1 2011-03-29 00:02:05 <jasonphd> dirtyfilthy: thanks, but i'm having a difficult time finding a formula on that page that says given x problem and y solution with z difficulty determine if result is valid or not
  2 2011-03-29 00:03:48 <dirtyfilthy> take block header, hash, is hash less than target, if not, increase nonce, rinse, repeat
  3 2011-03-29 00:30:27 <jasonphd> dirtyfilthy: so if the client was given a difficulty of 1 (ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff00000000), then their submitted data should be sha256 hashed and then checked to make sure that hashed value is less than 00000000FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF?   if the hashed submitted value is less than 00000000FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF, then it should be c
  4 2011-03-29 00:31:11 <dirtyfilthy> yep
  5 2011-03-29 00:31:43 <jasonphd> dirtyfilthy: thanks.  and i got the reversing of the 0's and F's correct?
  6 2011-03-29 00:32:26 <dirtyfilthy> i think you don't need to reverse the difficulty in the first place, it's actually the hash that's reversed
  7 2011-03-29 00:32:44 <dirtyfilthy> (treated as small endian)
  8 2011-03-29 00:33:57 <luke-jr> SykeP: then C++ is not a language either
  9 2011-03-29 00:36:29 <dirtyfilthy> C++ is an abomination
 10 2011-03-29 00:36:37 <luke-jr> dirtyfilthy: that is beside the point
 11 2011-03-29 00:38:19 <jasonphd> luke-jr: so it is ok to do it the way i have it?
 12 2011-03-29 00:38:32 <luke-jr> jasonphd: &
 13 2011-03-29 00:38:57 <jasonphd> sorry, wrong thread
 14 2011-03-29 00:43:19 <SykeP> QT is an application framework that adds some language extensions essentially through macros.
 15 2011-03-29 00:44:04 <jasonphd> dirtyfilthy: it seems like i'm still over simplifying it... is there a wiki page that gives more detail? it seems like if you only need to submit a result that hashes to less than a static value, then you could cache accepted values on the client side, wait for the next round/block on the pool server and submit all of your old answers all over again quickly getting "credits" for doing 0 work during that round.... i think i'm pret
 16 2011-03-29 00:44:08 <luke-jr> SykeP: same for C++
 17 2011-03-29 00:44:51 <dirtyfilthy> the solution has to be for the right block
 18 2011-03-29 00:44:59 <dirtyfilthy> block header i mean
 19 2011-03-29 00:45:13 <dirtyfilthy> the pool won't just accept any only solution to any old block header
 20 2011-03-29 00:45:26 <jgarzik> jasonphd: the next block implies a new previous-hash field, which implies hashing a new block header
 21 2011-03-29 00:45:45 <jgarzik> jasonphd: hence "block chain", where each block depends on the previous block's hash, which is not known ahead of time
 22 2011-03-29 00:47:48 <SykeP> luke-jr, not even close. C++ is drastically different than C.
 23 2011-03-29 00:47:54 <jasonphd> jgarzik: your "checkwork" function appears to take the submitted data, hash it, and then compare it to "TARGET" (a static variable that never changes between rounds), am i following that correctly?
 24 2011-03-29 00:48:01 <luke-jr> SykeP: no moreso than Qt is to C++
 25 2011-03-29 00:50:35 <SykeP> QT is compiled by a C++ compiler.
 26 2011-03-29 00:50:58 <luke-jr> after pre-processing by MOC
 27 2011-03-29 00:51:09 <luke-jr> just like C++ was originally pre-processed and compiled by a C compiler
 28 2011-03-29 00:53:25 <SykeP> just because I throw a few macros into my application doesn't mean I've created a new language.
 29 2011-03-29 00:54:35 <luke-jr> SykeP: I didn't say it does.
 30 2011-03-29 00:54:54 <luke-jr> but when you write a custom pre-processor, and replace the entire standard library, you have.
 31 2011-03-29 00:55:01 <SykeP> and because c is such a low language, anything can basically be preprocessed into be compiled by it
 32 2011-03-29 00:56:06 <jgarzik> jasonphd: correct
 33 2011-03-29 01:19:14 <jgarzik> jasonphd: 'data' is a binary data structure, CBlock (main.h) in the source code as previously noted.  It is not just one data field.
 34 2011-03-29 01:20:56 <jgarzik> gitorious is so useless
 35 2011-03-29 01:21:06 <jgarzik> "srepmub pushed 1 commit to shedskin/mainline:master
 36 2011-03-29 01:21:11 <[Tycho]> Hello.
 37 2011-03-29 01:21:22 <jgarzik> how about the one-line summary attached to the git commit?
 38 2011-03-29 01:22:56 <tcatm> click on "1 commit"
 39 2011-03-29 01:25:45 <EPiSKiNG> how do i mine for my own block vs going for a pool?
 40 2011-03-29 01:25:48 <luke-jr> lol
 41 2011-03-29 01:27:08 <jasonphd> EPiSKiNG: open the Bitcoin gui, click Settings, Generate Coins.... wait a year.
 42 2011-03-29 01:27:11 <EPiSKiNG> sorry... that was a terrible question to ask in a chat
 43 2011-03-29 01:27:20 <EPiSKiNG> jasonphd: nice
 44 2011-03-29 01:27:41 <[Tycho]> EPiSKiNG, how many GH/s do you have ?
 45 2011-03-29 01:27:52 <EPiSKiNG> why do you want to know?
 46 2011-03-29 01:28:07 <EPiSKiNG> ;-)
 47 2011-03-29 01:28:17 <doublec> or run one of the GPU mining clients and point it to your local bitcoin instance instead of apool
 48 2011-03-29 01:28:17 <EPiSKiNG> 1.0
 49 2011-03-29 01:29:00 <EPiSKiNG> doublec: create user in solo utilites, then set to solo server?
 50 2011-03-29 01:29:36 <doublec> EPiSKiNG: I don't know what 'solo' means in that context
 51 2011-03-29 01:30:00 <validus> sounds like the poclbm gui
 52 2011-03-29 01:30:08 <doublec> EPiSKiNG: you can mine locally by running bitcoin with '-server' (or run bitcoind) and run one of the standalone miners (like poclbm)
 53 2011-03-29 01:30:13 <doublec> ah ok
 54 2011-03-29 01:30:19 <validus> i think it sets itself up to make a conf file and start bitcoin with the -server option
 55 2011-03-29 01:30:28 <doublec> ok, I've not used it
 56 2011-03-29 01:30:33 <validus> i've never ran that part but i remember seeing it in there
 57 2011-03-29 01:30:40 <yebyen> EPiSKiNG: how does 1.0gh work for you?
 58 2011-03-29 01:30:45 <yebyen> are you producing coins
 59 2011-03-29 01:31:13 <yebyen> i have a test network that has a total of 1MH if i turn all of the computers on at once :)
 60 2011-03-29 01:32:04 <EPiSKiNG> i did .5 btc in about an hour or os
 61 2011-03-29 01:32:05 <EPiSKiNG> so
 62 2011-03-29 01:32:14 <yebyen> it generates coins with addresses that start with "2G"
 63 2011-03-29 01:32:28 <yebyen> how do you get .5BTC? i thought they came as 50 :x
 64 2011-03-29 01:32:31 <yebyen> are you on a farm?
 65 2011-03-29 01:32:36 <yebyen> i haven't been reading the news at all
 66 2011-03-29 01:32:58 <yebyen> clearly
 67 2011-03-29 01:34:06 <EPiSKiNG> pool
 68 2011-03-29 01:34:11 <yebyen> ah
 69 2011-03-29 01:34:38 <yebyen> my client is 0.3.11 era
 70 2011-03-29 01:35:12 <lfm> time to upgrade\n370949
 71 2011-03-29 01:35:59 <kupo> lfm: can you explain the new transactin fees?
