentimental in my old age.
762 2011-03-10 08:55:59 <mmagic> :-D
763 2011-03-10 08:56:16 <ArtForz> :)
764 2011-03-10 08:56:32 <farzong> are you saying you cant figure out the guy's IP? surely he had to announce the new block to someone at some point
765 2011-03-10 08:56:49 <noagendamarket> maybe ati started mining themselves lol
766 2011-03-10 08:56:52 <farzong> should be pretty trivial
767 2011-03-10 08:57:00 <Raulo> farzong: it may be possible but probably he didn't have an open 8333 port
768 2011-03-10 08:57:04 <noagendamarket> they tested the new cards before shipping
769 2011-03-10 08:57:07 <noagendamarket> :)
770 2011-03-10 08:57:12 <Raulo> Unless he connected to you, there is no way to connect to him
771 2011-03-10 08:57:24 <farzong> Raulo: right, whoever he connected to would've logged it, no?
772 2011-03-10 08:58:03 <farzong> id think most clients would want to keep an audit of intersting events like new blocks
773 2011-03-10 08:58:05 <Raulo> farzong: If he had IP logging anabled, then yes. Standard bitcoin daemon does not log IPs
774 2011-03-10 08:58:11 <farzong> ahh
775 2011-03-10 08:58:37 <Raulo> OK. Gotta go. Bye
776 2011-03-10 08:58:51 <mmagic> bye raulo
777 2011-03-10 08:58:51 <nevezen> best way to kill bitcoin? "contribute" > 50% of network thereby increasing difficulty to the point that mining becomes too dificult?
778 2011-03-10 08:58:56 <farzong> traceroute the ip
779 2011-03-10 08:58:59 <farzong> its probably langley
780 2011-03-10 08:59:23 <farzong> it sounds like the cartel folks are upset that an unknown upstart is taking their precious 50 btc :)
781 2011-03-10 08:59:36 <nevezen> hehe
782 2011-03-10 08:59:47 <mmagic> it amuses me to think you are both the same person.
783 2011-03-10 09:00:14 <nevezen> by cartel, you mean every other miner trying to cash in with a gpgpu cluster? :)
784 2011-03-10 09:00:21 <farzong> nevezen: of course after 21 million miniing is impossible.. so i dont see much diff if minining is impossible at 5 million either
785 2011-03-10 09:00:55 <farzong> nevezen: the handful of folks who have mined most of the gold.. and yes there are a lot of hobbyists and weekenders doing it, but they are not a significant source of blocks
786 2011-03-10 09:01:33 <nevezen> well it's moot anyway
787 2011-03-10 09:01:58 <farzong> but you can see already an attempt to put an end to this "unsafe" mining! the cartel springs into action to defend its centralized control
788 2011-03-10 09:02:15 <farzong> doesnt bode very well
789 2011-03-10 09:02:18 <nevezen> with increasing difficulty already, mining with a 4 year old card is irrelevant..
790 2011-03-10 09:03:19 <nevezen> I guess it was "fun" to see hot bitcoin worked
791 2011-03-10 09:03:30 <nevezen> how~
792 2011-03-10 09:04:16 <Aciid> " the cartel springs into action to defend its centralized control"  ... =D
793 2011-03-10 09:04:32 <farzong> google might have 300,000 cpus... of course their idle time could blow away any small p2p effort
794 2011-03-10 09:04:32 <noagendamarket> what cartel ?
