1 2011-03-18 00:07:18 <jgarzik> genjix: "britcoin" -- cute :)
  2 2011-03-18 00:08:52 <genjix> :)
  3 2011-03-18 00:09:23 <genjix> (actually my sister posted that on the forums and i stole it off her)
  4 2011-03-18 00:09:52 <joepie91> okay, so I just got an email from my registrar complaining about "promoting hacking" on my site, lmfao
  5 2011-03-18 00:10:16 <xelister> joepie91: what 'hacking'?
  6 2011-03-18 00:10:23 <joepie91> it's anonnews.
  7 2011-03-18 00:10:30 <joepie91> they see a press platform as something promoting hacking
  8 2011-03-18 00:10:59 <joepie91> in that case, the NOS (dutch broadcasting company) should be shut down as well - they even posted a link to an instructional video on LOIC, including download link for LOIC itself
  9 2011-03-18 00:11:04 <joepie91> aka this is bullshit
 10 2011-03-18 00:24:14 <JFK911> yeah shut down the dutch government broadcaster
 11 2011-03-18 00:24:26 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
 12 2011-03-18 00:24:27 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.88,"low":0.81,"vol":6977,"buy":0.8241,"sell":0.8507,"last":0.8506}}
 13 2011-03-18 00:25:00 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 400000 Khps, given current difficulty of 76193.9710474 , is 1 week, 2 days, 11 hours, 15 minutes, and 26 seconds
 14 2011-03-18 00:25:00 <JFK911> ;;bc,calc 400000
 15 2011-03-18 00:28:08 <gribble> The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/
 16 2011-03-18 00:28:08 <joepie91> ;;help
 17 2011-03-18 00:28:17 <joepie91> ;;commands
 18 2011-03-18 00:28:18 <gribble> ?, about, action, add, alert, alias, announce, announce add, announce list, announce remove, any, aol, apply, apropos, at, auth, author, azn, ban add, ban list, ban remove, base, bashorg, bc,bcm, bc,blocks, bc,btcex, bc,calc, bc,calcd, bc,diff, bc,estimate, bc,gen, bc,gend, bc,help, bc,hextarget, bc,labs, bc,lbs, bc,markets, bc,mtgox, bc,nexttarget, bc,poolstats, bc,prob, bc,stats, (7 more messages)
 19 2011-03-18 00:28:40 <joepie91> ;;bc;stats
 20 2011-03-18 00:28:41 <gribble> Error: "bc;stats" is not a valid command.
 21 2011-03-18 00:28:46 <joepie91> ;;bc,stats
 22 2011-03-18 00:28:48 <gribble> Current Blocks: 113959 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 952 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 14 hours, 12 minutes, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 66983.29293969
 23 2011-03-18 00:28:53 <joepie91> hm
 24 2011-03-18 00:29:03 <joepie91> how can I get the estimated amount of bitcoins in circulation?
 25 2011-03-18 00:29:48 <theymos> ;;bc,totalbc
 26 2011-03-18 00:29:49 <gribble> 5697950.00000000
 27 2011-03-18 00:29:58 <joepie91> ok, thanks :)
 28 2011-03-18 00:30:32 <genjix> joepie91: hey you own anonnews?
 29 2011-03-18 00:30:51 <joepie91> yup
 30 2011-03-18 00:30:54 <genjix> brofist
 31 2011-03-18 00:30:58 <joepie91> lol
 32 2011-03-18 00:31:02 <genjix> i started titstorm with a friend
 33 2011-03-18 00:31:07 <joepie91> o, srsly?
 34 2011-03-18 00:31:10 <genjix> yeah
 35 2011-03-18 00:31:20 <genjix> i was travelling at the time too
 36 2011-03-18 00:31:27 <genjix> and then went offline for a few days
 37 2011-03-18 00:31:34 <genjix> (2-3 days)
 38 2011-03-18 00:31:45 <joepie91> heh
 39 2011-03-18 00:31:48 <joepie91> well, still very nice :P
 40 2011-03-18 00:31:52 <genjix> when i came back it was all new people handling everything
 41 2011-03-18 00:32:06 <genjix> was awesome how dynamic everything is
 42 2011-03-18 00:32:08 <joepie91> that tends to happen :P
 43 2011-03-18 00:32:11 <joepie91> indeed
 44 2011-03-18 00:32:20 <joepie91> I've seen crazy things happen over the past few weeks as well
 45 2011-03-18 00:32:36 <genjix> do you use linux?
 46 2011-03-18 00:32:46 <genjix> function spider4chan() { wget -P pics -H -nd -r -Dimages.4chan.org -A '.jpg,.jpeg,.png,.gif,' -erobots=off "$1"; }
 47 2011-03-18 00:32:49 <joepie91> on my main box I do, and on my laptop I do as well
 48 2011-03-18 00:32:54 <genjix> add that to the bottom of your .bashrc
 49 2011-03-18 00:32:54 <joepie91> but atm I'm on a windows box
 50 2011-03-18 00:33:00 <joepie91> lol
 51 2011-03-18 00:33:04 <genjix> (it downloads all the images in a thread)
 52 2011-03-18 00:33:06 <joepie91> downloads all shit from b
 53 2011-03-18 00:33:08 <joepie91> ohwait
 54 2011-03-18 00:33:11 <joepie91> just one thread?
 55 2011-03-18 00:33:12 <genjix> no, just from one thread
 56 2011-03-18 00:33:14 <genjix> yeah
 57 2011-03-18 00:33:19 <genjix> so you get all the funny pics
 58 2011-03-18 00:33:19 <joepie91> err
 59 2011-03-18 00:33:29 <joepie91> ... where does it define the thread url
 60 2011-03-18 00:33:30 <joepie91> ohwait
 61 2011-03-18 00:33:33 <genjix> instead of opening 100 tabs
 62 2011-03-18 00:33:33 <joepie91> nvm
 63 2011-03-18 00:33:34 <joepie91> >.<
 64 2011-03-18 00:33:41 <joepie91> I got another crawler script for that
 65 2011-03-18 00:33:44 <joepie91> :P
 66 2011-03-18 00:33:45 <genjix> spider4chan http://name of thread..
 67 2011-03-18 00:33:52 <genjix> ok
 68 2011-03-18 00:33:58 <joepie91> ye, my script checks every X time
 69 2011-03-18 00:33:59 <joepie91> for new pics
 70 2011-03-18 00:34:03 <joepie91> and downloads all new pics
 71 2011-03-18 00:34:54 <genjix> k. that's just for one thread since i often want to fetch all the pics but am too lazy to click all of them :p
 72 2011-03-18 00:34:56 <joepie91> didn't write it myself btw :P
 73 2011-03-18 00:34:58 <joepie91> heh
 74 2011-03-18 00:35:03 <joepie91> downthemall :)
 75 2011-03-18 00:35:13 <joepie91> sometimes works better
 76 2011-03-18 00:35:18 <genjix> anonnews is awesome... i sometimes read that site.
 77 2011-03-18 00:35:34 <joepie91> heh, credit the people who submit stuff :P
 78 2011-03-18 00:35:41 <joepie91> which is basically... all of anon
 79 2011-03-18 00:36:33 <genjix> i saw a new operation the other day to get loads of men from dating sites to meet up at the same place by posing as attractive wimmins
 80 2011-03-18 00:37:22 <genjix> i tried a few times to promote bitcoins to anon, but mostly they ignore it cos attention spans are low.
 81 2011-03-18 00:37:32 <joepie91> heh
 82 2011-03-18 00:37:33 <joepie91> actually
 83 2011-03-18 00:37:40 <joepie91> there are quite some bitcoin users on anonops
 84 2011-03-18 00:37:44 <joepie91> and I just lured in 3 or 4 new users
 85 2011-03-18 00:37:51 <joepie91> by promising them 0.50 :P
 86 2011-03-18 00:39:08 <genjix> maybe. you'd think it'd appealing.
 87 2011-03-18 00:39:25 <joepie91> subject regularly comes up there
 88 2011-03-18 00:39:29 <joepie91> made a bitcoin channel there yesterday
 89 2011-03-18 00:39:33 <joepie91> might help to promote it a bit
 90 2011-03-18 00:39:39 <genjix> esp considering all those posts about blogger cross linking
 91 2011-03-18 00:39:46 <genjix> for a few pennies.
 92 2011-03-18 00:40:35 <genjix> > pool funds
 93 2011-03-18 00:40:41 <genjix> > type lots of responses
 94 2011-03-18 00:40:55 <genjix> > pay chinese people to samefag threads
 95 2011-03-18 00:41:03 <joepie91> huh
 96 2011-03-18 00:41:06 <joepie91> blogger cross linking?
 97 2011-03-18 00:41:32 <genjix> yep. you get paid for high subscribing blogs that generate advertising traffic.
 98 2011-03-18 00:41:47 <genjix> so people make blogs and subscribe to each other on 4chan.
 99 2011-03-18 00:42:02 <genjix> surely you've seen the posts
100 2011-03-18 00:42:29 <joepie91> no :P
101 2011-03-18 00:42:33 <joepie91> I don't frequent /b/ often
102 2011-03-18 00:42:59 <genjix> oh
103 2011-03-18 00:43:41 <jgarzik> [Tycho], slush: any chance you can add Digest authentication to your pool server?  It is preferred over Basic, even though bitcoind does not support it.  Supporting Digest authentication is an easy way to make those worker auth's slightly more secure...
104 2011-03-18 00:45:34 <jgarzik> dwdollar: FYI, http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4504.0
105 2011-03-18 00:48:25 <dwdollar> Hey someone noticed on the forum...:) I'll respond.
106 2011-03-18 00:56:57 <gribble> MagicalTux was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 1 day, 14 hours, 25 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <MagicalTux> lfm: no :D
107 2011-03-18 00:56:57 <Keefe> ;;seen MagicalTux
108 2011-03-18 00:58:03 <joepie91> gribble very much reminds me of supybot
109 2011-03-18 00:58:13 <MagicalTux> Keefe, ?
110 2011-03-18 00:58:17 <joepie91> lol.
111 2011-03-18 00:58:33 <Keefe> hi MagicalTux.i hope you're still alright in Japan. just want to point out that a couple people might need some PR on the forum
112 2011-03-18 00:58:44 <Keefe> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4558.0
113 2011-03-18 00:59:06 <MagicalTux> Keefe, let me check
114 2011-03-18 00:59:20 <MagicalTux> right now being in a hotel with just a laptop and a 3G wifi adapter doesn't make things easy
115 2011-03-18 00:59:32 <MagicalTux> thanks for the info
116 2011-03-18 01:00:42 <joepie91> ;;help topic
117 2011-03-18 01:00:45 <gribble> (topic [<channel>]) -- Returns the topic for <channel>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
118 2011-03-18 01:00:50 <joepie91> ah, only works for channels here
119 2011-03-18 01:01:27 <gribble> doctype, fetch, headers, netcraft, size, title, urlquote, and urlunquote
120 2011-03-18 01:01:27 <joepie91> ;;list web
121 2011-03-18 01:01:38 <gribble> (web title <url>) -- Returns the HTML <title>...</title> of a URL.
