1 2011-03-23 00:07:45 <Sargun_Screen> anyone here play with financial products in bitcoin
  2 2011-03-23 00:09:37 <dirtyfilthy> i've seen people offer call options
  3 2011-03-23 00:14:56 <Sargun_Screen> Would you put your money into a secured account
  4 2011-03-23 00:15:15 <Sargun_Screen> Where your rate would be anywhere between .1-N%
  5 2011-03-23 00:15:19 <noagendamarket> http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1663664&p=-1&#bottom   these people are unbelievable
  6 2011-03-23 00:16:03 <dirtyfilthy> Sargun_Screen: i'd have to know more + a lot would depend on trust level
  7 2011-03-23 00:16:24 <noagendamarket> its like arguing with  the government its pointless lol
  8 2011-03-23 00:16:44 <noagendamarket> it makes you understand why things are the way they are though
  9 2011-03-23 00:21:49 <molecular> "You better put on your tin foil hat." <- at some point it just becomes a bit hard to argue with these people
 10 2011-03-23 00:23:31 <molecular> just wait until we're called "alpacasock-wearing crypto-hippies"
 11 2011-03-23 00:25:10 <Blitzboom> hahaha molecular
 12 2011-03-23 00:25:10 <tcatm> nanotube: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10284953/wxgui.png
 13 2011-03-23 00:25:47 <Blitzboom> that your wallet?
 14 2011-03-23 00:25:50 <tcatm> yep
 15 2011-03-23 00:25:57 <Blitzboom> nice
 16 2011-03-23 00:26:33 <theymos> It's testnet.
 17 2011-03-23 00:26:34 <molecular> envy!
 18 2011-03-23 00:26:43 <molecular> undo envy!
 19 2011-03-23 00:26:46 <Blitzboom> ah, ok
 20 2011-03-23 00:27:05 <luke-jr> hmm
 21 2011-03-23 00:27:13 <molecular> so you're the guy driving difficulty on testnet, tcatm  ;)
 22 2011-03-23 00:27:22 <luke-jr> that's a nice idea, to show self-payment as a single item
 23 2011-03-23 00:27:28 <tcatm> I'm changing the GUI. What do you think?
 24 2011-03-23 00:27:36 <luke-jr> oh, what does it normally look like? XD
 25 2011-03-23 00:27:44 <molecular> looks cleaner
 26 2011-03-23 00:27:48 <Blitzboom> i think its nice
 27 2011-03-23 00:28:07 <tcatm> luke-jr: http://www.bitcoin.org/sites/default/files/screen3.png
 28 2011-03-23 00:28:21 <molecular> yeah, screw the sent/received/... tabs
 29 2011-03-23 00:28:36 <theymos> Why no "Your Bitcoin address"? I use that all the time.
 30 2011-03-23 00:28:53 <luke-jr> ah, Spesmilo copied it
 31 2011-03-23 00:29:14 <luke-jr> theymos: to discourage address reuse I presume
 32 2011-03-23 00:29:50 <molecular> maybe a "receive coin" next to "send coin" could pop up a fresh address <- nicely consistent ?
 33 2011-03-23 00:29:54 <luke-jr> tcatm: I'd add a setting, so clicking New Address can simply go straight to clipboard
 34 2011-03-23 00:30:16 <tcatm> that would confuse users
 35 2011-03-23 00:30:21 <molecular> and in the popup with the fresh adress, you might as well be able to name it
 36 2011-03-23 00:30:23 <aksoo> would there be a problem with combining the debit and credit fields but using + or - icons near the bitcoins sent/received?
 37 2011-03-23 00:30:26 <luke-jr> tcatm: how?
 38 2011-03-23 00:30:34 <molecular> how is that confusing?
 39 2011-03-23 00:30:52 <tcatm> if we didn't show them the address first and just copy it to the clipboard. they wouldn't even notice that
 40 2011-03-23 00:31:01 <luke-jr> aksoo: Spesmilo does that
 41 2011-03-23 00:31:09 <molecular> I didnt say that
 42 2011-03-23 00:31:11 <luke-jr> tcatm: that's why I said a setting for it :p
 43 2011-03-23 00:31:14 <luke-jr> defaulting to off
 44 2011-03-23 00:31:15 <theymos> I prefer the current UI. I use the tabs and the "your address" area.
 45 2011-03-23 00:31:28 <molecular> "receive coins" could open a modal dialog, just like "receive coins"
 46 2011-03-23 00:31:37 <molecular> showing the address and an input field to name it
 47 2011-03-23 00:31:42 <aksoo> luke-jr: spesmilo?
 48 2011-03-23 00:32:00 <tcatm> I want to replace the tabs with check/option boxes.
 49 2011-03-23 00:32:20 <luke-jr> aksoo: yeah, http://gitorious.org/bitcoin/spesmilo
 50 2011-03-23 00:32:32 <tcatm> Maybe even add a search box.
 51 2011-03-23 00:32:32 <theymos> Checkboxes would be better than tabs.
 52 2011-03-23 00:32:51 <molecular> tcatm, checkboxes in the table headers (debit, credit)?
 53 2011-03-23 00:33:09 <tcatm> I'm not sure what do with the "your address" box yet.
 54 2011-03-23 00:33:22 <molecular> do away with it
 55 2011-03-23 00:33:26 <luke-jr> http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/screenshots/snapshot61.png
 56 2011-03-23 00:33:39 <molecular> it confuses users into thinking they have exactly one address
 57 2011-03-23 00:33:42 <tcatm> It's useful, but not easy to understand.
 58 2011-03-23 00:33:53 <Blitzboom> molecular: yes, ive experienced that, too
 59 2011-03-23 00:34:02 <Blitzboom> tcatm: exactly like bitcoin, heh
 60 2011-03-23 00:34:20 <theymos> One thing I would like is a total for sent and received over all transactions in the current view. This total could also just apply to the currently-selected transactions, if more than one transaction is selected.
 61 2011-03-23 00:35:00 <Blitzboom> yeah, thatd be nice for calculations
 62 2011-03-23 00:35:03 <molecular> I kinda like the "receive coins" idea. cause that's usually the workflow: you want a fresh address in your clipboard and also name that address
 63 2011-03-23 00:35:56 <molecular> so why not pop open a dialog with the adress displayed, a text-field for the name and a "copy to clipboard" button?
 64 2011-03-23 00:36:11 <tcatm> molecular: that's the idea
 65 2011-03-23 00:36:14 <[Tycho]> Nice PR skills there... http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4291.msg70132#msg70132
 66 2011-03-23 00:36:20 <molecular> tcatm, it is?
 67 2011-03-23 00:37:15 <tcatm> yep. to encourage users to label all their receiving addresses
 68 2011-03-23 00:38:02 <slush> sendmany with one output looks exactly as normal payment, right?
 69 2011-03-23 00:38:11 <tcatm> slush: yep
 70 2011-03-23 00:38:13 <slush> so it pass thru IsStandard
 71 2011-03-23 00:38:20 <tcatm> same for two outputs
 72 2011-03-23 00:38:58 <slush> ok. So when there are not enough testnet nodes relaying multitx, recipiend don't see the tx before it is included into block
 73 2011-03-23 00:39:00 <slush> correct?
 74 2011-03-23 00:39:16 <tcatm> yep
 75 2011-03-23 00:39:20 <slush> cool
 76 2011-03-23 00:40:44 <molecular> tcatm, oh god! I totally didn't see the "new address" up there :p
 77 2011-03-23 00:42:36 <luke-jr> lol
 78 2011-03-23 00:43:08 <tcatm> molecular: it needs an icon
 79 2011-03-23 00:43:12 <molecular> yes!
 80 2011-03-23 00:43:49 <tcatm> I also renamed Settings -> Generate Coins to Validate Transactions
 81 2011-03-23 00:44:12 <molecular> tcatm, brilliant!
 82 2011-03-23 00:44:44 <theymos> Bitcoin should display a warning about unprofitability the first time you enable generation.
 83 2011-03-23 00:45:06 <luke-jr> the builtin miner should just be stripped out entirely
 84 2011-03-23 00:45:09 <luke-jr> but that's another changeset
 85 2011-03-23 00:45:29 <molecular> I still opt for renaming "new address" to "receive coins" and move it left of "address book" :p
 86 2011-03-23 00:45:55 <luke-jr> since you need to "receive" before someone can sent
 87 2011-03-23 00:45:56 <luke-jr> send*
 88 2011-03-23 00:46:01 <molecular> luke-jr, also good
 89 2011-03-23 00:47:01 <Blitzboom> tcatm: validate transactions could be very missleading
 90 2011-03-23 00:47:17 <Blitzboom> people would think they need to leave it on in order to validate their own transactions
 91 2011-03-23 00:48:30 <theymos> It should be buried in the settings page so most people don't see it.
 92 2011-03-23 00:48:38 <slush> [Tycho]: actually I don't know if it is PR or geebus and fairuser are so dumb
 93 2011-03-23 00:48:43 <molecular> "support foreign transactions"
 94 2011-03-23 00:49:37 <luke-jr> in case anyone here had that anonymous VPS from me& you're 3 days late on payment for this month! contact me to get the VPS back :P
 95 2011-03-23 00:49:57 <xenon481> [slush]: I don't understand how both geebus and fairuser can just completely misunderstand everything about how mining truly works.
 96 2011-03-23 00:50:13 <luke-jr>  Waste CPU time
 97 2011-03-23 00:50:34 <xenon481> They are so deluded in their own heads that they are the only ones that understand anything.
 98 2011-03-23 00:50:46 <slush> xenon481: well, they mainly don't need to understand the stuff, they are using tools of other people. Except few stats in poclbm and crippled timeout settings :))
 99 2011-03-23 00:51:54 <xenon481> That's the most dangerous type of progammer. One that can change code, but doesn't understand why the code is the way it is.
100 2011-03-23 00:52:24 <molecular> that doesn't only apply to programmers
101 2011-03-23 00:52:50 <theymos> Is FairUser still arguing about mining inefficiency?
102 2011-03-23 00:52:59 <slush> we cannot do nothing with that. Unfortunately they are loud enough to convince other users that they are right :)
103 2011-03-23 00:53:58 <Sargun_Screen> dirtyfilthy: How does one establish trust? An SSL certificate? :P
104 2011-03-23 00:54:09 <Sargun_Screen> dirtyfilthy: I could have corporation B insure the bonds.
105 2011-03-23 00:54:29 <Sargun_Screen> s/bonds/account/
106 2011-03-23 00:54:58 <dirtyfilthy> it'd have to be that kind of scenario
107 2011-03-23 00:55:44 <[Tycho]> "<slush> [Tycho]: actually I don't know if it is PR" - i was talking about the "it is my preference to think you're an ass" part :)
108 2011-03-23 00:56:00 <Sargun_Screen> dirtyfilthy: Are there any insurance companies doing bitcoin
109 2011-03-23 00:56:09 <Sargun_Screen> dirtyfilthy: insurance is a federally regulated industry
110 2011-03-23 00:56:23 <dirtyfilthy> no
111 2011-03-23 00:56:26 <slush> :)
112 2011-03-23 00:57:10 <xenon481> It took a bit of restraint from me to not respond to that.....