795 2011-03-10 09:04:33 <noagendamarket> lawl
796 2011-03-10 09:04:49 <nevezen> in the lifetime of playing around with bitcoin mining (in a pool), I've scraped about 9 btc so far. :)
797 2011-03-10 09:05:05 <nevezen> hehe
798 2011-03-10 09:05:27 <noagendamarket> unless farzong is the mm  lol
799 2011-03-10 09:06:04 <nevezen> anyway, time to sleep. Detach via irssi to peek in here the next time around
800 2011-03-10 09:06:05 <farzong> someone knows who it is im sure.. theyve traced the IP
801 2011-03-10 09:07:52 <farzong> seti @ home had around 5.2 million participants.. and logged 2 million years of aggregate computing time
802 2011-03-10 09:08:00 <farzong> the largest computation in history
803 2011-03-10 09:08:47 <farzong> it throughput was around half the world fastest supercomputer
804 2011-03-10 09:09:16 <farzong> so even with that massive scale, a govt could rent the fastest supercomputer and take over the chain pretty quickly
805 2011-03-10 09:09:32 <noagendamarket> maybe it was ET  phoning home
806 2011-03-10 09:10:03 <farzong> resistance against meddling by powerful govts wuldnt be feasible without creating a network twice the size of seeti @ home
807 2011-03-10 09:10:18 <noagendamarket> governments just ban it
808 2011-03-10 09:10:25 <farzong> yeah
809 2011-03-10 09:10:25 <noagendamarket> they dont thiunk laterally
810 2011-03-10 09:10:59 <noagendamarket> a government botnet would be comprised of commodore 64's
811 2011-03-10 09:11:32 <noagendamarket> or atari 2600's
812 2011-03-10 09:11:34 <noagendamarket> :)
813 2011-03-10 09:12:09 <farzong> aye
814 2011-03-10 09:12:59 <farzong> if a btc alternative appeared, that potentially threatened btc-1, the miners would attack the network and corrupt the chain
815 2011-03-10 09:13:15 <noagendamarket> lawl
816 2011-03-10 09:13:18 <sipa> right :D
817 2011-03-10 09:14:14 <Aciid> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4307.0
818 2011-03-10 09:14:16 <farzong> unaccompanied miners
819 2011-03-10 09:14:22 <Aciid> the derp is going on that thread
820 2011-03-10 09:14:50 <Aciid> promise btc for tech support, guy without knowledgement comes up and fcksup ones computer
821 2011-03-10 09:15:07 <Aciid> >.>
822 2011-03-10 09:22:28 <Avemo> WYPIWYG what you pay is what you get
823 2011-03-10 09:27:37 <Aciid> hahah
824 2011-03-10 09:27:40 <Aciid> http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/image//skymtl/GPU/HD6990/HD6990-15.jpg
825 2011-03-10 09:28:14 <sipa> ?
826 2011-03-10 09:29:06 <Keefe> ventilate your case well, and you'll probably end up with better cooling than the 5970
827 2011-03-10 09:29:35 <ArtForz> probably not
828 2011-03-10 09:37:04 <Keefe> farzong: as far as i know, we're already 10x more powerful than seti@home
829 2011-03-10 09:38:40 <Keefe> seti has only 500 tflops: http://boincstats.com/stats/project_graph.php?pr=sah
830 2011-03-10 09:38:54 <Keefe> 110 radeon 5970's can do that
831 2011-03-10 09:39:16 <Aciid> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4333.msg63485#msg63485
832 2011-03-10 09:39:28 <Keefe> it would take 1000 5970's to do what all of bitcoin is doing
833 2011-03-10 09:39:28 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,estimate
834 2011-03-10 09:39:29 <gribble> 69438.36512966
835 2011-03-10 09:39:34 <UukGoblin> wow still a drop
836 2011-03-10 09:39:50 <ArtForz> Aciid: wont work
837 2011-03-10 09:40:11 <Aciid> ArtForz: howcome?
