1 2011-03-22 00:00:01 <Sean93> then how does it?
  2 2011-03-22 00:00:15 <luke-jr> there's a lottery for 50 BTC
  3 2011-03-22 00:00:25 <luke-jr> each khash is 1000 lottery tickets
  4 2011-03-22 00:00:39 <molecular> a lot of fresh young blood today, this must be reddit effect ;)
  5 2011-03-22 00:06:29 <Stellar> is there any opensource pool server?
  6 2011-03-22 00:06:41 <Stellar> i wanted to run my own local pool
  7 2011-03-22 00:07:18 <luke-jr> Stellar: yes
  8 2011-03-22 00:07:30 <Stellar> where is it?
  9 2011-03-22 00:07:37 <Stellar> cann't found it in forum
 10 2011-03-22 00:07:55 <molecular> stellar: are you sure you dont just want to run some miners? you can connect many miners to one bitcoin node
 11 2011-03-22 00:08:25 <Stellar> trying the 'fancy' way ;)
 12 2011-03-22 00:08:39 <molecular> respect to you
 13 2011-03-22 00:08:47 <Stellar> or trying to run a pool for my country...
 14 2011-03-22 00:09:05 <molecular> hehe, "local" sounded like you meant your LAN ;)
 15 2011-03-22 00:09:14 <Stellar> for first yes
 16 2011-03-22 00:09:29 <molecular> good luck then, we can use more pools
 17 2011-03-22 00:09:35 <Stellar> so is there any open source one ? ;)
 18 2011-03-22 00:09:56 <Stellar> most of this pool from my country using 10+ hop :(
 19 2011-03-22 00:10:02 <Stellar> *big pool
 20 2011-03-22 00:12:24 <molecular> here's a list of some pools: http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/bitcoin-pool/. maybe you can check each to see if there's a pointer to opensource software they use.
 21 2011-03-22 00:12:45 <molecular> someone here should know, though ;)
 22 2011-03-22 00:13:00 <doublec> jgarzik has some open source pool code
 23 2011-03-22 00:13:42 <doublec> Stellar: GPL http://yyz.us/bitcoin/poold.py
 24 2011-03-22 00:14:56 <Stellar> doublec: thx dude
 25 2011-03-22 00:15:08 <Zenith77> http://www.failreactor.com/image/3491
 26 2011-03-22 00:15:11 <Zenith77> what the hell bitcoin
 27 2011-03-22 00:15:26 <theymos> Turn off generation.
 28 2011-03-22 00:15:48 <molecular> turn off coin generation
 29 2011-03-22 00:16:27 <molecular> phew, it _really_ should be off by default nowadays
 30 2011-03-22 00:16:38 <Zenith77> molecular, theymos
 31 2011-03-22 00:16:45 <Zenith77> I know that's why it's doing that
 32 2011-03-22 00:16:47 <theymos> It is off by default.
 33 2011-03-22 00:16:50 <Zenith77> How the hell is it >100%
 34 2011-03-22 00:16:58 <molecular> you have many cores, probably
 35 2011-03-22 00:17:05 <theymos> 100% = one full CPU core.
 36 2011-03-22 00:17:06 <molecular> each one is 100%
 37 2011-03-22 00:17:09 <Zenith77> ah, okay
 38 2011-03-22 00:17:26 <molecular> sometime hyperthreading counts
 39 2011-03-22 00:17:30 <Zenith77> That's an odd way to do that
 40 2011-03-22 00:17:55 <Zenith77> wow I'm only getting ~30khash/s with a GTX 260
 41 2011-03-22 00:18:41 <theymos> CPU generation might be slowing it down.
 42 2011-03-22 00:19:41 <Zenith77> theymos, hrm?
 43 2011-03-22 00:20:01 <molecular> to 30 khash/s
 44 2011-03-22 00:20:08 <Zenith77> well I was warned opencl on osx was slow, is there something I'm doing wrong?
 45 2011-03-22 00:20:18 <molecular> is it 30mhash/s or khash/s?
 46 2011-03-22 00:20:26 <Zenith77> khash/s
 47 2011-03-22 00:20:32 <molecular> something's wrong
 48 2011-03-22 00:20:39 <Zenith77> and my cpu is at nothing at the moment
 49 2011-03-22 00:20:42 <Sean93> what are the odds of getting the 50BTC?
 50 2011-03-22 00:21:34 <molecular> about 1:281474976710656
 51 2011-03-22 00:22:03 <theymos> ;;bc,calc 30
 52 2011-03-22 00:22:04 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 30 Khps, given current difficulty of 76193.9710474 , is 345 years, 47 weeks, 0 days, 2 hours, 16 minutes, and 33 seconds
 53 2011-03-22 00:23:01 <molecular> <Sean93> how many khash equal one bit coin? <- it was explained to Sean93 that bitcoin is like a lotterie. that's why he's asking the odds
 54 2011-03-22 00:23:27 <molecular> about 1:2^48 is correct if you calculate one hash, right?
 55 2011-03-22 00:23:42 <gribble> Error: "bc,probability" is not a valid command.
 56 2011-03-22 00:23:42 <theymos> ;;bc,probability
 57 2011-03-22 00:23:55 <gribble> (bc,prob <an alias, at least 1 argument>) -- Alias for "math calc 1-exp(-$1*1000 * [seconds $*] / (2**32* [bc,diff]))".
 58 2011-03-22 00:23:55 <molecular> ;;bc,prob
 59 2011-03-22 00:24:23 <gribble> Error: There's really no reason why you should have underscores or brackets in your mathematical expression.  Please remove them.
 60 2011-03-22 00:24:23 <molecular> ;;bc,prob 0.001 1
 61 2011-03-22 00:24:55 <theymos> The current probability for one hash is listed here: http://blockexplorer.com/q/probability
 62 2011-03-22 00:25:46 <molecular> theymos, thx, so it's 1:327249801729843
 63 2011-03-22 00:26:12 <gribble> Error: "bc,hashestowin" is not a valid command.
 64 2011-03-22 00:26:12 <theymos> Let's see if gribble has this one... ,,bc,hashestowin
 65 2011-03-22 00:26:16 <theymos> http://blockexplorer.com/q/hashestowin
 66 2011-03-22 00:27:59 <luke-jr> Sean93: the odds change every 2 weeks
 67 2011-03-22 00:28:12 <luke-jr> Sean93: based on what it thinks will take 10 minutes to have a winner on average
 68 2011-03-22 00:29:38 <JunK-Y> how come the difficulty estimate will decrease?
 69 2011-03-22 00:29:52 <theymos> There's less network CPU power than there should be.
 70 2011-03-22 00:30:07 <luke-jr> JunK-Y: mystery miner turned off
 71 2011-03-22 00:30:51 <JunK-Y> what is 'mystery miner' ?
