1 2011-04-04 00:26:42 <phantomcircuit> lulz
  2 2011-04-04 00:26:57 <phantomcircuit> i think theres testnet ip/ports being passed around the main net
  3 2011-04-04 01:22:01 <Camanarac> Hi
  4 2011-04-04 01:22:16 <Camanarac> How are you all?
  5 2011-04-04 01:22:43 <luke-jr_> &
  6 2011-04-04 01:22:48 <Camanarac> Well I am a newbie so this may sound offensive but --
  7 2011-04-04 01:23:20 <luke-jr_> you type too slow.
  8 2011-04-04 01:23:32 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr_, why so mean
  9 2011-04-04 01:23:35 <phantomcircuit> Camanarac, go ahead
 10 2011-04-04 01:23:56 <Camanarac> Do somebody know how to setup a miner?
 11 2011-04-04 01:24:14 <luke-jr> what Radeon?
 12 2011-04-04 01:24:21 <Camanarac> I downloaded the puddinpop's CPU/GPU miner but I don't know what to do now
 13 2011-04-04 01:24:26 <Camanarac> ATI
 14 2011-04-04 01:25:42 <Camanarac> ATI mobility radeon HD530 v
 15 2011-04-04 01:27:11 <luke-jr> there is no HD 530
 16 2011-04-04 01:27:19 <luke-jr> try again
 17 2011-04-04 01:27:24 <isilion> hi ppl
 18 2011-04-04 01:27:50 <isilion> it's possible to program a gpu miner for older cards?
 19 2011-04-04 01:28:03 <isilion> like Geforce6+
 20 2011-04-04 01:28:54 <luke-jr> isilion: nvidia cards are not worth mining on anymore
 21 2011-04-04 01:28:55 <phantomcircuit> isilion, no point too slow
 22 2011-04-04 01:29:34 <Camanarac> How do I run the miner in the first place?
 23 2011-04-04 01:29:47 <isilion> my point is that i have 3 cards of that generation without use, and only CPU mining
 24 2011-04-04 01:30:12 <phantomcircuit> isilion, there's really no point in cpu mining either
 25 2011-04-04 01:30:22 <luke-jr> Camanarac: most people use Linux anymore, so I don't know if you'll get much help with Windows here
 26 2011-04-04 01:30:30 <luke-jr> isilion: CPU mining costs you money
 27 2011-04-04 01:30:47 <isilion> could be reasonable, make a miner for legacy hardware? (P4 with that cards)
 28 2011-04-04 01:30:57 <isilion> i got a cluster of 4 prescotss...
 29 2011-04-04 01:31:00 <phantomcircuit> isilion, you'll lose money on the cost of power alone
 30 2011-04-04 01:31:09 <isilion> 2mhps in total
 31 2011-04-04 01:31:13 <isilion> i know
 32 2011-04-04 01:31:15 <luke-jr> &
 33 2011-04-04 01:31:20 <isilion> but i have my reasons
 34 2011-04-04 01:31:43 <phantomcircuit> uh like hwat?
 35 2011-04-04 01:31:46 <isilion> Pirat Partiet... own pool... cant accept donations... must generate.
 36 2011-04-04 01:31:46 <phantomcircuit> free power?
 37 2011-04-04 01:31:51 <[Tycho\tHello, Camanarac. What is> NULL
 38 2011-04-04 01:32:02 <Camanarac> Hello Tycho
 39 2011-04-04 01:32:09 <isilion> in Spain donations to Politics cannot be anonymous
 40 2011-04-04 01:32:10 <luke-jr> isilion: &
 41 2011-04-04 01:32:20 <luke-jr> isilion: so don't accept it anonymously?
 42 2011-04-04 01:32:23 <Camanarac> my problem is that I don't know how to run a miner
 43 2011-04-04 01:32:29 <isilion> PP-es is very interested in BC
 44 2011-04-04 01:32:35 <[Tycho\tCamanarac, what GPU do yo> NULL
 45 2011-04-04 01:32:43 <isilion> no, we cant, is illegal
 46 2011-04-04 01:32:48 <luke-jr> isilion: again, at 2 MH/sec, you will be PAYING MORE than you generate
 47 2011-04-04 01:32:50 <Camanarac> I think it is ATI
 48 2011-04-04 01:33:00 <[Tycho]> Camanarac, which one ?
 49 2011-04-04 01:33:02 <luke-jr> Camanarac: exact model number
 50 2011-04-04 01:33:31 <Camanarac> The dxdialog says ATI mobility Radeon HD 530v
 51 2011-04-04 01:33:31 <isilion> thats with the standard bitcoin program
 52 2011-04-04 01:33:33 <isilion> mining cpu
 53 2011-04-04 01:33:47 <isilion> i dont know how much reaches jrnarnik
 54 2011-04-04 01:33:55 <isilion> or how it name were
 55 2011-04-04 01:33:58 <luke-jr> Camanarac: it's probably worthless
 56 2011-04-04 01:34:13 <isilion> jgarzik's
 57 2011-04-04 01:34:14 <isilion> ?
 58 2011-04-04 01:34:17 <Camanarac> How do you know that mining will be worthless?
 59 2011-04-04 01:34:34 <isilion> YES, BUT IT IS OUR ONLY WAY TO FINANCIATE!!
 60 2011-04-04 01:34:50 <isilion> one of our bests
 61 2011-04-04 01:34:50 <[Tycho]> Camanarac, notebooks aren't really good for mining. You need a GPU with OpenCL support to mine with it.
 62 2011-04-04 01:34:58 <luke-jr> Camanarac: because you need a good Radeon nowadays, and mobility usually aren't even decent
 63 2011-04-04 01:35:12 <isilion> as now in Spain ppl cannot afford a donation
 64 2011-04-04 01:35:14 <luke-jr> isilion: if it's costing you money, it isn't financing anyone
 65 2011-04-04 01:35:23 <xenon481> isilion: The only way that any money will be made to be able to finance whatever political party you are trying to deal with is going to be by stealing power to mine if you are only using CPUs.
 66 2011-04-04 01:35:35 <isilion> we are plaining
 67 2011-04-04 01:35:38 <isilion> to make a pool
 68 2011-04-04 01:35:39 <xenon481> isilion: and stealing is also illegal
 69 2011-04-04 01:35:42 <isilion> our own pool
 70 2011-04-04 01:35:48 <Camanarac> I don't mean how do you "By default" know that it won't work, but if you know how to calculate cost vs profit?
 71 2011-04-04 01:35:58 <isilion> and ask simpatients to be volunteers
 72 2011-04-04 01:36:06 <isilion> in finding golden bits in our river
 73 2011-04-04 01:36:10 <[Tycho]> Camanarac, https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
 74 2011-04-04 01:36:22 <luke-jr> isilion: that's anonymous donation.
 75 2011-04-04 01:36:27 <isilion> and donate to the president
 76 2011-04-04 01:36:34 <isilion> so he could donate to the party
 77 2011-04-04 01:36:37 <isilion> :)
 78 2011-04-04 01:36:45 <Camanarac> Thanks Tycho
 79 2011-04-04 01:36:45 <isilion> thats, legal...
 80 2011-04-04 01:36:54 <[Tycho]> Camanarac, you still can use CPU for mining, but it will give you negative profit if you are paying for your energy.
 81 2011-04-04 01:37:22 <Camanarac> I can mine from my office =D
 82 2011-04-04 01:37:34 <isilion> ie
 83 2011-04-04 01:37:40 <isilion> ppl could mine in their offices
 84 2011-04-04 01:37:52 <isilion> corps should take care of power costs
 85 2011-04-04 01:37:58 <luke-jr> it could be argued, that is theft
 86 2011-04-04 01:38:10 <[Tycho]> Camanarac, CPU mining will give you less than 0.5 BTC per day. Usually much less.
 87 2011-04-04 01:38:25 <isilion> at the moment is better than nothing
 88 2011-04-04 01:38:35 <Camanarac> But from my office all energy can be deduced from taxes
 89 2011-04-04 01:38:36 <isilion> in 4 months of new web
 90 2011-04-04 01:38:58 <isilion> we only have acquired about 500???
 91 2011-04-04 01:39:04 <xenon481> isilion: That is called stealing.
 92 2011-04-04 01:39:07 <isilion> its ridiculous for a Party
 93 2011-04-04 01:39:19 <Camanarac> I don't care it gives little. It gives little is better than it gives nothing
 94 2011-04-04 01:40:07 <isilion> xenon, they are stealing us
 95 2011-04-04 01:40:12 <Camanarac> In any case, my actual job takes very little processing power from my CPU but my CPU must be running for me to work
 96 2011-04-04 01:40:27 <isilion> electricals are the highest bill of the month
 97 2011-04-04 01:40:31 <isilion> for every family
 98 2011-04-04 01:41:13 <[Tycho]> ;;bc,gen 3000
 99 2011-04-04 01:41:14 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 3000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 0.0437450506123 BTC per day and 0.00182271044218 BTC per hour.