122 2011-03-18 01:01:38 <joepie91> ;;help web title
123 2011-03-18 01:02:03 <joepie91> does freenode provide botserv?
124 2011-03-18 01:03:29 <joepie91> if there is _anything_ that kicks/bans users on command in the channels where gribble is active... it is exploitable :)
125 2011-03-18 01:03:49 <joepie91> (when gribble has a sufficient access level to command kicks/bans, that is)
126 2011-03-18 01:04:34 <gavinandresen> theymos here?
127 2011-03-18 01:04:37 <theymos> Yes.
128 2011-03-18 01:05:05 <gavinandresen> the -testnet block chain apparent split was probably me messing around with a lower-difficulty client hack
129 2011-03-18 01:05:37 <gavinandresen> ... I'm guessing block explorer assumes that blocks it sees actually have the right difficulty (it doesn't check, right)?
130 2011-03-18 01:05:51 <joepie91> ;;web title http://pastebin.com/47htWtX6
131 2011-03-18 01:05:51 <theymos> It doesn't, but it gets blocks from Bitcoin.
132 2011-03-18 01:05:52 <gribble> !kick I could exploit the bot like this - Pastebin.com
133 2011-03-18 01:05:58 <joepie91> ^
134 2011-03-18 01:06:31 <gavinandresen> Ah, so maybe it wasn't me (your bitcoin should definitely reject the blocks I was generating)
135 2011-03-18 01:07:12 <theymos> gavinandresen: Yeah. I'm pretty sure there was a real, large reorg (going at least 5 blocks back).
136 2011-03-18 01:07:42 <gavinandresen> theymos:  wouldn't surprise me, it's pretty easy to overwhelm testnet.
137 2011-03-18 01:08:01 <genjix> ;;web title http://pastebin.com/YnvcM3Ur
138 2011-03-18 01:08:02 <gribble> /kick gavinandresen - Pastebin.com
139 2011-03-18 01:08:04 <genjix> :D
140 2011-03-18 01:08:08 <joepie91> ye
141 2011-03-18 01:08:10 <joepie91> see my point? :P
142 2011-03-18 01:08:15 <genjix> nope.
143 2011-03-18 01:08:16 <joepie91> if you have a botserv...
144 2011-03-18 01:08:25 <joepie91> someone would have a problem now
145 2011-03-18 01:08:26 <joepie91> :P
146 2011-03-18 01:09:01 <joepie91> it's a sort of vulnerability in supybot
147 2011-03-18 01:09:07 <joepie91> not exactly a vuln either
148 2011-03-18 01:09:13 <joepie91> but definitely something that might need some work
149 2011-03-18 01:10:02 <genjix> i'll remember that for when such a bot exists. thanks.
150 2011-03-18 01:10:09 <genjix> handy tool.
151 2011-03-18 01:10:55 <genjix> seriously?
152 2011-03-18 01:11:11 <genjix> how can they suspend your domain
153 2011-03-18 01:11:24 <genjix> i suggest you go with someone who'll protect you.
154 2011-03-18 01:11:29 <genjix> like thepiratebay hosts
155 2011-03-18 01:11:45 <joepie91> mhmm
156 2011-03-18 01:11:51 <joepie91> my budget is relatively limited
157 2011-03-18 01:12:13 <joepie91> and tbh, I don't particularly expect them to actually shut me down or anything
158 2011-03-18 01:12:28 <joepie91> so far they have always been reasonable, even when paypal played up and I was a month late in paying my bills
159 2011-03-18 01:12:50 <joepie91> somehow they held the domain outside the 30 day "cool off" period
160 2011-03-18 01:12:56 <theymos> PRQ (pirate bay host) resells domains from another company, so that is not safe.
161 2011-03-18 01:12:57 <joepie91> so meh
162 2011-03-18 01:13:05 <joepie91> meh
163 2011-03-18 01:13:08 <joepie91> if ICANN wants you gone
164 2011-03-18 01:13:12 <joepie91> you are gone anyway
165 2011-03-18 01:14:31 <joepie91> anyhow
166 2011-03-18 01:14:34 <joepie91> I am going to sleep
167 2011-03-18 01:14:40 <joepie91> it's 3;14 already
168 2011-03-18 01:14:42 <joepie91> so goodnight all
169 2011-03-18 01:17:46 <genjix> bastards
170 2011-03-18 01:20:41 <MagicalTux> joepie91, it's 44 days autorenewal period
171 2011-03-18 01:20:46 <MagicalTux> then 7 days redemption
172 2011-03-18 01:23:27 <bitcoiner> drop of price...
173 2011-03-18 01:23:41 <bitcoiner> it goins down
174 2011-03-18 01:23:59 <bitcoiner> art u at it ?
175 2011-03-18 01:26:44 <MagicalTux> mmh
176 2011-03-18 01:28:07 <mmagic> lol, storm of activity, interesting.
177 2011-03-18 01:28:13 <ArtForz> nope, not me
178 2011-03-18 01:29:48 <MagicalTux> mh
179 2011-03-18 01:29:55 <MagicalTux> someone selling a bunch of btc
180 2011-03-18 01:30:05 <mmagic> bit of a top-heavy market that's for sure.
181 2011-03-18 01:31:10 <genjix> check my prediction and see the first posts, http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3396.0
182 2011-03-18 01:31:14 <theymos> Wow. I wish I had some money in MtGox or PayPal so I could buy.
183 2011-03-18 01:31:16 <genjix> what did i say? :)
184 2011-03-18 01:34:51 <mmagic> lol one blocker left , 6000 @ $0.72
185 2011-03-18 01:35:12 <Blitzboom> good
186 2011-03-18 01:35:33 <Blitzboom> we need someone to buy everything up, lol
187 2011-03-18 01:36:00 <mmagic> no, that's my point, all the buyers are having their orders satisfied
188 2011-03-18 01:36:27 <Blitzboom> yeah. this inflation is way too high in comparison to the new influx of funds
189 2011-03-18 01:36:42 <mmagic> not enough buyers..
190 2011-03-18 01:37:00 <Blitzboom> i still dont get why the inflation is highest to begin with in bitcoin
191 2011-03-18 01:37:12 <mmagic> i'm not sure what you're talking about.
192 2011-03-18 01:37:26 <Blitzboom> i mean the block reward
193 2011-03-18 01:37:46 <Blitzboom> it should be less and steadily going up as time passes, then decreasing again
194 2011-03-18 01:37:48 <mmagic> it's completely arbitrary and divisible to 8 decimal places..?
195 2011-03-18 01:37:55 <Blitzboom> but not a 50 BTC maximum at the first four years
196 2011-03-18 01:38:06 <mmagic> no, it's designed to be deflationary
197 2011-03-18 01:38:30 <Blitzboom> http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/images/2008/world-gold-mine-production-dec08.jpg
198 2011-03-18 01:38:34 <Blitzboom> this is the gold supply
199 2011-03-18 01:38:46 <Blitzboom> as more people begin to mine, you dig out more gold
200 2011-03-18 01:38:54 <Blitzboom> but gold is still finite and youll hit a peak
201 2011-03-18 01:39:32 <Blitzboom> maybe this would be economically better
202 2011-03-18 01:39:40 <ArtForz> wild-ass guess, someone is trying to move the market
203 2011-03-18 01:39:55 <mmagic> ? ` gold..
204 2011-03-18 01:40:27 <Blitzboom> mmagic: i never said that
205 2011-03-18 01:40:34 <ArtForz> fill a decent chunk of bids, plop down a lower bid totalling the same, ???, profit!
206 2011-03-18 01:40:38 <mmagic> i know, but you're making a comparison..
207 2011-03-18 01:40:47 <ArtForz> where ??? is "wait for sheep to panic sell"
208 2011-03-18 01:41:01 <mmagic> ArtForz: haha sounds familiar
209 2011-03-18 01:41:06 <Blitzboom> im just saying that the current inflation rate cannot keep up with the demand, mmagic
210 2011-03-18 01:41:33 <Blitzboom> err, the demand cannot keep up with the inflation
211 2011-03-18 01:41:55 <mmagic> Blitzboom: sure it can, because they're divisible. you can't take a gold coin and divide it up without re-smelting it and making sure that everyone agrees the new coin is a coin.
212 2011-03-18 01:42:20 <Blitzboom> i dont compare bitcoin to gold
213 2011-03-18 01:42:22 <mmagic> they've already agreed to the rules of ?, and it's divisible..
214 2011-03-18 01:42:29 <Blitzboom> im just looking at the inflation now
215 2011-03-18 01:42:42 <Blitzboom> and i think 50% of the total supply in the first four years of a currency is a bit high
216 2011-03-18 01:44:19 <sgornick> "Some people, when confronted with numbers, think "I know, I'll add them with JavaScript." Now they have 1.99999999999997 problems."  http://twitter.com/garybernhardt/status/47763404672344064
217 2011-03-18 01:44:21 <mmagic> Blitzboom: but why?
218 2011-03-18 01:44:38 <Blitzboom> mmagic: to prevent "bubbles" like this which could destroy the faith in the currency
219 2011-03-18 01:44:54 <ArtForz> oh well, can't complain, got ~1kbtc < $0.72
220 2011-03-18 01:44:57 <Blitzboom> and to distribute the bitcoins initially more even
221 2011-03-18 01:45:49 <mmagic> the bubbles/(opposite of bubbles) will happen anyway if you have a set rate of money production, based on demand and penetration
222 2011-03-18 01:46:22 <lfm> Blitzboom: you are not the first newbie to think bitcoin should be more generous to newbies and you wont be the last. it might be more convincing if it wasn't so self-serving.
223 2011-03-18 01:46:48 <Blitzboom> lfm: i dont care, i have many bitcoins
224 2011-03-18 01:46:54 <mmagic> i would say the nature of the reward is very fair. people who throw large $$/???/??? at it, are rewarded similarly.
