1 2011-04-02 00:00:00 <luke-jr> can't find any info on the ST
  2 2011-04-02 00:06:12 <[Tycho]> It may me something small like i2c flash memory.
  3 2011-04-02 00:07:28 <luke-jr> x.x
  4 2011-04-02 00:07:33 <luke-jr> so when do I panic?
  5 2011-04-02 00:07:59 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, do you 100% need what's on the disk?
  6 2011-04-02 00:08:21 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: that's half the problem& NFC
  7 2011-04-02 00:08:41 <luke-jr> I only put it online to make a backup ;)
  8 2011-04-02 00:08:45 <phantomcircuit> lol
  9 2011-04-02 00:08:49 <luke-jr> oh, and look at family photos
 10 2011-04-02 00:09:56 <luke-jr> however, I'm 90% sure I found those same photos on my old server, which they had been backed up from
 11 2011-04-02 00:09:57 <luke-jr> <><
 12 2011-04-02 00:10:00 <luke-jr> <.<*
 13 2011-04-02 00:10:16 <luke-jr> never could get rid of the old PowerEdge 6400, thank GOd
 14 2011-04-02 00:23:02 <lfm> youd use a clean room to swap platters or clen the surface but that would not seem to be feasable on modern drives
 15 2011-04-02 00:23:52 <JFK911> uh
 16 2011-04-02 00:23:57 <JFK911> if you think so, go ahead
 17 2011-04-02 00:24:01 <JFK911> i'll tell you why you'll fail
 18 2011-04-02 00:24:09 <JFK911> 1. inter-platter alignment
 19 2011-04-02 00:24:27 <JFK911> 2. how the FK are you gonna remove the head stack without damaging the heads (they will touch each other and stick together)
 20 2011-04-02 00:25:05 <JFK911> 3. the pivot arm on some are fixed by a top lid screw - open the drive and you'll spend weeks aligning it if you ever get it to work
 21 2011-04-02 00:25:25 <MagicalTux> don't forget fucking powerful magnets
 22 2011-04-02 00:25:38 <MagicalTux> if you stick them by accident, you're finished :D
 23 2011-04-02 00:26:06 <JFK911> also were people talking about firmware
 24 2011-04-02 00:26:15 <JFK911> that's bootstrapped off the platters
 25 2011-04-02 00:26:33 <JFK911> there's a flash and an eeprom on the control board, but it's more like a bootloader with some calibration values
 26 2011-04-02 00:26:52 <lfm> ya I think platter swaps are outa the dark ages, I dont know if you could ever do it since the start of "winchester tech"
 27 2011-04-02 00:27:28 <JFK911> when the density was not so high it was probably easier
 28 2011-04-02 00:27:37 <JFK911> guys who do this made their own clamping tools
 29 2011-04-02 00:27:59 <JFK911> same with the WD top screw alignment
 30 2011-04-02 00:28:08 <JFK911> and pulling heads away from platters
 31 2011-04-02 00:28:08 <lfm> the "data recovery" outfits are not beyond spreading fairy tales to make themselves look good
 32 2011-04-02 00:28:39 <JFK911> you can talk to some pros on hddguru.com forum
 33 2011-04-02 00:29:04 <JFK911> lots of technical details leak from here
 34 2011-04-02 00:29:30 <phantomcircuit> omfg i love western medicine
 35 2011-04-02 00:29:35 <phantomcircuit> allergies up the ass
 36 2011-04-02 00:29:44 <phantomcircuit> one pill
 37 2011-04-02 00:29:53 <phantomcircuit> all gone
 38 2011-04-02 00:30:25 <JFK911> if you dont get that 'blindness' side effect that's a win
 39 2011-04-02 00:30:52 <lfm> I thot the allergies were a side effect of other drugs
 40 2011-04-02 00:31:08 <JFK911> or gluten
 41 2011-04-02 00:33:14 <phantomcircuit> JFK911, that's not a listed side effect!!
 42 2011-04-02 00:33:37 <JFK911> it must be old medication then :)
 43 2011-04-02 00:33:59 <phantomcircuit> claritin 24 hour
 44 2011-04-02 00:34:03 <phantomcircuit> also
 45 2011-04-02 00:34:05 <phantomcircuit> psh
 46 2011-04-02 01:50:01 <isilion> hello
 47 2011-04-02 01:50:06 <isilion> i have a question
 48 2011-04-02 01:50:28 <isilion> some days ago i came asking about making bitcoin run in a cluster
 49 2011-04-02 01:51:10 <isilion> and tell too that Pirate Party -ES- accepts bitcoin donatives (someone said you could add it to some trade list)
 50 2011-04-02 01:51:45 <isilion> the problem is that in our country, political parties cannot receive anonimous donatives, by law
 51 2011-04-02 01:52:19 <isilion> is there any way, to make the donative non anonymous, without transferring to paypal?
 52 2011-04-02 01:52:20 <isilion> or
 53 2011-04-02 01:52:58 <isilion> is there any way that Pirate Party-es community could generate coins, i.e. in his own pool, without being anonymous?
 54 2011-04-02 01:53:04 <tcatm> Sure, just ask them to send them an email before they donate and reply with a Bitcoin address.
 55 2011-04-02 01:53:11 <isilion> is there any way that Pirate Party-es community could generate and donate coins, i.e. in his own pool, without being anonymous?
 56 2011-04-02 01:53:44 <isilion> wich email address?
 57 2011-04-02 01:54:24 <tcatm> to the party they want to donate to
 58 2011-04-02 01:54:31 <isilion> yes
 59 2011-04-02 01:54:37 <isilion> a 100% fee
 60 2011-04-02 01:54:43 <isilion> for pool participants?
 61 2011-04-02 01:55:18 <isilion> oh, you say..
 62 2011-04-02 01:55:20 <theymos> I think you can do non-paying pools with stock Bitcoin using getwork.
 63 2011-04-02 01:56:19 <isilion> you said that ppl tell the party about every donation that it was made for a concrete address, right?
 64 2011-04-02 01:56:24 <isilion> much burocracy
 65 2011-04-02 01:56:27 <isilion> :(
 66 2011-04-02 01:56:54 <isilion> and that wouldn avoid ppl to send coins without sending the email
 67 2011-04-02 01:57:00 <isilion> we would be unlegal
 68 2011-04-02 01:57:11 <theymos> You can't stop people from sending you money.
 69 2011-04-02 01:57:35 <isilion> the problem is *sending* as anonymous
 70 2011-04-02 01:57:39 <da2ce7> what do you do if you get 100 EURO in a letter arrive?
 71 2011-04-02 01:58:06 <da2ce7> but no address? do you put the Euro's in the bin?
 72 2011-04-02 01:58:23 <isilion> if the letter goes personally to a political party, in our country, a identifiable remitent should be write
 73 2011-04-02 01:58:45 <isilion> if not its unlegal
 74 2011-04-02 01:59:44 <da2ce7> so if there is no remitent what do you do with the money sent to you?
 75 2011-04-02 01:59:44 <isilion> if the letter goes for my name, the law says nothing
 76 2011-04-02 01:59:56 <da2ce7> ie to PP
 77 2011-04-02 02:00:09 <isilion> it cannot be spend
 78 2011-04-02 02:00:24 <noagendamarket> what is spent canot be unspent ?
 79 2011-04-02 02:00:43 <da2ce7> *money goes into leagal limbo*
 80 2011-04-02 02:00:47 <isilion> right
 81 2011-04-02 02:01:00 <theymos> Why not just have a web form that takes people's names before sending them to MyBitcoin. MyBitcoin won't ever forward more or less than the exact amount requested, and the addresses are only usable once.
 82 2011-04-02 02:01:31 <noagendamarket> 185FathxWiDeXWLFUmQp6e6mv2kzbjD7nN   if someone sends you bitcoin anonymously you can send them there
 83 2011-04-02 02:01:43 <noagendamarket> I promise to look after them lol
 84 2011-04-02 02:01:52 <da2ce7> or even better, become a bitcoin trader... you accept donations for 'I look good' you convert it into euro then make a personal donation to the party
 85 2011-04-02 02:01:55 <isilion> im just asking, so i could inform other affiliates about what to do to solve this issue
 86 2011-04-02 02:02:03 <isilion> PP is very interested in bitcoin
 87 2011-04-02 02:02:20 <isilion> yeah
 88 2011-04-02 02:02:33 <isilion> i.e. donations forwarded to the president
 89 2011-04-02 02:02:43 <da2ce7> don't don'ate to PP donate to the "isilion is sexy fund"
 90 2011-04-02 02:02:44 <isilion> right?
 91 2011-04-02 02:02:48 <isilion> i dunno if still legal
 92 2011-04-02 02:03:11 <isilion> the other thing
 93 2011-04-02 02:03:29 <isilion> we have (some of us, Pirates) interesting hardware
 94 2011-04-02 02:03:42 <da2ce7> sha256 chips?
 95 2011-04-02 02:03:44 <isilion> myself got a 4 nodes p4 cluster
 96 2011-04-02 02:03:53 <theymos> Maybe BTC donations wouldn't even be considered money transfer. After all, the sender is just signing some particular data.
 97 2011-04-02 02:03:56 <isilion> others have last generation graphics
 98 2011-04-02 02:04:04 <isilion> so we would be interested in mine together
 99 2011-04-02 02:04:34 <da2ce7> isilion, unless you generate professionaly. you will not make a proffit
100 2011-04-02 02:04:40 <noagendamarket> I dont think anyone runs a charity pool
101 2011-04-02 02:04:43 <isilion> theymos, ill tell that too.
102 2011-04-02 02:05:10 <isilion> what you mean 'professionally'? a video design lab with 40 computers?
