1 2011-03-25 00:00:01 <jgarzik> slush: anything at all strange about it?  overly large and no fees?  sendmany with lots of outputs?
  2 2011-03-25 00:00:50 <slush> jgarzik: no, standard 50 BTC payment
  3 2011-03-25 00:00:55 <slush> I forgot to add fees
  4 2011-03-25 00:01:04 <gruez> slush, can you configure your pool
  5 2011-03-25 00:01:09 <gruez> so it makes bigger blocks?
  6 2011-03-25 00:01:11 <slush> but another 50 BTC payment with >120 confirmations is already processed
  7 2011-03-25 00:01:55 <slush> 50BTC payment from block with >120 conf...
  8 2011-03-25 00:02:39 <tcatm> slush: what's the IP of your node that knows about b180b04ca47e6099eb02fbda65c8156250035ad7aa99d0fd8b1b692487665666?
  9 2011-03-25 00:03:18 <jgarzik> slush: dunno, and deep into debugging another problem right now.  would help to dump the transaction.
 10 2011-03-25 00:03:52 <jgarzik> slush: presumably it just missed getting relayed.  restarting the node should retransmit.  you can connect directly to bitcoincharts.com (`host bitcoincharts.com`) to make sure your unconfirmed TX shows up there.
 11 2011-03-25 00:04:22 <slush> tcatm: 178.79.155.53
 12 2011-03-25 00:05:45 <slush> under which rules client retransmit transaction? I though it broadcast only once and wait to block...
 13 2011-03-25 00:07:46 <tcatm> it won't let me connect
 14 2011-03-25 00:09:16 <slush> well, I finally see the problem
 15 2011-03-25 00:09:26 <phantomcircuit> lol oh wow this is slow
 16 2011-03-25 00:09:36 <phantomcircuit> it took almost 20 minutes to load the first 1000 blocks
 17 2011-03-25 00:09:39 <phantomcircuit> facepalm
 18 2011-03-25 00:09:39 <slush> the sending bitcoin client is behind next one (sitting on the ip .53)
 19 2011-03-25 00:09:53 <slush> but there is limitfreerelay and the node was out of free tx
 20 2011-03-25 00:10:10 <slush> as I forgot to add fees, the node blocked transaction and it was not broadcasted to the rest of the network ;))
 21 2011-03-25 00:10:31 <slush> facepalm
 22 2011-03-25 00:13:02 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr <luke-jr+git@utopios.org> combo * r0c1042da7267 bitcoind-personal/.gitignore: ignore stuff
 23 2011-03-25 00:13:04 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr <luke-jr+git@utopios.org> combo * r06eb1fc7748d bitcoind-personal/ (main.cpp main.h rpc.cpp serialize.h): Merge branch 'LJR-combo-2' into LJR-combo-3
 24 2011-03-25 00:13:05 <CIA-96> bitcoin: tcatm <tcatm@gawab.com> combo * rc3f140033c53 bitcoind-personal/init.cpp: catch SIGINT, SIGHUP and SIGSEGV and shutdown cleanly
 25 2011-03-25 00:13:10 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Santiago M. Mola <coldwind@coldwind.org> combo * rf30dabb2ace0 bitcoind-personal/locale/es/LC_MESSAGES/bitcoin.po: Update Spanish translation.
 26 2011-03-25 00:13:13 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen <gavinandresen@gmail.com> combo * r2abd56f4280c bitcoind-personal/main.cpp: Merge branch 'limitfree' of /Users/gavin/src/integration_btc
 27 2011-03-25 00:13:15 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen <gavinandresen@gmail.com> combo * rdfd059173d91 bitcoind-personal/main.cpp: Merge branch 'subcent-change' of https://github.com/tcatm/bitcoin
 28 2011-03-25 00:13:16 <CIA-96> bitcoin: tcatm <tcatm@gawab.com> combo * rf4f2987273a9 bitcoind-personal/ (uibase.cpp uibase.h uiproject.fbp): remove from/message field from uiproject
 29 2011-03-25 00:13:20 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org> combo * r448b4516ff98 bitcoind-personal/net.cpp: dnsseed: fix printf
 30 2011-03-25 00:13:21 <CIA-96> bitcoin: tcatm <tcatm@gawab.com> combo * re1205e4d1540 bitcoind-personal/init.cpp: -help: do not show -server and -daemon in bitcoind
 31 2011-03-25 00:13:24 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org> combo * r3a47bf72658b bitcoind-personal/init.cpp: Merge branch 'master' of git://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin
 32 2011-03-25 00:13:25 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org> combo * r8203ec4b1142 bitcoind-personal/locale/ (es/LC_MESSAGES/bitcoin.mo nl/LC_MESSAGES/bitcoin.mo): [locale] Regenerate es, nl binary message catalogs
 33 2011-03-25 00:13:27 <luke-jr> hmm
 34 2011-03-25 00:13:28 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org> combo * r0b8e4738f90d bitcoind-personal/locale/es/LC_MESSAGES/bitcoin.po: Merge branch 'master' of https://github.com/smola/bitcoin into tmp
 35 2011-03-25 00:13:31 <CIA-96> bitcoin: tcatm <tcatm@gawab.com> combo * r1c09a4adb20a bitcoind-personal/init.cpp: daemon-mode: add sleep() loop to prevent defunct child process, call setsid() in child
 36 2011-03-25 00:13:32 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr <luke-jr+git@utopios.org> combo * r7e10ffa17f4f bitcoind-personal/serialize.h: pszSubVer .ljr2
 37 2011-03-25 00:13:33 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Sven Slootweg <info@sven-slootweg.nl> combo * ra07dca7cd201 bitcoind-personal/locale/nl/LC_MESSAGES/bitcoin.po: Updated dutch translation
 38 2011-03-25 00:13:35 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen <gavinandresen@gmail.com> combo * rb7ebc662eb18 bitcoind-personal/ (uibase.cpp uiproject.fbp): Update copyright in About box from 2010 to 2011
 39 2011-03-25 00:13:35 <phantomcircuit> ropfl
 40 2011-03-25 00:13:37 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org> combo * re2e5f5cd9da7 bitcoind-personal/ (init.cpp util.cpp util.h): Fix -logtimestamps to only print time prefix once per output line
 41 2011-03-25 00:13:38 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen <gavinandresen@gmail.com> combo * r27b7f3b43a38 bitcoind-personal/ (main.cpp net.h): Merge branch 'shy'
 42 2011-03-25 00:13:38 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, oops?