 72 2011-03-22 00:30:54 <JunK-Y> a pool?
 73 2011-03-22 00:32:18 <luke-jr> JunK-Y: someone mining with lots of hash/s that nobody knows who it is
 74 2011-03-22 00:32:21 <luke-jr> probably a botnet
 75 2011-03-22 00:33:05 <JunK-Y> kk
 76 2011-03-22 00:33:21 <JunK-Y> mining.bitcoin.cz has increased like crazy!
 77 2011-03-22 00:34:06 <Zenith77> so if I'm only getting 30khash/s with a GTX 260 using poclbm, did I miss a step or something >_>, or is this just an OS X thing (I am running a hackintosh)
 78 2011-03-22 00:36:16 <doublec> Zenith77: are you sure that's not a normal hash rate for that card?
 79 2011-03-22 00:36:33 <Zenith77> I was under the impression it would mhash/s
 80 2011-03-22 00:36:48 <Zenith77> or wait
 81 2011-03-22 00:37:25 <doublec> yeah mhash seems more likely
 82 2011-03-22 00:37:45 <Zenith77> but someone previously in the channel had stated that OS X's OpenCL implementation was slow
 83 2011-03-22 00:37:58 <doublec> this tables implies 37.5mhash or so: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1628.0;all
 84 2011-03-22 00:44:08 <Zenith77> doublec, you can ignore me. I'm retarded.
 85 2011-03-22 00:44:22 <Zenith77> 30000 khash/s = 30mhash/s
 86 2011-03-22 00:47:18 <luke-jr> lol
 87 2011-03-22 01:01:11 <SykeP> congrats Zenith77, you have achieved 1/10th the hashrate of a mid-range ati card
 88 2011-03-22 01:16:25 <Zenith77> SykeP, yea but at least I don't have crappy drivers :D
 89 2011-03-22 01:19:31 <Sean93> i need help installing a cpu miner for a pool
 90 2011-03-22 01:26:12 <Zenith77> Sean93, what OS and what are you stuck on?
 91 2011-03-22 01:26:52 <Sean93> ubuntu 10.10
 92 2011-03-22 01:36:27 <Zenith77> Sean93, any specific CPU installer? Are you having touble installing one or do need guidance?
 93 2011-03-22 01:38:13 <Sean93> Zenith77, i intalled jgarzik's one but now i get "json_rpc_call failed, retry after 30 seconds  HTTP request failed: The requested URL returned error: 400
 94 2011-03-22 01:39:29 <jgarzik> Sean93: which pool are you using?
 95 2011-03-22 01:39:58 <Sean93> http://mining.bitcoin.cz
 96 2011-03-22 01:40:04 <CIA-96> bitcoin/spesmilo: Luke Dashjr <luke-jr+git@utopios.org> master * rc6dce6e76b5f /cashier.py: Bugfix: I think this addresses all the flaws in the polled-update mechanism... except the polling itself and not detecting new generation entries http://tinyurl.com/4c4c624
 97 2011-03-22 01:40:16 <luke-jr> there we go
 98 2011-03-22 01:41:06 <Sean93> jgarzik, was an error on my part, its working now
 99 2011-03-22 01:43:04 <Sean93> can someone please send me a small amount of bitcoins?
100 2011-03-22 01:43:24 <theymos> Sure.
101 2011-03-22 01:43:26 <luke-jr> address?
102 2011-03-22 01:43:29 <Sean93> 1DnDRVdSsL1SWkB1P1yTBAsZLMmwHWsiP4
103 2011-03-22 01:43:41 <luke-jr> 10 TBC on the way
104 2011-03-22 01:43:45 <theymos> Sent 0.01.
105 2011-03-22 01:44:32 <da2ce7> luke-jr how much is 10 TBC in base10?
106 2011-03-22 01:44:50 <luke-jr> da2ce7: a little more than 0.01 BTC
107 2011-03-22 01:45:00 <da2ce7> ah ok
108 2011-03-22 01:45:00 <Sean93> i have two +0.01 but my balance is 0
109 2011-03-22 01:45:09 <luke-jr> literally, 16 (base10) TBC
110 2011-03-22 01:45:12 <theymos> Sean93: You need to wait for a confirmation.
111 2011-03-22 01:45:19 <luke-jr> Sean93: wait an hour
112 2011-03-22 01:45:29 <theymos> Balance is adjusted when you get 1 confirmation.
113 2011-03-22 01:45:50 <Sean93> alright everything semms to be working, thanks
114 2011-03-22 01:46:05 <da2ce7> Sean93, you have annother 0.01 from me :)
115 2011-03-22 01:46:20 <genjix> woah he's gonna be rich
116 2011-03-22 01:46:30 <Sean93> anymore of this and im retiring :P
117 2011-03-22 01:46:38 <genjix> i remember asking here for 0.01 and everyone told me to fuck off and stop begging
118 2011-03-22 01:46:50 <luke-jr> lol
119 2011-03-22 01:46:56 <da2ce7> lol, and look what it did to you.
120 2011-03-22 01:47:02 <genjix> stingy bastards
121 2011-03-22 01:47:20 <genjix> yeah it made me bitter :)
122 2011-03-22 01:47:48 <da2ce7> genjix, but you were arround when it was easy to use a CPU miner to get 50 BTC :P
123 2011-03-22 01:48:17 <genjix> no i wasn't.
124 2011-03-22 01:48:32 <genjix> i came in right at the beginning of bitcoin's climb
125 2011-03-22 01:48:38 <da2ce7> (looking up ur user on smf now...)
126 2011-03-22 01:49:06 <genjix> but this was 1 week ago anyway, when I had 0 btc
127 2011-03-22 01:49:11 <genjix> and needed some to test
128 2011-03-22 01:49:18 <da2ce7> ah ok.
129 2011-03-22 01:49:59 <genjix> in all fairness though, luke-jr gave me 0.01 and xg0d gave me 6 btc :)
130 2011-03-22 01:50:10 <genjix> (and i've sent him 20 btc back)
131 2011-03-22 01:53:02 <genjix> :(
132 2011-03-22 01:55:55 <Zenith77> how did you get rich off a cpu miner?
133 2011-03-22 01:56:34 <Zenith77> So, a friend is having trouble getting poclbm.py to recognize platform 1 (open CL) with a GTX 470 running OS X
134 2011-03-22 01:56:35 <da2ce7> Zenith77, a long time ago, when dinosaws walked the internet... The diff was less than 1000
135 2011-03-22 01:56:42 <Zenith77> :P
136 2011-03-22 01:56:48 <Zenith77> Any ideas?
137 2011-03-22 01:56:50 <theymos> I started mining when difficulty was ~8. :D
138 2011-03-22 01:57:13 <da2ce7> Well I'm building my Open Transactions PHP GUI team.  What do you think about a 100 BTC prize for a full mockup of the website, paying 10 BTC to every serirous entry?  Dose that sound resonable? or do I need to make the prize larger?