103 2011-04-02 02:05:34 <da2ce7> um at least 5970's on 24x7
104 2011-04-02 02:05:34 <noagendamarket> depends what gpu they have
105 2011-04-02 02:05:41 <isilion> well
106 2011-04-02 02:05:53 <isilion> i reach 2000khashes
107 2011-04-02 02:06:03 <isilion> and some 40mhases
108 2011-04-02 02:06:04 <noagendamarket> hmm
109 2011-04-02 02:06:09 <da2ce7> OMG... I readh 1.1GHash/s
110 2011-04-02 02:06:10 <isilion> with a graphic
111 2011-04-02 02:06:48 <isilion> (my cluster is made of servers without graphic)
112 2011-04-02 02:07:09 <isilion> the 40mhash one has a nvidia 9600 or so
113 2011-04-02 02:07:25 <da2ce7> isilion, that is really slow, the power usesage is going to MUCH higher than the value of the bitcoins you make
114 2011-04-02 02:07:27 <[Tycho]> CPU and nVidia mining is not cake anymore
115 2011-04-02 02:07:42 <noagendamarket> ;;bc,calc 2000
116 2011-04-02 02:07:43 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 2000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 4 years, 36 weeks, 2 days, 11 hours, 30 minutes, and 43 seconds
117 2011-04-02 02:07:47 <noagendamarket> lol
118 2011-04-02 02:07:55 <da2ce7> you will support the bitcoin economy more by buying coins with the money you would have spent on electricity
119 2011-04-02 02:07:59 <isilion> ;;bc,calc 40000
120 2011-04-02 02:08:00 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 40000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 12 weeks, 1 day, 17 hours, 22 minutes, and 32 seconds
121 2011-04-02 02:08:26 <isilion> 12 weeks for the one with the nvidia
122 2011-04-02 02:08:38 <noagendamarket> how many in total ?
123 2011-04-02 02:08:39 <isilion> what about 10 simmilar people?
124 2011-04-02 02:09:05 <noagendamarket> ;;bc,calc 400000
125 2011-04-02 02:09:07 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 400000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 1 week, 1 day, 13 hours, 44 minutes, and 15 seconds
126 2011-04-02 02:09:13 <noagendamarket> so that
127 2011-04-02 02:09:19 <isilion> 1 week for the chance of 50btc?
128 2011-04-02 02:09:24 <da2ce7> yep
129 2011-04-02 02:09:26 <isilion> or halves
130 2011-04-02 02:09:29 <noagendamarket> yes
131 2011-04-02 02:09:30 <[Tycho]> Compare with ~7-10 BTC per day on a 5970
132 2011-04-02 02:09:31 <isilion> seems right
133 2011-04-02 02:09:41 <da2ce7> if you get your 10 friends, you may be able to buy a couple AMD 5970's
134 2011-04-02 02:09:51 <isilion> 5970 is..? a graphic's?
135 2011-04-02 02:09:56 <da2ce7> ya
136 2011-04-02 02:09:58 <noagendamarket> yes
137 2011-04-02 02:09:59 <theymos> You could all join an existing pool to get less BTC continuously. ,,(bc,gen 400000)
138 2011-04-02 02:10:00 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 400000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 5.83267341497 BTC per day and 0.243028058957 BTC per hour.
139 2011-04-02 02:10:06 <[Tycho]> ATI Radeon HD 5970
140 2011-04-02 02:10:18 <noagendamarket> what theymos says
141 2011-04-02 02:10:19 <isilion> theymos,
142 2011-04-02 02:10:25 <[Tycho]> Is like two 5870 on single board, but slower.
143 2011-04-02 02:10:30 <isilion> theymos, and what if we create our own pool?
144 2011-04-02 02:10:39 <isilion> or it need to be much larger?
145 2011-04-02 02:10:45 <noagendamarket> no different
146 2011-04-02 02:10:45 <[Tycho]> Creating pools is fun.
147 2011-04-02 02:10:48 <[Tycho]> I tried it :)
148 2011-04-02 02:10:59 <[Tycho]> HUGE SUCCESS
149 2011-04-02 02:11:11 <isilion> so
150 2011-04-02 02:11:14 <theymos> isilion: Same expected output, less frequent payouts.
151 2011-04-02 02:11:19 <da2ce7> Tycho, how many btc have you made? you take 3% rite?
152 2011-04-02 02:11:20 <isilion> you know your bots better than i
153 2011-04-02 02:11:35 <isilion> ok
154 2011-04-02 02:11:35 <[Tycho]> da2ce7, yes, 3%
155 2011-04-02 02:11:45 <isilion> so the best is everybody to join a pool
156 2011-04-02 02:12:01 <isilion> the same pool
157 2011-04-02 02:12:01 <noagendamarket> yep
158 2011-04-02 02:12:02 <isilion> ?
159 2011-04-02 02:12:04 <noagendamarket> or start a new one and invite people
160 2011-04-02 02:12:17 <da2ce7> no, it is best if the pro miners mine, and everyone else support them by buying bitcoins.
161 2011-04-02 02:12:17 <isilion> ok
162 2011-04-02 02:12:31 <isilion> yeah thats the idea
163 2011-04-02 02:12:31 <noagendamarket> why you woulkd want to give yourself an ulcer
164 2011-04-02 02:12:33 <theymos> A charity pool isn't a bad idea. Does any no-payout getwork proxy software exist yet?
165 2011-04-02 02:12:35 <noagendamarket> lol
166 2011-04-02 02:12:49 <noagendamarket> theymos I dont know
167 2011-04-02 02:12:58 <noagendamarket> mine for the eff lol
168 2011-04-02 02:13:09 <da2ce7> economicaly it is best people don't do charity, but put the money they would have spent on charity into buying btc.
169 2011-04-02 02:13:11 <noagendamarket> it would be like seti in a sense
170 2011-04-02 02:13:14 <isilion> ok thx guys i got the info i needed
171 2011-04-02 02:13:19 <isilion> im going to tell the others
172 2011-04-02 02:13:21 <[Tycho]> I can manually switch off payouts for you in my pool if you want to :)
173 2011-04-02 02:13:29 <da2ce7> :O
174 2011-04-02 02:13:32 <noagendamarket> lol
175 2011-04-02 02:13:34 <isilion> only one more thing
176 2011-04-02 02:13:49 <isilion> you said you have a list of sites which accept BTC
177 2011-04-02 02:13:56 <isilion> what you need to add PP?
178 2011-04-02 02:13:58 <isilion> to the list?
179 2011-04-02 02:13:59 <da2ce7> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Helping_Bitcoin
180 2011-04-02 02:14:13 <noagendamarket> they need a public bitcoin address
181 2011-04-02 02:14:20 <da2ce7> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Trade
182 2011-04-02 02:14:26 <theymos> It's a wiki, so you can add yourself.
183 2011-04-02 02:14:34 <da2ce7> at the bottom of the trade site there are sites that you can donate to.
184 2011-04-02 02:14:59 <da2ce7> *note, above the sexyfur.com link(
185 2011-04-02 02:15:25 <kiba> hmm
186 2011-04-02 02:15:33 <isilion> they have
187 2011-04-02 02:15:38 <isilion> do you need it?
188 2011-04-02 02:15:43 <kiba> creating a whole thread about Nefario's bad communnication thread seems to me to be a bad idea
189 2011-04-02 02:15:44 <isilion> im looking for..
190 2011-04-02 02:16:17 <noagendamarket> kiba you should have thought about it for a bit before doing that
191 2011-04-02 02:16:27 <da2ce7> kiba, putting you dirty laundry out for everyone to see is normaly the last resort.
192 2011-04-02 02:17:25 <isilion> this is ---> 1CzPwErPTTKiBnMkvzGx68pAakFnoo93Tv (PIrate Party -ES)
193 2011-04-02 02:17:43 <da2ce7> :O
194 2011-04-02 02:18:06 <kiba> da2ce7: yes, it was pretty damaging to my reputation
195 2011-04-02 02:18:25 <noagendamarket> isilion it needs to be on their website
196 2011-04-02 02:18:38 <isilion> ooook.... looking for...
197 2011-04-02 02:18:38 <noagendamarket> n one will believe it otherwise
198 2011-04-02 02:18:42 <[Tycho]> What thread ?
199 2011-04-02 02:18:45 <da2ce7> you need a pgp singed address
200 2011-04-02 02:18:53 <da2ce7> so we know it is from the PP
201 2011-04-02 02:19:01 <kiba> [Tycho]: I wrote a complaint against my employer Nefario for his lack of communication
202 2011-04-02 02:19:14 <kiba> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=5282.0
203 2011-04-02 02:19:18 <isilion> http://www.partidopirata.es/ayudanos
204 2011-04-02 02:19:43 <da2ce7> ooh...
205 2011-04-02 02:19:53 <da2ce7> ok. I'll donate 5BTC :)
206 2011-04-02 02:19:58 <isilion> NO
207 2011-04-02 02:20:00 <isilion> WAIT
208 2011-04-02 02:20:02 <isilion> :)
209 2011-04-02 02:20:09 <isilion> it must be non-anonymous
210 2011-04-02 02:20:28 <isilion> if you want to support us, wait please that we fix this issue
211 2011-04-02 02:20:31 <da2ce7> do you want me to sign that "I have donated 5 btc, in a email?"
212 2011-04-02 02:20:39 <isilion> as some1 said, a simply form should do
213 2011-04-02 02:21:11 <isilion> better save that 5BTC and lets make it right :)
214 2011-04-02 02:21:17 <isilion> hurryes are bad
215 2011-04-02 02:21:18 <da2ce7> *we have our fist 5 legal limbo BTC*
216 2011-04-02 02:21:23 <isilion> xDDD
217 2011-04-02 02:22:30 <[Tycho]> I don't even know what Nefario is :)
218 2011-04-02 02:23:03 <noagendamarket> lol
219 2011-04-02 02:23:16 <da2ce7> nefario is a carrot that grown too deep, connected with some optical fibers in china and became self aware.