100 2011-04-04 01:41:29 <isilion> please, just answer my question, dont worry about if iths worthy
101 2011-04-04 01:41:30 <Camanarac> Oh here comes the "govern fucks us" talk :(
102 2011-04-04 01:41:40 <[Tycho]> You'll get 0.04 BTC with average CPU core.
103 2011-04-04 01:41:54 <isilion> think what you want, i know what i say
104 2011-04-04 01:42:01 <Camanarac> Ok then answer me this
105 2011-04-04 01:42:01 <[Tycho]> A modern one.
106 2011-04-04 01:42:17 <Camanarac> What is the processing used for?
107 2011-04-04 01:42:35 <luke-jr> Camanarac: CPUs use less electricity when idle
108 2011-04-04 01:42:46 <[Tycho]> Storing transactions in the chain.
109 2011-04-04 01:43:02 <luke-jr> Camanarac: the processing is wasted
110 2011-04-04 01:43:09 <Camanarac> Ok so minning is not the strategy to go
111 2011-04-04 01:43:13 <luke-jr> Camanarac: it serves no purpose other than to prove you did it
112 2011-04-04 01:43:20 <luke-jr> no, mining is not
113 2011-04-04 01:43:23 <Camanarac> Seriuos?
114 2011-04-04 01:43:27 <luke-jr> yes
115 2011-04-04 01:43:32 <xenon481> Absolutely
116 2011-04-04 01:43:33 <Camanarac> Wasted?
117 2011-04-04 01:43:41 <Camanarac> Absolutely wasted?
118 2011-04-04 01:43:42 <isilion> im an amateur programmer, i think i could try to just change jgarzik or any OpenCL miner for the functions of the standard drivers
119 2011-04-04 01:43:45 <luke-jr> the reason being, the harder it is to prove you did it, the more secure the network is from anyone taking control
120 2011-04-04 01:43:46 <isilion> its that possible?
121 2011-04-04 01:43:46 <xenon481> Unless you have a modern GPU, then yes. Wasted. Absolutely
122 2011-04-04 01:43:59 <isilion> dont argue if its worty, just answer
123 2011-04-04 01:44:03 <isilion> worthy*
124 2011-04-04 01:44:05 <luke-jr> Camanarac: it's not "absolutely wasted" because it keeps the network secure
125 2011-04-04 01:44:14 <Camanarac> Oh
126 2011-04-04 01:44:21 <[Tycho]> isilion, jgarzik's is a CPU miner.
127 2011-04-04 01:44:22 <luke-jr> but the calcuation itself is worthless
128 2011-04-04 01:44:34 <Camanarac> I was thinking that processing could be sold to RenderFarms
129 2011-04-04 01:44:46 <luke-jr> Camanarac: then RenderFarms would control the network
130 2011-04-04 01:44:58 <[Tycho]> isilion, what do you mean talking about the drivers ?
131 2011-04-04 01:45:17 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
132 2011-04-04 01:45:18 <isilion> the ati an nvidia free linux drivers
133 2011-04-04 01:45:21 <gribble> Current Blocks: 116598 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 329 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 20 hours, 46 minutes, and 50 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 80643.31668481
134 2011-04-04 01:45:24 <xenon481> [Tycho]: He thinks he can change out the hardware layer of the code with ease.
135 2011-04-04 01:46:17 <JFK911> is there still a huge transaction backlog
136 2011-04-04 01:46:21 <xenon481> He thinks that he can somehow get results back from a graphics chip that doesn't support GPGPU capabilities.
137 2011-04-04 01:46:22 <isilion> i mean use the standard driver functions to calculate hashes instead of the Open Computing Languaje one
138 2011-04-04 01:46:57 <luke-jr> isilion: there's a bounty on that
139 2011-04-04 01:47:02 <[Tycho]> isilion, on GPGPU chips ?
140 2011-04-04 01:47:03 <luke-jr> isilion: if you do it, you get paid for it ;)
141 2011-04-04 01:47:21 <isilion> really?
142 2011-04-04 01:47:31 <isilion> i mean
143 2011-04-04 01:47:35 <[Tycho]> JFK911, no.
144 2011-04-04 01:47:46 <isilion> if its possible? i dont have looked at bitcoind code
145 2011-04-04 01:47:49 <JFK911> [Tycho]: thanks for info.
146 2011-04-04 01:48:02 <[Tycho]> JFK911, http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/
147 2011-04-04 01:48:13 <JFK911> ohh i didnt realize this data was visible here.
148 2011-04-04 01:48:15 <isilion> GPU are
149 2011-04-04 01:48:18 <JFK911> thankyou, bookmarked.
150 2011-04-04 01:48:29 <aoeuueoa> ;;bc,gen 620000
151 2011-04-04 01:48:30 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 620000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 9.0406437932 BTC per day and 0.376693491384 BTC per hour.
152 2011-04-04 01:49:00 <xenon481> Let's be clear on exactly what the bounty is for. Is it for being able to mine on non-GPGPU hardware?
153 2011-04-04 01:50:10 <isilion> sorry, what is GPGPU?
154 2011-04-04 01:50:23 <JFK911> its a gpu that can compute
155 2011-04-04 01:50:37 <isilion> not all GPUs can?
156 2011-04-04 01:50:41 <JFK911> no
157 2011-04-04 01:50:49 <JFK911> nv 8000+ i think
158 2011-04-04 01:50:52 <JFK911> and ati 4000+
159 2011-04-04 01:51:00 <isilion> ati 9600 pro
160 2011-04-04 01:51:03 <isilion> is one of mine
161 2011-04-04 01:51:11 <isilion> nvidia 6200 is the other
162 2011-04-04 01:51:12 <JFK911> i mean since they reset their numbers
163 2011-04-04 01:51:19 <isilion> oh..
164 2011-04-04 01:51:24 <JFK911> so, radeon HD
165 2011-04-04 01:51:41 <JFK911> i have an 8500gt, it computes but it's worthless and power wasting
166 2011-04-04 01:51:41 <xenon481> Those two cards will never be able to mine.
167 2011-04-04 01:51:49 <isilion> goddam i have very quite old hardware
168 2011-04-04 01:51:52 <isilion> :(
169 2011-04-04 01:52:06 <JFK911> yeah, i didn't care about video cards until bitcoin drugs market appeared
170 2011-04-04 01:52:16 <[Tycho]> isilion, only the last GPUs can make general purpose calculations.
171 2011-04-04 01:52:57 <[Tycho]> isilion, all the others can only do predefined oerations for image rendering.
172 2011-04-04 01:53:38 <isilion> well...
173 2011-04-04 01:54:12 <isilion> ok i quit
174 2011-04-04 01:54:23 <Camanarac> I also!
175 2011-04-04 01:54:29 <JFK911> get a computer with a PCIe slot isilion
176 2011-04-04 01:54:35 <Camanarac> High five isilion!
177 2011-04-04 01:54:37 <JFK911> i got an ati 5550 for $30
178 2011-04-04 01:54:46 <JFK911> and a used 5870 for $120
179 2011-04-04 01:55:13 <Camanarac> But I couldn't even run a miner
180 2011-04-04 01:55:37 <[Tycho]> Camanarac, why ?
181 2011-04-04 01:56:03 <ephemer0l> hey all, will a new card run on an old PCIe x16 bus
182 2011-04-04 01:56:13 <JFK911> yes
183 2011-04-04 01:56:26 <ephemer0l> nice
184 2011-04-04 01:56:28 <Camanarac> It is not as simple as the "double click"  I am used as Windows user
185 2011-04-04 01:56:59 <[Tycho]> Camanarac, there is GUI client for OpenCL mining.
186 2011-04-04 01:57:11 <gjs278> I can't get opencl to work in winxp
187 2011-04-04 01:57:14 <Camanarac> What client is it?
188 2011-04-04 01:57:15 <gjs278> for my 5870
189 2011-04-04 01:57:31 <[Tycho]> Camanarac, for GUI CPU mining you can use official client, but you won't mine anything with it.
190 2011-04-04 01:58:02 <[Tycho]> Camanarac, poclbm-gui. But you'll need a real PC and GPU to use it.
191 2011-04-04 01:58:26 <[Tycho]> gjs278, what is your problem ?
192 2011-04-04 01:58:42 <gjs278> the opencl just won't turn on for windows
193 2011-04-04 01:58:48 <Camanarac> [Tycho], That is why I was intending pooled mining
194 2011-04-04 01:58:57 <[Tycho]> Camanarac, why ?