139 2011-03-22 01:59:23 <theymos> What are you doing with Open Transactions?
140 2011-03-22 02:00:15 <da2ce7> We are building a website that inpments the OT-PHP api,  something like mybitcoin for OT.
141 2011-03-22 02:01:04 <da2ce7> *implements
142 2011-03-22 02:02:59 <theymos> Will you be an "OT server", issuing contracts? (I don't know much about OT.)
143 2011-03-22 02:03:19 <genjix> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiww4OTA194&feature=player_embedded#at=162
144 2011-03-22 02:03:20 <genjix> wahow
145 2011-03-22 02:05:11 <da2ce7> Theymos, I have not designed the GUI yet, ( I have a few ideas, but I want to allow the communtity to design them), but somthing like mybitcoin, however you can log in as a server or a client.
146 2011-03-22 02:07:43 <Necr0s> http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/hammer-comes-down-last-those-far-rig
147 2011-03-22 02:13:11 <luke-jr> genjix: thought I gave you more
148 2011-03-22 02:13:24 <genjix> you did :p
149 2011-03-22 02:13:44 <luke-jr> Zenith77: is the OSX version too old for OpenCL?
150 2011-03-22 02:14:14 <luke-jr> genjix: btw, did you notice CIA? :P
151 2011-03-22 02:14:25 <CIA-96> bitcoin/spesmilo: Luke Dashjr <luke-jr+git@utopios.org> master * r16b9e396201e / (12 files in 3 dirs): Allow configuring language via settings.py http://tinyurl.com/46zcdov
152 2011-03-22 02:14:28 <CIA-96> bitcoin/spesmilo: Luke Dashjr <luke-jr+git@utopios.org> master * r05b262e56eea /send.py: Bugfix: allow opening send dialog directly, without a URI http://tinyurl.com/4gvez2n
153 2011-03-22 02:14:57 <genjix> luke-jr: cool. that's for all repos?
154 2011-03-22 02:14:59 <genjix> nice idea :)
155 2011-03-22 02:15:02 <luke-jr> genjix: not for all
156 2011-03-22 02:15:06 <luke-jr> just spesmilo and bitcoin-pl right now
157 2011-03-22 02:15:09 <luke-jr> want me to add any?
158 2011-03-22 02:15:33 <genjix> intersango and btfeature
159 2011-03-22 02:15:39 <luke-jr> k, 1 sec
160 2011-03-22 02:15:56 <vrs> anybody made a chart yet for what mining rigs are profitable in terms of elecricity bills?
161 2011-03-22 02:16:11 <luke-jr> vrs: 5770+
162 2011-03-22 02:16:12 <da2ce7> how far are we along the parth of completly seperating the bitcoin GUI and the server?
163 2011-03-22 02:16:31 <luke-jr> da2ce7: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Wallet_protocol#DRAFT_0
164 2011-03-22 02:16:56 <lfm> vrs: depends on the cost of electricity in your region
165 2011-03-22 02:17:01 <vrs> luke-jr: i know, but are there pretty graphs or will i have to draw one myself?
166 2011-03-22 02:17:16 <vrs> lfm: yes, that makes the thing a bit fuzzy
167 2011-03-22 02:17:22 <luke-jr> genjix: should be done
168 2011-03-22 02:18:15 <genjix> thanks luke-jr
169 2011-03-22 02:18:28 <genjix> da2ce7: it's done. somebody has a branch
170 2011-03-22 02:18:31 <genjix> tcat i think
171 2011-03-22 02:18:46 <luke-jr> np
172 2011-03-22 02:19:14 <lfm> just get the hash/watt for whatever hardware and its pretty straight forward to figure it out from there
173 2011-03-22 02:19:31 <vrs> yes
174 2011-03-22 02:19:34 <lfm> just get the hash/sec/watt for whatever hardware and its pretty straight forward to figure it out from there
175 2011-03-22 02:19:42 <lfm> actually
176 2011-03-22 02:20:41 <vrs> i'll just take hash/watt, electricity price and the difficulty graph
177 2011-03-22 02:26:37 <lfm> the watts in your formulas can be trickky too since most tables only list the watts of the gpu card itslef whereas you really want the total watts for the whole system
178 2011-03-22 02:27:59 <lfm> in some other situations you only want the difference in watts between idle and mining if you have to pay to run the rest of the system anyway and just want to know if it is worth mining on it
179 2011-03-22 02:33:44 <vrs> there will be a big tolerance in electricity price anyway
180 2011-03-22 02:39:53 <Sargun_Screen> Hey
181 2011-03-22 02:39:54 <Sargun_Screen> er,
182 2011-03-22 02:44:26 <CIA-96> bitcoin/btfeature: thera <thera@l.autovps.net> master * r08438e6f221c /www/ (footer.php header.php): changed title + added footer. http://tinyurl.com/6ybraqr
183 2011-03-22 02:44:33 <CIA-96> bitcoin/btfeature: thera <thera@l.autovps.net> master * r6320e687d4d2 /propose.php: propose creating unique addresses now. http://tinyurl.com/64mfdtj
184 2011-03-22 02:44:36 <CIA-96> bitcoin/btfeature: thera <thera@l.autovps.net> master * re9686706f551 /index.php: increased limit to show more proposals by default. http://tinyurl.com/623jaem
185 2011-03-22 02:44:37 <CIA-96> bitcoin/btfeature: thera <thera@l.autovps.net> master * raaa0c75710fd / (util.php www/config.php): migrated over files. http://tinyurl.com/6dq2wwt
186 2011-03-22 02:44:43 <CIA-96> bitcoin/btfeature: thera <thera@l.autovps.net> master * r496a32a8dfc8 /help.php: expanded help text. http://tinyurl.com/6a6k43r
187 2011-03-22 02:44:47 <genjix> lawl
188 2011-03-22 02:45:49 <lfm> Sargun_Screen: what?
189 2011-03-22 02:46:25 <Sargun_Screen> lfm: Nothing, wrong window
190 2011-03-22 02:47:25 <genjix> luke-jr: can you give me push rights to bitcoin on gitorious?
191 2011-03-22 02:48:24 <luke-jr> genjix: ok, but don't modify master. master is a strict mirror of GitHub
192 2011-03-22 02:48:25 <genjix> then i can populate it with all my various branches
193 2011-03-22 02:48:28 <genjix> ok
194 2011-03-22 02:48:36 <luke-jr> and please don't push personal branches to it :p
195 2011-03-22 02:48:45 <luke-jr> notice, that I also have a personal clone on Gitorious
196 2011-03-22 02:49:04 <genjix> how comes?