 43 2011-03-25 00:13:40 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen <gavinandresen@gmail.com> combo * r4b88647966a1 bitcoind-personal/ (init.cpp net.cpp net.h): Merge branch 'dns-seed' of https://github.com/jgarzik/bitcoin
 44 2011-03-25 00:13:43 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen <gavinandresen@gmail.com> combo * rd43fd8a038b7 bitcoind-personal/util.cpp: Merge branch 'log-timestamp' of https://github.com/TheBlueMatt/bitcoin
 45 2011-03-25 00:13:43 <jgarzik> what is all this crap?
 46 2011-03-25 00:13:46 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen <gavinandresen@gmail.com> combo * rb931ed8563ef bitcoind-personal/ (main.cpp main.h rpc.cpp): sendmany RPC command, to send to multiple recipients in one transaction.
 47 2011-03-25 00:13:47 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen <gavinandresen@gmail.com> combo * r88abf70386f1 bitcoind-personal/main.cpp: Make sure rate-limiting code is thread-safe
 48 2011-03-25 00:13:48 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen <gavinandresen@gmail.com> combo * r5de8b54c5138 bitcoind-personal/main.cpp: Continuously rate-limit free transactions. Changed algorithm to use continuous exponential function instead of discrete 10-minute window. Changed -limitfreerelay to be kilobytes-per-minute instead of boolean.
 49 2011-03-25 00:13:50 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Matt Corallo <matt@bluematt.me> combo * rca221e6c21d6 bitcoind-personal/util.cpp: Only log timestamps if -logtimestamps is set.
 50 2011-03-25 00:13:51 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Matt Corallo <matt@bluematt.me> combo * rfe460d47b06d bitcoind-personal/util.cpp: Add timestamp prefix to each line in the debug log (this time with human-readable times)
 51 2011-03-25 00:13:54 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org> combo * rf684aec4f38d bitcoind-personal/ (init.cpp net.cpp net.h): DNS seeding
 52 2011-03-25 00:13:54 <luke-jr> perhaps next time I should merge the other direction
 53 2011-03-25 00:13:55 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen <gavinandresen@gmail.com> combo * rcbc920d474b8 bitcoind-personal/ (main.cpp net.h): shy patch from Hal
 54 2011-03-25 00:13:56 <CIA-96> bitcoin: tcatm <tcatm@gawab.com> combo * rea7cd317516a bitcoind-personal/init.cpp: force fDaemon in bitcoind
 55 2011-03-25 00:13:59 <CIA-96> bitcoin: tcatm <tcatm@gawab.com> combo * ra79409afa9c5 bitcoind-personal/init.cpp: fix whitespace
 56 2011-03-25 00:14:00 <CIA-96> bitcoin: tcatm <tcatm@gawab.com> combo * rdda48ccd0f7c bitcoind-personal/ (init.cpp util.cpp util.h): fix -daemon switch
 57 2011-03-25 00:14:02 <luke-jr> or turn CIA off before pushing it
 58 2011-03-25 00:14:20 <phantomcircuit> seriously though
 59 2011-03-25 00:14:33 <luke-jr> also, isn't it backward? O.o
 60 2011-03-25 00:14:34 <phantomcircuit> sqlite is taking 0.003 seconds to do a simple select
 61 2011-03-25 00:14:49 <tcatm> luke-jr: is that your repo?
 62 2011-03-25 00:14:57 <luke-jr> yeah, I just rebuilt it from master
 63 2011-03-25 00:15:08 <tcatm> turn CIA off for this channel
 64 2011-03-25 00:15:38 <phantomcircuit> just connecting the blocks together will take well over 5 minutes at that rate
 65 2011-03-25 00:17:25 <thursday_> phantomcircuit: so do a complex select :)
 66 2011-03-25 00:17:40 <thursday_> instead of thousands of simple ones
 67 2011-03-25 00:18:29 <phantomcircuit> thursday_, im walking the block chain
 68 2011-03-25 00:18:33 <tcatm> what are you doing? select * from blocks where hash = $prevhash?
 69 2011-03-25 00:18:34 <phantomcircuit> there is literally no way to do that
 70 2011-03-25 00:18:45 <phantomcircuit> tcatm, yeah basically
 71 2011-03-25 00:18:58 <phantomcircuit> tcatm, except in reverse
 72 2011-03-25 00:19:06 <phantomcircuit> select * from blocks where prev_hash = hash;
 73 2011-03-25 00:19:15 <phantomcircuit> magic i found all the possible next blocks
 74 2011-03-25 00:19:51 <phantomcircuit> problem is that sqlite can only do a tiny number of transactions/second
 75 2011-03-25 00:21:01 <CIA-96> bitcoin: phantomcircuit <phantomcircuit@covertinferno.org> sqlalchemy * rd8645698a0b6 bitcoin-alt/bitcoin/peer.py: Attempted to improve performance... failed
 76 2011-03-25 00:21:10 <phantomcircuit> ^_^
 77 2011-03-25 00:21:51 <tcatm> hm this could be useful during blockdownload (of another client)
 78 2011-03-25 00:23:22 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: well, you can tweak sqlite transaction fsync strategy and other details, to gain performance
 79 2011-03-25 00:23:43 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: also, multi-process or multi-thread sqlite isn't as snappy as single-thread
 80 2011-03-25 00:23:54 <jgarzik> (multi-handle or multi-process, to be specific)
 81 2011-03-25 00:29:31 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: are you compiling the query?