838 2011-03-10 09:40:31 <ArtForz> front GPU would get nearly no airflow
839 2011-03-10 09:40:45 <Aciid> oh yeah
840 2011-03-10 09:40:47 <[Tycho]> You'd better make guides to the front of case
841 2011-03-10 09:40:50 <ArtForz> yep
842 2011-03-10 09:40:55 <ArtForz> put intake fan in side panel
843 2011-03-10 09:41:05 <ArtForz> and exhaust at front and back
844 2011-03-10 09:41:41 <ArtForz> with enough space between cards that *should* work
845 2011-03-10 09:47:23 <comboy> hmm, switching front fan to exhaust sousds interesting
846 2011-03-10 09:47:55 <Aciid> well if you dont get your feet warm by other means
847 2011-03-10 09:48:23 <Aciid> that also means that the HDD's will warmup. you can ofcourse use SSD's or ESATA's
848 2011-03-10 09:48:53 <Avemo> now imagine taht you have not 1 case but 20  with 6990's cooling all this with side intake and back and front exaust is going to be lots of fun lol
849 2011-03-10 09:49:20 <ArtForz> yup
850 2011-03-10 09:49:22 <Aciid> just silly, you could warm a house with that
851 2011-03-10 09:49:28 <Aciid> place few in each room
852 2011-03-10 09:49:48 <Aciid> and give people notepads to communicate with, because of the noise
853 2011-03-10 09:49:51 <Avemo> and buy some earplug to everyone
854 2011-03-10 09:50:40 <Aciid> Avemo: whitenoise makes you sleep better
855 2011-03-10 09:50:44 <Aciid> =D
856 2011-03-10 09:51:09 <Avemo> babies too love it, yep
857 2011-03-10 09:51:40 <Aciid> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4351.0
858 2011-03-10 09:55:16 <ArtForz> btw, actually the hardwarecanucks review is wrong
859 2011-03-10 09:55:32 <ArtForz> OCing a 6990 does not increase slot power draw significantly
860 2011-03-10 09:56:31 <ArtForz> slot power is only used for the PCIe bridge and memory, cores are on the 8-pins
861 2011-03-10 09:56:52 <Avemo> for 6990 we would need some plastic guide which takes hot air from the back of the card and guides it to the back of the case, while  a decent fun blows into the back of the card (as with 5970) plus, of course some space between cards (as with 5970 too), basically one plastic mold can solve this problem, here is a biz idea for someone, cost to produce 5-10$ each, will sell for 50-90$ easily
862 2011-03-10 09:57:30 <Avemo> perhaps even one guide per 2 cards
863 2011-03-10 09:57:36 <ArtForz> it wont work
864 2011-03-10 09:57:40 <Avemo> why?
865 2011-03-10 09:57:53 <ArtForz> you're restricting gpu2 exhaust
866 2011-03-10 09:58:04 <Avemo> too weak fun in the card?
867 2011-03-10 09:58:12 <ArtForz> pretty much
868 2011-03-10 09:58:17 <ArtForz> shared fan
869 2011-03-10 09:58:45 <ArtForz> and from what I saw, the air guides in the shroud arent completely around
870 2011-03-10 09:59:19 <ArtForz> so now gpu1 gets a lot more airflow than gpu2, and you now need >= 2 slots space between cards
871 2011-03-10 10:04:07 <Aciid> probably as my picture stated http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4333.msg63485#msg63485
872 2011-03-10 10:04:45 <Aciid> just add http://store.antec.com/Product/cooling-cooling_fan/super-cyclone-blower/0-761345-77194-8.aspx
873 2011-03-10 10:05:17 <Aciid> original 1 slot model http://store.antec.com/Product/cooling-cooling_fan/cyclone-blower/0-761345-77094-1.aspx
874 2011-03-10 10:05:27 <Avemo> nahh... 6990 cooling solution is one bif fail. Aciid, we are going to have to disagree on this one
875 2011-03-10 10:06:35 <ArtForz> 6990 cooling looks pretty much like trying to imitate asus ares and failing
876 2011-03-10 10:07:10 <Aciid> ArtForz: 6990 aint got shit on Ares
877 2011-03-10 10:07:40 <Avemo> Aciid: have you ordered some 6990's ?
878 2011-03-10 10:07:47 <Aciid> no , and I wont
879 2011-03-10 10:07:52 <Aciid> sucks
880 2011-03-10 10:08:04 <Aciid> half of Ares's weight is copper
881 2011-03-10 10:08:12 <ArtForz> yep
882 2011-03-10 10:08:24 <Aciid> http://hothardware.com/articleimages/Item1532/big_asus-ares-breakout.jpg
883 2011-03-10 10:08:43 <Avemo> what, they saved some on copper? with 700$ card? insane
884 2011-03-10 10:09:21 <ArtForz> notice the striking similarity in PCB layout?