220 2011-04-02 02:23:17 <isilion> then please send an email with a valid email address to anvazher@gmail.com telling your name and bc address :)
221 2011-04-02 02:23:43 <grbgout> [Tycho]: would it be uncouth to ask you what equation you use for the proportional payout?  I saw on slush's site that he displays his, and I was wondering how yours compares.  Is it basically the same, but (50 BTC - 3%) - (personal shares/total shares), or something different?
222 2011-04-02 02:23:49 <da2ce7> isilion, bitcoin dosn't work like that
223 2011-04-02 02:24:01 <noagendamarket> da2ce7  lol
224 2011-04-02 02:24:06 <isilion> its said before...
225 2011-04-02 02:24:29 <noagendamarket> people dont have just 1 bitcoin address....
226 2011-04-02 02:24:31 <isilion> our law should let this kind of donations but no..
227 2011-04-02 02:24:44 <noagendamarket> they have a legion!
228 2011-04-02 02:24:51 <isilion> yeah, but WE as a party in Spain
229 2011-04-02 02:25:00 <noagendamarket> they do not forget
230 2011-04-02 02:25:03 <da2ce7> people have many many bitcoin addresses.
231 2011-04-02 02:25:07 <noagendamarket> lol
232 2011-04-02 02:25:12 <isilion> must have constance that the address that sent the coins is yours
233 2011-04-02 02:25:23 <isilion> and not from an obscure anoncorp
234 2011-04-02 02:25:55 <noagendamarket> yay for limbbtc
235 2011-04-02 02:25:58 <isilion> or at least
236 2011-04-02 02:26:19 <kiba> [Tycho]: seems like you have not been on the forum for a while
237 2011-04-02 02:26:29 <isilion> WAS yours
238 2011-04-02 02:26:33 <isilion> xD
239 2011-04-02 02:26:33 <[Tycho]> grbgout, yes, it's the same.
240 2011-04-02 02:26:37 <da2ce7> :O well then the only way to prove that is if I use the same bitcoin address to clear sign a statement that I own that address.
241 2011-04-02 02:26:42 <kiba> he's the guy responsible for that China
242 2011-04-02 02:26:45 <kiba> students
243 2011-04-02 02:26:48 <da2ce7> and that is lots of bother.
244 2011-04-02 02:26:50 <isilion> da2ce7, pardon?
245 2011-04-02 02:26:50 <[Tycho]> grbgout, just your share -3%
246 2011-04-02 02:26:54 <grbgout> [Tycho]: er, that sounds different than the equation I wrote above.  Let me illustrate what "your share less 3%" might mean, bear with me :) and thanks for the dialog.
247 2011-04-02 02:27:10 <da2ce7> well I can 'claim' that I am the owner of any bitcoin address, there is no way to prove me wrong.
248 2011-04-02 02:27:34 <[Tycho]> grbgout, there is no difference between those equations.
249 2011-04-02 02:27:40 <da2ce7> other than asking me to sign a statement with the private key to that bitcoin address.
250 2011-04-02 02:27:43 <isilion> then a form should not work
251 2011-04-02 02:27:45 <isilion> :7
252 2011-04-02 02:27:54 <grbgout> [Tycho]: er, simpler way of asking: is it less 3% of my share, or my share of 3% less the 50 BTC?
253 2011-04-02 02:27:58 <isilion> we must identificate who donate to us
254 2011-04-02 02:28:06 <isilion> we must make that info public
255 2011-04-02 02:28:09 <da2ce7> but the bitcoin software dosn't have a easy way to do that.
256 2011-04-02 02:28:23 <isilion> thats the issue
257 2011-04-02 02:28:34 <isilion> why i came :)
258 2011-04-02 02:28:38 <noagendamarket> bitcoin - defeating political parties since 2011
259 2011-04-02 02:29:01 <[Tycho]> grbgout, 48.5 is divided between participants.
260 2011-04-02 02:29:07 <noagendamarket> its easier just to take anonymous bribes
261 2011-04-02 02:29:10 <noagendamarket> :)
262 2011-04-02 02:29:13 <isilion> that's because i though in making our own pool
263 2011-04-02 02:29:15 <grbgout> thanks, that clarifies it completely.  Just a note, the way its worded on your site is a little less clear.
264 2011-04-02 02:29:18 <da2ce7> as I said before... get (weathy) a friend of PP to accept bitcoins and change them into euro and donate the euro
265 2011-04-02 02:29:23 <isilion> volunteerism isnt illegal
266 2011-04-02 02:29:29 <[Tycho]> grbgout, it's the same as taking 3% from your payout. Isn't it ?
267 2011-04-02 02:29:40 <grbgout> [Tycho]: I don't think so. one sec
268 2011-04-02 02:29:42 <isilion> we can 'let the ppl find golden bits in our river'
269 2011-04-02 02:30:21 <grbgout> It could mean: (50 * (my shares/total shares)) - ((50 * (my shares/total shares)) * (3/100.0))
270 2011-04-02 02:30:57 <noagendamarket> when they declare bitcoin illegal I dont want to be on a list :)
271 2011-04-02 02:31:13 <noagendamarket> oh lets blame that guy
272 2011-04-02 02:31:14 <noagendamarket> lol
273 2011-04-02 02:31:27 <isilion> you, devs, are soooo funy :)
274 2011-04-02 02:31:30 <isilion> funny
275 2011-04-02 02:31:47 <noagendamarket> Im sure they would love to tattoo a bitcoin address on my arm...oh wait
276 2011-04-02 02:31:47 <[Tycho]> grbgout, if we assume that your share is 50%, then (50*0.97)/2 is the same as (50/2)*0.97
277 2011-04-02 02:32:07 <noagendamarket> thats been done before...
278 2011-04-02 02:32:09 <isilion> correct me if im wrong
279 2011-04-02 02:32:28 <isilion> but bicoin can use ips instead of bt addresses, right?
280 2011-04-02 02:32:40 <noagendamarket> yes
281 2011-04-02 02:33:34 <noagendamarket> that reminds me some company just offered anonymous vpn for bitcoins...
282 2011-04-02 02:33:36 <grbgout> [Tycho]: I'm not sure where that explanation came form, =D but I don't dispute the order of operations :)
283 2011-04-02 02:33:45 <isilion> is there any way to link that ip with a google account or email, and prove that way, thay "I send this, because this is my ip and my email' ?
284 2011-04-02 02:33:54 <isilion> that*
285 2011-04-02 02:33:56 <[Tycho]> grbgout, i mean that 3% is 3% in any case :) Ok.
286 2011-04-02 02:34:34 <[Tycho]> grbgout, do you know that my fee is almost lower than in other pools ? :)
287 2011-04-02 02:34:39 <noagendamarket> isilion I take it you wont be accepting cash as donations then ?
288 2011-04-02 02:34:41 <grbgout> [Tycho]: anyway, if you say the equation is a person's share of 48.5, then that's good enough for me.  I was just curious because it's not clear based on the way its written on the site.
289 2011-04-02 02:34:57 <isilion> the problem isnt the coin
290 2011-04-02 02:35:03 <isilion> is the way it is donated
291 2011-04-02 02:35:09 <grbgout> and I was just trying to explain how the way its written could be misinterpretted.
292 2011-04-02 02:35:18 <isilion> in Spain, political parties cannot accept anonymous donatives
293 2011-04-02 02:35:28 <isilion> in order to avoid corporativism
294 2011-04-02 02:35:28 <noagendamarket> wrong - the problem is the government :)
295 2011-04-02 02:35:29 <noagendamarket> or the law
296 2011-04-02 02:35:33 <noagendamarket> whatever that is
297 2011-04-02 02:35:34 <isilion> nope
298 2011-04-02 02:35:47 <isilion> we dont want the corps financiating the parties
299 2011-04-02 02:35:53 <isilion> just the votes
300 2011-04-02 02:35:56 <noagendamarket> well.
301 2011-04-02 02:35:57 <isilion> and the affiliates
302 2011-04-02 02:36:01 <isilion> pay to the partyes
303 2011-04-02 02:36:13 <isilion> and PP has an affiliation cuote on 0???
304 2011-04-02 02:36:16 <isilion> so ...
305 2011-04-02 02:36:25 <isilion> (no elections yet)
306 2011-04-02 02:36:26 <noagendamarket> the corps finance things now one way or the other
307 2011-04-02 02:36:56 <noagendamarket> or they pay off judges
308 2011-04-02 02:37:25 <isilion> the prob in spain is a large influence traffic
309 2011-04-02 02:37:29 <isilion> this law has sense
310 2011-04-02 02:37:52 <noagendamarket> the world is rooted
311 2011-04-02 02:38:00 <noagendamarket> hang on for the ride
312 2011-04-02 02:38:02 <noagendamarket> lol
313 2011-04-02 02:38:15 <isilion> if it were like USA, we would have a Fascist party gorberning...
314 2011-04-02 02:39:22 <isilion> i thoug at first it was a little pony from /b
315 2011-04-02 02:39:32 <JackRabiit> Lawl i dont know, i logged into chat and saw teh unicorn
316 2011-04-02 02:39:52 <noagendamarket> the eu  controls europe now so it doesnt matter what in=dividiual countries want
317 2011-04-02 02:40:04 <JackRabiit> Anyone wanna play Hold'em on Betco.in?
318 2011-04-02 02:40:20 <isilion> hope that JackRabiit
319 2011-04-02 02:40:27 <isilion> PP has representation in UE
320 2011-04-02 02:40:34 <noagendamarket> haiku herman is your unelected leader
321 2011-04-02 02:40:36 <noagendamarket> lol
322 2011-04-02 02:40:45 <isilion> the youngest chairman is a girl of PP with 23yo
323 2011-04-02 02:41:28 <isilion> its really a generational gap
324 2011-04-02 02:41:44 <isilion> the old continet.. is more like the aged continent
325 2011-04-02 02:41:52 <noagendamarket> the hippies are running things....
326 2011-04-02 02:42:02 <noagendamarket> or their generation is
327 2011-04-02 02:42:07 <noagendamarket> fail...
