1 2011-03-19 00:02:01 <sipa> i haven't been following, by the way
  2 2011-03-19 00:02:14 <sipa> what do you need 64k random pregenerated keys for?
  3 2011-03-19 00:03:23 <jgarzik> sipa: http://yyz.us/bitcoin/patch.bitcoin-scratch-card
  4 2011-03-19 00:03:32 <jgarzik> sipa: (which includes my version of SetInnerPrivKey)
  5 2011-03-19 00:20:43 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: it SHOULD be dynamic
  6 2011-03-19 00:22:35 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: if you want to embed it staticly in some distro-specific package (still a bad idea), use a local patch
  7 2011-03-19 00:22:44 <jgarzik> -rw-rw-r-- 1 jgarzik jgarzik 2098219 Mar 18 21:22 out.o
  8 2011-03-19 00:22:53 <jgarzik> that's more like it.  2MB for 64k pre-generated keys.
  9 2011-03-19 00:29:53 <kiba> I manages to torture myself continously in order to learn how to deploy a rails app
 10 2011-03-19 00:29:56 <kiba> bitcoinweekly.com
 11 2011-03-19 00:44:11 <gasteve> that's a spiffy website ;)
 12 2011-03-19 01:14:09 <hahuang65> lappy|genjix hey
 13 2011-03-19 01:14:13 <genjix> hey
 14 2011-03-19 01:14:17 <genjix> one sec
 15 2011-03-19 01:24:30 <vrs> joepie91: op twitterstorm?
 16 2011-03-19 01:24:38 <joepie91> ?
 17 2011-03-19 01:24:42 <joepie91> what's with it?
 18 2011-03-19 01:24:45 <genjix> anyone else want to join our shared screen session and collaborate on coding?
 19 2011-03-19 01:24:50 <vrs> >supposedly there were several hundreds of accounts retweeting it and then deleting it after a few seconds
 20 2011-03-19 01:24:53 <genjix> i'm testng out pair programming
 21 2011-03-19 01:25:01 <genjix> it's a good way to learn if you're inexperienced
 22 2011-03-19 01:25:09 <genjix> esp about bitcoin internals
 23 2011-03-19 01:25:18 <joepie91> vrs: point is that according to guysoft it was not the twitterhive
 24 2011-03-19 01:25:24 <vrs> ah
 25 2011-03-19 01:33:46 <joepie91> err.
 26 2011-03-19 01:33:49 <joepie91> just thinking.
 27 2011-03-19 01:33:58 <joepie91> wouldn't it be incredibly easy to "steal" bitcoins using malware
 28 2011-03-19 01:34:03 <joepie91> if you are using the bitcoin software
 29 2011-03-19 01:34:07 <theymos> Yes.
 30 2011-03-19 01:34:18 <joepie91> are there any ways to protect against it?
 31 2011-03-19 01:34:26 <theymos> Don't run malware.
 32 2011-03-19 01:34:32 <joepie91> well, I got that
 33 2011-03-19 01:34:45 <joepie91> sadly for windows users malware can't always be avoided
 34 2011-03-19 01:34:59 <joepie91> wouldn't be the first time there's a drive-by in some ad networks javascript code
 35 2011-03-19 01:35:10 <theymos> Create a separate wallet, send most of your BTC there as a "savings account", and encrypt that wallet.
 36 2011-03-19 01:35:20 <joepie91> and I can imagine that linux would become a target as well
 37 2011-03-19 01:35:23 <joepie91> hm
 38 2011-03-19 01:35:40 <joepie91> anything that the average end-user could do to protect his stuff?
 39 2011-03-19 01:35:41 <vrs> crypt it
 40 2011-03-19 01:36:11 <vrs> or build encryption into the main client
 41 2011-03-19 01:36:20 <joepie91> I think that would be the best idea, tbh
 42 2011-03-19 01:36:55 <joepie91> automatically "locking" the wallet after 5 minutes of not using the client or sth, and forget all the keys that are stored in RAM
 43 2011-03-19 01:37:00 <joepie91> and require a password to unlock it again
 44 2011-03-19 01:37:05 <joepie91> and read it out from the encrypted wallet
 45 2011-03-19 01:37:19 <Blitzboom> thatd save me a lot of hassle
 46 2011-03-19 01:37:27 <theymos> That's not useful, since a keylogger can easily get your password. You want to separate most of your BTC into a "vault" that you don't access very often.
 47 2011-03-19 01:37:34 <osearth> well i don't personally leavemy case of money near any Windows.
 48 2011-03-19 01:37:43 <joepie91> theymos: yes, but unless something is done for that it is not a viable end user solution
 49 2011-03-19 01:37:47 <joepie91> it's too complicated.
 50 2011-03-19 01:38:03 <theymos> It can be integrated into the client. It probably will be at some point.
 51 2011-03-19 01:38:04 <osearth> what a bank is too complicated?
 52 2011-03-19 01:38:17 <joepie91> no, the concept of an encrypted secondary wallet
 53 2011-03-19 01:38:27 <joepie91> a "savings wallet"
 54 2011-03-19 01:38:38 <osearth> i call that my bank
 55 2011-03-19 01:38:47 <joepie91> k, call it a bank if you want
 56 2011-03-19 01:38:56 <joepie91> but that setup is too complicated for the average user
 57 2011-03-19 01:39:01 <joepie91> unless there is something that does it for them
 58 2011-03-19 01:39:16 <osearth> its being handled ;)
 59 2011-03-19 01:39:21 <joepie91> and I'd say things like this are quite... important to be worked on :P
 60 2011-03-19 01:39:22 <joepie91> mhh
 61 2011-03-19 01:39:39 <joepie91> oh ey
 62 2011-03-19 01:39:41 <joepie91> ye*
 63 2011-03-19 01:39:44 <joepie91> the api calls
 64 2011-03-19 01:39:48 <theymos> Wallet encryption is a goal for 1.0, I believe.
 65 2011-03-19 01:39:59 <joepie91> can anything make api calls without any authentication?
 66 2011-03-19 01:40:01 <osearth> quit thinking! be a civillian!!
 67 2011-03-19 01:40:27 <joepie91> because making API calls without any auth... would be a problem
 68 2011-03-19 01:40:51 <joepie91> write a simple script that makes an API call to send all bitcoin to the address of a malware writer... et voila
 69 2011-03-19 01:40:59 <theymos> The API isn't even on by default in GUI Bitcoin.
 70 2011-03-19 01:41:12 <joepie91> well, that I didn't know :P
 71 2011-03-19 01:41:59 <vrs> theymos: how about smart cards?
 72 2011-03-19 01:42:12 <vrs> problem is, nobody uses those
 73 2011-03-19 01:44:08 <quellhorst> whats the deal with bitcoins going down?
 74 2011-03-19 01:44:22 <theymos> The private keys need to get into memory for Bitcoin to send transactions, and this allows malware to get it. The encryption method doesn't matter.
 75 2011-03-19 01:44:32 <Blitzboom> low demand, high supply
 76 2011-03-19 01:44:49 <osearth> it's a MYSTERYM i guess
 77 2011-03-19 01:46:43 <quellhorst> i think the market got fucked up. with the increase in difficulty
 78 2011-03-19 01:47:01 <ArtForz> ?
 79 2011-03-19 01:47:18 <ArtForz> looks pretty normal to me
 80 2011-03-19 01:47:46 <quellhorst> i'm new
 81 2011-03-19 01:48:58 <Blitzboom> the bitcoin price is volatile because of the low volume
 82 2011-03-19 01:49:06 <osearth> and there was a huge JUMP in found coins suddenly
 83 2011-03-19 01:49:13 <vrs> theymos: a bitcoin smartcard then?
 84 2011-03-19 01:49:15 <ArtForz> hmmm... not really
 85 2011-03-19 01:49:25 <Blitzboom> and the price is going down because there isnt enough interest to keep up with the current inflation
 86 2011-03-19 01:49:28 <ArtForz> big sell down the book cleared out all bids from 0.7-0.84
 87 2011-03-19 01:49:38 <theymos> It'd be pretty secure if a smart card held the wallet and signed transactions on request from Bitcoin.
 88 2011-03-19 01:49:44 <ArtForz> it takes a while for new bids to fill that huge gap
 89 2011-03-19 01:49:54 <vrs> yeah
 90 2011-03-19 01:50:19 <vrs> "we accept bitcard!"
 91 2011-03-19 01:50:34 <ArtForz> theymos: yeah, I was thinking about that
 92 2011-03-19 01:50:43 <Blitzboom> ArtForz: there havent been many bids before, either
 93 2011-03-19 01:50:56 <ArtForz> well, there was about 10k between 0.7 and 0.84
 94 2011-03-19 01:51:05 <ArtForz> and now theres... about 10k
 95 2011-03-19 01:51:28 <Blitzboom> which is nothing in relation to the asks
 96 2011-03-19 01:52:22 <ArtForz> doesnt look like theres too many below 0.9 either
 97 2011-03-19 01:53:12 <ArtForz> a few blockers around 0.9 and 0.95
 98 2011-03-19 01:53:20 <Blitzboom> looks like much to me, although there are no single big ones
 99 2011-03-19 01:54:04 <Blitzboom> whether the price will continue to fall will probably depend on psychology/bills
100 2011-03-19 01:54:13 <ArtForz> http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/mtgoxUSD.html
101 2011-03-19 01:54:30 <ArtForz> looks like 7.5k < 0.9
102 2011-03-19 01:55:29 <ArtForz> but yeah, looks bearish
103 2011-03-19 01:57:15 <ArtForz> my guess is at least a few more days of low volume in the 0.75-0.8 area
104 2011-03-19 01:59:39 <Blitzboom> and then further devaluation. yeah, sounds realistically, unless we get some media attention
105 2011-03-19 01:59:50 <ArtForz> yup
106 2011-03-19 02:00:02 <ArtForz> mid-term, I expect a further drop towards 0.5ish
107 2011-03-19 02:00:42 <Blitzboom> not sure if this is a good thing. people tend to lose faith when a currency devaluates
108 2011-03-19 02:01:19 <Blitzboom> and itll weaken the network
109 2011-03-19 02:01:33 <overtorque> lol... why would any merchants accept bitcoin.. so volatile
110 2011-03-19 02:01:51 <overtorque> at least with the US dollar it's a slow and predictable death
111 2011-03-19 02:01:52 <ArtForz> yup, but then it will also reduce the value of the network, so overall attacks arent really more or less likely
112 2011-03-19 02:02:21 <ArtForz> overtorque: have you looked at international currency exchange rates over the last days?
113 2011-03-19 02:03:32 <Blitzboom> i havent, are you referring to the yen?