195 2011-04-04 01:59:10 <[Tycho]> gjs278, it's the only one video card in your PC ?
196 2011-04-04 01:59:12 <gjs278> I've got stream 2.2 and ati drivers up to date, no detection of opencl
197 2011-04-04 01:59:14 <gjs278> yes
198 2011-04-04 01:59:20 <Camanarac> Because I know that my hardware may not be the best
199 2011-04-04 01:59:24 <gjs278> I tried stream 2.3 too no luck
200 2011-04-04 01:59:33 <gjs278> is there anything else besides ati drivers and stream?
201 2011-04-04 02:00:04 <[Tycho]> Camanarac, you can use ufasoft's CPU miner or jgarzik's one. But you'll need to start them from command line (or create a special shortcut).
202 2011-04-04 02:00:55 <[Tycho]> gjs278, what is your Service Pack number ?
203 2011-04-04 02:00:59 <gjs278> sp2
204 2011-04-04 02:01:16 <[Tycho]> Try installing SP3
205 2011-04-04 02:01:19 <Camanarac> I am good with command lines. I used MS DOS and IRC when I was younger
206 2011-04-04 02:01:28 <gjs278> time to make a windows image in that case
207 2011-04-04 02:01:33 <[Tycho]> Camanarac, then start it.
208 2011-04-04 02:01:39 <Camanarac> Ok I will do a little research
209 2011-04-04 02:02:15 <[Tycho]> gjs278, there was something that needs SP3, but i can't remember exactly what.
210 2011-04-04 02:09:10 <gjs278> ha ha
211 2011-04-04 02:09:29 <gjs278> crawling back
212 2011-04-04 02:09:38 <Camanarac> Whoa, netsplit
213 2011-04-04 02:10:02 <[Tycho]> Camanarac, so you get started with ufasoft miner ?
214 2011-04-04 02:10:12 <Camanarac> Yup, Ufasoft
215 2011-04-04 02:11:11 <[Tycho]> What hashing speed do you see ?
216 2011-04-04 02:13:18 <Camanarac> I am at http://deepbit.net, what is the payout method?
217 2011-04-04 02:14:15 <[Tycho]> Proportional or Pay-Per-Share, you can choose one.
218 2011-04-04 02:14:38 <[Tycho]> Hashing speed should be displayed in your miner's console
219 2011-04-04 02:17:22 <Camanarac> God, It is set up and running at 7.04 MHash/s !!!!!!
220 2011-04-04 02:17:29 <Camanarac> =DDD
221 2011-04-04 02:17:38 <Camanarac> now 5.85
222 2011-04-04 02:17:50 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 6000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 0.0874901012246 BTC per day and 0.00364542088436 BTC per hour.
223 2011-04-04 02:17:50 <[Tycho]> ;;bc,gen 6000
224 2011-04-04 02:19:46 <Camanarac> What does this mean: "03.04.2011 23:18:27 Accepted" ??
225 2011-04-04 02:20:05 <[Tycho]> It means that your miner has found a share.
226 2011-04-04 02:20:18 <aoeuueoa> so, if i were to poolhop from bitcoinpool , i wouldn't poolhop to another share based pool right (since no other shared-based pool has real time statistics)?
227 2011-04-04 02:20:18 <JFK911> you found a jizz
228 2011-04-04 02:20:30 <Camanarac> It found another
229 2011-04-04 02:20:35 <JFK911> its working then!
230 2011-04-04 02:20:54 <Camanarac> It is alive!
231 2011-04-04 02:21:02 <Camanarac> ALIVE!!
232 2011-04-04 02:21:03 <[Tycho]> aoeuueoa, you can jump even to solo mining.
233 2011-04-04 02:22:49 <Camanarac> And other
234 2011-04-04 02:23:05 <JFK911> my solo mining luck changed
235 2011-04-04 02:23:18 <Camanarac> What happens when I find a share?
236 2011-04-04 02:23:20 <JFK911> it was really good - even under high difficulty - until a week or so ago
237 2011-04-04 02:23:44 <ephemer0l> ;;bc,gen 9000
238 2011-04-04 02:23:45 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 9000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 0.131235151837 BTC per day and 0.00546813132653 BTC per hour.
239 2011-04-04 02:23:48 <[Tycho]> Camanarac, you'll get a part of pool's reward.
240 2011-04-04 02:24:16 <JFK911> ;;bc,gen 400000
241 2011-04-04 02:24:17 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 400000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 5.83267341497 BTC per day and 0.243028058957 BTC per hour.
242 2011-04-04 02:24:21 <JFK911> lol
243 2011-04-04 02:24:44 <Camanarac> That is good, I am happy
244 2011-04-04 02:27:23 <Camanarac> Ok now I will create a direct launch
245 2011-04-04 02:28:57 <Camanarac> hmmm
246 2011-04-04 02:29:06 <Camanarac> How do I stop the client?
247 2011-04-04 02:30:25 <aoeuueoa> control-c
248 2011-04-04 02:39:12 <Kiba> hmm
249 2011-04-04 02:39:25 <Kiba> looks like the price of bitcoin crashed back to .70 USD
250 2011-04-04 02:40:54 <JFK911> no, one clown wanted to sell fast
251 2011-04-04 02:47:44 <Kiba> price is still crashing
252 2011-04-04 02:48:42 <[Tycho]> Oh.
253 2011-04-04 02:49:02 <Kiba> a nice time
254 2011-04-04 02:49:04 <Kiba> to buy
255 2011-04-04 02:49:05 <Kiba> I guess
256 2011-04-04 02:51:10 <JFK911> a nice time to quit mining
257 2011-04-04 02:52:00 <Kiba> we don't know how the market will respond
258 2011-04-04 02:52:40 <JFK911> quitting mining now eliminates risk of wasting power
259 2011-04-04 02:53:17 <Kiba> it also mean you lose opportunity if the sell is only temporary
260 2011-04-04 02:53:47 <JFK911> it may be.
261 2011-04-04 02:56:03 <devrandom> everything is temporary
262 2011-04-04 02:59:38 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
263 2011-04-04 02:59:44 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.7949,"low":0.61,"vol":16105,"buy":0.65,"sell":0.67,"last":0.67}}
264 2011-04-04 03:05:21 <slothbag10> 
265 2011-04-04 03:05:28 <slothbag10> quit
266 2011-04-04 03:05:31 <slothbag10> exit
267 2011-04-04 03:05:38 <jgarzik> leave
268 2011-04-04 03:05:40 <jgarzik> depart
269 2011-04-04 03:05:47 <jgarzik> abscond
270 2011-04-04 03:06:14 <slothbag10> i wish.. guess im stuck here :)
271 2011-04-04 03:06:49 <luke-jr> lol
272 2011-04-04 03:10:00 <Kiba> the price sure went back up relatively quickly
273 2011-04-04 03:10:58 <JFK911> too bad nobody quit mining
274 2011-04-04 03:17:40 <LightRider> are there transactions that require fees now?
275 2011-04-04 03:18:38 <[Tycho]> Transaction fee is not required.
276 2011-04-04 03:18:44 <LightRider> someone on otc got a notice that says oversized transactions require transaction fees
277 2011-04-04 03:19:06 <ne0futur> (07:13) < martok604> error: {"code":-4,"message":"Error: This is an oversized transaction that requires a transaction fee of 0.01  "}... You're kidding me.
278 2011-04-04 03:19:09 <ne0futur> (07:14) <  ne0futur> martok604: better ask this on #bitcoin-dev
279 2011-04-04 03:19:13 <ne0futur> more exactly ;)
280 2011-04-04 03:19:28 <[Tycho]> What was the size of that transaction ?
281 2011-04-04 03:24:13 <luke-jr> LightRider: yes
282 2011-04-04 03:24:25 <luke-jr> LightRider: and no
283 2011-04-04 03:24:49 <luke-jr> LightRider: he can always hack his wallet to send it without a fee, but it may take weeks to confirm
284 2011-04-04 03:25:07 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,estimate 1923933
285 2011-04-04 03:25:08 <gribble> 80326.58337697
286 2011-04-04 03:25:38 <LightRider> oh wow, didn't know that
287 2011-04-04 03:25:43 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,calc 1923933
288 2011-04-04 03:25:44 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1923933 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 1 day, 18 hours, 46 minutes, and 27 seconds
289 2011-04-04 03:25:50 <LightRider> what is the limit?
290 2011-04-04 03:26:09 <luke-jr> limit?