113 2011-03-23 00:57:13 <Sargun_Screen> dirtyfilthy: so you can't insure the account.
114 2011-03-23 00:57:30 <Sargun_Screen> Would you guys buy insurance for bitcoin financial products say?
115 2011-03-23 00:57:45 <slush> I'm screwed with sendmany
116 2011-03-23 00:57:52 <slush> I must be blind or there is some bug
117 2011-03-23 00:57:57 <dirtyfilthy> you can escrow it though, with a party with more trut than you have
118 2011-03-23 00:58:03 <dirtyfilthy> *trust
119 2011-03-23 00:58:23 <tcatm> slush: what's not working?
120 2011-03-23 00:58:47 <slush> I sent few txes to 3 my addresses. The total receiving amount is OK, but I see another addresses in sending "listtransactions" than in incoming GUI
121 2011-03-23 00:59:12 <tcatm> ?
122 2011-03-23 00:59:13 <luke-jr> change?
123 2011-03-23 01:00:04 <slush> total sent 53BTC to mkDNoL7nEsSLNNufvhAmB3YrDVV4RkiUaq  (testnet)
124 2011-03-23 01:00:37 <slush> but GUI (receiving part) shows only 13 BTC coming into this wallet
125 2011-03-23 01:01:58 <tcatm> is that tx already in a block?
126 2011-03-23 01:02:12 <slush> yep, I mined it before fe minutes
127 2011-03-23 01:02:14 <slush> few
128 2011-03-23 01:04:04 <tcatm> http://blockexplorer.com/testnet/tx/40f65564835b589ad9a72364c03e5b5ee67761c390f040a35fd98b051ffc5fb6 ?
129 2011-03-23 01:04:40 <slush> yes, this one of them
130 2011-03-23 01:04:47 <slush> http://blockexplorer.com/testnet/tx/6a8fa8cd8c18f431e57a4e845317d7e96e8df8a75bf9ec2b47607a7cab1dd2b5
131 2011-03-23 01:04:50 <slush> but this is better...
132 2011-03-23 01:05:04 <slush> mry... and mkD are both my address in one client
133 2011-03-23 01:05:15 <slush> and I see that as one incoming payment
134 2011-03-23 01:05:39 <slush> that's the reason why listtransaction from sending side does not fit the incoming side
135 2011-03-23 01:07:17 <necrodearia> update: posts in any category under nsfw parent category no longer appears on home page results.
136 2011-03-23 01:07:30 <slush> that's pretty counter intuitive, but I finally understand what happen
137 2011-03-23 01:10:17 <jgarzik> slush: do you use xlisttransactions?
138 2011-03-23 01:10:41 <slush> no, should I?
139 2011-03-23 01:11:31 <molecular> tcatm, bitcoincharts is awesome, will have to donate :p
140 2011-03-23 01:11:58 <jgarzik> slush: it's a patch, but some people prefer those results.  Here is an output from a miner box:  http://pastebin.com/V1c4t3eT
141 2011-03-23 01:12:03 <jgarzik> s/miner/pool server/
142 2011-03-23 01:13:01 <slush> jgarzik: it's similar like listtransactions in .21, right?
143 2011-03-23 01:13:23 <slush> or I'm dumb because I don't see difference :)
144 2011-03-23 01:14:32 <tcatm> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10284953/wxgui2.png
145 2011-03-23 01:14:42 <jgarzik> slush: vaguely...  xlisttransactions attempts to reproduce the same transaction list as you would see it in the GUI.  Unlike listtransactions, unconfirmed generated blocks are shown.
146 2011-03-23 01:15:05 <slush> oh, that's good point
147 2011-03-23 01:15:06 <jgarzik> xlisttransactions is not as tied to account system as listtransactions.  I don't really use accounts.
148 2011-03-23 01:15:10 <slush> Thanks, I'll merge it
149 2011-03-23 01:15:18 <slush> me too
150 2011-03-23 01:15:30 <jgarzik> slush: it is maintained at jgarzik/bitcoin.git#xlisttransactions, if you use git
151 2011-03-23 01:15:45 <slush> I'll take a look
152 2011-03-23 01:16:57 <Blitzboom> tcatm: why would you need an exit button?
153 2011-03-23 01:17:37 <Blitzboom> but apart from that, i think this is great
154 2011-03-23 01:18:16 <Blitzboom> ok, one more detail: why doesnt payment to oyourself actually show the payment?
155 2011-03-23 01:18:31 <Blitzboom> id like to know what i transferred to myself
156 2011-03-23 01:19:06 <theymos> Bitcoin can't distinguish between change and non-change in payments to self, so the amount isn't known sometimes.
157 2011-03-23 01:19:08 <tcatm> The net amount is zero. What should I show? :)
158 2011-03-23 01:19:34 <Blitzboom> sure it is, but transactions arent about balance
159 2011-03-23 01:19:46 <Blitzboom> theymos: hmm, alright
160 2011-03-23 01:21:59 <tcatm> Those "payments to yourself" are actually payments where I sent coins to one of my own addresses so bitcoin knows the credit and debit.
161 2011-03-23 01:22:14 <tcatm> see http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10284953/wxgui.png
162 2011-03-23 01:23:29 <Blitzboom> why not keep it that way?
163 2011-03-23 01:23:42 <Blitzboom> confusing?
164 2011-03-23 01:24:29 <theymos> Bitcoin doesn't always know the credits and debits: http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/384/selfv.png
165 2011-03-23 01:25:10 <molecular> I wouldn't remove the menu, gn8
166 2011-03-23 01:38:17 <kiba`> Kiba versus The Pickle Jar
167 2011-03-23 01:49:13 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr <luke-jr+git@utopios.org> * r67c4a3a1de1e spesmilo/i18n/eo_EO.ts: update eo_EO to the best of my minimal ability
168 2011-03-23 01:53:42 <slush> what's the syntax for sendmany in shell?
169 2011-03-23 01:54:28 <luke-jr> IIRC a=b,c=d
170 2011-03-23 01:54:35 <luke-jr> it's not documented in help?
171 2011-03-23 01:54:53 <slush> sendmany <fromaccount> {address:amount,...}
172 2011-03-23 01:54:56 <slush> but this does not work
173 2011-03-23 01:56:15 <xenon481> So, now geebus is saying that the mining programs are all flawed and don't produce results correctly out of the first 1% of a getwork.
174 2011-03-23 01:57:18 <theymos> Wasn't this all already discussed months ago? https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3076.0
175 2011-03-23 01:58:23 <jgarzik> slush: are you quoting properly?
176 2011-03-23 01:59:08 <slush> I don't know what is 'properly'
177 2011-03-23 01:59:14 <jgarzik> bitcoind -datadir=/garz/bitcoin/data sendmany 'xf2_fees' '{"1MgD6rah5zUgEGYZnNmdpnXMaDR3itKYzU":0.03, "1HmxACRTTh6ryRaJoUAjuLYDKzyQdSRUbv" : 0.02, "17wt3PdqNBoMAa9mQis3qcEr4biu1cDJtf" : 0.01 }'
178 2011-03-23 01:59:39 <slush> hm, i used quotes in reversed order
179 2011-03-23 01:59:44 <slush> " in outer and ' in inner
180 2011-03-23 01:59:47 <jgarzik> slush: characters like '{' must be escaped, otherwise you are programming the shell
181 2011-03-23 02:03:12 <slush> jgarzik: great, it works with switched quotes
182 2011-03-23 02:07:20 <nanotube> tcatm: looks good to me :)
183 2011-03-23 02:20:55 <da2ce7> ;;bc,help
184 2011-03-23 02:20:55 <gribble> Alias bc,bcm, Alias bc,blocks, Alias bc,btcex, Alias bc,calc, Alias bc,calcd, Alias bc,diff, Alias bc,estimate, Alias bc,gen, Alias bc,gend, Alias bc,help, Alias bc,hextarget, Alias bc,labs, Alias bc,lbs, Alias bc,markets, Alias bc,mtgox, Alias bc,nexttarget, Alias bc,poolstats, Alias bc,prob, Alias bc,stats, Alias bc,timetonext, Alias bc,totalbc, and Alias bc,wiki
185 2011-03-23 02:21:11 <da2ce7> ;;help
186 2011-03-23 02:21:12 <gribble> The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/
187 2011-03-23 02:21:28 <da2ce7> ;;seen Fellow-Traveler
188 2011-03-23 02:21:28 <gribble> I have not seen Fellow-Traveler.
189 2011-03-23 02:22:28 <nanotube> tcatm: and feel free to credit me for the idea of removing the 'your address' text box, if it does get merged :D
190 2011-03-23 02:23:35 <theymos> da2ce7: He uses "FellowTraveler", I believe.
191 2011-03-23 02:24:38 <nanotube> tcatm: and an idea for filtering the tx list: place check boxes in debit and credit table headers. both checked by default, can uncheck one or the other to filter debit/credit. then also can put in a text filter box to search by text (which would search address/label)
192 2011-03-23 02:27:09 <jgarzik> wow, my tiny little 2G pool sure is lucky in the past 24 hrs
193 2011-03-23 02:27:21 <xenon481> Thank you, slush, for that awesome reply.
194 2011-03-23 02:27:37 <slush> yw
195 2011-03-23 02:33:40 <Sean93> why is the score for my worker 0 even though ive been mining all day
196 2011-03-23 02:34:16 <slush> Sean93: score is calculated on end of every round
197 2011-03-23 02:34:21 <slush> Sean93: and then set back to zero
198 2011-03-23 02:34:31 <slush> Check Statistics page for your reward from every block
199 2011-03-23 02:35:10 <nanotube> jgarzik: how many blocks? :)
200 2011-03-23 02:37:00 <Sean93> why are all my reward 0.00000000000 BTC??
201 2011-03-23 02:37:26 <slush> jgarzik: I'm mining almost two weeks with 1.1ghash rig and didn't find a block yet
202 2011-03-23 02:37:47 <slush> Sean93: don't have an idea. how much Mhash/s do you have?
203 2011-03-23 02:38:14 <Sean93> like 0.5 :D
204 2011-03-23 02:38:29 <slush> it's really zero? Or something really small?
205 2011-03-23 02:38:35 <Sean93> 0
206 2011-03-23 02:38:47 <slush> do you see some submitted shares in your miner?
207 2011-03-23 02:39:07 <slush> ok, tell me your nick, please
208 2011-03-23 02:39:19 <Sean93> chronic
209 2011-03-23 02:40:47 <slush> hm, you didn't submitted single share
210 2011-03-23 02:40:52 <slush> a) You're unlucky
211 2011-03-23 02:40:57 <slush> b) Something is broken on your side
212 2011-03-23 02:41:25 <slush> the worker was connected whole day?
213 2011-03-23 02:41:36 <Sean93> most of it
214 2011-03-23 02:41:58 <slush> hm, 0.5Mhash is really poor
215 2011-03-23 02:42:05 <slush> one share in 2 hours in average
216 2011-03-23 02:42:09 <Validus> cpu?
