1 2011-03-27 00:22:35 <sipa> jgarzik: haven't checked the forum yet, but a suggestion: store a known string encrypted in the wallet as well, to check whether the password was correct
  2 2011-03-27 00:23:06 <sipa> random string + hash of encrypted version of string or so
  3 2011-03-27 00:24:20 <Kiba> succeed*
  4 2011-03-27 00:34:49 <[Tycho]> "store a known string encrypted in the wallet as well" - to make bruteforcing possible ? :)
  5 2011-03-27 00:35:17 <sipa> bruteforcing is always possible, though slower
  6 2011-03-27 00:36:09 <sipa> but 2^255 1ns attempts or 2^255 1s attempts isn't much of a difference...
  7 2011-03-27 00:36:31 <[Tycho]> Big difference for me :)
  8 2011-03-27 00:37:13 <sipa> make it a repeated hashing of a random string after encrypting, with a stored result
  9 2011-03-27 00:37:37 <sipa> so it's not a single aes-256 attempt you need to verify it's the right key
 10 2011-03-27 00:37:51 <[Tycho]> Ecrypting wallet is good.
 11 2011-03-27 00:37:55 <[Tycho]> *n
 12 2011-03-27 00:38:12 <sipa> yes, but i don't like the fact that you won't know your password was wrong
 13 2011-03-27 00:38:22 <sipa> and all kinds of weird things will happen
 14 2011-03-27 00:38:23 <[Tycho]> Ok.
 15 2011-03-27 00:38:55 <[Tycho]> You are right.
 16 2011-03-27 00:40:46 <[Tycho]> return dream;
 17 2011-03-27 00:43:41 <xelister> throw new nightmare( bubble_burst );
 18 2011-03-27 00:57:24 <EPiSKiNG> so I'm pretty sure that since I'm a best buy rewards zone member, I can buy two video cards, run them for 40 days, then return them for a full refund
 19 2011-03-27 00:58:58 <[Tycho]> :)
 20 2011-03-27 00:59:36 <JFK911> when will the marijuana dealer take returns like that
 21 2011-03-27 00:59:50 <Necr0s> why two cards instead of 20?
 22 2011-03-27 00:59:51 <Avemo> why stop at two, buy two hundred
 23 2011-03-27 00:59:54 <Necr0s> lol
 24 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <Avemo> they might find some employee which can do partiuclarly staggering dirty looks
 25 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <Avemo> yep
 26 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <CIA-96> bitcoin: genjix <fake@lol.u> * r40e4a5cd6908 intersango/deposit.php: Revert "specify funds are manually authorised."
 27 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <CIA-96> bitcoin: genjix <fake@lol.u> * r9d1c1a24ecc8 intersango/www/api/trades.php: added trade data API.
 28 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <CIA-96> bitcoin: genjix <fake@lol.u> * rb609a03f7fc1 intersango/www/api/trades.php: corrected volume to show bought BTC.
 29 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <EPiSKiNG> i guess you're righ
 30 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <EPiSKiNG> i just run 2 miners 1 as a seperate worker for deepbit
 31 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <EPiSKiNG> i think that's probably considered fraud
 32 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <EPiSKiNG> since they advertise the return policy
 33 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <EPiSKiNG> t
 34 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <EPiSKiNG> wonder what the difference is between running 2 5870s in Crossfire vs one in each seperate computer
 35 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <gribble> MagicalTux was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 15 hours, 16 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: <MagicalTux> Joozero: ?
 36 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <Joozero> are you there magicaltux?
 37 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <Joozero> damn it
 38 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <lfm> bitcoind runs in -server by default. you could put it in a startup folder or whatever
 39 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <lfm> dunno about osx. must be some sort of property or something associated with the icon or whatever you use to start it
 40 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <lfm> EPiSKiNG: one machine would be less total power cost
 41 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <lfm> gui bitcoin command? put switch in "properties" command line if you mean mswin
 42 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <lfm> it might work in the bitcoin.config file with the rpcpass- stuff, not sure, I never tried it there
 43 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <lfm> Necr0s: ok bitcoin which os? on mswin 7 i add it to the "target" field
 44 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <lfm> on bitcoin
 45 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <lfm> on bitcoin command line
 46 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <lfm> ;;seen MagicalTux
 47 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <lfm> xelister: yup, thats what -server switch is for
 48 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <lfm> ya two card in one machine but leave the crossfire connector off for bitcoin, as I understand it
 49 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <luke-jr> Necr0s: there are limits
 50 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <Necr0s> And give you dirty looks.