197 2011-03-22 02:49:31 <luke-jr> for personal stuff
198 2011-03-22 02:49:41 <luke-jr> the main bitcoin repo should only be stuff meant for upstream
199 2011-03-22 02:49:53 <luke-jr> in hopes gavin et al move to Gitorious, they can take over it
200 2011-03-22 02:50:03 <genjix> isn't that what branches are for?
201 2011-03-22 02:50:21 <luke-jr> sometimes :
202 2011-03-22 02:50:34 <genjix> gavin isn't moving to gitorious... i say live and be :)
203 2011-03-22 02:50:44 <luke-jr> gavin will when satoshi refuses to use GitHUb :P
204 2011-03-22 02:50:57 <genjix> satoshi left?
205 2011-03-22 02:51:00 <luke-jr> genjix: just try to keep non-personal-bitcoin only stuff for upstream, k? :P
206 2011-03-22 02:51:04 <luke-jr> satoshi never used GitHub
207 2011-03-22 02:51:05 <genjix> and why would satoshi refuse?
208 2011-03-22 02:51:10 <doublec> genjix: why not use your own clone of the github tree?
209 2011-03-22 02:51:17 <doublec> instead of pushing to luke-jr's?
210 2011-03-22 02:51:27 <genjix> that's what im doing
211 2011-03-22 02:51:36 <genjix> but luke-jr has a bitcoin 'project' tree there
212 2011-03-22 02:51:55 <genjix> and i've put all my repos under there... except my various bitcoin branches
213 2011-03-22 02:52:06 <luke-jr> genjix: GitHub requires real names
214 2011-03-22 02:52:20 <luke-jr> doublec: it's not mine we're discussing
215 2011-03-22 02:52:22 <genjix> lol my name is genjix on github
216 2011-03-22 02:52:31 <luke-jr> doublec: it's the main bitcoin repository on Gitorious
217 2011-03-22 02:52:59 <luke-jr> genjix: for example, I plan to move RPCv1 *out* of the main repo, to my personal one
218 2011-03-22 02:53:06 <luke-jr> since it's not going upstream
219 2011-03-22 02:53:22 <luke-jr> doublec: http://gitorious.org/bitcoin/bitcoin vs http://gitorious.org/~Luke-Jr/bitcoin/luke-jr-bitcoin
220 2011-03-22 02:53:47 <genjix> 1 repo != 1 branch
221 2011-03-22 02:54:01 <luke-jr> genjix: personal clones exist for a reason
222 2011-03-22 02:54:18 <luke-jr> main repo = master + branches-destined-for-master
223 2011-03-22 02:54:32 <luke-jr> personal repo = hacks, policy changes, stuff upstream doesn't want
224 2011-03-22 02:59:50 <genjix> luke-jr: ok then make a repo like bitcoin-branches
225 2011-03-22 03:00:10 <luke-jr> ?
226 2011-03-22 03:00:39 <genjix> luke-jr: for 'hacks'
227 2011-03-22 03:00:42 <lfm> you should be able to keep all the variations in one place it owuld seem to me
228 2011-03-22 03:00:48 <luke-jr> genjix: what's wrong with http://gitorious.org/~genjix/bitcoin/genjix-bitcoin
229 2011-03-22 03:00:51 <genjix> lfm: yeah my thoughts too
230 2011-03-22 03:00:58 <luke-jr> lfm: nobody does that
231 2011-03-22 03:01:11 <genjix> why? there's no good reason not to
232 2011-03-22 03:01:45 <lfm> its the whole reason to have change control systems
233 2011-03-22 03:04:37 <CIA-96> bitcoin/btfeature: genjix <fake@lol.u> master * r5f86ca2bcea6 /propose.php: Removed echo of SQL query. http://tinyurl.com/4elsk6f
234 2011-03-22 03:04:42 <doublec> why would you want a central repository containing your own changes/hacks? With a DVCS you generally have your own and share to people interested in it.
235 2011-03-22 03:04:49 <CIA-96> bitcoin/btfeature: genjix <fake@lol.u> master * r8b6f654892d7 /util.php: Made regex less strict. http://tinyurl.com/4vqol6s
236 2011-03-22 03:05:12 <theymos> That CIA bot is annoying.
237 2011-03-22 03:05:31 <lfm> /ignore it
238 2011-03-22 03:08:21 <luke-jr> doublec: but you don't share personal hacks on the main project repository
239 2011-03-22 03:11:39 <doublec> luke-jr: I know. I was referring to lfm and genjix's request for a shared repository to push stuff too.
240 2011-03-22 03:12:06 <luke-jr> doublec: dunno, what's wrong with personal repos?
241 2011-03-22 03:12:23 <luke-jr> kinda what people usually do&
242 2011-03-22 03:12:31 <doublec> luke-jr: nothing. That's what I'm saying they should use.
243 2011-03-22 03:12:38 <luke-jr> o ok
244 2011-03-22 03:12:46 <doublec> ie. I'm agreeing with you
245 2011-03-22 03:13:04 <lfm> I guess I was saying there should not be a need for the shared repo then
246 2011-03-22 03:13:04 <luke-jr> XD
247 2011-03-22 03:33:11 <luke-jr> genjix: &
248 2011-03-22 03:33:25 <luke-jr> this isn't even a branch of bitcoind
249 2011-03-22 03:33:39 <luke-jr> oh wait
250 2011-03-22 03:33:42 <luke-jr> looking at btfeature XD
251 2011-03-22 03:54:11 <genjix> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4761.0
252 2011-03-22 03:55:46 <Aciid> genjix: need help getting https running?
253 2011-03-22 03:55:53 <Aciid> The webpage at https://bitcoin.cz.cc/ might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address.
254 2011-03-22 03:55:56 <Aciid> Error 102 (net::ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED): Unknown error.
255 2011-03-22 03:57:50 <Aciid> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4762.0
256 2011-03-22 03:58:09 <genjix> Aciid: yeah i didnt enable it.
257 2011-03-22 03:58:21 <Aciid> for a reason?
258 2011-03-22 03:58:53 <genjix> nope. i'll do that now
259 2011-03-22 03:59:50 <Aciid> http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-set-up-an-ssl-vhost-under-apache2-on-ubuntu-9.10-debian-lenny
260 2011-03-22 03:59:54 <Aciid> the long way
261 2011-03-22 04:01:35 <theymos> Apache SSL configuration sucks. You have to duplicate all your configuration options for the SSL and non-SSL virtual hosts, which is annoying.
262 2011-03-22 04:02:03 <genjix> enabling ssl should be a one liner :)
263 2011-03-22 04:02:29 <Aciid> no you dont
264 2011-03-22 04:02:41 <Aciid> theymos: it's a oneliner after a stock install
265 2011-03-22 04:02:50 <Aciid> aensite default-ssl
266 2011-03-22 04:02:56 <Aciid> or was it ssl-default
267 2011-03-22 04:05:12 <theymos> The only way I saw from reading the docs was to create two virtual hosts for 443 and 80, with the only difference being that SSL has 6 extra SSL-related directives.