 82 2011-03-25 00:30:10 <jnd> ;;bc,stats
 83 2011-03-25 00:30:12 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114905 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 6 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 hour, 3 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 68976.67683808
 84 2011-03-25 00:34:16 <thursday_> ooh one hour!
 85 2011-03-25 00:34:27 <thursday_> any bets on whether it'll break 69000 ? :)
 86 2011-03-25 00:36:16 <luke-jr> meh, sure
 87 2011-03-25 00:37:02 <thursday_> yea, it's pretty close, so unless the network gets unlucky, i think it'll pull over 69k
 88 2011-03-25 00:37:16 <luke-jr> I'm betting 1 BTC that it won't break 69000
 89 2011-03-25 00:37:19 <luke-jr> who's betting against me?
 90 2011-03-25 00:37:37 <luke-jr> you mean lucky
 91 2011-03-25 00:37:38 <tcatm> phantomcircuit: I can fetch the chain with 1.69ms/block
 92 2011-03-25 00:37:45 <tcatm> pretty slow...
 93 2011-03-25 00:38:06 <luke-jr> [Friday, January 21, 2011] [5:41:09 am] <gribble>   Current Blocks: 103819 | Current Difficulty: 18437.64439217 | Next Difficulty At Block: 104831 | Next Difficulty In: 1011 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 21 hours, 15 minutes, and 33 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 22020.28147639
 94 2011-03-25 00:38:27 <luke-jr> thursday_: so if it's > 69000, I pay you 1 BTC; if it's <= 69000, you pay me 1 BTC?
 95 2011-03-25 00:38:51 <lfm> wht if it is equal?
 96 2011-03-25 00:38:59 <lfm> nm
 97 2011-03-25 00:39:01 <luke-jr> &
 98 2011-03-25 00:39:15 <luke-jr> d :P
 99 2011-03-25 00:39:53 <luke-jr> thursday_: we got a betG
100 2011-03-25 00:40:19 <luke-jr> ;;bc,stats
101 2011-03-25 00:40:22 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114906 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 5 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 52 minutes and 55 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 68986.64824838
102 2011-03-25 00:40:34 <thursday_> luke-jr: hehe i was using 'bet' in the loose sense of the word, of "what do you think" :)
103 2011-03-25 00:40:40 <luke-jr> thursday_: so no bet?
104 2011-03-25 00:40:44 <thursday_> if i had to bet money, i'd bet on >69k myself. :)
105 2011-03-25 00:40:50 <luke-jr> that's what I'm saying
106 2011-03-25 00:41:01 <thursday_> ah
107 2011-03-25 00:41:06 <luke-jr> <= 69k, you pay me; > 69k, I pay you
108 2011-03-25 00:41:09 <luke-jr> just 1 BTC
109 2011-03-25 00:41:13 <thursday_> well, ok, i'm willing to risk 1btc on that, sure. :)
110 2011-03-25 00:43:56 <thursday_> luke-jr: pm?
111 2011-03-25 00:44:15 <luke-jr> k
112 2011-03-25 00:44:47 <luke-jr> ;;bc,stats
113 2011-03-25 00:44:49 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114907 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 4 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 42 minutes and 16 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 68997.73097498
114 2011-03-25 00:44:53 <luke-jr> >_<
115 2011-03-25 00:45:00 <luke-jr> thursday_: did you just start more miners?
116 2011-03-25 00:47:22 <thursday_> luke-jr: haha yes, all so i could win 1 btc, sure :P
117 2011-03-25 00:49:04 <theymos> I'm pretty sure it will go above 69k. Average interval since the last retarget is 663 seconds, and the recent interval has been significantly lower.
118 2011-03-25 00:53:08 <luke-jr> ;;bc,stats
119 2011-03-25 00:53:11 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114908 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 3 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 31 minutes and 42 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 69006.59972043
120 2011-03-25 00:53:14 <luke-jr> crap
121 2011-03-25 00:53:52 <theymos> It could still go down, if miners are unlucky.
122 2011-03-25 00:56:13 <luke-jr> Beremat: wait
123 2011-03-25 00:56:14 <luke-jr> !
124 2011-03-25 00:56:35 <thursday_> haha
125 2011-03-25 00:57:07 <Beremat> uh oh
126 2011-03-25 00:57:09 <Beremat> now it's gotten serious
127 2011-03-25 00:57:45 <lfm> send me 0.10 and Ill shut down 370Mh/s
128 2011-03-25 00:58:18 <Beremat> send me 0.10 and Ill also shut down ~420mh/s
129 2011-03-25 00:58:42 <luke-jr> 0.05 ea
130 2011-03-25 00:58:45 <luke-jr> deal?
131 2011-03-25 00:58:59 <luke-jr> conditional on me winning this ofc
132 2011-03-25 00:59:09 <lfm> itd be a bad investment cuz there is no way of verifying if we do
133 2011-03-25 00:59:19 <tcatm> I'll shut down 3.5Ghash/s for 1.04 BTC
134 2011-03-25 00:59:19 <thursday_> check their otc trust rating. :)
135 2011-03-25 01:00:12 <thursday_> haha
136 2011-03-25 01:00:14 <thursday_> ;;bc,stats
137 2011-03-25 01:00:15 <xenon481> I'll shut down 50Mhash/s for 10.0BTC
138 2011-03-25 01:00:16 <Beremat> forgive me if I'm being nosy, but how much power does ArtForz have?