328 2011-04-02 02:42:10 <isilion> lol
329 2011-04-02 02:42:12 <isilion> xD
330 2011-04-02 02:42:26 <manveru> what's PP?
331 2011-04-02 02:42:27 <isilion> die hippies, die!!
332 2011-04-02 02:42:32 <isilion> PiratePartiet-ES
333 2011-04-02 02:42:36 <manveru> and UE?
334 2011-04-02 02:42:37 <isilion> :P
335 2011-04-02 02:42:46 <noagendamarket> Im in the bitcoin party
336 2011-04-02 02:42:48 <isilion> European Union in wrong order
337 2011-04-02 02:42:52 <isilion> spanish order
338 2011-04-02 02:42:54 <manveru> heh
339 2011-04-02 02:43:03 <noagendamarket> new world order....
340 2011-04-02 02:43:13 <isilion> the nwo will be spanish
341 2011-04-02 02:43:15 <isilion> no doubt
342 2011-04-02 02:43:19 <isilion> xD
343 2011-04-02 02:43:21 <lfm> if europe is the world
344 2011-04-02 02:43:40 <[Tycho]> Oh, so PP isn't PayPal...
345 2011-04-02 02:43:44 <noagendamarket> europe will have a civil war soon enough
346 2011-04-02 02:43:54 <isilion> you think? why????
347 2011-04-02 02:44:12 <lfm> more likely china will buy everything
348 2011-04-02 02:44:15 <isilion> whe had two world wars
349 2011-04-02 02:44:17 <manveru> somebody killing our crownprince again?
350 2011-04-02 02:44:17 <noagendamarket> lawl
351 2011-04-02 02:44:32 <isilion> and spain has its own civil 75 years ago
352 2011-04-02 02:44:50 <isilion> wounds are very deep
353 2011-04-02 02:44:55 <isilion> and still present
354 2011-04-02 02:45:05 <isilion> veterans still alive
355 2011-04-02 02:46:26 <isilion> damn, my own grandpa wanted to kill my other... i would never have born
356 2011-04-02 02:46:51 <manveru> i love this diagram: http://bigthink.com/ideas/31556
357 2011-04-02 02:47:27 <manveru> just shows how crazy things are still in europe :P
358 2011-04-02 02:49:44 <isilion> i read about policemen that were send to dissolve a socialist manifestation in Wisconsin or Idaho , that finally joined the manifestants
359 2011-04-02 02:49:57 <isilion> the entire world is cracy
360 2011-04-02 02:50:02 <jrabbit> French I assume?
361 2011-04-02 02:50:11 <jrabbit> you're translating poorly.
362 2011-04-02 02:50:27 <isilion> sorry just uncopetent
363 2011-04-02 02:50:32 <isilion> but Spanish
364 2011-04-02 02:50:36 <isilion> :)
365 2011-04-02 02:50:45 <manveru> hey, at least he's not breaking up
366 2011-04-02 02:51:25 <isilion> (better uncompetent rather than French lol :P)
367 2011-04-02 02:51:31 <jrabbit> lol
368 2011-04-02 02:52:07 <manveru> isilion: my parents are in gran canaria right now... but speak almost no spanish
369 2011-04-02 02:52:21 <isilion> lovely
370 2011-04-02 02:52:33 <manveru> they say it's like 50% german there
371 2011-04-02 02:52:54 <isilion> a lot of tourist buy here their summerhouse
372 2011-04-02 02:53:01 <isilion> Valencia it's the same
373 2011-04-02 02:53:15 <manveru> nice places :)
374 2011-04-02 02:53:29 <isilion> Yeah, nice corrupted places :)
375 2011-04-02 02:53:33 <manveru> lol
376 2011-04-02 02:53:35 <isilion> a lot od speculation
377 2011-04-02 02:53:43 <manveru> it's spain, after all
378 2011-04-02 02:53:47 <isilion> politicians build 10m from the sea
379 2011-04-02 02:53:55 <isilion> into the same sand itself
380 2011-04-02 02:53:55 <manveru> oO
381 2011-04-02 02:54:43 <isilion> the last year they came out with a law to demolish every construction on the beaches
382 2011-04-02 02:55:05 <isilion> they raped 'chiringuitos' (beach bar's) and left the hotels...
383 2011-04-02 02:55:09 <isilion> fuck
384 2011-04-02 02:55:25 <isilion> that really nonsense
385 2011-04-02 02:55:36 <da2ce7> :)
386 2011-04-02 02:55:53 <da2ce7> will bring all the bitcoin's he has donated to sexyfur with him.
387 2011-04-02 02:56:19 <isilion> better bring yourself a sexy fur if youre female
388 2011-04-02 02:56:21 <isilion> :P
389 2011-04-02 02:56:32 <da2ce7> LO
390 2011-04-02 02:56:34 <da2ce7> :O
391 2011-04-02 02:57:16 <isilion> well men
392 2011-04-02 02:57:20 <isilion> nice chatting
393 2011-04-02 02:57:22 <isilion> gotta go to sleep
394 2011-04-02 02:57:24 <da2ce7> keep safe!
395 2011-04-02 02:57:24 <isilion> cya
396 2011-04-02 02:57:41 <isilion> please add PP to that trading list page
397 2011-04-02 02:57:43 <isilion> :)
398 2011-04-02 02:57:46 <isilion> good bye!
399 2011-04-02 03:02:12 <gjs278> idnar:
400 2011-04-02 03:02:16 <gjs278> for the minecraft thing
401 2011-04-02 03:02:22 <gjs278> the dns entry is minecraft.net for the logins
402 2011-04-02 03:02:26 <gjs278> so you set minecraft.net to my ip
403 2011-04-02 03:02:46 <gjs278> and when you go to login, I always accept the login
404 2011-04-02 03:21:25 <CRISSY_CRISS_ton> OK. fail
405 2011-04-02 03:38:47 <bitcoiner> whats up with slush pool ?
406 2011-04-02 03:40:03 <[Tycho]> Something.
407 2011-04-02 03:45:43 <manveru> da2ce7: chrissy who?
408 2011-04-02 03:47:32 <da2ce7> http://www.myspace.com/djcrissycriss
409 2011-04-02 03:49:39 <da2ce7> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUTXvOiT-qo
410 2011-04-02 03:52:41 <bk128> yeah, slush pool site is down here too
411 2011-04-02 03:53:01 <da2ce7> the site seems to be down, but my miners are still mining.
412 2011-04-02 03:53:35 <bk128> good.  my miners are remote, harder for me to check them
413 2011-04-02 04:21:13 <theymos> I just enabled the "report to moderator" link on the forum. Is it showing up correctly for everyone, with no "logged" text and image?
414 2011-04-02 04:21:52 <tcatm> yep
415 2011-04-02 04:25:31 <jgarzik> tcatm: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=5314.0
416 2011-04-02 04:25:41 <jgarzik> tcatm: improved ServiceProxy, replacing python-jsonrpc
417 2011-04-02 04:25:43 <[Tycho]> theymos, so you are forum admin ? :)
418 2011-04-02 04:26:18 <theymos> Sirius runs the site. I am one of the admins.
419 2011-04-02 04:31:10 <tcatm> jgarzik: great :)
420 2011-04-02 04:50:50 <joepie92> mm, if anyone is interested
421 2011-04-02 04:50:58 <joepie92> .so TLD launched yesterday
422 2011-04-02 04:51:05 <joepie92> still a lot of wordlist words that are free
423 2011-04-02 04:51:16 <joepie92> also, if you plan on running a TOR node, get exitno.de, should also still be free
424 2011-04-02 04:52:24 <gjs278> dude... on a personal connection, I'd never run a tor node ever again
425 2011-04-02 04:52:54 <gjs278> you will basically be banned from everywhere
426 2011-04-02 04:53:17 <gjs278> you get like a week before wikipedia blocks you from ever editing articles under that ip
427 2011-04-02 04:53:28 <theymos> You can run a bridge node without risk.
428 2011-04-02 04:53:50 <gjs278> that's true, but I'd never touch exit node again
429 2011-04-02 04:54:43 <joepie92> meh, getting a domain for it is more for actual servers anyway
430 2011-04-02 04:54:44 <theymos> It does give some nice plausible deniability. No one can ever prove that you did something when anyone can use your IP address.
431 2011-04-02 04:54:55 <joepie92> yeah, for the price of half the internet banning you :P
432 2011-04-02 04:55:52 <joepie92> anyone searching for the name of a specific lib, will not end up on a google page (from the omnibar)
433 2011-04-02 04:55:55 <gjs278> that's going to screw with a bunch of google searches lol
434 2011-04-02 04:55:55 <joepie92> but on your domain instead
435 2011-04-02 04:55:58 <joepie92> exactly
436 2011-04-02 04:56:06 <joepie92> those who are in marketing might find that interesting :)
437 2011-04-02 04:56:56 <joepie92> also, just got http://volume.so
438 2011-04-02 04:57:54 <gjs278> hmm
439 2011-04-02 04:57:58 <gjs278> what's cool and ends in .so
440 2011-04-02 04:58:25 <gjs278> so.so of course
441 2011-04-02 04:59:49 <joepie92> min 3 chars
442 2011-04-02 04:59:53 <joepie92> 2 chars is reserved I believe
443 2011-04-02 04:59:55 <joepie92> for premium stuff
444 2011-04-02 05:00:01 <joepie92> espres.so is taken
445 2011-04-02 05:00:04 <joepie92> virtuo.so is also taken
446 2011-04-02 05:00:54 <gjs278> rever.so
447 2011-04-02 05:01:05 <gjs278> Picas.so
448 2011-04-02 05:01:15 <gjs278> Alfon.so
449 2011-04-02 05:01:50 <gjs278> not that many words
450 2011-04-02 05:02:22 <mizerydearia> Congratulations to wonko; winner of five witcoins of support!  http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=5271.msg77648#msg77648  I'm surprised barely anyone else participated and mostly everyone here ignored me.