268 2011-03-22 04:06:29 <Diablo-D3> whats the issue?
269 2011-03-22 04:06:33 <Diablo-D3> adding ssl?
270 2011-03-22 04:06:43 <Diablo-D3> on apache and most httpds, adding a second virtualhost for ssl is the correct method
271 2011-03-22 04:06:48 <Aciid> all bitcoin related should have it increases the geekfactor
272 2011-03-22 04:07:02 <Aciid> oh shi work ->
273 2011-03-22 04:07:09 <theymos> Diablo-D3: I was just complaining that adding a second nearly-identical virtual host is annoying.
274 2011-03-22 04:07:20 <Diablo-D3> theymos: well, its not identical
275 2011-03-22 04:07:23 <Aciid> theymos: the other is for :443
276 2011-03-22 04:07:27 <Aciid> and has more directives
277 2011-03-22 04:07:28 <genjix> Aciid: i used this site http://library.linode.com/web-servers/apache/ssl-guides/using-ssl-ubuntu-10.10-maverick
278 2011-03-22 04:07:29 <Diablo-D3> because you can add ssl certs to :80
279 2011-03-22 04:07:33 <Diablo-D3> and get absolutely nothing
280 2011-03-22 04:07:36 <Aciid> genjix: any should do
281 2011-03-22 04:09:50 <genjix> Aciid: done!
282 2011-03-22 04:09:58 <genjix> ssl enabled
283 2011-03-22 04:10:06 <Aciid> genjix: well done!
284 2011-03-22 04:10:26 <Aciid> ???now I can leave to work with my mind on ease
285 2011-03-22 04:10:36 <genjix> :)
286 2011-03-22 04:11:42 <theymos> Previously I used rewrite rules to get the URL structure of blockexplorer.com, which was especially annoying when I had to make all changes twice to support SSL. (Now I wrote a PHP script that handles this.)
287 2011-03-22 04:16:25 <Blitzboom> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4763.msg69507#msg69507
288 2011-03-22 04:17:07 <Blitzboom> although there are e-wallets &
289 2011-03-22 04:19:18 <theymos> Most people should use EWallets. I'm not satisfied with any of the existing solutions, though.
290 2011-03-22 04:20:09 <Blitzboom> what are you dissatisfied with?
291 2011-03-22 04:21:17 <theymos> MtGox has a terrible interface. MyBitcoin accepts payments with only 1 confirmation, which makes their money unsafe.
292 2011-03-22 04:21:45 <Blitzboom> ok, that sums it up pretty good. didnt know the latter
293 2011-03-22 04:22:09 <Blitzboom> ive also heard that the owner of mybitcoin is anonymous
294 2011-03-22 04:22:40 <theymos> Yes, he is. He never answers requests for information on the forum.
295 2011-03-22 04:23:31 <Blitzboom> i dont see any basis to trust mybitcoin, then
296 2011-03-22 04:24:15 <lfm> jgarzik: it wont let me select algo sse2_64
297 2011-03-22 04:24:49 <jgarzik> lfm: is sse2_64 listed in "./minerd --help"?
298 2011-03-22 04:24:57 <Kiba> jgarzik: how pastecoin goes?
299 2011-03-22 04:25:10 <lfm> jgarzik: no
300 2011-03-22 04:25:21 <jgarzik> Kiba: no progress since you last asked
301 2011-03-22 04:25:45 <jgarzik> lfm: then it did not get built.  that requires yasm 1.0.1 (and the configure script finding yasm)
302 2011-03-22 04:25:49 <lfm> on a core2 quad
303 2011-03-22 04:25:53 <lfm> oh ok...
304 2011-03-22 04:28:16 <lfm> jgarzik: btw the error messages suck (dont exist) :-) but I guess you know that
305 2011-03-22 04:28:40 <theymos> I wonder how MyBitcoin handles required fees. I suppose they have so many coins of various sizes that they rarely encounter fees.
306 2011-03-22 04:30:02 <Blitzboom> i wonder how many bitcoins are on mybitcoin
307 2011-03-22 04:30:54 <lfm> I would think not really very many cuz it is so easy to set up your own bitcoin
308 2011-03-22 04:32:16 <theymos> If you constantly sent and received BTC of differing amounts from MyBitcoin, you could probably see all their coins, since Bitcoin doesn't send coins with less than 6 confirmations unless it's out of coins with more confirmations.
309 2011-03-22 04:34:48 <theymos> So deposit 200 BTC or whatever, then send yourself 0.01 repeatedly from MyBitcoin. MyBitcoin will run out of 6+ confirmation coins to send, looping back to coins that you've already seen. Then you know how many they have (all those from the first set).
310 2011-03-22 04:34:53 <Kiba> I like witcoin
311 2011-03-22 04:38:12 <Blitzboom> they require 6 confirmations for payouts but only 1 for accepting bitcoins?
312 2011-03-22 04:38:25 <jgarzik> lfm: configure script errors?
313 2011-03-22 04:39:00 <theymos> Blitzboom: That's something that the Bitcoin client does automatically. It prefers to send coins with 6 confirmations.
314 2011-03-22 04:39:20 <Blitzboom> ok
315 2011-03-22 04:40:20 <Blitzboom> sounds like an interesting experiment
316 2011-03-22 04:41:13 <meeper> the grc.com youtube video is hilarious
317 2011-03-22 04:41:17 <meeper> but it does a good job
318 2011-03-22 04:44:34 <Kiba> grc.com?
319 2011-03-22 04:48:54 <meeper> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQPSwA2Itbs&feature=player_detailpage#t=2514s
320 2011-03-22 04:49:21 <genjix> jgarzik: you have to propose features
321 2011-03-22 04:49:27 <genjix> that's why nothing shows
322 2011-03-22 04:49:35 <genjix> (nobody has made any proposals yet)
323 2011-03-22 04:49:47 <dissipate> meeper, hard drive recovery??
324 2011-03-22 04:49:53 <jgarzik> genjix: it's an underwhelming announcement if there is no data to wow people...
325 2011-03-22 04:50:45 <genjix> i'm sure people will figure out how it works
326 2011-03-22 04:51:29 <dissipate> i saw some test bounties up earlier
327 2011-03-22 04:51:38 <genjix> jgarzik: also why not add it to the signature? i think getting these bounties for core devs would be good for bitcoin
328 2011-03-22 04:51:49 <genjix> dissipate: yeah they were test spam
329 2011-03-22 04:51:50 <dissipate> shouldn't the first bounty be the bounty for the site? :O
330 2011-03-22 04:52:06 <meeper> what are some of the cooler bitcoin projects?