139 2011-03-25 01:00:16 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114908 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 3 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 31 minutes and 42 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 69006.59972043
140 2011-03-25 01:00:27 <xenon481> ;)
141 2011-03-25 01:00:53 <luke-jr> Beremat: 20%?
142 2011-03-25 01:01:21 <Beremat> that's huge
143 2011-03-25 01:01:26 <thursday_> last report has it at about 30ghps
144 2011-03-25 01:01:38 <thursday_> not even 10%
145 2011-03-25 01:02:33 <Beremat> that's like 5.5%
146 2011-03-25 01:02:34 <Beremat> still huge
147 2011-03-25 01:05:14 <gasteve> hit an issue that I've never seen before...there's a transaction that went into a "0/offline?" status...after a restart, it seems bitcoin is back online, but it doesn't seem to be trying to re-broadcast that transaction
148 2011-03-25 01:05:31 <thursday_> gasteve: how long have you been online?
149 2011-03-25 01:05:32 <theymos> It'll rebroadcast in about 30 minutes.
150 2011-03-25 01:05:44 <theymos> No.
151 2011-03-25 01:05:51 <gasteve> seems like that would be a nice feature
152 2011-03-25 01:06:00 <lfm> the easy way is wait 30 min
153 2011-03-25 01:06:03 <thursday_> mmm maybe there should be a 'bitcoind forcerebroadcast' to rebroadcast unconf tx
154 2011-03-25 01:06:21 <gasteve> would be nice ;)
155 2011-03-25 01:06:32 <thursday_> gasteve: well, what are you waiting for? get coding :P
156 2011-03-25 01:06:34 <thursday_> eheh
157 2011-03-25 01:06:37 <lfm> that would make spammers life too easy
158 2011-03-25 01:06:47 <gasteve> i am coding...just on something different
159 2011-03-25 01:07:12 <lfm> maye allow it if oyu add a fee
160 2011-03-25 01:07:14 <gasteve> maybe just make it a gui option (a serious spammer wouldn't be using the GUI)
161 2011-03-25 01:07:28 <luke-jr> ;;bc,stats
162 2011-03-25 01:07:31 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114908 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 3 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 31 minutes and 42 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 69006.59972043
163 2011-03-25 01:07:39 <thursday_> come on blocks!!
164 2011-03-25 01:07:40 <thursday_> heh
165 2011-03-25 01:07:59 <thursday_> lfm: well, other nodes won't pass it on if they already have it.
166 2011-03-25 01:08:07 <thursday_> lfm: so it won't really help with spamming.
167 2011-03-25 01:08:22 <thursday_> it'll only help if a tx didn't get out to the net.
168 2011-03-25 01:09:41 <lfm> seems there should be the option of adding a fee to boost priority tho
169 2011-03-25 01:09:57 <theymos> Rebroadcasting frequently actually hurts propagation.
170 2011-03-25 01:10:22 <luke-jr> lfm: there is, just not implemented
171 2011-03-25 01:10:34 <tcatm> theymos: why?
172 2011-03-25 01:10:35 <lfm> seem it should be implemented
173 2011-03-25 01:10:38 <gasteve> actually, I'd be happy if the blocks took a long time...then the difficulty might go down by even more
174 2011-03-25 01:11:27 <Beremat> ;;bc,stats
175 2011-03-25 01:11:28 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114909 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 2 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 21 minutes and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 68984.43213029
176 2011-03-25 01:11:33 <luke-jr> :D
177 2011-03-25 01:11:50 <theymos> tcatm: It creates a "wall" of peers around you. The peers already have the tx, so they're not sending it on, but they are updating the "last seen" time for that tx (I think).
178 2011-03-25 01:11:57 <luke-jr> gasteve: I'm betting on it being <69000
179 2011-03-25 01:11:59 <luke-jr> literally
180 2011-03-25 01:13:25 <gasteve> theymos: but this is a case where the peers have never seen the transaction because it was never successfully broadcast in the first place
181 2011-03-25 01:13:33 <theymos> Right.
182 2011-03-25 01:13:48 <theymos> It hurts propagation if it has gotten out, though.
183 2011-03-25 01:14:03 <gasteve> so, an option to force the broadcast of any unbroadcast transactions would be nice
184 2011-03-25 01:14:15 <tcatm> I can't find a "last seen" to transactions in the code.
185 2011-03-25 01:15:07 <theymos> Actually, there isn't one. They never expire, which still creates the effect, but worse. (Forgot about this.)
186 2011-03-25 01:15:35 <theymos> Or they expire when the node restarts, rather.
187 2011-03-25 01:16:36 <tcatm> What was the reason for limitfreerelay again?
188 2011-03-25 01:16:54 <theymos> It limits the number of free transactions you will relay in an hour.
189 2011-03-25 01:17:09 <tcatm> yeah, but why do we need that?
190 2011-03-25 01:17:36 <jgarzik> tcatm: prevents a flood of TXs from bursting the cache all at once
191 2011-03-25 01:17:41 <theymos> It stops them from filling the network with spam messages.
192 2011-03-25 01:22:41 <Beremat> ;;bc,stats
193 2011-03-25 01:22:43 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114910 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 1 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 10 minutes and 33 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 68984.43213029
194 2011-03-25 01:22:52 <Beremat> hnnng this is going to be really close
195 2011-03-25 01:22:58 <luke-jr> thursday_: :D
196 2011-03-25 01:25:56 <gasteve> someone should start a pool on the next difficulty
197 2011-03-25 01:35:07 <Beremat> ;;bc,stats
198 2011-03-25 01:35:09 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114911 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 0 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 0 days, 18 hours, 28 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 68977.78463020
199 2011-03-25 01:35:15 <[Tycho]> gasteve, why ?
200 2011-03-25 01:35:27 <kiba> WHY?