451 2011-04-02 05:03:04 <mizerydearia> Perhaps the offer was premature or unworthy of attention
452 2011-04-02 05:03:47 <gjs278> my timezone still has april 1st... I'm submitting now
453 2011-04-02 05:04:18 <gjs278> if you ask, I think I live in the pacific ocean
454 2011-04-02 05:04:36 <joepie92> lol
455 2011-04-02 05:05:17 <mizerydearia> ^_^ "according to the server's time"
456 2011-04-02 05:05:32 <[Tycho]> Which server ? :))
457 2011-04-02 05:05:54 <mizerydearia> The only server that would make sense
458 2011-04-02 05:06:16 <mizerydearia> The one accessible at 199.6.1.164 / kernel.org obviously
459 2011-04-02 05:07:07 <[Tycho]> Does anyone use slush's JSON API with token ?
460 2011-04-02 05:14:49 <jgarzik> [Tycho]: token?
461 2011-04-02 05:14:58 <[Tycho]> Yes.
462 2011-04-02 05:15:07 <jgarzik> [Tycho]: token what?
463 2011-04-02 05:15:35 <[Tycho]> API token
464 2011-04-02 05:16:02 <[Tycho]> I'm talking about his API for retrieving account stats.
465 2011-04-02 05:16:45 <joepie92> does anyone here know of any places to find creative commons content, besides jamendo and flickr?
466 2011-04-02 05:17:04 <joepie92> preferably with an API of some sorts
467 2011-04-02 05:17:06 <joepie92> or database dumps
468 2011-04-02 05:17:12 <joepie92> anything that can be processed automatically
469 2011-04-02 05:25:03 <gjs278> go process a db dump of wikipedia
470 2011-04-02 05:25:08 <gjs278> that should keep you busy
471 2011-04-02 05:29:37 <joepie92> lol
472 2011-04-02 05:30:43 <nathan7> That's the thingy GPL, no?
473 2011-04-02 05:30:46 <nathan7> the GPL for documents thing
474 2011-04-02 05:31:00 <nathan7> It has a name..
475 2011-04-02 05:31:20 <joepie92> wikipedia is CC now
476 2011-04-02 05:31:20 <nathan7> Oh, it's CC now.
477 2011-04-02 05:31:23 <joepie92> they changed
478 2011-04-02 05:31:29 <nathan7> Mhm
479 2011-04-02 05:31:31 <joepie92> after a lot of internal fighting and butthurt, afaik
480 2011-04-02 05:31:34 <nathan7> I think I once got an email on that.
481 2011-04-02 05:31:58 <nathan7> Hmm, .nl
482 2011-04-02 05:31:59 <joepie92> netherlands, howso? :P
483 2011-04-02 05:32:06 <theymos> They actually got GNU to temporarily chance the terms of the GFDL so that it could be converted.
484 2011-04-02 05:32:12 <joepie92> lol.
485 2011-04-02 05:32:16 <nathan7> Heh.
486 2011-04-02 05:32:25 <joepie92> not sure if that's a good or a bad thing
487 2011-04-02 05:32:58 <joepie92> my god.
488 2011-04-02 05:33:55 <nathan7> I /so/ want to stab someone in the face over that
489 2011-04-02 05:41:29 <joepie92> hahaha
490 2011-04-02 05:47:01 <[Tycho]> Nice if he is paid by number of code lines :)
491 2011-04-02 05:54:39 <nathan7> q=
492 2011-04-02 05:56:47 <nathan7> TROLOLO
493 2011-04-02 05:57:54 <mizerydearia> nathan7, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbYtqAWDF2U
494 2011-04-02 05:58:54 <nathan7> "Gunther-ding ding dong"
495 2011-04-02 05:59:32 <nathan7> wtf is that
496 2011-04-02 06:03:09 <joepie92> http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/A-Spoonful-of-Sugar.aspx
497 2011-04-02 06:04:47 <[Tycho]> https://www.google.com/trends?q=bitcoin&ctab=0&geo=all&date=ytd&sort=0
498 2011-04-02 06:05:15 <Diablo-D3> joepie92: but
499 2011-04-02 06:05:17 <Diablo-D3> why didnt he
500 2011-04-02 06:05:18 <Diablo-D3> just
501 2011-04-02 06:05:26 <Diablo-D3> "" EQ Trim(shit)/
502 2011-04-02 06:06:21 <joepie92> oh, god
503 2011-04-02 06:06:22 <joepie92> http://thedailywtf.com/Comments/Logging-the-Logger.aspx
504 2011-04-02 06:06:48 <Diablo-D3> joepie92: there are languages where thats actually correct
505 2011-04-02 06:06:57 <Diablo-D3> since "".equals(null) == false
506 2011-04-02 06:07:07 <joepie92> it's not about being correct, lol
507 2011-04-02 06:07:15 <joepie92> it's more about style of coding
508 2011-04-02 06:08:14 <joepie92> also, regarding the logging
509 2011-04-02 06:08:29 <joepie92> I wonder if they also have a try catch on the printstacktrace
510 2011-04-02 06:08:32 <joepie92> and if that also logs...
511 2011-04-02 06:08:40 <joepie92> would make a fun infinite loop
512 2011-04-02 06:08:44 <joepie92> if something went wrong
513 2011-04-02 06:10:25 <Diablo-D3> also
514 2011-04-02 06:10:31 <Diablo-D3> ....
515 2011-04-02 06:10:40 <Diablo-D3> what happens if their javaee container logs stdout?
516 2011-04-02 06:52:27 <joepie92> <Diablo-D3>what happens if their javaee container logs stdout?
517 2011-04-02 06:52:30 <joepie92> very good question
518 2011-04-02 06:53:12 <joepie92> actually a friend of mine once did something like that
519 2011-04-02 06:53:19 <joepie92> make a custom function writeLog
520 2011-04-02 06:53:39 <joepie92> that essentially wrote the given data into a file
521 2011-04-02 06:53:42 <joepie92> and then output it on console
522 2011-04-02 06:53:57 <joepie92> and just output an error message on the console if something went wrong (aka file not writable)
523 2011-04-02 06:54:14 <joepie92> then he did a search and replace to change all console.writeLines to writeLog()....
524 2011-04-02 06:54:17 <joepie92> you can imagine what happened, I think
525 2011-04-02 06:56:03 <mizerydearia> For an open source software platform running on a website in which the site generates profits, what seems like a fair method of distributing site profits to all developmental participants and contributors to make the site as it is?
526 2011-04-02 06:59:39 <gjs278> umm, not splitting it with ANYONE, keeping the leftover money to make sure the site stays afloat, or upgrading tech on it
527 2011-04-02 07:03:17 <slush> hm, bitcoind on webserver crashed again
528 2011-04-02 07:03:39 <[Tycho]> Oh, you noticed it :)
529 2011-04-02 07:04:12 <slush> stop the irony, I have to sleep sometimes
530 2011-04-02 07:04:13 <tcatm> slush: anything in debug.log?
531 2011-04-02 07:04:26 <joepie92> real developers do not sleep.
532 2011-04-02 07:04:27 <joepie92> they powernap.
533 2011-04-02 07:04:28 <joepie92> :3
534 2011-04-02 07:04:40 <Myckel> looks like Bitcoin Central isn't the only one with crashing clients on servers
535 2011-04-02 07:04:45 <[Tycho]> Because of that i had to check poclbm-gui source for your json api format instead of just trying.
536 2011-04-02 07:05:19 <tcatm> slush: and are you running the deadlock fix path?
537 2011-04-02 07:05:24 <gjs278> slush you should consider installing monit on the server
538 2011-04-02 07:05:42 <gjs278> it can track pids or services and take appropriate steps based on any conditions like the service not being online
539 2011-04-02 07:06:02 <[Tycho]> slush, sorry.
540 2011-04-02 07:06:05 <gjs278> I use it to restart my vpn connection whenever it dies for me
541 2011-04-02 07:06:19 <tcatm> while true; do bitcoind -daemon=0; sleep 5;done should work, too ;)
542 2011-04-02 07:06:21 <slush> tcatm: I think it is similar problem like mndrix reported, it freezed during payouts
543 2011-04-02 07:06:34 <slush> tcatm: but I don't know that there is some patch already
544 2011-04-02 07:06:54 <slush> tcatm: bitcoind didn't crashed, it freezed
545 2011-04-02 07:07:16 <tcatm> try https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/136.patch
546 2011-04-02 07:07:17 <gjs278> does bitcoind open a specific port
547 2011-04-02 07:07:47 <tcatm> gjs278: yep, 8332 und 8333
548 2011-04-02 07:07:55 <tcatm> you could monitor 8332 using getinfo
549 2011-04-02 07:07:58 <gjs278> yep
550 2011-04-02 07:08:07 <gjs278> try and hit 8332, it hangs, bitcoind is dead
551 2011-04-02 07:11:07 <slush> tcatm: last lines before freeze:
552 2011-04-02 07:11:09 <slush> accepted connection
553 2011-04-02 07:11:10 <slush> IRC got join
554 2011-04-02 07:11:11 <slush> IRC got join
555 2011-04-02 07:11:12 <slush> IRC got join
556 2011-04-02 07:11:21 <slush> IRC got join
557 2011-04-02 07:11:22 <slush> IRC got join
558 2011-04-02 07:11:44 <tcatm> anything with ThreadRPC in it?
559 2011-04-02 07:12:04 <tcatm> or does that server only serve getwork?
560 2011-04-02 07:13:10 <gjs278> the bitcoind crashing only effected payouts and the website, right? none of the block shares were hurt by it being down?