 72 2011-03-29 01:36:32 <yebyen> as it stands, I don't have a FreeBSD version... I think I did though
 73 2011-03-29 01:36:55 <jgarzik> I <heart> Puppet
 74 2011-03-29 01:37:08 <Keefe> what am i doing wrong here?:
 75 2011-03-29 01:37:09 <Keefe> bitcoin/bitcoind listreceivedbyaddress includeempty=true
 76 2011-03-29 01:37:26 <Keefe> ignore the "bitcoin/" part
 77 2011-03-29 01:37:28 <jgarzik> Keefe: remove "includeempty="
 78 2011-03-29 01:37:48 <jgarzik> Keefe: bitcoin's JSON command arguments are not key=value, but a list of parameters.
 79 2011-03-29 01:38:02 <jgarzik> Keefe: the 'includeempty=' part is implicit in its position in the parameter list
 80 2011-03-29 01:38:09 <Keefe> i see now
 81 2011-03-29 01:38:24 <Keefe> so if i want to specify includeempty i have to also specify minconf
 82 2011-03-29 01:38:30 <Keefe> no big deal
 83 2011-03-29 01:38:36 <Keefe> thx
 84 2011-03-29 02:09:53 <luke-jr> yebyen: can I buy some of your bitcoin dirt cheap? XD
 85 2011-03-29 02:31:12 <mizerydearia> <sgornick> BTW, I think bitcoin's mascot has been found: http://ircquotes.witcoin.com/p/718/#r-1150
 86 2011-03-29 02:35:46 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
 87 2011-03-29 02:35:48 <gribble> Current Blocks: 115549 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 1378 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 18 hours, 54 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 75218.51100719
 88 2011-03-29 02:36:04 <JFK911> haha difficulty estimate
 89 2011-03-29 02:36:11 <JFK911> haven't we just been there
 90 2011-03-29 02:50:02 <da2ce7> I need to send a video to a friend... and yousendit sucks..
 91 2011-03-29 02:50:31 <da2ce7> any one have a ftp server I can borrow for 500MB
 92 2011-03-29 02:51:19 <mizerydearia> da2ce7, megaupload.com ?
 93 2011-03-29 02:51:34 <mizerydearia> also check out the providers listed as results at filestube.com
 94 2011-03-29 02:53:39 <da2ce7> *me will use my skydrive!
 95 2011-03-29 02:54:34 <da2ce7> Gets 2gb freeeeee
 96 2011-03-29 02:56:44 <da2ce7> :( limited to 50mb chunks
 97 2011-03-29 02:57:55 <doublec> da2ce7: maybe sendoid.com will work
 98 2011-03-29 02:58:40 <da2ce7> :P
 99 2011-03-29 02:58:41 <Necr0s> sendx0r.com
100 2011-03-29 02:58:54 <Necr0s> (not rly)
101 2011-03-29 03:04:52 <da2ce7> we need a bitcoin yousendit clone.
102 2011-03-29 03:04:54 <da2ce7> :O
103 2011-03-29 03:05:12 <da2ce7> that would be super userfull.
104 2011-03-29 03:05:13 <da2ce7> *usefull
105 2011-03-29 03:46:31 <jgarzik> man, the compiler really spews when you use -Wall on the bitcoin source code
106 2011-03-29 03:49:42 <roconnor> if I connect to a (test) client and send verack followed by addr, should I expect to get a response?
107 2011-03-29 03:50:59 <roconnor> I mean verack followed by getaddr
108 2011-03-29 03:51:08 <tcatm> iirc yes
109 2011-03-29 03:51:16 <roconnor> hmm
110 2011-03-29 03:52:17 <tcatm> I'll try it.
111 2011-03-29 03:52:46 <gjs278> my 5870 on diablo miner linux is going ridiculously slow... like 270 instead of poclbm's 350
112 2011-03-29 03:53:48 <SykeP> you need the right driver version, right sdk version, and -f 1 parameter for full speed
113 2011-03-29 03:53:59 <gjs278> I'm on sdk 2.2
114 2011-03-29 03:54:15 <gjs278> 11.2 for the ati driver
115 2011-03-29 03:54:16 <tcatm> roconnor: yep, works
116 2011-03-29 03:54:29 <SykeP> ew driver
117 2011-03-29 03:54:43 <gjs278> what should I shoot for
118 2011-03-29 03:56:04 <SykeP> I can't remember, should be 10.11 or 10.12
119 2011-03-29 03:56:12 <gjs278> thanks I'll try it out
120 2011-03-29 03:56:22 <roconnor> tcatm: thanks.  I must be doing something wrong.
121 2011-03-29 03:56:30 <SykeP> along with sdk 2.1
122 2011-03-29 03:56:34 <gjs278> just got 2.1
123 2011-03-29 03:56:49 <gjs278> grabbing 10.11 now
124 2011-03-29 03:56:50 <SykeP> 350 mhps sounds fast, how overclocked?
125 2011-03-29 03:56:56 <gjs278> 925
126 2011-03-29 03:57:11 <gjs278> 950 can get 360 but it crashes on me quite a bit
127 2011-03-29 03:59:05 <gjs278> 10.11 failed to compile but 10.12 did it
128 2011-03-29 03:59:09 <gjs278> restarting X, brb
129 2011-03-29 04:01:57 <gjs278> hmm
130 2011-03-29 04:02:05 <gjs278> I saw one 316 and then it went down to 280
131 2011-03-29 04:02:58 <SykeP> give diablo 15 minutes to smooth out
132 2011-03-29 04:03:33 <gjs278> alright
133 2011-03-29 04:03:41 <gjs278> worksize? I went with 64 for now
134 2011-03-29 04:04:40 <SykeP> 64 is pretty much perfect
135 2011-03-29 04:04:46 <roconnor> tcatm: can I ask which IP address / port you used?
136 2011-03-29 04:05:32 <tcatm> 173.255.224.227:8333 works, too
137 2011-03-29 04:06:01 <roconnor> oh, that isn't on the test network
138 2011-03-29 04:06:43 <roconnor> anyhow, localhost is fine
139 2011-03-29 04:06:52 <roconnor> I'll just run bitcoind -testnet
140 2011-03-29 04:07:06 <tcatm> are you writing a client?
141 2011-03-29 04:07:53 <roconnor> arguably
142 2011-03-29 04:08:08 <roconnor> mostly I wanted to investigate in detail how bitcoin functions
143 2011-03-29 04:08:44 <roconnor> the best way is to write some sort of client
144 2011-03-29 04:09:20 <tcatm> yep
145 2011-03-29 04:10:13 <tcatm> a good start is to connect to one node ask for the blockchain and then listen for transactions and verify their inputs
146 2011-03-29 04:10:38 <roconnor> ya, I wasn't sure waht to say my initial hash is since I don't know any
147 2011-03-29 04:10:48 <roconnor> I thought getaddr would be simpler :)
148 2011-03-29 04:11:46 <tcatm> initial hash for getblocks?
149 2011-03-29 04:11:56 <roconnor> ya
150 2011-03-29 04:12:00 <roconnor> I think
151 2011-03-29 04:12:00 <tcatm> http://blockexplorer.com/block/000000000019d6689c085ae165831e934ff763ae46a2a6c172b3f1b60a8ce26f
152 2011-03-29 04:12:17 <tcatm> or for testnet: http://blockexplorer.com/testnet/block/00000007199508e34a9ff81e6ec0c477a4cccff2a4767a8eee39c11db367b008
153 2011-03-29 04:12:33 <roconnor> this is the so called genesis block?
154 2011-03-29 04:12:34 <lfm> hash of genisis bloxk?