201 2011-03-25 01:35:44 <slush> ;;bc,stats
202 2011-03-25 01:35:46 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114911 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 0 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 0 days, 19 hours, 2 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 68977.78463020
203 2011-03-25 01:35:57 <theymos> Looks like luke-jr won.
204 2011-03-25 01:36:12 <luke-jr> :D
205 2011-03-25 01:36:52 <gasteve> [Tycho]: luke-jr betting on it made me think of a pool
206 2011-03-25 01:37:00 <luke-jr> #bitcoin-mining [21:55:32] <luke-jr> everyone shutdown miners to sandbox next difficulty plz
207 2011-03-25 01:40:38 <devrandom> ;;bc,stats
208 2011-03-25 01:40:40 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114912 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 2015 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 23 hours, 55 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 275911.13852083
209 2011-03-25 01:41:03 <luke-jr> 68978.89245792
210 2011-03-25 01:41:42 <Beremat> Next Difficulty Estimate: 275911.13852083
211 2011-03-25 01:41:56 <xenon481> ha
212 2011-03-25 01:42:08 <Beremat> let's all keep being lucky
213 2011-03-25 01:42:15 <gruez> NEW BLOCKS?
214 2011-03-25 01:42:20 <gruez> NEW DIFFICULTY?
215 2011-03-25 01:42:25 <gruez> has it gone up, or down?
216 2011-03-25 01:42:26 <jgarzik> (and maybe my miner would find a block or two, then)
217 2011-03-25 01:42:28 <jgarzik> :)
218 2011-03-25 01:42:39 <jgarzik> gruez: yes
219 2011-03-25 01:42:49 <gruez> YES
220 2011-03-25 01:42:53 <[Tycho]> My mining is lucky today.
221 2011-03-25 01:42:55 <xenon481> yes
222 2011-03-25 01:43:39 <devrandom> okay, this is going to be astronomical
223 2011-03-25 01:43:41 <devrandom> ;;bc,stats
224 2011-03-25 01:43:43 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114913 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 2014 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 2 hours, 54 minutes, and 34 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 275911.13852083
225 2011-03-25 01:43:45 <[Tycho]> Average shares per block in last half day is 35k ^)
226 2011-03-25 01:44:04 <devrandom> oh, it doesn't update on every block
227 2011-03-25 01:44:18 <gruez> Next Difficulty Estimate: 275911.13852083
228 2011-03-25 01:44:18 <subpar> [Tycho]: agreed - great day today
229 2011-03-25 01:44:19 <slush> [Tycho]: I noticed the same yesterday
230 2011-03-25 01:44:20 <gruez> lolwut?
231 2011-03-25 01:44:27 <gruez> 275911!?!?!
232 2011-03-25 01:44:31 <subpar> gruez: it will normalize
233 2011-03-25 01:44:36 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calcd 265000 275911
234 2011-03-25 01:44:37 <Beremat> pf, 275911 is nothing
235 2011-03-25 01:44:37 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 265000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 275911, is 7 weeks, 2 days, 18 hours, 10 minutes, and 6 seconds
236 2011-03-25 01:44:42 <slush> [Tycho]: such variance is quite interesting
237 2011-03-25 01:45:13 <subpar> ;;bc,calc 540000
238 2011-03-25 01:45:14 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 540000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 6 days, 8 hours, 23 minutes, and 53 seconds
239 2011-03-25 01:45:27 <theymos> The estimate only looks at blocks since the last retarget. The reason the estimates for the last two blocks have been the same is that the 4x rule was triggered.
240 2011-03-25 01:45:27 <[Tycho]> slush, yesterday i had a nice sequence of blocks, fitting in a vertical line of shares/block graph :)
241 2011-03-25 01:45:44 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 265000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 68978.8924, is 1 week, 5 days, 22 hours, 32 minutes, and 50 seconds
242 2011-03-25 01:45:44 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calcd 265000 68978.8924
243 2011-03-25 01:45:51 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 265000
244 2011-03-25 01:45:53 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 265000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 1 week, 5 days, 22 hours, 32 minutes, and 50 seconds
245 2011-03-25 01:46:12 <devrandom> theymos - gotcha
246 2011-03-25 01:47:39 <[Tycho]> http://tr00.ru/hg.gif
247 2011-03-25 01:48:04 <slush> :)
248 2011-03-25 01:48:36 <gruez> [Tycho], slush, since you two are pool owners
249 2011-03-25 01:48:47 <gruez> would you two consider making blocks bigger?
250 2011-03-25 01:48:59 <gruez> so there can be more free transactions?
251 2011-03-25 01:49:09 <slush> gruez: I'm currently limiting them because of performance issues
252 2011-03-25 01:49:11 <[Tycho]> I tried already, it's useless.
253 2011-03-25 01:49:22 <gruez> :/
254 2011-03-25 01:49:25 <slush> but as it will be solved, I'm open to make blocks bigger
255 2011-03-25 01:49:53 <[Tycho]> When the flood started, I included up to 100 Kb of flood txes in each block. But now he just generates them faster.
256 2011-03-25 01:50:24 <tcatm> gruez: most free tx get into blocks quickly
257 2011-03-25 01:50:38 <theymos> If real transactions are not getting in, then the priority algorithm needs to be improved.
258 2011-03-25 01:50:59 <[Tycho]> Looks like it's mostly fine with real txses now.
259 2011-03-25 01:51:05 <gruez> i think there's a backlog of transactions right now
260 2011-03-25 01:51:19 <tcatm> yep. mostly spam
261 2011-03-25 01:51:22 <gruez> a transaction from ~4 hours ago did not recive one confirmation
262 2011-03-25 01:51:58 <devrandom> the tx flood is probably created by satoshi to make sure we take steps to make the network more resilient :-P
263 2011-03-25 01:52:39 <[Tycho]> It was probably created to force everyone into paying fees :)
264 2011-03-25 01:52:58 <doublec> slush: does paying a tx fee of 0.01 mean that your pool is more likely to include the transaction?