 51 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <Necr0s> "bitcoin" then, rather than bitcoind.  The gui app.
 52 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <Necr0s> How can I have bitcoind always run in server mode via a config file option, so I don't have to use the arg each time?
 53 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <Necr0s> how so?
 54 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <Necr0s> I can modify the package and put a wrapper script around the binary to pass that in I guess.
 55 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <Necr0s> I doubt there would be any difference.
 56 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <Necr0s> I guess I could make a one liner shell script to launch with the arg or something silly.
 57 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <Necr0s> I guess there's no other way to specify operation in 'server mode' huh...
 58 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <Necr0s> oh, been meaning to ask...
 59 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <Necr0s> OS X
 60 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <Necr0s> Put it all on credit and pay nothing.
 61 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <Necr0s> Then repeat.
 62 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <Necr0s> They may find a way to stop you after a while.
 63 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <Necr0s> What law is broken?
 64 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <phantomcircuit> ok so this like mostly works
 65 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <[Tycho]> EPiSKiNG, you don't need to use crossfire. It's better without it.
 66 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <[Tycho]> Yes.
 67 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <xelister> btw
 68 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <xelister> does normal bitcoin client work well with several miners attached??
 69 2011-03-27 01:00:00 <xelister> e.g. I have 3 computes in LAN with o.k. GPU cards enough to help, should all this boxes connect to main box via RPC
 70 2011-03-27 01:01:54 <EPiSKiNG> what is the calculator command?
 71 2011-03-27 01:02:21 <Necr0s> ;;bc,calc foo
 72 2011-03-27 01:02:23 <gribble> Error: 'foo' is not a defined function.
 73 2011-03-27 01:04:56 <Zerbie> Are there any docs for accessing statistics from BCBot?
 74 2011-03-27 01:05:24 <lfm> ;;calc [bc,diff] * 2
 75 2011-03-27 01:05:25 <gribble> 68,978.89245792 * 2 = 137,957.785
 76 2011-03-27 01:06:34 <lfm> ;;calc [bc,blocks] * 50
 77 2011-03-27 01:06:36 <gribble> 115,229 * 50 = 5,761,450
 78 2011-03-27 01:07:05 <lfm> ;;calc [bc,diff] * 2^32
 79 2011-03-27 01:07:06 <gribble> 68,978.89245792 * (2^32) = 2.96262087 * 10^(14)
 80 2011-03-27 01:07:38 <Zerbie> .bc help
 81 2011-03-27 01:07:41 <Zerbie> oops
 82 2011-03-27 01:09:47 <EPiSKiNG> ''bc,calc 330000
 83 2011-03-27 01:10:04 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,calc 330000
 84 2011-03-27 01:10:05 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 330000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 1 week, 3 days, 9 hours, 22 minutes, and 43 seconds
 85 2011-03-27 01:10:07 <Zerbie> !ps
 86 2011-03-27 01:10:32 <EPiSKiNG> this means i get 50 bitcoins each 1 week and 3 days.....
 87 2011-03-27 01:10:35 <EPiSKiNG> ?
 88 2011-03-27 01:10:46 <luke-jr> on average. for now.
 89 2011-03-27 01:10:49 <luke-jr> ;;bc,stats
 90 2011-03-27 01:10:51 <gribble> Current Blocks: 115229 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 1698 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 19 hours, 25 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 75477.59801767
 91 2011-03-27 01:10:59 <lfm> EPiSKiNG: its random, it could be more or less
 92 2011-03-27 01:11:03 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calcd 330000 75477
 93 2011-03-27 01:11:04 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 330000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 75477, is 1 week, 4 days, 8 hours, 52 minutes, and 17 seconds
 94 2011-03-27 01:11:12 <luke-jr> EPiSKiNG: then the next one, 1 week 4 days
 95 2011-03-27 01:11:32 <EPiSKiNG> what would the difficulty be next year?