114 2011-03-19 02:03:33 <overtorque> negative, but i doubt it's as volatile as bitcoin is
115 2011-03-19 02:03:41 <ArtForz> nope
116 2011-03-19 02:03:44 <overtorque> at least not USD/Euro
117 2011-03-19 02:03:52 <overtorque> what currency are you referring to?
118 2011-03-19 02:04:04 <Blitzboom> overtorque: yeah, bitcoins missing a few million users
119 2011-03-19 02:04:16 <overtorque> lol i know.
120 2011-03-19 02:04:22 <overtorque> more than that
121 2011-03-19 02:05:46 <ArtForz> eur/chf mostly
122 2011-03-19 02:05:53 <Blitzboom> anyway, i look forward to a possible radical price drop
123 2011-03-19 02:06:29 <Blitzboom> ill be there to mine some blocks
124 2011-03-19 02:07:05 <overtorque> the difficulty never goes down, right?  if the mining slows down, it just stays at the current level longer?
125 2011-03-19 02:07:12 <ArtForz> no, it does go down
126 2011-03-19 02:07:13 <Blitzboom> sure it does
127 2011-03-19 02:07:15 <ArtForz> ;;bc,stats
128 2011-03-19 02:07:16 <Blitzboom> ;;bc,stats
129 2011-03-19 02:07:17 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114085 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 826 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 14 hours, 19 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 66404.36871888
130 2011-03-19 02:07:19 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114085 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 826 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 14 hours, 19 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 66404.36871888
131 2011-03-19 02:07:22 <Blitzboom> heh, beat me to it
132 2011-03-19 02:08:04 <joepie91> that is quite a drop.
133 2011-03-19 02:08:06 <joepie91> what caused it?
134 2011-03-19 02:08:15 <ArtForz> looking at sipas graph, that probably will increase a bit
135 2011-03-19 02:08:17 <Blitzboom> mistery miner
136 2011-03-19 02:08:22 <ArtForz> yup
137 2011-03-19 02:08:35 <joepie91> elaborate? :P
138 2011-03-19 02:08:54 <ArtForz> http://bitcoin.atspace.com/mysteryminer.html
139 2011-03-19 02:08:59 <Blitzboom> some mysterious guy who caused a spike in hashrate
140 2011-03-19 02:09:14 <Blitzboom> and then dropped off
141 2011-03-19 02:09:16 <ArtForz> red is MM, green is rest of network
142 2011-03-19 02:09:41 <joepie91> lol, wtf
143 2011-03-19 02:09:46 <joepie91> where did that come from
144 2011-03-19 02:09:58 <ArtForz> no one knows, thats why it's the mystery miner
145 2011-03-19 02:10:02 <Blitzboom> & remains a mystery
146 2011-03-19 02:10:32 <joepie91> I mean more like
147 2011-03-19 02:10:33 <ArtForz> had to be a single entity or group, as all generated coins ended up in the same address
148 2011-03-19 02:10:35 <joepie91> _how_
149 2011-03-19 02:10:37 <joepie91> did he do that
150 2011-03-19 02:10:46 <joepie91> just rented some amazon cloud space or what?
151 2011-03-19 02:10:54 <ArtForz> very unlikely
152 2011-03-19 02:11:06 <ArtForz> best guess is a massive botnet
153 2011-03-19 02:11:08 <dirtyfilthy> that'd be pretty expensive
154 2011-03-19 02:11:11 <joepie91> hrm
155 2011-03-19 02:11:13 <joepie91> then still
156 2011-03-19 02:11:15 <joepie91> why knock it off?
157 2011-03-19 02:11:30 <noagendamarket> maybe he got found
158 2011-03-19 02:11:32 <Blitzboom> maybe he just jumped in to get some thousand coins and then forget bitcoins
159 2011-03-19 02:11:37 <joepie91> true
160 2011-03-19 02:11:41 <ArtForz> iirc a few people traced back his blocks to the originating IP
161 2011-03-19 02:11:56 <ArtForz> also, he mined nearly exactly 50k and... stopped
162 2011-03-19 02:11:59 <Blitzboom> wasnt he located in europe?
163 2011-03-19 02:12:08 <ArtForz> I think so
164 2011-03-19 02:12:27 <ArtForz> http://blockexplorer.com/a/eE8FVTkbx
165 2011-03-19 02:12:42 <noagendamarket> or someone was doing penetration testing
166 2011-03-19 02:12:48 <ArtForz> whats really weird, why the big spike for 4 days?
167 2011-03-19 02:13:06 <ArtForz> and that was mostly over a weekend
168 2011-03-19 02:13:32 <ArtForz> thats why some people guessed idle time on a big cluster or 2
169 2011-03-19 02:13:37 <noagendamarket> yeah
170 2011-03-19 02:13:47 <theymos> Sneak said he was going to rent a botnet. Maybe it's him.
171 2011-03-19 02:14:01 <ArtForz> and the weekend before... another spike
172 2011-03-19 02:14:35 <theymos> (11:57:25 PM) sneak@x/Berlin: i'm planning on hiring a russian botnet
173 2011-03-19 02:14:42 <joepie91> mh
174 2011-03-19 02:14:45 <joepie91> botnet makes sense
175 2011-03-19 02:14:55 <ArtForz> but... what kind of botnet is mostly on on weekends?
176 2011-03-19 02:15:06 <joepie91> a botnet that you rent for a weekend ;)
177 2011-03-19 02:15:10 <Validus> sounds like a college that had weekend access
178 2011-03-19 02:15:11 <Validus> and no one was around
179 2011-03-19 02:15:24 <Validus> or a pc shop maybe he knows someone, like a cafe
180 2011-03-19 02:15:45 <bk128> wouldn't cafe's be open on weekends?
181 2011-03-19 02:15:47 <Validus> or could have went. hey i told these fools im getting a botnet lets fuck with em
182 2011-03-19 02:15:48 <Validus> and trolled you
183 2011-03-19 02:15:59 <ArtForz> 350Gh/s is quite a lot
184 2011-03-19 02:15:59 <Validus> as he had a friend at a pc lab
185 2011-03-19 02:16:01 <joepie91> actually... I think a botnet would be an incredibly cheap way to earn money out of bitcoins
186 2011-03-19 02:16:15 <Blitzboom> same thought
187 2011-03-19 02:16:18 <joepie91> renting bots costs very little
188 2011-03-19 02:16:27 <Blitzboom> why the hell dont we have some botnets?
189 2011-03-19 02:16:32 <ArtForz> we do
190 2011-03-19 02:16:42 <Blitzboom> smaller ones, apparentl
191 2011-03-19 02:16:48 <ArtForz> but you can't really do a lot unless you want some seriously pissed botnet operators
192 2011-03-19 02:16:49 <joepie91> actually, a mining pool somewhat resembles a botnet :)
193 2011-03-19 02:17:14 <joepie91> and meh
194 2011-03-19 02:17:18 <joepie91> if you _own_ the botnet
195 2011-03-19 02:17:20 <joepie91> there is no problem
196 2011-03-19 02:17:26 <ArtForz> hiding 100% cpu use on laptops is kinda... hard
197 2011-03-19 02:17:33 <joepie91> then don't make it use 100% cpu
198 2011-03-19 02:17:38 <joepie91> give it a lower priority
199 2011-03-19 02:17:43 <joepie91> maybe even customize a miner
200 2011-03-19 02:17:45 <ArtForz> so now you need like 10x more zombies
201 2011-03-19 02:17:51 <joepie91> to calculate the approximate amount of hashes and only do a part of that
202 2011-03-19 02:17:56 <joepie91> as to not eat all cpu
203 2011-03-19 02:18:04 <joepie91> same for gpu
204 2011-03-19 02:18:06 <afed> 23:15 <@l0de> the l0de radio hour is now online! listen in at www.klulz.com or dial in live at 718-618-4470! Post that number everywhere, I'm so lonely! :'('''''
205 2011-03-19 02:18:43 <joepie91> could easily let your custom miner benchmark a zombie for 5 seconds (the user will just experience the usual windows lag)
206 2011-03-19 02:18:46 <joepie91> then let it proceed at 50%
207 2011-03-19 02:18:48 <joepie91> or sth like that
208 2011-03-19 02:19:02 <ArtForz> yep
209 2011-03-19 02:19:08 <dirtyfilthy> just use 100% when the computer is idle
210 2011-03-19 02:19:14 <dirtyfilthy> when it's not, don't mine
211 2011-03-19 02:19:26 <ArtForz> bitcoin mining isnt the first app that makes money off zombie CPUs
212 2011-03-19 02:19:49 <joepie91> dirtyfilthy: you can still let it mine when in use
213 2011-03-19 02:19:54 <joepie91> just with low priority
214 2011-03-19 02:19:59 <joepie91> and not running at full speed
215 2011-03-19 02:20:25 <ArtForz> which means you only get like half a Mh/s per zombie
216 2011-03-19 02:20:28 <dirtyfilthy> eh why even bother, you've prolly got a good 16 hours a day with most home pcs on and idle
217 2011-03-19 02:20:40 <theymos> Will botnets end up having more power than miners with custom hardware, you think?
218 2011-03-19 02:20:53 <ArtForz> most home pcs nowadays are laptops. running 100% cpu on a laptop is VERY obvious
219 2011-03-19 02:21:04 <ArtForz> so you have to stay below 25% or so
220 2011-03-19 02:21:23 <ArtForz> herders doing distributed PW cracking figured that out pretty quickly
221 2011-03-19 02:21:41 <joepie91> theymos: I think they will
222 2011-03-19 02:21:49 <joepie91> if you build your own net you will have virtually no cost
223 2011-03-19 02:21:52 <joepie91> other than a C&C server
224 2011-03-19 02:22:17 <joepie91> free bitcoins with little cost provides more incentive than mining bitcoins with expensive hardware that you need to break even on
225 2011-03-19 02:22:38 <theymos> Custom hardware might have significantly more power, though.
226 2011-03-19 02:23:09 <joepie91> not if you have a lot of zombies.
227 2011-03-19 02:23:21 <ArtForz> you are talking a SHITLOAD of zombies
228 2011-03-19 02:23:27 <joepie91> I'm not really involved in the cracking world anymore... yet I know at least 4 people who have a 60k+ botnet
229 2011-03-19 02:23:40 <joepie91> and that's just the skids.