155 2011-03-29 04:12:41 <tcatm> yep
156 2011-03-29 04:12:42 <roconnor> it should be hard coded in the client I suppose
157 2011-03-29 04:12:50 <lfm> ya
158 2011-03-29 04:12:59 <lfm> or in a config file
159 2011-03-29 04:13:05 <roconnor> right
160 2011-03-29 04:13:09 <phantomcircuit> it is hard coded iirc
161 2011-03-29 04:13:13 <phantomcircuit> at least it is in mine
162 2011-03-29 04:13:15 <roconnor> I guess I can try that
163 2011-03-29 04:13:25 <roconnor> though getaddr ought to work
164 2011-03-29 04:13:33 <lfm> testnet changes periodiclly so a config file would make sense
165 2011-03-29 04:13:41 <phantomcircuit> roconnor, http://github.com/phantomcircuit/bitcoin-alt
166 2011-03-29 04:13:46 <phantomcircuit> checkout the sqlalchemy branch
167 2011-03-29 04:13:51 <phantomcircuit> (it mostly works)
168 2011-03-29 04:14:03 <tcatm> try getblocks([0x000000000019d6689c085ae165831e934ff763ae46a2a6c172b3f1b60a8ce26f], hashstop=0)
169 2011-03-29 04:14:09 <roconnor> phantomcircuit: python implementation?
170 2011-03-29 04:14:12 <tcatm> it should return lots of invs
171 2011-03-29 04:14:21 <roconnor> okay
172 2011-03-29 04:14:32 <roconnor> I need a few minutes to code up that command
173 2011-03-29 04:14:33 <roconnor> :)
174 2011-03-29 04:14:42 <tcatm> which language?
175 2011-03-29 04:14:46 <roconnor> haskell
176 2011-03-29 04:14:57 <grbgout> oooh, fun :D
177 2011-03-29 04:14:57 <phantomcircuit> lol
178 2011-03-29 04:15:03 <grbgout> haskell is on my to-learn list.
179 2011-03-29 04:15:08 <tcatm> cool
180 2011-03-29 04:15:09 <roconnor> :D
181 2011-03-29 04:15:30 <grbgout> roconnor: how portable is the code across OSs?
182 2011-03-29 04:15:49 <roconnor> grbgout: should be very portable
183 2011-03-29 04:15:53 <grbgout> cool
184 2011-03-29 04:16:03 <roconnor> well, unless you try not to be
185 2011-03-29 04:16:07 <grbgout> :)
186 2011-03-29 04:16:37 <roconnor> all my serialization is done explicitly so it doesn't depend on the native endieness
187 2011-03-29 04:17:01 <roconnor> (btw, the all the little endieness is slightly annoying :D )
188 2011-03-29 04:18:03 <tcatm> once you've written a complete lowlevel lib you won't have to care about it anymore :)
189 2011-03-29 04:18:07 <lfm> roconnor: ya, its much worse in the bitcoin sources such that bigendian hosts are almost ruled out
190 2011-03-29 04:18:35 <grbgout> hmm, I have an onboard gpu as well as a gpu plugged into PCIe, should I be able to access the onboard GPU for number crunching?  I see the sound devices for it available, but I've never tried to do so before, so I dunno....
191 2011-03-29 04:19:17 <lfm> grbgout: what model is it?
192 2011-03-29 04:19:25 <grondilu> rates are published JSON style on http://bitcoincharts.com/t/markets.json.  How could I parse that without using javascript?
193 2011-03-29 04:19:39 <grbgout> What model gpu?  It's a clunky HD4200, only 40 SP :(
194 2011-03-29 04:19:59 <forrestv> grondilu, with any json parsing lib ...
195 2011-03-29 04:20:37 <grbgout> lfm: oh, really? oh well. won't bother then, but if I did have an onboard CL capable GPU, should I be able to access it whilst a PCIe gpu is plugged in?
196 2011-03-29 04:20:46 <grondilu> yeah I know but I need to do that on my webserver and I can't install whatever I want  :(
197 2011-03-29 04:21:08 <lfm> grbgout: if it suppoerted opencl then I think so
198 2011-03-29 04:21:15 <tcatm> grondilu: webserver = php only?
199 2011-03-29 04:21:20 <grbgout> k
200 2011-03-29 04:22:09 <grondilu> ah nevermind I guess I have to find out what language I could use on my webserver.  So far I was doing only bash CGI.
201 2011-03-29 04:22:37 <grbgout> grondilu: syscalls and sockets, then? :)
202 2011-03-29 04:22:56 <tcatm> grondilu: https://github.com/micha/jsawk/blob/master/jsawk
203 2011-03-29 04:23:01 <grbgout> grondilu: as I understand it, the rpc relies on an http spec, or something.
204 2011-03-29 04:23:30 <grbgout> so, presumably, you can connect with telnet and retreive information.  With that in mind, you should be able to mock something up in bash if you /really/ wanted/had to.
205 2011-03-29 04:23:48 <lfm> grondilu: cgi can be any language really
206 2011-03-29 04:24:02 <grondilu> oh there is a json module in the python installation on my web server
207 2011-03-29 04:24:16 <grbgout> grondilu: how convenient!
208 2011-03-29 04:24:21 <grondilu> I guess I could use that :)
209 2011-03-29 04:24:28 <grbgout> I take it you don't have physical access to your web server.
210 2011-03-29 04:24:53 <grbgout> s/physical access/administrative privilages/ (so)
211 2011-03-29 04:24:55 <grbgout> *sp
212 2011-03-29 04:24:56 <grbgout> >_<
213 2011-03-29 04:25:09 <tcatm> grondilu: should work great. the same json libs generates markets.json :)
214 2011-03-29 04:34:51 <roconnor> tcatm: still no response.  I must be not be using my network library properly or something
215 2011-03-29 04:40:41 <Necr0s> Sniff and see what's hitting the wire, if anything.
216 2011-03-29 04:41:18 <roconnor> I ran netcat to listen port 18333 and my commands are getting to it.
217 2011-03-29 04:41:22 <roconnor> strange
218 2011-03-29 04:41:35 <roconnor> I'm sure it will be something silly once I figure it out
219 2011-03-29 04:41:40 <Necr0s> tcpdump
220 2011-03-29 04:41:58 <Necr0s> It almost always is something silly.
221 2011-03-29 04:42:55 <Necr0s> Watch the server expect
222 2011-03-29 04:43:10 <roconnor> AFAIK this protocol is purely binary
223 2011-03-29 04:43:54 <jgarzik> roconnor: mostly
224 2011-03-29 04:44:27 <phantomcircuit> ironically the only thing that's not are the commands themselves
225 2011-03-29 04:44:29 <phantomcircuit> lets see
226 2011-03-29 04:44:35 <phantomcircuit> there's fixed length strings
227 2011-03-29 04:44:40 <phantomcircuit> strings with length
228 2011-03-29 04:44:48 <phantomcircuit> and null terminated strings
229 2011-03-29 04:44:52 <phantomcircuit> all in the same protocol
230 2011-03-29 04:44:53 <phantomcircuit> >.>
231 2011-03-29 04:45:03 <Necr0s> lolz
232 2011-03-29 04:45:05 <grbgout> good times :)
233 2011-03-29 04:45:26 <roconnor> phantomcircuit: I find it hard to believe, but I wish it was xml :D
234 2011-03-29 04:45:39 <phantomcircuit> roconnor, no you dont
235 2011-03-29 04:45:45 <phantomcircuit> well
236 2011-03-29 04:45:45 <roconnor> oh maybe :D
237 2011-03-29 04:45:46 <phantomcircuit> yes you do
238 2011-03-29 04:45:54 <grbgout> all that bloat?