265 2011-03-25 01:52:59 <slush> people already claimed that I'm the spammer :)
266 2011-03-25 01:52:59 <[Tycho]> But i won't point my finger on the suspect :)
267 2011-03-25 01:53:19 <slush> doublec: not only my pool, but any miner
268 2011-03-25 01:53:23 <tcatm> slush: performance issues == slow getwork?
269 2011-03-25 01:53:38 <[Tycho]> No, not slush. It would hurt him more if he didn't pretected himself.
270 2011-03-25 01:54:06 <doublec> slush: thanks, I've set that as the default payment on mine.
271 2011-03-25 01:54:19 <tcatm> ArtForz is working on a patch, that'll improve performance by at least 21.5x
272 2011-03-25 01:54:23 <slush> doublec: I'm paying fees everywhere now
273 2011-03-25 01:54:39 <slush> tcatm: those orphan transactions?
274 2011-03-25 01:54:56 <tcatm> orphan tx?
275 2011-03-25 01:55:04 <[Tycho]> Found someone's lost fee. And will lose it too, may be :)
276 2011-03-25 01:55:05 <slush> there is another patch on the way from m0mchil to not share same lock between createblock and getwork
277 2011-03-25 01:55:57 <[Tycho]> Poor stray bitcents :)
278 2011-03-25 01:55:59 <tcatm> I have a patch that reduces a getwork that took 1.7s to 79ms
279 2011-03-25 01:56:02 <slush> tcatm: I probably don't understand the stuff what ArtForz is doing. It's something about chaining transactions, right?
280 2011-03-25 01:56:29 <slush> tcatm: how so?
281 2011-03-25 01:56:53 <tcatm> CreateNewBlock() is doing a lot of things it doesn't need to. Like looking up each transactions inputs *twice* from disk.
282 2011-03-25 01:57:26 <slush> tcatm: is the patch available?
283 2011-03-25 01:57:30 <tcatm> ...before filtering transactions that won't be included in the block anyway
284 2011-03-25 01:57:41 <luke-jr> lol
285 2011-03-25 01:57:42 <slush> yes, that's my current problem
286 2011-03-25 01:57:59 <tcatm> that 79ms is with > 600 tx in queue
287 2011-03-25 01:58:50 <slush> yes, that's definitely interesting :)
288 2011-03-25 01:59:26 <tcatm> slush: http://pastebin.com/KD93u7zs don't use it in production yet. it might create invalid blocks after chain reorgs (that's what art is fixing)
289 2011-03-25 01:59:47 <slush> ok, thanks
290 2011-03-25 01:59:58 <slush> I have to go, good night!
291 2011-03-25 02:00:03 <[Tycho]> Bye
292 2011-03-25 02:00:21 <tcatm> night
293 2011-03-25 02:11:24 <alex5771> hi
294 2011-03-25 02:13:31 <dissipate> alex5771, hello
295 2011-03-25 02:14:27 <alex5771> question with possibly not very ethical/evil intenet write miner in ecmaScript or ActionScript put it on websites and let visitors generate coins for the site owner?
296 2011-03-25 02:14:38 <alex5771> any comments?
297 2011-03-25 02:14:56 <[Tycho]> Useless.
298 2011-03-25 02:15:13 <alex5771> why too slow?
299 2011-03-25 02:15:44 <[Tycho]> Ineffective CPU miner won't mine almost anything even with 1000s of users.
300 2011-03-25 02:15:57 <[Tycho]> It's cheaper to buy one GPU instead :)
301 2011-03-25 02:16:09 <alex5771> so cpu mining is basicly dead?
302 2011-03-25 02:16:14 <[Tycho]> Yes.
303 2011-03-25 02:16:39 <lfm> ''bc,stats
304 2011-03-25 02:16:52 <lfm> ;;bc,stats
305 2011-03-25 02:16:54 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114916 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 2011 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 17 hours, 26 minutes, and 19 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 179318.33443719
306 2011-03-25 02:17:10 <alex5771> what about Amazon's Tesla GPU cloud,anybody used that?
307 2011-03-25 02:17:29 <dissipate> alex5771, not cost effective
308 2011-03-25 02:17:30 <[Tycho]> Yes.
309 2011-03-25 02:17:32 <lfm> tesla is soso for bitcoin
310 2011-03-25 02:17:47 <dissipate> isn't it like $2 an hour or something?
311 2011-03-25 02:18:13 <[Tycho]> 1) nVidia is really inferior, 2) it's many times more expensive than buying a GPU
312 2011-03-25 02:18:33 <alex5771> what u mean,is not nvidia a GPU?
313 2011-03-25 02:18:41 <lfm> 3 amazon overcharges
314 2011-03-25 02:18:43 <luke-jr> nvidia is a crappy GPU
315 2011-03-25 02:18:49 <luke-jr> you need a good GPU, eg AMD
316 2011-03-25 02:18:49 <[Tycho]> I mean real GPU, like ATI :)
317 2011-03-25 02:19:00 <alex5771> ok
318 2011-03-25 02:19:11 <lfm> alex5771: the amd/ati structure works much better for bitcoin type problems
319 2011-03-25 02:19:11 <xenon481> I think alex was talking about "stealing" the computing power of people that stumbled across the script silently embeded in the website.
320 2011-03-25 02:19:25 <alex5771> chanel bitcoin-watch what is it,just current transactions and exchange rates?
321 2011-03-25 02:19:27 <[Tycho]> xenon481, yes.
322 2011-03-25 02:19:50 <xenon481> as such, why would he care about the cost?