230 2011-03-19 02:25:22 <ArtForz> which is ... not much
231 2011-03-19 02:25:39 <Blitzboom> >100 ghash/s
232 2011-03-19 02:25:51 <ArtForz> very unlikely
233 2011-03-19 02:26:01 <ArtForz> but feel free to try
234 2011-03-19 02:29:04 <joepie91> 60k is a little bit
235 2011-03-19 02:29:06 <joepie91> extremely small botnet
236 2011-03-19 02:29:16 <joepie91> so imagine what a large botnet could mine
237 2011-03-19 02:31:57 <ArtForz> less
238 2011-03-19 02:32:48 <ArtForz> a bit counterintuitive, but it's generally easier to stay under the radar with a bunch of smaller botnets
239 2011-03-19 02:35:11 <osearth> or way under it with good old fashioned honest hard work (by a computer:)
240 2011-03-19 02:36:40 <jgarzik> ArtForz: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4555.msg67719#msg67719
241 2011-03-19 02:36:48 <jgarzik> ArtForz: Useful change... or completely stupid?  ;)
242 2011-03-19 02:39:08 <ArtForz> looks ... useful
243 2011-03-19 02:51:55 <bk128> anyone good with java? I'm trying to use a hashset to detect an infinite loop in a recursive method.  The program is supposed to read an input text file and import other text files that follow #include "filename" statements.  http://pastie.org/1688508
244 2011-03-19 02:54:54 <kiba> it seem to me that some Chinese students are finding way to make a few bitcoin
245 2011-03-19 02:55:10 <kiba> jgarzik: so how's pastecoin?
246 2011-03-19 02:57:01 <jgarzik> kiba: just got https://xf2.org/ infrastructure up and running.  that is where pastecoin will be listed, as one of xf2.org's services.
247 2011-03-19 02:57:15 <noagendamarket> kiba that would make a good article :)
248 2011-03-19 02:57:31 <kiba> what's xf2.org
249 2011-03-19 02:57:37 <kiba> noagendamarket: first, I have to develop the website
250 2011-03-19 02:58:02 <kiba> look like my time is up
251 2011-03-19 02:58:19 <noagendamarket> your time ?
252 2011-03-19 02:58:31 <kiba> before I need to go to sleep
253 2011-03-19 02:58:36 <kiba> I have a very long day
254 2011-03-19 02:58:51 <kiba> with work concerning bitcoinweekly.com
255 2011-03-19 02:59:06 <noagendamarket> heh I thought you meant your time earning btc was up lol
256 2011-03-19 02:59:19 <noagendamarket> I nearly fell off my chair
257 2011-03-19 03:28:27 <genjix> jgarzik: cool!
258 2011-03-19 03:29:00 <Spenvo> kiba, what's in store for bitcoin weekly?
259 2011-03-19 03:31:40 <kiba> Spenvo: a whole new site
260 2011-03-19 03:32:00 <kiba> minus the cruft that make it such a headache to create new content
261 2011-03-19 03:32:01 <Spenvo> what cms are you using?
262 2011-03-19 03:32:08 <kiba> I don't use any cms
263 2011-03-19 03:32:21 <Spenvo> so, you like to code :)
264 2011-03-19 03:32:48 <kiba> Spenvo: and it's a lot easier for me to theme
265 2011-03-19 03:32:51 <AAA_awright> kiba: Want to use my CMS?
266 2011-03-19 03:32:54 <kiba> no
267 2011-03-19 03:32:58 <Spenvo> lol
268 2011-03-19 03:32:59 <AAA_awright> :(
269 2011-03-19 03:33:01 <kiba> your is probably all complicated
270 2011-03-19 03:33:14 <Spenvo> what's your cms aaaaaa?
271 2011-03-19 03:33:22 <AAA_awright> kiba: It's designed to generate graphs and tables of data and other cool stuff it would probably be perfect
272 2011-03-19 03:33:32 <kiba> mine is a magazine
273 2011-03-19 03:33:33 <AAA_awright> Spenvo: Still in development, but http://magnode.org
274 2011-03-19 03:33:33 <Spenvo> yeah!
275 2011-03-19 03:33:37 <kiba> not a satistical site
276 2011-03-19 03:33:41 <Spenvo> cool. i'll check it out
277 2011-03-19 03:33:47 <AAA_awright> kiba: Ah, any links?
278 2011-03-19 03:34:30 <kiba> bitcoinweekly.com
279 2011-03-19 03:34:36 <kiba> hello world :)
280 2011-03-19 03:34:46 <kiba> I finally figured out the whole deploy routine
281 2011-03-19 03:34:56 <kiba> and worked on the site until now
282 2011-03-19 03:34:59 <kiba> but nothing ready yet
283 2011-03-19 03:36:15 <AAA_awright> kiba: I'm sure you want to generate graphs and stuff, that's what I'm trying to do, that's all. Keep me up to date please, maybe I can help out somehow
284 2011-03-19 03:36:19 <AAA_awright> *somehow*
285 2011-03-19 03:36:49 <Spenvo> it's cool aaa, i'll think of a subdomain on my site that could be hosted with it :)
286 2011-03-19 03:37:15 <Spenvo> kiba, what kind of content is going to roll out on the weekly?
287 2011-03-19 03:38:36 <AAA_awright> Spenvo: You know about Node.js?
288 2011-03-19 03:38:52 <AAA_awright> It's not very functional right now unless you know what you're doing
289 2011-03-19 03:40:02 <kiba> Spenvo: whatever people write to me and I think is a good fit for my magazine
290 2011-03-19 03:40:26 <kiba> otherwise, I will be republishing old articles that I written for The Bitcoin Times
291 2011-03-19 03:40:57 <Spenvo> aaa, i know of it.  it's outside what i'm comfortable with.  however, i'm not the only person that's helping on my site, so it may find its place
292 2011-03-19 03:41:32 <noagendamarket> Spenvo I used the same wordpress theme on http://bitcoin.com.au
293 2011-03-19 03:41:45 <noagendamarket> its a good one
294 2011-03-19 03:43:13 <Spenvo> indeed it is :) eventually i'll theme to something around this.  much time needed :(  http://www.bitcoinbulletin.com/bitcoinbulletinmockup017.png
295 2011-03-19 03:43:37 <Spenvo> but php is straightforward. i just have too much on my plate right now
296 2011-03-19 03:44:14 <Spenvo> so don't get your hopes up
297 2011-03-19 03:46:13 <AAA_awright> Spenvo: Maybe you want to be the first person to subscribe to http://groups.google.com/group/magnode for release announcements. Development happens in #bzfx
298 2011-03-19 03:47:13 <genjix> lol atlas is such a loser
299 2011-03-19 03:47:26 <Spenvo> thanks aaa, subscribed to digest
300 2011-03-19 03:47:54 <afed> 23:15 <@l0de> the l0de radio hour is now online! listen in at www.klulz.com or dial in live at 718-618-4470! Post that number everywhere, I'm so lonely! :'('''''
301 2011-03-19 03:48:19 <genjix> afed: wut
302 2011-03-19 03:48:26 <Spenvo> spam
303 2011-03-19 03:48:35 <afed> not spam
304 2011-03-19 03:48:42 <afed> someone should call in and talk about bitcoins
305 2011-03-19 03:48:44 <genjix> hes not spam, he's a fed
306 2011-03-19 03:48:48 <joepie91> damn
307 2011-03-19 03:48:50 <joepie91> genjix beat me to it
308 2011-03-19 03:49:20 <genjix> anyone got skype credit?
309 2011-03-19 03:49:21 <Spenvo> mm
310 2011-03-19 03:49:25 <genjix> and want to prank call?
311 2011-03-19 03:49:26 <genjix> :D
312 2011-03-19 03:49:32 <da2ce7> I can
313 2011-03-19 03:49:35 <genjix> say that our pussy is on fire
314 2011-03-19 03:49:47 <da2ce7> lol, sorry, I cannot
315 2011-03-19 03:49:48 <afed> haha
316 2011-03-19 03:49:54 <genjix> say you was cooking eggs naked and tripped
317 2011-03-19 03:50:00 <genjix> and hot oil
318 2011-03-19 03:50:03 <da2ce7> do not have skype installed... will take ages to download.
319 2011-03-19 03:51:02 <genjix> http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1300507342179.jpg
320 2011-03-19 03:53:55 <da2ce7> lawl
321 2011-03-19 03:54:07 <afed> for reference http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0
322 2011-03-19 03:54:36 <da2ce7> afed, don't spread that link... it is just not pleasant.
323 2011-03-19 03:54:49 <afed> destroy everyone
324 2011-03-19 03:54:57 <afed> that link causes brain damage
325 2011-03-19 03:55:41 <afed> friedaye
326 2011-03-19 03:57:02 <genjix> do you know the back story?
327 2011-03-19 03:57:13 <overtorque> wtf is that for afed
328 2011-03-19 03:57:21 <genjix> it's a us company that makes music videos for rich kids who dream of being pop singers
329 2011-03-19 03:57:36 <genjix> so mummy/daddy pay $200k or whatever
330 2011-03-19 03:57:47 <da2ce7> eeeew
331 2011-03-19 03:58:10 <genjix> bitch has piss for brains
332 2011-03-19 03:58:30 <Blitzboom> id invest it all in bitcoins, da2ce7
333 2011-03-19 03:58:33 <genjix> she had an interview. her biggest hero: justin beiber
334 2011-03-19 03:58:42 <Blitzboom> and drive the price up to a few dollars/BTC
335 2011-03-19 03:58:45 <afed> $2000
336 2011-03-19 03:58:49 <afed> not $200k
337 2011-03-19 03:58:57 <genjix> only 2k?
338 2011-03-19 03:59:03 <afed> they've certainly earned it back by now too
339 2011-03-19 03:59:07 <da2ce7> wow, it is cheap and certanly bad.
340 2011-03-19 03:59:12 <overtorque> wow.. its so stupid
341 2011-03-19 03:59:18 <overtorque> not even because it's teen pop crap
342 2011-03-19 03:59:22 <overtorque> but its just bad
343 2011-03-19 03:59:38 <afed> After reading the harsh reviews of her song, Black said that "those hurtful comments really shocked me"
344 2011-03-19 03:59:42 <afed> welcome to the internet hon
345 2011-03-19 03:59:44 <genjix> you can see the shit she thinks about
346 2011-03-19 03:59:53 <afed> genjix: nothing
347 2011-03-19 03:59:57 <afed> not a thought in her head
348 2011-03-19 04:00:23 <overtorque> but that's a brilliant business..  making music vids for rich kids?
349 2011-03-19 04:00:27 <overtorque> brilliant
350 2011-03-19 04:00:30 <da2ce7> afed, no 'I want to be like justin beiber"
351 2011-03-19 04:03:53 <da2ce7> http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Ark_Music_Factory
352 2011-03-19 04:03:56 <da2ce7> fyi
353 2011-03-19 04:04:20 <genjix> jajaja
354 2011-03-19 04:05:06 <genjix> "songs of talentless upper-class white chicks for astronomical prices."