 96 2011-03-27 01:11:37 <luke-jr> &
 97 2011-03-27 01:11:41 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,calc 990000
 98 2011-03-27 01:11:43 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 990000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 3 days, 11 hours, 7 minutes, and 34 seconds
 99 2011-03-27 01:11:49 <luke-jr> at the current rate, probably like 20000000
100 2011-03-27 01:11:54 <lfm> EPiSKiNG: no one really knows what the future difficulty will be
101 2011-03-27 01:12:27 <luke-jr> but right now it's borderline making video card purchases unprofitable
102 2011-03-27 01:12:28 <EPiSKiNG> dependent upon the rate of solution?
103 2011-03-27 01:12:37 <luke-jr> so chances are, it will break the curve a bit
104 2011-03-27 01:12:45 <lfm> depending on how many people join
105 2011-03-27 01:12:49 <luke-jr> EPiSKiNG: dependent upon how many people start mining basically
106 2011-03-27 01:12:51 <Zerbie> ;;bc,calc 1600000
107 2011-03-27 01:12:52 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1600000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 2 days, 3 hours, 26 minutes, and 3 seconds
108 2011-03-27 01:13:02 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 160000000
109 2011-03-27 01:13:03 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 160000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 30 minutes and 51 seconds
110 2011-03-27 01:14:00 <EPiSKiNG> but isn't the bitcoin value itself supposed to increase in value?  has that happened in the past?
111 2011-03-27 01:14:08 <lfm> ;;bc,poolstats
112 2011-03-27 01:14:09 <gribble> {"ghashes_ps": "140.435", "shares": 49733, "active_workers": 1856, "round_duration": "0:25:21", "score": "145866.8148", "round_started": "2011-03-27 02:48:40", "shares_cdf": "51.37", "getwork_ps": 443}
113 2011-03-27 01:14:19 <EPiSKiNG> so getting them now is like 10000x better than getting them in 10 years?
114 2011-03-27 01:14:20 <luke-jr> EPiSKiNG: that is indeed another factor
115 2011-03-27 01:14:31 <luke-jr> but the value increasing depends on adoption
116 2011-03-27 01:14:39 <luke-jr> if people don't adopt bitcoin, its value will decrease
117 2011-03-27 01:14:40 <lfm> bc,calc 140435000
118 2011-03-27 01:14:48 <lfm> ;;bc,calc 140435000
119 2011-03-27 01:14:49 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 140435000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 35 minutes and 9 seconds
120 2011-03-27 01:15:54 <EPiSKiNG> so i guess we really just don't know then, eh?
121 2011-03-27 01:16:48 <luke-jr> EPiSKiNG: I know I will have higher profits if you don't mine.
122 2011-03-27 01:17:03 <EPiSKiNG> does internet connectivity have anything to do with MH/s?
123 2011-03-27 01:17:46 <luke-jr> generally no
124 2011-03-27 01:17:55 <luke-jr> if your connection is really bad, maybe
125 2011-03-27 01:18:18 <Necr0s> Only if your bitcoind loses contact with the swarm.
126 2011-03-27 01:18:23 <Necr0s> 0 peers connected.
127 2011-03-27 01:18:24 <Zerbie> For pooled work, if there is a delay between hash blocks, it can decrease your overall MH/s.
128 2011-03-27 01:18:26 <luke-jr> like, if you were on the moon, you'd get MH/s still, but you'd always find stale blocks
129 2011-03-27 01:18:44 <Necr0s> no, not always.
130 2011-03-27 01:18:50 <Necr0s> But a tad more liekly.
131 2011-03-27 01:19:08 <luke-jr> Necr0s: pretty much always, I think?