239 2011-03-29 04:45:54 <phantomcircuit> it's not *that* hard
240 2011-03-29 04:45:55 <grbgout> :(
241 2011-03-29 04:45:57 <phantomcircuit> but yes it's dumb
242 2011-03-29 04:46:23 <Necr0s> gzipped xml
243 2011-03-29 04:46:54 <phantomcircuit> Necr0s, rofl no
244 2011-03-29 05:00:24 <roconnor> oh, am I supposed to send my version number?
245 2011-03-29 05:05:46 <phantomcircuit> roconnor, yes
246 2011-03-29 05:05:53 <roconnor> ah
247 2011-03-29 05:10:50 <roconnor> phantomcircuit, tcatm: okay, now I'm getting a response
248 2011-03-29 05:11:00 <roconnor> thanks for all your help
249 2011-03-29 05:11:06 <phantomcircuit> lol you're not even close
250 2011-03-29 05:11:17 <phantomcircuit> :P
251 2011-03-29 05:11:40 <roconnor> not close to what?
252 2011-03-29 05:12:55 <phantomcircuit> roconnor, getting anything useful
253 2011-03-29 05:13:14 <roconnor> getaddr sends me an addr chuck
254 2011-03-29 05:13:22 <phantomcircuit> yup
255 2011-03-29 05:13:27 <phantomcircuit> now try getblocks
256 2011-03-29 05:13:29 <roconnor> getblocks sends me a inv chunck
257 2011-03-29 05:13:48 <phantomcircuit> oh neat
258 2011-03-29 05:13:50 <phantomcircuit> so you did
259 2011-03-29 05:14:03 <roconnor> but I haven't writen decoded those yet
260 2011-03-29 05:14:12 <roconnor> *written code to
261 2011-03-29 05:14:15 <roconnor> bah
262 2011-03-29 05:14:17 <roconnor> you know what I mean
263 2011-03-29 05:14:30 <roconnor> but it is midnight here
264 2011-03-29 05:15:28 <roconnor> I feel accomplished for today
265 2011-03-29 05:16:50 <mizerydearia> What's an interesting way to refer to bitcoin as "old-fashioned money" in a kind of way that it is a new technology, but old-fashioned in that payment for things can be handled using money instead of using time or giving up rights to data, etc?
266 2011-03-29 05:17:09 <mizerydearia> What's an interesting way to refer to bitcoin as "old-fashioned money" in a kind of way that it is a new technology, but old-fashioned in that payment for things can be handled using money instead of using time or giving up rights to data, etc?
267 2011-03-29 05:17:51 <mizerydearia> oops
268 2011-03-29 05:17:52 <mizerydearia> Maybe "technologically new old-fashioned money?"
269 2011-03-29 05:25:44 <nameless> |goodnight developers of bitcoin
270 2011-03-29 05:30:08 <sipa> goodmorning developers of bitcoin
271 2011-03-29 05:30:46 <da2ce7> goooodmoring sipa!
272 2011-03-29 05:39:54 <xelister> CRAZY AND FANCY THINGS that may hang your ATI BINARY DRIVER desktop - but it is excused and explained since we are doing so reckless and complex things to cause it.
273 2011-03-29 05:39:58 <xelister> MOVING MOUSE CURSOR
274 2011-03-29 05:40:09 <xelister> part #2 ..:new:..
275 2011-03-29 05:40:19 <xelister> Executing:    tail /dev/zero
276 2011-03-29 05:40:56 <da2ce7> lol xelister so true!
277 2011-03-29 05:41:21 <da2ce7> the ATI drivers suck ass
278 2011-03-29 05:41:39 <xelister> =)
279 2011-03-29 05:41:49 <xelister> what is up with   tail /dev/zero  hangs your box as well?
280 2011-03-29 05:41:57 <[Tycho]> Oh, more linux problems :)
281 2011-03-29 05:42:06 <Stellar> wow
282 2011-03-29 05:42:12 <Stellar> do you oc your card?
283 2011-03-29 05:42:44 <xelister> [Tycho]: its rather Ati problem imo
284 2011-03-29 05:52:31 <xelister> so... tail /dev/zero     hangs your boxes or not?
285 2011-03-29 06:06:38 <BurtyB> define hang? it should work happily although you'll get no output from tail
286 2011-03-29 06:07:43 <lfm> ya just goes cpu bound, ctrl-c aborts it no prob
287 2011-03-29 06:09:33 <lfm> gobbles up memory too for some reason
288 2011-03-29 06:10:10 <lfm> tail: memory exhausted
289 2011-03-29 06:10:52 <lfm> prolly starts paging and gets so slow you think the system is hung
290 2011-03-29 06:11:50 <xelister> BurtyB: responded to RqSys, other then that video was frozen,  keyboard responded to locks
291 2011-03-29 06:12:31 <xelister> so exactly the way the radeon binary hangs
292 2011-03-29 06:12:36 <lfm> try it with ulimit -v 4000000
293 2011-03-29 06:13:10 <lfm> tail /dev/zero is a silly thing to do anyway, makes no sense
294 2011-03-29 06:14:57 <phantomcircuit> lfm, tail can read from /dev/zero much faster than it can display
295 2011-03-29 06:15:02 <phantomcircuit> so it buffers
296 2011-03-29 06:15:41 <lfm> it shouldnt display anything till it finds the eof and since /dev/zero never does eof ...
297 2011-03-29 06:16:37 <lfm> it may be buffering huge amount looking for line seperators
298 2011-03-29 06:16:59 <lfm> since tail is intended for text files and /dev/zero is not text
299 2011-03-29 06:17:19 <phantomcircuit> lfm, uh tail displays before eof by design
300 2011-03-29 06:17:50 <lfm> phantomcircuit: ya but it doesnt start displayt till it knows where eof is
301 2011-03-29 06:18:21 <phantomcircuit> lfm, you sure about that?
302 2011-03-29 06:18:45 <lfm> how you think it figures out what the LAST 10 lines are??????
303 2011-03-29 06:18:47 <phantomcircuit> hmm it doesn't
304 2011-03-29 06:19:06 <phantomcircuit> lfm, lol right
305 2011-03-29 06:19:09 <phantomcircuit> im stupid
306 2011-03-29 06:19:11 <lfm> well it doesnt for /dev/zero
307 2011-03-29 06:19:13 <phantomcircuit> i was thinking about head
308 2011-03-29 06:21:41 <lfm> kk, so Id say tail is working correctly fro a stupid command. It is trying very hard to show you the last 10 lines of /dev/zero and it will keep trying till you abort it
309 2011-03-29 06:23:26 <lfm> or it hits some limit like memory size or cpu time
310 2011-03-29 06:27:46 <lfm> xelister: if the radeon binary is hanging the same way it may be a similar problem of runaway memory allocations
311 2011-03-29 06:28:16 <xelister> lfm: the system itself continue to work
312 2011-03-29 06:28:23 <lfm> ya
313 2011-03-29 11:13:24 <sipa> ;;bc,calc 400
314 2011-03-29 11:13:26 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 400 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 23 years, 25 weeks, 2 days, 9 hours, 33 minutes, and 38 seconds
315 2011-03-29 11:14:13 <ForceDestroyer> ;;bc,calc 80000
316 2011-03-29 11:14:13 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 80000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 6 weeks, 0 days, 20 hours, 41 minutes, and 16 seconds
317 2011-03-29 11:15:43 <ForceDestroyer> ;;bc,calc 10000000
318 2011-03-29 11:15:44 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 10000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 8 hours, 13 minutes, and 46 seconds
319 2011-03-29 11:18:06 <ForceDestroyer> I'm still wondering about the scalability if BitCoin. Someone said something about node memory requirement being linear in the amount of blocks; how does the amount of blocks scale?
320 2011-03-29 11:19:02 <da2ce7> blocks are hard to make.