355 2011-03-19 04:05:11 <genjix> 2k is not astronomical
356 2011-03-19 04:05:30 <joepie91> since when was ED reliable?
357 2011-03-19 04:05:32 <joepie91> lol
358 2011-03-19 04:05:36 <joepie91> considered reliable*
359 2011-03-19 04:05:49 <Blitzboom> http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Bitcoin
360 2011-03-19 04:05:52 <genjix> i think you all fail to understand how expensive a production like that is
361 2011-03-19 04:06:14 <Blitzboom> i like that flag
362 2011-03-19 04:08:10 <genjix> Blitzboom: check out the authors of that article :D
363 2011-03-19 04:08:21 <Blitzboom> heh, i saw it now
364 2011-03-19 04:08:26 <Blitzboom> good job
365 2011-03-19 04:08:27 <genjix> tyty
366 2011-03-19 04:11:09 <noagendamarket> The Girls (whose pictures look suspiciously like porn thumbnails)   lawl
367 2011-03-19 04:15:07 <da2ce7> *bitcoin is real, it is on ed*
368 2011-03-19 05:15:17 <jgarzik> Patch and git updated with new 'scratchoff' RPC, which redeems a scratchoff transaction
369 2011-03-19 05:22:12 <genjix> cool stuff
370 2011-03-19 05:22:33 <genjix> how does it work?
371 2011-03-19 05:22:47 <genjix> (how i can use it)
372 2011-03-19 05:23:24 <genjix> heh saw the patch
373 2011-03-19 05:25:59 <genjix> jgarzik: this is great for if you want to exchange bitcoins in real life
374 2011-03-19 05:26:08 <genjix> no need for laptop
375 2011-03-19 05:40:14 <JFK911> hahaha encyclopediadramatica
376 2011-03-19 05:41:02 <JFK911> did someone really manage to buy a pizza with bitcoins
377 2011-03-19 05:41:34 <genjix> yeah i think for a few hundo
378 2011-03-19 05:42:38 <osearth> but wraps up article by begging for coins
379 2011-03-19 05:43:39 <genjix> what does?
380 2011-03-19 05:47:34 <osearth> dramatica
381 2011-03-19 06:08:47 <genjix> sup Vladimir
382 2011-03-19 06:08:52 <genjix> are you from the uk?
383 2011-03-19 06:31:52 <necrodearia> Woo, The Bitcoin Faucet and Ripplepay now participative charities @ witcoin
384 2011-03-19 08:23:26 <miner_> .73btc to the first address posted!
385 2011-03-19 08:25:05 <miner_> botsnack
386 2011-03-19 08:25:12 <gribble> Forget the snack, just send me some bitcoins at 1MgD6rah5zUgEGYZnNmdpnXMaDR3itKYzU :)
387 2011-03-19 08:25:12 <miner_> ;;botsnack
388 2011-03-19 08:26:06 <[Tycho]> Hello.
389 2011-03-19 08:26:19 <miner_> hows it going?
390 2011-03-19 08:26:36 <[Tycho]> It's mining.
391 2011-03-19 08:27:17 <miner_> well thats good in my book
392 2011-03-19 08:28:09 <miner_> now when things are quiet here it means something is wrong.....noise = good
393 2011-03-19 08:28:19 <miner_> and mining = noise
394 2011-03-19 08:28:28 <miner_> so, mining = good
395 2011-03-19 08:29:31 <[Tycho]> What's your hashing speed ?
396 2011-03-19 08:30:34 <miner_> 4ghash right now
397 2011-03-19 08:31:03 <miner_> prolly gonna hit 5gash and stop
398 2011-03-19 08:33:26 <[Tycho]> Solo or pooled mining ?
399 2011-03-19 08:38:14 <miner_> pooled
400 2011-03-19 08:38:24 <miner_> deepbit.net
401 2011-03-19 08:38:56 <miner_> I like stimulation, solo doesnt give me enough to look at
402 2011-03-19 08:41:14 <[Tycho]> That's a nice pool :)
403 2011-03-19 08:45:58 <miner_> yours?
404 2011-03-19 08:50:29 <[Tycho]> Yes.
405 2011-03-19 08:50:51 <miner_> cool :)
406 2011-03-19 08:57:17 <miner_> looks like we've hit a plateau at 50gash
407 2011-03-19 09:05:28 <miner_> howdy
408 2011-03-19 09:07:09 <[Tycho]> Yes, soon i'll try to rise this plate by changing something :)
409 2011-03-19 09:08:28 <Diablo-D3> http://i.imgur.com/J8M4u.jpg
410 2011-03-19 09:13:07 <Lartza> joepie91: You were wrong!
411 2011-03-19 09:13:23 <Lartza> It only takes 12 years for me to generate a block :)
412 2011-03-19 09:15:45 <[Tycho]> How would you know that ?
413 2011-03-19 09:21:17 <Lartza> Calculating from mhash
414 2011-03-19 09:21:27 <Lartza> on average with current difficulty, it tells me that
415 2011-03-19 09:23:41 <[Tycho]> Yes, but current difficulty won't last forever.
416 2011-03-19 09:24:27 <Lartza> Yea I know
417 2011-03-19 09:25:09 <Lartza> Does bitcoin when generating coins/cpuminers use HDD?
418 2011-03-19 09:25:15 <[Tycho]> No.
419 2011-03-19 09:25:25 <Lartza> No reads or writes to hard drive?
420 2011-03-19 09:25:57 <Lartza> Does it work completely in RAM?
421 2011-03-19 09:27:27 <lfm> bitcoin main client uses disk to record the block chain and wallet but mining doesnt really use disk, like if you're using a pool
422 2011-03-19 10:04:33 <BlueMatt> dam just missed it last night: genjix if you ever do a screen-share programming on bitcoin again, invite me
423 2011-03-19 10:05:10 <genjix> BlueMatt: cool :)
424 2011-03-19 10:12:57 <genjix> BlueMatt: i was trying out http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3830.0
425 2011-03-19 10:13:11 <genjix> BlueMatt: do you have skype + headset? we can try speech :D
426 2011-03-19 10:13:21 <genjix> (not now, but later)
427 2011-03-19 10:22:37 <BlueMatt> genjix: yea that would work too
428 2011-03-19 10:23:01 <genjix> kk ill message you later.
429 2011-03-19 10:23:13 <genjix> or maybe tomorrow (depends :p)
430 2011-03-19 10:23:21 <BlueMatt> sure whatever
431 2011-03-19 10:39:25 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
432 2011-03-19 10:39:27 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114121 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 790 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 8 hours, 30 minutes, and 50 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 65948.58748560
433 2011-03-19 11:09:45 <necrodearia> Is there anyone here that is fluent or can read a foreign language (than English) pretty well?  If so, which language and may I pm you?
434 2011-03-19 11:10:21 <[Tycho]> Russian
435 2011-03-19 11:10:29 <necrodearia> nice!
436 2011-03-19 11:10:41 <necrodearia> [Tycho], May I pm you?
437 2011-03-19 11:10:46 <[Tycho]> Yes.
438 2011-03-19 11:11:08 <genjix> esperanto and yes
439 2011-03-19 11:32:15 <Myckel> Dutch
440 2011-03-19 11:42:15 <necrodearia> Myckel, may I pm you?
441 2011-03-19 11:42:41 <BlueMatt> I can read german pretty well write it ok, but you might want to ask ArtForz or Blitzboom
442 2011-03-19 11:42:42 <necrodearia> sipa, may I pm you?
443 2011-03-19 11:42:45 <sipa> necrodearia: sure
444 2011-03-19 11:42:50 <necrodearia> BlueMatt, o/ ^_^
445 2011-03-19 11:45:03 <Myckel> necrodearia, sure. But I'm off soon.
446 2011-03-19 12:06:48 <axilla> it was cool blue :)
447 2011-03-19 12:06:53 <axilla> would have been better with speech
448 2011-03-19 12:10:47 <axilla> BlueMatt, even
449 2011-03-19 12:10:53 <necrodearia> See http://meta.witcoin.com/p/514/Help-Translation
450 2011-03-19 12:11:00 <joepie91> Diablo-D3
451 2011-03-19 12:11:02 <joepie91> genius
452 2011-03-19 12:11:04 <joepie91> lol
453 2011-03-19 12:11:10 <axilla> god that game is going to take my life away
454 2011-03-19 12:11:14 <axilla> when it launches
455 2011-03-19 12:11:39 <axilla> d3 that is :P
456 2011-03-19 12:16:48 <subpar> D3?
457 2011-03-19 12:17:17 <necrodearia> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4658.new#new
458 2011-03-19 12:27:54 <Diablo-D3> for the record, my nick predates blizzard entertainment
459 2011-03-19 12:29:57 <kiba> mission accomplished
460 2011-03-19 12:30:02 <kiba> class withdrawal complete
461 2011-03-19 12:30:18 <kiba> now, I have all the time I need to make a break for economic self-sustaination
462 2011-03-19 12:36:45 <necrodearia> Diablo-D3, wooo, congrats on the record.  I wonder if anyone will surpass it.
463 2011-03-19 12:37:26 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: sue Blizzard for trademark infringement? :P
464 2011-03-19 12:37:42 <sipa> i'm afraid that requires a trademark...
465 2011-03-19 12:38:00 <luke-jr> sipa: trademarks are implicit, like copyright
466 2011-03-19 12:38:14 <sipa> oh right, trademark vs registered trademark
467 2011-03-19 12:39:38 <Diablo-D3> not sure how they got trademark, my name is prior art :<
468 2011-03-19 12:44:12 <BlueMatt> the us copyright office barely checks anything any more its mostly up to them to prove their copyright/trademark is valid in court
469 2011-03-19 12:44:44 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: yeah, but that just means no more trademarks should be allowed to be filed
470 2011-03-19 12:44:56 <Diablo-D3> also, Im not sure how they actually got the trademark
471 2011-03-19 12:45:00 <BlueMatt> I agree, but big media disagrees ;)
472 2011-03-19 12:45:06 <Diablo-D3> Diablo is the Spanish word for devil
473 2011-03-19 12:45:11 <Diablo-D3> what are they going to do, sue all spanish speakers?