561 2011-04-02 07:13:31 <slush> tcatm: no, it's only accounting node, no getworks
562 2011-04-02 07:13:48 <slush> gjs278: exactly
563 2011-04-02 07:14:07 <slush> I have those problems only on accounting node, getwork nodes never crashed like this
564 2011-04-02 07:15:31 <gjs278> bitcoind needs some pid file support if it doesn't have it already
565 2011-04-02 07:15:42 <nathan7> Indeedles
566 2011-04-02 07:15:46 <tcatm> gjs278: write a patch :)
567 2011-04-02 07:16:05 <gjs278> I've done this in perl once lol
568 2011-04-02 07:16:09 <gjs278> and that was using their module
569 2011-04-02 07:16:21 <tcatm> slush: that really sounds like the deadlock problem
570 2011-04-02 07:17:19 <nathan7> Tdzhtzfbtdz.
571 2011-04-02 07:26:07 <gjs278> what package is db_cxx.h
572 2011-04-02 07:26:30 <Diablo-D3> libdb4.7++
573 2011-04-02 07:26:36 <Diablo-D3> it should be obvious
574 2011-04-02 07:29:02 <Sami345> My bitcoin has problems with connecting to the network
575 2011-04-02 07:29:34 <Sami345> it hardly finds 1 connection for a few minutes and then again 0 connections
576 2011-04-02 07:30:14 <gjs278> lies http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/7456/screenshotzp.png
577 2011-04-02 07:33:09 <FellowTraveler> hi all
578 2011-04-02 07:35:51 <Myckel> Hi FellowTraveler
579 2011-04-02 07:37:03 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: why the fuck are you using... gentoo?
580 2011-04-02 07:37:05 <Diablo-D3> whatever that is
581 2011-04-02 07:37:34 <[Tycho]> JSON API is implemented in my pool, if someone is interested in that.
582 2011-04-02 07:37:51 <xelister> "<Diablo-D3> gjs278: why the fuck are you using... gentoo?"   mphphphhhhhhhh.
583 2011-04-02 07:37:54 <Diablo-D3> json api is implemented in my pool
584 2011-04-02 07:37:59 <xelister> someone should bash it (without the context) ;)
585 2011-04-02 07:40:18 <gjs278> my god man, you've never heard of gentoo
586 2011-04-02 07:45:07 <Myckel> gjs278, there is an ebuild for bitcoin.
587 2011-04-02 07:45:10 <Diablo-D3> uh, are you retarded?
588 2011-04-02 07:45:16 <xelister> trololololol
589 2011-04-02 07:45:50 <gjs278> the ebuild for db-4.7 just didn't put db_cxx in the right spot
590 2011-04-02 07:45:59 <gjs278> it put it up a dir since you can have multiple db versions
591 2011-04-02 07:46:19 <Myckel> gjs278, db is slotted on gentoo
592 2011-04-02 07:46:26 <gjs278> yes it is
593 2011-04-02 07:46:49 <gjs278> I symlinked 4.7 to the spot bitcoin checks
594 2011-04-02 07:47:28 <Myckel> also make sure the ncxx use flag isn't set
595 2011-04-02 07:47:33 <Myckel> *nocxx
596 2011-04-02 07:47:37 <Myckel> ;)
597 2011-04-02 07:47:41 <gjs278> yeah that would be fun
598 2011-04-02 07:48:18 <Myckel> ugh... the weekly horror is going through the street.
599 2011-04-02 07:49:16 <Myckel> horror == barrel organ
600 2011-04-02 07:52:17 <gjs278> everyone's run dir for pidfiles is /var/run right
601 2011-04-02 07:52:48 <Myckel> yes
602 2011-04-02 07:53:13 <Myckel> well, system services
603 2011-04-02 07:54:06 <grbgout> gjs278: there's a #bitcoin-gentoo channel, fyi.
604 2011-04-02 07:54:50 <Myckel> grbgout, thanks for the tip ;)
605 2011-04-02 07:54:55 <grbgout> ;)
606 2011-04-02 07:55:02 <grbgout> thank mizerydearia
607 2011-04-02 07:55:16 <mizerydearia> oh?
608 2011-04-02 07:55:28 <grbgout> for bitcoin-gentoo
609 2011-04-02 07:55:31 <mizerydearia> ah
610 2011-04-02 07:55:59 <mizerydearia> <grbgout> Hello matt, g'bye matt ^_^
611 2011-04-02 07:56:02 <lfm> you mean blame him
612 2011-04-02 07:56:09 <grbgout> lfm: that too ;)
613 2011-04-02 07:56:09 <mizerydearia> yar, sorrry, that's what I meant
614 2011-04-02 08:15:51 <Myckel> We need another euro exchange... Davout is being to slow with handeling funds at Bitcoin Central (>2 weeks now).
615 2011-04-02 08:16:51 <theorbtwo> Ouch.
616 2011-04-02 08:16:59 <theorbtwo> bitcoin-otc no good for you?
617 2011-04-02 08:28:07 <Myckel> theorbtwo, no, for multiple reasons.
618 2011-04-02 08:35:45 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: wallet protocol: does a "miner" need auth to do anything more than just what a miner does? ie request next block headers? IMHO if you have a miner auth, people should be able to just expose that and not have to worry about any kind of leakage of info
619 2011-04-02 08:38:15 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: IMHO, the ability to propose a tx is needless fluff.  IMHO, the protocol should be very simple which yours somewhat is, but complicating it for such things adds very little advantage for a ton of work
620 2011-04-02 08:39:29 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: IMHO, the "merchant" auth doesnt add anything that couldnt and shouldnt be done via a wrapper to the protocol
621 2011-04-02 08:39:51 <BlueMatt> which is another reason why Im not a big fan of making clients which try to use SPDY
622 2011-04-02 08:40:41 <BlueMatt> IMHO http is adventageous as I can write a php wrapper which checks auth against my own db and returns the proper stuff after calling via the wallet protocol.  SPDY just complicates that
623 2011-04-02 08:50:29 <gjs278> tcatm I finished pidfile support
624 2011-04-02 08:50:58 <gjs278> I had to modify init.cpp, util.h, util.cpp
625 2011-04-02 08:51:13 <gjs278> I can't tell if I'm crossplatform enough though
626 2011-04-02 08:51:22 <gjs278> int pid = (int) getpid(); will that work on windows
627 2011-04-02 08:53:06 <gjs278> restarting X, brb
628 2011-04-02 09:01:48 <gjs278> actually scratch that, I'll use the pid_t it already has
629 2011-04-02 09:04:48 <gjs278> can someone who deals with the actual bitcoind development take a look at http://www.garyshood.com/bitcoin/pid.patch and tell me if it looks okay
630 2011-04-02 09:06:32 <tcatm> Why do you add an empty line in init.cpp?
631 2011-04-02 09:07:35 <gjs278> hmm
632 2011-04-02 09:07:40 <gjs278> not sure
633 2011-04-02 09:07:44 <gjs278> that part can be ignored
634 2011-04-02 09:08:36 <tcatm> Also your variable names aren't following the guidelines.
635 2011-04-02 09:08:49 <sipa> i suppose it should be "nPid"
636 2011-04-02 09:09:18 <gjs278> ok
637 2011-04-02 09:09:23 <gjs278> so just nPid then?
638 2011-04-02 09:09:42 <sipa> pathConfig isn't following the convention either
639 2011-04-02 09:09:58 <sipa> and the braces around the CreatePidFile() call aren't indented correctly
640 2011-04-02 09:10:02 <gjs278> I copied a function that has it
641 2011-04-02 09:10:05 <gjs278> pathConfig that is
642 2011-04-02 09:10:28 <sipa> oh wait, path is the prefix there
643 2011-04-02 09:10:30 <gjs278> GetConfigFile has pathConfig
644 2011-04-02 09:10:41 <sipa> yes, i'm mistaken
645 2011-04-02 09:11:17 <gjs278> how should the braces be on CreatePidFile
646 2011-04-02 09:11:56 <gjs278> also I'm only using pid because the original was         pid_t pid = fork();
647 2011-04-02 09:12:12 <tcatm> 4 spaces per indent level
648 2011-04-02 09:12:41 <sipa> anyway, semantically it looks good to me
649 2011-04-02 09:12:47 <gjs278> did I have 3 on a line or something
650 2011-04-02 09:13:10 <gjs278> I don't see where the messup is... unless git put it there on me when I diffed
651 2011-04-02 09:13:42 <tcatm> using pid is okay.
652 2011-04-02 09:13:48 <gjs278> what var is messed up then
653 2011-04-02 09:13:50 <tcatm> you are using tabs, not spaces to indent
654 2011-04-02 09:14:15 <xelister> like a man
655 2011-04-02 09:14:17 <gjs278> oh ok
656 2011-04-02 09:14:19 <gjs278> yeah
657 2011-04-02 09:14:28 <tcatm> same as sipa, I also thought that patchConfig was "wrong". sorry
658 2011-04-02 09:15:05 <gjs278> okay repatching it...
659 2011-04-02 09:15:29 <sipa> tcatm: can you explain why "pid" is right?
660 2011-04-02 09:16:32 <gjs278> I'm just going by what this thing already had in it lol
661 2011-04-02 09:17:06 <gjs278> http://www.garyshood.com/bitcoin/pid.patch took out the empty space I don't know if my editor put any other bs in there that it shouldnt have
662 2011-04-02 09:17:09 <tcatm> sipa: I checked previous versions. They used pid, too. Well, yes, it should be renamed but not in this patch.
663 2011-04-02 09:18:26 <tcatm> gjs278: there are still tabs before the braces around CreatePidFile(GEt..