132 2011-03-27 01:19:37 <luke-jr> oh, I mean Mars maybe
133 2011-03-27 01:19:57 <luke-jr> I guess Luna is only 2 sec away
134 2011-03-27 01:20:46 <lfm> necro
135 2011-03-27 01:21:00 <lfm> Necr0s: ya 0 peers connected is bad
136 2011-03-27 01:22:26 <Zerbie> I'm looking for the average transaction size.  nullvoid.org/bitcoin is down, so I'm looking for ways to use BTCBot to get the answer.  Is there a manual for ;;bc?
137 2011-03-27 01:23:05 <lfm> Zerbie: I dont think that stat is normally collected or reported
138 2011-03-27 01:27:07 <robotarmy> 2011 : For A Free Digital Society Registration for talk http://phog.ram9.cc/ (SANFRANCISCO)
139 2011-03-27 01:27:19 <robotarmy> (Richard Stallman will be speaking)
140 2011-03-27 01:27:24 <[Tycho]> Moon is not 2 secs away, i suppose.
141 2011-03-27 01:41:41 <luke-jr> robotarmy: not sure anyone here cares about RMS
142 2011-03-27 01:41:54 <luke-jr> most people seem to be in the open source camp
143 2011-03-27 01:42:11 <robotarmy> does anyone here have opinions about free digital society?
144 2011-03-27 01:44:14 <luke-jr> robotarmy: I'm in the free software camp, but dislike RMS because he's too verbose on unrelated topics he knows nothing about
145 2011-03-27 01:45:11 <robotarmy> I think that the conversations and thinking that come out of having someone like him make a stand on a topic are helpful.
146 2011-03-27 01:50:05 <Necr0s> wtf does "free digital society" mean?
147 2011-03-27 01:50:21 <[Tycho]> What is RMS ?
148 2011-03-27 01:50:51 <BurtyB> some say RMS is human
149 2011-03-27 01:51:30 <BurtyB> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman
150 2011-03-27 01:51:44 <[Tycho]> "Rated Maximum Sinusoidal" or "root mean square"
151 2011-03-27 01:51:57 <[Tycho]> Oh, that one.
152 2011-03-27 01:52:24 <Necr0s> Which of the ones you mentiones is the 0.707 one?
153 2011-03-27 01:52:47 <[Tycho]> The evil linux man...
154 2011-03-27 01:52:58 <luke-jr> s/linux/GNU/
155 2011-03-27 01:53:09 <BurtyB> GNU/Linux *spit*
156 2011-03-27 01:53:22 <luke-jr> oh, a Windoze fanboy here?
157 2011-03-27 01:53:22 <Necr0s> Lightsabers aren't open source.
158 2011-03-27 01:53:33 <luke-jr> Necr0s: actually, they are
159 2011-03-27 01:53:48 <luke-jr> lightsabers are built by the Jedi; to build, you need source
160 2011-03-27 01:53:53 <luke-jr> ergo, lightsabers ARE open source
161 2011-03-27 01:53:55 <Necr0s> lolol
162 2011-03-27 01:54:01 <luke-jr> BurtyB: ok, so just call it GNU
163 2011-03-27 01:54:10 <BurtyB> *shudder* no I call it Linux
164 2011-03-27 01:54:25 <luke-jr> BurtyB: then you're calling it the wrong name
165 2011-03-27 01:54:30 <luke-jr> because it's GNU, not Linux
166 2011-03-27 01:54:32 <luke-jr> Linux is just a kernel
167 2011-03-27 01:55:07 <BurtyB> luke-jr I am aware of this, but I refuse to call it GNU
168 2011-03-27 01:55:22 <luke-jr> BurtyB: then you're a nusance to society
169 2011-03-27 01:56:20 <BurtyB> luke-jr in that case I have been so for well over 15 years
170 2011-03-27 01:56:27 <luke-jr> liar
171 2011-03-27 01:56:27 <mizerydearia> May I get some feedback re witcoin and profit distribution?  http://pastebin.com/Xwdea75x
172 2011-03-27 01:56:38 <BurtyB> luke-jr explain?
173 2011-03-27 01:56:45 <luke-jr> nm, forgot it's 2011
174 2011-03-27 01:56:47 <luke-jr> XD
175 2011-03-27 01:57:39 <[Tycho]> Windows is the OS for future !