225 2011-03-18 01:47:11 <Blitzboom> fairness is not my argument
226 2011-03-18 01:47:23 <Blitzboom> i just think it would be economically better
227 2011-03-18 01:47:33 <Blitzboom> no morals involved here
228 2011-03-18 01:48:01 <mmagic> then define "fair" as "self-servingly network-strengthening"
229 2011-03-18 01:48:10 <lfm> better for who tho? better in what way. seems bitcoin is actually doing quite well as it is
230 2011-03-18 01:48:16 <mmagic> else, what's the incentive to make the network stronger?
231 2011-03-18 01:48:50 <Blitzboom> yeah, i guess thats a good argument
232 2011-03-18 01:49:39 <mmagic> if you think there's a better way, or a more fair way, or a better economics-based reason (beyond just using the word) then post it, fork bitcoin, build a new genesis block, and see who joins. :)
233 2011-03-18 01:50:02 <Blitzboom> nah, im ok with this personally :P
234 2011-03-18 01:50:08 <Blitzboom> as i would profit
235 2011-03-18 01:50:29 <Blitzboom> i just hope that it wont discourage newcomers
236 2011-03-18 01:51:16 <mmagic> newcomers arrive with a sense of entitlement, and are drains because there's not much point in carrying people who aren't interested in actually strengthening the currency in its formative years.
237 2011-03-18 01:51:25 <lfm> you cant please everyone
238 2011-03-18 01:51:51 <mmagic> other newcomers don't, and those are the ones we need as long-term supporters.
239 2011-03-18 01:52:47 <Blitzboom> i still think its somewhat crazy to spit out 50% of an unknown currencys supply in the first four years
240 2011-03-18 01:53:03 <Blitzboom> although im not sure about the implications of this
241 2011-03-18 01:53:11 <Blitzboom> but well see
242 2011-03-18 01:53:49 <mmagic> i think spreading it around as widely as possible is the best way to get it into peoples' hands.
243 2011-03-18 01:53:59 <lfm> you think it should be less or more?
244 2011-03-18 01:54:20 <Blitzboom> less of course
245 2011-03-18 01:55:02 <mmagic> less..  but more evenly.
246 2011-03-18 01:55:49 <lfm> I don't see what stringing it out longer would accomplish
247 2011-03-18 01:56:06 <mmagic> you know, you really should make more effort to keep people from guessing what the heck you mean. why don't you go post on the forum a fully fleshed-out argument, put some historical data or analyses in there, etc.
248 2011-03-18 01:57:01 <lfm> well there is value is hashing it out here before trying to set it in stone
249 2011-03-18 01:57:21 <Blitzboom> mmagic: hm, i might do that. maybe some people will agree
250 2011-03-18 01:57:52 <Blitzboom> eliminating inflation by inflating very fast? paradox
251 2011-03-18 01:58:04 <mmagic> this isn't much of a hash-out. more of a suss-out, wittgenstein, "what do you mean?" q&a. :)
252 2011-03-18 01:59:09 <lfm> there is still a long tail of block rewards stretching out over 100 years
253 2011-03-18 02:20:26 <forrestv> anybody know the schedule for deepbit.net's payments?
254 2011-03-18 02:20:36 <validus> should be automatic
255 2011-03-18 02:20:49 <validus> just give it time for the server to see what your minimal payout is and for it to read up to it
256 2011-03-18 02:21:44 <forrestv> validus, http://u.forre.st/u/ojcywsjd/Screenshot-10.png q:
257 2011-03-18 02:23:01 <validus> you would have to ask tycho and ask him. ive gotten all mine automatic, though sometimes it went over the threshold i guess you could change it and hit save but im pretty sure the system reads it at a certain time, not sure
258 2011-03-18 02:28:43 <lfm> depends mostly on the threshold you set afaik
259 2011-03-18 02:29:02 <[Tycho]> Hello. Where is your problem ?
260 2011-03-18 02:30:06 <lfm> [Tycho]: forestv wanted to know something about the payment schedule for deepbit
261 2011-03-18 02:31:17 <validus> it could also just be that his shares went up that much and it hasnt sent yet
262 2011-03-18 02:32:15 <[Tycho]> I just forced out all waiting payments.
263 2011-03-18 02:32:49 <lfm> [Tycho]: was there some holdup?
264 2011-03-18 02:33:29 <[Tycho]> It was about 1.5 hours delay for forrestv.
265 2011-03-18 02:35:15 <[Tycho]> lfm, during beta stage my payment routine makes additional pause when there is already many small payments sent or if there is something unusual in queue. Nothing to worry about, usually i just check it at continue.
266 2011-03-18 02:35:58 <[Tycho]> I think that tomorrow i'll add a button for users to get their payment immediately.
267 2011-03-18 02:36:49 <forrestv> ah, thanks
268 2011-03-18 02:37:35 <[Tycho]> Today i already added some buttons to interface :)
269 2011-03-18 02:38:02 <validus> wallet and what other file do i need to move, i re installed
270 2011-03-18 02:38:21 <Blitzboom> just your wallet
271 2011-03-18 02:38:32 <Blitzboom> youll redownload the blocks
272 2011-03-18 02:38:53 <[Tycho]> You can keep your block chain too, it will be faster than redownloading.
273 2011-03-18 02:39:10 <validus> just making sure, gotta get that up once i figure out something else real quick
274 2011-03-18 02:39:31 <validus> does anyone have xchat blowfish encryption, either from mircryption or fish.sekure.la for blowfish, both sites are down :(
275 2011-03-18 02:39:51 <validus> well mircryption seems to have taken off xchat on their download page
276 2011-03-18 02:44:03 <forrestv> [Tycho], why is the balance updated once per hour? why not live, like the rest of the data?
277 2011-03-18 02:44:08 <dirtyfilthy> validus: what about OTR?
278 2011-03-18 02:44:20 <validus> otr?
279 2011-03-18 02:44:24 <[Tycho]> forrestv, to reduce cheating.
280 2011-03-18 02:44:30 <mmagic> otr rules
281 2011-03-18 02:44:51 <validus> as long as it is blowfish compatible
282 2011-03-18 02:44:55 <validus> and works with xchat
283 2011-03-18 02:45:23 <forrestv> [Tycho], cheating?
284 2011-03-18 02:45:32 <[Tycho]> Yes.
285 2011-03-18 02:45:33 <forrestv> you can calculate your balance from your shares ..
286 2011-03-18 02:45:50 <dirtyfilthy> eh don't know if it's blowfish compatible but it runs on a bunch of stuff including irssi (not sure about xchat) http://www.cypherpunks.ca/otr/
287 2011-03-18 02:46:05 <[Tycho]> forrestv, only in Pay-Per-Share mode.
288 2011-03-18 02:46:24 <validus> doesnt look like it :/
289 2011-03-18 02:46:48 <validus> i have encrypted only rooms and queries its kinda important. cant believe mirccryption doesnt have the link on their d/l page anymore. that was probably one of the best
290 2011-03-18 03:24:40 <mmagic> haha nobody's selling to mr. 6000@$0.72 guy..
291 2011-03-18 03:25:06 <luke-jr> lol
292 2011-03-18 03:25:22 <mmagic> oh well. if he is the one who sold down the line, then good. if not, then thanks to whoever you are for putting up a blocker against a lower price.
293 2011-03-18 03:25:49 <Blitzboom> maybe it was just one person desperately wanting to sell?
294 2011-03-18 03:26:34 <genjix> MM
295 2011-03-18 03:26:52 <Blitzboom> you think it was the MM?
296 2011-03-18 03:27:26 <Blitzboom> not sure how you come to that conclusion
297 2011-03-18 03:29:00 <genjix> so much intrigue in the btc community
298 2011-03-18 03:29:06 <genjix> who is satoshi?
299 2011-03-18 03:29:14 <genjix> and this MM? does he have a botnet?
300 2011-03-18 03:29:17 <genjix> silkroad
301 2011-03-18 03:29:20 <genjix> ... :)
302 2011-03-18 03:29:22 <Blitzboom> who cares?
303 2011-03-18 03:29:22 <genjix> love it
304 2011-03-18 03:29:54 <luke-jr> genjix: funny, there's so many privacy nuts, yet everyone wants to find out the private info ;)
305 2011-03-18 03:30:11 <genjix> Blitzboom: anybody who's interesting?
306 2011-03-18 03:30:48 <ArtForz> MMs known 50k are still sitting in the same address
307 2011-03-18 03:31:18 <genjix> how much is it that's moving the market?
308 2011-03-18 03:31:28 <genjix> i looked and it seemed to be a small amount ~7k
309 2011-03-18 03:32:01 <Blitzboom> it was, there were were few bids
310 2011-03-18 03:32:19 <genjix> meh 7k lol
311 2011-03-18 03:32:34 <genjix> i used to make 1k a week
312 2011-03-18 03:32:45 <Blitzboom> mining?
313 2011-03-18 03:32:51 <genjix> no work
314 2011-03-18 03:33:02 <genjix> thats a problem if bitcoin shifts so much
315 2011-03-18 03:33:22 <Blitzboom> too volatile, yeah. we need speculators
316 2011-03-18 03:33:24 <ArtForz> 10.5k
317 2011-03-18 03:34:10 <luke-jr> I speculate that the market will hit $1 by Sunday
318 2011-03-18 03:34:39 <Blitzboom> hahaha what? and wholl buy?
319 2011-03-18 03:34:59 <luke-jr> shrug, just a speculation
320 2011-03-18 03:35:21 <genjix> wish i had btc to bet u luke-jr
321 2011-03-18 03:35:23 <Blitzboom> speculation usually is based on SOMETHING
322 2011-03-18 03:35:38 <genjix> i would bet 1000 btc 60-40 odds with u
323 2011-03-18 03:36:04 <luke-jr> genjix: 1000 BTC is probably enough to accomplish it
324 2011-03-18 03:36:38 <Keefe> uh 1k btc to push back above $1? are you kidding?
325 2011-03-18 03:37:15 <Blitzboom> you wont even be able to push it above 0.9$ with this amount
326 2011-03-18 03:37:27 <ArtForz> make that 0.84 :P
327 2011-03-18 03:37:50 <Keefe> you'd need about $24000 to push above $1
328 2011-03-18 03:38:15 <Blitzboom> Keefe: where do you see that?
329 2011-03-18 03:38:22 <Keefe> http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/mtgoxUSD.html
330 2011-03-18 03:38:23 <Blitzboom> id have to sum up all asks in the orderbook
331 2011-03-18 03:38:27 <mmagic> he's just multiplying the current orders.
332 2011-03-18 03:38:48 <Blitzboom> thanks
333 2011-03-18 03:39:02 <mmagic> there's some big 2-4k blocks in there you'd have to churn through
334 2011-03-18 03:39:19 <ArtForz> and who knows how many dark pool orders
335 2011-03-18 03:39:29 <mmagic> but now i'm not sure: does mtgox allow you to buy/sell at other than current market prices?