217 2011-03-23 02:42:10 <slush> so 12 shares per day
218 2011-03-23 02:42:45 <slush> but if you was connected only part of the time, then have no share isn't so much impossible
219 2011-03-23 02:43:00 <Sean93> what do you mean?
220 2011-03-23 02:43:09 <slush> I mean this can be normal :)
221 2011-03-23 02:43:15 <slush> with your... hrm... speed
222 2011-03-23 02:43:19 <Sean93> lol
223 2011-03-23 02:44:02 <slush> but check your miner if it is really connected
224 2011-03-23 02:44:12 <slush> do you see some errors?
225 2011-03-23 02:44:19 <Sean93> no
226 2011-03-23 02:44:29 <Sean93> [2011-02-23 03:44:12] thread 0: 2258882 hashes, 589.13 khash/sec
227 2011-03-23 02:44:33 <slush> hm, then I hope you're lucky at least in the love
228 2011-03-23 02:44:47 <Sean93> if only :P
229 2011-03-23 02:45:33 <slush> [Tycho]: do you accept sendmany?
230 2011-03-23 02:45:47 <slush> who nobody wants my multi transaction?
231 2011-03-23 02:46:01 <slush> s/who/why/
232 2011-03-23 02:46:10 <Validus> there an advantage to running bitcoind? or should i just do bitcoin --server
233 2011-03-23 02:46:21 <Validus> gui means nothing really
234 2011-03-23 02:47:13 <[Tycho]> slush, i will accept sendmany after next bitcoind restart. Or already do.
235 2011-03-23 02:47:53 <theymos> blockexplorer.com has always relayed sendmany transactions (and all other non-standard transactions).
236 2011-03-23 02:48:29 <slush> shame on all of you
237 2011-03-23 02:48:35 <slush> I had to include my own txs
238 2011-03-23 02:48:52 <slush> :)
239 2011-03-23 02:48:54 <slush> Good night
240 2011-03-23 02:49:03 <Validus> n/m
241 2011-03-23 02:49:07 <[Tycho]> I just don't remember if i did it after compiling or before.
242 2011-03-23 02:53:08 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr <luke-jr+git@utopios.org> * r4dfa33d66a0d spesmilo/i18n/eo_EO.ts: correct eo_EO lang attr
243 2011-03-23 02:54:24 <da2ce7> ;;seen FellowTraveler
244 2011-03-23 02:54:24 <gribble> FellowTraveler was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 18 hours, 57 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <FellowTraveler> hi all
245 2011-03-23 02:57:45 <da2ce7> "(
246 2011-03-23 02:57:46 <da2ce7> :(
247 2011-03-23 03:05:10 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr <luke-jr+git@utopios.org> * r4dfa33d66a0d spesmilo/i18n/eo_EO.ts: correct eo_EO lang attr
248 2011-03-23 03:05:26 <luke-jr> oh, I was just in the wrong channel last time
249 2011-03-23 03:10:50 <meeper> would people be interested in a more robust bounty web service btw?
250 2011-03-23 03:14:39 <meelu> i got 80k blocks in under an hour is this usual?
251 2011-03-23 03:15:05 <[Tycho]> meelu, it's chain downloading.
252 2011-03-23 03:15:21 <meelu> sorry what is?
253 2011-03-23 03:15:44 <gribble> 114613
254 2011-03-23 03:15:44 <theymos> You're downloading every block ever generated in the past. There are: ,,bc,blocks
255 2011-03-23 03:16:09 <meelu> 114609
256 2011-03-23 03:16:23 <kiba> I don't understand socialists
257 2011-03-23 03:16:26 <luke-jr> meeper: give genjix a break, he literally JUST wrote it
258 2011-03-23 03:16:36 <[Tycho]> theymos, are you the author of bitcoinmonitor ?
259 2011-03-23 03:16:37 <luke-jr> meeper: I'm sure he'd accept patches too
260 2011-03-23 03:16:45 <theymos> [Tycho]: No.
261 2011-03-23 03:16:55 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: you mean #bitcoin-watch ?
262 2011-03-23 03:17:04 <[Tycho]> No.
263 2011-03-23 03:17:30 <meeper> luke-jr: I saw genjix's stuff. not a big fan of php. but perhaps bounty is the wrong word. I mean something more general where two parties agree to terms and payment is made automatically X
264 2011-03-23 03:17:50 <meelu> big fan of python here
265 2011-03-23 03:17:51 <meeper> luke-jr: the sort of thing you might want if you, say, wanted somebody to design a web site and pay them in btc
266 2011-03-23 03:18:19 <meeper> luke-jr: perhaps something like this already exists? or is this all done through the marketplces and free form convos?
267 2011-03-23 03:18:35 <luke-jr> meeper: that's an escrow
268 2011-03-23 03:18:39 <luke-jr> ClearCoin
269 2011-03-23 03:19:35 <meeper> luke-jr: yeah, similar to escrow, though not so much focused on the exchange of physical products as the completion of work. and it may not require all the money up front. terms and milestones might be a little more flexible
270 2011-03-23 03:19:54 <luke-jr> meeper: I don't see a difference.
271 2011-03-23 03:20:11 <luke-jr> unless you're acting as a mediator
272 2011-03-23 03:20:27 <meelu> i can't run generate coins on multiple machines can i?
273 2011-03-23 03:20:34 <meeper> luke-jr: as a mediator, gate keeper, reputation provider, and ultimately market maker
274 2011-03-23 03:20:37 <kiba> noagendamarket: so you organized a bitcoin mining company, right? Did it ever go anywhere?
275 2011-03-23 03:20:52 <luke-jr> meelu: you can, but it's worthless on a CPU
276 2011-03-23 03:21:32 <meelu> how so?
277 2011-03-23 03:21:35 <noagendamarket> kiba thats on a need to know basis :)
278 2011-03-23 03:21:36 <meeper> luke-jr: does something like this not exist? I thought a common use-case for btc was tapping web/software talent
279 2011-03-23 03:21:40 <luke-jr> meelu: CPUs are too crappy
280 2011-03-23 03:22:14 <meelu> i wanted to run it on my server as its up 24/7
281 2011-03-23 03:22:16 <nanotube> meeper: costs more in electricity than you get out in bitcoins. if you don't pay for electricity, then it's anoter story.
282 2011-03-23 03:22:20 <luke-jr> meeper: it's not needed for cash, I don't see why it should be needed for bitcoins
283 2011-03-23 03:22:45 <luke-jr> meelu: most VPS providers consider it violation of ToS note
284 2011-03-23 03:22:51 <luke-jr> and again, it's worthless
285 2011-03-23 03:22:59 <luke-jr> mining is only worthwhile if you have a decent Radeon
286 2011-03-23 03:23:01 <meelu> server man server not a vps
287 2011-03-23 03:23:21 <luke-jr> meelu: then if you don't pay the electricity bill, your server can make you some bitpennies
288 2011-03-23 03:23:24 <meeper> luke-jr: hmm, that's a good point, I guess I was thinking that btc's frictionless nature might be a real value-add
289 2011-03-23 03:23:41 <meelu> btw i was actually imagining how to profit from generating power at home today and i saw an article on reddit about bitcoin lol
290 2011-03-23 03:24:09 <meeper> luke-jr: I'm in the market to hire a bunch of web monkeys and I kinda like the idea of paying them in btc and not worrying too much about a bunch of other stuff
291 2011-03-23 03:24:21 <meelu> come up with a way to generate a few 100watts of  power for free
292 2011-03-23 03:24:29 <meelu> 2: profit
293 2011-03-23 03:24:40 <luke-jr> meelu: or just buy a good Radeon
294 2011-03-23 03:24:44 <da2ce7> meelu, well maybe I can pay them better than you...
295 2011-03-23 03:25:05 <meelu> i need to look into that radeon
296 2011-03-23 03:25:24 <luke-jr> da2ce7: http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/
297 2011-03-23 03:25:31 <nanotube> meelu: a 5970 gives you 600mhps, at a power consumption of 300W or so.
298 2011-03-23 03:25:32 <meelu> i havent even cared about graphics cards before
299 2011-03-23 03:25:46 <nanotube> meelu: compare a cpu, the best of which may give you 10-15mhps, at a cost of 100W or so.
300 2011-03-23 03:25:51 <meelu> but it seems we will have alot of fun
301 2011-03-23 03:26:20 <meelu> seems efficient
302 2011-03-23 03:26:32 <meelu> any other graphics cards
303 2011-03-23 03:26:38 <meelu> can i recycle old ones
304 2011-03-23 03:26:43 <luke-jr> nanotube: lol, maybe a super-high-end CPU would give you that much
305 2011-03-23 03:26:57 <luke-jr> meelu: old ones can do better than a CPU, but not profitable
306 2011-03-23 03:26:58 <da2ce7> *mines
307 2011-03-23 03:27:09 <meeper> da2ce7: with what?
308 2011-03-23 03:27:17 <luke-jr> meelu: assuming you don't mean AGP
309 2011-03-23 03:27:19 <da2ce7> my computer
310 2011-03-23 03:27:21 <nanotube> luke-jr: yea, like a recent quad-core (or was it octo-core?)
311 2011-03-23 03:27:25 <meelu> well profit if i have old unused cpu's from people and shit generating electricity in my garden lol
312 2011-03-23 03:27:35 <luke-jr> nanotube: I have a Sandy Bridge quad-core, and it can only do like 5 MH/s
313 2011-03-23 03:27:48 <nanotube> meelu: question: how much does it cost to set up the rigs to generate your own electricity?
314 2011-03-23 03:27:50 <luke-jr> nanotube: probably due to not having an optimized miner yet :/
315 2011-03-23 03:28:05 <meelu> dunno i haven't gotten to the stage where i generate the electricity
316 2011-03-23 03:28:12 <nanotube> ah, maybe. bet you can get quite a bit higher with the latest cpuminer
317 2011-03-23 03:28:26 <luke-jr> does it support AVX yet?
318 2011-03-23 03:28:32 <meelu> just picturing a system
319 2011-03-23 03:28:45 <nanotube> meelu: well, just saying that however much it'd cost... compare it to the cost/benefit of acquiring some recent radeons and mining with grid power. :)
320 2011-03-23 03:29:15 <nanotube> i dunno what the cpuminer supports really, i don't cpumine anymore :)
321 2011-03-23 03:29:33 <meelu> lets say this one "Asus 1gb Radeon Hd 5670 Pci-E 2.0 Graphics Card" i saw on ebay
322 2011-03-23 03:29:37 <meelu> how much could it generate?
323 2011-03-23 03:29:51 <luke-jr> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
324 2011-03-23 03:30:01 <luke-jr> ;;bc,gen 71000
325 2011-03-23 03:30:03 <da2ce7> shouldn't we remove the 'generate' option fromt the bitcoin GUI?
326 2011-03-23 03:30:03 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 71000 Khps, given current difficulty of 76193.9710474 , is 0.937263329896 BTC per day and 0.0390526387457 BTC per hour.
327 2011-03-23 03:30:19 <luke-jr> da2ce7: from bitcoind too
328 2011-03-23 03:30:51 <da2ce7> luke-jr, I agree. bitcoind is no place for a miner.
