1 2011-03-13 00:00:53 <luke-jr> fwiw, IPv6 draft-branch now seems to connect and work on testnet
  2 2011-03-13 00:01:09 <luke-jr> doesn't actually use or advertise IPv6 still, but the IPv4 part works again
  3 2011-03-13 00:01:13 <agorist> any ready-to-install osCommerce bitcoin payment modules available out there?
  4 2011-03-13 00:02:38 <jgarzik> genjix: well done, with that exchange.  Bitcoin needs more people like you, putting that level of effort into getting an exchange going.
  5 2011-03-13 00:05:47 <Necr0s> 113337 blocks ;)
  6 2011-03-13 00:05:58 <genjix> jgarzik: thanks :p
  7 2011-03-13 00:06:10 <genjix> i just want to see bitcoin succeed
  8 2011-03-13 00:06:48 <Necr0s> me too
  9 2011-03-13 00:07:00 <Necr0s> I have some software in mind to hopefully help it along.
 10 2011-03-13 00:07:19 <dirtyfilthy> can you send from change transactions immediately? or do they need to be in a block?
 11 2011-03-13 00:07:35 <sipa> you can send immediately from them
 12 2011-03-13 00:07:53 <dirtyfilthy> k, thanks
 13 2011-03-13 00:07:58 <sipa> then both subsequent transactions will be placed (probably) in the same next block
 14 2011-03-13 00:08:33 <jgarzik> genjix: I know it's an unpopular to thing to say, but IMO working /with/ governments to exchange bitcoins is the only way to make bitcoin a success.  That means licensing, where appropriate...
 15 2011-03-13 00:08:50 <xelister> jgarzik: which government?
 16 2011-03-13 00:09:06 <xelister> you are aware USA did not yet invid^H liberated entire world? ;)
 17 2011-03-13 00:10:32 <xelister> well I hope too that this vision of world will not happen
 18 2011-03-13 00:10:39 <xelister> gov regularing everything
 19 2011-03-13 00:10:46 <xelister> can I mine on radeon Sire?
 20 2011-03-13 00:11:08 <xelister> can I kiss my girlfriend and not be tagged pedo, we are both 17 yo, Sire please?
 21 2011-03-13 00:11:16 <xelister> can I have sex with my own wife, Sire?
 22 2011-03-13 00:11:57 <xelister> can I install open source DVD player... oh wait, that already is / will be more  illegal in many cases, with the NEW "improved" ACTA.  Again most of this ideas come from USA.  :<
 23 2011-03-13 00:12:13 <Necr0s> I don't know if I agree with the notion that working/getting in bed with govts is necessary for bc to succeed.
 24 2011-03-13 00:13:14 <xelister> well I dunno
 25 2011-03-13 00:13:22 <Necr0s> Also, think about the definition of success when it comes to bd and its 'mission'...
 26 2011-03-13 00:13:28 <Necr0s> bc
 27 2011-03-13 00:13:37 <xelister> in USA the government *literraly* can fuck you over in the ass =)  and you have to /bend over/ for the government(*)
 28 2011-03-13 00:13:46 <phantomcircuit> I started to write a script interpreter
 29 2011-03-13 00:13:46 <xelister> (*) represented by uneducated idiots from TSA
 30 2011-03-13 00:13:52 <phantomcircuit> and then stopped when i wanted to scream
 31 2011-03-13 00:14:36 <xelister> btw anyone in this channel (that is reading now ;)  thinks in USA people do have still really liberty?
 32 2011-03-13 00:14:54 <dirtyfilthy> phantomcircuit: eh it's not that bad
 33 2011-03-13 00:15:21 <agorist> usa, land of the slaves!
 34 2011-03-13 00:15:29 <agorist> bitcoin to teh rescue!
 35 2011-03-13 00:15:51 <Necr0s> Sure, we have liberty*.  (*void where prohibited, some restrictions apply)
 36 2011-03-13 00:16:00 <agorist> oh yea xelister? with how many btcs
 37 2011-03-13 00:16:20 <Necr0s> So right now you can kind of sell your CPU/GPU power in exchange for bitcoins, although that's artificial.
 38 2011-03-13 00:16:43 <Necr0s> I'm imaging software that lets you sell your storage and bandwidth in exchange for bitcoins.
 39 2011-03-13 00:16:59 <Necr0s> And use bitcoins to purchase these services from those offering them.
 40 2011-03-13 00:17:07 <xelister> Necr0s: it already exists o/
 41 2011-03-13 00:17:19 <Necr0s> cool.
 42 2011-03-13 00:18:24 <Necr0s> What I envision would be a bit different though.  Much more of a turnkey solution, all peer-to-peer based.
 43 2011-03-13 00:18:41 <Necr0s> So you wouldn't have to manually set up and manage hosting such, all you'd do is run the software.
 44 2011-03-13 00:19:22 <xelister> cloud computing 4 btc?
 45 2011-03-13 00:19:47 <Necr0s> sloud storage anyway.
 46 2011-03-13 00:19:50 <Necr0s> BitFS.
 47 2011-03-13 00:20:08 <Necr0s> Using bitcoin + bittorrent
 48 2011-03-13 00:21:37 <Necr0s> You run the software, set the amount of your storage/bandwidth resources you wish to offer for sale (if any), and the price you wish to ask for those.
 49 2011-03-13 00:22:53 <xelister> or freenet
 50 2011-03-13 00:23:25 <Necr0s> You can also set a target number of replicated copies of data you publish, and manage the funding to maintain that number.
 51 2011-03-13 00:25:01 <xelister> also in freenet =)
 52 2011-03-13 00:25:26 <Necr0s> You can run a few nodes yourself, and set them up to all support each other (offer those nodes unlimited resources when requested)
 53 2011-03-13 00:26:18 <Necr0s> Well, rather than support for each other specifially, it would be support for any content published with your signature.
 54 2011-03-13 00:28:13 <subpar> freenet
 55 2011-03-13 00:28:16 <phantomcircuit> dirtyfilthy, it really is
 56 2011-03-13 00:28:57 <xelister> all technology is what people use it to be
 57 2011-03-13 00:29:07 <genjix> freenet is cool
 58 2011-03-13 00:29:14 <xelister> e.g. dynamite - war (usafags) or producing coal, gold etc (miners)
 59 2011-03-13 00:29:44 <xelister> computers - machines to calculate jews (hitler/IBM) or calculatprs, games, etc
 60 2011-03-13 00:29:57 <xelister> paper glue - paper glue, or narcotic ;)  etc
 61 2011-03-13 00:30:01 <Necr0s> The same goes for any kind of power.
 62 2011-03-13 00:30:10 <xelister> and for butter knife
 63 2011-03-13 00:30:15 <Necr0s> Be it technological, military, magical, whatever.
 64 2011-03-13 00:30:21 <xelister> USA 2067. OMG you have a PENIS? that is illegal, you rapist.
 65 2011-03-13 00:31:16 <xelister> BurtyB: freenet is more secure network that exist nowdays.  It can rather slow still, but tollerable.  Talking (boards,messages - Frost,FMS,Freetalk - post something, and check back day later for replies)
 66 2011-03-13 00:31:41 <xelister> downloading files 100 mb - 700 mb  (recently posted/still 'seeded' files) - start download, and you have it in 1..7 days typically
 67 2011-03-13 00:31:57 <xelister> opening a html page (freenet page) - 0.5 .. 10 minutes
 68 2011-03-13 00:32:08 <xelister> *most secure
 69 2011-03-13 00:32:43 <xelister> freenetproject.org installation is 5 minutes - just grap file and execute.  #freenet exists here but wait for re
 70 2011-03-13 00:33:11 <BurtyB> xelister so basically it's still not much better than it was years go
 71 2011-03-13 00:34:28 <xelister> well, is there other network to fully secure and UNCENSORABLE share files as FAST? or at all?
 72 2011-03-13 00:34:51 <xelister> tor -> get the .onion server [admin], and its gone.
 73 2011-03-13 00:34:55 <xelister> i2p -> like tor
 74 2011-03-13 00:34:56 <xelister> others?
 75 2011-03-13 00:36:19 <xelister> if USA would attempt to censor informaiton about it war crimes, it can go asfter DNSes, Amazon hosting, after TOR .onion site... but about Freenet its powerless (unless destroying all 20,000 computers all over the world) the info will stay uncensored no matter what
 76 2011-03-13 00:37:57 <blarzong> can you do audio / video encoding like uencode.com with GPUs?
 77 2011-03-13 00:39:27 <Necr0s> I would think so.
 78 2011-03-13 00:39:40 <Necr0s> I don't know what you mean about uencode.com tho, I dunno what that is.
 79 2011-03-13 00:40:03 <blarzong> video encoding service
 80 2011-03-13 00:40:04 <xelister> blarzong: yeah there are some accelerators using GPUs afair
 81 2011-03-13 00:40:28 <blarzong> i c
 82 2011-03-13 00:40:48 <Necr0s> I use vlc for my transcoding needs, and it seems to perform well enough for me just using the CPU.
 83 2011-03-13 00:41:10 <ArtForz> yes
 84 2011-03-13 00:41:20 <xelister> btw
 85 2011-03-13 00:41:27 <ArtForz> it's not trivial, but you can use GPGPU to speed up video encoding
 86 2011-03-13 00:41:28 <xelister> which version of CUDA is needed to have OpenCL working?
 87 2011-03-13 00:41:37 <ArtForz> same thing goes for video decoding
 88 2011-03-13 00:41:45 <Necr0s> I guess if you wanted to do a whole lot of encoding, like dozens of streams in parallel on one machine, using GPUs could be win.
 89 2011-03-13 00:41:50 <xelister> or, is since which version does nvidia support OpenCL at all (as needed for bitcoin)
 90 2011-03-13 00:42:19 <xelister> since which model
 91 2011-03-13 00:42:37 <ArtForz> xelister: I think 8xxx series
 92 2011-03-13 00:42:53 <blarzong> interesting
 93 2011-03-13 00:42:55 <ArtForz> and for the driver, no clue, I think you still need some special beta dev driver for OCL support
 94 2011-03-13 00:42:59 <xelister> so all 9xxx and all 2xx will support OpenCL ?
 95 2011-03-13 00:43:09 <ArtForz> I think so
 96 2011-03-13 00:43:13 <xelister> e.g. noraml diablominer would run fine?
 97 2011-03-13 00:43:20 <blarzong> i think hedge funds do a lot of pricing algorithms, but they use cpu clusters.GPUs would probably be more efficient
 98 2011-03-13 00:43:26 <xelister> because I have few a bit older boxes... ok, so I will probably try it
 99 2011-03-13 00:43:57 <xelister> blarzong: really there is so much calculations in economics?? I would think onlly scientific and 3d rendering needs that (and pwd cracking etc)
100 2011-03-13 00:43:58 <ArtForz> btw, using GPGPU for video stuff is kinda wasteful, most modern GPUs have dedicated hadrware to speed up the costly parts of decoding and usually encoding, too...
101 2011-03-13 00:44:17 <ArtForz> problem is, thanks to DRM bullshit no manufacturer can release specs on that
102 2011-03-13 00:44:35 <xelister> heeeey ArtForz
103 2011-03-13 00:44:36 <xelister> you terrorist.
104 2011-03-13 00:45:13 <ArtForz> yeah
105 2011-03-13 00:45:21 <xelister> that reminds me
106 2011-03-13 00:45:32 <subpar> OK - I have goofed up my savings wallet it seems
107 2011-03-13 00:45:50 <ArtForz> evil terrrists trying to steal the precious eyepee
108 2011-03-13 00:46:03 <xelister> most funny guy I ment on irc here,  he claims he runs TOR and Freenet node "for freedom for buys like in Lybia"  but also he says USA gov is good and fair and liberal, and people should refrain from serious crimes like copyright/drm
109 2011-03-13 00:46:33 <ArtForz> I wouldnt call drm a serious crime, more like a major consumer and developer inconvenience *ducks*
110 2011-03-13 00:46:40 <xelister> also he says he runs Freenet but doesnt use it himself, and yet he posts there (FMS) hah.  And I though nodes operators are more of elite.