321 2011-03-29 11:19:24 <da2ce7> so it will take a huge ammount of effort to make many many more blocks.
322 2011-03-29 11:19:36 <JayBraver> I tried to offer the services of several of the companies I work with on the trade page, but my changes got reverted. Says 'No Bitcoin Instructions'. Anybody?
323 2011-03-29 11:19:45 <JayBraver> 07:37, 24 March 2011 Sirius (Talk | contribs) (18,866 bytes) (Reverted JayBraver's edits - no bitcoin instructions) (undo)
324 2011-03-29 11:20:17 <luke-jr> JayBraver: your website should clearly state you accept Bitcoin, as well as pricing and checkout instructions
325 2011-03-29 11:20:30 <da2ce7> JayBraver, you need to explain that you accept bitcoin's on your website to be on the tade site.
326 2011-03-29 11:20:43 <da2ce7> *page
327 2011-03-29 11:21:21 <JayBraver> the others listed there I looked at do not
328 2011-03-29 11:22:00 <ForceDestroyer> By hard, I assume use use the information theory definition, meaning "exponential in ..."?
329 2011-03-29 11:22:47 <JayBraver> Ok, I see that several of them do. Will re-jigger.
330 2011-03-29 11:24:23 <JayBraver> What do I need to do? Just put the 'accepting bitcoin' icon on the sites?
331 2011-03-29 11:24:45 <BlueMatt> and instructions for how to pay with btc
332 2011-03-29 11:24:51 <BlueMatt> if it's not obvious
333 2011-03-29 11:27:44 <TD> ForceDestroyer: see the scalability article on the wiki
334 2011-03-29 11:27:48 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Scalability | Mar 5, 2011 ... [edit] Scalability targets. VISA handles on average around 2000 transactions/sec , so call it a daily peak rate of 4000/sec. ...
335 2011-03-29 11:27:48 <TD> ;;bc,wiki scalability
336 2011-03-29 11:27:53 <JayBraver> It'd be nice if it mentioned on the page how we're expected to do this rather than just delete willing businesses
337 2011-03-29 11:28:42 <JayBraver> I'm going to stop trying if it gets deleted again
338 2011-03-29 11:29:52 <grbgout> A how to guide for businesses wanting to adopt bitcoins would probably be better, then provide a link to that guide on the page you're talking about (I'm guessing the Trade wiki page).
339 2011-03-29 11:30:16 <BlueMatt> jaynbraver the thing is it looks like someone just posted for free advertising if you don't at least have a we accept bitcoins icon
340 2011-03-29 11:31:34 <JayBraver> I can add the icon and the link, It's the payment instructions I don't know. Do you think linking back here would be enough? They have to contact us before they pay in any case.
341 2011-03-29 11:31:54 <BlueMatt> or just link to an email
342 2011-03-29 11:32:02 <BlueMatt> or a page which says email us
343 2011-03-29 11:32:31 <JayBraver> can do. Thanks.
344 2011-03-29 11:33:18 <luke-jr> JayBraver: it doesn't need to be more prominent than fiat currencies (though that's probably encouraged)
345 2011-03-29 11:34:00 <JayBraver> fiat currencies?
346 2011-03-29 11:34:15 <BlueMatt> normal ones
347 2011-03-29 11:34:24 <BlueMatt> ie usd eur etc
348 2011-03-29 11:35:42 <JayBraver> do you know where that small 'accepting bitcoins' logo is? I'm not finding it.
349 2011-03-29 11:38:23 <luke-jr> you can wget it from me http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/image/BC_Rnd_48px.png
350 2011-03-29 11:38:47 <JayBraver> thx
351 2011-03-29 11:53:53 <ersi> How much bandwidth does it pull to run bitcoind constantly?
352 2011-03-29 11:54:10 <BlueMatt> almost nothing
353 2011-03-29 11:54:24 <BlueMatt> but it adds up
354 2011-03-29 11:54:36 <ersi> almost nothing, meaning? :)
355 2011-03-29 11:55:17 <BlueMatt> maybe 1-200m over a month
356 2011-03-29 11:55:27 <BlueMatt> if that
357 2011-03-29 11:55:34 <EvanR-work> millibits?
358 2011-03-29 11:56:12 <lfm> yes even, we divide bytes into 1000 pieces
359 2011-03-29 11:56:59 <ersi> well, then there'll be another node up and running in a while then
360 2011-03-29 11:57:29 <ersi> running bitcoind/a node = forward/fiddle with transactions != mining, right?
361 2011-03-29 11:57:55 <BlueMatt> yes
362 2011-03-29 11:58:10 <BlueMatt> unless you set -gen=1
363 2011-03-29 11:58:21 <EvanR-work> lfm: not very tonal
364 2011-03-29 11:58:23 <ersi> Yeah, heh.
365 2011-03-29 11:58:51 <klaasvakie> hi guys, I have a question that I haven't seen answered in the FAQ's. Suppose bitcoin becomes the de-facto global currency, and suppose that everybody on the planet (6bn people) performs one transaction a day. this gives a mean of 250m transactions per hour, or or ~42m transactions for every block generated (6 per hour). If every transaction can be described in 100bytes, does this mean that for every block, every node on the
366 2011-03-29 11:59:08 <EvanR-work> >_>
367 2011-03-29 11:59:12 <sipa> every node on the [...] ?
368 2011-03-29 11:59:24 <ersi> Dude, don't post essays
369 2011-03-29 11:59:32 <klaasvakie> sorry man
370 2011-03-29 11:59:35 <EvanR-work> pastebin the dissertation
371 2011-03-29 11:59:45 <klaasvakie> its only 3 lines :)
372 2011-03-29 12:00:09 <ersi> on a 3kx2k monitor?
373 2011-03-29 12:00:17 <sipa> with fontsize 4?
374 2011-03-29 12:00:22 <klaasvakie> did it get snipped somewhere?
375 2011-03-29 12:00:24 <EvanR-work> i have 10 lines here
376 2011-03-29 12:00:30 <sipa> klaasvakie: every node on the [...]
377 2011-03-29 12:00:33 <ersi> klaasvakie: yeah, at "every node on the"
378 2011-03-29 12:00:35 <klaasvakie> hold on, i'll pastebin
379 2011-03-29 12:01:18 <lfm> klaasvakie: the support for that will be in version 238.1.1, we are still working on ver 0.3.21
380 2011-03-29 12:01:45 <klaasvakie> http://pastebin.com/yBqh2KBQ
381 2011-03-29 12:01:46 <sipa> klaasvakie: the answer is probably https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Scalability :)
382 2011-03-29 12:02:14 <TD> we should put this into the FAQ
383 2011-03-29 12:02:20 <TD> seeing as it is actually an FAQ (unlike tonal bitcoin)
384 2011-03-29 12:02:28 <klaasvakie> sipa: eish, must have miseed that, sorry
385 2011-03-29 12:02:35 <TD> klaasvakie: it's hard to find, no worries
386 2011-03-29 12:06:45 <klaasvakie> ok, I still don't get this, does every bitcoin client need a copy of every block + all the transactions in the block?