336 2011-03-18 03:39:45 <Blitzboom> sure it does?
337 2011-03-18 03:39:48 <ArtForz> yup
338 2011-03-18 03:39:56 <Blitzboom> you set the price and the order gets filled eventually
339 2011-03-18 03:40:00 <Keefe> or not
340 2011-03-18 03:40:31 <mmagic> no, I mean like the other way. like say you wanted to sell 1000@$0.56, specifically and nothing higher.
341 2011-03-18 03:40:40 <mmagic> or buy @ $1.5 specifically and nothing lower.
342 2011-03-18 03:40:42 <Keefe> why?
343 2011-03-18 03:40:56 <mmagic> why not?
344 2011-03-18 03:41:01 <Keefe> that's stupid
345 2011-03-18 03:41:08 <Blitzboom> very much so
346 2011-03-18 03:41:19 <mmagic> ???_???
347 2011-03-18 03:41:41 <Keefe> if you put in a bid at $1.5, you'll get the btc you want, but at a much cheaper price than $1.5
348 2011-03-18 03:42:07 <mmagic> it's a valid question; there are sheep (or were) and fiddling with the price like that can also be a way to ensure that the btc passes only between two specific peoples' hands.
349 2011-03-18 03:42:15 <mmagic> but, *via* the market.
350 2011-03-18 03:42:59 <Keefe> if you want to pass money from one to another that way, paying mtgox 1.3%, you just choose a price inbetween the current bid/ask
351 2011-03-18 03:43:25 <mmagic> unless they have agreed to pay you more, or less, and you have also agreed.
352 2011-03-18 03:44:21 <mmagic> look, the reason why is kind of irrelevant. it's a question of future potential motility???the ability to do more, in the event that the need may arise in the future to do so.
353 2011-03-18 03:44:42 <Keefe> give me a more detailed example and i'll explain
354 2011-03-18 03:45:22 <Keefe> person A has what? person B has what? and what do they want to end up with?
355 2011-03-18 03:47:13 <mmagic> person X and person Y meet on.. i2p, say. one agrees to sell the other ?1200 for $2400 LR. they agree that the intermediary mtgox can serve as a useful transaction point to minimize risk. it is a transfer of wealth, with a total sum, and they aren't interested in participating with/enriching anyone else in the market.
356 2011-03-18 03:49:14 <mmagic> they don't want to know ? addresses; they don't want to know LR accounts.
357 2011-03-18 03:49:47 <mmagic> the price point, in this example, serves as a kind of transactional facilitator.
358 2011-03-18 04:07:34 <Keefe> mmagic: ok, i think what i don't understand is why would one want to pay $2400 LR for 1200 BTC and use mtgox when there are lower asks
359 2011-03-18 04:08:39 <Keefe> if he's going to use mtgox at all, what difference does it make whether he gets 1200 BTC for $2400 LR or for $1000 LR, besides he'd have $1400 more to keep?
360 2011-03-18 04:08:43 <mmagic> previous nefarious relationship and a sense of obligation to pay out whoever gets the long end of the stick, I guess.
361 2011-03-18 04:10:06 <mmagic> this is entirely a rhetorical construct. the point is that it could be an option. or, say someone just wants to manipulate the ticker.
362 2011-03-18 04:10:25 <mmagic> hey there's that bot again.
363 2011-03-18 04:11:08 <mmagic> Bid up:  2013.87 @ $0.7291   per (from    13.87)|  New bid:   265.26 @ $0.729101 per|  Del bid:   265.95 @ $0.725002 per
364 2011-03-18 04:11:11 <Keefe> well, i don't see a reason why the exchange should allow manipulation of the ticker, but as for needing to pay up a previous agreement i see what you're saying...
365 2011-03-18 04:11:56 <mmagic> Keefe: I freely admit that it is entirely a bogus construct. My original query was just about whether it could be done, I guess. anyway, mental exercise only. :)
366 2011-03-18 04:12:24 <Keefe> it seems to boil down to simply one needing to give BTC to the other
367 2011-03-18 04:12:31 <Blitzboom> another 2k bid at mt.gox now
368 2011-03-18 04:12:41 <mmagic> in the example, definitely. :)
369 2011-03-18 04:12:43 <Blitzboom> looks like this 0.7$ will hold
370 2011-03-18 04:12:47 <Keefe> without revealing their btc addresses i gues
371 2011-03-18 04:13:23 <mmagic> did you spot the bot withdrawing, then resubmitting a new bid above the 2k?
372 2011-03-18 04:13:59 <Keefe> it just seems to be not suited to a market
373 2011-03-18 04:14:28 <mmagic> depending on how many resources the bot has, I'm feel confident that part of the reason why it's harder to sell is that the bot is picking up essentially all the small-time slack.
374 2011-03-18 04:16:19 <mmagic> there needs to be a second bot which can pick out the pattern of the first. it's like a game of corewars..
375 2011-03-18 04:17:53 <mmagic> if that bot continues to do that, i'm going to write one which doesn't make a profit and plays just outside the two sides of the mtgox fee.
376 2011-03-18 04:50:39 <forrestv> some transactions i sent haven't had any confirmations yet, and it's been an hour. what gives?
377 2011-03-18 04:52:06 <ZenMondo> how many peers are you connected to?  I don't know if that has any bearing its just the first thing I thought of
378 2011-03-18 04:52:33 <forrestv> 60 connections?
379 2011-03-18 04:53:13 <Syke_> Do you see the transaction in http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/
380 2011-03-18 04:55:00 <forrestv> Syke_, yes, both. what does that mean?
381 2011-03-18 04:55:22 <Syke_> they're in the queue. no miner has included them in solved blocks
382 2011-03-18 04:56:29 <Syke_> the only thing I can think of is miners are coming on and offline, so not all miners see all transactions
383 2011-03-18 05:04:45 <dissipate> this is weird, i have 0 connections on my client
384 2011-03-18 05:04:54 <dissipate> anyone else having trouble connecting to peers?
385 2011-03-18 05:07:53 <jgarzik> c'mon miners.  mint a darned block, already!
386 2011-03-18 05:08:21 <ZenMondo> is this one late?
387 2011-03-18 05:08:25 <Blitzboom> dissipate: nope
388 2011-03-18 05:08:56 <Diablo-D3> dissipate: through tor?
389 2011-03-18 05:09:08 <dissipate> Diablo-D3, nope
390 2011-03-18 05:09:13 <dissipate> weird, i only have 1 connection
391 2011-03-18 05:09:15 <Diablo-D3> did you remember to forward 8333 TCP?
392 2011-03-18 05:09:23 <dissipate> Diablo-D3, yep. it is forwarded.
393 2011-03-18 05:09:34 <dissipate> even if it wasn't i would definitely have 8 connections by now.
394 2011-03-18 05:09:40 <Diablo-D3> weird.
395 2011-03-18 05:09:50 <dissipate> now i'm up to 2
396 2011-03-18 05:11:28 <forrestv> hmm ... could adding a comment to a txn prevent it from being confirmed?
397 2011-03-18 05:12:07 <dissipate> just the other night i had over 80 connections
398 2011-03-18 05:14:26 <Syke_> I have 41 connections
399 2011-03-18 05:15:54 <genjix> MagicalTux: are your prices for VPS accurate?
400 2011-03-18 05:16:19 <genjix> MagicalTux: they seem a bit expensive... maybe you forgot to update them?
401 2011-03-18 05:16:33 <mburns> hi all
402 2011-03-18 05:31:08 <lfm> hi
403 2011-03-18 05:32:19 <validus> the page to ati's older app sdk's is erroring. how ghey
404 2011-03-18 05:42:33 <validus> anyone have a linux 64 bit copy of the ati sdk 2.1 or 2.2
405 2011-03-18 05:48:03 <validus> n/m
406 2011-03-18 05:49:50 <Aciid> ;;later tell lartza yes?
407 2011-03-18 05:49:50 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
408 2011-03-18 05:59:00 <jgarzik> cpuminer w/ long polling support in git.  Windows test binary:  http://yyz.us/bitcoin/cpuminer-installer-0.7.2-lp1.zip
409 2011-03-18 05:59:14 <jgarzik> for Linux, you'll need to build from git
410 2011-03-18 05:59:37 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
411 2011-03-18 05:59:37 <jgarzik> ;;later tell jgarzik ;;later tell gribble ;;later tell recursive later!
412 2011-03-18 06:05:23 <forrestv> do miners ignore transactions with a comment or something ... ?
413 2011-03-18 06:05:37 <forrestv> i made a txn with a comment and it has 0 confirmations after about two hours
414 2011-03-18 06:06:37 <lfm> comments are only used on txn by ip number address
415 2011-03-18 06:08:55 <lfm> if you did it from a command line send the comment is probably ignored
416 2011-03-18 06:10:49 <lfm> forrestv: also did you see the answer from [Tycho] ?
417 2011-03-18 06:12:28 <forrestv> ahh..
418 2011-03-18 06:12:34 <forrestv> yes
419 2011-03-18 08:46:09 <sipa> ;;bc,calc 50000
420 2011-03-18 08:46:10 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 50000 Khps, given current difficulty of 76193.9710474 , is 10 weeks, 5 days, 18 hours, 3 minutes, and 32 seconds
421 2011-03-18 08:46:15 <sipa> ;;bc,gen 50000
422 2011-03-18 08:46:16 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 50000 Khps, given current difficulty of 76193.9710474 , is 0.660044598518 BTC per day and 0.0275018582716 BTC per hour.
423 2011-03-18 09:36:01 <validus> http://www.lattyware.co.uk/personal/G15H/
424 2011-03-18 09:41:36 <genjix> nanotube: how can i download the pgp keys? http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php
425 2011-03-18 09:43:38 <sipa> gpg --recv-key <KEYDI>
426 2011-03-18 09:43:56 <genjix> derp
427 2011-03-18 09:44:04 <sipa> <KEYID> that is
428 2011-03-18 09:44:06 <genjix> where to click to download them.
429 2011-03-18 09:44:42 <sipa> depends, there are some web-interfaces to pgp key databases
430 2011-03-18 09:44:58 <sipa> or in a gnupg gui program, you can probably click "receive keys" somewhere
431 2011-03-18 09:45:12 <genjix> oh cool so bitcoin-otc is a keyserver?