291 2011-04-04 03:26:14 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,calcd 1923933 80327
292 2011-04-04 03:26:15 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1923933 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 80327, is 2 days, 1 hour, 48 minutes, and 41 seconds
293 2011-04-04 03:26:33 <luke-jr> LightRider: it has to do with data size, not bitcoin volume
294 2011-04-04 03:26:39 <LightRider> ah
295 2011-04-04 03:26:44 <luke-jr> LightRider: eg, if you pay someone $100 with pennies
296 2011-04-04 03:26:52 <LightRider> number of transactions
297 2011-04-04 03:26:52 <luke-jr> rather than with 5 $20 bills
298 2011-04-04 03:27:01 <EPiSKiNG> or with .0000001ies
299 2011-04-04 03:27:04 <LightRider> right
300 2011-04-04 03:27:38 <LightRider> makes more sense that way. what is that limit then, is it known?
301 2011-04-04 03:27:51 <EPiSKiNG> calc gives time to a block which = 50btc, yes?
302 2011-04-04 03:28:10 <LightRider> right now yes
303 2011-04-04 03:28:20 <EPiSKiNG> block value changes?
304 2011-04-04 03:28:25 <LightRider> over time
305 2011-04-04 03:28:34 <EPiSKiNG> becomes smaller, yes?
306 2011-04-04 03:28:36 <LightRider> yes
307 2011-04-04 03:28:47 <jgarzik> LightRider: the current limit is 7 transactions per second
308 2011-04-04 03:29:04 <LightRider> oh ok
309 2011-04-04 03:29:09 <LightRider> thanks
310 2011-04-04 03:29:18 <EPiSKiNG> and what triggers the halfing of the value?
311 2011-04-04 03:29:32 <LightRider> based on date and time
312 2011-04-04 03:29:39 <jgarzik> EPiSKiNG: a certain number of blocks
313 2011-04-04 03:29:45 <EPiSKiNG> when was it 100?
314 2011-04-04 03:29:48 <jgarzik> EPiSKiNG: which approximates time
315 2011-04-04 03:29:52 <jgarzik> EPiSKiNG: never
316 2011-04-04 03:30:11 <LightRider> is it number of blocks? thought it was based on time
317 2011-04-04 03:30:18 <jgarzik> LightRider: number of blocks
318 2011-04-04 03:30:21 <EPiSKiNG> BTC value of blocks
319 2011-04-04 03:30:38 <jgarzik> LightRider: which approximates time
320 2011-04-04 03:30:46 <luke-jr> EPiSKiNG: it hasn't halved once yet
321 2011-04-04 03:31:03 <LightRider> ok, apologies for the error
322 2011-04-04 03:31:10 <EPiSKiNG> luke-jr: stats?
323 2011-04-04 03:31:18 <luke-jr> english?
324 2011-04-04 03:31:35 <jgarzik> LightRider: A SuperDuperImaginaryQuantumComputer might mint a million blocks tomorrow, and get us to 25 BTC quite a bit more rapidly than predicted by 10 minute/block intended average.
325 2011-04-04 03:31:59 <EPiSKiNG> i think that's what happened in October
326 2011-04-04 03:32:02 <EPiSKiNG> ha
327 2011-04-04 03:32:35 <LightRider> http://www.bitcoin.org/faq
328 2011-04-04 03:33:02 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,gend 1923933 80327
329 2011-04-04 03:33:04 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1923933 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 80327, is 24.0908587865 BTC per day and 1.00378578277 BTC per hour.
330 2011-04-04 03:33:30 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,gend 1223933 80327
331 2011-04-04 03:33:30 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1223933 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 80327, is 15.3256880916 BTC per day and 0.63857033715 BTC per hour.
332 2011-04-04 03:34:10 <LightRider> that has some of the information you're looking for Episking
333 2011-04-04 03:35:26 <Camanarac> Ok thanks
334 2011-04-04 03:35:34 <Camanarac> I will come back later
335 2011-04-04 03:35:50 <Camanarac> You have been of great help, thank you
336 2011-04-04 04:50:11 <gjs278> service pack 3 did the trick for windows detecting opencl finally
337 2011-04-04 04:55:17 <DreadKnight> bitcoin doesn't run with a GUI on Ubuntu Natty (11.04), confirmed by a lot of people
338 2011-04-04 05:01:34 <gjs278> same for gentoo 64-bit
339 2011-04-04 05:01:39 <gjs278> I can see a blank system tray icon
340 2011-04-04 05:01:47 <gjs278> but that's it, no gui or anything else
341 2011-04-04 05:04:39 <lfm> and the log? ant error messages?
342 2011-04-04 05:07:00 <gjs278> I didn't see any errors, but I can imagine it's a wx issue
343 2011-04-04 05:07:47 <lfm> run it from a terminal, see if it spits out any errors that way?
344 2011-04-04 05:08:48 <gjs278> nothing, but I can't compile it due to having 2.8 wx so I'm going to upgrade to 2.9 and see if that helps
345 2011-04-04 05:16:32 <gjs278> lfm I can confirm upping my gtk widgets to 2.9 and compiling manually made it appear
346 2011-04-04 05:16:59 <gjs278> although my system tray icon is still empty
347 2011-04-04 05:18:20 <gjs278> and it doesnt' seem to take any feedback like clicks or anything. the only thing I can see is a blank space and when I hover it, it says "Bitcoin"
348 2011-04-04 05:27:43 <lfm> so othrwise the bitcoin main functions work?
349 2011-04-04 05:29:42 <gjs278> yes
350 2011-04-04 05:29:55 <gjs278> the client works perfectly fine now that I've upgraded my wx and compiled it myself
351 2011-04-04 05:30:00 <gjs278> so it's definitely a wx issue somehow
352 2011-04-04 05:30:16 <lfm> great, can you make the binary avalable?
353 2011-04-04 05:33:03 <MagicalTux> gjs278, you can unmask wx too
354 2011-04-04 05:33:08 <MagicalTux> I do that on gentoo, works fine
355 2011-04-04 05:33:24 <gjs278> yep I had to
356 2011-04-04 05:33:37 <lfm> unmask?
357 2011-04-04 05:33:46 <gjs278> gentoo term for the package manager
358 2011-04-04 05:33:57 <gjs278> let me go grab the bitcoin binaries that are already released and I'll check those now
359 2011-04-04 05:34:07 <gjs278> see if this had any impact
360 2011-04-04 05:34:28 <ersi> unmask, ie "make available a lesser confirmed stable version of"
361 2011-04-04 05:34:39 <ersi> sorta
362 2011-04-04 05:34:44 <lfm> ya i think ex is static linked
363 2011-04-04 05:34:47 <lfm> wx
364 2011-04-04 05:34:55 <gjs278> yeah I can confirm that the distributed binaries don't work for me since they're static linked
365 2011-04-04 05:35:22 <lfm> so can you make a static linked binary fro 11.4?
366 2011-04-04 05:35:49 <gjs278> the binary I just made is 21M lol
367 2011-04-04 05:36:04 <JFK911> yup static linked
368 2011-04-04 05:36:10 <lfm> it should compress down to 8m or so
369 2011-04-04 05:36:20 <MagicalTux> strip it
370 2011-04-04 05:36:27 <gjs278> how do I strip it
371 2011-04-04 05:36:34 <MagicalTux> strip filename
372 2011-04-04 05:36:38 <lfm> strip file
373 2011-04-04 05:36:41 <gjs278> alright
374 2011-04-04 05:36:54 <gjs278> compressed down to 6mb with gzip but I'll strip it first
375 2011-04-04 05:37:07 <MagicalTux> you could upx it too :D
376 2011-04-04 05:37:14 <MagicalTux> reminds me I should update my ebuild
377 2011-04-04 05:37:40 <molecular> my balance looks really ugly... does someone have a spare 0.00000001 BTC? my balance is x.76049999.
378 2011-04-04 05:37:41 <gjs278> http://garyshood.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.gz
379 2011-04-04 05:37:56 <JFK911> you can send me 0.00009999
380 2011-04-04 05:38:05 <JFK911> or send that to the bitcoin faucet or something.
381 2011-04-04 05:38:10 <molecular> good idea
382 2011-04-04 05:38:12 <molecular> will do that
383 2011-04-04 05:38:16 <JFK911> altho
384 2011-04-04 05:38:21 <JFK911> i heard it will take 0.01 if you try to do that
385 2011-04-04 05:38:24 <JFK911> i'm not sure though
386 2011-04-04 05:38:29 <molecular> although that will cost me >100% fee ;)
387 2011-04-04 05:38:37 <gjs278> DreadKnight if you have a ubuntu install available right now try out my binary
388 2011-04-04 05:38:39 <lfm> ya send 1.00009999 to the faucet
389 2011-04-04 05:38:39 <molecular> since i set my fee to 0.0001 hehe
390 2011-04-04 05:39:06 <JFK911> it should eventually get there if the fee is 0 anyway
391 2011-04-04 05:39:07 <JFK911> right?