329 2011-03-23 03:30:54 <meelu> so that should pay off the card in 2 months
330 2011-03-23 03:31:05 <luke-jr> meelu: no, in 2 weeks it will become less
331 2011-03-23 03:31:08 <luke-jr> then 2 weeks later
332 2011-03-23 03:31:10 <luke-jr> and so on
333 2011-03-23 03:31:13 <da2ce7> ;;bc,mtgox
334 2011-03-23 03:31:13 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.82,"low":0.7447,"vol":11999,"buy":0.7831,"sell":0.819,"last":0.819}}
335 2011-03-23 03:31:23 <gasteve> rally!
336 2011-03-23 03:31:27 <da2ce7> :)
337 2011-03-23 03:31:29 <da2ce7> yepo!
338 2011-03-23 03:31:37 <luke-jr> nanotube: nope, just 4.1 MH/s wiht latest cpuminer
339 2011-03-23 03:31:38 <Blitzboom> http://www.weusecoins.com/
340 2011-03-23 03:31:49 <Blitzboom> this will support it, hopefully
341 2011-03-23 03:31:51 <da2ce7> people are buying again... looks like new funds have been added to mtgox
342 2011-03-23 03:31:56 <luke-jr> Blitzboom: yeah
343 2011-03-23 03:31:56 <meelu> does it become less for each user?
344 2011-03-23 03:32:05 <theymos> I agree about removing "generate coins". I don't want people to start mining unprofitably, since this would force more efficient miners out of the market.
345 2011-03-23 03:32:08 <meelu> or less for the whole network
346 2011-03-23 03:32:09 <nanotube> luke-jr: maybe try different algos?
347 2011-03-23 03:32:11 <luke-jr> meelu: there's a total of 50 BTC every 10 minutes on average
348 2011-03-23 03:32:16 <luke-jr> meelu: split among all miners
349 2011-03-23 03:32:27 <meelu> so the more miners the less
350 2011-03-23 03:32:27 <nanotube> luke-jr: also tweak the numthreads
351 2011-03-23 03:32:38 <meelu> or does that 50 figure increase
352 2011-03-23 03:33:14 <meelu> il carry on reading the wiki if im asking a little too much lol
353 2011-03-23 03:33:24 <luke-jr> meelu: that 50 figure drops to 25 in a few months
354 2011-03-23 03:33:46 <theymos> A few months?
355 2011-03-23 03:33:59 <luke-jr> theymos: yeah, isn't it early 2012?
356 2011-03-23 03:34:04 <da2ce7> theymos, atlest have a popup that says 'the dificuty is over 10000, it is unproffitable to mine with this bitcoin client, please check "website url" for details'
357 2011-03-23 03:34:07 <meelu> btw whats going to happen to the currency when quantum processors come out
358 2011-03-23 03:34:42 <meelu> ?
359 2011-03-23 03:34:55 <theymos> luke-jr: I guess it is less than a year.
360 2011-03-23 03:34:57 <da2ce7> neelu,  not much
361 2011-03-23 03:35:00 <meelu> they will use electricity too i guess
362 2011-03-23 03:35:22 <meelu> but there will be unlimited
363 2011-03-23 03:35:28 <da2ce7> we just move to sha512 or sha4096
364 2011-03-23 03:35:38 <meelu> i dunno how many coins can i generate with a quantum processor?
365 2011-03-23 03:36:06 <da2ce7> meelu, very fast, if you had one..
366 2011-03-23 03:36:17 <luke-jr> meelu: at most 50 per 10 mins
367 2011-03-23 03:36:41 <meelu> hmm what if 2 people with quantum processors generated?#
368 2011-03-23 03:36:42 <da2ce7> luke-jr, in the long run.
369 2011-03-23 03:36:48 <luke-jr> meelu: then half, at most
370 2011-03-23 03:37:17 <da2ce7> if you had an extremely big computer you could protentaly steal other people coins.
371 2011-03-23 03:37:27 <luke-jr> da2ce7: the whole system would break down first
372 2011-03-23 03:37:30 <da2ce7> but that is much harder to do.
373 2011-03-23 03:38:28 <da2ce7> but anyway, this is scince fiction.
374 2011-03-23 03:38:45 <meelu> i can picture people behind botnets using this for profit, running a program on everyones computer to generate and sending himself bitcoiins
375 2011-03-23 03:39:05 <meelu> i feel a sudden urge to do it now
376 2011-03-23 03:39:06 <da2ce7> yeap.
377 2011-03-23 03:39:21 <gasteve> meelu: I think it's already been done (at least that's the speculation)
378 2011-03-23 03:39:25 <da2ce7> but they will need to have MANY computers, as botnets don't normaly use gpu's
379 2011-03-23 03:39:45 <meelu> are there any javascript implementations of bitcoins being generated
380 2011-03-23 03:39:54 <luke-jr> nanotube: nope, 4.1 MH/s is the best it yields
381 2011-03-23 03:40:00 <da2ce7> meelu, from memory, it is very slow.
382 2011-03-23 03:40:00 <meelu> i mean is it possible to run with javascript
383 2011-03-23 03:40:20 <da2ce7> meelu, it is better to use the browser built-in cypto functions.
384 2011-03-23 03:40:21 <da2ce7> I guss.
385 2011-03-23 03:40:32 <luke-jr> da2ce7: how about WebGL?
386 2011-03-23 03:40:58 <da2ce7> luke-jr, I beleve that there is WebCL also
387 2011-03-23 03:41:04 <meelu> stuck at 92937 blocks...
388 2011-03-23 03:41:22 <da2ce7> it is in planning.
389 2011-03-23 03:42:00 <luke-jr> meelu: I dont suppose you're using OSX?
390 2011-03-23 03:42:01 <meelu> "Optional transaction fee per kb..." this part is confusing in the program and i think should be explained more
391 2011-03-23 03:42:04 <sgornick> Can you digg it?  er... give it a vote? http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/g99it/what_is_bitcoin_professional_animated_video/
392 2011-03-23 03:42:18 <luke-jr> meelu: you can choose not to include a tx fee, but your tx might never get confirmed
393 2011-03-23 03:42:19 <meelu> nope windows and linux
394 2011-03-23 03:42:45 <meelu> how is that?
395 2011-03-23 03:42:53 <luke-jr> &
396 2011-03-23 03:43:06 <meelu> and the fees, where do they go does some lucky guy get it?
397 2011-03-23 03:43:08 <luke-jr> meelu: why should I confirm your transaction, if you're not paying me?
398 2011-03-23 03:43:08 <sgornick> [Tycho]: > theymos, are you the author of bitcoinmonitor ?
399 2011-03-23 03:43:09 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bitcoin:Community_portal | Mar 4, 2011 ... Bitcoin Charts displays an overview of Bitcoin exchange markets. The Bitcoin Monitor visualizes transactions, new blocks and trades on ...
400 2011-03-23 03:43:17 <luke-jr> meelu: the miner who confirms the tx gets it
401 2011-03-23 03:43:27 <sgornick> er. .. wrong link gribble
402 2011-03-23 03:43:36 <meeper> luke-jr: you mean the first miner to confirm the tx?
403 2011-03-23 03:43:45 <luke-jr> meeper: yes, the only one
404 2011-03-23 03:43:57 <meelu> ah so its not just the 50 per 10 minutes flying about?
405 2011-03-23 03:44:03 <sgornick> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bitcoin_Monitor  http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3218.0   a person on the forum "jav".
406 2011-03-23 03:44:22 <meeper> that video is very nifty
407 2011-03-23 03:44:26 <kiba> ROFL
408 2011-03-23 03:44:26 <luke-jr> meelu: that 50 drops to 25 next year, then to 12.5 two years later, and so on
409 2011-03-23 03:44:32 <luke-jr> meelu: it will eventually go away completely
410 2011-03-23 03:44:38 <luke-jr> at which time miners will be paid entirely be fees
411 2011-03-23 03:44:44 <kiba> http://www.dailypaul.com/160149/bitcoins-the-digital-cryptocurrency-of-freedom
412 2011-03-23 03:44:46 <[Tycho]> I wonder why this page keeps crashing in Chrome after some tens of minutes
413 2011-03-23 03:44:47 <meeper> though one day people are going to have to stop explaining what bitcoins are and start explaining what they're good for hehe
414 2011-03-23 03:44:48 <kiba> some guy named troy
415 2011-03-23 03:44:52 <meelu> ah good
416 2011-03-23 03:44:56 <meelu> njow i get it
417 2011-03-23 03:44:57 <meelu> was confusing
418 2011-03-23 03:45:03 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: crashes Konqueror too
419 2011-03-23 03:45:04 <kiba> claimed that Steve Gibson of grc.com wrote bitcoin
420 2011-03-23 03:45:06 <da2ce7> luke-jr, prob we will move to absolute accuracy numbers for coins by then
421 2011-03-23 03:45:13 <meelu> so the more popular this gets, there are still potentials of earning
422 2011-03-23 03:45:16 <da2ce7> so you can send 1/3 BTC
423 2011-03-23 03:45:16 <kiba> and since he wrote bitcoin, it must be bad
424 2011-03-23 03:45:23 <luke-jr> da2ce7: that's impossible with bitcoin
425 2011-03-23 03:45:33 <luke-jr> da2ce7: you would need to use ZBC for that
426 2011-03-23 03:45:49 <kiba> that's nut
427 2011-03-23 03:46:09 <meeper> kiba: is there a list of common bitcoin use cases?
428 2011-03-23 03:46:27 <luke-jr> meeper: there aren't many :P
429 2011-03-23 03:46:36 <da2ce7> luke-jr we will move to a system where bitcoin as expressed as a 128BIT number where you have a 64BIT domonator and neumerator.
430 2011-03-23 03:46:56 <luke-jr> da2ce7: that would be a new version, incompatible with the current one
431 2011-03-23 03:47:13 <meeper> luke-jr: besides charities, buying drugs, hiring free lancers, and bounties (to further along bitcoin devel) ... I'd be very curious to hear other 'success' stories or use cases
432 2011-03-23 03:47:23 <Diablo-D3> why the fuck are you captializing bit
433 2011-03-23 03:47:24 <da2ce7> hmm, prob phased in over a long time... where you would store the money in two forms.
434 2011-03-23 03:47:34 <nanotube> meeper: webhosting is a big one.
435 2011-03-23 03:47:37 <da2ce7> :/
436 2011-03-23 03:47:46 <nanotube> meeper: check out the trade page for a listing
437 2011-03-23 03:47:52 <meelu> VCQ6000-PB - PNY NVIDIA Quadro 6000 - graphics adapter
438 2011-03-23 03:47:54 <meeper> nanotube: is it? that's cool. a lot of hosting providers take it
439 2011-03-23 03:48:03 <meelu> is that useable?
440 2011-03-23 03:48:08 <da2ce7> neelu, sexyfur takes btc.
441 2011-03-23 03:48:16 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Trade | [edit] Search Engines Optimization. Trade-Web.com, Buy/Sell contextual links for SEO purposes. .... This page was last modified on 21 March 2011, at 18:12. ...
442 2011-03-23 03:48:16 <nanotube> ;;bc,wiki trade page
443 2011-03-23 03:48:23 <nanotube> meelu: ^ that page i mentioned. :)
444 2011-03-23 03:48:29 <da2ce7> i con't particualy like it, but you might.