432 2011-03-18 09:45:16 <sipa> no
433 2011-03-18 09:45:31 <sipa> it just lists the id's of the public gpg keys of those people
434 2011-03-18 09:45:38 <sipa> the keys themselves you need to get somewhere else
435 2011-03-18 09:45:44 <genjix> ok well im asking how to download their keys
436 2011-03-18 09:45:49 <sipa> well i'm telling you
437 2011-03-18 09:45:53 <sipa> gpg --recv-key <KEYID>
438 2011-03-18 09:46:25 <genjix> that
439 2011-03-18 09:46:26 <genjix> is
440 2011-03-18 09:46:28 <genjix> amazing
441 2011-03-18 09:46:51 <genjix> gpg wins me over once more. i did not know all the keys were stored in one central server.
442 2011-03-18 09:47:07 <sipa> they're not
443 2011-03-18 09:47:19 <sipa> it's a network of servers, that synchronize with eachother
444 2011-03-18 09:47:20 <genjix> do you have to upload them yourself?
445 2011-03-18 09:47:28 <sipa> your own key? yes
446 2011-03-18 09:47:32 <genjix> ok
447 2011-03-18 09:47:33 <sipa> gpg --send-key <MYKEYID>
448 2011-03-18 09:48:18 <genjix> ok... not sure i will do that tho
449 2011-03-18 09:48:41 <genjix> want to stay off the grid.
450 2011-03-18 09:48:48 <genjix> thanks sipa for this little tutorial
451 2011-03-18 09:50:34 <RBecker> ;;bc,blocks
452 2011-03-18 09:50:36 <gribble> 114003
453 2011-03-18 10:19:38 <eps1> ;;bc,stats
454 2011-03-18 10:19:40 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114008 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 903 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 3 hours, 34 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 66710.70284711
455 2011-03-18 10:20:25 <xelister> ATTACK OF MYSTERIOUS MINER
456 2011-03-18 10:50:47 <Aciid> not fucking again
457 2011-03-18 10:51:31 <Aciid> http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin-10k.png
458 2011-03-18 10:52:58 <xelister> nvidia!
459 2011-03-18 10:53:00 <xelister> radeon!
460 2011-03-18 10:53:03 <xelister> OpenCL!
461 2011-03-18 10:53:05 <xelister> linux!
462 2011-03-18 10:53:10 <xelister> by your powers combined
463 2011-03-18 10:53:18 <xelister> I am ... cpt Mysterious Miner!
464 2011-03-18 10:53:25 <xelister> to put you all out of business
465 2011-03-18 10:53:27 <xelister> >_>
466 2011-03-18 10:54:09 <sipa> oh noes it's cpt. Mysterious Miner
467 2011-03-18 12:00:45 <NxTitle> ;;bc,calc 1200000
468 2011-03-18 12:00:47 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1200000 Khps, given current difficulty of 76193.9710474 , is 3 days, 3 hours, 45 minutes, and 8 seconds
469 2011-03-18 12:00:58 <NxTitle> I need to get 2x5970
470 2011-03-18 12:01:37 <Lartza> Aciid: Hi! You're finnish?
471 2011-03-18 12:02:16 <Lartza> I haven't got my bitcoin faucet bitcoins :S
472 2011-03-18 12:02:27 <Lartza> Does 8333 need to be open for that?
473 2011-03-18 12:02:44 <Lartza> oh it still is downloading blocks and stuff like that :S
474 2011-03-18 12:03:05 <joepie91> someone hates me, apparently.
475 2011-03-18 12:03:08 <Lartza> Why? :)
476 2011-03-18 12:03:19 <joepie91> someone tried to impersonate me on anonops
477 2011-03-18 12:03:24 <joepie91> and after reading his hostname
478 2011-03-18 12:03:28 <joepie91> I thought it was a bit familiar...
479 2011-03-18 12:03:42 <Lartza> :P
480 2011-03-18 12:03:47 <joepie91> and it was the same guy that acunetix'd my personal site and when he couldn\t find anything ddosed it
481 2011-03-18 12:03:49 <joepie91> or wel
482 2011-03-18 12:03:50 <joepie91> well*
483 2011-03-18 12:03:51 <joepie91> dosed*
484 2011-03-18 12:04:10 <joepie91> and around that exact same time, dynadot gets a complaint about my domain
485 2011-03-18 12:04:19 <joepie91> and leaseweb gets a complaint about one of the irc servers
486 2011-03-18 12:04:24 <joepie91> the irc server is not mine
487 2011-03-18 12:04:27 <Lartza> How many blocks does bitcoin receive on first start?
488 2011-03-18 12:04:31 <joepie91> so the guy probably does not just hate me
489 2011-03-18 12:04:31 <Lartza> joepie91: :)
490 2011-03-18 12:04:34 <sipa> Lartza: all
491 2011-03-18 12:04:35 <NxTitle> all of them
492 2011-03-18 12:04:37 <gribble> 114014
493 2011-03-18 12:04:37 <sipa> ;;bc,blocks
494 2011-03-18 12:04:42 <NxTitle> ^
495 2011-03-18 12:04:45 <Lartza> 87000!
496 2011-03-18 12:04:46 <Lartza> :)
497 2011-03-18 12:04:49 <Lartza> Thanks
498 2011-03-18 12:59:25 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
499 2011-03-18 12:59:27 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114018 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 893 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 1 hour, 55 minutes, and 5 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 66502.04790734
500 2011-03-18 13:08:56 <mizerydearia> May I have feedback on some documentations I wrote?  http://witcoin.com/help
501 2011-03-18 13:09:45 <Lartza> It's been a really long time and I haven't received the faucet payment :/
502 2011-03-18 13:09:53 <Lartza> Does 8333 have to be open?
503 2011-03-18 13:10:16 <gavinandresen> mizerydearia:  font size is too small for my getting-old-eyes
504 2011-03-18 13:10:24 <gavinandresen> Lartza:  do you have all the blocks?
505 2011-03-18 13:10:24 <validus> thats why you adjust it
506 2011-03-18 13:10:27 <validus> :P
507 2011-03-18 13:10:55 <Lartza> gavinandresen: Oh damn thought I did :)
508 2011-03-18 13:10:59 <Lartza> Still mising few hundred
509 2011-03-18 13:11:02 <Lartza> *missing
510 2011-03-18 13:13:32 <gavinandresen> mizerydearia:  could you make the documentation more fun?  Maybe a screen shot with popups that appear when you hover over UI elements?  The "navigate to this" / "navigate to that" are clear... but not fun.
511 2011-03-18 13:13:46 <mizerydearia> hmm
512 2011-03-18 13:14:00 <gavinandresen> (I know, lots of work, and who reads help anyway?)
513 2011-03-18 13:14:10 <validus> what kind of photos do you need
514 2011-03-18 13:14:59 <mizerydearia> maybe I can make a kind of interactive help page
515 2011-03-18 13:15:10 <mizerydearia> or include it in the help page
516 2011-03-18 13:15:52 <gavinandresen> yeah, something like that'd be nifty
517 2011-03-18 13:16:54 <mizerydearia> gavinandresen, ooh, btw, would you like to participate in the site and add charity for the faucet?
518 2011-03-18 13:17:22 <gavinandresen> I was just posting a reply on the 'what charities' page
519 2011-03-18 13:17:26 <mizerydearia> ^_^
520 2011-03-18 13:20:40 <Lartza> RPC isn't working :S
521 2011-03-18 13:20:48 <Lartza> I think... BitcoinDroid
522 2011-03-18 13:21:11 <validus> is there a way to use ldd to reply of where the program is looking for the library at, i have the file installed but i dont know where its looking
523 2011-03-18 13:21:38 <Lartza> port scan shows responding on 8333 and 8332
524 2011-03-18 13:27:08 <Lartza> I can't use bitcoind to get status of my bitcoin daemon
525 2011-03-18 13:27:11 <Lartza> :/
526 2011-03-18 13:27:21 <Lartza> complains about config
527 2011-03-18 13:28:43 <Lartza> I have no info on my bitcoin daemon on the headless server :/
528 2011-03-18 13:29:01 <LobsterMan> i sent myself a few transactions of a few btc each from one of my nodes to the other like 25mins ago
529 2011-03-18 13:29:02 <LobsterMan> all but one of them has gone through, and the one which hasn't is still "0/unconfirmed"
530 2011-03-18 13:29:56 <LobsterMan> it was telling me i needed to pay a fee to send all of the coins, but i didn't want to pay so i tried to break the transaction up into a bunch of smaller ones
531 2011-03-18 13:30:39 <LobsterMan> this worked, but it's been 5 blocks now and one of the tx's is still unconfirmed :\n340854
532 2011-03-18 13:36:49 <mizerydearia> TD, yeah, that's not really a bug
533 2011-03-18 13:37:01 <mizerydearia> although it is kind of inconveniencing
534 2011-03-18 13:37:04 <validus> im not finding where its looking for the files at that are installed but reading its not
535 2011-03-18 13:37:17 <TD> maybe bounce the user via http://witcoin.com/login or something to get them on the right domain?
536 2011-03-18 13:37:32 <mizerydearia> I'll see what I can do
537 2011-03-18 13:45:25 <LobsterMan> Status: 0/unconfirmed, broadcast through 50 nodes
538 2011-03-18 13:45:52 <joepie91> I've had a payment that got its first confirmation after 2 hours
539 2011-03-18 13:45:58 <joepie91> so it's probably ok :P
540 2011-03-18 13:46:03 <mizerydearia> TD, Actually, it seems that I already bounce to witcoin.com/getwitit.  However, which page did you come from?  I may have missed fixing it in one area.
541 2011-03-18 13:46:17 <LobsterMan> why does it take so long to confirm them sometimes?
542 2011-03-18 13:46:28 <joepie91> no idea tbh
543 2011-03-18 13:46:48 <sipa> small payments, no fee?
544 2011-03-18 13:47:08 <mizerydearia> Ah, I see
545 2011-03-18 13:47:10 <mizerydearia> I'll fix it
546 2011-03-18 13:47:46 <LobsterMan> yes it was one of many small payments i sent to myself to avoid having to pay a fee
547 2011-03-18 13:47:55 <LobsterMan> i think it may heve just been worth paying the fee at this rate <_<
548 2011-03-18 13:50:45 <mizerydearia> fixed
549 2011-03-18 13:50:52 <miner_> ;;bc,gen 700000
550 2011-03-18 13:50:53 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 700000 Khps, given current difficulty of 76193.9710474 , is 9.24062437926 BTC per day and 0.385026015802 BTC per hour.
551 2011-03-18 13:51:10 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,gen 115000
552 2011-03-18 13:51:11 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 115000 Khps, given current difficulty of 76193.9710474 , is 1.51810257659 BTC per day and 0.0632542740247 BTC per hour.