111 2011-03-13 00:46:58 <subpar> can't I just copy my wallet.dat to a new bitcoin install?
112 2011-03-13 00:47:08 <ArtForz> subpar: err... yes.
113 2011-03-13 00:47:13 <xelister> subpar: can. backup it frist. with node not running
114 2011-03-13 00:47:17 <ArtForz> yep
115 2011-03-13 00:47:20 <xelister> also
116 2011-03-13 00:47:26 <xelister> send the wallet first to me
117 2011-03-13 00:47:29 <xelister> I will check if it is correct
118 2011-03-13 00:47:34 <subpar> ;-)
119 2011-03-13 00:47:35 <xelister> for free O_o< LOL
120 2011-03-13 00:47:43 <ArtForz> and it seems -rescan can still miss some stuff, so better let it redownload the chain
121 2011-03-13 00:47:55 <subpar> I started a client - made a wallet.dat for my savings
122 2011-03-13 00:47:59 <nanotube> for free * <smallprint>not including the stolen wallet balance</smallprint>
123 2011-03-13 00:48:00 <nanotube> hehe
124 2011-03-13 00:48:10 <ArtForz> I think at least one guy complained about that on the forums
125 2011-03-13 00:48:16 <subpar> and hadn't used it - put the wallet.dat in a turecrypt volume
126 2011-03-13 00:48:41 <subpar> it has the current blockchain and shows a balance of 0
127 2011-03-13 00:48:51 <subpar> using the windows client
128 2011-03-13 00:49:00 <ArtForz> huh. weird.
129 2011-03-13 00:49:14 <subpar> yeah - figured I musta goofed somewhere along the line
130 2011-03-13 00:49:39 <ArtForz> the "always works" option, start with a empty datadir, put *only* wallet in there, fire up client, let it download chain
131 2011-03-13 00:50:01 <ArtForz> if that doesnt work, the wallet is majorly b0rked
132 2011-03-13 00:50:32 <ArtForz> if you already have a block chain in data dir, -rescan might or might not pick up all transactions
133 2011-03-13 00:50:59 <subpar> yeah - I copied the block chain from my bitcoind client on a linux box
134 2011-03-13 00:51:14 <subpar> stopped the client first, of course
135 2011-03-13 00:51:20 <ArtForz> yeah
136 2011-03-13 00:51:25 <subpar> err daemon
137 2011-03-13 00:51:33 <ArtForz> usually it should pick up everything by stzarting with -rescan
138 2011-03-13 00:51:41 <subpar> OK - will follow your instructions ArtForz - thanks
139 2011-03-13 00:52:46 <Necr0s> Yeah, I didn't have luck transferring the block chain from one client to another by copying the files.
140 2011-03-13 00:52:56 <nanotube> ArtForz: does deleting just the index cause it to reindex the chain?
141 2011-03-13 00:53:01 <nanotube> i thought that was the case...
142 2011-03-13 00:53:09 <ArtForz> nanotube: I think I tried that, didnt work
143 2011-03-13 00:53:18 <Necr0s> So I haaxed my router to force the one client to connect to the other and get the chain from it.
144 2011-03-13 00:53:23 <ArtForz> died with some really funny errors
145 2011-03-13 00:53:31 <ArtForz> Necr0s: thats what -connect is for ;)
146 2011-03-13 00:53:38 <nanotube> ArtForz: mmm ic...
147 2011-03-13 00:53:39 <Necr0s> I didn't know of more elegant ways at the time.
148 2011-03-13 00:53:49 <ArtForz> -connect=my.other.nodes.ip
149 2011-03-13 00:53:56 <ArtForz> and it will only connect to that one node
150 2011-03-13 00:54:17 <subpar> ok - haven't used commandline on windows much - more with linux
151 2011-03-13 00:54:38 <Necr0s> Yeah, I had iptables -I PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 8333 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.23.foo
152 2011-03-13 00:54:40 <Necr0s> h4x
153 2011-03-13 00:54:47 <subpar> so just put the wallet.dat in the data dir for now
154 2011-03-13 00:57:06 <Necr0s_> speaking of windows commandline...
155 2011-03-13 00:57:12 <Necr0s_> Are there any command-line tools available for windows to check GPU temperatures?
156 2011-03-13 00:59:32 <subpar> ArtForz: -rescan got it
157 2011-03-13 00:59:50 <subpar> thks for that
158 2011-03-13 01:08:16 <genjix> who owns biddingpond.com?
159 2011-03-13 01:13:44 <blarzong> ZhuZhu
160 2011-03-13 01:14:00 <agorist> lol?
161 2011-03-13 01:20:09 <nanotube> genjix: the biddingpond guy. :) he has an account on the OTC wot
162 2011-03-13 01:54:04 <Spenvo> just put up custom bitcoin product search on my site if anyone wants to try it - tell me if there are bugs
163 2011-03-13 01:54:18 <Spenvo> aside from looking terrible
164 2011-03-13 01:57:29 <Spenvo> anybody home?
165 2011-03-13 02:05:55 <luke-jr> Spenvo: which is?
166 2011-03-13 02:06:14 <Spenvo> www.bitcoinbulletin.com
167 2011-03-13 02:06:37 <Spenvo> the thought being if you type i want a laptop for bitcoins on google, the results suck hard
168 2011-03-13 02:17:21 <luke-jr> Spenvo: know where I can get cellular service with bitcoins?
169 2011-03-13 02:17:53 <Spenvo> haha, nope, but if you use the wishlist we'll email you when we've found one!
170 2011-03-13 02:18:51 <luke-jr> :P
171 2011-03-13 02:20:17 <Spenvo> yeah, nobody uses the wishlist.  it'll probably be taken down soon
172 2011-03-13 03:16:58 <mizerydearia> Can anyone help to provide feedback/discussion on http://meta.witcoin.com/p/406/Thread-creators-dont-get-a-share-of-all-the-activity-in-a-thread-they-start?  If not directly at the site (in case 0.00000001 bitcoins is too expensive), then in #witcoin?
173 2011-03-13 03:21:35 <Diablo-D3> mizerydearia: thats too complex.
174 2011-03-13 03:21:46 <Diablo-D3> either allow it or dont, we dont need a checkbox.
175 2011-03-13 03:21:54 <Diablo-D3> and my god that site is ugly
176 2011-03-13 03:22:08 <mizerydearia> you can thank tcatm ^_^
177 2011-03-13 03:23:27 <mizerydearia> I offered to him distribution of site profits for design assistance
178 2011-03-13 03:28:16 <luke-jr> mizerydearia: imo, nobody will share when given the option
179 2011-03-13 03:28:49 <Diablo-D3> and yeah
180 2011-03-13 03:28:54 <Diablo-D3> it should just automatically share
181 2011-03-13 03:29:34 <Diablo-D3> it should be
182 2011-03-13 03:29:37 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: then you can't criticize things
183 2011-03-13 03:29:44 <Diablo-D3> guy who starts topic gets part of profits, +/-
184 2011-03-13 03:29:55 <Diablo-D3> he gets part of profits of any response, +/-
185 2011-03-13 03:30:04 <luke-jr> mizerydearia: it shouldn't be part of YOUR profits
186 2011-03-13 03:30:11 <Diablo-D3> and then if someone responds to a response, the parent response gets part of the profits, +/-
187 2011-03-13 03:30:19 <Diablo-D3> if someone's thread local shit becomes negative
188 2011-03-13 03:30:21 <Diablo-D3> they get nothing
189 2011-03-13 03:30:33 <Diablo-D3> so if a thread suddenly goes south, everybody suffers
190 2011-03-13 03:30:44 <luke-jr> mizerydearia: you should choose whether X amount goes to the head, stays with witcoin, or goes to a "delete head" fund
191 2011-03-13 03:30:45 <Diablo-D3> ie, "this thread is bad and you should feel bad"
192 2011-03-13 03:30:52 <Diablo-D3> NOW
193 2011-03-13 03:30:57 <Diablo-D3> you also factor in karma
194 2011-03-13 03:31:06 <Diablo-D3> user karma would also control how much profit goes upstream
195 2011-03-13 03:31:19 <Diablo-D3> people with high karma can offset their thread local profit
196 2011-03-13 03:31:30 <Diablo-D3> people with negative karma offset their damage to other users in the thread
197 2011-03-13 03:31:41 <Diablo-D3> so people who make good responses constantly profit
198 2011-03-13 03:31:59 <Diablo-D3> people who make bad responses constantly dont profit and dont harm the profits of others
199 2011-03-13 03:32:02 <Diablo-D3> and nobody _loses_
200 2011-03-13 03:32:15 <Diablo-D3> no one is outright punished
201 2011-03-13 03:32:17 <Diablo-D3> they just dont profit
202 2011-03-13 03:32:23 <Diablo-D3> and they dont stop others from profiting
203 2011-03-13 03:35:49 <noagendamarket> first we need user karma :)
204 2011-03-13 03:35:53 <mizerydearia> hmm
205 2011-03-13 03:36:22 <mizerydearia> <Diablo-D3> if someone's thread local shit becomes negative --- How to determine this?
206 2011-03-13 03:36:39 <mizerydearia> there is no downvoting
207 2011-03-13 03:37:10 <noagendamarket> downvoting syndrome
208 2011-03-13 03:37:54 <noagendamarket> the faucet should get downvoting profits :)
209 2011-03-13 03:38:37 <noagendamarket> the witcoin faucet ...
210 2011-03-13 03:38:56 <Diablo-D3> mizerydearia: no downvoting at all?!
211 2011-03-13 03:38:58 <Diablo-D3> srsly?!
212 2011-03-13 03:39:00 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
213 2011-03-13 03:39:01 <Diablo-D3> wtf.
214 2011-03-13 03:39:02 <gribble> Current Blocks: 113350 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 1560 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 4 hours, 4 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 67953.00550598
215 2011-03-13 03:39:11 <Diablo-D3> [11:35:48] <noagendamarket> first we need user karma :)
216 2011-03-13 03:39:23 <Diablo-D3> thats just the weighted sum of all their postings
217 2011-03-13 03:39:33 <Diablo-D3> ie, if the thread did well, their posts in that thread weigh more
218 2011-03-13 03:40:10 <mizerydearia> Diablo-D3, How would you suggest to implement downvoting?  Say, for example if I post something and then have 0.00000000 witcoins left.  If my post is downvoted (which has a cost associated with it, that is paid by the user that downvoted), then what happens?
219 2011-03-13 03:40:41 <Diablo-D3> mizerydearia: thread local witcoin balance
220 2011-03-13 03:40:44 <Diablo-D3> you can never go negative
221 2011-03-13 03:41:13 <Diablo-D3> this is just earnings AFTER you paid to post
222 2011-03-13 03:41:17 <noagendamarket> we have a faucet that distributes negative votes...
223 2011-03-13 03:41:20 <Diablo-D3> you cant lose money for posting a bad post
224 2011-03-13 03:41:40 <Diablo-D3> it shouldnt cost anything to downvote either
225 2011-03-13 03:41:49 <mizerydearia> then what if I downvote everything?
226 2011-03-13 03:41:56 <Diablo-D3> mizerydearia: nothing
227 2011-03-13 03:42:01 <Diablo-D3> because you have global karma offset
228 2011-03-13 03:42:34 <Diablo-D3> so if the average post score is, say, -1, a brand new post is offset to a human view of 1.
229 2011-03-13 03:47:55 <luke-jr> so has anyone seen MagicalTux since the big wave?