474 2011-03-19 12:45:43 <BlueMatt> trademarks only apply in a situation where you can claim it might be confusing to consumers
475 2011-03-19 12:45:50 <BlueMatt> ie if someone else came out with a diablo game
476 2011-03-19 12:46:58 <BlueMatt> thus your nick isnt really prior art
477 2011-03-19 12:50:15 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: no no, I said YOU should sue them
478 2011-03-19 12:53:45 <Diablo-D3> meh
479 2011-03-19 12:53:49 <Diablo-D3> I dont want their dirty money
480 2011-03-19 13:06:34 <necrodearia> oooh, has this idea been discussed before?   it seems quite interesting: http://programming.witcoin.com/p/515/If-Sun-can-do-it-wit-Java-why-cant-we-do-it-wit-Bitcoin
481 2011-03-19 13:07:22 <necrodearia> google shows no results, so it seems to be new post
482 2011-03-19 13:09:02 <Diablo-D3> Im not clicking that
483 2011-03-19 13:09:05 <Diablo-D3> whats the jist of it
484 2011-03-19 13:09:16 <BlueMatt> so what...store programs in the block chain?
485 2011-03-19 13:09:25 <necrodearia> Diablo-D3, aww, not clicking?
486 2011-03-19 13:09:53 <necrodearia> Shall I copy and post it to a pastebin?
487 2011-03-19 13:09:59 <Diablo-D3> no
488 2011-03-19 13:10:03 <Diablo-D3> but its tl;dr
489 2011-03-19 13:10:24 <Diablo-D3> also, I clicked
490 2011-03-19 13:10:28 <Diablo-D3> and whoever posted this needs to be shot
491 2011-03-19 13:10:44 <necrodearia> that would be "abstraction"
492 2011-03-19 13:10:48 <Diablo-D3> you are not fucking implementing brainfuck or whitespace in goddamned bitcoin
493 2011-03-19 13:11:02 <Diablo-D3> goddamned fucking noobs.
494 2011-03-19 13:13:07 <[Tycho]> There is already something like whitespace in bitcoin :)
495 2011-03-19 13:13:17 <luke-jr> necrodearia: that makes no sense
496 2011-03-19 13:14:24 <osearth> whatever it is i demand it be done!
497 2011-03-19 13:16:41 <sipa> i don't see the point, why would you store program data in the block chain?
498 2011-03-19 13:17:50 <[Tycho]> Still no news about 0.01 flooder ?
499 2011-03-19 13:18:13 <BlueMatt> that kinda stuff happens all the time
500 2011-03-19 13:18:52 <[Tycho]> It become way too stable to be just some incident. Someone does this intentionally.
501 2011-03-19 13:18:55 <osearth> me either but i vote implement it as of last release
502 2011-03-19 13:19:26 <osearth> 0.01 flooder?
503 2011-03-19 13:19:31 <BlueMatt> [Tycho]: for some reason various people just decide to flood all the time, no use trying to track them down
504 2011-03-19 13:19:42 <BlueMatt> they aren't really hurting anyone that much
505 2011-03-19 13:31:21 <joepie91> flooder?
506 2011-03-19 13:37:47 <tcatm> joepie91: someone is sending lots of 0.01 BTC transactions to the same address
507 2011-03-19 13:38:01 <joepie91> attempting to flood and slow down the network?
508 2011-03-19 13:38:18 <tcatm> the network doesn't care that much
509 2011-03-19 13:39:10 <tcatm> no idea what the intention could be. if he ever wants to combine those coins again he probably has to pay a fee
510 2011-03-19 13:39:29 <joepie91> heh
511 2011-03-19 13:39:30 <joepie91> also
512 2011-03-19 13:39:31 <joepie91> http://blockexplorer.com/tx/a288fec5559c3f73fd3d93db8e8460562ebfe2fcf04a5114e8d0f2920a6270dc
513 2011-03-19 13:39:32 <joepie91> what is that?
514 2011-03-19 13:39:40 <joepie91> is that that scratchcard concept or sth?
515 2011-03-19 13:40:53 <tcatm> IIRC that was a DOS attempt. OP_CHECKSIG takes some processing time
516 2011-03-19 13:41:17 <joepie91> ah.
517 2011-03-19 13:41:31 <joepie91> people are stresstesting the network eh :P
518 2011-03-19 13:42:45 <tcatm> see https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Incidents
519 2011-03-19 13:48:34 <tcatm> hey dwdollar. is fxchange/bids and fxchange/asks supposed to return the same information?
520 2011-03-19 13:50:57 <dwdollar> tcatm:  yeah, that's messed up, let me look at it
521 2011-03-19 14:09:14 <dwdollar> tcatm:  Okay, it should be working now.  Bids will be Bids and Asks will be Asks :)
522 2011-03-19 14:09:34 <dwdollar> tcatm:  plus it shouldn't have been showing Canceled and Filled
523 2011-03-19 14:09:42 <dwdollar> ones
524 2011-03-19 14:11:05 <tcatm> great. I'll add it to bitcoincharts now
525 2011-03-19 14:23:03 <[Tycho]> "<tcatm> the network doesn't care that much" - unmodified bitcoind eats more CPU when there are many txes in queue.
526 2011-03-19 14:25:13 <kuz> hi
527 2011-03-19 14:25:17 <kuz> anybody here?
528 2011-03-19 14:27:24 <tcatm> hey kuz
529 2011-03-19 14:28:21 <kuz> hi
530 2011-03-19 14:28:45 <kuz> do you know any automated bitcoin generation software to setup automatically on all computers in domain ?
531 2011-03-19 14:28:55 <tcatm> [Tycho]: I don't think those "spam" tx are many enough. Bitcoin should be able to handle them without problems.
532 2011-03-19 14:29:54 <tcatm> kuz: nothing I know of. I think there's a cluster administration tool for linux somewhere on the forums.
533 2011-03-19 14:30:20 <joepie91> looking for a "let all computers in my lab generate bitcoins for me" package? :P
534 2011-03-19 14:30:27 <kuz> yep :P
535 2011-03-19 14:30:32 <kuz> = )
536 2011-03-19 14:30:38 <tcatm> do they have GPUs?
537 2011-03-19 14:30:45 <kuz> well some of them have
538 2011-03-19 14:30:51 <sipa> good ones?
539 2011-03-19 14:31:04 <kuz> some doesn't
540 2011-03-19 14:31:07 <tcatm> how many computers?
541 2011-03-19 14:31:08 <kuz> 400 = )
542 2011-03-19 14:31:15 <sipa> recent cpus?
543 2011-03-19 14:31:29 <kuz> all diffrent, but for sure there are a lot of recent cpus
544 2011-03-19 14:31:42 <joepie91> kuz: you could set up your own pool
545 2011-03-19 14:31:43 <tcatm> so roughly the power of 1..5 HD5970
546 2011-03-19 14:31:47 <joepie91> and then just deploy a miner with a script
547 2011-03-19 14:31:50 <joepie91> across the computers
548 2011-03-19 14:32:05 <joepie91> would probably be the easiest way
549 2011-03-19 14:32:08 <sipa> no need for a pool, just one bitcoind running somewhere, and all miners connect to it
550 2011-03-19 14:32:20 <sipa> ;;bc,calc 1000000
551 2011-03-19 14:32:22 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 76193.9710474 , is 3 days, 18 hours, 54 minutes, and 10 seconds
552 2011-03-19 14:32:24 <xelister> interesting
553 2011-03-19 14:32:31 <xelister> it seems Java is operated by usafags
554 2011-03-19 14:32:34 <sipa> every few days you may find a blok :)
555 2011-03-19 14:32:44 <kuz> i thought miner needs diffrent login+password for each PC ?
556 2011-03-19 14:32:46 <joepie91> kuz: not always
557 2011-03-19 14:32:46 <xelister> well, ##java
558 2011-03-19 14:32:47 <joepie91> for example on BitPenny
559 2011-03-19 14:32:48 <joepie91> you can have multiple miners
560 2011-03-19 14:32:49 <sipa> kuz: no, only some pools require that
561 2011-03-19 14:32:54 <joepie91> with the same bitcoin address
562 2011-03-19 14:33:03 <joepie91> there, your address is your username
563 2011-03-19 14:33:16 <joepie91> and any password goes there
564 2011-03-19 14:33:21 <sipa> yes, but for example at slush's pool you need a separate rpc user/pass for each miner
565 2011-03-19 14:33:30 <joepie91> true... but if you set up your own
566 2011-03-19 14:33:35 <sipa> that's not necessary if you connect to bitcoind yourself
567 2011-03-19 14:33:36 <joepie91> you could just use the bitpenny idea :)
568 2011-03-19 14:33:55 <tcatm> you could have a script that calls cpuminer --user login.`hostname`:pass ...
569 2011-03-19 14:34:37 <joepie91> possible as well
570 2011-03-19 14:34:50 <kuz> okay guys. i understand that i must use a miner with bitpenny
571 2011-03-19 14:34:59 <joepie91> the lazy way would be to actually connect all of them to bitpenny itself... and just use the same address for all
572 2011-03-19 14:35:07 <[Tycho]> kuz, you can use same login/password for all miners with my pool.
573 2011-03-19 14:35:14 <joepie91> without setting up your own network
574 2011-03-19 14:35:27 <kuz> Okay. I understand.
575 2011-03-19 14:35:39 <[Tycho]> It may be 7% more effective than bitpenny :)
576 2011-03-19 14:36:24 <subpar> [Tycho]: getting close to 60 GH/s
577 2011-03-19 14:36:42 <subpar> =)
578 2011-03-19 14:36:58 <[Tycho]> Nice :)
579 2011-03-19 14:40:10 <slush> spamming network is effective way how to earn more fees while mining
580 2011-03-19 14:40:14 <slush> no, I'm not spamming network :)
581 2011-03-19 14:40:23 <joepie91> ;;bc,total
582 2011-03-19 14:40:24 <gribble> Error: "bc,total" is not a valid command.
583 2011-03-19 14:40:29 <joepie91> ...not?
584 2011-03-19 14:40:32 <joepie91> ;;bc,stats
585 2011-03-19 14:40:34 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114142 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 769 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 3 hours, 36 minutes, and 19 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 66107.95714813
586 2011-03-19 14:41:28 <[Tycho]> slush, how it's related to fees ? Forces legitimate txses to pay ? :)
587 2011-03-19 14:41:37 <slush> yep
588 2011-03-19 14:45:54 <[Tycho]> kuz turned out to be wannabe-botnet-creator :)
589 2011-03-19 14:47:25 <subpar> but with that much hash power it doesn't really matter...
590 2011-03-19 14:53:57 <xelister> anyone know examples of Usa moralfaggotry in area of  victimizing teenagers by using the laws made "for the children" to actually destroy them, e.g. when it is nowdays illegal for teenagers to send EACHTOERS, OWN erotic photos?