553 2011-03-18 13:51:19 <gribble> (bc,gend <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo The expected generation output, at $1 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of $2, is [math calc 50*24*60*60 / (1/((2**224-1)/$2*$1*1000/2**256))] BTC per day and [math calc 50*60*60 / (1/((2**224-1)/$2*$1*1000/2**256))] BTC per hour.".
554 2011-03-18 13:51:19 <miner_> ;;bc,gend 700000,65000
555 2011-03-18 13:51:32 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,gen 115000,65000
556 2011-03-18 13:51:33 <gribble> Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
557 2011-03-18 13:51:37 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 700000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 65000, is 10.8319979448 BTC per day and 0.451333247698 BTC per hour.
558 2011-03-18 13:51:37 <miner_> ;;bc,gend 700000 65000
559 2011-03-18 13:51:40 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,gend 115000,65000
560 2011-03-18 13:51:41 <gribble> (bc,gend <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo The expected generation output, at $1 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of $2, is [math calc 50*24*60*60 / (1/((2**224-1)/$2*$1*1000/2**256))] BTC per day and [math calc 50*60*60 / (1/((2**224-1)/$2*$1*1000/2**256))] BTC per hour.".
561 2011-03-18 13:51:49 <LobsterMan> lol
562 2011-03-18 13:51:52 <forrestv> noobs
563 2011-03-18 13:51:54 <LobsterMan> i think gribble has a problem
564 2011-03-18 13:52:04 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
565 2011-03-18 13:52:04 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,gend 115000, 65000
566 2011-03-18 13:52:14 <LobsterMan> wat
567 2011-03-18 13:52:21 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 115000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 65000, is 1.7795425195 BTC per day and 0.074147604979 BTC per hour.
568 2011-03-18 13:52:21 <miner_> ;;bc,gend 115000 65000
569 2011-03-18 13:52:39 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,gend 115000 65000
570 2011-03-18 13:52:40 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 115000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 65000, is 1.7795425195 BTC per day and 0.074147604979 BTC per hour.
571 2011-03-18 13:52:41 <LobsterMan> hah
572 2011-03-18 13:53:02 <gribble> Error: "bs,stats" is not a valid command.
573 2011-03-18 13:53:02 <miner_> ;;bs,stats
574 2011-03-18 13:53:08 <miner_> ;;bc,stats
575 2011-03-18 13:53:10 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114026 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 885 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 23 hours, 24 minutes, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 66695.16367476
576 2011-03-18 13:54:37 <LobsterMan> once i send a transaction, can i turn off the node that was the sender?
577 2011-03-18 13:54:46 <LobsterMan> assuming it's popped up on my receiving end's node
578 2011-03-18 13:55:53 <validus> when in doubt wait for verified
579 2011-03-18 13:56:08 <luke-jr> when in doubt, kill luke
580 2011-03-18 13:56:09 <luke-jr> wait
581 2011-03-18 13:56:14 <LobsterMan> o_0
582 2011-03-18 13:56:16 <validus> lol
583 2011-03-18 13:56:19 <joepie91> when in doubt, doubt the wait
584 2011-03-18 13:56:24 <joepie91> errr
585 2011-03-18 13:56:25 <joepie91> derp
586 2011-03-18 13:56:28 <joepie91> when in doubt, doubt the when*
587 2011-03-18 13:56:34 <luke-jr> WIDKL <-- common saying in another channel
588 2011-03-18 13:56:52 <validus> thats actually not suprising
589 2011-03-18 13:56:54 <validus> hehe
590 2011-03-18 13:56:59 <luke-jr> #yandere :P
591 2011-03-18 13:57:17 <luke-jr> IRC game
592 2011-03-18 14:00:15 <sipa> ;;bc,stats
593 2011-03-18 14:00:17 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114026 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 885 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 23 hours, 24 minutes, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 66695.16367476
594 2011-03-18 14:06:05 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,calcd 115000 65000
595 2011-03-18 14:06:06 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 115000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 65000, is 4 weeks, 0 days, 2 hours, 19 minutes, and 50 seconds
596 2011-03-18 14:26:45 <Lartza> Aciid: Still trying to reach you :)
597 2011-03-18 14:28:05 <BlueMatt> Lartza: have you tried ;;later tell?
598 2011-03-18 14:28:20 <Lartza> No
599 2011-03-18 14:28:27 <Lartza> *I haven't
600 2011-03-18 14:28:46 <BlueMatt> ;;later tell Lartza this will be sent to you by gribble when you next send a message
601 2011-03-18 14:28:47 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
602 2011-03-18 14:29:05 <Lartza> Interesting
603 2011-03-18 14:29:39 <Lartza> I'll try that if I have to go offline again thanks :)
604 2011-03-18 14:29:53 <Lartza> I wondered how the gribble message from Aciid came to me
605 2011-03-18 14:41:18 <Lartza> I don't get this witcoin... you have to pay to post/reply etc. and you profit from posting/replying etc.
606 2011-03-18 14:42:31 <BlueMatt> I agree, I think its kind of pointless but the idea is to cut out spam and such with small microtxes to post
607 2011-03-18 14:43:14 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,calc 930
608 2011-03-18 14:43:15 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 930 Khps, given current difficulty of 76193.9710474 , is 11 years, 8 weeks, 1 day, 17 hours, 6 minutes, and 20 seconds
609 2011-03-18 14:43:17 <BlueMatt> which bitcoin is ideal for
610 2011-03-18 14:43:31 <BlueMatt> LobsterMan: might not be worth the electricity
611 2011-03-18 14:43:34 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 930 Khps, given current difficulty of 76193.9710474 , is 0.0122768295324 BTC per day and 0.000511534563852 BTC per hour.
612 2011-03-18 14:43:34 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,gen 930
613 2011-03-18 14:43:44 <LobsterMan> yeah lol this is my other computer
614 2011-03-18 14:43:48 <Lartza> BlueMatt: But I don't get it how one gets money bitcoins from it :S
615 2011-03-18 14:44:12 <BlueMatt> Lartza: ...?
616 2011-03-18 14:44:21 <Lartza> *gets bitcoins
617 2011-03-18 14:44:39 <BlueMatt> people pay to comment on your story and you get those right?
618 2011-03-18 14:45:01 <BlueMatt> Ive never used it
619 2011-03-18 14:45:05 <echelon> a portion
620 2011-03-18 14:45:13 <echelon> from each reply
621 2011-03-18 14:45:30 <echelon> and votes
622 2011-03-18 14:45:59 <Lartza> I need more bitcoins so I can try things :P
623 2011-03-18 14:46:07 <echelon> yeah
624 2011-03-18 14:47:31 <[Tycho]> Lartza, buy some :) Or try mining.
625 2011-03-18 14:47:43 <Lartza> [Tycho]: Listtle slow computer :S
626 2011-03-18 14:47:46 <BlueMatt> yes, please support the market and buy some
627 2011-03-18 14:47:56 <[Tycho]> Lartza, buy some GPUs :)
628 2011-03-18 14:48:01 <Lartza> How can I see my generation speed?
629 2011-03-18 14:48:32 <[Tycho]> Do you have a modern graphic accelerator ?
630 2011-03-18 14:48:54 <Lartza> No
631 2011-03-18 14:49:12 <validus> fancy speak for a gpu
632 2011-03-18 14:49:13 <validus> :P
633 2011-03-18 14:51:06 <Lartza> ads and then visit the site with Tor repeatedly! :P
634 2011-03-18 14:51:13 <Lartza> :)
635 2011-03-18 14:54:33 <Lartza> Okey... people are selling movie/TV rips in witcoin
636 2011-03-18 14:54:39 <validus> :/
637 2011-03-18 14:54:40 <Lartza> And seems there is no way to report posts...
638 2011-03-18 14:54:46 <validus> thats sad
639 2011-03-18 14:54:55 <Lartza> since witcoin is the one getting in trouble from allowing copyrihgt infirgement
640 2011-03-18 14:55:07 <validus> ya hollywood is best kept private
641 2011-03-18 14:55:20 <validus> not out like that espically with the  guy that just got in trouble for just posting links
642 2011-03-18 14:55:41 <validus> just send an email to the webmaster on it about all you can do, if they leave it they leave it
643 2011-03-18 14:56:39 <Lartza> GLad I live in Europe :)
644 2011-03-18 14:56:53 <Lartza> Not that I would get in trouble for anything
645 2011-03-18 14:57:14 <joepie91> sigh
646 2011-03-18 14:57:20 <Lartza> But America's laws are going stupid with wiretapping of private computers soon allowed for police's
647 2011-03-18 14:57:22 <joepie91> you guys followed operation metal gear?
648 2011-03-18 14:57:33 <Lartza> or FBI not sure about police
649 2011-03-18 14:57:42 <validus> i hate to break it to ya but its just not usa
650 2011-03-18 14:57:47 <Lartza> I know
651 2011-03-18 14:57:47 <validus> as much as people would love it to just be
652 2011-03-18 14:58:27 <joepie91> ...anyone?
653 2011-03-18 14:58:43 <Lartza> joepie91: Nope sorry
654 2011-03-18 14:59:03 <joepie91> might be relevant to bitcoin as well, if it would grow bigger
655 2011-03-18 14:59:16 <joepie91> http://anonnews.org/?p=press&a=item&i=752
656 2011-03-18 14:59:24 <joepie91> that is the tl;dr
657 2011-03-18 14:59:32 <joepie91> relevant radio show from radio payback: http://ge.tt/5tzZlkq
658 2011-03-18 14:59:53 <joepie91> if you have the time, it's best to listen to the radio show
659 2011-03-18 14:59:58 <joepie91> to get an explanation of how it works
660 2011-03-18 15:00:15 <joepie91> comes down to a digital "army" of sockpuppets
661 2011-03-18 15:00:36 <joepie91> that could "poison the well" to suppress something
662 2011-03-18 15:05:45 <Lartza> validus: Funny thing... only contact there is IRC and the discussion forums :D
663 2011-03-18 15:11:34 <validus> can someone tell me something thats in wallet.dat that might help me find which dat file contains it
664 2011-03-18 15:12:49 <joepie91> umm..?
665 2011-03-18 15:14:33 <validus> i have lots of dat files and other files recovered but not saved in any type of filename really
666 2011-03-18 15:14:46 <validus> so i was cat |grep to find things inside of them to try to see if that would work
667 2011-03-18 15:14:52 <joepie91> oh
668 2011-03-18 15:14:57 <joepie91> eh
669 2011-03-18 15:14:58 <joepie91> lemme check
670 2011-03-18 15:16:47 <joepie91> validus: grep for TransactionFee
671 2011-03-18 15:17:17 <joepie91> otherwise, grep for fromaccount
672 2011-03-18 15:17:46 <validus> heh think im going to have to try another program
673 2011-03-18 15:19:26 <joepie91> for recovery you mean?