230 2011-03-13 03:49:31 <da2ce7> yep, he said that he was 'ok'
231 2011-03-13 03:49:40 <Diablo-D3> ahh good
232 2011-03-13 03:51:24 <noagendamarket> he posted in the chan here
233 2011-03-13 03:52:14 <Diablo-D3> I just had a funny idea
234 2011-03-13 03:52:39 <Diablo-D3> I could accept openid for my pool
235 2011-03-13 03:54:13 <defaced> what is this witcoin we speak of
236 2011-03-13 03:54:17 <noagendamarket> you could have facebook connect  then marc suckerburg could steal all the user names
237 2011-03-13 03:54:42 <Diablo-D3> noagendamarket: facebook connect is inherently broken
238 2011-03-13 03:54:49 <Diablo-D3> theres no way to use it in a non-browser context
239 2011-03-13 03:55:03 <defaced> curl
240 2011-03-13 03:55:22 <Diablo-D3> defaced: thats not what I meant
241 2011-03-13 03:55:32 <defaced> oh sorry
242 2011-03-13 03:55:34 <Diablo-D3> http is perfectly fine for application apis
243 2011-03-13 03:55:40 <defaced> yea
244 2011-03-13 03:55:44 <Diablo-D3> the problem is, theres no way to feed a key to the app
245 2011-03-13 03:55:48 <defaced> hmm
246 2011-03-13 03:56:00 <Diablo-D3> with openid I can authenticate and produce keys for any kind of app
247 2011-03-13 03:56:36 <defaced> ping.fm might be another to look into, i know their auth api is cake
248 2011-03-13 03:56:39 <defaced> twitter aswell
249 2011-03-13 03:56:39 <Diablo-D3> (although sometimes this involves going to a website in my browser and downloading/copy pasting the key)
250 2011-03-13 03:56:46 <Diablo-D3> twitter uses oauth
251 2011-03-13 03:56:49 <defaced> yea
252 2011-03-13 03:57:08 <defaced> well, some of twitter does, their are a few functions that use their old api
253 2011-03-13 03:57:11 <Diablo-D3> oauth is just a specific way of using openid
254 2011-03-13 03:57:25 <Diablo-D3> although Im somewhat glossing it over
255 2011-03-13 03:57:40 <defaced> i dont know if twitter fixed those loopholes yet though
256 2011-03-13 03:57:41 <Diablo-D3> but what Im saying is
257 2011-03-13 03:57:50 <Diablo-D3> facebook connect has no way of doing this
258 2011-03-13 03:58:01 <defaced> dang that sucks.
259 2011-03-13 03:58:01 <Diablo-D3> its all based around session cookies
260 2011-03-13 03:58:19 <noagendamarket> create a facebook app that mines for you...
261 2011-03-13 03:58:23 <Diablo-D3> even if I exported the cookie from the browser and fed it to my app, it still wont work because its attached to the session
262 2011-03-13 03:58:25 <Diablo-D3> also
263 2011-03-13 03:58:30 <defaced> yup
264 2011-03-13 03:58:30 <Diablo-D3> facebook sucks udder dick
265 2011-03-13 03:58:45 <defaced> cookie and session control. damn if that isnt paranoid
266 2011-03-13 04:05:15 <genjix> Diablo-D3: do you know if contact/email is a required field in OpenID?
267 2011-03-13 04:05:20 <genjix> is is it optional
268 2011-03-13 04:06:21 <genjix> i think maybe it's optional and you're expected to use the value if it exists to prefill the email input for the user.
269 2011-03-13 04:06:36 <genjix> not sure tho
270 2011-03-13 04:09:18 <da2ce7> http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/japan-quake-2011/beforeafter.htm
271 2011-03-13 04:13:24 <Diablo-D3> genjix: openid doesnt work that way
272 2011-03-13 04:14:59 <Diablo-D3> genjix: you have to supply whatever the openid provider requires
273 2011-03-13 04:15:15 <Diablo-D3> so, for example, if you wish to authenticate using your google account, obviously you need a google account first
274 2011-03-13 04:22:20 <Diablo-D3> genjix: theres openid providers who take shit like smartcards and penis readers that read the unique blood vessle layout of your ballsack
275 2011-03-13 04:23:52 <Diablo-D3> oh this is nifty
276 2011-03-13 04:23:56 <Diablo-D3> facebook also allows openid
277 2011-03-13 04:24:31 <genjix> the openid spec allows certain parameters
278 2011-03-13 04:25:10 <genjix> called AX schema
279 2011-03-13 04:25:30 <Diablo-D3> genjix: yeah but
280 2011-03-13 04:25:37 <Diablo-D3> what Im saying is
281 2011-03-13 04:25:41 <Diablo-D3> it requires whatever the provider requires
282 2011-03-13 04:25:42 <genjix> basically you get attribute and one common one i see everywhere is "contact/email"
283 2011-03-13 04:25:50 <Diablo-D3> so if you have to have a device on your desk, and you have to stick your erect dick into it
284 2011-03-13 04:25:55 <Diablo-D3> then I say, fuck it
285 2011-03-13 04:25:58 <genjix> wat
286 2011-03-13 04:26:22 <genjix> ok i got my dick. now what
287 2011-03-13 04:29:03 <Diablo-D3> I think you missed the point
288 2011-03-13 04:34:33 <henux> hello. i was thinking of developing a webapp which would contain an open database of email -> bitcoin address mapping. do you think this would be of any real use? it would also have a some kind of API which other apps could use
289 2011-03-13 04:35:11 <Diablo-D3> so, basically, a form of DNS.
290 2011-03-13 04:35:49 <henux> yes
291 2011-03-13 04:36:01 <Diablo-D3> the idea isnt new, and I think everyone who tried it bailed out
292 2011-03-13 04:36:17 <henux> the db might also allow metadata to be attached, like website address etc.
293 2011-03-13 04:36:27 <henux> maybe even images
294 2011-03-13 04:36:41 <Diablo-D3> I imagine a lot of people wouldn't use it
295 2011-03-13 04:36:44 <luke-jr> henux: genjix already has a standard underway
296 2011-03-13 04:36:52 <Diablo-D3> orly?
297 2011-03-13 04:36:56 <henux> luke-jr: what kind of?
298 2011-03-13 04:37:02 <luke-jr> henux: the obvious flaw in your idea, is giving the same address to more than 1 person
299 2011-03-13 04:37:15 <luke-jr> it's on the dev forum
300 2011-03-13 04:37:16 <henux> yeah
301 2011-03-13 04:37:44 <luke-jr> genjix's implementation, allows for any domain to host a simple PHP script that gives a new address each time and records comments
302 2011-03-13 04:38:16 <Diablo-D3> ahh see
303 2011-03-13 04:38:20 <Diablo-D3> php is automatically fail
304 2011-03-13 04:38:26 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: stfu troll
305 2011-03-13 04:38:31 <luke-jr> it could be any kind of script
306 2011-03-13 04:38:39 <henux> luke-jr: i dont understand how that relates to the DNS idea
307 2011-03-13 04:38:56 <Diablo-D3> you know, I dont see how me being one of the few coders actually getting shit done for bitcoin makes me a troll
308 2011-03-13 04:39:05 <Diablo-D3> I dont see _you_ coding anything of value, luke-jr
309 2011-03-13 04:39:15 <Diablo-D3> or ANYTHING, even of no value
310 2011-03-13 04:39:29 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: because you don't pay attention, idiot
311 2011-03-13 04:39:46 <luke-jr> henux: there is no mapping of people to addresses
312 2011-03-13 04:39:57 <luke-jr> henux: every transaction generally has a new address
313 2011-03-13 04:40:02 <luke-jr> so DNS really *cannot* work
314 2011-03-13 04:40:19 <henux> i was under the impression that each user has his own bitcoin addr
315 2011-03-13 04:40:25 <noagendamarket> no
316 2011-03-13 04:40:33 <luke-jr> henux: no, each user has thousands of addr
317 2011-03-13 04:40:36 <henux> i certainly have mine
318 2011-03-13 04:40:36 <noagendamarket> that would suck
319 2011-03-13 04:40:37 <nanotube> henux: everyone can have an unlimited number of addresses.
320 2011-03-13 04:40:39 <luke-jr> one for each transaction usually
321 2011-03-13 04:40:42 <henux> oh right
322 2011-03-13 04:40:42 <nanotube> and generally does.
323 2011-03-13 04:40:59 <luke-jr> because otherwise, it's impossible to tell who sent the bitcoins
324 2011-03-13 04:41:02 <noagendamarket> "here is my only bitcoin address government "
325 2011-03-13 04:41:16 <henux> okay so my concept is therefore a failure
326 2011-03-13 04:41:31 <luke-jr> henux: using DNS, yes
327 2011-03-13 04:41:36 <luke-jr> henux: using HTTP, it's workable
328 2011-03-13 04:41:39 <noagendamarket> someone might have 1 address they use for it
329 2011-03-13 04:41:50 <noagendamarket> not their only address...
330 2011-03-13 04:41:51 <luke-jr> the URI just needs to have a script generating a new address and noting who it's for
331 2011-03-13 04:42:19 <henux> what is the difference of mapping addresses to URIs instead of emails?
332 2011-03-13 04:42:56 <luke-jr> &
333 2011-03-13 04:43:08 <luke-jr> the URI is used to lookup the "email"
334 2011-03-13 04:43:15 <luke-jr> the webserver runs your script
335 2011-03-13 04:43:21 <luke-jr> the script creates a new address each time
336 2011-03-13 04:43:30 <henux> ok
337 2011-03-13 04:43:35 <luke-jr> the script also adds it to a database, with a comment who it's from
338 2011-03-13 04:44:34 <henux> i guess i will have to think something else then
339 2011-03-13 04:45:57 <luke-jr> henux: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Wallet_protocol needs work
340 2011-03-13 04:50:00 <henux> that may not be what i was looking for
341 2011-03-13 05:31:29 <dirtyfilthy> hey has anybody had a problem with mtgox & mybitcoin not accepting addresses that the client has generated
342 2011-03-13 05:32:09 <theymos> Maybe they're applying some incorrect length limit.
343 2011-03-13 05:32:47 <dirtyfilthy> this was the address: 1GfwfvJmPRGkrHFGDg3ri13UoqRvkvGWPT
344 2011-03-13 05:33:37 <dirtyfilthy> i generated a new one and then it worked fine
345 2011-03-13 05:33:38 <FellowTraveler> hi all
346 2011-03-13 05:34:31 <lfm> works fine
347 2011-03-13 05:34:40 <lfm> you copied it wrong?
348 2011-03-13 05:35:15 <dirtyfilthy> eh it wasn't me someone was trying to send me bitcoins so i guess maybe
349 2011-03-13 05:35:21 <theymos> That length is normal. Maybe their bitcoind died as they were asking it to validate.
350 2011-03-13 05:42:35 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
351 2011-03-13 05:42:37 <gribble> Current Blocks: 113362 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 1549 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 2 hours, and 26 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 68003.57458397
352 2011-03-13 05:44:17 <Necr0s_> ;;bc,calc 1000000
353 2011-03-13 05:44:18 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 76193.9710474 , is 3 days, 18 hours, 54 minutes, and 10 seconds
354 2011-03-13 05:46:54 <dirtyfilthy> lfm: was that worked fine in mtgox?
355 2011-03-13 05:47:28 <lfm> naw, just local bicoicn, the address is fine
356 2011-03-13 05:47:50 <dirtyfilthy> ah ok. did you send me 0.01? give me address and i'll send it back
357 2011-03-13 05:49:42 <lfm> ok now I send a cent from mtgox. it seemed to work fine
358 2011-03-13 05:49:54 <dirtyfilthy> ok thanks
359 2011-03-13 05:52:18 <mizerydearia> Diablo-D3, btw, you mentioned witcoin is ugly.  In what way do you consider it ugly?
360 2011-03-13 05:54:20 <mizerydearia> I agree.  The colors are not so awesome in a fashionable way.