176 2011-03-27 01:57:44 <[Tycho]> And the past.
177 2011-03-27 01:57:47 <luke-jr> just past
178 2011-03-27 01:58:49 <BurtyB> Windows is the OS of the reboot
179 2011-03-27 01:58:58 <[Tycho]> Why reboot ?
180 2011-03-27 01:59:14 <mizerydearia> or join #bitcoin-discussion to join the discussion there
181 2011-03-27 01:59:15 <[Tycho]> Windows don't needs rebooting for normal work.
182 2011-03-27 01:59:33 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: what was the chinese oem that makes nzxt hale 90s?
183 2011-03-27 01:59:44 <BurtyB> Those things called updates that keep buggins me until I reboot
184 2011-03-27 03:00:49 <Diablo-D3> oh right super flower
185 2011-03-27 03:12:04 <TinkerToyTech> well.  I would have ordered a 5xxx series card but thought about end of life and the long term use of the card so I went with the bios hackable 6950..  I misread the stream process numbers
186 2011-03-27 03:13:40 <Diablo-D3> 69xx arent bad for bitcoin
187 2011-03-27 03:13:46 <Diablo-D3> I just dont like the sdk 2.3 requirement
188 2011-03-27 03:14:57 <Zerbie> First thing I did when I wanted to upgrade my card is look through those numbers.  Wanted to buy a 5970, but my power supply would not allow it... so I picked up a 5870 instead.  It payed for itself the first month.
189 2011-03-27 03:18:00 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,calc 315000
190 2011-03-27 03:18:00 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 315000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 1 week, 3 days, 21 hours, 15 minutes, and 14 seconds
191 2011-03-27 03:34:12 <theymos> Why was a fee charged on this transaction? http://blockexplorer.com/t/2kPyoU2jj8 The sender says he didn't have -paytxfee set. As far as I can tell, a fee shouldn't have been charged.
192 2011-03-27 03:37:17 <[Tycho]> There may be a bug of malicious piece of code in new bitcoin version or github :)
193 2011-03-27 03:39:10 <theymos> Malicious code?
194 2011-03-27 03:39:35 <lfm> theymos: he set it and he didnt know what he was doing and he forgot about it
195 2011-03-27 03:40:30 <theymos> paytxfee is a setting that's remembered in wallet.dat, so that seems likely.
196 2011-03-27 03:41:10 <lfm> oh so to turn it off you have to do a -paytxfee 0
197 2011-03-27 03:41:58 <theymos> I think so.
198 2011-03-27 03:42:08 <lfm> Ill try it
199 2011-03-27 03:43:28 <jopie911> who wants to trade 1 BTC
200 2011-03-27 03:43:46 <luke-jr> for?
201 2011-03-27 03:43:50 <jopie911> 1 btc
202 2011-03-27 03:43:59 <luke-jr> &
203 2011-03-27 03:44:08 <jopie911> it'll be soi fuckin fun
204 2011-03-27 03:47:17 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,calc 1000000
205 2011-03-27 03:47:19 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 3 days, 10 hours, 17 minutes, and 42 seconds
206 2011-03-27 03:48:09 <EPiSKiNG> I will
207 2011-03-27 03:48:12 <EPiSKiNG> not
208 2011-03-27 03:48:19 <EPiSKiNG> only have .04
209 2011-03-27 03:48:33 <Zerbie> ;;bc,bcm
210 2011-03-27 03:48:36 <gribble> [{"pair": "BMBTC/BMUSD", "ask": "0.0", "bid": "1.6", "time": 1301201095}, {"pair": "BMBTC/BMAUD", "ask": "0.0", "bid": "0.0", "time": 1301201095}, {"pair": "BMBTC/BMGAU", "ask": "0.0231", "bid": "0.019", "time": 1301201095}, {"pair": "BMBTC/LRUSD", "ask": "0.87", "bid": "0.5", "time": 1301201095}, {"pair": "BMBTC/MBUSD", "ask": "0.85", "bid": "0.91", "time": 1301201095}, {"pair": (1 more message)