674 2011-03-18 15:19:29 <joepie91> howso?
675 2011-03-18 15:19:57 <validus> ya this was photorec it has things recovered but mostly jibberish. even sorted but not looking very promising
676 2011-03-18 15:20:01 <validus> checking out some other options
677 2011-03-18 15:20:21 <joepie91> ah
678 2011-03-18 15:20:22 <joepie91> what OS?
679 2011-03-18 15:20:31 <Tril> validus: look for fGenerateBitcoins
680 2011-03-18 15:20:33 <joepie91> no windows I guess?
681 2011-03-18 15:20:38 <validus> im in mint
682 2011-03-18 15:20:40 <joepie91> ah
683 2011-03-18 15:20:42 <validus> was a windows partition its not there now
684 2011-03-18 15:20:46 <joepie91> pcinspector is GREAT
685 2011-03-18 15:20:49 <joepie91> but it only runs on windows
686 2011-03-18 15:21:01 <joepie91> I've recovered shit from a completely defunct drive with that
687 2011-03-18 15:21:17 <validus> i had ntfs undelete in windows
688 2011-03-18 15:21:24 <validus> but i only have windows in vm's atm, i guess i could try that
689 2011-03-18 15:21:33 <validus> mount them as networked drives
690 2011-03-18 15:22:28 <joepie91> hm
691 2011-03-18 15:22:31 <joepie91> dunno if that works
692 2011-03-18 15:22:41 <joepie91> I know pcinspector somehow does direct disk access
693 2011-03-18 15:22:47 <joepie91> it bypasses the entire windows part afaik
694 2011-03-18 15:23:07 <joepie91> it's written by a professional disk recovery company, so not a surprise that it's a bit more heavy duty :P
695 2011-03-18 15:23:13 <validus> most of em do but thats only way i could think of how a vm could read the drives
696 2011-03-18 15:23:18 <joepie91> mye
697 2011-03-18 15:23:21 <joepie91> I think that won't work
698 2011-03-18 15:23:23 <validus> not sure never tried that
699 2011-03-18 15:23:24 <joepie91> tbh
700 2011-03-18 15:23:26 <joepie91> maybe in vmware
701 2011-03-18 15:23:29 <joepie91> but certainly not in virtualbox
702 2011-03-18 15:23:32 <validus> i have vmware
703 2011-03-18 15:23:37 <joepie91> you could try
704 2011-03-18 15:23:46 <joepie91> but that would require actual hardware passthrough
705 2011-03-18 15:23:50 <validus> wanted to test out the supposive kickass directx9c support
706 2011-03-18 15:23:51 <joepie91> networking drivers will be useless
707 2011-03-18 15:23:53 <joepie91> lol
708 2011-03-18 15:23:58 <joepie91> err
709 2011-03-18 15:23:59 <joepie91> drives*
710 2011-03-18 15:24:06 <validus> ya im browsing a few spots
711 2011-03-18 15:24:11 <joepie91> otherwise
712 2011-03-18 15:24:17 <joepie91> try getting one of those "xp live disks"
713 2011-03-18 15:24:17 <validus> dont wanna waste time agian i hate waiting hours for nothing
714 2011-03-18 15:24:18 <joepie91> pop it in
715 2011-03-18 15:24:26 <joepie91> and run pcinspector from that
716 2011-03-18 15:25:16 <validus> if i do cool. if not well my stupid mistake cost me 3 bucks lol
717 2011-03-18 15:25:39 <validus> but im extremely stubborn :P
718 2011-03-18 15:26:48 <joepie91> lol
719 2011-03-18 15:26:49 <joepie91> also
720 2011-03-18 15:29:45 <validus> smart move would be to dd to make an image of it but i dont have enough space or a free drive lol
721 2011-03-18 15:33:04 <joepie91> validus
722 2011-03-18 15:33:07 <joepie91> a tip
723 2011-03-18 15:33:15 <joepie91> keep your wallet in a truecrypt container or sth alike
724 2011-03-18 15:33:24 <validus> yes yes i know, it was a simple dumb mistake
725 2011-03-18 15:33:27 <joepie91> and burn it to a dvd every... few days
726 2011-03-18 15:33:31 <joepie91> and don't close the dvd
727 2011-03-18 15:33:37 <joepie91> so that you can burn to the same dvd the next time
728 2011-03-18 15:33:49 <joepie91> you'll always have a physical external backup of your wallet :)
729 2011-03-18 15:33:49 <validus> the one time i let it go for about a week and i was swamped and thats the only thing i didnt save i backed up everything so it was just user error
730 2011-03-18 15:33:54 <validus> luckily i didnt have very much in it
731 2011-03-18 15:33:55 <joepie91> heh
732 2011-03-18 15:33:58 <joepie91> error between desk and chair
733 2011-03-18 15:34:04 <validus> yep my fault 110%
734 2011-03-18 15:34:06 <validus> im not mad
735 2011-03-18 15:34:29 <validus> cant believe i did it, i even double checked myself
736 2011-03-18 15:34:36 <validus> just a senior moment lol
737 2011-03-18 15:34:41 <luke-jr> yay my new monitor fits -watch lines in a single line :P
738 2011-03-18 15:35:16 <jrabbit> Is there any reason poclbm would be busing 25%ish cpu on gpu? could a newer python work better?
739 2011-03-18 15:35:29 <validus> well python is either made for 2.6 or 3.0
740 2011-03-18 15:35:37 <jrabbit> validus: no...
741 2011-03-18 15:35:44 <validus> theres ways to convert one to the other or its 2.x and 3.x
742 2011-03-18 15:35:50 <validus> but their not the same and slowly getting to merge
743 2011-03-18 15:35:58 <jrabbit> validus: what the fuck are you talking about
744 2011-03-18 15:36:06 <jrabbit> you're full of shit.
745 2011-03-18 15:36:09 <validus> python 3.0 code is not the same as python 2.xx code
746 2011-03-18 15:36:18 <validus> no not really
747 2011-03-18 15:36:26 <validus> thats why they have converts to convert the code
748 2011-03-18 15:36:33 <validus> relax some man lol
749 2011-03-18 15:36:36 <jrabbit> I'm a fucking python dev I know 3k is a different language
750 2011-03-18 15:36:46 <jrabbit> and jfc 2.7 is the latest 2.x
751 2011-03-18 15:37:04 <validus> well sorry that i didnt read your mind on it. some people dont know that jus ttrying to help with it man
752 2011-03-18 15:37:07 <validus> relax some
753 2011-03-18 15:37:24 <jrabbit> Don't try and help if you have no idea what you're talking about then :P
754 2011-03-18 15:37:48 <validus> well most users who would ask that would striaght d/l the latest version of python and the code may not be developed that way
755 2011-03-18 15:38:01 <validus> so you could see the point of why i said it  i wasnt discrediting your or anything lol
756 2011-03-18 15:38:05 <luke-jr> jrabbit: Python sucks anyway, so who cares? :D
757 2011-03-18 15:38:11 <jrabbit> luke-jr: haha
758 2011-03-18 15:38:20 <validus> i like python
759 2011-03-18 15:38:27 <validus> just havent got around to it yet
760 2011-03-18 15:40:34 <jrabbit> luke-jr: well most of this is because I'm too lazy to compile scipy again for 2.7.x :D
761 2011-03-18 15:40:45 <jrabbit> and it comes with apple's old as shit python
762 2011-03-18 15:56:38 <Zarutian> ;;bc,blocks
763 2011-03-18 15:56:39 <gribble> 114037
764 2011-03-18 16:05:40 <jrabbit> haha ok so status reprot on the python version, 2.7 actually is using more CPU than 2.6.1 did on GPU stuff
765 2011-03-18 16:06:04 <jrabbit> could be older pyopencl though I used fink's
766 2011-03-18 16:08:53 <joepie91> blah
767 2011-03-18 16:09:02 <joepie91> it's annoying how all bitcoin related sites use the same favicon
768 2011-03-18 16:09:08 <joepie91> I can't differentiate between the sites :P
769 2011-03-18 16:16:08 <[Tycho]> Yes :)
770 2011-03-18 16:16:13 <[Tycho]> I noticed this too.
771 2011-03-18 16:16:25 <joepie91> I mean
772 2011-03-18 16:16:29 <joepie91> a colored dot would be enough
773 2011-03-18 16:16:43 <joepie91> I usually have so many tabs open that I can only see the favicon in most of my browser windows
774 2011-03-18 16:16:46 <BlueMatt> god I thought building bitcoin on windows was hard...try doing it on osx
775 2011-03-18 16:16:50 <joepie91> lmfao
776 2011-03-18 16:16:50 <[Tycho]> Me too.
777 2011-03-18 16:17:11 <[Tycho]> Did you compiled it on Windows ?
778 2011-03-18 16:17:26 <BlueMatt> yea Ive compiled it on win
779 2011-03-18 16:17:38 <[Tycho]> How did you do that ?
780 2011-03-18 16:17:47 <BlueMatt> ...followed the instructions?
781 2011-03-18 16:22:20 <jrabbit> BlueMatt: yeah the mac makefile sucks...
782 2011-03-18 16:22:30 <jrabbit> I think it mgiht have gotten a bit betetr though.
783 2011-03-18 16:22:57 <BlueMatt> jrabbit: yea, I think Im gonna create some scripts for osx that downloads everything and makes it etc
784 2011-03-18 16:23:24 <jrabbit> BlueMatt: don't!
785 2011-03-18 16:23:32 <BlueMatt> why?
786 2011-03-18 16:23:32 <jrabbit> package it instead!
787 2011-03-18 16:23:33 <jrabbit> :P
788 2011-03-18 16:23:50 <BlueMatt> too much effort
789 2011-03-18 16:23:59 <jrabbit> you're going to do it wrong :)
790 2011-03-18 16:24:13 <Lartza> just came to my mind... sin't it possible to counterfeit money by having a private network accepting the new block that you have made?
791 2011-03-18 16:24:17 <Lartza> *isn't
792 2011-03-18 16:24:30 <BlueMatt> Lartza: yea, but no one but you would accept the money
793 2011-03-18 16:24:31 <Lartza> Well the otehr comptuers would refuse it... but somehow
794 2011-03-18 16:24:41 <Lartza> BlueMatt: Ahh... of course :)
795 2011-03-18 16:24:42 <BlueMatt> Lartza: you would have to get the people in your network to use a modified client
796 2011-03-18 16:24:52 <Lartza> And even the private network would refuse it with the regular client yea
797 2011-03-18 16:24:57 <jrabbit> Lartza: no different then pretending you're rich in sand dollars.