387 2011-03-29 12:06:55 <TD> no
388 2011-03-29 12:07:00 <TD> only ones that verify transactions
389 2011-03-29 12:07:07 <TD> eg, miners
390 2011-03-29 12:07:09 <klaasvakie> how do results get confirmed
391 2011-03-29 12:07:13 <klaasvakie> aah beat me to it
392 2011-03-29 12:07:27 <TD> i suggest reading satoshis paper for the technical details
393 2011-03-29 12:08:29 <klaasvakie> thanks, I never thought that one could rely solely on external nodes to confirm your transactions
394 2011-03-29 12:08:38 <klaasvakie> it makes sense now
395 2011-03-29 12:09:50 <lfm> klaasvakie: see mybitcoin.com
396 2011-03-29 12:13:33 <klaasvakie> thanks for your help guys, i'll let my measly cpu continue mining :)
397 2011-03-29 12:14:08 <lfm> klaasvakie: see mybitcoin.com, you can partisipate without running the bitcoin net at all
398 2011-03-29 12:15:53 <klaasvakie> lfm, thanks, but it doesn't look like I have a pressing need for any of the services described on the home page, I'll sign up as soon as I do though
399 2011-03-29 12:17:23 <TD> klaasvakie: yeah you won't get far with cpu mining
400 2011-03-29 12:17:32 <TD> if you're doing it solo it could be years before finding a block
401 2011-03-29 12:17:48 <lfm> klaasvakie: see mybitcoin.com for an example of how transactions can be handled without needing to load down the main network too. I mean txn between mybitcoin users. all handled within the node, no net traffic and no bitcoin overhead
402 2011-03-29 12:18:14 <da2ce7> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Helping_Bitcoin
403 2011-03-29 12:18:18 <klaasvakie> naah, not solo, I signed up for one of the shared mining services
404 2011-03-29 12:18:22 <da2ce7> what do you think guys?
405 2011-03-29 12:19:02 <TD> nice da2ce7. there are a few typos
406 2011-03-29 12:19:08 <TD> but the content is good
407 2011-03-29 12:19:25 <da2ce7> :S :)
408 2011-03-29 12:20:12 <Blitzboom> http://boards.4chan.org/b/res/319116201#319122497
409 2011-03-29 12:20:14 <Blitzboom> fffff
410 2011-03-29 12:20:25 <Blitzboom> is "generate coins" finally turned off in .21?
411 2011-03-29 12:20:35 <Blitzboom> err, hidden
412 2011-03-29 12:21:02 <BurtyB> da2ce7 is 4chan something you really want to associate directly?
413 2011-03-29 12:21:40 <da2ce7> well, I thought it was a good reference for scope.
414 2011-03-29 12:39:48 <xelister> lol http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1301406918273.jpg
415 2011-03-29 12:39:57 <CIA-96> bitcoin: mtve <mtve1927@gmail.com> * r1e55d3eba5c1 bitcoin-pl/ (data.pm main.pm): correct chain download
416 2011-03-29 12:40:02 <xelister> </ot and stupid> :P
417 2011-03-29 12:40:09 <CIA-96> bitcoin: mtve <mtve1927@gmail.com> * r9908f5f8037c bitcoin-pl/main.pm: cleanup
418 2011-03-29 12:42:11 <da2ce7> well I'm 2 sleep....
419 2011-03-29 12:43:08 <xelister> I GENERATED
420 2011-03-29 12:43:09 <xelister> WOOO
421 2011-03-29 12:43:11 <xelister> dryspell is over
422 2011-03-29 12:44:37 <luke-jr> false
423 2011-03-29 12:44:59 <BlueMatt> unless you generated a couple million usd, the opposite is true
424 2011-03-29 12:45:32 <da2ce7> MOAR CONDOMS
425 2011-03-29 12:45:33 <da2ce7> condoms << cheaper than Children
426 2011-03-29 12:46:13 <BlueMatt> well if you spend your time generating btc you probably dont need comdoms
427 2011-03-29 12:46:30 <BlueMatt> unless of course it made you rich...
428 2011-03-29 12:46:53 <luke-jr> condoms are always gravely immoral and damning
429 2011-03-29 12:47:02 <xelister> BlueMatt: that is what I thought,
430 2011-03-29 12:47:08 <xelister> but then I start using computer for mining
431 2011-03-29 12:47:16 <xelister> it was a greate idea.
432 2011-03-29 12:54:22 <Blitzboom> generating bitcoins, hell yeah
433 2011-03-29 12:54:30 <Blitzboom> we sure all like printing money
434 2011-03-29 12:54:41 <BlueMatt> who doesnt?
435 2011-03-29 12:55:15 <Blitzboom> i dont know. just nice that all ouf our printing presses get slower over time
436 2011-03-29 12:56:30 <genjix> luke-jr: did you know hollywood is making a film of Foundation?
437 2011-03-29 12:57:18 <luke-jr> genjix: yes
438 2011-03-29 12:57:51 <genjix> "the Avatar technology applies to Foundation... It has to be done all CG because I would not know how to shoot this thing in real."
439 2011-03-29 12:57:54 <genjix> kill me now.
440 2011-03-29 12:58:20 <luke-jr> it will probably be terrible
441 2011-03-29 12:58:21 <genjix> (fyi i saw your wiki page. im a fan of asimov too :)
442 2011-03-29 13:01:53 <grbgout> What's foundation?
443 2011-03-29 13:02:08 <grbgout> an asimov story/novel?
444 2011-03-29 13:03:01 <genjix> yup
445 2011-03-29 13:03:05 <genjix> all talking.
446 2011-03-29 13:05:11 <grbgout> interesting
447 2011-03-29 13:24:00 <xelister> movies need more CGI
448 2011-03-29 13:24:47 <xelister> need moar boring plastic figures with no storyline or passion like Star Wars I, II, III a.k.a  Darth VaBoring?  no problem
449 2011-03-29 13:31:22 <Kiba> never watched avatar
450 2011-03-29 13:39:05 <nanotube> Kiba: looks like some more chinese student marketplace posts need to be moved to the child forum
451 2011-03-29 13:43:07 <Kiba> done.
452 2011-03-29 13:43:47 <nanotube> thanks Kiba :)
453 2011-03-29 14:32:21 <UukGoblin> is there a way to withdraw USD from mtgox?
454 2011-03-29 14:34:01 <manveru> UukGoblin: yeah
455 2011-03-29 14:34:15 <manveru> well, you can withdraw to liberty reserve
456 2011-03-29 14:34:24 <jgarzik> if > $800, via ACH
457 2011-03-29 14:35:57 <UukGoblin> my friend says he can't withdraw with LR for the second day in a row now
458 2011-03-29 14:36:07 <UukGoblin> tells him to "try again tomorrow"
459 2011-03-29 14:37:16 <manveru> hm
460 2011-03-29 14:37:39 <manveru> UukGoblin: you might wanna try to reach magicaltux in #bitcoin-otc
461 2011-03-29 14:37:59 <manveru> or via mail, he's asleep already
462 2011-03-29 14:38:37 <UukGoblin> manveru, k, thanks
463 2011-03-29 14:43:40 <Kiba> voting for animation video started
464 2011-03-29 14:49:57 <genjix> Kiba: if 5 people vote, is the poll over?
465 2011-03-29 14:55:42 <jgarzik> with 4 Ghps, you'd think I'd generate a block one of these days
466 2011-03-29 14:56:01 <idnar> o/` one of these days / I'm going to cut you into little pieces! o/`
467 2011-03-29 15:01:40 <yebyen> luke-jr: lol, sure... i have quite a bit
468 2011-03-29 15:01:50 <xelister> jgarzik: you're in druspell too? ;)
469 2011-03-29 15:13:19 <nanotube> yebyen: what do you have quite a bit of? :)
470 2011-03-29 15:28:24 <BlueMatt> anyone have a ubuntu 32-bit desktop install and care to test something really quick?
471 2011-03-29 15:29:45 <sipa> only 64-bit here
472 2011-03-29 15:29:52 <lfm> BlueMatt: like what?
473 2011-03-29 15:29:54 <BlueMatt> same here, hence the question
474 2011-03-29 15:30:04 <BlueMatt> lfm: just test if a file runs right
475 2011-03-29 15:30:07 <genjix> BlueMatt: hey
476 2011-03-29 15:30:11 <BlueMatt> specifically a bitcoin build
477 2011-03-29 15:30:12 <genjix> 32 bit ok
478 2011-03-29 15:30:25 <xelister> >_>
479 2011-03-29 15:30:44 <xelister> untrusted binary local execution ftw
480 2011-03-29 15:30:54 <lfm> bitcoind or bitcoin
481 2011-03-29 15:30:56 <BlueMatt> you trust me, right?