361 2011-03-13 06:00:34 <dirtyfilthy> needs graphic designer
362 2011-03-13 06:01:40 <theymos> For the addr message here ( https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_specification#addr ), I'm hashing 01e2...208d, but I get ed52..ed5c after two SHA-256s. What am I doing wrong?
363 2011-03-13 06:04:28 <genjix> mizerydearia: i think it's fine.
364 2011-03-13 06:04:31 <genjix> looks good
365 2011-03-13 06:04:43 <genjix> this is my WIP site, http://fishysnax.com/intersango/
366 2011-03-13 06:05:40 <genjix> hey mizerydearia i have 2 suggestions
367 2011-03-13 06:06:12 <genjix> or 3
368 2011-03-13 06:06:34 <genjix> quick before i forget (funny people, futaba + category-- note to myself)
369 2011-03-13 06:08:16 <dirtyfilthy> theymos: hmm i just did it and got the same thing
370 2011-03-13 06:08:27 <nanotube> theymos: it doesn't seem like the addr message actually involves any hashing.... ?
371 2011-03-13 06:09:32 <dirtyfilthy> checksum?
372 2011-03-13 06:10:11 <theymos> Yes, it's the checksum. The hash is correct, but it's different than the one in the message. I must be hashing the wrong data, or Bitcoin uses some unusual byte ordering for this.
373 2011-03-13 06:10:44 <nanotube> mm the spec doesn't actually say what /type/ of checksum it is?
374 2011-03-13 06:10:49 <nanotube> maybe it's not even sha256?
375 2011-03-13 06:10:54 <dirtyfilthy> yeh it is
376 2011-03-13 06:10:55 <nanotube> or is that described elsewhere in the document
377 2011-03-13 06:11:34 <theymos> In the code it uses the Hash function, which does double-SHA-256. It looks pretty straightforward in the code. I can't imagine what I'm doing wrong.
378 2011-03-13 06:12:01 <nanotube> ah mm
379 2011-03-13 06:12:34 <lfm> theymos: depending on exactly what you're doing sometimes you have to do a byteswap between the two sha256. I guess Id have to see more details
380 2011-03-13 06:13:14 <theymos> Hmm... I never tried byteswapping between the iterations.
381 2011-03-13 06:14:32 <theymos> Nope, that doesn't seem to be it.
382 2011-03-13 06:14:37 <genjix> just checking: max bitcoin address is 44 characters, right?
383 2011-03-13 06:14:45 <theymos> Right.
384 2011-03-13 06:14:54 <genjix> thanks
385 2011-03-13 06:15:35 <lfm> genjix: not always 44 nope, sometimes different
386 2011-03-13 06:15:45 <genjix> ofc, but 44 is MAX
387 2011-03-13 06:15:46 <lfm> oh max I spoze ya
388 2011-03-13 06:15:55 <genjix> yep thanks
389 2011-03-13 06:19:32 <nanotube> mm well fwiw, i'm getting ed52... as well. heh. :) what part of the resulting hash is the checksum supposed to be?
390 2011-03-13 06:19:59 <dirtyfilthy> first 4 bytes
391 2011-03-13 06:20:11 <theymos> Here's my PHP checksum code: http://pastebin.com/ZyhLra7T , here's ArtForz's Python checksum code: http://pastebin.com/pLFZsikm , and here's Bitcoin: http://pastebin.com/pujyJfAN
392 2011-03-13 06:22:52 <nanotube> maybe it's just a bogus paste in the wiki page. :)
393 2011-03-13 06:23:26 <theymos> I also tried it messages I collected.
394 2011-03-13 06:23:53 <mizerydearia> genjix, mm, nice site, http://fishysnax.com/intersango/.  I have seen that site at another address several months ago.
395 2011-03-13 06:24:15 <mizerydearia> it's an awesome design
396 2011-03-13 06:24:54 <dirtyfilthy> theymos: not sure what this proves but my homebrew client throws an "incorrect checksum header" on that packet and it normally parses address packets
397 2011-03-13 06:25:01 <genjix> thanks. a lot of blood went into that
398 2011-03-13 06:25:09 <mizerydearia> genjix, max is 44?  I thought it was 43
399 2011-03-13 06:25:14 <genjix> mizerydearia: yeah, you mean http://genjix.freehostia.com ?
400 2011-03-13 06:25:19 <mizerydearia> genjix, yep
401 2011-03-13 06:25:29 <mizerydearia> I believe theymos indicated to me that it was 43 at one point
402 2011-03-13 06:25:35 <genjix> oops i mean http://genjix.freehostia.com/mtux
403 2011-03-13 06:25:40 <mizerydearia> ^_^
404 2011-03-13 06:26:07 <lfm> theytmos you can find the correct intermediat value from the sha256sum linux command
405 2011-03-13 06:26:41 <genjix> you know i made the basic site in 1 night, but it's all the small things that take many days
406 2011-03-13 06:26:50 <genjix> like getting CSS to work .etc
407 2011-03-13 06:27:16 <genjix> actually design took 2-3 days
408 2011-03-13 06:27:16 <theymos> dirtyfilthy: What about payload 01026b714d010000000000000000000000000000000000ffff636f checksum 47cc0ff6?
409 2011-03-13 06:27:24 <genjix> fighting CSS = 6 days
410 2011-03-13 06:27:41 <dirtyfilthy> theymos: got the whole packet? it's easier for me
411 2011-03-13 06:28:09 <mizerydearia> genjix, in case you forgot... what about (funny people, futaba + category)?
412 2011-03-13 06:29:49 <mizerydearia> mm, Jan 18 20:27:37 <theymos>  Bitcoin addresses can be up to 43 characters in length, IIRC.
413 2011-03-13 06:29:52 <genjix> 1. why don't you think up some system that enables popular people to stay
414 2011-03-13 06:29:54 <mizerydearia> so, it's 44 now?
415 2011-03-13 06:30:15 <genjix> maybe popular people pay less or something.
416 2011-03-13 06:30:22 <theymos> mizerydearia: 43 is the correct value. 44 is the value for testnet addresses.
417 2011-03-13 06:30:27 <genjix> 2. the category sidebar is too big... make it smaller.
418 2011-03-13 06:30:28 <mizerydearia> ah
419 2011-03-13 06:30:49 <genjix> 3. have you spent much time on 4chan?
420 2011-03-13 06:31:01 <genjix> well?
421 2011-03-13 06:31:36 <theymos> dirtyfilthy: I don't, but here's another one I just collected: f9beb4d9696e76000000000000000000250000009070e5c10101000000dbbf5b443122f3e77e937da4a2bae0425b69c56c449a8531b1319af4
422 2011-03-13 06:31:49 <dirtyfilthy> ByteArrayInputStream byteStream=new ByteArrayInputStream(incomingBytes); DataInputStream in=new DataInputStream(byteStream); VersionPacket v=new VersionPacket(); v.readExternal(in);
423 2011-03-13 06:31:54 <dirtyfilthy> ah whoops
424 2011-03-13 06:33:31 <mizerydearia> 2. category sidebar is now smaller.  look okay now?
425 2011-03-13 06:33:48 <mizerydearia> 3. not really, however I have visited the site previously
426 2011-03-13 06:34:10 <mizerydearia> 1. what kind of system have you thought of?
427 2011-03-13 06:36:11 <genjix> mizerydearia: you should spend a few days around 4chan understand how it works
428 2011-03-13 06:36:16 <genjix> it's good study
429 2011-03-13 06:36:29 <genjix> most of the memes from the internet originate from 4chan.
430 2011-03-13 06:37:21 <genjix> anyway the 4chan software is called futaba. it's actually static html.
431 2011-03-13 06:37:25 <mizerydearia> genjix, well, witcoin isn't a meme generating factory.  posts/threads do not expire
432 2011-03-13 06:37:38 <genjix> when you post scripts run and regenerate the pages.
433 2011-03-13 06:37:56 <genjix> the image board format is superior to forums
434 2011-03-13 06:37:59 <mizerydearia> additionally if posts did expire, then users would surely not pay for posts that would eventually disappear
435 2011-03-13 06:38:15 <lfm> theymos: I get final hash of 837d2d8785582c5d405e36b62ff3734935ab182fbf928a17a3a2352fad3327af for that"block"
436 2011-03-13 06:38:18 <genjix> i never said posts expire
437 2011-03-13 06:38:24 <mizerydearia> I did ^_^
438 2011-03-13 06:38:26 <genjix> you're latching onto a small aspect
439 2011-03-13 06:38:30 <mizerydearia> mm
440 2011-03-13 06:38:43 <mizerydearia> ohnoes, halp!! I'm falling
441 2011-03-13 06:39:05 <genjix> if you spend some time around 4chan /b/ i think it's a good study
442 2011-03-13 06:39:06 <lfm> theymos: and e6dce911ce7b3fa14f4158303aae3832cfb93e0f93d139137b9715593abc5485 as an intermediat hash between the two sah256
443 2011-03-13 06:39:12 <genjix> will definitely give you ideas
444 2011-03-13 06:39:57 <theymos> lfm: I get the same, but that doens't match the message's checksum of 9070e5c1.
445 2011-03-13 06:40:37 <lfm> oh a message checksum? is it a differnt algo?
446 2011-03-13 06:41:19 <theymos> AFAIK it's normal double-SHA-256 over the payload.
447 2011-03-13 06:41:35 <lfm> why is it so short?
448 2011-03-13 06:42:14 <mizerydearia> I suppose the homepage could display something other than a list of all posts
449 2011-03-13 06:42:52 <theymos> lfm: It's the first four bytes of the hash.
450 2011-03-13 06:43:16 <dirtyfilthy> theymos: it's telling me that inv packet is too short
451 2011-03-13 06:43:35 <dirtyfilthy> let me just fire it up properly and make sure it can still d/l the block chain
452 2011-03-13 06:43:42 <dirtyfilthy> and it's not broken
453 2011-03-13 06:46:26 <dirtyfilthy> eh still manages to download blockchain
454 2011-03-13 06:48:10 <theymos> I don't see how it could be too short. The packet length is 0x25, and there is a matching number of bytes in the payload.
455 2011-03-13 06:51:03 <nanotube> theymos: the port in that packet is not 8333 btw. wonder what kind of node is sending that out.
456 2011-03-13 06:51:19 <nanotube> (not that it matters for checksumming... just noting)
457 2011-03-13 06:53:40 <theymos> The last packet I posted is an inv.
458 2011-03-13 06:53:50 <nanotube> mm
459 2011-03-13 06:56:30 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
460 2011-03-13 06:56:34 <gribble> Current Blocks: 113366 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 1545 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 1 hour, 41 minutes, and 15 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 67911.10099141
461 2011-03-13 07:06:59 <mizerydearia> Any volunteers that would like to participate in styling beta for witcoin?
462 2011-03-13 07:07:11 <mizerydearia> e.g. css design
463 2011-03-13 07:08:04 <mizerydearia> s/beta/alpha/
464 2011-03-13 07:08:56 <mizerydearia> Basically, there will soon (within next eon or two) be user-generated themes/styles
465 2011-03-13 07:09:56 <mizerydearia> however, I would like to work with some volunteers to participate in preparing a couple designs to be ready when it is implemented.
466 2011-03-13 07:17:05 <JFK911> what's witcoin?  i get 50 wtc per funny joke?
467 2011-03-13 07:17:14 <mizerydearia> I think so
468 2011-03-13 07:17:18 <mizerydearia> but they must be funny
469 2011-03-13 07:17:22 <JFK911> okay here goes
470 2011-03-13 07:17:25 <mizerydearia> and someone must be willing to pay for it
471 2011-03-13 07:17:44 <mizerydearia> actually, they don't have to be funny
472 2011-03-13 07:17:48 <JFK911> brezhnev was riding along in his car and he saw a man carrying a watermelon!
473 2011-03-13 07:17:57 <mizerydearia> anyone willing to pay 50btc for o/ ?