331 2011-03-22 04:52:20 <genjix> meeper: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4761.0
332 2011-03-22 04:52:26 <dissipate> meeper, http://bitcoin.cz.cc/
333 2011-03-22 04:53:09 <meeper> thanks
334 2011-03-22 04:53:37 <luke-jr> meeper: http://gitorious.org/bitcoin
335 2011-03-22 04:54:02 <theymos> Should the proposal specify payout terms?
336 2011-03-22 04:54:31 <genjix> whatever you wish
337 2011-03-22 04:55:00 <genjix> it's an open field to put whatever you want.
338 2011-03-22 04:55:17 <theymos> Who decides when the terms are met?
339 2011-03-22 04:55:55 <genjix> is it better if I do or the ticket owner does?
340 2011-03-22 04:56:15 <genjix> I guess you do.
341 2011-03-22 04:57:28 <dissipate> theymos, whoever put up the post.
342 2011-03-22 04:57:35 <theymos> OK
343 2011-03-22 04:57:52 <dissipate> ideally there would be ratings
344 2011-03-22 04:58:03 <genjix> the donation *is* the rating lol
345 2011-03-22 04:58:16 <genjix> ok dissipate makes the policy, i write the code
346 2011-03-22 04:58:18 <genjix> sounds good
347 2011-03-22 04:59:03 <Blitzboom> nice
348 2011-03-22 04:59:20 <dissipate> genjix, chicken and egg problem. people are much less likely to donate to someone who doesn't have a reputation.
349 2011-03-22 05:00:40 <genjix> dissipate: so should server operator decide payout then?
350 2011-03-22 05:01:41 <dissipate> nope. way too much overhead.
351 2011-03-22 05:01:46 <genjix> not that much overhead
352 2011-03-22 05:01:52 <genjix> look how slowly new features get added to bitcoin
353 2011-03-22 05:02:17 <dissipate> well for now. could get hefty.
354 2011-03-22 05:02:31 <genjix> worry about that if it happens then :p
355 2011-03-22 05:02:55 <genjix> otherwise it could be a nice bounty for core bitcoin dev
356 2011-03-22 05:03:01 <Blitzboom> dissipate: cant we have some sort of identification other than an ID?
357 2011-03-22 05:03:07 <dissipate> you could have appointed escrow agents who control the bounty. those agents would get rated.
358 2011-03-22 05:03:10 <genjix> e.g maybe some devs could even support themselves from donations
359 2011-03-22 05:03:25 <Blitzboom> GPG combined with the OTC WOT maybe?
360 2011-03-22 05:03:30 <dissipate> Blitzboom, yeah, GPG would be good.
361 2011-03-22 05:03:32 <Blitzboom> because this way, anyone could claim the donations
362 2011-03-22 05:03:34 <dissipate> claim them?
363 2011-03-22 05:03:42 <Blitzboom> i mean & not release them
364 2011-03-22 05:03:52 <Blitzboom> the bounty*
365 2011-03-22 05:04:33 <Blitzboom> request a popular feature, get hundreds of BTC and then just not release it
366 2011-03-22 05:04:58 <dissipate> who posted that first bounty?
367 2011-03-22 05:05:14 <genjix> yep i think server operator should verify payouts
368 2011-03-22 05:05:37 <dissipate> Blitzboom, right. that's why you need reputable escrow agents.
369 2011-03-22 05:05:44 <Blitzboom> oh wait, sorry
370 2011-03-22 05:05:45 <theymos> dissipate: I did.
371 2011-03-22 05:05:51 <Blitzboom> i thought anyone could set the address up
372 2011-03-22 05:06:06 <Blitzboom> i put up wallet encryption now
373 2011-03-22 05:06:16 <dissipate> Blitzboom, they can. that's why there needs to be ratings, as i said above.
374 2011-03-22 05:06:25 <meeper> where does bitcoin store the wallet by default?
375 2011-03-22 05:06:39 <Blitzboom> dissipate: ? the address was generated by the website
376 2011-03-22 05:06:41 <meeper> why does everybody want wallet encryption? why not just use truecrypt?
377 2011-03-22 05:06:44 <theymos> meeper: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Data_directory
378 2011-03-22 05:07:02 <Blitzboom> dont mind what i said before
379 2011-03-22 05:07:07 <Blitzboom> its alright like this
380 2011-03-22 05:07:54 <dissipate> genjix, the server operator could because it is only bitcoin and the number of bounties will be relatively small. in the general case, the server operator would have to be an expert in a huge number of technologies and types of software. it wouldn't work.
381 2011-03-22 05:08:56 <dissipate> meeper, truecrypt isn't entirely secure. it is a known problem for truecrypt that some stuff can end up in your swap unencrypted when your computer is reading from the true crypt volume.
382 2011-03-22 05:09:22 <theymos> Truecrypt your OS, then.
383 2011-03-22 05:09:40 <dissipate> i have full disk encryption myself.
384 2011-03-22 05:09:53 <genjix> dissipate: yep agree.
385 2011-03-22 05:10:17 <meeper> dissipate: really? I had no idea. holy crap
386 2011-03-22 05:10:24 <dissipate> wow, already 2 bounties up? interesting.
387 2011-03-22 05:10:37 <genjix> but this is for software dev. for other projects nefario's stock market would do fine.
388 2011-03-22 05:10:42 <dissipate> genjix, so you control all the addresses right now?
389 2011-03-22 05:11:32 <dissipate> meeper, yes, i *think* it is mentioned on the true crypt site.
390 2011-03-22 05:11:43 <genjix> yep
391 2011-03-22 05:12:33 <theymos> On Linux you can even dm-crypt your swap partition without encrypting your whole OS.
392 2011-03-22 05:14:03 <da2ce7> ;;bc,blocks
393 2011-03-22 05:14:04 <gribble> 114500
394 2011-03-22 05:14:32 <dissipate> meeper, see this: http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/paging-file
395 2011-03-22 05:15:05 <dissipate> swap leakage is a well known issue with true crypt. as theymos says, you are best off encrypting your swap as well.
396 2011-03-22 05:15:30 <Validus> smarter thing would be setup 2 cryptic partitions, so if you did get seized and forced to reveal a password you reveal the one for the partition of all your legal everything and never say nothing about the other :P
397 2011-03-22 05:16:12 <theymos> Validus: Then they'll ask you what that partition full of random data is.
398 2011-03-22 05:16:18 <Validus> they cant see that
399 2011-03-22 05:16:32 <dissipate> Validus, that's a separate issue from swap leakage
400 2011-03-22 05:16:42 <Validus> theres a few lil tricks you can do with truecrypt
401 2011-03-22 05:16:46 <theymos> They can if you have 2 disk partitions, or even if you use the Truecrypt "hidden OS" feature.
402 2011-03-22 05:16:52 <dissipate> theymos, they wouldn't be able to tell because it is a partition in a partition.