445 2011-03-23 03:48:37 <da2ce7> *don't
446 2011-03-23 03:48:53 <luke-jr> meeper: well, I have one, but everyone hates me for it
447 2011-03-23 03:49:07 <luke-jr> s/everyone/lots of people/
448 2011-03-23 03:49:29 <meelu> nanotube thanks for that link but couldn't find it in the list
449 2011-03-23 03:49:29 <meeper> luke-jr: what is it?
450 2011-03-23 03:49:31 <sgornick> luke-jr, theymos: > luke-jr: meelu: that 50 drops to 25 next year, then to 12.5 two years later, and so on
451 2011-03-23 03:49:36 <sgornick> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2579.0
452 2011-03-23 03:49:41 <luke-jr> meeper: Tonal Bitcoin
453 2011-03-23 03:49:47 <luke-jr> sgornick: o
454 2011-03-23 03:50:02 <luke-jr> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Tonal_BitCoin
455 2011-03-23 03:50:09 <nanotube> meelu: oops sorry the trade link was supposed to be for meeper not you :)
456 2011-03-23 03:50:31 <nanotube> meelu: for your gfx card... check google to see if it supports opencl or cuda...
457 2011-03-23 03:50:39 <da2ce7> meeper and meelu...
458 2011-03-23 03:50:45 <luke-jr> nanotube: don't all PCI-E?
459 2011-03-23 03:51:04 <meeper> luke-jr: that wiki page makes no sense
460 2011-03-23 03:51:19 <luke-jr> meeper: it's a use case for more intellectual persons :
461 2011-03-23 03:51:31 <nanotube> luke-jr: i dunno. i don't have any gfx cards that support it. :)
462 2011-03-23 03:52:30 <meelu> CUDA Parallel Processing Cores
463 2011-03-23 03:52:52 <luke-jr> meelu: CUDA sucks
464 2011-03-23 03:53:39 <nanotube> meelu: so i guess it'll work then. :) try the poclbm miner and see how much hash rate you get.
465 2011-03-23 03:53:45 <nanotube> ;;bc,wiki mining hardware
466 2011-03-23 03:53:46 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison | Below are some statistics about the mining performance of various hardware used in a mining rig. The GPU lists were originally compiled by ArtForz. ...
467 2011-03-23 03:54:36 <meelu> nanotube i was just checking to see how much i can pull off with a ???3k card
468 2011-03-23 03:54:54 <nanotube> meelu: ah, well, if you're buying a card for mining, forget about nvidia and go ati.
469 2011-03-23 03:55:08 <nanotube> no nvidia card even comes close to the 600mhps from ati 5970
470 2011-03-23 03:55:30 <meelu> im fucking stupid i just realised the computer im using right now has a graphics card, better lay off the haze
471 2011-03-23 03:56:15 <luke-jr> lol
472 2011-03-23 03:56:46 <meelu> lol i have a radeon
473 2011-03-23 03:56:58 <meelu> its only hd 3450 though
474 2011-03-23 03:57:00 <meelu> is that good
475 2011-03-23 03:57:01 <meelu> leme check
476 2011-03-23 03:57:13 <nanotube> nope, 3xxx - opencl not supported
477 2011-03-23 03:57:18 <nanotube> (as per the mining hw wiki page)
478 2011-03-23 03:57:32 <meelu> fuck
479 2011-03-23 03:58:04 <meelu> i got like 1.5gb available memory left too
480 2011-03-23 03:58:15 <meelu> i dunno shit about graphics though
481 2011-03-23 03:58:25 <luke-jr> memory is 100% irrelevant
482 2011-03-23 03:58:47 <luke-jr> you need like 1 KB memory for mining
483 2011-03-23 04:01:59 <meelu> you see the difficulty factor here http://www.alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator.php
484 2011-03-23 04:02:12 <meelu> i dont need to touch it right
485 2011-03-23 04:02:50 <meelu> is khps and mhash/s the same thing?
486 2011-03-23 04:03:16 <luke-jr> &&..
487 2011-03-23 04:03:29 <Validus> think of it as internet speeds of kb/s and mb/s
488 2011-03-23 04:03:31 <Validus> :P
489 2011-03-23 04:04:08 <luke-jr> out of everyone who insists on SI, half of them can't even figure out the most obvious SI term
490 2011-03-23 04:04:11 <luke-jr> </rant>
491 2011-03-23 04:05:04 <meelu> oh times 1000
492 2011-03-23 04:05:13 <meelu> or 1024
493 2011-03-23 04:06:05 <Validus> i think its time for a nap
494 2011-03-23 04:06:06 <meelu> nevermind
495 2011-03-23 04:06:12 <meelu> for me it is
496 2011-03-23 04:50:55 <sgornick> Here we go again ... #3 on Hacker News: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2358118
497 2011-03-23 04:56:52 <doublec> "What is the point if only 21 million can be generated?"
498 2011-03-23 04:56:55 <doublec> such a common question
499 2011-03-23 04:57:39 <doublec> along with "how is real world value attached to bitcoins"
500 2011-03-23 04:58:06 <jgarzik> it really is a common question... hopefully it's in the FAQ?  :)
501 2011-03-23 05:00:56 <phantomcircuit> possibly the default should be moved a couple decimal places
502 2011-03-23 05:04:09 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: just use mBTC or TBC
503 2011-03-23 05:04:24 <phantomcircuit> yes but people are confused by the 21 million BTC limit
504 2011-03-23 05:04:38 <luke-jr> well that was just Satoshi's bad
505 2011-03-23 05:05:25 <luke-jr> he should have used 63 bits and made it 9.2 billion
506 2011-03-23 05:05:30 <luke-jr> divisible to nano-BTC
507 2011-03-23 05:06:31 <Blitzboom> doesnt really matter &
508 2011-03-23 05:06:41 <Diablo-D3> ubtc
509 2011-03-23 05:06:44 <Diablo-D3> its uBTC
510 2011-03-23 05:06:59 <Blitzboom> ???BTC
511 2011-03-23 05:07:13 <Diablo-D3> well yeah
512 2011-03-23 05:08:02 <phantomcircuit> or make the default client display all the available decimal places
513 2011-03-23 05:11:14 <Blitzboom> http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/03/23/0210207/Google-Engineer-Releases-Open-Source-Bitcoin-Client?from=twitter
514 2011-03-23 05:12:34 <phantomcircuit> ha baller
515 2011-03-23 05:12:56 <phantomcircuit> also im totally going to jack his thunder
516 2011-03-23 05:17:37 <kiba> wee!
517 2011-03-23 05:17:39 <kiba> bitcoin is a serial
518 2011-03-23 05:17:48 <kiba> traffic getter
519 2011-03-23 05:17:49 <lfm> seems to me the default client has always displayed all the available decimal places.
520 2011-03-23 05:17:58 <kiba> I think bitcoin apperas on slashdot like 3 times now
521 2011-03-23 05:18:48 <Blitzboom> kiba: 4 times
522 2011-03-23 05:18:54 <Ruudjah> How can I make my client connect? It says its not connected, but Im connected to the internet
523 2011-03-23 05:20:44 <lfm> Ruudjah: just wait a while it should do
524 2011-03-23 05:21:37 <Ruudjah> How come the program does not let me know I should wait?
525 2011-03-23 05:23:31 <lfm> dunno, i guess they never thot of that
526 2011-03-23 05:24:07 <kiba> the people who code the client are not exactly usability experts
527 2011-03-23 05:24:09 <kiba> they're programmers
528 2011-03-23 05:24:14 <kiba> for god's sake
529 2011-03-23 05:24:14 <Ruudjah> ok. It's very frustrating though
530 2011-03-23 05:24:27 <kiba> but it would be helpful that somebody design a better interface
531 2011-03-23 05:24:38 <Ruudjah> what lang is it written in?
532 2011-03-23 05:24:45 <lfm> i think that has been mentioned
533 2011-03-23 05:25:09 <kiba> C++
534 2011-03-23 05:26:17 <Ruudjah> ah, ok, I don't know any C++ ui toolkit... If there's a java/C# implementation for bitcoin I'm happy to write a UI for it
535 2011-03-23 05:26:49 <lfm> there is a java toolkit from google now
536 2011-03-23 05:27:25 <phantomcircuit> lfm, afaict it's only a network implementation
537 2011-03-23 05:27:25 <Ruudjah> for bitcoin?
538 2011-03-23 05:27:51 <Ruudjah> http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin-client/
539 2011-03-23 05:28:01 <lfm> it has wallet handling routines as well if I remember
540 2011-03-23 05:31:09 <Ruudjah> hm, looks interesting
541 2011-03-23 05:32:01 <phantomcircuit> import com.google.bitcoin.bouncycastle
542 2011-03-23 05:32:03 <phantomcircuit> lol
543 2011-03-23 05:32:47 <Ruudjah> seems to work with json. I may just write a GWT client for it, so there's a platform independent html/javascript client
544 2011-03-23 05:33:15 <Ruudjah> Only thing that remains then is a server install and client xcopy html files
545 2011-03-23 05:33:23 <luke-jr> otg|GWT??
546 2011-03-23 05:33:39 <Ruudjah> google web toolkit, a way to write webapps using java
547 2011-03-23 05:33:43 <luke-jr> otg|...
548 2011-03-23 05:33:53 <luke-jr> otg|so Java platform
549 2011-03-23 05:34:01 <Ruudjah> no
550 2011-03-23 05:34:03 <luke-jr> otg|hardly platform-independent
551 2011-03-23 05:34:28 <Ruudjah> "a way to write webapps using java" --> GWT compiles to javascript, not bytecode.
552 2011-03-23 05:34:42 <luke-jr> otg|...
553 2011-03-23 05:35:07 <Ruudjah> the code is tied to the java platform, the client is not
554 2011-03-23 05:35:16 <luke-jr> otg|also jsonrpc is not suitable for clients
555 2011-03-23 05:35:48 <luke-jr> otg|webapps are ng
556 2011-03-23 05:35:52 <Ruudjah> ng?
557 2011-03-23 05:35:58 <luke-jr> otg|not good
558 2011-03-23 05:36:02 <Ruudjah> lol
559 2011-03-23 05:36:10 <Ruudjah> why is that?
560 2011-03-23 05:36:23 <luke-jr> otg|its super-anti-free
561 2011-03-23 05:36:31 <Ruudjah> the only platform independant platform is no good?
562 2011-03-23 05:36:44 <Ruudjah> anti-free?
563 2011-03-23 05:36:49 <luke-jr> otg|Qt is platform-independent
564 2011-03-23 05:37:09 <luke-jr> otg|yeah
565 2011-03-23 05:37:18 <Ruudjah> why is that exactly?
566 2011-03-23 05:37:31 <luke-jr> otg|free = you get code (oversimplified )
567 2011-03-23 05:37:39 <phantomcircuit> LOG("PUSHDATA4: Unimplemented");
568 2011-03-23 05:37:43 <phantomcircuit> i never got that
569 2011-03-23 05:37:46 <luke-jr> otg|proprietary = you get a binary
570 2011-03-23 05:37:53 <phantomcircuit> why would you ever have > 64kb of stack
571 2011-03-23 05:37:56 <luke-jr> otg|webapp = you get nothing
572 2011-03-23 05:38:18 <Ruudjah> what an utter nonsense.