474 2011-03-13 07:18:00 <mizerydearia> oh wait
475 2011-03-13 07:18:04 <mizerydearia> that wasn't posted at the site
476 2011-03-13 07:18:08 <JFK911> so he orders the driver to stop and confronts the man!  comrade, i want to buy your watermelon, it looks very nice!
477 2011-03-13 07:18:09 <mizerydearia> it doesn't qualify
478 2011-03-13 07:18:17 <JFK911> the man says sure, choose any one you want!
479 2011-03-13 07:18:20 <mizerydearia> you lose
480 2011-03-13 07:18:25 <JFK911> brezhnev says, but how can i choose, there's only one!?
481 2011-03-13 07:18:35 <JFK911> the man says, yes it's just like the election you won!
482 2011-03-13 07:19:04 <mizerydearia> ^_^ nice
483 2011-03-13 07:19:07 <nanotube> JFK911: lol good one
484 2011-03-13 07:20:11 <mizerydearia> JFK911, I'll pay you some wtc to post that at the site ^_^
485 2011-03-13 07:20:15 <mizerydearia> and then I'll upvote it
486 2011-03-13 07:20:30 <JFK911> did you hear?!  east germany got their first vending machine!
487 2011-03-13 07:20:39 <JFK911> you put in a banana, and five ostmarks come out!
488 2011-03-13 07:21:16 <JFK911> these are very old jokes, i can't take credit for them, sadly.
489 2011-03-13 07:21:26 <mizerydearia> You can credit them in the post?
490 2011-03-13 07:21:41 <JFK911> source: folk history
491 2011-03-13 07:21:44 <JFK911> i guess
492 2011-03-13 07:21:58 <mizerydearia> well, perhaps I can offer a small donation to you regardless?  which is practically the same?
493 2011-03-13 07:23:10 <MagicalTux> er
494 2011-03-13 07:23:12 <MagicalTux> in bitcoins*
495 2011-03-13 07:23:13 <mizerydearia> mm, hiya MagicalTux
496 2011-03-13 07:23:26 <MagicalTux> hi mizerydearia
497 2011-03-13 07:23:35 <mizerydearia> MagicalTux, Can we offer donations to you for you to allocate to Japanese in need?
498 2011-03-13 07:24:19 <mizerydearia> Perhaps you can establish a kind of bitcoin-specific promotional gesture of donation?
499 2011-03-13 07:24:26 <mizerydearia> e.g. those you donate to become introduced to Bitcoin also?
500 2011-03-13 07:24:27 <MagicalTux> mizerydearia: that's exactly what I'm thinking about, I'm just a bit afraid it might represent a bigger amount than what I can change to JPY
501 2011-03-13 07:25:22 <mizerydearia> well, even if it consumes the amount of some or many donations, as long as you have a modest amount to contribute to individuals or families, that may be helpful
502 2011-03-13 07:25:44 <JFK911> does japan need money?  this earthquake caused their currency to surge.
503 2011-03-13 07:25:56 <mizerydearia> JFK911, As a nation, maybe not, but as individuals affected by the disaster, I imagine so
504 2011-03-13 07:26:03 <MagicalTux> JFK911: in Japan right now there are a lot of people who just lost their house, and are happy just to receive some rice
505 2011-03-13 07:26:10 <mizerydearia> yeah
506 2011-03-13 07:26:37 <MagicalTux> (they are already grateful to be still alive)
507 2011-03-13 07:26:56 <JFK911> thats as sad as katrina, because japan is a developed country with lots of resources
508 2011-03-13 07:27:30 <MagicalTux> JFK911: the main problem right now is probably the affected power plants
509 2011-03-13 07:27:40 <mizerydearia> 250 km is about 155 miles
510 2011-03-13 07:28:00 <mizerydearia> Did you say you were 250km or 450km away?
511 2011-03-13 07:28:05 <MagicalTux> 250km
512 2011-03-13 07:28:31 <mizerydearia> Have you traveled to nearby Sendai?
513 2011-03-13 07:28:41 <JFK911> i seriously hope people aren't starving.  japan has a huge tariff on rice imports.
514 2011-03-13 07:29:14 <mizerydearia> Perhaps a massive donation of food supplies with a hint it bitcoin message would be nice?
515 2011-03-13 07:29:25 <mizerydearia> s/it/of/
516 2011-03-13 07:29:57 <MagicalTux> would just depend on how much we could collect in bitcoins
517 2011-03-13 07:30:14 <JFK911> i'm in the usa.  it would be most useful to send valuable medical supplies and equipment from here via air
518 2011-03-13 07:30:18 <MagicalTux> also if a lot of people donate, it might deteriorate the global value of bitcoins, unless we can find a food supplier ready to be paid in bitcoins
519 2011-03-13 07:30:19 <JFK911> possibly even blood
520 2011-03-13 07:30:38 <MagicalTux> JFK911: here in Japan there's a surge of blood donations in all unaffected areas
521 2011-03-13 07:31:16 <JFK911> do foreigners have blood types that arent common in japan?
522 2011-03-13 07:31:35 <mizerydearia> MagicalTux, I am not certain you will be able to establish convincing a food supplier to accept bitcoins, but if you do, that will be very helpful.  However, in alternative case, perhaps you could order bulk food supplies from a local wholesaler?
523 2011-03-13 07:31:40 <mizerydearia> Or perhaps contact a local grocery store?
524 2011-03-13 07:31:58 <mizerydearia> and work with them to coordinate food supplies as donations from bitcoin payment?
525 2011-03-13 07:32:13 <mizerydearia> or maybe even a restaurant?
526 2011-03-13 07:32:21 <andrew12> http://andrew12.tumblr.com/post/3827469467/selling-tf2-items-for-bitcoin-or-paypal
527 2011-03-13 07:32:27 <andrew12> </spam>
528 2011-03-13 07:33:21 <mizerydearia> MagicalTux, Have you submitted a bitcoin address for receiving donations?
529 2011-03-13 07:33:44 <MagicalTux> mizerydearia: I do not want to accept donations before I'm sure I'll be able to do something with those
530 2011-03-13 07:34:05 <mizerydearia> hmm
531 2011-03-13 07:34:08 <JFK911> well. japan certainly has been generous with donations to help out with other disasters in the past
532 2011-03-13 07:34:43 <MagicalTux> JFK911: and other countries are giving it back. This morning (~12 hours ago) teams sent by US, UK and Germany arrived in Japan
533 2011-03-13 07:34:44 <JFK911> is the government coordinating offers of assistance?
534 2011-03-13 07:35:02 <andrew12> OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT!
535 2011-03-13 07:35:02 <JFK911> yeah actually a local team from my area left yesterday
536 2011-03-13 07:35:23 <MagicalTux> USA named it "Operation Tomodachi" (tomodachi=friend)
537 2011-03-13 07:35:29 <mizerydearia> heh
538 2011-03-13 07:35:43 <JFK911> i'm a telecom engineer, i've been to japan before, i could possibly help on the ground
539 2011-03-13 07:37:59 <mizerydearia> MagicalTux, I imagine even though there is a tremendous amount of support already provided in which you may not be able to offer much assistance comparable to what is already offered, perhaps it may be worthy to still pursue offering some small or miniscule type of assistance with a bit of Bitcoin influence which helps to promote that the donations were funded by Bitcoin and also to promote aware of Bitcoin?
540 2011-03-13 07:38:16 <mizerydearia> awareness*
541 2011-03-13 07:38:38 <MagicalTux> mizerydearia: yep, anyway it doesn't cost anything to try
542 2011-03-13 07:39:30 <mizerydearia> And I imagine if you establish accepting donations for your pursuance of such an effort, you can help contribute and also spread more Bitcoin awareness throughout Japan.
543 2011-03-13 07:41:14 <mizerydearia> "I do not want to accept donations before I'm sure I'll be able to do something with those" ---- Is there something preventing you from being able to assist or help those that are affected>?
544 2011-03-13 07:41:32 <MagicalTux> I just need to find an efficient way to convert bitcoins in Japanese yens
545 2011-03-13 07:41:40 <mizerydearia> mm
546 2011-03-13 07:41:41 <mizerydearia> I see
547 2011-03-13 07:42:01 <mizerydearia> Well...
548 2011-03-13 07:42:10 <mizerydearia> Perhaps we can assist you in that effort.
549 2011-03-13 07:42:15 <JFK911> i found the japan banking system to be very restrictive
550 2011-03-13 07:42:34 <JFK911> wouldnt know where to begin
551 2011-03-13 07:42:53 <MagicalTux> right now, japan banks allow people to withdraw with only a proof of identity, even if they lost their seal and everything else
552 2011-03-13 07:42:59 <mizerydearia> Perhaps in a way that can help to convince at least one Japanese businesses (that can help to offer donation-liek goods) to accept Bitcoin payment
553 2011-03-13 07:43:35 <mizerydearia> ah, so for those that suffered loss in the disaster, they may not have any proof of identity and therefore unable to withdraw from bank?
554 2011-03-13 07:43:41 <MagicalTux> in the meantime I heared you can even donate to the red cross via iTunes
555 2011-03-13 07:44:30 <MagicalTux> mizerydearia: ID card is one of the most important things japanese people must keep with them when such an event occurs
556 2011-03-13 07:44:36 <mizerydearia> mm
557 2011-03-13 07:44:53 <MagicalTux> for those who don't have an id card, they can still receive free relief (food, water, blankets, place to sleep, etc)
558 2011-03-13 07:45:56 <MagicalTux> also I think if you registered your fingerprint with your bank account, you can probably withdraw with only the account number + a finger
559 2011-03-13 07:46:12 <mizerydearia> aww, you have to give up a finger to withdraw?
560 2011-03-13 07:46:21 <MagicalTux> they give it back to you after :D
561 2011-03-13 07:46:26 <mizerydearia> mm, that's nice
562 2011-03-13 07:46:47 <MagicalTux> anyway, it's not the first time Japan has to cope with this kind of event
563 2011-03-13 07:47:18 <MagicalTux> and they are more prepared than - say - thailand in 2004
564 2011-03-13 07:47:54 <MagicalTux> (or indonesia)
565 2011-03-13 07:48:27 <mizerydearia> btw, mixi is still the most popular social networking site in Japan, right?
566 2011-03-13 07:48:41 <mizerydearia> Does it still require Japan-based phone number for registration?
567 2011-03-13 07:48:53 <mizerydearia> or email address maybe?
568 2011-03-13 07:51:10 <MagicalTux> requires a japanese mobile phone email address
569 2011-03-13 07:55:07 <Diablo-D3> hey MagicalTux
570 2011-03-13 07:58:13 <theorbtwo> Hm.  When I'm doing something like pooled bitcoin mining, is there any reason not to set the transfer threshold very low?  I understand most peers won't process transactions of <0.01 bitcoin, but why not 0.10 bitcoin?
571 2011-03-13 07:58:42 <theorbtwo> OTOH, I don't know if it gives a transaction fee on it's outgoing payments, and who would pay for that transaction fee.
572 2011-03-13 07:58:43 <Diablo-D3> theorbtwo: because you get charged with fees below 1 btc
573 2011-03-13 07:59:06 <mizerydearia> Is https://btcex.com/ the only exchange market that provides Japanese Yen?
574 2011-03-13 07:59:40 <theorbtwo> Diablo-D3: Is that a feature of the network, or do you think that'd be a feature of the mining pool server?
575 2011-03-13 07:59:55 <Diablo-D3> thats part of the network.
576 2011-03-13 08:00:34 <mizerydearia> Japan Earthquake: before and after http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/japan-quake-2011/beforeafter.htm
577 2011-03-13 08:00:40 <theorbtwo> Hm.  I don't think I've seen that documented in my hreadings thus far.
578 2011-03-13 08:02:27 <Diablo-D3> tx fees are documented.