482 2011-03-29 15:31:01 <BlueMatt> bitcoin hence the gui requirement
483 2011-03-29 15:31:01 <genjix> pfft i doubt BlueMatt wants to steal my btc
484 2011-03-29 15:31:31 <BlueMatt> http://bitcoin.bluematt.me/bitcoin-nightly/ubuntu-i686-patched/ the latest one there
485 2011-03-29 15:31:39 <BlueMatt> once if finishes uploading
486 2011-03-29 15:31:57 <xelister> BlueMatt: you plan to package it for ubuntu?
487 2011-03-29 15:32:00 <BlueMatt> or just chroot it
488 2011-03-29 15:32:12 <BlueMatt> xelister: only sort of
489 2011-03-29 15:32:24 <xelister> BlueMatt: so how it goes?
490 2011-03-29 15:32:28 <BlueMatt> as it turns out there is a problem linking so I just thought Id ask if someone could test it
491 2011-03-29 15:32:33 <BlueMatt> if it opens, it works ;)
492 2011-03-29 15:32:39 <nanotube> request that it be signed with BlueMatt's gpg key :)
493 2011-03-29 15:32:50 <BlueMatt> thats a ton of work
494 2011-03-29 15:33:00 <nanotube> gpg --sign <filename>
495 2011-03-29 15:33:02 <nanotube> done
496 2011-03-29 15:33:08 <BlueMatt> and then upload to mirror
497 2011-03-29 15:33:10 <genjix> wait so i only need to download/untar it?
498 2011-03-29 15:33:15 <BlueMatt> genjix: if you dont mind
499 2011-03-29 15:33:19 <genjix> kk
500 2011-03-29 15:33:27 <BlueMatt> nanotube: and copy my gpg key to the vm which makes the builds and and and
501 2011-03-29 15:33:28 <nanotube> BlueMatt: ok, so then you rsync to upload the signature
502 2011-03-29 15:33:33 <nanotube> hehe
503 2011-03-29 15:33:38 <nanotube> you can post your signature separately
504 2011-03-29 15:33:45 <nanotube> (pastebin, even)
505 2011-03-29 15:33:48 <genjix> BlueMatt: everything seems fine but i haven't run it yet
506 2011-03-29 15:33:53 <BlueMatt> arg, genjix is already running it
507 2011-03-29 15:33:54 <nanotube> but anyway, just a suggestion
508 2011-03-29 15:34:03 <BlueMatt> genjix: if bitcoin opens, it worked
509 2011-03-29 15:34:09 <genjix> ok hold on
510 2011-03-29 15:34:15 <genjix> (need to stop bitcoind)
511 2011-03-29 15:35:17 <genjix> BlueMatt: works fine.
512 2011-03-29 15:35:22 <BlueMatt> genjix: ok thanks
513 2011-03-29 15:35:55 <BlueMatt> nanotube: I need to work on the nightly server to make it more useful but for now, it building is good
514 2011-03-29 15:38:19 <BlueMatt> btw that version has upnp including upnp in the wxui
515 2011-03-29 15:38:24 <BlueMatt> :)
516 2011-03-29 15:40:42 <FabianB> Diablo-D3: DiabloMiner doesn't work headless?
517 2011-03-29 15:42:06 <BlueMatt> FabianB: the drivers need x, cuda/opencl dont really need it, its just an arbitrary restriction of nvidia/ati
518 2011-03-29 15:44:50 <yebyen> nanotube: counterfeit bitcoins :x
519 2011-03-29 15:45:15 <FabianB> can they be counterfeitet?
520 2011-03-29 15:45:21 <BlueMatt> FabianB: no
521 2011-03-29 15:45:46 <xelister> lololol http://i.imgur.com/M6GMN.jpg
522 2011-03-29 15:46:09 <Diablo-D3> FabianB: what hardware?
523 2011-03-29 15:46:31 <yebyen> yeah they can
524 2011-03-29 15:46:36 <yebyen> you can't accidentally accept them though
525 2011-03-29 15:46:54 <yebyen> unless i managed to pass you my counterfeit bitcoins binary :)
526 2011-03-29 15:46:57 <Diablo-D3> FabianB: because radeon and old nvidia drivers need an actual X running
527 2011-03-29 15:47:08 <Diablo-D3> FabianB: its a limitation of the drivers
528 2011-03-29 15:47:21 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: new nvidia drivers can run opencl headless?
529 2011-03-29 15:47:29 <FabianB> hmm.. how do I find out in an ubuntu
530 2011-03-29 15:47:45 <Diablo-D3> how do you find out what hardware you own?!
531 2011-03-29 15:48:21 <Diablo-D3> FabianB: you dont know?!
532 2011-03-29 15:48:26 <Diablo-D3> its either amd or nvidia dude
533 2011-03-29 15:48:27 <FabianB> well, it wasn't intended for mining
534 2011-03-29 15:48:32 <FabianB> its a small box for my tv
535 2011-03-29 15:49:07 <Diablo-D3> lspci | grep VGA
536 2011-03-29 15:49:13 <FabianB> n atom with an nvidia ion
537 2011-03-29 15:49:23 <Diablo-D3> you cant use opencl on that.
538 2011-03-29 15:49:27 <FabianB> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation ION VGA (rev b1)
539 2011-03-29 15:49:28 <xelister> Diablo-D3: it can be intell gfx card :trollface:
540 2011-03-29 15:49:32 <xelister> intel
541 2011-03-29 15:49:40 <Diablo-D3> FabianB: yup, no mining on that.
542 2011-03-29 15:49:43 <Diablo-D3> so, problem solved.
543 2011-03-29 15:49:45 <xelister> I didnt mistaken much
544 2011-03-29 15:49:52 <FabianB> yeah, thank you
545 2011-03-29 15:50:14 <FabianB> just thought I could use it while I don't watch hd video on it
546 2011-03-29 15:50:21 <Diablo-D3> and you're not going to get anything out of cpu mining either
547 2011-03-29 15:50:47 <FabianB> just playing around for fun
548 2011-03-29 15:51:12 <ersi> Hmmm.. wonder how Amazon's GPU instance measures up in teh mining
549 2011-03-29 15:51:23 <BlueMatt> ersi: not power efficient
550 2011-03-29 15:51:24 <Diablo-D3> ersi: I HAZ DONE TEH MATH
551 2011-03-29 15:51:38 <Diablo-D3> http://pastebin.com/j1iZ5tgk
552 2011-03-29 15:51:39 <ersi> Power efficient? You mean wallet efficient? ;p
553 2011-03-29 15:51:46 <Diablo-D3> thats for normal gpgpu apps
554 2011-03-29 15:51:48 <BlueMatt> yes thats what I meant
555 2011-03-29 15:51:50 <Diablo-D3> bitcoin makes it 4-5x worse
556 2011-03-29 15:51:52 <ersi> awesome
557 2011-03-29 15:51:57 <Diablo-D3> and amazon is passing the costs to you
558 2011-03-29 15:52:02 <ersi> Thanks for those calculations Diablo-D3 :)
559 2011-03-29 15:52:08 <Diablo-D3> spoiler: amazon and nvidia are trolling you.
560 2011-03-29 15:52:46 <ersi> Well, that sucks ;D
561 2011-03-29 15:53:35 <Diablo-D3> yeah, its cheaper to just flat out buy your own farm
562 2011-03-29 15:54:58 <nameless> |Haha, I started bitcoing on my linode again
563 2011-03-29 15:55:10 <nameless> |I expect to generate 1bc/year
564 2011-03-29 15:55:23 <BlueMatt> any pay...?