573 2011-03-23 05:38:23 <luke-jr> otg|no u
574 2011-03-23 05:38:33 <phantomcircuit> well depends
575 2011-03-23 05:38:42 <phantomcircuit> phpbb you get the source
576 2011-03-23 05:38:46 <Ruudjah> Im authoring a webapp with gplv3 code
577 2011-03-23 05:38:51 <Ruudjah> code=free
578 2011-03-23 05:39:07 <Diablo-D3> xhttp://news.slashdot.org/story/11/03/23/0210207/Google-Engineer-Releases-Open-Source-Bitcoin-Client?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29
579 2011-03-23 05:39:09 <Diablo-D3> jesus christ.
580 2011-03-23 05:39:24 <luke-jr> otg|Ruudjah, anyone can close a GPL webapp
581 2011-03-23 05:39:38 <luke-jr> otg|Ruudjah, better use AGPL
582 2011-03-23 05:39:43 <Ruudjah> then, when someone accesses the webapp, it gets code anyways since it needs javascript
583 2011-03-23 05:39:53 <phantomcircuit> http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/03/23/0210207/Google-Engineer-Releases-Open-Source-Bitcoin-Client?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29
584 2011-03-23 05:40:24 <Diablo-D3> AHAHHA
585 2011-03-23 05:40:33 <Diablo-D3> prominent comment on the story
586 2011-03-23 05:40:36 <Diablo-D3> "already covered on reddit"
587 2011-03-23 05:40:37 <Diablo-D3> pwned
588 2011-03-23 05:40:43 <Diablo-D3> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/g7zlw/google_engineer_releases_open_source_bitcoin/
589 2011-03-23 05:40:52 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, that'll get buried
590 2011-03-23 05:40:59 <phantomcircuit> -1 Troll
591 2011-03-23 05:41:08 <Diablo-D3> its already at 2
592 2011-03-23 05:41:20 <phantomcircuit> registered users start at 2
593 2011-03-23 05:41:29 <phantomcircuit> well registered users in good standing
594 2011-03-23 05:41:32 <Diablo-D3> no they dont
595 2011-03-23 05:41:35 <phantomcircuit> yes they do
596 2011-03-23 05:41:38 <Diablo-D3> depends entirely on YOUR settings
597 2011-03-23 05:42:00 <Diablo-D3> you can change all the score bonuses
598 2011-03-23 05:42:00 <Ruudjah> Ruudjah, anyone can close a GPL webapp --> explain ?
599 2011-03-23 05:42:02 <phantomcircuit> uhm ok
600 2011-03-23 05:42:11 <Diablo-D3> Ruudjah: gpl vs agpl
601 2011-03-23 05:42:11 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, the default is to start at 2
602 2011-03-23 05:42:31 <Diablo-D3> which reminds me
603 2011-03-23 05:42:33 <phantomcircuit> and there aren't any other mods
604 2011-03-23 05:42:37 <Diablo-D3> Im going to release my pool software under agpl
605 2011-03-23 05:42:40 <Diablo-D3> just to be an awesome dick
606 2011-03-23 05:42:57 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, GPLv3 webapps cannot be closed
607 2011-03-23 05:43:30 <Diablo-D3> see above
608 2011-03-23 05:43:37 <Diablo-D3> if you dont distribute it, gpl doesnt actually apply to you
609 2011-03-23 05:43:47 <Diablo-D3> so you CAN make a shitload of private mods and let people connect to your shit
610 2011-03-23 05:43:51 <Diablo-D3> thats why the agpl exists
611 2011-03-23 05:44:09 <Ruudjah> afaik gplv3 explicitly forbids tivoization
612 2011-03-23 05:44:19 <Ruudjah> which iirc is similar
613 2011-03-23 05:44:20 <Diablo-D3> tivoiization is patent bullshit
614 2011-03-23 05:44:32 <Diablo-D3> its where you sue over people using your shit using patents not licenses
615 2011-03-23 05:44:32 <Ruudjah> closing the platform
616 2011-03-23 05:44:33 <luke-jr> otg|Ruudjah, totally different problem
617 2011-03-23 05:44:39 <Diablo-D3> thats a different problem
618 2011-03-23 05:45:02 <Ruudjah> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tivoization
619 2011-03-23 05:45:16 <Diablo-D3> gpl's major feature is strong patent language
620 2011-03-23 05:45:28 <luke-jr> otg|it also has nothing to do w patents
621 2011-03-23 05:45:58 <luke-jr> otg|tivoization is preventing the user from installing derived works
622 2011-03-23 05:45:59 <Diablo-D3> yeah it does
623 2011-03-23 05:46:06 <Diablo-D3> patents are a large part of it
624 2011-03-23 05:46:16 <Diablo-D3> anti-tivoization in gpl3 is two fold
625 2011-03-23 05:46:20 <Ruudjah> but if someone distributes the webapp by serving the html/js files, its distribution
626 2011-03-23 05:46:21 <Diablo-D3> only part of which is fucking hardware
627 2011-03-23 05:46:23 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, tivoization is more about hardware keys
628 2011-03-23 05:46:27 <Diablo-D3> Ruudjah: nope.
629 2011-03-23 05:46:35 <Ruudjah> why would agpl be advantageous over gpl?
630 2011-03-23 05:46:38 <Diablo-D3> Ruudjah: see agpl before you say anything else
631 2011-03-23 05:46:43 <Ruudjah> i did
632 2011-03-23 05:46:48 <luke-jr> otg|Diablo-D3, only that part is tivoization
633 2011-03-23 05:47:00 <Diablo-D3> agpl is the same thing as gpl, but it ALSO covers anything that can be connected to by the network
634 2011-03-23 05:47:36 <Ruudjah> "whereby using but not distributing the software, the copyleft provisions are not triggered."
635 2011-03-23 05:48:17 <Ruudjah> if you have a webserver with the gplv3 compiled js files, it's the app, which you are distributing
636 2011-03-23 05:49:53 <Ruudjah> anyways, I'd like to hear your argument about webapps being bad, luke-jr.
637 2011-03-23 05:50:41 <Diablo-D3> thats the js files only
638 2011-03-23 05:50:47 <Diablo-D3> and by virtue of sending them they're diistributed
639 2011-03-23 05:50:54 <Diablo-D3> doesnt appply here
640 2011-03-23 05:53:49 <genjix> http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/03/23/0210207/Google-Engineer-Releases-Open-Source-Bitcoin-Client
641 2011-03-23 05:53:52 <genjix> shitt!
642 2011-03-23 05:55:00 <lfm> whats wrong with that?
643 2011-03-23 05:55:10 <genjix> shit in a good way :)
644 2011-03-23 05:55:46 <Blitzboom> im buying BTC btw
645 2011-03-23 05:56:00 <lfm> wtg!
646 2011-03-23 05:56:10 <Blitzboom> wtg?
647 2011-03-23 05:56:20 <meek> hey
648 2011-03-23 05:56:25 <meek> anyone here?
649 2011-03-23 05:56:51 <lfm> wtg == way to go
650 2011-03-23 05:57:08 <lfm> meek well im not sure if we are just anyone
651 2011-03-23 05:57:08 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, ps you'll notice that reddit post was -1'd
652 2011-03-23 05:57:14 <genjix> lucky i got given 500 for some work just 2 days ago :D
653 2011-03-23 05:59:52 <meek> haha ok
654 2011-03-23 05:59:54 <meek> cool
655 2011-03-23 06:00:06 <meek> ive heard some things about bitcoin but dont really understand it
656 2011-03-23 06:00:10 <meek> can
657 2011-03-23 06:00:12 <meek> its it actual money?
658 2011-03-23 06:00:22 <meek> and you can send large sums of money this way?
659 2011-03-23 06:00:32 <lfm> meek it is almost as much money as anything can be
660 2011-03-23 06:00:50 <meek> yea thats waht i dont understand
661 2011-03-23 06:00:56 <meek> new form of currency
662 2011-03-23 06:00:58 <meek> ?
663 2011-03-23 06:01:07 <lfm> meek well it may be illegal where you are. I am not a lawyer
664 2011-03-23 06:01:27 <phantomcircuit> meek, coins are minted by calculating sha256 sums rapidly
665 2011-03-23 06:01:52 <phantomcircuit> meek, i can give a much more detailed explanation if you'd like
666 2011-03-23 06:02:02 <lfm> money laundering and funding terrorism is illegal in some places so you want to be carefull about that
667 2011-03-23 06:02:49 <meek> ?
668 2011-03-23 06:02:52 <lfm> meek but bitcoin does make it very easy to move money around the internet, thats true
669 2011-03-23 06:03:15 <ex-parrot> what is everyone using these days for mining? has the bitcoin world moved on to GPUs exclusively? :P
670 2011-03-23 06:03:31 <lfm> ex-parrot: pretty much yes
671 2011-03-23 06:03:40 <genjix> phantomcircuit: does your python implementation work?
672 2011-03-23 06:03:53 <genjix> possibly interested to use it for my client.
673 2011-03-23 06:04:03 <phantomcircuit> genjix, it'll download the block chain and calculate the height for each block
674 2011-03-23 06:04:15 <phantomcircuit> so far there isn't any support for verifying transactions
675 2011-03-23 06:04:17 <genjix> ok
676 2011-03-23 06:04:26 <ex-parrot> lfm: that's cool. guess I'll just buy some bitcoins then. any recommendations? the one paypal based system I tried refuses my addresses
677 2011-03-23 06:04:36 <phantomcircuit> although looking at the bitcoinj script implementation im not quite as annoyed by it
678 2011-03-23 06:05:23 <lfm> ex-parrot: I think the most common place is mtgox.com but Im not sure exactly how you want to do it
679 2011-03-23 06:05:31 <genjix> very cool stuff
680 2011-03-23 06:05:35 <ex-parrot> that's cool, I'll look around lfm. cheers
681 2011-03-23 06:05:46 <lfm> have fun
682 2011-03-23 06:12:10 <Diablo-D3> Ruudjah: anyhow, the agpl is not for js files and shit
683 2011-03-23 06:12:15 <Diablo-D3> its for stuff that you connect to
684 2011-03-23 06:12:38 <Diablo-D3> you could agpl servers or servlets (or whatever your language/framework provides) etc etc
685 2011-03-23 06:12:52 <Diablo-D3> if someone that isnt part of your organization connects to it, then you have to provide the source on request
686 2011-03-23 06:12:53 <genjix> Diablo-D3: how comes gpl3 and agpl are seperate licenses?
687 2011-03-23 06:13:07 <Diablo-D3> genjix: the a part of agpl comes from a different license
688 2011-03-23 06:13:13 <Diablo-D3> the affero guys cooked it up form a modified gpl
689 2011-03-23 06:13:25 <Diablo-D3> so GNU decided to, after gpl3 was finalized, make a version that includes the text
690 2011-03-23 06:13:32 <genjix> yeah why they didn't just modify gpl3?