885 2011-03-10 10:09:48 <Avemo> yep
886 2011-03-10 10:09:52 <Aciid> http://benchmarkreviews.com/images/reviews/video_cards/Antilles/AMD-Radeon-HD-6990-Heatsink.jpg
887 2011-03-10 10:09:55 <Aciid> WEAK
888 2011-03-10 10:09:57 <Aciid> WEAK
889 2011-03-10 10:10:05 <Aciid> LOOK AT TIT
890 2011-03-10 10:14:30 <Avemo> maybe more space for ati's partners to improve on cooling front, as opposed to just printing a new pretty picture
891 2011-03-10 10:16:24 <sipa> hmm, it seems the default bitcoin client only considers whole transactions spent or not spent
892 2011-03-10 10:17:03 <xelister> Avemo: saved on coper?
893 2011-03-10 10:17:04 <sipa> and always spends all (available) outputs of a transaction, when choosing a particular tx to do a payment
894 2011-03-10 10:17:39 <Aciid> xelister: see the linked pictures
895 2011-03-10 10:17:48 <Aciid> 6990 has aluminium spreadsink
896 2011-03-10 10:17:49 <xelister> I see lots of copper there
897 2011-03-10 10:17:53 <Aciid> copperbase
898 2011-03-10 10:17:58 <xelister> and this?  http://hothardware.com/articleimages/Item1532/big_asus-ares-breakout.jpg
899 2011-03-10 10:18:01 <ArtForz> sipa: err... what?
900 2011-03-10 10:18:17 <ArtForz> 6990 has copper vapor chamber base w/ alu fins
901 2011-03-10 10:18:18 <Aciid> xelister: saved copper on 6990
902 2011-03-10 10:18:41 <Aciid> xelister: they didn't save on ares, since it costs ~$1000
903 2011-03-10 10:19:36 <sipa> ArtForz: SelectCoins returns a list of transactions (not transaction outputs) to use as inputs for a payment
904 2011-03-10 10:20:00 <sipa> and CreateTransaction adds all .IsMine() outputs from that transaction as input to the new one
905 2011-03-10 10:20:18 <Aciid> Ares weights about 2kg
906 2011-03-10 10:20:19 <ArtForz> you're right
907 2011-03-10 10:20:28 <Aciid> and if copper is some 400g of the weight
908 2011-03-10 10:20:46 <sipa> furthermore there is a single flag fSpent on WalletTx's, and nothing stating which outputs are already used
909 2011-03-10 10:21:13 <Aciid> price for 400g of copper 2.89$
910 2011-03-10 10:21:22 <sipa> that's of course kept in CTxIndex's, to be able to detect double spends
911 2011-03-10 10:21:30 <sipa> so, what would happen if:
912 2011-03-10 10:21:54 <sipa> so anyone knows what would happen if you: 1) person A has 100 BTC, 2) person A pays 50 BTC to person B, 3) person A spends the remaining 50 BTC 4) person A imports the key of person B he paid to
913 2011-03-10 10:22:13 <sipa> suddenly he has a spent transaction, which still has an available output
914 2011-03-10 10:23:32 <ArtForz> erm... wouldnt importing a key mean you need to do a rescan anyways?
915 2011-03-10 10:23:46 <sipa> yes
916 2011-03-10 10:24:32 <sipa> it's of course a hypothetical question, because the current code doesn't support importing keys
917 2011-03-10 10:24:56 <ArtForz> yeah... looks like you'd need to fix that for scenarios like that
918 2011-03-10 10:30:35 <UukGoblin> can we get a Wall Street investor buy some bitcoins plz
919 2011-03-10 10:30:42 <UukGoblin> I want the value to go up to $10 already
920 2011-03-10 10:30:45 <UukGoblin> I need my holiday!
921 2011-03-10 10:31:30 <Blitzboom> haha
922 2011-03-10 10:39:41 <Avemo> ;;bc,stats
923 2011-03-10 10:39:43 <gribble> Current Blocks: 113005 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 1906 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 0 days, 16 hours, 36 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 69256.97036153
924 2011-03-10 10:42:45 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,calc 620000
925 2011-03-10 10:42:46 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 620000 Khps, given current difficulty of 76193.9710474 , is 6 days, 2 hours, 37 minutes, and 3 seconds
926 2011-03-10 10:46:22 <BlueMatt> is there a possibility we could get a CACert certificate on www.bitcoin.org, they are free and at least it would stop the ssl errors for some of us...