323 2011-03-25 02:20:04 <lfm> xenon481: well ya if you have a free botnet you could try to clean up
324 2011-03-25 02:20:10 <alex5771> xenon481:yes however even with a few K users its not practicle,from what ppl explain,unless one can access OpenCL
325 2011-03-25 02:20:10 <luke-jr> alex5771: current transactions and trades
326 2011-03-25 02:20:11 <[Tycho]> Such script will be a few times slower than real compiled software.
327 2011-03-25 02:20:27 <luke-jr> in realtime
328 2011-03-25 02:20:35 <lfm> alex5771: why couldnt you
329 2011-03-25 02:20:38 <Beremat> WebCL is coming up
330 2011-03-25 02:20:46 <[Tycho]> xenon481, your time to develop this would cost you more :)
331 2011-03-25 02:20:58 <alex5771> Beremat:interesting....
332 2011-03-25 02:29:50 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
333 2011-03-25 02:29:54 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114918 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 2009 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 8 hours, 53 minutes, and 34 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 108222.08738597
334 2011-03-25 02:29:59 <JFK911> Next Difficulty Estimate:  179318.33443719
335 2011-03-25 02:30:02 <JFK911> great
336 2011-03-25 02:31:34 <[Tycho]> FairUser's ad :) "The server is running directly on hardware dedicated to this pool.  It is not running on a VPS on a over loaded server like some other pools"
337 2011-03-25 02:31:55 <[Tycho]> It's his way to say that he is running his server at home :)
338 2011-03-25 02:35:03 <afed_> haha what the hell is going on
339 2011-03-25 02:40:51 <FellowTraveler> hi all
340 2011-03-25 02:40:58 <[Tycho]> Hello.
341 2011-03-25 02:42:27 <AmpEater> magazine should fund self
342 2011-03-25 02:44:04 <kiba> trying to figure out a business model here
343 2011-03-25 02:44:20 <AmpEater> what zine we talking?
344 2011-03-25 02:45:41 <afed_> ;;bc,calc 1300000
345 2011-03-25 02:45:43 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1300000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 2 days, 15 hours, 18 minutes, and 13 seconds
346 2011-03-25 03:02:09 <midnightmagic> ;;bc,stats
347 2011-03-25 03:02:13 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114921 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 2006 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 4 hours, 34 minutes, and 52 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 95427.41706845
348 2011-03-25 03:04:00 <midnightmagic> Bitcoin Times isn't it?
349 2011-03-25 03:04:12 <kiba> Bitcoin Times?
350 2011-03-25 03:04:16 <kiba> it doesn't exists
351 2011-03-25 03:04:22 <kiba> anymore
352 2011-03-25 03:04:24 <midnightmagic> what's your zine
353 2011-03-25 03:04:26 <kiba> The Bitcoin Weekly does
354 2011-03-25 03:04:31 <midnightmagic> ok
355 2011-03-25 03:04:53 <kiba> it seems that my former employer just gave up :D
356 2011-03-25 03:04:58 <midnightmagic> ? for classifieds, ? for ads, ? payouts from income, to writers.
357 2011-03-25 03:05:30 <kiba> to be fair, he's just a high school kid
358 2011-03-25 03:05:34 <kiba> and I am a collge student
359 2011-03-25 03:05:36 <midnightmagic> find writers who are willing to take %x
360 2011-03-25 03:05:49 <kiba> I paid a writer 5 BTC for a while
361 2011-03-25 03:06:18 <bt2100> if there was a site that allowed people to write things for specific functions for btc i'd be interested in that
362 2011-03-25 03:12:36 <Stellar> ;;bc,calc 560000
363 2011-03-25 03:12:37 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 560000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 6 days, 2 hours, 57 minutes, and 19 seconds
364 2011-03-25 03:17:45 <glassresistor> im thinking about getting liquid cooling for my radeon hd 5870, 5750, and a phenom II
365 2011-03-25 03:17:57 <glassresistor> anyone know of a 2-4 headed system?
366 2011-03-25 03:22:13 <afed_> i'm a sex maniac
367 2011-03-25 03:24:08 <glassresistor> cool
368 2011-03-25 03:29:04 <AmpEater> sex explosion
369 2011-03-25 04:31:20 <AmpEater> ;;bc,gen 1300000
370 2011-03-25 04:31:22 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1300000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 18.9561885987 BTC per day and 0.789841191611 BTC per hour.
371 2011-03-25 04:32:04 <{t_t}> ;;bc,mtgox
372 2011-03-25 04:32:05 <gribble> Too many connections
373 2011-03-25 04:32:08 <{t_t}> ;;bc,mtgox
374 2011-03-25 04:32:16 <gribble> Too many connections
375 2011-03-25 04:45:18 <lfm> bitcoin crashed?
376 2011-03-25 04:46:15 <lfm> wth
377 2011-03-25 04:49:12 <necrodearia> I2P charity added!
378 2011-03-25 05:07:21 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,stats
379 2011-03-25 05:07:24 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114934 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 1993 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 20 hours, 21 minutes, and 41 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 77623.38261341
380 2011-03-25 05:07:55 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,calc 115000
381 2011-03-25 05:07:56 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 115000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 4 weeks, 1 day, 19 hours, 36 minutes, and 32 seconds
382 2011-03-25 05:08:02 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,calc 4000
383 2011-03-25 05:08:03 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 4000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 2 years, 18 weeks, 1 day, 5 hours, 45 minutes, and 21 seconds
384 2011-03-25 05:08:14 <LobsterMan> lol i shouldn't even bother with my cpu..
385 2011-03-25 05:20:20 <necrodearia> http://fakenews.witcoin.com/p/505/U-S--radiation-sensors-deployed-nationwide#r-1044
386 2011-03-25 05:28:49 <Keefe> ;;bc,gen 4000
387 2011-03-25 05:28:52 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 4000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 0.0583267341497 BTC per day and 0.00243028058957 BTC per hour.