211 2011-03-27 03:48:41 <luke-jr> EPiSKiNG: just say he has to send first
212 2011-03-27 03:48:43 <luke-jr> :P
213 2011-03-27 03:48:51 <EPiSKiNG> of course
214 2011-03-27 03:49:04 <Zerbie> ;;bc,btcex
215 2011-03-27 03:49:06 <lfm> joepie91: oops sorry meant jopie91
216 2011-03-27 03:49:08 <gribble> '[\n  {\n    "currency": "WMR",\n    "currency_name": "WebMoney RUB",\n    "bid": "21.0000",\n    "ask": "26.0000",\n    "lastTradedPrice": "25.5000",\n    "lastTradedQuantity": "0.01",\n    "last24HrsTradedQuantity": "1.51"\n  },\n  {\n    "currency": "JPY",\n    "currency_name": "Japanese yen",\n    "bid": "1.0000",\n    "ask": "None",\n    "lastTradedPrice": "1.0000",\n (2 more messages)
217 2011-03-27 03:49:54 <lfm> why is there jopie911 and joepie91 both here
218 2011-03-27 03:50:31 <Zerbie> ;;bc,estimate
219 2011-03-27 03:50:33 <gribble> 76761.84089649
220 2011-03-27 03:51:05 <joepie91> it might be me, but I don't see a jopie911?
221 2011-03-27 03:51:50 <gribble> jopie911 was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 7 minutes and 41 seconds ago: <jopie911> it'll be soi fuckin fun
222 2011-03-27 03:51:50 <lfm> ;;seen jopie911
223 2011-03-27 03:52:04 <gribble> 1 week, 3 days, 12 hours, 55 minutes, and 3 seconds
224 2011-03-27 03:52:04 <Zerbie> ;;bc,timetonext
225 2011-03-27 03:53:13 <gribble> https://bitcoin.it/ | Mar 24, 2011 ... Sourced from Wikipedia. Bitcoin is a digital currency created in 2009 by Satoshi Nakamoto. It is also the name of the open source software ...
226 2011-03-27 03:53:13 <Zerbie> ;;bc,wiki
227 2011-03-27 03:53:38 <joepie91> oh lol, that was not me
228 2011-03-27 03:58:42 <TinkerToyTech> Anyone know what kinda k'hshs I can expect with a 6950 runnning stock?   what about running on the 6970 firmware?
229 2011-03-27 03:59:19 <Zerbie> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
230 2011-03-27 03:59:28 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,calc 1330000
231 2011-03-27 03:59:29 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1330000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 2 days, 13 hours, 52 minutes, and 33 seconds
232 2011-03-27 03:59:46 <TinkerToyTech> thank you, I've been looking for that exact link
233 2011-03-27 03:59:56 <Zerbie> np
234 2011-03-27 04:06:36 <EPiSKiNG> what's a good motherboard that supports 4 PCI-E x16
235 2011-03-27 04:06:42 <EPiSKiNG> or is x16 needed for MH/s???
236 2011-03-27 04:06:57 <[Tycho]> Less than x1 is enough
237 2011-03-27 04:07:10 <lfm> I think there is a MSI board that has extra spaceing for cooling double wide cards
238 2011-03-27 04:07:40 <[Tycho]> And usually you can't place more than 2 cards in normal MB without blocking one card's air intake
239 2011-03-27 04:07:44 <EPiSKiNG> amd or intel platform
240 2011-03-27 04:07:53 <[Tycho]> Intel, of course
241 2011-03-27 04:07:59 <EPiSKiNG> good for you
242 2011-03-27 04:08:05 <lfm> nothing of course about it
243 2011-03-27 04:08:12 <[Tycho]> AMD is cheaper, but i don't like it.
244 2011-03-27 04:08:18 <EPiSKiNG> so 4x 5870s on one motherboard possible?
245 2011-03-27 04:08:35 <lfm> eps1: only on linux I think
246 2011-03-27 04:08:39 <[Tycho]> You can use any CPU for that, no difference.
247 2011-03-27 04:08:59 <[Tycho]> Yes, you can use 4x5870 on Windows.