664 2011-04-02 09:18:45 <gjs278> lol
665 2011-04-02 09:18:47 <gjs278> damn
666 2011-04-02 09:18:48 <gjs278> ok
667 2011-04-02 09:19:12 <tcatm> :%s/<TAB>/    /g if you use vim
668 2011-04-02 09:19:28 <gjs278> 3rd time charm
669 2011-04-02 09:19:37 <gjs278> yeah I just search replaced to catch them all, it was only those two
670 2011-04-02 09:20:42 <tcatm> so, when your patch is ready make a pull request: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4571.0
671 2011-04-02 09:21:01 <gjs278> I believe it is
672 2011-04-02 09:21:08 <gjs278> dahhh
673 2011-04-02 09:21:10 <gjs278> github account
674 2011-04-02 09:33:21 <gjs278> okay I think I did the pull tcatm
675 2011-04-02 09:45:26 <tcatm> what's the fastest way to calculate the number of coins from height?
676 2011-04-02 09:45:49 <tcatm> sum(50/(2**int(h/21e4)) for h in xrange(height)) is a little slow
677 2011-04-02 09:49:48 <sipa> you can probably group them by int(h/21e4), count those, and multiply that by 50/(2**int(h/21e4))
678 2011-04-02 09:50:01 <sipa> oh wait
679 2011-04-02 09:50:45 <tcatm> could work
680 2011-04-02 09:51:50 <sipa> if you use a temporary table, you can do it even a lot faster
681 2011-04-02 09:52:00 <sipa> s/temporary//
682 2011-04-02 09:53:25 <sipa> cache the counts at block height 0, 210000, 420000, 630000, ...
683 2011-04-02 10:01:02 <tcatm> mhm
684 2011-04-02 10:01:13 <tcatm> how many coins will exist at block 1000000?
685 2011-04-02 10:01:36 <tcatm> bbe says 20187550.00000000, my sum() returns 20010000
686 2011-04-02 10:11:45 <sipa> bbe is correct :)
687 2011-04-02 10:12:07 <sipa> tcatm: you should count in base units, not bitcoins
688 2011-04-02 10:12:18 <sipa> and round those down to integer values in your calculation
689 2011-04-02 10:12:27 <sipa> and divide by 1e8 afterwards
690 2011-04-02 10:12:51 <tcatm> 20187500.0
691 2011-04-02 10:12:57 <tcatm> that's 50 less than bbe
692 2011-04-02 10:13:29 <tcatm> oh I'm missing the genesis block
693 2011-04-02 10:13:32 <sipa> don't forget the genesis block
694 2011-04-02 10:13:50 <sipa> which has height 0
695 2011-04-02 10:14:51 <lfm> what is the first block with 25 reward?
696 2011-04-02 10:15:48 <lfm> 210000 or 210001?
697 2011-04-02 10:15:57 <sipa> 210000 i believe
698 2011-04-02 10:16:45 <tcatm> yep, 210000 / 210000 = 1
699 2011-04-02 10:16:51 <sipa> yes, 210000 (checked the source)
700 2011-04-02 10:17:05 <lfm> k good
701 2011-04-02 10:17:27 <sipa> otherwise there would be 210001 blocks with 50 subsidy, and only 210000 for each other distinct subsidy
702 2011-04-02 10:22:20 <lfm> so if you include block 1000000 I get a total of 20187503.12
703 2011-04-02 10:23:17 <sipa> you're right
704 2011-04-02 10:23:22 <sipa> .125 even
705 2011-04-02 10:23:28 <lfm> actually 20187503.125
706 2011-04-02 10:23:31 <lfm> ya
707 2011-04-02 10:24:00 <sipa> guess BBE is wrong, then
708 2011-04-02 10:24:45 <lfm> well after 1000000 blocks you get that other answer, after block 1000000 you get the other
709 2011-04-02 10:25:04 <lfm> other other
710 2011-04-02 10:25:36 <tcatm> lfm: how did you calculate that value?
711 2011-04-02 10:25:45 <sipa> i get the exact same number
712 2011-04-02 10:25:53 <lfm> spread sheet
713 2011-04-02 10:26:27 <tcatm> I now have 50*sum([min(21e4,h-21e4*k)/2**k for k in xrange(int(h/21e4)+1)])+50 which returns 20187550.0 for h=1000000
714 2011-04-02 10:26:59 <lfm> for block 1000000 you need h = 1000001
715 2011-04-02 10:27:13 <joepie92> doingitwrong.jpg -> http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/201007/err/numbercalculatingqueuepositionsmall.jpg
716 2011-04-02 10:27:21 <sipa> for block 1000000 you need the sum of blocks of values 0 up to and including 1000000
717 2011-04-02 10:27:31 <sipa> s/values/heights/
718 2011-04-02 10:29:13 <tcatm> lfm: thanks!
719 2011-04-02 10:30:03 <tcatm> so we have 50*sum(min(21e4,(h+1)-21e4*k)/2**k,k,0,floor((h+1)/21e4)+1)) now
720 2011-04-02 10:30:05 <sipa> what do you get for total btc at height 210000 ?
721 2011-04-02 10:30:20 <tcatm> 10500025.0
722 2011-04-02 10:30:24 <lfm> 10500000.000
723 2011-04-02 10:30:35 <lfm> oh ya
724 2011-04-02 10:30:42 <sipa> and 420001 ?
725 2011-04-02 10:30:55 <tcatm> 15750025.0
726 2011-04-02 10:31:01 <sipa> wrong
727 2011-04-02 10:31:08 <lfm> 420001??
728 2011-04-02 10:31:17 <sipa> oh sorry
729 2011-04-02 10:31:28 <sipa> 420000, so h=420001
730 2011-04-02 10:31:37 <sipa> yes you're right
731 2011-04-02 10:32:03 <sipa> at 420000 it should be 15750012.5
732 2011-04-02 10:32:14 <tcatm> yep
733 2011-04-02 10:33:24 <tcatm> is it possible to write min(21e4,(h+1)-21e4*k) without the min()?
734 2011-04-02 10:34:09 <lfm> tcatm except it will be wrong when it starts getting smaller than microcents
735 2011-04-02 10:35:01 <tcatm> well that's easy. min(21e6, 50*sum(min(21e4,(h+1)-21e4*k)/2**k,k,0,floor((h+1)/21e4)+1)))
736 2011-04-02 10:35:26 <sipa> how many at block 10000000 ?
737 2011-04-02 10:35:51 <sipa> should be 20999999.9769
738 2011-04-02 10:35:56 <tcatm> 20999999.999999899
739 2011-04-02 10:36:02 <sipa> hmm
740 2011-04-02 10:36:16 <tcatm> mhm mkay so I need to round the values while summing
741 2011-04-02 10:36:22 <sipa> yes
742 2011-04-02 10:36:47 <sipa> work with base units, round those down, multipla and sum them, and then divide by 1e8
743 2011-04-02 10:37:41 <tcatm> If it works with floats it'll be a good proof that floats in JSON are okay for bitcoins :)
744 2011-04-02 10:37:58 <lfm> tcatm well doubles
745 2011-04-02 10:38:29 <lfm> and yes doubles should be ok
746 2011-04-02 10:38:33 <sipa> i'm not sure
747 2011-04-02 10:38:40 <sipa> they should be, but you should be careful
748 2011-04-02 10:40:50 <tcatm> mhm when using baseunits and int() I get 20999999.999992501 for 10000000
749 2011-04-02 10:43:22 <tcatm> [5000000000, 2500000000, 1250000000, 625000000, 312500000, 156250000, 78125000, 39062500, 19531250, 9765625, 4882812, 2441406, 1220703, 610351, 305175, 152587, 76293, 38146, 19073, 9536, 4768, 2384, 1192, 596, 298, 149, 74, 37, 18, 9, 4, 2, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0]
750 2011-04-02 10:43:32 <tcatm> rewards per 210000 interval
751 2011-04-02 10:43:44 <tcatm> per block :)
752 2011-04-02 10:44:40 <sipa> .999992501... 9 decimals?
753 2011-04-02 10:44:52 <CIA-96> bitcoin: genjix * rccaa3a619601 intersango/withdraw.php: BUGFIX: withdraw truncate is too excessive. http://tinyurl.com/3ncl7j7
754 2011-04-02 10:44:53 <CIA-96> bitcoin: genjix * r6b3c8db2b62e intersango/cron/verify_withdrawals_bitcoin.php: BUGFIX: verif with truncate is too excessive. http://tinyurl.com/3uxudoo
755 2011-04-02 10:44:56 <tcatm> probably caused by the /1e8
756 2011-04-02 10:45:08 <tcatm> 2099999999999250 baseunits
757 2011-04-02 10:46:19 <tcatm> hmm
758 2011-04-02 10:47:48 <sipa> he last block that will generate coins will be block #6,929,999. This should be generated around year 2140. Then the total number of coins in circulation will remain static at 20,999,999.9769 BTC.
759 2011-04-02 10:47:52 <sipa> from the wiki
760 2011-04-02 10:48:17 <tcatm> 2099999874000000.0 for h = 10000000
761 2011-04-02 10:54:53 <CIA-96> bitcoin: genjix * r0c9f84ecef2e intersango/withdraw.php: withdraw truncates before doing checks. http://tinyurl.com/4x2vfqe
762 2011-04-02 11:11:37 <tcatm> sipa: f(h) = sum(min(21e4,(h+1)-21e4*k)*int(50e8/2**k),k,0,(int((h+1)/21e4)+1))/1e8  should be correct
763 2011-04-02 11:15:29 <sipa> what do you get at 10 million now?
764 2011-04-02 11:15:57 <RedCPU> Hi
765 2011-04-02 11:16:03 <RedCPU> is this for forex market?
766 2011-04-02 11:16:39 <sipa> how do you mean?
767 2011-04-02 11:16:49 <nathan7> HALT, IT IS THE TIME OF THE HAMMER
768 2011-04-02 11:17:05 <tcatm> 20999999.9769
769 2011-04-02 11:17:14 <RedCPU> dev. so it is a software channel
770 2011-04-02 11:17:22 <tcatm> using doubles
771 2011-04-02 11:17:35 <RedCPU> i came from economics room
772 2011-04-02 11:17:54 <sipa> RedCPU: there's #bitcoin-otc, that's a bit less software-related
773 2011-04-02 11:18:00 <sipa> or #bitcoin-discussion
774 2011-04-02 11:18:36 <RedCPU> thanks, but before i go this software is it for share ?