388 2011-03-25 05:29:09 <Keefe> LobsterMan: 0.40/week :)
389 2011-03-25 05:30:19 <dmorg> And what is that in calories or Joules I wonder?
390 2011-03-25 05:31:20 <x420024x> ;;bc,gen 1240000
391 2011-03-25 05:31:22 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1240000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 18.0812875864 BTC per day and 0.753386982767 BTC per hour.
392 2011-03-25 05:31:35 <x420024x> awesome
393 2011-03-25 05:34:09 <LobsterMan> i've been using the pool lately
394 2011-03-25 05:34:15 <LobsterMan> but my earnings are way down with diff so high <_<
395 2011-03-25 05:34:29 <LobsterMan> gonna try for my own blocks again since it went down slightly lol
396 2011-03-25 05:35:24 <Blitzboom> ;;bc,gen 330000
397 2011-03-25 05:35:25 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 330000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 4.81195556735 BTC per day and 0.20049814864 BTC per hour.
398 2011-03-25 05:35:45 <Blitzboom> fine with me
399 2011-03-25 05:37:13 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,gen 115000
400 2011-03-25 05:37:14 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 115000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 1.6768936068 BTC per day and 0.0698705669502 BTC per hour.
401 2011-03-25 05:39:07 <Sargun_Screen> ;bc 225
402 2011-03-25 05:39:09 <gribble> Error: "bc" is not a valid command.
403 2011-03-25 05:39:09 <Sargun_Screen> ;;bc 225
404 2011-03-25 05:39:17 <Sargun_Screen> ;;bc,gen 225
405 2011-03-25 05:39:18 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 225 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 0.00328087879592 BTC per day and 0.000136703283163 BTC per hour.
406 2011-03-25 05:39:25 <Sargun_Screen> ;;bc,gen 225000
407 2011-03-25 05:39:26 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 225000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 3.28087879592 BTC per day and 0.136703283163 BTC per hour.
408 2011-03-25 05:40:54 <Blitzboom> ;;bc,gend 77000
409 2011-03-25 05:40:55 <gribble> (bc,gend <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo The expected generation output, at $1 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of $2, is [math calc 50*24*60*60 / (1/((2**224-1)/$2*$1*1000/2**256))] BTC per day and [math calc 50*60*60 / (1/((2**224-1)/$2*$1*1000/2**256))] BTC per hour.".
410 2011-03-25 05:41:04 <Blitzboom> ;;bc,gend 330000 77000
411 2011-03-25 05:41:05 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 330000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 77000, is 4.31069305965 BTC per day and 0.179612210819 BTC per hour.
412 2011-03-25 05:44:40 <JFK911> ;;bc,gen 400000
413 2011-03-25 05:44:41 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 400000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 5.83267341497 BTC per day and 0.243028058957 BTC per hour.
414 2011-03-25 05:44:51 <JFK911> let's see if i'm still lucky.
415 2011-03-25 06:35:19 <justmoon> what the first block generated with the maximum target (i.e. difficulty 1)?
416 2011-03-25 06:35:24 <justmoon> was* the first...
417 2011-03-25 06:37:07 <justmoon> found my own answer: yes
418 2011-03-25 06:40:45 <Blitzboom> justmoon: good job on the website btw. also seems that the video is spreading very well
419 2011-03-25 06:41:09 <Blitzboom> i like the getting started section. very simple
420 2011-03-25 06:41:30 <justmoon> yup it's doing alright, we got subtitles in German, French, Italian (coming soon), Spanish, Catalan, Hebrew and Russian :)
421 2011-03-25 06:42:09 <ArtForz> hmm, I think I found another misfeature
422 2011-03-25 06:42:18 <Blitzboom> hmm, can youtube handle all that?
423 2011-03-25 06:42:38 <justmoon> Blitzboom: you can add as many subtitles as you want - I think
424 2011-03-25 06:42:41 <Blitzboom> ah, i see
425 2011-03-25 06:42:47 <Blitzboom> yeah, very nice
426 2011-03-25 06:43:01 <justmoon> I'm writing the mining guide right now
427 2011-03-25 06:43:05 <ArtForz> following scenario: node receives tx that has a tx as input node hasnt seen yet -> client puts it in maporphantransactions
428 2011-03-25 06:43:12 <Blitzboom> ah, thats why you asked :)
429 2011-03-25 06:43:27 <ArtForz> node receives new block containing exactly that tx the orphan depends on
430 2011-03-25 06:43:33 <justmoon> Blitzboom: yep! :)
431 2011-03-25 06:43:54 <ArtForz> yep, we don't check for that
432 2011-03-25 06:44:02 <Blitzboom> looking forward to it. i think many people are interested (and will be, as we are in a rally)
433 2011-03-25 06:44:05 <justmoon> Blitzboom: it was for this sentence: "Because the target is such an unwieldy number with tons of digits, people generally use a simpler number to express the current target. This number is called the <em>mining difficulty</em>. The mining difficulty expresses how much harder the current block is to generate compared to the first block. So a difficulty of 70000 means to generate the current block you have to do 70000 times more work than Satoshi
434 2011-03-25 06:44:25 <justmoon> I'll have the mining guide reviewed by some people before publishing it
435 2011-03-25 06:44:33 <justmoon> will probably just post it in here
436 2011-03-25 06:44:45 <ArtForz> I somehow dont think thats intended behaviour
437 2011-03-25 06:44:47 <justmoon> I'm sure I'll make plenty of errors to correct :)
438 2011-03-25 06:45:33 <Blitzboom> heh, in this context, a difficulty of 70k seems very small
439 2011-03-25 06:46:29 <ArtForz> disregard what I said, we *do* check maporphan on new block
440 2011-03-25 06:46:33 <justmoon> yeah, researching you find some funny stuff - like people complaining about 1318 difficulty: http://www.bitcoinblogger.com/2010/09/bitcoin-difficulty-continues-to.html