798 2011-03-18 16:25:15 <jrabbit> BlueMatt: don't fuck it up.
799 2011-03-18 16:25:32 <jrabbit> a script to buitl shit outside a prefix = fucking it up
800 2011-03-18 16:25:41 <BlueMatt> jrabbit: Im not that stupid
801 2011-03-18 16:25:54 <BlueMatt> Ill pretty much just follow the instructions which install in prefix anyway
802 2011-03-18 16:26:22 <jrabbit> then use one of the many package managers out there for osx
803 2011-03-18 16:26:30 <BlueMatt> go ahead
804 2011-03-18 16:26:44 <jrabbit> naw I have no issue with how bitcoin is packaged atm.
805 2011-03-18 16:27:00 <jrabbit> it works fine and the security releases are too important
806 2011-03-18 16:27:45 <BlueMatt> jrabbit: well I make nightlies and am maintaining my own branch so...
807 2011-03-18 16:27:54 <BlueMatt> need to get UPnP running on osx but have to compile it first
808 2011-03-18 16:28:26 <jrabbit> http://www.broadsnark.com/dont-be-like-che/ somehow this seems relevant but I'm too sleepy to connect it
809 2011-03-18 16:28:42 <BlueMatt> ?
810 2011-03-18 16:32:18 <toad_> how long should i give my bitcoin node before it gets some connections?
811 2011-03-18 16:32:29 <BlueMatt> toad_: shouldnt take long at all
812 2011-03-18 16:32:37 <BlueMatt> like maybe 30 seconds max
813 2011-03-18 16:34:05 <lfm> sometimes take 30 min if it cant connect to irc
814 2011-03-18 16:34:17 <BlueMatt> oh yea that might be a problem
815 2011-03-18 16:34:46 <BlueMatt> toad_: launch with -addnode=87.155.85.217
816 2011-03-18 16:36:56 <LobsterMan> it can take a long time too if the port isn't forwarded
817 2011-03-18 16:37:09 <LobsterMan> by long time....i mean several minutes
818 2011-03-18 16:37:13 <Lartza> how many connections should one get?
819 2011-03-18 16:37:21 <eps1> 8?
820 2011-03-18 16:37:31 <BlueMatt> LobsterMan: first connection doesnt depend on port forwarding thats total connections later
821 2011-03-18 16:37:31 <Lartza> Okey then it's not low if so :)
822 2011-03-18 16:37:41 <BlueMatt> 8 is the outbound connection count you should always have
823 2011-03-18 16:37:58 <BlueMatt> more than that you probably wont get without proper port forwarding
824 2011-03-18 16:38:12 <BlueMatt> and you should average 20-50 if you have a long-running node
825 2011-03-18 16:38:13 <Lartza> "connections" : 39
826 2011-03-18 16:38:21 <Lartza> with port-forwarding and 24 hours
827 2011-03-18 16:38:33 <Lartza> windows client GUI shows 8 behind NAT and 12 hours
828 2011-03-18 16:39:14 <lfm> 8 connections works fine tho, you dont really need more
829 2011-03-18 16:39:47 <BlueMatt> the client makes 8 outbound connections beyond that you have to port forward for incomming ones
830 2011-03-18 16:39:56 <Lartza> 99 confimartions for my +0.05 o/
831 2011-03-18 16:40:02 <UukGoblin> price is falling! :-[
832 2011-03-18 16:40:14 <Lartza> UukGoblin: What price??
833 2011-03-18 16:40:18 <UukGoblin> of bitcoin
834 2011-03-18 16:40:22 <BlueMatt> UukGoblin: yea no one can buy mtgusd and who would buy in this market anyway?
835 2011-03-18 16:40:28 <joepie91> 4680 confirmations for my 0.05
836 2011-03-18 16:40:29 <joepie91> lol
837 2011-03-18 16:40:36 <xelister> BUBBLE IS BURSTING
838 2011-03-18 16:40:38 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.8506,"low":0.71,"vol":13918,"buy":0.801,"sell":0.8248,"last":0.801}}
839 2011-03-18 16:40:38 <lfm> ;;bc,mtgox
840 2011-03-18 16:40:48 <UukGoblin> BlueMatt, oh so mtgox has changed something again?
841 2011-03-18 16:40:57 <lfm> naw, just someone did a large selloff last night
842 2011-03-18 16:41:02 <BlueMatt> UukGoblin: no just not responding to purchases of mtgusd
843 2011-03-18 16:41:11 <BlueMatt> lfm: no its been going down all day
844 2011-03-18 16:41:11 <Lartza> Should one buy bitcoins now?
845 2011-03-18 16:41:23 <BlueMatt> Lartza: I wouldnt recommend it, xelister might have a point
846 2011-03-18 16:41:31 <eps1> your investment may go down as well as up
847 2011-03-18 16:41:34 <UukGoblin> what bubble?
848 2011-03-18 16:41:47 <UukGoblin> it looks like the price is good now, so why not buy?
849 2011-03-18 16:41:49 <lfm> it recovered a fair bit since then even
850 2011-03-18 16:41:56 <eps1> the danish tulip bubble
851 2011-03-18 16:41:57 <BlueMatt> it could very well be highly overvalued
852 2011-03-18 16:41:57 <Lartza> BlueMatt: Meaning generally "now" and not after a year
853 2011-03-18 16:42:00 <BlueMatt> there is no support
854 2011-03-18 16:42:16 <BlueMatt> Lartza: also highly depends
855 2011-03-18 16:42:36 <BlueMatt> if we get a munch of merchants the future looks good, otherwise we may sit here for a long time
856 2011-03-18 16:42:54 <BlueMatt> lfm: true, but that doesnt mean its not going down
857 2011-03-18 16:43:20 <BlueMatt> if there is a HUGE drop people tend to buy because it dropped then sell off because they see how little support for the price there is
858 2011-03-18 16:43:22 <Lartza> Well I only have... 8 euros to spend now so I won't be buying atleast for some time ;)
859 2011-03-18 16:43:34 <BlueMatt> well the second part doesnt always happen but often
860 2011-03-18 16:43:43 <Lartza> Unless I cut on my eating or internet or... :)
861 2011-03-18 16:43:53 <BlueMatt> Lartza: I would watch closely but not buy yet...
862 2011-03-18 16:44:17 <Lartza> can wolframalpha convert bitcoins? :)
863 2011-03-18 16:44:27 <Lartza> you must demand they do if not
864 2011-03-18 16:44:38 <Lartza> they do!
865 2011-03-18 16:44:44 <lfm> there never has been "much" support for the bitcoin market, it is still a tiny market and easily influenced
866 2011-03-18 16:44:48 <BlueMatt> have fun convincing them...
867 2011-03-18 16:45:03 <kiba> the price of bitcoin did not drop below 0.80
868 2011-03-18 16:45:07 <kiba> well
869 2011-03-18 16:45:10 <BlueMatt> kiba: it did last night
870 2011-03-18 16:45:15 <kiba> but buying get it all up to 0.80
871 2011-03-18 16:45:22 <BlueMatt> lfm: but it has been trending downwards for a while now
872 2011-03-18 16:45:34 <lfm> actually it went down to 71 and then back up to 80
873 2011-03-18 16:45:39 <kiba> trending up and down
874 2011-03-18 16:45:45 <kiba> they are short term
875 2011-03-18 16:45:48 <Lartza> bitcoins = US bits?
876 2011-03-18 16:45:56 <kiba> ???
877 2011-03-18 16:46:01 <kiba> bitcoins are bitcoins
878 2011-03-18 16:46:03 <kiba> not US bits
879 2011-03-18 16:46:05 <kiba> or Euro bits
880 2011-03-18 16:46:07 <BlueMatt> kiba: since the 1.1 run its been trending down
881 2011-03-18 16:46:10 <lfm> Lartza: price on mtgox.com
882 2011-03-18 16:46:21 <kiba> BlueMatt: I have my impression that it went up and down
883 2011-03-18 16:46:25 <kiba> but not "trending down"
884 2011-03-18 16:46:32 <Lartza> wolframalpha intreprets bitcoins as us bits :)
885 2011-03-18 16:47:01 <BlueMatt> kiba: how has it not been?
886 2011-03-18 16:47:02 <joepie91> lol
887 2011-03-18 16:47:04 <joepie91> umm
888 2011-03-18 16:47:07 <toad_> well it's a nasty curve but not exactly a lot of data to go on
889 2011-03-18 16:47:13 <joepie91> is there anyone here who can write shopping cart plugins?
890 2011-03-18 16:47:22 <BlueMatt> kiba: IIRC it has gone from 1.1 to .8X and not gone up dramatically since
891 2011-03-18 16:47:29 <lfm> Lartza: I wouldnt say that was accurate, bitcoin is more international
892 2011-03-18 16:47:38 <toad_> only 6 days dropping in the latest spurt, but looks like a vaguely downward trend since the peak
893 2011-03-18 16:47:40 <kiba> it went from 1.1 to 8.x then to 9.x
894 2011-03-18 16:47:43 <kiba> and then down again
895 2011-03-18 16:47:58 <Lartza> mtgox doesn't have euro price
896 2011-03-18 16:48:12 <BlueMatt> kiba: ignoring large selloffs
897 2011-03-18 16:48:21 <BlueMatt> meaning one/two people selloffs
898 2011-03-18 16:48:24 <kiba> there's tremedous resistance
899 2011-03-18 16:48:38 <kiba> in the .9x and 1.x
900 2011-03-18 16:48:42 <BlueMatt> well ok in the past week its been down mostly
901 2011-03-18 16:49:12 <kiba> we're still in a long term rally
902 2011-03-18 16:50:00 <Blitzboom> we need more media attention
903 2011-03-18 16:50:11 <Blitzboom> more investers and speculators
904 2011-03-18 16:50:23 <Blitzboom> investors*
905 2011-03-18 16:50:33 <Blitzboom> and of course shops/organizations accepting bitcoin
906 2011-03-18 16:50:52 <joepie91> regarding that, again the question: can anyone here write shopping cart plugins?
907 2011-03-18 16:50:59 <joepie91> I am going to set up a payment gateway (hosted)
908 2011-03-18 16:51:12 <joepie91> and it might be good to have shopping cart plugins, but I am terrible at writing plugins
909 2011-03-18 16:51:57 <joepie91> (and yes, the gateway will be free, no transaction costs)
910 2011-03-18 16:52:18 <xelister> Blitzboom: would you cofound a bounty to get more attention?
911 2011-03-18 16:52:44 <xelister> joepie91: I suppose I could write one for some btc