691 2011-03-23 06:13:51 <Diablo-D3> gpl4 might end up merging these
692 2011-03-23 06:14:08 <genjix> righto
693 2011-03-23 06:14:16 <Diablo-D3> or they may not
694 2011-03-23 06:14:23 <Diablo-D3> its sorta like how you still have gpl and lgpl
695 2011-03-23 06:14:34 <Diablo-D3> some people legitimately want lgpl behavior
696 2011-03-23 06:15:00 <Diablo-D3> so, lgpl is gpl for libraries, agpl is gpl for networked apps
697 2011-03-23 06:17:38 <Ruudjah> that sucks
698 2011-03-23 06:17:52 <genjix> anyone know how to find the input addresses from CWalletTx?
699 2011-03-23 06:18:05 <Ruudjah> what if my app is all? a lib, networked (server), and standalone userclient?
700 2011-03-23 06:18:17 <genjix> CWalletTx.vin has a list of CTxIn
701 2011-03-23 06:18:29 <Ruudjah> I guess i can multilicense
702 2011-03-23 06:18:49 <genjix> but:  CWalletTx.vin[0].scriptSig.GetBitcoinAddress()  returns a blank.
703 2011-03-23 06:19:27 <Diablo-D3> Ruudjah: how the fuck is that even useful
704 2011-03-23 06:19:32 <Diablo-D3> quit hating linux package maintainers
705 2011-03-23 06:19:37 <Diablo-D3> release multiple tarballs
706 2011-03-23 06:19:51 <Diablo-D3> and nothing stops you from mixing licenses in subprojects anyhow
707 2011-03-23 06:20:00 <Ruudjah> whats a tarball?
708 2011-03-23 06:20:10 <Diablo-D3> if you have to ask this, quit talking about licenses, they're not for you.
709 2011-03-23 06:20:22 <genjix> can i multi-license different parts of a source file? :D
710 2011-03-23 06:20:30 <genjix> just to troll people
711 2011-03-23 06:20:35 <Ruudjah> :P
712 2011-03-23 06:20:46 <Diablo-D3> genjix: yes, but thats considered fugly
713 2011-03-23 06:20:46 <Ruudjah> if you have to ask this, quit talking about licenses, they're not for you. --> excuse me?
714 2011-03-23 06:20:55 <genjix> license different parts of a project under 12 different licenses.
715 2011-03-23 06:21:12 <Diablo-D3> Ruudjah: you're not a programmer
716 2011-03-23 06:21:18 <Ruudjah> lol
717 2011-03-23 06:21:24 <Diablo-D3> you have zero reason authority on which to be discussing this
718 2011-03-23 06:21:42 <Ruudjah> now I am actually laughing out loud.
719 2011-03-23 06:21:52 <Ruudjah> I don't know what a tarball is and i am not a programmer?
720 2011-03-23 06:22:11 <genjix> why is that funny? i would want to know
721 2011-03-23 06:22:40 <Ruudjah> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar_(file_format)
722 2011-03-23 06:22:50 <Ruudjah> apparently its a compression file format
723 2011-03-23 06:23:00 <AAA_awright> It doesn't compress anything
724 2011-03-23 06:23:01 <genjix> phantomcircuit: F5 F5 F5 F5 F5
725 2011-03-23 06:23:08 <genjix> tar contains
726 2011-03-23 06:23:15 <Ruudjah> Should I feed the troll and ask why programmers must know compression file formats to be programmer?
727 2011-03-23 06:23:17 <genjix> gzip compresses
728 2011-03-23 06:23:21 <phantomcircuit> genjix, ?
729 2011-03-23 06:23:25 <genjix> phantomcircuit: /.
730 2011-03-23 06:23:26 <AAA_awright> or bz2 or something
731 2011-03-23 06:23:39 <phantomcircuit> h
732 2011-03-23 06:23:41 <phantomcircuit> lulz
733 2011-03-23 06:23:43 <phantomcircuit> i totally am
734 2011-03-23 06:23:49 <AAA_awright> Now if you really want to troll, release your project under the AGPL, BSD, and public domain
735 2011-03-23 06:23:51 <genjix> lul
736 2011-03-23 06:23:54 <phantomcircuit> http://slashdot.org/~phantomcircuit/achievements
737 2011-03-23 06:23:57 <phantomcircuit> :(
738 2011-03-23 06:24:07 <genjix> jajajaja
739 2011-03-23 06:24:29 <phantomcircuit> 2^6 days in a row?
740 2011-03-23 06:24:30 <genjix> i am like a third of you
741 2011-03-23 06:24:33 <phantomcircuit> how is that even possible
742 2011-03-23 06:24:45 <phantomcircuit> i was trapped in the snow this weekend
743 2011-03-23 06:24:53 <phantomcircuit> and yet somehow i managed to login to /.
744 2011-03-23 06:24:55 <phantomcircuit> lulz
745 2011-03-23 06:25:23 <genjix> i just wish they didn't have all that crap about facebook all the time
746 2011-03-23 06:25:34 <genjix> facebook this, facebook that, facebook zomg
747 2011-03-23 06:25:51 <Ruudjah> last three times I failed posting a coward comment on /.
748 2011-03-23 06:25:58 <Ruudjah> then i was like never mind
749 2011-03-23 06:26:24 <echoecho> Howdy folks! I just learned about BitCoin a few hours ago, and reading up on the forums there seems to be alternative clients for mining. If I have an i7 processor and a Radeon HD 6850 card, which client do you think I should be using?
750 2011-03-23 06:26:24 <genjix> yep seems to be a bug
751 2011-03-23 06:26:29 <genjix> Howdy!
752 2011-03-23 06:27:19 <echoecho> Hey :)
753 2011-03-23 06:27:36 <Ruudjah> I figured out the slider bar in v2 /. design was a filter control only days before the v3 design
754 2011-03-23 06:27:38 <echoecho> This BitCoin is some crazy stuff, TBH my mind is reeling at the idea
755 2011-03-23 06:27:47 <genjix> yep
756 2011-03-23 06:27:53 <genjix> :)
757 2011-03-23 06:28:03 <Ruudjah> echoecho: please fix the problems of btc
758 2011-03-23 06:28:18 <Ruudjah> while maintaining the enthusiasm ;)
759 2011-03-23 06:28:31 <echoecho> Ruudjah: what do you mean?
760 2011-03-23 06:28:48 <Ruudjah> can't explain as I don't understand them either
761 2011-03-23 06:28:54 <echoecho> Oh crud, I appear to have joined dev instead of mining :/
762 2011-03-23 06:29:12 <phantomcircuit> lol
763 2011-03-23 06:29:15 <echoecho> My mistake :)
764 2011-03-23 06:29:26 <phantomcircuit> echoecho, this will work
765 2011-03-23 06:29:30 <echoecho> I blame the webchat client! Yes... the webchat client
766 2011-03-23 06:29:35 <echoecho> kk lol
767 2011-03-23 06:29:45 <phantomcircuit> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Poclbm
768 2011-03-23 06:29:49 <phantomcircuit> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/DiabloMiner
769 2011-03-23 06:29:53 <phantomcircuit> take your pick
770 2011-03-23 06:30:09 <Diablo-D3> echoecho: btw, they're not clients
771 2011-03-23 06:30:16 <Diablo-D3> you still need something for the miner to connect to
772 2011-03-23 06:30:19 <Diablo-D3> most people use mine, btw
773 2011-03-23 06:30:21 <echoecho> I see....
774 2011-03-23 06:30:24 <Diablo-D3> and remember to shut cpu mining off
775 2011-03-23 06:30:27 <Diablo-D3> people keep forgetting this
776 2011-03-23 06:30:28 <echoecho> Gotcha
777 2011-03-23 06:30:29 <echoecho> lol
778 2011-03-23 06:30:32 <Diablo-D3> I wish the mainline client would remove the code
779 2011-03-23 06:30:38 <echoecho> yea I'm running the CPU mining right now
780 2011-03-23 06:30:49 <echoecho> It's not using any CPU though...
781 2011-03-23 06:31:01 <echoecho> About 3%
782 2011-03-23 06:32:09 <Diablo-D3> then you're not actually running it
783 2011-03-23 06:32:15 <Diablo-D3> it wont mine until you've downloaded the entire chain
784 2011-03-23 06:32:19 <echoecho> Ah
785 2011-03-23 06:32:44 <echoecho> Yea just started running the client < 10 minutes ago, 8 connections & about 50k blocks
786 2011-03-23 06:32:59 <echoecho> I'll probably download your DiabloMiner
787 2011-03-23 06:34:43 <Diablo-D3> you're over the 1/3rd way point on blocks
788 2011-03-23 06:34:44 <Ruudjah> In February 2011, the coverage at Slashdot and the subsequent Slashdot effect affected the value of the bitcoin and the availability of some related sites.
789 2011-03-23 06:35:15 <phantomcircuit> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2049734&cid=35583290
790 2011-03-23 06:35:20 <phantomcircuit> my favorite comment so far
791 2011-03-23 06:35:31 <Ruudjah> "yeah! bitcoin is slashdotted. Now I have 25% more US$ worth of bitcoins"
792 2011-03-23 06:35:36 <Blitzboom> phantomcircuit: hahahaha
793 2011-03-23 06:35:47 <echoecho> Yup, learned about it from Slashdot :)
794 2011-03-23 06:35:50 <genjix> haha
795 2011-03-23 06:35:57 <Blitzboom> this is so ironic
796 2011-03-23 06:36:02 <echoecho> Hahaha yea that comment is so true
797 2011-03-23 06:36:47 <Ruudjah> iirc its 1% vs 99%, or even 0,1% vs 99,9%
798 2011-03-23 06:37:50 <echoecho> Diablo-D3: is that special command starting Java still needed?
799 2011-03-23 06:37:57 <echoecho> I'm on Windows
800 2011-03-23 06:38:05 <genjix> o dear
801 2011-03-23 06:39:06 <echoecho> haha oh shut it :P
802 2011-03-23 06:41:51 <Diablo-D3> echoecho: its in the thread
803 2011-03-23 06:42:02 <echoecho> kk, yea flipping through pages ATM
804 2011-03-23 06:43:23 <echoecho> It appears the official Bitcoin client has no GUI option to turn on rpc, so you have to do it through a conf file the run the client as a deamon so your miner can connect... vexing.
805 2011-03-23 06:44:04 <Diablo-D3> no
806 2011-03-23 06:44:12 <Diablo-D3> well yes
807 2011-03-23 06:44:12 <echoecho> ?
808 2011-03-23 06:44:14 <Diablo-D3> but its not an issue
809 2011-03-23 06:44:19 <echoecho> i seeeeee
810 2011-03-23 06:44:23 <Diablo-D3> you just pass an argument and fill the file in
811 2011-03-23 06:47:54 <Aciid> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4807.0
812 2011-03-23 06:47:58 <Aciid> another one bites the dust
813 2011-03-23 06:48:45 <Diablo-D3> hrm?
814 2011-03-23 06:48:50 <Diablo-D3> cant open it, fullscreen app open
815 2011-03-23 06:48:51 <Blitzboom> how ddi he find out his nicks threat2life?