392 2011-04-04 05:39:23 <lfm> maybe
393 2011-04-04 05:39:36 <molecular> I hacked my bitcoind to not accept non-fee tx because my sloooow cpu has trouble making blocks with the tx-spamming
394 2011-04-04 05:39:51 <molecular> so I can't send without fee myself ;)
395 2011-04-04 05:40:09 <molecular> but no problem. 0.0001 is low enough
396 2011-04-04 05:40:13 <lfm> molecular: turn off generation
397 2011-04-04 05:40:23 <molecular> it's off.
398 2011-04-04 05:40:31 <molecular> but I need getwork
399 2011-04-04 05:41:49 <lfm> molecular: ya, should have a decent cpu for the getwork server too I spoze
400 2011-04-04 05:42:51 <molecular> yeah
401 2011-04-04 05:42:56 <molecular> it's atom 440 or something ;)
402 2011-04-04 05:43:14 <lfm> ok, I just feel sorry for you now
403 2011-04-04 05:43:17 <gjs278> lol
404 2011-04-04 05:43:46 <molecular> lfm, why. I'm really happy. thing drives 2 large dvi screens @ 30W and covers all my (other) needs pretty well
405 2011-04-04 05:44:18 <molecular> before I started mining I was pretty power-consumption-conscious ;)
406 2011-04-04 05:44:50 <lfm> should at least get a atom 550 dual cpu
407 2011-04-04 05:45:53 <AAA_awright> How long does it take to proocess a stupid block?
408 2011-04-04 05:46:00 <gjs278> by hand?
409 2011-04-04 05:46:06 <lfm> lol
410 2011-04-04 05:46:59 <lfm> AAA_awright: once it is generated the net should have processed it within seconds
411 2011-04-04 05:47:25 <molecular> correction: it's a atom 330 and seems to be dual-core
412 2011-04-04 05:47:28 <AAA_awright> So what's with the non-fee tx
413 2011-04-04 05:47:33 <ersi> AAA_awright: Get the current Hashrate and input it into gribblebot by saying ";;bc,gen <Hashrate in Khps>"
414 2011-04-04 05:47:42 <lfm> AAA_awright: vile spammers
415 2011-04-04 05:48:20 <lfm> ersi ? that wasnt the question he asked, tho it might be what he ment
416 2011-04-04 05:49:17 <lfm> molecular: the 330 is hyperthreaded so it is pseudo-dual-core
417 2011-04-04 05:49:41 <lfm> molecular: I think the 550 is real dual-core
418 2011-04-04 05:49:43 <DreadKnight> gjs278, trying; I was just getting 10.10 and was about to run it in virtual box; want to migrate to mybitcoin.com to avoid crap like this in the near future..
419 2011-04-04 05:50:23 <lfm> DreadKnight: why 10.10? 11.4 is out now
420 2011-04-04 05:50:57 <DreadKnight> lfm, because like I said before, in 11.04 (which I run for quite a while now), I don't get a GUI with bitcoin client
421 2011-04-04 05:51:28 <lfm> oh ok, just gotta get wx 2.9 and rebuild
422 2011-04-04 05:52:10 <gjs278> DreadKnight dl http://garyshood.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.gz and try it out
423 2011-04-04 05:52:32 <DreadKnight> gjs278, yeah, got it; trying now
424 2011-04-04 05:52:43 <ersi> lfm: I might have misunderstood it as a general question
425 2011-04-04 06:05:50 <DreadKnight> gjs278, requires libwxgtk2.9-0 and Natty only has up to libwxgtk2.8-0
426 2011-04-04 06:05:59 <gjs278> yep
427 2011-04-04 06:06:29 <gjs278> that's a shame... but I really wonder what features we use that are so cutting edge that it requires 2.9
428 2011-04-04 06:06:41 <DreadKnight> I guess none :D
429 2011-04-04 06:06:57 <gjs278> lfm if I give him an unstripped binary will it work
430 2011-04-04 06:07:01 <lfm> its to do with the extended character support if I remembver right
431 2011-04-04 06:07:20 <gjs278> or is the stripping just pointless leftover crap that has nothing to do with linked libraries
432 2011-04-04 06:08:54 <lfm> stripping drops the debugging labels so you can tell when it crashes
433 2011-04-04 06:09:11 <gjs278> oh ok
434 2011-04-04 06:09:15 <gjs278> so no help
435 2011-04-04 06:12:58 <gjs278> DreadKnight maybe something here can help? https://launchpad.net/~fransschreuder1/+archive/usbpicprog-devel/+sourcepub/998391/+listing-archive-extra
436 2011-04-04 06:14:54 <gjs278> or just build if from source and try and override your 2.8 but that would probably be a pain
437 2011-04-04 06:27:11 <molecular> lfm, cat /proc/cpuinfo shows 4 cpus. is that hyperthreading alone?
438 2011-04-04 06:28:52 <JFK911> what cpu
439 2011-04-04 06:28:54 <gjs278> your atom is showing 4 cpus?
440 2011-04-04 06:30:54 <gjs278> molecular if you have an i3 you'd have 2 cores and 2 hyperthreaded
441 2011-04-04 06:31:15 <gjs278> so if it really is reporting 4 threads then you have 2 cores that are both hypered to give you a total of 4
442 2011-04-04 07:19:53 <da2ce7> hey
443 2011-04-04 07:20:16 <da2ce7> on windows x64, what is the best drivers to use with a 2x 5970's
444 2011-04-04 07:22:52 <sipa> 10.11
445 2011-04-04 07:42:55 <xelister> bubble bursting allert o/
446 2011-04-04 07:46:22 <Spenvo> Anyone want to help me come up with questions for Meet the Trader 05?
447 2011-04-04 07:46:42 <xelister> Spenvo: "when there will be blowjobs for btc"
448 2011-04-04 07:46:44 <xelister> *female
449 2011-04-04 07:47:14 <Spenvo> now that's a p2p economy at work
450 2011-04-04 07:48:08 <Spenvo> so is the bottom going to fall out of BTC because of this big cash out?
451 2011-04-04 07:50:06 <Diablo-D3> not reallyt
452 2011-04-04 07:50:14 <Diablo-D3> I expect it to also strengthen it just as much
453 2011-04-04 07:50:20 <Diablo-D3> so in the end its just going to stay steady
454 2011-04-04 07:51:57 <xelister> bubble buuurssttiing
455 2011-04-04 07:52:14 <xelister> we will fall to real cost of mining a coin - ~0.10 USD
456 2011-04-04 07:52:32 <xelister> =)
457 2011-04-04 07:52:48 <Spenvo> lol
458 2011-04-04 07:53:00 <Diablo-D3> yes, but anyone who studies economics knows bubble bursts just cause economic development
459 2011-04-04 07:56:13 <xelister> interesting,
460 2011-04-04 07:56:19 <xelister> it seems mplayer  developer suck cocks too
461 2011-04-04 07:56:24 <xelister> what it is wrong with people.
462 2011-04-04 07:56:41 <Diablo-D3> I should start dating mplayer developers then
463 2011-04-04 07:56:43 <xelister> Milion options in mplayer, but no (clearly marked at least) option to play all playable files in directory?
464 2011-04-04 07:56:49 <Diablo-D3> xelister: er....
465 2011-04-04 07:56:55 <Diablo-D3> mplayer dir/*
466 2011-04-04 07:57:05 <xelister> Diablo-D3: it fails massivlt, with things like
467 2011-04-04 07:57:12 <Diablo-D3> I use it all the time
468 2011-04-04 07:57:20 <xelister> Playing -.
469 2011-04-04 07:57:21 <xelister> Reading from stdin...
470 2011-04-04 07:57:23 <xelister> it fails.
471 2011-04-04 07:57:32 <Diablo-D3> no, you've done something wrong.
472 2011-04-04 07:57:44 <xelister> I did   mplayer dir/*
473 2011-04-04 07:57:45 <Diablo-D3> it sounds like you have a file start starts with -
474 2011-04-04 07:57:47 <xelister> yeap
475 2011-04-04 07:57:54 <xelister> or with " - " in name
476 2011-04-04 07:57:56 <Diablo-D3> which is generally considered illegal
477 2011-04-04 07:57:59 <Diablo-D3> xelister: nope
478 2011-04-04 07:58:04 <xelister> yes
479 2011-04-04 07:58:08 <Diablo-D3> your shell is broken if it isnt escaping - after the first
480 2011-04-04 07:58:15 <xelister> bash
481 2011-04-04 07:58:20 <Diablo-D3> bash handles it correctly
482 2011-04-04 07:58:23 <Diablo-D3> so clearly its user error
483 2011-04-04 07:58:27 <xelister> so how to?