579 2011-03-13 08:03:14 <theorbtwo> Diablo-D3: Yes, but they are also optional, and I thought at this point, feeless transactions would tend to get processed, if possibly a bit slower then fee-giving transactions.
580 2011-03-13 08:03:49 <Diablo-D3> nope, the network is generally just charging fees on tx below 1 btc
581 2011-03-13 08:06:17 <theorbtwo> Ah.  https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_fees seems to say that the default client requires fees on transactions below 0.01 BTC, not 1 BTC.
582 2011-03-13 08:07:28 <Diablo-D3> hrm, maybe it is 0.01.
583 2011-03-13 08:07:39 <Diablo-D3> still, pools spamming TXs still isnt a good thing
584 2011-03-13 08:07:51 <Diablo-D3> most people make more than 1BTC a day if they're seriously mining
585 2011-03-13 08:10:55 <lfm> theorbtwo: a threshol of 0.10 btc would be fine tho
586 2011-03-13 08:10:57 <mmagic> does the client prioritize its own transactions in its own mined blocks?
587 2011-03-13 08:11:15 <lfm> mmagic: prolly
588 2011-03-13 08:12:31 <theorbtwo> I'm non-seriously mining, and I'm just getting started with bitcoin.
589 2011-03-13 08:14:14 <theorbtwo> Thus, I'd like to get some money available to play with -- more then the 0.05 from the faucet.  OTOH, I'd also like to not spam the network too badly, nor deflate the value of the mining by making it pay transaction fees.
590 2011-03-13 08:14:38 <theorbtwo> I think I'll check blockexplorer once I get paid to figure out what the pool's outgoing transactions look like.
591 2011-03-13 08:16:45 <lfm> theorbtwo: set it to 0.10 till you get paid once then set it back to a larger value maybe?
592 2011-03-13 08:31:15 <Travex> Hi guys
593 2011-03-13 08:31:25 <Travex> I've just got my first ever block generated !
594 2011-03-13 08:31:56 <mizerydearia> congrats Travex
595 2011-03-13 08:32:48 <Travex> Thx mate =D
596 2011-03-13 08:32:54 <lfm> Travex: wtg
597 2011-03-13 08:33:03 <Travex> however im wondering
598 2011-03-13 08:33:12 <Travex> can I turn off my GPU client now ?
599 2011-03-13 08:33:20 <Travex> or i have to wait until
600 2011-03-13 08:33:40 <mmagic> you can turn it off right now if you don't want to mine anymore. your block is still yours.
601 2011-03-13 08:33:49 <Travex> oh i see
602 2011-03-13 08:33:57 <Travex> because in my bitcoin client
603 2011-03-13 08:33:59 <lfm> if you dont want any more, ya. the one should be fully credited to within a day
604 2011-03-13 08:34:05 <Travex> yeah
605 2011-03-13 08:34:08 <Travex> it says
606 2011-03-13 08:34:23 <Travex> generated (50.oo matured in 120 blocks)
607 2011-03-13 08:34:36 <Travex> in 120 more blocks*
608 2011-03-13 08:34:37 <Travex> hehe
609 2011-03-13 08:34:51 <Travex> so i can just turn my gpu miner off now rite
610 2011-03-13 08:35:01 <lfm> ya the gpu is done with that one
611 2011-03-13 08:35:08 <Travex> oh great !
612 2011-03-13 08:35:18 <Travex> it took me 11 days >.>
613 2011-03-13 08:35:23 <lfm> not bad
614 2011-03-13 08:35:31 <Travex> :P
615 2011-03-13 08:37:19 <Travex> oh lfm how do i trace my block later in the blockexplorer.exe
616 2011-03-13 08:37:28 <Travex> what kind of information I have to put there ?
617 2011-03-13 08:37:48 <lfm> easiest is to note the exact time, then find the block number and note it
618 2011-03-13 08:38:00 <lfm> time in UTC
619 2011-03-13 08:38:45 <Travex> time in the bitcoin client you mean ?
620 2011-03-13 08:39:05 <lfm> time in the world when you found the block
621 2011-03-13 08:39:21 <Travex> oh alrity
622 2011-03-13 08:39:28 <lfm> UTC == GMT
623 2011-03-13 08:39:31 <Travex> i c
624 2011-03-13 08:39:38 <Travex> so lets say eveything is fine
625 2011-03-13 08:39:58 <Travex> then i will receive 50btc in my credit in a day later rite ?
626 2011-03-13 08:40:13 <Travex> bitcoin balance
627 2011-03-13 08:40:15 <lfm> should be yup
628 2011-03-13 08:40:47 <Travex> yeah, cool bro, thx for your help =D
629 2011-03-13 08:40:49 <Travex> thanks guys
630 2011-03-13 09:09:36 <da2ce7> ;;bc,calc 1000000
631 2011-03-13 09:09:37 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 76193.9710474 , is 3 days, 18 hours, 54 minutes, and 10 seconds
632 2011-03-13 09:19:32 <MagicalTux> gotta love journalists
633 2011-03-13 09:19:51 <MagicalTux> one side: Deaths from #Japan quake, tsunami could top 10,000 - NHK
634 2011-03-13 09:23:30 <da2ce7> ;;bc,stats
635 2011-03-13 09:23:31 <gribble> Current Blocks: 113379 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 1532 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 23 hours, 40 minutes, and 32 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 67791.04664193
636 2011-03-13 09:29:50 <BlueMatt> MagicalTux: ha, anything happen to you?
637 2011-03-13 09:30:13 <MagicalTux> BlueMatt: I had to wait 30 minutes to get to the register at the supermarket to pay
638 2011-03-13 09:30:21 <MagicalTux> (oh and most goods there were sold out)
639 2011-03-13 09:30:28 <da2ce7> what do you mean register?
640 2011-03-13 09:30:30 <MagicalTux> er
641 2011-03-13 09:30:44 <BlueMatt> I believe he meant checkout thing
642 2011-03-13 09:30:44 <MagicalTux> what was the word in english~
643 2011-03-13 09:30:54 <BlueMatt> I think register is the right word
644 2011-03-13 09:31:23 <MagicalTux> the place with the nice lady that scans your stuff and asks you to pay
645 2011-03-13 09:31:34 <[Tycho]> http://www.metalseinen.com/forums/index.php?/topic/657-japan-and-its-weirdness-warning-might-crash-your-browser/page__pid__24933__st__120#entry24933
646 2011-03-13 09:31:39 <da2ce7> did you need to register your name, becasue of rasons or the que
647 2011-03-13 09:32:16 <MagicalTux> da2ce7: no
648 2011-03-13 09:33:18 <Sirius> cashier
649 2011-03-13 09:33:43 <MagicalTux> ah
650 2011-03-13 09:33:46 <MagicalTux> yeah
651 2011-03-13 09:33:49 <da2ce7> ah, ok.  A friend of mine had to walk 4 hours home from Toyko.
652 2011-03-13 09:34:18 <MagicalTux> da2ce7: I live within Tokyo23, going home from work takes ~45 minutes by walking normally
653 2011-03-13 09:37:40 <da2ce7> yeah, her brother had to walk 10 hours home :( he was wrecked.
654 2011-03-13 09:39:27 <da2ce7> Hoe much of the metro is back up and running?
655 2011-03-13 09:39:31 <da2ce7> *how
656 2011-03-13 09:48:56 <xelister> btw, so did USA delivered the cooling thing for atomic plant
657 2011-03-13 09:49:02 <xelister> or was USA lying as usuall
658 2011-03-13 10:10:42 <xelister> 0.1 BTC for first person responding including link to creditable (BCC/CNN/wikipedia) page confirming this lie ;)
659 2011-03-13 10:12:27 <retinal> http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/11/us-japan-quake-nuclear-coolant-idUSTRE72A7VF20110311
660 2011-03-13 10:13:11 <xelister> thanks retinal. USA liers heh. BTC addr?
661 2011-03-13 10:13:23 <retinal> thanks, but I'm good
662 2011-03-13 10:17:14 <xelister> retinal: o
663 2011-03-13 10:17:27 <xelister> btw, lots of links about JP situation are given in ##politics
664 2011-03-13 10:17:31 <xelister> about the power plant etc
665 2011-03-13 10:18:09 <retinal> eh, I usually don't watch news; it's always depressing
666 2011-03-13 10:18:15 <xelister> it usually ios
667 2011-03-13 10:18:26 <xelister> *is
668 2011-03-13 10:18:27 <retinal> sometimes I just look things up for the stunning pictures
669 2011-03-13 10:18:29 <retinal> eg http://english.aljazeera.net/photo_galleries/asia-pacific/20113111521996179.html
670 2011-03-13 10:18:38 <xelister> but how you know when gov fucks you up too much and its time to revolt or die trying lol
671 2011-03-13 10:18:40 <retinal> also http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2011/03/japan_earthquake_aftermath.html
672 2011-03-13 10:19:11 <retinal> I'd rather not be a first responder to such a situation, if you get what I mean
673 2011-03-13 10:19:56 <xelister> example, imaging right now usafags say: 1) any use of P2P, or linux = jailtime   2) any kind of erotics, below age of 21 y = jail   3) Avoiding being chipped -> jail.      This is possible in next 10-20 years, look how far we gone in last 20 !!
674 2011-03-13 10:20:16 <xelister> retinal: you can be then a responder, or the slave
675 2011-03-13 10:20:46 <noagendamarket> who cares what the usa does?
676 2011-03-13 10:20:49 <retinal> ^^^
677 2011-03-13 10:20:57 <xelister> first USAfags^H^H the nazists came from the Jews, I didn't said nothing
678 2011-03-13 10:21:10 <xelister> then they came for DRM-avoiders, I didnt say anything
679 2011-03-13 10:21:30 <BurtyB> noagendamarket obv. xelister does as they keep banging on about it day after day
680 2011-03-13 10:21:30 <xelister> then they came for me for using linux/bitcoin, but there was noone left to say anything... ;)
681 2011-03-13 10:22:12 <noagendamarket> maybe been through the body scanners one too many times
682 2011-03-13 10:22:16 <noagendamarket> :)
683 2011-03-13 10:22:44 <xelister> noagendamarket: most 'good' ideas about trying to make us more like slaves: body scaners... ACTA... torrent bans.. 17 girl+boy is om pedo,  etc, all camed from which country, before they affected most of civilized world?
684 2011-03-13 10:23:16 <Diablo-D3> ....
685 2011-03-13 10:23:26 <Diablo-D3> I have no clue what xelister just said
686 2011-03-13 10:23:40 <retinal> I'm too tired to bother
687 2011-03-13 10:23:43 <noagendamarket> well the english are also introducing lots of stuff
688 2011-03-13 10:24:09 <xelister> which country started all this stupid ideas like body scanners, ACTA, DMCA
689 2011-03-13 10:24:16 <Diablo-D3> noagendamarket: like a guide on how to speak it? ;D
690 2011-03-13 10:24:42 <noagendamarket> lol
691 2011-03-13 10:24:46 <xelister> <_<
692 2011-03-13 10:25:30 <xelister> they are?
693 2011-03-13 10:25:38 <xelister> then why ALL this ideas started in USA
694 2011-03-13 10:25:58 <Diablo-D3> because all the companies who profit are American
695 2011-03-13 10:26:00 <xelister> obviously almost all politicians are evil, but somehow USA seems to take a lead here
696 2011-03-13 10:26:03 <Diablo-D3> and most rich people are American
697 2011-03-13 10:26:04 <Diablo-D3> AAAAAAAAAAND
698 2011-03-13 10:26:14 <Diablo-D3> the EU has some pretty dumb shit too
699 2011-03-13 10:26:20 <Diablo-D3> its not like this is a problem in just the US
700 2011-03-13 10:26:26 <xelister> we do have, but all this ideas are imported from USA
701 2011-03-13 10:26:50 <Diablo-D3> what about france's three strikes and no more internet law
702 2011-03-13 10:27:02 <xelister> dunno if this is USA government forcing them on us silently, or more like "heey what more can we fuck up in law... oh, look what happens in USA, lets do such shit here too" or what
703 2011-03-13 10:27:07 <Diablo-D3> no trial, no representation, if you're accused you're guilty
704 2011-03-13 10:27:15 <xelister> Diablo-D3: this is shit. But it was after USA ideas, no?