775 2011-04-02 11:18:50 <sipa> bitcoin is entirely free
776 2011-04-02 11:19:00 <sipa> the software is open source
777 2011-04-02 11:19:06 <nathan7> it is FREEEE
778 2011-04-02 11:19:14 <nathan7> like in freedom
779 2011-04-02 11:19:16 <nathan7> not beer
780 2011-04-02 11:19:19 <nathan7> beer is untasty.
781 2011-04-02 11:19:22 <sipa> actually, like in both
782 2011-04-02 11:19:32 <nathan7> sipa: I don't know what freedom tastes like
783 2011-04-02 11:19:46 <sipa> :D
784 2011-04-02 11:20:08 <nathan7> whoa, WHOA
785 2011-04-02 11:20:10 <nathan7> what is this place
786 2011-04-02 11:20:20 <nathan7> is it is it outer space
787 2011-04-02 11:22:01 <RedCPU> Thanks is it like egold
788 2011-04-02 11:22:14 <nathan7> no, it's magical
789 2011-04-02 11:22:19 <nathan7> No central authority
790 2011-04-02 11:22:29 <nathan7> Only /you/ are in control of your money.
791 2011-04-02 11:22:35 <nathan7> and if you lose it it's your own damn problem
792 2011-04-02 11:22:40 <sipa> its value is determined by supply and demand
793 2011-04-02 11:23:27 <RedCPU> so to use this software i open an account then send money to it! but from were i can buy i mean what websotre or website ?
794 2011-04-02 11:23:46 <RedCPU> np i will ask in the discussion room
795 2011-04-02 11:23:46 <sipa> you don't open an account
796 2011-04-02 11:38:08 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
797 2011-04-02 11:38:08 <luke-jr> ;;later tell BlueMatt security is completely left to the Wallet for the most part; there is nothing special/complicated about the suggested merchant account, which is only really for portable devices that the user is going to be using at retail stores in person
798 2011-04-02 11:39:30 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
799 2011-04-02 11:39:30 <luke-jr> ;;later tell BlueMatt SPDY has nothing to do with merchants, and is useful primarily for user interfaces, which need multiple parallel requests. everything else can use HTTP.
800 2011-04-02 11:54:10 <RedCPU> anyone have patent an invantion?
801 2011-04-02 11:55:05 <RedCPU> or do you think i can find a chat room for invantors (people how invante new products)?
802 2011-04-02 11:56:28 <nathan7> ##electronics invents shit all the time (=
803 2011-04-02 11:57:45 <RedCPU> THanks nathan7 i forogot about electrnics people ! yes, it may help out
804 2011-04-02 12:42:17 <lfm> tcatm: sum k=0..1e6  floor(5e9/2^floor(k/21e4))*1e8
805 2011-04-02 12:42:35 <ray7> is there someone i could talk to you in private about how e-currency works etc.
806 2011-04-02 12:42:49 <lfm> ray why private?
807 2011-04-02 12:43:00 <ray7> im shy
808 2011-04-02 12:43:11 <lfm> no one is listening
809 2011-04-02 12:45:10 <sipa> please, ask all you want :)
810 2011-04-02 12:53:08 <luke-jr> github is so annoyingly unreliable
811 2011-04-02 12:53:26 <luke-jr> BitGit emails me like 100 times every day because repositories are unreachable
812 2011-04-02 13:01:02 <lfm> I know it can be a problem in some places if you are cashing out too much money like that. I dont know what volume you are looking at
813 2011-04-02 13:41:00 <lfm> well the anonymity of bitcoin is somewhat limited. the actuall transactions are public knowledge, just who owns what bitcoin address is anonymous unless you reveal it. and you do have to reveal some addresses to make deals with your customers and with the moeny exchanges.
814 2011-04-02 13:42:09 <nathan7> lfm: you can have a new address for each transaction
815 2011-04-02 13:43:03 <genjix> ray7: ask me if need be.
816 2011-04-02 13:45:39 <mizerydearia> Would anyone be more intereted and/or more inclined to use the site, participate in the community if witcoin were open source?
817 2011-04-02 13:45:50 <mizerydearia> Anyone else?
818 2011-04-02 13:50:55 <genjix> mizerydearia: i dont know. dont want to pressure you into doing it (really :p mostly im half joking when i saw that)
819 2011-04-02 13:51:21 <genjix> but it wont do harm, and it's good for everyone to share
820 2011-04-02 13:51:34 <mizerydearia> Well
821 2011-04-02 13:52:10 <mizerydearia> I have been contemplating that if it is established as open source, would it then possibly be more successful than it is now?
822 2011-04-02 13:52:28 <mizerydearia> And not just for myself, but for everyone participating.
823 2011-04-02 13:53:14 <mizerydearia> Or does open sourcing not directly affect or offer more or less success?
824 2011-04-02 13:53:46 <genjix> open sourcing is not magic pixel dust
825 2011-04-02 13:53:52 <genjix> it's a different mindset
826 2011-04-02 13:55:30 <mizerydearia> One thing I have been contemplating, is how to implement a fair distribution of profits for all open source contributors, each having their own level or amount of contributions, as well as each contribution requiring varying amounts of skill and time to accomplish.
827 2011-04-02 13:55:53 <mizerydearia> It seems a bit complicated to think about
828 2011-04-02 14:07:59 <BurtyB> genjix problems with britcoin?
829 2011-04-02 14:14:05 <genjix> BurtyB: is it not loading for you?
830 2011-04-02 14:14:12 <genjix> seems fine here.
831 2011-04-02 14:18:01 <genjix> it seems bitcoin has crashed... wtf
832 2011-04-02 14:18:34 <BurtyB> genjix yeah sorry it wasn't loading and spitting out errors
833 2011-04-02 14:19:03 <genjix> thanks BurtyB. was it errors to do with timeouts or bitcoin?
834 2011-04-02 14:19:45 <BurtyB> Warning: fopen(http://...@127.0.0.1:8332/): failed to open stream: HTTP request failed!...
835 2011-04-02 14:21:00 <genjix> yep
836 2011-04-02 14:21:25 <genjix> ok it is fixed. thanks for that.
837 2011-04-02 14:33:38 <genjix> how comes the cost / btc on britcoin is 0.58, but the comparitive cost on mtgox (denominated USD -> GBP) is 0.48?
838 2011-04-02 14:34:52 <genjix> high demand? then why is the volume low... doesn't make sense.
839 2011-04-02 14:35:58 <comboy> genjix: maybe it is less effiecient to mine in britain
840 2011-04-02 14:36:14 <comboy> electronics price or electricity or smthg
841 2011-04-02 14:46:26 <Stellar> ;;bc,estimate
842 2011-04-02 14:46:27 <gribble> 80187.10927727
843 2011-04-02 14:46:35 <Stellar> o_0;
844 2011-04-02 14:46:42 <Stellar> wtf..
845 2011-04-02 14:47:41 <Stellar> ;;bc,stats
846 2011-04-02 14:47:43 <gribble> Current Blocks: 116348 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 579 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 7 hours, 27 minutes, and 6 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 80187.10927727
847 2011-04-02 14:49:23 <jasonphd> to  test a proof of work, you double hash256 the submitted data and make sure that the result is less than the target difficulty..... but what exactly do you double hash?  it doesn't appear to be a double hash of the entire submitted data, but only the first 160 characters or so, and it appears you need to reverse/flip it first, but i can't find any documentation detailing the exact process.
848 2011-04-02 14:53:13 <andrew12> ;;bc,mtgox
849 2011-04-02 14:53:13 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.797,"low":0.7741,"vol":2260,"buy":0.7803,"sell":0.7944,"last":0.7802}}
850 2011-04-02 15:24:24 <mjsbuddha> lively group today. i figured it would be more active after slush's pool went down last night
851 2011-04-02 15:39:57 <grbgout> What would you guys do with a 229Mhz laptop?
852 2011-04-02 15:40:19 <grbgout> Depending on the power draw, I'll probably turn it into my primary bitcoind.
853 2011-04-02 15:41:37 <grbgout> Perhaps this is a question better asked in -discussion.
854 2011-04-02 15:42:04 <mjsbuddha> i can imagine a 230mhz laptop from the stone age coming close to even breaking even as far as cost of electic used to bitcoins made
855 2011-04-02 15:42:21 <grbgout> mjsbuddha: I didn't say bitcoin miner.
856 2011-04-02 15:42:40 <grbgout> Just running bitcoind.  Acting as the local RPC.
857 2011-04-02 15:42:48 <mjsbuddha> r
858 2011-04-02 15:42:56 <mjsbuddha> my bad :P
859 2011-04-02 15:43:32 <grbgout> I haven't really read up on having a centrailized bitcoind for an entire LAN, though.  So I thought I'd pose the idea here.
860 2011-04-02 15:43:45 <grbgout> So, please, comments welcome.
861 2011-04-02 15:44:05 <mjsbuddha> what would be the advantage of doing so?
862 2011-04-02 15:44:18 <grbgout> I don't know.  Not having it wasting cycles on my miner?
863 2011-04-02 15:44:24 <grbgout> tying multiple miners together?
864 2011-04-02 15:44:36 <grbgout> I don't really know, I haven't gotten that 'advanced' with bitcoining yet.
865 2011-04-02 15:45:10 <mjsbuddha> well if its a relyable old laptop that doesnt look like it will kick the bucket i say go for it. i would backup the wallet though
866 2011-04-02 15:45:38 <grbgout> I was planning on let it have its own wallet.  Keep the existing wallet as is, and just letting it do its thing.
867 2011-04-02 15:45:46 <grbgout> s/let/letting/
868 2011-04-02 15:49:30 <_flow_> luke-jr: sure, just join #bitcoin-gentoo
869 2011-04-02 15:55:46 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: ping