484 2011-04-04 07:58:32 <xelister> ls -1 fails also
485 2011-04-04 07:58:34 <Diablo-D3> mplayer dir/*
486 2011-04-04 07:58:47 <xelister> mplayer dir/* does what I said above, try it
487 2011-04-04 07:59:05 <Diablo-D3> $ ls *mp3
488 2011-04-04 07:59:24 <Diablo-D3> $ mplayer *mp3
489 2011-04-04 07:59:26 <Diablo-D3> oh hey it works!
490 2011-04-04 07:59:55 <Diablo-D3> xelister: if you have files that START with -, standard posix compliant args parsers wont be able to handle it
491 2011-04-04 08:00:04 <Diablo-D3> you need to put -- infront of the file names.
492 2011-04-04 08:00:10 <Diablo-D3> ergo, mplayer -- dir/*
493 2011-04-04 08:01:41 <xelister> well dang, why  program foo/*    !==   cd foo && programm *
494 2011-04-04 08:01:52 <xelister> anyway, how to now get the music from subdirs
495 2011-04-04 08:02:09 <xelister> ls -1 ls -l  etc is giving problems with " - " again
496 2011-04-04 08:03:05 <Diablo-D3> xelister: because you failed to use --
497 2011-04-04 08:03:15 <xelister> tried it afair
498 2011-04-04 08:03:40 <Diablo-D3> then its user error.
499 2011-04-04 08:03:46 <xelister> mplayer  -vo null -shuffle -loop 0  --  `ls -1 somedir`  is not working
500 2011-04-04 08:03:54 <Diablo-D3> uh, why would that work?
501 2011-04-04 08:04:01 <Diablo-D3> mplayer cant parse ls
502 2011-04-04 08:04:09 <sipa> it doesn't
503 2011-04-04 08:04:09 <xelister> someone recommended it
504 2011-04-04 08:04:14 <sipa> `` gets evaluated by the shell
505 2011-04-04 08:04:15 <Diablo-D3> someone is an idiot
506 2011-04-04 08:04:20 <Diablo-D3> you want xargs
507 2011-04-04 08:04:20 <xelister> anyway, how to play all music  from ~/music from all subdirs
508 2011-04-04 08:04:28 <Diablo-D3> find | xargs mplayer
509 2011-04-04 08:04:50 <Diablo-D3> ooh that breaks
510 2011-04-04 08:04:56 <xelister> Diablo-D3: also, anyway I want 1 mplayer process
511 2011-04-04 08:05:10 <Diablo-D3> xelister: stop talking until you are qualified to speak on the subject.
512 2011-04-04 08:05:28 <sipa> find -type '*.mp3' -print0 | xargs -0 mplayer -vo null -shuffle -loop 0
513 2011-04-04 08:05:36 <xelister> anyway, this dicking with this is stupid,
514 2011-04-04 08:05:42 <xelister> it should just work, like totem player
515 2011-04-04 08:06:19 <Diablo-D3> sipa: thats wrong too
516 2011-04-04 08:06:21 <xelister> my point was, why some simpel totem player is recursing dirs,  and mplayer has over 5,000 options for EVERYTHING in the world of playing&encoding&recoding, EXCEPT for recursing dirs apparently
517 2011-04-04 08:06:27 <sipa> Diablo-D3: yeah, still needs --
518 2011-04-04 08:07:00 <sipa> xelister: mplayer is a media player, not a media manager, but i agree that mplayer's options are a mess
519 2011-04-04 08:07:48 <xelister> there is probably an option to make me a dinner after each song while crossfading it using sin(x)*gaussian using OpenCL to do the math, but not to recurse dirs, wtf
520 2011-04-04 08:08:29 <Diablo-D3> you could probably do mplayer -playlist <(find "$PWD" -type f)
521 2011-04-04 08:08:40 <Diablo-D3> which seems to be the simplest way
522 2011-04-04 08:09:23 <Diablo-D3> or find | mplayer -playlist -
523 2011-04-04 08:09:27 <sipa> xelister: unix philosophy - do one thing and do it; in the case of mplayer it's very good at one thing: playing media
524 2011-04-04 08:09:39 <sipa> but it leaves control of what to play to you
525 2011-04-04 08:09:48 <sipa> maybe that's not what you want, but you can use other programs
526 2011-04-04 08:10:03 <Diablo-D3> xelister fails at unix philosophy
527 2011-04-04 08:10:12 <sipa> +good
528 2011-04-04 08:10:43 <UukGoblin> you think low price is related to liberty reserve being down? :-]
529 2011-04-04 08:14:03 <xelister> unix philosophy can suck my dick - I just wanted to listen to some songs, not really develop scripts now
530 2011-04-04 08:14:40 <sipa> then use xmms or amarok or totem or ... :)
531 2011-04-04 08:14:54 <sipa> or rhythmbox or any others :)
532 2011-04-04 08:15:21 <Diablo-D3> xelister: then use windows you idiot
533 2011-04-04 08:15:26 <Diablo-D3> mplayer is a command line program
534 2011-04-04 08:15:30 <Diablo-D3> you use the command line to power it
535 2011-04-04 08:16:24 <xelister> I dont use winshit lol
536 2011-04-04 08:16:54 <xelister> this is just stupid that totem is more advanced then mplayer for a very common use case "play all fucking files in subdirs"
537 2011-04-04 08:17:08 <UukGoblin> mplayer rocks
538 2011-04-04 08:17:14 <sipa> yes, and that is why it exists, probably
539 2011-04-04 08:17:21 <sipa> for being easier to use in some use cases
540 2011-04-04 08:17:26 <xelister> yeap, other then the commandline thing
541 2011-04-04 08:17:32 <UukGoblin> xelister, find -type f | xargs mplayer
542 2011-04-04 08:17:45 <UukGoblin> or mplayer `find -type f`
543 2011-04-04 08:17:51 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: I liked mine better
544 2011-04-04 08:17:58 <Diablo-D3> find | mplayer -playlist -
545 2011-04-04 08:18:26 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, that'd steal stdin and you couldn't control it with keyboard I think
546 2011-04-04 08:20:18 <xelister> oh, -playlist
547 2011-04-04 08:20:21 <xelister> well, that is fine.
548 2011-04-04 08:20:55 <xelister> the 89521 pages long man could had show this option with a /searchable 'recurse' word hehe
549 2011-04-04 08:20:59 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: it doesnt seal it for me
550 2011-04-04 08:21:45 <[Tycho]> ;;bc,stats
551 2011-04-04 08:21:48 <gribble> Current Blocks: 116652 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 275 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 12 hours, 49 minutes, and 10 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 80820.86825614
552 2011-04-04 08:21:53 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, weird. does for me.
553 2011-04-04 08:22:16 <Diablo-D3> ahh it does for me too
554 2011-04-04 08:22:17 <Diablo-D3> hrm
555 2011-04-04 08:22:18 <xelister> UukGoblin: find -type f  fails for strange filenames
556 2011-04-04 08:22:34 <Diablo-D3> [06:08:28] <Diablo-D3> you could probably do mplayer -playlist <(find "$PWD" -type f)
557 2011-04-04 08:22:42 <xelister> and... it doesnt allow me to skip < >
558 2011-04-04 08:22:43 <xelister> wtf
559 2011-04-04 08:22:44 <Diablo-D3> that works though
560 2011-04-04 08:22:45 <UukGoblin> xelister, indeed
561 2011-04-04 08:22:50 <Diablo-D3> xelister: PAY ATTENTION
562 2011-04-04 08:22:52 <Diablo-D3> WE BOTH JUST SAID THAT
563 2011-04-04 08:22:54 <xelister> NO
564 2011-04-04 08:23:00 <xelister> not the   -playlist -
565 2011-04-04 08:23:02 <Diablo-D3> can we kickban xelister?
566 2011-04-04 08:23:17 <xelister> the `..` thing ALSO doesnt allow to skip even thou doesnt steal input
567 2011-04-04 08:23:48 <Diablo-D3> xelister: dude
568 2011-04-04 08:23:52 <Diablo-D3> [06:08:28] <Diablo-D3> you could probably do mplayer -playlist <(find "$PWD" -type f)
569 2011-04-04 08:23:56 <Diablo-D3> pay attention
570 2011-04-04 08:23:57 <xelister> nm
571 2011-04-04 08:25:13 <xelister> mplayer -playlist <(find "$PWD" -type f)     seems to work the best
572 2011-04-04 08:25:44 <Diablo-D3> which is why I listed it first
573 2011-04-04 08:26:36 <BurtyB> using "$PWD" as typing . is too quick?