705 2011-03-13 10:27:24 <Diablo-D3> nope
706 2011-03-13 10:27:31 <Diablo-D3> infact, ufcking France gave the Republicans the idea
707 2011-03-13 10:27:35 <Diablo-D3> now they keep trying to pass that here
708 2011-03-13 10:27:42 <Diablo-D3> thanks alot fuckers
709 2011-03-13 10:28:31 <xelister> from what I see the worst, anti-freedom countries in civilized world, are: USA, UK, FR, Australia.
710 2011-03-13 10:28:44 <xelister> Diablo-D3: well yea, fuck them
711 2011-03-13 10:28:49 <Diablo-D3> and not necessarily in that order either
712 2011-03-13 10:29:02 <xelister> what order do you think would be correct?
713 2011-03-13 10:29:34 <jercos> "Hi, do you have a discount for being extremely rich?"
714 2011-03-13 10:29:35 <xelister> Australia moralfags get extra points for saying small-breasted === child-porn (wtf??)
715 2011-03-13 10:29:58 <Diablo-D3> xelister: possibly UK
716 2011-03-13 10:30:01 <Diablo-D3> they kettle people
717 2011-03-13 10:30:18 <noagendamarket> the UK has lots of cameras
718 2011-03-13 10:30:21 <Diablo-D3> and also, AU sort of fucked itself there
719 2011-03-13 10:30:32 <Diablo-D3> they pissed off all the small breasted women enough that the law died
720 2011-03-13 10:30:32 <noagendamarket> we are fucked
721 2011-03-13 10:30:40 <xelister> Diablo-D3: btw, UK is the home of Freenet :) as you probably know
722 2011-03-13 10:30:45 <xelister> perhaps it was the reason
723 2011-03-13 10:30:46 <Diablo-D3> never piss off asia when you're that close to it
724 2011-03-13 10:30:56 <Diablo-D3> xelister: yes, but the US is home of Tor.
725 2011-03-13 10:30:58 <noagendamarket> the stupid cunt prime minister is trying to introduce a carbon capo
726 2011-03-13 10:31:17 <noagendamarket> austrlaia is the home of steve irwin
727 2011-03-13 10:31:19 <noagendamarket> lol
728 2011-03-13 10:31:26 <noagendamarket> or it was
729 2011-03-13 10:31:39 <Diablo-D3> yes, was
730 2011-03-13 10:31:48 <Diablo-D3> he set animals rights back several decades
731 2011-03-13 10:31:53 <noagendamarket> lol
732 2011-03-13 10:32:31 <noagendamarket> actually he did a lot for animal conservation
733 2011-03-13 10:33:05 <da2ce7> lol 'animal rights' wtf?
734 2011-03-13 10:33:52 <Diablo-D3> da2ce7: yes, animals have a right not to be molested by steve irwin
735 2011-03-13 10:34:13 <noagendamarket> they got revenge
736 2011-03-13 10:34:25 <xelister> da2ce7:  animal rights usually is about not causing pain and so on
737 2011-03-13 10:35:07 <noagendamarket> anyway the chinese will pwn us all
738 2011-03-13 10:36:10 <noagendamarket> the politgicians are just getting us into practice
739 2011-03-13 10:36:12 <da2ce7> hmmm, I don't like causing pain to animal's I own, but I get to choose what i do with animal's I own... So If steve owned those animals... I might not agree with it, but I'm not going to force him to stop it. *back when he was alive.
740 2011-03-13 10:36:56 <xelister> da2ce7: there are usually laws to not cause pain to animals, especially uneeded pain and so on. This is good, no?
741 2011-03-13 10:37:13 <xelister> unneeded
742 2011-03-13 10:37:43 <da2ce7> well do we pay for the inforcement of those laws with tax?  Who decides what 'right' an animal has? Who gets the moral say?
743 2011-03-13 10:38:08 <xelister> dunno.. I think such laws are a good thing... you dont agree?
744 2011-03-13 10:38:13 <dirtyfilthy> Who decides what "right" an infant has?
745 2011-03-13 10:38:27 <xelister> midnightmagic: btw so you are in JP now? how big part is without electrical power?
746 2011-03-13 10:39:05 <da2ce7> dirtyfilthy, I guess the parents of that infant.
747 2011-03-13 10:39:37 <dirtyfilthy> da2ce7: i think that line of thinking gets very dangerous very quickly
748 2011-03-13 10:39:46 <da2ce7> But I still consider a infant human much more inportant than an animal.
749 2011-03-13 10:40:04 <xelister> da2ce7: sure. but animals also should be protected
750 2011-03-13 10:40:28 <xelister> also, parent too... but if they like, throw child against the wall or beat him.. someone really should intervane
751 2011-03-13 10:40:39 <xelister> because infant cant yet defend itself or ask for help...
752 2011-03-13 10:41:08 <da2ce7> exlister, what happens if the parents have cooks in a cage, and their child in a cage also?
753 2011-03-13 10:41:26 <xelister> hm
754 2011-03-13 10:41:29 <xelister> hm? cooks?
755 2011-03-13 10:41:31 <Diablo-D3> but why dont they just cook the child?
756 2011-03-13 10:41:49 <da2ce7> *chickens
757 2011-03-13 10:42:19 <Diablo-D3> cocks?
758 2011-03-13 10:42:29 <da2ce7> lol
759 2011-03-13 10:43:31 <da2ce7> the thing is that differnt people have differnt standards of what is right, as soon as there is an active inforcment of a so-called 'right' there is issues.
760 2011-03-13 10:43:48 <da2ce7> should vegan people linch me for eating meat?
761 2011-03-13 10:44:28 <Diablo-D3> no
762 2011-03-13 10:44:33 <Diablo-D3> otoh
763 2011-03-13 10:44:37 <Diablo-D3> you should be able to eat vegan people
764 2011-03-13 10:46:02 <dirtyfilthy> yeah so the question is when is enforcement of moral views acceptable
765 2011-03-13 10:51:05 <Diablo-D3> well, never.
766 2011-03-13 10:51:14 <Diablo-D3> morals is this quasi-religions concept thats bullshit
767 2011-03-13 10:51:18 <dirtyfilthy> hahahaha
768 2011-03-13 10:51:53 <Diablo-D3> laws should only exist to protect the producers in society, and force members of society to respect the boundaries of others
769 2011-03-13 10:52:02 <dirtyfilthy> so you wouldn't intervene if a child was being beaten?
770 2011-03-13 10:52:17 <Diablo-D3> are children not members of society?
771 2011-03-13 10:52:29 <dirtyfilthy> is this not a moral view you are espousing?
772 2011-03-13 10:52:32 <CFSworks> Are infants members of society?
773 2011-03-13 10:52:42 <sipa> what boundaries are acceptable depends on moral views
774 2011-03-13 10:52:54 <Diablo-D3> sipa: nope, not at all.
775 2011-03-13 10:53:00 <xelister> we all agree that small children should not be heavly beeten?  right?  or what are we discussing now?
776 2011-03-13 10:53:10 <Diablo-D3> the boundaries are exactly what I said
777 2011-03-13 10:53:14 <Diablo-D3> the boundaries between others.
778 2011-03-13 10:53:27 <Diablo-D3> as long as you're not effecting someone else, do whatever you want.
779 2011-03-13 10:53:33 <sipa> if someone enters my private ground, do i have the righ to kill him?
780 2011-03-13 10:53:46 <xelister> Diablo-D3: there is always problem in defining actually at which point the boundary is
781 2011-03-13 10:54:06 <sipa> he is trespassing my boundary (enter my ground), but i am trespassing his (taking his life)
782 2011-03-13 10:54:10 <sipa> which has priority?
783 2011-03-13 10:54:13 <sipa> that's a moral view
784 2011-03-13 10:54:33 <CFSworks> The way I roll: If he walks on my property, walk on his. Then he's a hypocrite for complaining.
785 2011-03-13 10:54:38 <xelister> e.g. I could say that avoiding DRM affects me (less income) others can say DRM affects their managment of the thing they bougt. Both groups are somewhat correct (anti-DRM beeing more correct :)
786 2011-03-13 10:55:02 <Diablo-D3> sipa: its not priority
787 2011-03-13 10:55:06 <Diablo-D3> its a fifo stack.
788 2011-03-13 10:55:13 <dirtyfilthy> there's a big problem in that we are pretty much always affecting other people
789 2011-03-13 10:55:13 <xelister> CFSworks: ha =)
790 2011-03-13 11:14:27 <datathe1st> ;;bc,stats
791 2011-03-13 11:14:29 <gribble> Current Blocks: 113388 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 1523 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 22 hours, 24 minutes, and 31 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 67709.82264192
792 2011-03-13 11:14:56 <datathe1st> Glad to see difficulty will be going down, however, I wonder if mytery miner will come back once it does
793 2011-03-13 11:16:34 <datathe1st> I posted this in the forums but I really want the developers and coders amongst us to read it and give valuable intelligent feedback because I am new to this scene
794 2011-03-13 11:16:39 <datathe1st> please read http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4424.0
795 2011-03-13 11:16:44 <datathe1st> Thank you
796 2011-03-13 11:17:58 <Diablo-D3> [07:55:13] <dirtyfilthy> there's a big problem in that we are pretty much always affecting other people
797 2011-03-13 11:18:04 <Diablo-D3> yes, and that problem needs to be solved.
798 2011-03-13 11:18:38 <datathe1st> diablo, I assume you wrote the diablo miner?
799 2011-03-13 11:19:15 <datathe1st> what are your thoughts on the bitcoinpool.com pool?  They recommend your miner and advocate a ratio of get works to completed shares of close to 1:1.  Your thoughts?
800 2011-03-13 11:19:41 <datathe1st> ;;bc,help
801 2011-03-13 11:19:41 <gribble> Alias bc,bcm, Alias bc,blocks, Alias bc,btcex, Alias bc,calc, Alias bc,calcd, Alias bc,diff, Alias bc,estimate, Alias bc,gen, Alias bc,gend, Alias bc,help, Alias bc,hextarget, Alias bc,labs, Alias bc,lbs, Alias bc,markets, Alias bc,mtgox, Alias bc,nexttarget, Alias bc,poolstats, Alias bc,prob, Alias bc,stats, Alias bc,timetonext, Alias bc,totalbc, and Alias bc,wiki
802 2011-03-13 11:20:08 <datathe1st> ;;bc,nexttarget
803 2011-03-13 11:20:08 <gribble> 114911
804 2011-03-13 11:20:25 <datathe1st> ;;bc,prob
805 2011-03-13 11:20:25 <gribble> (bc,prob <an alias, at least 1 argument>) -- Alias for "math calc 1-exp(-$1*1000 * [seconds $*] / (2**32* [bc,diff]))".
806 2011-03-13 11:20:40 <datathe1st> ;;bc,prob 10
807 2011-03-13 11:20:41 <gribble> Error: There's really no reason why you should have underscores or brackets in your mathematical expression.  Please remove them.
808 2011-03-13 11:23:11 <datathe1st> goodnight all.  I just bought my first two 5870s for the express purpose of mining today because I was able to pick them up for $220 per.  It was an exciting night and I've stayed up way too late but it was fun.  Please respond on the forum with your thoughts on my post there.  Again I'm new so I might have made some fundamental mistakes but I hope not:  http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4424.0
809 2011-03-13 11:28:07 <xelister> What would you use to  share files   between few computers,  with versioning.   Like rsync, but versioning... like SVN, but more automatic.   Perhaps SVN + scripts to auto add/remove files?