591 2011-03-19 14:56:05 <xelister> 5 btc for URL to creditable source and full (e.g. more then just 5 sentences) online article about USA charging at least 17 yo just for sharing own erotic photos even with similar aged spouse
592 2011-03-19 14:59:25 <joepie91> k sec
593 2011-03-19 15:00:02 <joepie91> xelister: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28679588/ns/technology_and_science-tech_and_gadgets/
594 2011-03-19 15:00:12 <xelister> joepie91: btw if you find interesting meterials btw of this search share that too (though bounty is just for 5)
595 2011-03-19 15:00:13 <joepie91> there is 16-17yo in there
596 2011-03-19 15:00:30 <joepie91> The female students at Greensburg Salem High School in Greensburg, Pa., all 14- or 15-years-old, face charges of manufacturing, disseminating or possessing child pornography while the boys, who are 16 and 17, face charges of possession, according to WPXI-TV in Pittsburgh, which published the story on its Web site on Tuesday.
597 2011-03-19 15:01:10 <xelister> mmhmmm
598 2011-03-19 15:01:19 <joepie91> was that what you needed?
599 2011-03-19 15:01:22 <joepie91> or something else? :P
600 2011-03-19 15:01:28 <xelister> anything where 17 yo is the person sharing HER (or his?) and then charged?   that would be better
601 2011-03-19 15:01:37 <joepie91> I believe one of those has been in the news as well
602 2011-03-19 15:01:37 <xelister> I found: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexting#cite_ref-17   but the link is dead
603 2011-03-19 15:01:39 <joepie91> let me look that up
604 2011-03-19 15:01:50 <xelister> the source link is dead
605 2011-03-19 15:02:44 <Blitzboom> http://www.gadgetell.com/tech/comment/sexting-can-label-your-teen-a-sex-offender/
606 2011-03-19 15:02:59 <Blitzboom> >In Wisconsin, a 17-year-old was charged with child pornography after posting naked pictures of his girlfriend, who is a year younger, on the internet.
607 2011-03-19 15:03:03 <Blitzboom> ah ok, that would be 16
608 2011-03-19 15:04:26 <Blitzboom> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/03/27/earlyshow/main4896577.shtml
609 2011-03-19 15:04:30 <Blitzboom> >In Syracuse, N.Y., police have charged a 17-year-old boy with messaging a sexually explicit video to a 13-year-old girl's cell phone after striking up a relationship on MySpace.com.
610 2011-03-19 15:04:48 <xelister> hmmm
611 2011-03-19 15:05:02 <joepie91> derp, all my stuff is lagging here
612 2011-03-19 15:05:13 <Blitzboom> http://www.mortaljourney.com/2010/10/home-page/sexting
613 2011-03-19 15:05:14 <xelister> I pay you each 2.5 BTC and you can paste a bit more links you find in this direction, fine by you?  Blitzboom, joepie91?
614 2011-03-19 15:05:15 <Blitzboom> here you go
615 2011-03-19 15:05:19 <Blitzboom> At Margareetta High School in Castalia, Ohio, a 17-year-old girl sent nude pictures of herself to a boyfriend. T
616 2011-03-19 15:05:35 <Blitzboom> yeah, im ok with that
617 2011-03-19 15:06:25 <joepie91> fine with me :P
618 2011-03-19 15:06:38 <joepie91> just about this specific case, or about underage sexting + law consequences in general?
619 2011-03-19 15:07:26 <Blitzboom> >Police investigated an incident at Margaretta High School in Castalia, Ohio, in which a 17-year-old girl allegedly sent nude pictures of herself to her former boyfriend, and the pictures started circulating around the high school after the two got into a fight
620 2011-03-19 15:07:37 <Blitzboom> its on wiki, too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexting#Legal_cases
621 2011-03-19 15:07:58 <joepie91> http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article5516511.ece
622 2011-03-19 15:08:58 <xelister> Blitzboom: joepie91: bit bitcoin addresses?
623 2011-03-19 15:09:02 <joepie91> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/15/national/main4723161.shtml
624 2011-03-19 15:09:03 <xelister> *your
625 2011-03-19 15:09:04 <Blitzboom> 1JKT1rHvtPnTVV1trjGUyRLx1nvFdtzc4N
626 2011-03-19 15:09:11 <joepie91> 1Jd3fmwwAJqVJCDNkXCdbthFHMSErh6dSy
627 2011-03-19 15:09:17 <joepie91> :)
628 2011-03-19 15:09:32 <Blitzboom> bitcoins really good for information seeking
629 2011-03-19 15:09:36 <joepie91> also, it's ridiculous how basically the only people freaking out over this sexting and calling it shocking are the "adults"
630 2011-03-19 15:09:46 <joepie91> the only reason being it's "not normal"
631 2011-03-19 15:09:59 <BlueMatt> its the typical us aversion to sex in any way
632 2011-03-19 15:10:00 <Blitzboom> yeah & us-americans seem like big hypocrites
633 2011-03-19 15:10:11 <Zarutian> purtitian even
634 2011-03-19 15:10:13 <joepie91> and srsly
635 2011-03-19 15:10:15 <BlueMatt> europe has an aversion to violence the us to sex
636 2011-03-19 15:10:16 <joepie91> being completely honest
637 2011-03-19 15:10:21 <joepie91> try to figure out
638 2011-03-19 15:10:23 <joepie91> how many teenagers
639 2011-03-19 15:10:24 <joepie91> download cp
640 2011-03-19 15:10:29 <xelister> BlueMatt: nah
641 2011-03-19 15:10:31 <BlueMatt> well europe not quite as much any more but...
642 2011-03-19 15:10:33 <joepie91> "cp" being porn from kids around their own age
643 2011-03-19 15:10:59 <Blitzboom> laws are ridiculous
644 2011-03-19 15:11:05 <joepie91> from the info I've gathered (yes, I like researching shit that noone else bothers to research) at least 50% of the average high school class downloads cp
645 2011-03-19 15:11:08 <joepie91> or well
646 2011-03-19 15:11:09 <xelister> BlueMatt: both USA and EU have high rates of morallfaggots that can be defined as "omg 17 yo kissing is PEDO omg sound the pedoallert!!!1111????????????. But killing children.. on war.. well, shit happens in wars, lol"
647 2011-03-19 15:11:10 <BlueMatt> though europe does have equally weird social aversions
648 2011-03-19 15:11:14 <joepie91> *technically* it's cp
649 2011-03-19 15:11:26 <Zarutian> Bliztboom: depends, like everything else, on the process that made them
650 2011-03-19 15:11:30 <xelister> joepie91: in CP
651 2011-03-19 15:11:41 <xelister> in EU sex with 15 yo is ok in many places
652 2011-03-19 15:11:46 <joepie91> 16* mostly
653 2011-03-19 15:11:49 <joepie91> in some countries 15
654 2011-03-19 15:11:50 <xelister> sex with 13 yo is ok in Vatican.
655 2011-03-19 15:12:03 <joepie91> but
656 2011-03-19 15:12:08 <Blitzboom> sex wtih 14-year olds is only ok here if you are <18
657 2011-03-19 15:12:09 <joepie91> despite 15yo/16yo being age of consent
658 2011-03-19 15:12:11 <BlueMatt> xelister: yea most of euorope doesnt care about 17 yos the us (well the south) is like omg 17 yo wtf
659 2011-03-19 15:12:13 <joepie91> anything <18 is still cp
660 2011-03-19 15:12:15 <Zarutian> Bliztboom: I was rather pissted when I found out that USA congressmen dont read the laws they vote on!
661 2011-03-19 15:12:25 <joepie91> I mean, come on...
662 2011-03-19 15:12:38 <Blitzboom> Zarutian: haha, as if they would think for themselves
663 2011-03-19 15:12:41 <joepie91> I've had videos from half the guys in my class
664 2011-03-19 15:12:41 <Zarutian> Bliztboom: such unprofessionalism would be spurned everywhere elese
665 2011-03-19 15:12:44 <joepie91> all willingly shared
666 2011-03-19 15:12:47 <Blitzboom> theyre just puppets
667 2011-03-19 15:12:49 <joepie91> I don't see the issue?
668 2011-03-19 15:13:10 <Blitzboom> youre spelling my nick wrong btw :P
669 2011-03-19 15:13:14 <Blitzboom> if you want to highlight
670 2011-03-19 15:14:27 <Zarutian> typos, they crop up sometimes.
671 2011-03-19 15:17:05 <overtorque> click it, sign up -> http://fxnet.co.cc/?ref=518   ... don't listen to Blitzboom
672 2011-03-19 15:17:31 <Blitzboom> xelister: dont forget to send the reward :P
673 2011-03-19 15:17:36 <Blitzboom> haha overtorque
674 2011-03-19 15:18:19 <joepie91> lol
675 2011-03-19 15:18:23 <joepie91> the bitcoin pyramid game
676 2011-03-19 15:18:43 <joepie91> speaking of which
677 2011-03-19 15:18:44 <joepie91> :P
678 2011-03-19 15:18:58 <xelister> Blitzboom: joepie91 sent +)
679 2011-03-19 15:19:01 <Blitzboom> xelister: thanks, ill rate you
680 2011-03-19 15:19:20 <xelister> I belive entire world USA mostly for the hypocrisy
681 2011-03-19 15:19:27 <xelister> Blitzboom: =)
682 2011-03-19 15:19:35 <xelister> *hates
683 2011-03-19 15:19:55 <joepie91> oh, thanks :)
684 2011-03-19 15:20:08 <joepie91> and meh
685 2011-03-19 15:20:15 <joepie91> I dislike USA for the entire way of life
686 2011-03-19 15:20:20 <joepie91> the entire... ge
687 2011-03-19 15:20:21 <BlueMatt> xelister: yea rural us (espcially people who watch fox news) is ridiculously hypocritical/generally stupid
688 2011-03-19 15:20:23 <joepie91> general*
689 2011-03-19 15:20:30 <joepie91> direction
690 2011-03-19 15:20:30 <overtorque> i think that if you're NOT from america, and haven't spent a significant amount of time in america, (and different parts of america) you probably don't know what you're talking about
691 2011-03-19 15:20:36 <joepie91> can't find a better word
692 2011-03-19 15:20:45 <BlueMatt> though I do like the us (I am american and lived there most of my life)
693 2011-03-19 15:21:26 <xelister> BlueMatt: dont worry, happens in EU too a lot
694 2011-03-19 15:21:27 <BitterTea> like it in what sense?
695 2011-03-19 15:21:27 <joepie91> overtorque: I'm not going to start a discussion about that :P
696 2011-03-19 15:21:36 <xelister> BlueMatt: I wonder how it is in other cultures like Asia, Russia
697 2011-03-19 15:21:39 <BlueMatt> the world is just full of fucking idiots
698 2011-03-19 15:21:42 <joepie91> past few times someone claimed it and I went against it, it ended up in comparing e-peens
699 2011-03-19 15:21:45 <[Tycho]> ?