574 2011-04-04 08:27:03 <Diablo-D3> BurtyB: because it changes the path
575 2011-04-04 08:27:13 <Diablo-D3> Failed to open /dev/fd/./Cowboy Bebop - Vitaminless/Cowboy Bebop; Vitaminless - 01 - THE REAL FOLK BLUES.mp3.
576 2011-04-04 08:28:17 <BurtyB> how does it change the path? $PWD is the current working directory which = . ?
577 2011-04-04 08:28:27 <Diablo-D3> try it.
578 2011-04-04 08:29:59 <BurtyB> but why would you need it if it's in the same dir as you exec mplayer? the relative links should still work?
579 2011-04-04 08:34:42 <molecular> just did a "bitcoin sendtoaddress 15VjRaDX9zpbA8LVnbrCAFzrVzN7ixHNsC 0.00999999", bitcoin used a 0.01 fee, although I set paytxfee=0.0001 and also in the gui options I have "pay transaction fee" set to 0.0001. why did it use a 0.01 fee?
580 2011-04-04 08:37:13 <[Tycho]> :)
581 2011-04-04 08:38:31 <sipa> molecular: a 0.01 fee is required if your transaction has <0.01 outputs
582 2011-04-04 08:42:52 <Lobster_Man> ugh why does freenode suck :|
583 2011-04-04 08:43:20 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,stats
584 2011-04-04 08:43:24 <gribble> Current Blocks: 116653 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 274 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 12 hours, 41 minutes, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 80828.47335140
585 2011-04-04 08:43:31 <xelister> 80k. FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
586 2011-04-04 08:44:10 <JFK911> any preferred setup or best practice to put bitcoind in his own VM?
587 2011-04-04 08:44:17 <JFK911> I'm thinking of using XP Embedded
588 2011-04-04 08:44:37 <[Tycho]> There is also Windows FLP
589 2011-04-04 08:44:42 <JFK911> what's FLP?
590 2011-04-04 08:44:56 <[Tycho]> Official light version of XP
591 2011-04-04 08:45:09 <xelister> JFK911: why not use a linux on vm, like a streight person
592 2011-04-04 08:45:26 <[Tycho]> Because Windows works :)
593 2011-04-04 08:45:33 <JFK911> oh interesting, tycho, i didn't know he existed
594 2011-04-04 08:45:43 <JFK911> thanks for the tip, i will find him and experiment
595 2011-04-04 08:45:45 <xelister> and calls phone and is easly rootkitable as Sony CD proven
596 2011-04-04 08:45:57 <xelister> really good foundation for dealing with crypto money
597 2011-04-04 08:46:23 <[Tycho]> Wasn't linux first OS with rootkits ? :)
598 2011-04-04 08:46:28 <xelister> ArtForz runs on linux, most pools and big miners rin on linux
599 2011-04-04 08:46:45 <[Tycho]> ArtForz had no choice.
600 2011-04-04 08:46:50 <xelister> no choice?
601 2011-04-04 08:47:09 <[Tycho]> Windows doesn't supports more than 4 GPUs, Art has 8 per PC.
602 2011-04-04 08:47:23 <xelister> so it works on linux and not on windows
603 2011-04-04 08:47:50 <sipa> windows shuts down gpu's to which no screen is connected, i believe
604 2011-04-04 08:47:52 <molecular> sipa, darn, that was pretty close, then ;)
605 2011-04-04 08:48:04 <xelister> sipa: how nice and green of them
606 2011-04-04 08:48:19 <[Tycho]> That's not windows, that's ATI drivers.
607 2011-04-04 08:48:31 <sipa> in most cases yes, but it's a pain if you want to mine headless :)
608 2011-04-04 08:48:47 <xelister> yeap ati drivers are causing RaaaaaAAaaaGEeEEEEEEEEEEEon on all platforms
609 2011-04-04 08:48:53 <[Tycho]> Half of the biggest pools don't run linux.
610 2011-04-04 08:49:12 <xelister> [Tycho]: what? strange. I thought only like 5% people are homosexual
611 2011-04-04 08:49:21 <JFK911> my windows dont call home
612 2011-04-04 08:49:28 <[Tycho]> sipa, it can be fixed with just one resistor in your DVI port.
613 2011-04-04 08:50:08 <subpar> or dual/triple monitors =)
614 2011-04-04 08:50:16 <sipa> or linux ;)
615 2011-04-04 08:50:31 <subpar> yeah - that too
616 2011-04-04 08:50:35 <subpar> =)
617 2011-04-04 08:50:43 <JFK911> i had to plug a monitor in my linux mining experiment
618 2011-04-04 08:51:04 <[Tycho]> Having lots of monitors makes your room look more serious.
619 2011-04-04 08:51:12 <sipa> my dual 5970 miner works headless, and starts mining automatically when booted :)
620 2011-04-04 08:54:31 <RBecker> ;;bc,stat
621 2011-04-04 08:54:32 <gribble> Error: "bc,stat" is not a valid command.
622 2011-04-04 08:54:36 <RBecker> ;;bc,stats
623 2011-04-04 08:54:38 <gribble> Current Blocks: 116653 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 274 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 12 hours, 41 minutes, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 80828.47335140
624 2011-04-04 08:58:46 <JFK911> crap i forgot 'prepare to shrink' for vmdisk
625 2011-04-04 09:01:25 <joepie91> okay, so after the announcement of anonymous vs. sony
626 2011-04-04 09:01:25 <xelister> joepie91: hm? url
627 2011-04-04 09:01:26 <joepie91> it's not much it seems, but it's something
628 2011-04-04 09:01:56 <molecular> hehe, the market depth gap on mtgox is slowly filling, this is really fun to watch
629 2011-04-04 10:16:44 <molecular> why does everyone have a ping-timeout and I see noone talking?
630 2011-04-04 10:17:12 <ersi> 'cause there's no chatting about anything prior to this.
631 2011-04-04 10:17:30 <molecular> so it's a slow chat-day?
632 2011-04-04 10:17:33 <ersi> Last line was from you about the market depth
633 2011-04-04 10:17:38 <ersi> Yep
634 2011-04-04 10:17:42 <molecular> ok
635 2011-04-04 10:17:46 <molecular> thx ;)
636 2011-04-04 10:18:05 <ersi> np :)
637 2011-04-04 10:18:35 <molecular> the gap I said was filling up was cleared again, btw. someone is on a selling-spree ;)
638 2011-04-04 10:45:29 <grbgout> ;;bc,wiki
639 2011-04-04 10:45:30 <gribble> https://bitcoin.it/ | Mar 24, 2011 ... Sourced from Wikipedia. Bitcoin is a digital currency created in 2009 by Satoshi Nakamoto. It is also the name of the open source software ...
640 2011-04-04 11:42:16 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,gen 600000
641 2011-04-04 11:42:18 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 600000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 8.74901012246 BTC per day and 0.364542088436 BTC per hour.
642 2011-04-04 11:43:34 <rli> ;;bc,gen 683000
643 2011-04-04 11:43:35 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 683000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 9.95928985606 BTC per day and 0.414970410669 BTC per hour.
644 2011-04-04 12:06:43 <gribble> Error: ",gen" is not a valid command.
645 2011-04-04 12:06:43 <Sami345> ;;,gen 160000
646 2011-04-04 12:06:43 <sipa> ;;bc,gen 160000
647 2011-04-04 12:06:46 <gribble> https://bitcoin.it/ | Mar 24, 2011 ... Sourced from Wikipedia. Bitcoin is a digital currency created in 2009 by Satoshi Nakamoto. It is also the name of the open source software ...
648 2011-04-04 12:06:46 <Sami345> oh well
649 2011-04-04 12:06:47 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 160000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 2.33306936599 BTC per day and 0.0972112235828 BTC per hour.
650 2011-04-04 12:22:20 <krytzz> hi, im trying to connect the cpuminer to bitcoin 0.3.20.2, but i get error 500 from the bitcoind, does anyone know what happens or how i can debug this?
651 2011-04-04 12:29:12 <jgarzik> krytzz: turn on cpuminer debug options
652 2011-04-04 12:31:19 <krytzz> http://nopaste.voric.com/paste.php?f=i55qgb i did but didnt help me much
653 2011-04-04 12:39:56 <cosurgi> oops!
654 2011-04-04 12:41:13 <cosurgi> we've hit 0.64 price. Someone sold 20k
655 2011-04-04 12:42:06 <jgarzik> krytzz: are you using --userpass?  there seem to be problems with --user and --pass
656 2011-04-04 12:44:09 <krytzz> jgarzik: its the same with --userpass, i also tried to change the credentials and got 401 then, so login seems to work
657 2011-04-04 12:44:57 <jgarzik> krytzz: you enabled --debug and --protocol-dump ?