248 2011-03-27 04:09:14 <EPiSKiNG> well if i use 4x gpu for mining, of course it'll be linux
249 2011-03-27 04:09:23 <[Tycho]> 4 GPU is max for Windows
250 2011-03-27 04:09:31 <[Tycho]> Why linux ?
251 2011-03-27 04:10:12 <EPiSKiNG> better performance i would think, although windows 7 never ceases to amaze me
252 2011-03-27 04:10:28 <[Tycho]> No, there will be no difference in speed.
253 2011-03-27 04:10:47 <nanotube> [Tycho]: so... all the more reason not to pay for win :)
254 2011-03-27 04:10:50 <[Tycho]> Linux may even be slower if you use wrong drivers. Well, as Windows too :)
255 2011-03-27 04:10:56 <lfm> oh 4 x 5870 is ok on windows 4 5970 you gotta use linux
256 2011-03-27 04:11:11 <[Tycho]> Yes, because each 5970 is like two GPUs
257 2011-03-27 04:11:57 <[Tycho]> EPiSKiNG, making a rig with four fullsize cards can be more challenging :)
258 2011-03-27 04:12:11 <[Tycho]> You just can't do that in normal ATX case.
259 2011-03-27 04:12:14 <EPiSKiNG> reminds me of the old ati radeon maxx video card
260 2011-03-27 04:12:21 <EPiSKiNG> when it was 2 gpus on one card
261 2011-03-27 04:12:41 <EPiSKiNG> can you do 3x cards in a regular case?
262 2011-03-27 04:12:56 <[Tycho]> Standart ATX is for 7 cards, but each takes 2 slots.
263 2011-03-27 04:13:05 <EPiSKiNG> *ATI Rage Fury Maxx
264 2011-03-27 04:13:20 <[Tycho]> So there is no way for 4 cards in ATX case.
265 2011-03-27 04:14:03 <[Tycho]> You may use PCIe extenders with flexible cable. Some can work.
266 2011-03-27 04:14:10 <[Tycho]> ArtForz uses them.
267 2011-03-27 04:14:21 <EPiSKiNG> what's the biggest rig you've heard of?
268 2011-03-27 04:14:36 <[Tycho]> Biggest ?
269 2011-03-27 04:14:46 <EPiSKiNG> like most MH/s
270 2011-03-27 04:14:52 <[Tycho]> ArtForz, i suppose.
271 2011-03-27 04:15:02 <[Tycho]> He uses 4x5970 in each MB.
272 2011-03-27 04:15:35 <EPiSKiNG> how many mb's?
273 2011-03-27 04:15:56 <[Tycho]> May be ~2.4 GH/s per box
274 2011-03-27 04:16:23 <[Tycho]> He uses slightly more efficient miner software and maximum overclocking.
275 2011-03-27 04:16:30 <lfm> EPiSKiNG: he has just 2 boxes like that afaik but he has someother types of boxes too
276 2011-03-27 04:17:27 <[Tycho]> May be 5
277 2011-03-27 04:18:18 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,calc 4800000
278 2011-03-27 04:18:19 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 4800000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 17 hours, 8 minutes, and 41 seconds
279 2011-03-27 04:18:51 <[Tycho]> EPiSKiNG, trying to calculate his speed ?
280 2011-03-27 04:18:54 <EPiSKiNG> yeah
281 2011-03-27 04:19:03 <[Tycho]> He is mining at ~39 GH/s
282 2011-03-27 04:19:12 <[Tycho]> And more.
283 2011-03-27 04:19:31 <EPiSKiNG> whaaaa?
284 2011-03-27 04:19:45 <EPiSKiNG> he gets free electricity?
285 2011-03-27 04:19:50 <[Tycho]> No. Why ?
286 2011-03-27 04:20:52 <EPiSKiNG> wouldn't that make a difference in the percentage of money he collects
287 2011-03-27 04:21:19 <[Tycho]> Energy is cheap.
288 2011-03-27 04:21:30 <[Tycho]> Unless you are mining with CPU :)
289 2011-03-27 04:22:03 <[Tycho]> And some of his hashing power comes from custom stream processors which are much more energy-efficient.
290 2011-03-27 04:22:12 <EPiSKiNG> where do i get those?