810 2011-03-13 11:29:03 <CFSworks> xelister: I would not be one to ask. I would end up doing something stupid like using MediaWiki and Base64-encoding the files.
811 2011-03-13 11:29:27 <da2ce7> maybe just use GIT?
812 2011-03-13 11:29:36 <da2ce7> and push between the two computers?
813 2011-03-13 11:30:32 <CFSworks> Supposedly there's something called "RsyncX" that does versioning. I don't know, I just Googled it, so I didn't check it out.
814 2011-03-13 11:30:52 <CFSworks> Ah, it's just a port of rsync to OS X.
815 2011-03-13 11:31:47 <xelister> not yet in debian/ubuntu it seems though
816 2011-03-13 11:31:51 <xelister> sparkleshare seems interesting
817 2011-03-13 11:32:21 <CFSworks> What isn't, RsyncX or git? I'd be surprised if your distro's apt-get lacked git...
818 2011-03-13 11:32:36 <xelister> the sparkleshare thing
819 2011-03-13 11:32:39 <xelister> http://sparkleshare.org/
820 2011-03-13 11:32:41 <xelister> looks promising
821 2011-03-13 11:33:03 <CFSworks> Now that's cool.
822 2011-03-13 11:33:47 <CFSworks> By "more automatic" do you mean you want file changes to be pushed directly to the other peers, and not have them have to download from an SVN server?
823 2011-03-13 11:34:12 <xelister> CFSworks: mostly that I do not want to always do lots of svn add by hand
824 2011-03-13 11:35:17 <CFSworks> Wow, supposedly Wuala is free. What's the catch, BurtyB?
825 2011-03-13 11:35:48 <xelister> da2ce7: :-O
826 2011-03-13 11:36:38 <BurtyB> CFSworks if you want pro features you have to share disk space (or buy it)
827 2011-03-13 11:36:48 <da2ce7> "Know your place, you didn't become my bottom bitch by talking back!"
828 2011-03-13 11:37:42 <CFSworks> Oh, so you share space so other people can store encrypted backups on your drive? Dang. I had that idea a while ago... I want my cut.
829 2011-03-13 11:38:15 <xelister> CFSworks: =)
830 2011-03-13 11:38:28 <xelister> CFSworks: why not run a freenet node, its fun implementation of such idea
831 2011-03-13 11:38:56 <BurtyB> CFSworks heh - I run it on a couple of servers with 100GB so I've got plenty of free space :)
832 2011-03-13 11:39:29 <CFSworks> Never had a chance to play with Freenet. I should probably run it on a server with inbound ports open, though.
833 2011-03-13 11:41:15 <xelister> :)
834 2011-03-13 11:42:13 <AmpEater> I support tor and i2p, now I get to play with free net
835 2011-03-13 11:48:48 <AmpEater> Still researching, but I'll be adding to btcfn bounty
836 2011-03-13 11:49:19 <AmpEater> Prolly not 1000btc though :)
837 2011-03-13 11:49:42 <da2ce7> dang, :( but thanks for adding any ammount.
838 2011-03-13 11:56:43 <xelister> AmpEater: :)
839 2011-03-13 11:57:30 <da2ce7> AmpEater, whatever ammount you want to donate :)
840 2011-03-13 11:58:01 <AmpEater> I really like the bounty concept
841 2011-03-13 11:58:32 <AmpEater> Community incentivizes the tools they want built
842 2011-03-13 11:58:41 <AmpEater> Awesome
843 2011-03-13 12:02:37 <xelister> yeap
844 2011-03-13 12:02:50 <xelister> AmpEater: see PM (Im bbl)
845 2011-03-13 12:03:20 <xelister> AmpEater  btw you are not reginstered user on Freenode.  you cant write to PM  probably.  See  /msg chanserv register
846 2011-03-13 12:12:35 <xelister> lol wat...  my new coworker, looks totally like  ME GUSTA.
847 2011-03-13 12:14:15 <xelister> he should be in marketing secion.
848 2011-03-13 12:14:28 <xelister> - ok I want to be your new customer
849 2011-03-13 12:14:33 <xelister> - :me gusta:  ME GUSTA.
850 2011-03-13 12:15:48 <osearth> is there a way to only search for keys when my windows screen saver is on.
851 2011-03-13 12:16:04 <henux> Hi, I have an idea for a Bitcoin DNS kind of system. I know DNS's have been considered before, but this is a new kind of idea,
852 2011-03-13 12:16:40 <xelister> henux: I already have my dns-audion system patented.
853 2011-03-13 12:16:45 <xelister> auction
854 2011-03-13 12:17:04 <henux> Basically this would be a web service for an open database of btc address <-> nickname with a API which others could also use
855 2011-03-13 12:18:19 <henux> Ownership of the nickname would be determined by the amount of bitcoins donated to an address. That is, the one who donates the largest number of coins to some btc address, gets to name it. In this way, the one who controls the wallet of the address always gets to name it since he would essentially donate to himself
856 2011-03-13 12:18:51 <henux> There would be some web interface for this database along with an JSON API
857 2011-03-13 12:19:06 <henux> Do you think this might be useful?
858 2011-03-13 12:19:52 <henux> xelister: what kind of system is that?
859 2011-03-13 12:20:06 <xelister> I'm bbl
860 2011-03-13 12:20:14 <xelister> its an automatic auction idea
861 2011-03-13 12:20:34 <henux> xelister: maybe you could integrate your system into my dns lookup?
862 2011-03-13 12:20:53 <osearth> thought i just seen a nickname > btc addr system on bitcoinnews
863 2011-03-13 12:20:54 <henux> the point of this database would be to allow third party developers to use it
864 2011-03-13 12:20:58 <xelister> perhaps... PM me URL of the idea, email etc
865 2011-03-13 12:21:09 <henux> i don't have it done yet
866 2011-03-13 12:21:38 <henux> I'm just asking would this kind of database gain adoptance or support from others if I would implement it
867 2011-03-13 12:31:04 <da2ce7> https://morgsatlarge.wordpress.com/2011/03/13/why-i-am-not-worried-about-japans-nuclear-reactors/
868 2011-03-13 12:46:14 <forrestv> ArtForz, i was asking about a python implementation of bitcoin and someone mentioned that you might have created one
869 2011-03-13 12:46:26 <forrestv> i found http://pastebin.com/ZSM7iHZw - is that a complete implementation of the protocol or just a dumb client?
870 2011-03-13 13:27:05 <genjix> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
871 2011-03-13 13:27:09 <genjix> "Police warn that the death toll in one of the worst-hit areas is likely to exceed 10,000."
872 2011-03-13 13:27:21 <genjix> 10, 000 people + a nuclear meltdown. WTF
873 2011-03-13 13:33:32 <genjix> by comparison sept 11 had 3k killed and lead to world war 3
874 2011-03-13 13:34:44 <henux> genjix: hi i heard you were developing some kind of bitcoin DNS?
875 2011-03-13 13:40:55 <genjix> henux: more like a Bitcoin address NS
876 2011-03-13 13:41:15 <genjix> bitcoin DNS is something else (a DNS system based on bitcoin)
877 2011-03-13 13:41:27 <henux> yes how does your system work?
878 2011-03-13 13:41:53 <henux> I had an idea of nick <--> bitcoin address mapping
879 2011-03-13 13:41:55 <genjix> now or after my next changes? ;)
880 2011-03-13 13:42:00 <henux> in general
881 2011-03-13 13:42:04 <henux> what's it about?
882 2011-03-13 13:42:06 <genjix> oh cool, then let me explain:
883 2011-03-13 13:42:42 <genjix> you get yourself some free cheap hosting and bar.org
884 2011-03-13 13:42:53 <genjix> (LAMP)
885 2011-03-13 13:43:07 <genjix> upload some php files and setup mysql as per the usage instructions
886 2011-03-13 13:43:18 <genjix> that's how you create a 'provider'
887 2011-03-13 13:43:25 <henux> ok
888 2011-03-13 13:44:03 <genjix> then in bitcoin when you refer to somenick@bar.org   or somenick@bar.org:443  or somenick@23.44.98.1  or .etc
889 2011-03-13 13:44:18 <genjix> then it splits off somenick and looks it up using bar.org
890 2011-03-13 13:44:37 <genjix> it can also have an optional path like  somenick@bar.org/path/to/
891 2011-03-13 13:44:50 <genjix> there's 3 methods:
892 2011-03-13 13:45:00 <genjix> http://fishysnax.com/getaddress/?nickname=genjix
893 2011-03-13 13:45:12 <genjix> (uses GET)
894 2011-03-13 13:45:27 <genjix> and the other methods use POST (for changing data)
895 2011-03-13 13:45:44 <henux> alright
896 2011-03-13 13:45:49 <genjix> setaddress [address] [password]
897 2011-03-13 13:46:02 <genjix> setnewpassword [pass] [newpass]
898 2011-03-13 13:46:25 <genjix> anyway I'm thinking of changing it
899 2011-03-13 13:46:38 <henux> i think that's a cool idea, but i had a different kine of idea myself
900 2011-03-13 13:46:43 <henux> want to hear about it?
901 2011-03-13 13:46:48 <genjix> so that the first time you create an account, you have to upload your ssh public key
902 2011-03-13 13:46:56 <genjix> yeah go ahead
903 2011-03-13 13:47:10 <genjix> (and login with openID)
904 2011-03-13 13:47:30 <henux> okay this would be an open database of nick <--> address mapping, and the service would provide a JSON API for searching nicks and addresses
905 2011-03-13 13:48:09 <genjix> that's what it is now.
906 2011-03-13 13:48:16 <genjix> http://fishysnax.com/getaddress/?nickname=genjix
907 2011-03-13 13:48:29 <henux> basically, you could attach a nick to an address you register, and the one who donates the greatest amount of coins to a specific address gets to name it. therefore, the one who owns the address always gets to name it, because you can always donate as much as you want to yourself
908 2011-03-13 13:49:13 <henux> when you donate to an address you control, you donate to yourself
909 2011-03-13 13:49:53 <genjix> that's a cool idea
910 2011-03-13 13:50:23 <henux> the api would be something like, http://bitcoinregistry.org/getaddress?nick=henux
911 2011-03-13 13:50:43 <henux> http://bitcoinregistry.org/getnick?address=....
912 2011-03-13 13:50:47 <genjix> 404
913 2011-03-13 13:51:08 <henux> its not done yet
914 2011-03-13 13:51:10 <henux> its just an idea
915 2011-03-13 13:51:33 <genjix> about the idea above though
916 2011-03-13 13:51:45 <henux> i was thinking if i should do this since i heard you were already doing similar
917 2011-03-13 13:52:14 <genjix> well it works, but i need to work out the security issue.
918 2011-03-13 13:52:28 <genjix> the idea above sounds cool, but not sure if it's totally secure or desirable.
919 2011-03-13 13:52:37 <genjix> atm you use a plaintext password
920 2011-03-13 13:52:37 <henux> yeah maybe
921 2011-03-13 13:53:05 <genjix> i think maybe people should login to the actual website and upload their public ssh key.
922 2011-03-13 13:53:15 <genjix> and login using OpenID
923 2011-03-13 13:53:37 <genjix> and if you only wanted to provide the service for yourself, then you can.
924 2011-03-13 13:53:47 <genjix> Also I want to make the webservice into a REST api
925 2011-03-13 13:55:13 <henux> yeah
926 2011-03-13 13:55:20 <retinal> A volcano in southwestern Japan erupted Sunday after nearly two weeks of relative silence, sending ash and rocks up to four kilometres (two and a half miles) into the air, a local official says.
927 2011-03-13 13:55:22 <retinal> gg, Japan
928 2011-03-13 13:57:42 <genjix> henux: i'm trying to think about that idea of yours.
929 2011-03-13 13:57:46 <Diablo-D3> retinal: bullshit, url
930 2011-03-13 13:57:47 <genjix> doesn't it have 2 flaws?