403 2011-03-22 05:17:02 <Validus> it hides it
404 2011-03-22 05:17:22 <theymos> Hidden volumes hide it, but you said "2 cryptic partitions".
405 2011-03-22 05:17:29 <Validus> funnier thing is to put on raid, and when they take the drives out to review seperately i would say about half arent smart enough to figure it out
406 2011-03-22 05:17:36 <Validus> it is cryptic
407 2011-03-22 05:17:38 <dissipate> Validus, i went the full disk encryption route myself. gives me better peace of mind. :)
408 2011-03-22 05:17:53 <lfm> i like putting a "dd if=/dev/urandom of=secret.dat bs=1024 count=93" type file in my home directory just for the hell of it.
409 2011-03-22 05:18:02 <Validus> if i was doing full disk id make a seperate one inside of it, depending what you have on there
410 2011-03-22 05:18:29 <Validus> that way you have one for all your regular stuff, legal, etc, then you have the other one that is completely hidden that they cant see
411 2011-03-22 05:18:43 <Validus> least thats better than peoples magnets ideas
412 2011-03-22 05:18:54 <theymos> Truecrypt's "Hidden OS" feature is pretty pointless IMO. It creates two partitions that are exactly the same size. It's obvious what you're doing.
413 2011-03-22 05:19:00 <Validus> if they got hardcore on you they have machines that can retrieve data off of broken harddrive fragments
414 2011-03-22 05:19:23 <Validus> theymos: if you set truecrypt up properly you can hide things inside the other one and they wont see it
415 2011-03-22 05:19:41 <Validus> i was actually told todo that by a security professional if you really wanna be safe
416 2011-03-22 05:20:06 <theymos> I'm aware of hidden volumes. But the "hidden OS" feature is not a real hidden volume.
417 2011-03-22 05:20:10 <lfm> Validus: hehe according to the conspiracy theorist they can recover data that way, in the real world it is rather doubtfull
418 2011-03-22 05:20:22 <Validus> lfm: its just expensive
419 2011-03-22 05:20:39 <lfm> ok tell me how much it costs?
420 2011-03-22 05:20:51 <Validus> write your senator and ask them
421 2011-03-22 05:20:56 <Validus> i dont have one
422 2011-03-22 05:20:57 <lfm> bs
423 2011-03-22 05:21:01 <Validus> whatever
424 2011-03-22 05:21:33 <meeper> is the bitcoin client stable on win7?
425 2011-03-22 05:21:45 <theymos> meeper: It is for me, though I'm using 0.3.15.
426 2011-03-22 05:21:48 <lfm> meeper: I use it on win 7 ok
427 2011-03-22 05:22:04 <meeper> hmm, just crashed for me, and now it won't start. suckage.
428 2011-03-22 05:22:26 <lfm> prolly your machine is crappy
429 2011-03-22 05:22:35 <Blitzboom> why .15, theymos?
430 2011-03-22 05:23:12 <lfm> meeper: if you want it do restart you prolly have to delete the data files and restart it
431 2011-03-22 05:23:35 <theymos> Blitzboom: It works fine.
432 2011-03-22 05:23:42 <Validus> ive never had to delete anything on win7 to have bitcoin run
433 2011-03-22 05:23:54 <Blitzboom> you suspect later versions to work less stable?
434 2011-03-22 05:24:11 <Blitzboom> ive no idea, thats why im asking
435 2011-03-22 05:24:14 <lfm> Validus: once it starts crashing it may corrupt the databases
436 2011-03-22 05:24:45 <Validus> i only had it crash once, then it was fine, id at least start backing things up before you start deleting things
437 2011-03-22 05:24:52 <Validus> could just be a simple issue
438 2011-03-22 05:25:39 <lfm> well ya if you wanna save any coins you have received or expect to receive save the wallet.dat, delete the rest
439 2011-03-22 05:26:26 <Blitzboom> ive never had bitcoin crash
440 2011-03-22 05:26:32 <theymos> Blitzboom: Based on the several complaints I've read, 0.3.20 "skips" received transactions occasionally, so I won't upgrade to that. .16-.19 are fine, though I don't need the features on my wallet-only client. I'm running 0.3.19.2 on my Internet-facing Bitcoin node.
441 2011-03-22 05:26:55 <meeper> so how long do transactions take in general? 1 hour?
442 2011-03-22 05:27:41 <lfm> meeper depends, typical txn take about 1 hour to get the nominal 6 confirmations ya
443 2011-03-22 05:27:55 <Blitzboom> i see
444 2011-03-22 05:28:07 <Validus> hmm i never saw .20 skip but i guess its possible
445 2011-03-22 05:28:21 <Blitzboom> i like the idea of a savings wallet that never gets exposed to the internet
446 2011-03-22 05:28:24 <Validus> or it could be ppl being impatient on it verifying
447 2011-03-22 05:28:56 <lfm> meeper when you first start it can take a long time to gather all the  current block chain before it really is ready to do regular transactions
448 2011-03-22 05:29:04 <Blitzboom> does it make sense to use more than a single address on a savings wallet?
449 2011-03-22 05:29:47 <lfm> Blitzboom: you dont have much choice most of the time it will creat new addresses for every txn
450 2011-03-22 05:30:02 <Blitzboom> i mean
451 2011-03-22 05:30:17 <Blitzboom> does it make sense NOT to send constantly to a single address?
452 2011-03-22 05:30:35 <lfm> for best privacy you use separate adresses for every txn also
453 2011-03-22 05:30:40 <Blitzboom> im not sure if i need pseudonimity on my savings
454 2011-03-22 05:30:50 <theymos> Blitzboom: I also use my 0.3.15 client to create regular transactions. It's "-connect"ed to my 0.3.19 client. My savings wallet is encrypted on a disk, in several addresses of various sizes so I don't have to break a single huge coin when I want to spend.
455 2011-03-22 05:31:17 <lfm> Blitzboom: so ya it will still work fine if you only use one normal receive address
456 2011-03-22 05:31:42 <Blitzboom> of course, im just wondering whether i want that
457 2011-03-22 05:32:00 <Blitzboom> could turn out to be a disadvantage in the future
458 2011-03-22 05:32:25 <lfm> Blitzboom: just it may get confusing if you are expecting similar ammounts from different sources and they all use the same address
459 2011-03-22 05:33:04 <Blitzboom> anyway: is there an easy way to create a bunch of (like 1000) addresses and copy them (the public hash) to a file?