291 2011-03-27 04:22:14 <EPiSKiNG> ;-)
292 2011-03-27 04:22:34 <[Tycho]> Any local semiconductor fab.
293 2011-03-27 04:23:01 <[Tycho]> You just have to design your core, your PCBs and then solder it.
294 2011-03-27 04:23:20 <[Tycho]> Mininal order would be ~50k$
295 2011-03-27 04:23:35 <EPiSKiNG> pocket change
296 2011-03-27 04:23:47 <lfm> this MSI lets you do either 3 cards tripple spaced or 4 cards double spaced http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130274
297 2011-03-27 04:24:06 <[Tycho]> Designing your own chips is fun ! Even if it's just ASIC.
298 2011-03-27 04:26:30 <EPiSKiNG> thx lfm!!
299 2011-03-27 04:28:23 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,calc 1800000
300 2011-03-27 04:28:24 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1800000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 1 day, 21 hours, 43 minutes, and 10 seconds
301 2011-03-27 04:30:06 <EPiSKiNG> so if i got 4x5970
302 2011-03-27 04:30:15 <EPiSKiNG> cost would be about $4000
303 2011-03-27 04:30:45 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,calc 2400000
304 2011-03-27 04:30:46 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 2400000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 1 day, 10 hours, 17 minutes, and 22 seconds
305 2011-03-27 04:30:59 <lfm> EPiSKiNG: double spaced 5970 might not cool right unless you use risers or something
306 2011-03-27 04:31:16 <EPiSKiNG> that means i'd make about $1000 per month>
307 2011-03-27 04:31:43 <lfm> ;;bc,gen 2400000
308 2011-03-27 04:31:44 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 2400000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 34.9960404898 BTC per day and 1.45816835374 BTC per hour.
309 2011-03-27 04:32:33 <lfm> ya I guess almost, if the difficulty doesnt go up too much
310 2011-03-27 04:33:17 <lfm> of course 5970 are high priced now and hard to find
311 2011-03-27 04:33:34 <Validus> google shopping hehe
312 2011-03-27 04:34:10 <lfm> rick it on used ones?
313 2011-03-27 04:34:16 <lfm> risk
314 2011-03-27 04:34:45 <Validus> personal choice i guess, but most users prob oc'd their cards and id definately ask first
315 2011-03-27 04:35:09 <lfm> wont they lie?
316 2011-03-27 04:35:11 <Validus> i havent seen how much a 5970 dropped since the release of the 6990 but before that a new one was 600
317 2011-03-27 04:35:45 <EPiSKiNG> it seems as though difficulty is skyrocketing...?
318 2011-03-27 04:36:01 <lfm> the new ones were up over $900 here
319 2011-03-27 04:36:20 <Validus> a 6990 is only 700 in most and some are 750
320 2011-03-27 04:37:12 <lfm> yup, 750 here too
321 2011-03-27 04:37:29 <Validus> i dont know the diff between 700 and the 750 ones. unles its just a name
322 2011-03-27 04:37:34 <Validus> have to check into that in a little while
323 2011-03-27 04:39:43 <EPiSKiNG> what speed are people getting with 6990's?
324 2011-03-27 04:42:18 <Stellar> ;;gc,calc 40000000
325 2011-03-27 04:42:20 <gribble> Error: "gc,calc" is not a valid command.
326 2011-03-27 04:42:25 <Stellar> ;;bc,calc 40000000
327 2011-03-27 04:42:26 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 40000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 2 hours, 3 minutes, and 26 seconds
328 2011-03-27 04:42:33 <Stellar> ;;bc,gen 40000000
329 2011-03-27 04:42:34 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 40000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 583.267341497 BTC per day and 24.3028058957 BTC per hour.
330 2011-03-27 04:42:45 <Validus> i dont know but it should be similar to a 5970
331 2011-03-27 04:42:50 <Validus> ill tell you in about a week and a half
332 2011-03-27 04:43:08 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,gen 1200000
333 2011-03-27 04:43:09 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1200000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 17.4980202449 BTC per day and 0.729084176871 BTC per hour.