700 2011-03-19 15:21:56 <BlueMatt> xelister: never spent any real time outside of us/western europe so I dont know
701 2011-03-19 15:22:20 <xelister> [Tycho]: are morallfaggots common in Russia.  Morallfagots like "omg sex is bad, omg 17 yo kissing eachothers are PEDO omg omg. But killing is o.k., invading people etc"
702 2011-03-19 15:22:37 <[Tycho]> Only in government.
703 2011-03-19 15:22:49 <BlueMatt> and people who watch fox news ;)
704 2011-03-19 15:23:14 <xelister> overtorque: you say out facts just gathered are not correct?  That USA government creates laws that are totally hypocrit and morallfaggot?
705 2011-03-19 15:23:26 <overtorque> sure they do
706 2011-03-19 15:23:26 <xelister> overtorque: if yes then first read all links found above :)
707 2011-03-19 15:23:43 <overtorque> the government has a lot of stupid lawas
708 2011-03-19 15:23:52 <xelister> overtorque: you are american?
709 2011-03-19 15:23:59 <joepie91> [Tycho]: you are russian?
710 2011-03-19 15:23:59 <overtorque> yep
711 2011-03-19 15:24:03 <BlueMatt> governments everywhere tend to have a bunch of absolutley stupid laws
712 2011-03-19 15:24:05 <xelister> overtorque: doing anything to fix this stupid laws?  or just sitting on cautch
713 2011-03-19 15:24:23 <BlueMatt> xelister: doing anything to fix some of the retarded eu laws?
714 2011-03-19 15:24:30 <overtorque> bluematt is exactly right. thats the point im trying to make..  government in general has a lot of stupid laws
715 2011-03-19 15:24:32 <xelister> BlueMatt: perhaps
716 2011-03-19 15:24:33 <overtorque> not just the USA
717 2011-03-19 15:24:50 <overtorque> yea, i dont vote for fascists
718 2011-03-19 15:24:52 <BlueMatt> overtorque: though you do have to admit the us govt can tend to be worse than most others
719 2011-03-19 15:24:53 <overtorque> thats what im doing
720 2011-03-19 15:25:06 <overtorque> BlueMatt: no i dont believe that at all
721 2011-03-19 15:25:16 <BlueMatt> overtorque: if you are about to say obama is facist/rasict other crap Im /ignoring you now
722 2011-03-19 15:25:32 <overtorque> i can grab my gun and put it in a holster and walk around.. like a free human should be able to
723 2011-03-19 15:25:35 <overtorque> try that in the UK
724 2011-03-19 15:25:38 <overtorque> .. or california
725 2011-03-19 15:25:42 <joepie91> lol UK
726 2011-03-19 15:25:59 <overtorque> obama isn't the worst president ever.. ut not great either.. (imho)
727 2011-03-19 15:26:00 <joepie91> UK and Netherlands are probably the worst police states in europe
728 2011-03-19 15:26:04 <joepie91> not really a good comparison to make
729 2011-03-19 15:26:35 <sipa> netherlands, really?
730 2011-03-19 15:26:41 <overtorque> and just for the record.. not all americans like/agree with the government
731 2011-03-19 15:26:44 <BlueMatt> overtorque: ok I just wanted to make sure you dont watch fox news so much that you subscribe to the idea that obama is facist/nazi/etc
732 2011-03-19 15:26:47 <joepie91> sipa: you didn't follow all the laws that have been passed lately?
733 2011-03-19 15:26:53 <joepie91> in the past few years?
734 2011-03-19 15:27:09 <overtorque> BlueMatt: i don't believe he's part of some dark diabolical scheme to kill white people, no
735 2011-03-19 15:27:24 <joepie91> there's a useful topic on Fok! that lists all privacy-intruding and related laws and decisions that have been made over the past few years
736 2011-03-19 15:27:29 <joepie91> you should read it
737 2011-03-19 15:27:34 <sipa> joepie91: in the netherlands? not really (i'm belgian, btw)
738 2011-03-19 15:27:35 <joepie91> you'll go completely wtf
739 2011-03-19 15:27:40 <joepie91> oh, ok
740 2011-03-19 15:27:41 <joepie91> that explains it
741 2011-03-19 15:27:43 <xelister> overtorque: I know.  I may be saying americanfags ;) but dont take that literally, I realize its the gov that is at fault.  But, in democracy, people ARE at least a bit responsible for own gov though!
742 2011-03-19 15:27:47 <joepie91> I thought you were dutch :P
743 2011-03-19 15:27:58 <joepie91> (heh, you have no government :D_
744 2011-03-19 15:28:01 <joepie91> )*
745 2011-03-19 15:28:09 <sipa> how do you mean? we have 5!
746 2011-03-19 15:28:12 <sipa> (instead of 6)
747 2011-03-19 15:28:14 <overtorque> yea, democracy has it's issues though.. it's not perfect
748 2011-03-19 15:28:15 <joepie91> lmfao
749 2011-03-19 15:28:18 <BlueMatt> and none of them are working atm...
750 2011-03-19 15:28:33 <joepie91> xelister: be careful what you call democracy
751 2011-03-19 15:28:41 <joepie91> voting for parties is not real democracy
752 2011-03-19 15:28:46 <joepie91> it's parlementary democracy
753 2011-03-19 15:28:50 <xelister> joepie91: well USA is a democracy (just not a very good one though), no?
754 2011-03-19 15:28:51 <overtorque> there's no guarantee that the people of a democracy actually want what the democracy does
755 2011-03-19 15:28:56 <joepie91> and in the case of the netherlands it's backed by a consitutional monarchy
756 2011-03-19 15:28:57 <joepie91> and no
757 2011-03-19 15:28:59 <overtorque> exactly.. what joepie91 said
758 2011-03-19 15:29:04 <joepie91> a democracy is a society where everyone decides on everything
759 2011-03-19 15:29:08 <joepie91> no representative parties
760 2011-03-19 15:29:15 <joepie91> if something is decided, the public gets to decide
761 2011-03-19 15:29:23 <joepie91> instead of a representative party
762 2011-03-19 15:29:39 <overtorque> i'm a liberty minded person as well.. and hate a lot of what the US government does
763 2011-03-19 15:29:49 <BlueMatt> the problem with the us' govt is mostly the control of big businesses over it and the control the media (esp media that is more disconnected from reality than the onion) has over it
764 2011-03-19 15:29:54 <overtorque> but.. we have a lot of freedom here compared to other places
765 2011-03-19 15:30:16 <xelister> brb
766 2011-03-19 15:30:23 <overtorque> when you still have places like china and north korea, how can you really trash the US and it's lack of freedom
767 2011-03-19 15:30:51 <joepie91> and just realize that at this point in time, I don't think any place in the world has _real_ democracy
768 2011-03-19 15:30:55 <BlueMatt> overtorque: well nkorea I cant disagree, but china is a interesting study on democracy
769 2011-03-19 15:31:15 <overtorque> the censor the damn internet
770 2011-03-19 15:31:17 <BlueMatt> they are able to make some very interesting decisions that have a very positive effect on people that no democracy can
771 2011-03-19 15:31:22 <overtorque> how free is that?
772 2011-03-19 15:31:25 <BlueMatt> though I agree I would never want to live there
773 2011-03-19 15:31:27 <xelister> overtorque: yeah china is even worse then USA.
774 2011-03-19 15:31:39 <xelister> overtorque: thats why I support TOR and Freenet (and i2p)
775 2011-03-19 15:31:40 <BlueMatt> because they are too censored, etc but they have the ability to do very interesting thing
776 2011-03-19 15:31:53 <xelister> overtorque: but USA  *is*  the leading  country to bring censorship to our civilized world too!
777 2011-03-19 15:31:59 <xelister> ACTA
778 2011-03-19 15:32:00 <BlueMatt> which can tend to fuck over everyone out side of china and make their ecomony great
779 2011-03-19 15:32:02 <overtorque> xelister: huh?
780 2011-03-19 15:32:02 <xelister> and other shit
781 2011-03-19 15:32:10 <xelister> overtorque: USA loves censorship
782 2011-03-19 15:32:21 <BlueMatt> xelister: you mistake bigmedia/us govt for us people
783 2011-03-19 15:32:22 <xelister> hosted torrent? BAM, domain blocked
784 2011-03-19 15:32:28 <xelister> linked to torrent? BAM!
785 2011-03-19 15:32:35 <xelister> blog about how gov sucks? bam.
786 2011-03-19 15:32:38 <BlueMatt> xelister: us is highly anti-censorship but the govt submits too much to big media/business
787 2011-03-19 15:32:43 <overtorque> that's not government censorship xelister .. that's corporate censorship
788 2011-03-19 15:32:46 <xelister> BlueMatt: I ment USA as a country
789 2011-03-19 15:33:04 <BlueMatt> xelister: the way I see it there is no usa as a country, just the people and a shitty govt
790 2011-03-19 15:33:04 <xelister> overtorque: who is passing ACTA and other shitcrap
791 2011-03-19 15:33:20 <xelister> who is allowing wiretaping of almost anyone nowdays based on any bullshit supsictiions
792 2011-03-19 15:33:21 <BlueMatt> xelister: though europe helped a ton with acta too that wasnt just the us
793 2011-03-19 15:33:23 <joepie91> it does not really matter whether the government censors people, or allows others to censor people
794 2011-03-19 15:33:26 <joepie91> the end result is the same
795 2011-03-19 15:33:29 <BlueMatt> xelister: acta is a bad example
796 2011-03-19 15:33:30 <joepie91> the responsible person is the same
797 2011-03-19 15:33:37 <joepie91> entity*
798 2011-03-19 15:33:40 <overtorque> xelister: Australia, Canada, the European Union, Japan, Mexico, Morocco, New Zealand, the Republic of Korea, Singapore, Switzerland and the United States
799 2011-03-19 15:33:54 <overtorque> joepie91: yes, it matters a lot
800 2011-03-19 15:33:58 <Blitzboom> nations are ridiculous constructs that dont fit in the 21st century
801 2011-03-19 15:34:05 <Blitzboom> i hope bitcoin will help to overcome them
802 2011-03-19 15:34:16 <overtorque> if i'm selling you internet, and i want to censor it, that's my right two (in a free world)
803 2011-03-19 15:34:18 <xelister> Blitzboom: cool :)
804 2011-03-19 15:34:25 <overtorque> *right too
805 2011-03-19 15:34:38 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: not really bitcoin would be a terrible base currency for the entire world
806 2011-03-19 15:34:44 <BlueMatt> you think the boom-bust cycle is bad now...