460 2011-03-22 05:33:19 <Blitzboom> this would make it much easier for me
461 2011-03-22 05:33:35 <lfm> ya use the command line "newaddress" command and capture the output
462 2011-03-22 05:34:42 <lfm> make sure you back up your wallet then too
463 2011-03-22 05:35:01 <Blitzboom> im looking at https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Original_Bitcoin_client/API_Calls_list
464 2011-03-22 05:35:52 <lfm> getnewaddress [account]
465 2011-03-22 05:35:55 <Blitzboom> yeah
466 2011-03-22 05:36:16 <Blitzboom> just copypaste 1000 times? ok
467 2011-03-22 05:36:35 <lfm> if you like work
468 2011-03-22 05:37:12 <Blitzboom> it should be easy to script
469 2011-03-22 05:37:18 <mmagic> rubber-hose encryption..!
470 2011-03-22 05:37:19 <lfm> bash can do a loop 1000 times real easy
471 2011-03-22 05:37:46 <Blitzboom> can you tell me how to?
472 2011-03-22 05:37:57 <mmagic> for i in $( seq 1 1000 ); do blah; done
473 2011-03-22 05:38:13 <lfm> ya sure make a bash loop, put the getnewaddress command in it
474 2011-03-22 05:38:25 <mmagic> or..  for (( i=0; i < 1000; i=i+1 )); do blah; done
475 2011-03-22 05:38:34 <theymos> or for i in {0..1000}
476 2011-03-22 05:38:50 <Blitzboom> ok, ill try it out. thanks
477 2011-03-22 05:38:57 <mmagic> the list thing won't work if the arglist expands out to something too big.
478 2011-03-22 05:39:08 <mmagic> (same problem with the seq)
479 2011-03-22 05:41:29 <lfm> i=0; while [ $i -lt 1000 ] ; do i=$(($i+1)); blah ; done
480 2011-03-22 05:42:00 <lfm> work on any /bin/sh even if not bash
481 2011-03-22 05:47:33 <theymos> You could also run "watch -n 0.1 ./bitcoind getnewaddress >>file" for 100 seconds.
482 2011-03-22 05:51:10 <mmagic> i=0; while [ $i -lt 1000 ] ; do i=$(($i+1)); echo $i; done ---> Illegal variable name.
483 2011-03-22 05:51:13 <mmagic> :P
484 2011-03-22 05:51:35 <mmagic> sorry
485 2011-03-22 05:51:44 <mmagic> being nit-picky today.
486 2011-03-22 05:51:51 <mmagic> i'll stop
487 2011-03-22 05:58:01 <lfm> mmagic: hmmm works for me, what shell did you use?
488 2011-03-22 06:00:23 <mmagic> tcsh which is the default sh on old mac; also on old netbsd for root (but not toor); also that might fail on old Solaris but .. i don't remember now.
489 2011-03-22 06:00:57 <lfm> ok ya csh variants wont do it,
490 2011-03-22 06:01:04 <mmagic> and honestly it doesn't matter, since it's a corner case, the users of which wouldn't be caught anyway
491 2011-03-22 06:01:11 <lfm> they should not be linked to /bin/sh tho
492 2011-03-22 06:03:15 <lfm> ya pre-posix the $((exp)) might not work
493 2011-03-22 06:04:02 <Keefe> theymos: i think i've seen the "skipping" you describe also
494 2011-03-22 06:04:59 <Keefe> transactions initiated from another computer using the same wallet, don't always show up on the first one
495 2011-03-22 06:05:29 <Blitzboom> Keefe: yeah, ive experienced it today
496 2011-03-22 06:05:47 <Blitzboom> they show up after they are included in the block though
497 2011-03-22 06:05:54 <Keefe> .13 on the pc i do all transactions on, .19 on the pc i use for viewing only
498 2011-03-22 06:06:34 <Keefe> Blitzboom: i think what i'm experiencing is a little different
499 2011-03-22 06:06:55 <Keefe> though i haven't given it a whole lot of attention
500 2011-03-22 06:07:09 <lfm> ya trying to use one wallet in two places is just asking for trouble
501 2011-03-22 06:07:10 <Keefe> i just copy the wallet over when i suspect it's not showing everything
502 2011-03-22 06:07:22 <Keefe> use on one pc, view on another
503 2011-03-22 06:07:25 <Blitzboom> err
504 2011-03-22 06:07:28 <Blitzboom> i used two wallets
505 2011-03-22 06:07:35 <theymos> I've seen 3-5 reports of seemingly-normal transactions that don't show up until a -rescan is done. Maybe they were doing something odd with their wallets, but it sounded to me like they were just normal transactions.
506 2011-03-22 06:08:06 <Blitzboom> i need an offline PC
507 2011-03-22 06:08:12 <lfm> sometimes they are new users and havnt got the whole block chain yet
508 2011-03-22 06:08:21 <Blitzboom> should i buy one just for bitcoin?
509 2011-03-22 06:08:21 <Keefe> and yes i know that it's possible the 100 key buffer just got used up, but i think i've seen it happen very soon after a copy when i shouldn't have used nearly 100 keys yet
510 2011-03-22 06:08:40 <lfm> bitcoin doesnt make much sense offline
511 2011-03-22 06:08:59 <Blitzboom> lol, guess youre right
512 2011-03-22 06:09:04 <Blitzboom> a usb stick would suffice
513 2011-03-22 06:09:11 <Blitzboom> several backups on offline mediums
514 2011-03-22 06:09:31 <Blitzboom> mediums you never insert into an online PC
515 2011-03-22 06:09:44 <Blitzboom> media*
516 2011-03-22 06:10:50 <Blitzboom> i really need to do that, else ill just go paranoid
517 2011-03-22 06:38:38 <genjix> :o
518 2011-03-22 06:38:44 <genjix> mybitcoin is a scam?
519 2011-03-22 06:38:45 <genjix> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4489.0
520 2011-03-22 06:40:27 <theymos> It's not a scam. Just unreliable.
521 2011-03-22 07:22:48 <Blitzboom> http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/stats/timeline
522 2011-03-22 07:22:50 <Blitzboom> nice spike
523 2011-03-22 07:23:38 <theymos> From Reddit, maybe?
524 2011-03-22 07:23:48 <`Jaka> wait
525 2011-03-22 07:23:52 <`Jaka> what happened
526 2011-03-22 07:23:56 <`Jaka> with the chinese influx
527 2011-03-22 07:24:12 <Blitzboom> yeah, probably http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/g7zlw/google_engineer_releases_open_source_bitcoin/ caused it
528 2011-03-22 07:24:24 <Blitzboom> really huge discussion there
529 2011-03-22 07:24:48 <lfm> why did it drop right back down?
530 2011-03-22 07:24:59 <Blitzboom> because its a new day, lfm
531 2011-03-22 07:25:56 <Blitzboom> slashdot/security now was when &?
532 2011-03-22 07:27:45 <Blitzboom> k, last slashdot was february 10th
533 2011-03-22 07:28:13 <Blitzboom> price could rise significantly again, lets see
534 2011-03-22 07:56:41 <FellowTraveler> hi all
535 2011-03-22 07:57:05 <lfm> hi