658 2011-04-04 12:46:16 <xelister> ding ding ding
659 2011-04-04 12:46:19 <xelister> market is falling
660 2011-04-04 12:46:30 <xelister> cosurgi: 20.000 ? woot.
661 2011-04-04 12:47:12 <xelister> 3.000 usd more and price is 0?
662 2011-04-04 12:47:26 <krytzz> jgarzik: yes
663 2011-04-04 12:47:42 <cosurgi> but http://www.taters.net/cgi-bin/btc/matrix.pl?axisinc=0.025 doesn't include darkpool
664 2011-04-04 12:47:49 <cosurgi> and that's very misleading
665 2011-04-04 12:48:33 <cosurgi> there;s like 4000 there for a month, or longer, but during that time much more was sold.
666 2011-04-04 12:49:01 <jgarzik> cosurgi: http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/mtgoxUSD.html
667 2011-04-04 12:49:43 <jgarzik> krytzz: this works with bitcoind: ./minerd --url "http://10.10.10.1:8332/" --userpass 'myuser:sekrit' --algo sse2_64 --scantime 60 -qt4
668 2011-04-04 12:50:43 <jgarzik> krytzz: but really, it will take many months and lots of electricity to generate a single block using solo CPU mining...
669 2011-04-04 12:50:57 <jgarzik> krytzz: most CPU mine to a pool
670 2011-04-04 12:51:32 <krytzz> jgarzik: so i should rather connect the miner to a pool
671 2011-04-04 12:51:55 <jgarzik> krytzz: yes
672 2011-04-04 13:17:34 <xelister> bottom falling
673 2011-04-04 13:23:23 <cosurgi> jgarzik: it's the same as taters.net - dark pools are not listed. So there's total demand for "only" 1500 bitcoins.
674 2011-04-04 13:42:16 <EvanR-wo1k> xelister: drop it low girl
675 2011-04-04 13:48:05 <iocor> what are the bet flags for an 8800gts using poclbm?
676 2011-04-04 13:57:55 <luke-jr> iocor: nvidia is a waste
677 2011-04-04 13:58:03 <iocor> luke-jr: you're such a lovely person
678 2011-04-04 14:08:25 <topi`> I tried -w128 but -w256 is faster for me (a Nvidia 9400M)
679 2011-04-04 14:09:03 <Diablo-D3> it shouldnt be.
680 2011-04-04 14:09:22 <topi`> I get 1460 khash/sec with -w256
681 2011-04-04 14:13:45 <Diablo-D3> thats pretty slow
682 2011-04-04 14:13:50 <Diablo-D3> oh, its a 9400m
683 2011-04-04 14:13:51 <Diablo-D3> heh
684 2011-04-04 14:14:25 <topi`> yep :( it's an underclocked version of 9400
685 2011-04-04 14:14:35 <topi`> this is a 1-year old macbook :D
686 2011-04-04 14:15:12 <Kiba```> is the bitcoin forum down?
687 2011-04-04 14:15:31 <[Tycho]> No.
688 2011-04-04 14:52:54 <phantomcircuit> good morning everybody!
689 2011-04-04 14:56:22 <iocor> turn all my money into bitcoins, wait until it becomes stupidly valuable profit?
690 2011-04-04 15:01:59 <donpdonp> anyone remember that url shortener/redirect that requires bitcoin payment to use?
691 2011-04-04 15:29:18 <ersi> iocor: yeah, go for it
692 2011-04-04 15:55:02 <grbgout> ;;bc,forum
693 2011-04-04 15:55:02 <gribble> Error: "bc,forum" is not a valid command.
694 2011-04-04 15:55:05 <grbgout> dang
695 2011-04-04 15:55:22 <ZaEarl> Diablo-D3, if I start "bitcoin -server", can I connect a miner from a different machine with "-o" if I also have a local miner running?
696 2011-04-04 15:58:56 <Diablo-D3> ZaEarl: you can connect as many miners as you want
697 2011-04-04 15:59:05 <Diablo-D3> just remember to tell non-local miners the address of your machine
698 2011-04-04 15:59:44 <ArtForz> and dont forget rpcallowip on the node
699 2011-04-04 16:00:10 <ZaEarl> that might be it, what's that?
700 2011-04-04 16:00:13 <ZaEarl> bitcoin.conf?
701 2011-04-04 16:00:17 <ArtForz> yea
702 2011-04-04 16:00:32 <ArtForz> by default bitcoin only allows rpc connections from localhost
703 2011-04-04 16:00:41 <ZaEarl> does it take wildcards?
704 2011-04-04 16:00:52 <ArtForz> yep, takes * wildcards
705 2011-04-04 16:00:57 <grbgout> ZaEarl: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Running_Bitcoin
706 2011-04-04 16:01:01 <grbgout> that has an example bitcoin.conf
707 2011-04-04 16:03:51 <ZaEarl> that was it, thanks guys
708 2011-04-04 16:04:28 <grbgout> You're welcome.
709 2011-04-04 16:07:17 <ZaEarl> now if ati would release the new linux driver i'll be set!
710 2011-04-04 16:09:11 <grbgout> What do you mean?  What's wrong with their current linux drivers?
711 2011-04-04 16:09:17 <ZaEarl> doesn't work for 6990s
712 2011-04-04 16:09:36 <grbgout> bitanarchy: hey, are you aware that when you cycle to change your host the original is still visible to us before you rejoin?
713 2011-04-04 16:10:51 <ArtForz> weird
714 2011-04-04 16:10:53 <bitanarchy> grbgout: It is not that i want to be anonymous... but i think it is my client chatzilla
715 2011-04-04 16:11:11 <BlueMatt> bitanarchy: its the way the freenode cloak system works
716 2011-04-04 16:11:16 <ArtForz> multiple 6970s works
717 2011-04-04 16:11:30 <BlueMatt> you have to change your client to wait to join channels
718 2011-04-04 16:11:37 <ArtForz> guess they just havent added the IDs for 6990
719 2011-04-04 16:11:57 <grbgout> bitanarchy: k, just letting you know in case you weren't aware.
720 2011-04-04 16:12:27 <bitanarchy> grbgout: thx, but i have no idea how to fix it.
721 2011-04-04 16:12:27 <ZaEarl> yup, my 6970 is fine, but 6990 not. it is even listed as having different drivers when you go to the ati driver page
722 2011-04-04 16:12:48 <grbgout> bitanarchy: just setup your client to wait until you've identified with NickServ before automatically joining your channels.
723 2011-04-04 16:12:55 <grbgout> BlueMatt: did you see my message yesterday about the UPS?
724 2011-04-04 16:13:09 <BlueMatt> bitanarchy: read my last post ;)
725 2011-04-04 16:13:20 <ArtForz> yeah, hopefully 11.4 will support it
726 2011-04-04 16:13:20 <BlueMatt> grbgout: yea, shame
727 2011-04-04 16:13:44 <grbgout> BlueMatt: indeed.  I understand their misunderstanding though: it's an old surgeprotector, and is rather bulky. hah.
728 2011-04-04 16:14:24 <ArtForz> SDK 2.3/2.4 should already support 6990, so it's only a matter of driver
729 2011-04-04 16:14:41 <grbgout> Does anyone in here use the RPC Cuda miner?
730 2011-04-04 16:15:44 <BlueMatt> hah, yea
731 2011-04-04 16:16:35 <lfm> I use puddinpop's OpenCL miner on my nvidia
732 2011-04-04 16:17:21 <grbgout> lfm: have you tried the CUDA variation?  I've tried compiling it, but it's breaking on the .cl file, and I was wondering if there's some dependency I'm missing.  Is it enough to only have the nvidia-drivers installed, or should I be grabbing the (cuda) SDK as well?
733 2011-04-04 16:18:03 <lfm> I never tried but I`d think you would need the sdk
734 2011-04-04 16:18:13 <grbgout> hmm, k
735 2011-04-04 16:18:40 <grbgout> Have you compared puddin's OpenCL miner performance to m0mchil's poclbm?
736 2011-04-04 16:19:14 <bitanarchy> BlueMatt: I have this auto perform command in chatzilla: <slash> msg NickServ identify
737 2011-04-04 16:19:40 <BlueMatt> grbgout: cant get it to link with cuda libs for some reason on ubuntu
738 2011-04-04 16:19:46 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,stats
739 2011-04-04 16:19:48 <gribble> Current Blocks: 116705 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 222 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 5 hours, 47 minutes, and 6 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 80699.38107138
740 2011-04-04 16:19:53 <BlueMatt> bitanarchy: not sure in chatzilla, but there should be a way to get it to wait before joining