816 2011-03-23 06:50:12 <genjix> hah nice work Aciid
817 2011-03-23 06:50:20 <echoecho> Diablo-D3: so A) I create a two-line conf file in my AppData/Roaming/Bitcoin, B) launch the official client's deamon mode, C) launch your miner. Is that correct?
818 2011-03-23 06:51:06 <Aciid> Blitzboom: found his photos of him high
819 2011-03-23 06:51:15 <phantomcircuit> Aciid, yeah that pretty much screamed scam
820 2011-03-23 06:51:26 <Aciid> Blitzboom: details of nick found in the updated post
821 2011-03-23 06:51:27 <Aciid> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4807.msg70356#msg70356
822 2011-03-23 06:51:36 <Blitzboom> hahaha
823 2011-03-23 06:51:42 <Blitzboom> awesome work, arc
824 2011-03-23 06:51:44 <Blitzboom> Aciid:
825 2011-03-23 06:51:45 <genjix> Aciid: where?
826 2011-03-23 06:52:05 <Blitzboom> we should find out where he lives
827 2011-03-23 06:52:07 <Aciid> genjix: the link ^
828 2011-03-23 06:52:15 <genjix> what does that have to do with him?
829 2011-03-23 06:52:20 <genjix> that he takes drugs?
830 2011-03-23 06:52:31 <Blitzboom> http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r280/threat2life/steamsale.jpg
831 2011-03-23 06:52:32 <Aciid> "tweak" methamphetamine
832 2011-03-23 06:52:36 <Blitzboom> photobucket account apparently
833 2011-03-23 06:52:38 <Aciid> yes
834 2011-03-23 06:52:49 <phantomcircuit> those cant be tweakers
835 2011-03-23 06:52:57 <phantomcircuit> one of them still has jewelry
836 2011-03-23 06:53:01 <Blitzboom> more like threat2property
837 2011-03-23 06:53:06 <Aciid> hahah
838 2011-03-23 06:53:14 <Aciid> I need to setup a bitcoin safety website
839 2011-03-23 06:53:18 <Aciid> im getting good at this
840 2011-03-23 06:53:23 <genjix> what's the problem here?
841 2011-03-23 06:53:27 <genjix> i fail to see it.
842 2011-03-23 06:53:41 <genjix> the link is tenuous at best.
843 2011-03-23 06:54:34 <echoecho> Well at any rate his propose sale was agiainst the Steam TOS and therefore a poor trade
844 2011-03-23 06:54:40 <echoecho> *proposed
845 2011-03-23 06:54:45 <echoecho> *against ><
846 2011-03-23 06:55:00 <Aciid> yes
847 2011-03-23 06:55:10 <Aciid> marketplace guidelines need to be updated
848 2011-03-23 06:55:14 <Aciid> no against TOS trades
849 2011-03-23 06:55:19 <Aciid> we dont want bad reputation
850 2011-03-23 06:58:38 <AAA_awright> Another Bitcoin article hit Slashdot
851 2011-03-23 06:58:38 <Aciid> genjix: tenous?
852 2011-03-23 06:58:53 <Aciid> tenuous
853 2011-03-23 06:58:55 <Aciid> ah
854 2011-03-23 06:58:56 <Aciid> weak
855 2011-03-23 06:58:59 <genjix> yup
856 2011-03-23 06:59:17 <Aciid> genjix: quick post: 800 for you
857 2011-03-23 06:59:28 <Aciid> post something awesome for the 800th
858 2011-03-23 06:59:29 <Aciid> =D
859 2011-03-23 07:00:20 <genjix> :o
860 2011-03-23 07:00:26 <genjix> i better stop posting then
861 2011-03-23 07:00:31 <Aciid> I snip'd the personal image of there
862 2011-03-23 07:00:33 <genjix> self ban myself.
863 2011-03-23 07:00:37 <Aciid> so he wont go batshit crazy
864 2011-03-23 07:01:56 <echoecho> meh
865 2011-03-23 07:02:20 <echoecho> Can I run the GUI and CLI versions of the official BitCoin client at the same time?
866 2011-03-23 07:02:29 <echoecho> The GUI version is still downloading blocks.
867 2011-03-23 07:02:46 <Aciid> echoecho: the gui is the wallet part
868 2011-03-23 07:02:52 <Aciid> you should mine for coins its more efficient
869 2011-03-23 07:03:07 <echoecho> Aciid: that's what I plan to do, so your answer is "yes" ?
870 2011-03-23 07:03:34 <echoecho> I'm still learning BitCoin stuff, my goal tonight is simply to turn on a miner & go to bed :)
871 2011-03-23 07:05:09 <Ruudjah> nice, finally got that transaction after 1,5 hours
872 2011-03-23 07:05:27 <Ruudjah> paypal > btc wrt speed
873 2011-03-23 07:05:45 <phantomcircuit> lol i just realized
874 2011-03-23 07:05:53 <phantomcircuit> the timing of the /. article is unfortuante
875 2011-03-23 07:06:02 <phantomcircuit> it'll be buried by the time most people wake up
876 2011-03-23 07:06:18 <genjix> what do you mean calculate the height of each block?
877 2011-03-23 07:06:32 <genjix> you mean GetDepthInMainChain() ?
878 2011-03-23 07:06:37 <phantomcircuit> genjix, add up the difficulty of every block before it
879 2011-03-23 07:07:07 <sipa> echoecho: run the gui with -server, that way you'll have both
880 2011-03-23 07:07:19 <genjix> phantomcircuit: what good is that for?
881 2011-03-23 07:07:27 <echoecho> sipa: ah cool. And that pulls from the bitcoin.conf file?
882 2011-03-23 07:07:36 <sipa> yes
883 2011-03-23 07:07:41 <echoecho> I've already filled out the rpcuser and rpcpassword
884 2011-03-23 07:07:44 <echoecho> excellent.
885 2011-03-23 07:07:49 <sipa> echoecho: and mining is only profitable on certain gpu cards, otherwise you won't gain your electricity costs back
886 2011-03-23 07:08:17 <phantomcircuit> genjix, the block with the highest cumulative difficulty is the head of the block chain, which is how you determine the correct block in the event of a block chain split
887 2011-03-23 07:08:43 <echoecho> sipa; I've got a Radeon HD 6850, reasonably powerful card, the comparison wiki page seems to say it's one of the fastest out there as far as generation goes
888 2011-03-23 07:08:53 <echoecho> sipa: but TBH I don't know what the units on those charts mean
889 2011-03-23 07:09:04 <genjix> phantomcircuit: aha ok. I think it's a good idea you're using SQL for storing the info.
890 2011-03-23 07:09:33 <phantomcircuit> genjix, yeah only problem is that sqlite transactions are very slow
891 2011-03-23 07:09:48 <phantomcircuit> like 30/second
892 2011-03-23 07:10:08 <cosurgi> on slashdot: "don't say you're minting" that was a link to something or what? Currently it is not a href.
893 2011-03-23 07:10:19 <genjix> phantomcircuit: maybe MySQL?
894 2011-03-23 07:10:23 <genjix> phantomcircuit: http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/6546/screenshot1js.png
895 2011-03-23 07:10:50 <genjix> (made in python)
896 2011-03-23 07:11:13 <cosurgi> hmm, maybe bitcoinJ will work on Pandora? There's already a working Java package .pnd
897 2011-03-23 07:11:15 <phantomcircuit> cosurgi, lol it's a <a>
898 2011-03-23 07:11:26 <genjix> sooo... if there's a library for python
899 2011-03-23 07:11:30 <phantomcircuit> genjix, just a gui to the bitcoind
900 2011-03-23 07:11:31 <Diablo-D3> Ill have to take bitcoinj apart though
901 2011-03-23 07:11:43 <Diablo-D3> I dont think its coded entirely right
902 2011-03-23 07:11:46 <cosurgi> phantomcircuit:  Just <a>don't say you're minting</a> anything.</div>
903 2011-03-23 07:11:53 <cosurgi> phantomcircuit: but without href=""
904 2011-03-23 07:11:56 <genjix> it's easy to create a wallet handling system
905 2011-03-23 07:11:58 <phantomcircuit> cosurgi, yeah it's weird
906 2011-03-23 07:12:06 <sipa> echoecho: 6850 is good
907 2011-03-23 07:12:13 <genjix> and then you attach the gui
908 2011-03-23 07:12:18 <genjix> = bitcoin in python
909 2011-03-23 07:12:36 <phantomcircuit> yeah i guess
910 2011-03-23 07:13:07 <phantomcircuit> rofl
911 2011-03-23 07:13:12 <phantomcircuit> HIT IT AND QUIT IT
912 2011-03-23 07:14:34 <echoecho> lol, the miner just spews html to cmd-line if it can't connect :P
913 2011-03-23 07:15:05 <echoecho> I like
914 2011-03-23 07:16:24 <echoecho> Aha, I bet I have to wait for the Bitcoin server to download all the blocks or whatever?
915 2011-03-23 07:17:14 <phantomcircuit> yeah
916 2011-03-23 07:17:34 <echoecho> That'd be why BitCoin gets angry at me :)
917 2011-03-23 07:18:08 <Blitzboom> no server, echoecho
918 2011-03-23 07:18:15 <Blitzboom> you connect to other nodes
919 2011-03-23 07:18:45 <echoecho> Err, right, but the BitCoin wallet is running the RPC server that the miner connect to?
920 2011-03-23 07:19:27 <echoecho> I realize BitCoin itself is P2P
921 2011-03-23 07:29:39 <echoecho> Question: what happens when bitcoins are "lost"?
922 2011-03-23 07:29:45 <Blitzboom> they are lost
923 2011-03-23 07:29:45 <genjix> does anybody know how to find the input addresses for a CTransaction?
924 2011-03-23 07:29:50 <echoecho> Say somebody goes and mines a bunch of coins, then virus or reformat
925 2011-03-23 07:29:54 <Blitzboom> if you lose your private key, you lose access to your bitcoins
926 2011-03-23 07:30:00 <Blitzboom> private keys*
927 2011-03-23 07:30:00 <echoecho> Doesn't that guarantee the eventual extinction of the currency?
928 2011-03-23 07:30:02 <genjix> echoecho: #bitcoin-discussion
929 2011-03-23 07:30:16 <genjix> im asking a dev question and you're spamming noob questions
930 2011-03-23 07:30:19 <genjix> does anybody know how to find the input addresses for a CTransaction?
931 2011-03-23 07:30:47 <echoecho> np genjix, earlier user said not to bother, I can channel-hop :)
932 2011-03-23 07:32:03 <genjix> thx
933 2011-03-23 07:34:23 <phantomcircuit> echoecho, very far in the future, like say around the time that sha256 is broken
934 2011-03-23 07:34:43 <echoecho> phantomcircuit: fair enough :)
935 2011-03-23 07:36:18 <echoecho> Going to bed, TTYL everyone
936 2011-03-23 07:36:27 <echoecho> Thanks for your help
937 2011-03-23 07:39:24 <phantomcircuit> http://i.imgur.com/K2rhM.jpg
938 2011-03-23 07:39:25 <phantomcircuit> baller