807 2011-03-19 15:34:44 <overtorque> a government ban on companies censoring their products is as unfair as government censoring products
808 2011-03-19 15:34:57 <xelister> insightful discussion today :)  I will bbl unfortunatelly
809 2011-03-19 15:35:01 <Blitzboom> BlueMatt: why would it be terrible?
810 2011-03-19 15:35:04 <Blitzboom> see yo
811 2011-03-19 15:35:09 <BlueMatt> xelister: bye
812 2011-03-19 15:35:24 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: the ability of a market to regulate it self is VERY low
813 2011-03-19 15:35:35 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: not that govt can do THAT much more but they can help dramatically
814 2011-03-19 15:35:40 <BlueMatt> esp a central bank
815 2011-03-19 15:36:01 <Blitzboom> you mean that bitcoin will have a hard time to compete
816 2011-03-19 15:36:04 <Blitzboom> yeah, sure
817 2011-03-19 15:36:06 <BlueMatt> no
818 2011-03-19 15:36:15 <BlueMatt> I mean if bitcoin won, the economy would be shit
819 2011-03-19 15:36:33 <BlueMatt> you think japan doesnt like its constant deflation - think about bitcoin
820 2011-03-19 15:36:39 <Blitzboom> why? of course a free market regulates itself efficiently
821 2011-03-19 15:36:49 <BlueMatt> no
822 2011-03-19 15:36:52 <BlueMatt> not at all
823 2011-03-19 15:36:57 <BlueMatt> see the 2008 crisis
824 2011-03-19 15:37:01 <overtorque> xelister is just jealous that he's not American ;)
825 2011-03-19 15:37:05 <BlueMatt> thats is what happens when a market "regulates itself"
826 2011-03-19 15:37:20 <Blitzboom> right
827 2011-03-19 15:37:29 <Blitzboom> but the governments bailed up the banks
828 2011-03-19 15:37:36 <BlueMatt> half the reason there were so many problems in 2008 is because the market refused to let the govt regulate it
829 2011-03-19 15:37:37 <Blitzboom> bailed out*
830 2011-03-19 15:37:46 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: you cant bail anyone out if you are using bitcoin
831 2011-03-19 15:38:02 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: they print money to bail people out...where does that come from
832 2011-03-19 15:38:03 <Blitzboom> bailing out is what caused problems
833 2011-03-19 15:38:06 <Blitzboom> well, it depends on your views
834 2011-03-19 15:38:10 <BlueMatt> also fractional banking drives our economy
835 2011-03-19 15:38:16 <Blitzboom> either you want total control or total freedom of the market
836 2011-03-19 15:38:18 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: WHAT????
837 2011-03-19 15:38:32 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: neither of your last 2 statements are anywhere near true
838 2011-03-19 15:38:47 <Blitzboom> you advocate fractional reserve banking?
839 2011-03-19 15:38:47 <BlueMatt> the most efficient way govts have to control the market right now is interest rates
840 2011-03-19 15:38:52 <xelister> overtorque: if you would offer me way to be american (or live in USA etc) I would decline
841 2011-03-19 15:38:59 <overtorque> anyone want to give me back some USD for my bitcoins?  i'm feeling especially patriotic today.  ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL
842 2011-03-19 15:39:06 <overtorque> xelister: ... oops.. thought you were AFK
843 2011-03-19 15:39:17 <Blitzboom> overtorque: exchange rate?
844 2011-03-19 15:39:17 <BlueMatt> overtorque: this channel is logged
845 2011-03-19 15:39:34 <overtorque> xelister: that's ok.. you haven't come to terms with it yet
846 2011-03-19 15:39:53 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: there is no other way to provide the system we use now...we drive the economy by being able to sell money in the form of loans you cant loan in bitcoin
847 2011-03-19 15:39:53 <overtorque> xelister: if you were here, you'd probably be wearing a george washington t-shirt and playing the national anthem on your ipod
848 2011-03-19 15:39:56 <BlueMatt> or at least no efficiently
849 2011-03-19 15:39:56 <xelister> and if I would be rich American, I would definatelly emigrate to some free country
850 2011-03-19 15:40:00 <overtorque> BlueMatt: so?
851 2011-03-19 15:40:13 <Blitzboom> right
852 2011-03-19 15:40:13 <BlueMatt> overtorque: we coulnt have a strong economy that is bitocin based
853 2011-03-19 15:40:13 <overtorque> Blitzboom: i'm just playin, blitz :)
854 2011-03-19 15:40:17 <BlueMatt> its to limited
855 2011-03-19 15:40:29 <xelister> overtorque: all stupid laws are taking away people freedom, why anyone could be happy with that
856 2011-03-19 15:40:35 <overtorque> xelister: we're not
857 2011-03-19 15:40:43 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: re: bailouts cause problems: WTF??? where did you hear that?
858 2011-03-19 15:40:47 <Blitzboom> you can easily build fractional reserve over that
859 2011-03-19 15:40:57 <xelister> so if you are not happy with that, why not emigrate to a country where people are more free.
860 2011-03-19 15:40:59 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: only sort of
861 2011-03-19 15:41:05 <overtorque> there are MANY organizations in america that fight those laws. MANY.  a very significant portion of americans do not agree with stupid laws
862 2011-03-19 15:41:09 <Blitzboom> why the hell would it be good to rescue big banks, BlueMatt?
863 2011-03-19 15:41:15 <Blitzboom> just because they are "too big to fail"?
864 2011-03-19 15:41:21 <xelister> overtorque: they are not winning
865 2011-03-19 15:41:22 <Blitzboom> they have to correct themselves
866 2011-03-19 15:41:29 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: Im not saying it was good, but id most certainly didnt cause the problems
867 2011-03-19 15:41:40 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: it was mostly neccessary whether you like it or not
868 2011-03-19 15:41:44 <overtorque> xelister: but, you've never been to america, so you don't realize the extent of that.  you just see youtube comments from usafags and biased news articles
869 2011-03-19 15:41:53 <Blitzboom> necessary for the current system to function
870 2011-03-19 15:42:00 <overtorque> i'd take the usa over australia or the uk ANY day..  when it comes to freedom
871 2011-03-19 15:42:02 <BlueMatt> if that hadnt happened there would be 90% developed-country unemployment atm
872 2011-03-19 15:42:05 <Blitzboom> which is corporation of government with big banks and corporations
873 2011-03-19 15:42:24 <xelister> overtorque: still big negro can grop you, your 3 yo kid (where is the pedopolice now when you need it?) and your wife, on butt and boobs, and still all you can do is wear stupid "TSA sucks" t-shirts or tweet about it... but nothing changes.  Didnt someone, l.iek your new president, promised change? ;)
874 2011-03-19 15:42:28 <xelister> *grope
875 2011-03-19 15:42:33 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: the main problem is the fact that there is no control of interest rates if you have a central, limited m2 supply currency
876 2011-03-19 15:42:43 <overtorque> xelister: i didnt vote for him
877 2011-03-19 15:42:58 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: the way the economy is grown/slowed in its growth (to prevent a 2008-style bubble) is through interest rates
878 2011-03-19 15:43:00 <Blitzboom> the bail-out just delays the crash
879 2011-03-19 15:43:01 <overtorque> xelister: you need to understand that not 100% of america thinks and feels the same way
880 2011-03-19 15:43:04 <BlueMatt> well the most efficient way*
881 2011-03-19 15:43:06 <Blitzboom> and itll be even worse
882 2011-03-19 15:43:11 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: not at all true
883 2011-03-19 15:43:13 <[Tycho]> "ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE" - not enough significant digits ?
884 2011-03-19 15:43:15 <xelister> overtorque: but am I correct here?  all this organizations and all citizens outrage,  and still stupid negros touch-"rape" ;) you and your family on airports
885 2011-03-19 15:43:32 <xelister> [Tycho]: I hope he was joking ;)
886 2011-03-19 15:43:40 <Blitzboom> interest rate isnt feasible with bitcoin atm, BlueMatt
887 2011-03-19 15:43:41 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: it leaves the door open to future problems...not the same
888 2011-03-19 15:43:42 <BlueMatt> at all
889 2011-03-19 15:43:43 <overtorque> xelister: i dont know what you mean about "and still stupid negros touch-"rape" ;) you and your family on airports"
890 2011-03-19 15:43:56 <overtorque> are you racists, xelister ?
891 2011-03-19 15:44:11 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: hence the currency couldnt be a backbone of the world
892 2011-03-19 15:44:12 <joepie91> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=iXpRF9TK
893 2011-03-19 15:44:14 <Blitzboom> the risk to go in enormous debts is too high
894 2011-03-19 15:44:15 <xelister> overtorque: TSA can enslave you to subit into body padtown (meaning them touching your wife on boobies and same with your doughter), or submit them to undress for them
895 2011-03-19 15:44:27 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: dont get me wrong, I think btc has serious potential as an online/micropayment currency
896 2011-03-19 15:44:32 <Blitzboom> you want a fiat currency backbone?
897 2011-03-19 15:44:32 <overtorque> xelister: yea, i hate the fucking TSA.. as do most americans
898 2011-03-19 15:44:34 <xelister> overtorque: nigger please, I'm not racist
899 2011-03-19 15:44:35 <BlueMatt> but as a main backbone of an economy it has no chance
900 2011-03-19 15:44:48 <overtorque> xelister: ha!
901 2011-03-19 15:44:49 <BlueMatt> xelister: some people are american and dont like that work ;)
902 2011-03-19 15:45:06 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: its necessary
903 2011-03-19 15:45:06 <xelister> overtorque: so you all hate TSA.. and... and still TSA does the same thing, nothing changes
904 2011-03-19 15:45:10 <xelister> so democracy is NOT working
905 2011-03-19 15:45:13 <xelister> also!
906 2011-03-19 15:45:14 <overtorque> xelister: correct
907 2011-03-19 15:45:34 <Blitzboom> lending money?
908 2011-03-19 15:45:34 <overtorque> like i said, xelister, democracy is not perfect
909 2011-03-19 15:45:42 <Blitzboom> and debts
910 2011-03-19 15:45:45 <Blitzboom> im not sure
911 2011-03-19 15:45:59 <xelister> now USA will have street strip-scanners.   The scanners like on airports, rolling in the streets in VANs and without consent, covertly, undressing you all. This is said by officiall governemnt docusemtns of ordering R&D of this technology including CONVERT operation
912 2011-03-19 15:46:00 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: a modern economy depends on those things whether you like them or not
913 2011-03-19 15:46:19 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: if that wasnt possible, the world would still be back 200 years
914 2011-03-19 15:46:19 <overtorque> xelister: i gotta go.. but stop hating america so much
915 2011-03-19 15:46:28 <[Tycho]> Why ?
916 2011-03-19 15:46:31 <xelister> overtorque: american represent thread to freedom on the world.