565 2011-03-29 15:56:11 <Diablo-D3> FabianB: btw, if you swap that out for an AMD Fusion box, you can mine
566 2011-03-29 15:56:24 <Diablo-D3> FabianB: it'll just be still in the realm of "impressively slow"
567 2011-03-29 15:58:00 <nameless> |I need to get a cheap mining box
568 2011-03-29 16:05:45 <xelister> FabianB: or just mine the btc
569 2011-03-29 16:06:13 <yebyen> what are some pooled clients?
570 2011-03-29 16:06:18 <yebyen> i'm tired of not generating anything
571 2011-03-29 16:06:49 <yebyen> anything not listed on the bluishcoder website?
572 2011-03-29 16:08:28 <lfm> yebyen: what gpu do you have?
573 2011-03-29 16:08:45 <yebyen> i915 :x
574 2011-03-29 16:09:02 <lfm> oh so you're just on a cpu
575 2011-03-29 16:09:37 <yebyen> yeah
576 2011-03-29 16:09:40 <lfm> for cpu the best client is I think cpuminer
577 2011-03-29 16:09:41 <yebyen> atom n270
578 2011-03-29 16:10:09 <lfm> oh dear thats not a fast cpu, you wont make anything quickly with that
579 2011-03-29 16:10:25 <yebyen> yeah i think i might get more of them though
580 2011-03-29 16:11:03 <lfm> one gpu even a modest one is probably 1000 times faster than that
581 2011-03-29 16:11:24 <lfm> for bitcoin
582 2011-03-29 16:11:57 <yebyen> really
583 2011-03-29 16:12:09 <lfm> what khash/s are you getting?
584 2011-03-29 16:12:20 <yebyen> 639843
585 2011-03-29 16:12:25 <yebyen> that's a different cpu
586 2011-03-29 16:12:35 <yebyen> "hashespersec" : 181080,
587 2011-03-29 16:12:39 <yebyen> that's the atom
588 2011-03-29 16:12:45 <lfm> that is hash/s not khash/s I think
589 2011-03-29 16:12:50 <yebyen> you are correct
590 2011-03-29 16:13:43 <lfm> ok I have a ati 5770, cost me about $105 and it gets 160000000 hash/s (160Mhash/s)
591 2011-03-29 16:13:48 <FellowTraveler> hiya all
592 2011-03-29 16:14:27 <lfm> so almost 1000 times the atom
593 2011-03-29 16:16:10 <lfm> FellowTraveler: hi
594 2011-03-29 16:17:15 <FellowTraveler> hi lfm, changing the world?
595 2011-03-29 16:17:34 <lfm> naw, same ol same ol
596 2011-03-29 16:18:03 <joepie91> o/
597 2011-03-29 16:18:09 <joepie91> dynadot has suspended my domain
598 2011-03-29 16:18:50 <lfm> did they give a reason? are you a terrorist?
599 2011-03-29 16:19:03 <FellowTraveler> dynadot has not suspended by eepsite.
600 2011-03-29 16:19:14 <joepie91> "hacking"
601 2011-03-29 16:19:16 <joepie91> aka
602 2011-03-29 16:19:20 <joepie91> a link to a page on imgur
603 2011-03-29 16:19:22 <joepie91> that contained an image
604 2011-03-29 16:19:32 <joepie91> that gave instructions on how to "recover" someones facebook account
605 2011-03-29 16:19:37 <joepie91> without being the owner
606 2011-03-29 16:19:45 <lfm> oh dear
607 2011-03-29 16:19:46 <JFK911> omg hax
608 2011-03-29 16:19:47 <joepie91> ... it was not even hosted on anonnews -_-
609 2011-03-29 16:19:53 <joepie91> soooo... I'm moving to PRQ
610 2011-03-29 16:19:57 <joepie91> and Dynadot just lost a customer
611 2011-03-29 16:20:01 <JFK911> try dreamhost
612 2011-03-29 16:20:09 <JFK911> they have deflected dmca demands for me
613 2011-03-29 16:20:09 <joepie91> nty
614 2011-03-29 16:20:17 <joepie91> I'd rather not try my luck again
615 2011-03-29 16:20:27 <JFK911> just sayin they have been good to me bro
616 2011-03-29 16:20:31 <luke-jr> JFK911: what?
617 2011-03-29 16:20:37 <joepie91> I know... but of PRQ I'm 100% sure that it will go well
618 2011-03-29 16:20:37 <luke-jr> you can't deflect DMCA demands
619 2011-03-29 16:20:42 <joepie91> plus
620 2011-03-29 16:20:45 <joepie91> PRQ is not even US
621 2011-03-29 16:21:09 <JFK911> luke-jr: when the demands are shit on their face, at least they have the sense to say FU rather than shut my crap down
622 2011-03-29 16:21:12 <joepie91> (also, this was about a regular abuse letter, not about a DMCA... supposedly my site violated their terms and conditions)
623 2011-03-29 16:21:12 <lfm> luke lots of ways, easiest is to not be in the usa
624 2011-03-29 16:21:24 <joepie91> aka
625 2011-03-29 16:21:26 <joepie91> one moron
626 2011-03-29 16:21:30 <joepie91> that was sending out random abuse letters
627 2011-03-29 16:21:33 <joepie91> to hosts and registrars
628 2011-03-29 16:21:35 <joepie91> related to anon
629 2011-03-29 16:21:39 <joepie91> to see which ones would shut down shit
630 2011-03-29 16:23:06 <xelister> can we DMCA like sony.com ?
631 2011-03-29 16:23:31 <lfm> the usa side of it I spoze
632 2011-03-29 16:23:33 <JFK911> it might be difficult to come up with an actionable complaint
633 2011-03-29 16:23:37 <JFK911> also they have a lot of evil lawyers
634 2011-03-29 16:23:47 <JFK911> i think its better to put up a website saying things like
635 2011-03-29 16:23:52 <lfm> they stole my web site idea
636 2011-03-29 16:23:56 <xelister> well if DMCA will be unstopable bullshit, then it means it can used against anyone
637 2011-03-29 16:24:02 <JFK911> sony tv burned down my childhood home and killed my parents and brother, thanks sony for making me an orphan
638 2011-03-29 16:24:06 <JFK911> or
639 2011-03-29 16:24:12 <JFK911> we put anthrax in 10 ps3 boxes, will you be a WINNER?
640 2011-03-29 16:24:36 <JFK911> maybe instead of a tv burning it could be a powerbook or dell battery
641 2011-03-29 16:26:32 <lfm> aibo bit me
642 2011-03-29 16:26:59 <JFK911> good one
643 2011-03-29 16:27:05 <JFK911> got rabies or tetanus from aibo
644 2011-03-29 16:27:10 <JFK911> adding that to the list
645 2011-03-29 17:19:53 <FellowTraveler> So wait a second, Bitcoin doesn't have any backing value then?
646 2011-03-29 17:20:09 <Kiba> FellowTraveler: no sir. It's all supply and demand
647 2011-03-29 17:20:31 <EvanR-work> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Myths
648 2011-03-29 17:20:34 <Blitzboom> bitcoin could only be backed if there was a central entity behind it
649 2011-03-29 17:20:48 <Blitzboom> which wouldnt make it very decentralized &
650 2011-03-29 17:21:03 <EvanR-work> bitcoin is backed by the full faith and reputation of itself
651 2011-03-29 17:22:35 <FellowTraveler> Sorry I just have a twisted sense of humor, been up all night.
652 2011-03-29 17:24:11 <FellowTraveler> Does anyone know what's the best lib for bitcoin API if I just want to talk to bitcoind through java?